Administration To Request Another $110 Billion For Iraq Next Year
Administration To Request Another $110 Billion For Iraq Next Year
Yesterday, the White House released its FY2007 mid-session budget review with great fanfare, celebrating its projection that the deficit will be nearly $300 billion this year.
Buried within the mid-session review, the White House reveals that it will ask Congress for another $110 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan early next year. From the document:
In 2007, to fund the anticipated additional costs of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, this Mid-Session Review assumes an additional $60 billion in budget authority will be needed later in the fiscal year, for a total allowance of $110 billion. This update also provides a $50 billion allowance for a portion of additional costs anticipated in 2008 for the Global War on Terror.
So far, the U.S. government has allocated $311 billion total to support U.S. stabilization and reconstruction efforts in Iraq.
If you add together the amounts already allocated, plus the appropriations expected to be approved this year ($116 billion) and next year, the total spending for Iraq will soon exceed $400 billion.
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remember when carl sagan used numbers like these when talking about stars in the sky?
July 12th, 2006 at 12:22 pmI seem to remember republicans calling Kerry and Edwards liars for saying this war could cost over $300 billion.
July 12th, 2006 at 1:22 pmDemocracy is expensive, eh?
Heck of a job, Bushy! Heck of a job!!!
July 12th, 2006 at 1:25 pmOK,
so why can’t we have a law that says:
If I don’t agree with the war, I DON’T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
July 12th, 2006 at 1:26 pmand give me back my tax money that has gone to fund this war
Where is Seixon ranting for these numbers to be adjusted for inflation?
July 12th, 2006 at 1:28 pmAlso,
I didn’t ask for this war, and it sure as hell isn’t protecting me. On the contrary, it is making me less safe.
So why should I pay for a republican/haliburton wet dream.
Let the Republicans pay for this war, since they think it’s the greatest thing ever.
July 12th, 2006 at 1:29 pmNot only should we let ReichWingNuts pay for this war, we should recruit their children to go fight, er, keep the peace?, in Iraq too!
July 12th, 2006 at 1:32 pm- diet:
Seixon hasn’t shown his face all day….mabye it’s some sort or Norwegian holiday…
…or mabye it has something to do with this. ^_^
July 12th, 2006 at 1:32 pmIf you add together the amounts already allocated, plus the appropriations expected to be approved this year ($116 billion) and next year, the total spending for Iraq will soon exceed $400 billion.
Let’s do a quick math…
$400,000,000,000 / 290,000,000 USA people ~= $1379
And why was it impossible to raise $2 the minimum wage? Inflation? Maybe expending 400 bilion dollars of the Federal treasury in another country doesn’t contribute to inflation?
July 12th, 2006 at 1:34 pmBill Gant,
They are going to get every dime and every Democratic approval.
The Democrats either
1. Support the war (still).
2. or are too stupid to deal with potential election attack ads.
Viva the Islamic Republic of Iraq!
July 12th, 2006 at 1:35 pmthe Iraqi Money Pit
July 12th, 2006 at 1:38 pmhey! thanks for posting that Faiz!
thought i was having hallucinations ;-)
it does look better, more important, all colored up!
July 12th, 2006 at 1:38 pmBut what does that have to do with my tax dollars ???
Why do I have to pay for Cheney’s wet dream ???
let the people who want him in office, and share the same wet dream, pay for it.
July 12th, 2006 at 1:40 pmremember when carl sagan used numbers like these when talking about stars in the sky?
July 12th, 2006 at 1:43 pmComment by katy — July 12, 2006 @ 12:22 pm
ha ha. NIce one.
#10
both. there is NOT a fight for freedom, democracy. IT IS POWER. plain and simple. and we have a israel (zionist) rothchild that wants to rule the world. and we have the bushco (nazis) that want the piece of the pie. and folks they are just about to chant mission accomplished.
come on now if the u.s. really wanted to stabilize the middle east they could. but that would not fit into their grand scheme of things. like ethnic cleansing, civil war. depopulation of countries that don’t have ‘our interests’. what a sic f. world we live in.
July 12th, 2006 at 1:44 pmi keep saying this and it is so true.
the geneveses vs. corleones. dem. repub. it is ALL the same.
July 12th, 2006 at 1:48 pmDems said yesterday that the track we are on will have us at an $11.3 TRILLION National Debt Level by 2011.
In Dec. 2005 we hit $8.1 Trillion which is nearly six times the amount of United States currency in circulation (wikipedia). This is up from $5.8 Trillion in 2001.
There is no reversal of this upward debt trend in sight. Especially with permanent tax cuts on the horizon and a plethora of baby boomers that are about to retire.
…so… at what point does the whole house of cards come tumbling down and our currency spirals out of control? It could never happen here right? If we continue to borrow money in the manner that we have been (and continue to), I am positive that we will get our credit cut-off/cut down at some point. Not to mention the fact that if we are ever to pay this money back, the money will be pulled out of this country and sent to our creditors in foreign nations *with interest.
I wonder if you can place a bet in Vegas as to just when the shit will hit the fan, with this administration, the odds have to be in the player’s favor.
July 12th, 2006 at 1:48 pmThe Wacko Dance or as others call this odd display of rhetoric , fanatical, methamphetamine driven, arm waving and grandstanding spewage of hate: “Hitler with tits”
July 12th, 2006 at 1:50 pmmmmm, i’m pretty hot in that, aren’t i?
thanks, cool breeze… :)
kisses,
ann
July 12th, 2006 at 1:52 pmhey, you godless tp’ers deleted my post!!!!
how dare you?
i have said nothing in the post that i have not said on fox and friends–well, maybe i added a bit about lowering the minimum wage to $1.90 for white people and $1.00 for non-whites, but, is that such a bad idea??? and, i use the term ‘towel-head’ in public, why can’t i here??? and, i hate the godless, so why can’t i say ‘kill the godless’???
geez, lighten up people!
kisses,
ann
July 12th, 2006 at 1:56 pmOK…so, lets do some math:
311 billion = 2543 dead soldiers, 18490 injured soldiers, 38960 iraqis civilians dead.
So, this new budget means:
July 12th, 2006 at 1:57 pm116 billion = 948.5 dead soldiers, 6896.6 injured soldiers, 14531 iraqis civilians dead, plus 2 or 3 rapes depending on marine´s mood.
Not bad numbers.
So, it is crystal clear. Stay the course!
we will have more money to pay for the genocide of the islamic vermin…
Now Folks here is a great Idea..We folks, and this is fact, If we were to drop anne coulter in the center of the mad mulllah party..as in gilgamesh, we drop this screeching harlot right into the mullahs den..I know this sounds awful folks but it isn’t..when the harlot offers herself unto the mad mullahs and they engage in intercourse..the mullahs will be assimilated..folks for the good of mankind, we must send anne into Iraq with a purse full of condoms!! We need your support and your money to make this possible..send your money to Manne for Mullahs..PO BOX 666
July 12th, 2006 at 1:58 pmYes anne is a hottie and we need hotties in Iraq to soothe the mad mullahs!
July 12th, 2006 at 1:59 pmThank God we all have insurance. It’d be a shame if our nations children and elderly were left to fend for themselves.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:00 pmso back to the thread, I see that the Army did not renew the contract with halliburton for reconstruction.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:03 pmwhere will this 110 billion go?
has rummy spent what he has yet or is he still stockpiling cash and asking for more?
mmm, cool breeze, you are hot! i like your idea, and thank you so much for quoting my deleted post before tp did so…
we will have more money to pay for the genocide of the islamic vermin…
i’ll go and infect the islamists, but, only if i can bring michelle and that rather large ugly blonde woman from california…the one on fox all the time, she shares the initials with ms m. malkin, but, i don’t know her name.
and, i go bare-back, baby!
kisses,
ann
July 12th, 2006 at 2:04 pmA caller on Ed Schultz said yesterday that he didn’t want his tax dollars spent on stem cell research because it conflicted with his religious beliefs. Well I don’t want my tax dollars spent on this horrible war/occupation as IT conflicts with my religious beliefs.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:05 pmdoes anyone know if the $110 billion includes our support of isreal in their impending invasion of syria and lebananon? does it include the destruction of the palestinians, or will that be some sort of ‘emergency’ funding?
just curious.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:06 pmI may not have insurance, but I have directions to the WH and I’m sure they would help me if this taxpayer of 40 years needed it. Right? Right? There’s enough money in the treasury to spill like stars in the skies on “helping” Iraq, there’s enough to treat the sick here too, right? Right?
July 12th, 2006 at 2:09 pm#16: I don’t dispute that there are a lot of people who think this is true, but I strongly disagree.
Democrats generally agree that a timetable should be set for withdrawal from Iraq. Republicans generally support “stay the course.”
Democrats support an increase in the federal minimum wage. Republicans don’t.
Republicans support making tax cuts for the rich permanent. Democrats don’t.
Republicans think a constitutional amendment to stop flag-burning is most most important thing the Congress could be doing. Democrats don’t.
These are real difference, with real-world implications. To pretend that there is no difference between the parties encourages people not to vote or get involved in political campaigns, which in turn prevents any change from happening.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:09 pmNo, we pay a seperate $10 Billion a year to Israel, and then they tell us to go f**k ourselves when we try to pressure policy change
July 12th, 2006 at 2:11 pmEd Schultz said yesterday that he didn’t want his tax dollars spent on stem cell research because it conflicted with his religious belief, instead Shulz said and he wanted to spend it on viagra and a trip to Cuba with Rush Limbaugh
July 12th, 2006 at 2:12 pmNot to mention that the money going for the Iraq occupation is off the books, they only use supplemental budgeting and emergency allocations to get the billions.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:12 pm#28
i’m sure it is all of the above but won’t be mentioned until it’s leaked!!!!!
and remember we borrowed 65% of money loaned in the world. so that makes us PO’, PO’, really PO’!!!!
July 12th, 2006 at 2:14 pm#31
but, i don’t think ten billion dollars a year to isreal is sufficient. they have to wipe the palestinian menace off the map, and now have to blow up lebanon and, well, will probably have to give us a hand invading syria, no?
can we write to someone to get the $110 raised so that we can give israel more money to kill more of the vermin???
write your congressmen, folks! more money for israel!
July 12th, 2006 at 2:15 pmNo, we pay a seperate $10 Billion a year to Israel, and then they tell us to go f**k ourselves when we try to pressure policy change
Then they turn around and sell those brown skinned terrorists a sixty million dollar missile system!
January 27, 2004. Mexico buys missile launchers from Israel. The Mexican Navy announced yesterday that it has bought from Israel two fully operational Aliya …
http://www.aztlan.net/mexico_missiles_israel.htm
A missile system in the hands of the illegals!!
July 12th, 2006 at 2:15 pm$10 billion Compensation for the people our soldiers wrongfully killed.
$100 billion: diddly-squat, that wont even make one ounce of difference in Iraq
July 12th, 2006 at 2:16 pmJames, you are right on target. This is a manipulated conflagration if I have ever seen one, and I’ve been around awhile. All the moves to open up civil war in Palestine, the coverup of the civil war in Iraq, all the moves to invoke violent responses from the Muslims, all the world sliding into the very Chaos that the evilsillicals have been breathlessly anticipating, and all driven by the evilsillical in office.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:18 pmNext time we vote, we should really try to find someone who is not already in a suicide pact with his church.
Then they turn around and sell those brown skinned terrorists a sixty million dollar missile system!
Comment by Cool Breeze — July 12, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
Ejemm…Did you just post a racist comment?
July 12th, 2006 at 2:20 pmYOU HAVE TO KILL THE HEAD OF THE OCTOPUS FOR IT TO DIE AND THAT IS THE ROTHCHILDS.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:21 pmNot to mention James Risser we also support the welfare state of a few countries by purchasing Royal Dutch Shell products, the United States is it’s biggest customer….
I mean, shouldn’t we give the people a min wage increase so we can buy more oil? And more products from Wally World?
We need to pay the Americans more money so we can support the welfare states right? If we paid each American 90,000 a year, just think what a great world we could have.. A Brave New Welfare World!
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Then they turn around and sell those brown skinned terrorists a sixty million dollar missile system!
no juan just imittting the right wing punditry
/snark always on
July 12th, 2006 at 2:22 pm*imitating
July 12th, 2006 at 2:23 pm“the geneveses vs. corleones. dem. repub. it is ALL the same.â€
It’s hard to believe, in this day and age, that anyone could believe this.
although i would correct the metaphor since the genovese family was real and the corleone family was ficitional, or is that part of the metaphor?
the republicans as genovese because they are a crime family, while the corleone family is fictional and only pretencd to be one????
anyway, the two parties show no substantive difference, but, there are some at the fringes of each. however, they both meet in the middle.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:24 pm*imitating
July 12th, 2006 at 2:28 pmComment by Cool Breeze — July 12, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
Uffff! I thought you just have lost it. Thank you. :)
Ed Schultz said yesterday that he didn’t want his tax dollars spent on stem cell research…
Comment by Cool Breeze — July 12, 2006 @ 2:12 pm
um, not sure what that was about, cool…
July 12th, 2006 at 2:30 pmed shultz is on our side… you should listen to him
he has a good show…
The most appalling part of this is that Congress doesn’t fear being fired for giving this money to the Bush Regime for a war based on lies that most Americans oppose.
This is no longer a democracy.
“Let them eat cake” adjusted for inflation, is now “Let them watch people on television eating cake, and pretend it’s them.”
July 12th, 2006 at 2:31 pmBUsh doesn’t care about AMERICA!!! The republican party is going tp bankrupt that country for one reason only, THE NEW DEAL.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:31 pm*imitating
Comment by Cool Breeze — July 12, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
Uffff! I thought you just have lost it. Thank you. :)
my bad=)
I guess I should have put the /snarc on the first post..writing like a wing nut is confusing.. =)
July 12th, 2006 at 2:32 pm#42
if i may answer that one, i don’t think giving poor people more money will solve any problems. all they do with their money is buy drugs, parliament cigarettes, and booze. no, the poor must remain poor… the poor do not buy gasoline because they can’t afford hummers. they are surplusage on our economy.
in fact, the poorer they get, the less of them will be around to bother me…i hate stepping over them on my way to my upper-east-side townhouse… the poorer the poor get, the more they will be forced to join the military! we need bodies.
i’m telling you all, this is really a win-win for this country.
kisses,
ann
July 12th, 2006 at 2:32 pm#39
are you closing your eyes to the fact they all run on differences. and when they get into office it’s all the same. do you still believe the shit that spews out of their mouths. of course there are some differences. otherwise it wouldn’t be repub and dem. but let’s get real. it is all about money and power. the situation in the middle east will be the same. we set guidelines and set policies to follow the zionists (israel) so how is to be different? the dems are up israelis ass also. so tell me the big change when ‘dems’ come into office? minimum wage, $2 lousy dollars. oooooo—it’s $7.15 instead of $5.15. you won’t see it when paying back the national debt, ss, healthcare, food, milk, gas, natural gas. come on. along with all the pork spending that on both sides of the isle have alot of bacon on their plate. please. IT’S CRUNCH TIME THE FOLKS ARE PISSED AT BOTH SIDES AND THERE IS GOING TO BE ALOT OF RHETORIC SPEWED FOR A VOTE.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:34 pm#44
you got it
July 12th, 2006 at 2:35 pm110 Billion for the oil industry’s security, muscle and support systems. All so I can pay double the price for fuel.
I pay for their cost of doing THEIR business and get socked for 100% a price increase with the once good name of America ruined. Little or nothing for the less fortunate of our country,. Corporate welfare and theft!
Hire your own private armys, support systems, fly your own F’ing flags Oil Industry and stop using the American people and their tax dollars.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:36 pm#49
it is a republican trick to quote someone and stop before the ‘,but’…
the two parties show no substantive difference, but, there are some at the fringes of each. however, they both meet in the middle.
i wish there were stronger distinctions, but, look at the leadership of the dems…hillary clinton and harry reid and diane feinstein…look at leiberman, for god’s sake. these people are interchangeable with the non-neoconservatives in the republican party!
there are about fourteen us dem senators that are completely ‘different’ from republicans. but, the rest can go play with themselves in the cloakroom for the good they do. so you have 14 out of 44. not really a substantial, landslide, sort of tilt, is it?
and, for purposes of this thread HOW MANY DEMOCRATS WILL SHOW ANY SPINE AND VOTE AGAINST THE $110 BILLION??? feingold and…. i’m waiting??? tell me.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:39 pm#55
next to none of the dems. fricken wannabes.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:44 pmwow, it’s getting downright dangerous to play the rightwing radical on the internet. =)
but that’s a good thing because it shows that people are tiring of the hyperbole of the punditry and the insanity that our government has come to resemble.
A new deal?
This is a disturbing thought, but alot of signs point in that direction.
/no sarc
July 12th, 2006 at 2:51 pmbitch bitch bitch all you want, but there is only one thing to remember this november:
OVERWHELMING DEMOCRATIC VOTER TURNOUT.
THEY CAN’T STEAL IS IF IT ISN’T CLOSE.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:52 pmLike the Snowman said another dead soldier is just a number…..and so is each dollar of our burgeoning deficit. By the way, Gen Tommie Franks said we dont do body counts in Iraqi, meaning Iraqi citizens. Does the same philosophy apply in the Treasury Dept. where they dont do dollar counts…ha ha .
July 12th, 2006 at 2:52 pmi would like to ask you WHAT is going to be different? let’s not say minimum wage because that is some funny shit. $2 is NOT going to make or break someones pocket. war? difference? no—these pricks didn’t have to vote. and i’m tired of hearing but, waaaaa, waaaaa, but we didn’t understand. bs. flag burning, gay rights and all that other frivolous shit let’s not waste our time on it. all that is is a smoke screen to deter us from the carnage. the difference to me is that the repubs are bold, and arrogant vs the dems which are not as bold and not as arrogant. they just sit back like a bunch of punks and do nothing cuz they stand behind the majority of shit but not as extreme. and that is determinned in how far left they lean and some rock from left to right.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:58 pmBush and Cheney want to bankrupt America to continue the debacle occupation of Iraq! US cannot survive another 2 years of the Bush Regime! They must be impeached ASAP!
July 12th, 2006 at 3:03 pmi don’t think that is what i am saying at all. i am saying that the democratic leadership has gone towards the center and the leadership SHOULD be going to the left. i am saying that i watch cspan2 and listen to democrats and watch the votes, and, on a good day, a GOOD DAY, at most fourteen of the democrats vote substantially different from the other side.
i want 100 just like the 14, and, i am offended that anyone would say i think otherwise; however, there has been nothing stopping the 44 democrats from being a cohesive left-wing BRICK against the repubs, and that has not happened. so, to assume that if you had, after the elections, say, 56 democrats, and only, say, 25 of them vote substantively different, then, i don’t think it is much of a difference.
and, if REID remains the senate leader instead of feingold, durbin or leahy–whom i think is retiring–then, things will NOT MOVE FAR ENOUGH TO THE LEFT QUICKLY ENOUGH.
republicans are the scum of the earth and i am amazed that anyone would suggest i do not believe that, or live that… i hate them with a passion i have never felt for anything non-female!
July 12th, 2006 at 3:08 pmAnother $110 billion? Sure, here ya go. (Good thing it’s not real money.)
July 12th, 2006 at 3:08 pmin other words, show me a party where russ feingold is a centrist or on the right, and i will be happy. if that is the democratic party, then, they have a lot of work to do….
and, if you are right in saying there is such a big difference between the parties at the moment, then, the vote on this $110 billion gift to republican special interests should by 55-45.
are you willing to take bets on that??? if not, then, i suggest you work harder to move your democrats to the LEFT, and, until you do, you have a distinction with much of a difference.
July 12th, 2006 at 3:12 pmhold up. so you must believe this admin is ‘conservative’? if so you are a nazi. these pricks do not know what conservative is let alone spell it. i am neither conserv. or lib. as you all have to claim a side or be part of a group. i am an independent. why would i want to vote for kerry when he sounded bigger and badder than bush about the war. i DO NOT agree with the war period. that would make me someone who stands by their convictions. i did in fact agree with some of his ideology. i believe 9/11 was state sponsored terror at it’s worst. gore would have been nice since i hoped for a some what continuation of clinton. did i ever say that the dems are as corrupt as the repubs, NO. but this is a nazi/zionist controlled government and have been working on this for over 30 years. what do you think the repub party was made up of when it serviced in the u.s.? they sure in the hell couldn’t call it nazi/zionist so they leaned toward the party that best suited them.
and why do i have to be a conservative tool if i DO NOT agree with the dems? so are calling me a traitor for not siding with bushco or a traitor cuz i do not side with the majority? what is so american about you for classifying folks that do not agree with you.
July 12th, 2006 at 3:13 pmThe reality is that not much would change if the Democrats took Congress. Most of the stuff listed on the comment thread here is election-year rhetoric. It’ll go back in the closet for 2yrs after 2006. Always does.
Almost half of Americans don’t pay income taxes these days. That’s why they don’t bother to vote. They don’t have a financial stake in what’s going on, since they don’t pay for it. Yeah, they’re poor but the government takes care of most of their needs, they don’t pay taxes, and they don’t have to think about global warming or anything else.
July 12th, 2006 at 3:24 pmLet’s tell them HELL NO!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2006 at 3:30 pmbluedog 49
i guess the one thing i don’t get is why do you all refer to this adimin as conservative?
and why start pulling out? why not get the f. out. that is if the dems believe this war is illegal, right? bush has been talking about pulling out, so what is the difference. timetable?
stemcell, great. there are repubs that want stem cell. only the fascist dictator and some cronies are stopping that. but the majority of americans want that, so?
dont use ‘i suppose you don’t want to know’ as a excuse, that is a cop out.
checking cargo? the ‘terrorist’ have known forever we do not inspect seaside cargo, under the plane cargo or nuclear facilities. so why haven’t they attacked? it would seem pretty easy wouldn’t it. after all any tom, dick and harry can walk up with a backpack on into any nuclear plant without notice and get head over heels looking at our reactors. the dems had opportunities to do something. after all this has been our ‘enemy’ for years and not missing the fact the gov had plenty opportunities to stop the bombings. afterall our intelligence was telling them. and where are the dems going to get the money for this. they helpled spend it. that is right the dems and raising taxes. with the $2 raise. lol.
July 12th, 2006 at 3:34 pmWho was the guy in the Bush Administration who told Congress, before the war, that it would cost less than $2 billion?
July 12th, 2006 at 3:36 pmThats another 110 billion that agonizing, HIV kids in Africa will never see. Take that, you poor, lazy subsaharians!
July 12th, 2006 at 3:45 pmSo if America gave $100 billion to the scientific community with the imperative to crack the energy problem like they cracked the nuke problem during the 1940s wouldnt we be better off than spending it on Iraq?
July 12th, 2006 at 3:55 pmI here that some of you don’t want to pay for Iraq because you don’t want it. I don’t want Social Security, Medicare, Mediaid, and a large number of other social programs. Does that mean that us Republicans can stop paying for those programs (the ones we don’t want) in return? I would be all for that deal!
As far as your Democrat congress men and women. 95%+ will vote for this Iraq war money. I hope you guys/gals all make sure to not vote for a Democrat this November as they are the ones voting in favor of this war.
July 12th, 2006 at 3:55 pmI hope you guys/gals all make sure to not vote for a Democrat this November as they are the ones voting in favor of this war.
Comment by Gary
That is about where I am at… I dont want to reward democrats that dont have the balls to call a spade a spade. I think I would prefer having Richard Lugar in office again. He at least has shown that he is serious about WMDs in the past and he has not sold out to the Bush family any more than most democrats.
July 12th, 2006 at 4:00 pmI think that is a great idea Gary,
you can pay for the war, the crippling national debt, and the useless government agencies created since 9/11. we will be sure to draft only your kids into the military. In exhcange you dont have to pay for the “evil” social programs at all. But please don’t ask for help when you out of work for a year, with no health insurance for you or your family, and are about to lose the house.
July 12th, 2006 at 4:04 pmJames: “the two parties show no substantive difference…â€
Really? You see no difference between the majority of dems positions on healthcare with that of the majority of Repubs??!! No difference on presidential powers? on the war? no difference on tax policy?? Let’s get serious here. The idea that there are no differences between the two major parties is a damn lie.
Comment by Bluedog49
July 12th, 2006 at 4:21 pm===================
…or delusion of the first order.
#75 - Your advice to not vote for any democrat that votes for the war money is the exact same thing as encouraging people to just vote republican. Unfortunatly, this country (unlike most modern democracies) only has two parties: a moderately conservative party and a radical quasi-fascist conservative party. While my own ideologies more often corresponds with Green party values over the ideals of the democrats, the fact of the matter is that any attempt to promote a third more progressive party for the small minority of Americans that are remotely intellectual is ultimately a wasted vote. I wasn’t happy that Kerry originally voted for the war, but at least he wasn’t the one responsible for launching it like his moron competetor.
People, even though many of the democrats are to the right of center, we still can’t afford to not cast our vote for them this november! This country has the smallest voter turnout of any modern democracy. I think the reason for that is because a lot of people feel that we shouldn’t have to choose the lesser of two evils and as a result they simply refuse to vote at all (I know my share of people who did not vote at all for this reason). But the stakes are too high! We can’t let our country continue to sink into this imperialistic authoritarianism. Not voting at all is exactly what Bush wants! He wants us to be discouraged because it gives him a free pass.
We need to Guide our country in steps. First, we need to get the democrats back in power…then we’ll start investigating more liberal third parties and lobby for more liberal democrats.
July 12th, 2006 at 4:28 pmBah why vote for the lesser evil
Palpatine/Vader 08
July 12th, 2006 at 4:32 pmthank you for spelling it out, neopro…
July 12th, 2006 at 4:50 pmthat’s just the way it is…
As the Hunt Brothers said, a billion ain’t what it used to be! So 400 + don’t really amount to anythin’ much…except that it could solve a lot of problems, dontcha know?
July 12th, 2006 at 5:46 pmThis “no difference between the parties” thing really baffles me. Does anyone here really believe that an America led by Al Gore would have invaded Iraq? Do you think either Gore or Kerry would have pushed tax cuts for the rich? How about the EPA? Do any of you think an Al Gore administration would have produced something like the “Healthy Forest Initiative?” Please.
July 12th, 2006 at 6:04 pmi’ll go a big step further - 9/11/01 would NOT have happened
July 12th, 2006 at 6:52 pmif Gore was president…
there… simple…
Does anyone here really believe that an America led by Al Gore would have invaded Iraq? Comment by Bluedog49 — July 12, 2006 @ 6:04 pm
July 12th, 2006 at 7:12 pmSorry, man. I am a latinamerican…whether it is a Dem or a GOP government, your country always finds the way to engage in some armed or financed conflict towards another country: Teddie Roosevelt (Make Panama independent…yeah, right. Took the canal), Clinton (Bombed Bosnia to stop the organization of the leftist that was just about to overthrow Milosevic), and so many other “good presidents”. It is probably that will be better with a Dem president, but us (95.5% of human population= the rest of the world)…we are not safe from you no matter the party in the White House.
#84 - katy,
July 12th, 2006 at 7:17 pmI differ on one detail on the likelyhood of 911 occurring under Gore. After the first tower was hit, he would not have stood down the airforce and would have ordered the immediate landings of all commercial flights and released the USAF. Bush continued to sit in a classroom while a childrens book was read and Cheney tethered the USAF. After the ‘mission was accomplished’, Bush flew around the country like the coward he was and let Cheney mash the facts.
The transfer of funds from the US treasury into the hands of bush supporters and cronies in the guise of the meaningless war in Iraq is singularly noteworthy as one of the greatest crimes visited upon the American people in our history. It’s OK. The American people have tolerated the theft of their tax dollars for almost six years and appear to be willing to let the criminal activity continue. Malfeasance and misfeasance in the highest office in the land and the corrupt republican congress goes unnoticed and left unchallenged. Cheney has made millions at the public trough by using his position and influence in government to find employment in the private sector and then back into government for more influence peddling. When he returns to his hobby as CEO of the Haliburton War Corporation and Bush returns to whatever the hell he does, they will live like Saudi Sheiks. Let the good times roll!
July 12th, 2006 at 9:22 pm#85 Juan is absolutely right on - Lyndon Johnson, Kennedy - it doesn’t really matter which party is in power and certainly doesnt ompare to starting punch ups after World Cup matches,
July 13th, 2006 at 12:14 amAhhh….whats a few hundred billion dollars more, why don’t they just ask for 2-3 or four hundred billion more and get it over with????? And then after that they can cut taxes again for the mega-rich. And as far as Bush and his post Pet Goat fly around, don’t forget some of the people allowed to leave US soil happened to have the last name of Bin-Laden. And thanks for the great post Nova16, in my opinion this ongoing theft of our tax dollars not to mention the absolute destruction of our constitution along with the murder of civilians while invading and occupying a nation that was no threat is THE GREATEST CRIME VISITED UPON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN OUR HISTORY not to mention some international crimes. The estimates regarding the cost of this occupation are staggering spiraling up into a trillion plus. The sick thing is these neocons never want this to end.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:40 amStop bitching, ya freaks. U can’t opt out of paying for this war the same way I can’t opt out of paying for medicaid and welfare for all the lazy, promiscuous ignoramuses I see on a daily basis. I’d do that so fast it’d make their heads spin. At least national defense is one of the defined roles of government that the founders laid out, so I want them to do that. No, they didn’t envision income tax, but they sure as hell never conceived of wealth transfer payments/entitlements. I’m happy for the government to do what I can’t do myself, which is defense and war, but not okay that they provide what people should be able to provide for themselves.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:08 amGosh, that’s more than twice the money Bill Gates has earned in his entire life.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:30 pmAnd Microsoft is really huge.
Didn’t Bush study anything that had to do with economics?
I guess Harvard must be really proud of him.
LOL
Congress voted to spend 223 million on a “bridge to nowhere” which garnered a lot of attention as to how taxpayer money was being wasted.
Now they want 110 billion for a “War to Nowhere” and the silence from the general public is deafening. It’s equal to 493 bridges.
I’ve heard that the money spent on Iraq thus far would have kept Social Security solvent for 75 more years. Guess that shows Republican priorities.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:24 pm[…] Administration To Request Another $110 Billion For Iraq Next Year […]
July 13th, 2006 at 6:23 pmAhhhh….the schitzoid Left - whining about money for the war on one thread and bemoaning the “old Buffalo” on another…(sounds alot like the modern Dem Party platform…WHAT exactly is the Dem PLAN for National Security??) Linking us with our Allies? WHERE HAVE THEY BEEN?? Using the “skill sets” learned from NGO’s and the UN?? There’s the kettle…
July 13th, 2006 at 7:00 pmIt seems good to change the government every so often, the graft channels get too well established and thus too expensive. To correct this it is necessary to throw the bums out and start with a fresh sheet.
July 13th, 2006 at 7:56 pmRepeat when necessary.
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July 14th, 2006 at 4:19 pmmighty aphrodite, you might want to check out this comprehensive security plan offered by the Democrats.
The Democrats have been trying to get all cargo containers shipped into our ports screened for years now - port security being one of our biggest weak points, easily - but of course the Republican Congress does nothing.
July 14th, 2006 at 9:40 pm[…] all al-zarqawi’s doing…no wait, it’s “our”replacement “terrorist”…anyway, it’s just some, any, “Islamic terrorist”– NOT the Iraqi national resistance defeating our bloody plans to dismantle and own Iraq & the “region”… Administration To Request Another $110 Billion For Iraq Next Year : Yesterday, the White House released its FY2007 mid-session budget review with great fanfare, celebrating its projection that the deficit will be nearly $300 billion this year.http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/110-billion/ […]
July 15th, 2006 at 1:21 amRemember, when the next president is elected .. be it a Democrat the budget numbers will be found to be much worse … besides the social security pot will be emptied by the greed and selfishness of the military industrial complex .
July 15th, 2006 at 1:56 amSound ways to stop this bankrupting of our country, which was once great prior to Jan. 2001.
July 15th, 2006 at 9:32 amI propose that as of the 2007 budget, no more borrowing is allowed to fund the war.
The money can only come out of whatever’s in the present U.S. Treasury.
If the account is drained, like the same for all of us with maxed out credit cards or depleted savings accounts, no more money can be spent or borrowing allowed.
Another proposal is an Iraq War Tax, only billable to registered Republicans.
The Tax would be written, however, so that anyone else in favor of the conflict is more than welcome to volunteer to pay the tax as well.
Congress can also pass a resolution that if the war does not end by mid-year 2007, the Bush Twins must be drafted into the Security Forces.
But here’s a realistic idea that I think enough Americans are fed up and may go for it.
Declare a two-hour period during the weekend sometime in the near future where EVERY AMERICAN opposed to this war steps outside their home onto the sidewalks or roads outside of their homes, carrying signs and making noise.
Imagine. The Media and Congress, already failing to represent the wishes of the people, could not ignore hundreds of millions of people expressing their disdain in this way. Another proposal is a large-scale march on Washington where the people storm into the White House and physically remove Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the crime cabal running our country.
Y’know, it would be like the old West where a possess was formed to run the Bad Guys out of town.
I wouldn’t suggest also stringing them up on trees on the White House lawn as that may be going too far. Or would it?
let’s take all the money that we give to Israel every year and use that to finance the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
July 15th, 2006 at 11:14 pmBUT, WE’VE WON!!!!
right?
“The beginning of the fall of all great empires is marked by a raiding of it’s treasury.”
July 16th, 2006 at 12:18 am$110 Billion, for what? To continue to violate the 1st Amendment by caging peaceful protestors and forcing Amazon to drop the book “America Deceived” by E.A. Blayre III.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:26 amMaybe they’ll use the money to build more rooms inside AT&T to tap our phones in violation of the 4th Amendment.
$110 Billion will only last a month with 2 wars and aid to Israel.
Expect more money needed soon.
Support indy media.
Last link (before they use $110 Billion to buy off Google Books):
http://www.iuniverse.com/ bookstore/ book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0
[…] [Cross-posted at Firedoglake on July 15, 2006] Earlier this week, the Republicans celebrated a reduction of the federal deficit to $296 billion (as opposed to the $400 billion projection in February) for the upcoming fiscal year. (ed. note: What a surprise. They botched an estimation. Business as usual in the Bush White House.) While members of the GOP did endzone dances in celebration of the fourth highest deficit — ever — there were some interesting developments this week with government spending on Bush’s misadventure in Iraq and the underworld of war profiteering. President Bush submitted a request for an additional $110 billion to finance Iraq and Afghanistan operations. The supplement is likely to increase the total cost of the war in Iraq to $400 billion — about $400 billion off from former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz’s estimation. (Give or take.) Though none of this money will go to reconstruction. (ed. note: Reconstruction is still desperately needed; a situation that is accuarately characterized by the crumbling buildings described in the Parsons post. The major problem was that the money went to corporate lackies of the White House who were only interested in increasing their bottom-line rather than producing quality work. That much is undeniable as defense contractors consistently tried to cut corners. Don’t forget that these defense contractors are being paid for jobs that the U.S. military used to do, such as feeding soldiers, you know, food that isn’t double-charged and water that isn’t contaminated.) Just a quick update, sports fans. Iraq/Afghanistan wars: +$110 billion; Number of veterans whose personal information has gone M.I.A.: 17.5 million; Moral authority of the U.S. in the world: 0. On the corporate greed-front, the Army Corps of Engineers canceled Halliburton’s logistical support contract (LOGCAP), which was awarded in December 2001, and that the U.S. Army has already paid $14.5 billion to Vice President Dick Cheney’s former employer, as reported by Griff Witte of the Washington Post on July 12. Under the deal, Halliburton had exclusive rights to provide the military with a wide range of work that included keeping soldiers around the world fed, sheltered and in communication with friends and family back home. Government audits turned up more than $1 billion in questionable costs. Whistle-blowers told how the company charged $45 per case of soda, double-billed on meals and allowed troops to bathe in contaminated water. […]
July 16th, 2006 at 7:05 am[…] [Cross-posted at Firedoglake on July 15, 2006] Earlier this week, the Republicans celebrated a reduction of the federal deficit to $296 billion (as opposed to the $400 billion projection in February) for the upcoming fiscal year. (ed. note: What a surprise. They botched an estimation. Business as usual in the Bush White House.) While members of the GOP did endzone dances in celebration of the fourth highest deficit — ever — there were some interesting developments this week with government spending on Bush’s misadventure in Iraq and the underworld of war profiteering. President Bush submitted a request for an additional $110 billion to finance Iraq and Afghanistan operations. The supplement is likely to increase the total cost of the war in Iraq to $400 billion — about $400 billion off from former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz’s estimation. (Give or take.) Though none of this money will go to reconstruction. (ed. note: Reconstruction is still desperately needed; a situation that is accuarately characterized by the crumbling buildings described in the Parsons post. The major problem was that the money went to corporate lackies of the White House who were only interested in increasing their bottom-line rather than producing quality work. That much is undeniable as defense contractors consistently tried to cut corners. Don’t forget that these defense contractors are being paid for jobs that the U.S. military used to do, such as feeding soldiers, you know, food that isn’t double-charged and water that isn’t contaminated.) Just a quick update, sports fans. Iraq/Afghanistan wars: +$110 billion; Number of veterans whose personal information has gone M.I.A.: 17.5 million; Moral authority of the U.S. in the world: 0. On the corporate greed-front, the Army Corps of Engineers canceled Halliburton’s logistical support contract (LOGCAP), which was awarded in December 2001, and that the U.S. Army has already paid $14.5 billion to Vice President Dick Cheney’s former employer, as reported by Griff Witte of the Washington Post on July 12. Under the deal, Halliburton had exclusive rights to provide the military with a wide range of work that included keeping soldiers around the world fed, sheltered and in communication with friends and family back home. Government audits turned up more than $1 billion in questionable costs. Whistle-blowers told how the company charged $45 per case of soda, double-billed on meals and allowed troops to bathe in contaminated water. […]
July 16th, 2006 at 7:06 amAll the world is paying for this war, as the US are living on credit…
July 17th, 2006 at 5:24 amHope You’re Not Too Scared to Sign Your Name…
The Bush administration plans on asking Congress for another $110 billion to finance its Iraq fiasco, which would bring the total spent on Iraq to more than $400 billion.
But d……
July 17th, 2006 at 7:07 pmThe war with Syria and Iran is the beginning of WW3. WW3 will end at Armageddon. Afterwards, it is Judgement Day.
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Read this book - http://jahtruth.net/twh.pdf and join the fight against evil (All of you here seem to know who THEY are, yet you do nothing about it. Join the fight - redeem yourselves)
July 18th, 2006 at 1:13 am[…] Shays has good reason to be concerned about mounting costs. Total appropriations for Iraq by Congress will soon exceed $400 billion. […]
July 21st, 2006 at 1:50 pmCan we earmark our taxes?
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