Rep. King Designs Electrified Fence For Southern Border: ‘We Do This With Livestock All The Time’
Rep. King Designs Electrified Fence For Southern Border: ‘We Do This With Livestock All The Time’
Rep. Steve King (R-IA) went on the House floor on Tuesday to discuss a fence that he “designed” for the southern boarder. (King constructed a model of the fence as he was speaking.) King’s design features a wire electrified “with the kind of current that would not kill somebody.” King noted that “we do this with livestock all the time.” Watch it:
Transcript:
KING: So when I get down there and sit on that border, what I do is I come to this conclusion, we can’t shut that off unless we build a fence and a wall. I want to put the fence in, but I want to put a wall in, and I designed one. And this just simply is the desert floor – put a trench in that desert floor. We have the ability to put together a machine that would be a slip form machine that would lay a footing about like this, Mr. Speaker.
And if I give you a look at the end of that, that’s so you’d have that about five feet deep underneath the ground. It’d keep the wall from tipping over. We’d pour a notch in it that’ll allow us to put pre-cast panels in. And it would sit, it would look like this, and this would be flush with the desert floor. And then you’d bring in pre-cast concrete walls – ten fee wide, thirteen and a half feet tall. It’d construct itself to be a twelve foot finished wall, just like that, Mr. Speaker. Drop these panels in together, in this fashion. Just take a crane and drop them in. Our little construction company could build a mile a day of this pretty easily, once you’ve got your system going. The whole two thousand miles are not going to work that way, but a lot of it will work this way, Mr. Speaker.
And so to just wrap up this construction, this’d be an example, then, of how that wall would look. Now you could also deconstruct it the same way. You could take it back down. If somehow they got their economy working and got their laws working in Mexico we could pull this back out just as easy as we could put it in. We could open it up again or we could open it up and let livestock run through there, whatever we choose.
I also say we need to do a few other things on top of that wall, and one of them being to put a little bit of wire on top here to provide a disincentive for people to climb over the top or put a ladder there. We could also electrify this wire with the kind of current that would not kill somebody, but it would simply be a discouragement for them to be fooling around with it. We do that with livestock all the time.
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Are we going to have landmines and machine gun bunkers as well ?
July 13th, 2006 at 1:04 pmAbsolutely Bill. It wouldn’t be a Wall without them.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:09 pmWe do that with livestock all the time.
WTF? These are PEOPLE you are talking about here a**wipe. Talk about compassionate conservatism!!!
July 13th, 2006 at 1:09 pmThis sad demonstration in on par with the Rep. from Oklahoma(?) who showed the proud family tree free of gays, and criminals, and different-colored people, and divorced people, and people who think differently. It serves as another reminder that Republicans are out of touch with America. We are going to pay for a fence when we are spending $10 billion a month in Iraq?
July 13th, 2006 at 1:10 pmfor some reason..i approve of this.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:11 pmKing noted that “we do this with livestock all the time.â€
Well done, Steve. I can’t wait to see what John Stewart, Stephen Colbert, and Keith Olbermann make of that one.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:11 pmWe do that with livestock all the time.
Considering what else he does with livestock all the time, I would imagine his romantic advances toward illegals would be far more of a deterent than his fence…
July 13th, 2006 at 1:12 pmComment by unbelievable — July 13, 2006 @ 1:12 pm
Bad, bad visual!!!
July 13th, 2006 at 1:13 pmLet’s build a wall to keep people out - no wait, let’s build a wall to keep Americans in! When Conservatism idealogy is done destroying America who’s gonna want to stay?
July 13th, 2006 at 1:13 pm#3 Jules, that is Compassionate, normally when the neo-cons don’t like you they bomb you, or invade your country.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:14 pmYou’re kidding aren’t you? Equating people to livestock?
July 13th, 2006 at 1:14 pmThe trouble with ‘non-lethal’ voltage is that it’s not going to be much of a deterrent to people truly desperate to get into this country (or get others in for profit).
It’s not going to stop truly determined people, so the Border Patrol will keep ramping up the voltage until a ‘non-lethal’ voltage becomes a voltage that is still non-lethal…to adults, but manages to kill the infant son or daughter of a poor Mexican couple or single mother that are looking to escape the horrors of a Mexico under the rule of the BushCo-installed Calderón.
That’ll make for some great P.R., won’t it?
July 13th, 2006 at 1:16 pmBad, bad visual!!!
Comment by jules — July 13, 2006 @ 1:13 pm
Sorry, I couldn’t resist. I mean he can’t be a handsome fellow since TP left his entire head out of the photo :).
July 13th, 2006 at 1:16 pm(…) discuss a fence that he “designed†for the southern boarder.
Not to nitpick, but it should read “border”.
“We Do This With Livestock All The Time”
What a poor choice of words. Or maybe that’s what he actually thinks of people South of the border.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:17 pmI dunno. I looked at that fence and thought, “WTF. how’s that supposed to stop anybody? Why they’ll barely need to lift their feet to step over it.”
July 13th, 2006 at 1:17 pmWTF does some redneck moron from IA know about the southern boarder
July 13th, 2006 at 1:18 pmYou’re kidding aren’t you? Equating people to livestock?
Comment by Christ was a liberal — July 13, 2006 @ 1:14 pm
Well, in a humane world, we wouldn’t treat any life form with that level of callous disregard…
July 13th, 2006 at 1:19 pmmoron “boarder” == border hahaha
July 13th, 2006 at 1:19 pmLike Pink Floyd Said…. All in all it’ss just another brick in the wall.
John Stewart is gonna have a field day with this one!
July 13th, 2006 at 1:19 pmHe sounds like he’s presenting a personal business proposal. Another no-bid Republican fiasco?
What’s with the “our company” could build a mile-a-day shpiel???
Suggestion for a political ad:
1) Camera pans into King’s demo on C-SPAN.
2) Announcer: “Steve King: Would you buy a fence from this man?”
3) Graphic comes up on screen: The GOP, where good fences make…….
What a wanker.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:20 pmWhat types of fences would liberals support? Here are some suggestions:
1. Invisible (current model)
2. One with a robotic hand that would gently place the “guest” worker back on the Mexican side.
3. One with a voting registration booth every 100 yards so they could increase their dwindling base.
4. One with brochures on how to get free health care, avoid border patrols and live off the United States government.
Border security is an issue that 80% of Americans support. You’d think everyone here would know that since you always appear to know what the pulse of the country is at any given point in time.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:20 pmI have a proposal. Since the people who want this wall built are often the same people who complain about wasting taxpayer dollars on worthless projects, I suggest that they go down to the border with shovels and wheelbarrows and build it themselves.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:20 pmHe also said they could put up the concrete walls at a pace of about “a mile a day.”
That’s about a 5 1/2-year plan for those of you who are mathematically challenged. The Republican plan: start building a wall that will be done only when we’re all out of office.
Let’s make sure to kick out the ones we can folks.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:20 pmApparently Rep. King is unaware of the fact that the Mexican “animals” have evolved to such an extent that they can now actually operate even highly complex tools such as wire-cutters.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:21 pmBorder security is an issue that 80% of Americans support.-Randy
Do 80% of them also support building a fence like this. I don’t think so.
I suppose you think we should also secure our other borders, no? We going to build a fence around the whole country? I think that’s Pat Buchanan’s wet dream.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:23 pm#20: I suspect most liberals know where they stand on the issue. But thank you so much for your attempt to define their position for them. It was very helpful.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:23 pmRandy,
I hate to rain on your parade (not really), but a ‘fence’ isn’t the only option for dealing with border security.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:24 pmwhat a waste of taxpayer dollars. this is just another do-nothing idea that people will find a way to undermine.
this guys should be talking about ENFORCING the LAWS on the books and fining employers who hire illegal workers.
every time there is republican leaderhship in this country illegal immigration goes UP, and enforcement goes DOWN.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:25 pmThe Pentagon Global Climate Change Report - which everyone can google and find suggests: —- Build a WALL BETWEEN USA & MEXICO to keep people out due to drastic climatic changes due to Global Warming.WHAT HAPPENED TO TRUTH? With truth - we can anticipate and fix problems. Guess the only interest the thugs in power today have is to — take care of themselves - the rest of the world be damned.
Try reading John Dean’s book “Conservatives Without Conscience” - we are in trouble folks. WE THE PEOPLE must learn to fight back - educate ourselves and others about our FASCIST leanings… now while we can.
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
July 13th, 2006 at 1:26 pmJohn Kenneth Galbraith.
Although some may disagree, I do consciously refrain from using inflammatory or derogatory language. However, are you Americans all batsh*t crazy?
Now, I have never claimed to be of superior intelligence and would never be so arrogant to harbor such a belief internally. With that said, you all do realize that “fences” and “walls”, regardless of design or construction, provide two services equally: 1) Keeping things out, and 2) KEEPING THINGS IN!
You should not be joking about this subject in the least. If you are not running out into the street and screaming at the top of your lungs in opposition to the insane proposition of building a border wall, then you will be as complicit in the process of your own incarceration as if you put hammer to nail yourself.
I am aghast at your complacency and deeply disturbed by your indifference.
Meanwhile, Israel, your bestest friend in the whole gosh darn world, just killed dozens more innocent CHILDREN, WOMEN, and MEN in “retaliation” for the alleged kidnapping of TWO (that’s one more than ONE) of its soldiers who were most likely in the act of killing innocent civilians. And for those who would have the audacity to label me “anti-Semite”, let me address that proactively by pointing out that this action is in contradiction to the Mosaic law of an “eye for an eye”.
What the hell is going on with you Americans?
July 13th, 2006 at 1:26 pmAt an historic meeting between the War-Time President and Osama bin Laden in the Arabian Desert, a bedouin presented the two with a gift of a magic lamp.
The Genie hoping to aspire peace between the two allowed but one wish each.
“I want an impenatrable wall 1,000 feet high completely surrounding the United States of America to protect all Americans from terrorists.” said the War-Time President is his adopted Texas accent.
“Done.” the Genie said and turned to bin Laden. “And your wish?”
Osama paused a moment, then looked at the Genie with a twinkle in his eye and said, “Fill it with water.”
July 13th, 2006 at 1:26 pmI’m sure most Republicans would’t understand why this is outrageous - for one simple reason: we’re talking about “those people”. They literally have to view this as happening to white people for them to be outraged. It’s the same reason they view Iraq as “staying the course” instead of the wanton slaughter of men, women, children, and babies.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:27 pmliberals havve been trying to increase border security ever since Bush/Cheney took office, and conservatives have voted their proposals down every single time… any conservatives want to tell us why?
July 13th, 2006 at 1:27 pmAmazing…it just snaps together like that, eh? What a grand idea. Couldn’t spend any of that money on public schools or hospitals or bombs we need to fight whoever we’re gonna invade next. And on WHO’S SIDE OF THE RIO GRANDE will this be placed?…we gonna take even more of Mexico for this project or put it on our side of the river? I’m thinking that the nice sight of a 13.5 foot wall is probably not nearly as pretty as a river..but hey, what do I know…I’m a stinkin liberal who obviously has no clue as to what is good for the country. God bless King Bush and Repugs…(I sure have a tough time thinking this is the way Jesus would solve the problem, though - and isn’t that what the neo cons are supposed to be asking themselves - WWJD?)
July 13th, 2006 at 1:28 pm…
Is this a “Compassionate” conservative??
I’m glad for displays like this: It shows people what they really are…
July 13th, 2006 at 1:29 pmAs a liberal I desperiately want to be able to keep our social programs others have worked so hard to get. The massive new additions can damage this.
I suppose those who do not want an orderly process for entering this country are the same ones who never lock their homes or take the keys out of their car. It is an open country isn’t it?
July 13th, 2006 at 1:30 pmIt’s like Jurassic Park! Only… Illegal Immigrant Park! Then again… if the fence is on the border… than what is contained behind the fence (from our stand point) would just be Mexico. In which case they would not be illegal immigrants. So…. call it Mexico Park? Ooh.. we could take gas guzzling SUVs along a track to visit. I wonder how many Mexicans would take the goat for good and then spit up a leg on our sunroof? Or for that matter how many of them will try to flip out car over, or run down the outhouse.
Does this sound a little far fetched? Well… so does the electrical fence.
California already has enough power outages. This big-ass fence won’t help matters.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:30 pmWhy do I get the feeling that John Stewart and TDS are going to have a field day with this clip.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:30 pmCompassionate Conservative - an oxymoron if I ever heard one.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:31 pmApparently, Ronald “America’s Greatest Hero” Reagan called for East Germany to tear down its wall so that America could build its own.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:31 pmWhat’s next?
Branding the immigrants we want to keep?
July 13th, 2006 at 1:37 pmI like the idea. Seriously.
King’s a Hellbound Christian, though.
Which reminds me-should Homeland Security be publishing lists of national assets?
July 13th, 2006 at 1:37 pm#29: In response to your question, no, we Americans are not all crazy. Some of us are, but not all. Please refrain from painting us all with the same brush. We are not all xenophobic sociopaths. Many of us want sane immigration policies, many of us like our Mexican neighbors and do not fear them, and many of us want the government simply to enfoce laws that are already on the books (such as those that outlaw hiring illegal workers). And many of us are actively trying to do something about it. Remember, though, that we are not the ones who hold power.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:40 pmGreat plan for ‘cows’ who don’t know how to dig a tunnel…
July 13th, 2006 at 1:41 pmDid the fine fence builder from IA discuss the cost of this? Where will the electricity come from? And who will he get to work long hours in the hot sun to install this? hmmmmmm.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:44 pm- newnameacquired:
Scene from the critically acclaimed “Illegal Immigrant Park”:
———————————
RUMSFELD
Whoa, whoa, whoa, what the hell, what the hell?
BUSH
What now?
RUMSFELD
Fences are failing, all over the nation! A few minor systems, he said!
BUSH
(to Condi, pissed)
Find Rove! Check the vending machines!
RUMSFELD
The monitors are failing.
Condi heads for the door just as all the video monitors in the
control room go out with a faint electronic ZIP.
The three of them freeze for a moment, looking at each other.
The tension in the room goes up a notch.
BUSH
(to Rumsfeld)
Use Rove’s terminal. Get it all back on. He can de-bug later.
RUMSFELD
God, look at this workstation.
CONDI
The Mexican fences aren’t out, are they?
RUMSFELD
(checks)
No, they’re still on.
BUSH
Why the hell would he turn the others off?!
————————————-
(coming soon to a fascist dictatorship near you!)
July 13th, 2006 at 1:44 pmI agree with ironchef.
As long as th Neocons believe this:
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality,”
We absolutely have to close the borders.
It is actually quite terrifying that the Neocons have left it open for so long.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:45 pmConservative science fair: in this booth, the border fence. In the next, the watermelon which was shot by a congressman to “prove” that Vince Foster was murdered.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:48 pmLet me ask you pro-cattle-fence people a question…
Why don’t we have problems with Canadian illegals? Why aren’t Canadans crossing the borders in droves to “steal” our jobs and “milk” our social programs?
Answer that correctly and you’ll see that the solution to our problem is not a fence.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:49 pmi love how these republicans from NON-border states have all the crazy ideas for what to do about immigration.
it’s the same people who have NOTHING to fear when it comes to terrorism in their states -dictating what homleand security should be for the states with REAL threats.
all us people in TARGET states voted against Bush & Chenye because we know they have no clue how to stop terrorism.
same with these middle-america politicians who think they know how to deal with the border. You have to listen to the people in those border states if you want to get it right… they have been dealing with the problem for generations and they know what works and what doesn’t.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:50 pmThis guy would have been a hit in Stalinist Russia; unfortunately, he’s HERE!! He, and people like him, would also absolutely have no problem locking up U.S. citizens in those detention facilities Haliburton has received contracts to build (for immigration control purposes and other (unnamed) programs. When Bush looked into Putin’s eyes and “saw his soul,” he recognized a fellow traveler. WE Americans need to recognize the path these people are travelling on, if we intend to maintain our democracy and our liberty.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:50 pmUnzueta described the shaft as technically advanced, with electricity, a ventilation system, pumps to remove groundwater, cement flooring for traction in steep areas, and wood roofing to bolster the walls and ceiling. It had a clearance, he said, of nearly six feet and was about five feet wide.
At 2,400 feet, the tunnel is the longest and most sophisticated of the 21 underground passageways linking the United States and Mexico that have been discovered since the Sept. 11, 2001
July 13th, 2006 at 1:51 pmIt is time to get this guy out of office. Between “Iraq is safer than DC,” his Helen Thomas bashing comments, and the many, many other bizarre comments…this guy needs to go. He isn’t based in reality and sees no problem with wasting time with useless solutions that will take years to implement.
Give some love to his Democratic challenger this fall–Joyce Schulte.
Iowa deserves better and so do the rest of us.
http://www.schulteforcongress.com
also check out blogging all things Schulte at: http://schulteforchange.blogspot.com
July 13th, 2006 at 1:52 pm#42-Jim,
Did you sleep through your civics classes. Have you ever read your Constitution? Here are the cliff notes for the educationally impaired:
US Government is OF, FOR, and BY the people. Elected REPRESENTATIVES (please, look up “representative” in the dictionary) act on BEHALF of their constituents (also, look up “constituents”). Therefore, the ultimate responsibility for the actions of their government, and where the Constitution ensures where the POWER lay, is with the CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
So, do not tell me you don’t have the power. In doing so all that you are saying is that you CHOOSE not to exercise it. What the hell is wrong with you?
July 13th, 2006 at 1:54 pm#45
from my office window, I can see a bunch of guys who would work in the sun to build a fence. It’s why they stand in the parking lot of a 7-11 all day, so they can maybe make some money.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:54 pmunbelievable,
King acurately associates mammals when he talks of cattle.
Both borders need to be closed.
What should really be bothering you is Israel is dragging Iran into the war that is about to break out in the Middle East.
The war that TP will not discuss.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:54 pmSee, I don’t see how anyone can take these types of people seriously. A giant wall, spanning the entire us-mexico border, or at least a greater portion of it. Rather than try to legalize the people and get money from them, you’re going to waste more money to keep them out. Frankly, all these ideas are knee jerk reactions to the problem and offer no real solution.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:55 pmThis guy is no rancher . The electric fence can be shorted an cut . He thinks the electorate can be treated like cows . He is full of Bull . New york repubs better look elsewhere for common sense . The reading of Thomas Paine would be a good beginning.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:56 pmConstitution ensures where the POWER lay, is with the CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Humanist
On a national level it is simply called GREED AND MONEY, and on the global level it is the WORLD BANK.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:56 pmSlave were treated worse then livestock. I guess the old forms of hatred are back. The United States speaks democracy but acts live the KKK. At lease all the evil people are now stepping forward and speaking out. Soon Americans will turn on Americans as the Bush hate policy continues. Just watch out for the Saudi’s because they are people of color so when Tony Snow, Chris Matthews and Bill O’Reilly use their racist talk the Saudi’s will know what the Branches of government and Bush Administration really think of them too. One bad apple to destroying so many others that bad apple is Bush. Look at the world today hatred and government stealing. If Sen. King wants to kill the immigrants who will do their work or is he bringing back Slavery to full those jobs.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:57 pmWhat a monumental waste of money a border fence would be.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:57 pm#47-ironchef,
To ignore me is to ignore the truth. Which, as it is, probably explains your monumental ignorance.
Oh, and if you have a question for me, feel free to ask and I will (and always) respond. Your insinuation that I do not respond to questions is disingenuous and maliciously false.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:58 pm60. And what I meant by that is those who have the most have the control. Period.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:58 pmThat fence is a great idea..
but it should also be tank proof, with a nice no-man’s land (don’t forget the raked gravel, and land mines) between 2 electrified fences, oh.. and a lot of gun towers. I know it will be expensive but don’t worry, it can be built in phases depending on how totalitarian our leaders become over the next couple of decades.
Ahh, the east German’s would be so proud of us!!
July 13th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#46
building a wall, lol, please. some more pork spending. iwonder if it is under the bill flag burning, gay rights and all that other must have bills. i look at it this way. i do not believe in the theory of ‘the work the americans won’t do’. major cop out folks. i’ll pick beats all day long if they want to pay me descent labor wages. i would NOT except a job anywhere for 5.15/hr. it is called slave labor at it’s finest. and this folks is not just happening around the farming/ranching industry. why hire an american worker for 8/hr when in fact you can get a non-english speaking, illegal immigrant 5.15? no reason. my biggest problem with the illegals is the fact that i have to pay for there room, food, english classes, medical and taxes. if they want to become a member of our society they do it the right way. all the government needs to do is ENFORCE the laws. we are enablers.
July 13th, 2006 at 1:59 pmHow does this stop them from tunneling under it. It looks like the tunnel only has to be about 10 ft. deep.
I am all for a wall… as long as it is waterproof, and surrounds New Orleans.
Art in N.O.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:00 pmwhy didnt we just import the one they knocked down in Berlin a few years back
July 13th, 2006 at 2:00 pmOkay, we’ve been experiencing a collective nightmare for six years now, when will it end?
July 13th, 2006 at 2:00 pmGoes to show how dense the bubble congressmen live in is. It wouldn’t be such a problem if conservatives weren’t so blindly loyal. Take a deep breath and a step back; a massive electrified wall 2000 miles long to keep your “melting pot” safe. And ya know walls have been so historically successful, (Berlin and China, those are just exceptions to the rule). Oh, and stop inventing statistics to make the idea sound maintream. If “80%” is a cross-section from your family of 5, keep it to yourself.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:01 pmA well made fence would weed out the riff raff. But I personally think automated heat seeking weapons are the answer.
Yes, I’m serious.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:01 pm#67
is not pertaining to anyone, sorry #46
July 13th, 2006 at 2:02 pmIf we don’t do something at the border things are going to get ugly. What should we do. Shoot people? Let them die of thirst in the desert? Let them rape each other in the desert. Break every American law in the book regarding legal immigration?
A wall is a hell of an idea. It’s cheaper in the long run to maintain and less people get hurt. The people against a wall must support Haitain and Cuban illegal immigration to. Heck, come on in Central America.
If your not for a wall, what kind of border security are you for?
July 13th, 2006 at 2:02 pmbs,
You’re wrong. Border security is essential to national security. To think otherwise is treasonous.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:04 pmI think we should build a moat, yeh and then fill it with salt water and sharks with lasers on their heads, or maybe just electrify the water in the moat, yeh thats the plan…dats the ticket yeh.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:05 pmLush Limppud,
You’re wrong, too.
Everyday, a dirty bomb comes into America.
Everyday, terrorists come into America with the intent of killing Americans.
You make America weak. All Democrats do. They neglect border security while they wage war. It’s fundamentally flawed and fatal.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:08 pmInstead of the Berlin Wall, The Wall Seperating East and West Germany, The Great Wall of China, there will be the southern wall of the U.S.. Tourists can come and visit the greatest folly ever built in the United States. I was going to say the world, but lets not be hubristic. There can be free style wall climbing contests and wall decorating contests.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:08 pmElectrified fence on the border to shock them like cattle if they try to climb over it? Rep. Steve King needs to resign TODAY!
July 13th, 2006 at 2:08 pmI can’t believe you asked that question… but I’ll answer it for you…
You will. HAng on. Don’t be so impatient.
The canadians are educated far more than us, they are employed probably as much as us, if not moreso, and their economy is much more stable, robust, and they report national surplus budgets every year. It is us who flee north, not them fleeing south.
Canada is presently the most educated country in the world. So, yes, they are more educated than we are. But the Canadian dollar doesn’t have the same value as the U.S. dollar. They could make more money if they came here. That’s a motive. Just like in Mexico.
I actually met an archeologist in Utah last year. He was from Canada, doing a bit of hiking. He told me that Canada is currently experiencing what they call a “brain drain” to teh United States. Meaning, the most educated people are leaving Canada for better paying jobs in the U.S. I did a bit of research myself and it seems he’s correct.
So, your supposition about us fleeing north is actually not the case. They are coming here more than we are going there.
Having answered that correctly, the answer is, as the noted representative said “until the mexican governemnt improves…etc, etc†then the WALL CAN COME DOWN!
Actually, you did not answer that correctly. So, you can play again if you’d like…
Or did you stop paying attention because the idea of the wall made you psycho crazy with liberal rage! lol
Comment by ironchef — July 13, 2006 @ 1:53 pm
I didn’t realize I was having a conversation with a fifth grader until you said this. No wonder you got the answer wrong.
My issue is that a fence will not solve the problem, and the millions that will be wasted could have gone to address the real issue. I avoid hate. It’s not good for a long and healthy life. Look what it’s done to Rush Limp-baugh’s weenie…
By the way, the Canadian border with the US is more than twice as long as that of the Mexican-US border.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:08 pmJay Randal,
You’re wrong, too.
You make America weak. All Democrats do. They neglect border security while they wage war. It’s fundamentally flawed and fatal.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:09 pm#77 and it will only cost 1 Milllliiioon dollars ………..ummm no 1 Billiiiiiion dollars and i know just who can build it Halliburton
July 13th, 2006 at 2:09 pmYou’re wrong. Border security is essential to national security. To think otherwise is treasonous.
Border security had nothing to do with 911, they were on student visas remember?
But now that Bush has the whole mideast up in arms we do need to secure our borders, but a fence, unlesss dug deeply, will have no effect, many illegals cross the borders for work, not to terrorize.
many Illegals across the border in trains, cars and trucks,
If you put a fence on the border you will then have to line the entire coastline….duh.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:09 pmKing acurately associates mammals when he talks of cattle.
How terrible enlightened of you.
Both borders need to be closed.
You mean with a fence? Won’t work.
What should really be bothering you is Israel is dragging Iran into the war that is about to break out in the Middle East.
The war that TP will not discuss.
Comment by Destroy the DLC — July 13, 2006 @ 1:54 pm
You mean the war in teh Middle East that George Bush started? That one has plagued me for years now actually.
Perhaps they are doing their research before they comment. Unlike FAUX gnus, TP isn’t interested in Nielsen ratings.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:12 pmI think there are three very easy solutions to solving the Illegal immigration problem.
1. as several people before me have mentioned, fine the corporations and businesses that hire illegals heavily enough to be a deterrant
2. require at least one parent to be a US citizen before granting citizenship to children who are just born here
3. suspend all non-life saving social programs from people who aren’t paying taxes to support them
Easy. Simple. And it will actually help save the social programs without incurring the costs of building an unnecessary wall. If these simple programs were followed and enforced, it would effectively mean that…
a. corporations would be paying such huge fines for hiring illegal workers that they could afford to pay a legal resident of the US a livable wage and provide them with health-care.
b. you’ve passed a law that is deterring people from crossing the boarder just to have children here and therefore qualify them for social programs that are being bankrupted
c. which then leads into saving the money poured into the social programs for the people who have actually paid or helped pay for them. This may sound cruel, but with the deficit at a record high and tax cuts on top of it, these programs will be bankrupt. There’s no question about it really. And some of you may label me as hateful or a cynic, but I believe in helping people here first, before I try saving the rest of the world.
Thanks
July 13th, 2006 at 2:12 pmLush Limppud,
Our borders are neglected. The world knows this.
Border security has been replaced by widespread, illegal spying of all Americans.
When your liberal heart bleeds you make us less safe. Fundamentally flawed.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:13 pm#74 I agree that a wall is a more cost effective way of dealing with Border security and #76 it is essential to national security. My question is then why has over $300 billion been liberally thrown half way around the world and only now the party in power is pushing for this wall. If we would use the same logic that is getting thrown at us for the Star Wars defense system (if we would have put more money into it way back when we wouldn’t have to worry about Ol’ Kim jun il) as our own border security the fingers point squarely at the party in power.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:13 pmbs
You just hit a homerun. Enforce the current laws. But I love the wall to. I would help law enforcement do its job. And your also right on wages to. People would show up to pick anything for a proper wage. Your more conservative than you think!!!!!!
July 13th, 2006 at 2:14 pmThey neglect border security while they wage war. It’s fundamentally flawed and fatal. -DLC
Border security is essential to national security. To think otherwise is treasonous. -DLC
So your calling the bush people treasonous?
Kewl!!!!
July 13th, 2006 at 2:15 pmDestroy the DLC
“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it†– Adolph Hitler
July 13th, 2006 at 2:17 pmAmerica.
The Bigot Nation.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:17 pmSometimes, the left exaggerates something the right says.
“You’re kidding aren’t you? Equating people to livestock?”
Just because he said that such a fence is already used with livestock is *not* equating people to livestock.
Had he talked about some method of finding and treating illegal immigrants who are in danger crossing the desert from heat with a program that had been used to find and treat lost livestock, it wouldn’t be equating livestock to people, now would it? It was simply a statement supporting the existence of the fence and its ’safe use’.
Don’t exagerrate what the right says - they say enough terrible wrong things that we don’t want to give them the easy rebuttals that we get it wrong in examples like this one.
The left needs to think through its strategy on the illegal immigration issue. What is the right policy? What is politically feasible? It should recognize how the right is ‘having it both ways’, the economic benefits of the cheap labor, including its undermining effect on wages, while doing nothing to help Mexico improve its own economy, and getting political credit with the public for being the party for restricting immigration. They should have to choose one of those benefits, not get all of them at once despite the contradictions.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:17 pmWell, I certainly hate to agree with right winger nuts, but this sounds quite possibly a wall which would work. Israel has used a similar design, without the electricity, to separate themselves and it has been very effective.
I am a moderate, and have been all my life, but I am absolutely disgusted with illegal immigration. The US must be able to sort through who wants to immigrate to this country and have control over it.
NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO COME HERE, JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO.
For the cynics, I DON’T CARE IF THEY PUT A CHARGE ON THE TOP OF THAT 13 FOOT FENCE WHICH WOULD KNOCK THE PANTS OFF ANYONE TRYING TO CLIMB OVER, OR KNOCK THEM COMPLETELY BACK OFF IT.
Knowing that it is there and what will happen will be a huge deterrent and few would approach it.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:18 pmThey neglect border security while they wage war. It’s fundamentally flawed and fatal.
Comment by Destroy the DLC — July 13, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
I hate to point out the obvious to you while you’re in the middle of another one of your fearfilled panic attacks about boogeymen, but the Republicans have been in charge for the last 5.5 years and, therefore, it is your side who has done nothing to address border securiity. Dems are not responsible here.
This leads me to believe that border security is NOT a physical problem….
July 13th, 2006 at 2:19 pm#75-ironchef,
Thank you for actually asking questions, to which I respond as follows:
1. I am from Earth, the third planet from the sun, which maintains a breathable atmosphere (at least for the moment). I recognize no border, and I am in servitude to no government, group, or individual.
2. I am a moral being whose beliefs are based upon the respect for life and the free will of all humankind (my beliefs stretch into all life forms but I do not want to exceed your cognitive model). My theological beliefs an matters of faith are my own and are irrelevant to this conversation and to you.
3. What is a “real†American? How many fake ones are you aware of? And, most importantly, what relevance is there? Who is powerless, you? Have you read your Constitution?
4. In regard to me protesting “my†government or affecting change in my own “countryâ€, I refer you back to my answer #1.
Now, your cowardly approach of asking me questions and then telling me not to answer them because you don’t think that you’ll like the answers is asinine. Why do you fear the truth, because it only reveals your moral ineptitude and cowardice? If you are that pathetic then get out of the way so that “real†humans can fix the mess that you are so quick to accept.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:21 pmCraig,
The Democratic “strategy” is to make Mexicans hate Republicans without solving immigration or security.
The “strategy” is to not have or express an opinion on immigration or national security that would drive Mexicans to the Republican voting machine.
It is very simple.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:21 pmWe either need to stop doing things like supporting murderers around the world and spending the same type of money on helping people as we do killing them OR … we need a fence that is manned by robots, electricity fences, flying drones, fire proof aligators in firey moats, etc… Either we get people on our side again or else we will need to be able to stop them from getting their revenge on us…
July 13th, 2006 at 2:21 pmMr. Bush, build up this wall.
-The Ghost of Stalin
July 13th, 2006 at 2:22 pmB. Thornton,
Of course a wall works.
That’s why Republicans and Democrats dismiss it.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:23 pmPost 82 > I am NOT against security on the Mexican border, or even fencing, but NOT an electrified cattle wall to keep out Mexican illegals! The GOP guy equated the poor of Mexico as livestock > means he is racist! I find it odd that Bush helps the pal of the Mexican elite, Calderon, to get into the presidency by fraud, who wants the border wide open so another 10 million desperate poor are forced to cross it, but if Bush had supported Obrador, then he would create jobs in Mexico so the border issue would be resolved?!
July 13th, 2006 at 2:23 pmEither we get people on our side again or else we will need to be able to stop them from getting their revenge on us…
Comment by Gerald Gibson — July 13, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
Pay attention trolls - this is a HUGE part of the problem we have… not people from Mexico looking for a job…
July 13th, 2006 at 2:25 pmDLC
You’re an idiot.
1> Despite many many requests for more security in our ports, they are still the most viable method for sneaking a bomb into this country. Millions of cargo containers pour into our ports daily.
2> A wall would need be built around the entire USA. Why couldnt a terrorist just take a short boat trip from canada/mexio around the fence?
3> A fake ID/Passport will get you in to this country via plane, boat, train, donkey. I guess you think terrorists will show their true ID’s?
The best way we can secure our borders from terrorists is to get rid of this administration who supports terrorism. They’re in 2 countries now creating more terrorists.
Stop supporting Isreal.
Help Mexico create jobs.
Now DLC I hear your mom calling you for lunch, better get out of the basement, stop playing counterstrike.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:25 pmOf course a wall works.
That’s why Republicans and Democrats dismiss it.
Comment by Destroy the DLC
Actually no it does not. I watched on Fox propoganda hour the other day where they were talking about putting up a wall and was showing a wall that has been built… and there were people climbing right over it. But how are they going to get past an electric fence? Watch TV probably… there has been many shows depicting people getting past them. I think the land mine thing might work though … and laser armed robots.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:26 pmYeah, that wall in Isreal is doing a really great job of defending them…. It works especially well on things that fly…
July 13th, 2006 at 2:26 pmDLC,
Republicans are the party of hate, you love to spread it, so don’t worry about a few mexicans hating you, the world hates you.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:28 pmStop supporting Isreal.
Help Mexico create jobs.
Comment by DenverDem — July 13, 2006 @ 2:25 pm
Well said!
July 13th, 2006 at 2:29 pmthen there’s the matter of asian people being smuggled in containers in ocean bound freighters…I live near a major port city, and some of these containers have landed right there at the Port of Seattle….the same containers that the Republicant congress rejected to be checked before reaching our home ports.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:30 pm#76
i know border security is needed. and where, just where in my statement did i say otherwise. folks here love to twist and insert words that simply are not there. so enforce the laws!!!! why has bush cut homeland security fund? do lyou really think tunnel diggers are going to be stopped by a wall? ok, then build a wall and get rid of INS, cuz obviously they can’t, won’t, don’t do their job. why is the gov. hiring illegal workers? i’ll tell ya, slave labor. and why not, it’s hell of alot cheaper. the gov is hiring and putting these illegal workers, knowing they are illegal, on our bases to build CO (commisioned officer) housing and other facilities ON OUR MILITARY BASES DURING THE TIME OF WAR. come on folks. this is obsurd. this gov. knows what it is doing. look at katrina. all those lousiana natives were waiting for a job and thinking the rebuilding would put them back on their feet. these jobs without a question should have gone to them, but NOOOOO. who did bushy bring in, the illegal mexicans and alot of them were already here but still illegal. the gov. does not give a shit because it is making him and his cronies richer. what makes it so bad they get on t.v and admit to it. why outsource out of country or out of state? bushy boy doesn’t want security. this is such bs. what will it take for this to end, don’t know. ask jeb, he married a mexican so bushy needs to save them all.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:30 pmthat word - outsource. I recall battling a conservative who believed outsourcing is GOOD?!
July 13th, 2006 at 2:32 pmB.Thorton,
The only standing upon which you would be able to make your claim of -
“NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO COME HERE, JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO.â€
- would be if you were a “Native Americanâ€. You know, those folks who lived in relative peace on that continent before all of the “civilized” Europeans came and killed them off and herded them into “reservationsâ€?
However, I know you not to be a Native American because they did not believe in land ownership or borders. Your false sanctimony and blatant racism are deplorable to see in practice. You should be ashamed of yourself, but that would require a conscience. Please obtain one as soon as possible.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:32 pmBorder security is one piece of the puzzle. And you foks do a tremendous disservice when you minimize it just because there are other security flaws.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:33 pmThe fence will look great as it runs through Big Bend National Park. What an idiot!
July 13th, 2006 at 2:33 pm“NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO COME HERE, JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO.â€
how about if an iraqi said that….
July 13th, 2006 at 2:34 pmAs usual, the right wing wants to pin the blame on the people coming here for the jobs (since they make zero contrbutions to the GOP), not the people in this country who are supplying the jobs that give the people coming here the incentive to leave their homeland (they do give to the GOP).
When I was a kid in southern New Jersey in the late’60s-early’70s I lived in a town that saw a wave of Hispanic people move to the area because farmers were hiring them for cheap labor. So of course, local residents (fueled partly by racism) blamed the underpaid Hispanics for a general decline in the town’s quality of life, not the farmers who lured them here or the half-assed town leadership.
Want to cut down on illegal immigration? Crack down on the employers, not the potential employees. Make them pay a living wage that would be more incentive for Americans to take the jobs (especially now that this country manufactures hardly anything).
July 13th, 2006 at 2:35 pmComment by ironchef — July 13, 2006 @ 2:34 pm
was that last sentence really called for????
July 13th, 2006 at 2:36 pmStop supporting Isreal.
Help Mexico create jobs.
Comment by DenverDem — July 13, 2006 @ 2:25 pm
Well said!
Comment by unbelievable
Well said indeed…. there are two ways to stop forwards movement of a force … a wall … and change the center of gravity so that the force flows the other way…. if America used it capitalistic abilities and maybe even put a little money into it we could make Mexico a much more viable place to live for all these people and so they will be less likely to come here… think about all the things the mexicans say they come here for and then make those same things in Mexico… now no more reason to come … nor bitch when we take drastic actions to protect the borders.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:37 pmThis is what Republicans think of people(could be you or us if so determined by Republicans).
How will they fence off the opposition political party when they deem it time to.
Better stay on their good side.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:39 pmThe canadians are educated far more than us, they are employed probably as much as us, if not moreso, and their economy is much more stable, (…)
Comment by ironchef — July 13, 2006 @ 1:53 pm
As true as this might be, you are ignoring the fact that the wall is part of a “border security” strategy touted by some politicians. “Border security” being code words for “keeping terrorists out”.
If that is really the issue, if security is indeed the goal, it is obvious that neglecting the northern border is a huge, gaping hole in said “border security”. Unless that is, terrorists do not have access to maps to find out the US has more than one border.
On the other hand, if the goal is to keep illegal immigrants out of the US, it seems to me the best way to do it is trough enforcing existing laws as other commenters have already mentioned before me: Law enforcement agencies should impose fines and other penalties to employers who hire illegal immigrants.
Without legal deterrents on those employers, people will find a way to cross the border by other means, e.g., trains, trucks, cars, tunnels, because the lure of higher wages is too tempting to ignore.
In short, ironchef, the fence is a costly, ineffectual means for dealing with illegal immigration or border security. It is one of those “wedge issues” fueled by a healthy dose of xenophobia.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:39 pmFirst:
Then:
Troll alert!
July 13th, 2006 at 2:40 pmHumanist,
The problem is that you still believe this to be true.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:40 pm#115-ironchef,
Which question did I not answer? Which truth do you dispute?
Now, in regard to your devoid of intelligence statement requesting that I speak no further truths and perish, you betray only your own cowardice and ignorance for all the world to see. I am sorry for you that the truth frightens you so, but I will not engage in childish banter with you.
May peace be with you.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:41 pm#89
i’m conservative in some areas and i’m liberal in others. i’m a realist. and don’t need to be in a ‘group’ or part of a ‘party’ to make me feel i’m somebody. i often wonder why alot of folks in here consider this admin. conservative. i don’t get it. these folks are everything but conservative/republican, liberal/democrat. these folks are self-riteous, fascists, and criminals. i don’t give a shit if what ticket they run under. it is wrong, it is wrong no matter how you twist it or flip it.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:43 pmHumanist - May peace be with you too. Blessings.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:44 pmThe mouth that roars has growled again. Ann Coulter now calls for the execution of the NYT’s editor.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:46 pmHumanist,
July 13th, 2006 at 2:46 pmYou make my ass hurt. Take it somewhere else, please. Isn’t there a Unicorn/crystal/medieval theme park you need to be at?
#124-Spudge,
July 13th, 2006 at 2:47 pmWith respect, I disagree. The problem is not that I believe in the ideals and structures so beautifully crafted and displayed in your Constitution. The problem is that too many of the citizens of the United States of America do not believe in their Constitution. What’s worse, I fear, is that there are far too many Americans who do not even understand what it says. Or, for that matter, what it means.
If ironchef is so intuned with the third planet from the sun, which species of plants and animals does he decide to kill on a daily basis to sustain himself?
And if Canada is so bliss, why did they just elect a conservative?
July 13th, 2006 at 2:47 pmSeems like if we simply remove any chance of an illegal getting a job in the US, the problem would solve itself (mostly). So after getting laws against companies that severely fine them for even hiring 1 illegal, we then need to enforce the law. At that point, simply beefing up border patrol to 40,000-50,000 strong should eliminate those pushing drugs over the border.
Seems like a very simple problem to solve. Sadly, neither side wants to make this simple for some reason.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:48 pm#129-Destroy,
July 13th, 2006 at 2:49 pmI suggest then that you try thinking with your head.
It would be easier to just build a stainless steel fence
around the White House. More cost effective, too.
I’d certainly support electrifying that one, as well.
It would keep the boy king at home where he can do
less damage globally, and they could do to livestock
whatever it is they do in Texas & Wyoming.
Poor goats & cows…what did they ever do to the Right?
July 13th, 2006 at 2:50 pmThe fence is not to keep them out. It is to keep us in after this becomes a total police state.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:50 pmJust wondering since Rep. King’s head is cut off in the pic, does that mean he has horns sticking out of the top of his head or something? Just curious > lol.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:50 pm- ironchef:
Yes, it’s easy to say “Just fix Mexico and we won’t need a wall!†Yippee! Yes, that is the best plan..but guess what? They’re a sovereign nation who we have no right to barge into and do a regime change
Well, you might want to tell Dubya that, then, because ‘barging in an ddoing a regime change’ is exactly what he’s doing right now by attempting to fix the election for his mini-me Obrador.
(By the way, are you gonna answer that question of mine? Funny how you demand a laundry list of answers from Humanist, and when he gives them to you you complain that they’re ‘evasions’, but I ask one little question and you avoid me like the plague….odd, that…)
July 13th, 2006 at 2:50 pmHow many have read the Declaration of Independence? OMG - all too familiar - history repeating itself, and I fear it will take some AMAZING feat to get these criminals out of washington. HEED THE WORDS.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:51 pmPost 136 > if you see the machine gun nest nests pointed toward the US, then the wall is to keep us Bush slaves from fleeing into Mexico?!
July 13th, 2006 at 2:52 pmwe spend more money in waste and destruction than we give to mankind. so why not put the money in the infrastructure of mexico instead of a wall. enforce laws=make employers accountable for hiring illegals. make the federal gov. accountable for hiring illegals. if we owe anything to anyone it would be the indians and black folks.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:52 pmHumanist,
July 13th, 2006 at 2:53 pmI knew you had it in you.
Wow. Just wow. The American Iron Curtain. “Land of the free” my ass…
July 13th, 2006 at 2:54 pmthe national guard, can see that for border protection. but right now they are caught up in iraq. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE-THAT IS WHAT I KNOW RIGHT NOW.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:55 pmit’s really embarrassing to be an american sometimes. I try and try to hold onto some kind of hope, but as the days go on and on, no relief that I can see, I would, if I could afford to, expatriot myself to the country of my mom’s ancestry, which has a grown up society.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:55 pmHow come these same jerkoffs don’t complain about all the illegal armenians and Russians in Los Angeles?
Anybody ever see an Armenian gang member? They are brutal little f**ks. If we are serious about deporting illegals, we need to look at Armenians as well.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:56 pmHumanist is no better than the neo cons he hates. It only shows how elitist folks like him are when they label me with the neo con liars and their liberal enablers (Hilary).
July 13th, 2006 at 2:57 pm“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality,”
Does that make you feel any better, madashell?
July 13th, 2006 at 2:57 pmHumanist is in a constant siezure state brought on by the black light posters and glow in the dark model unicorns.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:00 pm-
Ok people, sorry for stirring this thread up so much. I’ll exit now acknowledging two things.
You gutless little worm.
Address my question or be subscribed as a coward.
Humanist is a poo-poo face
God, you really are reprehensible, aren’t you?
July 13th, 2006 at 3:01 pmComment by ironchef
No one said anything about barging into peoples countries. If we took the $150 billion bush wants to send into Iraq later this year and said Mexico look what we got … and you can have alot of it if you help us help you …. You are embarressingly emotional. This is not an emotional issue. HOW do you change the actions of humans? How do you encourage them to act differently? Republicans usually say shoot them. The non crazy people usually look for ways to encourage the people to make the choice on their own… and that means being cold and calculating. It means looking at all the inputs and engineering an output that is in your favor. All this hooting and howlering might work in a dixie confederate flag flying hoe down, but that is not how you intelligently solve problems.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:01 pmi often wonder why alot of folks in here consider this admin. conservative. i don’t get it. these folks are everything but conservative/republican, liberal/democrat. these folks are self-riteous, fascists, and criminals.
Comment by bs
There you go, that’s not a statement a “realist” would make, but a NUT……. How much money should WE give to mankind? Why are WE the ones who have to build Mexico? Build the damn wall because Mexico refuses to control its own side of the border. Increase enforcement of current laws, but still build the wall.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:04 pmAnd then we could send ‘em back to Mexico stuffed in cattle cars…
July 13th, 2006 at 3:04 pmi think that cattle prods, fire hoses, and attack dogs would be a good thing to add…. hey, it worked in birmingham, didn’t it? well, it may not have worked all the time, but, it sure was FUN….
yours, from the grave, i remain
gov. george wallace
July 13th, 2006 at 3:04 pmThe U.S. Senate was asked to increase funding for rail security in this country. The majority said no.†(from a new TP thread)
Clearly, the Republicans are not worried about our security..
July 13th, 2006 at 3:05 pmI can just picture in my head King’s wall being built for like a hundred miles in the middle of the Arizona desert and then abandoned > It would just become a relic of stupidity! Mexicans would spray paint nasty words on both sides of it too > lol.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:05 pmI live in SoCal, so I’m physically close to the issue. This guy is as ignorant as they get. Why don’t we just exhume the folks who built the Great Wall of China…or the Berlin Wall…and see if they can help us with this one?!
July 13th, 2006 at 3:06 pmThe cheaper, more simple solution for now is a wall. it sends not only a direct message to those looking at it as they plan their illegal migration, it also sends a deeper message to those who would like to cross that we mean business..even if it’s just this minimal approach.
Comment by ironchef
Sending messages did a lot of good in Vietnam to didnt it? You want to send a message? Open Outlook Express and start typing away. If you want to solve a problem then you need problem solving skills… heated retoric and emotional outbursts and racist chest thumping dont cut it.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:06 pmTime to build an electrified fence from the banks of the Potomac to around the Mall, the Capitol, all the way down to RFK stadium to keep the Congresscriminals inside the House and Senate Office buildings.
Don’t let them out, they’re dangerous.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:09 pmnote to self: send peter an email and see if we could make the razor wire poisionous… also check if we can use some sort of radioactive material to the wall the immigrants will make for us…
July 13th, 2006 at 3:09 pm#157 - Yep. Almost seems they WANT us to get hit hard so they can get reelected by blaming any attack on the libs.
More proof it’s time to start voting for the best CANDIDATE whether they be party based or independent. So if you are a rightie and you hate the GOP choice, feel free to cross party lines and vote for GOOD people. We need to accept that nobody will ever agree 100% with anybody, so as long as we realize this, we will find a way to get SOLUTIONS to problems vs. talking about it and blaming the other side :(
July 13th, 2006 at 3:11 pm#149-Beadyeyeguy,
It is as irresponsible as it is disrespectful to claim to speak for someone. I can assure you, without reservation, that you do not, and are not qualified to, speak for me.
I do not “hate†anyone and I will not accept anyone making that claim on my behalf. Correct yourself, beadyeyeguy, and provide the apology to myself and this group for which your blatant indiscretion warrants.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:11 pmThis has got to be the stupidest thing I’ve seen in Congress in a long time.
What’s to stop anyone from blowing a hole right in that thing with a single stick of dynamite?
How the hell are migrant animals supposed to migrate?
It won’t happen, but seeing people trying to actually do it is laughable.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:12 pmHumanist,
You will find that just about everybody here (right wingers included) feel the same way about the US Constitution. The problem is our leaders do not. George W. Bush said “it’s just a goddamn piece of paper” He has also stated that he would like to be a dictator three different times.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:12 pmGWB is such a freakin’ dweeb…all he really cares about is being written about in history books…I don’t think he realizes what infamous means.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:14 pm#160
Racist chest thumping? No one on here said anything racist. You spent so much energy on your problem solving skills you forgot your basic english skills.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:14 pmHumanist…NOPE not gonna do it.
I want an apology for you lumping ME in with the neo cons and their liar friends. Why is it you people assume ALL Americans support this crap? YOU generalize me. You pretend to speak for me when you say US AMERICANS. Sorry bud, you don’t LIVE here, you don’t KNOW me and I find it offensive YOU seem to think we all approve of the crap that Bush shovels.
Sorry friend, I don’t apologize for what I said, I have a right to say it and you prove you are no better than the neo-cons when you demand an apology for an OPINION.
Guess what? I wasn’t anymore disrespectful to you than you were by generalizing me as somebody who approves of the crap going on in Washington.
So until you stop generalizing, I will not apologize for calling it like I see it.
Good day.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:16 pm#166-Spudge,
I agree. And just so you know, my hea