“What you ARE stands over you the while, and thunders, so that I cannot hear what you say to the contrary.”

Only because you really don’t like yourself.

I’d imagine the judge’s words would go along with his or her actions. Unlike you and yours.

Your actions do not jive with your words. You should consider acting like the words… Then people might like you, including yourself.

I’m certainly “a liberal” and think we spend waaay too much on killing, and its strangling us at home, too. Christ were always at war, and I think we’re paranoid haters now. We kill a lot of non combatants people, thats a fact. No wonder everyone hates us now.
The party system is whacked, they are just money launderers now, what us ghetto folk call “bagmen”. Their power comes from being the only legal recipient of large sums of cash. They only permit corporate whores to be nominated, in order to retain that control.. So no matter which party prevails, the winner is a corporate whore.
But i see the utility of the plane, at least for now, and have some dim understanding about procurement prices dropping drastically as the number produced increases.

What about this arguments that unmanned planes are the future.. sounds likely to me. Conrad? #68

I would love to see how you would answer questions in a courtroom.

Judge: Maam, just please answer the question.

You: I have answered it from my perspective, you just don’t like what I had to say.

Judge: but nobody knows what you are saying.

You: That’s because I’ve defined my own ideology—you’ve never experienced this because you haven’t read ” Cultural Anthropology” and you can’t accept that your position is immoral…blah, blah, blah…

Judge: (begins hitting self in head with gavel)

It’s truly remarkable how you continually accuse me of assigning tone to your writings, while you keep assigning motive to mine—repleat with a complete character assessment. You’re so focused on trying to read between the lines, that you consistently miss the plain meaning of my words. Ah well…What more can I say to someone who tightly shuts their eyes, and puts their fingers in their ears? Your self-defined ideology and your self-prescribed morals have insulated you against reality.

Think what you want—I’ve had enough of you.

Actions speak louder than words. Your actions belie your words.

What you’re failing to grasp is a simple communication skill.

Well, considering I’ve won awards and promotions in my career that conflict with your accessment on that, I’m gonna go with it is you who fails to grasp them.

When someone says something to you, you should reply with the equivalent of, “So what you’re saying is…”

Again, you are lecturing me on the ‘one right way’ to act – your way. That’s showing that you need to be right. Nothing remotely subtle about that. Nothing.

If that person responds in the affirmative, then you have successfully understood their position.

What you don’t know about human behavior is staggering.

And your condescention is beyond tiresome. Save it for your children.

Then you may proceed to either agree or disagree with them. If that person responds in the negative, then you have to accept that your understanding needs some tweaking until you get an affirmative response from them. This is how you maintain mutual respect.

I thought I was clear that you lost my interest in mutaul respect the first time you attacked me.

Besides, I disagree that your method is how you attain mutual respect. I think it’s not something you are interested in as you came into a liberal website and began attacking people.

Again, your actions say far more than your words…

I always respond to you in the negative because your replies to me are not accurate—indicating that you continually misunderstand what I have said, not because you don’t agree with me.

You respond to me in the negative because you are a negative person. I don’t misunderstand you at all. As I mentioned above, I see the world from a different perspective. My perspective of you is just as valid as yours. It is THAT that you don’t get. There is no truth, just many different opinions. All equally valid to those who hold them.

I know, you don’t get it. You get nothing about reality. We’ve established that.

Of course I think I’m right—and so do you. However, you wrongfully assume that I never have, or never do question what I believe or why I believe it. Because I haven’t arrived at the same conclusions as you—you seem to think I’m incapable of this.

I’m not wrong. You haven’t questioned it. If you did, you wouldn’t be such an asshole to people at this website. In fact, you probably wouldn’t be here at all. Just as people like me don’t go to conservative or christian websites to play the role of an antagonist.

Again, your actions show your true face. You not liking that doesn’t make it invalid.

I’ll say this one more time—I don’t care what you think of my position. I truly don’t.

These are not the actions of someone who doesn’t care. If you don’t care what I think then, well, you don’t argue with me trying to convince me that you are right, honest, whatevere trait it is you keep telling me I’m ‘wrong’ about. If you don’t care it’s not necessary. I know, you don;t get that either. It’s easier to just think I’m wrong about everything….

What I do care about is that any attempt I make to communicate with you can’t even get off the ground.

Well, you established that and continue to perpetuate it with the way you address me. You think it’s me, but really, I’m one of those people who responds in like. You’re simply getting from me what you give. Don’t like the consequences of your actions? Consider your actions then.

Contrary to what you may think of me, I really do care about getting along with others even if I don’t agree with them or they with me.

Your actions say otherwise. I’m not the only liberal who sees you this way. I know, I know, we’re all wrong and you’re right – but you don’t care about that… The fallacious logic is from you just mind bending…

Basic communication is all I ask.

Then you should start by giving it. You don’t. Ask around.

If you were to see a counselor for whatever reason, he or she could even be more liberal than you, and still they would say things to you like, ” So what you’re saying is…” The purpose would be to accurately understand where you are coming from. BUT, because I have this expectation, you chalk it up to my need for absolutes, or to some erroneous religious belief system, or some inherited ideals.
Comment by Antagonist — July 26, 2006 @ 10:55 pm

I am only going on what you told me. And how you’ve treated me and others.

Again, don’t like the consequences of your actions? Change your actions. You are the only one who can.

But, I know how it is. You can’t accept any accountability for the way you are treated. Even if you could accept that you teach people how to treat you, you still wouldn’t get that it applies to you. And I don’t have to assume that. I have always had the ability to read people. You care because you act like it. Saying you don’t doesn’t change that.

It’s no use… even in your first reply to me you continue to insist that I want you to agree with me. I don’t, and have said so many times in our history. What you’re failing to grasp is a simple communication skill. When someone says something to you, you should reply with the equivalent of, “So what you’re saying is…” If that person responds in the affirmative, then you have successfully understood their position. Then you may proceed to either agree or disagree with them. If that person responds in the negative, then you have to accept that your understanding needs some tweaking until you get an affirmative response from them. This is how you maintain mutual respect.

I always respond to you in the negative because your replies to me are not accurate—indicating that you continually misunderstand what I have said, not because you don’t agree with me.

Of course I think I’m right—and so do you. However, you wrongfully assume that I never have, or never do question what I believe or why I believe it. Because I haven’t arrived at the same conclusions as you—you seem to think I’m incapable of this.

I’ll say this one more time—I don’t care what you think of my position. I truly don’t. What I do care about is that any attempt I make to communicate with you can’t even get off the ground. Contrary to what you may think of me, I really do care about getting along with others even if I don’t agree with them or they with me. Basic communication is all I ask. If you were to see a counselor for whatever reason, he or she could even be more liberal than you, and still they would say things to you like, ” So what you’re saying is…” The purpose would be to accurately understand where you are coming from. BUT, because I have this expectation, you chalk it up to my need for absolutes, or to some erroneous religious belief system, or some inherited ideals.

The problem I have with that is that you’re wrong about this and cannot grasp it, because your position requires you to never question it. I have questioned it. It’s why you don’t get most of my responses to ou. Not the other way around. When you, like me, have alternatives to compare your perspective against, you might understand. Until then I expect you to continue to think it is me who doesn’t ge your perspective, when I lived it. I think you don’t like the fact that iI rejected it for something you do not see.

It’s about cultural Anthropology. We are trained to accept the things we are taught in our formative years, and that shapes our perspective. If you never question it or try another vantage point, you think your way is THE way and do not realize there is no truth – just many different perspectives. I have done that. And in doing that, I think your way of life is shallow, egocentric and painful in comparision to the perspective I’ve chosen.

And that is the key difference. I’ve defined my own ideology. You just follow someone else’s.

I have taken great pains to be as precise as my command of the English language will allow me to be, and your responses do not represent what I think or believe with any degree of accuracy.

Yes they do. From my perspective. Which you do not understand because you’ve never experienced it. Only your own.

I get why you feel this way. It’s the only way you know, so for me to come to a different conclusion about your beliefs is foreign to you, and not what you expect. It doesn’t make it invalid, as you claim. It just means, like it or not, I see the world from a different perspective, and do not like the one you have.

You arrogantly think you know my position and respond with some kind of snide remark and a diatribe against what you thought you heard.

I’m not even remotely arrogant. I just have more and more diverse life experience. That is a fact.

In a written format it is you who attaches the tone. If you take my comments that you don’t understand to be anything other than my perspective, then well, it is your problem that you do not accept or respect that it’s perfectly valid for me to think your perspective is ignorant and dangerous. You don’t like that I think your system is immoral. You validate that every time you whine about the fact that I think your perspective is egocentric and short-sighted. I don’t know why you care what I think, and don’t say you don’t, or you wouldn’t be bothered by it, because really, if your perspective is so perfect, then what I think would, or at least should to you, be inconsequential. If you think there is one right way and it is yours, then my rejection of it shouldn’t matter. And yet it does.

How often have I replied to you with a “No—that’s not what I said?”

I don’t keep track. It’s not as relevant to me as it seems to be to you. Besides, you are one of the worst ones for misrepresenting liberals in general. Funny how it’s okay for you and no one else…

That never seems to matter to you and no amount of explanation ever seems to bring any clarification or any adjustment in your replies—hence the feeling of beating of my head against the wall or of having a sharp stick in the eye.
Comment by Antagonist — July 26, 2006 @ 9:24 pm

Because you think your way is right and don’t get that anyone could see it differently. It’s because you have not truly questioned your perspective or tried another. I read a fascinating book last summer on cultural anthropology. It explains that each human is taught a way to see the world, and very, very few are able to put it aside and try on another perspective. And that until you do that, you will not understand why someone doesn’t see you the way you see yourself (or anything else really).

But go ahead and call me names. I know it’s easier than questioning your inherited ideals.

Why not.. I haven’t had a sharp stick in the eye in a while…

You are indeed in a box… one of your own making. AND I am not bothered in the least by your disagreeing with me. That’s one of the benefits of being married and having a family—you learn how to live with people that don’t agree with everything you say or do. The problem I have with you is that I’m not convinced that you really do understand my positions on any number of subjects. I have taken great pains to be as precise as my command of the English language will allow me to be, and your responses do not represent what I think or believe with any degree of accuracy. You arrogantly think you know my position and respond with some kind of snide remark and a diatribe against what you thought you heard. How often have I replied to you with a “No—that’s not what I said?” That never seems to matter to you and no amount of explanation ever seems to bring any clarification or any adjustment in your replies—hence the feeling of beating of my head against the wall or of having a sharp stick in the eye.

I’m an artistic, vegan Atheist who has no urge to breed. Obviously I live outside the box.

Frankly, I understand what you’re saying, I just happen to disagree with 90% of it. And it’s really the fact that you can’t convince me of your perspective that actually bothers you Ant… No matter how much you refuse to admit it.

And, so you know, it is actually Jason, ironically, who cannot change his mind. It’s a symptom of his Aspberger’s…

Actually, from your response, it sounds like YOU have never encountered such people. Funny what fear will make you do.

I’ve learned that the best defense is actually an offense. That means not painting myself into corners, using common sense, and being respectful to other people. It’s why no one attacks Switzerland… Switzerland doesn’t give them a reason to do so. We practically beg… I don’t expect you to understand that, but it doesn’t make it any less true.