Iraqi Speaker, Defended By White House, Claims America Invaded Iraq ‘With A Pure Zionist Agenda’
Iraqi Speaker, Defended By White House, Claims America Invaded Iraq ‘With A Pure Zionist Agenda’
Last weekend, the speaker of the Iraqi parliament, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, described the U.S. occupation of Iraq as “butcher’s work.” Confronted with those remarks on Sunday, White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten said he had met with al-Mashhadani privately and believes he has an “appreciation for the sacrifice so many Americans have made.”
If al-Mashhandi appreciates the sacrifices of Americans, he has a funny way of showing it. At a news conference, he said “I personally think whoever kills an American soldier in defense of his country would have a statue built for him in that country.” Also this:
Saying that the U.S. seeks to control oil fields in southern Iraq, Mashadani added, “America didn’t come to the country for our sake. America came with a pure Zionist agenda.“
Remember, the neoconservatives in the Bush administration promised us that invading Iraq and creating a democratic government would stabilize the Middle East. From Newsweek:
Last year’s invasion of Iraq and toppling of Saddam Hussein were supposed to bring prosperity and stability to the Middle East. “The road to Jerusalem,” the mantra went, led through Baghdad. Neoconservatives and other hawks within the Bush administration expected that the United States would win respect in the Arab world through a massive show of force, and that Israel would be more comfortable making peace with the Palestinians once Saddam was gone.
President Bush today will meet with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and present an image of the Iraqi government as a strong ally of the United States. In reality, there are powerful forces in the Iraqi government who are completely at odds with U.S. interests.
It’s a reality that the White House and Josh Bolten prefer to ignore.
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So is this considered "Biting the hand that hits you"?
July 25th, 2006 at 10:44 amI didn\'t believe this kind of stuff before, but after taking current events into consideration, it\'s clear that the U.S. wants the enemys of Israel eliminated.
Syria is next.....just watch
July 25th, 2006 at 10:44 am... and OUR government is completely at odds with OUR interests.
July 25th, 2006 at 10:45 amRemember when the Iraqi Minister of Defense was holding those surreal press conferences where he was telling all the reporters about the victories of the Iraqi army against the infidels? Remember what a joke it was? The WH has become the same joke, telling us about the great democracy that is budding in Iraq. Civil war is renamed "growing pains".
How long will our press continue as lapdogs?
July 25th, 2006 at 11:00 amThe road from Baghdad to Israel goes through the White House.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:05 amOh, wait!
The White House couldn't let Condom go to Israel until her &
Bush met with the Saudis.
So to get from Baghdad to Jerusalem one must go through the
White House, Riyahd & then Israel.
Just more feathers for the duck.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:05 amI guess he had no flowers in his pocket to throw at our "liberating" troops as they came to IMPOSE democracy at the end of the tank barrel.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:07 amI didn\’t believe this kind of stuff before, but after taking current events into consideration, it\’s clear that the U.S. wants the enemys of Israel eliminated.
Syria is next…..just watch
Comment by Jebus loves me — July 25, 2006 @ 10:44 am
So you'd rather Israel be eliminated? I believe that its one of Iran's goals.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:12 amI am starting to think more and more that our incursion into Iraq was a manipulation by Iran.................remember Iranian spy Ahmed Chalabi and his closeness to the neocons?
July 25th, 2006 at 11:21 amThat accurately sums up the Neocons themselves and the entire PNAC agenda. They are terrorists on a mass scale and have hurled the world into war that has no achievable end. They planned it since 1992, executed their Pearl Harbor on 91101 and have never looked back.
The military is protecting nothing but special interests and their own expansion. Their alter is to their gods of money and power where they sacrifice human life for all they can get.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:24 amhow much more money is Iran able to put in it's war chest because of high crude prices?
July 25th, 2006 at 11:24 amBreaking snark News
Iraq, angry over Israel attacks on Lebanon, attacked Israel. Iraq's ally and occupier, the USA, was seen supporting the Iraqi troops.
Israel, in response, launched attacks against Iraq, while at the same time requesting military assistance from America. America, a long time supporter of Israel has agreed to help.
Much of Syria was overrun by advancing US supported Iraqi troops. They have been held back by the American supported Israeli army.
Back at home, WH mouthpiece Tony "DC Bob" Snow pointed out though US troops were battling US troops, it would be wrong to characterize this as a "civil war." He pointed out that Negroponte had assured him none of the intelligence analysts were using this term.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:25 am"Remember, the neoconservatives in the Bush administration promised us that invading Iraq and creating a democratic government would stabilize the Middle East."
July 25th, 2006 at 11:26 amYes,as matter of fact I DO remember that particuliarly wild delusional boast. I also remember how Iraqi oil would fund this little field trip; how we would be welcomed with open arms as liberators. I remeber too, about 18 months ago, that the insurgency was in it's death-throes.
Reality is slightly different than spin: 2565 dead American soldiers--too poor to live the protected life of a Crawford elitist. 250,000 dead civilians who had no dog in this fight. $298,388,378,355 and counting in debt to a shithole war that will all be given back to the sun baked scorpions.
Tell me anything, you jackasses, I'll believe you.
Saying that the U.S. seeks to control oil fields in southern Iraq, Mashadani added, “America didn’t come to the country for our sake. America came with a pure Zionist agenda.“
Nice to see who has our troop's backs over there.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:30 amGrandpa Seth, yup, Iraq was ripe for the pickens............by the Iranians
it sickens me that the U.S. military was used to accomplish Iran's goals
July 25th, 2006 at 11:34 amone more thing
Arabs are semites
so describing someone who opposes Zionist barbarism as an "anti semite" is absurd, ignorant and makes you look foolish
July 25th, 2006 at 11:35 amIt’s a reality that the White House and Josh Bolten prefer to ignore.
Isn't that simply standard operating procedure .... ?
July 25th, 2006 at 11:38 am#12. I like that. Its similiar to America funding the destroyer (Israel). Then we turn around and help fund the effort to fix the destruction that our destroyer caused. When your out-of-control kid smacks up someone elses property with your car you pay! Well dont let him drive in the first place.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:39 am[...] Mahmoud al-Mashhadani [...]
July 25th, 2006 at 11:49 am#10, Just Plain Mad, wraps the whole thing into a neat little package. Great comment.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:50 amBush's Chief of Staff obviously doesn't know where the speaker of the Iraqi parliament, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, stands in his relationship with the U.S. This just parallels the lack of intelligence (intellect and political/cultural knowledge) by the Bush administration which keeps shooting off its collective mouth and its collective weapons. Keep us confused, keep us in line.
July 25th, 2006 at 12:11 pm#4, DrSinker Remember when the Iraqi Minister of Defense was holding those surreal...
I agree. I haven't believed less of what comes out of this administration than right now and I haven't ever seen any administration lie so blatantly to the point where people are frequently asking how on EARTH they can get away with it and have people believe it.
July 25th, 2006 at 12:12 pmAs for gaining respect in the Arab world by showing such military might, the US has done just the opposite. They have won disdain and shown thier weakness instead.
July 25th, 2006 at 12:20 pmThey have won disdain and shown thier weakness instead.
Comment by snookered — July 25, 2006 @ 12:20 pm
Of course!!! Who could respect a nation, so frightened of their own shadows that they slaughter 30,000 innocent civilians and pitch a country into never ending chaos, just in case.
These are the same people who refuse to taken action on global warming until "all the evidence is in".
The same people who dismiss terrorist motives as "unimportant", yet when it comes to US soldiers or Israeli crimes, the list of excuses is never ending.
The is a core of evil to the republican. Not a conspiracy or anything as organised as that. Just a group of banal, evil 3rd raters who have seized the levers of power. Happened before elsewhere, and no doubt it'll happen somewhere again.
Depressing to see a country of such promise, have it all pissed away by such a bunch of inadequates.
July 25th, 2006 at 12:29 pmThis is a one amasing crowd!
July 25th, 2006 at 12:31 pmAnybody who is looking for clowns should come to this web-site!
This place by far funniyer then "The Daily Show"
It is incomprehensible how one could comment the article in more then one way.
Yet, A-H-U-UH! Do not underestimate ..... can't remember. But I think Einstein had something to say about it.
But wait , the Great Al was a jew! Was he?
thanks for coming and thanks for your insightful comments.......
July 25th, 2006 at 12:40 pmNo I don't want to see Israel eliminated, but I'm sick of seeying $10 Billion of MY TAX DOLLARS a year, going to Israel so they can kill more civilians in Lebanon
I'm sick of the U.S. bias to Israel which causes the anti-american sentiment to rise, which causes us to loose the battle for the hearts and minds.
and I'm sick of Terrorists using Israel as an excuse to recruite against us.
July 25th, 2006 at 12:42 pmSo you’d rather Israel be eliminated? I believe that its one of Iran’s goals.
Comment by Grandpa Seth
False choice. I don't want to see anyone "eliminated" and I oppose any faction that wants to eliminate either preemptively or responsively.
July 25th, 2006 at 12:47 pmWell Jebus loves me. I am an imported issue, as oppose to a domestic one. So, it is my expectation you would know the quote of one Great American that I am familiar with. And this quote actually does mention the the battle for the hearts and minds and how to win it.
July 25th, 2006 at 12:49 pmAnother arguement. If you think you love the World - go live in the world, if you love THE USA - live in the USA. But, do not be a hypocrat - do not spit in a well you intend to drink from.
thank you very much
So you’d rather Israel be eliminated? I believe that its one of Iran’s goals.
Here's an idea...since we seem to like Israel so damned much, why don't we put them up here?
That way, we can keep the $10 billion we give them annually.
July 25th, 2006 at 12:50 pmwalter66
July 25th, 2006 at 12:51 pmr u talk'in 2 me?
r u talk'in 2 me?
29 OneJew
July 25th, 2006 at 12:57 pmSo, if we don't like a policy of the U.S., we should just leave the U.S.?
There is absolutey no doubt our Republican and Democratic leaders are pro Zion theocrats.
Why don’t Palestinians just move somewhere where they are welcome? -Ed Schultz
July 25th, 2006 at 1:03 pmOneJew
Did you every sell or promote FREEDOM FRIES
No...all kidding aside...I must appologize for insulting our great government and our great Dear Leader Bush.
After all, if you don't agree with the GOP, the terrorists win
July 25th, 2006 at 1:04 pm-The 3 Wise men
-Cheeseburgers
-Christmas
-Possible 3 way with Joe Lieberman and Barbara Boxer
-Israel
These are the top 5 items on Bill's mind while he was giving Monica her pearl necklace...
July 25th, 2006 at 1:07 pm# 24, Brian, These are the same people who refuse to taken action on global warming until “all the evidence is inâ€.
The same people who dismiss terrorist motives as “unimportantâ€, yet when it comes to US soldiers or Israeli crimes, the list of excuses is never ending.
Allow me to compare this behavior to the one's of men who will drive their wives into the ditch, dump them and drive over their dead bodies before consenting to stopping the car and asking for directions! They should all be "retired" and we should all start with a clean slate/State starting this November. What do you say?
July 25th, 2006 at 1:10 pmwalter66
July 25th, 2006 at 1:12 pmI You are talking to me, then thank You very much.
Jebus loves me
You have expressed Your position very clearly. I would say You have nailed it. Many people tried, but You are successful and victorious!
Moreover. You must feel proud for I know for sure personally and from press, TV, other media - YOU ARE NOT ALONE. There is like a "whole bunch" of people who feel exactly the same way. They just can not say it better then You, Sir, did. (ref: "whole bunch" is a number and means many)
Your position spells to me:
"I JUST WANT TO LIVE IN DISNEY LAND FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!
July 25th, 2006 at 1:19 pmIS THAT SO WRONG!!!!!????"
OneJew
I've heard nothing but GOP rhetoric from you today, and no factual, or intellectual arguments.
Would you care to make a factual, reasonable argument?
July 25th, 2006 at 1:27 pmComment by Grandpa Seth —
You spew typical false associations. A fundamental Jewsish self defense meachanism.
But I can do that, too. If Bush were Palestinian, he'd be in Hamas. If Bush were Iraqi, he'd be Saddam.
Radicals serve radicals.
Israel is on borrowed time. Israel is unsustainable in the modern world.
July 25th, 2006 at 1:30 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian
I am truly sorry, Sir, but You got me confused: whom do You refer to as "WE"?
Is it yourself?
So, if we don’t like a policy of the U.S., we should just leave the U.S.?
Either that, or stop spiting in a well You eat and drink from. That would be two options I could offer, but you are welcome to shop around, see if there are other ones.
Free speech and democratic process are both associated with decency and tolerance.
I think, but certainly I just might be wrong.
July 25th, 2006 at 1:31 pmWhy don't Palestinians just move somewhere where they're welcome? -Ed Schultz
July 25th, 2006 at 1:32 pmso, uh one Jew.........you think it was a good thing that the neocons were manipulated by Iranian spy ahmed chalabi so pro-iranians now rule Iraq?
July 25th, 2006 at 1:32 pmTotal Information Awareness
I extend my sincere congratulations.
July 25th, 2006 at 1:33 pmNow you could relax and have a drink.
The Bush Regime might try to have the Iraqi Speaker assassinated now?
July 25th, 2006 at 1:35 pmOne Jew,
July 25th, 2006 at 1:36 pmIf you're talking to me you better start making sense.
Jebus loves me
July 25th, 2006 at 1:37 pmif you don’t agree with the GOP, the terrorists win
I got it: there are 2 colors - black and white.
One could either agree, or go "LUCKY CHARMS BONKERS"
Do I agree with everything?
?
Ye-e-a-h, I didn't say anything about that, did I?
Comment by walter66 —
Screw that. Count the Democrats who still take AIPAC money despite the AIPAC spies at the highest levels of the Pentagon. Jeesh. Makes me sick.
July 25th, 2006 at 1:38 pmTotal Information Awareness
July 25th, 2006 at 1:39 pmthe top 5 items on Bill’s mind
nice. very nice.
OneJew
July 25th, 2006 at 1:42 pmI think you've got yourself confused all by your little lonesome. I'll only make one comment to you: I love my country, the United States of America, and will remain in and of it until I die. I will not, however, stand by and let politicians get away from the values on which she was founded. Just as I lovingly chastized and corrected my daughter when she was wrong, I will do so with America when she is wrong.
The majority of Palestinians have already tried that. There is 8 million of them in foreign countries. They are called refugees, and they are treated like crap.
Why should the palestinians (inhabitants of the land since 8th century) move?
July 25th, 2006 at 1:42 pmJebus loves me
GOP rhetoric from you today, and ...no intellectual arguments.
What does surprise you? Don’t you know “GOP rhetoric†and “intellectual†do not go together?
Would you care to make a factual, reasonable argument
Let me try to get it: You asking me about intellectual argument regarding a guy who happened to be in Iraqi parliament and says that USA invaded Iraq because of a hidden “Pure Zionist Agenda�
Well, if that’s what you are asking, then here is one intellectual argument: if you believe that, then you must believe that Uma-Sama is either CIA or MOSSAD agent.
Get it?
July 25th, 2006 at 1:48 pmOneJew:
If you can't make a reasonable argument, then answer my questions:
1. what did we gain from Bush's pre-emptive policy, which lead us to invade Iraq?
2. what did we gain from Bush's giving a blank check to Israel...the middle east has never been worse?
3. what did we gain from the Axis of Evil approach to North Korea and Iran?
If i'm ignorant, then I beg you dear sir, to show me the benefits of this administration's overly agressive policies and how they have made this world a safer place?
July 25th, 2006 at 1:51 pmit's about time someone from that gov is saying something. shit, we all knew it was for oil and a zionist mission. the first, i repeat the first place we, us soldiers, posted up at was the oil fields to protect them. give me a f. break.
July 25th, 2006 at 1:52 pmwalter66
Sorry, pal, it's not one Jew, it's One Jew. My first name is One, and my last name is Jew.
you think it was a good thing that the neocons were manipulated by Iranian spy ahmed chalabi so pro-iranians now rule Iraq?
No, I do not.
July 25th, 2006 at 1:52 pmTotal Information Awareness
July 25th, 2006 at 1:53 pmU2
Israel = a european problem imposed by colonial powers on an unsuspecting asian populace. ahmedinijad is right. Why should arab innocent countries have to suffer the consequences of european arrogance ?
July 25th, 2006 at 2:01 pmwhat i learned from jews is that watch out or else you'll get jewed. and one jew would that be ashkenazi?!!!!!
July 25th, 2006 at 2:02 pmTIA sez....."Screw that. Count the Democrats who still take AIPAC money despite the AIPAC spies at the highest levels of the Pentagon."
I would think that aipac would be asking for it's(originally given to them by the U.S. taxpayer) money back
July 25th, 2006 at 2:03 pmWhat this proves, as well as the election of Hamas, Hizbolleh in the Lebanese parliament and Ahmadinejad's election in Iran, is that if you give the Islamists a chance to choose social justice and progress over violence and the overthrow of Israel, they will choose the later even if it is obvious to cost them in terms of personal circumstances. I think it is a shame we were misdirected into Iraq, but it proves that the man in the street in Bagdad/Tehran etc is not capable of rising about base hatred and therefore lays bare the false promise of there being a peace partner for Israel. This will continue until the arabs and iran no longer have extortionisgt revenue from oil. Until there is viable alternative energy it makes sense to understand thei true stripes and be vigilant as Israel is.
July 25th, 2006 at 2:04 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian
I think you’ve got yourself confused all by your little lonesome. and etc.
Sir, most of us say we love our country and our kids. The problem is every single one of us put different meaning into a very broad and emotional word "love" and so everyone loves in a different way.
For example, You assume that "the values on which she (USA) was founded" are known and valued by you. Maybe true, maybe not. I do not know.
But, it is inconsiderate to monopolize that only you care. Your define people who do not care as those who do not share your opinion.
That’s rude.
July 25th, 2006 at 2:05 pmOne Jew LOL > that is NOT your real name get real!
July 25th, 2006 at 2:05 pm#62
it's ashkenazi jew. (lol)
July 25th, 2006 at 2:06 pmOne Jew,
July 25th, 2006 at 2:08 pmAfter 60 years and countless billions of dollars in US aide, can you point out one good, product, or idea that Isreal has produced and exported for the benefit of the world community? I'd kind of like to know what I'm getting for my tax dollar investment.
#64
i can david b. well, we've put the rothchilds in power of the monetary banking system. he runs our media. and he has bought gorgyporgy and countless others in the us to fight his war in the middle east. for starters. and we are getting 'jewed'. but who didn't see that coming from known criminals.
July 25th, 2006 at 2:12 pmjust thought i would help the ashkenazi out.
July 25th, 2006 at 2:12 pmWhat? Can you imagine what they'd say if we ever left Iraq? This kind of talk can be considered not only insulting to us but also as destabilizing of the whole Middle East... That would be a good reason for us to re-invade!
July 25th, 2006 at 2:19 pmI'll tell you what the Freedom Fries foreign policy has resulted in:
1. the election of Hamas,
2. Hizbolleh in the Lebanese parliament.
3. Ahmadinejad’s election in Iran
4. Zarqawi and company in Iraq.
5. London Bombings.
6. Everyone in the world hates us.
7. And most importantly: 10 North Korean nukes + Taepodon 2 to deliver them to the west coast.
July 25th, 2006 at 2:24 pmjason baddo
Why should arab innocent countries have to suffer the consequences of european arrogance ?
Ignorance is a mother of confusion.
get the book and read the history...
July 25th, 2006 at 2:25 pmSteve59
July 25th, 2006 at 2:28 pmnot bad. thx.
61 OneJew
July 25th, 2006 at 2:29 pmSo, are you now ready to renounce your statement in 29: Another arguement. If you think you love the World - go live in the world, if you love THE USA - live in the USA. My posts since then have been a direct response to your statement. I never told YOU to leave the U.S. or questioned your love for our country.
Jay Randal
that is NOT your real name get real!
LOL, LOL
like this discussion, it's quite surreal. Some guy in Iraq blabers nonsense and we are talking about it? Is that real.
Then again, if there would be no anti-semitism, why wouldn't my name be One Jew?
July 25th, 2006 at 2:33 pmSay, like Christian White?
http://www.asylumgoons.blogspot.com/
it's a long read but well worth it.
July 25th, 2006 at 2:36 pmAndros
What? Can you imagine...
Quite right, thx.
July 25th, 2006 at 2:36 pmwhy didn't rumsfeld send more troops to Iraq in the begining?..........because ahmed chalabi told him they wouldn't be needed
peace partner to Israel or staying alive another day...........yup, I could see where that would be a hard decision
July 25th, 2006 at 2:39 pmsorry, I mis-spoke..........what I meant to say was Iranian spy ahmed chalabi..............
July 25th, 2006 at 2:42 pmbs
it’s about time ... a zionist mission ... watch out or else you’ll get jewed ... ashkenazi ... the rothchilds in power ... known criminals
I just submitted your comments to KKK, they say your membership is approved. All you have to do give me your social security number, full address, credit card #/ expiration date and they will except your membership.
congratulations.
July 25th, 2006 at 2:43 pmJebus loves me
1. what did we gain from Bush’s pre-emptive policy, which lead us to invade Iraq?
I do not know about us, like you and me, you know, but US has disrupted strategic terror routes from Philippines to Kosovo and from Chechnya to Somalia (pls, see maps.yahoo.com)
2. what did we gain from Bush’s giving a blank check to Israel…the middle east has never been worse?
I never seen no blank checks. Did you?
3. what did we gain from the Axis of Evil approach to North Korea and Iran?
US interests has been strengthened. As a result North Korea and Iran got desperate. What is seen is on the surface. Aren’t North Korea and Iran desperate? Why?
If i’m ignorant, then I beg you dear sir, to show me the benefits of this administration’s overly agressive policies and how they have made this world a safer place?
That’s easy. We (you and I) did not have a nuke going off in the neighborhood. Did we?
July 25th, 2006 at 2:57 pmDavid B
idea that Isreal has produced and exported for the benefit of the world community
yeap. One could live in peace with Palestinians, like people do in Haifa.
I'm not exactly sure why except Israel palestinian people are treated so badly and do not have rights to vote in every single other country of Middle East: Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and on and on...
July 25th, 2006 at 3:05 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian
#71.
No, I do not renounce #29 that says
do not be a hypocrat - do not spit in a well you intend to drink from.
July 25th, 2006 at 3:10 pm[by invading Iraq] US has disrupted strategic terror routes from Philippines to Kosovo and from Chechnya to Somalia.
FALSE... the Bi-partisan 9/11 committee concluded there was no link between Iraq and Alqaeda
I never seen no blank checks [to Israel]. Did you?
Look it up...the Bush policy has been to disengage from the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
Also, if you see what the U.S. is allowing Israel to do right now...
that sounds like a blank check.
US interests has been strengthened. As a result North Korea and Iran got desperate. What is seen is on the surface. Aren’t North Korea and Iran desperate? Why?
wrong again our own NATO allies aren't willing to help us in Iraq...they are pulling out. I'd say our interests are being hurt.
We (you and I) did not have a nuke going off in the neighborhood. Did we?
Nor did any Nukes go off when Clinton was president.
July 25th, 2006 at 3:13 pmThat's exactly what we need...An Iran and a North Korea so desperate, that they have to build nukes to keep us from invading them.
July 25th, 2006 at 3:20 pmAnd what happened when North Korea got desperate ????
They built 10 nukes,
so now we have to shut the f**k up, and tuck our tail between our legs, because any military action against them is suicide.
And we can't even use the threat of force to pressure North Korea, because they know we wont attack them, because they have Nukes.
All of our enemies have learned that they need Nukes to keep us from invading them like Iraq, and they are all working on developing nukes.
I'd say the world is more dangerous now.
July 25th, 2006 at 3:27 pmIgnorance is a mother of confusion
#69 an apt description for the dumbed down american populace by virtue of zionist propaganda
July 25th, 2006 at 3:28 pmJebus loves me
I’d say the world is more dangerous now.
No, it is not.
July 25th, 2006 at 3:30 pmDick and
need to put
into action and show the whole world how big of a
we can all
if we just do what they tell us to, which is to sit and watch while they bumrush the show.
July 25th, 2006 at 3:31 pmjason baddo
#69 an apt description for the dumbed down american populace by virtue of zionist propaganda
or is it?
and who's jason baddo?
what's his solution to the terrorism?
July 25th, 2006 at 3:32 pmby invading Iraq] US has disrupted strategic terror routes from Philippines to Kosovo and from Chechnya to Somalia
.......and instead have made Iraq one big terror training camp.........
July 25th, 2006 at 3:33 pmAndrew
You poem is truly brilliant!!! Nobel Prize!!!
July 25th, 2006 at 3:33 pmUS has disrupted strategic terror routes from Philippines to Kosovo and from Chechnya to Somalia
Wow, everybody seem to enjoy this thought!!!
Like, you guys really did not think it before?
July 25th, 2006 at 3:35 pmC y'al.
July 25th, 2006 at 3:36 pmI guess it was time for OneJew to go fill up his 10 mpg SUV and eat his freedom fries.
wait a minute...
Gasoline fumes cause brain damage, and freedom fries cause irrational thinking....
and we thought he was naughty by nature (no pun intended)
July 25th, 2006 at 4:02 pmI wonder if there are as many orange barrels on one jew's "strategic terror routes" as there are on Ohio's interstates during the summer?
July 25th, 2006 at 4:15 pmWe (you and I) did not have a nuke going off in the neighborhood. Did we?
Anyone remember the joke about the little boy who kept snapping his fingers?
"It's to keep the tigers away."
"But there aren't any tigers anywhere near here!"
"Yeah. See how well it works?"
July 25th, 2006 at 4:50 pmWith all the innocent people dying in the world, with our soldiers being used and abused by a few white guys looking to get richer, with secret agendas taking shape, with all the hate and fear being fueled, what do we Americans do? We sit at our computers and "blog" about it. When are we going to take action and forcibly change our country for the better. Katrina was a test. What did we do? Watch the news and get mad. Six months later what did we do? Nothing. There are still hundreds of thousands of displaced and homeless citizens. Do we see them on the news anymore? Do we care? It's way past time to take action. Turn off your computers and get involved in your government. The government that supposedly is "of the people, by the people, for the people."
July 25th, 2006 at 4:50 pmWell Israel did pump out those technology kits which probably got 20% of our EE's on the path to understanding electronics and about the same ratio in physics. In my day, it was "Things of Science" that sparked my curiosity.
July 25th, 2006 at 5:18 pmOne Jew #79, Well that really didn't answer my question, but sounded nice. So, today I heard the PM of Syria on NPR. He indicated that they had contacted Isreal several time over the past esveral year to return to the table for peace talks. The Syrian offer was complete peace for the return of lands captured in the 67 war and others. The Israels refused, so how do propuse a peaceful existence with your Arab brothers without the return of land and continuation of the occupation villages/camps?
July 25th, 2006 at 5:36 pm[...] Think Progress [...]
July 25th, 2006 at 5:51 pmYeah, Grandpa. Lets go and fight for jewish people! Come on...what are you waiting for? Remember war, war, war? Come on!
July 25th, 2006 at 6:07 pmOne jew´s single-line posts are really insightful. Thank you very much for sharing those. Now, there are a lot of children without circumcisions, dont wait too much here.
July 25th, 2006 at 6:14 pmLike everything else, this maladministration's foreign policy has been a a collossal disaster. These neophytes are playing these high stakes games of chess with the lives of tens of thousands of innocent people in the region. America has zero credibility left, especially now that we have shown how unfairly we treat the world's non-Israelis.
July 25th, 2006 at 6:15 pmOne Jew
AIPAC just called , you are perfect for their new regional office in Fargo,North Dakota . Oh ,you did not know that AIPAC has regional offices all over the United States. Why? What are they trying to do?
But then again, non-Jewish men will do the fighting for YET ANOTHER
ISRAELI(ho-hum) victimization(oops I mean war), so YOUR NEW JOB IS SECURE.
We all know that we were duped with WMD in Iraq. Check the World Papers, not the biased American papers. Israel was threatened with SCUD missiles and that is WHY we invaded IRAQ(plain and simple).
ALL AMERICANS WANT IS THE TRUTH ONCE AND FOR ALL AND THEY ARE SLOWLY SEEING A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW ONCE AND FOR ALL
July 25th, 2006 at 6:15 pmIsrael MUST pay for it's bloody hands and ugly, dirty deeds against innocent people.
July 25th, 2006 at 6:18 pmFolks, as someone who was married to a Jewish man for 24 years, I respect a great deal of the Jewish heritage. There would be no Christianity without Judaism, for those of you who consider yourselves Christians.
However, I think Israel has overreacted in this instance. And in general, "terrorists" are treated in such ways as to create more "terrorists". Israel isn't the only one guilty of this; we Americans, the Russians, etc., have also done this and we are continuing to do so. The reason I put quotes around "terrorist" is that I think this term is used WAY too indiscriminately. "Terrorist" or "freedom fighter" or " fighting off the yoke of the invader" or "fighting off the yoke of the infidel": how these terms are applied depends very much on the viewpoint of those applying them.
Israel would have been correct to go after those who actually kidnapped the soldier or soldiers. Bombing civilian airports and killing noncombatants and strafing half a country, those are overreaction, and Israel is reaping and will reap the whirlwind. Israel is only creating more Hezbollah members for now and at least the next generation. This pattern can be seen over and over again in Israel's roughly 60 years of existence, just as it could be seen in Ireland, Spain (Basques), etc., etc. Is this present tragic situation going to magically turn out different?
All parties here have blood on their hands. Yes, some of the leaders in Iran and of the "terrorists" have said they want to obliterate Israel. But there are Israelis who say the same thing about Muslims. And the number of people Israel has killed since its existence outnumber the Israelis killed by a considerable margin.
For those of you who throw the term "Zionist" around indiscriminately: you are not using all of your thinking faculties. The Bush Administration is unduly influenced by certain neocons, signatories to PNAC, some of whom are Jewish. But that's the Bush Administration. All administrations since Israel was created in 1948 have tended to side with Israel, but that's not the same as saying that Zionists control our government, much less the world.
One Jew: care to offer any proof that "[by invading Iraq] US has disrupted strategic terror routes from Philippines to Kosovo and from Chechnya to Somalia."?
I don't think so. The Mideast is considerably more chaotic than in 2003. Bush's policies have been a disaster and founded on a chimera.
July 25th, 2006 at 7:32 pmPoetic Justice Theatre Poetic Justice Theatre
July 25th, 2006 at 8:10 pmTruly shocking. To hear a politician tell the truth.
July 25th, 2006 at 8:19 pmWolfdaughter........some interesting reading here.....http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011/$File/rwp_06_011_walt.pdf
July 25th, 2006 at 11:27 pmHas any administration in our history been so influenced by jews as this one? I am not anti-semetic. I'm one angry American. And my question is not a facetious one. Chief of Staff Bolten is Jewish. Probably ninety-eight percent of the neocons in the first term were jewish. Some have been sacked and moved on to other jobs (World Bank president, etc). Another has been indicted in the Plame case. And the centerfold is, of course, IRAQ. One wonders if any them registered with the Justice Department as agents of a foreign government.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:38 amWolfdaughter
"Folks, as someone who was married to a Jewish man for 24 years...etc"
"married to a Jewish man for 24 years"
Mazaltov!!!
"I respect a great deal of the Jewish heritage"
That does not make you jewish, does it?
"However, I think Israel has overreacted in this instance"
You are free to make your own mistakes.
"how these terms are applied depends very much on the viewpoint of those applying them"
Right. So, there is a law, there are those who brake it, there are those who kill people that are called killers and there are those who kill people but also blabber something about why they kill people. The latter are terrorists.
That’s all there is to it. Take it or stay confused.
"Bombing civilian airports and…"
You sound like professional military officer. You should be in charge of military operations, really. Did you ever try? It is still not late in your age. Enlist and show how it should be done. Right, Ho Chi Minh?
"All parties here have blood on their hands."
You truly are confused, not to say more… Do you make a moral equivalent between US government and Alq-Ida? Maybe general Klark and president Milosovich?
"But there are Israelis who say the same thing about Muslims."
G, yet again – Do you make a political equivalent between some extremists living in Israel with ELECTED presidents of Iran and Malaysia?
"The Mideast is considerably more chaotic than in 2003"
Yet again, everyone has a right to be wrong. It’s called democracy.
"Bush’s policies have been a disaster and founded on a chimera."
That is your only true motivation. Get over it. We (US citizens) have Condy for the next 8 years and then Jeff for another 8 years. You stay where you are and you’ll spend another 16 years of your life in intellectual disarray and misery.
"One Jew: care to offer any proof that “[by invading Iraq] US has disrupted strategic terror routes from Philippines to Kosovo and from Chechnya to Somalia.“?"
Well, it 2 questions. What proof do you want first: that routes have existed or that US military have disrupted the routes?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:48 am[...] Hartmann begins this show interviewing Sen. Byron Dorgan, who is promoting his new book, Take This Job and Ship It: How Corporate Greed and Brain-Dead Politics Are Selling Out America (Daily Kos reviews it here.) Thom refers to a psychological profile prepared by the OSS of Hitler, then discusses a new poll that shows that more Americans think there were Iraq WMDs, especially in light of claims made by Santorum and Hoekstra. Refers to comments by Iraq’s equivalent to the Speaker of the House. Thom refers to this story. Thom takes some calls including Will in Lansing, Mich., who calls to argue about Thom’s analogy to Hitler’s “Big Lie” and Carolyn from Tempi, Ariz., who called to discuss a Code Pink effort to bring Iraqis to America. Thom refers to this story about testimony that claims some soldiers were under order to kill all military-age males. Thom closes the hour noting that he’ll broadcast live July 28 from Grand Rapids, Mich., WTKG and that he’ll be emceeing an event with President Bill Clinton and Congressman Jim Mcdermott July 31. Mcdermott is Thom’s guest at the top of next hour to discuss the ongoing legal case McDermott v Boehner, the subject of the program July 31 in Seattle. Next guest is Victoria Jones of Talk Radio News Service to talk about the “Press Availability” event with Bush and Iraqi PM Maliki. Activism Alert: Contact your legislators about a deal Bush has cut with India over nuclear technology. Caller Charlie of Freeport, Pa. says the Bush administration is to blame for what’s going on in the Middle East because Ariel Sharon warned them not to push for elections for the Palestineans because Hamas would be elected and neither the United States nor Israel will deal with Hamas, but that we sent Rice over to push for elections anyway. Thom commented that the neocons don’t understand that democracy can’t be fostered without a middle class. Thom interviews John McNally, author of America’s Report Card: A Novel. Next, Thom’s wrapup of the occupation of Iraq. He again refers to the comments by speaker of the Iraqi parliament Mahmoud al-Mashhadani and to this story. [...]
July 26th, 2006 at 1:57 pmHow is it then that so many in the Republican Party support Bush's "just and noble" war when the puppet government he (and they) installed has turned against the United States by supporting Hezbollah and denouncing Israel?
Now, Bush and his blindly loyal followers are going to sell this snake oil to the American people this November and expect everyone to believe the Iraqis are a democracy?
Clearly, with 100 peope per day being killed in the streets of Baghdad and other cities throughtout Iraq for the months of May and June and over 6,000 killed since the beginning of the year, anyone with a half a brain can see this is not democracy -- it's almost total anarchy.
Soon, the Maliki government will demand that we leave whether Bush likes it or not. As far as most Americans are concerned, the sooner the better for what's left of our credibility. Why waste another American life in this desert hellhole?
July 26th, 2006 at 3:00 pmObviously, it has happened again. The media(CNN/MSNBC/definitely FOX have twisted this whole conflict into the WAR vs TERROR.
The war is against Israel and their oppression of the Palestinian cause and its people.
The United States is being "duped" again just like IRAQ with weapons of Mass Destruction.
WAKE UP USA? READ YOUR FOREIGN NEWSPAPERS!!! WHy do you think WORLD OPINION is not with the UNITED STATES. Because they are not so afraid of certain lobbys(I wonder who)and their votes and tell their people the TRUTH.
The US Media constantly gives one side only, we even get to see an Israeil army battery and how they fire their weapons(are you kidding me!). Who are they going to kill today, DADDY, more UN people?
AS far as this 1559 resolution, it has only been in effect for 2 years. There was a similar resolution asking Israel not to occupy Lebanon and it took Israel 18 YEARS
to leave Lebanon.
Why is it OK for one resolution to take 18 years and the other to take 2?
Oh, and it is a violation of INTERNATIONAL LAW(which Israel seems to think does not apply to them) to use weapons furnished by a superpower(US of course, no one else wants to get "sucked in" to another World War by the "eternal victims") , and use them to kill CIVILIANS.
DO NOT WATCH CNN/MSNBC/FOX,etc. THEY Know what thery are doing?
July 26th, 2006 at 8:45 pmGet on the Internet and read what "other' countries are saying about this so-called WAR on TERROR.
I don't know why the webmaster of this blog allows vicious anti-Semites, or if you prefer, Jew-haters or Nazis, to post here. I thought this was a progressive site! It's one thing to criticize Israeli policies, quite another to spread lies like the Jews control the media or the US government or that there is a distinction between" Jewish" and "American". I am Jewish and American and proud of being both and there is no more contradictiom between being these and between "WASP" and American.
July 27th, 2006 at 12:39 pmHello Chosen Person
Did you check out the "progressive" posting of One J** on July 26th
Why did the person even have to use that as their "name".
Please direct your inflammatory racist remarks to that person.
And FYI, there are many proud Americans of German heritage, who find this
constant Nazi assimilaton totally disgusting,irrelevant, and racist. It is just as
racist and hateful to use Nazi as the N word is to African Americans.
Leave the Nationalities(many who died) that liberated your people from the
last war alone, OK. If anything you should humble youself in front of every
(German,Irish,Polish,Italian,etc)-American who fought in World War
II. Instead you call us Nazi's,WASPS,etc. THANKS ALOT!!!!!
Also notice that this posting does not contain any racist slurs or names
July 27th, 2006 at 3:32 pmtowards the Jewish-American. Why could you not post without the same?
I did NOT use the term "Nazi" as a slur against Germans but rather as a synonym for "Jew-hater." I acknowledge the many brave Germans who gave their lives in the struggle against Hitler. I have absolutely no feelings against Germans, WASPS or anyone, only against those who hate Jews. Indeed, Nazis don't have to be Germans; they can be anyone who adopts an ignorant, hateful attitude towards Jews. You also didn't get my point about how hateful it is to point out some Jews who have positions of some importance as if that means they're part of a conspiracy. If you don't view WASPs who have positions of importance, like Bush and Cheney, as being part of a WASP conspiracy to rule America, then you can't view Jews who have important positions as part of a Jewish conspiracy. If you do, then you're a racist. By the way, my father was a veteran and I'm proud of him. too.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:03 pmHey Chosen
Thanks for your response. WASP is still a slur, dont you think?
It implies race and religion!!!
Are not most Jewish-Americans in favor of Bush's
stance on the war in the Mideast! Which is hard to believe since Jewish-Americans have always been a solid Democratic bloc.
Please tell me otherwise and I will cease and desist.
The 24 hour news networks all show the current administration, army leaders,pundits side-by-side with Jewish Prime Ministers(current and previous), Jewish army leaders,etc. That scares alot of Americans today.
All Americans,including me, do not want to see anyone innocent hurt on both sides, but there is so much Pro-War being promulgated by the media. WHY? America has lost enough men fighting for its freedoms.
Thank you for acknowledging the service of your father and mine. Incidentally, my mom served in the Waves so she is a veteran as well! I am very proud of both of them. Thank you also for recognizing all the Germans that fought to win the wars as well.
Isnt it amazing what dialogue can do, Maybe the world leaders should take our lead
July 27th, 2006 at 7:59 pmTo Proud Son;
Thank YOU for your thoughtful reply. I wish world leaders would take our lead.
I can't be sure whether most Jews support the Iraq war but I know as a matter of fact that many do not. Michael Lerner and the progressive Tikkum Magazine group that he leads is very much opposed to the war and is often very critical of Israeli policies. I've heard it said that he or his followers have actually suggested that Israelis should consider giving up Israel for the cause of peace and for their own safety and emigrate to the US, though that certaionly is not his official position. On the other side, the ultra-ultra Orthodox Satmar Chasidic group hates Israel almost as much as Hamas, calling it an abomination as it was founded by "atheist" Zionists and not by the Messiah as the Torah says it will be. Satmar speakers have appeared on the same platform as El Fatah speakers. I myself would never have voted Likud if I lived in Israel as I don't believe a constant hard line approach can work and because Israel must give up control of the occupied territories if peace can ever come about.
I did support the Iraq war originally because I believed Bush when he said that Saddam had WMD since Clinton supposedly had said pretty much the same thing (so much for the myth that Jews are smarter than everyone else!) Now, since I, along with most everyone else who has sense, have realized that Bush either lied to get us in or at best was grossly incompetent, I am opposed to continuing it and want us to get out ASAP if that can be done without causing even more damage. I know many other Jews who feel the same.
I think it's also quite clear that the Iraq war has hurt Israel since a good argument could be made that the Hamas electoral victory and the current Lebanese war are due to the instability that the Iraq war has caused. In any event, if the purpose behind the US going into Iraq was to help Israel, it sure as hell didn't work and I don't believe Jews could be that dumb!
July 28th, 2006 at 11:54 am[...] “I personally think whoever kills an American soldier in defense of his country would have a statue built for him in that country.” – Mahmoud al-Mashhadani again, as quoted by Think Progress, July 25, 2006. [...]
July 28th, 2006 at 12:49 pmTo CHOSEN
How come we never hear of Michael Lerner and TIKKUM? I am learning there are serious divides between Jewish public opinion. We just do not get that thru
the American mainstream media. Why is that?
Are people like Michael Lerner suppressed in expressing his or TIKKUM's point of view.? Incredible, since I thought we were the land of free speech!!! I will definitely check out Mr. Lerner's website.
Yes I am passionate about this subject as I wish more people were, I just do not like to see the horrors of any war, past or present. If anything ,Americans have never been invaded by a country's air force, so most of them should keep their SUV parked in the driveway, walk more, and protest against any war....!!!!!!
Incidentally, I live and work in a big city and walk as much as I can. I refuse to contribute to our need for foreign oil so I sold my car!!!
That is it for my questions. Thanks for answering them and helping to move
July 28th, 2006 at 10:13 pmthis blog in the progressive direction.
Keep an eye on bar codes for goods made in Israel:
Israel's country prefix is 729.
BOYCOTT ANYTHING MADE IN ISRAEL!!!
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