Number of embryos that have been “adopted” out of 400,000 that are stored in fertility clinics, according to Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA). President Bush vetoed a bill last week that would have expanded federal funding for stem cell research using embryos that would otherwise be discarded. (HT: Atrios)
ADOPT A CLUMP
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:12 pmAmerica’s domestic policy vs America’s foreign policy
SOURCE
This week, George Bush used his presidential veto to block a bill on stem cell research, saying he couldn’t support the ‘taking of innocent human life’. In Iraq, six civilians are killed by a US air strike, while casualties in Lebanon and Israel mount. George Bush (and Tony Blair) oppose UN calls for an immediate ceasefire
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:13 pmMaybe the military could take up the slack and adopt the other 399,872. We need more Chrustian soldiers killing for Christ.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:15 pmAmerican foreign policy
U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis
SOURCE
WASHINGTON, July 21 — The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel, which requested the expedited shipment last week after beginning its air campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, American officials said Friday.
The decision to quickly ship the weapons to Israel was made with relatively little debate within the Bush administration, the officials said. Its disclosure threatens to anger Arab governments and others because of the appearance that the United States is actively aiding the Israeli bombing campaign in a way that could be compared to Iran’s efforts to arm and resupply Hezbollah.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:17 pmI hope the Russians give The Taliban more weapons
I Hope the Iranians give the Iraqis more weapons
The other side of the worlds foreign policy then
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:18 pmThis is the perfect opportunity for all conservatives out there to put their money where their mouth is, and adopt one (or more) of those “boys and girls” who are “not spared parts” before they are discarded (i.e., destroyed).
Further -and to be consistent- since Pres Bush thinks using these embryos for stem cell research is “murder”, he would agree that discarding fertilised embryos would also be murder and anybody involved is an accomplice to a crime -they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
But I won’t hold my breath. This is yet another “wedge issue” designed to cater to his faithful followers and that does nothing but hinder scientific advance.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:24 pm399,827 to go! Question, is it a violation of their constitutional right to liberty to keep them frozen? Doesn’t that amount to incarceration without due process of law? After all, these are boys and girls were talking about, hundreds of thousands of human beings being kept barely alive in an involuntary state of suspended development.
Someone should institute a class action suit against the fertility clinics for false imprisonment! For that matter, their parents should be haled into court on child abandonment charges!
What’s with the Conservative Christians on this one!? Each discarded fertilized egg is murder! These fertilization clinics are murdering more children than all the abortion clinics ever did! We need more laws to protect these children!
[is this sarcasm, or the reality of the absurdity of the white house position on stem-cell research?]
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:25 pmUh, let me see if I understand this: Of the 400,000 embryos only 128 are given birth, and the others are eventually sent to the great unknown?
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:26 pmThere’s truley none blinder than those who refuse to see (the hypocrisy)
C’mon, you didn’t think that I’d leave this out in this week’s Assclowns, did you?
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:27 pm#8 - beavercleacer,
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:33 pmW appears to carry cave fish and bat genes.
Yeah and what will be done with the rest of the embryos? I bet they all get flushed down toilets > way to go you damn dumb Bush chimpanzee > resign you creepy fool!
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:41 pm#5 -
Who says that? Honestly.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:43 pmThe president’s veto is aimed squarely at mainstream Republican voters, who are apparently as dumb as owl shit.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:49 pmSo much for the Pro-Life claims of the extreme right.
Not only are they discarding the unused embryos, but they are also discarding those conscious lives that might have been saved or improved with the research developed by stem cell technology.
So, actually, discarding those unused embryos is less Pro-Life than using them.
The neocon hypocrisy never fails to appall me.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:50 pmSomeone please help Bush to divorce Laura, so he can run off to Borneo with Chancelor Merkel of Germany > they dream of neck rubs together > lol.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:57 pmAnd Laura can then get hitched to Hillary > I know bad joke, but I do not give a damn anymore! Bush clan and Clintons make my skin crawl > they are a bunch of vile liars!
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:09 pmah, the israelis are following all the bush crime family cues!
as bush wanted to bomb al jazerra, the olmert crime family has just leveled the lebanese television facilities…
as 100,000+ lebanese refugees flee northward, to avoid the usa provided bombs, no sense in allowing a television station to broadcast alerts or warnings, or the locations of humanitarian aide.
hey, think progress, there is more to the world than several dozen causasian snowflakes added to the mix, kthnx.
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:10 pmthe smokescreens, the beautiful smokescreens! stem cells, the flag, homosetuals, ann coulter’s throat, michelle malkin’s tan, condi’s lazy eye, hillary’s hips, bill clinton’s penis, joe lieberman’s chins, fox news…
to hell with all that! people are being killed with george bush’s bombs!
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:22 pmI don’t know what’s worse pointing out the hypocrisy of the right in not stepping up 400,000 strong to adopt these cells or imagining the horror of being adopted by Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O’Rielly….Ugh.
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:25 pmNYT: Frank Rich: President Bush’s ‘passion of the embryos’
http://www.rawstory.com/ news/ 2006/ Frank_Rich_The_Passion_of_embryos_0722.html
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:25 pmfor those of you scoring at home:
one dead israeli invadiing soldier = 100 dead lebanese civilians
two captured israeli soldiers while on lebanese soil = 100,000 lebanese refugees
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:34 pmfox is asking some silly fool how poor ‘israel could possibly beat lebanon when iran gives them all that money: $100,000,00 a year’… are their viewers really that stupid???
lets see: $100,000,000 a year from iran > $2,000,000,000 to israel from bush…
okay. oh, if anyone is interested in how much you are each contributing to the death of lebanese civilians, click here.
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:41 pmPost 22 > Bush gives 10 billion to Israel yearly now > about 2 billion is in cash!
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:43 pmwell, the british may actually break with the bush crime family over this one! a progressive website might have linked to this story…
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:53 pm[…] In any event, those embryos adopted will not be discarded, like the others (which are discarded rather than used for research that might help millions). According to Arlen Specter, 128 embryos have been adopted from the 400,000 available, an adoption rate of more than three-hundredths of 1%. […]
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:53 pmYes james > it is hard to find documented information on how much aid is sent to Israel now, because Bush is trying to have that classified! We the American people are not supposed to know how much $$$ gets sent to them! 10 billion figure was amount mentioned by a Neocon before he remembered to shut his yapper > most of that amount represents military hardware and armaments sent to Israel for FREE, but a couple billion is cash and out of that Israel bribes every member of the House and Senate to support Israel > a real circle jerk because our own aid funds are used as campaign money for politicians of both parties! Makes me sick to think about it actually!
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:54 pmSo how many of those cells were killed to create the babies that Bush surrounded himself with when he announced his veto? I bet thousands were killed. Yes killed to create those adorable little children. Sometimes you have to look at the end and wonder if it justifies the means. Don’t you, Mr. Preznit?
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:57 pmjay, and what i think is rather amazing is that israel gets a checkbook with, say, a ten billion dollar balance, and they then write checks to bush’s cronies in the miliatary industrial complex… the sole function of israel, but for when they are killing people for us, is to launder money from the us taxpayers to the special interests!
gotta love it!
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:59 pmNow we destroy the unused embryos thereby their killed yet killing en embryo by helping to discover a cure is killing. Something is wrong with this picture. But don’t worry folks as Papa and Mama Bush need a stem cell cure the law will change it always does. Thank goodness Bush wasn’t the one who made the decision on the medical discovery of penicillin. None of us would be here to blog. Laws always follow the need by those who make the laws. Remember Ronald Regan made it a life’s work to support stem cell research because he saw it would him and others.
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:06 pmjames > everything related to Israel makes me ill > they even pay the press to foist propaganda justifiying them murdering civilians in Lebanon > makes me nautious!
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:24 pmSorry to be OT here, but what’s with Bill Clinton supporting Lieberman?
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:31 pmAfter Lieberman was the most vocal critic of Clinton/Monica now Clinton supports him? Can’t he just remain quiet?
Post 33 Marie > I sent a fax to Dem members of Congress on that subject, but they seem to be in denial that Bill Clinton no longer works for the Democrat Party! He has sold out to the Bush clan, and now does anything to help Bush supporters like Lieberman > I think he cut a deal to have Hillary installed as president in 2008 election!
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:37 pmHow does Bush condemn ESCR as “murder” when he acknowledges that out of 400,000, 128 have been implanted and brought to term. What does he think happens to the rest. Frozen animation for eternity?
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:40 pmIf the feds won’t fund the research, the private saector will continue t do so. Isn’t that tantamount to tacit acceptance of corporation “murderers” from his point of view.
How does he justify the lives of afflicted people who might be rescued from ESCR?
Even his most celebrated case- the one that brought him to the WH in the midst of his Crawford vacation, in the middle of the night - Terri Schiavo — might she have benefitted if ESCR had advanced just a generation earlier?
The ignorance of GWB - whether it be in science, geography, history or even the English language - is stunning. Does anyone know, can he add and subtract? Or does he call it “cipherin’.
If I were a responsible Bush Republican, I would start waging a battle on the very serious problem of embryo pornography.
I mean, they should write up a bill to deal with Internet embryo porn, to find and arrest embryo pornographers, because clearly those people are sick — exploiting innocent embryos, putting them in sexual positions, taking their pictures, and putting them online.
But obviously the Bush administration and its Bush republicans are too busy waging a war on science and facts and reality, instead of protecting innocent embryos.
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:49 pmAgain, we are all overlooking the big picture. Haliburton has the contract to dispose of the unused things. We just couldn’t use then for some lifesaving enterprise and see Haliburton’s profit drop below $20,000,000.00 PER DAY next quarter. Heaven and the Intelligent Designer (Note I didn’t say intelligent decider) forbid!
Click on Clyde to Bash on Bush
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:14 pmHow in the world can a man who has the blood on his hands of at the very least 100,000 human deaths talk about the morality of saving groups of cells. If Jesus were alive today, he would have nothing to do with this hypocritical, so-called “good Christian”. I’m glad I’m not one of today’s “good Christians”. I’d rather be moral.
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:36 pm42. the edition of Assclowns of the Week: From Russia With Love Edition that’s now up. Bush hogged three spots, as you can expect, and it starts off with an Olympic-class takedown of Ann Coulter.
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:45 pmPost 38 > look at the first Bush pic on the Assclowns thing > there is an empty beer bottle in front of Bush on the table > blow that pic up to see the brand > you have proof that Bush is drinking again and was drunk at the G8 meeting!
July 22nd, 2006 at 8:55 pmwow!!! here is the official fourth reich spin on the arm sales to israel:
ready…
the shipment of bush’s bombs to israel is ACTUALLY a humanitarian thing, because, if bush didn’t send them more of these precision bombs, the fighting would be bloodier
this has got to be the winner in the ‘lets just make up shit and have fox spin it for us award 2006‘
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:31 pmohh, and the bombing of the CHRISTIAN lebanese television channel with bush’s bombs by israel, may have been a ‘mistake’ and they ‘may not have intended to hit it’….
i love fox!!! fair and balanced.
note to self: next time in manhattan, urinate on the fox buiding.
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:35 pmIsrael is lying about everything they are doing to Lebanon, but Bush, our Congress, and the US press are helping Israel, so hard to get the truth out!
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:39 pmjay,
that is why it would be great if a site, oh, say, think progress, took the lead on the issue and shoved it down the throats of its readers the way it does with global warming and barack obama driving in a car…
progressives never like to make declarative statements. for example, \’if any democrats–ANY–vote for the bolton nomination, you shall be dead to the progressive community, and we shall never trust you again\’.
the neoconservatives will win this battle because our strength is in the people who have opinions, whilst our \’leaders\’ are too limp to declare that certain things, certain ideas, are not acceptable. joe lieberman is not acceptable. hillary clinton and her husband supporting joe lieberman is not acceptable.
progressives must learn to attack at the throat and hold on until the enemy is dead…but, progressives mistake passivity towards the oppressed with passivity towards the strong. progressives are misguided, and, in all honesty, the people who run this site are not helping matters…
instead of being anti-occupation, anti-oppression, anti-bush, and anti-israel, this site–because of its leadership being ex-clinton politicians–will not speak truth to power.
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:49 pmYes james I agree, but last week the Congress basically all voted YES to support Israel?!
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:05 pmAll 100 Senators voted YES, and 410 out of 418 House members voted YES too, so only 8 members of the entire Congress refused to back Israel’s aggression to vote NO! One is Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, a Republican moderate who hates Bush, and another one is Rep. Dennis Kucinich > I do not know who the other 6 are yet, but the Israeli lobby will punish them most likely!
128 lives saved - that’s all that needs to be said - hopefully the rest will be saved as well.
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:09 pmJames, this is our site. You have your own site and can post as often as you want on whatever topics you want.
We post on topics we think are important. This has included the current conflict between Israel and Hizbullah. It also includes topics like stem cells and global warming.
If you don’t think this site is valuable, you don’t have to come here. But please, don’t fill up the comment section with incessant complaints about our topic selection.
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:11 pmTake your meds Jason and do not swallow an embryo by mistake > lol.
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:13 pmjudd,
are you the one that sent me an email NINE days ago that said:
post #42 only has one sentence regarding your topic selection; if you think that is ‘incessant’ than i suggest that you have other problems with my comments: perhaps the pointing out that you have ex-clintons running your site? perhaps that you are silent on the issues i raise because you are too worried about offending your contributors?
i do find your site useful, but, if you can’t take some very constructive criticism that you have DROPPED the ball on the invasion of lebanon, then, i suggest you are the one that shouldn’t be running any website with the word ‘progressive’ anywhere near it!
i await your response to my email of ten or eleven days ago–as soon as you have ’something to say’!!!
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:21 pmhi, jay,
the vote you are speaking of is here…. i don’t want to bust your kucinich bubble, but, he voted ‘present’… :(
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:28 pmWell james > 22 did not vote for it > Kucinich at least did not vote YES! I know Conyers, Waters and Lee > Ron Paul voted NO! So 410 voted aye like I said, 8 nay, 4 present, and 8 Not-Voting, so that makes 22!
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:43 pmit is disgusting, isn’t it jay…
but, i have to ask what is the downside for these guys? no one calls them on it… just you and me? mmm, i don’t think that is enough ‘ummpph’.
we need to somehow shame these democrats into knowing that this sort of vote is not acceptable to the independents and the progressives… the nation magazine has gone on record that they will not support ANY candidate that is pro-war. that is a start. but, there has to be more movement.
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:48 pmjames there has to be punishment, but hard to punish 410 of the 432 members of the House of Representatives! In a way they knew they could get away with this vote, but we have to try calling them on it, or remind them of their vote after Israel has slaughtered a few thousand Lebanese civilians! The vote saddens me, because it shows Israel controls our government somewhat!
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:06 pm186 Democrat House members voted YES to support Israel > wow that is sad!
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:13 pmokay, so then it is over… if they have no motivation to switch–to vote properly–then, they must all be replaced. if not, then, we are at the end of the line.
if i am forced to choose between clinton/whoever and mccain/leiberman i will receive my ballot, fold it up into small pieces and stick it down my shorts and leave…
to avoid such ‘folding’ we need to ‘motivate’ these 400 to act properly… if one of the ‘reporters’ in beirut shows 100,000 refugees starving to death…oh wait, that won’t work either.
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:16 pmjames it’s frustrating dealing with the Congress to do the right thing > in many ways they act like a flock of sheep who follow each other over a cliff! Perhaps if they would read the foreign newspapers, more than the American ones, then they might get better info. to make their decisions?! In this case I think AIPAC/Israel lobby contacted them to vote yes!
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:28 pmCould I adopt one of those embryo-cicles as a tax deduction? I think I’m gonna need one next year. Anybody know how much they cost?
I’d keep it next to the chicken breasts and peas, because they’re easier to keep track of and cheaper to raise when they’re frozen. I would hug it, and love it, and name it George…
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:37 pmZooey > just don’t eat the embryo by mistake with the peas > lol.
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:45 pmJay,
It might be nice with a side of peas…and a nice red wine.
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:46 pmI love Lewis Black’s routine where he equates frozen embryos with mini pizzas. Fantastic!
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:49 pmgoogle “bill clinton, support lieberman” :
* journalinquirer - Bill Clinton to campaign for Lieberman in Waterbury
By Don Michak, Journal Inquirer 07/20/2006
Former President Bill Clinton is slated to campaign on behalf of the three-term incumbent Monday in Waterbury, Lieberman’s campaign spokeswoman said today.
… Steinfels said Clinton was expected to speak in the late afternoon, but added that plans for the event are still being made.
* captainsquartersblog
* newsmax
* The Fix - washingtonpost.com’s Politics Blog
Former President Bill Clinton, a beloved figure among liberals, will campaign for Lieberman next Monday…
Jay Carson, a spokesman for President Clinton, said that the former president and his wife share the same position. “President Clinton is looking forward to campaigning with Senator Lieberman on Monday and will work hard to help ensure he wins the primary, but he respects the primary process and will support the candidate that wins the Democratic primary“
* http://lamontblog.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 07/ bill-clinton-to-support-primary-winner.html
Bill Clinton To Support Primary Winner
Well, that’s quite the blow to Joe. It’ll be great to see Sen. and Mr. Clinton campaigning for Ned Lamont (D-CT) vs. Joe Lieberman (Lieberman-CT) after August 8th!
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Here’s the Metro-North schedule, Bill… don’t miss the train!
* abcnews - Clinton to Help Lieberman Against Rival
HARTFORD, Conn. Jul 20, 2006 (AP)— Suddenly trailing in the polls, Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman is enlisting the help of former President Clinton…
Clinton and Lieberman are scheduled to campaign together in Connecticut on Monday
…Several Senate colleagues, among them Democrats Barbara Boxer of California and Ken Salazar of Colorado, plan to campaign for Lieberman in Connecticut. Clinton, however, is the party’s rock star as well as the one who would revive talk of interns and impeachment.
…Leading Democrats in the Senate Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and John Kerry of Massachusetts have said they would back whoever wins the primary.
a bit confusing… will have to see what happens monday…
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:56 pmhope he misses the train!
Bill Clinton loves to play political Russian Roulet, so his helping Lieberman is very dangerous gamble for his wife’s political future! Joe is disliked by a clear majority of Democrats, so Bill is walking the plank on this deal, along with Hillary!
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 am57 - that’s fava beans and chianti…
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:22 amAnother good one from Frank Rich in “The Passion of the Embryos.”
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:22 am53 - I wonder if it’s too late to qualify Cindy Sheehan for write-in? At least she’s met with many world leaders and talked to them about finding peaceful solutions to international conflicts…
just a thought…
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:25 amI’m at a loss of words to describe this one:
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:16 amhttp://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=24262
Groping the German Chancellor is probably not in Emily Post’s guide to good foreign relations.
Perhaps there is a way to convert these blastocysts into cancers. Then we can implant them into Rapepublican Congressmen, and those men can carry them ‘to term.’
After all, since curing cancer is clearly not a goal they share, why don’t they show their love of life by giving a deadly strain of microbes some adult bodies to work with?
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:32 am#5 I hope the Russians give The Taliban more weapons
I hope the Iranians give the Iraqis more weapons
I hope the Pakistanis give a nuclear bomb to the Iraqi rebels so that they can drop it on the heads of the 130,000 occupying crusaders.
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:33 am#43 100 + 410 = 510 accessories to war crimes. Im wondering if this gutless bunch sleep at night knowing they have just contributed to the deaths of innocent women & children. Oh I forgot such images are never let through to the ground in America, it would simply upset their children!
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:45 am128 lives saved - that’s all that needs to be said - hopefully the rest will be saved as well.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 22, 2006 @ 10:09 pm
And what if they aren’t? I mean, I am an organ donor for the very same reason - there’s honor in being able to save other lives when yours is up.
You say that 128 lives were saved. But what of the tens and hundreds of thousands that are lost because Bush vetoed this bill? You value the 128, why not the thousands of others who are already here?
There’s no guarantee that an embryo will become a child. Sometimes nature aborts them. Not the same with conscious life. There’s 100% guarantee that a child with an incurable disease will be a dead child. How do you close your eyes to that? What about those lives? Don’t they matter after birth?
Life is not a right, no matter how much you lie to yourself while you eat your chicken wings and hamburgers with zero regard for anything that isn’t acceptable life to YOU. You value clumps of cells over living, breathing life. You people disgust me.
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:23 am#68, unbelieveable,
As I have stated before, I would never destroy a life to save my own. True, perhaps not all those embros would fully develop either through failed impregnation or miscarriage, or the baby would die young of disease, etc., but that IS life.
Too funny - libs say “life is not a right”, but a job is a right, affordable health care is a right, affordable housing is a right, social security is a right, so you have have a job, health care, housing and a S.S. check, but not your life.
July 23rd, 2006 at 10:04 amJason,
I think you’re a bit twisted, bud. How can you value the “life” of a bundle of cells over a father with a critical illness that is trying to raise a family of four? How ’bout the single mother who’s now wheelchair bound that can’t reach out and touch her children and has to burden her family with constant 24-7-365 care to help her with the basics of life?
When you can come up with a reason other than your RELIGIOUS based beliefs as to why one life is more precious than another, please share with us. I bet you can’t do it. You’re arguement lacks any logic, and is not based on reality.
You’re just a sheep.
Hey, wait….. it’s Sunday morning. Shouldn’t you be in Sunday School right now?
July 23rd, 2006 at 10:22 amrealized a BIG mistake in my post #59… should say:
July 23rd, 2006 at 10:41 amat news.google.com, search “bill clinton, support lieberman 
definetely different results… just to clarify…
Too funny - libs say “life is not a rightâ€,-JM Hendler
What’s not funny is how many cons appear not to care much about the innocent lives of those recently killed in Lebanon.
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:08 am#42 jr and #43 Jay
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:56 amIn attending local Democratic meetings and meeting candidates, etc., I see the “middle of the road” approach prevailing. I think it’s a big mistake because the Democratic base is growing more furious and frustrated, while attempts to attract moderate Republicans and independents are not making effective inroads.
Hopefully? And if they’re not, will you seek justice for their murder? Can you overcome the hypocracy of the position against stem-cell research and support the death penalty for those people running the fertility labs who murder fertilized eggs by the thousands?
Will you call for their incarceration for the false imprisonment of tens of thousands of boys and girls?
Or is this just another political issue where you can make yourself out to be “holier than thou” without any real care behind the right to life you espouse?
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:06 pmit will be illegal to masterbate and flush the sperm down the toilet soon
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:25 pm10 billion life sentences in prison per wank
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:25 pmI have been listening to the embryo arguement and I have a question. If you fry a fertal chicken egg will you be eating a fried egg or a fried chicken. Maybe they can use livestock for the rest of the unused embreo. The genetic is already set all they need is a woumb. Just a thoght.
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pmAs I have stated before, I would never destroy a life to save my own.
You eat chicken wings. They come from chickens. They are killed (destroyed) so that you may eat them. This nullifies your statement.
Not everyone believes that human life is extra super special. Only those of you who need to believe in in order to be selfish.
True, perhaps not all those embros would fully develop either through failed impregnation or miscarriage, or the baby would die young of disease, etc., but that IS life.
So then why not do something valuable with those clumps of cells that are not even viable or conscious life yet, if they are slated to be destroyed or discarded?
Too funny - libs say “life is not a rightâ€, but a job is a right, affordable health care is a right, affordable housing is a right, social security is a right, so you have have a job, health care, housing and a S.S. check, but not your life.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 10:04 am
I never said that. You can’t catagorize me just because I am liberal. I happen to think that there are no rights in life. I just believe that because we have a conscious view of the world we have a responsibility that accompanies that. A responsibility to the conscious, viable life that is - not to potential life that MIGHT be. See the difference? One (the first) is a certain thing, the other merely speculation. How do you keep missing that?
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:43 pm#70, mgooder,
There are a great many tragic circumstances in life, but NONE of them justify the termination of other human lives to alieviate those circumstances. BTW, my beliefs in defining when life begins, and then protecting the right to life, is NOT based on religion. It is necessary to have a firm definitions and protections, because without those definitions and protections, infanticide, genocide, euthanasia, slavery, and all other eugenic practices would be allowed. Exceptions to a right to life / liberty arise from unfortunate circumstances (fetus endangers life of mother) or destructive / harmful behaviour (murderers, rapists, molesters, etc.) - there is no inconsistancy here. NO life is better than another, which means one life should not be sacrificed to improve another life (with the exception of the impregnated fetus endangering the life of the mother).
#72, Dr,
As stated above, destructive / harmful behaviour will cause a forfeit of a right to life / liberty. If the Lebanses harbor terrorists, and do not flee Lebanon after Israelis drop leaflets letting them know an attack is imminent, then they have forfeited their right to life/liberty by choice - there are no innocents in Lebanon, they are choosing to die.
#74, Bris,
There are suitable punishments for those who destroy life - namely, they should be removed from positions in which they are able to destroy life, which is no different then pulling the license of a doctor that practices euthanasia. I am not trying to score points or impress anyone, just trying to protect life as I define it.
#75, Time,
Better enjoy it while you can ….
#77, Navy,
You would be eating an undeveloped fetus, the consistency of which ranges from protoplasm to tissue depending on development. Believe me, if you ever cracked an egg with blood in it, it would be a very long time before you could eat eggs again - take it from a midwesterner.
#78, unbelieveable,
Wow, MUST I state HUMAN life in this conversation just for you, when it is already understood to be the topic of this thread?
Those embryos slated for distruction should be made available for adoption, and not used for research or destroyed.
It is fair to show the hypocracy of the liberal positions on “rights”, when necessities are made rights, when the ability to live is NOT.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:10 pmnot to potential life that MIGHT be. See the difference? One (the first) is a certain thing, the other merely speculation. How do you keep missing that?
Comment by unbelievable — July 23, 2006 @ 12:43 pm
He misses it for the same reason he’s ok murdering actual innocent civilians in Lebanon, to prevent potential innocent deaths in Isreal.
It’s the same hideous perverted logic, and it’s all about us versus them, and control.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:12 pm#80, Brian,
No, it’s perfectly consistent. Life / liberty is protected unless / until someone forfeits those rights through bad behaviour, like firing rockets into northern Israel or harboring those who do. Lebanese are NOT innocent, because they harbor Hezbollah, which even the UN has mandated must disarm, but ONLY liberals are more worried about the rights of terrorists and their supporters, than those they victimize.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:19 pmthere are no innocents in Lebanon, they are choosing to die.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 1:10 pm
Here is Mr. Hendler at it again, justifying collective punishment by blaming the victims. What a twisted, sick logic.
The dropping of warning leaflets does not relieve Israel from its reponsibility for following international law and for respecting civilian infrastructure & lives. Those leaflets are the height of cynicism.
Anyone who blames the victims is morally bankrupt.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:24 pmBTW, my beliefs in defining when life begins, and then protecting the right to life, is NOT based on religion.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 1:10 pm
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Ok, so, are for or against the death penalty? How ’bout killing of innocent women and children in an illegal war? Hummmm?????
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Those embryos slated for distruction should be made available for adoption, and not used for research or destroyed.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 1:10 pm
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Meanwhile, back in reality-ville, unwanted children are placed in foster homes on a daily basis, unwanted by their parents, and go for years without true parents. There’s plenty of them up for adoption, especially those of the lower, impoverished minority classes.
Oh, and, in case you didn’t notice, all of those “snowflake” children behind Bushwacker during his veto-rationalization speach where WHITE. Hummmm…. Interesting, don’t you think?
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:27 pmthere are no innocents in Lebanon, they are choosing to die…
but ONLY liberals are more worried about the rights of terrorists and their supporters, than those they victimize.
-JM Hendler
There ought to be an automatic right-wing nutjob siren that sounds whenever someone posts something like this.
The US dropped leaflets on Hiroshima and Nagasaki before we nuked them, too. Do you think that no innocents died there as well, simply because we told them about the impending danger in advance?
And suggesting that libs are more concerned about the rights of terrorists than those they victimize is complete and utter nonsense.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:30 pmBack on topic -
Here is more to show the complete lack of logic and consistency in the Bush adminsitration’s stance on stem cell research:
Some proponents of the pro-life movement argue against morning after pills, IUDs, and contraceptive pills on grounds of a concern for causing embryonic death. What has gone unnoticed, however, is that the pro-life line of argumentation can be extended to the rhythm method of contraception as well. Given certain plausible empirical assumptions, the rhythm method may well be responsible for a much higher number of embryonic deaths than some other contraceptive techniques
Journal of Medical Ethics - The rhythm method and embryonic death
What to do then, if a) the rythm method causes embryos to die and b) willingly ending an embryo’s life is murder? Should the couples who use it be prosecuted for murder?
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:36 pmWow, MUST I state HUMAN life in this conversation just for you, when it is already understood to be the topic of this thread?
Nice attempt at distracting from the fact that you were busted on your claim to NEVER destroy life.
Yes, with me you have to differentiate. I’ve explained why. We are just one of many species to inhabit this planet. Though 6.4 billion strong, we are not more than all other living creatures combined.
Those embryos slated for distruction should be made available for adoption, and not used for research or destroyed.
What happens when they run out of time? You do know that there is a limited window in which they must find a uterus or they will die, right? Then what?
It is fair to show the hypocracy of the liberal positions on “rightsâ€, when necessities are made rights, when the ability to live is NOT.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 1:10 pm
But if I don’t believe there are any rights, then there is no hypocrisy to point out. But, since you were talking specifically to me in your post, I didn’t think I had to point that out…
The ability to live? That’s a new one… I think you meant the right to life. There is no right to life. It’s why some life kills other life to eat. And when we destroy this planet badly enough with too many people, you’ll be surprised to see which people will eat other people to survive (see Easter Island for a factual example of this behavior). Then what?
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:38 pmIt’s the same hideous perverted logic, and it’s all about us versus them, and control.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — July 23, 2006 @ 1:12 pm
Well said.
And fear. They are very, very afraid.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:40 pm#80, Brian,
No, it’s perfectly consistent. Life / liberty is protected unless / until someone forfeits those rights through bad behaviour, like firing rockets into Iraq or harboring those who do. Americans are NOT innocent, because they harbor the Christian Taliban, which even the UN has mandated must disarm, but ONLY republicans are more worried about the rights of terrorists and their supporters, than those they victimize.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 1:19 pm
Always interesting how they make arguments against themselves…
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:42 pmMeanwhile, back in reality-ville, unwanted children are placed in foster homes on a daily basis, unwanted by their parents, and go for years without true parents. There’s plenty of them up for adoption, especially those of the lower, impoverished minority classes.
Comment by mgooder — July 23, 2006 @ 1:27 pm
I read that there are currently over 100,000 unwanted children in foster care.
Until we can care for the ones we have, we shouldn’t be making any more…
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:46 pmGregor & unbelievable,
Maybe we could take it all the way back to the Saturday night at the bar, when the guy gets turned down by the girl. That girl (vessel) should be prosecuted for wasting the opportunity to create the all important embryo…Ridiculous, eh?
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:50 pm#84, Dr,
Yes, those Japanese who lived near, and worked in, the Nagasaki and Hiroshima weapons factories were NOT innocent lives.
#86, unbelieveable,
If you don’t believe in a right to life / liberity (and pursuit of happiness, which is a major phrase in the Declaration of Independence), then you can only be power-based in construct of life and living - might makes right, tyranny of the majority, etc. Without fundamental protections, there is ONLY tyranny.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:51 pm#90, Zoo,
For me, life begins when a sperm fertilizes and egg, creating a unique cell from either the mother or father. Your analogy does not apply, although it is interesting that you associate being in a bar and getting pregnant, as opposed to meeting someone through work, school, church, etc. - that tells us all something about you.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:54 pmThat girl (vessel) should be prosecuted for wasting the opportunity to create the all important embryo…Ridiculous, eh?
Comment by Zooey — July 23, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
Why not, the far right takes everything to absolutist extremes as it is. I mean, why stop at already created embryos? Let’s go after all potential forms of human life (so as long as they are blue-eyed, blonde, white babies…)
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:12 pmYes, those Japanese who lived near, and worked in, the Nagasaki and Hiroshima weapons factories were NOT innocent lives.
By your logic, Iraqis are bound to do everything in their power to kill as many Americans as they can. School children, babies, women and men. Roughly 50,000 Iraqis have been “sacrificed” in the effort to project the threat away from the american “homeland”. To fight them there so we we don’t have to fight them here. Isn’t that the perverse slogan?
Since in your estimation all are guilty by association, so too are all american civilians of the atrocities committed in Iraq. Even the joke parliament “elected” under the rigged system foisted on them by Brenner has acknowledged the depth of american culpability. Given the sheer volumes of deaths, Americans en masse are far more guilty than anyone living in Lebanon.
This is your logic of course, the logic of the brutal and the powerful. But 5% of the worlds population cannot maintain a hegemony of force for very long. It is already being resisted, and will no doubt be resisted violently by the clones on the “other” side that embrace the same murderous ideology that you do. God help you and us if that day dawns.
The fortunes of those that choose the sword can change very quickly. In 1940 hitler was cock of the hoop, champion of the German people and undisputed emperor of Europe. Five years later, he was dead along with another 50 million people, and Germany was a shattered ruin.
Those of us on both sides, on all the sides that reject that ideology must unite against it. Peacefully. Remember those that hate, can only co-operate with their own “kind”. Those of us that embrace diversity can draw on support everywhere.
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:14 pmIf you don’t believe in a right to life / liberity
Not what I said Jason. I said there are no right in life. I didn’t say we couldn’t, with our awareness of the world, decide to create them, follow them, and punish those who don’t. Clearly we can. We did.
(and pursuit of happiness, which is a major phrase in the Declaration of Independence), then you can only be power-based in construct of life and living - might makes right, tyranny of the majority, etc. Without fundamental protections, there is ONLY tyranny.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 1:51 pm
No, there is not ONLY tyranny. Read some history dude. Preferably some not written only about white people by the rich white guys with microscopic winkies.
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:15 pmthat tells us all something about you.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 1:54 pm
Yes, that she lives in a Red State…
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:16 pm#94, Brian,
Again, you extrapolate too far. I am talking about people who did not leave an area where they were WARNED of destruction. It is our failure to stand against terrorists that have emboldened them to attack and then hide among civilians, so civilians will have to learn the hard way to either root out those terrorists themselves, or leave when we attempt to root them out. If they stay, they accept the consequences.
#95, unbelieveable,
Sounds that your experiences with men have been unsatisfactory, perhaps you should stop dating liberals. Please cite examples of governance that didn’t protect life / liberty yet wasn’t tyrannical. Oh, I forgot, native American and African societies didn’t have a written language, just oral tradition, so you can make up whatever you want.
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:56 pmLol Jason > why should unbelievable date a Repub guy? Most of them are ugly like Duke Cunningham or Rush Limbaugh > lol. Some have money, but they usually stole it, or swindled it from somebody!
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:03 pmSo, fertility clinic employees who commit mass murder of hundreds of thousands of boys and girls should lose their jobs, and that is sufficient punishment? Jason, you are being consistent in your hypocricy, I’ll give you that. You should be screaming for the death penalty for these mass murderers. Instead, the most severe consequence you would impose is that they lose their license? Where’s your righteous indignation? Where’s your sense of justice? Why are you so willing to let these murders off the hook? Why are you not crying out for the death penalty against these death-dealing doctors?
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:08 pmSounds that your experiences with men have been unsatisfactory, perhaps you should stop dating liberals.
Yes, Jason, ad hominem attack when you can’t debate the facts.
You’re wrong, as usual, about my personal experiences with liberal men. It was the conservatives I used to date that made me wonder why any woman ever wanted to get married. It’s like a second job, but without any pay. When I’m ready to get married, it will most defenitely be to a liberal man.
Please cite examples of governance that didn’t protect life / liberty yet wasn’t tyrannical. Oh, I forgot, native American and African societies didn’t have a written language, just oral tradition, so you can make up whatever you want.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
I thought you were pretty happy with the Wencelas example… or was that Chase? It’s hard to tell all you rich white naive neocon boys apart…
I don’t have to lie and make up stuff. I actually leave my livingroom and speak with people who are different from me, I read non-fiction books, and I’m not afraid of that which is different. Try it sometime. You’d be amazed that you ever fell for the neocon propaganda.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:11 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 1:54 pm
And when a virus invades a cell, causing it to become cancerous, it is a life; a unique cell from either the mother or the father. If you use the uniqueness of a cell’s structure to define when life begins, then you should be arguing for the tumor’s right to life as well.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:12 pm#99, Bris,
The difference is that today there is no general agreement that those embryos are human life, so given that lack of a clear understanding, I would only remove those individuals from a position where they can destroy embryos. Should society ever agree that those are human lives, pass laws making it a serious crime, inform all those who handle embryos about the seriousness of that crime and its consequences, then more serious punishment would be appropriate.
Even today, many deaths are ruled less serious - manslaughter, etc., so the death penalty is not always the appropriate consequence for the loss of life.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:14 pmSo, women are not volunteering to have these blastocyts implanted into their bodies. There’s a message in this… Bush needs to stop drinking and paying closer attention to all the facts… but then again, no one has ever accused Bush of being a strategic thinker.
Can’t trust Republicans to tell the truth.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:15 pm#101, Bris,
Wow, you are no better than unbelieveable in requiring complete definitions - a unique viable cell from which a new human life will develop - although you could probably continue to parse that.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:17 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 1:10 pm
Life / liberty is protected unless / until someone forfeits those rights through bad behaviour, like firing rockets into northern Israel or harboring those who do. Lebanese are NOT innocent, because they harbor Hezbollah…
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 1:19 pm
Then you must agree there are no innocents in America, we have all chosen to die. Americans not only harbor terrorist groups (inner city gangs, the mafia, etc.) but America engages in State sponsored terrorism and supports terrorist dictators around the globe. Remember, America supported Saddam for years, giving him money and armaments which he used to kill his own people as well as attack two neighboring countries.
By your reasoning, every American has forfeited his/her right to life.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:21 pm#105,
Bris, your extrapolation is not valid. Al Quieda doesn’t warn targets that they are about to be hit. They don’t wear uniforms, so that you know who is friend or foe. They don’t live on bases or in encampments apart from civilians, to prevent civilian casualties.
There is NO comparison between how they conduct war, and how we conduct war.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:28 pmJames Risser…
We are all well aware of the brutality that is happening in Lebanon. Cheney and Rumsfeld had a hand in this action. If this attack on Lebanon was planned one year ago, why did the Isrealis wait until 3 months before the US elections? Because this is a DISTRACTION from the failure of this current Congress and Administration in everything that they do. The Republicans do not want the voters to be reminded of:
Republicans goal to dismantle Social Security,
Republicans focus on gay marriage instead of affordable health care for all Americans,
Republicans insisting to “stay the course” in an illegal war in Iraq,
the disaster of the Iraq war,
failure to capture Osama BinLaden,
Corporporate interests before American citizens interest…
This is just to name a few of the failures of the past 5 years.
I respect your posts. They are intelligent and honest. The country needs a change in direction and the next opportunity to do this is November the 7th. The Isreali invasion into Lebanon is a DISTRACTION from the Republican Congress and this administration’s failures.
Can’t trust a Republican to tell the truth.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:30 pmI’d keep it next to the chicken breasts and peas, because they’re easier to keep track of and cheaper to raise when they’re frozen. I would hug it, and love it, and name it George…
Comment by Zooey — July 22, 2006 @ 11:37 pm
Bet Ricky Sanitorium would do the same thing.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:34 pmYou’re right there. We began bombing Baghdad without warning.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:36 pmI am talking about people who did not leave an area where they were WARNED of destruction.
That makes it ok then? Any armed group can instruct any group of innocent civilians to leave their homes, their schools, to head off down the road (assuming there is still a road) … wherever.
If they “refuse” to obey, they are fair game? To be killed at will by the massive, American subsidised military of the Isrealies?
How is this remotely different from a German commander posting a proclamation in a French village, to the effect that 10 random civilians will be shot for every German service man killed by the resistance, and following through?
How is this remotely different from a policeman putting a gun to the child of a criminal and threatening to kill the child unless he surrenders, and then actually killing the child?
You are a faciliator of monstrous policies, and when you are older and wiser, I hope you’ll try and repair some of the damage you’ve caused.
Collective punishment in any situation is sick and depraved. It kills the body of the victim, but it destroys the soul of the perpetrator. The casual brutality of your comments beggars belief, and 10 years ago would have been unthinkable. Yet GWB and his minions have dragged the world back to the 1940’s. I shudder when I look at Iraq and Lebanon, what a nightmare those people must endure. Because of facilitators and enablers like you Jason, because of you.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:37 pmOh, and Jason, please stop calling me Bris. It’s Briseadh, a Celtic word, not Bris, a Jewish circumsision ceremony.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:38 pmThere is NO comparison between how they conduct war, and how we conduct war.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
I am frequently intruiged by mental gymnastics required to refuse any analysis whatever of the motives of terrorists. Yet when to comes to “our” people, a never ending list of explanations, extenuating circumstances and sympathy is trotted out to defend “our” murder of civilians.
Surely if we don’t care about the motive of terrorist, then the Iraqi father holding bits of his daughter in his arms does care about motives either?
All modern wars are automatically wars against civilians–against women and children. A declaration of war today is a statement of intent to commit atrocities.
Perhaps the reason Americans seem so comfortable about bombing and invading little countries around the world is that the United States, unlike Europe, has never experienced “collateral damage”. If we had ever been bombed and invaded ourselves, had our infrastructure demolished, been subject to foreign soldiers breaking into our homes at night, seen our children slaughtered and our houses destroyed, we would be, I suspect, less gung-ho about war and less cavalier about inflicting these horrors on other people.
It’s long past time to admit that the 19th century image of war as soldiers fighting each other on a battlefield with ‘rules of engagement’ is at best an absurd anachronism. Modern war is simply the wholesale slaughter of innocent people by everyone who engages in it. Pretending that only some child-murders are despicable atrocities while others are humane and lawful is just another symptom of the Bush administration’s moral bankruptcy.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:42 pmWonder if Bush’s daughters, the twins, would be interesting in having some of these blastocyts implanted into their bodies.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmthat time will come, if we continue our current path.
July 23rd, 2006 at 5:13 pmAnyway to all you dumb ass republican warmongers
SOURCE Koreas Oh My News
Israeli missile strike killed seven members of a Palestinian family picnicking on a Gaza beach, which prompted Hamas to end its 16-month-old informal ceasefire with Israel. Hamas has repeatedly pointed to the Gaza beach incident as one of the central events that prompted its cross-border raid. Hamas also points to the capture of some of its leaders by Israel as the provocation for its raid.
Israel fired 7,000 to 9,000 heavy artillery shells into Gaza, killing and wounding scores of people.
TO ALL YOU REPUBLICAN TROLLS PUT UP OR SHUT THE F*CK UP
July 23rd, 2006 at 5:26 pmMillions of living cells in every person’s body die every day. If I cut off a finger, I would be killing more HUMAN cells than the average aborted embryo, and way more than a blastocyst. Each of my finger cells has all the genes required to make a complete person. Like the embryo, my finger cannot survive unless it is attached to a host. Unlike aborted embryos or blastocysts and most aborted fetuses, my finger has nerves that lead to a brain, so there would actually be pain felt. Still, cutting off my finger is not killing a person.
Human life is not the same as a PERSON. Blastocysts, embryos, and early fetuses are all pre-people. They may develop into people if given the correct circumstances, but they are not people. Is a caterpillar a butterfly? Is a maggot a fly? Is a tadpole a frog?
With global population already at the bursting point, I would argue that insisting that every frozen embryo be given a chance to develop into a person is the immoral position. With millions of living, breathing, thinking children already waiting for adoptions that may never come, I believe that the insistance that these blastocysts be adopted is the immoral position.
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:14 pm#116, mrboma,
Cutting off your finger is not terminating your existence, so again, you analogies don’t compare. A catepillar, a maggot and a tadpole is still an individual life, regardless of its stage of development.
Yes, global population is skyrocketing, and we keep sending free food to non-viable cultures, so that they may one day arm themselves to take what we have. Let us hope that regional wars, genocides, famines and pandemics solve population growth for us.
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:34 pmmrboma:
I find the inconsistency to be the immoral position. Once one takes the view that killing fertilized eggs is murder, then the only consistent position is to hold accountable those who commit murder. When one must go through mental gymnastics to say that these people should not be held accountable, then one is merely using an issue for political purposes and has no moral center.
For example:
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 23, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
I suppose those that starve to death in a famine deserve to die for being born into an impoverished region. Your ass-holier than thou statements bring discredit to Americans. And, Jason, do you not realize that what you hope for others, you hope for yourself?
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:49 pmYour analogy does not apply, although it is interesting that you associate being in a bar and getting pregnant, as opposed to meeting someone through work, school, church, etc. - that tells us all something about you.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Jason, can you spell A-N-A-L-O-G-Y?
My analogy tells you nothing about me, sweetie darling, but your interpretation of my analogy speaks volumes about you. For your information, the only place I pick up men is online. We have hot, dirty, anonymous sex, and afterward we go out for ice cream.
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:57 pmBet Ricky Sanitorium would do the same thing.
Comment by Coffins draped with flags
He and the wife, and the fetus in a jar are coming over for dinner Tuesday night…
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:59 pmOh, and Jason, please stop calling me Bris. It’s Briseadh, a Celtic word, not Bris, a Jewish circumsision ceremony.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Diet Pepsi up the nose…again. *snort* Ow…
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:01 pmLet us hope that regional wars, genocides, famines and pandemics solve population growth for us.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
That is the single sickest thing I have ever read, Jason, including my own disgusting snark. Someday you may understand my statement, but I won’t hold my breath.
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:06 pmbut ONLY liberals… -JM Hendler
There ought to be an automatic right-wing nutjob siren that sounds whenever someone posts something like this.
Comment by DrSinker — July 23, 2006 @ 1:30 pm
hell, i always hear it! …don’t you? …anyone else?
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:49 pmthere it goes again!!!
katy,
Just seeing the name “Jason” triggers it.
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:54 pmWhen one must go through mental gymnastics to say that these people should not be held accountable, then one is merely using an issue for political purposes and has no moral center.
For example:
Let us hope that regional wars, genocides, famines and pandemics solve population growth for us. Comment by Jason
I suppose those that starve to death in a famine deserve to die for being born into an impoverished region. Your ass-holier than thou statements bring discredit to Americans. And, Jason, do you not realize that what you hope for others, you hope for yourself?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 23, 2006 @ 6:49 pm
bravo! well done, counselor!
July 23rd, 2006 at 8:28 pmJason…your interpretation of my analogy speaks volumes about you.
Comment by Zooey — July 23, 2006 @ 6:57 pm
my first thought - that he wishes he were in that bar getting any attention…
July 23rd, 2006 at 9:25 pmso mean i am…
128 lives saved - that’s all that needs to be said - hopefully the rest will be saved as well.
…Let us hope that regional wars, genocides, famines and pandemics solve population growth for us.
Comments by Jason M. Hendler —
So you want embryos saved, so that they can be killed in regional wars, genocides, famines, and pandemics, huh? Maybe you ought to wait to see what your favorite “scientist” Michael Crichton writes about this. Then, you can tell us about his false charts and fictional data.
July 23rd, 2006 at 9:46 pmHere’s the said irony about this. These frozen embryos exist because couples that were infertile did not want to adopt. If people were more willing to adopt other people’s offspring, these 400,000 frozen embryos would not exist. Obviously people are not as interested in adoption as they are in IVF. Thus hoping that the problem will fix itself through adoption is pretty futile.
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:04 pmross, excellent point… succinctly put…
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:56 pmmore irony…
Ross, and these are the folks that can afford such proceedures.
Another open question, since the Administration (and others) calls destroying the fertilized eggs as murder, are their mommies and daddies guilty of accessory to murder? After all, they create maybe a dozen or more babies, then pick one to give birth to, and the rest get tossed…. Why aren’t we going after their mommies and daddies for child endangerment and murder charges as well?
Are you beginning to see how ugly it gets when you apply the political rhetoric to the facts?
July 24th, 2006 at 1:08 amMy analogy tells you nothing about me, sweetie darling, but your interpretation of my analogy speaks volumes about you.
Comment by Zooey — July 23, 2006 @ 6:57 pm
My feeling exactly.
Plus, whatever the setting -church, work, etc.- the question stands: Should women be forced to stop wasting potential lives? That question is a perfectly valid one when discussing stem cell research, if one takes the Bush administration’s rationale to its logical conclusion: If ending all potential human beings constitutes murder, what to do with a woman’s eggs? After all, they are also potential life as reproductive cells.
That’s the point Mr. Hendler (not so cleverly) tried to avoid by casting aspersions on your moral standing.
July 24th, 2006 at 1:57 amThe one thing that Jason and those who share his views seem to have missed here, is that GWB never said that you COULDN’T use the Blastocysts for research, only that the Government was not going to pay for it. Those ’snowflake kids’ were a DISTRACTION! GWB just used some ‘focus group’ tested wording, to appeal to people’s emotions, but didn’t save a single ‘potential Human life’ from anything. Are you really that easy to fool? Looks that way to me. Just to make certain that Jason, and those like him, are clear on this one, let me be blunt , GWB only denied FUNDING of the research, NOT the research itself. STEM CELL RESEARCH IS LEGAL, IT IS BEING DONE, AND GWB DID NOTHING TO STOP IT! HE PUNK’D YOU! Get it? Sheesh. I’m sorry for ’shouting’, but, dang, ’stupid’ makes me crazy, it is my ‘pet peeve’. And some people are drowning in it.
July 24th, 2006 at 2:21 amyep cyra - it’s not “murder” when it’s privatized, or state sponsored…
July 24th, 2006 at 9:13 am#133, cyra,
As chief executive of the US, since there are no laws against stem cell research, the only way he can enforce his views is to DENY federal funding to labs for stem cell research. Congress must pass laws against any / all stem cell research, but it is not possible with the existing mix of congressmen.
Republicans will be more than satiated with Bush’s veto, understanding that he has little power to do anything else.
July 24th, 2006 at 1:09 pmThere must be 399,872 “christians” willing to adopt them. Right? They care oh so much about life and children and jaysuhz and gawd that they ought to be lining up to adopt. Right? Calling all “christians!” Yet not a one of the charlatans answers. What a surprise. Why doesn’t the Bush family adopt them, since they seem to care so much. What a lucky bunch those kids would be. They’d have all advantages money could by, just like dubya.
July 24th, 2006 at 5:52 pmOn average, only one of three fertilized eggs manages to implant itself in the uterine wall. The input stream for those three fertilized eggs is approximately seventy female ova and sixteen million male sperm. Once the fertilized egg has managed to make an attachment to the uterine wall, one in two is expelled or miscarried. This leads to a question - should W ban human reproduction?
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