Energy Secretary in Baghdad: ‘Far More Stable’ Than In 2003, ‘People Are More Relaxed’
Energy Secretary in Baghdad: ‘Far More Stable’ Than In 2003, ‘People Are More Relaxed’
Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman was in Baghdad yesterday to meet with Iraq’s oil and electricity ministers. The New York Times reports, Bodman “had a rosy view of progress here since his last visit in 2003″:
“The situation seems far more stable than when I was here two or three years ago,†he said in an interview in the fortified Green Zone. “The security seems better, people are more relaxed. There is an optimism, at least among the people I talked to.â€
Iraq is not more stable. The same day of Bodman’s visit, a U.N. report showed that 3,149 civilians had died violently in Iraq last month. Baghdad’s central morgue alone received 1,595 bodies in June.
As for Bodman’s sense that Iraqis seem optimistic and “more relaxed,” recall what one private contractor wrote in an intelligence brief to the U.S. military earlier this month:
Baghdad looks so exhausted these days and so do her people; the relentless violence, the lack of basic services and the scorching heat abolishes human desire to do anything or to even think of anything.
Sure sounds relaxing.
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Just another out of touch Bushbot reading his script.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:10 pmpeople are more relaxed. There is an optimism, at least among the people I talked to.â€
Of course, the people I talked to were already DEAD How’s that for the ultimate relaxation?
July 19th, 2006 at 4:10 pmWhat is Samuel Bodman going to do to fix Baghdad’s electrical grid and water supply?
July 19th, 2006 at 4:10 pmRelaxed? as in post rigormortis?
July 19th, 2006 at 4:11 pmRepublican Congressman Gil Gutknecht “The condition there is worse than I expected,†he said. “… I have to be perfectly candid: Baghdad is a serious problem.â€
Someone is lying here. They can\’t be both right.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:11 pmpunctuation can always be a good thing. My sentence meant to say: Of course, the people I talked to were already DEAD. How’s that for the ultimate relaxation?
July 19th, 2006 at 4:11 pmEven better, from that Gutknecht piece:
While Gutknecht is still not in favor of setting deadlines for the withdrawal of all American troops, he said the situation in Iraq’s largest city has clearly deteriorated.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:13 pm“Baghdad is worse today than it was three years ago,†he said.
This is one Bush appointee that actually looks as ignorant as he speaks.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:16 pmHe was in the Green Zone and never ventured out.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:16 pmIf Baghdad is so much better than before, then Samuel Bodman should’ve been holding the press conference on some random street there with his PR contingent. Gee, I wonder why he didn’t do that? I mean that’s the question I would’ve asked him if I was one of the reporters reporting this story.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:18 pmWalk the streets Samuel. I dare ya, and waive an American flag.
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July 19th, 2006 at 4:18 pm___
if you threw purple paint over him he’d look like Barney!
July 19th, 2006 at 4:19 pm“he said in an interview in the fortified Green Zone”
Enuff Said
Probably talking to a bunch of Blackwater and Haliburton execs
Idiot
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 Inf (Stryker)
KIA 03 Feb 05
Mosul, Iraq
Or as Tony Snow and the rest of the Repuppetcans would say
#1462
July 19th, 2006 at 4:23 pmThere is an optimism, at least among the people I talked to.
Like who? His limo driver?
July 19th, 2006 at 4:24 pmTHE GUY IS A PINHEAD.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:24 pmJohn: Life is rosy behind the reinforced concrete 25-ft tall “Bremer Walls” of the Green Zone where diesel generators pump out power so dinks like Bodman can beam out the propaganda on how “relaxed” it is in Iraq. Everything in Iraq is fine except for the death-chaos and American occupation.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:26 pmIt might be worth noting that the contractor’s account was lifted from Iraq the Model, which the WSJ blog acknowledged.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:29 pmAll he did was look at dead Iraqis. He saw perfect calm. 1000s of them were relaxed; at the same time.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:29 pmHere’s the trick.
He’s in Iraq but is talking about Canada.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:30 pmif you discount the ongoing civil war
July 19th, 2006 at 4:33 pmIs everybody in this administration on crack? This guy needs to take his fat ass out of the green zone and walk down the street. Very relaxing taking a small spaziergang in Baghdad, no? And the sidewalk cafes are teeming with beautiful people and paparazzi reading poetry aloud. And people will approach him flowers and champagne, call him a liberator, and thank him for the huge changes the US has wrought. Dare you dare you dare you.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:34 pmI want to see a photo of this douchebag riding a bicycle along the Airport Road between the green zone and the airport.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:36 pmhe probably has confused “relaxed” with “shell shocked”…
July 19th, 2006 at 4:36 pmthose that could have left the mess…
Maybe they seem relaxed because they have resigned themselves to a fate of being killed at any moment of any day by; the U.S. military, the insurgency, or sectarian death squads. How can these clowns still cling to their fantasy that everything is peachy in Iraq? 14,000 dead this year. WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?
July 19th, 2006 at 4:42 pmIt never ceases to amaze me how invested the left in this country are in defeat in Iraq. You guys are on the sidelines cheering on the terrorists and hope that we will cut and run. I know you don’t like hearing this but your strategy will never win your power back. You should take the advice of one of your own, Rachael Maddow. She was talking about this yesterday morning. I doubt that anyone here would consider getting tough on terror though.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:43 pm“Is everybody in this administration on crack? This guy needs to take his fat ass out of the green zone and walk down the street. Comment by Antonie Doinel”
No, but they are all acting out Alcoholic Enabler 101. The pretense that all is OK, and presenting a false public face, including the lies and deceptions necessary is standard responses for people that are in dysfunctional, abusive and alcholic families. They also confront those in the family and externally that are TRUTH TELLERS with verbal violence and rhetorical hate attacks.
Everything about the NeoCONazi Reichwingers is based on family dysfunction played out on a political and global scale. Bush is the child of alcoholics, and even a dry drunk himself. His dysfunctional responses to the world are easily recognized by alcoholics, chidren of alcoholics and their enablers. Look under the skirt of virtually any NeoCONazi man and you’ll find a dysfunctional and abusive childhood. It’s one of the reasons our society needs to spend more efforts on dealing with dysfunctional households. They breed CONs like rats on a ship.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:44 pmIt never ceases to amaze me how invested the GOP is in perpetuating the lie that things in Iraq are going well and how the “left” never talks about the “good news” out of Iraq. The left is all about getting tough on terror–the left opposes preemptive war and occupation of a country that posed no threat to America while Osama bin Laden goes free.
July 19th, 2006 at 4:48 pm#27
July 19th, 2006 at 4:54 pmI guess thats why the UN passed 16 resolutions against Iraq then. Not that I care what the UN does anyway as they are a useless and mostly corrupt organization.
Well, allright. I mean, the Energy Secretary looks pretty relaxed in his picture here as well.
Also old, fat, bald and spiffy in an expensive suit. Like a CEO, really.
Which begs the question as to if eveyone in the administration not only LOOK like a Dick Cheney clone, but SOUND like one as well.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:06 pmSecretary Bodman, have you met Rep. Gil Gutknecht (R-MN)?
July 19th, 2006 at 5:24 pmRANDY - you’re not paying atention. No one is hoping for an American defeat in Iraq, but we do feel strongly that continuing on a deadly course that has no chance of winning in Iraq makes Bush dangerously incompetent. Bush himself said it is impossible to actually defeat terrorism, and Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with the terrorism.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:26 pmRyan I think you have reached the heart of the matter. I firmly agree with your post. Myself and fellow behavioral health professionals saw this years ago coming from the Bush admin. And all the people who enable and follow this guy are dysfunctional too.(except for the dupes who later find out they have been duped). It speaks to the level of dysfunction we have in our country. It is understood in the feild of behavioral health that the vast majority of people are indeed dysfunctional.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:30 pmRandy, Randy; you are obviously out of the loop when it comes to the thinking of the left in the US. I for one wishes Bush WOULD get tough on terrorism. Instead he is wasting time trying to find ways to increase his OWN power by circumventing the law in numerous ways. He got us bogged down in Iraq. He didn’t focus on Osama, He has neglected Afghanistan, to the point it is backsliding. We WANT to win, but it will not happen with Bush leading the way, trust me. He is a loser.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:48 pmIt never ceases to amaze me how invested the left in this country are in defeat in Iraq…blahblahblahb…
Comment by Randy — July 19, 2006 @ 4:43 pm
oh, shut up…
July 19th, 2006 at 7:12 pmthis guy doesn’t have a clue
July 19th, 2006 at 7:15 pmWow, Heather said that this guy was an idiot, but this is just too much.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:18 pmkaty, you are just too good today… :-D
July 19th, 2006 at 8:11 pmI’m amazed daily at the number of people Bushco finds who’ll repeat Rove’s daily talking points of outright lies. Who are these people and what the hell is wrong with them? Who could even imagine that there were so many soulless people?
July 19th, 2006 at 8:29 pmzooey… have been cultivating this latest ‘tude for a few days now… i’ve so had it, ya know?… plus it’s HOT outside!… grrrrrrr…
July 19th, 2006 at 8:32 pmoh, and thanks! :-)
katy,
Apparently no luck on the plea for an evening open thread. Maybe if we hijack a few threads talking about our fabulous kids, favorite alcoholic drinks, and kilt crawls, they will reconsider.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:47 pm:-)
Remember, whenever anyone tells you how how much happier and better off the people of Iraq are, be sure to ask them:Feen t’alimmti arrabiyya?
(It means: Where did you learn Arabic?)
July 19th, 2006 at 9:33 pmFor those who understand:
Two men from Wonderland came this day,
And shared quite opposite views,
And both were intensely commented upon:
Both right, both wrong, both news.
And we’ve gotten a glimpse of Wonderland,
But who’s Jeckyl, and who’s Hyde?
We’ll cheer on the news we want to hear,
Always blaming the other side.
And I?
I have traveled the other side of the looking-glass,
Down the rabbit’s hole,
Past the March-hare’s madness,
And drank from the Devil’s bowl.
Below the depths of Wonderland,
The lonely darkness calls,
And beckons my soul to dwell therein,
In labyrinthical halls.
I long to return to the darkness,
The Never-Never Land of night;
To leave behind the looking-glass,
Forever banished from its sight.
But the chess game moves ever onward,
And I, a lowly pawn,
Have slain the Black Knight with a double-edged sword,
And condemned myself to the dawn.
Again, for those who understand, I ask you to think Peace. It couldn’t hurt, and it just might help.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:39 pmOh, that people, they live in Palm Springs.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:54 pmHead on over there Bodman, see how long you last, you disgusting turd.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:07 pm#42, BnF
July 19th, 2006 at 10:42 pmI like that.
It seems like its a point of honor with the bushites not to say anything unless it’s a complete lie.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:17 pmMarie, thank you. I enjoy your posts as well.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:24 pmHey, remember the Muppets?
July 19th, 2006 at 11:26 pmBodman looks and acts exactly like a real life
Dr.Bunsen Honeydew.
Conducting the same preposterous and dangerous expirements as U.S. poor Beakers stand around with our lower lip flapping, waiting for the inevitable explosion…….
Yes, thank you Briseadh na Faire, for your reminders to focus on the light of peace. They are noticed and appreciated. And applied.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:31 pmWhat some people have to do to keep their job. Now everyone know Iraq is at war and if they don’t then either they’re being paid to lie or their stupid. Iraq needs a leader and that leader is Saddam. Now Americans see what happens when a President lies, steals, tortures and invades a country he knows nothing about. Bush/Cheney wanted to control the oil I guess they got played. Sad that so many Americans were willing to let their children invade Iraq based on Bush’s lies and now they can’t turn back the clock to correct the mistake. We will pay a heavy price for letting George W. Bush destroy our country and values.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:53 pmYou libs are something else over here on the propaganda website. You are all “unhinged.†By that I mean; it’s the word that covey’s the LEFT, generally speaking, it emphasizes that the LEFT has long since come unglued, giving itself over to irrationality and extremism rather than reasoned discourse. Is this where you all come to hold hands?
July 20th, 2006 at 12:17 am…I ask you to think Peace. It couldn’t hurt, and it just might help.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
As always…
July 20th, 2006 at 12:27 amAccording to the left: “There is no question the Bush administration misled the nation and led us into a quagmire in Iraq.†This according to Teddy Kennedy. Jimmy Carter charged that on Iraq, “President Bush has not been honest with the American people.†Moreover, Al Gore has said that an “abuse of the truth” characterized the administration’s “march to war.” These charges as well as many others by the left are themselves misleading, which explains why no independent body has found them credible. Not one, and I challenge you to find one.
July 20th, 2006 at 12:37 amLet’s review what we know for clarity. The National Intelligence Estimate is the intelligence community’s authoritative written judgment on specific national security issues. The 2002 NIE provided a key judgment and I quote directly from the report: “Iraq has continued its WMD programs in defiance of U.N. resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of U.N. restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade.” Just to re-emphasize, this is the National Intelligence Estimate, and not some made up BS that the left thinks the President, and/or the GOP concocted.
The fact-based bipartisan Silberman-Robb Commission Report, which investigated the causes of intelligence failures in the run-up to the war if you remember. We now know that the President’s Daily Brief and the Senior Executive Intelligence Brief were, if anything, more alarmist and less nuanced than the NIE. We also know that the intelligence in the PDB was not markedly different from that given to Congress. With that said; I know this is a point of contention with the left, because the left likes to claim they never received the same information. Prove it. Once again, shear politics. But with that said, help me understand why John Kerry, in voting to give the president the authority to use force, said, “I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security.” It’s why Teddy Kennedy said, “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” And it’s why Hillary Clinton said in 2002, “In the four years since the inspectors, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his nuclear program.” They weren’t alone in their assessments, Bill “the rapist†Clinton, Albright, Cohen, Dean, Biden, Schummer, Reid, Pelosi, and a host of others all voiced similar assessments. Hey, at least they were all on the same page.
How do you explain that intelligence agencies from around the globe believed Saddam had WMD. Even foreign governments that opposed his removal from power believed Iraq had WMD. Just a few weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began, Wolfgang Ischinger, German ambassador to the U.S. said, “I think all of our governments believe that Iraq has produced weapons of mass destruction and that we have to assume that they continue to have weapons of mass destruction.” These are direct quotes and record of fact, you know, those things you like to say I don’t present. If you don’t believe me check out the links provided at the bottom of the page for reference. I don’t want you to think I made this shit up. In fact, all the information I’ve provided in this document is listed/linked bellow.
Anyway, no serious person with reasoned discourse would justify a war based on information he knows to be false and which would be shown to be false within months after the war concluded. Not even GWB. The world community thought he had WMD. Our own intelligence did or in the words of George Tenet “it a slam dunk.” This is the Director of the CIA for Gods sake, originally appointed by a Democrat! Let me say this, most of the world was operating from essentially the same set of assumptions, and/or intelligence regarding Iraq’s WMD capabilities. Look, important assumptions turned out wrong; but mistakenly relying on faulty intelligence is a world apart from lying about it. One can play politics with the truth and distort the facts, but in the end the President did not lie about WMD. I think we can rationalize from this, that the intelligence wasn’t what it should have been. So here is a question for you, why is it’s ok for the rest of the world to have these assessments, but not George W. Bush?
Another thing I hear from you and others is the Bush administration pressured intelligence agencies to bias their judgments. Once again this is political BS. Earlier this year, Al Gore charged that “CIA analysts who strongly disagreed with the White House found themselves under pressure at work and became fearful of losing promotions and salary increases. He didn’t bother to back that up with any documentation or core facts supporting it. Teddy charged that the administration “put pressure on intelligence officers to produce the desired intelligence and analysis.” Here again, Kennedy doesn’t offer any proof, none. I challenge you to find anyone or anything that can back those accusations up, anyone. So I have to conclude by default, this is nothing more than political hogwash only meant to shape GWB in a bad light by the political left. Hey it’s politics, I understand. Just toss the shit out there, it might stick.
July 20th, 2006 at 12:42 amThe Senate’s Select Committee on Intelligence’s bipartisan Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq. Among the findings: “The committee did not find any evidence that intelligence analysts changed their judgments as a result of political pressure, altered or produced intelligence products to conform with administration policy, or that anyone even attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to do so.” Silberman-Robb concluded the same, finding “no evidence of political pressure to influence the Intelligence Community’s prewar assessments of Iraq’s weapons programs. Analysts universally asserted that in no instance did political pressure cause them to skew or alter any of their analytical judgments.” What the report did find is that intelligence assessments on Iraq were “riddled with errors”; most of the fundamental errors were made and communicated to policy makers well before the now infamous NIE of October 2002, and were not corrected in the months between the NIE and the start of the war. Is GWB at fault for this?
Now some more politically charged assertions I hear from you and the left. Because weapons of mass destruction stockpiles weren’t found, Saddam posed no threat. How many times have I herd that? Anyway, Howard “the duck†Dean declared Iraq “was not a danger to the United States.” John “Benedict†Murtha asserted, “There was no threat to our national security.” Max Cleland put it this way: “Iraq was no threat. We now know that. There are no weapons of mass destruction, no nuclear weapons programs.” Yet while we did not find stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, what we did find was enough to alarm any sober-minded individual. However, recently it was disclosed that 500 shells of Rican and mustard gas were found inside Iraq. I guess they don’t count because they are old and unusable. I wonder if any you people would be willing to store these shells in your garages.
Upon his return from Iraq, weapons inspector David Kay, head of the Iraq Survey Group, told the Senate: “I actually think this may be one of those cases where Iraq under Saddam Hussein was even more dangerous than we thought.” His statement when issuing the ISG progress report said: “We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities” that were part of “deliberate concealment efforts” that should have been declared to the U.N. and, he concluded, “Saddam, at least as judged by those scientists and other insiders who worked in his military industrial programs, had not given up his aspirations and intentions to continue to acquire weapons of mass destruction.”
Among the key findings of the September 2004 facts report by Charles Duelfer or The Duelfer Report, who succeeded Mr. Kay as ISG head, are that Saddam was pursuing an aggressive strategy to subvert the Oil for Food Program and to bring down U.N. sanctions through illicit finance and procurement schemes; and that Saddam intended to resume WMD efforts once U.N. sanctions were eliminated. According to Mr. Duelfer, “the guiding theme for WMD was to sustain the intellectual capacity achieved over so many years at such a great cost and to be in a position to produce again with as short a lead time as possible. Virtually no senior Iraqi believed that Saddam had forsaken WMD forever. Evidence suggests that, as resources became available and the constraints of sanctions decayed, there was a direct expansion of activity that would have the effect of supporting future WMD reconstitution.” But what the hey, why bother with the Duelfer Report. Recently translated documents from Saddam pretty much sums that all up.
Those were the comments I sent a friend of mine. Can anyone here dispute what I wrote? Give me some clarity?
July 20th, 2006 at 12:56 amWhat……did somebody toss a turd in the punch bowl over here. I’ll take your silence as a concession.
July 20th, 2006 at 1:20 amBodman lives in a world of make-believe just like the Dubya Dunce Decider Dictator Despot!
July 20th, 2006 at 1:50 amWell if that pussball thinks its so “relaxed” then someone put him on a plane.
In fact, send his whole family over too. It can be a family vacation.
They’ll have a blast.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:16 amFrogcatcher - your comments are the same, old tired Republican talking points that have been repeated endlessly by Faux News, Rush, O’Reilly, etc. Trying to reason with people like you is like spitting into the wind…a complete waste of time. As Jack Nicholson would say, “Go sell crazy somplace else. We’re all stocked up here.”
July 20th, 2006 at 10:52 amI know the case may have been overstated regarding Saddam’s links to al Qaeda but it looks like he was training thousands of jihadists preinvasion. I know this doesn’t necessitate an invasion but http://www.regimeofterror.com has some interesting findings on the former regime recruiting, training and funding foreign fighters before the invasion.
July 20th, 2006 at 11:56 am. The world community thought he had WMD. Our own intelligence did or in the words of George Tenet “it a slam dunk.†the fatfrog said! Well, my dear clueless nincompoop, the following countries have said to the US in no uncertain terms that their intelligence was deeply flawed and Sadham had no WMD: Germany, France, Russia, China, Ireland (yes, that wee country in Europe) even Italy had refuted the US claims notably Tenet’s stupid slam dunk episode! And if you bother to read the UK’s own memorable memo you will find out that, yes, more of the same so which country exactly do you think (and I want proof) has said to the world that Hussein was a clear and present danger? Name them and we’ll shame them!
July 20th, 2006 at 2:15 pm#59
“You can’t handle the truth.” Name that movie……………..
July 20th, 2006 at 2:29 pmThat goes ditto for #61
July 20th, 2006 at 2:31 pmJust answer the question, don’t dodge, not today…
July 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pmSend the next GOP convention to Baghdad, OUTSIDE THE GREEN ZONE and see how RELAXED they are. About as “relaxed” as Wolfowitz was on his first and only visit to Iraq after having mongered the war very well.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:34 pmOne can play politics with the truth and distort the facts, but in the end the President did not lie about WMD. For God’s sake the CIA sold them the shit back in the Iran/Iraq war! Saddam used them on his own people! You people need to open your eyes.
In the future when history records these times/events you liberal “unhinged” kooks will all be exposed for what you are. So go back to listening to your Randi Rhodes, Al Frankin’s of the world. Get your talking points for the day and go out and make your little speeches. In fact what is the financial situation of “Hate America Radio.” I hear their ratings are through the roof! Not.
The year 1994 (lost) 2000 (lost) 2004 (lost) 2006 (lose) 2008 (lose) Hell, you kook’s are still running against Bush. He’s such a bad, bad, bad man you know……PLEASE someone get me a tissue and some anal beeds!
You ever hear the term think globally act locally. We conservative’s love you man! Keep up the great job!! Rock the Vote!!!!
July 20th, 2006 at 4:09 pmFrogcatcher needs to go to Iraq and he will be greeted with hugs kisses and flowers just like Wolfy and Rumsfeld said would happen. But of course old froggy is a parrot and a coward so you are just at your keyboard spewing the same crap we hear from the sheep trolls of freeperland. If you had a sack you would be over there fighting for whatever your pea-brain leader Bush tells you. Keep spewing your utter garbage because your cause is going down in flames and you have nothing new to say except the same old drooling shit we’ve heard for quite some time now. Go choke on some frogs you assclown.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:44 pmYes, things are so optimistic and stable in Iraq that the Turks are now considering military intervention into the country to stop Kurdish guerrilas.
http://www.mercurynews.com/ mld/ mercurynews/ news/ world/ 15080730.htm
Just imagine how optimistic things will be then!
July 20th, 2006 at 6:34 pm#
#59
“You can’t handle the truth.†Name that movie……………..
Comment by Frogcatcher — July 20, 2006 @ 2:29 pm
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“A Few Good Men.” Surprised? The problem, Frogcatcher, is that the wall created here, in reality, is based on a lie. Problem with being a superpower, Frogcatcher, is that having the biggest, baddest weapons and military makes ya real itchy to demonstrate it. We did it once in Japan. But gosh..that was YEARS AGO…we don’t want people to forget….right? And absolutely the best say to control your own population is to make them afraid…very afraid. And always have an enemy for them to hate, so they don’t pay attention to what you…their OWN government..which is supposed to protect them, is doing to destroy them.
So we currently live in a society where a majority of Americans feel like it’s ok for their government to invade their privacy in order to “protect them.” My opinion…those Americans who actively support the government’s “right” to do so are unpatriotic cowards who either forgot or never learned what this country was founded on in the first place.
So I stand up for one simple principle…”Give me liberty or give me death.” Nathan Hale, executed by the British at the age of 21 as a traitor. Nathan DIED to help this country be born. You, sir, are willing to let him and everyone that ever died for the liberties and freedom of this country, as clearly outlined in our Bill of Rights..for their deaths to be ultimately lost…because YOU and others like you don’t have the courage it takes to be an American.
July 20th, 2006 at 10:21 pmI happen to believe that when it’s time to protect America against evil you step up to the plate. Take the politics out and get to the root causes my friend. Let me ask you some questions: do you think radical Islam is evil? Would you be willing to give your life so others can be free? Do you believe in Democracy? In addition, name one filed case as a result of the NSA program that has resulted in a violation of someone’s rights?
Listen my friend, I too wish that we lived in a perfect world, but we don’t. In order to save ourselves we need to defend ourselves. Perhaps fear is a good thing in the short term. Out of fear comes sacrifice and awareness and then peace.
July 21st, 2006 at 10:01 amJust a reminder of fanatical Islam:
July 21st, 2006 at 11:56 amMuslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage. Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage. Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage. A Muslim attacks a missionary children’s school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage. Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage. Let’s go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage. Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage. Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage. Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage. Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage. Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.