Comments on: Bolten Defends Rove’s False Claims on Stem Cells: Karl ‘Knows A Lot of Stuff’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:57:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Jefferson http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1239870 Jefferson Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:19:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-1239870 Not too many smart asses would try and pull that kind of shit on <a href="http://reviewstart.com" rel="nofollow">national television</a>. Just a really dumb guy, who was backed into a corner! Not too many smart asses would try and pull that kind of shit on national television. Just a really dumb guy, who was backed into a corner!

]]> By: Farell http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1167425 Farell Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:45:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-1167425 There's more embryonic stem cell research going on in the USA than anywhere else. It us privately funded not government funded. Adult stem cell research is privately and government funded in the US. And is quite robust thank you very much. The adult stem cell technology to do the above mentioned human trials was developed in the USA by a USA company. The human trials are being conducted in the UK and elsewhere because it is much less costly to do it in the UK than the US because of lawyers and government oversight and Institutional Review Boards that are afraid of getting sued. All of which are relaxed in the UK compared to the US. Many people think that an embryo is a human person. Many of them come to this conclusion logically not through faith or emotion. To kill human beings [embryos] in order to do research on them would therefore be illicit. There’s more embryonic stem cell research going on in the USA than anywhere else. It us privately funded not government funded.
Adult stem cell research is privately and government funded in the US. And is quite robust thank you very much.
The adult stem cell technology to do the above mentioned human trials was developed in the USA by a USA company.
The human trials are being conducted in the UK and elsewhere because it is much less costly to do it in the UK than the US because of lawyers and government oversight and Institutional Review Boards that are afraid of getting sued. All of which are relaxed in the UK compared to the US.
Many people think that an embryo is a human person.
Many of them come to this conclusion logically not through faith or emotion.
To kill human beings [embryos] in order to do research on them would therefore be illicit.

]]> By: Think Progress » FACT CHECK: Snow’s False and Misleading History of Stem Cell Research http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-1055532 Think Progress » FACT CHECK: Snow’s False and Misleading History of Stem Cell Research Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:27:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-1055532 [...] Snow, echoing Karl Rove, added that “adult and blood cord stem cells” have “demonstrated far more promise” than embryonic stem cells. Watch it: var flvsnowstemcell320240 = new SWFObject('/wp-content/plugins/flvplayer.swf?file=http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/flv/2006/10/snowstemcell.320.240.flv&autoStart=false', 'em-flvsnowstemcell320240', '320', '260', '6', '#ffffff'); flvsnowstemcell320240.addParam('quality', 'high'); flvsnowstemcell320240.addParam('wmode', 'transparent'); flvsnowstemcell320240.write('flvsnowstemcell320240'); [...] [...] Snow, echoing Karl Rove, added that “adult and blood cord stem cells” have “demonstrated far more promise” than embryonic stem cells. Watch it: var flvsnowstemcell320240 = new SWFObject(’/wp-content/plugins/flvplayer.swf?file=http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/flv/2006/10/snowstemcell.320.240.flv&autoStart=false’, ‘em-flvsnowstemcell320240′, ‘320′, ‘260′, ‘6′, ‘#ffffff’); flvsnowstemcell320240.addParam(’quality’, ‘high’); flvsnowstemcell320240.addParam(’wmode’, ‘transparent’); flvsnowstemcell320240.write(’flvsnowstemcell320240′); [...]

]]> By: Maryanna http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-692145 Maryanna Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:33:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-692145 Anyone else notice the fact that he misused the word "ameliorate" here? You can ameliorate a situation, but diseases need cures. It must be his favorite 50-cent word, because if you saw the whole interview, you remember he used that word 4 times in a half-hour interview. Idiot. Anyone else notice the fact that he misused the word “ameliorate” here? You can ameliorate a situation, but diseases need cures. It must be his favorite 50-cent word, because if you saw the whole interview, you remember he used that word 4 times in a half-hour interview. Idiot.

]]> By: Gay Bear http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-686824 Gay Bear Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:47:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-686824 Karl Rove MAKES UP a lot of stuff. Lies a whole bunch too. Yup, he's one we should turn to for factual information. Tell it to a country that doesn't know better. Karl Rove MAKES UP a lot of stuff. Lies a whole bunch too. Yup, he’s one we should turn to for factual information. Tell it to a country that doesn’t know better.

]]> By: Life Lover http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-686489 Life Lover Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:04:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-686489 HEART FAILURE! If anyone in my family suffers from untreatable heart failure, I'm taking them to Bangkok for an adult stem cell treatment. Don Ho, the Hawaiian crooner couldn't walk across the room last November. In December he was treated with stem cells from his blood and resumed his 1.5 hour show January 22, 2006. See www.vescell.com Search www.clinicaltrials.gov for "adult stem cell treatments" and read the 1,075. Search for "embryonic stem cell treatments" and read about two embryo manipulations studies. Visit www.stemcellrearch.org for a list of 72 diseases treated by adult stem cells. There is no proof-of-concept yet that embryonic stem cells will do anything for anyone. Embryonic stem cell research has continued unabated world wide with hundreds of millions of dollars for eight years and it has not resulted in one treatment for anyone, anywhere and there is no proof it ever will. You would think there would be at least a proof-of-concept. Love to all, HEART FAILURE!

If anyone in my family suffers from untreatable heart failure, I’m taking them to Bangkok for an adult stem cell treatment.

Don Ho, the Hawaiian crooner couldn’t walk across the room last November. In December he was treated with stem cells from his blood and resumed his 1.5 hour show January 22, 2006. See http://www.vescell.com

Search http://www.clinicaltrials.gov for “adult stem cell treatments” and read the 1,075. Search for “embryonic stem cell treatments” and read about two embryo manipulations studies.

Visit http://www.stemcellrearch.org for a list of 72 diseases treated by adult stem cells.

There is no proof-of-concept yet that embryonic stem cells will do anything for anyone.

Embryonic stem cell research has continued unabated world wide with hundreds of millions of dollars for eight years and it has not resulted in one treatment for anyone, anywhere and there is no proof it ever will. You would think there would be at least a proof-of-concept.

Love to all,

]]> By: Solitaire http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-686262 Solitaire Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:24:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-686262 "Real living human being are dying and suffering who could be saved by this promising research"... Bush isn't the "Help President"... he's the "War President". Remember that the next time you're looking for leadership. “Real living human being are dying and suffering who could be saved by this promising research”…
Bush isn’t the “Help President”… he’s the “War President”.
Remember that the next time you’re looking for leadership.

]]> By: Anonymous Dem http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-686233 Anonymous Dem Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:09:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-686233 Yup. As the this thread demonstrates, the debate around using stem cells, which would otherwise be discarded, for live saving research is not even close. Even many pro-lifer's recognize that it is pro-life to use them stem cells for life-saving research rather than to waste them in the trash. The best the "I am always" right'ers can do is throw out a lot of typical conservative FUD on the issue by arguing, among others: 1. There are enough embryonic stem cells already. Wrong. Existing government-approved lines are old and stale, and seriously hampering research. 2. Adult stem cells are as good as embryonic stem cells. Wrong again. And not according to the majority of stem cell scientists, who rightly observe that embryonic stem cells have unique properties and hold by far the greatest promise for life-saving cures. 3. Private research is sufficient. Wrong again. More government funding and support is needed to really advance this science. And current restrictions around existing government spending require that when universities conduct embryonic stem cell research not using the official old stale cell lines, they need to build whole new labs and use all new equipment which are "clean" from any government funding. This places a huge drag on research. 4. The government is not imposing a religious value. Really? It's just another coincidence that the religious right to which Bush panders so, wants to keep suppressing this? How many times do the Bush Republicans have to keep assuring us that they are not attempting to impose their religious values through our government? Constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage? Pushing for prayer in schools? No birth control taught in schools? Fighting contraception in third world nations that desperately need it? Saving us from the evils of gambling (but strangely just on the Internet, not in Vegas)? No abortion option? Saving the world on a "crusade" in the Middle East? Saving the world from the "Axis of Evil" (which by the way are all more of a threat since the Bush Republicans branded them morally "evil"). Come on. This President is obviously on what he thinks is a mission ordained by the Christian God and the Bush Republicans are happy to jump on the bandwagon to max out voter support from the religious right. 5. The use of embryonic stem cells due to be discarded for research is the beginning of a "slippery slope" to broader uses that are immoral. The slippery slope argument can always be made. We have to balance what's here and now. 6. Lots of other silly, stretched analogies. One poster went so far as to claim nonsensically: "The intent to create and use humans as a commodity for other humans lowers our value of life. My objection, and I believe that of President Bush is toward the intent of the use. For example, people may die in car crashes, but we don't design cars to deliberately kill people as a means of population control. Even IF population control could be argued by some top scientists to be in our best interests." A+ for creativity - and I wonder if the rest of us can be this creative. Really. Let's please stick to the facts and results before us. Real living human being are dying and suffering who could be saved by this promising research, and these needed embryonic stem cells which are being tossed (1) are tiny little thoughtless cells not even close to people and (2) are gone either way. The Democrats, the American public, Nancy Reagan, Orin Hatch and a lot of Republicans recognize this. Once again, the majority of the Bush Republicans are “out there.” The stem cell debate is just another failure in a long line of them by our currently lacking government. Yup. As the this thread demonstrates, the debate around using stem cells, which would otherwise be discarded, for live saving research is not even close. Even many pro-lifer’s recognize that it is pro-life to use them stem cells for life-saving research rather than to waste them in the trash.

The best the “I am always” right’ers can do is throw out a lot of typical conservative FUD on the issue by arguing, among others:

1. There are enough embryonic stem cells already. Wrong. Existing government-approved lines are old and stale, and seriously hampering research.

2. Adult stem cells are as good as embryonic stem cells. Wrong again. And not according to the majority of stem cell scientists, who rightly observe that embryonic stem cells have unique properties and hold by far the greatest promise for life-saving cures.

3. Private research is sufficient. Wrong again. More government funding and support is needed to really advance this science. And current restrictions around existing government spending require that when universities conduct embryonic stem cell research not using the official old stale cell lines, they need to build whole new labs and use all new equipment which are “clean” from any government funding. This places a huge drag on research.

4. The government is not imposing a religious value. Really? It’s just another coincidence that the religious right to which Bush panders so, wants to keep suppressing this? How many times do the Bush Republicans have to keep assuring us that they are not attempting to impose their religious values through our government? Constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage? Pushing for prayer in schools? No birth control taught in schools? Fighting contraception in third world nations that desperately need it? Saving us from the evils of gambling (but strangely just on the Internet, not in Vegas)? No abortion option? Saving the world on a “crusade” in the Middle East? Saving the world from the “Axis of Evil” (which by the way are all more of a threat since the Bush Republicans branded them morally “evil”). Come on. This President is obviously on what he thinks is a mission ordained by the Christian God and the Bush Republicans are happy to jump on the bandwagon to max out voter support from the religious right.

5. The use of embryonic stem cells due to be discarded for research is the beginning of a “slippery slope” to broader uses that are immoral. The slippery slope argument can always be made. We have to balance what’s here and now.

6. Lots of other silly, stretched analogies. One poster went so far as to claim nonsensically: “The intent to create and use humans as a commodity for other humans lowers our value of life. My objection, and I believe that of President Bush is toward the intent of the use. For example, people may die in car crashes, but we don’t design cars to deliberately kill people as a means of population control. Even IF population control could be argued by some top scientists to be in our best interests.” A+ for creativity – and I wonder if the rest of us can be this creative. Really. Let’s please stick to the facts and results before us.

Real living human being are dying and suffering who could be saved by this promising research, and these needed embryonic stem cells which are being tossed (1) are tiny little thoughtless cells not even close to people and (2) are gone either way. The Democrats, the American public, Nancy Reagan, Orin Hatch and a lot of Republicans recognize this. Once again, the majority of the Bush Republicans are “out there.” The stem cell debate is just another failure in a long line of them by our currently lacking government.

]]> By: tm http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-686176 tm Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:35:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-686176 Bush and Laura not having babies for five years? Hmmmmmmm Birth control pulls don't allow fertilized eggs to implant. Do ya think Bush was wearing rubbers for five years? Hmmm, those fertilized eggs were ok to kill? Bush and Laura not having babies for five years? Hmmmmmmm
Birth control pulls don’t allow fertilized eggs to implant. Do ya think Bush was wearing rubbers for five years?
Hmmm, those fertilized eggs were ok to kill?

]]> By: Ben’s Blog » Blog Archive » Think Progress » Bolten Defends Rove’s False Claims on Stem Cells: Karl ‘Knows A Lot of Stuff’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-686159 Ben’s Blog » Blog Archive » Think Progress » Bolten Defends Rove’s False Claims on Stem Cells: Karl ‘Knows A Lot of Stuff’ Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:25:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-686159 [...] Think Progress » Bolten Defends Rove’s False Claims on Stem Cells: Karl ‘Knows A Lot of Stuff’ [...] [...] Think Progress » Bolten Defends Rove’s False Claims on Stem Cells: Karl ‘Knows A Lot of Stuff’ [...]

]]> By: Solitaire http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-686097 Solitaire Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:35:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-686097 Rove, the new de-facto "Scientific American". Garbage in, garbage out. Rove, the new de-facto “Scientific American”.
Garbage in, garbage out.

]]> By: nofltwlt http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-685987 nofltwlt Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:59:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-685987 Sounds like the GOP has another bobble head. Next we will learn that he is incompetent as well. Sounds like the GOP has another bobble head. Next we will learn that he is incompetent as well.

]]> By: Total Information Awareness http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-685984 Total Information Awareness Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:56:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-685984 Rove "knows alot of stuff" about your personal life, for sure. <em>Why don't Palestinians just move somewhere where they're welcome?-Ed Schultz</em> Rove “knows alot of stuff” about your personal life, for sure.

Why don’t Palestinians just move somewhere where they’re welcome?-Ed Schultz

]]> By: stew http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-685977 stew Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:16:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-685977 Thats just one more view "not shared" by a great many persons because of the White Houses ineptitude, yet another example of shoot from the lip to tamp down any all all opposing view points instead fo embracing an celebrating the divergent American mossaic? No, right wing extreme non senseical babblings...in order to hold power instaed of whats right, whats good for the nation...well dont blame me I voted for Gore! Problem is how much longer can the Republic endure the embarrasing state of a<strong>ffairs?</strong> Thats just one more view “not shared” by a great many persons because of the White Houses ineptitude, yet another example of shoot from the lip to tamp down any all all opposing view points instead fo embracing an celebrating the divergent American mossaic?
No, right wing extreme non senseical babblings…in order to hold power instaed of whats right, whats good for the nation…well dont blame me I voted for Gore!
Problem is how much longer can the Republic endure the embarrasing state of affairs?

]]> By: sinus sufferer http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-685976 sinus sufferer Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:14:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-685976 sure thing they ALL know a lot of stuff, such as lying, cheating and stealing!! im ashamed to be called an american! everywhere i travel i get a lot of hostility thrown at me because of the policies of the american government, and i dont even agree with most of them!! sure thing they ALL know a lot of stuff, such as lying, cheating and stealing!! im ashamed to be called an american!

everywhere i travel i get a lot of hostility thrown at me because of the policies of the american government, and i dont even agree with most of them!!

]]> By: Sharon Cox http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-685881 Sharon Cox Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:22:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-685881 Well better late than never. I just saw the meet the press run with "Chief of staff" infection, bolten......To hot for me and mine today, my poor critters and I have been dealing with our own mini melt down......More bulshit bush propergander(sp on purpose)....This bolten is just like the other bolton in that they are both dogs, the other is a pit bull and this one is a yorkie. Atleast he has better hair and none covering his lip......Blessings.. Well better late than never. I just saw the meet the press run with “Chief of staff” infection, bolten……To hot for me and mine today, my poor critters and I have been dealing with our own mini melt down……More bulshit bush propergander(sp on purpose)….This bolten is just like the other bolton in that they are both dogs, the other is a pit bull and this one is a yorkie. Atleast he has better hair and none covering his lip……Blessings..

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-685873 Zooey Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:57:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-685873 #65 - katy, I don't remember that case specifically, but I know there is a law in Texas that patients can be taken off life support for financial reasons. So much for the sanctity of life, eh? More like the sanctity of the wallet... #65 – katy,

I don’t remember that case specifically, but I know there is a law in Texas that patients can be taken off life support for financial reasons. So much for the sanctity of life, eh? More like the sanctity of the wallet…

]]> By: PeterBBB http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-685863 PeterBBB Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:32:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-685863 Pat Buchanan slams Israel on attack of Lebanon This is really emotional, and its from a very conservative American. I was touched. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFZDbDyinw Pat Buchanan slams Israel on attack of Lebanon

This is really emotional, and its from a very conservative American. I was touched.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFZDbDyinw

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-685861 katy Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:28:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-685861 just stepped in, to throw this recollection out there...a caller to laura flanders reminded me of the story about the texas child who was taken off life-support and allowed to die because his family couldn't afford to pay the the medical bills... something like that... years ago... remember?... just stepped in, to throw this recollection out there…a caller to laura flanders reminded me of the story about the texas child who was taken off life-support and allowed to die because his family couldn’t afford to pay the the medical bills… something like that… years ago…
remember?…

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/comment-page-2/#comment-685857 Jay Randal Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:23:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/23/bolten-rove-stem-cells/#comment-685857 Do not give any ideas to Cheney > he is supposed to leave office in January 2009 with Bush dork, so we do NOT want Dick to think about the presidency for himself in 2008! Do not give any ideas to Cheney > he is supposed to leave office in January 2009 with Bush dork, so we do NOT want Dick to think about the presidency for himself in 2008!

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