Gingrich: ‘This Is, In Fact, World War III’ And The U.S. ‘Ought To Be Helping’
Gingrich: ‘This Is, In Fact, World War III’ And The U.S. ‘Ought To Be Helping’
This morning on Meet the Press, Newt Gingrich argued we have entered World War III and that the United States ought to engage the effort by “helping the Lebanese government have the strength to eliminate Hezbollah as a military force.” Watch it:
As Matt Stoller points out, Gingrich was also quoted today suggesting that President Bush should be framing the current violence as World War III for the benefit of the fall elections.
Full transcript:
GINGRICH: We’re in the early stages of what I would describe as the third World War and, frankly, our bureaucracy’s not responding fast enough and we don’t have the right attitude. And this is the 58th year of the war to destroy Israel and, frankly, the Israelis have every right to insist that every single missile leave south Lebanon, and the United States ought to be helping the Lebanese government have the strength to eliminate Hezbollah as a military force — not as a political force in the parliament — but as a military force in south Lebanon.
RUSSERT: This is World War III?
GINGRICH: I believe if you take all the countries I just listed that you’ve been covering, put them on a map, look at all the different connectivity, you have to say to yourself: this is, in fact, World War III.
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Well, it certainly could escalate into WWIII… Hopefully it won’t.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:38 pmIt is election time and we need more War and terrorism!!!
Karl must be happy as hell!
July 16th, 2006 at 2:40 pmwhoa…this is crazy talk.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:40 pmJust another excuse to have our way with the world.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:41 pmGod damn, I said GOD DAMN the pusher man!
July 16th, 2006 at 2:42 pmbut of course, if it’s not crazy talk, we can introduce the analogy to WW 1. And if we do, me thinks the assassination of the Archduke can be linked quite nicely with the US deciding to take out Saddam. Please, tawk amongst yourselves…
July 16th, 2006 at 2:42 pmGingrich can get his fat cowardly body over to the Middle East to fight and die for Israel!
July 16th, 2006 at 2:44 pmOh boy beware of Seixon taking over this thread > bye everyone!
July 16th, 2006 at 2:45 pmAnyone else think this might be a HUGE miscalculation by the right to try and characterize this as WWIII?
I don’t think that’s something the American public will enjoy hearing. However, think about what position it puts Democrats in. Do they really want to be arguing “There’s no way this is World War III!” only to have Republicans call them “soft on terror”. See the trap?
July 16th, 2006 at 2:50 pm- DrSinker:
Anyone else think this might be a HUGE miscalculation by the right to try and characterize this as WWIII?
Indeed…if you still believe that the right’s goal is to avoid conflict. However, if their goal is to foment conflict, their calculations are right on the money.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:55 pmTripMaster,
I suspect it also plays to the Rapture folks. I don’t know, I’m just hoping the public at large rejects the idea wholesale for what it is: unadulterated warmongering.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:58 pmAnyone else think this might be a HUGE miscalculation by the right to try and characterize this as WWIII?
Sure, if that’s what they’re going to attempt, although I don’t think Gingrich speaks on behalf of the whole right side of the aisle lately.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:59 pmSo much for hopes of keeping this a limited conflict…
Gingrich May Run in 2008 If No Front-Runner Emerges
By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 10, 2006; Page A04
Former House speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) expects to run for president in 2008 if the contest for the Republican nomination still seems wide open late next year, he said yesterday.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:02 pmI don’t think that’s something the American public will enjoy hearing. However, think about what position it puts Democrats in. Do they really want to be arguing “There’s no way this is World War III!†only to have Republicans call them “soft on terrorâ€. See the trap?
Comment by DrSinker
If democrats keep falling for that they are idiots. There are two types of people against world war… cowards and wisemen. By constantly acting the coward by backing from such chest thumping talk it is starting to make me believe that they are either 1) idiots that cannot articulate themselves enough to express the wisdom of avoiding war.
OR
2) they really are cowards that just dont want to fight unless a republican leads the way…
July 16th, 2006 at 3:04 pmGerald,
My vote woud be for the articulation side. However, a message first has to resonate with the public. I’m not certain “This is World War III” will grow legs. Of course, much depends on the extent to which things continue to escalate, but right now – I think cooler heads will prevail.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:08 pmProgs keep telling me they are so insightful and intelligent, I thought their geography skills would be much better. New York, London, Toronto, Madrid, Bali, India, Russia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan….correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t ALL these places spread AROUND the world? I thought they had all been attacked or were currently engaged in battle…Silly me….
July 16th, 2006 at 3:13 pmBlow up everyone. Bring on the war. Jesus is coming back. The more tragedy and death the better it is for God fearing Goopers. Kill civilians, drop nukes. Bring Russia nad China into the mix. Bomb Iran. Syria. North Korea. make this world a hell on earth!
Yippee.
Praise Jesus the Apocalpyse is here!
-GSD
July 16th, 2006 at 3:18 pmYou cant call it a World War, when its only three Middle Eastern countries…
July 16th, 2006 at 3:18 pmProgs keep telling me they are so insightful and intelligent, I thought their geography skills would be much better. New York, London, Toronto, Madrid, Bali, India, Russia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan….correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t ALL these places spread AROUND the world?-ma
I think the question is why what we’d been told was the “War on Terror” has suddenly changed to “WWIII”. Perhaps because we don’t appear to be winning the former. New label, new game, start over???
July 16th, 2006 at 3:19 pmDear AKADAD – See, read and memorize #15 – that way you won’t impart misinformation and half-truths to the AKAkids.
Dear DR. – See above – and pull out a map. Spinning a globe around can be fun AND educational….
July 16th, 2006 at 3:23 pmProgs keep telling me they are so insightful and intelligent, I thought their geography skills would be much better. New York, London, Toronto, Madrid, Bali, India, Russia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan….correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t ALL these places spread AROUND the world? I thought they had all been attacked or were currently engaged in battle…Silly me….
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Same for gangs, mobsters, murderers, thiefs, drug dealers, etc… there is on going crime everywhere… the difference is that most of the areas you mentioned are not one sided acts of crime…. in Israel their aggression towards their neighbors for several decades now is the root cause of their own problems and many of Americas as well… in Indonesia there are ongoing soveriegnty disputes .. Chechna same thing… And this has been the case for thousands of years… unlike one sided crime all of these people fighting for land or soverignty each have a valid complaint… and so it cannot just be wiped out, but IS at least solvable… you cant stop a individual from being a murderer by talking them into a place of acceptable agreement… but with groups of people you can…. but that is all besides the point … these are all unrelated fights that have been going on for a long time … NOT a world war… and for you to even suggest as such shows how ignorant you are.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:25 pmI don’t know why anyone would even give the time of day to Newt Gingrich. He has been thouroughly discredited on a number of fronts besides being a serial adulterer.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:27 pm#19, yes. I have been wondering why the push to define this as a much broader conflict, i.e. WWIII, especially by a person on the Right who still has political aspirations.
A broader conflict increases the fear level.
A broader conflict justifies more carnage.
A broader conflict justifies imposing greater hardships, i.e. increased costs, fewer civil liberties at home.
A broader conflict justifies a draft.
A broader conflict increases the power of a War-Time President.
A broader conflict increases the profits of the War Industry.
And, 29% of the American people will blindly accept that we are, in fact, already in WWIII.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:28 pmSometime in the future Newt will either say “I told you so” or “aren’t you glad I was wrong?”
he’s just another idiot.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:30 pmAKADAD and Dr. – After you get done reading and memorizing #15 – NOW proceed to #16, commit it to memory, and write it verbatim 25 times. Mini-Aphrodite asked if I had written 15 instead of 16 – such a darling little thing – I explained, “no some people need a bit longer to get through the material, so we’ll be patient with them.”
Happy Sunday to all… it’s time for the beach!
July 16th, 2006 at 3:31 pmThese wingnuts WANT WWIII and the end of the world! They think they’ll be “saved”! HAHAHAHA.
Morons.
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Why are there no Wal-Marts in Iraq?
They’re all Targets!
July 16th, 2006 at 3:31 pmIt sounds from a repug way of thinking, the right course of action. But I think the advantage to the dems is if you trumpet the WWIII horns, it will bring up the greater fear of a draft. It’s painfully obvious that we don’t have enough troops to fight in Iraq & Afghanistan, yet alone WWIII. All in all, if Newt and company play that card, they’ll lose it all.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#20
Lumping all terrorists into one label and calling it World War 3 still wont make it so…
July 16th, 2006 at 3:34 pmIt’s painfully obvious that we don’t have enough troops to fight in Iraq & Afghanistan, yet alone WWIII.-fast
I don’t know – not sure it’s obvious to the majority. The military has been able to hit its recruiting targets, for the most part, by lowering standards. But they can always point to the numbers and say: “Look, we don’t need a draft.”
I think the reality is that where the Repubs would have us invading/attacking a bunch of these places, they just don’t have the political courage when it comes to admitting a draft would be necessary. The problem, of course, is that the Dems aren’t very good at making such a nuanced point.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:41 pmLucinda,
For the most part, the debate here has been good so far, with people ignoring Seixon and mighty aphrodite. Please don’t engage them. I know you realize it’s useless, no?
July 16th, 2006 at 3:42 pmCNN is now reporting that eight Canadian citizens have been killed in Israeli air strikes.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:48 pm#5 GD; f*cking A-straight man.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:54 pm#32
For the most part, the debate here has been good so far, with people ignoring Seixon and mighty aphrodite. Please don’t engage them. I know you realize it’s useless, no?
I understand where you are coming from, but I have to respectfully disagree with “engaging them is useless”.
You cant just let distortions, half-truths, and blatent lies go unchallenged. Look at how they have lied about “liberals”, because liberals had let their garbage go unchallenged.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:55 pmDid you see how like right at the end he seemed proud of himself and was like thinking “YEAH! I so did not mess up the script. I’m so good. Gringrich, you are a propoganda machine.”
July 16th, 2006 at 4:01 pmAka – the majority of people here can see the posts of the 29% and recognize them for what they are. Those who can’t are part of the 29% and whatever you or I say won’t phase them in the least.
It is fascinating; if you do let the distortions, half-truths, and blatent lies go unchallenged they just sort of hang there like the ravings of a lunatic who wanders the streets arguing with invisible demons.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:05 pmLook at how they have lied about “liberalsâ€, because liberals had let their garbage go unchallenged.-AkaDad
Public discussion is one thing, a progressive blog another. Just point out trolls when they appear: full stop. A number of us have seen a lot of useful discussion get hijacked for no good reason. Part of this is due to the trolls, but an equal part is people not understanding how to respond to them.
If you still wish to do so, I suggest focusing only on the content (if any) in the posts. The other stuff really should be obvious for what it is to any of the regulars here. If you’re really interested in discourse, hopefully you’ll become a regular.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:09 pmLet’s see…
War works for these people
Chaos works for these people
Treating poor Americans like animals works for these people
Torture works for these people.
Death and destruction works for these people
If these are the Christians, what the hell would the Satanist be promoting?
July 16th, 2006 at 4:09 pmBnF,
Looks like we were on the same page. Nice post.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:10 pmConservative/evangelical Christianity.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:19 pm41 – you too.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:19 pmThis is the story
The Isrealis have been killing palestinians for the last year and a half , every second day on the news “Isreali helicopter gunship kills suspected hamas terrorists” This is lies and propaganda mostly civilians have been killed
Then Isreal killed Palestinians on the beach ” which isreal denies as they do every attack” even shooting the british peace activist
Palestinians Have had a cease fire for 18 months UNTIL that beach attack which was proven by sheel fragments it was the Isrealis – As a response Hamas fired 8 rockets into isreal killing no-one …..
HOW CAN ANYONE SAY HAMAS STARTED THIS
ITS AMERICAS NEW WAY TO GET TO IRAN – which today Iran said it aggrees to the offer with Europe – with talks
July 16th, 2006 at 4:24 pmIt won’t be WWIII unless we oblige them.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:28 pm[...] Newt Gingrich calls the Israelezbolahbanonyrian conflict World War III, and boldly reminding us all why we kinda dispise him, encourages Bush to do the same… for the sake of the midterms. Newt must have not gotten the message, though, because World War III started about five years ago, according to the president. The world is still not ending, though. asshole, bush, news, politics, terror world [...]
July 16th, 2006 at 4:36 pmIf theres 25,000 Americans living in lebanon
July 16th, 2006 at 4:44 pmsurely Hezbullah would be shoooting Americans or blowing them up
FACT they are not so theres no terrorism in lebanon,Only tick for tack against Isreali
Killers
I saw this episode on Meet the Press. Joe Biden was on with him, and took him to the cleaners on the comment that we are in WWIII. This is nothing more than the usual warmongering of the neocons that has gone on since they rose to power. It is their only card and they play it at every hand. There are other nations that have been hit by terrorist, such as the UK, Spain, Indonesia, Russia, India, etc., and I do not hear THEM claiming we are in WWIII. Newt is a has been, that thinks with this type rhetoric, he can get back into the ball game. Sorry Newt, the game is over!
July 16th, 2006 at 4:45 pmPlanet Earth Killfest is under way! Proudly brought to you by the Neo-Cons at PNAC. Also brought to you by Bushco where we will destroy for your entertainment everything we deem undemocratic, unchristian and, by God, un-American. We encourage all to sign up and sign on to the evergrowing list of conflicts around the world! A great christian environment for the entire family! Watch and learn how we can initiate and maintain several conflicts at once while barely lifting a finger. At the PNAC and at Bushco we simply instigate and appropriate! Join now and receive special consideration for the promised rapture to the heavens! Imagine gently floating up, up and away with George Bush and Dick Cheney at your side! A truly wonderful experience and great family fun!
Yes, Bushco and the PNAC are determined and delighted to destroy all it encompasses to bring you even more killfests. Bushco and the PNAC are happy to bring democracy and freedom to the world in a blaze of glory!
And don’t forget, coming soon, the Great American Gasoline Killfest to a neighborhood filling station near you!
July 16th, 2006 at 4:51 pmDidn’t the Newt leave office in disgrace? Wasn’t he shown to be a criminal? Why do people listen to an obvious moron?
July 16th, 2006 at 4:55 pmThis smacks of the term Conservatives Without Conscience, what John Dean refers to as the need for Authoritarians to instill fear in their followers to maintain power. If this is WW3 then Bush has made the US the bad guy. To support Rupublicans would be to put us in more danger.
Besides, Newt the Moron must have been watching The Daily Show last Thursday when John Stewart said the same thing.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:01 pmThe ELECTION approaches. Time to catapult the fear.
Not only is it WWIII, but it’s the bird flu, suicide bomber, west nile, anthrax, mad cow, globlal warming, supervolcano ,George Bush, rapture.
Most people realize the greatest thing we have to fear is George Bush himself.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:01 pmI believe that this will expand the action from Afghanistan and Iraq to include Syria and Iran, who have been supporting the insurgents in Afghanistan and Iraq. This was inevitable and necessary to stablize the region.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:07 pm#21 – “…. in Israel their aggression towards their neighbors for several decades now is the root cause of their own problems and many of Americas as well…” Gerhard Gibson
******You mean the aggression Israel engaged in when she won the Gaza and Sinai after being attacked on THREE SIDES?? You mean the aggression Israel engaged in when they agreed to give that PIG AraFAT over 90% of his demands in a peace accord – and the PIG said it wasn’t enough?? You mean the aggression of blowing up Saddam’s nuclear facility??? Perhaps you think it was aggressive for Israel to remove the settlers from the Gaza Strip (as they returned the Sinai Penninsula)?
Gerald, If you would pull your nose out of pro-terrorist websites and anti-Jewish websites,you might learn something and you wouldn’t sound like a neo-Nazi….
July 16th, 2006 at 5:08 pmI really don’t think anyone wants this situation to escalate, but I don’t think it’s prudent to allow terrorists and miscreants to threaten the sovereign territory of Israel. It’s not as though Hezbollah and Hamas are a knitting group of grandmothers who Israel is indiscriminately going after. Hezbollah continues to fire rockets, unguided rockets mind you, into Israeli cities with no other intention than inflicting civilian causalities and death.
If we are uncomfortable with the US supporting Israel in this conflict, what should we do?
Should the US be backing Hezbollah in this conflict?
July 16th, 2006 at 5:15 pmWasn’t some other warmongering pundit months back already proclaiming that the conflict our country started in Iraq was WWIII? So Gingrich, when not engaging in wishful thinking, is already late with his decidering.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:19 pm“…brought to you by PNAC“
July 16th, 2006 at 5:25 pmThis is another result of the horrible foreign policy misjudgements of the Bush administration.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:26 pmNot being fully involved in this part of the middle east discord, is caused by being overwhelmed by the Iraq morass. History will blame him for the state of the world after he is gone. Hopefully God will save us from further damage, and send us a democrat to show the way to peace. Maybe Jesus will appear and show the way……….
#60 – So Hamas and Hezbollah cross the Israeli border to kidnap soldiers because of President Bush’s “foreign policy misjudgements”?
At least that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:28 pm60 – So Hamas and Hezbollah cross the Israeli border to kidnap soldiers because of President Bush’s “foreign policy misjudgementsâ€?
At least that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.
Comment by Chase — July 16, 2006 @ 5:28 pm
No but it very likely that it has emboldened Israel, to be far more aggressive than necessary, due to the fact that it will be much harder for Iran to aid in protecting Syria if Israel makes good on it’s promise to attack Damascus. With Iraq under US control, what country will give them flyover rights. Also, even though Iraq and Iran were/are enemies, they would likely find a common enemy in Israel under an event like a major attack on Syria.
C’mon buddy boy… i’s not that hard to figure out is it? You’ll get it eventually.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:38 pmThanks anyway Newt, the world does not need your help. Of course, if you really want to do something positive, a ‘45 caliber shell to your skull would make a world of difference.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:40 pm- Chase:
So Hamas and Hezbollah cross the Israeli border to kidnap soldiers because of President Bush’s “foreign policy misjudgements�
Please read through this and then try to assert with such conviction that Hamas and Hezbollah are soley…or even primarily… at fault for this conflict.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:42 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — July 16, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
This is from the same guy who said the people in Guantanamo didn’t have any rights under the Constitution. Seems the Supreme Court disagreed with him on that one.
The sad thing is 29% of the population will blindly buy the argument that World War III is inevitable and necessary.
They’re just going to be in for one hell of a surprise when the “rapture” comes in the form of a mushroom cloud.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:49 pmTripMaster, good link. but the conflict goes back way further. I did a fair amount of research a few years ago in preparation for writing an opretta on the situation. In contemporary times, it started in the early 1900’s with a Jewish immigration to Palestine using sometimes peaceful, sometimes forceful means.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:55 pm#64 – That’s a wonderful conspiracy theory – I’d put it right up there with the Grassy Knoll.
I also give it about as much credibility.
What I see, and what the reasonable world sees, are state-independent organizations that are Hell bent on destroying Israel. As they are woefully outmatched in weaponry, their only viable tactic is terrorism. Detonating explosive vests in street cafes, crossing borders to kidnap soldiers, and firing unguided missiles into Israeli cities are their modus operandi.
Lebanon is too weak to effectively contain the Hezbollah militants and in Palestine, Hamas is the government.
The United States should stay on the sidelines as long as Iran stays on the sidelines. I fear the time is approaching unfortunately, where Iran becomes an active participant.
Our demonstrated weakness in Iraq has emboldened Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran to attack our staunch and dependable ally. Those extremists believe that we are unwilling to defend the sovereignty of Israel from repeated violations by personnel and rockets.
July 16th, 2006 at 6:05 pm#64 – MonkeyTripe cites self-laothing American prof, Noam Chomsky as a way to explain the “poor, benighted Terrorist” point of view. How sophisticated (!) – but not very original.
“What’s happening in Gaza … begins with the Hamas election, back the end of January. Israel and the United States at once announced that they were going to punish the people of Palestine for voting the wrong way in a free election. And the punishment has been severe.”
*****Hamas would not have been elected if Yasser and his crew had not plundered the take from generous donor nations. Has anybody seen the Widow AraFAT anywhere except the bank or a boutique?? No, we have NO obligation to fund a terror enterprise which has a stated goal of wiping an ally off the map. The previous prisoner exchange foolishly undertaken by Israel did not engender any warm feelings – but it did reinforce the notion that Israel had an exposed Achilles tendon ripe for the strike.
“If someone complains about the abduction of a soldier from the oppressors, point out that: If there’s a conflict going on, aside physical war, not in a military conflict going on, abduction — if soldiers are captured, they are to be treated humanely. But it is not a crime at the level of capture of civilians and bringing them across the border into your own country. That’s a serious crime. And that’s the one that’s not reported. And, in fact, remember that — I mean, I don’t have to tell you that there are constant attacks going on in Gaza, which is basically a prison, huge prison, under constant attack all the time: economic strangulation, military attack, assassinations, and so on. In comparison with that, abduction of a soldier, whatever one thinks about it, doesn’t rank high in the scale of atrocities.”
*****Prof Chump neglects to mention the eight murdered soldiers taken out by Hezbollah, the number of americans killed by Hezbollah since 1983 or the tunnel into Israel under the border with Gaza. Why confuse someone with a singular point of view with facts?
July 16th, 2006 at 6:05 pmGingrich wants American boys to die for that little shit country Israel. Hizbollah is a resistance movement, like past resistance movements e.g. ANC, IRA who emerged to fight tyranny. Todays tyrants are America and Israel. Gingrich and other dumb ass Americans do not understand the innate desire of freedom movments to rid themselves of their hegemonists. Has he ever heard of the Founding Fathers and their noble fight against British tyrants ?
July 16th, 2006 at 6:08 pmStaying on topic = ignore dissenting opinions.
Ya gotta love Think Progress.
July 16th, 2006 at 6:08 pmI have been watching a German movie on the final days of Hitler in the bunker. Although there were doubters, it’s amazing how many loyalists were willing to die with him. Unfortunately we have a very, very sick political situation in the U.S. in which power for power’s sake has replaced all rational goals. Bush’s loyalists will die with him, figuratively or otherwise. Let’s not think irrational thoughts ourselves but work towards courageous solutions to the problem of an Executive branch completely out of control.
July 16th, 2006 at 6:10 pm#64 – That’s a wonderful conspiracy theory – I’d put it right up there with the Grassy Knoll.
I also give it about as much credibility.
Comment by Chase — July 16, 2006 @ 6:05 pm
Conspiracy theory? LOL!
Read this and then lets talk…
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
July 16th, 2006 at 6:13 pm- Chase:
That’s a wonderful conspiracy theory – I’d put it right up there with the Grassy Knoll.
I also give it about as much credibility.
Your characterizing the information I offered as ‘up there with the Grassy Knoll’ speaks volumes about your mindset.
If you don’t give credence to the last article I linked to, try this one (that is, if you have the courage to challenge your preconceived assumptions).
The United States should stay on the sidelines as long as Iran stays on the sidelines.
That’s the sanest thing I’ve seen in this entire thread. It’s truly a pity your opinion doesn’t dovetail with our government’s ulterior motives.
I fear the time is approaching unfortunately, where Iran becomes an active participant.
I fear the time where Iran is accused of being an active participant…because, after all, accusation = proof for this administration.
(Side note: Hezbollah is using rockets supplied by Iran…does this make Iran an ‘active participant’? to those who would argue in the affirmative, a reminder that
Israel’s arms were supplied by the U.S. is in order…)
Our demonstrated weakness in Iraq has emboldened Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran to attack our staunch and dependable ally.
Two things:
1) Iran isn’t involved yet. Please don’t jump the gun.
2) ’staunch and dependable ally’? You do know that there has never been a treaty between Isrrael and the U.S., right?
Those extremists believe that we are unwilling to defend the sovereignty of Israel from repeated violations by personnel and rockets.
Please read this and then get back to me about ‘extremists’. Kthx.
July 16th, 2006 at 6:36 pm#72 – I actually read though the unedited version a while back. I think my visceral complaints are more eloquently stated by James Taranto. Read that here.
In summation he argues the following, largely debunking the anti-Semitic article:
July 16th, 2006 at 6:38 pm
- mighty aphrodite:
Prof Chump neglects to mention the eight murdered soldiers taken out by Hezbollah, the number of americans killed by Hezbollah since 1983 or the tunnel into Israel under the border with Gaza.
Read this website and then get back to me about how evil Hezbollah and Hamas is.
And here’s an extra credit assignment for you: Google “Lavon Affair” and report what you find.
Class dismissed.
July 16th, 2006 at 6:43 pmZionists started it right after WWII… remember there was NO Israel for 2000 years. Rome destroyed Israel. The zionists did not just appear out of no where… they came from europe.
Now neither the zionists nor the arabs seem to have their own version of Ghandi nor MLK Jr. All they can do is call for revenge after revenge…. where are the supposed religious leaders from each side? What of the “peace makers” the christians of the world? All of them are either part of the revenge cycle or are MIA…
And America has no leader at this time … just more of the people involved in the revenge cycle.
Humanity at its most pathetic.
July 16th, 2006 at 7:02 pmGerald, the earliest emmigrants arrived shortly after WWI as I recall.
But America does have one leader at this time … a lone mother crying out against the insanity of war; someone who was hurt enough and devastated enough to no longer care about her own life, nor what others said about her, yet bold enough to hold those responsible for Bush’s War accountable.
July 16th, 2006 at 7:09 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire
Well if you want to talk about the normal ebb and flow of jews to the area then ya jews have been there for 2000 years… but that is totally different than the massive human trafficing effort the zionists operated after WWII … it was an intentional land grab. They were even bombing the british that were the “managers” of palastine at the time…. just like the arabs do against the Israelis now…
That land grab has brought the entire world to where it is today as far the ME violence goes…
July 16th, 2006 at 7:12 pmKnewt’s happen when 63% of the voting public are to lazy to vote……..Rove and bull shit bush are doing hand stands right now and hoping Israel will carry out their plan to try and bring Iran to it’s knees…..In the middle of it all are innocents and soldiers being killed by the hour….I believe this Israel thing is being pushed to cover up a loss in Iraq and continue fueling the fear tactic for the american public…….Israel as usual is playing the abused and yet the body count is far greater for all others in Lebanon and Palestine than for Israel. Of course they are claiming some one else threw the first stone..Not so by the new’s I have heard, but does it matter to the men, women and children that Israel has already killed…Good job, blowing up the air port so no one can escape except with US help…In the end the entire ME will be at war and the ones to benefit will be the one’s benefiting now, big business and politicians………..Blessings, we need them…Peace, we must demand it for all.
July 16th, 2006 at 7:14 pmIf this was America and someone had done the land grab to us… how long would we fight? Forever? Would we give in at somepoint and just let them have it? When will the arabs finally just give in? Never?
July 16th, 2006 at 7:14 pmYou expect her to do research? Have you learned nothing?
July 16th, 2006 at 7:25 pmGerald, an interesting twist to you last post…..Isn’t it the Saudi prince that bush is such good friends with, the same bunch that now have the DUBI ports deal.? Ah yes they do have the ports deal…Heard they coulden’t find a buyer so we are now owned by China (debt) and our ports by Dubi…..Werent some of these same Saudis the ones that funded the terrorests (9/11) The prince and his wife funded them..It was in all the papers and news. Lets see, bush has his hand up the dress of the Saudi prince and all these bad guys are in business with daddy bush and the Carlile group. Money changers and the best of friends. Now we throw rove into the mix, a mental defective that sees he’s loosing the war he helped make in Iraq and all the big players get nervious. What will they do about November.? Why. start another conflict ofcourse…..I’m not being critical of any posters here today, not you or any one else, just want to point out we are all being manipilated by some very evil people and in the end this lunitic bunch of warmongers may find a war and mass amount of people that they can no longer control with their baught media blitzes……Blessings
July 16th, 2006 at 7:33 pmLucinda and all, great posts……Blessings
July 16th, 2006 at 8:12 pm“Your flag decal won’t get you into heaven anymore,
It’s already overcrowded,
By your dirty little war.
And Jesus don’t like killin’
No matter what the reason for.
And you flag decal won’t get you
Into heaven anymore.”
John Prine
July 16th, 2006 at 8:15 pmReading these comments from a distance (ie Australia ), I cannot help feeling that
July 16th, 2006 at 8:23 pmyou live in a very brutalized society ! Brute force is the only instrument you like to use.
Principles are espoused but not practised.
What possesed your government to invade Iraq ? Your foreign policies are schizo
First you create Saddam then cry. This is just one of hundreds of bush fires you have started, what gives?
Until Israel recognizes the legitimate rights of the Palestinians who have been dispossesed over 40yrs ago, this ain’t going nowwhere. I don’t mean handover everything, but say, “hey, you guys did live here, we did drive you out and now we want to helpout” How much would it cost? Any more than the squillions wasted on self defence and war machines from both sides? Not to mention the wasted 40odd yrs of hate
Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.
Wow, you mean the UN hasn’t passed a resolution against a non-country? Wild and crazy stuff I tell you. With the UN in the tank for Israel, and other permanent members in the tank for the Palestinians, it’s quite illuminating that 65 resolutions have actually been passed against Israel at all without the US vetoing them all. The UN usually never passes resolutions holding the Palestinians accountable for anything.
Besides, your source is put out by someone named Alison Weir, and she pretends that every war involving Israel was a result of Israel attacking others, when most of us know that that’s BS. The Arab states around Israel attacked Israel after they didn’t like the UN’s decision about Israel.
July 16th, 2006 at 8:28 pm- andy:
What possesed your government to invade Iraq ? Your foreign policies are schizo
Google “PNAC”. That should answer any questions you have regarding our collective insanity.
July 16th, 2006 at 8:29 pmCNN is now reporting that eight Canadian citizens have been killed in Israeli air strikes.
Comment by DrSinker — July 16, 2006 @ 3:48 pm
Does that mean that Canada is now going to bomb Isreal?
July 16th, 2006 at 8:30 pmThank you. That’s the best laugh I’ve had all day!
Sharon (82), Rove is not a mental defective, he is a master of Machiavelian tactics. We must recognize that what comes from Rove is not the result of a defective mind, but of a diabolically clever one. Otherwise he will outmanouver you at every turn. He knows quite well, for example, how to manipulate the 29% who will blindly follow anyone who promises to alleviate their fears.
and Peace and Blessings to you, as well. if you ever wish to contact me off-board, let me know.
July 16th, 2006 at 8:33 pmwhat a maroon
July 16th, 2006 at 8:35 pmHaifa is being bombed……the underdogs are winning!!
July 16th, 2006 at 8:52 pm#57 – Chase,
July 16th, 2006 at 8:53 pmAmerica should support Lebanon. It is the best path to a solution
BnF, you are right on about rove, sometimes my choice of words don’t quite fit. I should of said he is as evil as cheney and crazy as bush……Would like to contact you and thank you for the offer to corrospond. As long as we can keep the trolls and roaches away…LOL….Blessings
July 16th, 2006 at 8:56 pmThe War on Terrorism pits the forces of freedom and democracy against the forces of tyranny. Unless you are ready to shred the Constitution and live under radical Islamic rule, this is a war we must win – for ourselves and for our children. With the enemy producing videotapes and Web sites to get its message across, the meaning of this war couldn’t be clearer.
But Newt Gingrich is wrong – this is World War IV. World War III pitted the forces of freedom and democracy against communism. (We won.)
This is discussed completely in a new book: Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame. World War IV is not news to even the youngest readers of this book.
http://www.magicpictureframe.blogspot.com/
July 16th, 2006 at 9:02 pmJoe carib, sadly the latest is Israel 12 lost and all others over 100…….Palestine and Lebanon are the hardest hit thus far….So much for the abused Israles…….War is good for nothing except exterminating innocent people and lining the pockets of the warmongers and land grabbers………Blessings, demand peace in the world.
July 16th, 2006 at 9:04 pmAs former speaker of the House, Newt should know that only Congress can declare war, not the president. Gingrich really is a dumpkoft.
July 16th, 2006 at 9:12 pmNewt should know that only Congress can declare war, not the president.
Someone really ought to tell the president that…
July 16th, 2006 at 9:37 pmtalk about political corruption …. these bozo’s think
they are, that’s right… all mighty little God’s.
I thought per sa only congress could declare war
or have politics become SO CORRUPTED that
the constitution is just a god — piece of paper
and Bush has the authority to do anything that
he pleases of course to please Cheney who of
course severed all ties with Halliburton?
Sound’s like LOTS of christmas money and CORRUPT!
July 16th, 2006 at 9:41 pmOh…. i forgot… that’s right
July 16th, 2006 at 9:43 pmGingrich and all the cronies
$20,000 per chair, that is silk
covered chairs
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July 16th, 2006 at 9:44 pmDuring WWII we defined our enemies as the Axis and by Country. Basically, the bad guys were the Germans, Italians, Japanese, and a few French. We had sense enough to beat the enemy first and then sort out the good bad guys from the bad bad guys. It wasn’t always right nor always nice but it was effective and probably the best way. We may be in WWII or IV now but everybody is trying to sort out the good bad guys from the bad bad guys using the Bushco standard of who has the most oil before beating the enemy. The enemy in this case comprises what has been classified for all my life time as the Arab nations and the natural enemies of the Jews for several thousand years. If we are indeed in WWIII or IV it is counter-productive and not in the best interests of we true Americans, discounting the greed of the Bushco, to be selective of the enemies before we win the war. The only way to win the war on “terrorism” is to call it what it is, a war against Arabs, and act accordingly. Attack every Arab Country that does not agree to a complete unilateral surrender and dispose of all those “terrorists” before the sorting is done. The mess in the Middle East will go on forever unless there are only Arabs or only Jews. Neither of the two sides will play by our rules unless we adopt the only rule that DUHbya recognizes: “Play ball with me or I will shove the bat up your ass.” If we are not prepared to win this war then we should get the farr out of there and let those left annihilate each other and then deal with the winner.
July 16th, 2006 at 9:56 pmGood point’s Clyde, may I add we need to clean up our terrible administration first off and stop getting in other countries business perminetly. Helping other chosen countries put corrupt dictators in power and giving nuclear goodies to some is not something we should ever do……..Blessings, Peace and justice can go hand in hand.
July 16th, 2006 at 10:13 pmAnd this is the 58th year of the war to destroy Israel and, frankly, the Israelis have every right to insist that every single missile leave south Lebanon, and the United States ought to be helping the Lebanese government have the strength to eliminate Hezbollah as a military force — not as a political force in the parliament — but as a military force in south Lebanon.
What? So, Palestinians attacked Israel, an unformed jewish state back 1948 and control jewish waters, jewish salaries, jewish supplies, jewish way of living, jewish transportation lines and decide whether jewishs are terrorists or not? This guy is full of shit.
July 16th, 2006 at 10:22 pmSharon, you can reach me at myspammailbox at hotmail dot com.
July 16th, 2006 at 10:33 pmWhen you get your fill of these sorry neo-nazi bastards, vote them all out of office in November…we need a clean slate to start proceedings against the bastards who are taking over our nation and destroying our constitution. Each and everyone that has failed to uphold the constitution has violated their oath and should be fired, the bastards work for us.
July 16th, 2006 at 10:44 pmIsn’t this the liar with that fake contract with America. Now lets see he called Clinton a sinner for having a fling with Monica while he was having an affair when his wife knew nothing about it and he was living with his girlfriend. Now he has all the answers what a joke.
July 16th, 2006 at 10:53 pmThere is a reason we are not hearing any evidence of other civilizations from other planets around other stars. There is probably some sweet spot where ancient history lingers with new technology that destroys 19999 out of 20000 planets.
We should get out of the Middle East and do something drastic with our dependence on the culture of oil. Get out of supporting Israel. You feel loyalty to Israel wonderful… go live there. Israel is NOT a US state. It would be like the Mormons demanded to have a part of China because their holy book mentioned it 2000 years ago.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:04 pmGreat Clyde,
July 16th, 2006 at 11:18 pmAnd I am so sure that left to there own devices (nuclear devices that is) they will just fight it out amongst themselves and we won’t be affected. Open your eyes before the wind blows something fissionable in to them. Appeasement didn’t work to limit the rush to have nuclear devices under Clinton (they just did it in secret) and it wont work now. These people only understand a show of force; it is the nature of their religion and their culture. Newt was right about this. I agree that bush didn’t handle Iraq in the best manor but at least he handled it. If the terrorist saw a unified USA and didn’t see the shit pumped out by the CNN’s of the media every day they might not feel so emboldened. Take note it is WWIII but it is a new kind of war one without uniforms and use of proper rules of engagement.
No matter what Newt says, I always think of him delivering those divorce papers to his wife (can’t remember which one, sorry) in the hospital when she was dying.
I can’t listen to a man like that. And besides, do we need another sociopath in the White House? I think not.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:36 pm#111 Christoper,
July 17th, 2006 at 12:13 amNewt asked wife #1 for a divorce while she was in the hospital following a cancer operation. I don’t think she was dying at the time, but still the guy showed extraordinary insensitivity.
If he thinks the US should be helping, maybe he ought to go over there and fight. America is sick of war, death, destruction, doom and gloom. Time for a change. Is this supposed to put more fear into us so we think George is doing a great job on terrorism, especially just before the elections. None of this would have been happening if we weren’t in Iraq. It’s time to bring the troops home, and if the Republicans want all this war and hate spread across the world, let them do the fighting. America is sick of it and we know the game. Now are they going to say we have to help Isreal. I feel it’s all part of a plan. Every bit of it. It’s time to IMPEACH before there is no world.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:13 am#109 Piper
I think that is what I said! At least I agree with you.
To put it in the vernacular, just plain and simple, “we need to shit or get off the pot,” and either choice entails having the Bushco in the pot before we flush.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:24 amLora,
I thought that wife was dying. Maybe she lived for awhile. I hope she did. The fact is that this man has serious psychological problems, and those problems, in a normal world, would keep him from running for president. And, as so many have said, let Newt and the other warmongers go fight in the wars they dream. Please, no more poor kids from small towns with no decent job prospects. Also, please note that these war-obsessed politicos are all Christian. What does this mean?
July 17th, 2006 at 12:24 amIn my opinion, Israel does what it does because the U.S. always has their back. Israel could deliberately bomb a school and the official U.S. response would be something like, ‘it was actually a terrorist camp’.
I could give a shit about Israel because as far as I’m concerned they’ve completely abused the gift that was given them. A homeland. A great many of the early Jewish refugees went from country to country on ships trying to find someone to take them in. No one wanted them. So the United Nations (resolution 181) decided to carve out a chunk of Palestine and gave it to them. Of course they’ve been attacked by and have attacked the Arabs in all surrounding areas since. For nearly 60 years they haven’t figured out how to talk to each other like adults. Blinded by religion and the thinking that their religious history entitles them to that land or any land with no exceptions. And the U.S. government backs them at all costs because there are some who believe that they will be granted some special dispensation from God if Israel is protected. Crazy? No crazier than killing for your god when your god specifically forbids you to kill. Religions are the root of all the conflicts in the middle east and pretty much everywhere else (with the exception of where oil is involved, in which case it’s just pure greed).
Those people over there need to wake up and decide what kind of world they want just as we do. Because if they don’t very soon, their conflict will eventually spread like a fast growing cancer and become a thorn in everyone’s side. They never accomplish anything. They always revert to tit-for-tat attacks. Childish and infantile. There are actually a great many people that want this violence to increase so as to help facilitate the fulfillment of some weird interpretation of biblical prophecy. Just because some frightened old men wrote a load of stories about 2000 years ago doesn’t make them true or absolute. People can change anything they want. Us, them, anyone, anywhere, anytime. You just have to choose to make that choice.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:33 amO’Reilly’s straight talk is on the mark… …
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July 17th, 2006 at 12:41 am82. “Isn’t it the Saudi prince that bush is such good friends with,” –Sharon Cox
The Bush that Bandar Bush is such friends with is the older one, GHWB.
GFH is not anyone’s friend. He has buboes.
And if he breathes on you, the Komodo dragon saliva is deadly.
You ought to see him at state dinners. He’ll eat five, six chickens, whole, feathers and all.
Even Condi is afraid of sleeping with him.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:06 amYes Missy
July 17th, 2006 at 1:06 amLet’s put flowers in our rifles and sing koombiya.
Believe me I wish the world was this nice a place but it’s not. The world has people like Hitler, Khamenei, Ghengis Kahn, Leonid (we will crush you) Brezhnev and many others that want to rule the world and its people in their own way. We on the other hand want to let the people choose who their leaders will be in a democratic society. Also remember that Israel is the only free democratic society in the region. Do I have to remind you that women are still not allowed to enter soccer stadiums, operate computers or post on blogs in Iran? Do you think this is what they would choose if they had a choice in the matter?
Didn’t someone important say we must be the voice for the oppressed? Oh and please guys don’t be trite and say I left President Bush off the list.
117. “O’Reilly’s straight”
MORE LIES FROM THE RIGHTWING.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:07 amNewt is correct about one thing: If Israel attacks Syria and/or Iran, then the conflict will become WWIII, but not if the fighting remains in Lebanon only! The Bush Regime, Neocons, and the Israeli right-wing fanatics want to bomb the crao out of Syria and Iran, so they all hope an excuse is found to do it!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:09 amCorrection > crap not crao > lol > typo!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:10 am“people like Hitler, Khamenei, Ghengis Kahn, Leonid (we will crush you) Brezhnev and many others that want to rule the world and its people in their own way. We on the other hand want to let the people choose who their leaders will be in a democratic society. ”
That’s HILARIOUS. What about the Bush coup in Haiti didn’t you understand?
What about dismantling Iraq, after poisoning every kid there with half-strength uranium, don’t you understand?
Dream on, mythmaker. Bringing demockery to the world, one failed state at a time.
Oh, and Reagan-Bush arming Hussein with chemical and biological weapons so he could commit the warcrimes he is on trial for was REAL democratic behavior.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:10 amPosing for president is he?
Just when you thought things couldn’t get any worse, along comes gingrich. The man who left his dying wife for a young intern or some such shit.
The repubs think he’s still “fresh” to the public, whereas the frists, hasterts, cheneys and bushes are “tired” in the public’s eyes.
Note to repubs: Going back to your damaged roots cannot bring you back from the precipice. You are LOST. So are most dems, but like in the current mid-east debacle, you have to see who is the greater evil, and guess what…it’s you.
Talk all you want slithering newt, no one is listening.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:12 amThe charismatic black leader Jean-Bertrand Aristide was elected president in 1991, but was deposed in a coup shortly after. There followed three years of brutal control by a military junta, before an American invasion in 1994 returned Aristide to power. One of the first acts of the re-installed government of Aristide was to disband the army, to great popular acclaim.
Aristide was succeeded by a close ally and former prime minister, René Préval, in 1996. While Aristide was the first democratically elected president in Haitian history, Préval’s administration was most notable for the fact that he was the first person in Haiti’s history to be elected president and to serve his complete term, leaving office voluntary at the prescribed time. Every previous president had either died in office, been assassinated, been deposed, overstayed his prescribed term, or been installed by a foreign power.
Aristide returned to office in 2001 after elections that were boycotted by many of his opponents, who accused his party, Fanmi Lavalas, of counting votes improperly in a previous senatorial election, as well as threatening critics. Aristide denied the charges and accused his opponents of accepting U.S. assistance, and plotting to overthrow his government. The opposition mostly denied this, but many of its members continually called for his early resignation.
In February 2004, the Aristide government was overthrown by armed rebels. These rebels were led by disenchanted urban gangs formerly working for Fanmi Lavalas and demobilized soldiers. All of these armed opponents were alleged to be allied with the political opposition. As Aristide departed the country, many members of his government fled or went into hiding, and the United States again sent Marines into Port-au-Prince. After Aristide’s departure, Supreme Court Chief Justice Boniface Alexandre succeeded to the presidency appointed by a council of elders and supported by the United States, Canada, and France.
Elections were held in February 2006, and René Préval was again elected president.
Sounds like the system worked to me!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:39 amHaiti has an elected president and a more stable govt.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:42 amdemockery Very telling about you isn’t it. Next you’l be spouting off about global warming. Some people just hate capitalism and want to crush it at every turn.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:46 amPiper >some of your post 125 is correct about what happened in Haiti! I lived and worked in Haiti in 1983, when “Baby Doc” Duvalier was the dictator there > later I helped President Aristide after he was overthrown in the first coup against him in 1991! The 2nd coup against him in 2004 was funded and directed by the Bush Administration > the rebels were outfitted in the Dominican Republic, then slipped across the border into Haiti! Aristide against his will was flown out of the country to Africa by our CIA! The Latortue/Alexandre government were stooges! Rene Preval was elected this past February, but Aristide never actually abdicated the presidency, even though he has agreed from exile that Preval has replaced him!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:15 amSome people just hate capitalism and want to crush it at every turn.
I don’t think you know what your talking about when you say capitalist.
July 17th, 2006 at 3:04 amLook their goes one now!!
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Congressman_Tom_DeLay_out_human_dignity_0607.html
Indentured servitude, sweatshops–even forced abortions–are well-documented practices in Marianas islands factories, which have thus far managed to avoid U.S. labor laws while still, as a U.S. territory, applying “Made in the U.S.A.” labels to the finished product. DeLay extolled the Saipan garment industry as a perfect petri dish of capitalism.”
“For more than ten years, my efforts, and the efforts of so many others, have been thwarted,” Miller said, “by the corrupt partnership of two of Washingtons most powerful players: Representative Tom DeLay and lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
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So yes, imagine that, people, not Delay, want to crush capitalism because they ‘hate it’
Thank you, Newt Gingrinch, for so eloquently demonstrating your complete lack of fitness for political office. Your hypocrisy is well known, campaigning for morality while engaged in extramarital affairs and demonstrating an absence of even a shred of compassion. This statement goes to the heart of your sanity, as you proudly proclaim it is the duty of the United States to bring a swift end to the human race on this planet. Please return to the safety of fabricating history to your liking, predatory marriage, and fleecing anyone foolish enough to believe a single word that slips from your forked tongue.
July 17th, 2006 at 3:53 amBush escalates the hate
U.S. President George W. Bush, who is currently in Saint Petersburg for the G8 summit, refused to ask Israel to stop attacks on Lebanon, saying on Sunday: “Our message to Israel is defend yourself, but be mindful of the consequences, so we are urging restraint.”
While most countries are appealing for a truce and have accused Israel of disproportionate use of force after the abduction of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah on Wednesday, such a statement by Bush and his like-minded envoy to the UN, John Bolton, who blocked a Security Council resolution against the attack on Lebanon on Friday, leaves little doubt that the U.S. is an accomplice in the attack and could care less about the tragedy unfolding in Lebanon, which has barely emerged from the Israeli-instigated civil war and occupation.
The U.S. blocked the UN Security Council resolution despite the fact that Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora talked to Bush on the phone on Thursday, asking him to put pressure on Israel to stop the savage attacks on the tiny state.
If Bush would have seen with his eyes how eighteen civilians, including nine children, were burnt alive in a helicopter gunship attack, would he have again said that Israel has the “right to defend itself� If so, then God should have mercy on us all. In Saint Petersburg, Condoleezza Rice also rejected calls for a truce, saying not addressing the underlying causes of the conflict might make things worse.
July 17th, 2006 at 4:59 am#115 Christoper,
July 17th, 2006 at 7:39 amI believe the first Mrs. Gingrich survived her cancer operation and her years with that creep. I do hope she got a fat alimony settlement out of him–one of the true faces of “compassionate conservatism.”
- plunger:
Don’t forget the more recent 2004 video tape, in which ‘Osama’ looks totally different, and, again, is demonstrably not Osama bin Laden.
The deeper you dig, the deeper the lies go.
July 17th, 2006 at 8:32 am- plunger:
This is THE GAME.
Agreed. Syria and Iran are being set a goal they have no hope of achieving.
When they fail (predictably), Dubya & Company will cite this ‘lack of cooperation’ as evidence of ‘bad faith’, and WWIII will be on in earnest.
July 17th, 2006 at 8:50 amEveryone should read “Conservatives Without Conscience” by John Dean. It’s regarding the “authoritiarian conservative,” and Gingrich certainly fits within that category. Dean considers them extremely dangerous people, and a threat to our democracy.
July 17th, 2006 at 10:34 amBuck wild…
The news out of Lebanon and Israel just gets crazier this morning….
July 17th, 2006 at 10:40 amIt’s WORLD WAR IV.
CIA, KGB, MI6, MOSSAD widely acknowlegde through memoirs by officers that the Cold War was regarded as the Third World War.
Anyway, this has to be the Fourth World War.
I didn’t set up this blog for nothing :
http://www.the4thworldwar.blogspot.com
July 17th, 2006 at 12:10 pmIt’s not World War III and it’s not even close. It is a vitriolic regional conflict that Gingrich, Rove and others would like to turn to partisan advantage.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:59 pmPiper #119 you left pres bush off the list !!! Yeah we love democracy even if weve been overthrowing them for the past 60 years ,and supporting the planets worst tyrants (saddam?) as foreign policy.I remember last spring I saw a great piece on CNN about the presidents new commission set up to support fledgling democracies all over the world ,then later that same day caught Aristede on democracy now saying the US has overthrown my gov’t and kinapped me ,held me hostage for 2 days at the airport and flew me against my will out of Haiti.Couldn’t find that story in any other newsroom .Our love of democracy is the worst BS ever propogandized ,and an outright lie !!!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:12 pm[...] “World War III”, the new scare-the-bejesus-out-of-the-voters product launch from the GOP, courtesy of Newt Gingrich. [...]
July 17th, 2006 at 1:13 pmSHAME !!!!!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:15 pm#75 – Thank you, Monkey Tripe, for linking an unFAIR and un-balanced website whose board members are used as a SOURCE in a Aryan website, http://www.nationalvanguard.org. Here’s what these bigots at nationalvanguard say about themselves:
“National Vanguard is what you’ve been looking for: an intelligent and responsible organization that stands up for the interests of White people.” It’s easy to identify friends and foes with who lines up on the sides of warring factions.
From MonkeyTripes’ referenced site:
“….Finally, in 1947 the United Nations decided to intervene. However, rather than adhering to the democratic principle espoused decades earlier by Woodrow Wilson of “self-determination of peoples,” in which the people themselves create their own state and system of government, the UN chose to revert to the medieval strategy whereby an outside power arbitrarily divides up other people’s land.”
The “history” you cite and apparently rely jumps from the early 20th century to 1947 – all in a single bound! Notice the failure to fill in the Years of the Holocaust?? For shame!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:34 pm[...] It seems like every time there is a new crisis in the world it is the end of times. There was the same talk in ’91 when the Gulf War started. The difference is that now the neo-cons are driving our government and they may believe this so much that they force a World War because they think that is what is going to bring the end of the world to us. It will just be the end of the world as we know it. Newt Gingrich came out yesterday on Meet the Press and said the US needs to be helping because this is in fact World War 3. [...]
July 17th, 2006 at 1:45 pmmighty ignorance ever seen a real war or even a real war photo? What was the lesson you took from the holocaust that only the lives of jews are important ?I guess the whole world endless condemnation of Isreals actions of 60 years with only the US as the sole veto on the security council is all based on anti semitism.You can see beyond race lady .look in the mirror if you dare !!!!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:01 pmALL GODS CHILDREN
July 17th, 2006 at 2:02 pmDear Mr./Ms. Freeman – The whole world used to think slavery was a pretty good idea to integrate in economies. Were they right?? I suggest you pull up your drawers as your ignorance and bigotry is showing.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:07 pmYour the slaver lady .Slavery is fine if it isn’t another jew( old testament , GOD SPEAKING ),Isn’t that the line you meant to write !Oh and as a New yorker with jewish friends, your a racist !!!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:21 pmcheck out a few war photo’s from Iraq ,They aren’t jewish but you maight still feel a twinge of compassion!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:22 pmI’m not Jewish but the photo’s of the holocaust bother me is it because Jews are more important than othrer people ?
July 17th, 2006 at 2:27 pmOr because they’re other human beings ?
July 17th, 2006 at 2:33 pmIf those sentiments make me anti semitic or un patriotic then I’ll wear the title like a yellow star of david on my chest ! Proudly !
July 17th, 2006 at 2:36 pmMighty aphrodite you’d make a good Nazi.!.SHAME !!!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:38 pmDear Freeman – Living in New York, you might have Jewish friends, but only because you don’t know it….i hear they’re looking for good little ant-Jews in the New Black Panthers or the Aryan Brotherhood – - an anti-Jewish organization for every epidermis!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:43 pmPlease its you who can’t see beyond racism and I suspect your not as american as you are isreali in any case ! How long will the crimes more than a half century ago be used to justify isreals behaviors which the whole world condemns endlessly in the UN.Do you believe every other country is anti semetic because they condemn un civilized behavior ,This latest move by Isreal will not help end anti semitism ,any more then our ( ? ) killing innocent muslims will bring an end to the root causes of terrorism ! An eye for an eye to make the wholre world blind GANDI
July 17th, 2006 at 3:00 pmAnd the reason I have jewish friends is not because I I don’t know it but because they have largely forgotten they are intrinsically different than the rest of humanity !I suggest you take yours out of the closet and dust it off !
July 17th, 2006 at 3:03 pmand on top of that I call you an ignu ,a great ignoramus in factories though he may own or inspire them or even be production manager…. Ginsberg
July 17th, 2006 at 3:07 pmhermaphrodite ,your philosophy looks identical to the worst parts of the black panthers,s or the KKK.Just a different flavor !
July 17th, 2006 at 4:12 pm[...] Silber sees deliberately misconstruing analysis on Israel and Middle Eastern geopolitics on whole as a means to shut down actual discussion of what is right and what is wrong. Discussion and debate are the foundations of diplomacy, which in turn, is the premise needed for peace. This isn’t about mamby-pamby hippy ideals, but an effort to stop a region-wide war that some have billed as the start of World War III. I often feel that I simply want to say to everyone: Look, we can talk about anything you want. We’ll talk for as long as it takes. We’ll work it out, even if takes years. But, please, for God’s sake: [...]
July 17th, 2006 at 6:53 pm[...] As Media Matters for America has previously noted, with the recent escalation ofviolence in the Middle East and a terrorist attack in Mumbai, India, theright-wing media have declared a new “world war” but have not agreedupon which global conflict the United States now faces: World War III, IV, orV. Also, as noted by the weblogThink Progress, Gingrich has apparently decided that the use of World War IIIrhetoric is a political winner for Republicans. According to The Seattle Times,in a recent interview, Gingrich talked about the “need to recognize WorldWar III as important for military strategy and political strategy.” The articlereported that Gingrich was “very worried” about Republicans’chances in the fall elections and felt “the need to recognize thatAmerica is in World War III” is an element missing from PresidentBush’s political strategy. Gingrich told the newspaper that “Bushneeds to deliver a speech to Congress and ‘connect all the dots’ forAmericans” and argued “that public opinion can change ‘theminute you use the language’ of World War III.” Perhaps for thatreason, The Seattle Times reported that”Gingrich said in the coming days he plans to speak out publicly, and tothe Administration, about the need to recognize that America is in World War III.” [...]
July 17th, 2006 at 8:18 pm[...] So Newt is saying Bush should be framing the Middle East disaster as World War III, the better to benefit the Republicans in the fall mid-terms. [...]
July 17th, 2006 at 8:43 pmThis is ridiculous. Hezbollah has attacked Israel without provocation (as long as you discount the fact that all they want is Israel’s land) Israel is defending itself the same as any country who has been attached would. For some reason the rest of the world has asked that Israel allow Hezbollah to roll over them doing anything they want and taking anything they wish. This is not a new war and has been going on forever. However, this is a war on terrorism as well as an attack on one of our allies. So how should the U.S. react? Should we leave Israel to twist in the wind on their own or do we stand with an ally who is under attack? This could be considered the beginnings of World War III based on the number of major countries involved, which was the point. If you look at the major countries involved in World War I and II it seems clear that the numbers are comparative to the war on terrorism.
July 18th, 2006 at 8:29 am[...] Newt Gingrich and the faction he represents actively want to achieve World War Three — so much so, that they’re willing to label a conflict that prematurely in hopes of expanding that conflict in such a way that it might truly become World War Three, for the sake of political advantage. [...]
July 18th, 2006 at 3:36 pmhere we go
July 19th, 2006 at 12:14 amI’m new to this site, but i’ve been active in the mideastern crisis as long as I can remember, and I am so glad to see there are people with at least half a brain, but of course there are some who really do disappoint, like Mightyaphrodite and Chase. I’ve read both sides and i’ve found nothing but conjecture from them and nothing to validate their side. I will reply to some of their posts now
#21 – “…. in Israel their aggression towards their neighbors for several decades now is the root cause of their own problems and many of Americas as well…†Gerhard Gibson
******You mean the aggression Israel engaged in when she won the Gaza and Sinai after being attacked on THREE SIDES?? You mean the aggression Israel engaged in when they agreed to give that PIG AraFAT over 90% of his demands in a peace accord – and the PIG said it wasn’t enough?? You mean the aggression of blowing up Saddam’s nuclear facility??? Perhaps you think it was aggressive for Israel to remove the settlers from the Gaza Strip (as they returned the Sinai Penninsula)?
Gerald, If you would pull your nose out of pro-terrorist websites and anti-Jewish websites,you might learn something and you wouldn’t sound like a neo-Nazi….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — July 16, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
Your first arguement is very disturbing, because you make it sound like a good thing they stole land. Your second arguement makes the palestinians sound greedy, when in actuality, they are asking for the land THAT WAS STOLEN FROM THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE, and Israel wont give compromise on certain things ever, don’t put half the story. Have you ever heard of the Saudi Peace Plan? the PLO Signed it, Israel didn’t, so don’t twist that. Oh, and if you think Israel removed its residents from Gaza out of the goodness of their heart.. well it just goes to show how corrupted some people are, because they maintained air raids over it, and now tanks are pushing far into the territory. This is a genocidal preconceived plan that was quite visible to me from the start, to be honest.. You say such things are pro-terrorist, but I wonder if we had the same technology 400 years ago, would we call the Native Americans terrorists and the colonists in the right? Well.. I know some would.
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I really don’t think anyone wants this situation to escalate, but I don’t think it’s prudent to allow terrorists and miscreants to threaten the sovereign territory of Israel. It’s not as though Hezbollah and Hamas are a knitting group of grandmothers who Israel is indiscriminately going after. Hezbollah continues to fire rockets, unguided rockets mind you, into Israeli cities with no other intention than inflicting civilian causalities and death.
If we are uncomfortable with the US supporting Israel in this conflict, what should we do?
Should the US be backing Hezbollah in this conflict?
Comment by Chase — July 16, 2006 @ 5:15 pm
“sovereign territory of Israel”? You know, you can say it looks like a chocolate bar, but unless you have a clear nose, you can’t deny or confirm what you’re smelling isn’t really shit. Most of Israel’s land (not counting the 1947 partition) Is STOLEN from Palestine! Sovereign territory indeed. You point out what Hizbollah is doing, but I think you’ve forgotten to mention about Israel’s doings.. funny how discrimination can change the entire feel of a story. Israel fired the first rockets, Hizbollah retaliated. Don’t try to tell me otherwise, Ive been with it on 4 different channels since the start , as well as contacts from Lebanon, and While Hizbollah has shot down a plane, a tank, and a ship (a Trifecta, if you will) All Israel has to show for it are over 200 civilians dead. Hizbollah has done their best, at least, to target military, but Israel is flattening all buildings in sight and knocking out water and electric plants. Surely even YOU can’t tell me you had no knowledge about that, its been on CNN, for god sake. It seems Israel is the one “with no other intention than inflicting civilian causalities and death.”, not the other way around. Israel is trying to strike fear into Lebanon… and failing, by the way.
#64 – That’s a wonderful conspiracy theory – I’d put it right up there with the Grassy Knoll.
I also give it about as much credibility.
What I see, and what the reasonable world sees, are state-independent organizations that are Hell bent on destroying Israel. As they are woefully outmatched in weaponry, their only viable tactic is terrorism. Detonating explosive vests in street cafes, crossing borders to kidnap soldiers, and firing unguided missiles into Israeli cities are their modus operandi.
Lebanon is too weak to effectively contain the Hezbollah militants and in Palestine, Hamas is the government.
The United States should stay on the sidelines as long as Iran stays on the sidelines. I fear the time is approaching unfortunately, where Iran becomes an active participant.
Our demonstrated weakness in Iraq has emboldened Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran to attack our staunch and dependable ally. Those extremists believe that we are unwilling to defend the sovereignty of Israel from repeated violations by personnel and rockets.
Comment by Chase — July 16, 2006 @ 6:05 pm
If they are outmatched, its only because they get everything from the U.S. You make it sound as the level on some aspects of their abilities to wage war mean.. you know, i’ve never really understood the logic that just because a side doesn’t have as advanced retalitory methods, they shouldn’t retaliate at all or get branded with some BS label, like they shouldn’t do anything at all. You obviously are ignorant of Israel’s methods with Palestinians and in the past, Lebanon. There you go again with only half the story. The half that they want you to hear. I highly doubt that it really is terrorism by the definition in any case. Repeated violations toward an illegal state, lol..
…. Why do you love Israel so much? What have they really done for the US? What good have they ever done in the world? All they’ve ever brought to mankind is suffering. Bulldozing of homes, Massacre of civilians, Destruction and Deprival of essential resources, curfews to try and starve the people… All they are is sadistic, and if everyone knew the truth in America, I bet the 29% would be alot lower..
*****Prof Chump neglects to mention the eight murdered soldiers taken out by Hezbollah, the number of americans killed by Hezbollah since 1983 or the tunnel into Israel under the border with Gaza. Why confuse someone with a singular point of view with facts?
Comment by mighty aphrodite — July 16, 2006 @ 6:05 pm
Because that shows a singular point of view regarding the facts… Wasn’t 1983 that year where a bunch of Israelis and Lebanese Christian troops massacred Palestinian civilians? I won’t say the fact you brought up is wrong, but you overlook EVERYTHING that is israel’s responsibility, and instigation… what Hizbollah did is so mild by comparison its nonexistant
July 19th, 2006 at 3:28 amWell, get back to me and let me know how you feel about my review
Dear Shazbot – Thank you for taking the time to present a “fair and balanced” Arab view. But please do not feel so beleaguered – the Palestinian/Anti-Israel point of view is well represented here in the US in large chunks of the American political Left. (EXCELLENT examples of people who support your viewpoint are Hezbollah Helen Thomas and reknown “diplomat”, Noam Chomsky (don’t worry about liking an infidel Jew like Noam, Shazbot, he hates Israel, too.)
The rest of your “interesting” ramblings (a FAVOURITE:…. “Why do you love Israel so much? What have they really done for the US? What good have they ever done in the world? All they’ve ever brought to mankind is suffering.” WOW!!! What insight!!…. applause, applause, applause. Did you arrive at this conclusion all by yourself or did you learn that through daily study at your madrasas??
As I asked yesterday please ask yourself the following questions:
IF Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda, Al Aqsa, Islamic Jihad, etc were to disarm, do you believe Israel or the US would attack them?
IF Israel were to disarm, do you believe they would be attacked or allowed to live in peace?
IF warring Muslims love their children and families so much why do they use schools, hospitals and mosques for weapons caches? Clearly, that does not demonstrate much love…
Do suicide bombers receive fewer than 72 virgins because they broke the command of the Quran not to “commit suicide”?? Are the 72 virgins restored if the suicide bombers kill more infidels?
Shalom…..
July 19th, 2006 at 2:50 pmWorld War III Is Not News: But Doing What It Takes To Win Would Be
“The Lesson of World War II Has Been Forgotten,” Warns Twelve-year-old Anthony in New American History Book
Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich recently described 9/11, the conflict in the Middle East, and the trouble with North Korea and Iran, as the “beginnings of World War III.” But that’s not news to any twelve-year-old who has read a new, and unique, American history book: Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame, by Michael S. Class.
In the book, Anthony, the author’s real-life son, travels through time to witness the seminal events of the twentieth century: Anthony meets the heroes of America’s past. Class uses advanced digital photography to place Anthony in real historical photographs of Charles Lindbergh, Neil Armstrong, Thomas Edison, Jonas Salk, FDR, Lou Gehrig, Audie Murphy, and soldiers on Normandy beach on D-Day. Anthony’s conversations with the heroes of the past are based on things they really said, all properly footnoted. The Web site, http://www.MagicPictureFrame.com, displays some of the book’s amazing photographs.
“I wanted to capture the interest of today’s kids,” says Class, “by turning American history into a grand time travel adventure – with a moral lesson. This is a history book with a message for the present day.”
At the close of World War II, Anthony reflects on all that he has seen. “I felt a deep shame for humanity as a whole,” he says, “but I couldn’t help thinking that all the horrors I had seen during this war were somehow connected – that the thirty-six million dead, the Death Camps in Europe, and the dropping of two atomic bombs were all part of the shameful price for not stopping evil early enough. It’s a lesson that has been forgotten. In my time, evil is the cause of a new World War. And, once again, it’s an evil that was ignored and allowed to grow stronger.”
“Anthony is referring to the War on Terrorism,” says Class. “The War on Terrorism pits the forces of freedom and democracy against the forces of radical Islamic tyranny. Anthony sees the new World War begin on 9/11 – the date the war came to America’s shores, the date I decided to write the book, and the date that Anthony steps through the Magic Picture Frame and into America’s past.”
Anthony travels back in time so that young readers can see their modern world in the light of the lessons of the past. Anthony compares the people and events of the past with the people and events of his own time.
“In the new World War,” says Anthony in a comparison to World War II, “the forces of good clearly have the power to prevail over the forces of evil – it’s only the will to do what is necessary to win that is in doubt. People demand endless negotiation with the Hitlers of my time, limited responses to brutal attacks, and quick exits from the fields of battle. They seem to be angry that their daily routine has been disrupted, not that the foes of freedom are on the march. And the men and women who risk the supreme sacrifice to fight for what is right? They are less appreciated, and even mocked.”
“It’s not an easy book,” says Class, “but our children are not living in an easy time. Anthony discusses the nature of good and evil, right and wrong, war and peace, what it means to be an American, honor and discipline, success and achievement, courage and destiny, marriage and family, God and purpose.”
And that is where Class offers hope to his young readers. From his discussions with America’s heroes, Anthony learns that “the purpose of life is to live a life of purpose, one person really can make a difference, and doing the right thing always matters.”
Every chapter of the book carries that inspiring message. The chapter about Lindbergh’s flight is really about choosing one’s destiny. The story of Lou Gehrig is one of a virtuous life. The chapter about Thomas Edison is really about the benefits of hard work. The story of Apollo 11 is about wonder, taking risks, and courage. The story of Dr. Jonas Salk and the cure for polio is really about dedicating one’s life to a higher purpose. When Anthony meets his immigrant great-grandfather at Ellis Island in 1907, it’s really a story about what it means to be an American. Anthony’s observation of D-Day and the liberation of the death camps during the Holocaust is a testament to the reality of evil and the need to fight it.
A quote from British philosopher Edmund Burke opens the chapter on World War II: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Says Class: “Let’s raise good men and women who will resolve to take action in the face of evil.”
The New World War is discussed on the author’s blog: THE NEW WORLD WAR – What It Is And Why We Must Win (www.MagicPictureFrame.blogspot.com).
Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame was named Outstanding Book of the Year and Most Original Concept of 2006 by Independent Publisher, Reviewers Choice by Midwest Book Review, and Editor’s Pick by Homefires: The Journal of Homeschooling Online. Nationally syndicated talk-show host Michael Medved calls the book “entertaining and educational.” Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin says “parents and teachers will appreciate the inspiring message this unique history book holds for America’s next generation. I recommend this book to all young Americans, may they take us to the stars and beyond.”
Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame (hardcover, 225 pages, $35) is available at http://www.MagicPictureFrame.com, by calling toll-free 1-800-247-6553, at select bookstores, and on http://www.amazon.com.
Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame includes built-in tools for parents and teachers: recommendations for hundreds of books, movies, songs, and places to visit, keyed to the subjects of each chapter. The author’s Web site includes a fun final exam; the author’s blog is a place for readers to discuss the book’s moral lessons (www.MagicPictureFrame.blogspot.com).
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July 19th, 2006 at 4:50 pmThe below are some “ideas” from the blog below. There are debates going on both on the blogs
and internally within the administration as to what is the “best” strategy in handling this situation.
Some are for “diplomacy” and attempting to work out a “compromise.” Others, view this as
similiar to the beginnings of WWII and that any attempts at “compromise” could be mis-interpreted
as “weakness” and cause extreme consequences. There is probably a middle ground position
and other positions also. It appears that the current situation seems to be a wait and see approach with some diplomacy and seeking the active alliances with other nations, perhaps a United Nations involvement at some point. I don’t have the answers but I am attempting to “educate” myself as a “good citizen.” America does view Israel as a good ally and will not abandon them. My understandings of this situation are limited. I don’t think Israel can allow themselves to be continually attacked by terrorists in neighboring countries and the neighboring countries – governments – have a moral duty to control or do something about the terrorists attacking Israel. The failure to control the terrorists will force Israel to defend itself or to control the terrorists.
Again my understandings of this situation are limited. I am for America’s interests. I believe it is in America’s interests to support our “allies” and our “friends” and I believe that a “nations word is its bond.” A man or womans word is their bond. A commitment from America is valuable and we will not abandon our friends. Israel is our friend. Terrorists attacking Israel are attacking America.
My understanding of this situation is limited.
Sincerely
July 19th, 2006 at 9:16 pmGlen R. Graham, Tulsa, Oklahoma
This is a war in the same way that the “War on Drugs” is a war. It is ill-defined, neverending, and a good excuse for eroding civil liberties. Calling it World War III is preposterous. Where are the armies? Where are the great powers facing off against each other with the threat of one side to annihilate the other?
http://theopinionator.com
July 19th, 2006 at 9:16 pm“We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.” —–Golda Meir (1898-1978)
July 19th, 2006 at 10:21 pmThis is certainly the beginning of WWIII. It began with the War on Terror, then the War in Iraq. Now it’s moved to Lebanon and Israel. The next phase will be countries taking sides, alliances broken, and cease-fires abandoned.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:44 pmIsrael is committing an egregious tactical blunder in its handling of Lebanon. The U.S. Government and the U.S. Media is doing us all a disservice by taking the easy way out.
By focusing on who’s to blame for this crisis and insisting on calling the Lebanese to account for Hezbollah’s actions, we conveniently overlook the fact that the savagery of Israel’s disproportionate attack on the Lebanese people is consolidating support against Israel and the U.S. in the hearts and minds of people the world over.
Remember: the Nazis were convinced that they could weaken the morale of the English people by bombing British civilian targets in preparation for a land invasion. Instead, they united the resolve of British and American hearts and minds to destroy Nazi Germany.
Now I’m not suggesting that terrorists could destroy Israel or the United States the way we destroyed the Nazis. But Israel’s current actions and American inaction are only serving to strengthen the enemy’s base of support while eroding our moral authority.
What can be done? Gingrich’s proposal to lend American military support to the Lebanese army at this point is the only option that has the potential to resolve this situation in a way that avoids further conflagration. Adding in significant development aid would lend some legitimacy to our values. The sad thing is that given this Administration’s record, this kind of thinking is likely to find few supporters in the Bush White House.
What is the lesson to be learned from World War II? If you live in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, or Washington D.C., maybe it’s time to follow on the heels of sensible German and Italian immigrants in World War II. Foreseeing the shortcomings of their fascist governments, they voted with their feet by moving to a less bellicose country and prospering. Brazil and Chile come to mind.
But if you’re one of those folks who get excited by the prospect of World War III, things are looking good. Just remember to brace for the punch back.
“What is certain is that Hezbollah’s step and that taken by Hamas before it, lacks political wisdom,†recently wrote the Saudi journalist Dawood al-Shiryan in the pan-Arab newspaper Al Hayat. “But to insist on calling the resistance to account for this mistake now that Israel’s violent response has been launched has created a political reality that is difficult to describe.â€
July 20th, 2006 at 4:38 pm[...] As Bush and the United States governement give the Israelies the go ahead to clean the clocks of Hezbollah, Hamas, and however many middle-eastern versions of you and me as get in the way, the same neo-con nutjobs who brought you the Iraq War begin to bang the drums with unabashed approval, and with hard-ons at the ready, for a full-fledged World War III that, of course, would be led by the United States. This view isn’t just in sync with those Christians who eagerly await Armageddon; it may be at least partly inspired by those very same End Times theologians. [...]
July 20th, 2006 at 5:36 pmThis war is being fought by the subconscious mind. The mind that allows a mother to lift a car from a child, the mind that make’s a Buddist swat a pesky fly or the mind that causes the celebrity to shoplift.
The war is consciously about a greivance but subconciously about covetting another’s WATER.
WATER.WATER.WATER.
Force your head into a bucket of cold water, gasp, and realize that the Zionist force is running out of water and will find it at the Litani river ….again. This time it will not be given back.
The war is being fought in the conscious but arises from the unconscious mind to counteract the dissonance arising from disproportionate brutality.
We zombies should wake up to the long term reality.
The Euphrates has alot of water!
Michael S Harris
July 21st, 2006 at 4:00 pmI think if Iran gets involved, then we’ve got a big problem.
July 22nd, 2006 at 12:12 amNuke the Islamic Fascists shits
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:19 pmlets nuke you redneck podunk inbred conservative shits first, bitch… thats probably whats gonna happen, if we’re lucky, lol
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:59 pmAphrodite, you are really a living oxymoron if the goddess of love has such hateful feelings as you do. You very quickly jumped to accusations of anti-semitism and hating jews without me giving any semblance of such a thing. If I hate Israel, which yes, I do, it doesn’t mean theres a automatic nazi streak (fyi nazis are white supremacist so the claims as of late are outrageous). There are jews who hate Israel and the Zionists too. I talked with one, who saw through the ignorance they teach, which are actually his words, not mine. If theres hatred toward zionists, its not like they’re innocent and unprovoking, the victim. They are the victimizer, which is something I really don’t think you’ll ever understand unless we talk about nazis.
You clearly hate arabs! Apparently its okay to hate some races and not others with yours and other neocons mentalities. Gee, you wonder why the Arabs in the us, who didnt support 911 or the taliban, are suddenly really hating the us? Well how tf would you feel if everyone around you hated you for what you were even when you didn’t do anything? I see zero empathy on any neocons part, and by that word, i mean understanding the fact you’d feel the same way in that position… but why am I even trying to educate you? Its very clear some people will never change, but I get what you’re saying, hating arabs is just fine, but if its a jew, oh no! thats not PC! They are more valuable and important than arabs as human beings, LOFL
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:01 pm[...] Newt Gingrich thinks that we’re in World War 3. What about the Cold war? What about the global war on terror? I think we’re up to 5. Once Israel takes over southern Lebanon and gets attacked by Hezbollah in Syria, we’ll probably be more overt with our support. So will Iran. [...]
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 amGeorge,
The Newt is a little behind times. Check W’s comment soon after 9/11.
Bush likens ‘war on terror’ to WWIII
US President George W Bush has referred to the “war on terror” as “World War III” during a television interview.
Mr Bush told the CNBC television network the revolt of passengers on the hijacked flight 93 on September 11, 2001, was the “first counter-attack to World War III”.
He said he agreed with the description by David Beamer, whose son Todd died in the crash, in a Wall Street Journal commentary last month the act was “our first successful counter-attack in our homeland in this new global war – World War III”. Mr Bush said: “I believe that. I believe that it was the first counter-attack to World War III.”
Many politicians, world leaders and pundits were saying WW III started when Desert Storm began. The prez has consistently said the War on Terrorism will be a protracted effort, similar to the decades spent on winning the Cold War–including its many hot spots.
The term WW III connotates a banding together of nations, like that of WW II, to fight an enemy nation. If that’s true, where will this band come from, and what nation will be fought? The U.S. basically went to war in Iraq alone. With the exception of the Brits, the coalition was a real laugher. There is no oragnized enemy–only disjointed bands of terrorists around the world. Granted, Iran and North Korea back terrorism. But, our decimated military does not have the capability to carry the fight to either of them–especailly while we are bogged down in Iraq. Without allies, the U.S. can do little but rattle its saber in response to their shenanaigans.
This thing is really comparable to the religious crusades of the dark ages. The U.S. needs to attack the concept–extreme religious thought–not individual terrorist organizations. These guys actually relish a violent death. If the supply of warped minds were eliminated, the threat could be lessened tremendously. But, reversing their thought processes will not be easy. Maybe that’s why W has said the effort will take years to accomplish.
July 24th, 2006 at 10:10 amWhat part of the War on INTERNATIONAL Terrorism didn’t you get? That is a World War.
July 24th, 2006 at 11:40 amIts not just 3 Mideast countries. Its in Asia, Europe and the Americas. When terror groups become part of national governments they cannot act as before without drawing THEIR COUNTRY into conflict. When HAMAS and HEZBALLAH attack now, its the same as Lebanon and Palestine declaring war. Too bad if Isreal sees it that way. Why should Isreal have to put up with constant attacks. We don’t. If Mexico suddenly started lobbing missiles into Texas, we would shortly thereafter own Northern Mexico. Death and destruction is horrible, especially of innocents. Tell that to Hezballah that places most of their military in civilian areas, even woven into the fabric of the neighborhood, using innocents as civilians. Of course this is World War 3. If you want the “cycle of violence” to stop, the corrupt arab countries should help their own people and should stop wasting their lives shooting at Isreal. If the paletinians had partnered with Isreal in 1948, it would be as prosperous as Isreal. Oh, wait, the surrounding Arab countries can’t have prosperous Palestinians. It might make their own countries look bad.
Sure, this is the beginning of World War III. It’s just taking a little longer because man has learned how to contain war a little better although we can’t stop it from happening. Most people want to bury their head in the sand like an ostrich. Go ahead and be stupid. What will take for the western countries to wake up that this is another Crusade and that History is repeating itself?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:50 amYES IT IS BEGINNING OF IT,ATTACK SURIA AND IRAN THEN YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU WANT 3 RD WORLD WAR BUT WHO WILL LOOSE I CAN SEE THAT BUT I AM NOT SURE AMERICAN JEWS CAN SEE THAT.
July 29th, 2006 at 6:40 amIRAQ WAS THE EASY TARGET FOR YOU,THE DEEP INSIDE THERE MUST BE SOME AMERICANS WHO ARE NOT JEW MUST PROTECT THEIR COUNTRY,YOU ARE GOING WITH THEM TO MUD.
THE PEOPLE WHO THINKS THEY COULD ATTACK IRAN AND SURIA ,AND OTHER WORLD POWERS DO NOTHING ABOUT IT ,(LIKE RUSSIA TURKS CHINA )ARE REALLY MAKING A BIG MISTAKE.I CAN NOT LOUGH BECAUSE IT IS COMING…BUT WHO WILL LOOSE!
I believ WWIII is necessary – the world needs to be brought back into balance – and war is unfortunately the key.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:19 pmGEEZE, talk about people who have nothing less than to make a possible scenario political. Is that all you libs know how to do. Frankly I care less about the political aspirations or downfall you guys just want to make happen. I honestly think Newt is on to something this time. Lots of stuff happening and due to political blindness most of you that comment are ignoring it for a agenda.
Wake up!!
August 5th, 2006 at 4:56 amOhh, by the way, the more days that pass the worse the situation is becoming. And I agree with some of the posters here. It is something we cannot really stop from happening. This war is not over land, politics or a agenda. This war is over a mindset.
AND THERE IS NO GRAY AREA this time around! Its being fought for keeps.
SO WAKE UP!!
August 5th, 2006 at 5:02 amLook at this imbecile! He is actually calling for World War Three! Does he want the Northern Hemisphere to become a nuclear waste zone? Someone needs to arrest these people. They’ve gotten out of control. The administrations of the USA and Israel are out of their minds.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:27 amWhen it was WWI, everyone knew it. When it was WWII, everyone defineitely knew it, you didn’t havfe to tell them. Now this jerk-off is telling us we are in a world war? Draft Gingrich as a GI and let hi fight his war.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:04 pmHowever, I think that Newt’s idea to lend military support to a legitimate Lebanese army is a good one.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:10 pm[...] There’s a lot of talk about whether or not we are in the middle of World War III. That’s what Newt Gingrich calls the worldwide “War on Terrorâ€, as do others. Going one step further, Norman Podhoretz mimics James Woolsey’s lead by referring to it as World War IV, and agrees with the Project for the New American Century that the Cold War was effectively the real number III. This would be taking a broader view of things alright, but I still think they both come up short on the big picture, and end up stuck in their confined and present day, non-historical perspective. [...]
August 18th, 2006 at 1:10 pmNewt Gingrich and the rest of the US Administration are war mongers!!! War is good for the US/UK economy but means more innocent dead people!!! Welcome to the civilised western hemisphere. Sure – you can win the hearts and minds of the muslim world – just kill innocent civilians like in lebanon, palestine, afghanistan, iraq …. God damn it – when will anyone not realise that these power hungry neo-cons are going to destroy the US!!! I plead to the good people of the US – dont vote, stop watching CNN, ABC and Fox News and stop paying taxes. You cant spread democracy by pointing a gun down someones throat – if this is the kind of approach then why do you think muslims are not going to hate the US? Why are the US/UK still in Iraq and Afghanistan? Ask yourself why? Bush said the mission was accomplished a long time back yet they are still there – why? We need to get rid of the neo-cons, put them all though a war crimes tribunal and bring back true and proper governance to the USA/UK. We need to work with other civilisations in harmony and peace. Its time to get rid of WMD’s in the US/UK/Israel as well as India/Pakistan/Iran etc. Give power to the people and less to governments. Peace to all mankind.
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:53 pmI don’t know what history books you guys are reading — especially Estanley — but Americans were VERY late to recognize the impending threat of both WWI and WWII and GOD only knows how many lives would have been SAVED if we had gotten involved earlier! Islamic Fascist declared war against us over 30 years ago and you guys think it started 5 years ago! How sad that so many MORE people must die because so few realize we are at war.
September 8th, 2006 at 9:10 pmWhere is the United Nations when you need them? When will the U.N. get the backing that it should have without any favoritism involved but all of the world behind it?
September 12th, 2006 at 1:11 pmWell World War 3 is about to hit full ignition. its been going on for a while now but thanks to america,britan,and isreal we are going to establish a new world order very soon,its actually in the process now. This year is the begining of all things to end. *Heil Bush*
October 7th, 2006 at 2:36 am[...] 4. Thinks we’re in the middle of World War III and will happily bomb anyone to prove to the neo-cons that he’s one of them. [...]
January 8th, 2007 at 7:40 amGuys, don’t get me wrong… I am a big time democrat however it seems like there is a lot of anti-semitic remarks going on here… Many of the post above say that Israel has been aggressive towards her neighbors for all her existence… Lets not forget about the 7 day war where Israel was invaded and survived by wiping out the other countries air forces first. Lets not forget the 1948 war or the Yom Kippur was where Israel was invaded… Also lets not forget how the government of Iran keeps threatning to wipe Israel off the planet.
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