Israel hints at ‘full-scale invasion.’
By on Jul 20th, 2006 at 2:01 pm
Israel hints at ‘full-scale invasion.’
Israel today “hinted at a full-scale invasion” of Lebanon, warning residents “to flee a nearly 20-mile swath of south Lebanon along the border. Its warplanes also launched new airstrikes on Beirut’s southern suburbs, a Hezbollah stronghold.” Meanwhile, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan told the Security Council that “hostilities must stop” between Israel and Hezbollah, and condemned Israel’s “excessive use of force” in Lebanon.
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So let us see. Israel + UK + Germany = Sheer and utter disregard for history, Military practice and WORLD opinion!
July 20th, 2006 at 2:04 pmYa gotta luv it
I guess back-rubs so pay off.
billjpa@aol.com
How come Isreal didn’t stop Hezbolla from getting any power to begin with?
July 20th, 2006 at 2:06 pmIsrael is behaving an aweful lot like an aggressor nation. But then, so is the US these days.
Who will put an end to this madness? Is it any wonder that the world views the US and Israel greater threats to world peace than any other nation on the planet?
July 20th, 2006 at 2:07 pmHmm…what is this the ninth day and the UN speaks. Wow nice response. Sure the US will be right behind that soon enough.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:08 pmWho is going to be the first intellectually challenged person to attempt to lambaste the UN for speaking out against the murderous Israelis? And if anyone is monumentally stupid enough to try and play the religion card here, you will only serve to discredit yourself completely. Death does not care what religion you are, it seems that only murderers do.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:09 pmVote Independent. Vote for Moral Foreign Policy.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:10 pm#2- How come Isreal didn’t stop Hezbolla from getting any power to begin with?
Because they now get to use them as the excuse to invade other countries and to drop bombs on innocent people.
If they had negotiated or steered the elections away from Hezbolla, then they would have no excuse or ability to blame Iran for links to “terror” in the region. Now they can sway public opinion to believe that Iran’s “nukes” might be a real danger.
The only danger I see here is Israel’s aggression.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:10 pmIran, Syria, N. Korea – Axis of Evil
US, Israel – Allies of Evil
Question is which side has been invading sovereign nations lately?
July 20th, 2006 at 2:11 pmYep, the House had a vote where once again, when held to a vote, democrats move in lock step with republicans, and support efforts to combat terrorism – in this case, Israel attacking Hezbollah. Where was the progressive outcry against war?
July 20th, 2006 at 2:11 pmAs soon as gwb thinks enough innocent victims have been killed (to show what he is willing to do) and there’s enough reconstructioin work for American companies (easier than dying in Iraq) he’ll call off the Israel attack.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:12 pmThird of Lebanon casualties are children, says UN
using the same tactics as Americans then
July 20th, 2006 at 2:12 pm#9-Jason,
July 20th, 2006 at 2:13 pmExcellent question. As a follow up, can I assume that you have been on the phone with your representatives about this?
ISRAELIS TARGET CHRISTIAN PART OF BEIRUT
Beirut, 19 July (AKI) – Israeli warplanes targeted for the first time a Christian area of eastern Beirut on Wednesday morning. No one was reportedly injured in the attack. Two trucks were hit near the department store ‘Abc’ in the heart of the Ashrafiyah neighbourhood. The two vehicles were however not reportedly transporting missiles as initially thought. Residents panicked and took to the streets after the raid. “We aren’t safe here anymore,” Ratiba Naaman told Adnkronos International (AKI).
A 73-year-old Palestinian refugee who moved to Lebanon in 1948, Naaman wondered: “Why are they attacking these areas? It is them who are the terrorists.”
Carole Haddad, who owns a pharmacy near the ‘Abc’ department store, said: “I hate Nasrallah (the leader of the Shiite guerrille Hesbollah, which is backed by Syria and Iran) and his warmongers, I hate Iran, but I am also Lebanese and cannot stand that my country is destroyed. The Israelis are terrorists like Ahmadinejad.”
Most residents of Ashrafiyah were expected to leave their homes on Wednesday.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:13 pmIs Israel so unconfident of their ability to make a case for their own existance as a state that they can not even talk about it, but instead must constantly keep the area embroiled in tit for tat revenge cycle fighting?
And what the hell is wrong with the arabs? After all these years the ONLY strategy they can come up with is mimicking what the zionists did in their early years? Can they not make a public and intelligent case for their grievences without quickly debasing themselves into emotional retoric? Have they tried looking around and seeing what types of resistances that the West has responded to positively? Ghandi and his peaceful resistors? What of Nelson Mandela and the south african experience? Have they ever even considered a reconciliation approach?
July 20th, 2006 at 2:14 pm#12, humanist,
Just pointing out how dems will vote for war, then say it was a mistake, then vote for war again, and say it was a mistake, then vote for war again, then say it was a mistake ….
July 20th, 2006 at 2:14 pm#15-Jason,
July 20th, 2006 at 2:17 pmPointing out that your politicians are liars and thieves is no major feat. Accepting the responsibility of YOU ALL being the fools electing and being led by the malcontents seems to be the largest hurdle any of you have ever faced.
#14-Gerald,
July 20th, 2006 at 2:19 pmCowards always turn to violence as their first resort in resolving conflict.
Just pointing out how dems will vote for war, then say it was a mistake, then vote for war again, and say it was a mistake, then vote for war again, then say it was a mistake ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
I started supporting the democrats when I learned the religious right in the republican party had asked Clinton personal questions about his sex life and when he lied about it they tried getting him impeached. I put myself in his shoes and decided I would have either lied or told them to go get bent. So ever since I have been voting for democrats. I then started learning all kinds of things about republicans I didnt know.. like the details of Iran-Contra and many other things.
But now the democrats seem to be total fakes or so caught up in playing political games that they refuse to take clear and unbending stands on even the most profound and basic rights. I have been able to sit down with very religious people and get them to see what I mean by saying the Constituion and Bill of Rights are the EMBODIMENT of what Jesus taught and protect us all in ways that the bible itself has never come close to doing… which is why I believe the Consitution is MORE important than the bible.. and why it is WRONG for anyone to violate the privacy of an American by getting involved in their personal lives in areas of religion, sexual matters, bodily matters (drugs/abortion), etc. Yet the democrats act like they cant even utter such things or else their political careers will be over… since when is TRUTH no longer worth defending? Why can they not articulate why WAR is neccessary SOMETIMES and what those conditions are? They act like if they talk about war in a rational way they are weaklings? Do they really believe that? Being level headed is weak?
July 20th, 2006 at 2:26 pmYup, saving stem cells is so much more important than saving the lives of Lebanese and Iraqis. So-called “pro-life” people are such hypocrites.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:27 pmI joke around alot on this site but please,
I implore you
Vote Independent in November.
Democrats in power will not change Domestic Spying or War Policy.
Not one bit.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:27 pmviolence is a sign of immaturity ( Bush)
a coward is someone who hides say in their bases ( marines)
July 20th, 2006 at 2:27 pmTIA,
Do you seriously think that independents have a chance this November? I’d much rather vote independent, but there is a lot riding on us getting the neocons out of power…can we take the chance?
July 20th, 2006 at 2:30 pmThis is what the Democrats allow to happen:
http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/
This is disgusting. Israeli children writing their names on bombs and pictures of dead Lebanese children.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:32 pmI went by the recruitment office the other day because I thought that maybe a line would have formed around the building with pro-bush folks and their fundamentalist counterparts given their craven support for war.
Of course, they were none to be seen….
July 20th, 2006 at 2:32 pmVote Independent. Vote for Moral Foreign Policy.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:33 pmviolence is a sign of immaturity ( Bush)
a coward is someone who hides say in their bases ( marines)
Comment by Time Capsule
If you knew half your country did NOT support you even being in that country would you feel honor bound to risk your life for some unknown distant goal of JUST the people in your country that do support it? Or would you try to get by until the whims of those incharge change and either put you to doing something risky that Americans really back or else bring you home?
Being brave for a righteous cause is one thing…. risking your life just being a pawn in a game of “risk” being played by detached privaleged men in distant air conditioned meeting is quite a different matter.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:34 pmThe neo-con bush warriors, we see on the tubes [internet], are apparently nothing more than keyboard warriors banging out brave words never to be acted upon…..
July 20th, 2006 at 2:36 pm#23
July 20th, 2006 at 2:39 pmThat made my skin crawl.
#21-Time,
There are those who would try to claim that I am inflamatory, only because the truths I speak are sometimes very uncomfortable.
But you, sir, are only making absurd blanket statements to see who you can get a rise out of. It seems more than a bit childish to me and also quite disrespectful to the intelligence of your fellow beings.
Do you have a point or issue to elaborate on? Or do you just want to be sure that everyone sees you as a fool?
July 20th, 2006 at 2:40 pmThis is what the Democrats allow to happen:
http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/
This is disgusting. Israeli children writing their names on bombs and pictures of dead Lebanese children.
Comment by Total Information Awareness
But, but, but …. I thought people become terrorists because they hate our freedoms… isnt that what the republicans, neo cons, American radical christians, Fox TV station, pastors/churchs, Ann Coulter, and BUSHCO have been saying? Surely they dont get angry when their child or or young brother or sister get burnt to death or crushed to death? Not even seeing these types of deaths for 60 years would cause terrorsim would it?
July 20th, 2006 at 2:41 pmYes I am calling you hypocrites freepers…maybe when I see you guys lined up around the recruitment office I will apologize — I have a feeling,sadly, that won’t happen.
You are not the ‘Patriots’ you say you are.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:41 pmDisgusting lot.
At every turn Israel does something that allows Democrats to make the right decisions about Israel. And they turn it down. They support until the end.
Israel radicalizes Muslims and creates terrorism. That is all that Israel has ever done. And the only thing they do.
http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/
July 20th, 2006 at 2:42 pm“Can the American public even dimly recall such crimes against children, funded by US taxpayers? These crimes are seldom condemned or commemorated by the corporate media. They are simply noted for the record, described as “sectarian clashes” in the Middle East. Ho-hum.” –Hoffman
http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine3.html
July 20th, 2006 at 2:45 pmHe’s the universal soldier and he really is to blame
July 20th, 2006 at 2:51 pmhis orders come from far away no more
they come fromhere and there and you and me and brother can’t you see
this in not the way toput an end to war
Donovan
wear your love like heaven
ditto
Here we go again, the liberal community standing up proudly on behalf of the terrorists. It makes me so irate, since it gives us all a bad name and makes it easier for Republicans to characture us and beat us in elections.
Lets look at the basics here again:
1) There is a terrorist group, Hezbollah, in Southern Lebanon, who kills innocent Israelis because they claim Israel has part of their land.
2) In 2000, Israel pulls out of Lebanon and the UN (as anti-Israel as this board) confirms Israel has done so.
3) Hezbollah keeps up its regular terrorist attacks anyhow, both before and after Syrian influence is removed.
So what do you do if your neighboring state harbors terrorists who attack you all the time, are building up weapons, and are being funded and supplied by counties like Syria and Iran? And that state does almost nothing to control it? At some point, you are going to attack and try to wipe out the terrorists on your border.
I will buy an argument that Israel needs to do more to limit collateral and civilian damage. But anyone here with the slightest bit of real world knowledge knows that is much easier said than done when dealing with terrorists – wearing no uniforms – who hide and mingle with a general populace in an urban area.
But this board seems way beyond that. Israel – our western democratic ally – has turned into a Nazi war machine, indiscriminately killing billions.
Never mind that they are under constant terrorist attack. That they left the disputed land and the terrorism continued unabated. That the government of Lebanon does nothing to control the border or stop the terrorists.
I guess in the opinion of those here Israel should just sit back and take it, right? Who cares if their civilians are kidnapped and killed by terrorists – I mean its not us, right? Why should they have the right to fight back like the U.S. did in Afghanistan and take out the terrorists who attack them?
Progressives have it right on so many things. The environment, education, progressive taxation, etc, etc, etc – why must be embarass ourselves by siding with terrorists against our allies?
July 20th, 2006 at 2:52 pmWho here can imagine being given a few minutes to look through a dumptruck full of body parts for a piece of someone you love? as is happening every day in Lebanon.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#20
The problem with your reasoning is that there are not enough Independent party candidates to win the majority of seats in either the House or Senate. Subsequently by not voting for a Democrat you may be assuring a Republican victory (e.g. Nader/Gore). There is the old saying in any competition whether it be war, love, poker, or politics that claims you should pick your own battles. That is very apropos in this case. If the Independents, independents, and other parties want to have the greatest influence they would be well advised to join the party they feel will offer them the best chance of influencing the political environment AFTER the election. I will guarantee they will have less success with the Republicans in 2007 and/or 2009 should the Republicans steal another election than they will with the Democrats, any Democrats. The goal now is to clear the Government of as many Republicans in 2006 and 2008 and then slice up the pie afterwards. Your alternative is to let the republicans slice up everybody and let OPEC (Oil, Pharmaceuticals, Energy, Corporate-profits) eat the pie
July 20th, 2006 at 2:57 pmA full-scale invasion to look for 3 soldiers, Israel and the American MSM keep repeating the same lame propaganda . It just makes them look SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO F’ing stupid.
July 20th, 2006 at 2:57 pm#35-Jay B,
July 20th, 2006 at 2:58 pmSince you seem to be keeping score, please list specifically how many Israelis, Lebanese, and Palestinians have been killed just in the last 12 months. I await your considered and detailed response.
recently written by a former black-shirt: Ray Close || a former CIA analyst in the Near East division
July 20th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
#38 : It’s not really to look for 3 soldiers. It’s to eradicate the Hezbollah terrorist organization, their weapons, their buildings, etc – so that the kidnapping of soldiers and killing of civilians stops being a regular event. Israel left 6 years ago and the attacks continue unabated. They finally decided enough was enough and they were going to do something about the terrorists.
#39 : I’m not sure what you mean by keeping score. I assume you mean the problem that I keep bringing up facts you don’t like – like the major one that Israel left Lebanon, the UN verified it, and the terrorists keep attacking?
But this is always one of the dumbest arguments people bring up when trying to defend terrorists (or more to the point – attack those who fight the terrorists). What is the moral imperitive for you to have equal body counts with the terrorists? When the U.S. attacked Al Queda and the Taliban, did we have a moral obligation to make sure we lost as many U.S. troops as they did Al Queda? In WW2, would you have advocated the U.S. lose as many troops as the Germans, or would you have hoped the U.S. was powerful enough to minimize its own casualties?
It’s as if Israel becomes the bad guy with the extreme left because its more powerful. Never mind that they are fighting terrorists, the poor terrorists “only” have rockets that kill civilians, while Israel has fighter jets.
You would hope the democracy has better weaponry than the terrorists, and you would hope they lose less lives. Except, apparently, here on this board.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:05 pmSo was any justification given for the bombing of the Lebanese military barracks?
July 20th, 2006 at 3:08 pm#35 Jay B
July 20th, 2006 at 3:09 pmOver weeks the Israeli’s lobbed hundreds of shells into Gaza killing 30 palestinians ! The day before invading lebanon Israeli commando’s crossed into Gaza for the first time since a pull out ,last August and kidnapped 2 palestinians !The palestinians then crossed into Lebanon and attacked an Israeli army outpost killing 2 and kidnapping 1.Inresponce the Israeli’s kill 300+ lebanese and bomb it into the stone age ?
DEAR ISRAEL,
PLEASE SECURE YOU OWN DAMN BORDERS!
Blaming Lebanon for NOT securing it’s border is as DUMB as trying to blame Mexico for the immigration problem in the U.S.
I guess the next time some mid-west spring-breaker goes missing in a Mexican border town, we launch an attack?
July 20th, 2006 at 3:09 pmReply to #41 (Jay B):
http://www.ifamericansknew.org
Visit the above link and then come back here and cheer for Israel.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:10 pmi am ashamed at think progress for not linking to the article that i just linked to in the previous post. they also haven’t pointed out what ms coulter had to say on the subject:
“Some have argued that Israel’s response is disproportionate, which is actually correct: It wasn’t nearly strong enough. I know this because there are parts of South Lebanon still standing,” Coulter opines in her latest column, posted last night. Already the Israeli air attack has cost at least 300 lives and one in eight Lebanese citizens are now refugees.
and, we know this bat-shit crazy manchild speaks for the true filthy underbelly of the bush crime family…
but, no, we have silence…
the bush crime family must be purged, not lebanon…
July 20th, 2006 at 3:10 pmThat says it all James. Consciously and systematically denying others the right to thrive is the most serious sin one can commit as a human being.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:10 pmThat is ,Imean ,crossed into israel
July 20th, 2006 at 3:11 pmI can’t believe Jebus didn’t tell Bush to stop the killing this time….
Did Bush lose his connection with Jebus ???
July 20th, 2006 at 3:11 pmI know Jay B,and they know Jay B but they keep repeating it and why did they not say they wanted to wipe out Hezbollah from the outset? Lies& justifications come from aggressors
July 20th, 2006 at 3:15 pm#41-Jay B,
You were the one who began to list official looking stats as support for your position. I just requested further information for perspective. Do you lack that information or do you refuse to share it?
I would also ask that you refrain from attempting to speak “for†me. You jump into positions and statements that I have neither presented or made, and then you ridicule your own ridiculous logic that you attempt to attribute to me. Silly tactic and one that should be beneath you.
So, do you have facts to share or are you just going to relish in your false arrogance derived from defeating the straw men of your own creation?
Peace.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:16 pm#38: The media is NOT stupid. We sometimes get carried way because we forget the rudiments of our basic economics education. A corporate entity exists to make profit for the corporation. The job of the corporate owned media is to make profit by shaping perception via a carefully designed mixture of information, disinformation and outright lies, not to cut off lines of profit lines by informing the public of the truth.
When did you last see a drug company spend money to advice you not to take their product because the side effects were worse than the symptoms you were seeking relief from?
Bill O’Reilly does not make the big bucks because he is stupid. He makes the big bucks because he is good at his job.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:21 pmHumanist #39, I often disagree with you but this is a great post.
#35 Jay B – It’s not that we are siding with the terrorists, when you complete Humanists assignment, you will be lead to wonder who the terrorists really are. To answer your question, no, I don’t expect Israel to sit down and take it, but after 60 years I do expect them to stand on their own two feet and not look to us to wipe their ass at every turn. Did you ever think how they got an army, navy, and air force? Do you think the US might have been involved? Do you think any of your tax dollars are involved in the yearly aide that is allowing them to pound the crap out of Lebanon and Palestine? These days will not help Israel in the world community.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:27 pmperhaps Hizbollah should point their rockets at Capitol Hill. Afterall, this is where the child-killing is sanctioned in the first place. How can any decent American approve the support being given to this terrorist upstart of a nation Israel. One can only surmise Americans could care less…as long as its not my child been bombed to bits they could give two s**ts. McVeigh was a true patriot.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:30 pmWhy is it so hard to understand that when you force your beliefs on a society(or take away their land and give it away), they’ll inevitably fight back, like a cornered beast?
When American Indians were being forced from their land and slaughtered by white settlers, naturally, they fought back.
When slaves where tortured in the South, many fought back to the death.
These situations are clear cut, cause and effect, Darwinian in that they’re pure manifestations of the “survival of the fittest” doctrine.
Since it’s inception, the U.S. has stood for Freedom, yet at the cost of wiping out most American Indian tribes, or by the enslaving and trading of humans for the benefit of free labor, or while covertly defining and implementing foreign policy without considering the negative consequences to our true “Freedom”?
I think terrorists “hate us for our particular definition and practice of Freedom”, not the actual meaning.
Are we men, or beasts?
July 20th, 2006 at 3:32 pmJason, you’re funny.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:34 pm#54-jason,
No murderer is a true “patriot”, only a murderer. And calls for violence against anyone is an act of cowardice.
If you truly want to put an end to murder, stop calling for it and supporting it.
Peace.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:34 pmJay B:
Still waiting for a response to my post #45, buddy…
July 20th, 2006 at 3:35 pmAbbynormal, BO makes money in spite of being stupid, Libertarian or worse.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:37 pmReply to #54 (jason baddo):
McVeigh was a true patriot.
No…McVeigh was a true patsy.
Educate yourself.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:39 pm#57 Humanist,
tell that to the jews whose patriotism is certainly not foremost as far as thr U.S.A is concerned. They are quite content to sent you and other American boys to be murdered in the name of the zionist entity they represent. When we put America’s interests first and quit intervening……now thats true patriotism. sir.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:40 pmThat’s patriotism, and so is blowing up a bunch of kids in day care, right Jason?
July 20th, 2006 at 3:43 pmWhat should be done is serious pressure to get Israel and Lebanon to the table. Lebanon has asked for this and we should get Israel to consider it.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:47 pmLINK: Israel is being too nice – Likud of Holland / Likoed Nederland – The article BY John Aravosis, of AMERICAblog, banned at AMERICAblog BY John Aravosis … Why?
July 20th, 2006 at 3:47 pm#61-jason,
Your message is a conflagration of racism wrapped in a flag. Very bizarre I must say.
Let me see if I can help.
Murder is never an act of “patriotism” regardless of cause or allegiance.
Racism is a mindset of ignorance and insecurity and is an enemy of intelligence.
I hope you understand.
Peace.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:52 pmIsrael believes it to be the only people of God and that all other people are to be cleansed from the area given to them by “God”. That is their belief period! The people that make up the leadership of the country was foundd from the militant World Zionist Organization of which was tapped by British PM Belfour in WW I for help when the Jewish comunity in Russia would not help.
This week, the Israeli Zionist Jews including Binyamin Netanyahu, the former Prime Minister, are celebrating the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarters of British rule, that killed 92 people and helped to drive the British from Palestine 60 years ago. They went on, using terrorist tactics to evict the remainder of the Palistinian Arab and Christian people from their territory by 1948. Truman who was more worried about his re-election than middle east peace, acknowledged Isreal as a state of which enfuriated his cabinet including John Marshall (of the Marshall plan), his Secretary of State.
The Israel of today was created by Jewish Zionist militants and is still run by people who think that they are the only people of “God”. They believe alll other faiths have false gods and consist of unclean gentiles. They believe in the ethnic cleansing of the middle east to remove the unclean gentiles back to the borders that “God” gave them. This is a vast area as stated in the Torah “God made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river the Euphrates. The land of the Kenites, Kenizites, Kadmonites; the Chitties, Perizites, Refaim; the Emorites, Canaanites, Gigashites and Yevusites.” – Genesis 15:18-21″,
The boundries of Israel’s occupation are obvious as Gaza and the West Bank’s land, resources and air space, as well as Lebanon’s are completely controled by Israel. To see a map of the actual boundries, go to https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html .
July 20th, 2006 at 3:55 pmIsrael and Lebanon to the table? How about Hezbollah, Iran and Syria to the world’s table of accountability. Lebanon has no power over anything. They’ve never controlled themselves.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:55 pm#67-JIM,
Shouldn’t you be calling for an end to the murders before debating who to invite to the feast?
Peace.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:58 pmIf Israel became disappeared tommorrow, would that stop Islam from claiming to be the “true religion”? Would Islam be satisfied with living in a world shared by Christians? It’s not just a “Jew thing”, it’s also a “Muslim thing”.
July 20th, 2006 at 3:58 pmCome on Jim, The two are the recognized countries. Get Israel and Lebanon on the same path to extract Hesbollah and the influence of Syria and Iran. It’s a golden opportunity to secure the border and to build a more stable relationship between the 2 countries. Having Israel continue driving into Lebanon will only harden the views in the region against them and it will only be a matter of time before another strike or hostage is taken (or worse). Lebanon kicked Syria out last year and has already come out stating they want to get rid of Hezbollah. They should work together to achieve that then.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:00 pm#69-JIM,
No, it’s a murder thing. It’s a killing thing. It’s a heinous crime against humanity thing.
You are attempting to obscure the truth by cloaking it with religious banners. Besides being deceptive, it is asinine.
Peace.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:01 pmHumanist,
You blast Israel and American over and over and over again, every day calling them murderers over and over again. I’ve talked to you several times man, I’m still waiting for you to call Hezbollah murderers….. What’s up with that?
July 20th, 2006 at 4:02 pm45# james
Brilliant link thanks I have been trying to find this info for days
I knew it was true as for months i have been looking at English version of Aljazeera news – Isrealis have been killing palestinians over the last 18 months everyday Trying to get Palestinians to break their ceasefire
Its about time Americans realise how Isreal spends their money too , conficating land etc
July 20th, 2006 at 4:07 pmjustanobserver
I agree with you. Sit Israel and Lebanon down to talk. The problem is Lebanon has no government. They are ran by Syria. Get the Syrian influence out of the Lebanon then find someone to sit down with.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:07 pm#45 That’s great, anyone here can find hundreds of slanted pro or anti Israel websites on the web so long as they have google. That website is run by Alison Weir, an incredibly anti -Israel fanatic. You can find hundreds of sites showing the exact opposite too, but that doesn’t prove my case any more than showing anti-Israel crazies proves yours.
#51 What “official looking stats” are you talking about?! I don’t think I even cited a single number. All I did is mention the fact that Israel DID leave the Lebanese land they were in, and the terrorism continued! So what is your justification for the terrorists now then? It can’t be a land issue, Israel gave back the land. So explain why the terrorists should be allowed to continue attacking Israel in your opinion? Because if they have no ground to, then of course Israel has to pound the terrorists the way the U.S. did with Al Queda. And if they do, I’d love to hear you publicly justify terrorism here and explain to us why its OK and why a democracy shouldn’t be allowed to fight back hard.
#53 Hold on, everyone’s problem is that Israel is standing up on its own 2 feet now and finally fighting back against the terrorists. They sat back, taking it for years.
Here is the question then for all of you here that hate Israel so much you have turned yourself into terrorism apologists: What should Israel do? Simple question. You are a democracy surrounded on all sides by countries that hate you due to your race/religion, tried to wipe you out the day you became a country, and have been attacking you with terrorists (and actual wars) ever since. Most of them officially claim their goal is to wipe you off the map entirely. You give back land, and they still attack.
So what do you do? If most of you were in charge of Israel, it sounds like you would advocate just letting your citizens die, rather than fight back. Or would you fight back, but so mildly that it did nothing to stop the terrorism (like Israel had done up until now) and continued the cycle? Or would you fight back, but using the argument here that you have some kind of moral imperitive to make sure as many of your people died as the enemy so that the extreme left wouldn’t complain?
July 20th, 2006 at 4:11 pmSyria has agents all over Beriut. They assasinated the Lebanese President after he denounced Syria. Hezbollah runs around in the south as free as they want. Iran has dirty finger prints on everything. If Lebanon REALLY got rid of the Syrian influence, Hezbollah and Iranian agents, NONE OF THIS WOULD BE HAPPENING…..
July 20th, 2006 at 4:11 pm#72-JIM,
That is blatantly false. I condemn all murderers, I make no such distinctions or justifications that you imply. But unlike you, I also give immunity to no one, no country, or no religion.
Peace.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:12 pmHumanist
Just clarifying. Is Hezbollah murderers?
July 20th, 2006 at 4:15 pmTripMaster Monkey, what a cool site! if only I was a antisemite, Nazi, Facists, Islamofacists, like Alison Weir maybe I could swallow a small percentage of what she is peddling.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:15 pmIsrael radicalizes Muslims.
Israel plants spies in the highest levels of the Pentagon.
There will never be “peace in the middle east”
There will Total Information Awareness instead, where we are all guilty until proven innocent.
Vote Independent. Vote for Moral Foreign Policy.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:19 pmHumanist, you have specifically called the U.S. and Israel murderers. You claim a murderer is a murderer. No matter the country, religion or whatever. DOES THAT INCLUDE HEZBOLLAH????????? It’s a simple yes or no question. Or is it?
July 20th, 2006 at 4:22 pmI’ll read your answer when I get home in about an hour. If there is one.
Peace to everyone on TP……….
July 20th, 2006 at 4:23 pm#78-JIM,
All who murder are murderers. What you seek is for me to “slip up” and label a grouping of people for the actions of some. If that is the logic you seek, then are not ALL Americans murderers?
Peace.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:23 pmthe simple answer is move isreal to america
July 20th, 2006 at 4:27 pm#75-Jay,
I asked for facts and you refuse to provide them, fine. I already know the answer, you refuse to even acknowledge the question. So, my friend, your ignorance is chosen.
And as far as labeling one group “terrorists†and then glorify the other group, all you do is betray to the world your limited intellect. He who commits murder is a murderer. Murder is a heinous act against humanity. These are the facts you choose to hide from.
May peace be with us all.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:29 pmHumanist: What are you, a lawyer? Your torturous use of language to try to avoid having to call Hezbollah terrorists or murderers is telling.
If you join a known terrorist organization like Hezbollah, you are a terrorist. Much as if you join the KKK today, its safe to say you are a racist. Sure, that may be “labeling” a group, but when you voluntarily join an organization that espouses such abhorrent (and well known) views and agendas, you are one of them at that point.
Your U.S. analogy doesn’t hold up. Not everyone in the U.S. voted for Bush. Most people in the U.S. didn’t choose to be Americans, they were born there. You have to choose to join a terrorist organization like Hezbollah.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:30 pm#75
Nice dodge, Humanist. I ask you what you would do if you were in charge of Israel, and of course no answer.
What facts do you want exactly? Be clear about this. I was very clear about the history of the land and the UN verfication that Israel gave it back. Explain what you are looking for.
When you start accusing your enemy of having “limited intellect” instead of providing specifics, answering their questions, etc – you pretty much expose that you are on the ropes and have no real argument past name calling.
Are you really denying that Hezbollah is a terrorist group?! Wow, that says it all. They kill and target innocents to advance their geo-political goals and are a recognized terrorist organization. Is Al Queda not a terrorist group too? Or does it merely depend on if you like that particular groups goals or not? Attacking Isael – not terrorists. Attacking U.S. – terrorists.
Or are you arguing Israel is a terrorist group for having the audacity to fight back against the terrorists who have been attacking them non stop for years? In that case, I guess anyone who fights back against terrorists is a terrorist.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:35 pmReply to #79 (RRS):
if only I was a antisemite, Nazi, Facists, Islamofacists, like Alison Weir maybe I could swallow a small percentage of what she is peddling.
Not even a token attempt to refute the damning information on that webpage….instead, you elected to proceed straight to the ad homenim attacks.
Seriously sub-par, RRS, even by your standards.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:35 pmReply to #75 (Jay B):
That’s great, anyone here can find hundreds of slanted pro or anti Israel websites on the web so long as they have google.
OK…show us.
That website is run by Alison Weir, an incredibly anti -Israel fanatic.
Nice ad homenim attack…but I’d rather we stick to the figures, thanks.
You can find hundreds of sites showing the exact opposite too
Let’s see them, then.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:39 pmCiting Alison Weir as proof of your agenda is like citing Bill O’Reilly or Ann Coulter’s webpage and saying “see – I’m right”. Nobody rational will take you seriously. Like I said, you can find crazies on both sides, but its a waste of time.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:41 pmJay B, dispute the figures or admit you can’t.
The ad homenims are getting old.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:43 pmI did notice nobody has answered my key question:
Once you are done with the usual far-left complaining, calling Israel “Nazis” and all the rest of the littany of attacks, let me know what Israel should do and what you would have done had you been Israel 3 weeks ago?
1) Would you have accepted that terrorists are just going to regularly kill or capture your citizens forever and let them continue?
2) Would you have responded as usual, a minor attack in response on the border, that does nothing long term, leaves the Hezbollah terrorists in place, and continues the cycle of violence?
3) Would have have appealed to the UN to get the terrorists to stop (just kidding – the UN couldn’t care less when its Israel being attacked)
4) Or would you have ever said enough is enough and attack back, trying to take out the terrorist infrastructure and weapons?
July 20th, 2006 at 4:45 pmI’ll ask again. Maybe you know, Jay. Have the Israelis given justification for bombing the Lebanese military barracks?
July 20th, 2006 at 4:48 pm#86-Jay,
Let’s see if I follow your logic.
American soldiers murder Iraqis.
A naïve young man joins the US Army.
So, is that young man now a murderer? And, are all American soldiers murderers?
Finally, if you then equate murder=terrorists, then is not the USA the largest group of terrorists on the planet?
How’s that work for you there sparky?
(I decided to close with some “folksy†language to perhaps bring you some comfort.)
May peace be with us all.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:48 pmI’m not asking as a back handed attack on Israel. I really just don’t want to do any research.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:49 pmTripmaster:
I already address the numbers and you ignored that too. I asked what is the moral imperitive for a democacy to make sure it loses as many citizens as the terrorists it fights?
Israel has a superior military, there is no debate about that at all. When terrorists strike Israel and Israel returns fire, Israel is going to kill more people than were killed. Much as when the U.S. attacked Al Queda were weren’t looking to limit their casualties to the exact number they killed of us. And much as the U.S. didn’t try to limit its WW2 casualties to the exact number the Germans killed of us.
Yes, the Palestinian unemployment rate is high. Thank you Yassar Arafat and Hamas for that. The U.S. and the West pumped billions of dollars into the PA and most of it was embezzled by Arafat and his cronies, rather than used to help his people. And every time Israel loosened borders (which helped the PA economy significantly) Hamas terrorists would murder innocents Israelis, forcing border closures.
The UN resolution stat almost had me on the floor in laughter. Are you being serious here? The UN is so historically and dramatically anti-Israel, it tells you all you need to know about Weir that she includes that laugher. I mean it makes some sense, there are about 60 muslim/arab countries in the world and only 1 Jewish state, so the lopsided votes make some sense. But its hilarious she includes that given the obvious and historic UN bias. Whenever terrorists attack Israel, the UN falls silent. When Israel strikes back, the rush over themselves to pass resolutions condemning Israel. Wow, I wish I had read that one earlier. LOL!
July 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pm#87-Jay,
The facts that I requested, once again- Specifically, how many Israelis, Lebanese, and Palestinians have been killed in the last 12 months. Specific numbers by classification please.
And you are not my “enemyâ€. My pointing out the lack of intellect that you are displaying is an attempt to help you see your error so that you can correct it.
As far as the “terrorism†label and argument that you put forth, I hope that I addressed that clearly for you in my previous post.
May peace be with us all.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:54 pmWhen did the US attack al-Qaeda?
I seem to remember us attacking the Taliban.
And, then, I seem to remember us attacking the sovereign nation of Iraq.
When exactly did we attack al-Qaeda?
I guess it doesn’t matter as long as you are attacking someone indiscriminately and you can label them either: a) terrorists; or, b) collateral damage.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:58 pmLebanese military barracks: Short answer, I have no idea. I’m not Israeli, I’m not with the IDF, and I have no inside info. I’m just a liberal American who sides with our allies over terrorists who attack them.
My guesses would be:
1) It was a mistake or errant missile
2) It was a signal to the Lebanese government not to aid the terrorists. For example, the Chinese made (and Iranian delivered) C-802 missile that took out the Israeli Navy ship probably could not have been done without the radar equiptment of the Lebanese Military. If so, maybe it was a signal for them not to get involved or aid Hezbollah?
But I haven’t seen any official response and have no idea.
July 20th, 2006 at 4:58 pmThanks, Jay. I hope it’s #1 and not #2. Let the bathroom humor commence.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:00 pm#97 Nice dodge again on the terrorism question. I completely understand though, its impossible for you to answer without exposing yourself publicly.
As for the specific numbers, I have not a clue. I’m not a historian, I don’t run a website, I don’t track death tolls and I don’t have those stats. You may as well ask me who hit the most home runs in the AL in 1965 – I have no idea.
My assumption is less Israelis have died than the other groups, or you wouldn’t be asking, right? But that gets back into my earlier point about their being no moral imperitive you lose as many people as the terrorists.
#98 The U.S. attacked Al Queda troops, being hosted by the Taliban government, in Afghanistan. It was all over the papers – really big news at the time :) When we had Osama Bin Laden trapped in the mountains and didn’t go in for the kill. Many of those fighting the U.S. were Al Queda, or at the very least harboring and fighting on behalf of Al Queda.
I would agree with you that Iraq did not have terrorists, but I assume everyone on this board would agree with you on that.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:04 pmSo,
Why would you side with someone who hasn’t even explained their reasons for taking human lives? Wouldn’t it be best to err on the side of those who haven’t indiscriminately killed anyone?
And, when I say this, I am not supporting terrorists, Hezbollah, etc. I am taking about the citizens of the sovereign state of Lebanon. These folks seem to be the ultimate victims here.
So, think about them as you are taking sides and giving the benefit of the doubt to those who are pulling the triggers.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:07 pmTony Conigliaro led the AL in home runs in 1965 with 32.
Boy. That only took about two seconds on google.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:09 pm#101-Jay,
So you have no idea about the facts, but you are willing to call for the extermination of a race of people? Based upon what, your gut?
You, sir, are a moron on a magnitude I would not have previously thought possible.
Please think, it will not hurt.
May peace be with us all.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:09 pmKeep in mind, Hezbollah shot first. They knew Isreal would attack.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:10 pmAnd I didn’t know Hezbollah was a race of people! You learn something new every day.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:13 pmI would agree that the regular people of Lebanon are the real victims here. They are caught in a war between Israel and the Hezbollah terrorists who occupy the southern part of their country.
But at some point it becomes the fault of the government of Lebanon for not lifting a finger and allowing the terrorists to operate and grow, leading to where we are now.
In some ways, Israel is doing the work the Lebanese government was supposed to do (they never even sent border police to stop Hezbollah as they were required to). And its probably easier to Israel to do it, which is why I think you’ve seen the fairly muted response from the world (including many Arab countries) to date.
Everyone knows the Hezbollah terrorists are the problem, Everyone knows the Lebanese government doesn’t have the will or the military strength to take them on. Everyone knows Israel has both the will and military strength, and so I think you are seeing a situation where most of the world secretly (and sometimes openly) wants Israel to take care of the problem for Lebanon.
Same problem with the PA. Abbas is too scared and importent to take on Hamas, leaving Israel to do the PA’s job for them unfortunately.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:14 pmOne third of them children–little Hesbollah recruits eh? I tend to think that /Bush learned his murderous pre-emtive so called the Bush doctrine, from the Israelis. No human life is sacred–unless it is one that belongs to the same tribe–therefore, killing an murdering the enemy and THEIR BABIES, is acceptable in these days of “defenduing itself”
There has got to be some huge blowback to this barbarism on the part of the Israelis. They will NEVER seek peace in the effort to “defend themself” They will continue on the path to genocide, killing, wantonly killing, and refuse to recognize that after all these years, it has not worked. And there is a stirring of blowback to these practices.
You want your country and you want to defend it, then act like human beings and don’t steal the land in order to return to your mythological “biblical boundaries” You have been defeated numerous times and Israel says “never again” Well that is sounding rather hollow now and it’s practices approach barbaric descrittions
I find that ironic, in part because Israel was given the land legally because it deserved it due to the suffering the Jews have been subjected to, not only under Hitler, but throughout the centuries.
Israel and the Jews were not the only ones to have suffered. I mean how many Christians were murdered in the games at the Coliseum? HOw many pagans were attacked and their temples destroyed once Christianity gained a foothold as a state religion under Constantine?
Let us not mention, the American Indian. And the Indians of South American, who suffered under Cortez.
Feh–this slaughter, this childish reaction has got to stop–but Bush seems to like feasting on wild boar BBQ, better than he likes taking charge of this situration and Americans are getting sick and tired of their money going to foster slaughter and devastation and loss of so many lives, one third of them children.
Heh, the Puritans did the same thing. They thought they would establish a new zion, and indeed they did, until others such as those Quakers and those damn witches that they crucified, got in the way. They did not last long at all as new generations grew up andc realized where their bread was buttered and it was not buttered by this conservative, Calvinistic view on how to direct and manage an ever growing population.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:16 pmAnd, when I say this, I am not supporting terrorists, Hezbollah, etc. I am taking about the citizens of the sovereign state of Lebanon. These folks seem to be the ultimate victims here.
Comment by Kevin
The citizens of the sovereign state of Lebanon should have backed their government and enforced their borders instead of allowing Hezbollah to not only operate openly. Hezbollah long ago set up training bases and has continually attacked and provoked the citizens of the sovereign state of Israel. They also spead hatred and encourage murderous discontent for all western nations, and especially America.
Hezbollah is made up of murderous thugs, and were directly responsible for the Beirut Massacre by killing of 241 Marines in 1983. Let us not forget who was celebrating in the streets of Beirut on 9-11.
As far as I am concerned, the IDF can’t kill enough of those murderous thugs.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:19 pmIsrael is the largest recipient of US. aid in the entire world. It receives more aid than that given to all the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean, put together.
Israel receives over $10 million dollars per day from the United States, and there is evidence that the total figure is closer to $15 million a day. Yet this information is almost never printed in American newspapers. Coverage of the Middle East in general, and of Israel in particular, virtually never reports this enormous American connection with this region.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:20 pm#103 – great – now go do Humanists work for him and dig out the rest of the stats he wants us to find for him.
#104
You have no officially moved from being an interesting person to debate, to being just a worthless name caller whose logic leaves much to be desired.
I have no idea about the facts?! What on earth are you talking about?! This isn’t a numbers game to see who has killed more people, but of course that is why you keep ignoring and dodging everything posed to you. You don’t need to know if it was 515 or 517 people killed to understand what is happening. The funniest part is you dodge every question and don’t provide the stats yourself.
I am “willing to call for the extermination of a race of people?” That may be the single dumbest thing I’ve ever seen posted here. Where on earth did you pull that from? I said Israel can fight back against the terrorists. Nice strawman there, are you really that desperate here? Judging by what I’ve seen so far, yes. I think that personal attack alone should make you irrelevant to this community as far as this topic goes. The last scourge of the man with no defendable position is to lash out at his opponents with hate filled lies like that one. Dispicable.
I’m done discussing this with anyone who stoops to such a low level as that. Truly pathetic on your part. That people disagree with you does not turn them into Hitler. Grow up and learn to post like an adult.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:20 pmEd Schultz says we should support Israel’s response to Hezbollah since we supported attacking Al Kayduh in Afghanistan.
Ed Shultz is a hawk.
Vote Independent. Vote for Moral Foreign Policy.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:22 pmKeep in mind, Hezbollah shot first. They knew Isreal would attack.
Comment by Wilco
That was because they want peace. Right, Humanist?
Shalom.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:22 pmOK HERES THE FIGURES FOR YOU ( thanks to James 43#)
121 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 734 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.
1,084 Israelis and 4,064 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.
7,633 Israelis and 30,376 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.
Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.
1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 9,599 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:24 pmand WHY because
The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:26 pmOK HERES THE FIGURES FOR YOU ( thanks to James 43#)
Comment by Time Capsule
Yeah, tough shit for the Palestinians, huh? As for the UN resolutions—kind of hard to target the Palestinians BECAUSE THEY DON’T HAVE A STATE YET. They pick a fight with the Isrealis an get the crap kicked out of them. So what?
I guess if you look at figures like that, I guess we should be ashamed of ourselves for what we did to Japan and Germany in WWII.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:34 pmAnd what do those numbers, from Alison Weir’s virulently anti-Israel site, tell us?
1) Israel’s military is far more powerful, and when terrorists attack and Israel strikes back, Israel will inflict more casualties than the terrorists did.
2) It confirms the well-known and historic anti-Israel bias with the UN, which has gotten to a point where its laughable. As I mentioned earlier, this makes some sense given the 60-1 vote disparity between Muslim/Arab states versus Jewish states, but the UN history is farsicle when it comes to Israel and those numbers help prove it! 2 sides are fighting, but the terrorists escape UN wrath while the other side gets slapped with all the UN resolutions. Everyone with a cursory knowledge of the UN knows what a 1 sided joke the whole thing is at this point.
3) The U.S. gives far more to its allies than it does to terrorist run states who attack those allies, particularly states famous for embezzling all foreign aid. Although the U.S. does give billions to Egypt, a far lesser ally than Israel, to help maintain the middle east and our interests.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:35 pmThe U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $232,290 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.
Comment by Time Capsule
Sounds good to me. Maybe they ought to get their oil-rich brothers around the Arabian Gulf to kick in more. I mean, maybe the Saudis and Iranians should throw them more than just the table scraps.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:40 pmJay B,
You just don’t get it.
“Israel’s military is far more powerful, and when terrorists attack and Israel strikes back, Israel will inflict more casualties than the terrorists did.”
You do not combat terrorist by becoming a terrorist.
The point is that Israel is “striking back” against not just terrorists. It is striking against civilians.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:42 pmJoe Sixpack,
You do realize that Palestinians are not Arabs. Am I correct in this assumption?
July 20th, 2006 at 5:43 pmI bet Hezbullah cringes at the thought of a nasty un letter being sent to it’s leader (safely esconds in Damascus). Next up the un diplomatic fairytale scale is either a look of disapointment or digust.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:47 pm#119
Here is the problem you are ignoring. The terrorists don’t wear special uniforms, hang out in labelled buildings and make themselves easy targets.
They blend in with the general populace and in densely packed urban areas. When Palestianian terrorists attack, for example, they blow up a coffee house in Israel and murder 50 civilians. But when Israel fights back, it may launch a strike against the car of a known terrorist leader while he is driving. But its almost impossible to remove any collateral casualties when its in such a densely packed area and the terrorists surround themselves with innocents.
So its easy to claim Israel is killing innocents and hate on them as many here seem to want to do. But its difficult to take out terrorists inside urban centers without any other damage whatsoever. And terrorists know this and use well meaning people like you in this way, hiding behind innocents and then claiming the anti-terror strikes are crimes against all humanity.
The difference is that the terrorists TARGET innocent people. The IDF targets terrorists and terror cell leaders. But that critical difference is lost on many here.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:50 pmYou do not combat terrorist by becoming a terrorist.
Comment by Kevin
Oh, yes you do.
First rule of warfare is inflict massive damage, and either beat them into submission, or scare hell out of them into retreating.
In most cases, all that talking crap is just that—crap. We’ve been talking about peace with North Korea since 1953. That has worked so well, huh?
July 20th, 2006 at 5:50 pmYou do realize that Palestinians are not Arabs. Am I correct in this assumption?
Comment by Kevin
Of course. Brother MUSLIMS, my friend. BTY, I have nothing against the Palestinians as a people. Nor the Lebanese. Most of them, I think, do not agree with Hezbollah or Hamas. But if they don’t want to be ruled by them, they better quit standing quietly by while these gangsters and thugs take over their governments and keep dragging them into wars.
As the Bible says, you reap what you sow.
Now I shall go sow a beer for dinner.
July 20th, 2006 at 5:57 pm#119.
That is the most STUPID coment I have ever heard. EVER. Just because Israel has a superior military they don’t have the right to defend themselves? SINCE WHEN IN HELL DID THEY KEEP SCORE DURING WAR???????? THIS ISN’T HOLLYWOOD SQUARES????? God almighty? Man, wake UP!!!!!!!! Ever heard the phrase “peace through strength”? Hezbollah knows if they attack a superior military force, they are going to pay the price…….. Lebanon knew, if we don’t do something about Syria and Hezbollah, SOONER OR LATER THE SHIT IS GOING TO COME TO A HEAD!!!!!!!! THAT TIME IS NOW.
July 20th, 2006 at 6:00 pm124:
But if they don’t want to be ruled by them, they better quit standing quietly by while these gangsters and thugs take over their governments and keep dragging them into wars.
Bwah ha ha ha ha ha! Pot, meet kettle!
Thanks, Joe…the sheer idiocy of your mindless hypocrisy really made my day!
July 20th, 2006 at 6:02 pmJay B,
I am not ignoring the fact that it is difficult to target terrorists. I think that you are having trouble seeing my point of view. It is my belief that “collateral damage” (read innocent lives) is not something that you can just be happy to ignore in some crude Machiavellian sense. Those are human lives that are being destroyed through no fault of their own.
I think that we all need to realize that the violence is not the problem. It is what has grown out of the problem. The first goal must be to stop the violence. But, the second goal must be to address the real issues that underlie this conflict.
July 20th, 2006 at 6:03 pmJay B
At least someone knows about “defending ones self” when attacked. Humanist, your a freaking joke. Literally. And a hypocrite.
Peace be upon you and your intellect of a hamburger on the third planet from the sun,,,, or however you say it…….
July 20th, 2006 at 6:03 pmThanks, Joe…the sheer idiocy of your mindless hypocrisy really made my day!
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
You are quite welcomed. Always glad to make a fellow dipshit’s day.
July 20th, 2006 at 6:05 pm#126 Amen Brother!
“But if they don’t want to be ruled by them, they better quit standing quietly by while these gangsters and thugs take over their governments and keep dragging them into wars.”
This is exactly why a good percentage of world hates not only America but Americans.
July 20th, 2006 at 6:05 pmKevin
War is WAR….. Did hezbollah worry about civilian casaulties? HELL NO! Does HAMAS? Hell no… Man, those groups WANT CIVILIAN CASUALTIES…….. Big difference…
July 20th, 2006 at 6:07 pmThis is exactly why a good percentage of world hates not only America but Americans.
Comment by Kevin
You may be right Kevin. I have an elementary mind and may be part of the problem—-me and LimpDick Money both.
July 20th, 2006 at 6:11 pm“The difference is that the terrorists TARGET innocent people. ”
But when it becomes obvious that you are killing far more innocent people than you are “terrorists”, when does it not become the same thing?
When did killing children become acceptable behavior? Did I miss that memo?
NPR (and only NPR) reported, several days ago, that Israel was shelling Lebanon before their soldiers were kidnapped by Hezbollah. Does anyone else have any more info on this? That sure would put an end to this “right to defend” crap.
July 20th, 2006 at 6:26 pm#133
I have a couple of questions then:
1) What is the percentage of innocent deaths versus terrorist deaths?
2) Given the difficulties I mentioned in post #122, how would you suggest the IDF target terrorists more effectively?
I don’t think anyone says killing children is acceptable behavior. But its very different when children accidentally die when a neaby terrorist is attacked, then when terrorists target men, women and children at a disco or train or pizza shop with the goal of killing them.
Hezbollah has been attacking Israel for ages, and has continued non-stop even after Israel gave back the Lebanese lands in 2000. So yes, they have a right to defend themselves. Or are you arguing Israel should just accept terrorists killing their citizens for years and year?
Even if its true that Israel shelled terrorists in Lebanon weeks before this terrorist attack (and I have no clue if it is or isn’t) how does that change anything? Does this mean its OK for Hezbollah terrorists to attack Israel year after year? How in any way can you justify terrorists on their border, claiming they need to kill Israeli civilians to recapture land already given back?!
July 20th, 2006 at 6:40 pmJune,
Again, you hear what you want to believe. Israel was taking the occasional rocket, five or six days until everything broke loose. Hezbollah saved their best rockets for later, BECAUSE THEY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. Nobody has any more info on your NPR story because those EVENTS that refer to never happened.
July 20th, 2006 at 6:40 pmHere is the real question:
If a genie came down and said tomorrow he would promise peace on the Lebanese border if boths group just said they wanted it, what do you think would happen?
I’m pretty certain Israel would say yes, because all they want is continue thriving as a modern western-style democracy without constant attacks on them. They don’t want Lebanese land, they already gave it back.
But Hezbollah would say no. They don’t want peace. They want land, they want the Israelis out and pushed into the sea, and they want the removal of the Jewish state. Their own charters and official documents say so.
And this is the problem. Peace is entirely in Israel’s interests as a country and its what they want most. It is completely not in the interests of Hezbollah because what they want most is the destruction of Israel. So the terrorists attack, Israel eventually attacks back, and the cycle repeats.
July 20th, 2006 at 6:46 pmHow big is Israel. Not very, we are talking miles. Not hundreds and thousands of miles. Israel is shaken by the events of the last two weeks. Is Hamas? Is Hezbollah? Hell no. Iran and Syria are using terrorism to their advantage. They are trying to “soften the target”. A suicide drone hits an Israeli warship. Rockets hitting cities previously thought to be out of range. Not the technology of terrorists. STATE SPONSERED TECHNOLOGY.
July 20th, 2006 at 6:51 pm“I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.’ And God granted it.”
-François-Marie Arouet
July 20th, 2006 at 6:52 pmJim,
I’m glad you mentioned Iran. It’s kind of a strange coincidence that right when the international community was really starting to get serious about Iran’s rogue WMD program, suddenly this Iran backed terrorist group in Lebanon starts a mini-war in the region, completely diverting attention from Iran. Probably just a big coincidence?
July 20th, 2006 at 6:53 pmIt amazes me how North Korea can fire eight missles against international law, and it takes a month and a half for the United Nations to come up with a watered down amendent to condemn the North Koreans and provide no sanctions. NONE. However, the same day of Israeli retaliation on their borders being comprimised, KOFI ANNAN steps forward with his “Israel is over reacting” comment. THE U.N. IS USELESS. It’s the League of Nations II.
July 20th, 2006 at 6:56 pm134-
1)A third of those attacked and killed by Israel have been children and in all of the data coming from the attacks in Lebanon, they mostly so far have mentioned that out of 20, or so, killed 2 or 3 are Hezbollah “terrorists”. We are still awaiting broken down statistics, but I’m sure I have inferred correctly from the data already present.
2) Shouldn’t the billions of dollars that we have supplied to fund Israel’s military be able to produce some type of (infra-red Satellite) equiptment that detects EXACTLY where rocket fire is originating? If so, which I don’t think could be that much more difficult than the use of technology used to warn Israeli’s with air-raid sirens (which the Lebonese are not also blessed with), then they should be able to use that technology to pinpoint EXACT targets. I honestly don’t know if this is possible, but I don’t really see why some form of Satellite technology couldn’t help in this instance.
135- “Nobody has any more info on your NPR story because those EVENTS that refer to never happened.”
How do you know this for sure? Perhaps it is you who only hears what you want to believe (see it works both ways there, bub). You could have seen that coming I am sure.
I am not purely anti-Israeli or Hezbollah. I honestly believe that neither side is right in killing anyone. They are both “terrorists” by any definition, its just that my taxes have gone to funding only one side and I honestly don’t understand why.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:05 pmJay,
You nailed it again. Iran is using this to distract from their upcoming deadline from the “U.N.” on whether to accept or decline the “offer” given to them by the EU, Russians and Americans.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:05 pm“It amazes me how North Korea can fire eight missles against international law”
Although the rocket tests have since been Internationally “condemned”, I don’t believe they broke any “international law” at the time of the test.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:08 pmJune
I am not Jewish. I’m not anti Muslim. I’m not anti Hindu. Buddist. ect. ect. I READ THE DAMN NEWS. ISRAEL WAS NOT FIRING ROCKETS INTO LEBANON. Why fire rockets when you can BOMB your targets? I don’t like killing either June. I don’t know anyone who wants to kill anyone. BUT, there are those who are willing, more than willing to kill not only soldiers or government officials of those that they hate, THEY KILL CHILDREN AND WOMEN AND THE ELDERLY TO INFLAME THEIR CAUSE. AND THEY DO IT IN THE NAME OF GOD!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!
July 20th, 2006 at 7:12 pm#141
It’s not that easy. I’ve read where Israel does lock onto fire from rockets, but that is only a small piece of the bigger puzzle. They are also trying to take out the terrorist leaders, and those are the guys hiding in the cities, not firing Katusha rockets. And you need human intelligence for that, and as we see in every war its far from perfect by its nature. The IDF is also trying to take out the massive arms stores of Hezbollah (much of it from Iran and Syria) that is in tunnels, caves, etc – and that takes ground troops to find. Those are the weapons used to kill Israeli citizens.
I ask again though – what is Hezbollah’s incentive for peace? None. Israel has every incentive for all violence to stop this second so they can continue as a normal country. Hezbollah does not – they don’t want peace, they want to destroy the Israeli state and push the Jews back to the sea. That is their whole point for being.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:12 pmJune,
Thanks. Your right. There is no such thing as “international law”. If the United Nations can let Cuba on their “human rights commision”, damn, enough said…..
July 20th, 2006 at 7:15 pmWhen considering who shot first, perhaps one might take into account this piece of information:
9 June 2006
Haitham Ali Issa Ghalya, 5 months
of the Gaza Strip
Killed with his mother, father and 4 sisters by shells fired by an Israeli naval boat while having a family picnic at Waha beach, north of Beit Lahia.
More here: http://rememberthesechildren.org/remember2006.html
But we all know that this argument takes us back in time, first days, then weeks, years, centuries, milenia, .. and, in the end, the only ‘definitive’ answers are those found in works of fiction, such as the Bible, the Kuran or the Torah.
I believe in simpler explation: except for the scale of destruction, whatever is happening now is not new. We, human beings, are the chosen people of nature. We have been chosen by the process of natural selection, and this process is at fault because its selection is based on which species kills more. Look at the dinossaurs, they were no match for us. They ruled the world of 65 millions years and got obliterated in the end by an asteroid. We have been around for less than 5 million and look what we have achieved: we need no stinking asteroids, we have enought insane powerfull weapons to wipe us out of the face of the planet (couple times if necessary). Not only that, we are capable of exterminating entires species, sometimes for reasons as absurd as pleasure.
We fight each other every day, either with weapons or words, because we have no one else to fight against. Everything else is an excuse for our own need for violence.
Violence is the thing that brought us all to the top of the species, and violence is the one thing that can erase all that we have achieved.
Have you ever stoped to imagine how much we could achieve if all those great minds fighting wars could be used to do good?
Have you ever stoped to imagine a world where every single resource used to build new weapons were spent to improve the lives of our fellow human beings?
May we one day find the reason inside ourselves to accept our inner violence and exercise it in ways that does no harm to our fellow humans.
Peace to us all.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:16 pmOh yeah June, you want satellites to monitor rockets, but….. ARE YOU FOR OUR MISSLE DEFENSE SYSTEM? AKA STAR WARS, that was started by President Reagan………
July 20th, 2006 at 7:18 pmCorrection: dinos were around for over 160 millions. They were obliterated 65 millions years ago.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:24 pmHugo
Did you say these things to the Iranians? How bout the North Koreans? Hitler could have used that advise. What are the peaceful people to do? Don’t fight, it’s wrong. We are the superior species on the planet. Pol Pot didn’t buy into your peace plan. Neither did Stalin. SOONER OR LATER, STANDING UP AND FIGHTING IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO…….. Some people though, even after 9/11,,,,,,,,,,, damn it man, if you can’t get it after 9/11, or Pearl Harbor,,,,,,,,, your never going to get it. And that is your right…….. Some people don’t get it until it’s to late. WHEN IS TO LATE?
July 20th, 2006 at 7:24 pmJayB and Jim,
July 20th, 2006 at 7:28 pmRead Time Capsule’s posts regarding aide to Israel, its astounding. Please tell me the difference between South African apartheid in the 70’s and 80’s and Irael’s treatment of the Palestinians today? They are both minority rule with total disregard of the majority population. Perhaps we should cutoff Israel’s aide until the slaughter of Lebanise and aparthied policies toward Palestine stop. I’m sure they’d get the message in short time.
David B
Slaughter? Slaughter? Your comparing South Africa with what’s going on today? Leno would be proud……
July 20th, 2006 at 7:33 pm“ARE YOU FOR OUR MISSLE DEFENSE SYSTEM?”
What missle defense system? Show me one that works and doesn’t simply exist to fill the pockets of the Defense industry and then I’ll be for or against it.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:36 pmSnappy answer Jim, full of facts. Over 300 Lebanise, all civilians have been killed. They’re being trated like road pizza. How many civilians have to be killed before you call it a slaughter?
July 20th, 2006 at 7:37 pm#151
The stats aren’t astouding at all, we give alot of money to our allies, to a country that assists us with military and intelligence needs, and to the one western democracy in the area.
The difference between this and aparthied?! Are you kidding me? I mean seriously? Well, lets see – Israel offered them their own state, only to have it turned down by Arafat (enraging Clinton to no end since he had been so close). Israel lets its Israeli-Arabs become citizens, lets them vote, earn seats in the parliament, you name it. In fact, look at how Jews are treated in Arab countries! That is actually the aparthied you are looking for. They can’t publicly practice their religion and have few if any rights.
Israel is a majority Jewish (70 or 80% I believe) so I don’t know where you get the minority controlling the majority. Unless you are trying to argue the PA – which just elected the terrorist Hamas – is somehow controlled by Israel (I’m sure Hamas was their choice, right?). The PA has its own legislature, leadership, etc – and the only reason they don’t have an official state is they turned down the Clinton plan!
July 20th, 2006 at 7:39 pmJune
I thought you for satellites shooting down or pinpointing where rockets were going to hit? Our missle defense system is ALREADY DEPLOYED JUNE!!!!!!!!!!! It’s not 100% ready yet, but it was activated for North Koreas little fireworks show a couple of weeks ago. You demand satellites to monitor a “GOD DAMN ROCKET”, but you blow off interbalistic weapons system we are working on……. You want to use technology on shooting down rockets, but not nuclear weapons? That’s funny.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:43 pm“STANDING UP AND FIGHTING IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO…….. Some people though, even after 9/11″
The right thing to do after 9/11 was to go after and prosecute those who were responsible for planning the attack (who didn’t already kill themselves) and to look for the root cause and how we could change our behavior to prevent it from happening again. You have chosen to make it worse and are inviting more attacks on Americans.
In my opinion it is those who don’t get that violence is not the answer after 9/11 are the ones who “don’t get it”.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:43 pmJim, as i said, violence is in the basis of human nature. We will always find excuses to exercise this basic aspect of ourselves.
I’m sure that if you were to study the examples you just mentioned you will find out that its much more harder to understand why and how they happened than you are putting it.
And its not my peace plan. I’m sorry, but i don’t have one. What i know, for sure, is this:
- Peace will never be achieved by war, peace can only be attained by understading
- Violence will consume us all until we renounce it or be exterminated by it, there is no other options
Peace man.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:45 pm“Our missle defense system is ALREADY DEPLOYED”
They can find the rockets, but that’s it… and that’s fine, I would rather we have that than not, so just calm down there turbo.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:46 pm#147-Hugo,
A kindred spirit! Hello, my friend.
If you have read the comments above then you see the insanity that has yet to be overcome. There are those calling for war in the name of peace. There are those saying it is okay to murder if it is done in the name of some god. There are those saying that war is hell and that you gotta expect a little collateral damage.
And then there are the unimaginable, those who dismiss the murders of innocents as being “just the way things areâ€. Of course, these are the same people that if you were to point out that using their own logic that the deaths of their 9/11 would be acceptable as “collateral damage†in the never-ending war they imagine or as just “innocent victims†in their war against vapor, I can assure you that they would have an aneurism while screaming “traitor†or “terrorist†or something equally absurd.
There are many eyes that need to be shown the truth and many minds that need to be opened. Lest the planet be allowed to fall into the abyss of certain annihilation that the warmongers, either purposely or through ignorance, so desire.
War does not achieve peace. Peace overcomes war.
May peace be with us all.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:47 pmJune
“to look for the root cause and how we could change our behavior to prevent it from happening again”
YOU JUST BLAMED 9/11 ON US JUNE……… YOU JUST GAVE AN ENTIRE NUT RELIGION JUST CAUSE FOR KILLING 3,000 AMERICANS IN THE TRADE CENTERS ALONE. We weren’t in Iraq or Afganistan before 9/11. AFTER 9/11 JUNE!!!!!!!!!! 9/11 STARTED THE BALL ROLLING. THE BALL IS STILL ROLLING……. AL QUEDA, HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH, IRAN, NORTH KOREA and SYRIA…. LOOK WHAT’S HAPPENED JUNE…. AND YOUR BLAMING IT ON US………..
July 20th, 2006 at 7:50 pmJay B- “I ask again though – what is Hezbollah’s incentive for peace? None. Israel has every incentive for all violence to stop this second so they can continue as a normal country.”
Although it does appear that Hezbollah has thrived on instability in the past, it would benefit some in Israel to instigate and pull us (USA) into a war with Iran which looks to be where this is (hopefully not) inevitably headed.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:53 pm#147-Hugo,
As if on cue, see the “unimaginable” JIM in post 161.
Much work indeed.
Peace.
July 20th, 2006 at 7:53 pmHumanist
You won’t even call Hezbollah murderers… YOUR A HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!! You call out America and Israel, but nobody else. You’ve had your chances. You’ve showed you true colors again today. NUT BOY!!!!
July 20th, 2006 at 7:55 pmHumanist
Anyone who kills in the name of religion is A NUT!!!!!!!!!! Anyone who kills for pleasure is A NUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your a racist man. You have no problems on calling people from “certain” areas on this planet murderers, but you give other people passes….
July 20th, 2006 at 7:59 pmJim,
You need to settle down there a bit. “AN ENTIRE NUT RELIGION”? Could you perhaps be more offensive or more wrong? Do you have any knowledge of Islam? Do you not think that the Right Wing Christians justify calling Christianity “AN ENTIRE NUT RELIGION”?
July 20th, 2006 at 8:01 pm“We weren’t in Iraq or Afganistan before 9/11.”
Maybe not, I don’t know for sure, as I’m sure you don’t, but it was our presence in Saudi Arabia, as I understand, it that was an issue at hand. Not to mention other previous involvements in the Middle East. Are you trying to tell me we had nothing to do with the Middle East before we were attacked on 9/11? Are you really that ignorant?
“AFTER 9/11 JUNE!!!!!!!!!! ”
9/11 did not give anyone the right to go around killing in the name of its victims or me for that matter.
Stop wearing OUR tragedy on your sleave and grow up and learn to face reality by admitting that our actions cause reactions.
Quick question for you:
July 20th, 2006 at 8:03 pmHave terrorist attacks increased or decreased since the “War on Terror” was waged after 9/11?
Hey Kevin
I’ve said consistently here on TP that terrorists have taken the Koran and perverted it to fit their views. Your right, I didn’t mean a “nut religion” as speaking of everyone that is Muslim. It’s better to say “AN EXTREMELY LARGE GROUP OF RELIGOUS NUTS” trying to take over the world. And it is DAMN TIME that the peaceful Muslims around the world, the so called “SILENT MAJORITY” stand up and be heard.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:06 pmJune
I’m not ignorant enough to blame 9/11 ON US!!!!!!!!
July 20th, 2006 at 8:07 pm“And it is DAMN TIME that the peaceful Muslims around the world, the so called “SILENT MAJORITY†stand up and be heard. ”
They have. You just weren’t listening.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:08 pmAnd, let’s not forget who funded al-Qaeda and let it grow into the organization that it is today. That’s right. Osama bin Laden was loving all of your tax dollars when he was fighting the Russians. Without that little boost from old Ronnie Reagan (May His Soul Rot In Hell), you could argue that Islamic militants, particularly al-Qaeda, would be nowhere near as strong and influential as they are now.
Get off your high horse Jim and do a bit of reading. The Taliban were able to control Afghanistan because the USA and the USSR were propping up whatever warlord with which they could muster communication to fight a ridiculous Cold War. The Afghanis were tired of it and thought that the Taliban would provide relief. They were very wrong and I think most definitely regret it now.
We have propped up every no account criminal dictator imaginable from Idi Amin to Pinochet. Our so-called allies are a pretty ragged and nasty bunch.
It is amazing to me how the government can convince the people that they are working in their best interests by supporting these “allies” and invading a variety of countries when it is all too clear that these actions support only the corporations, who really rule this country. But, I suppose that you also believe in “trickle down” economics, so “it is all good” as they say.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:11 pmJune
If they have, where are they? Where is their message of peace? Their message of understanding? Muslims today are letting a handful of people speak for EVERYONE. I want peace June, just like you. But peace comes at a price. Just look a “Humanist”. He calls American and Israelis “murderers”, but he is silent on the acts of Al Qeada, Hezbollah and Hamas. Ask him. He won’t call them murderers. Even though they target women, children, the elderly…..
July 20th, 2006 at 8:14 pm169- I had a 2 pronged answer to what we should have done after 9/11 and you conveniently leave out the first and more immediate one of: “go[ing] after and prosecute[ing] those who were responsible for planning the attack (who didn’t already kill themselves) and to look for the root cause and how we could change our behavior”
It is you who is justifying the deaths of human beings out of retaliation, not me. You seem to be intentionally twisting my words and I would appreciate it if you would stop. Taking the time to learn from history and evaluating our policies which lead to certain situations doesn’t necessarily mean that we have to accept the blame for other people’s actions. Why are you being so narrow minded about this?
July 20th, 2006 at 8:17 pmKevin,
Times change, as does circumstances, what worked for Afganistan in the early 80’s, doesn’t mean it’s going to work in 2002. Times change Kevin. The world changes. A girl I would love to hook up with in 1987, using your argument, is a girl I should want today in 2006. Hey, once you go to bed, YOUR IN BED FOR LIFE?????????? Come on man.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:19 pmJim,
No. It isn’t about your sex life here. It isn’t about wanting the same allies here.
It is about us creating the monster.
This is what it means when the chickens come home to roost.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:21 pmJune,
Retaliation. Where do you want me to begin? Retaliation. How far back do you want to go June? How current do you want to be? What did we do after Pearl Harbor? Just to name one example……..
July 20th, 2006 at 8:23 pm#172-JIM,
I will ask only once more that you stop attempting to speak for me. I have already addressed your absurdity before in this thread, numerous times in fact if you want to look them up, and I find it completely disrespectful that you ignore what I say and then blatantly and deceitfully misrepresent me.
So, just so you can see it clearly, I will say again: I condemn all murderers, I make no such distinctions or justifications that you imply. I also give immunity to no one, no country, no group, or no religion.
Now, young man, you need to calm yourself down and quit making an ass of yourself.
May peace be with us all.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:24 pm“Where is their message of peace?”
Most recently you can look at the Government of Lebanon, then back at the many Shiite clerics calling for peace in Iraq to stop the sectarian violence.
You have let the violent minority cloud your vision of seeing the millions of children, mothers, fathers and grandparents just trying to raise and enjoy a family… Many are the “silent majority” if you will, but there have been many speaking out against the violence which Muslim society as a whole is against. They mostly hate Al-Queda and different “terrorist” organizations.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:25 pmUgh. Jim Jim Jim.
So, we do “single’s bar” diplomacy now?
Man. That has got to be the Realpolitik of the future and you are our Metternich.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:25 pm“What did we do after Pearl Harbor?”
Eventually we destroyed 2 cities full of innocent people. What is your point?
July 20th, 2006 at 8:27 pmKevin
Man, I wasn’t talking about my sex life. OH SHIT. WHAT WAS THAT. Oh, sorry, that was the sound of the F-16 going over your head. Hey, I like debating with you and June. You both make good points. But I have to ask you both one thing……. Is Hezbollah blame free?
July 20th, 2006 at 8:29 pmDoes anyone know if Israel is using Depleted Uranium (DU) in their munitions?
They could be doing as much damage in Lebanon as we have done in the Balkans, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
DU, not only the weapon that keeps on killing, but the only Weapon of Mass Destruction (WMD) in Iraq.
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July 20th, 2006 at 8:29 pm“once you go to bed, YOUR IN BED FOR LIFE”
No, but I hear that if she gave you Herpes back in ‘87, you would still have it in ‘06.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:30 pmMy God.
Why does anyone who critiques Israel or the United States become a member of Hezbollah or another organization?
I have no support whatsoever for terrorist organizations who target innocent civilians be they Islamic radicals, such as Hezbollah, or terrorist states, such as Israel.
I abhor 9/11. But, I also abhor our reaction to 9/11. Perhaps I am a bit more vocal about our reaction to 9/11 because that is something, as a citizen, that I can do something about.
Are these contradictions? No. It is moving beyond the “for us or against us” mentality that seems to permeate any discussion in this country.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:33 pmHumanist,
Can’t answer a specific question? Is it over your head? You’ve got June and Kevin all hazy or whatever. You must be proud. I’m going to ask again, but more specifically this time. Like it matters….
Is members of Hezbollah, the MEMBERS THAT KILL ISRAELIS, murderers?
July 20th, 2006 at 8:33 pm“Is Hezbollah blame free?”
No, unfortunately, no one is.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:33 pm“Perhaps I am a bit more vocal about our reaction to 9/11 because that is something, as a citizen, that I can do something about.”
Thank you, Kevin. That is exactly the point I was trying, but couldn’t quite make.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:36 pm“Hey, I like debating with you and June.”
back at you, until next time: Good night
July 20th, 2006 at 8:38 pmNo, but I hear that if she gave you Herpes back in ‘87, you would still have it in ‘06.
Comment by June — July 20, 2006 @ 8:30 pm
June, I didn’t find a true love until I was 34 years old. I was wild one. Four years of college, four year in the military (two of which were overseas) and several years of single life thereafter (because it was fun). I’m not proud of those years, but I am today. Wonderful wife and 19 month old son. LIFE IS GRAND. He’s really going to enjoy this holiday season……….. I understand your passion, but man, what was that?
July 20th, 2006 at 8:39 pmJune nice debate…. Kevin you to…….
Humanist? I’m waiting for a answer? We’ve talked all week “third planet from the sun boy”……. Just answer the question. Is it that hard?
July 20th, 2006 at 8:42 pmAny American or any Brit. that thinks that isreal will survive the storm surrounding it are sadly in for a wake-up call from the Palistine front desk about the state of the room and WHO is to settle the BILL
Bicker all you wan Mr USA and your slut whore isreal can take your UK buddies and sod off. the world is coming to and is really starting to get the REAL target isreal and what a target small and all surrounded by a neato corral to ease the gathering of the criminals.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:45 pmHumanist
I’ll see you on friday, unfortunately. Enough is enough….. I know your reading this now…. Nobody else on TP maybe onto you, but I am.
Peace be unto you and your goats and cow milk, or however you guys say it…..
July 20th, 2006 at 8:49 pmMasher1
Crack is illegal in most parts of the world. Let me ask you this if you may….
What is your goal for our world?
July 20th, 2006 at 8:51 pmBicker all you wan Mr USA and your slut whore isreal can take your UK buddies and sod off. the world is coming to and is really starting to get the REAL target isreal and what a target small and all surrounded by a neato corral to ease the gathering of the criminals.
Comment by Masher1
Hey, Mass-asser, “isreal” is spelled “Israel” with a capital “I”. Also, “slut whore” is an oxymoron, asshole.
Shalom.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:57 pmJoe Sixpack
I doubt he understand “oxymoron”. Maybe “asshole”. We can only hope. I hope everyone on TP sees this idiot and Humanist for what they are……
July 20th, 2006 at 9:02 pmHugo and Humanist, Nameste.
Please continue to think Peace. It can’t hurt, and it just might help.
July 20th, 2006 at 9:27 pmThe people of Iraq did nothing to us, and were not able to either, despite what those shrieking harpies from BushCo would have us all believe. That is a fact, plain and simple. So we ‘Shocked and Awed’ them to death. And more than 3 years later, we continue to slaughter them, and have been instrumental in opening up that country, so that anyone who wants to, can just kill, kill, kill. It’s a ‘free for all’ of death, courtesy of the U.S.A. If Israel is so justified in invading Lebanon, because ‘he hit me first’ is all that is needed as a reason, then the Iraqi people have every right to do whatever it takes to drive the ‘terrorists’ from their country. Or is the ‘double standard’ policy the one we are going with?
July 20th, 2006 at 10:23 pmAfter all the Americans and other foreigners leave Lebanon, then the Israelis will probably invade with ground troops killing thousands of Lebanese civilians but you will not see CNN say much about it, nor Anderson Cooper shed a tear over it either!
July 21st, 2006 at 3:20 amJoe Sixpack,
Check your definition of “oxymoron.” The “phrase” that the fella used being “slut whore” is actually just repetitive. It is not an oxymoron.
July 21st, 2006 at 10:23 ama satinic cult is useing spells to try to bring forth the end times of the holy bible,
July 21st, 2006 at 6:15 pmand if you read the holy bible you will see that people will suffer from everything
i dont know what to tell you only this is that no human will be safe no mater what deal they make with evil.
and evil dont like people so i dont know what they think there doing ?
those people that are helping that evil gain what its trying to achive will be
killed by that evil after it dont need them any more !
and you think that cause there doing this in san francisco calif, that it wont afect
you ? all the people of the earth will be afected badley worse than you think.
I need a strogs concordience a large print red letter holy bible and fast call some one
and tell them i can help if i have what i need to do it or it will be to late thats why
im penny less cause it knows if i had the resources i can concour that evil
thats here its all most to late but do some thing or your world as you knew it
will not the way you knew it any more!