Kristol Suggests People of Iran Would Embrace U.S. Attack, Triggering Regime Change
Kristol Suggests People of Iran Would Embrace U.S. Attack, Triggering Regime Change
This morning on Fox, Bill Kristol continued to escalate his calls for war against Iran, stating, “We can try diplomacy. I’m not very hopeful about that. We have to be ready to use force.†Kristol claimed the people of Iran would embrace “the right use of targeted military force.†He added that military force could “trigger changes in Iran,” causing them to embrace regime change. Watch it.
Kristol’s argument is a regurgitation of what he argued would result from the Iraq war. This is what wrote on the pages of the Weekly Standard in the days leading up to the Iraq war:
We are tempted to comment, in these last days before the war, on the U.N., and the French, and the Democrats. But the war itself will clarify who was right and who was wrong about weapons of mass destruction. It will reveal the aspirations of the people of Iraq, and expose the truth about Saddam’s regime. … History and reality are about to weigh in, and we are inclined simply to let them render their verdicts.
If at first you don’t succeed, try and try again.
Transcript:
KRISTOL: We have to be ready to use military force against Iran, if it comes to that. Think what this crisis would be like given what we now know about the Islamic Republic of Iran, its regime, its recklessness, its close, close ties to terrorist groups. Think what the world wore would be like with an Iran with nuclear weapons. This is a very interesting moment in that respect. You know? We are in a way lucky that Iran has revealed its aggression, its recklessness, its terror ties before they succeeded in becoming a nuclear power. We have to stop them from getting nuclear weapons. We can try diplomacy. I am not hopeful about that. We have to be ready to use force.
QUESTION: You know, the down side, though, you know very well, to all of that being that we’re involved in Iraq and Afganistan. Also that Iran is much different than Iraq. It’s huge and more formidable.
KRISTOL: It is, but also the Iranian people dislike their regime. I think they would be – the right use of targeted military force — but especially if political pressure before we use military force – could cause them to reconsider whether they really want to have this regime in power. There are even moderates – they are not wonderful people — but people in the government itself who are probably nervous about Ahmadinejad’s recklessness.
This is why standing up to Iran right now is so important. They’re overreached. They and Hezbollah have recklessly overreached. They got cocky. This is the moment to set them back. I think a setback to Hezbollah could trigger changes in Iran. People can say, wait a second, what is Ahmadinejad doing to us. We’re alone. The Arab world is even against us. The Muslim world is against us. Let’s reconsider this reckless path that we’re on.
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We dislike our regime too. It doesn’t mean that we’re hoping that China invades us to give us a new one.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:18 pmDoesn’t his perfect record of being perfectly wrong eliminate the need for anyone to listen to him anymore, let alone comment on his rantings?
July 19th, 2006 at 12:18 pmOh goody. More roses thrown at the feet of our liberators.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:19 pmAnd will they treat us as liberators?
July 19th, 2006 at 12:19 pmLets see we haven’t completed the mission in Afghanistan, Iraq is a turning into a bloody mess. What are we to do? I know lets attack Iran.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:21 pmAre neo-cons gearing up for another “cake walk” in the Middle East, one where people are going to welcome the troops with open arms, throw sweets and flowers as they walk by?
I seem to remember that was the story line during the run up to the invasion of Iraq.
We all know how that one turned out.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:21 pmI LOVE WAR!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111
July 19th, 2006 at 12:21 pmHe gets away with spewing this garbage because the Democratic party has failed at informing Americans about PNAC.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:21 pmDoes anyone other than Fox News Agency Tass give air time to this blathering idiot?
July 19th, 2006 at 12:21 pmalright you bastard, you start. we’ll parachute you into tehran - let us know how it goes and if the girls kiss you and the people throw flowers.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:22 pmyou were much funnier when you did the oscars…
Fox News has done it! They’ve created a time machine, I feel like it’s late 2002, early 2003 all again. Someone call Doc Brown!
July 19th, 2006 at 12:24 pm#9 - No, he’s a paid Fox commentator.
et al - There is a Iranian reform movement with a strong influence internally.
Kristol is wrong. An overt military strike would likely bring out the nationalistic side of Iranians.
On the otherhand, we should be supporting, covertly, an internal revolution. When they have built the critial mass of support and go military themselves, we can be there to support them. We cannot lead the way.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:26 pmWe need regime change in our news media starting at Fox.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:26 pm#12: It’s interesting that Bill Kristol is still treated by the mainstream media as someone with credibility, while the people who warned us that the Iraq adventure was a bad idea are still marginalized.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:27 pmI agree with Chase on this issue. Help support the internal movement, that wants to see reform. I remember not to long ago, the was thaw in US-Iran relations. I don’t think on average that your Iranian on the street likes the regime in charge. However with an outside threat, the US and Isreal, and a strong nationalistic president; the people will line up behind their leader case of attack.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:29 pm#1 right on - you’d think this would make sense to normal people and then you’d think that the iraq experience would convince normal people that it’s for real. this fascist thinks he hasn’t found the right country and wants to keep going until he does. israel thinks enough bombs will bring out the flowers. jesus h christ - these people are insane!
July 19th, 2006 at 12:29 pmWhoops. I didn’t mean for my last comment to be directed to #12.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:30 pmOn the otherhand, we should be supporting, covertly, an internal revolution. When they have built the critial mass of support and go military themselves, we can be there to support them. We cannot lead the way.
This is exactly the kind of wolly thinking that has resulted in millions of deaths in the past. The US and the EU should be openly leading by example. No covert operations, that simply exposes those who champion democracy as the cynical scum they currently are. Or at least are currently led by.
The EU has resulted in Spain, Portugal, Greece and recently Turkey embracing democracy. Plus the succesful integration of most of the former Warsaw Pact. Dialouge and negotiation WORKS. If that idiot of yours would only give it a try.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:32 pmThe people of Ira_ will welcome us with flowers and candy.
Can’t we just bomb the Weekly Standard instead? Maybe they have some flowers and candy lying around …
July 19th, 2006 at 12:32 pm.
I swear to god….neo-cons foaming at the mouth before our eyes.
Why is it that all these warmongers “had other priorities” when they were young enough to serve in the military? Bastards. Each and every one of ‘em.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:35 pm#18 - Ok, instead of “covert” operations, how about an open support of the Iranian resistance.
Start pumping in Air Iran 24 hours a day. How about supporting the student movement that has been recently brutally crushed?
I’m all in favor of doing this above the table, because I firmly believe democracy is ‘right’.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:35 pmKrazny - this is the whole problem. Why did the current “nutball” get elected as President of Iran? They had a moderate leader who was warming up to better US-Iran relations, but he was replaced by this hard-liner, so while there may be a large number of Iranian citizens who’d like to remove the current administration, it’s clearly not enough - and this is probably do to our actions in Iraq.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:36 pmMr. Kristol: Please spend a few days in Iraq talking to the citizens about how much they are enjoying the outcome of our efforts to save them. Then come back and shoot off your mouth.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:37 pmAre all these bastards crazy? What the hell does he think war is? HINT: War is not supposed to be for the profiteering of the military industrial complex and oil companies. Get it?
Take back the congress, impeach the Chimp and Shooter Cheney, and then we round up all these stupid chickenhawk warmongers and put them away, in Gitmo.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:38 pmI think it’s a great idea…it will take our minds off those other pesky little wars that are going on in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon….am I missing any other ones? You can never have to many wars going on. When are they going to stop giving these imbeciles air time? To many people still listening and agreeing with these idiots.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:38 pmWhy did the current “nutball†get elected as President of Iran
Yeah, it was a wonderfully free and fair election.
The council of clerics, who run the show in Iran, disqualified most of the pro-reform candidiates just prior to the election.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:40 pmLOL. Yeah, cause it worked so well in Iraq. Kristol is a total nutjob.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:40 pmBush doesn’t have the luxury of listening to neocon nut jobs like Kristol any more. The generals won’t put up with it. To even begin indulging Kristol’s crackpot fantasies would require reinstatement of the draft, and that isn’t going to happen.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:43 pmDon’t they think the Iranians keep close tabs on Iraq’s vibrant democracy ? All chances of the Iranians siding with Amerika are long gone.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:44 pmStart pumping in Air Iran 24 hours a day. How about supporting the student movement that has been recently brutally crushed?
I’m all in favor of doing this above the table, because I firmly believe democracy is ‘right’.
Comment by Chase — July 19, 2006 @ 12:35 pm
Well I’m in favour of democracy too, I’m just not certain any overt western interference would help. The problem Chase is that the formerly powerful voice of western democracy has become a wheedling, hypocritical whine. The very people we are trying to reach, are the ones that can best see the glaring hypocrisy of our position.
It is impossible to underestimate the damage that Bush has done.
We (by we I mean the west) need to get back the high ground before we start lecturing others. Plus, the Iranian system is so nearly a democracy (it is very similar to parliamentary monarchies, or South Africa under apartheid) that if left their own devices, they will likely morph into a full blown democracy in time.
Dropping bombs on their heads will set that back decades.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:44 pmWhat you are seeing from Kristol is an effete fool who’s theories have been proven false in Iraq, and unable to accept the fact that he and other NeoCons were WRONG. He would love to see us try this again in another country because to Bill, he couldn’t possibly be wrong now could he? He’s advocating this action because his ego won’ t allow him to admit that he and his nutbag friends are completely and utterly wrong. Sad and childish to say the least.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:45 pmI agree w/Solitaire.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:45 pmI think people likie Kristol and Coulter etc win when you put them up on your site.
Let them rant to the converted,but don’t give them a forum here.
They thrive n being confronted.Let them wither……
My version: We are tempted to comment, in these last days before all hell breaks loose, on Kristol, and Rove, and the rest of the fear mongering neocons. But the war in Iraq itself has already clarifified who was right and who was wrong about weapons of mass destruction. It has revealed the aspirations of the people who started the war in Iraq, and exposed the truth about the PNAC regime. … History and reality have weighed in, and we are inclined to listen their verdicts and avoid repeating past mistakes.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:45 pm#26 - what’s the difference? in the United Statess the corporate/christian coalition/lawyer mullahs decide who gets the $millions to be on the slate here. I see no difference in practice.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:46 pm26 - Chase - well, somehow the previous “moderate” President managed to get “elected” - why the change in attitude suddenly? Perhaps because the current “nutball” candidate ran on an anti-USA policy? I don’t know - I’m hardly a mid-east expert, but there was a decided change in attitude in the country.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:47 pmAsk anyone in the world where they would rather live, Iran or Iraq? Chase likes Iraq and I say go, and walk through the streets with your American flag.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:47 pm#26-Chase,
There is an old saying that one should tend to their own yard before commenting to their neighbor as to what they need to do with theirs. You should look to that wisdom before you continue to display your lack of such.
Iran is not perfect, but most certainly neither is the US. Who kills more of their citizens? That’s probably a toss up. Who is more of a danger to and wreaking more havoc on humanity? The answer to that is simple and undisputed, the United States of America.
Physician, heal thy self.
May peace be with us all.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:48 pmYes, but will they bring us “flowers and sweet cakes,” Billy Boy?
“You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.”
-George W. Bush, March 2001
July 19th, 2006 at 12:48 pmThere is a Iranian reform movement with a strong influence internally.
Comment by Chase — July 19, 2006 @ 12:26 pm
at least there WAS one, until dubya threatened the country as part of the “axis of evil”, and so the people elected this “a-mad-in-the-head” guy (thank you randi rhodes) to protect them from the advances of the americans on their border…
what the hell would you do if threatened?
bush blew it.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:53 pm#30: This is a thoughtful post. I agree that the moral authority of the United States has been severely undermined by the war in Iraq, and we should be extremely careful about how we proceed.
A first logical step would be to reinstate democracy here at home. Ensure that there’s a paper trail for every vote, and a coherent process for recounts. Get rid of the voting machines, or make them tamper-proof. Aggressively prosecute and punish anyone caught trying to suppress voting. Severely limit the influence of lobbyists and large corporate donors.
I have to say that I’m skeptical that Iran is as close to democracy as you suggest. The current regime has a strangehold over the political and military infrastructures. But I agree with the others on this board–open military intervention on the part of the United States would be extremely unwise at this point.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:56 pm#21
Isn’t our pumping money into elections the reason Ahmadinejad is in Iran (2 million US dollars) in the first place, and Hamas in in Palestine (another 2 million to support Fatah, home of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade) ? Now we are putting 75 million into a campaign to affect regime change in Iran.
It goes to prove that insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. AKA current American foreign policy.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:57 pmChase,
If you believe in Democracy, then why are you supporting regime change of a Democratically elected leader in Iran?
You seem to be supporting a rehash of exactly what the US did in Guatemala, Chile, Zaire, and others: using covert operations to overthrow a democratically elected leader and install a puppet dictatorship, which oppresses the people and eventually leads to either decades of civil war or a socialist revolution. And, oh, yeah - didn’t we do this in Iran once before too??
Answer this, if you think regime change of democratically elected leaders is good: name one time that the US has done one of these covert regime changes, and it has resulted in a democratic government with respect for the human rights of its people. Just one. We’ve done plenty of covert regime changes, so you must have ONE example of a success.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:57 pm#37
Who kills more of their citizens? That’s probably a toss up.
Actually it’s not. According to Amnesty International - 2005:
Oh this includes a few who were executed by the state for being homosexuals.
Who is more of a danger to and wreaking more havoc on humanity? The answer to that is simple and undisputed, the United States of America.
Not accroding to the opinion of the world. From “World Public Opinion” -
July 19th, 2006 at 12:58 pmThis is the exact same rationale for violence that terrorists use.
The idea that you can attack an institution, expose “weakness”, and then “trigger change” is exactly what terrorists try to do when they blow themselves up in the town marketplace. They believe that the population has been infected with immorality that goes against the Koran, and if they blow themselves up in public, this will somehow “wake up” the population; they’ll be shocked and awed into seeing what has become of them, and demand a reversal in government policy.
So here we have Kristol claiming the exact same thing— use violence and military force in hopes that it will expose bad government and the people will have no choice but to demand regime change. You tell me the difference.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:58 pmOf Course he repeats the same deluded things.
Kristol does not have knoweldege of the equilibrium, though perhaps some may think he does.
I find him to be repulsive not because of his religion but his supremacist viewpoints. Kristol is a large part of this neo-con cabal of organized hypocrisy.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:00 pmTo even begin indulging Kristol’s crackpot fantasies would require reinstatement of the draft, and that isn’t going to happen.
I’m not so sure anymore…but I am sure that it would be the single most issue that would IGNITE the apathetic.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:00 pmBush Cabal:
This time we swear to God
War with Iran will pay for itself in oil profits,
We will be greeted as liberators,
It will take no more than 6 months,
We know exactly where their WMDs are located
An Iranian democracy will spread democracy in the Middle East
Democracies never fight each other
That’s the same guy, stealing the same vase, the media just shows it over and over. There’s no insurgency
The insurgency is in their last throes
We’re spreading freedom
Isn’t insanity defined as doing the same thing, but expecting a different outcome each time?
July 19th, 2006 at 1:01 pm#45 - Quick test - what’s his religion?
July 19th, 2006 at 1:03 pm#43 - thank god for Iran knocking Uncle Sam off that coveted #1 spot. Come on kim jong-il, get off your duff and blow something up!
July 19th, 2006 at 1:04 pm“U-S-A, U-S-A - we’re number 2!” - sorry that was my I-R-I impression.
So here we have Kristol claiming the exact same thing— use violence and military force in hopes that it will expose bad government and the people will have no choice but to demand regime change. You tell me the difference
Spot on. The neocon’s refuse to engage in any debate about terrorist “motives”, yet they get all soppy and touchy feely about “understanding” for Israel.
Lets get this context, Israeli actions have killed nearly 300 civilians. If we rightly dismiss motive, and examine outcomes, what is the difference between this and a terrorist that blows up a bus? Other than the obvious, that the Isreali pilot is in no appreciable danger while murdering the civilians.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:04 pmRemember,
Fox and Kristol are all the more popular because
elected Democrats support Fox.
Kristol ain’t shit without Fox.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:05 pm#43-Chase,
You may be able to fool yourself with false statistics and information from a conservative think-tank, but the world is not so idiotic.
You are certainly not a champion of peace when all that you seek is what to destroy and who to kill next. Examine your own dark conscience and you will find the evil that you need to conquer.
Peace.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:06 pm#43: I basically agree with the spirit of this post. I think it’s ludicrous to suggest that the United States is a more oppressive regime than Iran.
In fairness to the previous poster (#37), however, I have to say that the United States is indeed “more of a danger” than Iran, simply because of our enormous power and influence (military, economic, and otherwise). It’s very important that we use that power wisely. The consequences for acting unwisely are extremely serious, both for us and for the rest of the world. Opinion polls notwithstanding, the U.S. is a much bigger player on the world stage.
And actually, I knew that the U.S. was unpopular, but I didn’t know it was only last year that Iran displaced us as the most unpopular nation in the world. Things are worse than I thought.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:07 pm#49 - My point was
a. Iran kills more of her own people than we do.
b. Iran is viewed more negatively than the US by the world.
That was the claim above. I refuted it.
Of course we aren’t very popular. Success breeds jealousy. ;-)
July 19th, 2006 at 1:08 pmi was at my bank this morning, putting some money in a 6mo. CD…
in the guy’s office, i look up through the glass partition and see FOX news of the screen… i couldn’t help it - i told him that i thought it was a bad move, a bad message that his bank was tuned in to faux, even if the sound was turned off, thankfully… he saidhe had no control over that, fine… then we actually got into a conversation about the wars and politics… he agreed with everything i said - and i did reign in the rhetoric, considering the lacale - and even suggested that it wouldn’t matter who the democrats ran in ‘08, most everybody will NOT vote for these guys… just one of the comments he made that lifted my spirits…
i also gave him a very short discription of PNAC - he had never heard of it [as stated by Dwindling Neocon Army — July 19, 2006 @ 12:21 pm] and i suggested he do some homework on the internet… he wrote it down on a post-it and stuck it on his monitor… i mentioned the “need a new Pearl Harbor” and he connected the Twin Towers immediately…
gawd, we’ve got a lot of work to do…
July 19th, 2006 at 1:08 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 07/ 19/ kristol-iran/ #comment-679302
I refuse businesses that have Fox on their TVs and I tell them.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:10 pmComment by katy — July 19, 2006 @ 1:08 pm
I refuse businesses that have Fox on their TVs and I tell them.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:11 pm#40 : I have to say that I’m skeptical that Iran is as close to democracy as you suggest.
Well Jim, I don’t think they are THAT close, and they have backslide a little since Bush hove into view. Nonetheless, there is play in the system, much as there was in South Africa during apartheid.
Indeed as one poster argued, there isn’t a great deal more play in the US marsipan or breadsticks electoral process.
Once people get a taste of self determination, they push and push for more. Well generally it’s liberals doing the pushing of course. Ironic to think that the people that will probably widen the remit of Iranian democracy, are the kind of people whoBush and Co. would demonise at home:-) That is kind of funny.
The point is blowing them up will harden attitudes and allow the nationalists to get control, and rabid nationalists (proto fascists like the GOP) are always bad.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:12 pmChase the mental case, blahblahblaa, where do you start?
July 19th, 2006 at 1:13 pm#56: Thanks for your good work. What you did is far more effective than what we’re doing here on this comment board. Here we just try to out-clever one another, while one-to-one communication, done tactfully, can educate people and change minds.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:13 pm#52 - Ahahaha ahhahaha. Those were BBC studies. And the World Public Opinion project is an effort by by a non-partisan group.
No conservative think-tanks here buddy.
If you dont like the statistics, that’s one thing. But you can’t deny them by calling them cooked. Sorry, that doesn’t work here.
#54 - I’m not so sure the world considers the US more of a danger than Iran. I think that definately went into their “negative/positive” determination. You might consider it more dangerous, but evidently the world doesn’t.
#53 - Dr. Neat - Iran’s president was elected by popular vote, Bush wasn’t.
For a guy who lost the popular vote in 2000, he sure turned it around in 2004, after the Iraq invasion and won it by over 3 million. That’s impressive no?
And you’re proud that the US is only the SECOND most negatively perceived country in the world?
It really doesnt bother me. At least we have a thriving economy, unlike popular Europe. And we don’t have anything in the order of human rights violations that China has. All in all, we are ok. (PS - Let’s not get off an an economy tangent, at least on this thread).
July 19th, 2006 at 1:14 pmHere we go again dept……..they’ll greet us as liberators with candy and flowers and their oil will pay for it……..
uh, huh, uh, huh
just be sure to send the twins in the first wave in…eh?
July 19th, 2006 at 1:14 pmBill! Shut the hell up! You are an absolute idiot. We’d be welcomed just like we’ve been welcomed in Iraq? Please just shut the hell up!
July 19th, 2006 at 1:14 pmkaty - you’re an asshole. I will watch whatever I want whenever I want. But, thank you for exposing the left as the libro-fascist thought police that they are. If you weren’t such cowards, I would be worried that you would start ethnically cleansing the conservative movement. You PIG.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:15 pm#59: It sounds like we’re on the same page. The goal is not to fuel those nationalistic fires. A good strategy here at home, too, now that I think of it. Patriotism good; nationalism not so much.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:16 pma. Iran kills more of her own people than we do.
b. Iran is viewed more negatively than the US by the world.
i’m not certain that either of these comments are correct. For one, the US has sent nearly 3000 Americans to their deaths in Iraq. Surely that should also be counted?
The other I’ll have a squirrel and see what I can come up with.
Of course we aren’t very popular. Success breeds jealousy. ;-)
Comment by Chase — July 19, 2006 @ 1:08 pm
Really? What “success” would that be exactly, Iraq, North Korea …. ? People are not jealous of Americans, they HATE them because their government facilitates murder and mayhem around the world. It really isn’t that hard to grasp, and it’s completely logical.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:20 pm#62: I think that definately went into their “negative/positive†determination.
Evidence for this claim? It was a simple positive/negative poll on a country’s “influence.” I don’t think we can assume what basis people used to make this determination. Sure, some people might apply the “dangerousness” criterion. Others might have evaluated our economic influence, our cultural influence, and/or a whole host of other things. In my own travels my general sense is that people in many countries generally like Americans and our influence on the world, even if they don’t like our current administration. I’m not sure on what basis people evaluate Iranians, but I suspect it has a lot to do with how Iranians are represented in the media and through popular culture (i.e. pretty negatively).
July 19th, 2006 at 1:22 pm#62-Chase,
That’s a blatant lie, just a few clicks on the internet will expose your deception regarding the “World Public Opinion†organization. What a tangled web you weave.
As far as your statistics, you cite only “executionsâ€. You do not reference murders, or deaths due to neglect (Katrina), or indifference (poverty), or malice (healthcare), or law enforcement action. So my ignorant friend, quit staring at the tree and observe the forest before you. Iran is an amateur compared to the expertise of the USA. A dubious distinction indeed.
Now, if you want to review opinion polls, try the Pew Research site, or reference specifically the BBC sponsored research (although it is more biased than what is acceptable) that you claim to be referencing. You will be enlightened.
May peace be with us all.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:23 pmThat’s not how we elect presidents, now is it?
Are you really this obtuse?
Really? What “success†would that be exactly, Iraq, North Korea …. ?
I would say we are a successful nation. In terms of economy, freedoms, etc.
The real test: go around the world and ask people “would you like to move to the United States” and almost invariably they would say ‘yes’.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:28 pmIf America could be defined as a single person today he/she would be broke, deeply in debt, prone to violent behavior, plagued with delusions of grandeur, have a gambling addiction, have no moral compass, bi-polar, anti-social, lost contact with reality, a persecution complex, undependable, deceitful, insane? yeah, I’d say, etc.. Yup, I’m jealous. This ‘person’ should be in jail, for his/her own protection, and ours.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:29 pmThat’s right, Bill, we’ll be greeted as liberators , won’t we. As Iranians stand up, we’ll stand down. There will be some folks who want to cut and run, as the allies and Iranians die by the thousands, but we will stay the course! Just like how it happened in Iraqistan!
Please, just pull your your head out of your rectum, Bill. The cosy, warm little dream of yours is over. Your ideology has failed.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:29 pm#72-Chase,
An intentional misrepresentation is still a lie. Please cite the poll which supports your assertion that the vast majority of the world would like to move to the United States of America.
I suggest you re-examine your argument. Obviously it is not on solid footing if you have to use deception in order to support it. The evil you seek is within you and no amount of senseless blathering is going to gain converts to your “beliefs”.
Peace.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:33 pmb. Iran is viewed more negatively than the US by the world.
Knew that was bollix.
http://pewglobal.org/ reports/ display.php?ReportID=252
Moreover, even as concerns about Iran have increased, somewhat more Britons believe that the U.S. military presence in Iraq represents a great danger to stability in the Middle East and world peace than say that about the current government in Iran (by 41%-34%). In Spain, fully 56% say the U.S. military presence in Iraq is a great danger to the stability of the Middle East and world peace; just 38% regard the current government in Iran in the same way. Among America’s traditional allies, Germany is the only country where more people say Iran is a great danger than offer the same view of the U.S. military presence in Iraq (by 51%-40%).
Considering that both India and China, accounting for roughly 2.5 Billion global citizens, see the US in Iraq as a greater danger than Iran, it’s clear that a majority think the US is the real problem. I have to say, I agree.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:33 pmYou here kindness?
Anyways, of couse we’ll be cheered and showered in flowers!
God is on our side!!
July 19th, 2006 at 1:33 pmAuthor Daniel Ellsberg Says Government May Have Carried Out 9/11
July 19th, 2006 at 1:34 pmKristol should either be put under arrest for inciting WWIII, or deported to Israel for being a Zionist agent!
July 19th, 2006 at 1:34 pm#72: Are you really this obtuse?
Well, it strikes me that it’s not particularly “obtuse” to say that Bush wasn’t elected democratically. He would have been elected democratically if we had counted up the votes and found that he had more than his opponent(s). We didn’t do that. The votes were not counted. Indeed, the AP’s unofficial recount found that Gore would have won Florida if all the votes had been counted. That’s not democracy.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:35 pmThe real test: go around the world and ask people “would you like to move to the United States†and almost invariably they would say ‘yes’.
Comment by Chase — July 19, 2006 @ 1:28 pm
Very few Europeans would say THAT. No health care, social provisions and rampant gun crime? No thanks, rational people understand that sensible societies look after the disadvantaged. It’s really just enlightened self interest to ensure society has a safety net.
God the US? I wouldn’t even pass through one of your airports!!!
July 19th, 2006 at 1:36 pmWhy do obviously out of touch f*cks like this guy
still get air play? What asshole thinks that
“strategic bombings” would ever be embraced by
anyone? Once the collateral damage to infrastructure
and the bloody and dying starts to happen, it
will only steel the population against the
agressor(s).
Inept moron. Just stay off TV.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:36 pmOn the otherhand, we should be supporting, covertly, an internal revolution. When they have built the critial mass of support and go military themselves, we can be there to support them. We cannot lead the way.
Comment by Chase
July 19th, 2006 at 1:37 pm—————
…we,we,we,all the way home…
chickenhawk
I would be worried that you would start ethnically cleansing the conservative movement.
wha da heck…?
The conservative movement IS about ethnics.
They hate blacks, mexicans, arabs, muslims, chinese, japanese and russians….the list is long.
Sounds to me like the conervative movement is exactly that what you deny it to be. The fundie neo-con theocrats are all about the ethnic cleansing of the world.
You have taken on the personality of the hitler youth baby skull sucker and you seem to have become a member of the ‘devil race’ itself.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:38 pm#75 - No poll. Just a gut thought.
Do you think most people in Africa would say “eh, no thanks”. What about Mexico? What about Asia? Nah, no thanks, we’ll stay here in the backwater, eating bugs. We don’t like having jobs, making money, having freedoms.
#76 - Good survey, but limited. The question posed is even less applied to the claim above.
This is a dumb argument. Iran is not a threat. Is that what you think? Dipshit.
What’s up with the idiots today. Where are the slightly less dumb among you?
July 19th, 2006 at 1:39 pm“Who is more of a danger to and wreaking more havoc on humanity?”
“With Iran included in this year’s poll, it has displaced the US as the nation with the most countries giving it a negative rating.”
Chase - I assume that it’s great for the U.S. now that we are rated the SECOND most dangerous country, instead of the top rated previously? WOW…that’s some terrific selling point!
July 19th, 2006 at 1:39 pmOK, here are some questions for all:
How many troops would we be sending to the border between Iraq and Iran?
How many troops would we need in reserve to fill in at any of the other flash points after we attack Iraq?
What sacrifices will this president demand of the American people to support this war?
Will the amount of chest thumping going on now be enough to justify the deaths of untold thousands of our soldiers?
July 19th, 2006 at 1:39 pmI refuse businesses that have Fox on their TVs and I tell them.
Comment by Destroy the DLC — July 19, 2006 @ 1:11 pm
but maybe i have prompted a change… at least i spoke up…
July 19th, 2006 at 1:40 pmi got the medical clinic that i use to change from fox…
doesn’t hurt to speak up, explain the facts…
besides, i’m in a very red county in downstate illinois -
gotta keep on tryin’…
#81 - Bush won the majority of Electors. That’s how we elect presidents. Period.
#82 - So youre not an American?
July 19th, 2006 at 1:41 pm#89 - What do you have them change the channel to?
July 19th, 2006 at 1:42 pmhey 83! we already started that [it’s our culture] now if we could only get Paris Hilton to go there, we can ’shock & awe’ them. think south park’s paris hilton episode.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:45 pmKristol is off his lithium again.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:46 pmIf I recall, the NY Times and USA Today did recounts in ALL of Florida. And the results were the same, BUSH WON!!!!!!!!! Geez, he wins again easily (yes easily) in 04, and here we are in 2006 and this conspiracy vote rigging nonsense is laughable. Oh, public opinion polls offer “opinions”. I hope we all know what an “opinion” is. Just like I hope we all know what a “conspiracy” is……
July 19th, 2006 at 1:46 pmBush won the majority of Electors. That’s how we elect presidents. Period.
Sure, but it’s still not very “Democratic” by any means. I mean, why poll the electorate then?
July 19th, 2006 at 1:47 pmKristol and Richard Pearle are criminals making irresponsible statements based on half-baked ideology. They should be held accountable for their actions and statements after the regime is ousted.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:47 pm#85-Chase,
I cite facts and truths, you rely upon your “gut”. And then you attempt to dispute the facts with more senseless blathering from your gut? Your logic or, more accurately, the monumental lack of logic, is as absurd as it is disturbing.
Let me know when you choose to exist in reality. I will be more than happy to converse with you at that time but I will not participate in your current foolishness any longer.
May peace be with us all. (and, yes, that includes Iranians)
July 19th, 2006 at 1:48 pmI’ll tell you what is so wierd about BK, When he goes on Jon Stewarts show, he’s candid, he’s articulate, he admits goofs that bushco has done.
But put him on Phaux & he’s the kool-Aide drinker from hell.
I don’t think lithium is strong enough to correct his imbalance.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:48 pmWhat a thot ,whewwww lets just invade all countries and force them to lay down at bush’s feet.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:48 pmSen. Hillary Clinton yesterday told a crowd of Israel supporters that she agreed with every act of aggression by them against Lebanon, and she said we would attack Mexico if some thugs kidnapped a couple of our soldiers too? Hillary has lost her mind > she has even pissed off the Mexican people now! So according to Hillary if some drug lord kidnapped a couple of our National Guard troops, then we would blow up all the bridges in Mexico, and bomb their power plants, and their airports too? She is as crazy as Bush and unfit to be president in 2008!
July 19th, 2006 at 1:48 pmIs this guy for real? Does anyone know if this guy has children old enough for the military? If so they need to go sign up right away.
Why is it always the ones that are spewing this crap to go to war with Iran doesn’t have their kids over there fighting for us Americans. Maybe Kristol should go to Iran to live than he can see how the rest of the world lives.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:50 pm#55 - sure you refuted the point, don’t have an argument with that but coming second in the ‘worlds biggest bastard’ contest is no accolade.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:50 pmSuccess breeds jealousy? Success bombing the crap out of people breeds hatred, chase - sorry to disappoint.
chase - i don’t HAVE them change the channel to anything…
July 19th, 2006 at 1:55 pmmaybe i didn’t phrase that right…
but i DO let them know that fox is notorious for lies and false propoganda and shouldn’t be on in a public space because of the LIES…
last time i was in there, it was Oprah…
Hillary has lost her mind > she has even pissed off the Mexican people now! So according to Hillary if some drug lord kidnapped a couple of our National Guard troops, then we would blow up all the bridges in Mexico, and bomb their power plants, and their airports too? She is as crazy as Bush and unfit to be president in 2008!
I’ll second that. She is one crazy to even consider that kind of thing. If some nut job launches a rocket from Canada, does the US plan to trash the place? C’mon, this is so completely “one rule for the rich and another for the poor” nonsense.
#82 - So youre not an American?
Comment by Chase — July 19, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
Nope. Irish, living in Sweden, watching with disbelief as the US dismantles itself.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:56 pm#95 - To choose the electors… actually just read this.
#97 - That’s one thing I said, one, that I cannot support with facts (nor did I ever pretend I could). I implied that I believed most people in this world would move to the US, given the chance. Can I prove it? No. I thought I had heard of a survey along this line, but I can’t find it.
It was a gut feeling. That’s all. The same way 98% of the posts on here are just guesses, gut feelings unsupported by fact.
#101 - He in fact does. I think it’s pretentious of you to be “signing up” someone for war based only upon the positions of their parents.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:56 pm#75 - and that’s the reason why people distinguish between the american people and the government - they dislike america for denying by force of arms and free-trade neo-liberalism what they reserve for themselves. you’d have thought the slack the world cuts you americans would have given out after 2004 when you put the chimp back in for ‘four more wars’…maybe it will now in lebanon.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:57 pmI’m all in favor of doing this above the table, because I firmly believe democracy is ‘right’.
Comment by Chase — July 19, 2006 @ 12:35 pm
This reminds me of my mother’s advice that “I didn’t know what I was missing,” because I don’t like mushrooms. Try forcing mushrooms on a kid and see how much they like it.
Try forcing democracy on a sovereign nation and see how much they like. Whether you have deemed democracy “right” is neither here nor there. It is not our role to tell other countries what kind of government they must have.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:57 pmBrian you are lucky to live in Sweden > cool nation! TP editor lives there supposedly as well?!
July 19th, 2006 at 1:58 pmNobody wants to stand behind their words and answer these questions?
How many troops would we be sending to the border between Iraq and Iran?
How many troops would we need in reserve to fill in at any of the other flash points after we attack Iraq?
What sacrifices will this president demand of the American people to support this war?
Will the amount of chest thumping going on now be enough to justify the deaths of untold thousands of our soldiers?
I read a lot of how we should be whipping democracy on others around the world and how bad other governments are but the true logistics of your statements would require the largest amassing of military might and the deepest of sacrifices of all Americans (and any other country willing to join). who in these postings is willing to die for there causes as well as sending their children off to war.
The chest thumpers here nitpick and banter about symantics. The asswipe this post is originally about is pushing for the self fufilling prophecy of WWIII from the comfort of his hall of mirrors. He does not speak for me.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:59 pmUnited States to Israel: you have one more week to blast Hizbullah
The US is giving Israel a window of a week to inflict maximum damage on Hizbullah before weighing in behind international calls for a ceasefire in Lebanon, according to British, European and Israeli sources.
READ SOURCE GUARDIAN NEWSPAPER
July 19th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#103 - UCLA Pol Sci Prof study on liberal bias - here.
#104 - Have you ever been here?
July 19th, 2006 at 2:00 pm#89
I like vegetables and 8.5×11 paper.
Non-sequiturs uber alles, you f*cktard.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:01 pmA true wingnut!
July 19th, 2006 at 2:03 pmIf they plan on bombing or invading Iran I don’t think that the Director of Lessons Learned is earning her $100,000+ paycheck.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:03 pmBrian you are lucky to live in Sweden > cool nation! TP editor lives there supposedly as well?!
Comment by Jay Randal — July 19, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
Really, I had no idea. Sweden IS great. If only the whole world was run the way Sweden is …..
Health Care, Social Provisions, free education up to 3rd level. Capitalisim with the it’s worst excesses eliminated. The Swedes have NO idea how good they’ve got it. Mind you, Ireland has been doing well too.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:04 pm#1 - That is a briliant analogy. It points out how our policy is not only stupid, but arrogant. We already knew that, but now it seems even more arrogant. That must be because I’m taken in just a tiny bit by the idea that the USA can solve the world’s problems, and that it should solve them. Thanks for disabusing me.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:07 pmPost 114 Brian > what are the requirements to emigrate to Sweden? If Bush declares martial law, then I need a place to flee from dictatorship!
July 19th, 2006 at 2:09 pmIt is almost surreal how the neo-cons inside and outside the Bush administration are so ignorant and arrogant that they still want a full-scale war with Iran, even after the debacle in Iraq. Are the right-wing fat cats will ing to fight in, and pay for, this new war? I doubt that.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
The GOP House ignores the Constitution yet again. And are we in a jihad against Muslims? Yes, says a GOP Congressman.
Plus, Israel targets a UN compound in Lebanon filled with civilians.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:09 pmOnly on SSA Blog
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
#104 - Have you ever been here?
I think you mean 103. You seem to have the posts slightly out of sync, or maybe it’s me?
Yep, in 2000 and I loved it. I actually write in my Blog about how utterly my attitude towards the US has changed, been devastated by the horror of the last couple of years. Bush has at least thrown into sharp relief the utterly self defeating lunacy of nationalisim, that is the silver lining of his dreadful era.
I really loved the US of 2000, but now I wouldn’t pass through the place for fear of arrest and detention. Not likely of course, but no longer utterly impossible, so why run the risk?
July 19th, 2006 at 2:11 pmPost 114 Brian > what are the requirements to emigrate to Sweden? If Bush declares martial law, then I need a place to flee from dictatorship!
Comment by Jay Randal — July 19, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
I’ve no idea!! As an EU citizen, I can just arrive and buy a house, so we did!! Vive la EU!!!
July 19th, 2006 at 2:12 pm#93
Jim, forget about trying to convince liberals that Gore and Kerry actually lost. They have invented these conspiracy theories to help them sleep at night. You could hit them with the truth like a two by four and they still wouldn’t get it. They are like a bunch of mind-numbed robots. Maybe when they grow up and gain more wisdom and knowledge they will see the light.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:13 pmWell post 119 Brian > find out what the requirements are for an American to emigrate or to seek political asylum in Sweden? Nice you could move their so easily!
July 19th, 2006 at 2:14 pmHere yah go Jay:-)
http://www.migrationsverket.se/english.html
July 19th, 2006 at 2:15 pm#120 Randy
Well, sometimes its good to inject a little bit of “reality” on here every now and then, even though your right, people hear what they want to hear. Some of these conspiracy theories are WAY out there. Take Humanist for example, he’s pretending to live over seas!!!!!! Cracks me up:)
July 19th, 2006 at 2:17 pm#120-Randy,
The world could care less about your sophomoric political squabbling. You could elect PeeWee Herman and it really wouldn’t matter.
Please, just stop the murdering and destroying that you use your politics to obfuscate. You have become a nation of ignorant, murderous, and gluttonous malcontents. That’s your problem, not who is or isn’t your chief malcontent.
Peace.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:18 pmUnited States to Israel: you have one more week to blast Hizbullah
The US is giving Israel a window of a week to inflict maximum damage on Hizbullah before weighing in behind international calls for a ceasefire in Lebanon, according to British, European and Israeli sources..
READ SOURCE GUARDIAN NEWSPAPER
July 19th, 2006 at 2:19 pmOh yeah, baby, they’ll greet our troops with roses! Lots and lots of roses. No doubt about that at all. You go in first, Bill.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:21 pmPost 122 Brian > thanks that is exactly the information I need! I will not remain in the United States if Bush declares himself a fascist dictator despot! I would then be forced to seek asylum overseas, so Sweden seems to be a good location, with a nice socialistic type govt.!
July 19th, 2006 at 2:21 pm#123-Jim,
July 19th, 2006 at 2:22 pmPlease sir, name one conspiracy theory that I have suggested. And then cite specifically any claims of mine that you wish to dispute or challenge. You are neither qualified nor ordained to speak for me, please do not attempt to do so again.
Kristolnacht and his warmongering ilk can spew their Crazy, Bullshit rhetoric about their failed policy of hegemony under the banner of the stars and stripes that they’ve been dreaming about for decades now but it isn’t going to make a damn bit of difference. The Joint Chiefs is NEVER going to go along with another meatgrinder expedition in the sandbox. First of all, Iran has not suffered under a decade of sanctions like Sadaam had. They have a large, well-trained standing army that we could never go toe to toe with given the current condition of our military thanks to our fiasco in Iraq. Many would argue that we should just bomb them. That presents a whole other set of problems. Muqtada al-Sadr has already said that should the US attack or bomb Iran, he will order the Mehdi Army (the militia of ~50,000 heavily armed men who answer to him) to reengage Coalition (in particular American) forces in Iraq. For those of you who don’t follow the internal politics in Iraq, MANY members of the Mehdi Army are the very police officers and soldiers that we have been training for the past 2 years. Think it’s hard for our troops to tell who the enemy is now? This does not even begin to address Iran’s influence with the Dawa party and SCIRI (the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq) which, currently, control more than 70% of Iraq’s newly minted Parliament. Attacking Iran in any way shape or form would be the worst foreign policy blunder since…well, since we preemptively attacked a sovereign nation that had neither attacked nor threatened us. The only problem for Kristol and the other ghouls of PNAC is that the American people aren’t buying their brand of BS anymore though. He can spew his effluvium of bilous rhetoric all he wants; he’s still been nothing but wrong in the past and he’s wrong now!
July 19th, 2006 at 2:26 pm#128
Contrary to what you believe, I and everyone else here on TP (and I really enjoy TP) have the right to say anything they want. One of the great things of being an AMERICAN is our freedom of speech. You claim that America wants to take over the world. Got proof? Nope. No proof = CONSPIRACY….. By the way, what country are you pretending to be from?
July 19th, 2006 at 2:27 pmI don’t like George Bush but if Spain attacks us in a effort to forment “regime change” sign me up for the U.S. Army. What makes these peopleo think that they want there contry attacked?
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July 19th, 2006 at 2:30 pmThis makes me sick. Instead of taking a position of even-handedness and acting as peacemakers, our Congress approves of the disproportionate response of Israel in Lebanon….and that includes Democrats! None of these people have any real principles.
“Democratic and Republican congressional leaders are rushing to offer unalloyed support for Israel’s offensive against Hezbollah fighters, reflecting a bipartisan desire to not only defend a key U.S. ally but also solidify long-term backing of Jewish voters and political donors in the United States, according to officials and strategists in both parties. With Israel intensifying its air and artillery attacks on Lebanon and warning of a protracted war, the Senate yesterday unanimously passed a bipartisan resolution endorsing Israel’s military campaign and condemning Hezbollah and its two backers, Iran and Syria.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2006/ 07/ 18/ AR2006071801415.html?referrer=email
July 19th, 2006 at 2:30 pmJim, Chase and any other fitting their mold. It’s easy to throw out little talking points but they are only farts in the wind. What Mr. Kristol is pushing is for a massive and extensive military involvment the likes we have never seen. Are you standing behind what he is suggesting or not?
Are you OK with a military force of over 700,000 US troops being sent to the middle east and elsewhere? Will you stand behind the sacrifce af gas rationing? Is this a moral objective worth killing and dying for?
Answer these questions or just blather on in the mindless little chatter that you seem happy to gas out.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:31 pmWe would be greeted with flowers and sweets. Ken Adelman told me so.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:33 pm#123 Hey JIM, I’m too pretending to be Spaniard and live far away from the USA. Really, I live in your city and just now I’m watching you through the window, while you’re staring at your screen! Beware, the coffee jar is about to fall! Now, what are you doing without pants? And what is in the window you just closed? Yuk!
July 19th, 2006 at 2:33 pm#130-Jim,
Free speech is a beautiful thing and everyone should enjoy such. Attempting to speak for someone else, however, is not “free speech” but is deceitful and disrespectful.
Now, I have never claimed that the USA wants to take over the world, that’s your claim. I just expose your murderous ways and demand that you cease such. Quite frankly, you cannot even manage your own country so the “world” is definitely beyond your reach and capabilities. Your arrogance is what is blinding you there.
And finally, I am a resident of Earth. The third planet from our sun in this solar system. Currently it is the only planet in our solar system that is inhabitable by humans so I have to assume that we live in the same “place”. Your limited perspective is self-imposed, by the way. You really should expand your mind but, that’s your choice.
May peace be with us all.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:35 pmjustanobserver
I am against Iran having nuclear weapons. IRAN CANNOT HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. How do we solve this, I’m not sure. Iran has been given a deadline to decide rather to accept or refuse a deal that has U.N. approval. The ball is in IRAN’s court. Would you justanobserver accept a nuclear Iran?
July 19th, 2006 at 2:37 pmBill Kristol presents a clear and present danger to America. Could someone please rid us of this meddlesome pundit?
July 19th, 2006 at 2:39 pm#138
Funny, how you blast everyone who disagrees with you and then you turn around with your little “peace” slogan. It’s really funny. You forgot to say what country your pretending to be from?
And peace be upon you and your cows and fellow trees, or, however you say it….:)
July 19th, 2006 at 2:42 pmWould you rather we topple the Iranian leadership now, before it acquires nuclear weapons, or wait until it is too late? The death tolls will surely measure in the millions, not the thousands. If any of you think that the current Iranian leadership would not use nuclear weaponry to obliterate Israel and the West, you are sadly delusional. The world saw the danger Hitler posed years before WW II, but the ubiquitous peaceniks of the time made similar arguments as those posted today. Sure, the majority of the world is all for love and peace, but wake up and smell the cafe latte — it takes only one Hitler to push the world toward oblivion. I know it is fashionable and trendy to call Bush a Nazi, but if you can divert your hatred for one moment, you will see a true Nazi and he’s not American, he’s Iranian and he wants The Bomb. He does not mince his words. He’s telling us exactly what he intends to do us once he has his weaponry. Do we have the will to stop him now before he fulfills his promise? Will the peaceniks once again lead us down the path of least resistance until the inevitable happens? Do not delude yourself — the Islamic extremists want us all dead. Rather than an all-out war, perhaps merely taking out the leadership is all we need to do (which would have averted WW II had Hitler and his cronies been assassinated). Anything short of that will surely lead to war — either now, or after they have acquired nuclear weapons.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:42 pm#137
Are you and Humanist roomates?
July 19th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#143 Nah, we are both heterosexual males and live in different countries. We don’t fit in your hot fantasies.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:47 pm[…] Bill Kristol on FOX has claimed that Iranians would welcome a US invasion with open arms. Hmmn…where have I heard that before? Oh yeah…he said the same thing about Iraq. […]
July 19th, 2006 at 2:48 pm#141-Jim,
Peace is not an amusing “slogan”, but is a sophisticated concept and is the ultimate goal for any intellectual, compassionate, and advanced society. I see now why it escapes you.
And I keep answering your question but you seem too obtuse to understand, so I will make it simple. Step out of your house, apartment, or cave, look forward, and then rotate around 360 degrees. Now, what you just saw is where I am “from” and where I “live”. I hope that was simple enough for you.
Peace.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:48 pmHow would you stop Iran commentbyjim?
I don’t think we can. They can do it all w/o having to buy anything on the international market, so no ability to stop them there.
Do you think bombing the hell out of them will stop them? Then, they’ll just build their refinement labs into a mountain. Some reports say they’ve already done this. Invade them?
I think we don’t have a choice. We can either kill too many people to enforce our will, or we can accept them into the nuclear club. Do I want them in the nuclear club? No, but i think the alternatives are far worse.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:48 pmWhy does this crazy man have so much influence and power. A definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. This insane guy (I do mean INSANE!), and his INSANE partners are litererally INSANE! and they are in charge! Do they represent the will of the majority of the people in this country? Something is happening here and we don’t know what it is…… no wait we do know…. we are watching the dismantleing of the US as we have known it. It is being looted before our very eyes by these very INSANE and GREEDY people who want all the toys.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:52 pmWould you rather we topple the Iranian leadership now, before it acquires nuclear weapons, or wait until it is too late?
Comment by Redbone — July 19, 2006 @ 2:42 pm
Interesting, this rant is almost word for word what we were told about Iraq -down to the Hitler reference- when the Bush administration was advocating their “pre-emptive strike” doctrine.
Fool me once…
July 19th, 2006 at 2:55 pm[…] willfully ignorant or dumbass or both and more? […]
July 19th, 2006 at 2:56 pmKristol should sentenced to spend the rest of his life on a desert island with Ann Coulter, a jar of chili oil and a strap-on dildo.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:56 pm139 JIM you didn’t answer any of the questions. Iran does not have nuclear weapons at this time and is years away from obtaining them. The prospects for negotiations with them are still quite good. I’m not in favor of Iran having nukes but all I hear is grandstanding and no real understanding of what it means to put boots on the ground to accomplish these goals.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:57 pm65 years ago, another bunch of fascist lunatics like Kristol and his neo-con buddies, decided that world domination through war was the answer to their countries problems. They also decied that while they were invading and occupying their neighbors, it would be a good idea to exterminate an entire race of people just because they were different in religeon, race, their desires, economic status etc.
You would think that as a Jew, Kristol would have more compassion for muslims and Arabs rather than echoing the same sickening mantra as Adolph Hitler.
What is it with these neo-con jews and fascism anyway? Have they not learned the lesson histroy has taught regarding fascism and the wholesale genocide / holocaust of innocent people?
July 19th, 2006 at 2:59 pmEvil Spaniard and Humanist
I’m sorry guys, it was not my intention to imply that you were gay. Gays have every bit of rights that everyone else has here in the good ole USA. Except marriage. Humanist, I’m also glad that you know that you live on the third planet from the Sun. To bad your willing to let Iran have nuclear weapons. They just might do things that lead to your little world going,,,, BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Peace be unto to you and EVIL Spaniard. Or, how ever you say it…..
July 19th, 2006 at 3:00 pmIf you thought Iraq was GREAT, just wait for Iran!!!!
It will be even easier. MORE flowers will be thrown at us!!! More nations will cheer us!!!! We’ll be greeted as the liberatringest liberators who ever liberated!!!
And it won’t cost us a dime or a single American life.
Trust us. Have we ever steered you wrong?
July 19th, 2006 at 3:04 pmjustanobserver
I did not say we need to put troops on the ground, bomb, or isolate Iran. We need to do whatever we need to do to keep Iran from having nuclear weapons. I think we are close to an agreement on this. We don’t know how close Iran is to making a nuke, they won’t allow inspections. The world is involved in the issue. There is a deadline approaching. I’m willing to let it play out. Whatever the result, Iran CANNOT have nuclear weapons.
July 19th, 2006 at 3:04 pm[…] Oh. My. God: This morning on Fox, Bill Kristol continued to escalate his calls for war against Iran, stating, “We can try diplomacy. I’m not very hopeful about that. We have to be ready to use force.†Kristol claimed the people of Iran would embrace “the right use of targeted military force.†He added that military force could “trigger changes in Iran,†causing them to embrace regime change. […]
July 19th, 2006 at 3:04 pmHow do you plan to negotiate with Iran? They have publically come out and said they would like to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. How do you appease them? Without the threat of invasion hanging over their heads, why would they even consider talking to us in the first place? Just because you think the prospects of negotiations are still quite good doesn’t mean that they will live up to any agreement that ever came out of them. This whole situation sounds a whole lot like pre WWII negotiations with Hitler and the liberals playing the part of Chamberlain. Thank goodness for Churchill or we’d all be speaking German right now.
July 19th, 2006 at 3:04 pmJim and Redbone, nobody here has said we want Iran to have nukes. This type of ranting with lack of planning has put us where we are now in Iraq and Afghanistan. Even Congressman Gil Gutknecht found the situation in Iraq more bleak than he anticipated during a weekend visit to the war zone, and said a partial withdrawal of some American troops might be wise.
So now before we can attempt to either clean up the mess made or sweep it under the rug you want to blast holes in another country. Sounds grand but lacks any substance. Fear mongering is no way to run this country.
July 19th, 2006 at 3:06 pm#160
Was 9/11 fear mongering? I’ve read on hear quotes from people saying the twin towers were rigged to fall. That the U.S. allowed 9/11 to happen. Charles Gibson, he’s on TP all the time.
Your not like him, but war is different today. Were not fighting the Iraq military, or the Army of Afganistan…. We are fighting a SMALL group of people who have taken the Koran and twisted it to fit their perverted religous beliefs.
I don’t want war. The United States doesn’t want war. But Hamas, Hizbollah, Al Queda, Syria, and Iran, THESE NUTS PREACH WAR AND THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!
July 19th, 2006 at 3:14 pm#155-Jim,
I have never stated whether I am or am not gay, and there you are again attempting to speak for me even though I asked politely for you to cease such. Of course such “qualifications†do not matter to the intelligent, but for you it seems to be an issue. I would suggest seeing a psychiatrist before the latency overwhelms you.
As far as nuclear weapons, I am against ANYONE having them, especially the insane Americans who are the only ones to have used them before, and the crazy ones threatening the world with their use again. You want to identify the nuclear enemy, look in the mirror.
May peace be with us all.
July 19th, 2006 at 3:15 pmThis whole situation sounds a whole lot like pre WWII negotiations with Hitler and the liberals playing the part of Chamberlain. Thank goodness for Churchill or we’d all be speaking German right now.
I was wondering when this drivel would turn up.
If it’s a choice between the US invading Iran and touching off a regional conflagration, which could escalate to a global nuclear war, or Iran merely having nuclear weapons, I say let them have them.
The Soviets had them for 45 years and it didn’t do them a blind bit of good, in fact you could argue it actually did them harm. As for a nuclear armed theocracy? That cats long since out of the bag, it’s merely a question of when Pakistan implodes, not if.
Mind you, the Iranians have denied vigorously any intent to develop nuclear weapons. After Bush and Co’s track record, I’d trust those assurances more than anything Bush would say.
July 19th, 2006 at 3:16 pm157 JIM you are correct. We do need to put pressure on them. Look back a little time Randy another big evil country did have nukes and threatend us for over 30 years. We never did invade or attack the Soviet Union and look who is still standing. USSR wanted us wiped off the map but knew it would sign it’s own death warrant. Haven’t you ever heard the term ” I’d rather have them in the tent pissing out than having them outside pissing in?” There is displeasure within Iran with their government. We’ve seen what a mess can happen when we impose Democracy. Why not try to influence it without a war. They know bullseyes are already on their heads.
July 19th, 2006 at 3:16 pm[…] Neocon thinker and general moron Bill Kristol is now suggesting that the people of Iran would embrace a U.S. attack. Yeah sure, flowers on the streets just like Iraq… […]
July 19th, 2006 at 3:17 pmThey keep telling him NOT to drink the Kool Aid..
July 19th, 2006 at 3:17 pmHitler was able to to get his people to all those terrible things because he used fear and smear (he smeared gay and liberals in addition to jews) - Just like Bill Krystol and fox news are using now!
This is 1 scary guy!