Neocons Resurrect Plans For Regional War In The Middle East
Neocons Resurrect Plans For Regional War In The Middle East
In 1996, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser (all later senior officials in the Bush administration) had a plan for how to destroy Hezbollah: Invade Iraq. They wrote a report to the newly elected Likud government in Israel calling for “a clean break” with the policies of negotiating with the Palestinians and trading land for peace.
The problem could be solved “if Israel seized the strategic initiative along it northern borders by engaging Hizballah (sic), Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon.†The key, they said, was to “focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.†They called for “reestablishing the principle of preemption.†They promised that the successes of these wars could be used to launch campaigns against Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt, reshaping “the strategic balance in the Middle East profoundly.â€
Now, with the U.S. bogged down in Iraq, with Bush losing control of world events, and with the threats to national security growing worse, no one could possibly still believe this plan, could they? Think again.
William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, is still pushing this radical vision. He now uses the excuse of Hezbollah terrorist attacks — what he calls “Iran’s Proxy War” — to push the United States deeper into a regional war against Iran and Syria:
We might consider countering this act of Iranian aggression with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait? Does anyone think a nuclear Iran can be contained? That the current regime will negotiate in good faith? It would be easier to act sooner rather than later. Yes, there would be repercussions — and they would be healthy ones, showing a strong America that has rejected further appeasement.
Perle has already weighed in in a June 25 Washington Post editorial decrying Bush’s “ignominious retreat” on Iran. He, too, wants war. Newt Gingrich on Meet the Press this Sunday said we were already in World War III and that the US needed to take direct action against North Korea and Iran. Less well known pundits have flooded cable news and talk radio this weekend beating the war drums. Meanwhile, David Wurmser is ensconced in Vice-President Cheney’s office, and his neoconservative colleague Elliot Abrams (the convicted Iran-Contra felon who urged war with Iraq in a 1998 letter to President Bill Clinton) directs Middle East policy on the National Security Council staff.
The neoconservatives are now hoping to use the Israeli-Lebanon conflict as the trigger to launch a U.S. war against Syria, Iran or both. These profoundly dangerous policies have to be exposed and stopped before they do even more harm to U.S. national security then they already have.
(For more, see “Origins of Regime Change in Iraq“)
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Yes the Neocons want war on Syria, and Iran, so that is why Israel attacked Lebanon to stir up a bigger regional war, which could become a global WWIII! The Bush Regime has already prepared to attack Iran, so it looks like it might happen soon!
July 17th, 2006 at 12:20 pmThe neocons need to be put down like a rabid dog. They’re insane and dangerous. They’re sick and incurable. Put them down.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:22 pmWell Saudi Arabia and Egypt will not be happy to find out from this TP thread that the Neocons plan on attacking them too! Wow Bush has explaining to do or those 2 nations are going to be pissed off?!
July 17th, 2006 at 12:24 pmAs soon as this thing escalated and the media tied Hezzbola to Iran you knew this was PNAC heaven.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:24 pmPNAC:
July 17th, 2006 at 12:24 pmPresident’s Neocon Asshole Coalition.
With our troops bogged down in Iraq trying to fulfill neocon initiatives, how do they see us having any impact on any action OR negotiations in the Middle East? Putin bitchslapped the Bush/neocon Iraqi Democracy experiment right down. It’s sad that a Russion has to explain democracy to the US President.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:26 pmThese guys have been right on so many issues, the neo-nut cases surely will try again. What a bunch of dumbasses the GOP ended up with.
Make military service a requirement for the GOP and war will never happen…they are crooks, liars, and cowards who love profiteering of the military industrial complex and oil companies….
If you have had enough of their stupidity, vote Democrat and let’s impeach the chimp.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:29 pmIt’s been obvious for the past week that they are blaming Iran and Syria the same way they blamed Iraq for 9/11. The question now is if Bush will bother to ask Congress first or if he will just do it.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:34 pmI believe Israel acts for the USA. Cleary.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:34 pmfolks this is being played by the textbook. it’s the mere fact that stupid ass americans sat around on there f. sofas eating bon bons thinking that god was going to save us all from all. and that our gov. bushyboy was gods interperter. i called world war III as soon as we invaded iraq. only the out right stupid wouldn’t have seen the middle east blow up like a package of black cats during 4 july.
i would like to know WHY noone is talking about israels part in all this. occupying their land, and holding palentinian and lebonsese soldiers BEFORE lebonan snatched 2 israeli soldiers. i know it is part of the msm, nazi/zionist plan but what happened to the educated american? so it’s ok for israel to be tyrrants and do whatever but the muslim community better not act in self defense. i’m not advocating violence or anything but i’d blow the piss out of the rothchilds and then head to the gov. offices. and then ask em if they want to come out and play.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:34 pm#
PNAC:
President’s Neocon Asshole Coalition.
Comment by Zimzone — July 17, 2006 @ 12:24 pm
It’s high time Americans learnd about PNAC and all the big name members.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:36 pmIt’s time to start that discussion so we can have that debate.
#9
i believe we act on behalf of israel. this is israel mess. we follow israel on foreign middle east policies. whatever they say we say ‘yes dear’ and dinner will be done at 700 sharp.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:38 pmI believe you have that backwards, Destroy…
July 17th, 2006 at 12:38 pmThis makes a nice prelude into the peaceful, democratic 2006 mid-term elections, don’t you think? How do you hold free and fair elections during World War III?
Suggestion: the 70% or so of the American populace that does NOT agree with this Administration should all vote ABSENTEE. That way, 1. poor people will not have to stand in line for hours to vote; 2. it takes the Deibold electronic machines out of the process; and 3. all ballots will be paper and verifiable.
It would be worth the extra time it would take to count them all. And, granted, I am assuming that there will be a 2006 election this November.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:40 pm#14
yeeeessss, and i have been saying the same thing. and i will.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:43 pmwhat has happened to all the reichwingers? they were here like roaches and they are gradually fading out. someone must have found the raid.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:45 pmFor months posters have been speculating that Bush would get us into another war and would declare martial law and suspend all elections until the war ended. I thought this was a little far fetched even for Bushco. Now I am beginning to see where these posters are coming from.
What better way to reinstate the draft? What better way to assure the republicans maintain control of the federal government?
This is worse than any scenario I could have thought possible.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:47 pmPost 14 Faire > if Bush goes ahead with the Neocon plans, then most likely the United States will be under Martial Law come this November, so probably no elections or if it did occur they would probably be rigged! Hard to vote if soldiers are kicking people in the streets!
Notice that PM Olmert in Israel declared Martial Law in Haifa and some other cities already!
July 17th, 2006 at 12:48 pmLets invade every Arab country and kill every all the Muslims
That way
1. We won’t have to pay for OIL
2. Israel can live in Peace.
3. Every body will fear us.
4. North Korea will be horified, which will lead to it disarmament.
Plus, if we fight them there, we won’t have to fight them here
And the President’s tax cut will pay for the wars.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:49 pmThere needs to be a permanent link to the laughter that took place after Putin was trashed Bush.
The
laughter
is
astounding.
Randi Rhodes will do it I bet…
July 17th, 2006 at 12:50 pmPNAC… perhaps the most pollyannish set of foreign policy ideas ever put forth.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:50 pm#19
that has to be sarcasm. am i right?
July 17th, 2006 at 12:51 pmWere all talk here,will we wait for november and cast our votes to solve this problem? I have no doubt that that will be seriously too late !!! We need to act and fast ,Hitler is the new savior of the jews and human lives are worth nothing !!!Maybe we can have a civil chat with exley or the chase about the finer points of the laws regarding torture and ethnic genocide or maybe this has gone far enough and warrants more direct action NOW !!!!!!!!! HELP !!!!!!!!!
July 17th, 2006 at 12:52 pm#
I believe Israel acts for the USA. Cleary.
Comment by Destroy the DLC — July 17, 2006 @ 12:34 pm
Israel ‘ACTS’ for the USA allright;
According to former chief of Israeli military intelligence Yehoshafat Harkabi, the 1982 invasion of Lebanon was accompanied by deceit at the highest political levels. Harkarbi cites misleading statements to the cabinet by Ariel Sharon and Begin, inaccurate announcements by Israel’s military spokesmen and the Likud government’s gross exaggeration of terrorist acts conducted from Lebanon.
Likuds are Liars, Neo-Cons are Likuds, Likuds and Cons are Hegelian Liars, How many times are you fools gonna let this little piss ant country, called Israel, get us involved in the same ignorant racial and religious crap again and again?
July 17th, 2006 at 12:53 pmHow did the American people get duped by this administration. Were folks so desperate to have conservative social thought in the White House that we were willing to toss out the ability to think for ourselves? STOP drinking the KoolAid! Lets wiggle our way out of Iraq, Slap Hamas and Hezzbollah like htey should be and get our own oil guzzling house in order! I LUV AMERICA! Lets get about the business of taking government back and saving our country. Imagine rich Republicans laughing at the blue-collar folks that vote for them. Heh heh heh…
July 17th, 2006 at 12:54 pmthe average american folk for one does NOT know about the reichwing agenda. i’m sure the majority thought that pnac, nwo, heritage found. are/were a good thing. so first folks need to be educated on what is REALLY goin on before they can speak.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:55 pmI have noticed many young people who vigorously support Israel seem to lack a sense of the sordid history pre-Israel and the Zionists. There was a caller on Air America who accurately described friendships that exist in Israel twixt Jews and Muslims and the fear that exists along with these types of friendships.
They use this type of Jew/Muslim dynamic to promote Israel. But I generally feel that as long as there are proud Muslims there will never be real peace in Palestine. From that vantage point I sincerely support having Israel wage war so we can test their theories and put them to bed. 100 more years of death. Maybe then we can debate the practicality of having a Zionist theocracy smack in the middle of Islam.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:56 pmBinding, agreed, global law. It’s the only way people. Get your bods to recognize the ICC, it’s a start.
War has got to be made to cost those who constantly advocate it as a solution. The don’t seem to care about the carnage, and they are at no personal risk themselves. Time to change the equation. The International Criminal Court is the way to go.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:57 pmThe usual Bush defender trolls are not on this thread yet, so they are in consultation with Karl Rove of what to say on here > lol. My guess is that they will call us Muslim lovers or anti-Jewish > some dumb crap like that probably!
July 17th, 2006 at 12:57 pmand what makes this even worse this has been in works for at least 30 yrs. tells ya how STUPID the american folk really is.
July 17th, 2006 at 12:59 pmThis has all been planned for years as Syria and Iran are now sandwiched between the US and Israel. They aren’t going to stop now. Expanded territory and resources for Israel, Oilfields and base for The US and continued royal family rule In Saudi Arabia.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:01 pm#25: Very short answer…YES
July 17th, 2006 at 1:01 pmmighty will be here soon. Foreign policy related threads.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:01 pm“You see,” said the President. “The ironic thing is what they need to do is to get Syria, to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit, and it’s over.”
Though it is unclear exactly who they were speaking about, the two had a curious exchange about another diplomat. “He thinks if Lebanon turns out fine, if we get a solution in Israel and Palestine, Iraq goes the right way–” began Blair.
“Yeah, yeah,” observed Bush. “He is sweet.”
“He is honey,” was Blair’s reply.
After moving conversation through the situation involving Syria, Israel and Lebanon, Bush stated, “We are not blaming the Lebanese government.”
July 17th, 2006 at 1:02 pm———————-
I wonder who this “sweet” ” honey” is
I was being sarcastic. Unfortunately, the NeoCons seriously want to do it.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:02 pmPost 33 if they get desperate the GOP will send in Seixon the Norwegian onto this TP thread > lol.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:03 pmComment by jules — July 17, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
Be grateful you have not gone on a vision quest. I have already seen the entire eastern seaboard of the U.S. in flames… that was over two years ago, it has grown stronger since.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:03 pmMaybe Bush is just trying to land grab and then he can sell all of the countries we own to China to absolve our debt. See he does have a plan.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:03 pm#17, Draft must come AFTER the November elections. Even if Dems take over House and Senate, lame duck Congress will pass it.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:05 pm#35
i thought so but wasn’t sure what side you were on.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:05 pmFrom that vantage point I sincerely support having Israel wage war so we can test their theories and put them to bed. 100 more years of death
Spoken like a truly insane person. Congrats DLC, now go to Iraq, or Afghanistan, OR Lebanon, or Syria and prove the vantage point of your “theory”
100 years of death for a theory?
July 17th, 2006 at 1:09 pmJULES & JAY RANDALL
I have been posting on this site, and others, for months now that Bushco will get their Iran/Syria war and that he will declare Martial Law.
I would imagine that the November elections are in doubt, unless the Bush poll numbers improve and the pukes start holding onto his coattails.
You see, the thing that Bush fears most is that the Dems take over the house and bills of impeachment ensue. Cant you just see all of the puke senators defending Iraq, the economy, high gas prices, etc., on national television with the whole world watching?
July 17th, 2006 at 1:10 pmGreat scheme neocon traitors. Even if it works,(doubtful), I’ll bet you have no plan for the aftermath. I see the US ………………….uh………….broke .
July 17th, 2006 at 1:11 pmI’m not sure full engagement with either Iran or Syria would be politically sustainable at home. Shrub and Puppetmaster Rove seek a permanent Republican majority in government, yet their incompetence has virtually discredited the GOP and the conservative world view. Stumbling into a regional war in the Middle East, where we would likely fare poorly short of nuclear war, would probably end Republican political prospects for a generation. Once again, we have concrete evidence that Bush is a small man in a big job. God bless America, indeed…
July 17th, 2006 at 1:12 pm#22
The reason so many americans agreed to invade Iraq, was because of the Alqaeda connection.
There wasn’t enough Muslim blood spilled in Afghanistan in revenge for 9/11, and it was over before it started.
On 9/12/2001 Dick Cheney was complaining that the targets in Afghanistan were too small, and he wanted to bomb big targets in Baghdad.
In my humble opinion, Iraq was the real revenge for 9/11. It delivered the message of “Don’t F*CK with us , or we’ll invade another country”
However, it backfired
July 17th, 2006 at 1:12 pmI expect some kind of staged event to directly link Syria into the Lebanon conflict, which would give Israel a green light to attack Syria, and give Bush cover to attack Iran > I believe we are just a few days away from the start of WWIII > thank Bush for killing millions soon!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:12 pmIsrael is insane.
Muslims are really insane.
Pro Zion Jesus people are beyond insane.
And I’m not going to pretend I give a shit about any of them.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:13 pmYes post 42 Rebel > that which we have feared for months is coming to pass > Bush allowed Israel to set off the big war they all desire > before the end of this month Bush will bomb Iran!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:16 pmAlso
The doctrine of Pre-emption is what got us into this fix with North Korea.
North Korea realized that the only thing that would keep Bush from pre-empting them, was a Nuclear (Nuculor) deterrent.
Thank GDUB. Thanks for making the world a safer place.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:18 pmIsrael is insane.
Muslims are really insane.
Pro Zion Jesus people are beyond insane.
And I’m not going to pretend I give a shit about any of them.
You left out the insane fundie falwellian wackos they want to kill all the above, so I guess you belong in the last and final group of the insaniacs.
Tell you what DLC, you and all your proud haters, just wipe each other out, none of you give a shit about the other so really then
What is the difference between an insane fundie and an insane mullah, and an insane zionist??
Religion?
July 17th, 2006 at 1:19 pmPro Zion Jesus people == fundie
July 17th, 2006 at 1:21 pmthis just in:
July 17th, 2006 at 1:21 pmAssad’s wallet found besides the wreckage of a Katyusha rocket in Israel.
this just in:
Assad’s wallet found besides the wreckage of a Katyusha rocket in Israel.
Comment by GG
That would be funny if not for the images in my head of people jumping out of buildings on 911…
July 17th, 2006 at 1:22 pmMiddle East Crisis Open Thread II…
This is the Middle East Crisis II open-thread. We all hope this doesn’t turn into the July War, but these days? Please post all developments, news stories, comments, links, theories, ideas, etc. here in this thread. The first thread can be found here….
July 17th, 2006 at 1:23 pmStill no usual Bush defender trolls in here yet > they must really be in a heated consultation with Karl Rove of how to attack us on this TP thread?!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:25 pmDLC has given us a view into unhinged world.
It’s all about not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
Thanks DLC, it’s the people that think like you do that make the world a much better place to live. =)
/sarc on
July 17th, 2006 at 1:27 pminsane fundie falwellian wackos
I am scared of the power these guys have over social debates here at home. The Falwells are pretty radical hypocrites. But they are here. So am I. And I can take these guys if it comes to that.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:28 pmStill no usual Bush defender trolls in here yet > they must really be in a heated consultation with Karl Rove of how to attack us on this TP thread?!
Comment by Jay Randal — July 17, 2006 @ 1:25 pm
I’ll fill in.
We have to attack and protect our interests and bring democracy and the free market to the region.
Consider what has been acheived to date in Iraq.
There’s artillery, white phosphorous, mortars, small arms fire, grenades. By golly the smorgasbord of choice that the US has furnished the Iraqis has to be seen to be believed.
Then when you factor in the healthy competition in the market place! There are IED’s, Russian RPG’s and more small arms fire than you could shake a stick with your helmet propped up over the top of your trench at.
Before it was just small arms fire (generally to the back of the head, not absolutely anywhere as is currently the exciting reality), and poison gas, maybe, if you were lucky. That was pretty rare though.
Yes, freedumb and the free market on the march have left the Iraqis positively spoiled for choice.
As regards how to die violently that is. Still can’t get the hang of supplying electricity though.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:29 pm#55 Jay Randal
July 17th, 2006 at 1:31 pmI’m sure they’re all down at the Army recruiting station this very minute to sign up to fight all these good fights.
I am scared of the power these guys have over social debates here at home, but I don’t give a shit. The Falwells are pretty radical hypocrites but I don’t give a shit. But they are here. So am I. And I can take these guys if it comes to that, but really I don’t give a shit. -DLC
July 17th, 2006 at 1:32 pmLol Brian I needed a laugh before Chase and the other trolls march onto the thred!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:32 pmI think I should clarify. In the end I sincerely believe peaceful Americans and Peaceful Muslims will be at the wheel. Sooner than later.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:33 pmThis thread I mean > lol.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:33 pm“Cool Breeze” seems innappropriate name.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:33 pmCool Breeze†seems innappropriate name.
Comment by Destroy the DLC
Why would you give a shit what my name is =)
July 17th, 2006 at 1:36 pm17 & 49, I’m not the least bit certain that the Dems in a lame duck congress would not sign on to a draft.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:37 pmThe name, cool breeze, means nothing, the words that cool breeze typed have kicked your ass.
Please come back later and try again, that is if you give a ‘crap’
Thanks for playing!
July 17th, 2006 at 1:37 pmWell I have to go water my garden > heat wave in Georgia > take care all and bash the Bush lover trolls when they sweep onto this thread eventually like flies > lol.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:40 pm59 Brian
July 17th, 2006 at 1:41 pmAlmost. Except I could actually read your post AND the next one both on the same screen. To be an accomplished troll fill-in, you would have to write a post that gave my scrolling hand carpal tunnel. But then, I can’t fault you for your failure. Ignorance, stupidity, and drunkenness are easy to demonstrate when they are real and very difficult when they are attempted by sane, rational, sober people.
What exactly would be wrong with achieving “regime change” in Syria? Without those two governments, there’s no Middle East problem.
July 17th, 2006 at 1:57 pmRepublican Party, Democratic Party, and DLC’s All Out Assault on the Blogosphere
July 17th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#70 – go back about 4 years and insert the name “Suddam Hussein” and tell me honestly….is the middle east better off now? If you drink kool aid you will respond in the affirmative. If you are a rational, intelligent. compassionate troll who would rather see diplomacy at work than another American die in the middle east for oil, your answer will be a resounding NO!!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:01 pmStill no usual Bush defender trolls in here yet
Comment by Jay Randal
They’re all in front of their TVs having wargasms.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:03 pmIn case anyone notices that Hezbollah is also called Hizballah that is *not* a spelling error but a difference in translation preferences.
The BBC sticks with Hizballah:)
July 17th, 2006 at 2:13 pmThese powerful guys are too frightening.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:15 pmIts hard to defend Isreals actions even if you spend your life under a bridge.The massive bombing of a countries civilian populayion and infrastructure as a response to 2 kidnapped soldiers by a country that has kidnapped large numbers of palestinian gov’t members only a week or so earlier .Its alright to kidnap gov’t officials from palestine but the abduction of a jewish soldier is beyond bearing.SHAME!!!!ZIONISM IS RACISM !!!
July 17th, 2006 at 2:16 pmmadashell,
Right there with ya. I’m done with Ed Schultz. And this is right smack in the middle of selling advertizing.
What wasn’t fully expected, however, was the vicious manner in which the Democratic Party and its lonely pundit, Ed Schultz, have assailed the blogosphere.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:18 pmI have up a relatively snark-free post about Israel and Hezbollah. Call it naive and simple-minded but I don’t recall anyone asking the basic questions that I have.
Such as, since when is the murder of children not an actionable war crime?
July 17th, 2006 at 2:22 pmSEIXON RULES !
July 17th, 2006 at 2:23 pmkill another baby for Jesus
July 17th, 2006 at 2:24 pmmadashell and DLC – I will not even listen to Ed Schultz anymore. His defense of Lieberman at all costs has totally lost me. If Lieberman loses the primary and runs as an independent the repugs will get that seat.
They do not even recognize that it is the RIGHT of democrats to choose who they want to represent them.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:25 pmEd Schultz is one of them.
Equating the plight of Israelis with that of Katrina survivors.
Shaming progressives as being unaccustomed to realities of being an Israeli victim.
He does it for money.
He does it to get big ticket Democrats like Hillary on his show.
Ed Schultz is the DLC.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:27 pmWhen do we “redress’ our governement for legitimate grievances?
For their failure to dutifully perform their Oath of Office; their responsibility to perform thier duties in the interest of the people?
Too many ‘clusterf*cks’ all around us – and WE THE PEOPLE are angry, mad and ashamed of our country’s role in these warmongers thrist for world-economic control – to make themselves gawds over their fellow men and women with the falsehood of using the banner of Christian Love and Righteousness!! Let alone to spread Democracy – mob-rule nonetheless. Libery first – representative government second.
Love your neighbor as you love yourself – I guess these MFs must really have some self-confidence issues with serious degrees of insecurity.
When do WE – everyone here, translate our VOICE into ACTION – the difference in Walking the Path versus just Talking about it.
I’m naive – still with hope for our Forefather principles of Sovereignty, Equaily, and LIBERTY for ALL. I don’t ask for answers – just some direction we all can move together in to have a land ruled by its people in peace for the pursuit of happiness.
These SOBs will open the gates of Hell so they can rule as the Devil rather than serve the Light of Providence.
Maybe’s it’s best ALL these events happen now (definietly helped along too) but we all will have to make a choice regarding who we are – I’ve been mad for too long – now I prepare and reach out for solidarity among my peers and neighbors to remember that WE are the Sovereigns of this land – and the government is our instrument – but it still fails to awaken the masses of sheeple that have the power to change this world by simply raising your voice to be heard.
keep your eye on the tactical ‘balls’ in play but remember to envision the entire theater of this world drama – all points are not so independent of one another if you look closely – but then remember to take action – peaceful at first to demonstrate – and then by our Forefathers example if necessary.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:28 pmThe last thing you do before you become obsolete is assume bloggers are any different than fans of progressive radio.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:29 pm#79 it’s satan rules !
July 17th, 2006 at 2:29 pmExactly! But sadly the neocons have thought of this well in advance. The ChristoNazis have been encouraging the dumbing down of America forever. Take for example the idiot notion of Creation Science. The neocon and Xtian leaders are not stupid. They know full well that the sheeple must be kept ignorant. To that end they have bought out virtually the entire sources of information by which people rely (think MSM) except for the internet and that is next if the Net Neutrality ammendments aren’t passed. We’ve entered 1984 folks, keeping your eyes shut won’t change it.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:33 pm#71 Madashell, great link. Thank’s……Good post all……The latest count 165 Lebonon killed and 24 Israles….Israel spokesman said for all Lebanon to leave area and then bombed the buses leaving the other day. This morning they asked Lebanon to secure its borders, ah yes! by all means be another target to shoot at…. Note to all, the French had come to the aid of Lebanon and moved out over 1000 Lebanonese and were working towards moving more to cyprus……Not to be slow as usual the Us sent in choppers and moved 50 or so this morning…….
By the looks of the article that you gave us a link to, Mad….We do have a lot of power and standing together we can creat good change..In my state it is interesting to note Cantwell has been advertising for some weeks now on T.V. and her oponent hasent even started. She and all the rest of the Rep.lites should be worried. They will not get my vote. In an over view note also the Dem’s again are silent…
In a final sickening note, have you all seen the bush putin discussion at the summit where our disgusting leader is eating and speaking… Reminds me of the dreadful prefect in the Lord of the rings movie stuffing his face…He chews and speaks while his mouth is full and open…..What a miserable example. No eticate, class or proper upbringing. Yep! he’s a son of barbara alright…..Blessing, choose peace and justice for human kind.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:37 pmI believe the thread here is about the neocan charge to war in the Middle East–after clearly demonstrating they cannot “do war” as witnessed by their abject failure in Iraq. By nitpicking posts here, the trolls are trying to misdirect the thread away from the fact that the GOP has cast their lot with the neocon failures and they (Cheney-Kristol-Rumsfeld-Bush) are in no way-shape-or form “conservatives.”
July 17th, 2006 at 2:42 pmanyone who critisizes Irael a racist and further anyone who isn’t jewish is a closet racist mighty? Had dinner last night with jewish friends as a matter of fact and wow it hadn’t even occured to me .Some people see beyond race , the rest ARE racists !
July 17th, 2006 at 2:47 pmPNAC:
Pathetic NeoCons Are Crazy
July 17th, 2006 at 2:50 pmThe prime minister of Lebanon, who was installed with President Bush’s approval when Syria, under Bush’s pressure, recently withdrew its troops from Lebanon, has twice appealed to Bush to pressure Israel to stop its criminal attacks. Our great moral, democratic, Christian leader has twice rebuffed the appeal from the legal representative of the Lebanese people. Instead, Bush is willingly going along with the 1996 neocon script. Bush is laying the blame on Syria and Iran, exactly as the neocon script calls for him to do.
July 17th, 2006 at 2:50 pm[...] This is a really disturbing post by Joseph Cirincione at Think Progress: In 1996, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser (all later senior officials in the Bush administration) had a plan for how to destroy Hezbollah: Invade Iraq. They wrote a report to the newly elected Likud government in Israel calling for “a clean break†with the policies of negotiating with the Palestinians and trading land for peace. [...]
July 17th, 2006 at 2:57 pmYou know. I hope these troll, right wing appologists, find a real job soon, so they won’t have time to BS on the Bloggsphere.
And, NO…Surfing for porn is not a real job
July 17th, 2006 at 3:02 pmWhat about posting at 3:02pm? Are you not at work?
July 17th, 2006 at 3:12 pmbe all you can be ,work for peace
July 17th, 2006 at 3:13 pmThanks Brian
July 17th, 2006 at 3:24 pmwhat makes all this so depressing is that the mighty love machine IS jewish.Is the human race really this stupid ? Don’t answer that !!!
July 17th, 2006 at 3:26 pmNext time Bill Kristol finds himself in the land of OZ, he should ask the wizard for a brain, a heart, and some courage.
July 17th, 2006 at 3:26 pmALL ONE FAMILY
July 17th, 2006 at 3:26 pmJews included!
July 17th, 2006 at 3:27 pmMoshe stop hitting your brother or you’ll have to go in time out
July 17th, 2006 at 3:32 pmFrench premier in Beirut
France’s prime minister is in Lebanon to express his country’s support for the Lebanese people in the face of a massive Israeli onslaught on the country.
Dominique de Villepin landed in Beirut on Monday afternoon and went straight into talks with the Lebanese prime minister, Fuad Siniora, officials said.
Philippe Douste-Blazy, France’s foreign minister, accompanied him.
FULL LINK
July 17th, 2006 at 3:33 pm[...] From ThinkProgress: In 1996, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser (all later senior officials in the Bush administration) had a plan for how to destroy Hezbollah: Invade Iraq. They wrote a report to the newly elected Likud government in Israel calling for “a clean break†with the policies of negotiating with the Palestinians and trading land for peace. [...]
July 17th, 2006 at 3:45 pm#99- “I don’t agree with you because you are a genocidal fascist. Race doesn’t enter into it.” – Comment by Brian Coughlan
******Brian you are an idiot – but let’s examine how one might arrive at that conclusion. If the Arabs would leave Israel ALONE, YOU would be amazed how peacably they could be neighbours. I have NO wish to see ANY people exterminated – but I have no wish for the anti-Jews to stand by and watch Israel be detroyed and YOU stand there and say “It’s none of our business.”
As always, Brian thank you for truly monotonous reading. As you disgorge your PC viewpoint, I realize you are just another cog in the “wheels of progress” – you’ve little choice. I hear they’re having a white sheet sale at a department sale near you…You know how us Jews LOVE a bargain…..
’til later….
July 17th, 2006 at 3:56 pmthanx again ,gee I wish the UN could work this well ,we’d be able to finally move on and begin the real adventures rather than these tired milleniums old race ,religion ,patriotic war games .Thanks for the hope .
July 17th, 2006 at 3:57 pmmighty ignorant racism here can’t find her humanity .Try looking at some pictures of the war on terror in the mis east ,theres some good ones of parents picking their childrens body parts out of piles of the dead .Looks alot like the photo’s of bodies from auswitz but don’t let that bother you .THEY AREN’T JEWS !
July 17th, 2006 at 4:03 pmRyANNE – How nice to hear from you!!! Were you away on holiday or did you just get out of jail??
Busy til later…..
July 17th, 2006 at 4:03 pmIf the Arabs would leave Israel ALONE, YOU would be amazed how peacably they could be neighbours.
Isn’t that just the teeniest bit naive? This is your suggestion? “WEEEE AREEEE THE WURRRLD, WE ARREEE THEEEE PEOPLE ….”. The arabs should leave them alone?
Phew …. you’re a right brainiac ain’t yah?
Can one hazard the question, might it not be the “other” side that needs to leave the Arabs alone? Would it be possible to stretch to the concept that they should leave one another alone, and if they won’t, have there military taken away from them as one takes away the smashed toy of a child having a tantrum?
Demilitarisation strikes as a modest step in the right direction, injunctions to “behave” have thus far fallen on deaf ears, on both sides I might add.
July 17th, 2006 at 4:07 pm“******Brian you are an idiot – but let’s examine how one might arrive at that conclusion. If the Arabs would leave Israel ALONE, YOU would be amazed how peacably they could be neighbours. Comment by Mighty Hermaphrodite”
The retarded zionist calls others an idiot. Now THAT is rich.
Israel attacks its neighbors, steals their lands, puts the remaining people in concentration camps, and they just want to be left alone? That’s rich. You should write fiction for a living, because everything you claim is a lie.
I noticed your lie this weekend where ONCE AGAIN falsely claimed Israel was attacked on 3 sides by its neighbors. I corrected this lie last year, so your reposting of it is definitely an example of propaganda lies, from a professional psychotic. Israel pre-emptively attacked its neighbors and stole their land. Israel won’t give back that land, but claims to just want peace? You’re an idiot, and a lying fool.
“I have NO wish to see ANY people exterminated – but I have no wish for the anti-Jews to stand by and watch Israel be detroyed and YOU stand there and say “It’s none of our business.†Comment by mighty moron”
Ah, now the slanderous claims that anyone that opposes an action of Israel wants Israel destroyed. You’re such a hateful stupid psychotic. Get a clue ManWoman, that if anyone causes Israel to be destroyed, it will be rightwing zionist zealots from PNAC like you that encourage them to act irresponstibly and with unjustified force. Lebanon has very little control over Hizbollah, yet you think it’s OK to bomb Beirut?
You’re a dumb@$$ and a lying fool. But then again, everyone one that posts here is clear on the concept.
Heck, you’re the attorney that can’t spell breach – now THAT’S AN IDIOT!
BAHAHAHA, the BORING Zzzzz. Mighty Moron makes another leap of idiocy for all to see.
You’re the blind, leading the stupid. Please never reproduce, your genes should have died off with the stone age.
July 17th, 2006 at 4:10 pm[...] Conflict continues over who should be further involved in the conflict. Whose fight is it anyway? Nobody will butter up to anyone any time soon. Who will be toast has yet to be determined. [...]
July 17th, 2006 at 4:12 pm“RyANNE – How nice to hear from you!!! Were you away on holiday or did you just get out of jail??
Busy til later….. Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Oh please, you’re such a pathetic psychotic. It’s people like you that end up in Jail, and hence your familiarity with the subject.
You busy? Is it your turn on the webcam or the 900 phone lines? Make sure you put batteries in the toys, you don’t want to disappoint all of those shemale fetish internet viewers.
July 17th, 2006 at 4:12 pmWhat exactly would be wrong with achieving “regime change†in Syria? Without those two governments, there’s no Middle East problem.
Comment by Fred Zimmerman
Same thing can be said of Israel. And Syria didnt get wiped off the map 2000 years ago by the Romans … so they been there longest…
And since we cant just pretend Israel didnt happen.. then we need to figure out a way for both “regimes” to get along.
July 17th, 2006 at 4:14 pmRyan Neat, great to see you post again……You have been missed, by me…….I send Blessings and do hope to see more of your posts………
July 17th, 2006 at 4:15 pm“Busy til later….. Comment by mighty aphroditeâ€
Translation.
Mighty Moron is just another Cowardly Fool as usual. Post and run, because he’s been neutered enough times he doesn’t have the cajones to stay and defend himself.
Come on mighty moron, repost the lie about israel being attacked again. You do realize that the 6 days war actually has a timeline, and it shows Israel attacked first – right? Oh wait, you never let facts undermine those childish and psychotic FEELINGS of yours. Zzzzzz…
What a loser.
An attorney that can’t spell BREACH! You would think someone as incompetent as you would have already been sued for Malpractice and Breach of Fiduciary Duty. Then again, we all know you aren’t really an attorney, a woman or an adult.
July 17th, 2006 at 4:16 pmAMEN #118 long long over due .Oh hey jesus !
July 17th, 2006 at 4:16 pm#114
“Lebanon has very little control over Hizbollah, yet you think it’s OK to bomb Beirut?”
Why?
July 17th, 2006 at 4:20 pmSomeone needs to take the shovel out of Ed Schultz’s hands. He will not shut up about Israel.
July 17th, 2006 at 4:55 pm[...] Think Progress [...]
July 17th, 2006 at 5:19 pmDear A-RYAN- From Wikipedia, “The Yom Kippur War, Ramadan War or October War (Hebrew: מלחמת ×™×•× ×”×›×™×¤×•×¨×™×; transliterated: Milkhemet Yom HaKipurim or מלחמת ×™×•× ×›×™×¤×•×¨, Milkhemet Yom Kipur; Arabic: Øرب أكتوبر‎; transliterated: ħarb October or Øرب تشرين, ħarb Tishrin), also known as the 1973 Arab-Israeli War, was fought from October 6 to October 26, 1973, between Israel and a coalition of Arab nations led by Egypt and Syria. The war began on the day of Yom Kippur with a surprise joint attack by Egypt and Syria. They invaded the Sinai and Golan Heights, respectively, which had been captured by Israel in 1967 during the Six-Day War.”
July 17th, 2006 at 5:29 pmThe usual Bush defender trolls are not on this thread yet, so they are in consultation with Karl Rove of what to say on here > lol. My guess is that they will call us Muslim lovers or anti-Jewish > some dumb crap like that probably!
Actually, I was thinking “naive,” “facile” and “uneducated” as the best description for the comments on this thread.
July 17th, 2006 at 5:44 pmDear Mighty Aphrodite the Retarded Hermaphrodite.
Your own thread debunks you. But then again, as a hate filled zionist propagandist you already knew that didn’t you. The Sinai and Golan Heights were stolen from their neighbors in a war that Israel started.
From wikipedia.
I stated Israel was sitting on stolen land, they stole by attacking first. This is all true. The 1973 war was a failed effort to take back stolen lands. Just like much of the Palestinian and related fighting has been since.
Sorry Mighty Moron – but YOU LOSE AGAIN. For someone that claims to have attended private catholic school, you are incredibly uneducated and stupid. It must be the genes, were your parents first cousins?
July 17th, 2006 at 5:46 pmMighty Moron, just to remind you, that’s the same war you posted in your quote.
You’re not only a pretend lawyer, you’re a pretend historian. You’re an idiot, a liar and an ignorant fool with pathological and psychotic tendencies. You need a padded cell mighty hermaph.
July 17th, 2006 at 5:48 pmA-Ryan – I think you’ll look adorable in your burka….But remember, keep your eyes averted when you’re out and make sure your dad or brother escorts you….
July 17th, 2006 at 5:51 pm“A-Ryan – I think you’ll look adorable in your burka….But remember, keep your eyes averted when you’re out and make sure your dad or brother escorts you…. Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Says the retard who was just shown to be an inept fool. As usual, you’re proven to be deficient once again, so your first attack is a transparent effort to attack the masculinity of the man who defeated you. Considering your long suffering with gender identity, it’s easy to see why you would be so desperate to lash out instead of facing your continued and consistent failures. You should get a LIFE COACH, it might help you to move on from your FAKE career into something more suiting your skills. Like sanitation engineer or domestic service.
July 17th, 2006 at 5:59 pmWelcome to the wacky “reverse” universe…
…where the Jews havebecme th Nazis…
with…
…Ehud Ohlmert as Adolf Hitler…
…with George W. bush as hi faithful sidekick Benito “Il Duce” Mussolini…
…and their dog Paddlefoot (ably played by Tony Blair)…
The Israelis are MURDERING innocent Lebanese…
July 17th, 2006 at 6:17 pmMighty igorant has in an earlier blog said she was a jew and that her family was russian.somehow she has also attended catholic school ,WOW she is progressive .
July 17th, 2006 at 6:25 pmFat Papa – I DO feel sorry for the poor Lebanese. It’s a shame their fledgling government couldn’t get rid of Hezbollah – as you seem to love the UN, check out their resolution 1559. Having Hezbollah in your country is akin to having your house overrun with cockroaches – or your neighbourhood in the middle of a Blood/Crips War. But you might gain a tad of credibility when you discuss who started this latest conflict – A little hint: their young men and women generally don’t serve in the military unless they volunter for suicide “missions”.
July 17th, 2006 at 6:32 pmMy Dear Freeman – As usual, you’re half right – but for a half wit, that is an excellent showing!! FYI, My family is not Russian. My father was Irish-Catholic. My mother was a Jew. I attended private schools including some Catholic schools.
P.S. I tried to use short sentences with small words so you would understand the information a bit easier
July 17th, 2006 at 6:38 pmWar is What they Wanted and Now They Have It (or so they hope)…
John Dean’s new book, Conservatives Without a Conscience, about the rise of an authoritrian culture within the Republican Party could not have been published at a better time. One of his points — perhaps his main point — is that an a…
July 17th, 2006 at 6:41 pmPlease people, if you are going to respond to that great waste of bandwidth MA, don’t quote her. I have a scroll wheel for a reason.
July 17th, 2006 at 6:43 pmIsrael didn’t start this round of violence. Hold on, those who are in the “Zionists blah blah blah group”. I’m not going back 1000 years, 100 years or 10 years. I’m saying this LAST round of violence started with Hamas and Hezbollah. Furthermore, most Arabs don’t give a damn about the people of Palastine. They use those poor people to push their sick interpretation of the Koran to declare war on the lifestyle of the non muslim…
July 17th, 2006 at 6:48 pmMitey mouse ,Thats right by kidnapping a soldier the arabs started a war .But the kidnapping of palestinian gov’t officials by Israel is just foreign policy, and had nothing to do with it .Oh and by the way the gov’t and people of Lebanon had no knowlege of this beforehand.One kidnapped soldier is a good reason to destroy another countries economy and infrastructure ,no over reaction there.Just stick to insults your arguements are woefully inadequate!
July 17th, 2006 at 6:51 pmall this fighting must be slowing down the zionists recreation of the warsaw ghetto ,wall and all
July 17th, 2006 at 6:54 pmLebanon has been runned by Syria for years. Hezbollah is supported by Syria and Iran. Syria and Iran still use the occasional suicide bomber, but now, suicide drones, enhanced rockets and nuclear advancement spells one thing…. DISASTER. Possibly for the world. However, sooner or later someone (the U.S., Russia, EU) is going to have to help solve this conflict before this definitely occurs. It better happen soon. Once these type of conflicts get out of control, hold on fellow TP’ers. It’s going to get ugly…….
July 17th, 2006 at 6:58 pm#140 – really? Why is it then that the one-year truce that Hamas pretty much held to was broken by an Israeli shell into the middle of a Gaza family on a beach and then the abduction of two sons of a Hamas leader the day before the abduction of the first Israeli soldier? Doesn’t really matter how far you go back, the Israeli’s failed to build on the Hamas truce and each escalation has been in disproportion to the cause. And the Hizbollah seem to have demonstrated sympathy with the Palestinians by their action.
July 17th, 2006 at 6:58 pm#144 Hamas was already shelling Israeli civilians when that shell landed. BTW, there was no independent investigation to find out who fired that shell.
July 17th, 2006 at 7:04 pmJust draw the border, build a wall, and keep the two sides apart. There hasn’t been a cease fire in that part of the world for thousands of years. That said, anyone who calls themselves “Party of God” doesn’t get my sympathy or support.
July 17th, 2006 at 7:06 pm#145 I said ‘pretty much’ – there’s no absolute here. The Palestinians fire a hand made rocket or two and the Israelis respond with 250 artillery shells a day for three days… http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4892744.stm
July 17th, 2006 at 7:06 pmMy point is that the escalation and disproportion has nearly always been from the Israeli side.
Oh and the US based HRW criticized the Israeli whitewsh of the shelling on the beach.
July 17th, 2006 at 7:08 pmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5104010.stm
My dear Mr. Freeman – I guess you missed:
a.) the Israeli civilian killed the day before an Israeli soldier was taken in Gaza,
b.) the rocket launches into Israel BEFORE Hezbollah killed the eight soldiers and kidnapped two.
I didn’t say Lebanon knew about this beforehand – but they sure knew who was occupying and paying the freight on their southern border. If the kidnapped Palestinians were not Hamas or al Acqa Martyrs Brigade, they should be returned. If they were members of those groups, they are up the creek without the proverbial battle.
July 17th, 2006 at 7:09 pm#144
I’ve heard everything from the “beach incident” was caused by an Israely shell to the family accidently stepped on a line mine that was positioned to keep Israel from invading from the sea. The Hizbollah doen’t care about the Palestinians. No Arab country does. Sadaam used their cause. Jordan and Syria refuse any Palestinian refugees. Egypt seals off their border with a wall. Hizbollah cares about a totally different cause than the Palestinians. There care about the destruction of not only Israel, but anyone who opposes Islam the way they read it.
July 17th, 2006 at 7:09 pmAnother war-monger: Jon Stewart on the Daily Show. I think he beat all of these neo-cons in calling this World War III. And for once, he wasn’t kidding either. July 13th, I think it was. Ooops.
July 17th, 2006 at 7:28 pm#150 – covered that in #148.
July 17th, 2006 at 7:32 pm[...] But Joseph Cirincione explained this morning that deescalation works against the goals of neoconservatives. Those who argued strenuously for a preemptive war against Iraq are now clamoring for a deeper regional war against Iran and Syria. [...]
July 17th, 2006 at 7:44 pmThanks Turtle – but your coverage is a little like the DA delivering the defense attorneys closing argument….But thanks, really!
July 17th, 2006 at 7:52 pmmy dear dite ,hamas is the elected gov’t in palestine and the first isreali’s were also terrorists who bombed public places as I recall .You can’t kidnap other peoples elected officials and not expect retaliation .Israels killing of civilians in lebanon is state sanctioned where as suicide bombers are rogues .Basic human rights apply to all human beings not just ‘our people “.
July 17th, 2006 at 8:07 pmYou can not target civlians and civilian infrastructure and be considered civil .Each dead husband ,wife ,mother father child ,parent ,brother ,sister cousin ,leaves myriad family members in devastation,this is the root of terrorism.Its not sound policy ,and more importantly it should be morally repugnant to any civilzed nation or individual .WAR IS MURDER !
July 17th, 2006 at 8:14 pmForget impeachment, The GOP controlled Congress will NEVER let it happen. Instead, frag the motherf*ckers!!!!
July 17th, 2006 at 8:21 pmLebanon and the Lebanese had a first shot at democracy and prosperity ,that maybe in the past by now .A friends father is married to a Syrian ,he had only flown out of the beruit airport a few hours before Isael attacked it .If he died there ,is that acceptable ? “collateral damage “?THOU SHALT NOT KILL
July 17th, 2006 at 8:23 pm“And for once, he wasn’t kidding either. July 13th, I think it was. Ooops. Comment by Seixon”
That’s what you get for trying to think for yourself. He’s a COMEDIAN, they tell jokes, it results in KIDDING.
Were you always this stupid, or did your parents leave you on a glacier?
July 17th, 2006 at 8:32 pmwhy are you in the right wing blogging when you could be shouldering the burden for your professed beliefs and marching to your local recruitment station ,if your too old or not physically capable send your kids ,mine aren’t going !!!
July 17th, 2006 at 8:42 pmMighty Moron, I’ll help you out with your HEBREW lesson today. Those Jewish grandparents of yours (assuming that isn’t yet another lie from you) would roll over in their graves to know their little grand son had grown up so ignorant of the language and heritage they fought to preserve. You’re a disgrace to judaism and christian traditions. You’re nothing but a hate filled gender confused psychotic sociopath.
Try again with another lie Mighty Moron – this one is SOUNDLY debunked as usual.
It get SO BORING having to repeatedly smack you down on the same retarded lies you post. I wish you were smart enough to at least be original. These countless boring rants of yours are monkey crap strewn zoo cages. You smell so bad it takes all of the fun at looking at you and the rest of the reichwing monkies scream like the animals you are.
July 17th, 2006 at 9:05 pm#163 Mighty Moron–You have been trounced by your better. you remain a bald fat sweaty loser. BTY, it is not hard to better you. Bring it back and make a fool of yourself once again. Nice work Ryan!
July 17th, 2006 at 9:51 pm#154, I thought had a fairly relevant point to bring up, MA. You should be pleased to learn that the liberal media, led by the Wolf Blitzer channel is pulling for Israel
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-boehlert/cnns-lebanon-problem_b_25031.html
Ah, who needs to count the untermensch anyway, even the Canadian ones?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14035.htm
July 18th, 2006 at 12:17 am[...] Think Progress discusses an interesting report: In 1996, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser (all later senior officials in the Bush administration) had a plan for how to destroy Hezbollah: Invade Iraq. They wrote a report to the newly elected Likud government in Israel calling for “a clean break†with the policies of negotiating with the Palestinians and trading land for peace. [...]
July 18th, 2006 at 1:03 amJust an observation; the one called Mighty Moron actually represents the majority of people in America who have become so desensitized that indifference has actually turned into outright malice. It is so damn funny how predictably wrong they are.
Point to ponder: ignorance->desensitization->stupid maliciousness.
Why go towards maliciousness and not towards ultimate stupidity (vegetative state)?
Pretty damn scary.
July 18th, 2006 at 7:47 am[...] In today’s column, Will slams Kristol’s latest war-mongering and answers Kristol’s question, “Why wait” to bomb Iran?: “Perhaps because the U.S. military has enough on its plate in the deteriorating wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which both border Iran. And perhaps because containment, although of uncertain success, did work against Stalin and his successors, and might be preferable to a war against a nation much larger and more formidable than Iraq.” Steve Clemons has more. 8:22 am | Comment (2) [...]
July 18th, 2006 at 8:52 am[...] Joseph Circione today takes up the argument that escalating regional violence in the Middle East serves neoconservative interests. Perle has already weighed in in a June 25 Washington Post editorial decrying Bush’s “ignominious retreat” on Iran. He, too, wants war. Newt Gingrich on Meet the Press this Sunday said we were already in World War III and that the US needed to take direct action against North Korea and Iran. Less well known pundits have flooded cable news and talk radio this weekend beating the war drums. Meanwhile, David Wurmser is ensconced in Vice-President Cheney’s office, and his neoconservative colleague Elliot Abrams (the convicted Iran-Contra felon who urged war with Iraq in a 1998 letter to President Bill Clinton) directs Middle East policy on the National Security Council staff. [...]
July 18th, 2006 at 11:12 amAt this stage, Israel is a distraction. As Israel attacks her neighbors, the US erodes rights at home.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:12 pmWhile Israel drops bombs, the US steals private land, pressures Amazon to drop the book “America Deceived” by E.A. Blayre III and illegally wire-taps all phones.
Then the US will attack Iran sending the entire Middle East into conflict.
Mix in another false-flag attack on the US (like 9/11) and the public will clamour for One World Gov’t.
All courtesy of PNAC.
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Final link (before Google Books is forced to drop the book):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0
I see some people think “voting Democrat” is going to solve everything… it will not.
The Democrats are just as cozy with Israel as the Repubs. Look at Hilary spouting
“All Americans support Israel”. Speak for yourself you lying Israeli-firster.
We need people who speak for AMERICA FIRST.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:19 pmI DO feel sorry for the poor Lebanese.
Comment by mighty aphrodite #136
Puny,
…you had me going (thinking you could possibly be human) for a minute there…
…then your true colors came thru…
…why do you racist right wing troglodytes choose to ignore HISTORY?
…What came first…
…the state of Israel or Hezbollah?
…manifest destiny or Hezbollah?
…colonialism or Hezbollah?…
…exploitation of ME resources or Hezbollah?…
…WASP/Zionist encroachment on Muslim Holy Lands or Hezbollah?
July 18th, 2006 at 5:48 pmDear Fat Papa – How kind of you to demonstrate that a mind is a terrible thing to waste!! Ask youself the following question – and if necessary take truth serum before divulging your answer. If Hamas and Hezbollah were disarmed what would the result be? More dead Arabs and Palestinians? NO. On the other hand, if Israel were to disarm, Israel would be destroyed by a barbaric Islamofascist culture which accepts no compromise …point….match….SET.
July 18th, 2006 at 11:16 pmFOX News is also echoing these sentiments. Surprise, surprise, surprise!
http://www.newshounds.us/2006/07/19/fox_news_uses_middle_east_war_as_opportunity_to_resurrect_neocon_agenda.php
July 19th, 2006 at 1:48 amI’ve had it with the neocons. It’s time for them to either be hung with some stout rope for treason or be put on boats and point them AWAY from the American shoreline. Preferably the first.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:18 amPeope have always taken advantage of other people. This is nothing new under the sun. The REAL reason that this is happening is because us Americans have too much pride to admit that we were completely fooled. Let’s face it, they got us and got us good. If they didn’t, none of this would be happening right now.
I’ll take the first step and admit my gullibility…
I was completely fooled by Bush and Co.
Sincerely,
July 19th, 2006 at 5:30 amAverage Joe American
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4892744.stm
My point is that the escalation and disproportion has nearly always been from the Israeli side.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — July 17, 2006 @ 7:06 pm ….
the bbc post then goes to say the attack was retalitaion for more than 750shells hittinh israel
July 19th, 2006 at 11:57 am[...] This morning on Fox, Bill Kristol continued to escalate his calls for war against Iran, stating, “We can try diplomacy. I’m not very hopeful about that. We have to be ready to use force.†Kristol claimed the people of Iran would embrace “the right use of targeted military force.†He added that military force could “trigger changes in Iran,” causing them to embrace regime change. Watch it. [...]
July 19th, 2006 at 12:15 pmDear News Dog Ellen – Nice of you to particpate here with your crew here here at TP – and thanks for the link to NewsDogs – I can always use a prog-laugh….But I do admire your courage (!) I would probably be ill if my job were to monitor AiryAmerica or NPR daily…..
July 19th, 2006 at 4:55 pmA larger continuing engagement in the middle east is actually in the national interest if we can institute creative destruction policies and remove the need for troops by replacing them with automated assault vehicles and robust nuclear earth penetrators. By causing radical destabilizations of any regime that opposes US interests in the area we can eliminate any problem before it gets out of hand.
July 20th, 2006 at 6:49 pm[...] Comme d’autres qui jugent bon d’entrer en guerre contre l’Iran, à la faveur du conflit actuel entre Israël et le Hezbollah. Brrr… [...]
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:56 pmIt all seems so convenient right now. All of mainstream media is for this showdown. Especially FOX of course! With mid year elections coming, what the hell will happen in this country. Why does a few ‘global morons’ speak for so many billions on this planet. What can we do to get rid of these bastards who has set up a gas station in the white house. The only say we have is we pull a lever every 4 years in a little booth. Even thats going to hell………………!
July 24th, 2006 at 8:28 pmNeocons are all Zionists
I don’t understand why we contine to use this word “neocon”. Everyone of the neocons that got us into the Iraq war are in fact Zionists. And now they want to take out Iran ! Everything these neocons do is centered around making the world safe for Israel. There loyalty is to Israel first and then America second. That is why they don’t mind using American blood to fight Israel’s wars. Thay are in fact all Zionists.
Why don’t we just call them what they are …. Zionists ?
Is it because we are afraid to use that word ? The word Zionism is very closely connected to Jews. Most Zionists are Jews. Some Christians are also Zionists. But, perhaps we fear that the Jews will come back at us with the “anti-semite” word.
Where did this word “neocon” come from ? It has only been around for a few years. While the word Zionist has been around for more that 100 years. The word neocon is meaningless. Five years from now the word will be forgotten. And that is exactly what the neocons want. They, as Zionists, don’t want to have history pin the disaster of Iraq on them. They want the history books to read ” the neocons caused the disaster”.
At a time when we are being asked to once again shed American blood for some cause, wouldn’t it be wise to actually identify those people and which countries that are pushing for this war?
I think it is quite obvious that Israel is pushing for us to make war on Iran, but wouldn’t it be wise at this time to also correctly identify Israel’s supporters here in our country that are pushing us into this. Why call these people neocons when they are all Zionists?
I guarantee that if we all start correctly identifying them by what they really are, Zionists, they will think twice about calling for America to make the world safe for Israel. And why ? Because history will judge them for what they really are, Zionists, more loyal to Israel than to America.
July 25th, 2006 at 5:09 pmI am so ashamed that I wasted my vote on George Bush. What was I thinking? Why did I let my right wing extremist, neo-conservative, neo-evangelical thinking get in the way of exercising sound personal judgment when I entered that voting booth?
Growing up, I was led to believe that the Republican Party was a grass roots party of the people & for the people. In retrospect, it is clear that the last 3 presidents produced by the Republican Party were nothing more then the rich man’s rich man hiding under the disguise of the jingoistic patriotism and the lie of conservative values. The economic dark ages of reagonomics fleeced the middle and lower classes of this county simply to benefit the rich and wealthy and waste money on unnecessary unconstitutional military actions. George Sr. carried that same self-serving torch. George Jr. has quietly shifted this country back to those dark ages. Bush inherited a strong economy and squandered that real quick. And even though 9 -11 did happen, none of bush’s reckless decisions are in any way justified by that day in history. It is clear that he never had any real salient foreign & domestic policies when he became president in 2000. Bush and Cheney have pimped the Presidency and turned the senate into an auction house for legislation to the highest bidder.
Now we have 3 more years of neoconservative republican lies and a growing body count overseas. When are people going to wake up to the truth that neoconservative political philosophy does not work for anyone but the rich and wealthy at the top? When are people in the USA going to wake up to the fact that neoconservative republican political philosophy does not even cross paths with reality? The main goal of the neoconservatives who have destroyed the soul of the Republican Party is to consolidate national wealth to the nation’s top 2% wealthiest at the expense of the middle and lower classes while imperialistically occupying other nations. This is promoted under the façade of promoting democracy elsewhere in order to hide ugly truth regarding the real agenda. It is imperialism but we are now trying to do it to other countries instead of the British doing it to us.
Anyone who believes George war bush’s lies about promoting democracy in these Middle Eastern Islamic states is living in serious denial of reality. Those who believe bush’s lies are simply easy pickins and victims of logical fallacies. Historians and political scholars realize that to impose such changes on another country takes decades and that is only if it seriously adopted. Something that you are not going to make happen in an Islamic state. Also, the very definition of democracy is not something that the United States has any claim of ownership to. But then, if one looks at Bush’s view of democracy, it more closely resembles Mexico where you have a small rich elite ruling class and no middle class. In short…..a plutocracy.
If we ever actually do get out of Iraq, nothing will have changed and nothing will have been gained. The American people have never been given a specific objective in Iraq or a clear definition of exactly what “victory in Iraq†is from the president. Invading Iraq never had anything to do with, WMD, freeing the Iraqi people or making Americans safer and secure. Statements about WMD, Freeing Iraq or Making America Safer are nothing more then a neo-conservative marketing spin used to hide the ugly truth and make the lies palatable to the American public and justifiable to the red necks who voted for him. Bush likes to make statements such as “It’s worth the price†but he never says just what exactly “it†is. If he really believes that all of his waste of human lives and our tax dollars are worth it, then he should put his money where his mouth is and send his little party animals to go fight in Iraq. Isn’t it strange how all these young republican youths that get interviewed claim to be for Bush’s private pseudo war, but very few if any at all are willing to enlist in the military???
The Republican Party is currently composed of a lot of chicken hawks. Those who believe that advocating a war from afar is a sign of personal courage and strength, and that opposing a war from afar is a sign of personal cowardice and weakness. These chicken hawks are cowardly idiots who not only advocate wars, but they also believe that their advocacy is proof of the courage which those who will actually fight the war in combat require. You know the type…quick to judge, quick to anger and very very slow to understand. These republican chicken hawks will, conversely, attempt to depict those who oppose such wars as being weak, spineless and cowardly even though the war opponents are not seeking to avoid any personal risk to themselves, but instead, are arguing against subjecting their fellow citizens to what they perceive are unnecessary dangers.
Under the current President of the USA, we have now seen what the Republican party really stands for now that they have had about 6 or so good years of unobstructed ruling power. Yup…they’ve had their chance to demonstrate what they are made of and we can all now see that they are not what they claim to be. They are basically, a bunch of uncompassionate, un-conservative hypocrites. Fake, Christian, hate mongering Taliban trash like Ann Coulter.
I for one am tired of our political party making all these huge messes that have historically fallen to Democrats to clean up. Clinton took the 2 trillion dollar deficit economy that he inherited from our boys Reagan & Bush Sr. and prospered the country into one with a surplus without overtaxing the rich, middle and lower classes. Wake up America! Bush created the mess in the middle east starting with his personal desire to invade Iraq. “War on Terror???†Wake up America… you cannot wage war on a concept. Reagan sold this lie to us with his so called war on a concept we all know as the “war on drugsâ€. This has done absolutely nothing for our country. You cannot wage war on a concept but Bush, Cheney and most of the Republican Party hope that most Americans are stupid and impressionable enough to believe their lies.
The republican party claims to be for smaller less wasteful government but the current administration is responsible for the waste of more money, resources and human lives then any past democrat presidency. I have a hard time sleeping at night knowing that the blood of Americans and innocent Iraqi civilians is on my hands and the hands of those who voted for Cheney….I mean Bush. The real legacy of the bush administration is going to be one characterized by lots of wrongful deaths, lots of money and resources wasted, unnecessary tax increases for our children and grandchildren and the unnecessary destruction of various social programs that were never in need of fixing or eliminating to begin with.
Thanks to bush and his power hungry cabinet who all want to control congress, the senate & the Supreme Court, the USA is now a third world country hiding behind a lie of prosperity and so called society of personal ownership. In retrospect, I seem to own less now under this administration of “personal ownership†then I did during Bill Clinton’s presidency.
Thanks to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their puppets, the USA is now a huge debtor country. The only ones with real ownership as a result of the current presidential administration are the rich and elite. Now that the USA owes all these hundreds of millions of dollars to countries like China, Germany, Russia & Japan, I wonder which language I need to learn for the day when these countries come to collect…
Respectfully,
Leroy
PS: Farwell Party…I’m now an independent.
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