VIDEO: Rice Calls Idea That Iraq War Contributed To Regional Instability ‘Grotesque’
VIDEO: Rice Calls Idea That Iraq War Contributed To Regional Instability ‘Grotesque’
Today on ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos pointed out that the Bush administration repeatedly promised that war in Iraq would bring peace and stability to the Middle East. But as the recent violence in the Middle East has shown, the region has actually fallen deeper into instability and unrest since the war began. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told Stephanopoulos it was “grotesque” to suggest that the Iraq war contributed to that instability. Watch it:
Full transcript:
STEPHANOPOULOS: But before the war in Iraq many argued that going into Iraq would stir up a hornet’s nest. The administration strongly disagreed and here’s what Vice President Cheney had to say in August 2002.
CHENEY (VIDEO): I believe the opposite is true. Regime change in Iraq would bring about a number of benefits to the region, extremists in the region would have to rethink their strategy of jihad, moderates throughout the region would take heart, and our ability to advance the Israeli/Palestinian peace process would be enhanced.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Extremists now appear to have been emboldened. The moderates appear to be in retreat. There is no peace process. There is war. How do you answer administration critics who say that the administration’s actions have unleashed, have helped unleash the very hostilities you hoped to contain?
RICE: Well, first of all, those hostilities were not very well contained as we found out on September 11th, so the notion that policies that finally confront extremism are actually causing extremism, I find grotesque.
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Rice is evil and qrotesque.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:15 amReality, I don’t need no stinkin reality!!!!
July 16th, 2006 at 11:19 amYes Kay, she is grotesque. She is a fiesty little squealing immoral failure. As is her boss and his thugs. We have to act to save this country by waking up, holding idiots like Rice, The MSM, and our luxury addicted congressmen accountable.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:21 amYeah, its just a coincidence.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:21 amThere it is…”September 11″
You can expect to hear these neocoms inserting Sept 11 into every comment they make. Fear mongering is the only thing they have left…not that they had much else to begin with.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:22 amGODAMN!
July 16th, 2006 at 11:23 amThis woman will say ANYTHING.
9-11, 9-11, 9-11. That happened BEFORE you spent all our money on not finding the mushroom cloud. How much shit do we have to wade through before they are all brough up on charges?
We need a war crimes trial for the Bush Whitehouse.
The only thing the neocons want Americans to remember about September 11 is the fear it created.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:24 amApparently, the US plan is to fight Muslim extremism with our own brand of US extremism, at the same time denying that our own extremism could possible cause the exact same response in others.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:25 amYes, if Saddam Hussein were still in power, I’m sure none of this would ever have happened, and Saddam would have sat twiddling his thumbs while Israel pounded Hezbollah. Mmmmhm. Pull my other leg.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:25 amMust remember talking point… Must remember talking point…
“Well, first of all, those hostilities were not very well contained as we found out on September 11th,”
There. Now as long as people forget that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11…and that there have been other terrorist attacks around the world since we invaded Iraq… and that Bush gave the green light to Israel to continue its attack on Lebannon… and that we have inflamed Islamist extremists around the world by our treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo and Abu Garib and by secret renditions, not to mention raping and murdering Iraqi civilians….
As long as she says the magic words, 9/11, the fox news watchers will believe her.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:28 amIf Saddam Hussein were still in power, the US might still have some credibility in the world.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:28 amWhen the basis for attacking Iraq was a lie, then the advertised outcomes will not occur. The occupation of Iraq has nothing to do with political stability in the region. It has always been about oil and greed. EVERYONE outside of the USA recognizes the weakened political and moral state of this mis-administration and doesn’t care what we want or think.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:28 amOnly a someone who is dislusional could call the idea the Iraq war contributed to Middle East instability “grotesque.”
It is clear to me that this woman’s climb to power had little to do with her competence and much to do with her loyalty and efficacy in spouting talking points.
Geez Louise and the bees knees she gives Political Science Ph.D.s everywhere a bad name. Apparently all one’s Political Science dissertation has to say is “good vs. evil. The end.”
July 16th, 2006 at 11:30 amPeace and stability will come to the Middle East when Israel completes its mission to destroy the terrorist organizations Hezbollah and Hamas, the U.S. destroys Al Qaeda, and Arab governments crack down on the Islamic militants in their countries.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:31 amDude! Go somewhere else and spectulate endlessly about what the future would be if… Your act is tired, hackneyed and frayed.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:32 amAnd what is the price of oil now? How are profits in the oil industry (which named a tanker after this woman)?
Tell me again why anyone thinks that peace, stability, and a decrease in extremism in the middle east has ever been the goal of this administration? Does she think that Muqtada al Sadr and his Mahdi Army are just a bunch of moderates? They were all hiding in plain sight under Saddam?
With all the hatred of Israel and the US now roiling in the middle east, why is it I should feel safer than when there was diplomacy, a peace process and the beginning of reconciliation? How many people is the middle east think of the US as an honest broker now, huh?
July 16th, 2006 at 11:33 amI find it grotesque that the US Secretary of State has a supertanker named after her in the Chevron fleet.
And that they actually think we’re supposed to believe that the occupation of Iraq has nothing to do with oil.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:34 amCondi Rice’s mostly good at covering her own ass, not much more.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:35 amPeace and stability will come to the Middle East when IT IS TURNED INTO A GRAVEYARD.
Get real Exley (if that’s possible). Violent means will not achieve a peaceful end. Israel has beencracking down on the Islamic militants in its country for over 60 years without achieving peace and stability within its bordedrs.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:36 amGreat capture by TP, by the way. Could her face look more grotesque? Yikes.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:36 amThe tragic follies of this Bush presidency are grotesque! How many more people will die before we can bring an end to this Adminstration? -Kevo
July 16th, 2006 at 11:37 amUS to expand training ground for CIA covert terrorists as well as Islamic jihadists and Jewish Zionist terrorists. Only the Secret State of America could bring out the worst of all possiblities throughout the world. Lord knows, they’ve been at it for over 100 years.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:40 amPeace and stability will come to the Middle East when Israel completes its mission to destroy the terrorist organizations Hezbollah and Hamas, the U.S. destroys Al Qaeda, and Arab governments crack down on the Islamic militants in their countries.
Comment by Exley — July 16, 2006 @ 11:31 am
So tell me…if Israel’s attacks on Hezbollah and Hamas create more members in Hezbollah and Hamas, how, exactly, is Israel EVER supposed to “complete it’s mission to destroy Hezbollah and Hamas”?
How much of history must repeat itself over and over and over and over and over again before people realize that attacking these organizations only fuels their recruiting efforts?
July 16th, 2006 at 11:40 amYou almost have it right, Briseadh na Faire …
“Peace and stability will come to the Middle East when IT IS TURNED INTO A GRAVEYARD FOR ISLAMIC TERRORISTS“
July 16th, 2006 at 11:41 amFor a professor of international politics , she understand nothing in geopolitics . in tribal interests , in oil politics , in the desire of fringes movements for power and wealth and above all the power of religious myths .It is not surprising she would spill such ridiculous statement . Let us make no bones about it ,the power and influence of the USA has been greatly diminished . Perhaps we are at the dawn of the fall of the American Empire .
July 16th, 2006 at 11:41 amIf Saddam were still in power 2,500 American troops and 60,000 Iraqis people would still be alive. Countless more people would not be maimed for life. Gasoline would not be $3 a gallon in teh United States. The average Iraqi would have potable drinking water, electricity and no fear of bombs or religious thugs killing them.
Yes, Saddam was an ass. But he was the lesser of two evils. Things were better under Saddam.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:44 amIf it’s not the Iraq conflict destablizing the region, I guess it must just be PNAC’s foreign policy approach as a whole.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:44 amit must just be PNAC’s foreign policy approach as a whole.
BINGO!
We have a winner!
July 16th, 2006 at 11:45 amHezbollah and Hamas were Democractically elected.
Oh, yes, its only Democracy if the neocons approve of who they elect. Typical.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:46 amWhen referring to Iraq Bush will say that the talking about the violence there is just what the “terrorists” want. Yet, Bush has made talking about the terrorist violence of 9/11 the lynchpin of his presidency. Douchemongers, one and all.
-GSD
July 16th, 2006 at 11:48 amOur wonderful “war president” and his neocon pals (who are the real decision makers - sorry Mr. Decider) have dreamed of full out war in the middle east for the past twenty years. Well, now they have it. What will be the positives for the USA? Nothing, unless you’re invested in certain government favored companies who happen to specalize in re-construction or own oil related stock. Get ready for VERY HIGH prices at the local gas pump.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:48 amMNW, With all due respect, the “attacking-terrorists-only-creates-more-terrorists” is a cliche….Unless you believe that every Arab or Muslim is a terrorist-in-waiting, the calculus is that killing terrorists and reduces their ranks…Moreover, that is also why I said Arab governments need to crack down on the fundamentalist Islamists in their own countries who are recruiting and funding terrorists. The war against terrorism has many components and many fronts.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:48 amConservatives live in the world they WISH existed, instead of the world that exists. Hence the absurd perspectives on the world.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:49 amIt was Rice herself that wasa saber-rattling leading up to the invasion of Iraq with her talk of “smoking guns in the form of a mushroom cloud”. The civil war there, the infiltration into Iraq by some foreign jihadists, the price of oil going astronomical has NOTHING to do the current regional instablity? In a pig’s eye!!!
July 16th, 2006 at 11:51 amThat is about all he could do. As he had no WMDs as has been prven for 3 years by the UNited States Military.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:53 amSpeaking of pig… as this latest conflagration was getting started, that’s all our War-Time President could think of!
July 16th, 2006 at 11:53 amMNW, With all due respect, the “attacking-terrorists-only-creates-more-terrorists†is a cliche….Unless you believe that every Arab or Muslim is a terrorist-in-waiting, the calculus is that killing terrorists and reduces their ranks-Exley
Exley, with all due respect, I think most people in the intelligence agencies in the US will readily tell you (in private, perhaps) that the war in Iraq has lead to dramatic increases in recruiting by extremist groups. Even though terrorists are being killed, there are many more being created.
One of my friends who works in Iraq said that the saying amongst the soldiers is that the terrorists/insurgents are like Doritos: crunch all you want, we’ll make more. Crude, I know, but it gives you some insight into the way folks on the ground are seeing things.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:55 amIt seems that alot of people are very impressed with the intelligence, stature, and clout of Ms. Rice as Secretary of State.
I for one am unimpressed.
She has a great grasp of world geography, history, political movements/motives and players, but like that of Colin Powell, her obedient personal duty plus loyalty and noecon brainwashing seems to undercut any practical use of this knowledge.
Book smart; not real world smart - or at least so bought into the neocon view of the world that no true learning or enlightenment can occur. The rest of the world (even the majority of the US) doesn’t want or need to be lectured by neocons on how things should be.
The prime example of how intellectually dried up her capabilities are (or have become) is the 9-11 arguement, as others here indicate. A person with her background and education should be able to reason through many possible underlying causes of “those hostilities were not very well contained” including how hostile interests are fueled/fostered in the first place.
Really, she cannot understand how mideast destabilization and further hatred of the US and our policies by attacking “threats” unrelated to 9-11 (as Iraq was and is)? Really, she cannot see that our (pre)occupation with Iraq may be contributing to our inability to deal with anything else related to 9-11, mideast peace, or unrest in other areas of the world?
I don’t believe she could possibly be this ignorant. Therefore, she is lying! Invoking 9-11 is not only demonstates ignorance and political motive, but also intellectual laziness.
Some modicum of intellectual honesty is required to gain my respect.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:56 amYes, we must continue fighting the war we have been fighting for 1100 years. We must continue the Crusades and find the lost pieces to the cross Jesus was crusified on. Yes continue until the gentiles can no longer call us infidels.
Muslim is to Jihad as Christian is to Crusade. Nothing more, nothing less. They are all sick in the head.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:57 am“Well, first of all, those hostilities were not very well contained as we found out on September 11th,…”
Just like the Asshole-in-Chief, whenever you have NO policy, NO idea what to do, and are faced with the reality of your misguided fantasy collapsing around you, Condi goes to the golden oldies list once again…. 9/11, 9/11, 9/11.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:58 amExley come on. Tell it like it is. Stop beating around the bush and be straight up. We know what you want. We know you really think it should read like this.
“Peace and stability will come to the Middle East when IT IS TURNED INTO A GRAVEYARD FOR ISLAMIC PEOPLE“
Keep on keeping on Crusader.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:01 pmYes, if Saddam Hussein were still in power, I’m sure none of this would ever have happened, and Saddam would have sat twiddling his thumbs while Israel pounded Hezbollah. Mmmmhm. Pull my other leg.
Comment by Seixon — July 16, 2006 @ 11:25 am
So, Seixon, you think perhaps Saddam would have responded with his non-existent airforce, or his non-existent weapons of mass destruction, or his crippled economy, or his army in tatters? Have you forgotten that we’ve PROVEN with our invasion that Saddam was a paper tiger who was barely keeping a lid on a massive conflagration of sectarian violence? Please describe the stiff resistance Saddam offered our ground invasion. Regale us with the overwhelming might of the Iraqi army under Saddam in 2002.
Hezbollah and al Qaida thrive on hatred, economic dispair, a sense of injustice, and a feeling of religious persecution. What, exactly, has US policy done to diminish any of these things? In particular, please describe how the “liberated” Abu Garaib fits into this strategy.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:02 pmCondi Rice is the worst Secretary of State in the United States’ history! She must resign!
July 16th, 2006 at 12:05 pmComment by Peter Christian — July 16, 2006 @ 12:02 pm
Interesting point, Peter. So does the evangelical/conservative Christians and the Bush Administration.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:06 pmExley, so by your own definition, OUR govt should crack down on YOU! You sound like nothing more than a whack-ass christian terrorist.
“Peace and stability will come to the Middle East when IT IS TURNED INTO A GRAVEYARD FOR ISLAMIC TERRORISTS“
July 16th, 2006 at 12:06 pmIf Saddam were still in power 2,500 American troops and 60,000 Iraqis people would still be alive.
True, the American troops would probably be alive, but I’m not so sure that the number of Iraqis you cite here would still be alive. Obviously not 60,000 (a number which is just a guesstimate) but Saddam wasn’t one to hold the lives of his subjects in much regard.
Countless more people would not be maimed for life.
Well, again, probably not as many as Saddam would have maimed, but looking at this in a historical perspective…
Gasoline would not be $3 a gallon in teh United States.
Bzzzt. Wrong. There are many factors for the oil price, such as strongly increasing demand in China and Asia in general. The production of oil in Iraq is about the same as it was before the war.
The average Iraqi would have potable drinking water, electricity and no fear of bombs or religious thugs killing them.
According to the Brookings Institute, there are 3 million additional people being served potable drinking water than before the war.
There is more electricity production in Iraq as a whole than there was before the war (3958MW vs. 4200MW).
Fear of bombs is mostly confined to Baghdad.
Religious thugs is a problem that has come about since the fall of Saddam Hussein, yes. Yet again, most of Iraq is quiet and safe, most of the violence happening in central Iraq.
Yes, Saddam was an ass. But he was the lesser of two evils. Things were better under Saddam.
The majority of Iraqis don’t agree with you, but you’re free to have an opinion that contrasts with theirs if you wish. I’ll stick with the Iraqis on Iraq - you can stick with yourself on Iraq.
Oh, and you’ve just been thoroughly debunked. Have a read.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:06 pmtroll alert,
A new study has come out and was published in my local right wing paper, the Orange County Register, yesterday. The new study puts the number of American deaths at three times the reported number. Why? Well, it turns out that all of us left wing whacko conspiracy theroists were right. They ship the wounded out of Iraq ASAP, so if they die, they are not counted as “killed in Iraq” Sad. Very Sad.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:06 pmYou almost have it right, Briseadh na Faire …
“Peace and stability will come to the Middle East when IT IS TURNED INTO A GRAVEYARD FOR ISLAMIC TERRORISTS“
Comment by Exley — July 16, 2006 @ 11:41 am
Wait! Isn’t the Middle East ALREADY a graveyard for islamic terrorists? Aren’t they the people we claim to have been killing over there so we wouldn’t have to fight them over here? I thought you’d contend that most of those killed by US troops were “bad guys” with hardly any innocent civilians as collateral damage.
So, why no peace and stability NOW? I don’t suppose it could be that we’re CREATING THEM faster than we’re KILLING THEM, huh?
July 16th, 2006 at 12:11 pmThere has been a mass exodus of Iraqis to Jordan, among other countries. Surely this would not be the case if things were actually better than they were under Saddam.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:11 pmSexion,
Brookings is in bed with AEI, Fux News, and other right leaning trash collectors.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article30065.html
July 16th, 2006 at 12:13 pmPeter Christian,
I used to engage Seixon here, until it became obvious that it was useless. I believe at least one of his goals is to pick fights over here, so he can whine about it to the handful of people who read his blog. His posts routinely hijack threads, and unfortunately I have facilitated this in the past. You seem like a reasonably fellow. Don’t enable him.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:14 pmThe mass killings that Saddam did were during the 80s when Reagan was supplying him with WMDs. After Desert Storm there were no more mass killings. A death or two here or there, but no mass killings, so no the 60,000 Iraqis would not have been killied by Saddam.
Next.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:16 pmDrSinker,
What do you count as a “mass exodus”?
The group of Iraqis most unhappy with things right now are the Sunni, as they see everything basically the opposite of the Kurds and Shiites, for pretty obvious reasons.
Not too fun to have been the kings of the hill only to lose all your power when the sugardaddy gets put behind bars…
July 16th, 2006 at 12:17 pmI suppose this thread might shoot to 400+ postings with the Norwegian in here > lol.
Seixon > do you get paid overtime rates to post on Sundays?
July 16th, 2006 at 12:18 pmOkay, I noticed it too, she says that “[the extremism was not very well contained, just look at 9/11]” … once again suggesting that Iraq was the cause of 9/11. Then she says that the CURRENT instability in Iraq is NOW contributing to the PRESENT ME instability is grotesque, ie, that there is NO connection between Iraq and extremism behavior in the middle east.
I would be getting dizzy here if I hadn’t swum for the shore of a larger Lakoffian frame…. [what?]
July 16th, 2006 at 12:19 pmJay Randal,
You know he does. He is now repeating the same lies he has been proven wrong about on many occasions. I think that is the point when Judd needs to start deleting his posts.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:20 pmMark, my words, we are looking at a potential bloodbath that could run into the millions. Iraq is at the root of it, only the willfully blind could suggest that destabilising Iraq and turning the country into a failed state haven for terrorists is having no effect on regional stability.
The assertion is so ludicrous, it hardly warrants a response. Indeed, what can one so to people some inured, so deeply in denial? Would could get through?
Sitting on the edge of my seat ….
July 16th, 2006 at 12:22 pmSaddam Hussien is not behind bars. He hasn’t been found guilty of anything yet. He is a world leader, so is staying at the same kind of facility that our politicians go to when they break the law. Camp Snoopy.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:23 pmPost 56 Spudge > Judd seems to tolerate the Norwegian for some unknown reason?
July 16th, 2006 at 12:23 pmSpudge,
I disagree. I think it would be better if people simply not respond. He’s baiting, not much more. I think part of him almost wants to get banned, simply to claim some kind of victory. His posts on his own blog suggest as much.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:24 pmHezbollah and al Qaida thrive on hatred, economic dispair, a sense of injustice, and a feeling of religious persecution.
Comment by Peter Christian — July 16, 2006 @ 12:02 pm
Interesting point, Peter. So does the evangelical/conservative Christians and the Bush Administration.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 16, 2006 @ 12:06 pm
That is an excellent observation. Under those conditions, people act motivated by emotion rather than reason, and do things against thier own best interests (like blow themselves up or vote Republican). This is why Limbaugh, Hannity, and the like are constantly bringing up ridiculous strawmen like the “war on Christmas”. That way the Evangelical conservative base feels persecuted.
It is also why the Republicans will kill any push to raise the minimum wage. Must have economic despair, caused (blamelessly) by the invisible hand of the market, or maybe just those heathen Chinese.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:25 pmBrian Coughlan,
Welcome to the modern day Crusades. Christains vs Muslims in a battle to the end. You know what is so funny? None of the idiotic rapture ready folks realize that there has to be PEACE in the Middle East for the rapture to happen. Also, the anti-Christ must be somebody that everybody in the world loves. Can you name any person on the face of the planet that everybody loves? I know I can’t. And I don’t think Garfield counts.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:26 pmFire them! Fire them all. How much incompetence must we tolerate? I pay for this shit with my taxes, goddammit!.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:27 pmGood, ban him, let him declare victory on his piece of shit site and then let’s move on without him.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:27 pmSpudge,
If people simply don’t respond, he’ll disappear eventually. No action by Judd required.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:29 pmDrSinker,
You’re right of course. I’ll stop engaging Seixon. It does no good and is a waste of time.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:31 pmNone of the idiotic rapture ready folks realize that there has to be PEACE in the Middle East for the rapture to happen.
No offense spudge boy, but I personally consider the entire apocalyptic rapture business unabridged tripe. Worse, it has a significant proportion of the US electorate cheerleading and championing wholescale slaughter.
If we do end up in a WWIII type slaughter, and it seems possible that this might happen, the leaders of the US will be held to account. Just like Hitler and his cronies where held to account.
Trying to “democratise the middle east”, will look pretty poor stacked up against a 100 million dead, should the worst happen. The bill will have to be paid, and America is currently holding that mortgage:-(
July 16th, 2006 at 12:32 pmMNW, With all due respect, the “attacking-terrorists-only-creates-more-terrorists†is a cliche…Unless you believe that every Arab or Muslim is a terrorist-in-waiting, the calculus is that killing terrorists and reduces their ranks…Moreover, that is also why I said Arab governments need to crack down on the fundamentalist Islamists in their own countries who are recruiting and funding terrorists.
With all due respect, you’re a quick one to believe that attacks on terrorists only kills terrorists. We’re killing Muslims. PERIOD. If you want to believe that attacks on terrorists only kills terrorists and doesn’t create more terrorists, go right ahead, but it is that short-sighted thinking that will bring about more and more war with terrorists.
When we attack terrorists we (as well as Israel) kill more than just terrorists. We kill INNOCENT civilians. We kill mothers. We kill fathers. We kill brothers. We kill sisters. We kill sons. We kill daughters. We kill entire families. But you don’t think killing innocent civilians causes their survivors to consider joining those groups and organizations that are our enemy? We kill people…not just terrorists…and we create more terrorists when we do. Accept it or not…but reality doesn’t require your acceptance of fact.
As for your impotent conclusion that one must believe that every Arab or Muslim is a “terrorist-in-waiting” and that killing terrorists reduces their ranks…you obviously haven’t considered the fact that we don’t just kill terrorists.
The war against terrorism has many components and many fronts.
The “war against terrorism” is the cliche. It’s no more a war on terrorism than the “the war on drugs” is a war on drugs…or “the war on poverty” is a war on poverty.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:33 pmIf people simply don’t respond, he’ll disappear eventually. No action by Judd required.
Agreed, lesson learned. I sank 5 or 6 hours into “discussions” with him. He is a disingenous, but articulate troll. Best to simply ignore, he’s not here to engage or grow.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:35 pmActually, I have been posting here for years and they never go away. Never. If you don’t respond, their lies and deciet sit here unanswered. SO, you go right ahead and not respond and I will. How’s that.
The trolls never go away. They are paid to post here.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:37 pmWell of course it is. I didn’t say I believe it, but belief has nothing to do with knowledge. I was raised Christian and have read the Bible form front to back cover. I am just pointing out the inconsistencies in the bullshit they spew.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:39 pmCareful Goddamit,
Read up on PNAC before you dismiss this administration as incompetent. There is much about the current state of affairs which coincides with the goals of the new american century that they described before they came to power. If we only cry, “incompetent!” they will use their campaign money to smear us as no better. In many ways, this situation is the result, not of incompetence, but of strategic neglect.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:41 pmMNW,
Let us also not forget that just because a Muslim is an insurgent, doesn’t mean they are a terrrorist. There is a difference. By responding with an umbrella answer of terrorist, you are playing into the hands of the right wingers.
When we kill an insurgent and some civilians are killed in the attack, we very well could be creating more terrorists.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:42 pmActually, I have been posting here for years and they never go away. Never. If you don’t respond, their lies and deciet sit here unanswered. SO, you go right ahead and not respond and I will. How’s that.-Spudge
If I thought such a strategy would prevent the threads from being hijacked, I’d say go for it. But it won’t. Even one person engaging this can ruin honest, serious debate here for the rest.
Why don’t we just call him out as a troll, and remind newcomers of the same. I think the lies and deceit are obvious to most people. Look at his first post in this thread. Who says that other than someone looking to troll?
July 16th, 2006 at 12:42 pmWe kill INNOCENT civilians. We kill mothers. We kill fathers. We kill brothers. We kill sisters. We kill sons. We kill daughters. We kill entire families. But you don’t think killing innocent civilians causes their survivors to consider joining those groups and organizations that are our enemy? We kill people…not just terrorists
Well said. This lesson has been learned independently by several European states. Ireland, the UK, Spain, Germany and with luck Turkey are a few examples that spring directly to mind.
Motives count. Understand why, address the underlying cause. It takes longer, but eventually bears fruit and short of total war and killing every man, woman and child on the “other” side, it is the only alternative.
Regretably, there are now many Americans that relish the idea of total war:-( As did the Germans in 1941. A mere 4 years later Germany was in ruins and 50 million people where dead, some 10 million of them Germans. Do Americans really want to roll these dice?
July 16th, 2006 at 12:43 pmI do not seek conclusion or answers from Seixon. He is hopeless. He is a lap dog for his neo con masters.
I will continue to attack his lies.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:44 pmLeaving aside your silly comment that “we are killing Muslims PERIOD,” I would ask what you would do about the problem of Islamic terrorism, MNW….It’s really astonishing…Over 60 postings here (and hundreds in other threads) and I don’t think I have ever read anyone here offer an alternative policy for dealing with the very real problem that there are groups of Islamic militants out there who have already — and want to continue — to slaughter thousands of American civilians…All I read is criticism (most of it juvenile), but never any alternates. Anyone out there have anything constructive to say?
July 16th, 2006 at 12:46 pmDrSinker,
Sorry. You do it your way, I will do it mine. As I said, I have been posting here for years. The trolls do not go away if you ignore them. They will just continue posting lies over and over and over. I will not let their lies stand. You can ignore them all day long. It is possible for you oto ignore my posts that respond to troll posts, just as easy as it is for me to ignore posts about stuff I don’t believe in or care about.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:47 pmI will continue to attack his lies.-Spudge
Spudge, I can appreciate the fact that part of you also enjoys battling with Seixon. But, seriously, put it to rest. Some lies are so clearly a joke they don’t merit an attack. It’s called baiting, and he’s good at it.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:47 pmAll I read is criticism (most of it juvenile), but never any alternates. Anyone out there have anything constructive to say?
Are you being a troll, or looking for a genuine answer? There are many that spring to mind.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:48 pmThe Norwegian must be sulking since his posts have ceased at the moment?! Well at least the America troll has not come back to post any more on TP > knock on wood for that to continue!
July 16th, 2006 at 12:49 pmSpudge,
I also think the fact that most here, today, have decided not to respond to him has had an effect. His presence on this thread is clearly diminished.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:49 pmDenverDem,
Wow, now I’ve heard that too. Shoot the messenger by lying. Good job.
DrSinker et al,
You guys are cowards, plain and simple. I am discussing the topic here, but none of you want to be bothered with pesky facts and actually backing up your comments. I think it’s quite illuminating that very many people believe I am actually paid to post comments here. In any sane world, that would seem ridiculous, not to mention because of the complete inefficiency of such an operation and its seemingly nonexistent results.
Just as with most partisan hack sites, you would rather have me banned than having to deal with inconvenient facts that ruin the agenda.
Like Spudge claiming Reagan sold Iraq WMDs: LOL. The CDC sent Iraqi universities bacteria samples, and we sold them… chlorine! What else? See, you guys peddle complete lies all the time and do not want me to call you on them.
It’s funny that none of you have even challenged anything I have said in this thread, instead trying to ridiculously undermine my sources by pretending they are right-wingers when that is completely laughable.
No one has challenged my notion that Saddam Hussein in Iraq would have made this situation worse, not better. None of you have challenged that. You’re stuck in spin-mode.
Jay Randal keeps lying about me and is too chickenshit to email me, citing some weird paranoid fantasies in order to rationalize not doing it, even though I have a legitimate matter of discussion to have with him. Seems he has things to hide.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:49 pmI think we all agree that it is Rice who is grotesque.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:50 pmShe and the entire incompetent Bush cabal who live in a parallel universe.
Let us also not forget that just because a Muslim is an insurgent, doesn’t mean they are a terrrorist. There is a difference. By responding with an umbrella answer of terrorist, you are playing into the hands of the right wingers.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 16, 2006 @ 12:42 pm
A Sunni Muslim walks into a crowded, predominantly Shiite marketplace and blows hmself up, killing 20 innocent civilians.
A Shia Muslim walks into a crowded, predominantly Sunni marketplace and blows himself up, killing 20 innocent civilians.
Both are terrorists….but which one is the “insurgent”?
July 16th, 2006 at 12:51 pmRice is a pathological liar for the fake war on terror : she (and her cohorts in state sponsored false flag terrorism) like to bring up 9/11 so the dumb as shit Americans can get all misty-eyed over Dubya when his approval rating was high. The only thing that is high in the country (other than the deficit) is the level of denial about this administration. Well, I guess the only consolation is that this denial belongs to 34% or so of this country - and these are the very rich, religious right.
The Repugs are desperate. They are the terrosists.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:51 pmActually, Brian, the IRA was pretty much destroyed as an effective terrorist organization by the British through an effective system of intelligence, assassination of terrorist leaders, and para-military operations….So, I am not quite sure what your point is…
July 16th, 2006 at 12:51 pmWhat is the sound of one Norwegian talking to himself?
July 16th, 2006 at 12:52 pmHow can any one in the world believe what a woman with dead eyes has to say. Add to that her constant lieing for her evil bosses and we have spewing of more evil. Killing for peace, invasion for dominance, all like screwing for virginity……This bunch in the bull shit bush administration should all be jailed and brought up on charges of war crimes and treason against america and the world….All this mess in the middle east is just what they wanted, they back it and promote it…..They intend to create their armagedon and the world is drug along into their evil plans……Israels agression is just the latest. Rove and the evil mindset of this administration is if plan A isn’t working and it isn’t,(Iraq), create and back another war….Plan B. They want to take Iran and have wanted to for some time, use rice and the bush regime to try and sway the world to back Israel and kill more innocents in Lebanon and Palestine…..Last count Israel losses 12…….Lebanon innocents, men women and children 82……Give me a break, trolls and roaches, wake the f*** up. People are dieing all over the world because of the hatred and greed of our government…….We have become the enemy. Rather it is through apathy or brain washing we still are the problem and untill we get the evil out of our own gov. nothing is going to get better……Blessings, the world needs them.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:52 pmDrSinker,
#86
Look at post #87
He doesn’t go away. He was probably eating something and just got back.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:54 pmHey Condi, weren’t you the National Security Advisor on 9/11/01? Were you asleep at the wheel? I could have sworn I heard that you said that Saddam Hussein was sucessfully ‘contained’ by the continuing sanctions on him, paired with the daily enforcement of the ‘No Fly Zone’ policy, and the regular bombing, just to be certain that he was clear on the detailsof his part of the bargain. And Condi’s VERY OWN CHART showed that she already knew that there was no connection between Al Queda, and Iraq, Because it was not mentioned at all on her chart. So Condi, are you trying to tell us that you BLEW IT? According to YOU, the Aug. 6th,, 2001 ‘PDB’ about terrorists intentions to attack us, “bin Laden, determined tu attack…” was a ‘historical’ document, at least, that’s what you said, under oath. Care to address that little ‘boo-boo of yours? “Grotesque”, yeah you would know ALL about THAT, wouldn’t you? You just screwed up every single opportunity to prevent 9/11/2001, and typically, instead of being willing to face reality, and discussing the matter, in a professional, dignified fashion, you just start insulting people instead. Way to go, Condi. It’s all about you, isn’t it? Been shoe shopping lately?
July 16th, 2006 at 12:55 pm#82, Brian, This “troll” thing is just so tired. Some people come here because they are interested in hearing what the “other side” is thinking (Much of it, I must confress, is downright nutty!) and for some legitimate debate…So, yes, I would be very interested in some serious, level-headed alternate suggestions for dealing with the problem of Islamic terrorism…
July 16th, 2006 at 12:55 pmBoth of those are terrorists. They are intentionally blowing up markets.
Insurgents attack the police and military. Learn to tell the difference. DOn’t fall into their trap.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:55 pmLOL Seixon I have nothing to hide, but why should I email you to get more abuse? You are so paranoid about TP posters, but Bush you think is great and that creepo is the one most likely watching you! Must be to make sure you are worth the expense to get paid to post on here?!
July 16th, 2006 at 12:56 pmook at post #87
He doesn’t go away. He was probably eating something and just got back. -Spudge
I’ve seen it. What in his post has any substance though? Nothing at all. He’s been reduced to personal attacks - calling us all cowards - the standard Republican trick. Let’s declare a victory and move on I say.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:56 pmDrSinker,
I’m sad to say that I held you in higher regard than most here. It seems I was wrong.
Spudge_Boy,
Why yes, I was eating something. Us Rovian trolls have to take breaks now and then from infiltrating left-wing breeding grounds with our right-wing anti-Christ agenda. Rove doesn’t pay me $15,000 per hour for nothing. Debating electricity and potable water with Think Progress commenters is well worth the money.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:57 pmLeaving aside your silly comment that “we are killing Muslims PERIOD,â€
We kill people. Period. Is that better?
I would ask what you would do about the problem of Islamic terrorism, MNW
Islamic terrorism is not the problem. It’s a symptom of the problem. How’s that for a start?
….It’s really astonishing…Over 60 postings here (and hundreds in other threads) and I don’t think I have ever read anyone here offer an alternative policy for dealing with the very real problem that there are groups of Islamic militants out there who have already — and want to continue — to slaughter thousands of American civilians…
There are thousands and thousands of people killed in car crashes every year. What should we do about the problem of people driving cars?
There’s no difference in your silly notion that “the problem” is Islamic militants.
All I read is criticism (most of it juvenile), but never any alternates. Anyone out there have anything constructive to say?
Juveniles ignore reality and choose instead to believe their fantasies. The “faith-based” community is much more juvenile than the reality-based one. But I’m sure you won’t recognize that fact…as you’re too wrapped up in your fantasies.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:00 pmJay,
Again, you play the victim when I have no reason to “abuse” you about anything. I have legitimate questions to ask you, but you keep stone-walling. You always project the actions of Think Progress commenters onto the Bush administration because you can’t fess up. If you’re not hiding anything, why not drop me a line so we can have a chat about the events that took place a couple weeks ago?
DrSinker,
Personal attacks? Yes, when none of you debate on the merits and instead insinuate I’m a paid troll and tell everyone to ignore me, then I will call you what you are: cowards. There was no reason why you should treat my comments the way you are other than being afraid of responding because what you said was invalid.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:00 pmI didn’t say there was substance. You said he went away. He posted the very next post. He did not go away because people were ignoring him. He is a paid professional. He will always come back. Always. ANd until he is banned by Judd, I will continue to attack his lies.
Like the fact that he doesn’t think Reagan sold Saddam VX nerve gas to use against the Iraninas.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:00 pm#101…So, despite your rather lengthy posting, you have no concrete proposals for dealing with the problem of Islamic terrorism….Gotcha. Next? (I’ll wait for Brian to offer a more substantive reply).
July 16th, 2006 at 1:02 pmActually, Brian, the IRA was pretty much destroyed as an effective terrorist organization by the British through an effective system of intelligence, assassination of terrorist leaders, and para-military operations….So, I am not quite sure what your point is…
No argument there. They pushed the boat out it’s true, but you will also note that they did not :
a) Bomb Dublin airport.
b) blockade Dublin port.
c) Invade the South killing hundreds or thousands of civilians.
Kill hundreds of Irish civilians every time the IRA killed British soldiers, or blew up bits of London, or Manchester, or the financial centre of Britian. God knows there was provocation enough by the ludicrous standard applied by the Isrealies and the US.
If the British had responded as the US has done, both countries would be wrecked, and I say that as an Irishman aware of occasional British lapses.
All of the above are the hallmarks of succesful efforts to eradicate terrorism.
Exley let me refer you to posts #68 and #76. Collectivley they address why
a) Blowing stuff up is a bad response to terrorism.
b) How terrorism should be tackled.
I would tack on the observation that binding international law prohibiting war, period would be a good idea. As well as noting that terrorisim should always be dealt with as a police matter. That means the “police” be they UN troops, american troops whatever is agreed, put there lives on the line to protect all innocent parties.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:02 pmSpudge,
He is a paid professional.
Who’s paying me? How much? How do you know this? Oh wait, you’re just full of shit, as always. Your’re a smear artist.
Like the fact that he doesn’t think Reagan sold Saddam VX nerve gas to use against the Iraninas.
Point to a single piece of evidence showing this to be the case then, dear sir. I have seen none.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:04 pmLOL Seixon > to clarify: Karl Rove pays you the Norwegian minimum wage whatever that is > lol.
I have NO idea what you want to know about that occured a couple of weeks ago on TP? Are you referring to some of your posts being deleted by Judd? Just so you know he deletes some posts for everyone on here > if he thinks a post is off-subject or too vile for the thread! Get over it or post elsewhere?!
July 16th, 2006 at 1:07 pmAt least I am an artist. That implies I am really good at it. Thanks.
Now the horse has deon been beat dead. I don’t need to go over 20 years of history for you.
Or post this image again do I?
Friends to the end.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:07 pmShe does it for the shoes. She’s got to have the shoes.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:08 pmYeah, Condi, you’re half right: it’s grotesque, but it ain’t a notion, it’s fact. How do you think we’d like a foreign power coming in to our towns and killing people (including a few of our family members, friends and neighbors) in the name of what that foreign power thought was best for us? (Hey, and nice link to Iraq and 9/11!) Oh, and just who is confronting whose extremism? There are many ways to deal with extemism other than just trying to outdo them at their own game, you simpleton neocon nitwit (triple redundancy intended).
July 16th, 2006 at 1:09 pmSeixon:
GIVE ‘EM ‘ELL.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:09 pmBrian,
I would tack on the observation that binding international law prohibiting war, period would be a good idea.
And you’d expect the Hitlers and Stalins of the world to follow this? You’re basically giving the dictators of the world their wet dream.
As well as noting that terrorisim should always be dealt with as a police matter.
Again, doing nothing to actually stop terrorism, its causes, etc, but just waiting around for terrorists to kill people and then try to find those responsible afterwards? Oh wait, they usually kill themselves. Damn.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:10 pmSilence IS an answer.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 16, 2006 @ 12:44 pm
Do as you will. I do understand.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:10 pmyou have no concrete proposals for dealing with the problem of Islamic terrorism
There’s no point in discussing something that isn’t “the problem”.
Would you like to discuss the “problem” of people driving cars? Neither do I.
Until you, and the rest of your ilk, get over your FEAR of Islamic terrorists, we will never come up with the solutions to resolve the REAL problems in the Middle East…the problems that create Islamic terrorists in the first place. So go right ahead, keep on believing what Bush, et al, want you to believe…that Islamic terrorists are “the problem”…and your fear will contonue to rule over you.
What are the similiarities between the forces that create Islamic terrorists and the forces that create Irish-Catholic terrorists? Besides a delusional belief in religious tenets.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:12 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — July 16, 2006 @ 1:10 pm
Whats with the Gaelic? Just curious:-)
July 16th, 2006 at 1:12 pm#94 cyra brown
July 16th, 2006 at 1:13 pmI think Rise is hoping that people won’t remember what she said 4 and 5 years ago.
Thanks for bringing it up here today.
Note how she managed to bring “9/11″ into her defense today also - that will be the mantra in the fall campaign - remember 9/11, be afraid, trust only us.
Omigod! Not only is this the worst most failed administration that we are paying for with our taxes - the lives, treasure, esteem, and credibility lost through their arrogant ineptitude and neglect, hubris and ignorance is inestimable.
Jay,
Karl Rove pays you the Norwegian minimum wage whatever that is > lol.
Keep on lying, it’s all you have.
I have NO idea what you want to know about that occured a couple of weeks ago on TP? Are you referring to some of your posts being deleted by Judd?
Oh Jay, now you’re just lying some more. You know very well what I want to talk about. I want to talk about the sudden outburst of people divulging personal details about me, and your obsession with those personal details before this happened.
Spudge,
At least I am an artist. That implies I am really good at it. Thanks.
So all artists are good?
Or post this image again do I?
Aha, so Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein proves that Reagan sold Iraq VX gas. I wonder what this image proves then. Got any ideas?
July 16th, 2006 at 1:14 pmWhat are the stains on that suit? Eh, George?
July 16th, 2006 at 1:14 pmOver 60 postings here (and hundreds in other threads) and I don’t think I have ever read anyone here offer an alternative policy for dealing with the very real problem that there are groups of Islamic militants out there who have already — and want to continue — to slaughter thousands of American civilians
Heres some radical ideas
How about stopping our foreign policy of, do what we want, when we want, and how we want. How about not overthrowing Democratically elected Governments, overtly and covertly. How about getting our troops off their “holy land”. How about not trying to dictate to other Governments, what we would never accept from those same Governments. How about working with Governments to stop terrorists, instead of pissing them off.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:16 pmSexion,
Shoot the messenger? Who’s lying here? Brookings is nothing more than the mouth of the right, with well known associations of other groups such as AEI, Fux News, and as the first paragraph states most people working at brookings are EX-Govt employees. I shot your message, but go ahead make some claim I attacked the messenger. and if “Brookings” was the messenger, well they’re nothing more than necons spreading their thoughts. If the Brookings institue had any crediblity as an independent think tank, half of their members should not be ex NSA and White House employees. Just more probaganda.. Well keep believing it fool.
You’re so predictable, you’re not even funny.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:18 pmAkaDad,
How about not allowing our president to say stupid shit like “Bring it on!”
July 16th, 2006 at 1:19 pmComment by Exley — July 16, 2006 @ 12:46 pm
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 07/ 15/ is-the-us-winning-in-iraq/ #comments
Comment #21, last paragraph. You must have missed it.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:20 pmIf a match were held to the gas spewing forth from Condyloma’s mouth one would find that it would explode since it and a fart are composed of the same substance. Thus the moniker, Dragon Mouth Rice. Satan’s Daughter giving Adolf Bush a flogging dressed in black dominatrix leather drag, thong and stilletto heals is such a fitting picture.
This Oreo is a complete disgrace to the black community and should be burnt in effigy by the NAACP just to make a point.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:20 pmInteresting to see how this thread has devolved. I bet nobody here could have predicted that, nor the cause. Wait a minute….
July 16th, 2006 at 1:22 pmSeixon > you have made enemies on here, by attacking people, so they researched on Google to find about who you are! Your name is mentioned in several right-wing blog attacks, such as ones calling the Brit Gallaway a liar, so that means you are paid to smear people! Tell us about your hit pieces in the American Spectator magazine, which is funded by Richerd Mellon Scaife the right wing turd, who helped Ken Starr to uncover the Monica affair with Bill? For somebody at the young age of 24/25 you do have strange associations! Nobody has an obsession with you!
July 16th, 2006 at 1:24 pmAnd Seixon whomever called your parents, as you claim, dislikes you more than I do! I have NO idea who called your parents, but you did say his name is “John Dean” > nobody I know, so go talk to that guy please, and stop bothering us on TP!
July 16th, 2006 at 1:29 pmIf Seixon isn’t a paid troll, then he is a whacko (Jack Abramoff’s words, not mine) Crusader. Either way crazy as batshit.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:31 pmAkaDad,
None of that has anything to do with why al Qaeda is doing what they are doing. They want a Muslim caliphate, a Muslim supernation, a vehicle to subvert Christianity and all other religions, convert everyone to Islam, and kill the rest. That’s what these people want to do, although fairly far-fetched given our efforts to ruin all their dreams, that’s what they want to do. If Osama bin Laden were given nukes, that’s what he would do with them.
DenverDem,
OK, look. You had a chance, now you’re done.
Shoot the messenger? Who’s lying here?
Well, either you are gullible or lying, just watch.
Brookings is nothing more than the mouth of the right, with well known associations of other groups such as AEI, Fux News, and as the first paragraph states most people working at brookings are EX-Govt employees.
So that’s why the president of Brookings Institute is a former Clinton administration official, a very good friend of Bill Clinton? Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State from 1993-2000 is a “mouth of the right”?
You are you trying to fool? Yourself?
I shot your message, but go ahead make some claim I attacked the messenger.
You shot the messenger, Brookings Institute. You didn’t go after the statistics I brought up at all, you went after Brookings. In order to do so, you used an obviously partisan source and then either lied or misread what that source says. Then you ignored the fact that it is filled with Clinton people, just like Think Progress and Center for American Progress.
and if “Brookings†was the messenger, well they’re nothing more than necons spreading their thoughts.
Ah yes, so the husband of Diane Feinstein is a neo-con?
JFK and LBJ’s Secretary of Defense is a neo-con?
Can you even find a single person on the Brookings Board of trustees that is a neo-con? You’re making yourself look like a fool.
If the Brookings institue had any crediblity as an independent think tank, half of their members should not be ex NSA and White House employees. Just more probaganda.. Well keep believing it fool.
Which NSA and which White House? Democrats and the Clinton administration. Yeah, that’s neo-con right-wing mouth pieces for sure.
Your source, the Voltaire Network, says on their web page that al Zarqawi is a product of US propaganda. Now even after he has been killed and al Qaeda has decried his killing!
LOL
July 16th, 2006 at 1:34 pmSpeaking of regional instability, here’s a little background history on the U.S. contribution to peace in the middle east:
http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=3441
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm
http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/graverlj.html
http://houseoflabor.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/11/19/82552/557
http://www.sundayherald.com/print27572
http://www.meta-religion.com/ Secret_societies/ Conspiracies/ Middle_East/ middle_eastern_chessboard-i.htm
July 16th, 2006 at 1:35 pmWell DrSinker the thread is up to over 130 posts, so this one will probably go to 500 before being retired > lol.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:40 pmDrSinker,
Interesting to see how this thread has devolved. I bet nobody here could have predicted that, nor the cause. Wait a minute….
You have only yourself to blame. When you guys can’t debate like adults and instead focus on calling me a troll and alleging lies about me, then there’s no wonder the debate starts revolving around that. If you had just responded to my comments like an adult and had a real debate, we’d be talking about Iraq and the importance of Saddam’s demise seen in the light of the current situation. Instead you and the others chose to smear me and make that the subject.
Randal,
Seixon > you have made enemies on here, by attacking people, so they researched on Google to find about who you are!
Projection, again. You guys attacked me for the sin of having a different opinion.
Your name is mentioned in several right-wing blog attacks, such as ones calling the Brit Gallaway a liar, so that means you are paid to smear people!
That’s because Galloway is a liar, and it doesn’t take anyone to get paid to point out that simple fact. You’re delusional Randal if you think that every single exposure of liars on the left are done by people who are paid. Some of us really care about the truth and will expose it without being paid to do so.
Tell us about your hit pieces in the American Spectator magazine, which is funded by Richerd Mellon Scaife the right wing turd, who helped Ken Starr to uncover the Monica affair with Bill?
Hit-piece? You mean when I proved that Galloway is a lying liar? That’s not a hit-piece, as I was simply exposing Galloway’s lies to the Senate. A journalist from the Spectator contacted me about it and wanted to do a story on it. Now, if progressive and liberal sites weren’t busy kissing Galloway’s feet for having the balls to talk shit to the Senate while evading, lying, and slandering, maybe they too would have asked me about it as well.
For somebody at the young age of 24/25 you do have strange associations! Nobody has an obsession with you!
Strong associations? I write things, and people contact me about them. If the NY Times wanted to write about something I wrote, fine, I don’t care who it is.
And Seixon whomever called your parents, as you claim, dislikes you more than I do!
Yes, although you were talking about my parents first on here.
I have NO idea who called your parents, but you did say his name is “John Dean†> nobody I know, so go talk to that guy please, and stop bothering us on TP!
Again, we could be having this discussion per email instead of cluttering Think Progress. I think everyone else here would agree that you should email me so we can discuss this matter privately instead of clogging up the forum here.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:41 pm#131
None of that has anything to do with why al Qaeda is doing what they are doing.
I guess then, that they are lying, when they repeatedly say, our foreign policy of interfering in the Middle East, is why they hate us.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:43 pmSpudge,
If Seixon isn’t a paid troll, then he is a whacko (Jack Abramoff’s words, not mine) Crusader. Either way crazy as batshit.
So, let me know when you feel like responding to #120.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:43 pmAkaDad,
I guess then, that they are lying, when they repeatedly say, our foreign policy of interfering in the Middle East, is why they hate us.
Oh man. Yes, because Osama bin Laden is an honest little guy, isn’t he? Jesus Friggin Christ. Is the word propaganda completely lost on you? See, you believe every word Osama bin Laden says, but you don’t believe anything Bush says. You just proved it. Good grief.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:45 pmMs. Rice is a professional liar, right? what surprises you about her statements? Maybe we could just submit them for analysis, get 5 or 10 opinions as to what she is saying and to whom, and we can have some fun training our children in how our government lies to us and everyone else.
maybe our children will get tired of the lies and BS that we have handed them. Oh shit, forgot. You would have to change a whole lot of institutional lying for this to take. Since all the institutions are lying constantly, we have a problem.
July 16th, 2006 at 1:45 pmLOL Seixon you mentioned the personal stuff on here first, so it gets aired on TP for everybody! I have never said anything about your parents > I do not care anything about them! Thanks for confirming that you have helped with American Spectator hit pieces! And claiming you do that for FREE does NOT pass the smell test!
July 16th, 2006 at 1:47 pmThe middle east has been in turmoil since Biblical times. However, the introduction of the “nuclear era” has brought all things relative to the middle east to a head. I really believe, this is the last chance for not only the middle east, but for Asia and eastern Europe to bring common sense to a region set on the destruction of ALL whom disagree with them. It’s even more dangerous when regimes in the middle east use religion for their insane motives.
The United States sees this. I can’t understand why countries that border the middle east, Russia and China to name two, continue to play games with the issues now at hand. I can understand why the “left” in the U.S. are blinded by the dangers that exsists, its easy living on the other side of the planet…
July 16th, 2006 at 1:53 pmJust so you know Seixon, I knew David Brook who was a right wing attack dog for Scaife, untill he saw the light and apologized to President Clinton > did you take his place?
July 16th, 2006 at 1:53 pmIn the blizzard of Seixon spam, you may have missed this Exley. I didn’t see a response?
Actually, Brian, the IRA was pretty much destroyed as an effective terrorist organization by the British through an effective system of intelligence, assassination of terrorist leaders, and para-military operations….So, I am not quite sure what your point is…
No argument there. They pushed the boat out it’s true, but you will also note that they did not :
a) Bomb Dublin airport.
b) blockade Dublin port.
c) Invade the South killing hundreds or thousands of civilians.
Kill hundreds of Irish civilians every time the IRA killed British soldiers, or blew up bits of London, or Manchester, or the financial centre of Britian. God