Bolton: My Support ‘Would Probably Be The Kiss of Death’ For Next U.N. Head
Bolton: My Support ‘Would Probably Be The Kiss of Death’ For Next U.N. Head
The White House released a fact sheet yesterday entitled, “Setting the Record Straight: President Bush’s Foreign Policy Is Succeeding.” The sheet declares not once but four times that the administration “is rallying the world behind its policy,” and claims that “a consensus is building behind the President’s foreign policy approach.”
Actually, U.S. standing in the world has plummeted under the Bush administration, as John Bolton tacitly admitted yesterday. Asked who he would choose as Kofi Annan’s successor at the United Nations, Bolton acknowledged, “If I told you who I thought we thought the best candidate would be, it would probably be the kiss of death for that person.” Watch it:
As Jeffrey Laurenti writes in a new piece for Mother Jones:
It is fair to say that no one has done more to isolate the United States in world councils than Mr. Bolton, who has virtually alone opposed, time and again, the path-breaking reform initiatives that have passed the U.N. since he arrived.
Full transcript:
HOST: While we’re on the subject of the performance of the United Nations, I want to read an email from Keith Mason in Georgetown, Texas. Let’s get that up. “Mr. Bolton is terrific.” We’ve buttered you up, here we go. “When are we going to get rid of the toothless tiger Kofi Annan and get someone with some leadership ability” (applause)
BOLTON: The Secretary-General’s term expires on December 31, and what we’re doing — (applause) — what we’re doing now is focusing on finding his successor. We need a strong Secretary-General to help reform the U.N. and we’re very much involved in that selection.
HOST: Who are you thinking?
BOLTON: Well, if I told you who I thought we thought the best candidate would be, it would probably be the kiss of death for that person. … This is a very important decision, in all seriousness. We’ve been working hard on it throughout the year. We hope for an early decision maybe late September.
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Bolton was much more “in his environment” at Plato’s Retreat.
His contribution to US global leadership has been nil.
Any chance his renomination can be defeated?
July 22nd, 2006 at 1:55 pmNYT: Bolton’s Ways Foil Goals, U.N. Envoys Say
http://tinyurl.com/lkztt
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/NYT_U.N._envoys_say_Boltons_ways_0722.html
July 22nd, 2006 at 1:57 pmBush’s successful foreign policy is to set the whole world against us?
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:00 pmI dont know if it can be defeated on an up-or-down vote — almost certainly not I’d guess. But the Senate really runs on compromise and I think a Senator can probably put a “hold” on it. Seems to happen pretty frequently.
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:00 pmBush’s foreign policy is a train wreck. Up is down according to this white house.
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:00 pmI read in WaPo yesterday that if Bush has to recess appoint him again, he is barred from receiving a gov’t salary. Minor victory, but I’ll take it!
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:01 pmJohn Bolton doesnt listen to a single damn thing I say, and yet I happily pretend like I love him!
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:06 pm“If I told you who I thought we thought the best candidate would be, it would probably be the kiss of death for that person.â€
I give Bolton props for self awareness. He’s still a douchebag, though…
TP, I asked very nicely that you not put up a picture of the Mustache Ride King…now I have to stay offline until there’s another post…
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:07 pmI ALWAYS read Mother Jones for objective commentary. Funny, Senator Voinivich withdrew his opposition to John Bolton because of Bolton’s more moderate rhetoric – not that Mother Jones is moderate about anything….
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:14 pmYes Mighty,
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:20 pmI too like to always stay on topic.
Mr. Bolton seems like a really nice person if only he could get rid of that annoying moustache from his face. It would do his standing in the world community a great deal of good.
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:23 pmThat’s a professional move, for Bolton to acknowledge the truth. His appearance still needs assistence.
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:24 pmBolton is a cheap thug
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:29 pmUS standing in the world has plummeted – so in George’s Orwellian world, that means his foreign policies are succeeding.
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:32 pmAs for Bolton, at least he knows whta the prevailing opinion is of him. That doesn’t change him, though – he is still a walking disaster.
How could the left not despise John Bolton. He stands for everything leftists find offensive and intolerable. Bolton points out the utter criminality of the United Nations and criticizes its anti-American agenda. Naturally the left cannot tolerate a patriot who supports the United States and tells the truth about their thieving, cowardly, rapist heroes at Turtle Bay. Leftists long for another limp-wristed, butt-kissing, spineless twerp of an ambassador who will worship at the Kofi altar, ignore the hypocrisy of the felony-rich Secretariat and proudly condemn his own nation in order to entice socialists and thugs to like him! Yes indeed. That patriotic, America loving, truth-telling bum.
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:50 pmI’m confused. That looks like kind of town-hall-type audience, picked to seem folksy and normal. They seem like they would have strong opinions about the big issues and the wedge issues–but Kofi Annan?? I’d say I’m probably slightly better-informed than the average person, and I certainly don’t have any strong opinions about Kofi Annan. I barely know anything about him. But these people react with sudden and overwhelming applause at the very mention of his being replaced. What’s going on here? Who’s telling these people they’re supposed to hate Kofi Annan?
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:55 pmBolton has shown he’s the wrong person for the job. He’s trashy , dirty looking, disrespectful, rude and the worse example of leadership to represent this country.
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:08 pmLet’s see who the Senate handles this vote will they suck up and let this mess continue or will they stand up for Americans and vote him down. How much lower will Americans let Bush take us. We have more wars around the world and Iraq is gone. We’ve spent billions of dollars for Iraq for nothing. We have no allies because of Bush’s lies. Connie Rice is the most unqualified Secretary of State ever. Bush will invade Iran and then the muslin countries will help Iran as we again invade a country.
Afghan is loss to the terrorist because Bush/Cheney only wanted the pipe line for oil.
He’s trashy , dirty looking, disrespectful, rude and the worse example of leadership to represent this country.
Sounds like a description of Bush.
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:12 pmOnce again, the Bush administration demonstrates they just don’t quite get it. Why oh why would they want to provide yet another political campaign issue for Democrats by bringing up Bolton’s nomination again? All this does is create more news coverage and public awareness of Bush’s failed foreign policies.
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:14 pmYes, and any Democrat Senators who vote for Bolton to remain at UN, it is the kiss of death for them too!
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:19 pmBolton started pressing for action against Iran long ago, foreseeing future conflicts like the one are witnessing between Israel and Syrian / Iranian backed Hezbollah. Bolton is exactly the man we need as embassador to the UN in these times, because he is pushing the UN to do its job.
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:23 pmHow important is that they find the “right person” to head the UN?
Let’s see, the crazies completely control the Executive branch of our federal government, they control the Supreme Court through Roberts’ appointment, they control the House of Representatives, and they are 5 votes short of controlling the US Senate.
They control Homeland Security through Negraponte, they control the World Bank through Wolfowitz, they dominate talk radio and cable TV news, and the headlines of all major US papers.
All that is left of importance out of their total control is the UN. Once somebody like Tony Blair gets in there with his silver toungued moral righteousness no country will be safe from the auspices of this evil cabal.
Bolton doesn’t have the temperament to be a night janitor. If the Democrats don’t fillibuster this guy it will prove once and for all to se that AIPAC does have our Congress by the cajones.
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:28 pmIn other news, Up is Down, Black is White, and Fake is the new Real.
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:31 pmJason H. can you please volunteer to go fight the Hezbollah for Israel in Lebanon today!
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:32 pm“Bolton started pressing for action against Iran long ago, foreseeing future conflicts”
I’m sure he’s also pressing for opening the concentration camps Halliburton reoutfitted here in the US, nuking Iran and Korea, torture, and lining his own pockets with stolen war profits.
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:34 pmWhy is this man so cranky? Is it because he ran out of “Just For Men” before he could do his moustache?
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:36 pmHis mustache probably hides a hair-lip > lol. ( Note: If you have a hair-lip do not attack me.)
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:40 pmBolton pushing for the UN to do its job? The conflicts are planned and Bolton is executing the PNAC plans, by rendering the UN useless, as we have seen in Lebanon.
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:40 pmBolton was predicted to do exactly what he has done before he took his position.
Why is this man so cranky? Is it because he ran out of “Just For Men†before he could do his moustache?
Comment by e_five
I think it’s because, without his distinctive mustache, and much like Tucker Carlson with his propeller, his own mother wouldn’t recognize him without it.
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:46 pmJohn Bolton will get the votes he should have got a year ago. THE U.N. ADMITTED THEY NEED TO REFORM. Bolton has pushed the issue. Koffi Annan has been in scandel after scandel. Yet, with the world at war, you guys are using Bolten as a rallying cry? No wonder things are where they are…….
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:53 pmthe war in Iraq is more important than the war in Lebanon. Don’t forget about Afghanistan.
600,000 Lebanese told to hit the road.
Sudan is producing some 450,000 refugees.
war is on the move
there is about a fifth of an ounce of palladium in a catalytic converter. catalytic converters are a number one moving item in the junk automobile market.
Every five catalytic converters will have about 300 dollars worth of palladium.
automobile recyclers are suspicious. the people who are buying the catalytic converters are a red flag.
The auto recyclers are beginning to believe that there is something more to the buying of used catalytic converters than that meets the eye.
Catalytic converters also contain magnesium.
just a hunch about it all
Michael (Michael, John, whatever) Bolton hasn’t a clue
the UN could do without a successor.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:05 pmYea JIMBO, Clinton got his action the old fashioned way and with Women no less.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:07 pmbig papa
Man, nice rant. And I do mean “RANT”. The U.N. has Cuba on their “human right commision”. If it weren’t for the United States, the U.N. wouldn’t exsist. This, conspiracy of yours, the United States or western society that agrees with U.S. foreign policy, does not with to take over the world. Your desperate. You have no support.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:10 pmRightwingers are jealous of Clinton because most can’t get any, are tiny in the pants, closet homosexuals and butt ugly toads. NOT MY FAULT. Blame your God. But hey, those young boys look scrumptious don’t they?
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:22 pm“He’s trashy , dirty looking, disrespectful, rude and the worse example of leadership to represent this country.” – Jackie –
Sounds like you’re talking about Ted the Swimmer
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:23 pmLisa
I would call you a hypocrite. But, it would be boring. Your talking about “young boys” which is really weird….. I thought liberals were “pro gay rights”? You aren’t a liberal? Or is it the “young boys” you want?
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:28 pmI have to say, the bitterness of the left is really funny. Your marinating in your own anger. Can’t win an election. Can’t tell the truth. Insults are your form of “debating”. Man, you guys and gals are missing something…. It’s called a life. My wife is a democrat, but her views are light years from yours……..
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:32 pm#18 Marie your the best and you make this old lady laugh thank you. I send my posing to my daughter in Afghan just to let her know I’m still speaking my mind as Bush hasn’t taken away freedom of speech yet. Don’t worry my daughter is safe she emails me everyday I get very nervous.
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:41 pmNo one has taken your “freedom of speech” Jackie. AND NO ONE WILL!!!!! Damn?
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:48 pm“If I told you who I thought we thought the best candidate would be, it would probably be the kiss of death for that person.â€
Is Bolton’s ‘kiss of death’ anything like Bush’s ’shoulder massage of death’?
July 22nd, 2006 at 4:55 pmunbelievable > has Seixon the Norwegian finally found another blog to harrass, or did he find love with another skin-head Neo-Nazi in Norway?
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:01 pmbolton looks and talks like a horse trader from the old west, like matt dillion’s sidekick in gunsmoke
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:12 pmunbelievable > has Seixon the Norwegian finally found another blog to harrass, or did he find love with another skin-head Neo-Nazi in Norway?
Comment by Jay Randal — July 22, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
I didn’t know he was missing. Not that anyone misses him, of course. Well, I suppose we can only hope he has. He’s obnoxious.
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:17 pmunbelievable > maybe it will rain tonight in my area of Georgia? It has been 3 weeks since rain here and even the trees are starting to wither and die! Global warming and the Bush Regime fascists together are a bad combo!
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:32 pmYes dixie > fraudulent elections mean that our democracy is basically dead, but try telling that to Democrat members of Congress as I have tried to do > they look at you like deer caught in the headlights > they are completely clueless about it! Even Rep. Cynthia McKinney, my rep. for Georgia, said votes were switched on Diebold machines to her opponent > duh I have warned her for months that the damn machines are rigged easily!
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:40 pmdixie blood
The New York Times, USA Today and a few more papers did recounts of ALL OF FLORIDA in 2001 Every recount ended the same way, George W. Bush was the winner. What a loser man. I mean, what a sore loser. Everytime you lose, “it was stolen”. ANOTHER CONSPIRACY BABY!!!!!!!!!! YOU LIVE ON THEM!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE YOU CAN’T ACCEPT REALITY!!!!!!!!!!!! Man, even Bill Clinton, COULDN’T FEEL YOUR PAIN, AKA CONSPIRACY……….. John Kerry’s victory was STOLEN. What will be you excuse this fall. Shit, I know, DEMOCRATIC CONTROL OF CONGRESS WAS STOLEN!!!!!! L O O S E R………
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:43 pmRen
Get over it man. That must suck, you have over another two years dealing with W. You take his quotes out of context, you dispute he was even elected. Man alive, you are a L O O S E R……… And you will be again this fall………..
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:49 pmDude still looks like someone threw a ’stache on a muffin.
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:53 pmD E S P E R A T E L O O S E R S………. This is really funny, there are tons of issues out there to discuss, but the L O O S E R S choose to live in C O S P I R A C Y land…
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:53 pmIf the war mongers and the Democratic hegemonists, like most on this website have their way
We will be in total warfare with Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and of course Iraq
As a mother of a 20 year old
I say, if you persist in this insanity of hating and killing as your answer to problems
And if you draft my son
I will leave this country forever
My forebears came here during the Irish famine
DRiven out of heaven by the fu’kin English
WHo took everything and gave nothing
My forebears’ land is back there in Ireland
The pain and suffering of myh family is only now coming to consciousness
My great grandfather, coming here as a child from Ireland, fought in the civil war on the Union side.
I am sickened by Bush and the war mongers
I have no use for them
I will leave this waste of a country behind
If it takes my beloved son to war for nothing
I will never forgive this country if my son gives his precious live so the wealthy can frolic in stupidity and sloth
F’ck ‘em
And free Palestine, free Ireland, free Mexico, free the United States
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:55 pmFree all peoples and all countries from the fu’kin rich and powerful
Truth hurts doesn’t dixie? YOU LOST, AND YOUR BITTER. Anytime I can remind you of it, just let me know. Your CONSPIRACY crap doesn’t change anything. IT DOESN’T CHANGE NOTHING. HA HA HA HAAAAAAAA. L O O S E R!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:57 pm#48 No one has taken your “freedom of speech†Jackie. AND NO ONE WILL!!!!! Damn?
Comment by COMMENT BY JIM
July 22nd, 2006 at 5:58 pmJim I sent to Afghan for our troops to see your comments I notice as an out spoken American your very kind and understanding to the parents of our troops fighting for our country. I got a few comments from the squad but they left a lot of words blank to show me respect. Nice of you Jim to let our troops and the bloggers know what it means to support America. I guess we now know who we got in this mess, the Bush Administration is not the only people talking out of two side of their mouths. United we stand divided we fall. Let’s hope enough of us can united to bring back old glory.
cmw > warmongers in both political parties disgust me too! I cannot stand Hillary Clinton, nor Joe Biden > both warmongering swine who would never allow their children to die in Iraq or to die for Israel either! Our nation is dying because of the hatred and warfare promulgated by our Congressional fatheads! I am furious about it, but powerless to stop it!
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:01 pmJay
You and I. we are powerless. What hope have we? Amongst even these supposed intellects on this blog there is utter ignorance.
My only hope is that my son will survive the coming destruction. That is my constant prayer.
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:05 pmJackie
I served four years in the United States Army. I signed up during my senior year of college during Desert Storm…. The troops deployed now know their jobs, know their mission and know their responsibilities. OLD GLORY IS ALIVE AND WELL, YOU PITIFUL CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE SPOKEN, BUT THE GROUNDS THEY ARE BASED ON DO NOT EXSIST……. AIR ASSAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s for all the guys from Fort Campbell, Kentucky BABY!!!!!!! SCREAMING EAGLES!!!!!!!!
Send that Jackie……….
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:06 pmanother great Pap Attack… he stole my idea… last week i said a little prayer, remembering JFK and the Cuban Missile Crisis… hoping that these bozos have at least an nth of the control of that shown in the 60’s… mike changed the picture to that of slim pickens in Dr.Strangelove… it’s not too hard to imagine dubya riding that missile…
and then he has a message for those includin the jasons of the world…
Ring of Fire on AirAmericaRadio
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:07 pmthat’ll get posted after the 2nd broadcast tomorrow…
Free Palestine, Free BOlivia, Free Mexico, Free Ireland, Free the United States, free Israel, free Lebanon, free Saudi Arabia, free Iran, free Syria, FREE IRAQ
from the war mongers, oil companies, war profiteers, and intelligence officers
FREE THE PEOPLE
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:08 pmStop the f’ckin war
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:08 pmFree the people
Yes dixie I am at ground zero for Diebold rigged vote fraud > since even Black Caucus Representatives, of which 4 are in Georgia, are unable to to get certified paper trail ballots for this state, it’s almost impossible for regular Joes like me to do anything about it!
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:09 pm#79 – true true. But even Goebbel’s efforts would seem amateur when compared to Bolton.
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:10 pmpost 89 ren > Biden’s son joined the military for show > he is NOT even remotely in harm’s way! Since Biden acts like a pompous pig, then his son needs to be in Fallujah or on the streets in the worst part of Baghdad! How dare he fume about staying the course in Iraq > damn him!
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:13 pmJim I’ll forward that info to the guys/girls in combat zone active now in Afghan and let them know what the screaming eagles in Fort Campbell are saying while safe here in the US. Nice to know you served in Desert Storm as did my son and thank good you boys didn’t have any deaths. It was a nice clean job. GHW did good. But today we have over 2500 dead soldiers in the middle of who knows and yes our troops know their job but they also have brains. Theories is what Bush is giving us yes when the new Iraq/Afghan government is formed we will see democracy at work. Let’s take a real look at that theory today. I had to pray during Desert Storm for my son’s life now I’m doing the same for my daughter in Afghan. We are proud of you and those who served our country it would be nice for you and Fort Campbell’s screaming eagles to do the same. A soldier who severs for our country is honored and deserves our respect just as the parents who let their sons/daughters give their lives for the USA while others root for home. The squad that my daughter is in don’t speak as clean as they do in Fort Campbell sometimes you have to just let them get it out and hold the phone away from your ear if the language gets to bad. But Fort Campbell squad is nice.
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:19 pmre: Bolton’s moustache
What died on his lip?
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:19 pmdixie blood
Rolling Stones is a news source? Ha ha haaa haaaa. I’d rather read the Washington Post…..
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:19 pmLOL ren > Biden has repeatedly said he wants our troops to remain in Iraq > he thinks he could do a better job as Commander in Chief of the military, but like Dubya he is a warmongering jerk!
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:21 pmJim Jackie
It takes guts to refuse to go
It takes guts to refuse to fight
It takes guts to protest
It takes guts to call your representative and demand that the troops come home
“He’s the universal soldier and he reallly is to blame
His orders come from far away no more
They come from him and you and me
And brothers can’t you see
This is not the way we put an end to war”
Buffie St. Marie
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:23 pmNice to know you served in Desert Storm as did my son and thank good you boys didn’t have any deaths. Jackie?
Where do you get that from?
Let me ask you something, were the deaths during the Civil War, World War I or World War II worth the outcomes???????
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:25 pmJIM
Are you asking me if the deaths during the Civil SWar, WWI or WWii wre worth the outcomes, I would have to say, judging from what we have today – NO.
No Jim – all that killing got us absolutely nowhere – we are right back where we were a thousand years ago or was it 2 thousand
So I ask you Jim the wise war monger, what good does it do to kill ?
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:29 pmTell us jim how you love to kill
how righteous it is
how great it is
how you are saving us
Only you aren’t saving anyone
you’re just killing
so when are you going to stop
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:32 pmJim
As an African American I would say yes to serve in the Civil War for freedom and rights in the United States and stop being a slave I think it was worth the fight. I remember reading about how many slaves joined the military to fight for the United States. My Dad served in World War II and lost his leg but that was a small price to pay for protecting our country. Now my children are serving the United States so I think as the parent it’s ok for me to speak out if not I know you’ll let me know I have no right to freedom of speech. If the civil rights bill wasn’t signed by Bush reasonably I wouldn’t be able to vote anymore. So yes all out the wars that allowed our country its freedoms was worth it. Now Iraq/Afghan is another story.
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:35 pmcrnw
Look, I love TP. I love to debate issues. The name calling crap that goes on here is childish. But you have to understand something my friend, I hope anyways.
Human nature is a violent nature. One can wish for peace, but sooner or later, someone else will do something to start conflict. Why, different motives. Power. Revenge. Who knows. You don’t start conflict for a good reason. Do you?
Sometimes a person, has to defend themselves. A person has to do their DUTY. I hope you understand what I’m trying to say.
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:36 pmJackie
Your children are fighting for your right to have free speech. God bless you and your family. And God bless your right to protest. I think we have more in common than you know. My parents weren’t very supportive when I joined the Army. But they accepted it. Heck, they had to…. My son is 19 months old. My wife and I wouldn’t want him fighting a war in the middle of no where when he grows up.
Ren,
Know your facts man, reenlistment is through the use. The military expanded the age limits because WE NEED A BIGGER MILITARY!!!!!!!!!!! Think man.
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:44 pmBush would have to start an emergency draft of everyone 18 to 42, if he starts a war on Iran and Syria both at once! He would need a couple million soldiers fast, so the all volunteer military is about to end!
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:44 pmJim
I don’t understand what you are trying to say
“Human nature is a violent nature. One can wish for peace, but sooner or later, someone else will do something to start conflict. Why, different motives. Power. Revenge. Who knows. You don’t start conflict for a good reason. Do you?”
But Jim, there is no point, no meaning in living in this world if we are killing each other.”
Jim, the troops as much as I love them because they are children, they are NOT protecting me, they are making my security worse. And that’s what BUshCo has in mind, to destabilize the world, sell arms, suppress the supply of oil, make millions, and watch as the less people’s children die.
And i say, screw them.
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:46 pmren
What was reenlistment rates during the mid and late 90’s. FAR BELOW 50 AND 53%. I stand by what I said because it is fact. Your using numbers and moving them around to TRY to support your warped views…..
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:48 pmJim and Jackie et al
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:50 pmHave the guts to stand up for your country and realize that the govt lied to us and we need to get our precious children out of the Bush war – let Bush and his family and the Saudis fight this war, let them send their children – bring our children home -that’s the truly love of america way
#77cmw
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:55 pmI understand your fear, frustration and anger. My sons are past military age now, but seeing the way Bush has screwed up everything in 6 years, after two more of him, I fear one day I might see my grandchildren fight in a war, the seeds of which have been planted around the world by GWB.
He is the worst president in history. Immoral and ignorant – a deadly combination.
crnw
Quit blaming everything on Bush. That’s a cop out. Look at the last two resolutions congress voted one. Congress (both Dems and Republicans) voted overwhelmingly to keep troops in Iraq until the mission is complete, and they voted overwhelmingly to support Israel in their lastest conflicts.
Our troops aren’t children. They are well trained and they are a “reflection” of our society.
Look at the history of humanity. Ancient Greece, the Romans, ect. ect. We are a violent species. I’m sorry to have to be the one to break that to you……..
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:56 pmDixie blood
EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY WHEN YOU LOSE. Your side LOST 2000 and 2004. Yeah, it hurts, BUT YOUR A VOTING MINORITY!!!!!!!!! THANK GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:01 pmRen/ Jim
“…there’s a brotherhood aspect that plays in too..”
Yes let me tell you about the brotherhood aspect
THree young men fresh high school graduates
Two sign up with the marines.
One is proud he will be a sharpshooter
One of the “band of brothers” questions
His mother is weird
She may not approve
He’s lured to a Marine recruiter by one of the brotherhood
He listens to the recruiter’s lies about how girls love marines
He leaves the recruiting office without committing
The marines call him
He says no “I’m not interested”
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY YEARS, GENERATIONS, OF SUFFERING IT TOOK TO GET TO THAT TRUTHFUL REJECTION OF THE F’CKIN MILITARY
140 years – my great grandfather -1860
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:02 pmMy father serving in WWII – 1940
my son’s refusal – 2004
well? sounds like he knows where he stands?
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:03 pmren
The dems say one thing, SCREW IRAQ, WE NEED TO GET OUT, then they vote to stay.
The dems say, ISRAEL IS USING TO MUCH FORCE, THEY ARE OVER DOING IT, then they vote to support Israel.
Democrates SAY ONE THING, THEN VOTE ANOTHER……..
Thats why they will lose this fall. Things looked good for them seven months ago, but their “climate of corruption” theme fell apart DRAMATICALLY!!!!!!!!
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:05 pmHey Jim
You don’t love this counrty. You hate everyone in it. Admit it. Except the rich and famous. So Jim you’re just a traitor, much like Bill O’Reilly and the rest of the FOX propagandists. You work to undermine truth and freedom
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:07 pmcmw
Hey, I wish you and your family the very best. Each person has to do their own thing. Every family is different. As a veteran, you son’s decision is his own. There wasn’t a draft. And I would welcome him and you into my home, or backyard for BBQ, anytime.
Your family history is historic. I’ve even got a tear in my eye because of the sacrifice you family has endured. God bless crnw………
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:11 pmcrnw
I love my family and friends. I’m not a puppet for anyone.
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:15 pmGet real Jim
we don’t need bs now
You don’t care anymore for my family than I do for yours
Except we need everyone to stand up with guts to the war mongers
What we say on this blog is meaningless
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:16 pmIt’s what we do to stop the war – that’s what matters
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I agree. Bush and the republicans’ foreign policy of narcissism, imperialism, pillaging, death and destruction are going as planned.
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:18 pmNat
Narcissism going as planned
That is probably the most accurate description
What do we do? We pay the money to support the narcissim
Ultimately we are to blame
And Hilary and Bill would love to get in there and get some of the “sick” money
What do we do>
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:22 pmcmw
I didn’t ask you to care for my family. Your bitterness, the left’s bitterness, all I can say is the following…
AN AMERICAN UNIVERSITY POLL WAS TAKEN SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS BEFORE THE 2004 PRESIDENTAL ELECTION AND FOUND THE FOLLOWING…..
The United States is broken down into the following catagories…..
CONSERVATIVE 40%
MODERATE 40%
LIBERAL 20%
I know, if you disagree, you’ll call it a lie. A conspiracy. But there she is TP……
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:22 pmren
Its a fact. AND I LOVE IT. YOU CAN’T WIN AN ELECTION. EVERYTHING WAS STOLEN.
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:28 pmWhy does Kerry try to go to the middle, why did Gore, look at Hillary… HA HA HA HAAAAAAAA. YOU CAN’T ACCEPT THE TRUTH!!!! HA HA HAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Jim
Like Ren, I don’t give a good god damn’d about any poll\\
Like Bush and the right-wing religionists – I know the truth
And the truth is my bitterness is neither left nor right. It is JUST PLAIN bitterness.
I hate all war mongers equally.
The inabilityh of men to solve even simple problems without killing each other is astounding. Animals and children can figure out ways to solve disputes, but grown men when supported with million dollar missiles and nuclear warheads simply cannot contain themselves.
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:31 pmIncompetence is the name of the game in the Bush Administration. Bolton is no exception.
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:32 pm====================================
Therefore, 60% percent (or more today) of Americans are not republicans. That seems pretty accurate.
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:34 pmYeah, animals solve their disputes real peaceful. Haven’t watched Discovery Channel lately? Animal planet? Regardless, your harmless and so is everyone on the left. You can’t win anything because of your so extreme. GO DEAN!!!!!! GO GORE!!!!!!!! GO FEINGOLD!!!!!!!! GO KENNEDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:35 pmNat
80% aren’t liberal!!!!!!!!!!! See how you guys play the numbers!!!!! What joy!!!!!
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:36 pmNat Jim
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:37 pmYOu spar about poll numbers? While children die?
There are no words for you
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What the hell are you talking about?
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:39 pmTell your “children die” comment on Hezbollah, Al qeada, Iran, GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:39 pmWere on the same side guys/gals. Sooner or later you will understand.
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:41 pmJim
Animals don’t kill the way humans do. Animals kill to survive, not for pleasure. ANimals derive no pleasure from death. Only deprived humans, psychologically damaged as happens in war, want to inflict pain. Guatanamo is a classic now of torture and we the taxpayers are responsible.
You are so fascinated with death. Perhaps you should spend some time with animals, other than trying to have sex with them.
If you respected anything, including your soul, perhaps you could set an example, but you are so mired in the propaganda, you are just a foot soldier of death and hatred.
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:42 pmren
A Giuliani/Rice ticket is for you.
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:42 pmCats kill for pleasure. Apes kill for revenge. It’s all on television crnw. THEY SHOW IT. Hell, it still must be a conspiracy. I’m NOT fasicinated with death. And sex with animals? YOUR PROUD FAMILY HISTORY AND PRIDE WILL REGAIN ITSELF AFTER YOU! You should be ashamed of yourself…..
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:46 pmWere on the same side guys/gals. Sooner or later you will understand.
Comment by COMMENT BY JIM — July 22, 2006 @ 7:41 pm
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You are a loyalist and we are patriots. We’re worlds apart..
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:50 pmJim
Stop projecting your shadow, you reveal too much
Cats don’t kill for pleasure, but men like you do
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:50 pmApes don’t kill for revenge, but men like you do
Jim
You kill for pleasure and revenge, and you hide the impulse and project it onto animals. You probably project it onto what you consider “lesser” humans – Palestinians, Bolivians, Mexicans, Blacks, Irish
Jim
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:53 pmYou are a psychoanalytical factoid. We know about people like you.
NICE FACTS crnw. Oh, I’m sorry, NICE LIES…… I don’t think you lied though, you just don’t know anything. Sorry. Cats do kill for fun and apes do commit murder. Sorry, quit watching Brady Bunch reruns…………….
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:55 pmGotta go. Nice talking to you. Good debate as always on TP….
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:57 pmJim
July 22nd, 2006 at 7:59 pmThat’s all you’ve got!
we’re talking about my son dying in Iraq and you’re talking about the Brady Bunch
Jim, you’re an a’hole
This is what they were getting at with that slogan. US Army soldiers charged with murder are having their grand jury hearings in Tikrit. Lord knows there are plenty of defense attourneys willing to travel to Iraq…what the hell is going on here? The Abu Gharib crew was tried stateside, and maybe that’s the long and short of it. We need to gain political traction in Iraq, so from now on we’ll be offering these accused soldiers as sacrifices to Allah, and the people will view an American corpse killed by American justice…that will be the turning point. Start killing our own, and our sincerity will become obvious to every Iraqi, and the insurgency will give up all at once. Shit – - – all we had to do was REALLY embrace the ‘Army of One’ concept.
Source
http://www.deadissue.com
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:14 pmpic didn’t post – see it!
http://deadissue.com
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:16 pmren since you are anti-Bush Regime, then that is the most important thing anyways!
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:16 pmWell ren, Bush might set off WWIII and end up killing the entire planet, or most of us anyways?!
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:23 pmren I wish I could be optimistic, but with Bush in power that is hard to do! Some posts are being deleted I guess > numbers changing!
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:29 pmNovember should be fun–it will be interesting to see how the “Republicans” (who now see that they have to run AGAINST the neocon’s Iraq War war to win re-election) will try to distance themselves from Bush while also taking his fundraising money.
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:36 pmren > TP has a right to delete any posts deemed not appropriate for any particular thread subject > so contact Judd about it, if it concerns you?!
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:42 pmYes ren, but for some unknown reason they want us to lose respect for the Congress, so Bush can become a dictator easier I guess > hard to make sense of it actually?! For instance I used to fax Democrat members of the Senate, but gave up doing so because they act clueless > one minute they claim to stand up to Bush, then the next moment they cave in and vote YES for whatever he wants > I told Harry Reid many times that he must crack down to have the Dems vote as a group, but I think he does not care or he is too timid to do so!
July 22nd, 2006 at 9:55 pmdixie > I think Judd removed Jim guys posts and a few others TP did not like?!
I am giving ren the benefit of the doubt > he could have got your post confused perhaps!
July 22nd, 2006 at 10:17 pmThe United Nations. You talk about incompetence; it squarely falls on this worthless body. The US should cut off all funding and resign from this corrupt organization. Then kick all these talking heads out of our country. Take the circus elsewhere. I can’t even recall one thing they have kept their word on. Somebody enlighten me.
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:04 pmA consensus on US foreign policy is building all right!
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:39 pmI am really sick of hearing how Israel should use restraint when fighting these Islamofacists thugs. Terrorists do not use restraint, if they could kill Israel to the last child they would. They would happily do the same to Canada, England, America, and every other nation that does not wish to submit to their evil fanaticism. It is frankly well past time the free world accepted that terrorism is as evil as Hitler’s Nazi Germany was. We are now on the road towards a global war, which will cost many lives. It’s a sad fact, but realistic. The question is not if anymore. It is indeed merely a question of when.
The matter of when is in our hands not the terrorist. We can, on one hand, opt to wait and fool ourselves that diplomacy and restraint will somehow work where they have failed over and again. Will such a course prevent war? Will it prevent Iran or Syria, from one day arming themselves, Al Qaeda, Hamas, or Hezbollah with a nuclear weapon? Will it prevent one of these fanatical groups from using that nuclear device to murder hundreds of thousands? Only the fools at the United Nations can believe restraint would suddenly succeed after failing every other time it has been tried. I for one don’t think restraint is the answer.
If we again foolishly invest our hope in restraint, we will one day be greeted by a mushroom cloud over Tokyo, or London, or Madrid, or Chicago, or Toronto or some other city of innocent civilians. That will happen if we follow the path of restraint. Terrorists always, always, always meet our restraint with brutality and barbarity. Crossing our fingers and listening to intellectual midgets like Kofi Anan will get us nowhere and in the end will only cost more lives. The path of restraint will not deter a worldwide war, it will only delay it. Did we learn nothing from the failed appeasement of Hitler before the WW II?
July 22nd, 2006 at 11:47 pmMy bad! I forgot to give credit to -Doug Hagin
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:11 amJIM… get a dikshunehry. LOSER not LOOSER ya idjut!
Dogcatcher (JERK)…. Yeah go ahead and slam the UN. That’s right, they are not very effective, by design. But at least they are able to talk to other countries. Where is the Emperor W at? He can only HOPE that someone else does his talking for him because we have alienated every aspect of diplomacy that the US ever had. You don’t have to be a liberal to come to this conclusion — just ask George Will or Henry Kissinger (or Pat Buchanan or ANY of several Nixonians). Even Bill Buckley is slamming W. and the neocons now that they see the folly unfold into the next world war.
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:30 amBolton has truly mastered doublethink. No wonder he is so indispensable.
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:46 amI don’t know how you get more off subject than frogcatcher. Why did he bring in Israel? But since the racist zionist propagandist did so, I will respond.
frogcatcher is the typical apologist for judeo-nazi Israel’s crimes against humanity. I should be able to use such terms as froggy likes to use “islamofascist”. I am really sick of people like frogcatcher who continually justify Israeli crimes .
The real problem is that it is Israel that is the equivalent of Nazi Germany. Zionism and nazism are the same ideology, in practice they just choose different scapegoats. It is time for NATO to annihilate the Israeli terrorist war machine. In a day or two, NATO could completely stop Israel’s massacre of Lebanese.
Then, all Israeli political and military leaders should be sent to the War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague and judged for their war crimes and crimes against humanity. Israeli leaders are the nazi war criminals of today.
Unfortunately Israel’s fifth column, Aipac, Jinsa, Adl, etc. is perverting U.S. foreign policy. It should also be time to try those traitors and other collaborators with nazi Israel.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:30 am” Unfortunately Israel’s fifth column, Aipac, Jinsa, Adl, etc. is perverting U.S. foreign policy. It should also be time to try those traitors and other collaborators with nazi Israel. ”
Touche.
Unfortunately, sleep-walking Americans are too stupid and un-informed to realize their country’s foreign policy has been hi-jacked by these criminals.
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:08 amWhen you think about it Bolton has the easiest job in the regime. All he has to to do is enforce his boss’s simplistic one-sentence policy of “for us or against us”. If a UN member country responds that it is for us Bolton barks at it to get in line. If a country states the opposite Bolton roars and threatens all kinds of dire consequences.
Let ” freedom & demcoracy ” prevail across the world! A new brand of “constructive and engaging” diplomacy is at work to accomplish this ala Bolton the consensus builder.
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:18 am[...] The ThinkProgress blog posted a clip of U.S. Ambassador John Bolton speaking about the next UNSG on the American FOX network on Friday. In response to the host’s question about whom Ambassador Bolton feels the nominee should be, he responded Bolton: Well, if I told you who we thought the best candidate would be, it would probably be the kiss of death for that person. …this is a very important decision, in all seriousness. We’ve been working hard on it throughout the year. We hope for an early decision maybe late September. [...]
July 23rd, 2006 at 8:57 amJohn Bolton got appointed in a recess appointment. The Senate did not confirm this person. Bolton does not work well with alot of other people. Of course in my view if Bolton names someone he would like to see work as Secretary General the world would tend to doubt the fitness of anyone Bolton would want to see work as secretary general of the UN.
July 23rd, 2006 at 9:23 amTerrorists always, always, always meet our restraint with brutality and barbarity.
This is terrible and dangerous nonsense. There are many examples of dialouge coupled with a firm application of the rule of law, avoiding and defusing exactly the kind of situation we see in the middle east.
Northern Ireland, Spain and the RAF spring to mind.
The principle is simple, punish the guy responsible, not everyone living in his city block. Doing that simply kicks the can of resolution 20 years further down the road.
July 23rd, 2006 at 9:33 amJim –
Stephen Glass wrote dozens of “fact checked” articles for the New Yorker and didn’t get caught for some time. Those were EASY to find factual errors and fraud. The problem with fact checking in a complex situation, such as vote fraud or war pretext fabrications or CIA name leaking, is that reporters only have so much information, knowledge, and inside connections as well as time and resources. They only go so far and the story is “confirmed”. The real investigative journalists, such as the woman from Black Box Voting, or Mike Ruppert, etc., go far and beyond what the NYT and USA Today does. The Times has become a joke, in my opinion, between the Blair Jayson thing and now the Judith Miller shite. I understand that some people can only hold so much information in their heads until they have formed an opinion, so I don’t blame you.
July 23rd, 2006 at 9:49 amCorrection to the above… it wasn’t the New Yorker… it was the New Republic
July 23rd, 2006 at 9:50 am[...] God help us. [...]
July 23rd, 2006 at 10:17 amRen, You wrote : “people are precise with thier words but not thier thoughts, sometimes visa versa”
You can’t spell. How can we take you seriously? You make absolutely no sense. Go back to school. “visa versa” or did you mean “american express versa”?
July 23rd, 2006 at 10:52 amWhat was it that ‘jeb’ posted a while back . . . . .
Something very close to . . .
I learned three more things from this very same fox news broadcast . . . .
1. The president is loved by all children !
2. The president can kill terrorists with ‘mind bullets’ ! (That’s teleken-esis Kyle)
3. The president is hung like a mule and his *^%#@& tastes like nugate !
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:09 amBelow is a review of a new book by John Dean. It summarizes the lobotomized state of mind of all the trolls, pro-Republicans, pro-Bush and pro-war posters we anti-trolls, anti-Republicans, anti-Bush and anti-war have such a hard time understanding.
Conservatives Without a Conscience
The full extent and irreversibility of the damage to our country wrought by the Bush administration will likely not be known until well after George Bush finally disappears from our political life. But understanding the dynamics and impulses of the movement which has followed and enabled these abuses is a critically important task, and that is the project undertaken by John Dean’s new best-selling book, Conservatives Without Conscience. Fortuitously for Dean, this examination of what has become the so-called “conservative” movement (composed of Bush followers, neoconservatives and hard-core religious conservatives) comes at the perfect time.
With 2 1/2 years still left for this administration, the true radicalism of the administration and its followers has becoming unavoidably, depressingly clear, and it is equally clear that this movement has not reached anywhere near the peak of its extremism. Dean’s central thesis explains why that is so.
Dean contends, and amply documents, that the “conservative” movement has become, at its core, an authoritarian movement composed of those with a psychological and emotional need to follow a strong authority figure which provides them a sense of moral clarity and a feeling of individual power, the absence of which creates fear and insecurity in the individuals who crave it. By definition, its followers’ devotion to authority and the movement’s own power is supreme, thereby overriding the consciences of its individual members and removing any intellectual and moral limits on what will be justified in defense of their movement.
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:37 ammarley – link ! always post the link – at the least,
credit the author: glenn greenwald, via crooksandliars…
John Dean and Authoritarian Cultism – a Review
the link to the rest of the story seems to be faulty right now…
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:09 pmi’m sure john will have it fixed soon…
http://republicans06.blogspot.com/
July 23rd, 2006 at 1:27 pmMaybe if Bolton tried to be a little less satanic more people would like him. What a nutjob.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:02 pmThe latest updates on Israeli war crimes in Lebanon.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
Anyway to all you dumb ass republican warmongers
SOURCE Koreas Oh My News
Israeli missile strike killed seven members of a Palestinian family picnicking on a Gaza beach, which prompted Hamas to end its 16-month-old informal ceasefire with Israel. Hamas has repeatedly pointed to the Gaza beach incident as one of the central events that prompted its cross-border raid. Hamas also points to the capture of some of its leaders by Israel as the provocation for its raid.
Israel fired 7,000 to 9,000 heavy artillery shells into Gaza, killing and wounding scores of people.
TO ALL YOU REPUBLICAN TROOLS PUT UP OT SHUT THE F*CK UP
July 23rd, 2006 at 5:11 pmIf Bolton has the ability to decide the next Secretary General of the UN, while being unable himself to win Congressional approval for his own appointment, requiring the direct intervention of the President, to circumvent any need for cooperation from the Senate, who, up to this point, had given the President whatever he asked for. So this current drive to ‘legitimize’ John Bolton, before the announcement in September, appears to be for making him look credible. Can’t have some ‘wanna-be’ ambassador making those sorts of decisions, after all. Doesn’t look good to the rest of the world.
July 23rd, 2006 at 6:50 pmComment by Charlie Paterson — July 23, 2006 @ 1:27 pm
wow… charlie, you should be embarrassed about your pathetic writing and language skills… worse than a 4th grader… but keep it up – an excellent example of your cult…
July 23rd, 2006 at 7:21 pmPat Buchanan slams Israel on attack of Lebanon
This is really emotional, and its from a very conservative American. I was touched.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFZDbDyinw
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:17 pmKathy, I didn’t realize! No plagiarism intended. Thanks for pointing it out.
Ren, I now have a new found respect for the candid clarification you have given. Thank you. Very honest. Case and point. It kind of sort of make sense to me… as it could be interpreted from so many perspectives… It’s a very difficult time for all of us to be thinking clearly with so much going on around the world. We should support more of each other instead of attacking each other so easily. Have a good night.
Maybe the following can help anyone shed some light through this… although it was based on The Vietnam War… we all know now that history repeats itself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fog_of_War
July 24th, 2006 at 1:10 am#100 [Comment by COMMENT BY JIM — July 22, 2006 @ 6:36 pm ]
“Human nature is a violent nature. ”
Sorry, no. The ‘killer ape” hypothesis of the 60’s was discredited within a year of its proposal by the discovery of native pacifist societies. Further, ff human nature was a violent one, violence would be the norm as opposed to the exception, and the human race would not have survived more than a few generations at best.
“One can wish for peace, but sooner or later, someone else will do something to start conflict. Why, different motives. Power. Revenge. Who knows. You don’t start conflict for a good reason. Do you?”
Healthy animals fight for two reasons – food and survival, good reasons – and (especially when this occurs within their own species) act to minimize damage due to same.
Humans are in a stage where their evolved complexities are not fully integrated, and this sometimes gives rise to errors: acts of violence which an individual or group has managed to convince themselves is necessary for their survival but which in fact are not.
SR
Sometimes a person, has to defend themselves.
July 24th, 2006 at 4:19 pm[ p.s. to 216]
“Sometimes a person, has to defend themselves.”
See “Healthy animals…” above. [This bears repeating.]
July 24th, 2006 at 4:23 pmStolen election 2000 – quick sources, no hyperlinks [apologies]
– Consortium Newspapers (including the ultraconservative Washington Times) – conmissioned study by National Opinion Research Center (NORC) of Chicago – showed Gore won under all scenarios [oddly enough, published articles headlines said Bush won, but bodies of same said Gore won.];
– Admission by State of Florida (Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, et al) in lawsuit brought by NAACP that election was stolen;
– public statement by named Bush Department of Justice official that they had enough evidence to seek to overturn the election (i.e. it was stolen), but would not (how funny) [NYT / Wash Post ];
– statement by majority of US Supreme Court four days prior to its decision in Bush v. Gore that Bush did not have enough votes to win (i.e. that the election was being stolen);
– unscripted admission by GW Bush after the 2004 election that the “will of the people” was not with him before that time (i.e. the 2000 election was not run according to the US Constitution, i.e. it was stolen).
SR
July 24th, 2006 at 4:43 pmYe-e-a-a-ah.
July 25th, 2006 at 8:46 amI saw that same TV piece live.
Nico’s reaction is a typical of one who never saw professionals at work.
Sadly, many of us are more used to “do-it-yourself-in-your-own-basement” politicians like Gore.
Nico, have you been honest with your comments or you just had to write something that will-go on this site? Does your TV have curved surfice? Some TV’s do. Your might wanna get someone in to check.
Just a suggestion, trying to help…
A public advocate for the United States
By Alan Dershowitz
Published July 28, 2006
As a liberal Democrat, I listened carefully to the opposition voiced by many Democratic senators to the nomination of John Bolton as our chief representative to the United Nations. Mr. Bolton has been representing us at the United Nations since August. During the current Middle East crisis, I have been able to listen for myself to what Mr. Bolton has been saying at the United Nations.
On the basis of his performance, I have become a Bolton supporter. He speaks with moral clarity. He is extremely well prepared. He is extraordinarily articulate. He places the best face on American policy, particularly in the Middle East during this crucial time.
During the late 1960s, I worked closely with our then-representative to the United Nations, Arthur Goldberg. Goldberg gave up his lifetime seat on the Supreme Court in order to serve at the United Nations in an effort to end the war in Vietnam. He was hopeful that he could make a greater contribution to his country at the United Nations than on the high court.
He too was our representative during a critical period in the Middle East. It was Ambassador Goldberg who helped draft the famous Resolution 242, which has served as the basis for Mideast peace efforts since 1967.
During the 1970s, Daniel Patrick Moynihan served with distinction in that position. He too stood up to the enemies of the United States and other democracies, such as Israel. When, during his term, the General Assembly introduced its most overtly bigoted resolution equating Zionism with racism, it was Mr. Moynihan who fought tirelessly, if ultimately futilely, against its passage. He continued to identify rampant anti-Semitism as the scourge of the United Nations until his death three years ago.
Now, there’s John Bolton, who follows in that tradition with distinction. Were he not to be confirmed as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations at this crucial juncture it would send a powerful message to the international community that Senate Democrats do not stand behind our policy in the Middle East. It would be seen as undercutting American policy toward Israel. Even if that were a misunderstanding, it would have a devastating impact on the world’s perception of America’s solidarity with Israel.
Following his nomination, Senate Democrats asked the White House to release documents prepared under Mr. Bolton’s supervision during his tenure working for the administration. The president ultimately released some of the documents for senior Democrats to review, albeit with redactions. I agree with the demand by the Democrats and wish the Bush administration would be more forthcoming, but I believe that it would be a mistake at this time for the Democrats to hold the Bolton nomination hostage to this dispute. The senators have had a year to observe and evaluate Mr. Bolton directly on his performance as our ambassador. They can intelligently vote based on what he has done at the United Nations and not based on documents related to his role as undersecretary of state for arms control and international security.
What remains of last year’s nomination battle, though, is what I suspect to be the real reason that some Democrats oppose the Bolton nomination. That is, they felt uncomfortable with Mr. Bolton’s oft-expressed and blunt skepticism over the United Nations’ legal and moral authority. Mr. Bolton can even, at times, come off as “contemptuous of the U.N.,†in Sen. Barbara Boxer’s words.
But Mr. Bolton is right to be skeptical, and all the great U.S. ambassadors to the United Nations — from Adlai Stevenson to Arthur Goldberg to Pat Moynihan to Jeane Kirkpatrick — have shared that skepticism. Mr. Bolton is absolutely justified in pushing for reform of the notoriously corrupt and inefficient bureaucratic structure in Turtle Bay. As he once said, “If member countries want the United Nations to be respected … they should begin by making sure it is worthy of respect.â€
Most importantly, Mr. Bolton understands that his job is to represent the United States and our interests to the world, and not the other way around. When The Washington Post’s Dana Milbank chided Mr. Bolton for “disparaging the very organization he would serve,†the Wall Street Journal’s James Taranto promptly corrected him by saying, “the American ambassador to the U.N. is supposed to serve America, not the U.N.â€
I have observed Mr. Bolton’s performance with regard to Israel and its conflicts with Hezbollah and Hamas. On many other fronts he has proved himself a staunch advocate of freedom and human rights — specifically in Sudan, North Korea and Cuba. Some critics have argued that Mr. Bolton is better in his public role as advocate than in his behind-the-scenes role as conciliator. But at this point in history, the United States needs a public advocate who can further its case in the court of public opinion. No one does that better than John Bolton.
Alan Dershowitz is a professor of law at Harvard.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:50 pmhttp://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-253.html
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