VIDEO: House Conservatives Reveal What God Thinks About Gay Marriage Amendment
VIDEO: House Conservatives Reveal What God Thinks About Gay Marriage Amendment
The constitutional ban on gay marriage was defeated yesterday in the House. During the debate, several right-wing congressmen revealed what God thinks about the gay marriage amendment:
Rep. John Carter (R-TX): “It’s part of God’s plan for the future of mankind.”
Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN): “It wasn’t our idea, it was God’s.”
Rep. Bob Beauprez (R-CO): “We best not be messing with His plan.”
Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA): “I think God has spoken very clearly on this issue.”
Not everyone believes that writing discrimination into the U.S. Constitution reflects biblical principles. The Clergy for Fairness has organized clergy members and religious leaders around the country who strongly oppose the Federal Marriage Amendment.
Full transcript below:
BEAUPREZ: We celebrate the fact that we were all created equal by our Creator — equal, but different, and for a purpose. He showed us that purpose in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve.
GINGREY: This is all about marriage that results, or potentially can result, in the procreation of children. And this is what our Constitution has implied for 223 years, and indeed, what the word of God has implied for 2,000 years.
PENCE: I believe first, though, marriage should be protected because it wasn’t our idea. Several millennia ago, the words were written that a man should leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife and the two should become one flesh. It wasn’t our idea. It was God’s idea.
GINGREY: But I do know a little bit about the sacrament of marriage, Mr. Speaker, as one of about 200 Catholic members of the United States Congress. And I think God has spoken very clearly, very clearly, on this issue.
CARTER: The reality is, marriage has always been a union between a man and a woman. Now in China, they might say a civil union. In Rome they might say a church union. But it’s always been a union between a man and a woman. In my faith, I believe it’s part of God’s plan for the future of mankind.
BEAUPREZ: And marriage since the beginning of time, as close as I can tell, has been between a man and a woman. And if it was indeed good enough for our Creator and it was indeed our Creator’s plan that we were created different for an absolute divine purpose, I think we best not be missing with His plan today.
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Isn't Phil Gingrey the guy who couldn't even list more than two or three of the Ten Commandments when asked to do so by Stephen Colbert?
July 19th, 2006 at 5:29 pmNot that was something Westmoreland. I remember, because I thought it was funny that a guy with the last name of Westmoreland could get elected in a military district. I am guessing he was no relation to General Westmoreland of Vietnam fame.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:32 pmRep. Bob Beauprez (R-CO): “We best not be messing with His plan.â€
We best not be messing....??? I mean, h'aint dat spoken like a true redneck statesman, or what?
July 19th, 2006 at 5:33 pmWhat is this? Congress will begin applying Biblical law now?
What's the point of having elections and electing representatives then, when god can just as well take care of the world through his providence?
I do not want to hear any more conservative talk about how terrible those Islamic theocracies are, when the GOP is building one in the US with the help of their base.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:34 pmThe more important question is, if God actually had a position on this issue, why in the world would he trust any of these Republican asshats to be His spokesman?
July 19th, 2006 at 5:35 pmSimple minds for a simple party (R).
“We best not be messing with His plan.â€, and America gets mad when rappers use terrible english. I dont remember the bible saying that the US constitution should have an ammendment to ban two same sex peopel from getting married.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:36 pmGod is a women!!!
July 19th, 2006 at 5:37 pmThank GOD for the separation of church and state?!
Please, keep your bible out of my government.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:38 pmIs this the same GOD who tells Bushco to kill Muslims, invade countries, and control the world???
July 19th, 2006 at 5:38 pmI wonder if these good Congressmen could please explain exactly which "God" is it that they think wants that gay marriage ban passed? And why should we care what that particular "God" says? What if I belonged to a religion that says that "God" doesn't care who you sleep with? Would that make "my God's" views any less valid than "their God"?
Whether or not they like it, when they invoke "God" as a reason to pass legislation (or as the only important reason), they are, in essence, violating the establishment clause of the First Amendment.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:39 pmwtf... I'd rather have people come up with laws, than have people come up with laws by listening to the voices....
#3 If Joan d'Arc were alive today she'd be in an asylum....
July 19th, 2006 at 5:41 pmIt would be nice to have some solid verification of this deity's existence before we allow these idiots to assert their intimate knowledge of its thinking. I wonder if these dolts have little tea parties in their back yards where they set places for Hansel, Gretel, Odin, Scrooge McDuck, and Jehovah. It's one thing to blame another flesh and blood human being for one's personal errors in judgment. It's a whole other ball of wax to place the responsibility an imaginary friend.
The 'theological illusion' will be humanity's undoing.
I fear to ask what else the 'invisible sky fairy' is telling them. It probably involves cutting social security and starting more wars.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:42 pmNo, it was Lynn Westmoreland but I wouldn't doubt a lack of knowledge on Phil's part.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:42 pmJust like God said to kill the witches... then we found out witches don't exist, only people who were burned alive because some hypocrites thought they could read the mind of god.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:44 pmIf these fools talk to God all the time why are they in DC and not in Las Vegas at the Crap tables, Phoenix at the dog races, or Santa Anita chasing the horses. Straight from God would be real insider trading. However, if I recall correctly Jesus talked directly to God and he died 2000 years ago in poverty. I bet stem cell research could have saved him. Particularly if God had used the stem cells of the Romans.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:46 pmGoodness, step out to close a deal and you all finally grow a pair.
Congratulations.
Now that you’re all riled up, aside from the stem cell issue which is a loser for the GOP, how do plan to combat the GOP/Conservative Christian alliance?
How are you going to refute the coming spin?
Do you have a plan to work to convince anyone other than the amorphous “middle/independant†electorate that the Dems deserve another chance?
Or will you as I suspect, expect the media to carry your water for you and then cry on the internet about how unfair it all is when they roll over for us?
And before you start screaming about the Liberal Media, every thoughtful Conservative see through that canard. We know the Media has been cowed by us into effectively being our bitch. We call ‘em liberal but they really do the hard work for us.
All we have to do is wave the flag and scream “gays want to abort your babies†and “the WoT demands that we cut taxes†or some such nonsense and we’re guaranteed 45% of the vote. That’s before we start the spin and vitriol.
It works. We’ll keep doing it.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:47 pmI think that Sharia law is pretty clear on this. It's part of Allah's plan for the future of mankind. We best not be messin'
July 19th, 2006 at 5:47 pmIs this the same GOD who tells Bushco to kill Muslims, invade countries, and control the world???
Comment by Bill Gant — July 19, 2006 @ 5:38 pm
No, but it is the same GOD who said that farmers who plant two different crops in the same field, women who wear dresses made from two different cloths, and people who work on the sabbath should be put to death. (Along with gay men.)
Although I am atheist, I still would have an easier time believing that it was actually the Devil who told the president all those things. From what people who know more about it than I have said, that's just not the kind of thing that God tells people to do. The Devil, on the other hand! That stuff's right up his alley.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:47 pmSo, if, as Bob Beauprez asserts, marriage "was indeed good enough for our Creator," why do Christians have such a hard time with the idea that Christ might have been married and had children?
According to their own definition, then, Christ did not live up to the optimal union of a man and a woman, nor did he uphold his end of the bargain by choosing not to procreate.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:47 pmSo, everyone is God's child but gays and lesbians?
Well, that's not very paternal, now is it?
July 19th, 2006 at 5:49 pmIsn't using God's name to pass legislation (that they know is doomed to failure) the same thing as taking it in vain?
July 19th, 2006 at 5:50 pmThis is great!
Keep insulting religion. Talk down to anyone who doesn't share your "enlightened" view of the world. That's a great way to widen the tent.
Alienate the middle of the country.
You all make this way too easy.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:50 pmI would not call 236-187 a defeat. too bad you need a supermajority to stop these people. Why not just a simple majority? we need to stem the tide of homosexuality in this country .
July 19th, 2006 at 5:51 pmI wonder how many of those 187 besides the usual asshole liberals agree with banning so called gay "marriage" but just think it more politically correct to stop homosexuality at the state level.
I REALLY do hope the scummy left in this country makes so called gay "marriage" an issue again so they lose. it's so much fun seeing their hurt little faces whan they get beaten. keep up the good work moonbats and push for those degenerates to get "married"!!
yo homie, you best not be messin', or god's gonna put a cap in yo ass. Fo' shizzle!
July 19th, 2006 at 5:53 pm-Rep. Bob Beauprez
Are you saying that religion is somehow off limits as a topic for discussion and debate? Does someone who professes religious beliefs get a free pass to say or do what they want just because of those beliefs?
July 19th, 2006 at 5:53 pm"i distrust those people who know so well what god wants them to do, because i notice it always coincides with their own desires."
-- susan b. anthony
July 19th, 2006 at 5:54 pmMoonbat only shows up on the threads related to gay marriage. Homo-obsessed loser.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:55 pmA bunch of Christian Pharisees hijacking and despoiling MY beautiful religion which is based on love, inclusiveness, grace, and forgiveness for their political agenda. These guys don't know about Jesus' interaction with the government and religious leaders of his time do they? Jesus was accused of violating the Ten Commandments by healing on the Sabbath. He said to render unto Caesar what is Caesar and to God what is God's. We need a HUGE progressive turnout in November. We need lawsuits. We need protests.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:56 pmgood to see moonbat patrol back on the threads
July 19th, 2006 at 5:58 pmgood to see moonbat patrol offer nothing of substance to the topic, nor actually engage in reasonable debate (as usual)
good to see 6pm, as I'm heading home. Gnite all, cya tomorrow
PLC
July 19th, 2006 at 5:58 pmamen brother, amen
the left has never made gay marriage an issue, it is the right who pushes it, whenever they need to energize the freaks like you.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:59 pmunfortunately, these kinds of comments make us as guilty of intolerance as the republicans.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:59 pmI would not call 236-187 a defeat.
Huh? In what world is losing 236 to 187 considered a victory?
July 19th, 2006 at 6:02 pmBob,
Nope, not saying that. It's the superior tone and denigration of heartfelt beliefs that are offensive and objectionalble. By immediately, and seemingly always, going for the "God is a ghost in the sky" argument, you lose almost half the population.
Find a way to disagree without insulting.
I know it's unfair as we do just the opposite but that's what plays to our base and pulls undecided into our camp. Throwing insults only pushes them further to the right.
Despite what liberals think, the vast majority of Christians understand that the message of the New Testament is "Love." However, that is tempered by a fierce American spirit that also says, in the words of the Gadsden flag "Don't Tread on Me"
Until you can find a way to synthesize these two, we'll continue to sing from our tried and true hymnal. Our favorite hymn is "I love you conditionally, get off my property"
July 19th, 2006 at 6:02 pmMoonbat
July 19th, 2006 at 6:02 pmYou wrote on another thread a week or so ago that you didn't think government should be restricting people on some things, while it should on others. How do you define what the government should be restricting? What type of things should be restricted (parameters, please, not examples)?
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July 19th, 2006 at 6:07 pmGod spoke to me this morning and told me he loves gays and especially lesbians. He said he couldn't think of a better plan for America than to allow people of the same gender to share life as married couples. He went on to say that he has a special place for conservative repugnacans and that they would surely believe in global warming when they get there. Oh! I almost forgot, he wants each of you to send me ten dollars. Peace be with you.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:09 pmCongress has to have a 2/3's majority because political powers that be come and go, so the majority doesn't matter too much because it's just going to change... you need a BIG majority to show that the "vast" majority of the counrty wants the permanent change, because it's hard to have a party that controls 2/3 of anything, even now, and more so in Nov. Moonbat- it's called Freshman Civics class.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:10 pmPLC,
Am I Moonbat? I just showed up yeaterday via Wonkette's link to the Brownback thread.
Truth be told, I'm a real conservative, lower taxes less government etc...
I don't think the gov't ought to restrict much.
Unfortunately the Dems don't believe that. The GOP does most of the time.
Specifics: regulate environmental issues, health care, investments, laws of course, and that's pretty much it. Gov't needs to stay the heck out of my personal business, i.e. who I sleep with and how, what I do with my body, how I spend my money.
The Dems seem to want to regulate way too much and they want too much of my money.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:10 pmBar/Neil,
July 19th, 2006 at 6:11 pmBut by drawing in the undecided, you weaken your party (look no farther than the Dems). And if Bushco continues to divide his own party, the left will absorb your parties "wishy-washy" types. I tend to vote indy since I don't believe in supporting a Corporatist government. Sooner rather than later I believe third parties will have an impact as more and more voters (if they ever decide to even vote) realize that both parties are equally corrupt.
And please, don't break your arm trying to pat yourself on the back anymore...
Bar/Neil
MY God loves UNconditionally and expects me to as well. Obviously we aren't reading the same Christian Bible.
I have to leave but I'll try to get back on here later tonight. I'd especially like to hear from Moonbat Patrol for an answer to my question in #40 (shutter it's hard to believe I said that and actually mean it).
July 19th, 2006 at 6:11 pmGosh, somebody better notify the “Left Behind†people of this fact.
Comment by Bluedog49
Well done! You've just alienated my base and mobilized the troops. Thanks!
You just can't help trying to make yourself feel superior can you? Please keep going.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:13 pmDear Congress, I dont believe in your absentee landlord of a god so please keep your insanity to yourselves, we seem to be all stocked up here already.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:16 pmHow many manifestations of god have there been throughout human history? People have worshiped fire, wind, rain, sun, clouds, lava, water, nature and a complete plethora of mythological type figures with every kind of name you can think of. Of course the modern versions have been whittled down to a few recognizable names such as Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah and simply God. To my knowledge, not a single one, of ancient times or of modern times all the way up to today, has ever made a real, verifiable, actual visit to this planet. Not one shred of evidence that a God or any other gods for that matter exist or have existed outside the delusions of weak, paranoid humans. Adults on this planet run around screaming what God wants, what God says, what God needs, how much you have to pay God, etc. God is nothing more than a tool for people of power and influence (and corruption, especially today) to control and manipulate entire peoples to suit the selfish needs of the extreme very few. Manufactured fear. Man, if you could only patent that!
Also, organized religion (cults) is the single greatest evil ever perpetrated upon the human race.
And this, my friends, is happening in the 21st century.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:18 pmDieboy,
How do you expect to win without undecideds?
You can't and neither can we. You know our strategy, play to their fears and we win and we can all pay less taxes.
What's y'all's strategy?
July 19th, 2006 at 6:18 pmkeep up the good work moonbats and push for those degenerates to get “marriedâ€!!
Comment by moonbat patrol
You are right of course, Moonrat. I had a bud once who was a real degenerate. He fell in love with a great big, hairy gorilla that had been taken to the Animal Shelter down here because once she was full grown, the owner couldn't control he anymore. Really.
When he told me about her and said he wanted to marry it, I said, "NO WAY, you sickassed pervert!" He told to come over an meet her before I made my mind up about that. Well, after much prodding, I finally did go over there and the gorilla was all he said it was: gentle, nice manners, real friendly like. In spite of my aversion, I got to liking her myself. The gorilla had two problems though: breath that could stop an elephant when it kissed you, and entirely too much hair.
Well, he explained there wasn't nothing he could do about the gorilla's breath because of its vegetarian diet, but we could shave it if I would help hold it down. I reluctantly agreed and after a horrendous fight we got it shaved and guess what? That damned gorilla turned out to be a big male silvertip, not a female at all. And you know what the sick part was? That old buddy of mine must have been a homosexual because he had taken such a liking to the gorilla, he still wanted to marry it.
Which just goes to show you: conservatives don't give a damned if your spouse looks like a gorilla, its really all about sex.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:21 pm#26
That's the funniest post I've read in some time! Fo' shizzle!
t-mac
July 19th, 2006 at 6:22 pmBar/Neil: Specifics: regulate environmental issues, health care, investments, laws of course, and that’s pretty much it. Gov’t needs to stay the heck out of my personal business, i.e. who I sleep with and how, what I do with my body, how I spend my money.
So you're pro: EPA, Medicare, FICA, FISA etc, and anti: NSA(wiretapping/data mining), banning gay marriage, gov. funding of stem cells, etc. Got it.
Hmm, you mostly sound like a left-leaning righty...
As for an independents strategy, I'd say look at Kinky Friedman. A true outsider without much of a hailstone's chance in hell, but A LOT of my friends, both Dem and Rep are just FED UP with the status quo. Besides, how hard can it be?
Did I detect the Texan form of "ya'll" there?
July 19th, 2006 at 6:24 pmDon't forget, the constitution begins with "We the people..." It's not the government - you are the government. When you say the government should not be regulating businesses, you are saying that a citizen has no right to expect a fair price for goods or services they recieve, to expect food and medicines that are prepared in safe conditions, to expect businesses to refrain from using underhanded methods to eliminate their competitors. You are the government. Get used to it.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:25 pmBluedog,
You not understanding that mocking someones core beliefs for a cheap laugh is emblematic of what sort of trouble the Dems are going to have trying to grow their consituency. For many Christians, thier faith defines the essence of who they are.
Mock them at your own peril.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:26 pmI know plenty of church-going, patriotic, god-loving Christian liberals. The God issue is not owned by the Republican party. Many can see through the republican pandering and are frankly disgusted by the rights manipulation of people's faith for political goals.
Some of the people in "your base" are a lost cause for the democrats who are better off with out them. These folks are such slow learners that trying to get through to them is hopeless.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:30 pmYou know our strategy, play to their fears and we win and we can all pay less taxes.
Comment by Bar/Neil — July 19, 2006 @ 6:18 pm
And you're proud of this? You feel good about not having a positive agenda on which to run? You find it perfectly okay that in order to help people decide who might best represent them in government, your party plays on their unfounded fears and ignorance?
What if your party decided to run on what they REALLY want? What if the Republicans said, "You know what? Corporations pay way too much in taxes, so we're going to eliminate corporate taxes altogether. Same goes for the wealthy people who don't actually work for a living but instead live off the dividends from their investments. Only people who have a job will pay income taxes from now on. So what if no civilization in the history of mankind has ever cut taxes in a time of war? Oh, and we all feel that Jesus is THE one to pray to, so we're going to push a Christian agenda through whether or not it violates the Constitution. Civil liberties? You don't need them. You must not since you don't use them. Oh, and no matter what the Constitution says, the President is 'always right', and we must bow to whatever he wants."
Do you think they would sweep every Congressional race in the country if they went out and told the American people what they REALLY wanted to do? I don't.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:30 pm...mocking someones core beliefs for a cheap laugh...
But it's OK for conservatives to mock other people's core beliefs?
July 19th, 2006 at 6:32 pmDieboy,
Categorize me however you want. I want the government to leave me alone. The best bet for that is the GOP.
So, to that end I'll rile folks up at meetings and cocktail parties with talk that makes them feel good about themselves and what they believe. Call me cynical or selfish, I don't care. The GOP leaves me alone and let's me keep more of my money than the Dems ever would or could.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:32 pmKarl Marx: "Religion is the opiate of the masses."
July 19th, 2006 at 6:34 pmThis thing about gay marriages is all blown out of proportion. Several years ago, just as it was fashionable to come out of the closet, there was a TV program which featured two lesbians predicting how they were going to take over and run the Country. My Dear Departed Daddy, playing cards in the next room and only partially listening piped up with "Honey, you better do it in one generation!" So what if gays are allowed to marry? God says they are not going to propogate so they have only one generation. Contrast that with Bush's infertility and in vitro implantation of donor sperm in his wife which ensures at least one more generation. Thank God it wasn't Laura that was infertile.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:34 pmThese idiots know nothing about the Bible. First, neither God nor Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality. Second, the Bible is full of crazy shit. Religious fundamentalism = hypocrisy.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:35 pmI think he is more concerned with adultery and divorce....see New Testament, any interpretation, I don't think Gays are mentioned after the Old Testament. Cons are liars, crooks, panderers, phonies, hypocrites and sanctimonious hypocrites...
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm
We have real problems in this nation and this is not one of them.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:35 pmBob,
Didn't say it was okay. We do it because we can. It works. It gets us what we want.
Lost Cause guy,
Write 'em off, please. Write off the moderates too or don't I don't care. We'll scare 'em back into the fold somehow.
Wayne,
Not proud and certainly not ashamed either. It is what it is. Leave me alone and keep your grubby paws off my money - that's what drives me and most of my friends.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:38 pmSecond, the Bible is full of crazy shit.
Like the story of Lot's daughters.
Read that some time and tell me what lesson our kids should take away from it.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:39 pmOutta bourbon. Gotta run. I'll be back later but feel free to insult, deride, belittle at will. As you can see, not only libs read these threads.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:41 pmWe do it because we can. It works. It gets us what we want.
I believe that's the same defense sexual predators use to lure in young kids.
Pretty shaky justification, don't you think?
July 19th, 2006 at 6:42 pmWe’ll scare ‘em back into the fold somehow.
I know, I know!! We'll tell em Rapture will come if they don't vote for the republican party!! Then we'll tell em that the gays will take over the world, then we'll tell em that the President actually is God.
Man, manipulating the manipulated is easy.
Luckily, not all moderates are so easily swayed by Republican fear-mongering and homo-bashing.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:43 pmI go out of town for a few days and the neocons seem to have grown exponentially wackier.... But at least Ralph Reed's career in Georgia politics is over. I guess god didn't vote in the Republican Primaries in Georgia?
Great comments from those of you with a grip on reality. Anyone else having live conversations with super-natural beings should be doing something other than posting here... Somewhere mental health related would be more appropriate...
July 19th, 2006 at 6:45 pmLOL if Neil places the left behind series in his core belief of Christianity, what else needs to be said?
July 19th, 2006 at 6:45 pmOutta bourbon. Gotta run. I’ll be back later but feel free to insult, deride, belittle at will.
Comment by Bar/Neil
Thank you. And I would, too, if you had shown your ass, been insulting to the rest of us. Other points of view are welcomed here, no matter how misguided.
Shalom.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:49 pmHello American Talibahn....When are you going to require American women to wear burquas?
July 19th, 2006 at 6:49 pmAh yes, Lott’s daughters...
But the story gets better. Lot and his daughters repair to a cave, where the two girls get the old man drunk, "lay with him," and sire two sons by him!
Remind me again of why I should rely on the Bible as a guide for moral conduct...
July 19th, 2006 at 6:51 pmI saw somewhere in the Bible the direction to "Love thy Neighbor as thyself." If that isn't homosexual I'll put in with you.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:53 pm#79
Welcome back, Unbelievable. It is obvious the trolls didn't get a summer break. Help us edurecate them.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:55 pmThis new troll is a wanker. How come (s)he changed her screen-name in the same day?
July 19th, 2006 at 6:57 pmRemind me again of why I should rely on the Bible as a guide for moral conduct…
Comment by Bob's Your Uncle
Because you never know when a whale might swallow you up and then puking you out on some strange beach somewhere a few years later.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:58 pmwe will quit "pushing our religion down your throat" when you quit pushing the homosexual aganda down the throat of America.
July 19th, 2006 at 6:59 pmI would not be too concerned with Lott's daughters or Reed losing in georgia if I were you wacky liberals. i would be worrying a lot more about who you are going to run to push your radical socialist agenda this November abd who is going to be your pick for pres in "08.
you poor, poor leftwingers really don't get it do you? you think that reed losing in Georgia has anything to do with you losing in the next elections??
You are so deluded by your wrong headed self righteousness and pushing your tyrannical view of desires that you are missing totally the fact that Americas soundly rejects your pathetic agenda.
but like I always say PLEASE keep doin' watcha doin becayse you do it so well... that "it" being losing national elections.
My right not to beleive is just as important as their right to be deluded, and they don't understand that. If I alienate them so what? They aren't listening anyway. I'm not going to pretend to think that their right to spew nonsense is more important than the seperation of church and state. Keep your friggin myths out of my government. I can do the right thing just because it is right, not out of fear that god will shove a lightning bolt up my ass.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:04 pmbut like I always say PLEASE keep doin’ watcha doin becayse you do it so well… that “it†being losing national elections.
Comment by moonbat patrol
Hey Moonrat. What about Ralph Reed loosing his AAAASSSSS down in Georgia? Is that what you mean about America rejecting a pathetic agenda? HAHA!
July 19th, 2006 at 7:04 pmmbp,
It must be hard living with your fear of homosexuality. Do you have nightmares about it or something? You Repubnuts are so AFRAID of losing in November, I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!
Then, in backlash, you'll all have to be sodomized by the entire, previous population of New Orleans...
July 19th, 2006 at 7:08 pmI love these guys that claim that they know what God wants because he speaks to them. The last guy that I know that God supposedly talked to was Moses when he was talking to God through a burning bush.
Maybe these guys that talk to God today do so through a cell phone, it is certainly a more efficient and better for the environment than a burning bush way of talking to God.
I wonder which cell phone network God uses?
July 19th, 2006 at 7:09 pmkindness,
You can't seem to stay away from me can you? Two names were used to manipulate you and lead you around by the nose. It's easy with you and your fellow travelers.
I see the anit-Christian faction is back in full swing. Again, thank you.
I also note that your puritanical underbelly is showing. Since when is having some bourbon a bad thing? Why do you care if I have a drink or take a few tokes for that matter?
Finally, for this post at least, why is it so hard for you all to believe that I won't vote for a Dem because they/you want to regulate and control me and my money? The GOP does it's best to leave me alone - notwithstanding using the religious conservatives to help us stay in power.
Attack away.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:09 pmwe will quit “pushing our religion down your throat†when you quit pushing the homosexual aganda [sic] down the throat of America.
You know, these guys sure talk a lot about pushing things down other people's throats.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:09 pmWhy do you care if I have a drink or take a few tokes for that matter?
Damn dude, I'm liking you more already...
July 19th, 2006 at 7:12 pmTom,
Actually God spoke to several prohpets after Moses in both the Old and New Testament.
Speak with facts and your opinions will carry more weight.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:12 pmwhat a bunch of bullshit!
July 19th, 2006 at 7:12 pmSince when is having some bourbon a bad thing?
Amen to that brother! I've got a glass of Woodford Reserve right here next to me, and heaven help the person who tries to take it away from me!
July 19th, 2006 at 7:12 pm#91 please see the post about Reed elsewhere on this esteemed website.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:14 pm#92 AND 93 (musta got yer goat boy ya posted twice in your anger.. tee-hee) pissing off liberals is what I do, it;s my hobby letting leftards how stupid they are because they are too stupid to know.
I am not taking any act on the road blueboy but you are. the liberal idiot American tour.
# 90- hey you can always take Midol for your affliction but your long years of liberalism have replaced your brain with your hemmoroids. seek help, you need it.
poor homophiles- no so called gay marriage again this year.
Dieboy,
I'm not really all that evil. We disagree politically and I really enjoy fu@#ing with the true Dem sheep here. Can't mess with my own, just gotta keep feeding them thier gruel.
The rational discourse is better here than the Con blogs.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:15 pmWelcome back, Unbelievable. It is obvious the trolls didn’t get a summer break. Help us edurecate them.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper — July 19, 2006 @ 6:55 pm
Thanks Clyde.
I think the trolls may be beyond help... But I'll sure do my best... But after dinner.... : )
July 19th, 2006 at 7:15 pmmoonbat,
July 19th, 2006 at 7:16 pmMay the bird of happiness poop on your head.
if i didn't want boys on boys, i wouldn't have put the naughty bits so close to the secret place...and, i wouldn't have made penthouse magazine. and, i did make ann coulter, bill o'reilly, rush limbaugh, and michelle malkin---each of dubious sexuality, one more bat-shit crazier than other.
come on, people... i made you and you can play with all the parts, if you want to...knock yourselves out!
peace,
god
July 19th, 2006 at 7:16 pmMaybe the House Republicans should join Hezbollah. Hezbollah also is the 'Party of God'.
-GSD
July 19th, 2006 at 7:18 pmSome gang tried to rape Trent Lott's daughters! My God.
-GSD
July 19th, 2006 at 7:22 pmNeil,
You speak of facts, what makes you so sure that God ever talked to anyone? Just because some self proclaimed phophet of centuries ago wrote it in a book doesn't make it fact.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:23 pmpushing the homosexual aganda down the throat of America
July 19th, 2006 at 7:23 pmSounds rather kinky doesn't it. monniebat have you ever had an original thought in your life? Ididn't think so. You wake up every morning and scream PLEASE UNCLE RUSH TELL ME WHAT TO THINK TODAY, and then you spend the rest of the day parroting what you heard. On sunday you, maybe but I doubt it, go to church and listen to some jerk that was to lazy to get a job where he had to work more than one day a week, repeat myths and legends and assure you that, as long as you produce more suckers to hand him money, you get your pie in the sky one day. Well guess what all your corporate buddies, like uncle rush are getting their pie NOW. A little viagra and a quick trip to the sex slave capital of the world, and back home in time to keep telling you that OTHER people are perverts. Just spend a day or two doing your own thinking. It hurts at first but after awhile it starts feeling good.
Gays make up less than 6% of our population...how would gay marriage destroy the marriage when only 6% are gay? On the other side of the coin, over 50% of marriages end in divorce...nearly every man woman or child is affected in some way with divorce and broken homes. Why is that the sanctimonious reighwing is concerned about gays, 6%, and not concerned with 50-99% of the population? Why don't they pass a bill or amendment changing the no-fault divorce that destroys marriages and families?
Could it be that they know that their deliverance wing is obsessed with gays, because of their weird hillbilly sex on the river? That Karl Rove really knows his base, the 29%ers or the deliverance wing of the GOP.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:26 pmI think God created these idiots for laughs. I mean I'm laughing my ass off.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:26 pmHey Guys,
If gay were good, God would have named the first pair Adam and Bruce (or Neil as the case may be).
July 19th, 2006 at 7:27 pmBluedog,
Try to follow along:
He referenced Moses speaking to the burning bush.
This is from the Bible.
He stated that that was the last time God spoke to anyone.
According to the Bible (you should read it as it's a pretty good read and you don't have to believe it to realize that its influence on western culture is profound and that so much flows from this belief system that to ignore its cultural significance is, well, just plain stupid) there were several prophets that spoke with God, specifically Jeremiah comes to mind.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about and continue to show your ignorance to all your friends.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:29 pmGod did not discriminate against anyone. You repugs are waaaaaay wrong on this one! Get real and do something good for your country for a change. Better yet, get out of politics because ya'll are doing a lousy job.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:29 pmThe names would have been Neil and Bob.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:31 pmCorrection, BLuedog and his friends continue to show thier ignorance and inability to follow a logical thought.
The Bible is a wonderful allegory for many things, man's creation being one of them.
Do you know what an allegory is? No fair using Google.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:32 pmI've always found it intriguing that some people profess to know God's opinions.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:34 pmGod spoke to me this morning and told me he loves gays and especially lesbians. He said he couldn’t think of a better plan for America than to allow people of the same gender to share life as married couples. He went on to say that he has a special place for conservative repugnacans and that they would surely believe in global warming when they get there. Oh! I almost forgot, he wants each of you to send me ten dollars. Peace be with you.
Comment by Ckerst
July 19th, 2006 at 7:34 pm--------------
Good one,Ckerst!
The Bible is a wonderful allegory for many things...
To get back to my post about Lot's daughters...What do you think this story is supposed to tell us? What's the moral here?
July 19th, 2006 at 7:35 pmMom,
Which God are you talking about Old Testament or New? Are you aware of the difference?
DKS and Clyde appear to be typical knee-jerk liberal Dems. You are just as bad as the sheeple that help me keep my money.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:35 pmBob,
Don't know about Lot. My Bible as Lit class was many many years ago.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:37 pmBluedog,
How is it then that I know more about your Bible than you do? Or were you lieing on purpose for some odd reason? If you are such a scholar, why did you question my post when you should have known it to be true?
July 19th, 2006 at 7:39 pmFinally, for this post at least, why is it so hard for you all to believe that I won’t vote for a Dem because they/you want to regulate and control me and my money?
Comment by Bar/Neil
I may just be an atheist, but I recall hearing about something in the Bible that went, "The love of money is the root of all evil."
So, you seem to be upset that your love of money is being interfered with.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:40 pmBluedog,
Unlike you, I do not profess to be a Biblical scholar. Show me where I am wrong and you are correct.
You cannot. You cannot because you are a lieing pussboy. What happened to your faith, did you get an education or sorts and start wearing a beret, goatee, and have some sort of epiphany about how you're so much smarter than your mommy and daddy?
Unlike you, you pretentios twit, I am not afraid to admit that I don't know everything about everything.
Stop gloating. You haven't done anything but show everyone here the abject failure you are here and in life.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:44 pmWayne,
It's the "pusuit of money" and yes, according to that quote, I am evil. I like money.
I really like my money and I'd like to keep it.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:46 pmBluedog.
Let's try this another way.
I am a secular humanist. I use the religious right to get what I want. I am a cynical greedy monry grubbing WASP that makes no apologies for what I do or what I believe,
Don't care for you and your pretentious shows of Biblical knowledge or Church history.
I don't care. I care that it matter to some folks and will use their belief system to get what I want.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:50 pmTypical repugnacan, it's always about money.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:51 pmBar/Neil,
Thank you for the correction. I never heard it put the way you did there, but I won't argue. Maybe the line appears that way in your particular version of "The Bible." Seems kind of strange to say that the "pursuit" of money was the root of all evil. That would make capitalism a major sin and the Republican Party that whole-heartedly supports it damned for eternity. SOunds kinda strange to me but, as I said, I won;t argue with it. I'll let someone else do that.
And you agree that you are evil. Fine. Why then, should we let evil people pick our leaders? How can a "good" government come from the choices of evil people?
July 19th, 2006 at 7:51 pmCkerst,
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Do you live in a commune and share all your resources?
July 19th, 2006 at 7:52 pmWayne,
I was being facetious when I proclaimed myself to be evil. Guess I need to work on expressing my tone better in a written forum.
Nonetheless, Money/Capitalism is America.
Okay, now I'm gonna be snide.
Why do you hate America?
July 19th, 2006 at 7:56 pmWayne,
You are wasting your time with Bar/Neil.
(S)he started out as a Christian woman in the ThinkFast thread, then a religious person, and now (s)he has morphed into a secular humanist man.
What is it with these trolls and their gender identity issues?
July 19th, 2006 at 7:57 pmGingrey needs to propose a law banning the marriage of infertile couples.
July 19th, 2006 at 7:59 pmI am a secular humanist. I use the religious right to get what I want.
I'm with you on the first part, but I'm not quite sure I follow you on the second. Is it that the religious right keeps Republicans in power?
I don't know if you're much of a student of history--I teach it, so I don't have any excuses--but I can assure you that power is a lot of things, but it's not permanent. The only time power is absolute is in a totalitarian regime, and given your feelings towards the government, I don't imagine that you'd be much of an advocate for that sort of system.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:01 pmThanks, Gregor,
I did some double-checking and, sure enough, "The love of money is the root of all evil" can be found in the KJV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:10. Not "pursuit" as our friend suggested. But at least we know that America is "Freedom", not the desires of greedy, self-centered money grubbing evil people.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:03 pmGregor,
Yes, I hijacked two threads today pretending to be a nutjob. Keep reading the posts. You'll see that I did it for sport and had a damn good time taunting the Dem sheeple.
If you'd prefer, I'll go away and return with a new name.
I have nothing to hide. You and the rest of the sheeple here make this way too easy sometimes.
But, if this is too hard for you, put your head in the sand and try to pretend what I'm saying doesn't represent the GOP. We're here, we're in charge and until you and your Dem buddies can win an election now that we've learned how to win, we're not going to change.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:05 pmHey guys; Just got back from heavenly acres Gymnasium and asmument park (the kids wanted to ride the new log plum, go figure) Well anyway my secretary gave me the low down on this shim sham and I got to tell it isn't my plan at all. My plan was for peace and harmony but as they say that's show business.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:06 pmWayne,
I stand corrected.
Bob,
Just curious, where do you teach - level not school.
ANd yes, you read me correctly, I am not in favor of a totalitarian regime. I understand that power is fleeting and that the Dems will one day wrest control of the government back. I'm just really really really not looking forward to it and will work my butt off to see that it does not happen in my lifetime.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:09 pmBar/Neil,
I've taught college-level history, but now I'm teaching at a community college and love it. The students are all motivated to learn and they don't mind it when I press them to think critically about issues. I frankly don't care what side of the political spectrum they're on, as long as they can back up their ideas with facts and present a cogent argument.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:13 pmOh hey...Bar/Neil...Yeah I was just looking at some of the records and such...well as it turns out next monday around noonish or so an incident with that goat and a cement mixer will finally make that wish about the 'not in my lifetime' become a whole lot more relevant. Oh say hi to marge and the kids I really hope that cist gets better I know how hard it is for her to sit down. Taa off to putt-putt golf
July 19th, 2006 at 8:14 pmenough said.
Comment by Bluedog49
I'm waiting. Show me where I was wrong.
You are pathetic excuse for an Biblical expert.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:16 pmIsn't there a rule about wearing PornStachesâ„¢ on the House floor?
July 19th, 2006 at 8:17 pmFools... Godless fools. One thing I hate is Gay people who try to prove how they aren't gay.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:17 pmBob,
You're pretty cool for a liberal. I'd be happy to have you or someone like you teach my kids. Make 'em think! Make 'em defend their conclusions with facts and rational arguements and I will raise a glass to you.
What'd be really cool, yes I am from a generation that uses that term liberally, is if you could piss off one of the little home-schooled twits enough to get them to cry to Sean or Horowitz. Then you could enter the pantheon of teachers. And no, I'm not being snide here. S & H are first class a-holes.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:21 pmYou’re pretty cool for a liberal. I’d be happy to have you or someone like you teach my kids. Make ‘em think! Make ‘em defend their conclusions with facts and rational arguements and I will raise a glass to you. I will raise a glass to you.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:25 pmMoonbat Patrol
July 19th, 2006 at 8:26 pmI'm back and I notice you haven't responded to my question in post #40 which I'll repeat for convenience:
You wrote on another thread a week or so ago that you didn’t think government should be restricting people on some things, while it should on others. How do you define what the government should be restricting? What type of things should be restricted (parameters, please, not examples)?
I truly would like to have a discussion about this. I'm intriqued. thank you in advance.
OK, so why the hell didn't my comment show up in that post?
Anywho, thanks. I do what I can.
And I've got a glass of Woodford right here, so here's to ya!
July 19th, 2006 at 8:27 pmRep. John Carter (R-TX): “It’s part of God’s plan for the future of mankind.â€
Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN): “It wasn’t our idea, it was God’s.â€
Rep. Bob Beauprez (R-CO): “We best not be messing with His plan.â€
Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA): “I think God has spoken very clearly on this issue.â€
Ok, is god calling them up on the phone? Sending email? Showing up in a dream? A little voice in the head? Does anyone know how this works?
July 19th, 2006 at 8:28 pmPLC,
I believe Moonbat is gone and that I'm the only COnservative left.
My reply from before is below if you'd like to discuss:
Am I Moonbat? I just showed up yeaterday via Wonkette’s link to the Brownback thread.
Truth be told, I’m a real conservative, lower taxes less government etc…
I don’t think the gov’t ought to restrict much.
Unfortunately the Dems don’t believe that. The GOP does most of the time.
Specifics: regulate environmental issues, health care, investments, laws of course, and that’s pretty much it. Gov’t needs to stay the heck out of my personal business, i.e. who I sleep with and how, what I do with my body, how I spend my money.
The Dems seem to want to regulate way too much and they want too much of my money.
Comment by Bar/Neil — July 19, 2006 @ 6:10 pm
July 19th, 2006 at 8:29 pmZooey,
Hope you're not too disappointed but I've pulled off the mask and will no longer be rebuking you or your little dog too...
July 19th, 2006 at 8:31 pmBar/Neil
July 19th, 2006 at 8:32 pmYou haven't been honest with us here, so, no, I have no desire to discuss anything with you.
PLC,
Okey doke... good luck with your losing agenda.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:32 pmBluedog,
What's the matter boy?
You running scared? I hit too close to home?
You are now my liberal bitch. Enjoy! I know I will.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:34 pmRegarding the story of Lot in Genesis. From the link below:
Various Christian groups interpret Bible passages in totally different ways, and reach mutually exclusive conclusions:
Conservative Christians: Many believe that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19, like passages elsewhere in the Bible, refers to homosexuality as a forbidden, detestable practice deserving of the most serious punishment -- not only death to those attempting the homosexual act but also a mini-genocide of the entire cities of Sodom and Gomorrah including adults, youths, children, and infants. God created the institution of heterosexual marriage as the only valid relationship for humans within which sexual activity can be performed without sin.
Liberal Christians: Many believe that texts in Genesis and the rest of the Bible make it clear that Sodom was punished because of the violent, abusive, inhospitable, greedy, and unsympathetic behavior of its citizens towards visitors, widows, the poor and other disadvantaged persons. Liberals often interpret Genesis 19 as condemning homosexual rape simply because it is rape. It would then be consistent with Deuteronomy 22:25-29 which condemns heterosexual rape. The passage does not impact on consensual homosexual activities between consenting adults, and is totally unrelated to loving, committed, same-sex relationships, civil unions and marriages. Most religious liberals are are faced with the inescapable and rather surprising conclusion that the condemned activities in Sodom probably had nothing to do with sodomy -- i.e. anal sex. As one Christian editor wrote: "To suggest that Sodom and Gomorra is about homosexual sex is an analysis of about as much worth as suggesting that the story of Jonah and the whale is a treatise on fishing.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibg.htm
July 19th, 2006 at 8:39 pmWould anyone of the 'Intelligent' Design Bible literalists running around please explain the intelligent design of the following:
-male nipples
-the human appendix
-the coccyx (tail bone) in tail-free humans
-the 'backward' human eye
-the engineering nightmare of the human skeletal system
-pseudogenes (genes that exist but do absolutely nothing)
-the fact that chimpanzees and humans are 96.4% genetically identical including having the same pseudogenes
We'll start there...
July 19th, 2006 at 8:40 pmunbelieveable,
I believe the wacko sheeple are gone.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:42 pmI believe the wacko sheeple are gone.
Comment by Bar/Neil — July 19, 2006 @ 8:42 pm
They'll be back.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:46 pmP.U.: The troll bs meter just hit tilt/off the scale tonight. A bunch of dead skunks in the middle of the road stinking up the place.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:46 pmOkay Bar/Neil,
You're a progressive conservative (or did I miss that post), whether you like it or not. Otherwise, you are just one big liar, here to get a rise, waste time, etc. I'd rather think the former, and you are in Texas aren't you? (I am, and you sound 'familiar' at least...)
How's the Bourbon?
July 19th, 2006 at 8:47 pmDieboy,
I'm from Georgia. That's how I know about Ralph and the open voting.
Bourbon's good although the liquor store idiot tried to pass JD off as bourbon when we all know it's really just whiskey. The other is all gone till the weekend.
You may recognize me from the Media Matters or Franken sites...
July 19th, 2006 at 8:53 pmHope you’re not too disappointed but I’ve pulled off the mask and will no longer be rebuking you or your little dog too…
Comment by Bar/Neil
Don't worry, Bar/Neil, you could never disappoint me.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:54 pmHoboy,
Sorry to infiltrate your sanctom Santorum.
July 19th, 2006 at 8:55 pmIt’s the “pusuit of money†and yes, according to that quote, I am evil. I like money.
I really like my money and I’d like to keep it.
Comment by Bar/Neil — July 19, 2006 @ 7:46 pm
Wrong, it's not "pursuit": here is the quote from I Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some have been led astray from the faith in their greed, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Oh, and another one: For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? (Mark 8:36)
Oh, and lastly, this: "The devil then took him to a lofty mountain peak and displayed before him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence, promising, "All these will I bestow on you if you prostrate yourself in homage before me."
At this, Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! Scripture says: 'You shall do homage to the Lord your God; him alone shall you adore.'"
At that the devil left him, and angels came and waited on him.
[Matt. 4:1-11]
So Bar/Neil: the radical right of the party you support, and perhaps even particpate in their subtrefuge, are easily recognized for what they truly are by Christians who haven't been deluded by false prophets (wolves in sheep's clothing).
July 19th, 2006 at 9:02 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Stupidiest stuff ever. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
July 19th, 2006 at 9:03 pmBar/Neil,
I'm glad you pulled off your "Bar" mask, and now I can pull off my "uber bitch" mask. What brought you to this site?
July 19th, 2006 at 9:05 pmImpeachboy,
I already admitted I was mistaken though I really do believe there is a translation that uses pursuit as opposed to love.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:06 pmBar/Neil,
I am as unafraid to insult your wacky beliefs as you are eager to insult evolved human intelligence and reason with your theological delusions and fantasies.
Frankly, the secular world has been too quiet for too long. I, for one, am sick and tired of religion. I wish the rapture was part real and all true beleivers were somewhere else. How about Iraq?
July 19th, 2006 at 9:07 pm134-
Those are some pretty Christian things you said there.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:07 pmRep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA): “I think God has spoken very clearly on this issue.â€
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Stupidiest stuff ever. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Comment by Juan C — July 19, 2006 @ 9:03 pm
Why do the craziest ones live in my state? Sheesh...
July 19th, 2006 at 9:07 pmthat should be "BELIEVERS"
July 19th, 2006 at 9:08 pmImpeachcheneythenbush, Bluedog49, other liberal Christians
July 19th, 2006 at 9:09 pmI'm happy to see you taking on the Christian right/wrong on their sacred turf. To have true religious freedom in this country and protect all of us with religious views, we need to keep strictly religious dogma out of policy making. But to be listen to, we need to speak our religious truth to their power at times. Thank you. I gotta go.
Frankly, the secular world has been too quiet for too long. I, for one, am sick and tired of religion. I wish the rapture was part real and all true beleivers were somewhere else. How about Iraq?
Comment by SL Aronovitz — July 19, 2006 @ 9:07 pm
Well said!
The longer that I am an Atheist the more I grow to detest religion. I was at a Trade and Industry Teacher's Conference the last few days, and I'll be damned if they didn't say 'blessings' at meals and talk about 'god' in some of the speeches. They make it impossible for anyone with a different belief to be represented in this country. And then they accuse us of being intolerant.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:13 pmZooey,
I was on the Wonkette site and followed a link... seemed too easy to taunt some of the folks here after reading some of the posts so I dove in to amuse myself...
It's pretty fun as far as liberal blogs go, though some of the folks here are rather thin skinned and tend to run rather that stay and fight/hash things out...
The Franken blog was more fun when it first started up but they've all assumed the same sort of myopia...
July 19th, 2006 at 9:13 pmSL,
What wacky beliefs are you referring to? The one where I want to keep my money or the one where I don't want the gov't sticking its nose into my business?
July 19th, 2006 at 9:16 pmI have much more respect for somebody who says, "I vote republican because of self interest and greed" way more than the sheeple who think they do it for 'values' and their so-called 'faith'.
Honesty is a virtue, even if you are admitting to being a selfish, money-grubbing narcissist.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:16 pmmost faithful,
Amen, brother. Though I do enjoy keeping my money with their help.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:17 pmWhy do the craziest ones live in my state? Sheesh…
Comment by unbelievable — July 19, 2006 @ 9:07 pm
They are right now building their personal arks...so they can protect eclesiastic rapists, Vatican´s financial gangsters including the biggest of them: the Pope, religious crooks and shitless guys like Bar/Neil with the few bucks he must have, from the next diluvian (?).
July 19th, 2006 at 9:18 pmgod didn't know that bats are not birds?
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
DEU 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:22 pmDEU 14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
DEU 14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
DEU 14:14 And every raven after his kind,
DEU 14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
DEU 14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
DEU 14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,
DEU 14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
Stop trying to shove your God's mean-spiritedness down my throat. Unlike your God, my God is loving and tolerant.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:23 pmMAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Astromical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from anyplace. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:23 pmWell, which is it?
Ps.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."
Isa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."
July 19th, 2006 at 9:25 pm"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11)
"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (John 3:13)
July 19th, 2006 at 9:27 pmMAT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:28 pmMAT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
MAT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
MAT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
MAT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
MAT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
MAT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
MAT 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
I don't want to believe in a god who won't let me eat glede.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:28 pmWelcome to BIBLE.COM...
July 19th, 2006 at 9:28 pmWhen second coming?
MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:29 pmApparently the libs in GA are thumpers too.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:30 pmThey are right now building their personal arks…so they can protect eclesiastic rapists, Vatican´s financial gangsters including the biggest of them: the Pope, religious crooks and shitless guys like Bar/Neil with the few bucks he must have, from the next diluvian (?).
Comment by Juan C — July 19, 2006 @ 9:18 pm
So that's why they aren't worried about melting the entire polar ice caps.... :)
July 19th, 2006 at 9:31 pmHey unbelievable, remember, there's a debate about global warming. Just ask the cannibal polar bears racing to extinction.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:33 pmI'm pointing out the contradictions. If you don't see that these are proof that the Bible contains them, then I understand why you buy into the nonsense of invisible idols and talking donkeys, unicorns, and incest. Delusional.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:34 pmTHe polar bears are not going extinct. THey're just being transported to the island on Lost.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:35 pmHey unbelievable, remember, there’s a debate about global warming. Just ask the cannibal polar bears racing to extinction.
Comment by Wilco — July 19, 2006 @ 9:33 pm
Can't explain the intelligence behind male nipples so you're trying to change the subject?
This one is about the hypocrisy of the "religious" Right.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:37 pmDude, talking donkeys DO exist. Haven't you seen "Gumby"? Or John Elway?
July 19th, 2006 at 9:38 pm[Isaiah 34:7] "And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness."
July 19th, 2006 at 9:38 pmmmmmmmmmmm... faaaaaaaat duuuuuust........
July 19th, 2006 at 9:39 pmLighten up! I'm joking! Take it easy. See, I made the comment because Polar bears are losing their natural habitat due to global warming, meaning there's less access to delicious baby seals, meaning they're turning on themselves, meaning they'll be wiped out (per a recent report) by 2050.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:40 pmI'm not a dude... And well, I'm sure you're more literal of a talking ass...
[Isaiah 35:7] "And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes."
July 19th, 2006 at 9:40 pmMaybe God killed the dirty heathen unicorns? Maybe they supported the gay agenda. Filthy gay unicorns.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:42 pmOkay, I'll bite...
unbelievable, please prove to me that unicorns and dragons have never existed in the history of the earth.
Please prove to me with irrefutable documented facts that they have never existed.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:42 pmBar/Neil watches "LOST" ? That explains a lot.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:43 pmWilco,
You're trying to change the subject. We know how you neocons work.
If anyone needs to lighten up it is you.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:43 pmWhy are you getting nasty? Why the name calling? You're being ridiculous. Because I'm not as serious you (but agree completely with you) then I'm a talking ass? Or are you saying I must be hung like a mule?
July 19th, 2006 at 9:44 pmAnd how exactly am I a neocon?
July 19th, 2006 at 9:45 pmPlease prove to me with irrefutable documented facts that they have never existed.
Comment by Bar/Neil — July 19, 2006 @ 9:42 pm
Don't be asinine. You cannot prove a negative.
Explain male nipples.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:45 pmWilco - Lighten up! I was joking!
July 19th, 2006 at 9:46 pmOK. It's often hard to tell. I've been called a racist on here! Some people on here are out of their minds, frankly. Unfortunately, sarcasm doesn't work so well on here.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:48 pmAnd I apologize for the excessive use of the word "here" here.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:48 pmWe have all of the political shows on Comedy Central, so that should be a bit of a tip about which side of the fence is humorous...
July 19th, 2006 at 9:50 pmHey. Have you not watched Tucker Carlson? He's the epitomy of hilarity. At least he was until he got rid of the bowtie.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:51 pmTucker Carlson makes my eyes bleed....
July 19th, 2006 at 9:53 pmCome on. I know you think he's hot. Bar does.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:53 pmHot? As in a red hot poker to the eyes?
July 19th, 2006 at 9:56 pmHey, Jesus loves him. Isn't that enough for you?
July 19th, 2006 at 9:57 pmBar/Neil
Welcome. We need to be livened up a bit. The "Bar" routine was truly inspired.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:57 pmTucker Carlson got cranky, as well as stupid, since his neck got too fat for his propeller.
July 19th, 2006 at 9:59 pmUnbelievable,
as regards intelligent design, it is quite simple: God put those things there to fool us! Yes, He in His infinite wisdom planted all sorts of false evidence pointing to things like evolution; rocks that appear to be billions of years old, dinosaur fossils, even the speed of light indicating the universe is some 18 billion years old, when in reality He made the whole she-bang out of nothing only a few thousand years ago. Keeping us guessing is how He keeps control over liberals. After all, all science is the devil's tool. only blind faith in Him as expressed in His word as printed in His bible as interpreted by His chosen cadre of Males will allow the Saved to enter His Heaven.
And if you don't believe me, well, then, you're just doomed to go to hell. so there!
[sarcasm off]
July 19th, 2006 at 9:59 pmJesus? You mean the main character in the New Testament who cannot be proven was actually real? Yeah, that motivates me to find intolerant crybabies like Tucker Carlson attractive...
July 19th, 2006 at 10:03 pmWelcome back, unbelievable. Hope you were off doing something fun!
Good evening, Briseadh na Faire. Brain saturated with the law yet?
July 19th, 2006 at 10:04 pmSeriously, intelligent design can also justify the existence of all those things (fossil record, etc.) thru the creatures' actual existence. Maybe God just got the ball rolling with the primeval home run of the big bang. The earth is as old as science tells us; dinosaurs did exist; man evolved over many millions of years.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:04 pmSeriously, intelligent design can also justify the existence of all those things (fossil record, etc.) thru the creatures' actual existence. Maybe God just got the ball rolling with the primeval home run of the big bang. The earth is as old as science tells us; dinosaurs did exist; man evolved over many millions of years.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:04 pmSee? God thought that important to repeat.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:05 pmZooey,
I try. However, some of your breathren are truly exhausting, see unbeliveable.
She is just spewing hate with absolutely no wit or charm, not that I always exhibit these virtues mind you. Why do you suppose this is the case?
Why is it the libs/Dems/Progressives can't be more like Franken and seem to be more like Randi?
Goodness knows the Hannity/Rush model is effective but it's all just so over the top that it's just nasty and mean. It works on simple minds but not on a truly informed electorate. We're not gonna educate and the vitriol only reinforces their placement firmly in the GOP camp.
THoughts?
July 19th, 2006 at 10:05 pmAnd if you don’t believe me, well, then, you’re just doomed to go to hell. so there!
[sarcasm off]
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 19, 2006 @ 9:59 pm
If it means avoiding those folks from that Rapture Ready thread that was posted last week, eternal fire, demons and torture would be - well - heaven... :)
July 19th, 2006 at 10:06 pmMaybe God just got the ball rolling with the primeval home run of the big bang.
Comment by Wilco — July 19, 2006 @ 10:04 pm
Well, if creation is the premise, then who created god? And who created that creator? And so on?
Occum's Razor - the simpliest answer is usually the most likely. Zero gods or infinite gods? I go with zero.
"People will believe just about anything if you catch them early enough" - Jon Stewart (there is infinite wisdom in this - because just look at religious beliefs you find absurd and then consider why those who believe them don't. And vice versa. Cultural Indoctrination...)
July 19th, 2006 at 10:10 pmWelcome back, unbelievable. Hope you were off doing something fun!
Comment by Zooey — July 19, 2006 @ 10:04 pm
Work. It was fun. Thanks. You?
July 19th, 2006 at 10:12 pmBut there can be an uncreated creator. There necessarily must be, if there truly is a creator. The buck has to begin somewhere.
And to argue a point, how is zero gods simpler an answer than infinite gods? If talking about gods....
July 19th, 2006 at 10:15 pmThen it's easy to argue in favor of 26 against 2600, or 12 instead of 50 or 3 instead of 4.
I am not spewing hate. Just facts and jokes... I'm not a terribly serious person.
But, hey, if you don't have an answer to my ID question, and need to hide behind your misinterpretations of my posts, then, well, you'll be only fooling yourself in thinking that it isn't transparent.
It is you who assigns tone. If you pick the wrong one, it's not my bad...
July 19th, 2006 at 10:15 pmI just don't think it makes sense to try to argue through it. Religion isn't reasonable. It's faith-based. There is no proof of god, there is no proof against god.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:17 pmBut if there is a god, then explain Yahoo Serious.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:19 pmunbelievable,
Why do frame is as zero or infinite? Is it because that make's your predetermined answer sound more profound or because you have a very shallow understanding of the concept? See, I present you with two unlikely choices and you are forced to choose.
Seriously, your dimestore philosophy crap that you learned in a survey course at Gwinnett CC is embarassing to your "team."
Wanna try again or are you gonna change the subject when called on you intellectual shortcomings, again?
July 19th, 2006 at 10:20 pmBut there can be an uncreated creator.
Not if creation is your premise for existence... If all things exist through creation, then uncreated thingsare not logical.
However, if evolution is the premise, then it works with the reality that the universe evolved. Logically, it is the better argument.
There necessarily must be, if there truly is a creator. The buck has to begin somewhere.
Except that you then can't use creation as a method for existence.
And to argue a point, how is zero gods simpler an answer than infinite gods? If talking about gods….
Well, because zero is simplier (less) than infinite anything. Not just gods or stars or doorknobs...
Then it’s easy to argue in favor of 26 against 2600, or 12 instead of 50 or 3 instead of 4.
Comment by Wilco — July 19, 2006 @ 10:15 pm
Easy? Really? Okay... But it's certainly not sane :)
July 19th, 2006 at 10:20 pmBut religion isn't sane. Or logical.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:26 pmAnd you're arguing against one of your own arguments.
The simpler option: One creator or infinite (who created the creator who created the creator who created the creator)
Logic just does not work with religion. It is unreasonable. It is illogical.
Religion is itself a leap of faith. You can't see god, you can't hear god, you can't smell god or touch god (he's not a hugger). You just believe he's there.
Logic and reason are based on those senses. Religion is the complete absence of sense(s).
I just don’t think it makes sense to try to argue through it. Religion isn’t reasonable. It’s faith-based. There is no proof of god, there is no proof against god.
Comment by Wilco — July 19, 2006 @ 10:17 pm
Atheism doesn't claim there is no god. It claims that because there is no proof of gods, that we decide not to believe in any. No different than you, I assume, not believing in invisible leprechauns because there is no proof of their existence.
I find it interesting how people who are skeptical of most things they are told are willing to have blind faith in something highly unlikely.
Every person I know who has ever decided to question their own religious beliefs, including myself, found them unworthy of blind faith. I speak out for those who want to stop living in the shadows of the Religious Right. It is, after all, our right as Americans.
I guess, consider it a religion revolution....
July 19th, 2006 at 10:27 pmWilco is right. Religion is based on faith and those of us who don't have faith cannot believe the same as those who do. Some take the unexplained and say it's God's work. Some of us look for answers here on earth for our questions. Some believe in age old stories, long held beliefs and rituals of custom; others believe in science and facts. There is no proof that God exits - nor proof that he doesn't. That's the whole point of having faith.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:28 pmFor anyone, particularly a politician, to believe he knows what his god would say or do is exhibiting pride and I think Jesus said that is a sin.
Jesus Christ never uttered a word about homosexuality - it is only in the old testament - the one with the vengeful god who punished people - that we hear of these customs and practices that today we consider weird and funny. Christians follow christ, but they like to use the old testament when they want to enforce a favorite rule or law.
Work. It was fun. Thanks. You?
Comment by unbelievable
Took a short road trip over to Portland to see Zoo Sr -- doing well. I'm changing jobs on Monday, so I've been training the new zookeeper all week. I won't be able to get on TP during work hours anymore, since I'll working for the county clerk. Surprisingly enough, they frown on that sort of thing! :(
July 19th, 2006 at 10:30 pmPersonally, I think it's mostly because of cultural and ultimately familial tradition that people believe in the god in which they believe. It's rare to find a multi-faith family.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:33 pmWe find comfort in what we're taught. Mom has taught you that some big book in the living room has the Truth in it. Who are you to argue? There are a billion other people in the world who feel the same. The majority of people ascribe to some religion or another, so maybe there's something to this god thing, and then I suppose someone has to be right since these are all such different religions, and my family has taught me that such and such is right, and it feels right, so why not trust my feelings?
Or I could be writing out of my ass.
Seriously, your dimestore philosophy crap that you learned in a survey course at Gwinnett CC is embarassing to your “team.â€
Wanna try again or are you gonna change the subject when called on you intellectual shortcomings, again?
Comment by Bar/Neil — July 19, 2006 @ 10:20 pm
I dont know where she learned it but I am sure is not making me embarassed in any way. She has presented facts from your own religion...you havent said a coherent thing, yet. Well...something about your money and stuff...really profound.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:34 pm#245 unbelievable
July 19th, 2006 at 10:34 pmEvery person I know who has ever decided to question their own religious beliefs, including myself, found them unworthy of blind faith.
And you can count me in that group too. The more I tried to understand religion, the more I had doubts. I simply cannot take religion on faith - I have to have reason and logic. When others attempt to force me to change my mind, or force me to abide by rules of THEIR faith, I am offended. Certainly my government has no right to impose the religious beliefs of its politicians upon me or anyone who doesn't want it.
But religion isn’t sane. Or logical.
Hence my problem with it.
And you’re arguing against one of your own arguments.
The simpler option: One creator or infinite (who created the creator who created the creator who created the creator)
Actually, I'm not. My argument is that if creation is the premise, then there cannot be one god - or you cannot claim creation. That if a god is capable of just being, then so too is the universe. Therefore the version without a god is simplier.
Logic just does not work with religion. It is unreasonable. It is illogical.
Religion is itself a leap of faith.
Agreed. Completely.
You can’t see god, you can’t hear god, you can’t smell god or touch god (he’s not a hugger). You just believe he’s there.
Logic and reason are based on those senses. Religion is the complete absence of sense(s).
Comment by Wilco — July 19, 2006 @ 10:26 pm
So then why? Why give away the best attributes of being a human being - love, insight, charity, etc. to something else? Personally, I think that is a big reason people kill one another in its name. They miss the positive and wonderful qualities in others and themselves and therefore reduce humans to savages.
I refuse to give credit for your kindness or sympathy or hard work to anyone other than you. It's what makes you worth the effort. Whatever that effort may be. Does that make sense? It's late for me...
July 19th, 2006 at 10:34 pmunbeliveable,
You also claim that Atheism doesn't state that there is no God.
You and your friends are wrong.
Atheism does indeed hold as one of its central tenets that God does not exist.
What you are speaking of is Agnosticm. You are Agnostic. You aknowledge that yo can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a Creator. That is a central belief of Agnostics.
Again, your ignorance is showing.
My guess, and only my guess it that you were raised in a Church and are rebelling against mommy and daddy to prove to yourself that you're really a deep thinker and not like them. Get over yourself. Read a friggin' book and learn to speak facts and learn how to debate.
You're bad at it. You come across as a small minded hick from middle Georgia not the intellectual you've fooled yourself into believeng yourself to be.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:36 pmWay to contribute to the conversation, Bar. Personal attacks instead of refutation or, really, anything useful at all. Good job.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:40 pmWhy do frame is as zero or infinite?
The fact that you don't get that shows your ignorance not mine.
Creation means that all things have a creator. Go think about it.
Is it because that make’s your predetermined answer sound more profound or because you have a very shallow understanding of the concept? See, I present you with two unlikely choices and you are forced to choose.
Assuming the worst in everyone is such a cliche. Don't you guys have a better trick yet?
I have a very deep understanding, having been raised in a conservative Christian family. I chose to quit the team when I met reality. You should try it sometime.
Seriously, your dimestore philosophy crap that you learned in a survey course at Gwinnett CC is embarassing to your “team.â€
Unlike your side, we don't have a shared philosophy. It just happens that when you think for yourself, you come to terms with the fact that reality really does have a liberal bias...
And though I've never been to Gwinnett Community College, I'm sure it's more your side of the fence. It's very red (as in neck) in that part of the state.
I see it's okay for you to be the very thing you just lamented two minutes ago. So typically hypocriticalof you...
Wanna try again or are you gonna change the subject when called on you intellectual shortcomings, again?
Comment by Bar/Neil — July 19, 2006 @ 10:20 pm
You still haven't explained male nipples. Therefore, it is YOU who is trying to change the subject....
July 19th, 2006 at 10:41 pmJuan C,
She was speaking of the 14th century philosopher Occum and his postulation, simply put (no pun intended) that the simple choice is usually the correct one.
Follow the topic or keep your mouth shut and let the grown up talk.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:41 pmWhy are you so obsessed with male nipples?
July 19th, 2006 at 10:42 pmso why not trust my feelings?
You mean the same feelings that tell people that they are going to win the lottery Saturday Night and they don't? :)
Or I could be writing out of my ass.
Comment by Wilco — July 19, 2006 @ 10:33 pm
Sorry I called you a neocon. I thought you had posted as one previously.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:45 pm#251 - Once again, well said, Marie. The "faith" thing would never clunk into place with me. I kept feeling like I was committing intellectual suicide.
Disclaimer: Intellectual suicide are words I ascribe only to my own lack of "faith." I do not assume that everyone who has "faith" is committing intellectual suicide, it is a personal feeling. Thank you.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:48 pmunbelievable,
So, I see that I was correct in my guess about your past. Strange how that seems to happen...
Your inabilty to properly frame your arguments is not my shortcoming; rather, it is your's.
I am an agnostic. I know what I am and of what I speak. It'd be nice if you could say the same. I however, respect the choices others make in their belief systems to the extent that I do not insult them with the notable exception of you and your misguided belied that you are an Athiest.
What is your fixation on my nipples? As I understand it (notice how I frame this so as not to present myself as an expert on something I most assuradly am not) nipples develop prior to gender identification. This again show that you like to present false choices in your "arguments."
Try again. This time give it your all so I know that when I show your friends that you are not the "thinker" you claim to be I will finally be done with you and can call "NEXT" with a certainty that you will crawl back under the rock from whence you came.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:49 pmI always post as me. Unless I post as someone else.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:50 pmOh and I was that guy whose feeling told him I'd win the lotto Saturday night. But I think they must have meant THIS Saturday. Or I maybe had indigestion. I don't know.
Or I could be writing out of my ass.
Comment by Wilco
How does one accomplish this? I mean, is it easier to use a ball point or felt tip?
Ohhhh, you mean figuratively, not literally......nevermind. :)
July 19th, 2006 at 10:51 pmI'm tired...
Umm... sure, I meant figuratively. Sure....... Anyway...
July 19th, 2006 at 10:53 pmYou also claim that Atheism doesn’t state that there is no God. You and your friends are wrong. Atheism does indeed hold as one of its central tenets that God does not exist.
Do you tell everyone who they are and what they think, since clearly you know better than they do, or just people who don't agree with you?
Atheism does NOT have tenets. It's not a religion - but simply the lack of having a religion. It also does not say that gods do not exist.
What you are speaking of is Agnosticm. You are Agnostic. You aknowledge that yo can neither prove nor disprove the existence of a Creator. That is a central belief of Agnostics. Again, your ignorance is showing.
You really don't know what you're talking about.
Everyone is Agnostic. Some choose to believe (faith) and others don't (lack of faith).
I am an Atheist. I believe there are no gods because there is zero proof for gods. Same as I don't believe in invisible unicorns who talk to my 5 year old niece...
My guess, and only my guess it that you were raised in a Church and are rebelling against mommy and daddy to prove to yourself that you’re really a deep thinker and not like them. Get over yourself. Read a friggin’ book and learn to speak facts and learn how to debate.
You must be pulling your nonsense from the same place that IRI does. He said that exact same thing to me. He was also wrong.
I would bet a million dollars, if I had it, that I have read more books than you - including one version of the numerous versions of the Bible...
You’re bad at it. You come across as a small minded hick from middle Georgia not the intellectual you’ve fooled yourself into believeng yourself to be.
Comment by Bar/Neil — July 19, 2006 @ 10:36 pm
Well, I'm not from Georgia. You can't even get that straight... I'm not surprised.
The fact that you don;t get what I'm saying pretty much validates my intelligence. You're just not smart enough to get it. That's okay. It's why you need Jesus to love you, and I don't.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:53 pmBar is currently showing what one does when one can not argue substance.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:57 pmReligion is the complete absence of sense(s).
Comment by Wilco — July 19, 2006 @ 10:26 pm
So if Bush were religious he would have no sense at all?
But to know religion you would have to have knowledge of it.
Is knowledge a sense? Is thinking a sense?
Do you mean a lack of logic?
Or do you mean a lack or materialism and bias?
Nevertheless if we look into the old Hebrew and the esoteric kabbalah [The Qabalah may be defined as being the esoteric Jewish doctrine. It is called in Hebrew QBLH, Qabalah, which is derived from the root QBL, Qibel, meaning "to receive."] we find that their is a sense.
The Vis also some say is knowledge of the equilibrium..in effect a sense.
I'm confused about this religious non-sense [not a pun]
July 19th, 2006 at 10:58 pmWhy are you so obsessed with male nipples?
Comment by Wilco — July 19, 2006 @ 10:42 pm
Same as you.... (joke :)
It is usually the appendix I ask about. Male nipples are just funnier, I guess. Doesn't matter. The mouthpiece Bar has no answer. Why he/she turns aggressive and insulting. What he/she doesn't understand is because it has zero importance in my life, it also has zero impact and zero credibility... Just like it's zero manner s and ability to debate the issues...
I should go. Been a busy week.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:58 pmunbelievable,
Atheism
agnosticsm
NEXT!
July 19th, 2006 at 10:59 pmunbeliveable,
Perfect. Run away. Hide. Stick your head in the sand.
At least I admit when I'm wrong - it happens.
You are a perfect example of why the Dems will not win the WH again in our lifetimes.
Keep it up. Illogical arguments and lies only work for my side. You need to be better and since you're not, we win.
Again I say, NEXT!
July 19th, 2006 at 11:02 pmCongrats on the new job Zoo. Why'd you make the change?
I'll be around a lot less as well. My new job is a lot more work than the last one because it's a brand new school and has no program - and it officially starts Friday morning. But I met most of my new co-workers at the conference this week and they, as well as the administration, as so much more professional and supportive than my last job. I'm really looking forward to it.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:03 pmBar,
I will write more in the morning, but I have to go now. Not running away but going to sleep. I always return... I have nothing to hide.
In the interim, read this.... http://www.atheists.org/
July 19th, 2006 at 11:06 pmGod can not be experienced physically (via the senses), therefore can not be proven.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:07 pmNot understanding your meaning of "knowledge of the equilibrium," I really can't comment on it.
I wouldn't consider knowledge a sense. Nor thinking. What is knowledge but an accumulation of physical experience? What is thinking but the consideration of knowledge?
Religion operates outside of the physical senses, therefore is truly sense-less. It defies logic, therefore it is illogical.
But this is not to devalue religion. For many, life is too amazing to be completely explained by science. Religion is a natural expression of human inquisitiveness. Not being able to prove god doesn't necessarily mean there is no god.
From your site unbleivable
NEXT!
July 19th, 2006 at 11:08 pmGoodnight, unbelievable.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:09 pmMost of you are sad.
I'm gone.
Let the cheering begin.
I'll cheer in 08 when you lose again.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:10 pmI'm sad you're leaving. I'll miss you, Bar.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:12 pmYou're just so high school.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:12 pmGod can not be experienced physically (via the senses), therefore can not be proven.
In your form of religion this may be so. But to say God cannot be experienced is, to me, a misnomer. Thats not to imply that you are wrong, it's simply a different belief.
Not understanding your meaning of “knowledge of the equilibrium,†I really can’t comment on it.
Here's a link to the Kabbalah and the equilibrium of what I speak.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/tku/tku03.htm
However do not take this to mean I am Jewish, or a Zionist.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:13 pmIt's only a drop in the religious bucket so to speak =)
[...] God thinks these people are full of crap.  Think Progress has a video clip of members of Congress bloviating about what God’s plan is for marriage. I hope that their Democrats have a whole reel of these clips to run during the election season. [...]
July 19th, 2006 at 11:13 pmMost of you are sad.
Assuming facts not in evidence Bar...
July 19th, 2006 at 11:14 pmYes, from my website, validation of what I said above (okay, I'm really going now... no more refreshing the page... goodnight all!):
The Atheist says he does not know of any God; the Agnostic says he cannot know of any God.
G.W. Foote
Freethinker, July 7,1885
The Atheist is generally understood to be one who denies the existence of God. Now, to the Agnostic, who finds that to him "God" is an incomprehensible term, it does not seem rational to deny the existence of a possible something of which he can form no conception. To say "I can form no conception of Deity, therefore I deny the existence of Deity," is a form of reasoning which does not commend itself to the Agnostic, who knows that many things may exist which he cannot understand. He has no belief in such things, because he has no knowledge of them. Neither does he deny the possibility of their existence. He does not know.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:15 pmG. G. Greenwood
The Faith of An Agnostic
physical experience is a sense is not?
July 19th, 2006 at 11:17 pmI don't have a form of religion. And I'm trying to address it on a more universal level, whether successful or not, whether right or not.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:20 pmPlease, if I'm speaking in misnomers, correct me. If god can be experienced directly through the senses, then tell me how.
I understand belief that the leaves turning red every autumn is an act of god, or cool breeze, etc. But it is not direct physical experience of god. Perhaps I should have been more articulate and exact. People interpret physical experience all the time. Just watch a couple flirting. I can understand interpretting physical experience to be religious. But I can understand interpretting physical experience to not be religious too.
So, to what are you referring, that "to say God cannot be experienced is...a misnomer"
That was is experienced within manifests outwardly and that
What is experienced outwardly is manifested within.
I think this is a pretty fair statement wilco, and in the interest of finding a common ground, would you agree with said statement?
July 19th, 2006 at 11:21 pmWhen I state physical experience, I am referring to the 5 senses.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:22 pmIt's a pretty vague statement but is true, at least in my experience. We're shaped by our experiences and our experiences shape how we experience the world.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:23 pmIf god can be experienced directly through the senses, then tell me how.
I wish that I could, but I can't,
In your bible you will find that John the baptist states the number of God is the number 3.
John 1;1 Aetzi
Follow the 3
July 19th, 2006 at 11:26 pmI have no idea what that means. How do I follow the 3?
July 19th, 2006 at 11:28 pmGood luck wilco, I think you will find that what you desire.
Ask Aetzi for guidance.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:28 pmAnd Black Francis from the Pixies says that the number of god is 7 (perfection)
July 19th, 2006 at 11:29 pmMan is 5. The devil is 6. And the devil is 6. And the devil is 6.
Congrats on the new job Zoo. Why’d you make the change?
Comment by unbelievable
The time was right. Zoo Jr graduated high school, Zoo Sr is making a life in Oregon, and I'm bored silly at the zoo. I'll be working the felony desk in the clerk's office -- always sure to be a challenge. Probably won't look at most of the photo exhibits, some things are not meant to be in my brain. We're off to bigger things, you and me! We'll just have to shake up the evenings around here, instead of the days, Salma. ;)
July 19th, 2006 at 11:30 pmWho is Aetzi? Now it seems you're just pulling my leg. Will Aetzi help me find what I desire? Because 18 year old Vietnamese midget hookers are pretty hard to come by.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:31 pm3
Father son holyghost
Alter your logic.
What came first?
Chicken or Egg?
The third and correct answer is the shell.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:31 pmJust as a seed has a shell.
Where are you going with this? I haven't been this confused since trigonometry.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:33 pmWho is Aetzi?
John 1;1 the final (last) word
No I'm not pulling your leg.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:33 pmAetzi is a shell? How is a shell going to get me a Vietnamese midget hooker?
July 19th, 2006 at 11:34 pmSo you're preaching to me? "Follow the 3" = Follow Aetzi = Follow God
July 19th, 2006 at 11:36 pmOh, and there's no logical answer to the chicken or the egg question. No right answer at all. Unless you believe in creation. And then still who knows?
July 19th, 2006 at 11:38 pmTerrence & Phillip are performing Hamlet on South Park. Later.
July 19th, 2006 at 11:41 pmYou libs are something else over here on the propaganda website. You are all “unhinged.†By that I mean; it’s the word that covey's the LEFT, generally speaking, it emphasizes that the LEFT has long since come unglued, giving itself over to irrationality and extremism rather than reasoned discourse. Is this where you all come to hold hands?
July 20th, 2006 at 12:15 am[...] That, is, I did think that until this evening. Courtesy of ThinkProgress, it turns out that God spoke directly to some members of Congress to let them know that the Constitution has historically favored bigotry, and required that marriage be about the potential to procreate. I only hope that Congress will taker action to end marriages between couples unable to produce children. [...]
July 20th, 2006 at 12:20 amIs this where you all come to hold hands?
Comment by Frogcatcher
You're repeating yourself, dearest.
July 20th, 2006 at 12:23 amJesus is still a Liberal after all these years.
July 20th, 2006 at 1:40 amOh boy the Republicans in DC get more goofy every day > lol.
July 20th, 2006 at 1:46 amBob Herbert in "Leading to Low Ground".
July 20th, 2006 at 2:37 am[...] Think Progress: The constitutional ban on gay marriage was defeated yesterday in the House. During the debate, several right-wing congressmen revealed what God thinks about the gay marriage amendment: Rep. John Carter (R-TX): “It’s part of God’s plan for the future of mankind.” [...]
July 20th, 2006 at 3:18 amIt's amazing that God even talks to these hypocrits. It's all an illusion... they stopped taking their meds.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:12 amIt’s amazing that God even talks to these hypocrits. It’s all an illusion… they stopped taking their meds.
Comment by Coffins draped with flags — July 20, 2006 @ 8:12 am
Perhpas they should move to a desert country in teh Middle East, where apparently, god was once quite prolific and spoke to people all the time. I think the right amount of heat stroke necessary to hear voices from a burning bush doesn't yet exist in our country... or perhaps all this Global Warming has already affected a few?
July 20th, 2006 at 8:33 amThe third and correct answer is the shell.
Just as a seed has a shell.
Comment by Bob Satan [aka samael] — July 19, 2006 @ 11:31 pm
Here's an even wackier reality for you... There is no Santa Claus. Sorry. It was a lie.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:36 amWe’ll just have to shake up the evenings around here, instead of the days, Salma. ;)
Comment by Zooey — July 19, 2006 @ 11:30 pm
And Sunday mornings when the trolls are all at church...
Well, hope your new job is more interesting. I don't know how it could not be frankly... I'm sure you'll have stories. And I bet some of mine won't be any different :D
July 20th, 2006 at 8:41 amSo let me get this straight. Because a religious person is slighted by a Dem. (or believes they were) they will move to the most warmongering, greedy, racist, hypocritical, anti-intellectual political party? I give people of true faith more credit than that.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:44 amWho are these jerkweeks to even begin to think that they have an invitation to speak for God!!!!! What arrogancy!!!!!!!
July 20th, 2006 at 8:54 ami found some links about this stuff, more funny
I Am Proudly Anti-Cure and i like We Must Stem the Tide i am so mad
July 20th, 2006 at 9:13 amsorry wrong topic
July 20th, 2006 at 9:13 amthis one is more apropriate:
Bill Frist, Defender of Marriage
July 20th, 2006 at 9:15 amDrooling, superstitious freaks. They don't even know the religion they're invoking.
Marriage wasn't "part of God's plan" until 1215. Prior to that, married people were second-class Christians.
These Congressmen are ignorant of both the Constitution and Christianity. They aren't Christians, and they aren't Americans.
Dammit, we're at war with religious extremists. We shouldn't let this infection spread.
July 20th, 2006 at 9:53 am.
Some guy says that the consitution says that marriage is for procreation? Where does it say that? It doesn't mention marriage.
Al Sharpton said it best. Why not just mkae the Bible the consitution? Why not make the ten commandments law? Just go all the way.
You laid your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the constitution, not the other way around.
July 20th, 2006 at 10:20 amThere's a reason why homosexuals can't reproduce. It's not natural.
July 20th, 2006 at 11:48 amSome guy says that the consitution says that marriage is for procreation? Where does it say that? It doesn’t mention marriage.
Al Sharpton said it best. Why not just mkae the Bible the consitution? Why not make the ten commandments law? Just go all the way.
You laid your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the constitution, not the other way around.
Comment by Juke — July 20, 2006 @ 10:20 am
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Read Corintihians, Genesis, Romans, and the book of Mark. It clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. In the bible, the scriptures refer to Marriage as being between a man and woman. It also talks about divorce and when you can divorce. I can tell that nobody reads the bible completely on this forum. You only take out bits and pieces. And for the record, there is only one god (Jesus). Father, Son, and holyghost are titles, but his name is Jesus (My name is Daryll, but the title used by my nephew is uncle). Jesus is our Father, he's the son of god, and he's comes in the form of a spirit. You guys are taking things out of context.
July 20th, 2006 at 11:57 amRead Corintihians, Genesis, Romans, and the book of Mark.
Wrong. Genesis doesn't talk about homosexuality, compare the same story in Judges and Jesus' reference to it as well. Jerome got it wrong and it's still wrong today. Jewish law says you have to kill homosexuals, not just discriminate against them. So, if you're not talking about the death-penalty for homosexuals, you're not a serious biblican Christian. Finally, New Testament references to homosexuality refer to pederasty. If you can't tell the difference between raping a child and consensual sex between adults, you're too stupid to talk to.
Finally, marriage was not considered OK for serious Christians for over a thousand years. In that space of time, there actually was a rite of homosexual marriage called "adelphopoia."
So once again: if you take this position for these reasons, you aren't a Christian and you aren't an American.
July 20th, 2006 at 12:52 pm.
biblical, not biblican, obviously
July 20th, 2006 at 12:52 pm.
I hope God isn't dead, because the Age of Reason certainly is.
July 20th, 2006 at 1:16 pmI would bet a large sum of money that Phil Gingrey is gay.
July 20th, 2006 at 1:29 pmJesus is our Father, he’s the son of god, and he’s comes in the form of a spirit. You guys are taking things out of context.
Comment by Daryll — July 20, 2006 @ 11:57 am
My father was named Joe.
July 20th, 2006 at 1:52 pmWherefrom do those conservative morons know God's plan or will?
July 20th, 2006 at 2:03 pmDid God whisper it in their ears?
(Note: It is NOT written in the Bible, it's a question of interpretation.)
Oh boy, sometimes I get the impression that all Republicans and conservatives need a shrink or a new brain.
I think they should pass a constitutional amendment banning birth control. The will of God is procreation, and childless couples dishonor my marriage. If those legislators are God-fearing, they'll go all the way. Otherwise, they're just soulless opportunists.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:34 pmIf marriage is solely for procreation, then women that have had histerectomies shouldn't be allowed to marry. If men that had testicular cancer and had them removed, their marriages should be annulled. Men paralyzed from the waste down, women that are unable to conceive, women in menopause... bush's mom and most likely wife should be kicked to the curb, along with most of those slimeball congressmen's (no capitals because I believe they haven't done anything to earn them) because they are mostly all old and can't conceive anymore. That arguement makes no sense that it is solely for procreation. Had a vasectomy... nope, sorry no loving vows for you. If you've used a condom even once, the marriage should be thrown out. I thought vows were to 'love, honour, and obey,' not 'love in bed, procreate and procreate some more.'
July 20th, 2006 at 6:46 pmI’m happy these ignorant people are still talking about this. The more they talk, the more inane their comments, the more people get sick to death of hearing about it, the more people just say shut up y’all and leave gay people alone. Gays have always been the underdogs in society, and now with these bigots out in full force trying with all their might to put gay people down, sympathy is swaying toward gay people. Good people generally don’t like to see someone kicked when they’re down. Keep talking bigots. All you do is help the cause for gay people to finally win equal rights in this country.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:06 pmNovember targets?
July 20th, 2006 at 8:47 pmPat Robertson isn't the only one who talks with God....
Several politicians in the House of Representatives seem to think they know what God thinks as well: Rep. John Carter (R-TX): “It’s part of God’s plan for the future of mankind.” Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN): “It wasn...
July 21st, 2006 at 9:33 amSpecifics: regulate environmental issues, health care, investments, laws of course, and that’s pretty much it. Gov’t needs to stay the heck out of my personal business, i.e. who I sleep with and how, what I do with my body, how I spend my money.
So you vote for the party that negotiates against negotiating with drug companies for lower prices, deny the reality of global warming, the party of Enoron ethics, that wants to outlaw a woman's reproductive choice, decide who you can marry, is against personal medical choice and sepnds precious resources raiding medical marijuana clubs and prosecuting cancer ridden weed smokers and has redistrubuted wealth so that more of the burden falls at a micro level and this makes sense to you? No wonder you support the GOP.
July 21st, 2006 at 10:48 amIt seems to me these religious types are shooting themselves in the foot with all this "marriage is God's idea" talk. I'm willing to grant them that. If they want to say marriage is God's idea, that's fine. But, then, that means that marriage is a religious thing -- an establishment of religion, if you will. And we already have a contituional amendment about that: it's called the first: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." So, by their own reasoning, Congress should make no laws concerning marriage. Marriage, by their own definition, is a religious thing. The only thing Congress can pass laws about is civil unions. All language about marriage should be removed from all the laws of the United States, because anything else is in violation of the First Amendment.
July 21st, 2006 at 11:06 amThe statements and commandments these politicians are attributing as "Gods words" aren't the universal god. You will read in Genesis 31:13 and Exodus 3:18 right before the statements on marriage the politicians talk about, that this god states he is only a god of Bethel and of the Hebrews. This is not the universal god who rules our planet. Wrong god.
July 21st, 2006 at 11:46 amI know Ckerst at # 45 is right, because G*d told me the same thing!
She (surprise!) also told me that She sent Her only Son in order to explain that there was a lot of wrong sh*t in the Old Testament, and that people who really want to follow Jesus should just forget about the OT and just listen to what She sent Jesus to say.
LOVE, people. It's all about LOVE. It is NOT all about procreation and She tried to make that point by having Jesus love everyone and not one specific person. Tho Jesus DID end up (being human, after all) with one "special friend" and it wasn't Mary Magdalene (hint, hint).
Two rules, that's all there is, She said. "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you" and "Love thy neighbor as thyself."
This last one appears to be really hard for some people who call themselves Christian. But She knows whose hearts are true and whose hearts are false. And She doesn't care how often you go to church, either. She only cares about your sincerity and how you demonstrate your love for others in your everyday life.
She doesn't MIND people going to church. She especially likes the songs they sing to Her. And She realizes some people need constant reminders to stay on course. But so many churches have taken false paths away from Her and Jesus that She's concerned that people will actually lose their way by attending too much church.
And She told me She never managed to get through the President's numbskull, sh if Bush hearing voices, they aren't Hers.
And Bar/Neil? She says you need to undergo an attitude adjustment if you want to spend eternity with Her.
July 21st, 2006 at 2:53 pmPoverty, disease, tragedy and plagues on ALL inbred conservatives...
...God curse them, every one...
July 21st, 2006 at 7:04 pm#338 you asshole! You bigoted old giant queer. You call somebody who disagres with you inbred?? you who who espouse sodomy and all kinds of sick faggot sex?? what an asshole hypocrite, bigot, moron child molesting dirtbag you are. and pretty stupid too but I expect that coming from someone pushing faggotry. no wonder people hate fags and liberals.
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:23 pm[...] Lo que dicen los conservadores de EEUU que piensa Dios sobre los matrimonios homosexuales. [...]
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:53 pmI think these old white men are just psychologically bound to this kind of behavior. They preach about a "woman's Place" and "our" family values and gay people being nothing more than sexually depraved, psychotic second class citizens. I believe these men simply feel, deep down that the pedestal theyve managed to keep themselves on for centurys and position they have to controll minds, money and power are being threatened by people who choose not to live by their rules. Rules that serve to protect the white male's empire of alleagence and image of integrity in this world. A world in which they always stand to gain. Furthermore, reading statements like these make me wonder if these people even payed attention in history, literature and biology class when they were young. How many times has blind faith used by men to create a power structure proved to be nothing more than a hindrance on our ability as human beings to live more properously and become more educated about our world? The name of the game in the whitehouse today is Domination and lots of our people are submitting to that in the abused name of their faith. Is that a healthy, inteligent, pieceful way for us to live or our government to operate? I, for one, will not submit. Has everyone forgotten what life in America is supposed to be all about? This anti gay, anti research, anti womens rights (ect.) stuff is nothing more than religeous pressure in the name of winning steady votes and a subservient, ignorant population and shouldnt even be considered twice as law in this great country.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:59 pmI think we have a nazi in our midst...(heres lookin at YOU #339). Some people express themselves in a generally passive agressive way towards people who hold your rigid, sick beliefs, becuase they are fed up with the complete and utter STAIN on American history that these ideals represent and even moreso the outrageous number of people who subscribe to these completely dull whitted, outdated, regressive ideals, and scream them on the radio, TV and soapbox endlessly. Go kill yourself.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:20 pmWhat scares me about Congress is not that it believes it knows God's plan, but that it believes it has the power to implement God's plan. Worse, this hubris infects both sides of the isle, for don't progressive wealth redistribution schemes also figure prominently into God's plan?
You want to know what God's plan is? Talk to God, not your Congressman. You want to know how it's implemented? By laws? Nonsense. During a blackout, when the law recedes, what keeps the good people in their houses and away from the looting? Certainly not the law.
See, the trap in Congress' thinking and most of the thinking done on this forum is that law serves progress, that is, that laws can reform and unify the claims and obligations people undertake, thereby implemeting common future goals. Not so, for the claims and obligations people undertake now have much less to do with obeying current laws than with meeting current personal goals in a manner they believe just. This is why changing laws to ban gay marriage or recognize it will do little to advance the goals of common progress, however you constitute them, if people don't believe such laws just. Who came first, MLK or Title VII?
So, given that laws don't serve progress but are nonetheless the favored tool of this forum, shouldn't you be calling yourselves "regressives"?
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