Right-Wing Attacks American Evacuees: ‘Ingrates,’ ‘Whining,’ ‘Spoiled-Rotten Little Children’
Right-Wing Attacks American Evacuees: ‘Ingrates,’ ‘Whining,’ ‘Spoiled-Rotten Little Children’
The Bush administration’s evacuation of Americans in Lebanon has been disorganized and lagged behind the efforts of other countries. As of yesterday, only a few thousand had been able to evacuate, and they departed “two days after the first Europeans left on ships.” Denmark, for example, “evacuated more than 4,000 of its citizens” by Thursday.
Conservatives have reacted to this incompetence by attacking the evacuees:
Rush Limbaugh, 7/19:
Even in the eyes of our ingrate, spoiled-rotten little children, brat-type ingrate citizens in Beirut, it’s our fault. (Crying.) “It’s a war zone. It’s a war! How do I get out? (crying) We’re having to shield ourselves from the sun in cardboard.” (sobbing) That’s embarrassing.
Fox anchor Neil Cavuto, 7/20:
The media is playing up a lot of whining, complaining Americans in this country who said there’s been no warning, no communication.
TownHall.com columnist Mike Gallagher, 7/21:
Amazingly, we’re not even going to charge these ungrateful evacuees for the free trip home. … Their sense of outrage and entitlement is slowly but surely becoming the American way. And it’s positively disgusting.
Fox anchor Steve Doocy, 7/19:
Shockingly, after they’ve been plucked out of Beirut, a lot of them are whining and complaining that, you know what, I had to sleep on the concrete and they didn’t have any food for me to eat.
Watch Fox & Friends (a Fox correspondent in Cyprus disputes Doocy’s account, describing the evacuation conditions as “really chaotic”):
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speechless.
July 21st, 2006 at 2:53 pmLimbaugh needs to stop taking Viagra, because it is making him go crazy like Ann Coulter > lol.
July 21st, 2006 at 2:54 pmWell my only negitive comment, is that I’m surprised ANYONE would want to live in that region. Everyone knows the Middle East countries have been fighting with each other for years, so why move there in the first place?
July 21st, 2006 at 2:55 pmAnd Denmark is closer to Isreal and Lebanon then the US is, so I’m not surprised that they got there first.
July 21st, 2006 at 2:56 pm#2
or maybe they just need to get together and get out some of that frustration. rush can satisfy his latent homoerotic urges with ann “the man” coulter.
July 21st, 2006 at 2:56 pmFox and Freaks
July 21st, 2006 at 2:57 pmOK post 5 lol > if Limbaugh and Coulter shack up it would be hilariously weird!
July 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmthis is so disgusting. they’re OUR citizens! Americans. OUR people! caught up ion a war… how do these people sleep at night….
July 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmIt’s like John Dean said–Conservatives without Conscience.
July 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmI truly believe you must have to sell your soul upon entering the reich wing…because it is blatantly obvious that these people are absent of one. It is plausible however that they never did have one and were drawn there first. Chicken or the egg?
July 21st, 2006 at 2:59 pmMeanwhile, there’s Rice: Lebanon cease-fire would be ‘false promise’
yeah, like elections in Iraq.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:00 pmSo, first, the wanted to charge them to ship’em home. Now, they insult them because they return home?
Again, why was so good being USA citizen?
July 21st, 2006 at 3:00 pmAnother Brownie running the show I’ll bet.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:00 pmAmericans are leaving Lebanon because when world war 3 kicks of Hezbollah has plans to kidnap and kill Americans in Lebanon -
July 21st, 2006 at 3:01 pmYep, the Right sure love Americans, when they are dead.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:02 pmMakes you wonder how organized the Rapture is going to be.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:03 pmyou’re so jealous of us. You wish people watched your left of Stalin programming.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:04 pmI heard on NPR that Shrubbie had never, not once left the United States of America (other than foraging into seedy Mexican border towns, probably to buy illegal pharmeceuticals and cheap booze) until becoming Commander in Chimp.
No wonder he has no sense of world affairs and the diversity and complexity of other cultures.
Shocking…?
July 21st, 2006 at 3:04 pmWe can’t rescue people from a hurricane with three day’s notice. We can’t rescue people from a war zone with nearly two weeks to consider it. What else can’t we do? Also we have a military presence oh right next door in Iraq and close by in Germany and in Italy so why is this so slow?
July 21st, 2006 at 3:05 pmYou could take being called whiney, spoiled brats by a Military lifer or some similar type but not by these panty waists.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:06 pmDieNowForPeace
This isn’t an issue of knowing world affairs, this is an issue of actually giving a damn when your own citizens are in danger. Bush doesn’t, and nor do the right wing.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:06 pm#11
July 21st, 2006 at 3:06 pmTell me o’wise one, when was the last time any cease fire actually succeeded in peace?
#you’re so jealous of us. You wish people watched your left of Stalin programming.
Comment by Suck the Baby’s Skull Out — July 21, 2006 @ 3:04 pm
What’s there to be jealous of?
July 21st, 2006 at 3:07 pm#19 What else can’t we do?
We can’t protect our own country, supposedly with the strongest military in the world, from 4 poorly flown aircraft on 9/11.
I think that’s the singularly most important fact we should never forget about this damn asleep-at-the-wheel redneck administration…
July 21st, 2006 at 3:08 pmIf Limbaugh or any other GOP fruitcakes were in Lebanon, then I would leave them there to be captured by Hezbollah!
July 21st, 2006 at 3:08 pmI would love to see Limbaugh try to go without food, water, or shelter.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:09 pmHow would these talking heads like it if they were stuck there? I suggest they’d be s**ting their pants. I know I would be. Keep on talking Fox News morons. Every insipid word that drivels out of your mouths is just another nail the coffin of Bush’s propaganda spewing “news” channel. The more they speak this nonsense, the less Americans are likely to sympathize with or believe what they hear on this channel. Clearly, Fox News does not care about Americans. If that wasn’t abundantly clear before, it surely is now. Bravo to Fox News! How proud they must be.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pmGrandpa Seth
When last did a war end? There’s your answer.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pm18# That would explain how he gets to brazil and says” wow brazils a big place”
even in G8 last week same thing “wow Russias a big place”
some people say you should not have a leader that has not been in a war zone
July 21st, 2006 at 3:11 pmbut a leader thats never stepped a foot of their country, come on
If the Hezbollah actually captured O’Reilly we should make the Hezbollah pay us to take him back!
July 21st, 2006 at 3:12 pmAnd yet the Limbaugh and his cronies whine like babies whenever they disagree with something.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:12 pmSounds to me that there are more than one lard assed drug addled gas bags on the reich…do they all take the blue pill to help them bang fourteen year old hookers in the Dominican Republic?
July 21st, 2006 at 3:14 pmWhen you learn how to read the subtext you understand their hidden motives and agenda. Here, for example, is one take of the subtext of Rush’s message:
“When all you care about is winning elections — when that’s all you care about is winning elections and figuring out talking points that will help you…”
“[We]‘ve got one core belief, and that’s winning elections, and then after that taking away as much of your money and your freedom as they can. But before they can do that they have to win an election….”
“Are we really a nation with the will to do what needs to be done in the war on terror?” (emphasis in original)
July 21st, 2006 at 3:14 pmLet’s see the Bush policy. Blacks left for 5 days while Bush watch them on tv because the distance was to long for the troops to get to help them. While 2 days Bush got soldiers to Lebanon I wonder why maybe I should ask the NAACP it took him 5 years to show up with a lie. Now Rove is meeting with Iran spies to plant bombs at the boarder of Iran so the US can go to war. Nice move. Notice that American Jews went to Israel to join in the war but wouldn’t join the US military. Bush is giving the Saudis 6 billion dollars worth of weapons. We did the same thing with Iraq years ago so expect the same thing with the Saudis. We will be going to war with Saudi Arabia when the criminal Bush Administration considers them enemies. It always happens when you Bush wants what you have he turns on you.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:18 pmJust further evidence that
American
Foreign Policy
is
rooted in
Racism,
And supported vigorously by the Democrats.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:18 pmVote Independent. Vote for Moral Foreign Policy.
This is just a sniff of the issues the thousands of Americans living overseas can expect when they look to the US Gov’t to “get them out.” I expect (and dread) that once the neocons dive into the Israel/Lebanon conflict it will not be safe for ANY American living overseas.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:18 pm#21 Bruce,
You’re right, but the fact is that this spoiled-brat, so called “World Leader” assumes everyone has their own private charter with escort to whisk them home in mere hours.
#29 Time Capsule,
July 21st, 2006 at 3:19 pmSeriously, I was so appalled, but it sure does explain his awkwardness abroad. Hell, I’ve never been to Brazil or Russia, but I do have a world map on the wall?!
Privliged little white people
The FOX crew, who didn’t go to Katrina and live like the po’ folk, didn’t go to Iraq because “it’s dangerous” and there’s no Perrier are bitchin’ about the US govt again failing it’s job to keep Americans safe? Sweden text-messaged all 5000 of it’s citizens and had them out of country in 48 hours. We’re the most technologically advanced nation on the planet, if someone knew what the hell they were doing we could have gotten ALL Americans out in 72 hours. But, the whine of the incompetant, that don’t give a damn for the Americans they are supposed to protect, is it’s a big complicated job and impossible. No it’s impossible for a moron but not a competent govt servant.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:19 pmThey love America my ass.
America == Americans. All Americans.
But the selfish, selfrighteous, two-faced, among us… you know them from grade school all through highschool and on into adulthood… you know who they are…. But these people only care for guess who… THEM AND THEIRS… yep .. they never change… and when they get in power with a BIG smile on their faces they make complete fools out of themselves and then hoot and howler afterwards about how great they were over and over like they got some kind of self-esteem problem.
And everybody else (Americans included) is just dirt… and they wonder why we dont give them a break about anything. We know in the end you would stab us in the back. We cant trust our liberties in your hands … we cant even trust Americas good name in your hands without you going out and murdering people without justice… supporting Israel blindly instead of supporting justice first … and then defense of Israel second… Places of power are not for Show offs.
We need real leaders who feel they have a job to do and are going to look at every situation with a level head so they can see where the strong footing is. We cant wipe the arabs out even when they keep attacking over and over because we know… and EVERYONE knows that we are NOT on strong ground in our actions. Israel would have been allowed to wipe out the arabs a long time ago if the arabs had no just right to make any demands… If Israel had just been sitting there for thousands of years minding their business and all the sudden arabs want to drink their blood .. then by all means bomb the arabs like we did Germany and Japan. Let them have it…. but we cant… be cause we are only partially right and the arabs are partially right. AND ONLY IDIOTS would keep going forwards killing each other without pointing out the area where both rights are together … and then change our standing to be standing over there… where we are completely right… and if the arabs want to join us then there will be peace… and if not… after we made things right on our end…. well then they just want war…
July 21st, 2006 at 3:21 pmSlowly, but surely, Americans are waking up to the reality that the world isn’t a nice place – whether you are in New Orleans, where they require the national guard to maintain peace and control, or overseas, where independent militias within weak nations have free reign in their region to start conflicts (Lebanon, Somalia, Sudan).
As China and India develop their economies, and the US economy loses those components of its economy that were wealth producing (textiles and manufacturing – commodities and medium to large ticket items), the “cozy” life that Americans once enjoyed will have been lost.
Trade deals, unions and minimum wage increases will only make America less competitive, and drive more jobs overseas, so our decline will be gradual, yet inevitable. American productivity is the only means by which our current standard of living will be maintained, and that can only be achieved through investment in educaton, training and technologies that increase productivity, which used to be tax deductable, but now aren’t. This policy has been hurting the American economy for years, and should be reversed.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:23 pmWhat’s the matter with those stupid Americans anyway? The news says Israel has been planning this attack for more than a year, so didn’t the people have plenty of time to get out harm’s way before Israel began their slaughter. And besides Bush is doing nothing about this situation, therefore what Israel is doing must be okay because Bush never makes mistakes. After all he talks to God.
Whine, whine, whine.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:24 pmCNN is reporting a massive build up of tanks, and Israeli troops, on the Lebanon border, so Israel is on the verge of a full scale invasion! Thousands of Lebanese civilians could be killed!
July 21st, 2006 at 3:25 pmRNC Memo to the Reich-wing Pundit Coalition:
Remember: We have to divert attention from are shameful response in Lebanon, so it is now blame-the-victim time once again! For anyone who is not familar with this plan, see the previous RNC Memos titled: “Katrina victims are to blame for everything”.
Pundits: Cross your fingers and hope nobody picks up on the fact that we are doing this once again.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:25 pmSlowly, but surely, Americans are waking up to the reality that their neocon governemnt leaders don’t give a shit about them–except for their votes in November.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:25 pmSlowly, but surely, Americans are waking up to the reality that the world isn’t a nice place
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Let me guess you are going to use your thousands of years of life on this planet and the wisdom that comes with it to educate us all about it? Or is that Bush the deciders job? Is he going to educate us about “the real world”?
Your kind live your daily lives in fantasy. What could you possibly offer the rest of us that wouldnt leave us staring at you in disbelief?
July 21st, 2006 at 3:26 pmmeant to type OUR shameful response, my bad.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:26 pmComment by Grandpa Seth — July 21, 2006 @ 3:06 pm
The most recent one that comes to mind is when George I declared a unilateral cease-fire after the 100-hour assault to free Kuwait. There may be other, more recent examples.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:27 pm#22 – Grandpa Seth,
July 21st, 2006 at 3:27 pmThe only one that comes to mind is Rome’s ceasefire with Carthage circa 146 BC, unfortunately, only one side survived.
I am sure a fair amount of the people there are Republicans
and I am sure they are going to appreciate the ridiculous comments coming from their fellow Republicans
At this point it should be obvious that many Repubs would throw their mothers under the bus in order to protect this President and his party…..
Yet again the level of heartlessness shown by Repubs is truly unbelivable…
July 21st, 2006 at 3:28 pm“We promise you all that we will not forget our people in Lebanon despite our suffering from the American occupation. I will continue defending my Shiite and Sunni brothers and I tell them that if we unite, we will defeat Israel without the use of weapons,” he said.
I want to remind you of a very important thing. The collapse of the World Trade Center towers in America” was almost five years ago, al-Sadr said. “The same way America’s idol collapsed, another idol will fall, and it is called Israel.”
July 21st, 2006 at 3:30 pmIsrael is learning the lesson the the neocons have yet to learn in Iraq–overpowering military might cannot defeat “terrorism.” You can kill terrorists, but it is obviously not a “zero sum” game–the more we kill the more others are recruited to take their place.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:36 pm“The world isn’t a nice place”
-Ted Bundy
July 21st, 2006 at 3:37 pm“No Comment”
Ok yes I do, I wish it was one of theri families over there, then you would see and hear a different attitude. Thats why its time for all Repuppetcan’s, DLC (Down Low Conservatives) members, and Neo-Cons to share in the sacrifices of their wars and conflicts PERIOD!!
now
“No Comment”
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 Inf (Stryker)
KIA 03 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Or as Tony Snow, The Repuppetcans, the DLC (Down Low Conservatives), and the Neo-Cons would say
#1462
July 21st, 2006 at 3:37 pmjason baddo
While I actually side with Israel in this war, (IE: I think it is for Lebanon to make the peace) I have to ask:
What has that got to do with the fact that American Citizens are not getting evacuated expediously? Or that they are being accused of being whining ingrates? Do you think that your post in some way excuses these personal attacks on the evacuees by Rush Limbaugh, Neil Cavuto, Mike Gallagher and Steve Doocy?
July 21st, 2006 at 3:37 pmWell, these whining, complaining American evacuees will be back in the States just in time to register to vote and they will be voting in November… and they will remember how the right wing trashed them when their lives were in danger… and they know which party panders to the right wing hate mongers… and they won’t be voting for GOP candidates .
Give Peace a chance.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:37 pmConservatives bash Americans trapped in Lebanon…
Compassionate conservatism at its finest, folks….
July 21st, 2006 at 3:39 pmOf course the richest, whiniest, spoiltest of them all got out first.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:39 pmhttp://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Ivy_Leaguers_were_evacuated_first_from_0721.html
Further proof that Fox only hires sociopaths as commentators. They must require an MMPI as part of the job application or evidence at least that they’ve spent time in prison.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:40 pm#11#
Meanwhile, there’s Rice: Lebanon cease-fire would be ‘false promise’
yeah, like elections in Iraq.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 21, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
Great comparison. I always enjoy reading your posts. They’re always intelligent.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:42 pmThe reason the right hates these evacuees is because most are of Lebonese decent.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:43 pmIt would be great if somehow all these right wing haters could be given a week to live in a cardboard box in the blaring heat while everything around them gets blown up with 1000 pound bombs.
What would Rush do for a whole week without hillbilly heroine and bonor juice?
Can’t you whiners use a mattress or a raft to float yourselves on over to Cypress on your own?
July 21st, 2006 at 3:45 pmThe gov’t. can’t be all things to everyone. You have to be self-reliant Americans like our forefathers. Now exuse me while I eat a big breakfasts, send a few E-mails and think about what to wear today.
#
If Limbaugh or any other GOP fruitcakes were in Lebanon, then I would leave them there to be captured by Hezbollah!
Comment by Jay Randal — July 21, 2006 @ 3:08 pm
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July 21st, 2006 at 3:47 pmAnd Jay, the best part of this is… the US does not negotiate with terrorist and won’t pay ransom for its captured citizens.
well, i would really have prefered the israelis just get rid of these whining terrorist-supporting lebanese americans… in fact, i think that we should have lebanese internment camps…
lets see. marlo thomas lives on fifth avenue, and i am on the upper-east side…i’ll run over and pick her up and send her to one of those cool halliburton-constructed ‘holding facilities’…
gotta run.
kisses,
ann
July 21st, 2006 at 3:48 pmEveryone, compare and contrast, just based on the news and what we have all read:
Israel is willing to go to war for the sake of two of its soldiers. It is willing to kill and die to get its citizens out of Lebanon, and hopefully out of danger.
America calls its Evacuees a bung of whining spoilt rotten little ingrate children for wanting the American government to get them out.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:48 pmBung should be bunch.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:49 pm#55 dope. you missed it didnt you. Al-Sadr said ” We promise you all that we will not forget our people in Lebanon…….et al
These words would have been profound and re-assuring if Bush addressed them to the trapped American citizens in Lebanon.! A Shite cleric demomstrates more compassion for his people than the so-called president of the free world for his own citizenry.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:51 pmOuch! The reichtwingnutz media is goose stepping in lock step.
How unusual!?!
July 21st, 2006 at 3:52 pmann, my sweet little arian doll,
i’ll go get kaycee kaysum on my way down to fox… michelle came over to see you a few minutes ago; i gave her a pint of hezbollah childrens blood and she left.
see you later, honey… i am probably going to have to do the show standing up tonight…OUCH.
yours,
sean
July 21st, 2006 at 3:53 pmjason baddo
Didn’t miss it, I just failed to see the relevance.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:54 pmanyone know where i can find jamie farr, tony shalhoub, and jack hanna?? if you see any of the above, please call fox news immediately to arrange for their pick-up and delivery.
thank you.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:57 pmWhat the #$!#% Outrage fatigue code blue. Why are these people being scapegoated? These people stuck in a war zone are WHINERS? Maybe next time Rush takes a wrong turn on the way to the Dominican Republic and ends up on the other side of island in Haiti we don’t have to rescue him. But that’ll be different, just like his opinion on drug addiction did a complete 180 after he was publicly exposed.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:59 pm/off topic
Israel Calls Up Reserves, a Sign of Wider Ground Raids
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/21/world/middleeast/21cnd-mide.html?hp&ex=1153540800&en=2a6dbe655bda96a4&ei=5094&partner=homepage
Time to finish the evacuation.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:01 pmOkay, so Cavuto says “whining and complaining,” Doocy says “whining and complaining…” Anybody else get the same memo with the buzzwords???
Tony Mac
July 21st, 2006 at 4:03 pm/off topic
oh, i don’t know about that… the demoization of the lebanese is a necessary precursor for an ground attack that will kill thousands of people. it all fits together quite nicely!
it is standard neoconservative extremism and racism, this time served up by israelis, funded by the americans!
thanks, #73
July 21st, 2006 at 4:03 pmWhat I don’t get is; why make negative comments about the evacuees at all? Is it because the evacuees are saying negative things about the failed republican government?
July 21st, 2006 at 4:04 pmThese Repugs make me sick.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:05 pmThat’s the same shit they said about the New Orleans evacuees. They must have all gotten their talking points from Fascism Central (AKA Karl Rove’s office).
July 21st, 2006 at 4:07 pmI’m sure Rush Limbaugh started whining when he got stopped at the airport and he whined loudly when the government wanted to review his medical records.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:09 pm#34 jackie
July 21st, 2006 at 4:10 pmWhat do you know about Rove and Iran?
Underhanded dirty tricks are his m.o. but I haven’t heard of him going to Iran.
I wish I could divert my tax dollars away from funding Isreal and its war machine.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:10 pm#18, I think he went to China or Japan for a short visit with his father, but he never left the tennis courts.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:12 pmOther than that, I think he never left the US. He never learned geography from books nor in person. Never learned history. Never learned about cultures around the world.
I heard several very grateful people happy to be out of Lebanon – and then I heard the “whiners and complainers” (Yes Tony Mac, very astute of you to notice!! ALL conservatives get identical talking points!!!!!!! We know the “culture of corruption” was simple spontaneity on the part of House Dems…) The people I felt most sorry for were the folks who went to Lebanon or lived in Lebanon BEFORE State Department warnings were issued in early May – those who had family emergencies to attend to after that date also have my sympathy.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:13 pm“The most recent one that comes to mind is when George I declared a unilateral cease-fire after the 100-hour assault to free Kuwait. There may be other, more recent examples.” – Shamaaaan Braid Fair
*****Now you’re a military expert??? Impressive!! Psst – FYI…. a cease-fire is not a peace treaty – but you KNEW that!!!
July 21st, 2006 at 4:18 pmon the monkey and his education:
it is widely understood that daddy bush had his old pal condi rice spend time at the ranch to show the fuhrer maps and books… i always pictured them all cozy in georgies bed, his head in her lap, while condi read him to sleep about what the word ‘europe’ means… quite touching.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:19 pmMA
It doesn’t exactly take a military expert to figure out that cease fires are a integral part of any workable peace process. It just takes not being a frigging moron.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:27 pmEven in the eyes of our ingrate, spoiled-rotten little children, brat-type ingrate citizens in Beirut, it’s our fault. (Crying.) “It’s a war zone. It’s a war! How do I get out? (crying) We’re having to shield ourselves from the sun in cardboard.†(sobbing)
So Limbaugh and the Pundits are attacking the Ivey League Universities that gave rise to Bush?
Way to go Rush! Attack the Monarchy that pays your salary! You can bet Rupert Murdoch aint gonna put up with you attacking the monarchs and the regents, not to mention a whole lot of powerful people with lots of cash!!
July 21st, 2006 at 4:27 pmMy momma told me at a young age, dont be goin and livin in other countries, bad stuff can happen. Seems like common sense not to go live in an unstable region. And BTW, what were thousands of American’s doing living in Lebanon? Was it for a really good paying job? (greed).
July 21st, 2006 at 4:30 pmThese comments about the people escaping another Bushcovites screwup is that there isn’t one of them who has ever experienced a single hardship in their whole whimpy lives. You suggest above to watch Faux. I would rather eat steel nails.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:37 pmWhat a bunch of losers.
Ivy Leaguers were evacuated first from Lebanon by private security firms, while students from other schools had to wait days for the United States Embassy to make arrangements, according to ABC News.
“When fighting broke out in Lebanon, college students studying there for the summer anxiously awaited their turn to evacuate,” reports ABC’s The Blotter. “As it turns out, if you were an Ivy League student in Beirut, your turn came first.”
“Harvard, Princeton and Yale are insured by International SOS and Medex, two private security companies,” reports the Blotter.
International SOS have organized three evacuations since last Saturday. A press release says that the firm’s Lebanon Crisis Management team includes “50 people across different alarm centres and on the ground” who “have worked round the clock to achieve the mission of providing support to our clients and moving them to a safe environment.”
“Arriving with well-equipped teams, these companies arranged everything for students from land- and air-route evacuations, to hotel rooms, to cold bottles of water at the Syrian border,” ABC’s The Blotter reports.
“International SOS did a fantastic job,” Robert Mitchell, Director of Communications at Harvard University, told ABC.
Students left behind were upset at their schools and the government.
courtesy of Rawstory.
Way to go RUSH!!!
“One student who wanted to remain anonymous for security reasons said, ‘It was unfair that the private, wealthy schools were afforded the luxury of a quick evacuation,’” ABC reports. “Both her university and her government, she says, failed to help her out of a dangerous situation.”
One Harvard student who was evacuated quickly by International SOS still wasn’t happy with the government.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:38 pmfox just trotted out the michelle malkin beast to say that hezbollah is in the united states! they have been here, plotting the end of western civilization since before 9/11.
today is a classic case study in neoconservative radical extremism: have the americans shipped out from lebanon, have israel prepare for a ground attack, send out the talking heads to demonize all things lebanese, show a connection with 9/11.
they now have a fertile warground with sufficient public backing to allow israel to kill several thousands lebanese….
and, since the ‘progressives’ are only now beginning to condemn the action, the neocons can take the advantage and run with it.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:44 pm#87 – Thank you Bruce, for imparting your military perspective….For those progs not as well versed as Bruce – A cease-fire agreement is not the same as a peace agreement. It is a cessation of hostilities as long aw agreed upon conditions are met. Breaking the conditions often results in a resumption of fire.
’til later….
July 21st, 2006 at 4:45 pmRen,
the US doesn’t negotiate with terrorists, unless it will win a presidential election. See Reagan, Iran-Contra, Ollie North.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:53 pmA little bit of the history of this argument:
Was Seth saying cease fires = peace treaties? No, he was asking when was the last cease fire that resulted in peace (presumably representable by a peace treaty.)
Briseadh answered fairly forthrightly. He did not, you will not state that a cease fire is a peace treaty, simply that that last cease fire led to peace. The peace treaty came later.
And here MA proved yet again, that she is an idiot.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:54 pmfox just trotted out the michelle malkin beast to say that hezbollah is in the united states! they have been here, plotting the end of western civilization since before 9/11.
Then I suggest Malkin along with Coulter, And that Walter Mitty paste eater and go kick some butt.
July 21st, 2006 at 4:55 pmfox just trotted out the michelle malkin beast to say that hezbollah is in the united states! they have been here, plotting the end of western civilization since before 9/11.
The only terrorist organization here (excluding ourselves, of course) is Mossad.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:02 pm“We promise you all that we will not forget our people in Lebanon despite our suffering from the American occupation. I will continue defending my Shiite and Sunni brothers and I tell them that if we unite, we will defeat Israel without the use of weapons,†he said.
I want to remind you of a very important thing. The collapse of the World Trade Center towers in America†was almost five years ago, al-Sadr said. “The same way America’s idol collapsed, another idol will fall, and it is called Israel.â€
Comment by jason baddo
Jason if Israel did to America what they did to the arabs we would feel the same way… being selfrighteous just makes a person look ignorant.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:03 pmyes, well, there are always patterns to these events. tried and true protocols that work on the american people, every time.
it is a shame that think progress does not take the advantage they have in reaching people to document these patterns. one must get inside the dark, rank, murderous mind of the neoconservative to act properly in anticipating, discussing, and exposing–with the hope of someday eliminiating–this awful stain on our country…
the bush crime family is predictable in their methods. we must also attack the shit-stain of the bush administration methodically…
July 21st, 2006 at 5:05 pm60, thanks. It’s hard keeping up though. Every time I look up from the Bar review books, there’s 100+ new posts!
You keep up the good work too, friend.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:07 pmRen,
the Decider likes him some roast pig. that he gives a shit about.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:12 pmDebt, dead soldiers, failed policies, poorly ran wars, those type of things he doesn’t care about.
#87 – Thank you Bruce, for imparting your military perspective….For those progs not as well versed as Bruce – A cease-fire agreement is not the same as a peace agreement. It is a cessation of hostilities as long as agreed upon conditions are met. Breaking the conditions often results in a resumption of fire.
’til later….
July 21st, 2006 at 5:18 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — July 21, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
Not too much longer now. My advice, spend your last day before the exams doing something that does not require brainpower. I cleaned my oven and went out for pizza.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:20 pmwhen was the last time any cease fire actually succeeded in peace?
Comment by Grandpa Seth — July 21, 2006 @ 3:06 pm
The most recent one that comes to mind is when George I declared a unilateral cease-fire after the 100-hour assault to free Kuwait.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 21, 2006 @ 3:27 pm
I was being responsive to the question counselor. The unilateral cease-fire declared by President Bush the First led to a peace that lasted until Junior invaded Iraq.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:21 pmThanks Jules.
Bruce, I see you posted pretty much the same as I! Thanks.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:24 pm#80
Here’s the article again and Rove met with the Iran spies at the White House.
July 21, 2006 — Informed sources have told WMR that arch-neocon Michael Ledeen, who acts as an unofficial foreign policy adviser to Karl Rove, was at the White House yesterday with a group of Iranian opposition figures. Among the topics discussed was a promised $25 million grant by the Bush administration to the Iranian insurgents. The money is to be used to plant Desert Storm-vintage biological and chemical weapons shells, confiscated by U.S. forces in Iraq, on the Iranian side of the Iraqi border. The weapons will be used as “proof” of Iran’s plan to “attack” U.S. troops in Iraq. That will be used to justify, ex post facto, the coming U.S. attack on Iran. Our sources report that George W. Bush dropped by the White House meeting to offer his support to the Iranian opposition operatives.
The plan is the same as the invasion of Iraq. The US planeted weapons on the boarder so when there found the US can invade Iran and Syria based on those lies.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:31 pmRemember Israel needs support so this way Bush can send troops in but notice American/Jews didn’t join in the invasion of Iraq or Afgan but it’s no problem for the US we can send minorities as their only numbers not human so who cares if they die.
My child is an active military officer but not worth a dime to the Bush Administration because he’s black and his value is less then an animal as Tony Snow pointed out with his Tar Baby all blacks look alike comment.
Bruce, off topic here, but worth looking at MA’s ability to argue the facts:
BUT the largest single predictor if a child is more LKELY to live in poverty TODAY is having married parents.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — July 20, 2006 @ 8:14 pm
A big SWAK for confirming the info I vaguely remember having read eons ago. Your cited information CONFIRMS my argument – - that keyboard must have gotten away from you!! HA!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — July 21, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
go figure….
July 21st, 2006 at 5:36 pmRemember in the 1980s when those American students in Greneda got caught up in a civil war, and all the conservatives chastised Reagan for spending taxpayer money to get them out?
No? Me neither.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:39 pmMaybe we could have given them a choice of mints on their pillows? I wonder if any of these refugees saw the weapons being transported from Syria and Iran into Lebanon. If you can afford to travel to Lebanon then you can afford to pay your way “home.” It’s not as if the State Department is taking a check BEFORE you board a ship or plane. Also, Comrade Pelosi voted FOR the bill that requires citizens to pay their way in case of an evacuation. If you care to check there are MANY travel warning about Lebanon so if they ignored them, they traveled at their own peril. Just be glad that our country is willing to come in and save your sorry asses AFTER you ignore warning not to. FYI Israel isn’t carpet bombing the length and breadth of Lebanon, they are targeting Hezbollah building and facilities. And please spare me the inflated Arab number on fatalities/injuries/booboos they wouldn’t know the truth if it hit them in the ass.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:40 pmI have been getting dispatches from an American in Beiruit at the U.S. government is performing about as well as they did in New Orleans.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:49 pmJackie – I hope your child is safe. All human life is valuable. It’s something that Bush the frat boy just doesn’t understand. He believes that the world revolves around him and his wants.
July 21st, 2006 at 5:51 pmThis just kind of proves what people can get away with hearing (and saying) when framed in a particular way…
I don’t agree with it, but I can at least see how the argument applies to Welfare, but exactly how could it be considered “entitlement” to not want to be killed by weapons supplied by your own Government?
July 21st, 2006 at 6:05 pmRetiredRepublicanSoldier: How do you spell comrade, comrad?
July 21st, 2006 at 6:19 pmhey it passed speeel cehck LOL.
July 21st, 2006 at 6:23 pmThere was a time when being an American citizen meant you could count on your government to protect you no matter where in the world you are. Get in trouble? Caught in a civil war? Call the embassy. They will take care of you. We leave no citizen behind. Part of the social contract.
These neocons want to change all that. Change what America is all about.
July 21st, 2006 at 6:40 pmAnd please spare me the inflated Arab number on fatalities/injuries/booboos they wouldn’t know the truth if it hit them in the ass.
Comment by Retired Republican Soldier #116
Retarded Repulsivescum coldSore,
…Die al Cracker scum!
…after you lose everything that means anything to you…
July 21st, 2006 at 6:53 pmWhen did we send a travel advisory out for Lebanon?
July 21st, 2006 at 6:57 pm#125, Being an american citizen today means that you are a moving target thanks to our Israeli “friends”. Expect no help from your government no matter where you are…. well you have AMEX I suppose……as Karl Malden used to say don’t leave home without it. BUT FLAG BURNING IS A FEDERAL CRIME. how sweet the world is.
July 21st, 2006 at 6:58 pmWhy hasn’t FOX been “nuked” during prime time when Scum Vanity, Pri*k Hume, Bill O’lielly and all their most TREASONOUS propagandists are on duty?
…Why haven’t they found Pus Limphog and Ann(drew) coldSore with their heads missing?
…they clearly don’t use them…
July 21st, 2006 at 7:16 pmHating America and covering up the incompetence of Bush – the only 2 things the RW media are good at.
July 21st, 2006 at 7:17 pmI guarantee you that if Rush had been in Beirut and wasn’t the first one on the boat out, he would have gone insane once he did get out. These un-American fools are supporters of incompetence…they are also participants as well. Truely disgusting.
July 21st, 2006 at 7:47 pmThese guys are totally obscene. One of their ilk suggested a few years back we “give war a chance.” Now we’re seeing the result. As described by Robert Fisk, it’s heartbreaking. So easy for Rush et al to be cheerleaders from thousands of miles away.
July 21st, 2006 at 7:53 pmFNC always seems to call everyone whiners. Well, everyone except who deserves it: themselves. It seems to me that they were whining about the whiners. If they actually went to their Beirut correspondent more than once a day, maybe they’ll find out what’s really going on inside Lebanon.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
July 21st, 2006 at 7:58 pmFNC’s Shep Smith: “It’s really sad that Israeli kids have to play in their basement because of rockets”.
Hey Shep, how about the dozens of
Lebanese kids that are DEAD because of Israeli bombs?
Only on SSA Blog
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
[...] To the right-wing, everyone is an enemy, even the Americans trapped in the warzone in Lebanon. [...]
July 21st, 2006 at 8:06 pmis it just me or does this picture make you wonder if it is a dick and two balls, or a beaver surrounded by damns?
July 21st, 2006 at 8:14 pm[...] Right-Wing Attacks American Evacuees: ‘Ingrates,’ ‘Whining,’ ‘Spoiled-Rotten Little Children’ En: American citizen, Lebanon, Civilians — July 21, 2006 [...]
July 21st, 2006 at 8:38 pm#116
Tucker Calrson interviewed a woman who said she had to sign an agreement
to repay her evacuation to the US gov. Amount 220K. Yes 200,000.00
Tucker asked her 2X – and she repeated the number.
yeah they can afford to pay. NO other governement charged their citizens
to evacuate – but of course you fascist would.
a-hole.
July 21st, 2006 at 8:57 pm122 ren, (Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy :)
the reprehensible quote I was referring to was the following by Mike Gallagher:
“Amazingly, we’re not even going to charge these ungrateful evacuees for the free trip home. … Their sense of outrage and entitlement is slowly but surely becoming the American way. And it’s positively disgusting.”
The only thing disgusting is to think of your fellow American in danger (let alone, fellow man) in this manner, but to answer your questions to the 3 specific inquiries you had about my post:
a) there are rightwingers (who i mostly don’t consider the “enemy”, just uninformed) who would hear these pundits talking about the Americans in Lebanon in such a disgraceful manner, and not think much of it because of the way it is framed.
b) ie: using language they are already familiar with normally used to insight contempt of the poor and needy like “entitlement”
c) Q: who are the “Israeli” bombs they are trying to escape supplied by?
A: us as in the U.S. Government
The truth is this blows their cover for their entire push for the “War on Terror” which is meant to supposedly protect Americans in the long run, correct? Well, if that were true, here is the perfect chance to support something that would get Americans out of immediate danger and they have nothing but contempt for these fellow American citizens.
Game Over
July 21st, 2006 at 9:30 pmOh, I think they should be charged the full amount? Pretty stupid to be there with a state warning? Oh I forgot, its a good place to obtain contraband and send it back to the states, now I understand why everyone here is so pissed.
July 21st, 2006 at 9:41 pmTwenty hours to cross and Canada still has only 300.I Am quite shocked to hear our ship was stopped several times,guess I know what the Israel government thinks of us.I always assumed foreign people would get some form of a window set up for mass evacuation.Can`t see why Israel could not hold off after the 5 or 6 day.
July 21st, 2006 at 10:02 pmPoor Marty, your a fool, they been there…. what’re u saying, might want to take an english class?
July 21st, 2006 at 10:04 pmEverybody with half a brain knows why they didn’t evac the Americans in a timely manner. Can you guess?
July 21st, 2006 at 10:20 pmOh, and Doocey is such a credible guy.
July 21st, 2006 at 10:29 pmI have to do it. It is really juvenile but I still have to drop a Doocey. Sorry all.
July 21st, 2006 at 11:02 pmI sit hear listening to CNN and other international news channels, seeing the information they are offering there viewers. First let me say I am neither on the right or the left, nor am I against the Jewish people or the people of Jordon or any other country. I am an American that is in self exile in another country. The reason I choose this, are my own and no I am not a criminal or a criminal in hiding. If I was I would not write this, back to the point…. The most of the people who make snide remarks about other people are usually those that lack self esteem or or the lack of some other virtue. Most of those love to attack others even tho they have never been to another country and what you know of the outside world is what you hear from the news or papers in the US., you feel so kool sitting there and saying things that you would not have the guts to say to a person to their face. When Hezbollah captured that Israeli Soldier and killed the other two across the border they were wrong as wrong as can be but also at the same time the Israelis are wrong for the tactics they are using also. It they are going to go after Hezbollah then by all means do so but not at the expense of innocent people No don’t get me wrong they are both wrong. And the Israelis have the right to go go after them. What I have found out is that the people in the States are not the people that I once knew.
1.Never would anyone in the US ever think… that torturing someone was the right thing to do.
2.Every use shock devices on children.
3.Never would a President I knew when I was in America ever think much less say the Constitution was nothing but a Goddamn piece of paper.
4.Never would a govt be so bold as to say they were above the law like this govt has done, and what laws they though they would have problems with they wrote new laws to go around them.
5. There are so many things that are going wrong and yet the people just sit there and make snide remarks about people asking for help. I remember when Our Nation the USA gave help to everyone that asked for it. That was what my parents taught me. To always help those in need if you could help them.
6.People sending death threats to a 15 year American girl that disapproved of the War in Iraq.
7.The US Govt telling lies and I mean lies and they were on national TV also and then later tried to say they didn’t say them.
But now we start hearing about how this is going to be WW III. I guess that there are those that wish it was so but it isn’t. But he truth is that as long as there are people that want to take what some else has there are always going to be a conflict no matter what side they are on on. So before I start rambling on and on let me say don’t believe everything you see and hear on the news especially the American news. It seems that they are waving the NWO banner now also. What you see is in the USA is not even one 10 of what you see outside of the USA.
July 21st, 2006 at 11:43 pmBushCo has stood before the cameras, repeatedly telling us that they will do whatever is necessary, (as they see it) to ‘keep Americans safe.’ They have to be able to illegally wiretap our phones, have access to our phone records, without our knowledge, or consent, look at our banking transactions, also in secret, but they are doing it for us. Because keeping us safe is their number one task. America has supported ‘rebel groups’ operating in other countries for decades. We have assisted in overthrowing democratic governments, so we could replace them with Dictators, who would do what we wanted them to do. Reagan/Bush illegally sold weapons to Iran, to fund the Contra rebels, also illegal. We have even given money to the Taliban. Most recently, GWB was giving money to Somali Warlords, hoping they would keep Islamic leaders from controlling Mogadishu, which failed. BushCo sat back, and said Israel has the right to defend itself. Fine. They were well aware of how many Americans were in Lebanon. They couldn’t have been ignorant of what Israel was going to do. So they knew Americans were in Lebanon, and that Israel would attack Lebanon, and that they were not going to interfere, at least not any time soon. But they made no plan for the protection of our citizens. They can’t go to the FISA court for a warrent, because ‘it took to long, they had to act fast, American lives were at stake.’ Gawd! I am so SICK of their CRAP! I can only hope that some of those people coming back from Lebanon are Fox News watchers, or ‘Ditto Heads’, and hear for themselves what is being said about them. Maybe that will snap them out of it.
July 21st, 2006 at 11:47 pmI totally agree ex. You can look at history and blame anybody in this situation. I actually identify with the Palestinians but they are certainly not innocent. Israel has been killing Palestinians and the Palestinians have been killing Israelis. Hizbollah takes the side of the Palestinians. However, they want to wipe Israel off the map. Why is it that neo-cons think this is such a simple thing like the good guys vs. the terrorists? This is not a black and white issue.
July 21st, 2006 at 11:50 pmWhile it is understandable the dangers the evacuees experienced, many of them where complaining about the trip itself. Ashely Manaccoia (don’t know the spelling) complained about the food, the boat (a floating refugee camp!), the flies, and the heat. Every one of these evacuees should’ve had contingency plans in place because such events occur in this region frequently.
The evacuees should be thankful that:
1. They are alive.
2. The American ships have made a massive undertaking to get them out of Lebanon.
3. Food was provided (and in some cases from the Navy Seals “Meals on Wheels” program).
Moving 25,000 people is a massive undertaking which cannot be accomplished overnight. What it boils down to is personal responsibility. When you visit Lebanon it should be well-known there are terrorists throughout the country. The State Department has a web-site that informs and warns visitors about each country they plan to visit. So in my book there is no excuse for not planning ahead and doing some research. http://travel.state.gov/
Rush Limbaugh was upset at the response of the evacuees concerning their trips on the boat, especially in the case of Ashley. Rather than bickering about her miserable circumstance she should have done what any American would do, and that is to ask “What can I do to help others?” Instead, she thought only of herself.
Any time you leave the USA you are on your own. The Constitution does not follow you. I have visited Second and Third World Countries and I can tell you that I make it a habit to research these countries before I leave. I have Plans A, B, C, and D in case there are problems. It’s high time people learned to take responibility for themselves and quit bickering about “This Administration.”
Since 2004 there have been four warnings about visiting Lebanon. They knew the risks. They knew the perils. The government will do all it can (and in this case it has done a remarkable job given the short time span) to help expatriates, but don’t bicker and moan if you weren’t served fillet mignon with a bottle of Chardonnay while being rescued. The idea in an evacuation is to preserve your life from potential harm, not to send you on a Carnival Cruiseline to Cyprus courtesy of us taxpayers.
And let’s not forget about the Lebanese who are left behind to undergo bombardment from the Israelis. While some Americans are griping about “This Administration” and the lousy food and the heat, try and realize that some of the Lebanese that were left behind may not see tomorrow’s sunrise!
You can make a Heaven out of Hell, or a Hell out of Heave. Take your pick.
July 22nd, 2006 at 12:06 amMaybe Limbaugh and Coulter should be dropped by parachutes into Lebanon, right on top of the Hezbollah fighters > may both of them rest in peace > lol.
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:15 am#254; Why waste the parachutes?
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:05 amOops. should be #154; I’m no good without my morning coffee.
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:06 amI have an idea……send the radical right to Lebanon….maybe then we will see who whines the most!
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:15 amDoes the USA Govt really believe that their computer systems are secure? Their dumber then dirt. IQ 02 Just 3 points below a ROCK. Look at their security on their systems. They leave a whole Cd disk full of information unsecured and someone steals it. The names of all the veterans and their address and other personal info. What a crock. Take for instance the labs and security sites… Hell anyone that works their can walk in with a laptop or a cell phone with a camera and what does the security people do ,should anyone say anything? Oh I know him known him for years he wouldn’t be a terrorist. There was a hacker from England that broke into their systems. Hell even on the news he stated how easy it was and how lack there security was. But now he’s been branded a terrorist.
They keep adding these dumb tariffs on the flights at the airports saying that it’s for security. They have been doing this for a long as I can remember at lease 30 years lol But have they learned anything? Yes how to take more of your money. oh sure they add a couple of guards but you would think that they would train them, more then they do. The excuses I have heard is “Hey I have got to babysit on that day or they call in sick or some other lame excuse.
Have yo ever been out to sea in a ship? No I don’t mean a cruse ship or a small boat I mean the cargo containers and the ships that use the sea routes in the Med or around south east Asia? I was one time and I couldn’t believe the Oil they had dumped in the Ocean to clean their tanks. Yes it is illegal to to do that but they do do it. Not everyone but a lot from what I understand from the crew on the ship I was on.
I always wonder why the news said that gas prices were due to the output of Oil when that a lie. Hell in Iraq the price for gas was 3 cents after the war stopped in Iraq. But now there paying what 1 US dollar to a gallon. Thank to the Oil companies that now control the Oil. Every time someone sneezes now the price of oil goes higher. And then I hear that maybe next year the price for a barrel of oil id going way above the 100 dollar mark. I guess this will make the people in the USA happy to know that they will pay 8 to 10 dollars a gallon. and forget what the people in Europe will pay for just a liter. Its not that they want to pay it but they have to cook and heat there houses in the winter time. Its not like in the USA when it get cold in the summer or fall you can turn on your heating system.. The heat is not turned on until the middle of OCT.
Okay! Okay! What is the point? There is so much corruption that it\s not funny. It\s like who has the biggest gang wins and that is just what they are in the USA now a gang. You don’t have to believe anything I say just clean out the garbage that has been pouring into your ears for years. I once told someone I loved that she would not believe me even if I could show her that black is black and white is white to include all the shades of gray in between and you know I was right. No I am not happy being right, I am unhappy because I wasn’t wrong.
Then there are those that are saying right now Yea right what in The hell do you know about Oil and The Prices. I watched how hight The prices shot up after Katerina and and The scum that went there and was scabbing off of The misery of those people down there in Lousinia, Not to exclude those that had money in Lousinia that were scabbing their own people.. You know who you are.
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:45 amI apologize for the grammar mistakes in my last post.
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:50 amThe political right will never send them selves into any place that is dangerous thats why they send the US Arm forces for, to enforce the garbage coming out of their mouths
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:53 amJust wanted to post that the new tactic being deployed by the GOP is to post comments trashing the Dems and encouraging people to vote Independent. Don’t even get into an arugment with the person encouraging voting Independent. This is just a ploy to distract and nothing more. If you must post, let the troll know that you are well aware of this new GOP tactic to keep control of Congress.
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:28 amOh,those tough,tough chickenhawk commentors.
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:11 amI guess Rix failed to understand my point.
All of these Americans in Beruit were to know the risks involved. Plenty of information is available such as the link I had posted. You could argue that the Americans knew the risks and went voluntarily knowing that there will be trouble. But, then why bicker and complain about the conditions on the ships such as the food, the flies, and the heat? When you have 25,000 Americans stranded in Lebanon don’t you think there would be some chaos at some point? That’s an awful lot of people to rescue in a short time frame. But I guess Rix, Plunder, and his cronies would have come up with better solutions.
When it comes to being rescued someone has to be the first and someone has to be last. Yet some of them expect to be treated like Thurston Howell III.
As for sending the radical right into Lebanon, how about sending Rix into Damascus?
Most posts on this site are chock-full of conspiracy theories, apoplectic rage, and guesswork, i.e. Plunger. He fails to notice that Israel is the most hated nation on earth. Over six million died under Hitler’s hand, alone. But Plunger would probably say that the Holocaust never happened.
I’ll say it once again. It boils down to personal responsibility, which means taking the initative to plan ahead. While there were some Americans who had no choice but to be in Lebanon, there were others who were vacationing there. Since warnings about the perils of visiting Lebanon had been well known since 2004, why would anyone want to go there?
You had better know the risks before venturing into a foreign country. When doing so, you do it at your own risk, just like swimming in a pool at the Holiday Inn. These Americans should have registered with the Embassy right after they first arrived rather than log-jamming the system when the fighting broke out.
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:42 amRe #18:
Actually, GWB in the mid to late 90s did one long trip overseas, he went to Israel, was hosted by Ariel Sharon (this is before he regained power) shown all around Israel by Sharon, which is why once GWB came to power right after Sharon did he abandoned any pretense of neutrality for complete support for Sharon and Israel. I am actually a little surprised that this has been forgotten given the current situation as well as the pass Israel has been getting throughout the GWB Presidency. So given this, and given the sympathy Bush told Sharon he felt for the plight of the Israeli people no one should be surprised at what they are seeing now in terms of the green light Israel got to conduct a massive long planned military operation throughout Lebanon over the ostensible need/desire to rescue the two soldiers. Does anyone really think they have any chance of coming out of this alive by this point? I rather doubt it, indeed Israel may end up killing them as part of the collateral damage of their massive bombardments of Hezbollah positions along with the civilian infrastructure and housing.
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:18 amRush, Coulter and the other Fox Fascists hate us for our freedom.
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:21 amDo you think that Limbaugh, Coulter and Fox would run any footage of a grateful person? Do you think they want to show appreciative comments? Their cynicism mirrors the line “If it bleeds, it leads” with an attempt to show that “everybody sucks but us”.
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:26 amLet me tell you a story from the Bible,
A Good Samaritan came across a person in distress on the road. He looked the situation over and saw that the man truly needed help. He then remembered a lesson he learned from his Fox-watching Conservative “Christian” father and said, “Sorry, you got yourself into this mess.. it’s your personal responsibility” and continued on his way carefully adjusting his WWJD wristband.
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:30 amIsrael GAVE the 97% of the West Bank and all of the Gaza Strip to the Palestinians. Talk about a concession of land!! There is no other country in the world who seeks peace more than Israel.
Comment by Right-winger — July 22, 2006 @ 2:06 pm
This was no gift; a more appropriate wording would be “Israel withdrew from the occupied terrotories of Gaza and the West Bank after years of defying UN resolutions calling for Israel’s retreat from those territories”. You must remember Israel always called these occupied land “territory in dispute” when, in fact, they simpy occupied land.
Israel’s withdrawal was hardly a concession -not to mention the Golan Heights that still haven’t been returned to Syria- but it was done to comply with numerous UN resolutions.
Israel gave away Southern Lebanon as long as Hezbollah would retreat. (…) Israel is forced to do what the Lebanese government should have done back in 2000.
There you go again: Israel did not “give away” anything. They returned occupied land.
Israel’s heavy-handed response is targetting civilian infrastructure in what amounts to collective punishment and in violation of international law.
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:55 pmsome poor criminal defendant won’t have to depend on your sloppy reading and/or research to save their life.
Comment by mighty aphrodite #140
puny hermaphrodite,
…for a brilliant “legal” mind who purportedly passed the bar on his/her first try…
…your writing skills are embarrassingly sophomoric…
…hopefully you aren’t responsible for preparing legal briefs or taking depositions on any cases more important than those involving small claims…
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:34 pm#164
Dude I don’t know what material you are made of, but you see, except the right wing, the rest of the human race has this little thing called empathy. The way it works is that you “understand” the pain of the other person who happens to be in a bad situation. The way the right wing works is to point and laugh at anyone who is in trouble and deride them for being weak.
‘O you got raped and murdered – obviously its your fault’! Its your world view and no matter what I say is not going to make any bloody difference.
However before I leave I have just one question if it was a loved one of yours in Beirut right now, I would like to see you say “o my dear you bitch so much”
Cheerio, hope you see the light of the day
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:19 pmDid the Republicans send a bill to the medical students “trapped” in Grenada when Mr Reagan sent in the troops to rescue them? Oh that’s right..they were needed as props and justification to go to war with that meance known as Grenada. So I guess Americans stranded in Lebanon just are not of the same value to the conservatives.
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:55 pm#172 – Jon,
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:44 pmNo, but W feels more threatened by pretzels – they are far deadlier than medical malpractice suits.
THE LASTTIME I CHECKED, IF YOU GET INVADED BY MULTIPLE COUNTRIES AND KICK THIER ASSES IN RETURN; YOU GET THE LAND AND BRAGGING RIGHTS?
Comment by ren- — July 23, 2006 @ 12:34 am
The last time you checked must have been the 19th century.
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:04 amWhy do these Republicans hate Americans?
I swear, these Republicans act like simpletons and do not like shades of grey in which makes up the world we live in.
We live in a nonlinear world with degrees of everything in this world. We do not live in a 1 or 0 world.
July 23rd, 2006 at 9:44 amwhy are any of you surprised?
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:20 pmThese are the same compassionate conservatives that maligned and misrepresented the Katrina evacuees.
They are the “tools” of the Bush administration.
Is anyone really surprised by the Zombie Right? Right-wing radio and TV is to conservatives what internet chat room are to Pedophiles: a place where like minded people share their perversions and feel validated by their comraderie. The herd mentality shown by the Zombie Right would fit perfectly in Hitler’s Germany or Stalin’s USSR. Actually I’m glad they don’t think for themselves. BAA
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:14 pmRen,
You need a reading comprehension course.
That “concession” is/was no such thing. It was done in compliance with UN resolutions. That was my point, and I thought I made it clear.
I have no clue what is it that you are trying to argue, but “finders keepers” does not apply for international affairs let alone for land grabs. Not anymore, that is.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:22 pmGregrrrr – Your side must have given up “the land grab” position after the demise of the Soviet Union….As you admit to being clueless about a conservative argument re: let me make this as succinct as Ren mentioned. Egypt, Jordan and Syria were losers in a war and Israel was the WINNER. (FYI – losers DON’T get to call the shots unless they’re Democratic losers and then they call lawyers….(i.e. Japan and Germany did not have alot of input on their surrender agreements.)
Your expertise of Un resolutions begs the question – please explain Hezbollah’s continued occupation of southern Lebanon in VIOLATION of Resolution 1559. (Come to think of it, I think the best thing the UN does is sell UNICEF Christmas Cards…. )
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:42 pm‘Right-winger’ speaks about ‘personal responsibility’, and the need to ‘plan ahead’. Too bad he doesn’t apply these standards to BushCo. When tensions increased between Israel and Lebanon, why did BushCo fail to ‘plan ahead’ for the potential need to get 25,000 Americans out of Lebanon? Instead, Americans in Lebanon should have anticipated that our Government would sit back, and do nothing to intervene, and would even approve of their (Israel’s) response. Yeah, how short-sighted of them. But if any Americans should happen to die in this conflict, BushCo would be ALL over it , and would be pointing at Hezbollah as the ones who were responsible. And their failure to plan ahead would be forgotten.
July 23rd, 2006 at 10:10 pmPat Buchanan slams Israel on attack of Lebanon
This is really emotional, and its from a very conservative American. I was touched.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFZDbDyinw
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:28 pmAs you admit to being clueless about a conservative argument re: let me make this as succinct as Ren mentioned.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — July 23, 2006 @ 7:42 pm
Thanks for the (unneeded) lesson in history, as I am fully aware of the six-day war. Had you actually understood my responses to right-winger and ren, repeating my point would be unnecessary.
I will repeat my point to you hoping it will sink in: Israel’s retreat from the occupied territories was no concession, but a compliance with UN resolutions. You, as a lawyer, should understand that complying with a legal mandate is no “concession”.
My point is as simple as that. If you have a counter-argument to that, let’s have it. If not, stop making yourself look foolish.
(…)please explain Hezbollah’s continued occupation of southern Lebanon in VIOLATION of Resolution 1559.
And you call yourself a lawyer?
Your reading comprehension skills are so lacking, it’s no even funny. Is this supposed to be a trick question?
First, let’s get some facts straight: Hezbollah could not have “occupied” Southern Lebanon as they are a Lebanese militia.
Resolution 1559 called for foreign (meaning Syrian) forces to withdraw from Lebanon, and for all Lebanese militias to disband.
If Hezbollah has violated Resolution 1559 is because they have failed to disband, not because they are “occupying” Lebanon.
Please -you are embarrasing yourself and anyone who reads this exchange.
July 24th, 2006 at 1:04 amI am sickend by the lack of sympathy for those caught up in this turmoil. As humans as people who care about others, I worry for everyone over there and wish that everyone gets home safely and to call them whiners is ridiculous. Let’s put these Fox News people, Limbaugh, Ann Coulter etc.. over there and let them find a way out and see if they are not a little shaken, upset, hungry, tired!! Jerks! People are just horrible, they talk about these people being “spoiled-rotten little children, brat-type ingrate” Who are they.. I am sure am positive that they would cry whimp whin more so than a regular citizen. Becasue THEY are the pampered ones. We the working blue collar of america can take a little pain! Again Jerks!
July 24th, 2006 at 2:37 pmOkay, let’s see if we can get this straight: The left is upset because Amerians who chose to visit, vaction, or even live in the middle east (A Place that has not known peace or a lack of violence in a thousand years – way before America get involved I might add) are not being evacuated fast enough. Even though the ships to carry them have to cross an ocean to get there. Anyone going to the middle east is aware that a high level of risk is present. Anyone acting surprised during this period is absurd.
July 24th, 2006 at 3:04 pmWhy is anyone surprised by the repugs comments? Look at what they did to the poor people that lost everything in Katrina and Rita! Anytime there is a group of people making the administration look bad (not because they’re out to make the administration look bad, but because the administration is failing them), out come the foot soldiers to point the finger back at the victims. Shameless and disgusting, yes… but, sadly, nothing new.
July 24th, 2006 at 3:42 pmGrggrrrr – There may be Lebanese citzens in Hezbollah – but if Hezbollah is a Lebanese militia, why don’t they fly the Lebanese flag? Ggrrrrggrrr you’re not as bright as the teachers keep telling mom and dad…..
July 24th, 2006 at 5:01 pm#184 – “Pat Buchanan slams Israel on attack of Lebanon”
****Pat Buchanan, anti-Semite extraordinaire, has been at odds with the State of Israel since Moses crossed the Red Sea. Seriously, Buchanan is an isolationaist libertarian – - many progs are isolationist libertines. I think you have more in common than you care (or dare) to admit.
When Buchanan left the Repubs to run with the Reform Party, I was delighted….He’s the skunk of the garden party…..
July 24th, 2006 at 5:21 pm(…) if Hezbollah is a Lebanese militia, why don’t they fly the Lebanese flag?
Comment by mighty aphrodite — July 24, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
For the same reason the US Air Force has its own flag. And the Navy. And the Army. And the Coast Guard.
I am truly flabbergasted by the level of inanity in your comments.
July 24th, 2006 at 5:22 pmGRgrrrr – Please show me where the branches of the US military opt to fly their service flags in lieu of the Stars and Stripes. They fly them in conjunction – but not INSTEAD of….Since when is a legitimate government militia not subject to the government…and please don’t cite your “friendly” military juntas…..
July 24th, 2006 at 5:43 pmTHEY HAVE ALL GONE CRAZY. DO THEY THINK EVERY USA CITIZEN IN LEBANON IN A DEMOCRAT. I WOULD UNDERSTAND THEIR INSANE RANTING IF THAT WERE THE CASE.
July 24th, 2006 at 5:48 pmMighty Aphrodite,
Your line of argumentation is nonsensical. Hezbollah is a Lebanese group with both a political and an armed wing. This is widely known, as it is the fact that they hold seats in the Lebanese parliament. It is also known that Hezbollah was created in the 1980s to fight against the Israeli occupation of their country.
Trying to prove they are not Lebanese because they may or may not fly the Lebanese flag is an exercise in utter futility.
If you have links to show Hezbollah is a foreign force in Lebanon, please share them. Otherwise you simply have no ground to stand on.
July 24th, 2006 at 6:00 pmWhen Reagen sent half the U.S. Military to “conquer” Grenada and rescue those unfortunate Americans trapped in a war zone, he was elevated to sainthood. Bush perfected the tactic of ignoring victims in a war zone or disaster zone after Katrina. Now the talking piont is these people are whiners and should not have been there in the first place. The sad thing is a lot of those who were recued, are probably Bush supporters. Now they get the chance to see what Bush really thinks about them. If they vote in the midterm elctions and support these same Fascists, they will continue to support the people who stabbed them in the back.
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July 24th, 2006 at 8:05 pmAmerica is one nation under israel! What a crying shame. Congress is an israeli occupied terriory! THAT SUCKS!!! ZIONISM is the new nazism of the millenium! Jews push to get their way & they are unstoppable!! Put them in their place USA!!
July 25th, 2006 at 12:19 amGrgrrrrr – I had dinner this evening with a couple of colleagues and a retired CA. Superior Court judge – all thought your arguments were irrelevant and speculative….but we knew that….
#197 – And a big Think Progress welcome to our newest KKK member, Ben GGrand Wizard. (Psssst…Ben, that “pushy Jew” argument is a little old…..). Mr. GGrand Wizard, stay tuned for shopping tips on where to save the most money on your white sheet and hood purchases. Jay Randal has quite a handle on bulk purchase savings, Oy!!!
July 25th, 2006 at 2:31 amHe’s the skunk of the garden party…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite #191
Careful puny,
…that’s your daddy you’re backstabbing…
… ONE of ‘em anyway…
July 25th, 2006 at 7:53 pmRight on Ben…
…ignore that al Cracker zionist propaganda who*e puny hermaphrodite…
…she’s got a retirement home in occupied Jerusalem…
July 25th, 2006 at 7:56 pmMighty Aphrodite,
I happen to be in good mood, so I will reply to your comment (I use that term rather liberally).
I had dinner this evening with a couple of colleagues(…)
comment by mighty aphrodite — July 25, 2006 @ 2:31 am
Why are you explaining this to me? I didn’t ask for it, nor do I have any interest in your social life.
Unless you are doing it for yourself, because you feel the need to justify your delay in responding. After all, it did take you over 8hrs.
(…)and a retired CA. Superior Court judge
I sense you are name-dropping to make an appeal to authority…
all thought your arguments were irrelevant and speculative…but we knew that….
This is really funny! You shared with colleagues and a CA superior court judge your exchanges with an anonymous person on a blog!? And they didn’t tell you to get a life?
What is even funnier is that you claim they all thought my arguments were speculative, since you were the one speculating over Hezbollah’s flag. I merely stated a fact that is widely known: Hezbollah holds seats in the Lebanese parliament.
But that’s not all: you claim you knew my arguments were irrelevant -yet you engaged me and replied over and over.
I don’t believe your little story: Anyone who is semi-literate knows Hezbollah holds seats in the Lebanese parliament -that is not a speculation.
Dinner with a CA retired superior court judge… hahahahahaha
July 26th, 2006 at 9:05 pmMore Americans are waking up everyday to how bad their administration really is. But its probably too litlle and far too late. Unfortunately America has had an appaling reputation abroad for a very long time, and deep down I feel that a different govt wouldnt make that much of a difference, at least to us non Americans. Helping to weaken and overthrow legitimately elected governments is a favourite pastime of American government. Never forgetting to preach “democracy” to its people and the sanctity of democracy, of course. The problem is rooted deeper than this administration. Although Bush and co take the biscuit for blatant insults to its people and the world, and the repetetive, unrelenting lying. The USA govt usually only insults the intelligence of non Americans and reasonably educated Americans. It seems they are now insulting the intelligence of Americans who have very little intelligence. The only ones left backing the administration cannot help but come across as Nazi like zealots, or the kind of citizens that point to Australia on the world map as being North Korea and Tazmania as being South Korea. As long as politicians from both camps, have stakes in big business, various monetary enterprises, investments etc that benefit as a direct result of decisions and policy making nothing will get better. Conflicts of interest, most notably at the very highest levels of administration, results in a heartless government that puts personal wealth before its people. America is heading towards a police state, and I honestly cant see how things set in motion can be reversed……well I can. Voilent revolution!!
July 28th, 2006 at 12:18 pmBy the way word “NAZI” means National Socialism. In essense it’s much closer to
August 11th, 2006 at 1:56 pman Oh so educated “progressive” left than to capitalist pigs like Bush and myself.
Good day
After reading the posts on this site for several months there seems to be some consistency as to the feelings of the “bloggers …..let me summarize……because somewhere in my following list you (yes, you the wacko “progressiveâ€) will find an answer to ALL of the problems that America faces today….or at least the person/persons that are responsible for such a miserable existence that we must trudge through in America…..America the damned!!! Each of the items below are just a snippet of what “think progress†stands for….so…in your words….
Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate…
Fox News is Hitler’s SS version of propaganda…
The Democrats are waayyy too conservative and right-leaning….
The Republicans (gulp…I said the word Republicans) work for the Devil…
Lieberman is a Bush crony that never accomplished anything for the state of Connecticut…
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
The War in Iraq was certainly for the oil and making rich people richer!!!
Halliburton? Planning the war(s) for years before 9/11…
9/11? Bush not only knew exactly what/where/when/how…..he helped to plan it…..
9/11? The towers were not taken down by airplanes…American C-4 explosives were strategically placed to “take ‘em downâ€â€¦.
Bush planted the C4…along with the help of Cheney and Rumsfield…
The War in Iraq was certainly a follow-up to papa Bush….and his “failure†in removing Saddam…..
Terrorism is not that big of a deal…it should be monitored and controlled by our police agencies….not the government….
OBL is not that bad….hell, America created him!!
Saddam is not the bad…hell, America created him!!
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not that bad….he does not want nukes for weapons…its all about the fuel baby!!!
Problems in the Middle East…Americas fault…
Darfur? Bush and Cheney are not fully responsible for the genocide—but at least 78%….
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Try to resolve the problems in the Middle East??—Why does America feel it should stick its nose in others business…
Israel…America’s puppet….
Israel is the cause of most of the problems in the Middle East….Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization—they were “elected†into a position of power in a democratic government!!!
America did the worse job of evacuating its citizens from Lebanon…Denmark did the best…Denmark is #1!!! Denmark is #1!!!….
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
American flags are made for one purpose….to burn!!!!!!!!
The primary run off in Ct proves that the American people want an immediate withdrawal from Iraq….
AIDS in Africa killing scores? Bush’s Fault….well, maybe 82% responsible…
Socialism #1…Communism #2….Dictatorship #3…Democracy #4…as ranked by the bloggers on “Think Progress†as best form of govt….
Global Warming is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
The short-comings of American schools…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
The short-comings of Health-care….a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
Oil?….ever since man has been able to process it into a usable fuel….all the problems have been…..a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
Wal-mart=Capitalism=Bush cronies=Conservatives=devil
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Mexican Immigration problem? No problemo…
Katrina?….a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……not the response—the actual cause of the hurricane…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive
Katrina…response to it?….Bush hates blacks…..it’s that simple……did I mention Bush hates Mexicans, Canadians, French, Italians, Spaniards, Russians, Irish, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Aussies, Swedes, New Zealanders, anybody that might be of south American persuasion, anybody that might be a mix bred, anybody from Africa-even if they “look†white, and of course…all Muslims….
Did I mention that according to this site that Bush hates gays? And wants them dead?
The economy—-the worse it’s been in the history of America—-….is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
International relations? well—before Bush we were loved from china to south America…but now—America is hated all around the world and we need to kowtow to the Europeans and Islam so they like us…..we want other people to like us…we really want other people to like us………please like us…..please?
Homeless problem in a city/town near you?…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…
Abortion is good (million+ innocents a year)…Death penalty is Bad (handful of convicted criminals a year)….
(Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Lines at the super-market….. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…
Howard Stern being fined for foul behavior/language…. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive….
Katrina “evacuees†in Houston or other cities committing hideous crimes?… a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
Christian groups are bigots and things such as “faith day†(at a ball park after the game) are nothing more than the radical rights attempt at “christian-izing†us….
America’s military is weak and the Draft is right around the corner…
“God†should not be in the Pledge….
“God†should not be on our currency…
“God†should not be……….
Cindy Sheehan should not be questioned nor debated…..her son died for her right to hang out in Crawford dam it!!!
America went to war unprepared….look at the hummers!! They have absolutely no armor….and its Bush’s fault…
Democrats and Republicans are all the same…evil…out for themselves…slave-masters (its in their family history)…sex addicts…and of course out to kill Americans in a fake war that was based on purposely fraudulent intelligence…
The (mass) media is covering up everything!!!
Good policing and investigative work is called—racial profiling!!!
“Minimum Wage should be at least $18.00 a hourâ€
“Progressive†reporters get kick out of all the neo-cons news briefings…
“My phones have been taped because I went to an anti-war rally!â€
“My cable has been on the blink and my phone has been making weird noises since I went to a anti-war Rallyâ€
Anybody that makes money and lives a successful life MUST be doing something that hurts the poor or crippled….
Taxes and more taxes are good for the economy…tax cuts/breaks only help the millionaires…
SUV’s were created by conservatives that wanted to help out their “oil buddiesâ€â€¦
People should not be expected to take care of themselves!!! That’s the role of government…
People should not be able to invest their social security account as they wish!! That’s the role of the government…
If I forgot a topic or an issue please just fill it in with the following…
“BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA..BUSH IS THE DEVIL BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…REPUBLICANS ARE THE DEVIL… WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA…AMERICA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD…-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…â€
IN CONLUSION::::::
I have posted this because it addresses nearly all the issues that “think progress†and its bloggers believe/state/dream about….in other words, this post can be placed on any of your blogs and it will make sense……thanks “think progress†bloggers for making this so easy….if you think my post is foolish….please remember—these are your words (with some editing liberties taken…oh I forgot—I should not mention anything about taking liberties)….dam America!!!
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