Snow To Helen Thomas: ‘Thank You For the Hezbollah View’
Snow To Helen Thomas: ‘Thank You For the Hezbollah View’
In a contentious exchange at this afternoon’s White House press briefing, Tony Snow attempted to discredit reporter Helen Thomas by characterizing her comments as “the Hezbollah view.†Watch it.
Thomas asked Snow why the U.S. recently vetoed an Arab-backed U.N. resolution calling for Israel to halt its military offensive in Lebanon. Snow claimed, “We didn’t even veto — please get your facts right.†Thomas followed up by specifically asking, “There was no veto at the U.N.?†Snow maintained: “No. There hasn’t been a resolution at the V.N. — the U.N., whatever it is.â€
Snow’s the one who may need to check his facts. The AP reports:
The United States blocked an Arab-backed resolution Thursday that would have demanded Israel halt its military offensive in the Gaza Strip, the first U.N. Security Council veto in nearly two years.
The draft, sponsored by Qatar on behalf of other Arab nations, accused Israel of a “disproportionate use of force” that endangered Palestinian civilians, and demanded Israel withdraw its troops from Gaza. The United States was alone in voting against the resolution. Ten of the 15 Security Council nations voted in favor, while Britain, Denmark, Peru and Slovakia abstained.
UPDATE: Commenter John points out that the U.N. veto dealt with Gaza operations, not Lebanon. It’s unclear from the transcript whether Thomas was referring to that vote or not.
Full transcript:
QUESTION: The United States is not that helpless. It could have stopped the bombardments of Lebanon. We have that much control with the Israelis.
SNOW: I don’t think so.
QUESTION: We have gone for collective punishment against all of Lebanon and Palestine. And what’s happening — and that’s the perception of the United States.
SNOW: Well, thank you for the Hezbollah view, but I would encourage you…
QUESTION: Nobody’s accepting your explanation. What is it say, to call for…
SNOW: I’ll tell you, what’s interesting is people have. The G-8 was completely united on this. And as you know when it comes to issues of…
QUESTION: Stop the cease-fire? Why?
SNOW: We didn’t stop a cease-fire. Let me continue — I’ll tell you what. We didn’t even veto — please get your facts right. What happened was that the G-8 countries made a pretty clear determination that the guilty party here was Hezbollah. You cannot have a cease- fire when you’ve got the leader of Hezbollah going on his television saying that he perceives total war, he’s declaring total war, when they are firing rockets indiscriminately…(CROSSTALK)
SNOW: Please let me finish. I know this is great entertainment, but I want to finish the answer. The point here is, they’re firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas. The Israelis are responding, as they see fit. You will note, the countries that disagree with the government of Israel in terms of its general approach on Palestine — many of our European allies agree that Israel has the right to defend itself, that the government of Lebanon has the right to control all its territory, that Hezbollah is responsible, and that those who support it also bear responsibility.
There is no daylight between the United States and all the allies on this. They all agree on it. This was not difficult…
QUESTION: That’s not the point. Why did we veto a cease-fire?SNOW: We didn’t veto a cease-fire.
QUESTION: Yes, we did.
SNOW: No, we didn’t. There was no cease-fire.
QUESTION: But wasn’t there a resolution?
SNOW: No.
QUESTION: At the U.N.?
SNOW: No. You know what you’ve done — I see — what happened was that there was conversation about, quote, a cease-fire that was picked up on some of the microphone when some colorful language made its way into the airwaves yesterday.(LAUGHTER)
And the president was continuing a conversation he had had earlier with Prime Minister Tony Blair about staging. Would we like a cease-fire? You bet. Absolutely. We would love to see a cease-fire. But the way you stage it is that you make sure that the people who started this fight, Hezbollah, take their responsibility.
QUESTION: There was no veto at the U.N.?SNOW: No. There hasn’t been a resolution at the V.N. — the U.N., whatever it is. There haven’t been any…(LAUGHTER)
There hasn’t been.(LAUGHTER) I’ve been at (inaudible) in Germany too long. There has been no resolution at the U.N.
Sort Comments By: Top Rated | Date
Stop the cease fire now. Let’s get World War III going already. How else will Haliburton manage to stay in business? How else can we get the price of oil above $100 a barrel. How else are we gonna stop the evil Muslims.
This brain fart brought to you by Fox News and Tony Snow.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:41 pmThe VN? This guy is such an idiot.
He makes McClellan look like a brain surgeon.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:42 pmYouns are either witt us or aginst us, and if youns are agin’ us, you are with the terrarists.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:44 pmWow, I coulda had a VN!
July 18th, 2006 at 2:44 pmJesus, Tony is a moron. Guess birds of a feather do stick together. Dubya was getting tired of being the dumbest guy in the room so they went with Mr. Snow. And if Tony wants a Lebanese citizens point of view on this they could just drop a bomb on him.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:45 pmOr a G8!
July 18th, 2006 at 2:45 pmVN… the spokesman can’t speak, or maybe he’s speaking as his boss?
July 18th, 2006 at 2:45 pmIt’s official. If your thought process strays outside the framework that dictates that US and Israel are always right and always justified in everything that they do, you are part of the problem.
It is not like this is new. “Make a choice. Either your are with us or you are with the terrorists”, remember?
July 18th, 2006 at 2:46 pmSnow has obviously been taking Honesty lessons from Dick Cheney.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:46 pmI’m sorry, Americans, if I offend your sensibilities by making the sweeping generalization statement that you all are murderous nincompoops.
While thousands continue to die at your hands and as the results of your actions (Iraq), your representatives debate Stem Cell research. Not that such research is not an important topic, but rather the debate is so amateurish and so sophomoric that the debate has turned away from science and into about who thinks that they know God better. Unbelievable. More people are dying daily and you have the audacity to be debating your own morality amongst yourselves. Your ignorance is exceeded only by your moral incompetence.
Then you have a heat wave engulfing your entire continent. That’s right, not just one section or region but the whole damned country. When is the last time you remember such an event? But instead of seriously discussing the environment and climate issues, the debate is about who can be the most batsh*t crazy in attempting to debunk the science. Meanwhile your auto manufacturers are still not producing fuel efficient or alternative fuel vehicles and your congress debates where in the world you want to drill for oil next. Although, I do find it curious that your spiritual guru, a Mr. Pat Robertson, has not yet declared that your heat wave is God’s way of “scorching the earth†in retaliation for you even discussing Stem Cell research. I’m sure that is coming.
A new report also came out about how despicably you all are treating your poor. You know, those mostly dark-skinned folks of some flavor that you have no trouble ignoring. The compassion that you show, collectively, is the most accurate measurement of your humanity, ie; zero, zilch, nada. How fortunate for those of you who live in opulence and wallow in your gluttony. You don’t have to worry about your next meal, or if you will have a roof over your head. No, all you have to worry about is how fat you and your children are becoming. Your priorities are so skewed that the “obesity epidemic†is more important in your eyes than your rapidly growing poverty level. How’s New Orleans doing by the way? Not that any of you care, really.
And finally, the Middle East is erupting in violence and bloodshed and you all act surprised and horrified and the number of Jews that are dying or are in fear of death. No one really gives a flying eff about the Lebanese who are being murdered. Nary a one of you even have the insight to put two and two together and see how you have helped to facilitate this process. Have you really forgotten so easily your involvement in getting Syria out of Lebanon? Would the Israelis be so willing to be bombing Lebanon if the Syrians were still there? No, instead you all are talking about how you should get involved and start bombing Syria and Iran and any other dark-skinned persons so as to fulfill your blood lust and inflate your wholly unwarranted self sense of superiority.
So, is it hot enough for you there? Are you going to get up and do something or are you going to continue your descent into Hades all the while complaining about one of your leaders or the other? Just wondering.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:49 pmWasn’t ISRAEL the first to attack Lebanon?? I swear I remember it being reported that Israel struck first…and then Bush started saying the opposite. Now Snow is saying the same.
The V.N. sounds like a Freudian slip to me.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:49 pmThe U.S. and ISrael think they can win this war against the “terroists” because of superior technology and weaponry. However, its the eventual overwhelming man-on-ground strategy that always brings war to succesful conclusions. After, bombing the s**t out of Iran & Syria what military personnel does America have to occupy Damascus & Teheran and bring about regime change? Maybe Snow can send his kid over there to get the job done.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:52 pm#10: You’re assuming that the American people are the ones debating stem cell research, worried about the Israelis over the Lebanese, etc.
Americans and their politicians are not one in the same. We can’t control what they do, as much as others would argue the contrary.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:53 pmTony is not accustomed to discourse with thinking human beings, he is from the FAUX Network which reports talking points from Karl Rove…entirely….Pravda in a NY way.
Tony McSnowjob is worse than the Puffy McMoomface before him.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:54 pmSnow: I know this is great entertainment! …
July 18th, 2006 at 2:54 pmDeplorable!
10# Humanist
July 18th, 2006 at 2:55 pmAbsolututely Brilliant Speech
gone on strut your stuff and write more, well said
#13-socks,
I’m sorry, I was not aware that the Dictatorship Doctrine had passed your congress and replaced your constitution.
Sorry to see that you have given up so easily. Good luck to you on that by the way.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:56 pmUhm, sorry to sound like I’m taking the side of Snow here, but that veto was regarding operations in Gaza, not Lebanon. It seemed pretty clear Helen/Snow were discussing Lebanon and Hezzbullah, not Gaza/Hamas.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:57 pmHow long can they continue to call patriotic Americans the enemy?
The more Israel does (not the least of which is plant spies at the highest ranks of the Pentagon), the more Americans realize the injustice.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:58 pmI don’t think anyone has mentioned this yet but I’m sure Snow Job knows that Helen Thomas is Lebanese and was using that Hezbollah remark as a personal attack on her.
July 18th, 2006 at 2:58 pmIf I was a Hezbollah leader i would pack the rockets with nerve gas and also Anthrax and teach the world that jesuses house is out of bounds for 50 years ,
That would also encourage the Jews to goto america and stay
July 18th, 2006 at 3:01 pmWell, technically Helen was wrong…the U.S. veto in the U.N. was regarding Israel and the Gaza incursion. There hasn’t been a resolution introduced (yet) regarding Israel and Lebanon. But, of course, you can bet your boots that if it WERE introduced, the U.S. would veto it as well. The MSM in the room missed their chance to put Snow on the spot about the Gaza veto.
Humanist…I agree that our “leadership” is doing all that you say, but you are attacking everyone on this board with your rhetoric. Most of us who post here feel just as strongly as you do, and feel equally as helpless.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:01 pmIt is not clear from the reports whether their was an actual resolution which required a vote, or if the US simply blocked the resolution with a threat of veto, but those are just parsing words.
Tony Snow is a great choice for press secretary, because McClellan would have just stood there while Helen Thomas pounded him, but Tony accurately framed Helen’s antics as being pro-Hezbollah, or at least greatly sympathetic to a terrorist organization that controls southern Lebanon and is firing rockets at Israeli cities.
Helen was demanding we get Israel to stop defending itself against these attacks, which is absolutely ridiculous. Lebanon claims it has no ability to disarm Hezbollah within its own borders per a UN resolution, so Israel is justified by the UN resolution to defend themselves and disarm Hezbollah themselves.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:02 pmHumanist
If our country is so bad, why are people like you bursting to get in? Oh, it gets hot in the summer time here. Do you guys get snow in the summer? Below freezing temps? I forgot, everytime you get on TP you refuse to answer questions. That’s okay, I didn’t really want to here your crazy rambling anyway. “Peace be unto you” or however you say it.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:03 pmThat’s a pretty petty thing for Tony Snow to say to Helen Thomas. She had a valid question, and Tony mocked her rather than answering the question.
How ironic that he would say “get your facts straight”.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:03 pmIsrael Violates US Law With Attack on Lebanon
READ MORE
“Section 4 of the [U.S.] Arms Export Control Act requires that military items transferred to foreign governments by the United States be used solely for internal security and legitimate self-defense,” says Stephen Zunes, professor of politics at the University of San Francisco.
“Since Israeli attacks against Lebanon’s civilian infrastructure and population centers clearly go beyond legitimate self-defense, the United States is legally obliged to suspend arms transfers to Israel,” Zunes told IPS.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:03 pm# 10, Humanist,
Very compelling. Absolutely true.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:03 pmAlthough I am not an American, I would hope you are not speaking to a majority as this would call for a loss cause and I believe Americans will pull it together by November.
#24-Jim,
You’re right, they were all “non” issues and you Americans are the most perfectest things to ever grace the planet. I suspect that if you whistle the right tune that you could probably adequately occupy your mind so as to completely ignore all of the issues. Whistle away there einstein.
May peace be with us all.
(amazing how you couldn’t even get that right jimbo.)
July 18th, 2006 at 3:07 pmLOL!!! Get her, Tony! She should be tried and executed for treason.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:08 pmUhm, sorry #11, but Hezbollah invaded Israel’s sovereignty by lobbing bombs into Israel which was simply a diversion while they actually went into Israel and killed 3 Israeli soldiers and kidnapped two (after lobbing shells into Israel for over a year). Everyone simply glosses over this fact. If Al quaeda were lobbing shells into the US from the Canadian border, what do you think our response would be and don’t you think the Canadians would kick al quaeda’s ass for doing that? Lebanon was told to do something about Hezbollah basically setting up a state within Lebanon and the government did nothing. Instead of screaming about Israel’s response, tell me, what is Israel supposed to do? Just sit on its hands and let Hezbollah shell it?
July 18th, 2006 at 3:09 pmWatching Tony squirm like this reminded me of Stephen Colbert’s audition tape for Press Secretary, when he implored the rest of the press to “please don’t let Helen do this to what was a lovely day.” ^_^
July 18th, 2006 at 3:09 pm#27-Marley,
What’s compelling is not that I am speaking the truth, but rather that Americans are choosing to ignore it at all costs.
As for the “Wait for November” thing, which “November” are you talking about 2004 or 2006? The world fell for it in 2004. Don’t expect them to be as nuckleheaded as the Americans and fall for it again in 2006.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:11 pmComment by maxmom
You ignore the fact isreal has been conducting terrorism none stop since the 1940s
July 18th, 2006 at 3:11 pmSnow forgets he’s not at Faux Snooze any more. He doesn’t just get to make up “facts” any more….
Cheers,
July 18th, 2006 at 3:11 pmAmericans may pull it together by November…but it won’t make a hill of beans difference.
The election results have already been determined.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:12 pmDear HUMANIST:
July 18th, 2006 at 3:13 pmYou are clearly the brain donor in this situation. To assume all Americans support Isreal or this travesty against humanity is akin to believing all Arabs are terrorists, or all Jews are by thier very nature more valuable than any Palestinian. Rather than preaching to the choir, why don’t you preach to Fox news or CNN or some other such network propaganda machine. Not only are your comments offensive and mildly moronic, you seem to think the whole world backs you in your blanket hatred of Americans.
There are tens of thousands of Lebonese who do not in any way shape or form ssupport Hizbollah, and I am sure that the majority of civilians murdered by Isreal in the past week were not among Hizbollah supports (particularly since the were mostly children).
There are thousands of Palestinians and Isrealis who want a peaceful solution to the endless blood.
I have just witnessed my best friends nation and city get obliterated, her people villianized and her hope for future destroyed. She was actually planning on moving back to Beruit. Now there is no more Beruit to move to.
So, HUMANIST, I suggest you reasses your idiotic veiw of Americans, and instead, try to build support among the MILLIONS of Americans who do not support this new war, the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war or the so-called ‘war on terror’ which is really just a war on Muslims.
Get your facts straight, idiot.
The Isrealis have been killing Palestinians for 18 months nealry every day with thier American helicopter gunships
The palestinians Have had a cease fire for 18 months
July 18th, 2006 at 3:15 pmHumanist
You know what, it got so hot this past weekend, MY DAMN SKIN CHANGED COLOR IN THE SUN!!!!! Freaked me out man. Peace be unto you my fellow earthling brother dude or whatever you guys say.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:16 pm13# “We can’t control what they do”
YES YOU CAN!!! VOTE THEM OUT OF THEIR COMFORTABLE REPUBLICAN SEATS!!!
July 18th, 2006 at 3:16 pmJust sit on its hands and let Hezbollah shell it?
Comment by maxmom
Nope. They should remove ALL settlements THIS YEAR. Release all the innocent arabs they have in prison… not the killers… just the regular dads,moms, and children. And THEN go to the UN and push for a peace treaty with all the ME states that includes putting Jerusalem and the Israeli nukes on the table.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:17 pmi listened to Rabbi Michael Lerner on al franken earlier…
July 18th, 2006 at 3:21 pmanother viewpoint… i learned alot… more at his website:
http://www.tikkun.org/
#36-Matthew,
Thank you for your well thought out response.
My point was simple and I figured that most of you would understand it. I illustrate how you Americans choose to ignore reality and the truth and instead occupy your collective minds with senseless matters. It is a chosen ignorance, there is no doubt.
You can go ahead and call me an idiot, by the way, and I will not be offended. You show your frustration, and that’s fine. But you bark at me and do nothing about your country. I think that if you were to look up the definition of “idiot”, you might see something recognizable.
Lastly, I want to address just one statement that you made:
So, HUMANIST, I suggest you reasses your idiotic veiw of Americans, and instead, try to build support among the MILLIONS of Americans who do not support this new war, the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war or the so-called ‘war on terror’ which is really just a war on Muslims.
Get your facts straight, idiot.
Your country cannot start wars fast enough and is wanting to kill and murder more people and you want me to not speak the truth and instead focus on gaining the support of the MILLIONS of people who are accomplishing nothing. Interesting logic, I see now how you all have fallen so fast.
May peace prevail.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:22 pm“You ignore the fact isreal has been conducting terrorism none stop since the 1940s”
Gerald, it’s not just maxmom that ignores these facts. Israel abducted two people the day before the first soldier was kidnapped but the rulers of the world don’t care for you to know this. Some dipshits will say that I support Hezbollah simply because of pointing out the fact that Isreal is no angel in the middle east. There is no “right” in the middle east, there is only “wrong”. I am tired of being told that I should feel sorry for the Jews in Israel.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:23 pmYES YOU CAN!!! VOTE THEM OUT OF THEIR COMFORTABLE REPUBLICAN SEATS!!!
If it’s a “Republican” seat, how do you vote Republicans out of them?
July 18th, 2006 at 3:23 pmWatching the left squirm over their support for terror sponsoring nations is so much fun.
The sheer fact that liberals will not condemn these rogue nations is worth a few senate seats. You don’t have the moral clarity to be trusted with national security. You will lose.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:24 pmI am tired of being told that I should feel sorry for the Jews in Israel.
Me too!
Israel is as much a part of the problem in the Middle East as the rest of them.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:24 pm#40 - yeah, because that’s worked before.
I am sickened by the left’s anti-Israel rhetoric. I can’t wait to strangle you with it in November.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:25 pmTony McSnowjob made a real snotty comment to Helen Thomas there. He doesn’t know the facts of anything, what he knows is, Helen is elderly, of Lebanese descent and will always ask the devil’s advocate question. That puts her head and shoulders above him and anybody else of his ilk. When a real journalist comes up agaisnt a snotty faker the results aren’t pretty are they?
For “Humanist” You don’t sound very humanistic. We are not the Congress or the President, we are private citizens wo care about our country. The Middle East can consume all of us every day, but JUST LAST WEEK the most immediate concern was North Korea! And yes, we do debate life and death issues other than international politics. Stem cell research (so-called) is an issue because the Republican faithful make it so. That is a political challenge that has to be met.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:26 pmWatching the left squirm over their support for terror sponsoring nations is so much fun.
Watching the “right” support the terrorism of the United States makes me want to vomit.
But at least one of us is having “fun”.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:26 pmwhat nobody has realised by moving the christians to other countries Lebanon has become a Muslim state, The Christians will not back in,
July 18th, 2006 at 3:27 pmOnce WW111 starts Isreal will get the shit bombs out of it and be inhabital for hundreds of years and the Arabs got what they wanted
#46 - thank you, thank you!!! Please continue to expose the left’s hatred for Israel - America’s true ally in the world. I will wrap that around your neck come vote time. I wish we could force people like you to live in Iran and Syria since you obviously hate democracy.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:27 pm#49 - PIG. GTFO if you hate it so much. You’re not wanted here anyway.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:28 pmI can’t wait to strangle you with it in November.
Why is it that those on the “right” can’t wait to resort to violence?
July 18th, 2006 at 3:28 pm“Thank you for the Hezbollah view.”
Oh. My. God.
I don’t care if Helen Thomas was technically correct or not, Snowflake doesn’t have the right to say that to her.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:29 pmI wish we could force people like you to live in Iran and Syria since you obviously hate democracy.
I wish I could force people like you to live in IRaq, since you obviously love “democracy” so much.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:29 pm#55 - I’d rather live there than in Iran or Syria, dipshit.
AND I love America and support the WOT so leaving is not necessary. You obviously don’t so please leave. Otherwise, you are a hypocrite.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:30 pmMarley:
Believe us, we’ve been trying. The problem is the neocons have been stealing elections since 2000.
The solution I’m advocating is to insure that opponents of the Bush regime turn out in overwhelming numbers this November, so as to make another election theft as blatantly obvious as possible, by insuring the maximum amount of skew between the exit poll numbers (until 2000, a nearly perfect predictor of elections) and the election results.
Faced with this, the neocons will have two options: either back off and let truth and justice carry the day, or cheat even harder to steal the election. If they choose the former, we’ll have a Democrat-controlled Congress, which (hopefully) will institute impeachment proceedings immediately. If they choose the second, they will have sent a clear message to the American people that the ballot box is no longer a valid mechanism for political change in this country, and patriotic Americans will be left only with the option of the bullet box.
Either way, November promises to be interesting.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:31 pm#54 - OH YES HE DOES. You will silence the right when left-wing attack dogs like Helen go sympathizing with our enemies. YOU WILL NOT SILENCE US.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:31 pmSuck the Baby’s Skull Out
I am trying to understand if your choice of screenname is trying to vaguely get the point across on your view of abortion or if this is what happened to you and made you so bonkers.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#48-J.Lee,
Every day more people die at your hands. I’m asking what is really just a very simple question: When are you going to stop it? Why you all choose to not answer that question is a reflection upon you, not upon me.
And, please read your Constitution. You have a democracy based upon elected REPRESENTATION. Your government is “of”, “for”, and “BY” the people. Are these concepts foreign to you? I’m aghast at having to explain your own government to you.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:33 pmGTFO if you hate it so much. You’re not wanted here anyway.
Your support for the terrorism being initiated by the United States is what makes me want to vomit….and it makes me want to vomit for the very reason that I love my country so much. It sickens me what is being done in this world in the name of my country. It sickens me that people like you have no respect for human life…you only have respect for the unborn…and even then it isn’t respect…it’s just political fodder for your foolishness.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:33 pmAs well as the Marines lowering their entry standard
July 18th, 2006 at 3:34 pmI can see the trolls in here have just left shool and got a job in some goverment spin agency
I love abortion and pray that liberals keep having them. Eventually, you will exterminate yourselves which is the perfect punishment for your crimes against America.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:34 pmTo Hezbollah
When the American warships come to pick up their civilians
please bomb them with 100 rockets
As it is actually their fault
Thank you
July 18th, 2006 at 3:39 pmSuck the Baby’s Skull Out my guess is this is ol’ ann coulter herself.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:40 pm“No. There hasn’t been a resolution at the V.N. — the U.N., whatever it is.â€
This says it all.
Don’t expect the man to follow or know what the UN does if he doesn’t even know the organisation’s two-letter acronym.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:40 pmSuck
July 18th, 2006 at 3:41 pmSo, when did you become a god and can tell that progressives don’t love America. As a parent I lovingly chastised and corrected my child who engaged in behavior that I did not approve. Similarly I lovingly chastise and correct my country when it engages in behavior that I do not approve. Many of us progressives believe that the Bush administration with its policies and procedures is against American values as indicated by our Constitution, laws, and rulings by the Supreme Court. Your “love it or leave it” mantra is not only old, it was and is an idiotic paradigm. It would be un-American and not patriotic for us to be silenced in trying to correct and chasitise the direction our country is going. I could easily suggest that you, since you seem to approve of the attack on the Constitution and laws of our country, should be the one to leave. Rather, I welcome you to stay and become familiar with our history and traditions so you can become a true American.
- Suck the Baby’s Skull Out:
You know, STBSO, an argument is like a sandwich….the points you’re making are the meat, and the mindless insults are the spice.
A little spice serves to accentuate the flavor of the meat and makes for a more enjoyable sandwich. But only a complete moron would try to make a sandwich out of nothing but spice.
In the future, please include a little meat in your sandwiches. Kthx.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:41 pm#64-Time,
What an absolutely horrible thing to say or even think. How have so many of you lost all your respect for the sanctity of human life?
It is beyond belief.
May peace be with us all.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:42 pmHelen is an idiot. So is Faiz. There is no resolution calling for ceasefire regarding the current Mideast conflict that has been voted on by the security council.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:42 pmhttp://www.un.org/ Docs/ sc/ unsc_resolutions06.htm
has there been a U.N. resolution on this latest attack on Lebanon or not? It would surprise me that the aggression has gone on this long without one. Thinkprogess seems to be mixing up a resolution regarding the Gaza Strip/Isreal. If there has not been a resolution proposed regarding this latest violence, I’m sure there will be soon.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:46 pmHey Humanist;
Noting your smug contempt for all things American, I again postulate that your inane bigotry is misplaced. You ask what are we doing about it? Take a goddamn look! We argue with strangers, we argue with neighors and we argue with friends until we are blue in the face as we try to make them see what is happening to this nation, and by association, to every other soul on this planet. If you are advocating an armed insurrection quit beating around the bush and just fuicking say it. Otherwise, stuff your oblique and specious arrogance. Even better, why don’t you get off your own ass and tell us what the hell you’re doing to effect change? Apart from spewing pendantic inanities, which any comforted toad can do, let’s hear what the great Humanist is doing to make the world a better place.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:46 pmFaiz, I thought you would appreciate Tony Snows’ recognition that the Hezbollah point of view re: the latest Israeli responses to terrorist attacks was ably represented by Hezbollah Helen herself. (But I’m sure Helen was simply concerned for relatives and friends along the Lebanese/Israeli border.)
#10 - Humanist (AKA: More musings from our favourite over the pond critic.) “I’m sorry, Americans, if I offend your sensibilities by making the sweeping generalization statement that you all are murderous nincompoops.”
******No offense, taken. I would be very upset if a smug, self-laudatory type such as yourself thought kindly of Americans. (I do recognize your affection for an odd-breed of “Americans” - the self-loathing type. Unfortunately, that is often the result of laziness and envy OR, at the other extreme, spoiled and lazy.)
And to really keep the topic of Hezbollah Helen and the Mid-East mess moving along, Humanist contributes an “interesting” paragraph on global warming - as IF there were anything HUMANS could do to turn the tide of natural climate changes - which I assume you know, have occurred for millions of years. Ahh, the ARROGANCE and IGNORANCE of some….Not to appear completely unhinged, our secular friend rails against the impoverished here in gluttonous America. The fact that he forgot to mention the $10 TRILLION spent on the poor can only be blamed on faulty research and NOT on selecting information tailored to Humanist finely honed point of view. (I wouldn’t want FACTS to intrude on his pre-suppositions.)
And then Humanist attempts to drive the cart back onto the track by mentioning that Israel wouldn’t go after Hezbollah if they were still occupied by Syria. You appear to think Israel acted dis-proportionately - not surprisingly, I disagree. I feel badly that innocent Lebanese have been held hostage by the rogue terrorists of Hezbollah, but I do wish you would show evidence of contemporary warfare which has not suffered unfortunate civilian casualties.
But never fear, if the good die young, Hezbollah Helen will be around another one or two hundred years to give the terrorist spin on the days events….
Back to work….
July 18th, 2006 at 3:49 pmi find it hard to believe that any one would want to address someone who choses such a screen name… too bad those responding gave it any kind of “life” here…
July 18th, 2006 at 3:50 pmjust sayin’
Where are you from humanist? I don’t see the world crawling over themselves to solve those problems you so nicely laid out for us Americans. I was too busy wiping the foam of my latte from my nose to notice I was holding a hairdryer over my garden contributing to global warming. That is what global warming is, right? Yeah, yeah, we’re protectors, guardians, etc. because we have all of the money. At the same time, the inferiority complex of the world constantly looking over our shoulder telling us WE need to conjure up some witches brew to solve the ills of the natural order of the industrial world (of which started in Europe, you prick) gets a little old to deal with sometimes. You and the rest of the charitable world need to get over yourselves. You’re doing just about as much to solve the problem.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:52 pmYOU NEED TO READ THIS:
Franks Luntz’s handbook for the GOP- How to frame going to war to the public in a post 9/11 America…
COMMUNICATING THE
PRINCIPLES OF PREVENTION & PROTECTION
IN THE WAR ON TERROR
from therandirhodesshow.com
July 18th, 2006 at 3:54 pm#64 - “To HezbollahWhen the American warships come to pick up their civilians please bomb them with 100 rockets As it is actually their fault
Thank you” Comment by Time Capsule
*******It is SO refreshing to see the type of human debris who embrace progressive views….and if you live in Europe - a simple “thank you” will do…
’til later….
July 18th, 2006 at 3:54 pm#73 - that’s the best Colbertesque faux-right wing parody I’ve seen in a long time. Keep it up.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:55 pmIs it OK to abstain on the entire question of responsibiilty or what to do next in Israel and simply say that a government official should not compare journalists to terrorists while on the job?
SBSO: Congratuatlions. You earned your trolling merit badge today.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:55 pm#75 Humanist can’t give you any reasons, he’s too busy posting under other names commenting on his own posts in comments sections of blogs to be able to do anything other than type.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:55 pm“COMMUNITATING” now… not “DOING SOMETHING ABOUT”…
July 18th, 2006 at 3:56 pm#72-Martin,
I hate murder and killing. I hate gluttony in the face of poverty. I hate intolerance. I hate racism. I hate greed. If these things are all that “America†is about, then yes I hate all things American. Fortunately, I know that to not be the case. It is odd that you do not.
Now, you claim your chosen action to be to argue with everyone. Perhaps you need to actually “do†something. Especially since that “arguing†thing is not producing results.
And, no, I do not advocate an armed revolt (or any violence for that matter). If you cannot figure out non-violent ways to solve your problems, then you are already stuck in the very mindset that you claim to be against. Think about that for a few minutes please.
Peace.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:57 pmThere is no resolution calling for ceasefire regarding the current Mideast conflict that has been voted on by the security council.
Comment by Glen Frenkle — July 18, 2006 @ 3:42 pm
Here is the link to the full text of the resolution: United States Vetoes Security Council Draft Resolution on Events in Gaza, on the UN’s own web site.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:57 pmBAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — More than 14,000 civilians have been killed in Iraq in the first half of this year, an ominous figure reflecting the fact that “killings, kidnappings and torture remain widespread” in the war-torn country, a United Nations report says.
Thank You For the Hezbollah View on American terrorism
July 18th, 2006 at 3:57 pmAlso, here is a comprehensive list of U.S. Vetoes of UN Resolutions Critical of Israel, courtesy of the non-profit Jewish Virtual Library.
This list includes the latest US veto.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:58 pmZooey, have you noticed how many of the trolls and roaches that post for the reich winged are spewing violance.? Many have even taken screen names that are offensive..
CNN has been running a few true clips from the Lebanon side that show how hard they have been hit and verify by the local citizenry Israel is up to it’s old tricks. Lie and bomb, much like bullshit bush does…… Blessings,Peace.
July 18th, 2006 at 3:59 pmHumanist,
I take it your not from around here. It’s ironic how when the rest of the world has a problem or needs a handout they always end up on our door step. The beautiful thing about America is that we made it. Its not perfect, but through history, I am not familiar with any country that was. We have all had our share of colonialization, wars, and horrorifing governments over time. However, given the history of the world over the last 100 years, chances are that America bailed your ass out of some mess during that time. So, I would think there would be a little more respect as there are enough problems right now that trading insults is truely a waste of time and intellect.
If you are not from America, I have to ask what your perfect country is doing to correct the Middle East mess? Sending food? money? arms? more than likely none of the above. Here is the type of answer that I would expect: A friend of mine was in a bar in an un-named European country during the Boznian war. A local asked him, “what are you Yanks going to do to settle Boznia”. My friend gave him the only answer possible, “it’s your backyard, what are you going to do”.
Finally, if you visit this site regularly you know that we liberals hate to death conservatives and despise moderates as having no backbone at all. However, we are all Americans, we have earned the right to insult each other, because we have to live here with the consequences. You have no skin in the game so save your critique for your own countrymen in your perfect country.
July 18th, 2006 at 4:01 pm[…] Think Progress has te full transcript and a video as well: […]
July 18th, 2006 at 4:03 pmTo Humanist:
Man, you just can’t help from emitting worthless contempt, can you? I ask you what you’re doing and you suggest I am trapped by some ethereal thought process that keeps my wheels spinning. You still haven’t said word one about what you are doing to help. Instead, you come on here and attack as ignorant, naive and ineffectual the very people who are trying to change this nation’s course for the betterment of all living things. I try to understand what kind of person would sit so high in their own self-esteem and I wonder what your motives might be to say on the one hand that we must do something and then on the other thaty nothing we do will help. What I end up with is a mind engaged in ping-pong devil’s advocacy, the kind of person who argues just for the sake of arguing.
Can’t you answer my question with a concrete example of what you’re doing to help? Saying that you love all of humankind is not an action. It’s merely a state of mind and state of mind cannot change our state of existence. What ACTION are you taking, Humanist, other than belittling everything we are trying to do to concretely change the world for the better?
July 18th, 2006 at 4:12 pm#87-David,
Yet another person who ignores the truth and then attempts to discredit the truth by pointing out how perfect and wonderful Americans are. Ignorance is bliss, my friend, and you are about as bliss as a person can be.
And, gee, what nice and trendy use of terminology “skin in the game”. So, I guess because no Iraqis come to your family reunions that their lives mean less. Lovely. Also, I guess that my nephew who went to and returned from Iraq would probably be considered “skin” in your vocabulary. Or my nephew who is on his way to the region right now. How cavalier you are in regard to who “counts” in humanity. I just wonder how you sleep at night, but then that bliss thing comes to mind.
May peace (and not bliss) be with us all.
July 18th, 2006 at 4:12 pm#32- Humanist said:
“What’s compelling is not that I am speaking the truth, but rather that Americans are choosing to ignore it at all costs.”
That is exactly it! Your truth is your p.o.v.
Where does truth lie? Under the rugs in the White House.
What I mean by November is November 2006 where the strong possibility of having a Democratic majority is imminent… unless Diebold wins again although I highly doubt Americans will let this happen again.
This current extremely dangerous Bushco/fascists/extremists can hopefully dissipate at least in the “White House Policy Making World” and Americans can hopefully go back to enjoying being liked by the rest of the World. My p.ov.is that it is difficult for the rest of the World to understand this disturbing complacent attitude of Americans in general after all the lies and scandals have uncovered, in parts I might add… It is mind boggling to see the mass media circus trying to juggle the government talking points and lies… and no one seem to be able to speak UP!
That is why it very important to vote the Republican majority out of office in 06 to uncover more truth, recover peace, heal the wounded and really mourn the dead.
I love America. I love Americans and the main thread in the fabric that used to hold Americans together: Freedom, Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Press.
Sadly, the main thread in the fabric that holds America and its government together at this time has been wearing really thin because of Bushco’s weaving of deadly convictions and terrible corruptions.
No one should blame Americans. The more important truth is Americans have been fooled, once, twice but hopefully not three times.
Bush is speaking about terrorists attacking democratic countries right now on CNN.
July 18th, 2006 at 4:19 pmHe and his puppeteers are the real terrorists. They started all the conflicts with their own agendas of oil profits!!! Vote them out of their seats. The root cause if the problem is Bushco.
Humanist #10 & #13 - I thank you.
We do not have our priorities straight.
We dislike where our government is headed and conducting business in our name.
Even those of us who see more clearly than others are not concrete in our thoughts and resolved.
Americans as a whole haven’t truly suffered directly enough by this government for citizens to take up action as a whole.
Media, government and apologists still controls the medium of power and influence and makes it difficult to single or even small group to make changes.
There are some who are trying in small way. Valerie and Joe Wilson is suing Bush Adminstration. Patrick Kenedy is suing Diebold. There are other small little actions taking place. I hope we can change as a whole in the near future before it’s too late. In the meantime, countless people will die and suffer unfortunately. I wish it could be faster. But any faster, US may become unstable and we may see new set of problems that may be even more dangerous to the world.
Time and willingness to continue to fight. We still need world support to carry out changes. It may be difficult at times to forgive us. We will not giveup our country just yet.
July 18th, 2006 at 4:23 pm85# that is a wonderful list of Soul Vetos by America in the UN Resolutions Critical of Israel
the Soul Vetoer ” that list sums up Humanists views alone”
‘Lebanon crisis an international conspiracy’
READ MORE
July 18th, 2006 at 4:24 pm#64 and point those rockets at NY, Chicago & LA to wakeup the stupid sleepwalking amerikans
July 18th, 2006 at 4:26 pmTony Snow is an absolute, arrogant flippin loser!!!!!!!! Let’s bring back Scottie! At least he didn’t act like a jerk and think he was so funny! This guy is not funny-I don’t know why the White House press corps laughs at his stupid jokes and comments!!!!
July 18th, 2006 at 4:27 pm#91-Marley,
I have offered no points of view, only facts and truths. Let’s see if you can follow this example: Many Iraqis are dead. The Iraqis were innocent and not an immediate threat. The people who killed them did so murderously. The murderers were Americans.
Now, dispute that truth if you can but do not be so asinine as to claim that I am just offering up my POV. You disrespect Iraqis and all humanity with your blasé attitude.
And I see that you are another one who has not read or studied your own Constitution. I know this because you say that “No one should blame Americans” and then you go on to suggest that bush and the government should be blamed. Dolt. Your government is “of”, “for”, and “by” the people. You, the people, are the boss. You, the people, are where the buck stops. Why do you insist upon ignoring your own accountability? And, don’t you see that it is because you refuse to accept responsibility that this insanity continues?
Please, wake up.
Peace.
July 18th, 2006 at 4:37 pm[…] White House Press Secretary Tony Snow accused Helen Thomas of representing “the Hezbollah view.†[…]
July 18th, 2006 at 4:39 pmTony Snow rocks!!!
July 18th, 2006 at 4:40 pmWhat a butthole.
socks4dobby - Israel always starts it. #30 mom - Nobody’s glossing anything over. That’s the official story, that Israel is retaliating for the kidnapping and “murder”. (Israel is always retaliating.) We don’t know the whole story. To Palestinians, Israel is an interloper. The Israeli army enforces what Palestinians see as an extended occupation. Even our Arab pals in Qatar are calling for Israel to chill out.
You just know something happened before the official story begins.
I’m really sick of the childishly unrealistic view that Israel is by definition innocent. How many houses have been blown up by their government? How many stone-throwing 12-year-olds have been shot?
July 18th, 2006 at 4:40 pm#44, MNW If it’s a “Republican†seat, how do you vote Republicans out of them?
This was a figure of speech. Not a literal comment.
July 18th, 2006 at 4:43 pmI know clarity can suffer from using figure of speech… did not mean to be so literal.
96 # Yes exactly lets tar them all with the same brush,
July 18th, 2006 at 4:44 pm#57, TripMaster Monkey.
I completely agree with you. It is so unfortunate but please believe as I believe justice will prevail.
July 18th, 2006 at 4:48 pm#99-Massachusetts,
You see the light that so many of your fellow commenters do not: Heritage does not preemptively absolve you of your sins. Jews have been persecuted and mistreated. But that does not give them license to kill and murder.
Yet, and this one will hurt, the United States of America exists due to the honorable acts by many and the honorable structure of your government. However, that honor is not hereditary. Just because you are an American does not make you honorable. There are too many examples in current events to list that display the lack of honor that many Americans are operating under. You preach to the world from the shoulders of your founding fathers, all the while dishonoring them and your nation’s history. But you claim innocence based upon the sole fact that you are “Americans”. You are betraying all that your ancestors have fought and died for, that is the unpleasant truth that so many choose to ignore.
May peace be with us all.
July 18th, 2006 at 4:51 pmHey cheryl:
The WHPC is not laughing at Snow’s joke’s they are laughing at Helen Thomas.
July 18th, 2006 at 4:52 pmThe WC press corps has a “Helen problem just like the house Dem’s have a “Nancy†problem except in Helen’s case there is no excuse, she should know better.
I love it when certain people get on here and pretend to be from another country. I really makes me laugh.
July 18th, 2006 at 4:53 pmJim,
Yeah, that ‘Seixon’ guy really cracks me up too.
July 18th, 2006 at 4:57 pmTo “Humanist”
July 18th, 2006 at 5:04 pmThere are many U.S. citizens that cannot understand the fighting,and killing innocents, over a desolate piece of sand in the middle east.!
Why don’t you go some place where you are wanted and welcomed???
Sincerely and with all my heart , I wish
‘Peace ON You’
As the old saying goes, we can argue and call each other liberal, conservative or moderate. Really get mad at one another. Get down right nasty sometimes. But when someone from “another country” does it to one of us, F#*k THEM!!!!!!!!!
July 18th, 2006 at 5:05 pmthe inferiority complex of the world constantly looking over our shoulder telling us WE need to conjure up some witches brew to solve the ills of the natural order of the industrial world (of which started in Europe, you prick)
July 18th, 2006 at 5:08 pmComment by Puppykicker — July 18, 2006 @ 3:52 pm
You have all the money because you have stolen it since 1800´s. Read some Latinamerican economical history. WE have no inferiority complex. YOU HAVE IT, thats why you are afraid of everybody: russians, muslims, ufos, mexicans, whatever…We dont want you to solve anything. You are incapable of solving anything, have you noticed? (OH, what? WWII? Russians won that war, you just dropped two nukes over japanese civilian population. Bosnia? You mean the thousands of ethnical cleansing that you were supposed to stop, but contributed to it, and then promote divisions?)
We are not asking you anything, we never did. Just mind your own damn bussiness within your borders, plunderer.
TripMaster Monkey
Your #57 comments, your right about this upcoming election. It’s going to very interesting. But when the smoke clears, I don’t the senate or the house will change hands. The big boy is 08. Everything is up for grabs then.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:09 pmGolly, I actually agree with Humanist’s #109 post. No baby is born inherently honorable and this is true of every corner of the planet. Environment, upbringing and genetic blessings can create a truly honorable person. In the U.S. we are attacked by fellow Americans for pointing out the sordid episodes in our past and present. They love to think America can do no wrong. That’s pure and dengerous bullshit. Even our founding documents relegated blacks to less than full humanity. That was a moment of dishonor in an otherwise beneficial document. Even our shining moment, World War II, had its moments of dishonor. We did not bomb the railways leading to the concen tration camps evben though we knew millions were being slaughtered. Nothing we do is ever purely good or purely bad. It’s the trend toward one side or the other that rouses us to act. We are trying so damn hard and if those outside the U.S. don’t accept this then they are dishonorable themselves. They dishonor the sacrifices and risk we take to effect the very change they purport to wish. Saying we are doing nothing is just a lie easily disproven. If outsiders continue to sneer that we are twiddling our thumbs in apathy then they themselves are no fairer or honest than the cretins in the U.S. causing so much worldwide grief.
Israel is not a perfect state yet neither is Palestine. Are all palestinians saintly martyrs? No. There is both good and bad in Palestinian hearts. Same for Israelis. Extremism on both sides has the unfortunate fallout of hurting those who truly want peace. Destruction is always easier than construction. Still, the Arab “brothers” of the palestinians have for decades been perfectly willing to use the Palestinians as pawns in their own battle against Israel’s existence. Maybe if Palestinians start putting Israel on their maps and maybe if they publicly stick with the fact that Israel has a right to exist then maybe peace can move forward. That will, at minimum, put the peace onus back on Israel. For now, what can we expect Israel to do when its neighbors keep suggesting Israel and the Jews must be wiped from the face of the earth? Much like the U.S., those moderates in the middle east find that they have no voice or ability to effect change. But change has to start somewhere and all the blame cannot be put on Israel, unless of course you’re just an anti-semite. Palestine has to get Hamas and Hezbollah out of their governance. They have to stop being used by their Arab “friends.” They have to forge a national identity. They have to take control of their own fate and they must do so without the agenda of wiping Israel off the map.
Peace is not a natural state of affairs. It must be grasped and once held, it must be nurtured. They only way it lasts is when people recognize their shared humanity. At any rate, when extremists rise to power, as they have ion the U.S., it always encourages the rise of extremists everywhere else.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:09 pm#105-107 are perfect examples of the truth I exposed in the first paragraph of my first comment (I believe #10), murderous nincompoops.
Attack truth and acquiesce to deception. An odd plan, I must say, but it seems to be popular amongst American “intelligentsia”. Humanity deserves much better and, as has always been the case, humanity will prevail. The only question is cost.
May peace be with us all.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:12 pmBut when someone from “another country†does it to one of us, F#*k THEM!!!!!!!!!
July 18th, 2006 at 5:13 pmComment by COMMENT BY JIM — July 18, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
Nothing but a shitty life waits for you and your xenophobia. Ignorant asshole.
#96- Humanist, “Please, wake up”
Please wake up? You should wake up and realize we have been cheated out of 2 elections by Bush and Co. “We the people” does not apply any longer in America.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:13 pmDid you ever hear of Diebold? Just google it.
Hey #112, how hot is it in Michigan today? Or are you from Illinois? You crack me up, your whole little act. What a joke:) I’m laughing right now………. Oh I forgot…..
Peace be upon you my fellow flowers from the sea, or how ever you say it….
July 18th, 2006 at 5:16 pmStill waiting for Humanist to list all the fabulously positive actions he has taken to bring peace to planet earth.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:18 pm#111-Martin,
I applaud the truths that you speak and that you intelligently walk through some very specific examples.
Although I will have to dispute one thing, that being that “Peace” is not the natural state of things. Actually, it is. War and violence are the aberrations ie; they have to be waged and maintained.
May peace prevail.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:19 pmI’m really sick of the childishly unrealistic view that Israel is by definition innocent. How many houses have been blown up by their government? How many stone-throwing 12-year-olds have been shot?
Comment by Massachusetts Lilberal
More often I see that that Palestinians are by definition innocent. How many rockets did they fire at Israel during the cease fire? Is throwing rocks an act of violence, or merely protest? If Israelis threw rocks at the 12 year olds would that be okay? And yes, each side can point to a previous event. At some point you have to draw a cease fire line, which is inevitably broken by some rogue group with a home made rocket or Ak-47.
The violence needs to stop on both sides, not one side. Both sides.
Or maybe I just have an allergic reaction to people whose battle cry is “God is Great” — reminds me too much of the evangelicals trying to curb our freedom here at home.
Theocracy is NOT a good thing.
Also, Sun Tzu said you should know your enemy. The neocons brag about reading Sun Tzu, but don’t actually follow his advice.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:20 pm#114-Marley,
I’m sorry that you have given up. I hope that works out for you.
Peace.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:21 pmWhen you’re done dog-earring Being and Nothingness, finished listening to Shakti while realigning your chi, Humanist, perhaps you can bless us with a statement of action? Just show us the way, oh enlightened one, by TELLING us what ACTIONS need to be taken according to this imperial pseudo-genius of yours that somehow grasps the form and scope of eternal, cosmic truth. Saying you are for peace is pure pap if you have no idea how to make peace happen. Mirror check time! What do you see? A blowhard spouting criticisms about the woeful state of the world devoid of productive alternatives. Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah…
July 18th, 2006 at 5:27 pmHelen has nothing to worry about…
…she’ll STILL outlive that lying, TREASONOUS demon (Tony Snowjob)…
…I see chemo in his future…
…again…
July 18th, 2006 at 5:27 pm[…] The irrational disconnect doesn’t stop there, and in fact, WH Spokesman Tony Snow completely disgraced himself and the white house in an exchange with Helen Thomas this morning. After incorrectly claiming the U.S. didn’t “veto” a statement regarding “Gaza” at the Middle East at the U.N. or as Snow called it: “…the V.N. — the U.N., whatever it is,” he went ahead and belittled the reknown Bush-critic Thomas by adding, “Well, thank you for the Hezbollah view.” Watch Now: Tony Snow Bashes Helen Thomas [2:43m]: Play Now | Play in Popup document.getElementById(’podPressPlayerSpace_397_label_videoPlayer_397_0′).innerHTML=’Hide Player’; document.getElementById(’podPressPlayerSpace_397′).title = ‘videoPlayer_397_0′;These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. […]
July 18th, 2006 at 5:28 pmWhen the Family that was Killed on the Beach in Palestine a month or so ago by Israel accidentially “shooting” whatever it was they said they Did’nt do it but then after being proved it was there ordinance. and then said it was an accident I knew all Hell would break loose well Hell is here and now those in the middle east will hate this country more than they already do guess George and his neocons new what to do all you had to do is listen to Crazy John McCain ‘guess rove was right about him in 2000′ and Ginrich talking of World War 111 perpetual war and Israel is a stupid bunch of pawns being used to do it and I lost all simpathy for them they have no desire for peace.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:31 pmHumanist, I beg to differ. Peace is not the natural state of affairs, at least not yet. All life devours another for survival. My cats were eaten by coyotes. Human consciousness must will peace to happen and that will must be backed up by action. Seriously, when in all of human history has peace been the norm? It has never been the norm. There have only been respites from war. Even in times of supposed peace there have been other forms of war being waged. War against the poor, war against the environment, war against progress. In every span of peace someone has been pushed to the margins. The basic problem is that folks who truiy want real fairness and peace must contend with primal relics in the souls of far too many humans. Also sadly, that aggression, the kind that can so starkly label anyone who disagrees as less worthy of life, is part and parcel of the quest for power. Buddhism is an awesome philosophy, so respectful of all living things. But it remains an exception. Peace makers operate from an unfair stance. They will not dehumanize their attackers and they will not begin wars to force their opposition to see the light. Again, it is an easier path to disregard those not aligned with you, whether in thought, creed or skin color, than it is to put yourself in their shoes. Compromise and peace can only come from an ability to empathize. This has no chance to flower if those against you willfully lack the ability in themselves.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:36 pmThis lecture by Minister Eric Muhammad speaks powerfully to the Middle East conflict explaining it’s true root in white racism and exposing the lies at the foundation of Zionism.
BLACK HISTORY & THE IMPOSTOR JEWS!!!
7/10/05
THIS LECTURE IS 6.66MB IN SIZE. WITH HIGH SPEED INTERNET, IT WILL TAKE ONLY SECONDS TO DOWNLOAD. WITH DIAL-UP IT COULD TAKE UP TO AN HOUR.
CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW TO BEGIN DOWNLOAD.
http://www.zshare.net/ download/ black-history-and-the-impostor-jews-7-10-05-wma.html
MUHAMMAD’S TEMPLE 15
ATLANTA, GA.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:43 pm#123 There have been plenty of horrific “accidents” on both sides, but I wouldn’ say either side doesn’t want peace. If you round up everyone who genuinely doesn’t want peace then I support everyone remaining on both sides. I still have a hard time with the notion that the IDF said, “Hey let’s drop this shell on some beachgoers.” OTOH, Hamas has openly bragged about doing the same to innocent civilians. I wouldn’t believe it if Hamas didn’t admit to it. Hamas has also had obvious bomb-making accidents which they tried to blame on Israel. But war makes people do strange and horrible things. That’s why when war ends both sides give up on the idea of ever getting “justice” or “revenge” for what happened during the war. Cease fire, real borders, no more revenge, and nobody attacks nobody. That’s the only real answer.
I support Palestine, I support Israel, but not those who attack civilians.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:46 pmI think that remark was a shot at Thomas’ Lebanese heritage.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:53 pm#124-Martin,
Excellent points all and although I disagree with some of the specifics, I wholeheartedly agree that PEACE should be the goal instead of war. That is the effort that all should be pursuing with vigor and without relent.
The price for war is death, plain and simple, and that is far too high a price to pay regardless of whether that death is yours, your family, your friend, or any inhabitant of this planet.
May peace be with us all.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:53 pm#119, Humanist,
“I’m sorry that you have given up. I hope that works out for you.”
Given Up? How dare you telling me I have given up? Who are you to speak for me?
July 18th, 2006 at 5:54 pmYou are missing many points with your arrogance which you disguise in peace activism.
The Palestinians have been disposed from their land by the Jews, have lived with terror and torture and occupation for more than a generation. Isreal holds thousands of Palestinians prisoner and treats its Arab citizens like second class citizens. The Jews launch attacks into Gaza when ever they feel like it, killing and wounding uncounted civilians without shedding a tear. But when Arabs fight back with the only means at their disposal the Jews go ape s**t and declare war. What nonsense. The war there has never ended and won’t until Israel behaves like a responsible world citizen and not a bunch of Nazis.
And for those Christian and Jewish zealots who believe God gave this land to Israel. Forget it. The latest archealogical research shows that the great stories of the Old Testament such as the stories of the Patriarchs like Abraham and Jacob, the enslavement of the Hebrews by the Egyptians, the Exodus, the wandering for a generation in the Sinai, Kings David and Solomon’s immense empires were all invented in the 7th Century BCE by the priests of Josiah, King of Judah. The purpose was to create a common history and religion for the people of Israel and Judah (together known as Cannan) which would facilitate the unification of the two kingdoms. God’s promise to the jews of a homeland is pure fiction. So the next time someone tells you the Jews have a historical right to their land tell them tell them to stuff it. And if they tell you that you are speaking the words of Satan just roll your eyes and walk away. You can’t argue with kooks.
July 18th, 2006 at 5:56 pmWhat this country needs is more unemployed politicians.
July 18th, 2006 at 6:07 pmThe reason he said VN is that the German for “United Nations” is “Vereinte Nationen”. Which is why he made the comment about Germany.
July 18th, 2006 at 6:13 pm#129-Marley,
I beg your pardon but I did not claim to speak for you, you spoke for yourself and I quote:
Please wake up? You should wake up and realize we have been cheated out of 2 elections by Bush and Co. “We the people†does not apply any longer in America.
Did you ever hear of Diebold? Just google it.
Comment by Marley — July 18, 2006 @ 5:13 pm
If there is any other way to interpret your comment, please feel free to elaborate.
Peace.
July 18th, 2006 at 6:28 pm#118 At some point you have to draw a cease fire line, which is inevitably broken by some rogue group with a home made rocket or Ak-47.
Or a Katusha rocket.
July 18th, 2006 at 6:32 pmKermit et. al. Please bear in mind that the Hamas & Hezbollah partisans attacked military personnel. Israel promptly and recklessly fired rockets, killing about 100 civilians. And we’re supposed to side with the Israelis? Please.
From The Observer:
These are war crimes.
July 18th, 2006 at 6:41 pm# 133, Humanist, “If there is any other way to interpret your comment, please feel free to elaborate.”
When I said ” We The People does not apply in this country anymore” I responded to your very uneducated and narrow minded comment as follows:
Quote:”And I see that you are another one who has not read or studied your own Constitution. I know this because you say that “No one should blame Americans†and then you go on to suggest that bush and the government should be blamed. Dolt. Your government is “ofâ€, “forâ€, and “by†the people. You, the people, are the boss. You, the people, are where the buck stops. Why do you insist upon ignoring your own accountability? And, don’t you see that it is because you refuse to accept responsibility that this insanity continues?” Unquote.
We the people have NOT chosen to elect Bush in 2000 nor in 2004. He “crashed the party”, uninvited, simply put. You still have not acknowledged you know about Diebold. Myself and more than half of this country did not vote for Bush so when you make a comment like the one above, you generalize by associating all of us who don’t agree with Bush policies with the ones who support him and his devious ways. Stop your sounding so righteous and one-track-minded, please. Not very peaceful of you.
July 18th, 2006 at 6:52 pm#136-Marley,
So, it’s “republican” America who is murdering all the Iraqis? And where is that, specifically, on a map? And show me, since I am so “uneducated” where it is in your Constitution that it takes the power away from the people and then assigns it to the dictatorship that you describe.
You see, my friend, you have fallen into the trap of thinking that your country has been stolen from you and that if you sit around and whine enough that they will give it back. Is it your country or not? Do you believe in the Constitution or not? Are you so afraid of losing your SUV that you would rather sell your soul? Would you consider your inaction “honorable” in the eyes of your founding fathers? Answer those questions truthfully to yourself and you might be able to identify the smelling salt that I am waiving beneath your nose. Or, just call me an “idiot” and move on. Your choice.
May peace be with us all.
July 18th, 2006 at 7:02 pm#130
You are so very correct. It was good to see one poster mention the bombing of the beach in Gaza and the families killed. Israel is a bully and they are attempting to exterminate the Palestines just like Nazis attempted to exterminate them. How interesting they are now the offenders instead of the victims. Israel finds it in their benefit to be the victims. It gives them the right to kill without responsibility.
Also, remember a couple of months ago Bush stated if Iran attacked Israel we would help defend Israel. Isn’t now just so interesting how this war is the fault of Iran and Syria. Remember Bush named Iran and Syria as part of the “Axis of Evil” and has wanted to make war with them for a long time. Interesting now he has a reason. Israel is our friend and they would have no problems in killing because Bush has no problem with killing innocents. The both have blood on their hands and have no remorse.
God help us and our children.
July 18th, 2006 at 7:09 pmFaiz gets a clue.
Commenter John points out that the U.N. veto dealt with Gaza operations, not Lebanon.
#83 Gregor Samsa, have you read your link to the draft resolution? Maybe you’ve figured it by now, too. Do you see any reference to a cease-fire directive between Hizbollah, or their support from Syria and Iran?
July 18th, 2006 at 7:10 pmto the americans fighting each other.
keep it up you are fun to read
grabs more popcorn
=)
July 18th, 2006 at 7:30 pmTony Blow Snow-job is simply a blithering idiot. For one thing he should grow a pair and apologize to Helen Thomas like a gentleman. Short of that he deserves to have the ever-loving shit beaten out of him.
July 18th, 2006 at 7:32 pm#137 Humanist,
Yes it’s Repubilcan America that kills all Iraqis. Do you know what Bush said about the constitution? He said: “It’s just a God Damn piece of paper!” His utter ignorance and focus on greed and power has taken the power away from the people until November that is.
You see, my friend, I do not drive an SUV. And you just gave me the green light to call you an idiot. You’re an idiot because you have no idea where I come from and what I stand for. Moving on!
July 18th, 2006 at 7:45 pmDo you see any reference to a cease-fire directive between Hizbollah, or their support from Syria and Iran?
Comment by Gene Frenkle — July 18, 2006 @ 7:10 pm
Have you read the post I was replying to?
Maybe you haven’t realised it yet, but the Gaza strip is in the Middle East. And the ongoing Israeli military offensive there is also part of the “current Mideast conflict”.
July 18th, 2006 at 7:54 pm#141 - “For one thing he should grow a pair and apologize to Helen Thomas like a gentleman.” - Mr. Evil
July 18th, 2006 at 7:57 pm******Dear Mr. Evil - I agree, Tony Snow should apologize to Hezbollah Helen…..AFTER she learns a thing or two (three or four things would be tooo much to expect!) about “good manners”. She constantly interrupts - maybe because she is so busy yammering, she never hears anything - and THAT’S the reason all her columns have sounded pretty much the same for the last 30 years…..
might aphrodite,
Since you just keep yammering, would that be why all of your posts have sounded the same for the past 3 years?
July 18th, 2006 at 8:06 pmOur resident expert on all things “South of the Border” joins the discussion of Hezbollah Helen and Israel with this intellectual nugget:
July 18th, 2006 at 8:09 pm#109 - “WE have no inferiority complex…..We are not asking you anything, we never did. Just mind your own damn bussiness within your borders, plunderer. - Comment by Juan C.
***** Thank you for clearing up that burning question. Would you be so kind as to convince your Hispanic, Latino, and/or Chicano brothers and sisters who happen to be in the US illegally that THEIR home countries MISS them terribly. I recommend you tell them how GREAT their countries are - it seems alot of them have forgotten.