Comments on: Energy Secretary in Baghdad: ‘Far More Stable’ Than In 2003, ‘People Are More Relaxed’

By: Frogcatcher

Frogcatcher — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:56:10 +0000

Just a reminder of fanatical Islam:
Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage. Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage. Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage. A Muslim attacks a missionary children’s school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage. Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage. Let’s go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage. Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage. Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage. Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage. Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage. Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

By: Frogcatcher

Frogcatcher — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:01:56 +0000

I happen to believe that when itâ€™s time to protect America against evil you step up to the plate. Take the politics out and get to the root causes my friend. Let me ask you some questions: do you think radical Islam is evil? Would you be willing to give your life so others can be free? Do you believe in Democracy? In addition, name one filed case as a result of the NSA program that has resulted in a violation of someoneâ€™s rights?

Listen my friend, I too wish that we lived in a perfect world, but we donâ€™t. In order to save ourselves we need to defend ourselves. Perhaps fear is a good thing in the short term. Out of fear comes sacrifice and awareness and then peace.

By: Impeachcheneythenbush

Impeachcheneythenbush — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:21:39 +0000

#59

â€œYou canâ€™t handle the truth.â€ Name that movieâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..

Comment by Frogcatcher â€” July 20, 2006 @ 2:29 pm
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“A Few Good Men.” Surprised? The problem, Frogcatcher, is that the wall created here, in reality, is based on a lie. Problem with being a superpower, Frogcatcher, is that having the biggest, baddest weapons and military makes ya real itchy to demonstrate it. We did it once in Japan. But gosh..that was YEARS AGO…we don’t want people to forget….right? And absolutely the best say to control your own population is to make them afraid…very afraid. And always have an enemy for them to hate, so they don’t pay attention to what you…their OWN government..which is supposed to protect them, is doing to destroy them.

So we currently live in a society where a majority of Americans feel like it’s ok for their government to invade their privacy in order to “protect them.” My opinion…those Americans who actively support the government’s “right” to do so are unpatriotic cowards who either forgot or never learned what this country was founded on in the first place.

So I stand up for one simple principle…”Give me liberty or give me death.” Nathan Hale, executed by the British at the age of 21 as a traitor. Nathan DIED to help this country be born. You, sir, are willing to let him and everyone that ever died for the liberties and freedom of this country, as clearly outlined in our Bill of Rights..for their deaths to be ultimately lost…because YOU and others like you don’t have the courage it takes to be an American.

By: Jeremy Henderson

Jeremy Henderson — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:34:50 +0000

Yes, things are so optimistic and stable in Iraq that the Turks are now considering military intervention into the country to stop Kurdish guerrilas.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/15080730.htm

Just imagine how optimistic things will be then!

By: Dee

Dee — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:44:39 +0000

Frogcatcher needs to go to Iraq and he will be greeted with hugs kisses and flowers just like Wolfy and Rumsfeld said would happen. But of course old froggy is a parrot and a coward so you are just at your keyboard spewing the same crap we hear from the sheep trolls of freeperland. If you had a sack you would be over there fighting for whatever your pea-brain leader Bush tells you. Keep spewing your utter garbage because your cause is going down in flames and you have nothing new to say except the same old drooling shit we’ve heard for quite some time now. Go choke on some frogs you assclown.

By: Frogcatcher

Frogcatcher — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:09:24 +0000

One can play politics with the truth and distort the facts, but in the end the President did not lie about WMD. For God’s sake the CIA sold them the shit back in the Iran/Iraq war! Saddam used them on his own people! You people need to open your eyes.

In the future when history records these times/events you liberal “unhinged” kooks will all be exposed for what you are. So go back to listening to your Randi Rhodes, Al Frankin’s of the world. Get your talking points for the day and go out and make your little speeches. In fact what is the financial situation of “Hate America Radio.” I hear their ratings are through the roof! Not.

The year 1994 (lost) 2000 (lost) 2004 (lost) 2006 (lose) 2008 (lose) Hell, you kook’s are still running against Bush. He’s such a bad, bad, bad man you know……PLEASE someone get me a tissue and some anal beeds!

You ever hear the term think globally act locally. We conservative’s love you man! Keep up the great job!! Rock the Vote!!!!

By: Richard Paul

Richard Paul — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:34:19 +0000

Send the next GOP convention to Baghdad, OUTSIDE THE GREEN ZONE and see how RELAXED they are. About as “relaxed” as Wolfowitz was on his first and only visit to Iraq after having mongered the war very well.

By: Outernet

Outernet — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:37:58 +0000

Just answer the question, don’t dodge, not today…

By: Frogcatcher

Frogcatcher — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:31:02 +0000

That goes ditto for #61

By: Frogcatcher

Frogcatcher — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:29:00 +0000

#59

“You can’t handle the truth.” Name that movie……………..

By: Outernet

Outernet — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:15:24 +0000

. The world community thought he had WMD. Our own intelligence did or in the words of George Tenet â€œit a slam dunk.â€ the fatfrog said! Well, my dear clueless nincompoop, the following countries have said to the US in no uncertain terms that their intelligence was deeply flawed and Sadham had no WMD: Germany, France, Russia, China, Ireland (yes, that wee country in Europe) even Italy had refuted the US claims notably Tenet’s stupid slam dunk episode! And if you bother to read the UK’s own memorable memo you will find out that, yes, more of the same so which country exactly do you think (and I want proof) has said to the world that Hussein was a clear and present danger? Name them and we’ll shame them!

By: tony

tony — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:56:15 +0000

I know the case may have been overstated regarding Saddam’s links to al Qaeda but it looks like he was training thousands of jihadists preinvasion. I know this doesn’t necessitate an invasion but http://www.regimeofterror.com has some interesting findings on the former regime recruiting, training and funding foreign fighters before the invasion.

By: impeachcheneythenbush

impeachcheneythenbush — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:52:46 +0000

Frogcatcher – your comments are the same, old tired Republican talking points that have been repeated endlessly by Faux News, Rush, O’Reilly, etc. Trying to reason with people like you is like spitting into the wind…a complete waste of time. As Jack Nicholson would say, “Go sell crazy somplace else. We’re all stocked up here.”

By: CLUBBER WORFEUS

CLUBBER WORFEUS — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:16:31 +0000

Well if that pussball thinks its so “relaxed” then someone put him on a plane.

In fact, send his whole family over too. It can be a family vacation.

They’ll have a blast.

By: Jay Randal

Jay Randal — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:50:19 +0000

Bodman lives in a world of make-believe just like the Dubya Dunce Decider Dictator Despot!

By: Frogcatcher

Frogcatcher — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:20:15 +0000

What……did somebody toss a turd in the punch bowl over here. I’ll take your silence as a concession.

By: Frogcatcher

Frogcatcher — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:56:33 +0000

Those were the comments I sent a friend of mine. Can anyone here dispute what I wrote? Give me some clarity?

By: Frogcatcher

Frogcatcher — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:42:10 +0000

Another thing I hear from you and others is the Bush administration pressured intelligence agencies to bias their judgments. Once again this is political BS. Earlier this year, Al Gore charged that “CIA analysts who strongly disagreed with the White House found themselves under pressure at work and became fearful of losing promotions and salary increases. He didn’t bother to back that up with any documentation or core facts supporting it. Teddy charged that the administration “put pressure on intelligence officers to produce the desired intelligence and analysis.” Here again, Kennedy doesn’t offer any proof, none. I challenge you to find anyone or anything that can back those accusations up, anyone. So I have to conclude by default, this is nothing more than political hogwash only meant to shape GWB in a bad light by the political left. Hey itâ€™s politics, I understand. Just toss the shit out there, it might stick.
The Senate’s Select Committee on Intelligence’s bipartisan Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq. Among the findings: “The committee did not find any evidence that intelligence analysts changed their judgments as a result of political pressure, altered or produced intelligence products to conform with administration policy, or that anyone even attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to do so.” Silberman-Robb concluded the same, finding “no evidence of political pressure to influence the Intelligence Community’s prewar assessments of Iraq’s weapons programs. Analysts universally asserted that in no instance did political pressure cause them to skew or alter any of their analytical judgments.” What the report did find is that intelligence assessments on Iraq were “riddled with errors”; most of the fundamental errors were made and communicated to policy makers well before the now infamous NIE of October 2002, and were not corrected in the months between the NIE and the start of the war. Is GWB at fault for this?
Now some more politically charged assertions I hear from you and the left. Because weapons of mass destruction stockpiles weren’t found, Saddam posed no threat. How many times have I herd that? Anyway, Howard â€œthe duckâ€ Dean declared Iraq “was not a danger to the United States.” John â€œBenedictâ€ Murtha asserted, “There was no threat to our national security.” Max Cleland put it this way: “Iraq was no threat. We now know that. There are no weapons of mass destruction, no nuclear weapons programs.” Yet while we did not find stockpiles of WMD in Iraq, what we did find was enough to alarm any sober-minded individual. However, recently it was disclosed that 500 shells of Rican and mustard gas were found inside Iraq. I guess they donâ€™t count because they are old and unusable. I wonder if any you people would be willing to store these shells in your garages.
Upon his return from Iraq, weapons inspector David Kay, head of the Iraq Survey Group, told the Senate: “I actually think this may be one of those cases where Iraq under Saddam Hussein was even more dangerous than we thought.” His statement when issuing the ISG progress report said: “We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities” that were part of “deliberate concealment efforts” that should have been declared to the U.N. and, he concluded, “Saddam, at least as judged by those scientists and other insiders who worked in his military industrial programs, had not given up his aspirations and intentions to continue to acquire weapons of mass destruction.”
Among the key findings of the September 2004 facts report by Charles Duelfer or The Duelfer Report, who succeeded Mr. Kay as ISG head, are that Saddam was pursuing an aggressive strategy to subvert the Oil for Food Program and to bring down U.N. sanctions through illicit finance and procurement schemes; and that Saddam intended to resume WMD efforts once U.N. sanctions were eliminated. According to Mr. Duelfer, “the guiding theme for WMD was to sustain the intellectual capacity achieved over so many years at such a great cost and to be in a position to produce again with as short a lead time as possible. Virtually no senior Iraqi believed that Saddam had forsaken WMD forever. Evidence suggests that, as resources became available and the constraints of sanctions decayed, there was a direct expansion of activity that would have the effect of supporting future WMD reconstitution.” But what the hey, why bother with the Duelfer Report. Recently translated documents from Saddam pretty much sums that all up.

By: Frogcatcher

Frogcatcher — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:37:26 +0000

According to the left: â€œThere is no question the Bush administration misled the nation and led us into a quagmire in Iraq.â€ This according to Teddy Kennedy. Jimmy Carter charged that on Iraq, â€œPresident Bush has not been honest with the American people.â€ Moreover, Al Gore has said that an “abuse of the truth” characterized the administration’s “march to war.” These charges as well as many others by the left are themselves misleading, which explains why no independent body has found them credible. Not one, and I challenge you to find one.
Let’s review what we know for clarity. The National Intelligence Estimate is the intelligence community’s authoritative written judgment on specific national security issues. The 2002 NIE provided a key judgment and I quote directly from the report: “Iraq has continued its WMD programs in defiance of U.N. resolutions and restrictions. Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons as well as missiles with ranges in excess of U.N. restrictions; if left unchecked, it probably will have a nuclear weapon during this decade.” Just to re-emphasize, this is the National Intelligence Estimate, and not some made up BS that the left thinks the President, and/or the GOP concocted.
The fact-based bipartisan Silberman-Robb Commission Report, which investigated the causes of intelligence failures in the run-up to the war if you remember. We now know that the President’s Daily Brief and the Senior Executive Intelligence Brief were, if anything, more alarmist and less nuanced than the NIE. We also know that the intelligence in the PDB was not markedly different from that given to Congress. With that said; I know this is a point of contention with the left, because the left likes to claim they never received the same information. Prove it. Once again, shear politics. But with that said, help me understand why John Kerry, in voting to give the president the authority to use force, said, “I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security.” It’s why Teddy Kennedy said, “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” And it’s why Hillary Clinton said in 2002, “In the four years since the inspectors, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his nuclear program.” They werenâ€™t alone in their assessments, Bill â€œthe rapistâ€ Clinton, Albright, Cohen, Dean, Biden, Schummer, Reid, Pelosi, and a host of others all voiced similar assessments. Hey, at least they were all on the same page.
How do you explain that intelligence agencies from around the globe believed Saddam had WMD. Even foreign governments that opposed his removal from power believed Iraq had WMD. Just a few weeks before Operation Iraqi Freedom began, Wolfgang Ischinger, German ambassador to the U.S. said, “I think all of our governments believe that Iraq has produced weapons of mass destruction and that we have to assume that they continue to have weapons of mass destruction.” These are direct quotes and record of fact, you know, those things you like to say I donâ€™t present. If you donâ€™t believe me check out the links provided at the bottom of the page for reference. I donâ€™t want you to think I made this shit up. In fact, all the information Iâ€™ve provided in this document is listed/linked bellow.
Anyway, no serious person with reasoned discourse would justify a war based on information he knows to be false and which would be shown to be false within months after the war concluded. Not even GWB. The world community thought he had WMD. Our own intelligence did or in the words of George Tenet “it a slam dunk.” This is the Director of the CIA for Gods sake, originally appointed by a Democrat! Let me say this, most of the world was operating from essentially the same set of assumptions, and/or intelligence regarding Iraq’s WMD capabilities. Look, important assumptions turned out wrong; but mistakenly relying on faulty intelligence is a world apart from lying about it. One can play politics with the truth and distort the facts, but in the end the President did not lie about WMD. I think we can rationalize from this, that the intelligence wasnâ€™t what it should have been. So here is a question for you, why is it’s ok for the rest of the world to have these assessments, but not George W. Bush?

By: Zooey

Zooey — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:27:57 +0000

…I ask you to think Peace. It couldnâ€™t hurt, and it just might help.
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