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By: Too Pretty to Post

Too Pretty to Post — Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:17:48 +0000

If anyone has time to read a really interesting book, please check out Herman Daly’s “Beyond Growth”. It will turn your economic logic on it’s head. Here’s a link (through amazon, just giving an amazon link because it has product descriptions and comments):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0807047090/sr=1-1/qid=1154110798/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-5215943-2287124?ie=UTF8&s=books

Regarding Animal Farm, the thing that I thought was interesting is when the leaders of the common man get in power and start to resemble the people that former enslaved them. It’s a great analogy not only for the R’s but the D’s. Give concentrated power to either, or any group, and the leaders of “the common man” start to resemble the exploiters over time.

Oh, another great book to check out, if anyone is interested is, is Daniel Guerin’s “Anarchism: From Theory to Practice”. Another book to help you think outside the box:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0853451753/sr=1-1/qid=1154110737/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-5215943-2287124?ie=UTF8&s=books

By: cheryl

cheryl — Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:22:51 +0000

I love the comment about the nation resembling Animal FArm by George Orwell. It sure does. The pigs (Republicans) Napolean (lead pig-Bush) Squealer (propoganda spreader-Snow) and how the pigs use the animals, lie about the actual state of the farm and on and on and on-this book is a classic read!!! I highly recommend it!!! As far as what is going on with energy companies making windfall record profits-Bush, Cheney and Rummie all have their fingers in the pot!!! They are making tons of money and will all be on boards of these crooked companies when they’re done wrecking America-a revolution needs to happen to change things and it needs to happen on this soil. To begin with we need to take back Congress as Democrats and show we are tough by impeaching the monsters who are running this country!!!!!

By: Charlotte Sterling

Charlotte Sterling — Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:23:03 +0000

Interesting comments. It is obscene that BIG OIL is making a ‘killing’ [pun intended] at the pump! These resources are finite, or at least require millions of years for new production… I would be willing to pay more at the pump if I also got free health care like some European consumers get! Ideally, it would be great to be able to conserve and not drive as much: ride bikes, walk or take public transportation.

I would be willing to pay more [if I was making more than my hourly of 9.00], if I knew the additional monies were being directed towards: R&D, renewable resources, and, certainly, towards fuel efficient cars and/or different fuel and energy sources; and, also towards the creation of a national fund from some of those excess profits – for a true nationwide mass transit system, including light rail or???

However, as it stands now in our country, with no regulations, no rules and no oversight – why should BIG OIL be bothered with research, or paying back in to the system, like individual Americans do every year with TAXES… “Taxes” the ugly 5- letter obscenity. No one likes having to pay taxes, myself included – however, every year when I get my 1040 booklet I am so NOT amused to see my portion of the Tax Pie is much larger than the corporate slice!

Of course, all of these ideas are dependent upon an Administration who truly believes “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain…”

When you have a vacuum instead of leadership, when there truly is NO moral compass to guide our country, you have what we now have…and it will only get worse before it gets better.

I do wonder when “We the people” will start revolting.

But it’s a relief to see that there are so many thoughtful people out “there”! Too bad they’re not running this country!

By: Not- so Rich

Not- so Rich — Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:28:18 +0000

Zeb totally misreads oil company history. And math. You start with the obscene, unjustifiable profits (American companies), and work your math backwards from there. Not capitalists– just blind, mindless thieves.

By: tom baker

tom baker — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:05:49 +0000

Zeb’s right – those poor, poor oilmen can hardly make it in this man’s world – we should all chip in and pay the bill (like we’re not already) for their fancy-pants sissy party. Those record profits we read about in the paper are a Liberal myth – by the time those poor, handsome, macho oilmen get done paying Hillary Clinton’s welafare bill, they’ve got nothing left over at all. It’s just like the movie “Giant”! and I’m wet in the panties thinking of all those powerful, rich, manly oil guys in their handsome suits at the big, big party. Gee, I wish I could be just like them.

“Mr. Barnum, meet Mr. Zeb; Mr. Zeb, Mr. Barnum – you two got have a heckuva time together”

What a rube!

By: chowbug

chowbug — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:32:19 +0000

I saw $3.72 in Los Angeles the other day. All of these profits must be expensive.

By: zeb

zeb — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:46:27 +0000

Assuming that you actually use something that isn’t windows, we have at least one thing in common…

By: Too Pretty to Post

Too Pretty to Post — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:42:59 +0000

My grammar was a little off in the last post but my points stand.

By: Too Pretty to Post

Too Pretty to Post — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:39:08 +0000

ZED:

You say that if we consume less fuel prices will go down. Since the companies are oligopolies, that tend to work with one another much more than compete, IS NOT standard economic logic. They determine the prices we pay; it has nothing to do with demand. You COULD say that prices are going up because oil is a finite resource and is become scarcer as time goes by, but demand has nothing to do with it. (By the way, I appreciate your links on corporate welfare; this is by no means just about oil companies)

Regarding the media, you have no argument from me. I won’t bother articulating why, we seem to be on the same page there.

About Microsoft: I’m a proponent of the open source movement and the socialization of knowledge. Patents, monopolies and privatizing knowledge hinder real development and progress. I think grants should be awarded for innovation and discoveries, but the knowledge or invention should then be open for public use. If it were, people that don’t have access to knowledge currently could improve on the breakthroughs.

For reference I would have you look at the Cuban medical system. As a result of the socialization of knowledge, medical breakthroughs happen at rates three times faster than in countries that privatize the knowledge in the medical field.

By: zeb

zeb — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:10:14 +0000

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By: zeb

zeb — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:05:56 +0000

Too pretty, I assume you’re talking to me. The fact that You’ve misspelled my name wrong three times in one post has spurred me to add just one more comment. First off, if you put it that way, Microsoft is a monopoly and most of the media makes up an oligarchy as well. I already knew this. You’re missing my points completely.

#1 The fact stands that if we consume less fuel the prices will fall in order to create more profits for crude oil suppliers. That is basic economics.
#2 The media is lynching big oil over these tax breaks. Have you actually looked at how much they’re getting?

I agree that tax releif for big corporations is bull. What I’m trying to say here is that it’s nothing new and certainly not exclusive to oil refineries.

By: Too Pretty to Post

Too Pretty to Post — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:49:19 +0000

By the way, could some of you environmentalists please tell me why: 1. Gas SHOULD be cheap. If it’s cheap it will be used more, making global warming worse. I understand that there are no alternatives for some, but that means that you should get to work starting a local group to push for alternative fuels and better public transportation. Voting for Democrats that aren’t just as determined to push for alternative fuels and public transportation, as quickly as possible, and just voting for those who will lower gas prices makes little sense in the long term. 2. Why you support economic growth. Is economic growth itself not as environmentally destructive as oil and CO2 emissions? I find it ironic that Henry Waxman, who I agree with in a decent amount of issues, says he wants to improve the environment (which he does in some cases like CO2 emissions) but then talks about how great economic growth is. It’s not ideologically consistent and I would argue that growth itself is just as bad as CO2 emissions.

By: aarfriggin.com » The Obscene Profits of Big Oil

aarfriggin.com » The Obscene Profits of Big Oil — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:45:49 +0000

[...] Obscene oil profits. What’s gasoline costing in your neighborhood? Iraq: Certainly not fought for oil. “There’s a lot less oil flowing now and a lot more blood flowing…” Should the oil companies pick up the war tab for a month as a thank you? Meanwhile, much of those profits are going to the Arab oil producers. The White House is celebrating the one-year anniversary of Cheney’s Energy Bill. Iraq produces 3 million barrels a day of oil but is capable of much more. Tax breaks in a time of war for something that’s a national security issue? WP article, ‘Waiting to Get Blown Up’: Some Troops in Baghdad Express Frustration With the War and Their Mission [...]

By: Too Pretty to Post

Too Pretty to Post — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:38:15 +0000

This country was built to use gas, lobbied way back when by the oil and auto companies. That’s why we dismantled our public transportation system, created the Interstate Highway Bill and suburbia. It, like most everything else, had NOTHING to do with the “free market”. The “free market” existed for about 40 years in the 19th century and nothing since is anything close to what they teach in economics classes. It is a tool used for rhetorical purposes. Why do we have computers? People like Jeb would say the “free market”, even though it was developed through the Pentagon, with OUR tax dollars, then turned over to corporations to be sold back to us…even though we paid for their creation. It’s the same with almost everything in our economy. Socialize costs (R&D, pollution, tax breaks and subsidies, etc) and privatize the benefits. THAT’S the “free market”.

Regarding oil, it is an oligopoly with a guaranteed fixed high demand. That is not capitalism Jeb, sorry to break it to you. The CEO of these companies have to work on certain qualative improvements but for the most part their profits are guaranteed. We should do as Venezuela has done, nationalize or expropriate the oil companies and use the revenues to fund renewable fuels research.

Jeb is not pro-capitalist, he pro-parasitic.