Top White House Staffers Pocket $4,200 Raise, Fight $2 Minimum Wage Increase
Top White House Staffers Pocket $4,200 Raise, Fight $2 Minimum Wage Increase
This year the highest paid staffers in the White House – including Karl Rove, Dan Bartlett and Steven Hadley – got a cost-of-living adjustment of $4,200, boosting their total salary to $165,200.
Meanwhile, the White House is backing Congressional efforts to beat back a modest increase in the minimum wage for the lowest paid Americans for the first time since 1997. Here’s a press release issued today by Rep. George Miller (D-CA):
For the fifth time in less than two weeks, Republicans in the House of Representatives today voted to block a vote on legislation to increase the national minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 per hour…
A full-time minimum wage worker earns just $10,712 per year - which is $5,888 less than the $16,600 needed to lift a family of three above the federal poverty threshold…the minimum wage is at its lowest level in more than 50 years, when adjusted for inflation. Congress has not raised the federal minimum wage since 1997.
The good news is, after a hard day making sure that the working poor don’t get a pay increase, Karl Rove will have some extra cash for a nice dinner and a foot massage.
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Consider it incentive to work harder and get a job above minimum wage.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:18 pmThen who will flip your burgers Sponge Bob?
July 11th, 2006 at 3:19 pmI wonder how far $10,712 a year gets you in Norway?
July 11th, 2006 at 3:21 pmI know you won't get my message, so I'll just spell it out. We need people to do all kinds of jobs. If everyone were doctors, lawyers and computer programmers who would empty garbage cans, change lightbulbs and flip burgers?
Because these people provide a service to our communitites, they should be paid a wage they can live on.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:22 pmJudd,
You're not insinuating that giving a pay raise for a select few has the same implications for the country as does raising the minimum wage $2, are you? Sure hope not.
I agree that Congress and the White House should not be getting pay raises, but believing that a $2 hike in the minimum wage will be all roses and glory is not factually supported.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:27 pmNever in a million years would they get away with this if it weren't for immigrants.
White low wage workers would rise up against these hell bound sinners.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:30 pmNobody should work full time and still struggle to survive or have their kids go hungry.
Unrestrained capitalism does not work. There is a growing gap between the rich and the poor. Soon there will be no middle class and I'm pretty sure I know which side of the stick I'll be getting----THE SHIT END
July 11th, 2006 at 3:30 pmSeixon,
July 11th, 2006 at 3:31 pmYou need to mind your own.
"I know you won’t get my message, so I’ll just spell it out. We need people to do all kinds of jobs. If everyone were doctors, lawyers and computer programmers who would empty garbage cans, change lightbulbs and flip burgers?"
And if you pay everyone the same or similar wages, whats the point of going thru all the effort to be a doctor, when the burger flippers job is so much easier and less stressed?
July 11th, 2006 at 3:32 pmSince it isn't roses and glory, they still shouldn't get it? I guess those corporations can't afford a pay raise. Or is it, since the taxpayers are the ones flipping the bill for the administration's salaries, no biggie.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:32 pmThe raise was about 2.5%, which is pretty crappy if you ask me.
Not saying the minimum wage shouldn't be increased, I'm all for it. But let's not make a big deal about Rove's cost of living raise.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:35 pmFor the working poor this is unjust
Even if you add the minimum wage annual salary of $10,712 to Rove's $4200 raise and you STILL fall short of the poverty line by $1688.00 or $140/month......
In one fell swoop Rove et al receive 40 PERCENT of the annual salary of a person living at the minimum wage....
It would be like someone getting $64000 in one lump sum based on Rove's current salary....
Unjust .....
July 11th, 2006 at 3:36 pmI agree that Congress and the White House should not be getting pay raises, but believing that a $2 hike in the minimum wage will be all roses and glory is not factually supported.
Comment by Seixon — July 11, 2006 @ 3:27 pm
Also not factually supported is your claim that Judd believes that a $2 hike in the minimum wage would be all roses and glory
And if you pay everyone the same or similar wages, whats the point of going thru all the effort to be a doctor, when the burger flippers job is so much easier and less stressed?
Comment by squegeeboo — July 11, 2006 @ 3:32 pm
Good one! You think if we raise the minimum wage a couple of dollars, those making minimum wage will be making as much as doctors and lawyers?
July 11th, 2006 at 3:38 pmSqueeg,
July 11th, 2006 at 3:38 pmWhere in the heck has anyone said mininum wage should be at a level a doctor makes. Jesus that is the worst straw man attempt I have seen in a while. You are getting rusty. Mininum wage should be set at a level that doesn't put you in poverty. It is not there at the moment. That is the discussion.
And if you pay everyone the same or similar wages
Comment by squegeeboo — July 11, 2006 @ 3:32 pm
Stop being ridiculous. Nobody said "the same wages".
At $7.25 and hour do you know how many hours a day you'd have to work to make a $165,200 yearly salary? 63.
We're talking about not giving CEOs $400 million yearly salaries so we can raise the minimum wage by a couple of dollars. They (CEOs) have survived at less before. In fact, the CEO and founder of Whole Foods Markets has capped his own salary at $400K a year, even though he is worth a few million. He also pays his workers higher than the average grocery store workers, gives healthcare and lets them have a say in running the store. Not only has it NOT ruined his business, but it has increased is profits and had a very positive impact on the economy - as organic foods are in greater demand. And regular grocery chains are partly emulating Whole Foods as a result of their success.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:40 pm"Mininum wage should be set at a level that doesn’t put you in poverty. It is not there at the moment."
The only people I have ever met who are on minimum wage for more then 3 months when starting a new job are HS students or people so incompetant they should count themselves lucky that someone felt enough pity to hire them. Anyone who is stuck on minimum wage while trying to raise a family of 3 is where they are due to poor work ethic/decisions in life.
And yes, it was a bit of a strawman, thanks for noticing.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:42 pm"At $7.25 and hour do you know how many hours a day you’d have to work to make a $165,200 yearly salary? 63."
You show a willingness to work 63 hours a day, or even a realistic number like 10-12, and within a year or two your 7.25 becomes 10.00, keep your dedication, make the right career choices, and when you retire you might not be at 165k a year, but you'll be doing well enough to get buy and provide for your family wonderfully.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:44 pmeven if they do pass "minimum" wage hikes...they'll take it back with inflatio
Don't you know thgis country was built on the backs of the poor and continues to survive because it oppresses so many in poverty?
How could rich people possibly have five or six houses when 70 thousand people in L.A. are homeless?
How can they just flood poor people out of their homes to make way for a haven for rich white folk?
Simple. To have wealth you have to exchange your soul.
Jesus was right.
You can't serve God and mammon.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:46 pmOne other thing... I worked for McDonald's when I was 16. It's not a stress-free job. For one, unlike your job, SpongeBob, there is not one free minute to surf the net while being paid... And you are worked like a horse. Even at 16 I used to leave that job exhausted and covered in grease. No wonder I'm now a health food nut...
July 11th, 2006 at 3:46 pmAlso, its only 62.5ish by my math, not 63, why must you hippies always resort to gross distortions of the truth?
July 11th, 2006 at 3:47 pm#17
Dipshit, I'm a woman.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:48 pmSheesh Squeege,
July 11th, 2006 at 3:48 pmWe're not at $7.25 per hour yet! Let's get that done, then you can make your argument.
"For one, unlike your job, SpongeBob, there is not one free minute to surf the net while being paid… "
July 11th, 2006 at 3:48 pmFrom the woman who was watching movies instead of teaching her class? I seem to remeber something about glass houses and making comments :)
Back to the thread squeezypoo. Don't you find it the least bit distastful that the same people who can write themselves a raise are denying others a much less of a raise?
July 11th, 2006 at 3:51 pmAn increase from $5.15 to $7.25 is $2.10 per hour.
Multiply that by 40 hours per week and by 50 weeks per year and you get $4,200, which is exactly the salary increase received by the White House officials.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:52 pmSomebody has to pay them for leaking stories to the newspapers
July 11th, 2006 at 3:52 pmre: the comment about knowing people on min. wage for only a short time. That may be the case, but it is a base salary from which salary increases are made. For example: if someone starts in a min. wage position & after six months are given a wage increase, that increase will be more if the starting point is higher. 3% of $7.25 is more than 3% or $5.15. Increasing the min. wage raises the base level salaries for a lot of people. I hope you get my point. I'm sure others can state it more clearly.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:52 pmGee, and I thought the minimum wage was a baseline for all wages.
"Wow, son, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps." says the Troll.
It's so easy to minimize those who have to start (over) at minimum wage because they "(made) poor work ethic/decisions in life". Even if that were 100% true, the argument is STILL that they deserve to have a livable wage. Your utter lack of compassion has added nothing except disgust.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:53 pmAlso, its only 62.5ish by my math, not 63, why must you hippies always resort to gross distortions of the truth?
Comment by squegeeboo — July 11, 2006 @ 3:47 pm
Actually, that's if you work 365 days a year... no one does that.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:53 pmComment by justanobserver — July 11, 2006 @ 3:51 pm
That is what I was thinking. Just because congress and others did not receive tens of thousands of dollars in raises, they still received a raise.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:53 pm"Don’t you find it the least bit distastful that the same people who can write themselves a raise are denying others a much less of a raise?"
Explain how they're denying anyone a raise? It's a minimum not a maximum.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:54 pm"believing that a $2 hike in the minimum wage will be all roses and glory is not factually supported."
Comment by Seixon
I think it depends on what your definition of "roses and glory" is. If you are getting minimum wage and your wage goes from $5.15 to $7.25, then I would think that you would then be able buy a rose or two more than before! $4,200 raise for White House staffers won't affect those staffers near as much as $2.15 would for minimum wagers.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:55 pm#26 Wow,
July 11th, 2006 at 3:55 pmThat's sickening. What, incredible, callous schmucks.
Well then according to some intellectuals here the minimum wage would be too high if set at 7.25. So what do you think of 5.15? Should we get rid of the minimum wage all together? I mean if you can't work your way up from $1.00 an hour you are a pathetic, lazy bump on society's arse. The logic behind not keeping American citizens out of poverty and healthy escapes me but then again I didn't eat lead paint as a young child either.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:55 pm"Explain how they’re denying anyone a raise?"
You don't understand this?
July 11th, 2006 at 3:56 pmFrom the woman who was watching movies instead of teaching her class? I seem to remeber something about glass houses and making comments :)
Comment by squegeeboo — July 11, 2006 @ 3:48 pm
Just the last few days of the year. But go ahead and exaggerate it like everything else you do... :)
July 11th, 2006 at 3:57 pm# 17. unbelievable:
And I thougt you were a vegetarian.tsk.tsk.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:57 pmAnd I thougt you were a vegetarian.tsk.tsk.
Comment by Si Byl — July 11, 2006 @ 3:57 pm
I'll make sure to let Judd know it was you again.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:01 pmComment by marblex,
July 11th, 2006 at 4:01 pmHeard a nice quote the other day about how in the Netherlands, flood control is a matter of National Security. Whereas in America it's an issue to be stuck and forgotten about it commitee.
Robert Reich was on NPR about a week ago and was saying that is congress would raise the minimum wage by $2.00...graduating it over two years (or something to that effect), and then tie future increases to inflation as is done with social security, this would no longer be a political issue and would help in the reduction of poverty.
Too bad we do not have any republicans who will listen.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:01 pm# 20:
O.M.G.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:04 pmAgain with the McDonalds' stories.
Do tell us more,please.
"Ever heard of a broken condom?"
Ever heard of personal responsibility?
"Limited intelligence?
Thats why abortion is legal isn't it?
"Injury?"
Thats a discussion for universal health care not minimum wage.
"“Explain how they’re denying anyone a raise?â€
You don’t understand this? "
Apparently you don't.
"Just the last few days of the year. But go ahead and exaggerate it like everything else you do… :)"
Already did.
"Should we get rid of the minimum wage all together? "
Yes
"The logic behind not keeping American citizens out of poverty and healthy escapes me but then again"
It shouldn't be the gov'ts job. Their not hear to hold our hand thru life.
"I didn’t eat lead paint as a young child either."
July 11th, 2006 at 4:08 pmYou must not have tried the right colors, I prefer green myself.
We wouldn't NEED a minimum wage if Trickle Down Theory actually worked... Or if greedy pigs cared about other people.
Minimum Wage has not gotten a cost of living increase in 13 years. So why should the elected thugs running our country into the ground? Especially when people who change light bilbs and mop floors are providing a better service than our public servants...
There is only so much money to be shared. No one NEEDS $4 million dollars a year in salary - especially when that is taken at the expense of someone else's ability to eat.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:09 pm#32 it is a baseline and not the maximum. Never disagreed there. It's also a baseline that hasn't moved for some time. What has gone up is everything else. Congress denied the increase yet again. I used the wrong terminology when I said "raise" and I stand corrected.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:11 pmAttention Judd or administration:
If I wrote # 17 as accused,then please delete everything I've written on this thread as proof.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:13 pmI dare the neocons here to go to http://www.congress.org and read the letters people write to Bush about having to choose between enough food to eat and putting gas in their car to get to work. Working people should not have to choose between food and getting to work.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:13 pmA travesty! Everyone knows that Liberals will work for free, but then you get what you pay for or you get paid what your worth ;-)
July 11th, 2006 at 4:14 pmYou must not have tried the right colors, I prefer green myself.
Comment by squegeeboo — July 11, 2006 @ 4:08 pm
Obviously... :)
July 11th, 2006 at 4:14 pm[...] Think Progress has an interesting post up about the White House staffers getting a raise while at the same time opposing an increase on the minimum wage: This year the highest paid staffers in the White House – including Karl Rove, Dan Bartlett and Steven Hadley – got a cost-of-living adjustment of $4,200, boosting their total salary to $165,200. [...]
July 11th, 2006 at 4:15 pmRRS,
You must be paying people to hire you then...
July 11th, 2006 at 4:16 pmUnbelievable, yes I do find your comment "unbelievable" since someone in that situation would qualify for food stamps and would not have to make that choice. But you go right ahead and believe everything you read on the internet.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:18 pmRRS is retired. Living off retirement funds, soc sec. and the like. Those nice democratic implemented services paying off now huh?
July 11th, 2006 at 4:19 pmLOL justanobserver, I am retired from the military and since I have four kids to feed and educate I still have to work until my youngest is off to college (military retirement aint). And I think that IRAs and the like were created during the Reagan Presidency, but go ahead and check me on that one. OTH I would not make a blanket statement that ALL liberal ideas are wrong, but I think they are slow to admit when something isn’t working and think that throwing more money at it will solve the problem.
P.S. Unbelievable, a very pithy comment, better go rest you brain.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:28 pmConsider it, the senate, as an incentive to work less and can give yourself a raise, so what if you told the people you believe in freedom and equality and all that brotherhood crap.
Don't you know us Gooper crooks, don't believe what they spout?
Comment by squegeeboo — July 11, 2006 @ 3:18 pm
I agree squishypoop
July 11th, 2006 at 4:28 pmsomeone in that situation would qualify for food stamps and would not have to make that choice. But you go right ahead and believe everything you read on the internet.
Comment by Retired Republican Soldier — July 11, 2006 @ 4:18 pm
Not everyone in that situation qualifies.
People have written letters to Bush... They were just posted online for others to read... silly little boy. I knew you were too cowardly and perhaps lazy to bother to check it out.
But don't let that stop you from listening to everything FAUX news tells you.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:28 pm[...] White House Staffers Pocket $4,200 Raise, Fight $2 Minimum Wage Increase [...]
July 11th, 2006 at 4:28 pm#54 RRS,
July 11th, 2006 at 4:28 pmStupid logic, thankfully retired, barely able to contribute to society because he's only looking out for himself - is unaware that above certain income levels, you can't qualify for food stamps, and even then, you might not be making enough money to DECIDE between food, rent, or gasoline.
Until you've used a "Food Stamp", please refrain from commenting about them.
P.S. Unbelievable, a very pithy comment, better go rest you brain.
Comment by Retired Republican Soldier — July 11, 2006 @ 4:28 pm
At least I have one Oscar the Grouch.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:29 pmCo-winky-dink?
$2.10 per hour (the proposed minimum wage increase) X 40 hours a week X 50 weeks a year = $4,200.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:32 pm"Not everyone in that situation qualifies."
Enough do that I'm not that upset when a few slip thru the cracks.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:33 pmAhem... there are 52 weks in a year...
July 11th, 2006 at 4:34 pmEnough do that I’m not that upset when a few slip thru the cracks.
Comment by squegeeboo — July 11, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
That's because you don't care about anyone but yourself.
It's a lot more than a few by the way...
July 11th, 2006 at 4:36 pm#54 - RRS
Ah, the good life -- on food stamps. Nevermind, then...
July 11th, 2006 at 4:36 pmMinimum wager lucky ducks don't get paid vacations.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:39 pm57. Thank you for your service to our country. As for your comment that it's liberals who are slow to change and continually throw money at the problem, that's exactly what has been going on with the war in Iraq. No bid contracts that are grossly over budget. 200 billion in emergency spending when we are in the 4th year of war. These are solidly from the current administration, not some liberal. These guys have created a bigger gov't than any democrat ever has. Tax cuts, huge deficit spending, depleting military surplus to add to no minimum wage increase. These guys want it all but complain bitterly when it's being shown the emperor has no close.
Thank you again for your service to our country.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:40 pmWhite House Swells Loaded With Cash Fight Minimum Wage Increase For Average Folks...
"This year the highest paid staffers in the White House - including Karl Rove, Dan......
July 11th, 2006 at 4:42 pmI agree that Congress and the White House should not be getting pay raises, but believing that a $2 hike in the minimum wage will be all roses and glory is not factually supported.
Comment by Seixon — July 11, 2006 @ 3:27 pm
Congress should not get a raise -I agree.
but believing that a $2 hike in the minimum wage will be all roses and glory is not *factually supported.
sure it can;
July 11th, 2006 at 4:44 pmin such a case, a raise in the min wage may 'unstick' the market in such a way as to provide a net benefit to workers that is greater than the cost to employers.
There was that one study which compared fast food employment in NJ to PA (just over the border) when NJ raised its wage and found that employment actually increased... Something that "shouldn't" have happened.
http://www.childrensdefense.org/familyincome/jobs/minimumwagereport2005.pdf
so much for econo-myths
Our retiree here says the Democrats are throwing money at the problem. Wow. Me laughing at him and the GOP on that one. What exactly is the GOP's plan, instead of NOT "throwing money" at the minimum wage issue ?
Seems the GOP can throw away BILLIONS of unaccounted dollars to Halliburton, foreigners, I mean uh, well, whoever got all that money, but can't stick their hand in the sofa cushions for a couple dimes for our own people.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:44 pm"Minimum wager lucky ducks don’t get paid vacations."
So why are they taking any then? Anouther example of the bad choices that keep them there.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:47 pmThere is no evidence of job loss from the last minimum wage increase. ..
http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/issueguides_minwage_minwagefacts
I would venture, seixon, that the price of fuel has done more to raise the cost of goods and services than min wage increases.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:49 pm74: Oh another assumption. Yeah, everybody takes vacations to Vegas or Aruba. How about to spend time with their family ? Or to spend money so GWB can take credit for his tax cuts to the rich ? What exactly are you contributing to this discussion ?
July 11th, 2006 at 4:51 pmSo why are they taking any then? Anouther example of the bad choices that keep them there.
Yeh imagine a family that wants to spend some time together, maybe visit some relatives, travel the country, take the kids camping, see the statue of liberty....
July 11th, 2006 at 4:53 pmExcuse me folks but when I was growing up people who had cars were rich and I still think of them that way. I walk to a bus stop every morning and take about an hour long ride to work each day. I do drive sometimes but it is more economical to use public transportation. Now if someone is having to make a choice between gas and food then maybe they need to change thier lifestyle because gas aint coming down in price real soon. Unless you live way out in the wilderness you have access to some sort of public transportation so if you can't afford gas it's time to start using it. Or we could invade a country, take their oil fileds, and sell it cheaply in the U.S. I vote for Venezuela, it's close and according to Hugo, Bush is already planning to invade it.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:53 pmyes, i agree. the minimum wage is much too high! i am suggesting that the congress lowers it to $1.00. this way, the poor will not be able to buy food and will perish in the streets. unemployment will be lower, we will not need all those social programs, and people will still buy my books!!! YAY!!!
this will also solve the immigrant problem...if the wages here are lower than there, then why bother coming?
i want the poor in this country eliminated because i am compassionate. a 80 cent to one dollar minimum wage would be great!
i also want a maximum wage for all people of color of $1.70. that will solve lots of problems too...
kisses,
ann
July 11th, 2006 at 4:54 pm"How about to spend time with their family ?"
If there doing as badly as you all seem to think, I would expect them to put feeding their family above spending time with their family on the priority tree.
"Or to spend money so GWB can take credit for his tax cuts to the rich ?"
July 11th, 2006 at 4:55 pmBecause you need time off to shop?
seixon isn't royal dutch shell a norwegian company?
July 11th, 2006 at 4:56 pm"travel the country, take the kids camping,"
Where do they have money to do any of this? They are only making 10,712 a year, they can't afford a vacation, that is unless the circumstances surrounding them aren’t as dire as its being made out to be, in which case, they don't need a gov't mandated raise.
July 11th, 2006 at 4:58 pmWhere do they have money to do any of this?
Bingo We have a WEINER here folks!!
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July 11th, 2006 at 5:00 pmso seixon do you think we should bring the oil under the control of the people? That would stop alot of this price gouging, and the united states could be a welfare state just like Norway!
81: Yes, time off to go buy food, clothes, etc. Unless those minimum wage jobs let you go do that on the company time.
The point has been made numerous times here that minimum wage isn't enough to survive. So that means more than 1 job. So maybe "they" should give up their sleep time. And I'm sure RRS doesn't want those sleepy poor people driving around him, so they can sleep on the bus.
Does that sound about right to you ?
July 11th, 2006 at 5:00 pm"Where do they have money to do any of this?
Bingo We have a WEINER here folks!!"
So the gov't should force empoyeers to pay enough for people to take vacations? Didn't know you were such a fan of big brother.
Any who, works done for the day, peace
July 11th, 2006 at 5:02 pmThey are only making 10,712 a year, they can’t afford a vacation,
Bingo!
July 11th, 2006 at 5:02 pmAnd they can't afford college for their kids either can they?
Nor an education for themselves.
Cool Breeze: You nailed it. That's exactly what the GOP wants. They are the "haves" and the "have more" crowd and want to keep it that way.
July 11th, 2006 at 5:07 pmSomeone is using my name and writing a lot of nonsense I would never say.
I’m guessing Sybil or Seixon. They are the two least mature trolls going.
TP are you going to do anything about this?
July 11th, 2006 at 5:12 pmThank you TP.
July 11th, 2006 at 5:16 pmThe point, of course, was that the amount of this wage increase is the same as what minimum wage earners would get in a comparable year. And of course they can't afford to take any vacation, while those extra 80 hours at 5.15 don't make much difference.
Also, WH staffers can be sure to get COLA increases pretty much every year, whereas min-wagers get a partial one every ten years or so, if the GOP misers feel like it. Bah humbug!
July 11th, 2006 at 5:17 pmWhat job can you think of that is 5 times harder than another job? or even 4, maybe even three.
July 11th, 2006 at 5:22 pmThere is something to be said for supply and demand, but there has to be a reasonable relation. Correct me if you don't agree, but if a full time lawyer makes twice as much as a full time burger flipper and he gets to spend his days doing what he enjoys, don't you think thats good enough? But the fact is, in reality a top lawyer would probably make on the scale of 10x a burger flipper. Does a few years of law school/college make a person 10x as hardworking/valuable?
What job can you think of that is 5 times harder than another job? or even 4, maybe even three.
July 11th, 2006 at 5:22 pmThere is something to be said for supply and demand, but there has to be a reasonable relation. Correct me if you don't agree, but if a full time lawyer makes twice as much as a full time burger flipper and he gets to spend his days doing what he enjoys, don't you think thats good enough? But the fact is, in reality a top lawyer would probably make on the scale of 10x a burger flipper. Does a few years of law school/college make a person 10x as hardworking/valuable?
Cool Breeze, I went to college and I had no money. There are hundreds of ways to finance college and the less you have the more help you will get. Nobody can say they didn't go to college becuase of money, becuase they can if they really have a mind to. Yes YOU may have to pay for some of it, YOU may have to take out loans, and maybe you won't finish in four years but you can go to and finish college. Also that last time I checked there were no signs saying blacks, browns, yellows, greens, or purples need not apply so it isn't a racial thing getting into college. Hell I have a daughter who is learning disabled who is taking regular college level course and passing them.
July 11th, 2006 at 5:32 pmRRS,
Don't forget. Times are different now. The Bush Regime has CUT funding for college, including student loans... You can't compare scenarios from the 1890s when you went to college with the present times. Would be like saying "A house cost $1400 in 1956, so anyone who says in 2006 that they can't afford one is just making up excuses and is lazy." Try hard to find a better argument.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:06 pmCool Breeze, I went to college and I had no money. There are hundreds of ways to finance college and the less you have the more help you will get. Nobody can say they didn’t go to college becuase of money, becuase they can if they really have a mind to. Yes YOU may have to pay for some of it, YOU may have to take out loans
I have a career.
So you mean a government loan then?
So you have to get a loan to go to college?
Then you had money.
But why should you have to get a loan in the first place?
Doesn't that just make people more dependent on the government loans?
I talk to alot of of folks every day who can't even afford their prescription drugs..some don't eat so they can get meds.
But these retired folks should get a min wage job?
July 11th, 2006 at 6:30 pmGet on welfare?
The Norwegian economy is a prosperous bastion of welfare capitalism
The government controls key areas such as the vital petroleum sector (through large-scale state enterprises). The country is highly dependent on its oil production and international oil prices, with oil and gas accounting for one-third of exports.
[[No wonder Seixon sees high gas prices as good, we support the welfare state of Norway]]
Norwegians worry about that time in the next two decades when the oil and gas will begin to run out; accordingly, Norway has been saving its oil-boosted budget surpluses in a Government Petroleum Fund, which is invested abroad and now is valued at more than $150 billion
I think it's time to boycott Royal Dutch Shell.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:33 pmLet's see if seixon can eat crude oil.
Nobody can say they didn’t go to college becuase of money.
But many people went and joined the service so they could attend college tuition...when they could have just gotten a loan?
why is that?
Think about it.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:37 pmCool Breeze,
I would rather have my money going to a group of pacifist, athiest, socialist, then too a bunch of religious fanatics bent on destroying anyone who disagrees.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:38 pmNo pay raise for members of Congress until the incomes of average Americans start to rise again.
The public can't affect who gets paid what at the White House, but we can make it very unhealthy for any Dem who accepts the automatic pay hike scheduled for next January. Demand that all Dems, House and Senate, incumbents and challengers, refuse any raise until, at the very least, the minimum wage is raised and in effect.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:52 pmDid the trolls for pay, like Seixon, get a raise? Only paid trolls would spend so much time on a Progressive board beating a dead horse.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:44 pmAnn Coulter; Your minimum wage should be 0.10/day! Go hang yourself with your jockstrap.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:46 pmOur public servants should be paid minimum wage. Period.
We did not elect them to enrich them financially. They are supposed to work for us, but knowing this doesn't change history, I guess.
Sleezebags all, and all need to be replaced unless they are for getting out of the entire middle east, unless they are for impeachment of bush and investigating his administration for war crimes charges and convictions (no pardons) and unless they are forcing a re-opening of 9/11 investigations so they are public and complete.
Also, no outside funding for elections. Everyone should be on a level playing field for that.
No more bushes or clintons.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:59 pm...and no money for morons.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:59 pmHas anyone realised that since the last minimum wage increase people on the minimum wage have effectively been having their pay CUT every time inflation increases. It is seriously about time they got a pay rise - the companies paying most of these people can certainly afford it.
July 11th, 2006 at 11:43 pm3 kids or no, $5 for an hour's work is simply pathetic.
and squeegeeboo, you need a kick in the head, we weren't all born with silver spoon firmly wedged up our asses
July 11th, 2006 at 11:44 pmDo any of you realize that the 50% price hike in labor would be immediately accompanied by a 50% hike in the cost of the food? Raising the minimum wage would hurt everyone NOT on minimum wage, which is most of you I would assume.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:38 amIf the minimum wage had been raised 25 cents a year, for the past 8 years, it would be at $7.15 now, so the Congress has caused this problem! Jumping it 2 bucks an hour now could harm small business owners, but nonetheless it has to be raised to keep up with inflation!
July 12th, 2006 at 4:01 amWhere is the same argument for $4.oo /gallon fuel rightards?#104?
Why is a hike in the minimum wage like flushing money down the toilet to rightards instead of putting more money in peoples hands to stimulate the ecomomy?
Was most of the right hatched?( the only explanation for a reptile pea brain)
July 12th, 2006 at 9:34 amIsn't it interesting how this raise for the White House staff (on a per hour basis) is almost equal to the proposed raise for our nations least paid and the White House staff gets it immediately but those currently making minimum wage would have to wait for two years if the increase in minimum wage were to pass to enjoy it's full effect?
July 12th, 2006 at 2:50 pm[...] Top White House Staffers Pocket $4,200 Raise, Fight $2 Minimum Wage Increase [...]
July 13th, 2006 at 12:05 amThe saddest thing about this is that the $2 increase to the minimum wage in no way affects the members of Congress or their paycheck or their raise and would go a long way to appease their constituents, who would be grateful to them. They are hate-filled, mean-spirited people.
July 13th, 2006 at 4:09 pmEcho
Es desafortunado ver cu?ntos comentarios y fija el foro del blog eso en vez de centrarse en lo que dijo alguien las vueltas de la discusi?n en apagado una conversaci?n del asunto sobre nada.
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