Comments on: “In the past two weeks, http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:50:46 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690659 Marie Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:25:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690659 #38 Thanks. I thought I might have heard incorrectly. In the past few minutes I was also told that they bombed ambulances transporting the wounded civilians. Israel's military and armament is reportedly precise and among the best (much of it is ours) yet, they are saying that the UN building was hit by stray artillery. I am not a munitions expert, of course, but can artillery destroy a building to the extent that the building was destroyed - or does that kind of destruction require bombs or missiles? Just asking. #38
Thanks. I thought I might have heard incorrectly. In the past few minutes I was also told that they bombed ambulances transporting the wounded civilians.
Israel’s military and armament is reportedly precise and among the best (much of it is ours) yet, they are saying that the UN building was hit by stray artillery. I am not a munitions expert, of course, but can artillery destroy a building to the extent that the building was destroyed – or does that kind of destruction require bombs or missiles?
Just asking.

]]> By: Gay Bear http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690642 Gay Bear Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:14:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690642 Yet, Bush doesn't believe in murder. Yet, Bush doesn’t believe in murder.

]]> By: piltdown http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690530 piltdown Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:17:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690530 Marie, not only did they bomb the roads, but they bombed the cars LEAVING on those roads. By telling the people to evacuate the cities, they're just making them easier to shoot on the roads. Marie, not only did they bomb the roads, but they bombed the cars LEAVING on those roads. By telling the people to evacuate the cities, they’re just making them easier to shoot on the roads.

]]> By: Hugo http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690518 Hugo Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:13:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690518 Joe, as i see, you just killed the messenger and ignored the message. Fair enought, as you said, you are old school and prefer violence over reason. "you can't reason with terrorrists, you moron!"..someone just scream as i hit the post button. Then i would say that, despite the rethoric, they are humans, they have brains exactly like ours, and so, if anyone tried to listen to them, maybe, just maybe, there could some common ground upon which a better world for the middle-east could be constructed. And from that point on i would be promoted/downgraded to terrorrist simpatizer status. Anyway, what amazes me is how people are capable of simplifing decades, centuries, perhaps thousands of years of history into no more than 2-3 sentences. And what is worst: finding comfort in this simplistic view for the mayhem and destruction being unleashed upon our brothers and sisters, our fellow <em>Homo sapiens</em> that made the unfortunate mistake of being born at the wrong places, in the wrong families at the wrong moment of history. I hope this ends before we start counting the deaths by the millions. Althought, as it is today, i doubt we can avoid this outcome. Joe, as i see, you just killed the messenger and ignored the message. Fair enought, as you said, you are old school and prefer violence over reason.

“you can’t reason with terrorrists, you moron!”..someone just scream as i hit the post button.

Then i would say that, despite the rethoric, they are humans, they have brains exactly like ours, and so, if anyone tried to listen to them, maybe, just maybe, there could some common ground upon which a better world for the middle-east could be constructed.

And from that point on i would be promoted/downgraded to terrorrist simpatizer status.

Anyway, what amazes me is how people are capable of simplifing decades, centuries, perhaps thousands of years of history into no more than 2-3 sentences. And what is worst: finding comfort in this simplistic view for the mayhem and destruction being unleashed upon our brothers and sisters, our fellow Homo sapiens that made the unfortunate mistake of being born at the wrong places, in the wrong families at the wrong moment of history.

I hope this ends before we start counting the deaths by the millions. Althought, as it is today, i doubt we can avoid this outcome.

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690475 Marie Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:58:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690475 Did I hear this correctly -- that Israel dropped leaflets in Lebanon warning civilians to get out, and then they bombed the roads? Did I hear this correctly — that Israel dropped leaflets in Lebanon warning civilians to get out, and then they bombed the roads?

]]> By: rickd http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690362 rickd Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:12:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690362 David B (34), Were it not for the fact that a great many Israelis have sought shelter in bomb shelters from the Hezbollah rockets, there would be far more Israeli deaths. Why not talk about the number of rockets fired versus numbers killed. As I stated to Jay, the Hezbollah cowards are using the civilians as shields. If they had any courage at all, they'd do like the IDF, get out in the battlefield and fight. Do you not understand that Hezbollah is receiving it's "aid" from Syria and Iran? If Israel were to not have assistance from someone like the US and Hezbollah continued to be armed by Syria and Iran, they would carry out Iran's president's wish, and wipe Israel off the map. I believe Secretary of State Rice stated a new Middle East is necessary, that there can be no return to the status quo of political uncertainty and instability. This change is only going to happen when all parties agree to it. Unfortunately with Islamic fascism running rampant over there, that agreement may not be forthcoming any time soon. David B (34),

Were it not for the fact that a great many Israelis have sought shelter in bomb shelters from the Hezbollah rockets, there would be far more Israeli deaths. Why not talk about the number of rockets fired versus numbers killed. As I stated to Jay, the Hezbollah cowards are using the civilians as shields. If they had any courage at all, they’d do like the IDF, get out in the battlefield and fight.

Do you not understand that Hezbollah is receiving it’s “aid” from Syria and Iran? If Israel were to not have assistance from someone like the US and Hezbollah continued to be armed by Syria and Iran, they would carry out Iran’s president’s wish, and wipe Israel off the map.

I believe Secretary of State Rice stated a new Middle East is necessary, that there can be no return to the status quo of political uncertainty and instability. This change is only going to happen when all parties agree to it. Unfortunately with Islamic fascism running rampant over there, that agreement may not be forthcoming any time soon.

]]> By: David B http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690327 David B Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:58:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690327 Joe, Some of us are tired of sending $10 billion in aide to Israel for 60 years only to watch Lebanese civilians, all Sunni Arabs only, get the crap kicked out of them. While you make points about hezbollah pointing missles at civilian targets, you turn around and state that the Israels are not slaughtering anyone. Well, 12 to 14 compared to over 420 seems a bit one-sided to me, I don't know what number you use to define a slaughter. The Israels, Lebanese, and Palistinians all deserve a homeland where the can live in peace. Until the US examines and redefines its relations with Israel and begins to support the Arabs as equals to the Israels, peace will not come. Oh, and yes, there will continue to be terriorists are the doorstep of America. Joe,
Some of us are tired of sending $10 billion in aide to Israel for 60 years only to watch Lebanese civilians, all Sunni Arabs only, get the crap kicked out of them. While you make points about hezbollah pointing missles at civilian targets, you turn around and state that the Israels are not slaughtering anyone. Well, 12 to 14 compared to over 420 seems a bit one-sided to me, I don’t know what number you use to define a slaughter. The Israels, Lebanese, and Palistinians all deserve a homeland where the can live in peace. Until the US examines and redefines its relations with Israel and begins to support the Arabs as equals to the Israels, peace will not come. Oh, and yes, there will continue to be terriorists are the doorstep of America.

]]> By: David B http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690299 David B Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:46:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690299 "They're just numbers." - Tony Snow “They’re just numbers.” – Tony Snow

]]> By: rickd http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690272 rickd Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:27:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690272 Jay, Does it concern you at all that Hezbollah is locating their rocket launchers amongst the civilian population? Do you condem that type of behaviour? If someone is firing rockets from the backyard of a civilian area, and the other side must eliminate that threat, then civilians may well be killed and injured. You will note the Israeli army is NOT hiding among the civilian populations yet the Hezbollah is firing its rockets into civilian areas within Israel. Either their (Hezbollah) has very poor aim or they are trying to kill civilians on purpose, rather than civilians being killed because their enemy combatants are amongst them. Jay,
Does it concern you at all that Hezbollah is locating their rocket launchers amongst the civilian population? Do you condem that type of behaviour? If someone is firing rockets from the backyard of a civilian area, and the other side must eliminate that threat, then civilians may well be killed and injured. You will note the Israeli army is NOT hiding among the civilian populations yet the Hezbollah is firing its rockets into civilian areas within Israel. Either their (Hezbollah) has very poor aim or they are trying to kill civilians on purpose, rather than civilians being killed because their enemy combatants are amongst them.

]]> By: ******* http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690241 ******* Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:13:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690241 *the Joe Sixpack moniker has been stolen, this is not him but a dopey troll.*pathetic *the Joe Sixpack moniker has been stolen, this is not him but a dopey troll.*pathetic

]]> By: Joe Sixpack http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690205 Joe Sixpack Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:00:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690205 <em>how would you like the Canadians or Mexicans dropping leaflets on your house, telling you to leave immediately, and then dropping bombs on your car as you try to flee? Targeting civilians is a WAR CRIME, and that is what Israel is doing to the Lebanese</em>! Comment by Jay Randal Well, Jay, if my next door neighbors were the KKK and I knew it, and the KKK had been attacking and killing Mexican soldiers and taking them prisoner, I think I just might haul my ass out of here! I have not seen ANY proof that Israel is targeting civilians except on Arab TV----but of course, the terrorists ARE civilians if you want to count them. how would you like the Canadians or Mexicans dropping leaflets on your house, telling you to leave immediately, and then dropping bombs on your car as you try to flee? Targeting civilians is a WAR CRIME, and that is what Israel is doing to the Lebanese!
Comment by Jay Randal

Well, Jay, if my next door neighbors were the KKK and I knew it, and the KKK had been attacking and killing Mexican soldiers and taking them prisoner, I think I just might haul my ass out of here!

I have not seen ANY proof that Israel is targeting civilians except on Arab TV—-but of course, the terrorists ARE civilians if you want to count them.

]]> By: Joe Sixpack http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690177 Joe Sixpack Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:50:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690177 <em>Joe, some insight if you will: http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=9407 As for the rest, the ethinc cleansing of the arab population is working according to schedule</em>. Comment by Hugo I read that article, Hugo, and thanks for posting it. It was hard to stomach considering it was from the Laura Ingraham show. Still, it was written by Jonathan Cook so I read it. Its all piss and vinegar: Israel should sit down and negotiate with terrorist groups. Israel should do tit for tat instead of fighting back. Sorry, all who might disagree. I am old school. If someone keeps picking on you and then kicks you in the balls, its time to kick some ass. Joe, some insight if you will:
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=9407
As for the rest, the ethinc cleansing of the arab population is working according to schedule.
Comment by Hugo

I read that article, Hugo, and thanks for posting it. It was hard to stomach considering it was from the Laura Ingraham show. Still, it was written by Jonathan Cook so I read it. Its all piss and vinegar: Israel should sit down and negotiate with terrorist groups. Israel should do tit for tat instead of fighting back.

Sorry, all who might disagree. I am old school. If someone keeps picking on you and then kicks you in the balls, its time to kick some ass.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690169 Jay Randal Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:48:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690169 Joe > how would you like the Canadians or Mexicans dropping leaflets on your house, telling you to leave immediately, and then dropping bombs on your car as you try to flee? Targeting civilians is a WAR CRIME, and that is what Israel is doing to the Lebanese! Hezbollah's actions were a provocation, but Israel used that as an excuse to destroy the entire nation of Lebanon > that is disproportionate use of military force! Joe > how would you like the Canadians or Mexicans dropping leaflets on your house, telling you to leave immediately, and then dropping bombs on your car as you try to flee? Targeting civilians is a WAR CRIME, and that is what Israel is doing to the Lebanese! Hezbollah’s actions were a provocation, but Israel used that as an excuse to destroy the entire nation of Lebanon > that is disproportionate use of military force!

]]> By: Joe Sixpack http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690128 Joe Sixpack Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:37:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690128 <em>Israel has been planning this attack on Lebanon for months and just needed an excuse! </em> Comment by Jay Randal I don't think of myself as an apologist for Israel. But I do think they get the short end of the stick everytime by the cowardly governments in the world who are afraid to back them when they are right because of a muslim backlash. I don't think the Israelis are <em>slaughtering</em> anyone. They dropped warning leaflets before they attacked to clear the area of civilians. They should have hauled ass instead of standing there in front of the news cameras, laughing while tearing them up. By the way, don't you seriously think Hezbollah has ALSO been planning an attack on Israel and used the Hamas kidnapping as an excuse to throw wood on the fire? Of course they did. They don't want peace, they want the peace process finished. Well, they are getting just what they wished for. Maybe when its over the country of Lebanon and its people will reign in this hate-filled group that they have allowed to control and intimidate their government. Shalom. Israel has been planning this attack on Lebanon for months and just needed an excuse!
Comment by Jay Randal

I don’t think of myself as an apologist for Israel. But I do think they get the short end of the stick everytime by the cowardly governments in the world who are afraid to back them when they are right because of a muslim backlash. I don’t think the Israelis are slaughtering anyone. They dropped warning leaflets before they attacked to clear the area of civilians. They should have hauled ass instead of standing there in front of the news cameras, laughing while tearing them up.

By the way, don’t you seriously think Hezbollah has ALSO been planning an attack on Israel and used the Hamas kidnapping as an excuse to throw wood on the fire? Of course they did. They don’t want peace, they want the peace process finished.

Well, they are getting just what they wished for. Maybe when its over the country of Lebanon and its people will reign in this hate-filled group that they have allowed to control and intimidate their government.

Shalom.

]]> By: Hugo http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690084 Hugo Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:20:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690084 Joe, some insight if you will: http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=9407 As for the rest, the ethinc cleansing of the arab population is working according to schedule. Joe, some insight if you will:

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cook.php?articleid=9407

As for the rest, the ethinc cleansing of the arab population is working according to schedule.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690072 Jay Randal Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:14:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690072 Post 23 Joe > We all know you are a Zionist apologist and agent! Israel is slaughtering hundreds of Lebanese civilians > my post was not about Hezbollah's actions! Israel has been planning this attack on Lebanon for months and just needed an excuse! Post 23 Joe > We all know you are a Zionist apologist and agent! Israel is slaughtering hundreds of Lebanese civilians > my post was not about Hezbollah’s actions! Israel has been planning this attack on Lebanon for months and just needed an excuse!

]]> By: jules http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690065 jules Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:11:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690065 I read a quote today that should have been prophetic for this war in Iraq: "Vietnam presumably taught us that the United States could not serve as the world's policeman; it should also have taught us the dangers of trying to be the world's midwife to democracy when the birth is scheduled to take place under conditions of guerilla war." Sad...the quote was from 1979...too bad Bush never studied history! I read a quote today that should have been prophetic for this war in Iraq:

“Vietnam presumably taught us that the United States could not serve as the world’s policeman; it should also have taught us the dangers of trying to be the world’s midwife to democracy when the birth is scheduled to take place under conditions of guerilla war.”

Sad…the quote was from 1979…too bad Bush never studied history!

]]> By: Joe Sixpack http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690062 Joe Sixpack Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:11:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690062 <em>The Israeli assault on the civilians of Lebanon is one of the most vile war crimes ever perpetrated, since the end of W.W.II, so Israel’s actions must be condemned!</em> ( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Stone Mountain, Georgia.) Comment by Jay Randal I must be following the wrong news channels, Jay. I thought it was the Hezbollah terrorists who started this mess with an assault INSIDE the borders of Israel, resulting in the deaths of 8 soldiers and kidnapping of 2 others----following years of scattered rocket attacks on Israeli civilians ment solely to inflict terror on women and children. (Joe Sixpack, political BSer and note taker from parts unknown.) The Israeli assault on the civilians of Lebanon is one of the most vile war crimes ever perpetrated, since the end of W.W.II, so Israel’s actions must be condemned!
( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Stone Mountain, Georgia.)

Comment by Jay Randal

I must be following the wrong news channels, Jay. I thought it was the Hezbollah terrorists who started this mess with an assault INSIDE the borders of Israel, resulting in the deaths of 8 soldiers and kidnapping of 2 others—-following years of scattered rocket attacks on Israeli civilians ment solely to inflict terror on women and children.

(Joe Sixpack, political BSer and note taker from parts unknown.)

]]> By: anotherrightwinger http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690051 anotherrightwinger Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:06:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690051 <em>DieNowForPeace & james risser,</em> You both know that TP does not want to hear the truth! they just want posting to stir the pot a little! DieNowForPeace & james risser,

You both know that TP does not want to hear the truth! they just want posting to stir the pot a little!

]]> By: Bushhater http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/comment-page-1/#comment-690029 Bushhater Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:00:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/in-the-past-two-weeks/#comment-690029 The Israeli/Lebanese conflict makes an excellent diversion from Iraq....how convenient. The Israeli/Lebanese conflict makes an excellent diversion from Iraq….how convenient.

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