Gingrich: ‘This Is, In Fact, World War III’ And The U.S. ‘Ought To Be Helping’
Gingrich: ‘This Is, In Fact, World War III’ And The U.S. ‘Ought To Be Helping’
This morning on Meet the Press, Newt Gingrich argued we have entered World War III and that the United States ought to engage the effort by “helping the Lebanese government have the strength to eliminate Hezbollah as a military force.” Watch it:
As Matt Stoller points out, Gingrich was also quoted today suggesting that President Bush should be framing the current violence as World War III for the benefit of the fall elections.
Full transcript:
GINGRICH: We’re in the early stages of what I would describe as the third World War and, frankly, our bureaucracy’s not responding fast enough and we don’t have the right attitude. And this is the 58th year of the war to destroy Israel and, frankly, the Israelis have every right to insist that every single missile leave south Lebanon, and the United States ought to be helping the Lebanese government have the strength to eliminate Hezbollah as a military force — not as a political force in the parliament — but as a military force in south Lebanon.
RUSSERT: This is World War III?
GINGRICH: I believe if you take all the countries I just listed that you’ve been covering, put them on a map, look at all the different connectivity, you have to say to yourself: this is, in fact, World War III.
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Well, it certainly could escalate into WWIII… Hopefully it won’t.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:38 pmIt is election time and we need more War and terrorism!!!
Karl must be happy as hell!
July 16th, 2006 at 2:40 pmwhoa…this is crazy talk.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:40 pmJust another excuse to have our way with the world.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:41 pmGod damn, I said GOD DAMN the pusher man!
July 16th, 2006 at 2:42 pmbut of course, if it’s not crazy talk, we can introduce the analogy to WW 1. And if we do, me thinks the assassination of the Archduke can be linked quite nicely with the US deciding to take out Saddam. Please, tawk amongst yourselves…
July 16th, 2006 at 2:42 pmGingrich can get his fat cowardly body over to the Middle East to fight and die for Israel!
July 16th, 2006 at 2:44 pmOh boy beware of Seixon taking over this thread > bye everyone!
July 16th, 2006 at 2:45 pmAnyone else think this might be a HUGE miscalculation by the right to try and characterize this as WWIII?
I don’t think that’s something the American public will enjoy hearing. However, think about what position it puts Democrats in. Do they really want to be arguing “There’s no way this is World War III!” only to have Republicans call them “soft on terror”. See the trap?
July 16th, 2006 at 2:50 pm- DrSinker:
Anyone else think this might be a HUGE miscalculation by the right to try and characterize this as WWIII?
Indeed…if you still believe that the right’s goal is to avoid conflict. However, if their goal is to foment conflict, their calculations are right on the money.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:55 pmTripMaster,
I suspect it also plays to the Rapture folks. I don’t know, I’m just hoping the public at large rejects the idea wholesale for what it is: unadulterated warmongering.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:58 pmAnyone else think this might be a HUGE miscalculation by the right to try and characterize this as WWIII?
Sure, if that’s what they’re going to attempt, although I don’t think Gingrich speaks on behalf of the whole right side of the aisle lately.
July 16th, 2006 at 2:59 pmSo much for hopes of keeping this a limited conflict…
Gingrich May Run in 2008 If No Front-Runner Emerges
By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 10, 2006; Page A04
Former House speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) expects to run for president in 2008 if the contest for the Republican nomination still seems wide open late next year, he said yesterday.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:02 pmI don’t think that’s something the American public will enjoy hearing. However, think about what position it puts Democrats in. Do they really want to be arguing “There’s no way this is World War III!†only to have Republicans call them “soft on terrorâ€. See the trap?
Comment by DrSinker
If democrats keep falling for that they are idiots. There are two types of people against world war… cowards and wisemen. By constantly acting the coward by backing from such chest thumping talk it is starting to make me believe that they are either 1) idiots that cannot articulate themselves enough to express the wisdom of avoiding war.
OR
2) they really are cowards that just dont want to fight unless a republican leads the way…
July 16th, 2006 at 3:04 pmGerald,
My vote woud be for the articulation side. However, a message first has to resonate with the public. I’m not certain “This is World War III” will grow legs. Of course, much depends on the extent to which things continue to escalate, but right now - I think cooler heads will prevail.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:08 pmProgs keep telling me they are so insightful and intelligent, I thought their geography skills would be much better. New York, London, Toronto, Madrid, Bali, India, Russia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan….correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t ALL these places spread AROUND the world? I thought they had all been attacked or were currently engaged in battle…Silly me….
July 16th, 2006 at 3:13 pmBlow up everyone. Bring on the war. Jesus is coming back. The more tragedy and death the better it is for God fearing Goopers. Kill civilians, drop nukes. Bring Russia nad China into the mix. Bomb Iran. Syria. North Korea. make this world a hell on earth!
Yippee.
Praise Jesus the Apocalpyse is here!
-GSD
July 16th, 2006 at 3:18 pmYou cant call it a World War, when its only three Middle Eastern countries…
July 16th, 2006 at 3:18 pmProgs keep telling me they are so insightful and intelligent, I thought their geography skills would be much better. New York, London, Toronto, Madrid, Bali, India, Russia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan….correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t ALL these places spread AROUND the world?-ma
I think the question is why what we’d been told was the “War on Terror” has suddenly changed to “WWIII”. Perhaps because we don’t appear to be winning the former. New label, new game, start over???
July 16th, 2006 at 3:19 pmDear AKADAD - See, read and memorize #15 - that way you won’t impart misinformation and half-truths to the AKAkids.
Dear DR. - See above - and pull out a map. Spinning a globe around can be fun AND educational….
July 16th, 2006 at 3:23 pmProgs keep telling me they are so insightful and intelligent, I thought their geography skills would be much better. New York, London, Toronto, Madrid, Bali, India, Russia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan….correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t ALL these places spread AROUND the world? I thought they had all been attacked or were currently engaged in battle…Silly me….
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Same for gangs, mobsters, murderers, thiefs, drug dealers, etc… there is on going crime everywhere… the difference is that most of the areas you mentioned are not one sided acts of crime…. in Israel their aggression towards their neighbors for several decades now is the root cause of their own problems and many of Americas as well… in Indonesia there are ongoing soveriegnty disputes .. Chechna same thing… And this has been the case for thousands of years… unlike one sided crime all of these people fighting for land or soverignty each have a valid complaint… and so it cannot just be wiped out, but IS at least solvable… you cant stop a individual from being a murderer by talking them into a place of acceptable agreement… but with groups of people you can…. but that is all besides the point … these are all unrelated fights that have been going on for a long time … NOT a world war… and for you to even suggest as such shows how ignorant you are.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:25 pmI don’t know why anyone would even give the time of day to Newt Gingrich. He has been thouroughly discredited on a number of fronts besides being a serial adulterer.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:27 pm#19, yes. I have been wondering why the push to define this as a much broader conflict, i.e. WWIII, especially by a person on the Right who still has political aspirations.
A broader conflict increases the fear level.
A broader conflict justifies more carnage.
A broader conflict justifies imposing greater hardships, i.e. increased costs, fewer civil liberties at home.
A broader conflict justifies a draft.
A broader conflict increases the power of a War-Time President.
A broader conflict increases the profits of the War Industry.
And, 29% of the American people will blindly accept that we are, in fact, already in WWIII.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:28 pmSometime in the future Newt will either say “I told you so” or “aren’t you glad I was wrong?”
he’s just another idiot.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:30 pmAKADAD and Dr. - After you get done reading and memorizing #15 - NOW proceed to #16, commit it to memory, and write it verbatim 25 times. Mini-Aphrodite asked if I had written 15 instead of 16 - such a darling little thing - I explained, “no some people need a bit longer to get through the material, so we’ll be patient with them.”
Happy Sunday to all… it’s time for the beach!
July 16th, 2006 at 3:31 pmThese wingnuts WANT WWIII and the end of the world! They think they’ll be “saved”! HAHAHAHA.
Morons.
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Why are there no Wal-Marts in Iraq?
They’re all Targets!
July 16th, 2006 at 3:31 pmIt sounds from a repug way of thinking, the right course of action. But I think the advantage to the dems is if you trumpet the WWIII horns, it will bring up the greater fear of a draft. It’s painfully obvious that we don’t have enough troops to fight in Iraq & Afghanistan, yet alone WWIII. All in all, if Newt and company play that card, they’ll lose it all.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#20
Lumping all terrorists into one label and calling it World War 3 still wont make it so…
July 16th, 2006 at 3:34 pmIt’s painfully obvious that we don’t have enough troops to fight in Iraq & Afghanistan, yet alone WWIII.-fast
I don’t know - not sure it’s obvious to the majority. The military has been able to hit its recruiting targets, for the most part, by lowering standards. But they can always point to the numbers and say: “Look, we don’t need a draft.”
I think the reality is that where the Repubs would have us invading/attacking a bunch of these places, they just don’t have the political courage when it comes to admitting a draft would be necessary. The problem, of course, is that the Dems aren’t very good at making such a nuanced point.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:41 pmLucinda,
For the most part, the debate here has been good so far, with people ignoring Seixon and mighty aphrodite. Please don’t engage them. I know you realize it’s useless, no?
July 16th, 2006 at 3:42 pmCNN is now reporting that eight Canadian citizens have been killed in Israeli air strikes.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:48 pm#5 GD; f*cking A-straight man.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:54 pm#32
For the most part, the debate here has been good so far, with people ignoring Seixon and mighty aphrodite. Please don’t engage them. I know you realize it’s useless, no?
I understand where you are coming from, but I have to respectfully disagree with “engaging them is useless”.
You cant just let distortions, half-truths, and blatent lies go unchallenged. Look at how they have lied about “liberals”, because liberals had let their garbage go unchallenged.
July 16th, 2006 at 3:55 pmDid you see how like right at the end he seemed proud of himself and was like thinking “YEAH! I so did not mess up the script. I’m so good. Gringrich, you are a propoganda machine.”
July 16th, 2006 at 4:01 pmAka - the majority of people here can see the posts of the 29% and recognize them for what they are. Those who can’t are part of the 29% and whatever you or I say won’t phase them in the least.
It is fascinating; if you do let the distortions, half-truths, and blatent lies go unchallenged they just sort of hang there like the ravings of a lunatic who wanders the streets arguing with invisible demons.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:05 pmLook at how they have lied about “liberalsâ€, because liberals had let their garbage go unchallenged.-AkaDad
Public discussion is one thing, a progressive blog another. Just point out trolls when they appear: full stop. A number of us have seen a lot of useful discussion get hijacked for no good reason. Part of this is due to the trolls, but an equal part is people not understanding how to respond to them.
If you still wish to do so, I suggest focusing only on the content (if any) in the posts. The other stuff really should be obvious for what it is to any of the regulars here. If you’re really interested in discourse, hopefully you’ll become a regular.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:09 pmLet’s see…
War works for these people
Chaos works for these people
Treating poor Americans like animals works for these people
Torture works for these people.
Death and destruction works for these people
If these are the Christians, what the hell would the Satanist be promoting?
July 16th, 2006 at 4:09 pmBnF,
Looks like we were on the same page. Nice post.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:10 pmConservative/evangelical Christianity.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:19 pm41 - you too.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:19 pmThis is the story
The Isrealis have been killing palestinians for the last year and a half , every second day on the news “Isreali helicopter gunship kills suspected hamas terrorists” This is lies and propaganda mostly civilians have been killed
Then Isreal killed Palestinians on the beach ” which isreal denies as they do every attack” even shooting the british peace activist
Palestinians Have had a cease fire for 18 months UNTIL that beach attack which was proven by sheel fragments it was the Isrealis - As a response Hamas fired 8 rockets into isreal killing no-one …..
HOW CAN ANYONE SAY HAMAS STARTED THIS
ITS AMERICAS NEW WAY TO GET TO IRAN - which today Iran said it aggrees to the offer with Europe - with talks
July 16th, 2006 at 4:24 pmIt won’t be WWIII unless we oblige them.
July 16th, 2006 at 4:28 pm[…] Newt Gingrich calls the Israelezbolahbanonyrian conflict World War III, and boldly reminding us all why we kinda dispise him, encourages Bush to do the same… for the sake of the midterms. Newt must have not gotten the message, though, because World War III started about five years ago, according to the president. The world is still not ending, though. asshole, bush, news, politics, terror world […]
July 16th, 2006 at 4:36 pmIf theres 25,000 Americans living in lebanon
July 16th, 2006 at 4:44 pmsurely Hezbullah would be shoooting Americans or blowing them up
FACT they are not so theres no terrorism in lebanon,Only tick for tack against Isreali
Killers
I saw this episode on Meet the Press. Joe Biden was on with him, and took him to the cleaners on the comment that we are in WWIII. This is nothing more than the usual warmongering of the neocons that has gone on since they rose to power. It is their only card and they play it at every hand. There are other nations that have been hit by terrorist, such as the UK, Spain, Indonesia, Russia, India, etc., and I do not hear THEM claiming we are in WWIII. Newt is a has been, that thinks with this type rhetoric, he can get back into the ball game. Sorry Newt, the game is over!
July 16th, 2006 at 4:45 pmPlanet Earth Killfest is under way! Proudly brought to you by the Neo-Cons at PNAC. Also brought to you by Bushco where we will destroy for your entertainment everything we deem undemocratic, unchristian and, by God, un-American. We encourage all to sign up and sign on to the evergrowing list of conflicts around the world! A great christian environment for the entire family! Watch and learn how we can initiate and maintain several conflicts at once while barely lifting a finger. At the PNAC and at Bushco we simply instigate and appropriate! Join now and receive special consideration for the promised rapture to the heavens! Imagine gently floating up, up and away with George Bush and Dick Cheney at your side! A truly wonderful experience and great family fun!
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July 16th, 2006 at 4:51 pmDidn’t the Newt leave office in disgrace? Wasn’t he shown to be a criminal? Why do people listen to an obvious moron?
July 16th, 2006 at 4:55 pmThis smacks of the term Conservatives Without Conscience, what John Dean refers to as the need for Authoritarians to instill fear in their followers to maintain power. If this is WW3 then Bush has made the US the bad guy. To support Rupublicans would be to put us in more danger.
Besides, Newt the Moron must have been watching The Daily Show last Thursday when John Stewart said the same thing.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:01 pmThe ELECTION approaches. Time to catapult the fear.
Not only is it WWIII, but it’s the bird flu, suicide bomber, west nile, anthrax, mad cow, globlal warming, supervolcano ,George Bush, rapture.
Most people realize the greatest thing we have to fear is George Bush himself.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:01 pmI believe that this will expand the action from Afghanistan and Iraq to include Syria and Iran, who have been supporting the insurgents in Afghanistan and Iraq. This was inevitable and necessary to stablize the region.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:07 pm#21 - “…. in Israel their aggression towards their neighbors for several decades now is the root cause of their own problems and many of Americas as well…” Gerhard Gibson
******You mean the aggression Israel engaged in when she won the Gaza and Sinai after being attacked on THREE SIDES?? You mean the aggression Israel engaged in when they agreed to give that PIG AraFAT over 90% of his demands in a peace accord - and the PIG said it wasn’t enough?? You mean the aggression of blowing up Saddam’s nuclear facility??? Perhaps you think it was aggressive for Israel to remove the settlers from the Gaza Strip (as they returned the Sinai Penninsula)?
Gerald, If you would pull your nose out of pro-terrorist websites and anti-Jewish websites,you might learn something and you wouldn’t sound like a neo-Nazi….
July 16th, 2006 at 5:08 pmI really don’t think anyone wants this situation to escalate, but I don’t think it’s prudent to allow terrorists and miscreants to threaten the sovereign territory of Israel. It’s not as though Hezbollah and Hamas are a knitting group of grandmothers who Israel is indiscriminately going after. Hezbollah continues to fire rockets, unguided rockets mind you, into Israeli cities with no other intention than inflicting civilian causalities and death.
If we are uncomfortable with the US supporting Israel in this conflict, what should we do?
Should the US be backing Hezbollah in this conflict?
July 16th, 2006 at 5:15 pmWasn’t some other warmongering pundit months back already proclaiming that the conflict our country started in Iraq was WWIII? So Gingrich, when not engaging in wishful thinking, is already late with his decidering.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:19 pm“…brought to you by PNAC“
July 16th, 2006 at 5:25 pmThis is another result of the horrible foreign policy misjudgements of the Bush administration.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:26 pmNot being fully involved in this part of the middle east discord, is caused by being overwhelmed by the Iraq morass. History will blame him for the state of the world after he is gone. Hopefully God will save us from further damage, and send us a democrat to show the way to peace. Maybe Jesus will appear and show the way……….
#60 - So Hamas and Hezbollah cross the Israeli border to kidnap soldiers because of President Bush’s “foreign policy misjudgements”?
At least that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:28 pm60 - So Hamas and Hezbollah cross the Israeli border to kidnap soldiers because of President Bush’s “foreign policy misjudgements�
At least that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.
Comment by Chase — July 16, 2006 @ 5:28 pm
No but it very likely that it has emboldened Israel, to be far more aggressive than necessary, due to the fact that it will be much harder for Iran to aid in protecting Syria if Israel makes good on it’s promise to attack Damascus. With Iraq under US control, what country will give them flyover rights. Also, even though Iraq and Iran were/are enemies, they would likely find a common enemy in Israel under an event like a major attack on Syria.
C’mon buddy boy… i’s not that hard to figure out is it? You’ll get it eventually.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:38 pmThanks anyway Newt, the world does not need your help. Of course, if you really want to do something positive, a ‘45 caliber shell to your skull would make a world of difference.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:40 pm- Chase:
So Hamas and Hezbollah cross the Israeli border to kidnap soldiers because of President Bush’s “foreign policy misjudgements�
Please read through this and then try to assert with such conviction that Hamas and Hezbollah are soley…or even primarily… at fault for this conflict.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:42 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — July 16, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
This is from the same guy who said the people in Guantanamo didn’t have any rights under the Constitution. Seems the Supreme Court disagreed with him on that one.
The sad thing is 29% of the population will blindly buy the argument that World War III is inevitable and necessary.
They’re just going to be in for one hell of a surprise when the “rapture” comes in the form of a mushroom cloud.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:49 pmTripMaster, good link. but the conflict goes back way further. I did a fair amount of research a few years ago in preparation for writing an opretta on the situation. In contemporary times, it started in the early 1900’s with a Jewish immigration to Palestine using sometimes peaceful, sometimes forceful means.
July 16th, 2006 at 5:55 pm#64 - That’s a wonderful conspiracy theory - I’d put it right up there with the Grassy Knoll.
I also give it about as much credibility.
What I see, and what the reasonable world sees, are state-independent organizations that are Hell bent on destroying Israel. As they are woefully outmatched in weaponry, their only viable tactic is terrorism. Detonating explosive vests in street cafes, crossing borders to kidnap soldiers, and firing unguided missiles into Israeli cities are their modus operandi.
Lebanon is too weak to effectively contain the Hezbollah militants and in Palestine, Hamas is the government.
The United States should stay on the sidelines as long as Iran stays on the sidelines. I fear the time is approaching unfortunately, where Iran becomes an active participant.
Our demonstrated weakness in Iraq has emboldened Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran to attack our staunch and dependable ally. Those extremists believe that we are unwilling to defend the sovereignty of Israel from repeated violations by personnel and rockets.
July 16th, 2006 at 6:05 pm#64 - MonkeyTripe cites self-laothing American prof, Noam Chomsky as a way to explain the “poor, benighted Terrorist” point of view. How sophisticated (!) - but not very original.
“What’s happening in Gaza … begins with the Hamas election, back the end of January. Israel and the United States at once announced that they were going to punish the people of Palestine for voting the wrong way in a free election. And the punishment has been severe.”
*****Hamas would not have been elected if Yasser and his crew had not plundered the take from generous donor nations. Has anybody seen the Widow AraFAT anywhere except the bank or a boutique?? No, we have NO obligation to fund a terror enterprise which has a stated goal of wiping an ally off the map. The previous prisoner exchange foolishly undertaken by Israel did not engender any warm feelings - but it did reinforce the notion that Israel had an exposed Achilles tendon ripe for the strike.
“If someone complains about the abduction of a soldier from the oppressors, point out that: If there’s a conflict going on, aside physical war, not in a military conflict going on, abduction — if soldiers are captured, they are to be treated humanely. But it is not a crime at the level of capture of civilians and bringing them across the border into your own country. That’s a serious crime. And that’s the one that’s not reported. And, in fact, remember that — I mean, I don’t have to tell you that there are constant attacks going on in Gaza, which is basically a prison, huge prison, under constant attack all the time: economic strangulation, military attack, assassinations, and so on. In comparison with that, abduction of a soldier, whatever one thinks about it, doesn’t rank high in the scale of atrocities.”
*****Prof Chump neglects to mention the eight murdered soldiers taken out by Hezbollah, the number of americans killed by Hezbollah since 1983 or the tunnel into Israel under the border with Gaza. Why confuse someone with a singular point of view with facts?
July 16th, 2006 at 6:05 pmGingrich wants American boys to die for that little shit country Israel. Hizbollah is a resistance movement, like past resistance movements e.g. ANC, IRA who emerged to fight tyranny. Todays tyrants are America and Israel. Gingrich and other dumb ass Americans do not understand the innate desire of freedom movments to rid themselves of their hegemonists. Has he ever heard of the Founding Fathers and their noble fight against British tyrants ?
July 16th, 2006 at 6:08 pmStaying on topic = ignore dissenting opinions.
Ya gotta love Think Progress.
July 16th, 2006 at 6:08 pmI have been watching a German movie on the final days of Hitler in the bunker. Although there were doubters, it’s amazing how many loyalists were willing to die with him. Unfortunately we have a very, very sick political situation in the U.S. in which power for power’s sake has replaced all rational goals. Bush’s loyalists will die with him, figuratively or otherwise. Let’s not think irrational thoughts ourselves but work towards courageous solutions to the problem of an Executive branch completely out of control.
July 16th, 2006 at 6:10 pm#64 - That’s a wonderful conspiracy theory - I’d put it right up there with the Grassy Knoll.
I also give it about as much credibility.
Comment by Chase — July 16, 2006 @ 6:05 pm
Conspiracy theory? LOL!
Read this and then lets talk…
The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
July 16th, 2006 at 6:13 pm- Chase:
That’s a wonderful conspiracy theory - I’d put it right up there with the Grassy Knoll.
I also give it about as much credibility.
Your characterizing the information I offered as ‘up there with the Grassy Knoll’ speaks volumes about your mindset.
If you don’t give credence to the last article I linked to, try this one (that is, if you have the courage to challenge your preconceived assumptions).
The United States should stay on the sidelines as long as Iran stays on the sidelines.
That’s the sanest thing I’ve seen in this entire thread. It’s truly a pity your opinion doesn’t dovetail with our government’s ulterior motives.
I fear the time is approaching unfortunately, where Iran becomes an active participant.
I fear the time where Iran is accused of being an active participant…because, after all, accusation = proof for this administration.
(Side note: Hezbollah is using rockets supplied by Iran…does this make Iran an ‘active participant’? to those who would argue in the affirmative, a reminder that
Israel’s arms were supplied by the U.S. is in order…)
Our demonstrated weakness in Iraq has emboldened Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran to attack our staunch and dependable ally.
Two things:
1) Iran isn’t involved yet. Please don’t jump the gun.
2) ’staunch and dependable ally’? You do know that there has never been a treaty between Isrrael and the U.S., right?
Those extremists believe that we are unwilling to defend the sovereignty of Israel from repeated violations by personnel and rockets.
Please read this and then get back to me about ‘extremists’. Kthx.
July 16th, 2006 at 6:36 pm#72 - I actually read though the unedited version a while back. I think my visceral complaints are more eloquently stated by James Taranto. Read that here.
In summation he argues the following, largely debunking the anti-Semitic article:
July 16th, 2006 at 6:38 pm- mighty aphrodite:
Prof Chump neglects to mention the eight murdered soldiers taken out by Hezbollah, the number of americans killed by Hezbollah since 1983 or the tunnel into Israel under the border with Gaza.
Read this website and then get back to me about how evil Hezbollah and Hamas is.
And here’s an extra credit assignment for you: Google “Lavon Affair” and report what you find.
Class dismissed.
July 16th, 2006 at 6:43 pmZionists started it right after WWII… remember there was NO Israel for 2000 years. Rome destroyed Israel. The zionists did not just appear out of no where… they came from europe.
Now neither the zionists nor the arabs seem to have their own version of Ghandi nor MLK Jr. All they can do is call for revenge after revenge…. where are the supposed religious leaders from each side? What of the “peace makers” the christians of the world? All of them are either part of the revenge cycle or are MIA…
And America has no leader at this time … just more of the people involved in the revenge cycle.
Humanity at its most pathetic.
July 16th, 2006 at 7:02 pmGerald, the earliest emmigrants arrived shortly after WWI as I recall.
But America does have one leader at this time … a lone mother crying out against the insanity of war; someone who was hurt enough and devastated enough to no longer care about her own life, nor what others said about her, yet bold enough to hold those responsible for Bush’s War accountable.
July 16th, 2006 at 7:09 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire
Well if you want to talk about the normal ebb and flow of jews to the area then ya jews have been there for 2000 years… but that is totally different than the massive human trafficing effort the zionists operated after WWII … it was an intentional land grab. They were even bombing the british that were the “managers” of palastine at the time…. just like the arabs do against the Israelis now…
That land grab has brought the entire world to where it is today as far the ME violence goes…
July 16th, 2006 at 7:12 pmKnewt’s happen when 63% of the voting public are to lazy to vote……..Rove and bull shit bush are doing hand stands right now and hoping Israel will carry out their plan to try and bring Iran to it’s knees…..In the middle of it all are innocents and soldiers being killed by the hour….I believe this Israel thing is being pushed to cover up a loss in Iraq and continue fueling the fear tactic for the american public…….Israel as usual is playing the abused and yet the body count is far greater for all others in Lebanon and Palestine than for Israel. Of course they are claiming some one else threw the first stone..Not so by the new’s I have heard, but does it matter to the men, women and children that Israel has already killed…Good job, blowing up the air port so no one can escape except with US help…In the end the entire ME will be at war and the ones to benefit will be the one’s benefiting now, big business and politicians………..Blessings, we need them…Peace, we must demand it for all.
July 16th, 2006 at 7:14 pmIf this was America and someone had done the land grab to us… how long would we fight? Forever? Would we give in at somepoint and just let them have it? When will the arabs finally just give in? Never?
July 16th, 2006 at 7:14 pmYou expect her to do research? Have you learned nothing?
July 16th, 2006 at 7:25 pmGerald, an interesting twist to you last post…..Isn’t it the Saudi prince that bush is such good friends with, the same bunch that now have the DUBI ports deal.? Ah yes they do have the ports deal…Heard they coulden’t find a buyer so we are now owned by China (debt) and our ports by Dubi…..Werent some of these same Saudis the ones that funded the terrorests (9/11) The prince and his wife funded them..It was in all the papers and news. Lets see, bush has his hand up the dress of the Saudi prince and all these bad guys are in business with daddy bush and the Carlile group. Money changers and the best of friends. Now we throw rove into the mix, a mental defective that sees he’s loosing the war he helped make in Iraq and all the big players get nervious. What will they do about November.? Why. start another conflict ofcourse…..I’m not being critical of any posters here today, not you or any one else, just want to point out we are all being manipilated by some very evil people and in the end this lunitic bunch of warmongers may find a war and mass amount of people that they can no longer control with their baught media blitzes……Blessings
July 16th, 2006 at 7:33 pmLucinda and all, great posts……Blessings
July 16th, 2006 at 8:12 pm“Your flag decal won’t get you into heaven anymore,
It’s already overcrowded,
By your dirty little war.
And Jesus don’t like killin’
No matter what the reason for.
And you flag decal won’t get you
Into heaven anymore.”
John Prine
July 16th, 2006 at 8:15 pmReading these comments from a distance (ie Australia ), I cannot help feeling that
July 16th, 2006 at 8:23 pmyou live in a very brutalized society ! Brute force is the only instrument you like to use.
Principles are espoused but not practised.
What possesed your government to invade Iraq ? Your foreign policies are schizo
First you create Saddam then cry. This is just one of hundreds of bush fires you have started, what gives?
Until Israel recognizes the legitimate rights of the Palestinians who have been dispossesed over 40yrs ago, this ain’t going nowwhere. I don’t mean handover everything, but say, “hey, you guys did live here, we did drive you out and now we want to helpout” How much would it cost? Any more than the squillions wasted on self defence and war machines from both sides? Not to mention the wasted 40odd yrs of hate
Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.
Wow, you mean the UN hasn’t passed a resolution against a non-country? Wild and crazy stuff I tell you. With the UN in the tank for Israel, and other permanent members in the tank for the Palestinians, it’s quite illuminating that 65 resolutions have actually been passed against Israel at all without the US vetoing them all. The UN usually never passes resolutions holding the Palestinians accountable for anything.
Besides, your source is put out by someone named Alison Weir, and she pretends that every war involving Israel was a result of Israel attacking others, when most of us know that that’s BS. The Arab states around Israel attacked Israel after they didn’t like the UN’s decision about Israel.
July 16th, 2006 at 8:28 pm- andy:
What possesed your government to invade Iraq ? Your foreign policies are schizo
Google “PNAC”. That should answer any questions you have regarding our collective insanity.
July 16th, 2006 at 8:29 pmCNN is now reporting that eight Canadian citizens have been killed in Israeli air strikes.
Comment by DrSinker — July 16, 2006 @ 3:48 pm
Does that mean that Canada is now going to bomb Isreal?
July 16th, 2006 at 8:30 pmThank you. That’s the best laugh I’ve had all day!
Sharon (82), Rove is not a mental defective, he is a master of Machiavelian tactics. We must recognize that what comes from Rove is not the result of a defective mind, but of a diabolically clever one. Otherwise he will outmanouver you at every turn. He knows quite well, for example, how to manipulate the 29% who will blindly follow anyone who promises to alleviate their fears.
and Peace and Blessings to you, as well. if you ever wish to contact me off-board, let me know.
July 16th, 2006 at 8:33 pmwhat a maroon
July 16th, 2006 at 8:35 pmHaifa is being bombed……the underdogs are winning!!
July 16th, 2006 at 8:52 pm#57 - Chase,
July 16th, 2006 at 8:53 pmAmerica should support Lebanon. It is the best path to a solution
BnF, you are right on about rove, sometimes my choice of words don’t quite fit. I should of said he is as evil as cheney and crazy as bush……Would like to contact you and thank you for the offer to corrospond. As long as we can keep the trolls and roaches away…LOL….Blessings
July 16th, 2006 at 8:56 pmThe War on Terrorism pits the forces of freedom and democracy against the forces of tyranny. Unless you are ready to shred the Constitution and live under radical Islamic rule, this is a war we must win - for ourselves and for our children. With the enemy producing videotapes and Web sites to get its message across, the meaning of this war couldn’t be clearer.
But Newt Gingrich is wrong - this is World War IV. World War III pitted the forces of freedom and democracy against communism. (We won.)
This is discussed completely in a new book: Anthony and the Magic Picture Frame. World War IV is not news to even the youngest readers of this book.
http://www.magicpictureframe.blogspot.com/
July 16th, 2006 at 9:02 pmJoe carib, sadly the latest is Israel 12 lost and all others over 100…….Palestine and Lebanon are the hardest hit thus far….So much for the abused Israles…….War is good for nothing except exterminating innocent people and lining the pockets of the warmongers and land grabbers………Blessings, demand peace in the world.
July 16th, 2006 at 9:04 pmAs former speaker of the House, Newt should know that only Congress can declare war, not the president. Gingrich really is a dumpkoft.
July 16th, 2006 at 9:12 pmNewt should know that only Congress can declare war, not the president.
Someone really ought to tell the president that…
July 16th, 2006 at 9:37 pmtalk about political corruption …. these bozo’s think
they are, that’s right… all mighty little God’s.
I thought per sa only congress could declare war
or have politics become SO CORRUPTED that
the constitution is just a god — piece of paper
and Bush has the authority to do anything that
he pleases of course to please Cheney who of
course severed all ties with Halliburton?
Sound’s like LOTS of christmas money and CORRUPT!
July 16th, 2006 at 9:41 pmOh…. i forgot… that’s right
July 16th, 2006 at 9:43 pmGingrich and all the cronies
$20,000 per chair, that is silk
covered chairs
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July 16th, 2006 at 9:44 pmDuring WWII we defined our enemies as the Axis and by Country. Basically, the bad guys were the Germans, Italians, Japanese, and a few French. We had sense enough to beat the enemy first and then sort out the good bad guys from the bad bad guys. It wasn’t always right nor always nice but it was effective and probably the best way. We may be in WWII or IV now but everybody is trying to sort out the good bad guys from the bad bad guys using the Bushco standard of who has the most oil before beating the enemy. The enemy in this case comprises what has been classified for all my life time as the Arab nations and the natural enemies of the Jews for several thousand years. If we are indeed in WWIII or IV it is counter-productive and not in the best interests of we true Americans, discounting the greed of the Bushco, to be selective of the enemies before we win the war. The only way to win the war on “terrorism” is to call it what it is, a war against Arabs, and act accordingly. Attack every Arab Country that does not agree to a complete unilateral surrender and dispose of all those “terrorists” before the sorting is done. The mess in the Middle East will go on forever unless there are only Arabs or only Jews. Neither of the two sides will play by our rules unless we adopt the only rule that DUHbya recognizes: “Play ball with me or I will shove the bat up your ass.” If we are not prepared to win this war then we should get the farr out of there and let those left annihilate each other and then deal with the winner.
July 16th, 2006 at 9:56 pmGood point’s Clyde, may I add we need to clean up our terrible administration first off and stop getting in other countries business perminetly. Helping other chosen countries put corrupt dictators in power and giving nuclear goodies to some is not something we should ever do……..Blessings, Peace and justice can go hand in hand.
July 16th, 2006 at 10:13 pmAnd this is the 58th year of the war to destroy Israel and, frankly, the Israelis have every right to insist that every single missile leave south Lebanon, and the United States ought to be helping the Lebanese government have the strength to eliminate Hezbollah as a military force — not as a political force in the parliament — but as a military force in south Lebanon.
What? So, Palestinians attacked Israel, an unformed jewish state back 1948 and control jewish waters, jewish salaries, jewish supplies, jewish way of living, jewish transportation lines and decide whether jewishs are terrorists or not? This guy is full of shit.
July 16th, 2006 at 10:22 pmSharon, you can reach me at myspammailbox at hotmail dot com.
July 16th, 2006 at 10:33 pmWhen you get your fill of these sorry neo-nazi bastards, vote them all out of office in November…we need a clean slate to start proceedings against the bastards who are taking over our nation and destroying our constitution. Each and everyone that has failed to uphold the constitution has violated their oath and should be fired, the bastards work for us.
July 16th, 2006 at 10:44 pmIsn’t this the liar with that fake contract with America. Now lets see he called Clinton a sinner for having a fling with Monica while he was having an affair when his wife knew nothing about it and he was living with his girlfriend. Now he has all the answers what a joke.
July 16th, 2006 at 10:53 pmThere is a reason we are not hearing any evidence of other civilizations from other planets around other stars. There is probably some sweet spot where ancient history lingers with new technology that destroys 19999 out of 20000 planets.
We should get out of the Middle East and do something drastic with our dependence on the culture of oil. Get out of supporting Israel. You feel loyalty to Israel wonderful… go live there. Israel is NOT a US state. It would be like the Mormons demanded to have a part of China because their holy book mentioned it 2000 years ago.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:04 pmGreat Clyde,
July 16th, 2006 at 11:18 pmAnd I am so sure that left to there own devices (nuclear devices that is) they will just fight it out amongst themselves and we won’t be affected. Open your eyes before the wind blows something fissionable in to them. Appeasement didn’t work to limit the rush to have nuclear devices under Clinton (they just did it in secret) and it wont work now. These people only understand a show of force; it is the nature of their religion and their culture. Newt was right about this. I agree that bush didn’t handle Iraq in the best manor but at least he handled it. If the terrorist saw a unified USA and didn’t see the shit pumped out by the CNN’s of the media every day they might not feel so emboldened. Take note it is WWIII but it is a new kind of war one without uniforms and use of proper rules of engagement.
No matter what Newt says, I always think of him delivering those divorce papers to his wife (can’t remember which one, sorry) in the hospital when she was dying.
I can’t listen to a man like that. And besides, do we need another sociopath in the White House? I think not.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:36 pm#111 Christoper,
July 17th, 2006 at 12:13 amNewt asked wife #1 for a divorce while she was in the hospital following a cancer operation. I don’t think she was dying at the time, but still the guy showed extraordinary insensitivity.
If he thinks the US should be helping, maybe he ought to go over there and fight. America is sick of war, death, destruction, doom and gloom. Time for a change. Is this supposed to put more fear into us so we think George is doing a great job on terrorism, especially just before the elections. None of this would have been happening if we weren’t in Iraq. It’s time to bring the troops home, and if the Republicans want all this war and hate spread across the world, let them do the fighting. America is sick of it and we know the game. Now are they going to say we have to help Isreal. I feel it’s all part of a plan. Every bit of it. It’s time to IMPEACH before there is no world.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:13 am#109 Piper
I think that is what I said! At least I agree with you.
To put it in the vernacular, just plain and simple, “we need to shit or get off the pot,” and either choice entails having the Bushco in the pot before we flush.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:24 amLora,
I thought that wife was dying. Maybe she lived for awhile. I hope she did. The fact is that this man has serious psychological problems, and those problems, in a normal world, would keep him from running for president. And, as so many have said, let Newt and the other warmongers go fight in the wars they dream. Please, no more poor kids from small towns with no decent job prospects. Also, please note that these war-obsessed politicos are all Christian. What does this mean?
July 17th, 2006 at 12:24 amIn my opinion, Israel does what it does because the U.S. always has their back. Israel could deliberately bomb a school and the official U.S. response would be something like, ‘it was actually a terrorist camp’.
I could give a shit about Israel because as far as I’m concerned they’ve completely abused the gift that was given them. A homeland. A great many of the early Jewish refugees went from country to country on ships trying to find someone to take them in. No one wanted them. So the United Nations (resolution 181) decided to carve out a chunk of Palestine and gave it to them. Of course they’ve been attacked by and have attacked the Arabs in all surrounding areas since. For nearly 60 years they haven’t figured out how to talk to each other like adults. Blinded by religion and the thinking that their religious history entitles them to that land or any land with no exceptions. And the U.S. government backs them at all costs because there are some who believe that they will be granted some special dispensation from God if Israel is protected. Crazy? No crazier than killing for your god when your god specifically forbids you to kill. Religions are the root of all the conflicts in the middle east and pretty much everywhere else (with the exception of where oil is involved, in which case it’s just pure greed).
Those people over there need to wake up and decide what kind of world they want just as we do. Because if they don’t very soon, their conflict will eventually spread like a fast growing cancer and become a thorn in everyone’s side. They never accomplish anything. They always revert to tit-for-tat attacks. Childish and infantile. There are actually a great many people that want this violence to increase so as to help facilitate the fulfillment of some weird interpretation of biblical prophecy. Just because some frightened old men wrote a load of stories about 2000 years ago doesn’t make them true or absolute. People can change anything they want. Us, them, anyone, anywhere, anytime. You just have to choose to make that choice.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:33 amO’Reilly’s straight talk is on the mark… …
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July 17th, 2006 at 12:41 am82. “Isn’t it the Saudi prince that bush is such good friends with,” –Sharon Cox
The Bush that Bandar Bush is such friends with is the older one, GHWB.
GFH is not anyone’s friend. He has buboes.
And if he breathes on you, the Komodo dragon saliva is deadly.
You ought to see him at state dinners. He’ll eat five, six chickens, whole, feathers and all.
Even Condi is afraid of sleeping with him.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:06 amYes Missy
July 17th, 2006 at 1:06 amLet’s put flowers in our rifles and sing koombiya.
Believe me I wish the world was this nice a place but it’s not. The world has people like Hitler, Khamenei, Ghengis Kahn, Leonid (we will crush you) Brezhnev and many others that want to rule the world and its people in their own way. We on the other hand want to let the people choose who their leaders will be in a democratic society. Also remember that Israel is the only free democratic society in the region. Do I have to remind you that women are still not allowed to enter soccer stadiums, operate computers or post on blogs in Iran? Do you think this is what they would choose if they had a choice in the matter?
Didn’t someone important say we must be the voice for the oppressed? Oh and please guys don’t be trite and say I left President Bush off the list.
117. “O’Reilly’s straight”
MORE LIES FROM THE RIGHTWING.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:07 amNewt is correct about one thing: If Israel attacks Syria and/or Iran, then the conflict will become WWIII, but not if the fighting remains in Lebanon only! The Bush Regime, Neocons, and the Israeli right-wing fanatics want to bomb the crao out of Syria and Iran, so they all hope an excuse is found to do it!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:09 amCorrection > crap not crao > lol > typo!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:10 am“people like Hitler, Khamenei, Ghengis Kahn, Leonid (we will crush you) Brezhnev and many others that want to rule the world and its people in their own way. We on the other hand want to let the people choose who their leaders will be in a democratic society. ”
That’s HILARIOUS. What about the Bush coup in Haiti didn’t you understand?
What about dismantling Iraq, after poisoning every kid there with half-strength uranium, don’t you understand?
Dream on, mythmaker. Bringing demockery to the world, one failed state at a time.
Oh, and Reagan-Bush arming Hussein with chemical and biological weapons so he could commit the warcrimes he is on trial for was REAL democratic behavior.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:10 amPosing for president is he?
Just when you thought things couldn’t get any worse, along comes gingrich. The man who left his dying wife for a young intern or some such shit.
The repubs think he’s still “fresh” to the public, whereas the frists, hasterts, cheneys and bushes are “tired” in the public’s eyes.
Note to repubs: Going back to your damaged roots cannot bring you back from the precipice. You are LOST. So are most dems, but like in the current mid-east debacle, you have to see who is the greater evil, and guess what…it’s you.
Talk all you want slithering newt, no one is listening.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:12 amThe charismatic black leader Jean-Bertrand Aristide was elected president in 1991, but was deposed in a coup shortly after. There followed three years of brutal control by a military junta, before an American invasion in 1994 returned Aristide to power. One of the first acts of the re-installed government of Aristide was to disband the army, to great popular acclaim.
Aristide was succeeded by a close ally and former prime minister, René Préval, in 1996. While Aristide was the first democratically elected president in Haitian history, Préval’s administration was most notable for the fact that he was the first person in Haiti’s history to be elected president and to serve his complete term, leaving office voluntary at the prescribed time. Every previous president had either died in office, been assassinated, been deposed, overstayed his prescribed term, or been installed by a foreign power.
Aristide returned to office in 2001 after elections that were boycotted by many of his opponents, who accused his party, Fanmi Lavalas, of counting votes improperly in a previous senatorial election, as well as threatening critics. Aristide denied the charges and accused his opponents of accepting U.S. assistance, and plotting to overthrow his government. The opposition mostly denied this, but many of its members continually called for his early resignation.
In February 2004, the Aristide government was overthrown by armed rebels. These rebels were led by disenchanted urban gangs formerly working for Fanmi Lavalas and demobilized soldiers. All of these armed opponents were alleged to be allied with the political opposition. As Aristide departed the country, many members of his government fled or went into hiding, and the United States again sent Marines into Port-au-Prince. After Aristide’s departure, Supreme Court Chief Justice Boniface Alexandre succeeded to the presidency appointed by a council of elders and supported by the United States, Canada, and France.
Elections were held in February 2006, and René Préval was again elected president.
Sounds like the system worked to me!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:39 amHaiti has an elected president and a more stable govt.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:42 amdemockery Very telling about you isn’t it. Next you’l be spouting off about global warming. Some people just hate capitalism and want to crush it at every turn.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:46 amPiper >some of your post 125 is correct about what happened in Haiti! I lived and worked in Haiti in 1983, when “Baby Doc” Duvalier was the dictator there > later I helped President Aristide after he was overthrown in the first coup against him in 1991! The 2nd coup against him in 2004 was funded and directed by the Bush Administration > the rebels were outfitted in the Dominican Republic, then slipped across the border into Haiti! Aristide against his will was flown out of the country to Africa by our CIA! The Latortue/Alexandre government were stooges! Rene Preval was elected this past February, but Aristide never actually abdicated the presidency, even though he has agreed from exile that Preval has replaced him!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:15 amSome people just hate capitalism and want to crush it at every turn.
I don’t think you know what your talking about when you say capitalist.
July 17th, 2006 at 3:04 amLook their goes one now!!
http://www.rawstory.com/ news/ 2006/ Congressman_Tom_DeLay_out_human_dignity_0607.html
Indentured servitude, sweatshops–even forced abortions–are well-documented practices in Marianas islands factories, which have thus far managed to avoid U.S. labor laws while still, as a U.S. territory, applying “Made in the U.S.A.” labels to the finished product. DeLay extolled the Saipan garment industry as a perfect petri dish of capitalism.”
“For more than ten years, my efforts, and the efforts of so many others, have been thwarted,” Miller said, “by the corrupt partnership of two of Washingtons most powerful players: Representative Tom DeLay and lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
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So yes, imagine that, people, not Delay, want to crush capitalism because they ‘hate it’
Thank you, Newt Gingrinch, for so eloquently demonstrating your complete lack of fitness for political office. Your hypocrisy is well known, campaigning for morality while engaged in extramarital affairs and demonstrating an absence of even a shred of compassion. This statement goes to the heart of your sanity, as you proudly proclaim it is the duty of the United States to bring a swift end to the human race on this planet. Please return to the safety of fabricating history to your liking, predatory marriage, and fleecing anyone foolish enough to believe a single word that slips from your forked tongue.
July 17th, 2006 at 3:53 amBush escalates the hate
U.S. President George W. Bush, who is currently in Saint Petersburg for the G8 summit, refused to ask Israel to stop attacks on Lebanon, saying on Sunday: “Our message to Israel is defend yourself, but be mindful of the consequences, so we are urging restraint.”
While most countries are appealing for a truce and have accused Israel of disproportionate use of force after the abduction of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah on Wednesday, such a statement by Bush and his like-minded envoy to the UN, John Bolton, who blocked a Security Council resolution against the attack on Lebanon on Friday, leaves little doubt that the U.S. is an accomplice in the attack and could care less about the tragedy unfolding in Lebanon, which has barely emerged from the Israeli-instigated civil war and occupation.
The U.S. blocked the UN Security Council resolution despite the fact that Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora talked to Bush on the phone on Thursday, asking him to put pressure on Israel to stop the savage attacks on the tiny state.
If Bush would have seen with his eyes how eighteen civilians, including nine children, were burnt alive in a helicopter gunship attack, would he have again said that Israel has the “right to defend itself� If so, then God should have mercy on us all. In Saint Petersburg, Condoleezza Rice also rejected calls for a truce, saying not addressing the underlying causes of the conflict might make things worse.
July 17th, 2006 at 4:59 am#115 Christoper,
July 17th, 2006 at 7:39 amI believe the first Mrs. Gingrich survived her cancer operation and her years with that creep. I do hope she got a fat alimony settlement out of him–one of the true faces of “compassionate conservatism.”
- plunger:
Don’t forget the more recent 2004 video tape, in which ‘Osama’ looks totally different, and, again, is demonstrably not Osama bin Laden.
The deeper you dig, the deeper the lies go.
July 17th, 2006 at 8:32 am- plunger:
This is THE GAME.
Agreed. Syria and Iran are being set a goal they have no hope of achieving.
When they fail (predictably), Dubya & Company will cite this ‘lack of cooperation’ as evidence of ‘bad faith’, and WWIII will be on in earnest.
July 17th, 2006 at 8:50 amEveryone should read “Conservatives Without Conscience” by John Dean. It’s regarding the “authoritiarian conservative,” and Gingrich certainly fits within that category. Dean considers them extremely dangerous people, and a threat to our democracy.
July 17th, 2006 at 10:34 amBuck wild…
The news out of Lebanon and Israel just gets crazier this morning….
July 17th, 2006 at 10:40 amIt’s WORLD WAR IV.
CIA, KGB, MI6, MOSSAD widely acknowlegde through memoirs by officers that the Cold War was regarded as the Third World War.
Anyway, this has to be the Fourth World War.
I didn’t set up this blog for nothing :
http://www.the4thworldwar.blogspot.com
July 17th, 2006 at 12:10 pmIt’s not World War III and it’s not even close. It is a vitriolic regional conflict that Gingrich, Rove and others would like to turn to partisan advantage.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:59 pmPiper #119 you left pres bush off the list !!! Yeah we love democracy even if weve been overthrowing them for the past 60 years ,and supporting the planets worst tyrants (saddam?) as foreign policy.I remember last spring I saw a great piece on CNN about the presidents new commission set up to support fledgling democracies all over the world ,then later that same day caught Aristede on democracy now saying the US has overthrown my gov’t and kinapped me ,held me hostage for 2 days at the airport and flew me against my will out of Haiti.Couldn’t find that story in any other newsroom .Our love of democracy is the worst BS ever propogandized ,and an outright lie !!!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:12 pm[…] “World War III”, the new scare-the-bejesus-out-of-the-voters product launch from the GOP, courtesy of Newt Gingrich. […]
July 17th, 2006 at 1:13 pmSHAME !!!!!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:15 pm#75 - Thank you, Monkey Tripe, for linking an unFAIR and un-balanced website whose board members are used as a SOURCE in a Aryan website, http://www.nationalvanguard.org. Here’s what these bigots at nationalvanguard say about themselves:
“National Vanguard is what you’ve been looking for: an intelligent and responsible organization that stands up for the interests of White people.” It’s easy to identify friends and foes with who lines up on the sides of warring factions.
From MonkeyTripes’ referenced site:
“….Finally, in 1947 the United Nations decided to intervene. However, rather than adhering to the democratic principle espoused decades earlier by Woodrow Wilson of “self-determination of peoples,” in which the people themselves create their own state and system of government, the UN chose to revert to the medieval strategy whereby an outside power arbitrarily divides up other people’s land.”
The “history” you cite and apparently rely jumps from the early 20th century to 1947 - all in a single bound! Notice the failure to fill in the Years of the Holocaust?? For shame!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:34 pm[…] It seems like every time there is a new crisis in the world it is the end of times. There was the same talk in ’91 when the Gulf War started. The difference is that now the neo-cons are driving our government and they may believe this so much that they force a World War because they think that is what is going to bring the end of the world to us. It will just be the end of the world as we know it. Newt Gingrich came out yesterday on Meet the Press and said the US needs to be helping because this is in fact World War 3. […]
July 17th, 2006 at 1:45 pmmighty ignorance ever seen a real war or even a real war photo? What was the lesson you took from the holocaust that only the lives of jews are important ?I guess the whole world endless condemnation of Isreals actions of 60 years with only the US as the sole veto on the security council is all based on anti semitism.You can see beyond race lady .look in the mirror if you dare !!!!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:01 pmALL GODS CHILDREN
July 17th, 2006 at 2:02 pmDear Mr./Ms. Freeman - The whole world used to think slavery was a pretty good idea to integrate in economies. Were they right?? I suggest you pull up your drawers as your ignorance and bigotry is showing.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:07 pmYour the slaver lady .Slavery is fine if it isn’t another jew( old testament , GOD SPEAKING ),Isn’t that the line you meant to write !Oh and as a New yorker with jewish friends, your a racist !!!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:21 pmcheck out a few war photo’s from Iraq ,They aren’t jewish but you maight still feel a twinge of compassion!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:22 pmI’m not Jewish but the photo’s of the holocaust bother me is it because Jews are more important than othrer people ?
July 17th, 2006 at 2:27 pmOr because they’re other human beings ?
July 17th, 2006 at 2:33 pmIf those sentiments make me anti semitic or un patriotic then I’ll wear the title like a yellow star of david on my chest ! Proudly !
July 17th, 2006 at 2:36 pmMighty aphrodite you’d make a good Nazi.!.SHAME !!!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:38 pmDear Freeman - Living in New York, you might have Jewish friends, but only because you don’t know it….i hear they’re looking for good little ant-Jews in the New Black Panthers or the Aryan Brotherhood - - an anti-Jewish organization for every epidermis!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:43 pmPlease its you who c