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	<title>Comments on: Right-Wing &#8216;Guide to World War III&#8217;: &#8216;Kill &#8216;Em All, Let Allah Sort &#8216;Em Out&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: ScrewProgs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-747022</link>
		<dc:creator>ScrewProgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neocon, you forgot one thing, and this is in response to the post by Jason Baddo above:

toss a hand grenade into any meeting of progsâ€¦â€¦â€ kill em all, let god sort â€˜em outâ€.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neocon, you forgot one thing, and this is in response to the post by Jason Baddo above:</p>
<p>toss a hand grenade into any meeting of progsâ€¦â€¦â€ kill em all, let god sort â€˜em outâ€.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=747022', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: NEOCON</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-730136</link>
		<dc:creator>NEOCON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the posts on this site for several months there seems to be some consistency as to the feelings of the â€œbloggersâ€........let me summarize......because somewhere in my following list you (yes, you the wacko â€œprogressiveâ€) will find an answer to ALL of the problems that America faces todayâ€¦.or at least the person/persons that are responsible for such a miserable existence that we must trudge through in Americaâ€¦..America the damned!!! Each of the items below are just a snippet of what â€œthink progressâ€ stands forâ€¦.soâ€¦in your wordsâ€¦.

Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnateâ€¦

Fox News is Hitlerâ€™s SS version of propaganda...

The Democrats are waayyy too conservative and right-leaning....

The Republicans (gulp...I said the word Republicans) work for the Devil...

Lieberman is a Bush crony that never accomplished anything for the state of Connecticutâ€¦

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

The War in Iraq was certainly for the oil and making rich people richer!!!

Halliburton? Planning the war(s) for years before 9/11â€¦

9/11? Bush not only knew exactly what/where/when/howâ€¦..he helped to plan itâ€¦..

9/11? The towers were not taken down by airplanesâ€¦American C-4 explosives were strategically placed to â€œtake â€˜em downâ€â€¦.

Bush planted the C4â€¦along with the help of Cheney and Rumsfieldâ€¦

The War in Iraq was certainly a follow-up to papa Bushâ€¦.and his â€œfailureâ€ in removing Saddamâ€¦..

Terrorism is not that big of a dealâ€¦it should be monitored and controlled by our police agenciesâ€¦.not the governmentâ€¦.

OBL is not that bad....hell, America created him!!

Saddam is not the bad...hell, America created him!!

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not that badâ€¦.he does not want nukes for weaponsâ€¦its all about the fuel baby!!!

Problems in the Middle East...Americas fault...

Darfur? Bush and Cheney are not fully responsible for the genocide---but at least 78%....

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

Try to resolve the problems in the Middle East??---Why does America feel it should stick its nose in others business...

Israel...Americaâ€™s puppet....

Israel is the cause of most of the problems in the Middle Eastâ€¦.Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization---they were â€œelectedâ€ into a position of power in a democratic government!!!

America did the worse job of evacuating its citizens from Lebanonâ€¦Denmark did the bestâ€¦Denmark is #1!!! Denmark is #1!!!â€¦.

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

American flags are made for one purposeâ€¦.to burn!!!!!!!!

The primary run off in Ct proves that the American people want an immediate withdrawal from Iraqâ€¦.

AIDS in Africa killing scores? Bushâ€™s Faultâ€¦.well, maybe 82% responsibleâ€¦

Socialism #1â€¦Communism #2â€¦.Dictatorship #3â€¦Democracy #4â€¦as ranked by the bloggers on â€œThink Progressâ€ as best form of govtâ€¦.

Global Warming is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......

The short-comings of American schools...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......

The short-comings of Health-care....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......

Oil?....ever since man has been able to process it into a usable fuel....all the problems have been.....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......

Wal-mart=Capitalism=Bush cronies=Conservatives=devil

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

Mexican Immigration problem? No problemoâ€¦
Katrina?....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......not the response---the actual cause of the hurricane...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive

Katrinaâ€¦response to it?....Bush hates blacks.....itâ€™s that simple......did I mention Bush hates Mexicans, Canadians, French, Italians, Spaniards, Russians, Irish, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Aussies, Swedes, New Zealanders, anybody that might be of south American persuasion, anybody that might be a mix bred, anybody from Africa-even if they â€œlookâ€ white, and of courseâ€¦all Muslimsâ€¦.

Did I mention that according to this site that Bush hates gays? And wants them dead?

The economy----the worse itâ€™s been in the history of America----....is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......

International relations? well---before Bush we were loved from china to south America...but now---America is hated all around the world and we need to kowtow to the Europeans and Islam so they like usâ€¦..we want other people to like usâ€¦we really want other people to like usâ€¦â€¦â€¦please like usâ€¦..please?

Homeless problem in a city/town near you?...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦

Abortion is good (million+ innocents a year)â€¦Death penalty is Bad (handful of convicted criminals a year)â€¦.

(Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

Lines at the super-marketâ€¦.. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦

Howard Stern being fined for foul behavior/languageâ€¦. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦.

Katrina â€œevacueesâ€ in Houston or other cities committing hideous crimes?... a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦â€¦

Christian groups are bigots and things such as â€œfaith dayâ€ (at a ball park after the game) are nothing more than the radical rights attempt at â€œchristian-izingâ€ usâ€¦.

Americaâ€™s military is weak and the Draft is right around the cornerâ€¦

â€œGodâ€ should not be in the Pledgeâ€¦.

â€œGodâ€ should not be on our currencyâ€¦

â€œGodâ€ should not beâ€¦â€¦â€¦.

Cindy Sheehan should not be questioned nor debatedâ€¦..her son died for her right to hang out in Crawford dam it!!! 

America went to war unpreparedâ€¦.look at the hummers!! They have absolutely no armorâ€¦.and its Bushâ€™s faultâ€¦

Democrats and Republicans are all the sameâ€¦evilâ€¦out for themselvesâ€¦slave-masters (its in their family history)â€¦sex addictsâ€¦and of course out to kill Americans in a fake war that was based on purposely fraudulent intelligenceâ€¦

The (mass) media is covering up everything!!!
 
Good policing and investigative work is called---racial profiling!!!

â€œMinimum Wage should be at least $18.00 a hourâ€

â€œProgressiveâ€ reporters get kick out of all the neo-cons news briefingsâ€¦

â€œMy phones have been taped because I went to an anti-war rally!â€

â€œMy cable has been on the blink and my phone has been making weird noises since I went to a anti-war Rallyâ€

Anybody that makes money and lives a successful life MUST be doing something that hurts the poor or crippledâ€¦.

Taxes and more taxes are good for the economyâ€¦tax cuts/breaks only help the millionairesâ€¦

SUVâ€™s were created by conservatives that wanted to help out their â€œoil buddiesâ€â€¦

People should not be expected to take care of themselves!!! Thatâ€™s the role of governmentâ€¦

People should not be able to invest their social security account as they wish!! Thatâ€™s the role of the governmentâ€¦

If I forgot a topic or an issue please just fill it in with the followingâ€¦

â€œBLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA..BUSH IS THE DEVIL BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAAâ€¦REPUBLICANS ARE THE DEVILâ€¦ WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAAâ€¦AMERICA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLDâ€¦-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAAâ€¦â€


IN CONLUSION::::::

I have posted this because it addresses nearly all the issues that â€œthink progressâ€ and its bloggers believe/state/dream aboutâ€¦.in other words, this post can be placed on any of your blogs and it will make senseâ€¦â€¦thanks â€œthink progressâ€ bloggers for making this so easyâ€¦.if you think my post is foolishâ€¦.please remember---these are your words (with some editing liberties takenâ€¦oh I forgot---I should not mention anything about taking liberties)â€¦.dam America!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the posts on this site for several months there seems to be some consistency as to the feelings of the â€œbloggersâ€&#8230;&#8230;..let me summarize&#8230;&#8230;because somewhere in my following list you (yes, you the wacko â€œprogressiveâ€) will find an answer to ALL of the problems that America faces todayâ€¦.or at least the person/persons that are responsible for such a miserable existence that we must trudge through in Americaâ€¦..America the damned!!! Each of the items below are just a snippet of what â€œthink progressâ€ stands forâ€¦.soâ€¦in your wordsâ€¦.</p>
<p>Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnateâ€¦</p>
<p>Fox News is Hitlerâ€™s SS version of propaganda&#8230;</p>
<p>The Democrats are waayyy too conservative and right-leaning&#8230;.</p>
<p>The Republicans (gulp&#8230;I said the word Republicans) work for the Devil&#8230;</p>
<p>Lieberman is a Bush crony that never accomplished anything for the state of Connecticutâ€¦</p>
<p>Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>The War in Iraq was certainly for the oil and making rich people richer!!!</p>
<p>Halliburton? Planning the war(s) for years before 9/11â€¦</p>
<p>9/11? Bush not only knew exactly what/where/when/howâ€¦..he helped to plan itâ€¦..</p>
<p>9/11? The towers were not taken down by airplanesâ€¦American C-4 explosives were strategically placed to â€œtake â€˜em downâ€â€¦.</p>
<p>Bush planted the C4â€¦along with the help of Cheney and Rumsfieldâ€¦</p>
<p>The War in Iraq was certainly a follow-up to papa Bushâ€¦.and his â€œfailureâ€ in removing Saddamâ€¦..</p>
<p>Terrorism is not that big of a dealâ€¦it should be monitored and controlled by our police agenciesâ€¦.not the governmentâ€¦.</p>
<p>OBL is not that bad&#8230;.hell, America created him!!</p>
<p>Saddam is not the bad&#8230;hell, America created him!!</p>
<p>Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not that badâ€¦.he does not want nukes for weaponsâ€¦its all about the fuel baby!!!</p>
<p>Problems in the Middle East&#8230;Americas fault&#8230;</p>
<p>Darfur? Bush and Cheney are not fully responsible for the genocide&#8212;but at least 78%&#8230;.</p>
<p>Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>Try to resolve the problems in the Middle East??&#8212;Why does America feel it should stick its nose in others business&#8230;</p>
<p>Israel&#8230;Americaâ€™s puppet&#8230;.</p>
<p>Israel is the cause of most of the problems in the Middle Eastâ€¦.Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization&#8212;they were â€œelectedâ€ into a position of power in a democratic government!!!</p>
<p>America did the worse job of evacuating its citizens from Lebanonâ€¦Denmark did the bestâ€¦Denmark is #1!!! Denmark is #1!!!â€¦.</p>
<p>Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>American flags are made for one purposeâ€¦.to burn!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>The primary run off in Ct proves that the American people want an immediate withdrawal from Iraqâ€¦.</p>
<p>AIDS in Africa killing scores? Bushâ€™s Faultâ€¦.well, maybe 82% responsibleâ€¦</p>
<p>Socialism #1â€¦Communism #2â€¦.Dictatorship #3â€¦Democracy #4â€¦as ranked by the bloggers on â€œThink Progressâ€ as best form of govtâ€¦.</p>
<p>Global Warming is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>The short-comings of American schools&#8230;a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>The short-comings of Health-care&#8230;.a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Oil?&#8230;.ever since man has been able to process it into a usable fuel&#8230;.all the problems have been&#8230;..a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Wal-mart=Capitalism=Bush cronies=Conservatives=devil</p>
<p>Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>Mexican Immigration problem? No problemoâ€¦<br />
Katrina?&#8230;.a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;not the response&#8212;the actual cause of the hurricane&#8230;a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive</p>
<p>Katrinaâ€¦response to it?&#8230;.Bush hates blacks&#8230;..itâ€™s that simple&#8230;&#8230;did I mention Bush hates Mexicans, Canadians, French, Italians, Spaniards, Russians, Irish, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Aussies, Swedes, New Zealanders, anybody that might be of south American persuasion, anybody that might be a mix bred, anybody from Africa-even if they â€œlookâ€ white, and of courseâ€¦all Muslimsâ€¦.</p>
<p>Did I mention that according to this site that Bush hates gays? And wants them dead?</p>
<p>The economy&#8212;-the worse itâ€™s been in the history of America&#8212;-&#8230;.is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>International relations? well&#8212;before Bush we were loved from china to south America&#8230;but now&#8212;America is hated all around the world and we need to kowtow to the Europeans and Islam so they like usâ€¦..we want other people to like usâ€¦we really want other people to like usâ€¦â€¦â€¦please like usâ€¦..please?</p>
<p>Homeless problem in a city/town near you?&#8230;a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦</p>
<p>Abortion is good (million+ innocents a year)â€¦Death penalty is Bad (handful of convicted criminals a year)â€¦.</p>
<p>(Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>Lines at the super-marketâ€¦.. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦</p>
<p>Howard Stern being fined for foul behavior/languageâ€¦. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦.</p>
<p>Katrina â€œevacueesâ€ in Houston or other cities committing hideous crimes?&#8230; a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦â€¦</p>
<p>Christian groups are bigots and things such as â€œfaith dayâ€ (at a ball park after the game) are nothing more than the radical rights attempt at â€œchristian-izingâ€ usâ€¦.</p>
<p>Americaâ€™s military is weak and the Draft is right around the cornerâ€¦</p>
<p>â€œGodâ€ should not be in the Pledgeâ€¦.</p>
<p>â€œGodâ€ should not be on our currencyâ€¦</p>
<p>â€œGodâ€ should not beâ€¦â€¦â€¦.</p>
<p>Cindy Sheehan should not be questioned nor debatedâ€¦..her son died for her right to hang out in Crawford dam it!!! </p>
<p>America went to war unpreparedâ€¦.look at the hummers!! They have absolutely no armorâ€¦.and its Bushâ€™s faultâ€¦</p>
<p>Democrats and Republicans are all the sameâ€¦evilâ€¦out for themselvesâ€¦slave-masters (its in their family history)â€¦sex addictsâ€¦and of course out to kill Americans in a fake war that was based on purposely fraudulent intelligenceâ€¦</p>
<p>The (mass) media is covering up everything!!!</p>
<p>Good policing and investigative work is called&#8212;racial profiling!!!</p>
<p>â€œMinimum Wage should be at least $18.00 a hourâ€</p>
<p>â€œProgressiveâ€ reporters get kick out of all the neo-cons news briefingsâ€¦</p>
<p>â€œMy phones have been taped because I went to an anti-war rally!â€</p>
<p>â€œMy cable has been on the blink and my phone has been making weird noises since I went to a anti-war Rallyâ€</p>
<p>Anybody that makes money and lives a successful life MUST be doing something that hurts the poor or crippledâ€¦.</p>
<p>Taxes and more taxes are good for the economyâ€¦tax cuts/breaks only help the millionairesâ€¦</p>
<p>SUVâ€™s were created by conservatives that wanted to help out their â€œoil buddiesâ€â€¦</p>
<p>People should not be expected to take care of themselves!!! Thatâ€™s the role of governmentâ€¦</p>
<p>People should not be able to invest their social security account as they wish!! Thatâ€™s the role of the governmentâ€¦</p>
<p>If I forgot a topic or an issue please just fill it in with the followingâ€¦</p>
<p>â€œBLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA..BUSH IS THE DEVIL BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAAâ€¦REPUBLICANS ARE THE DEVILâ€¦ WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAAâ€¦AMERICA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLDâ€¦-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAAâ€¦â€</p>
<p>IN CONLUSION::::::</p>
<p>I have posted this because it addresses nearly all the issues that â€œthink progressâ€ and its bloggers believe/state/dream aboutâ€¦.in other words, this post can be placed on any of your blogs and it will make senseâ€¦â€¦thanks â€œthink progressâ€ bloggers for making this so easyâ€¦.if you think my post is foolishâ€¦.please remember&#8212;these are your words (with some editing liberties takenâ€¦oh I forgot&#8212;I should not mention anything about taking liberties)â€¦.dam America!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=730136', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Texas State</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-723782</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=723782', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Familybeenhere since1697!</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-723776</link>
		<dc:creator>Familybeenhere since1697!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Yelp! And the rest of the weak minded!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Yelp! And the rest of the weak minded!</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=723776', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Texas State</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-723775</link>
		<dc:creator>Texas State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was tht directed to #151?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was tht directed to #151?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=723775', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Familybeenhere since1697!</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-723762</link>
		<dc:creator>Familybeenhere since1697!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;# 152 Dealing with Hillybilly daughters of the trailer park like yourselves need to have one response. You&#039;ll get yours in the end and I&#039;m not talking about the end your used to. Bush supporters like you don&#039;t understand the man &quot;working&quot; in Crawford, TX.  This person setting on the White House throne doesn&#039;t like you, any more than I do. He&#039;s the elite and your not! Your the slave and he&#039;s the master! You think by waving the flag and kissing his dair aire that somehow will transport you into his world. Didn&#039;t you pay attention when his own mother spoke outloud in Houston last year! She said evreything she thought about the underling class. Enjoy for another 5-6 years then see what&#039;s left of your little world, I got mine, goodby US of A!BTW gasoline this time next year will be $5 per gal, suck it upand enjoy!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong># 152 Dealing with Hillybilly daughters of the trailer park like yourselves need to have one response. You&#8217;ll get yours in the end and I&#8217;m not talking about the end your used to. Bush supporters like you don&#8217;t understand the man &#8220;working&#8221; in Crawford, TX.  This person setting on the White House throne doesn&#8217;t like you, any more than I do. He&#8217;s the elite and your not! Your the slave and he&#8217;s the master! You think by waving the flag and kissing his dair aire that somehow will transport you into his world. Didn&#8217;t you pay attention when his own mother spoke outloud in Houston last year! She said evreything she thought about the underling class. Enjoy for another 5-6 years then see what&#8217;s left of your little world, I got mine, goodby US of A!BTW gasoline this time next year will be $5 per gal, suck it upand enjoy!</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=723762', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hunt</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-723294</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A disproportionate response is the best kind. â€¦ What would a proportionate Israeli response be? Snatching two Hezbollah fighters, torturing them to death, cutting off their genitals and stuffing them in their mouths?&quot;

The truth hurts.  They should have added: Rocketing civilian housing districts and purposely targeting civilians including women and children to that list though.  The only hope for temporary peace in the region is an all out war now, so that one side is completely decimated.  I say let the two sides battle it out so that there is a clear victor.  Otherwise both sides will keep playing a tit for tat game and more innocent civilians on both sides will die in the long run.  Peace though superior firepower is the only way the region will even have a temporary lull in fighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A disproportionate response is the best kind. â€¦ What would a proportionate Israeli response be? Snatching two Hezbollah fighters, torturing them to death, cutting off their genitals and stuffing them in their mouths?&#8221;</p>
<p>The truth hurts.  They should have added: Rocketing civilian housing districts and purposely targeting civilians including women and children to that list though.  The only hope for temporary peace in the region is an all out war now, so that one side is completely decimated.  I say let the two sides battle it out so that there is a clear victor.  Otherwise both sides will keep playing a tit for tat game and more innocent civilians on both sides will die in the long run.  Peace though superior firepower is the only way the region will even have a temporary lull in fighting.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=723294', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marra</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-718197</link>
		<dc:creator>Marra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver, Oliver Demsey,  You sound like you&#039;ve been programmed.  Just stick in the tape and let it run.  You&#039;ve been letting fear-mongers define who liberals are for you.  Leaving yourself wide open for Republicans to pour in your ear the blueprint for how you should think.  I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s even possible to have a conversation with you, you are so on track with the program.  Liberals are not anti-Christian, and to believe so is to be amazingly seperated from others.  Go out and have a cup of coffee and a nice conversation with people you don&#039;t yet know.  They can be real nice, you&#039;ll learn not to view others in such a rabid way, and you&#039;ll like the world better.  But, then you won&#039;t be of use to the Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver, Oliver Demsey,  You sound like you&#8217;ve been programmed.  Just stick in the tape and let it run.  You&#8217;ve been letting fear-mongers define who liberals are for you.  Leaving yourself wide open for Republicans to pour in your ear the blueprint for how you should think.  I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s even possible to have a conversation with you, you are so on track with the program.  Liberals are not anti-Christian, and to believe so is to be amazingly seperated from others.  Go out and have a cup of coffee and a nice conversation with people you don&#8217;t yet know.  They can be real nice, you&#8217;ll learn not to view others in such a rabid way, and you&#8217;ll like the world better.  But, then you won&#8217;t be of use to the Republicans.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=718197', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: America</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-717939</link>
		<dc:creator>America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two muslim men were arrested in Ohio today, August 9th, after Radio Shack employees became concerned because the two refused to give their names when buying cell phones with cash. Osma Sabhi Abdulhassan, 20, and Ali Houssaiky, 20, were apprehended in Marietta, Ohio with 12 of the phones and $11,000 in cash. A Washington County Sheriff said that the two are being charged with &quot;obstructing official business&quot; because they initially lied about their reason for purchasing the phones. The two (terrorist sympathizers) admitted to having purchased over 600 phones during the past few weeks. The two (muslim terrorist accomplices) &quot;eventually indicated they would sell the chips inside the phones to another individual in the Dearborn, Michigan area for $5.00 more than they paid for each phone.......

For more on this read The Marietta Times
Arrests tied to terrorism 


By Brad Bauer, bbauer@mariettatimes.com




TracFones being bought in bulk at area retail stores are suspected of being shipped overseas and used to detonate roadside bombs, officials said.

On Wednesday, two men suspected of having ties to terrorism were arrested in Marietta after purchasing several phones at area stores.

The two men, Osma Sabhi Abulhassan, 20, and Ali Houssaiky, 20, both of Dearborn, Mich., admitted to buying more than 600 phones in the Mid-Ohio Valley over the past few weeks. Several of the pay-as-you-go cell phones and $11,000 in cash were found during a search of their vehicle. The men are being held in the Washington County Jail, each charged with obstructing official business.

Washington County Sheriff Larry Mincks said initially the men lied about their reasons for purchasing the phones, which led to the charges.

Abulhassan and Houssaiky are expected to appear for an arraignment this morning in Marietta Municipal Court.

â€œEventually they indicated they would sell the chips inside the phones to another individual in the Dearborn, Mich., area for $5 more than they pay for the phone,â€ Mincks said. 

Maj. John Winstanley said the sheriffâ€™s office has received notices from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security warning individuals are purchasing the phones for terror related activity.

â€œItâ€™s their belief that they send these TracFones overseas, and they use (the chips) against the troops, detonating bombs,â€ Winstanley said.

The FBI and Department of Homeland Security have been notified and are assisting in the investigation, Winstanley said..

Local officials have since learned the individual buying the chips in Dearborn is the subject of an open FBI case.

In addition to Marietta stores, Mincks said Abulhassan and Houssaiky had recently purchased phones in Barlow, St. Clairsville and Woodsfield.

The sheriffâ€™s office was notified of the situation around 2 p.m. Tuesday by RadioShack employees. Workers at the Marietta store said Abulhassan and Houssaiky were acting suspicious and that they refused to give their names when attempting to purchase nine of the phones. 

Officers responded and stopped their vehicle after a minor traffic violation, Mincks said. A total of 12 cell phones and $11,000 in cash were found inside the vehicle.

Winstanley said the men had a map marking Wal-Mart locations from Dearborn through Marietta and on to Charlotte, N.C., and South Carolina..

Mincks said Dearborn has a large Lebanese population and has been the site of pro-Hezballoh rallies recently. He said the department was not profiling, but admitted that because of the suspectsâ€™ descent the incident â€œcaused a bit of a stir.â€

Buying and possessing the phones was not illegal, Winstanley said; it was the suspectsâ€™ dishonesty with officers and the possible connection to a terrorist act that led to their arrests on the misdemeanor charges. 

A drug dog also indicated the presence of marijuana in the car, Winstanley said. One of the men indicated he had smoked marijuana during the drive to the area, but no drug-related charges have been filed, officials said.

Suspicious cell phone purchases have been reported in the area before, but Tuesday was the first time deputies have caught someone in the act.

â€œThey come and go pretty fast,â€ Winstanley said.

Parkersburg police Chief Gerald Board said his department also has received notifications from federal authorities to be on the lookout for suspicious cell phone purchases.

Board said there have been two incidents in recent months in which a large number of cell phones were bought at area stores. He said 45 phones were purchased from one store and 25 from another, but he declined to name the stores.

â€œWe got names, which I canâ€™t reveal, and passed the information on to federal authorities,â€ Board said.

Mincks said he does not want stores to stop selling the phones, but advised workers to watch for suspicious purchases and notify authorities.

Reporters Evan Bevins and Roger Adkins contributed to this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two muslim men were arrested in Ohio today, August 9th, after Radio Shack employees became concerned because the two refused to give their names when buying cell phones with cash. Osma Sabhi Abdulhassan, 20, and Ali Houssaiky, 20, were apprehended in Marietta, Ohio with 12 of the phones and $11,000 in cash. A Washington County Sheriff said that the two are being charged with &#8220;obstructing official business&#8221; because they initially lied about their reason for purchasing the phones. The two (terrorist sympathizers) admitted to having purchased over 600 phones during the past few weeks. The two (muslim terrorist accomplices) &#8220;eventually indicated they would sell the chips inside the phones to another individual in the Dearborn, Michigan area for $5.00 more than they paid for each phone&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>For more on this read The Marietta Times<br />
Arrests tied to terrorism </p>
<p>By Brad Bauer, <a href="mailto:bbauer@mariettatimes.com">bbauer@mariettatimes.com</a></p>
<p>TracFones being bought in bulk at area retail stores are suspected of being shipped overseas and used to detonate roadside bombs, officials said.</p>
<p>On Wednesday, two men suspected of having ties to terrorism were arrested in Marietta after purchasing several phones at area stores.</p>
<p>The two men, Osma Sabhi Abulhassan, 20, and Ali Houssaiky, 20, both of Dearborn, Mich., admitted to buying more than 600 phones in the Mid-Ohio Valley over the past few weeks. Several of the pay-as-you-go cell phones and $11,000 in cash were found during a search of their vehicle. The men are being held in the Washington County Jail, each charged with obstructing official business.</p>
<p>Washington County Sheriff Larry Mincks said initially the men lied about their reasons for purchasing the phones, which led to the charges.</p>
<p>Abulhassan and Houssaiky are expected to appear for an arraignment this morning in Marietta Municipal Court.</p>
<p>â€œEventually they indicated they would sell the chips inside the phones to another individual in the Dearborn, Mich., area for $5 more than they pay for the phone,â€ Mincks said. </p>
<p>Maj. John Winstanley said the sheriffâ€™s office has received notices from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security warning individuals are purchasing the phones for terror related activity.</p>
<p>â€œItâ€™s their belief that they send these TracFones overseas, and they use (the chips) against the troops, detonating bombs,â€ Winstanley said.</p>
<p>The FBI and Department of Homeland Security have been notified and are assisting in the investigation, Winstanley said..</p>
<p>Local officials have since learned the individual buying the chips in Dearborn is the subject of an open FBI case.</p>
<p>In addition to Marietta stores, Mincks said Abulhassan and Houssaiky had recently purchased phones in Barlow, St. Clairsville and Woodsfield.</p>
<p>The sheriffâ€™s office was notified of the situation around 2 p.m. Tuesday by RadioShack employees. Workers at the Marietta store said Abulhassan and Houssaiky were acting suspicious and that they refused to give their names when attempting to purchase nine of the phones. </p>
<p>Officers responded and stopped their vehicle after a minor traffic violation, Mincks said. A total of 12 cell phones and $11,000 in cash were found inside the vehicle.</p>
<p>Winstanley said the men had a map marking Wal-Mart locations from Dearborn through Marietta and on to Charlotte, N.C., and South Carolina..</p>
<p>Mincks said Dearborn has a large Lebanese population and has been the site of pro-Hezballoh rallies recently. He said the department was not profiling, but admitted that because of the suspectsâ€™ descent the incident â€œcaused a bit of a stir.â€</p>
<p>Buying and possessing the phones was not illegal, Winstanley said; it was the suspectsâ€™ dishonesty with officers and the possible connection to a terrorist act that led to their arrests on the misdemeanor charges. </p>
<p>A drug dog also indicated the presence of marijuana in the car, Winstanley said. One of the men indicated he had smoked marijuana during the drive to the area, but no drug-related charges have been filed, officials said.</p>
<p>Suspicious cell phone purchases have been reported in the area before, but Tuesday was the first time deputies have caught someone in the act.</p>
<p>â€œThey come and go pretty fast,â€ Winstanley said.</p>
<p>Parkersburg police Chief Gerald Board said his department also has received notifications from federal authorities to be on the lookout for suspicious cell phone purchases.</p>
<p>Board said there have been two incidents in recent months in which a large number of cell phones were bought at area stores. He said 45 phones were purchased from one store and 25 from another, but he declined to name the stores.</p>
<p>â€œWe got names, which I canâ€™t reveal, and passed the information on to federal authorities,â€ Board said.</p>
<p>Mincks said he does not want stores to stop selling the phones, but advised workers to watch for suspicious purchases and notify authorities.</p>
<p>Reporters Evan Bevins and Roger Adkins contributed to this story.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=717939', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lee M. VanNatter</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-713406</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee M. VanNatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &quot;Kill them all, let God sort them out.&quot; was actually said by the Duc de Guise of France around the 1570&#039;s or 1580&#039;s.  It was when they were trying to wipe out the Hugenots (French Protestants,) whom they regarded as heretics.  Just before they started the slaughter, soldier asked de Guise, &quot;My Lord, how shall we tell the heretics from the true believers?
   The Duc de Guise replied, &quot;Kill them all son!  God will know the difference.&quot;
    What would we ever do without these wars fought by religious fanatics?  They add so much to our culture, don&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;Kill them all, let God sort them out.&#8221; was actually said by the Duc de Guise of France around the 1570&#8217;s or 1580&#8217;s.  It was when they were trying to wipe out the Hugenots (French Protestants,) whom they regarded as heretics.  Just before they started the slaughter, soldier asked de Guise, &#8220;My Lord, how shall we tell the heretics from the true believers?<br />
   The Duc de Guise replied, &#8220;Kill them all son!  God will know the difference.&#8221;<br />
    What would we ever do without these wars fought by religious fanatics?  They add so much to our culture, don&#8217;t they?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=713406', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Timmy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-709640</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to kill them before they kill us. This is a clash od civilizations. We need to pummel them and kill them all.

When they say things like this I wonder a few things -

1) How will they filter / differentiate terrorist Arab Muslims (&quot;Islamofascists&quot; as Rush &quot;Fat Boy&quot; Limbaugh likes to call them) and non-terrorist Arab Muslims?

2) Do they care?

3) Do they know how many countries they would have to go into to get them all?

4) Do they realize that the reall terrorists will just disperse and run when they attack them, only to come back elsewhere?

5) Do they realize the more that they kill them, the more it will strengthen THEIR resolve, and the more soldiers will volunteer for Allah to fight the great Satan?

6) Can we reason with &quot;terrorists&quot; or is finding and killing them the ONLY thing they understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to kill them before they kill us. This is a clash od civilizations. We need to pummel them and kill them all.</p>
<p>When they say things like this I wonder a few things -</p>
<p>1) How will they filter / differentiate terrorist Arab Muslims (&#8221;Islamofascists&#8221; as Rush &#8220;Fat Boy&#8221; Limbaugh likes to call them) and non-terrorist Arab Muslims?</p>
<p>2) Do they care?</p>
<p>3) Do they know how many countries they would have to go into to get them all?</p>
<p>4) Do they realize that the reall terrorists will just disperse and run when they attack them, only to come back elsewhere?</p>
<p>5) Do they realize the more that they kill them, the more it will strengthen THEIR resolve, and the more soldiers will volunteer for Allah to fight the great Satan?</p>
<p>6) Can we reason with &#8220;terrorists&#8221; or is finding and killing them the ONLY thing they understand?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=709640', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Demsey</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-703481</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Demsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals don&#039;t seem to realize that most patriotic Americans are &#039;right wing&#039;. We are christian, and unlike liberals, have faith in God, the President and our troops. Toi be a liberal is to be an athiest, a communist and a deviant. Liberals are so detached fom reality, blinded by thier hate for freedom and Pres Bush, they don&#039;t even blink when giving aid and comfort to the enemy by questioning the President and the war on terror. Its wartime, and like it or not, the President is to be obeyed without question. What he says goes, period. . If you oppose the war, then keep quiet, and  wait till after we win to spout your treasonopus rhetoric.
The President brought FREEDOM to Iraq, and the liberals hate that, becuase they hate freedom. Pres Bush also has FAITH, somthiongh liberals lack. He knows America is a Christian nation, and he is thus being guided by the hand of Jesus. Homosexuals are doomed people, who becuse they deny Jesus, have invited a demon to take possesion of thier souls and minds. Notice on the liberal radio shows on Air america they are all athiests and jews? &lt;strong&gt;To critisize the war and the Presdient is an attack on freedom. To question  against pres Bush is to go against Jesus.&lt;/strong&gt; The only way we can bring an end to middle east religious extremism is to make them all worship Jesus. Ann Coulter is correct, we need to off the radical middle eastern leaderes and convert every person in the middle east to Christianity.
Only those who embrace Jesus will see heaven, and those who reject Jesus will burn in Hell. As far as Im concerned, every Mulsim we kill in the Middle east is one less agent of Satan. Only if they accept Jesus should we help them- otherwise, lets nuke em all. We need to stay in Iraq until we kill all the terrorists- if we ever pull out, that will be a seen as weakness, and they&#039;ll atatck us again. We will NEVER surrender! God bless america, God bless Pres Bush</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals don&#8217;t seem to realize that most patriotic Americans are &#8216;right wing&#8217;. We are christian, and unlike liberals, have faith in God, the President and our troops. Toi be a liberal is to be an athiest, a communist and a deviant. Liberals are so detached fom reality, blinded by thier hate for freedom and Pres Bush, they don&#8217;t even blink when giving aid and comfort to the enemy by questioning the President and the war on terror. Its wartime, and like it or not, the President is to be obeyed without question. What he says goes, period. . If you oppose the war, then keep quiet, and  wait till after we win to spout your treasonopus rhetoric.<br />
The President brought FREEDOM to Iraq, and the liberals hate that, becuase they hate freedom. Pres Bush also has FAITH, somthiongh liberals lack. He knows America is a Christian nation, and he is thus being guided by the hand of Jesus. Homosexuals are doomed people, who becuse they deny Jesus, have invited a demon to take possesion of thier souls and minds. Notice on the liberal radio shows on Air america they are all athiests and jews? <strong>To critisize the war and the Presdient is an attack on freedom. To question  against pres Bush is to go against Jesus.</strong> The only way we can bring an end to middle east religious extremism is to make them all worship Jesus. Ann Coulter is correct, we need to off the radical middle eastern leaderes and convert every person in the middle east to Christianity.<br />
Only those who embrace Jesus will see heaven, and those who reject Jesus will burn in Hell. As far as Im concerned, every Mulsim we kill in the Middle east is one less agent of Satan. Only if they accept Jesus should we help them- otherwise, lets nuke em all. We need to stay in Iraq until we kill all the terrorists- if we ever pull out, that will be a seen as weakness, and they&#8217;ll atatck us again. We will NEVER surrender! God bless america, God bless Pres Bush<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=703481', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tobey Tall</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-703171</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobey Tall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,19998813-663,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;9/11 untruths could be criminal - report&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

THE 10-member commission that investigated the US response to the September 11 attacks considered seeking a criminal probe of the Pentagon, believing it had deliberately misled the panel and the public, The Washington Post reported today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,19998813-663,00.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>9/11 untruths could be criminal &#8211; report</strong></a></p>
<p>THE 10-member commission that investigated the US response to the September 11 attacks considered seeking a criminal probe of the Pentagon, believing it had deliberately misled the panel and the public, The Washington Post reported today.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=703171', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Appollo</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-696664</link>
		<dc:creator>Appollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel&#039;s part for whatever reason, the following two sentences really say it all.


If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no Israel.
http://israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy/articles/dip_0204.htm#
http://www.seconddraft.org/streaming/pallywood.wmv

Whoâ€™s Side Is The U.N. On? 
by Jay on 07-27-06 @ 10:09 am Filed under War On Terror, News 
Annanâ€™s Claims On Casualties May Unravel 
STOPTHEACLU.COM 

An apparent discrepancy in the portrayal of events surrounding the deaths of four unarmed U.N. observers in Lebanon threatens to unravel Secretary-General Annanâ€™s initial accusation that Israel â€œdeliberatelyâ€ targeted the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon. 

A Canadian U.N. observer, one of four killed at a UNIFIL position near the southern Lebanese town of Khiyam on Tuesday, sent an e-mail to his former commander, a Canadian retired major-general, Lewis MacKenzie, in which he wrote that Hezbollah fighters were â€œall overâ€ the U.N. position, Mr. MacKenzie said. Hezbollah troops, not the United Nations, were Israelâ€™s target, the deceased observer wrote. 

This is also interesting. I wonder how much press this will get? I found this video thanks to Faustaâ€™s Blog. Can someone explain what is going on here to me? 

SOURCE &amp; VIDEO: 
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2006/07/27...e-is-the-un-on/ 

Gee, is that an ambulance with UN markings filled with jihadist, no, it couldn&#039;t be that.

CNN&#039;s Anderson Cooper Exposes Hezbollah&#039;s Media Manipulations 
Posted by Rich Noyes on July 25, 2006 - 17:54. 
On Mondayâ€™s &quot;Anderson Cooper 360,&quot; CNNâ€™s Anderson Cooper related his visit to a Hezbollah-controlled section of Beirut where he was supposed to photograph certain damaged buildings, part of the terrorist groupâ€™s strategy of generating news stories about Lebanese civilian casualities caused by Israeli bombs. 

But instead of merely transmitting Hezbollahâ€™s unverified and unverifiable claims to the outside world, Cooper â€” to his credit â€” exposed the efforts by Hezbollah to manipulate CNN and other Western reporters. Itâ€™s quite a contrast from the much more accommodating approach taken by his colleague, Nic Robertson, in a report that aired on a variety of CNN programs (including AC360) back on July 18, a report that Robertson himself has now conceded was put together under Hezbollah&#039;s control. 

Unlike Robertson, Cooper was explicit about how Hezbollahâ€™s operatives had set all of the rules: â€œYoung men on motor scooters followed our every movement. They only allowed us to videotape certain streets, certain buildings,â€ he explained. He countered Hezbollah claims that Israel targets civilians by pointing out that the group based itself in civilian areas and that Israel&#039;s air force drops leaflets warning of attacks. 

Cooper exposed for CNN viewers that the sight of speeding ambulances, sirens blaring, was just a phony play staged by Hezbollah: â€œOne by one, theyâ€™ve been told to turn on their sirens and zoom off so that all the photographers here can get shots of ambulances rushing off to treat civilians....These ambulances arenâ€™t responding to any new bombings. The sirens are strictly for effect.â€ 

CNN showed cameramen from other news organizations dutifully photographing the ambulances as they went by. 

Cooper had left Lebanon and was stationed in Haifa, Israel for Mondayâ€™s broadcast. His report on his trip â€œInside Hezbollahâ€ appeared at about 10:40pm EDT Monday (6:40am Tuesday, local time), the first hour of his two-hour program. 

â€œWe&#039;d come to get a look at the damage and had hoped to talk with a Hezbollah representative. Instead, we found ourselves with other foreign reporters taken on a guided tour by Hezbollah. Young men on motor scooters followed our every movement. They only allowed us to videotape certain streets, certain buildings. Once, when they thought we&#039;d videotaped them, they asked us to erase the tape. These men are called al-Shabab, Hezbollah volunteers who are the organization&#039;s eyes and ears.â€ 

Gesturing to racks of music CDs in a building that had lost at least one of its walls, Cooper remarked, â€œYou see their CDs on the wall still.â€ 

He continued: â€œHezbollah representatives are with us now but don&#039;t want to be photographed. They&#039;ll point to something like that and they&#039;ll say, â€˜Well, look, this is a store.â€™ The civilians lived in this building. This is a residential complex. 

â€œAnd while that may be true, what the Israelis will say is that Hezbollah has their offices, their leadership has offices and bunkers even in residential neighborhoods. And if you&#039;re trying to knock out the Hezbollah leadership with air strikes, it&#039;s very difficult to do that without killing civilians. 

â€œAs bad as this damage is, it certainly could have been much worse in terms of civilian casualties. Before they started heavily bombing this area, Israeli warplanes did drop leaflets in this area, telling people to get out. The civilian death toll, though, has angered many Lebanese. Even those who do not support Hezbollah are outraged by the pictures they&#039;ve seen on television of civilian casualties.â€ 

As the video showed a group reporters and photographers interviewing a single woman on a blanket, Cooper explained, â€œCivilian casualties are clearly what Hezbollah wants foreign reporters to focus on. It keeps the attention off them â€” and questions about why Hezbollah should still be allowed to have weapons when all the other militias in Lebanon have already disarmed. 

â€œAfter letting us take pictures of a few damaged buildings, they take us to another location, where there are ambulances waiting. 

â€œThis is a heavily orchestrated Hezbollah media event. When we got here, all the ambulances were lined up. We were allowed a few minutes to talk to the ambulance drivers. Then one by one, they&#039;ve been told to turn on their sirens and zoom off so that all the photographers here can get shots of ambulances rushing off to treat civilians. That&#039;s the story that Hezbollah wants people to know about. 

â€œThese ambulances aren&#039;t responding to any new bombings. The sirens are strictly for effect.â€ 

Cooper concluded: â€œHezbollah may not be terribly subtle about spinning a story, but it is telling perhaps that they try. Even after all this bombing, Hezbollah is still organized enough to have a public relations strategy, still in control enough to try and get its message out.â€ 

Live Thread: MRC&#039;s Brent Bozell on &#039;The O&#039;Reilly Factor&#039; 
Posted by Open Thread on July 24, 2006 - 19:43. 
The MRC&#039;s Brent Bozell will be on the Fox News Channel&#039;s &quot;O&#039;Reilly Factor&quot; tonight at 8pm Eastern to discuss the media&#039;s coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict. The show repeats at 11pm and 4am Eastern as well. Use this thread to post your comments. 

Video of interview (4:22): Real at 100 kbps (3.3 MB), Windows Media at 81 kbps (2.8 MB), plus MP3 audio (1.5 MB). 

UPDATE: A full transcript is available below the fold. 

BILL O&#039;REILLY: We try very hard to be fair here on &quot;The Factor,&quot; but, of course, fair play is usually in the eye of the beholder. Joining us now from Washington is the president of the Media Research Center, a conservative group, Brent Bozell. 

All in all, the last couple of weeks, has the coverage on the networks and the cable news operations been fair? 

BRENT BOZELL: I think all in all, it has been to date. But you know that&#039;s not surprising. At the start of any ground engagement, the start of any war when you&#039;re focused on hard news coverage, the coverage does tend to be fair and balanced and objective. It&#039;s when you start moving beyond that, when reporters start getting restless, when they are tired of the old pictures and start analyzing it, that&#039;s when the trouble begins and I suspect in the next two or three days, you&#039;re going to see it start to emerge. 

O&#039;REILLY: Well, that&#039;s a good point. We&#039;re struggling now to find new angles to report the story fresh. You can&#039;t be repeating the same things over and over again. But I have heard -- I have to say I haven&#039;t seen it because I am so busy doing what I do--I have heard that CNN and NBC in particular have been much more accommodating to the Hezbollah point of view. Have you seen that? 

BOZELL: Well, yeah. There was a report last week on CNN that was rather disgraceful. Nic Robertson went in at the invitation and at the behest and at the control of Hezbollah, reporting a propaganda piece from Hezbollah&#039;s perspective. And really didn&#039;t tell his viewers exactly what was going on. And then several days later, when questioned about that story by Howie Kurtz on the CNN &quot;Reliable Sources&quot;--give CNN credit for at least following up--he conceded that he really didn&#039;t know if he was reporting the truth. He wasn&#039;t allowed to go inside the buildings. He wasn&#039;t allowed to show anything. 

So when he reports from a Hezbollah position that there are no military weapons to be shown here, that really doesn&#039;t mean anything. 

O&#039;REILLY: OK. I just want to be clear because Robertson is a pretty good correspondent. He&#039;s got access -- 

BOZELL: But Bill-- 

O&#039;REILLY: But I want to set it up.-- 

BOZELL: But here&#039;s my point, Bill. No reporter ought to allow himself to be led by the nose by a terrorist organization. 

O&#039;REILLY: No, I understand that. That&#039;s how Dan Rather got in trouble with his prewar interview with Saddam Hussein. 

BOZELL: That&#039;s how CNN got in trouble. That&#039;s how CNN got in trouble-- 

O&#039;REILLY: He was in there and he was compromised. What happens is that you trade objectivity for access. If Hezbollah is going to let you in there, then you have to almost shade it toward their point of view because they won&#039;t ever let you in there again. 

BOZELL: Precisely. That&#039;s what CNN did during the first Gulf War. CNN acknowledged that they did that afterwards to curry favor with Saddam Hussein. CNN really did damage to its reputation. It ought to learn that lesson and be very careful about the future. 

O&#039;REILLY: Now has Fox News been too pro-Israel? 

BOZELL: I don&#039;t think so. Just his afternoon in preparation for the show, I was watching Fox and CNN, I might add. And I thought both networks were going back and forth and back and forth from both perspectives very, very well. 

O&#039;REILLY: All right. So because I do want to be fair here. Up front I&#039;m an analyst, not a reporter. I say that when Hezbollah attacks without provocation and has 13,000 missiles, that I have got to take the side of the people attacked. But I don&#039;t obviously wouldn&#039;t want them to do anything untoward as well. Now-- 

BOZELL: The pictures that everyone is seeing, the vast majority of the pictures that everyone is seeing is of the dead and wounded in Lebanon. And those pictures are airing on Fox as well. 

O&#039;REILLY: OK. Last question for you. The New York Times is sitting this out, absolutely sitting it out editorial. And I believe it&#039;s because they don&#039;t want to alienate their liberal Jewish base here in New York City. Am I wrong? 

BOZELL: Well, except I hope they do sit it up because when they do write things, you tend to smash your head against a wall like the piece the other day worrying about the asymmetry, wondering if Israel was being unfair in the war against Lebanon. 

O&#039;REILLY: But a lot of people are wondering now whether they should attack Beirut in civilian style. That&#039;s a legitimate question. 

BOZELL: When you&#039;re in war, you try to win. 

O&#039;REILLY: OK.Yeah but there are even rules of engagement in a war. But I do believe that the New York Times is very worried about its circulation after the last, you know, expose about the terrorist funding. And they can&#039;t take another hit. 

BOZELL: If they were -- if there were American secrets at play, the New York Times would have it as front page stories. 

O&#039;REILLY: They can&#039;t lose their base, though. All right. Mr. Bozell, thanks very much for being here. We&#039;ll wrap things up in a moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel&#8217;s part for whatever reason, the following two sentences really say it all.</p>
<p>If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.<br />
If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no Israel.<br />
<a href="http://israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy/articles/dip_0204.htm#" rel="nofollow">http://israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy/articles/dip_0204.htm#</a><br />
<a href="http://www.seconddraft.org/streaming/pallywood.wmv" rel="nofollow">http://www.seconddraft.org/streaming/pallywood.wmv</a></p>
<p>Whoâ€™s Side Is The U.N. On?<br />
by Jay on 07-27-06 @ 10:09 am Filed under War On Terror, News<br />
Annanâ€™s Claims On Casualties May Unravel<br />
STOPTHEACLU.COM </p>
<p>An apparent discrepancy in the portrayal of events surrounding the deaths of four unarmed U.N. observers in Lebanon threatens to unravel Secretary-General Annanâ€™s initial accusation that Israel â€œdeliberatelyâ€ targeted the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon. </p>
<p>A Canadian U.N. observer, one of four killed at a UNIFIL position near the southern Lebanese town of Khiyam on Tuesday, sent an e-mail to his former commander, a Canadian retired major-general, Lewis MacKenzie, in which he wrote that Hezbollah fighters were â€œall overâ€ the U.N. position, Mr. MacKenzie said. Hezbollah troops, not the United Nations, were Israelâ€™s target, the deceased observer wrote. </p>
<p>This is also interesting. I wonder how much press this will get? I found this video thanks to Faustaâ€™s Blog. Can someone explain what is going on here to me? </p>
<p>SOURCE &amp; VIDEO:<br />
<a href="http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2006/07/27...e-is-the-un-on/" rel="nofollow">http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2006/07/27&#8230;e-is-the-un-on/</a> </p>
<p>Gee, is that an ambulance with UN markings filled with jihadist, no, it couldn&#8217;t be that.</p>
<p>CNN&#8217;s Anderson Cooper Exposes Hezbollah&#8217;s Media Manipulations<br />
Posted by Rich Noyes on July 25, 2006 &#8211; 17:54.<br />
On Mondayâ€™s &#8220;Anderson Cooper 360,&#8221; CNNâ€™s Anderson Cooper related his visit to a Hezbollah-controlled section of Beirut where he was supposed to photograph certain damaged buildings, part of the terrorist groupâ€™s strategy of generating news stories about Lebanese civilian casualities caused by Israeli bombs. </p>
<p>But instead of merely transmitting Hezbollahâ€™s unverified and unverifiable claims to the outside world, Cooper â€” to his credit â€” exposed the efforts by Hezbollah to manipulate CNN and other Western reporters. Itâ€™s quite a contrast from the much more accommodating approach taken by his colleague, Nic Robertson, in a report that aired on a variety of CNN programs (including AC360) back on July 18, a report that Robertson himself has now conceded was put together under Hezbollah&#8217;s control. </p>
<p>Unlike Robertson, Cooper was explicit about how Hezbollahâ€™s operatives had set all of the rules: â€œYoung men on motor scooters followed our every movement. They only allowed us to videotape certain streets, certain buildings,â€ he explained. He countered Hezbollah claims that Israel targets civilians by pointing out that the group based itself in civilian areas and that Israel&#8217;s air force drops leaflets warning of attacks. </p>
<p>Cooper exposed for CNN viewers that the sight of speeding ambulances, sirens blaring, was just a phony play staged by Hezbollah: â€œOne by one, theyâ€™ve been told to turn on their sirens and zoom off so that all the photographers here can get shots of ambulances rushing off to treat civilians&#8230;.These ambulances arenâ€™t responding to any new bombings. The sirens are strictly for effect.â€ </p>
<p>CNN showed cameramen from other news organizations dutifully photographing the ambulances as they went by. </p>
<p>Cooper had left Lebanon and was stationed in Haifa, Israel for Mondayâ€™s broadcast. His report on his trip â€œInside Hezbollahâ€ appeared at about 10:40pm EDT Monday (6:40am Tuesday, local time), the first hour of his two-hour program. </p>
<p>â€œWe&#8217;d come to get a look at the damage and had hoped to talk with a Hezbollah representative. Instead, we found ourselves with other foreign reporters taken on a guided tour by Hezbollah. Young men on motor scooters followed our every movement. They only allowed us to videotape certain streets, certain buildings. Once, when they thought we&#8217;d videotaped them, they asked us to erase the tape. These men are called al-Shabab, Hezbollah volunteers who are the organization&#8217;s eyes and ears.â€ </p>
<p>Gesturing to racks of music CDs in a building that had lost at least one of its walls, Cooper remarked, â€œYou see their CDs on the wall still.â€ </p>
<p>He continued: â€œHezbollah representatives are with us now but don&#8217;t want to be photographed. They&#8217;ll point to something like that and they&#8217;ll say, â€˜Well, look, this is a store.â€™ The civilians lived in this building. This is a residential complex. </p>
<p>â€œAnd while that may be true, what the Israelis will say is that Hezbollah has their offices, their leadership has offices and bunkers even in residential neighborhoods. And if you&#8217;re trying to knock out the Hezbollah leadership with air strikes, it&#8217;s very difficult to do that without killing civilians. </p>
<p>â€œAs bad as this damage is, it certainly could have been much worse in terms of civilian casualties. Before they started heavily bombing this area, Israeli warplanes did drop leaflets in this area, telling people to get out. The civilian death toll, though, has angered many Lebanese. Even those who do not support Hezbollah are outraged by the pictures they&#8217;ve seen on television of civilian casualties.â€ </p>
<p>As the video showed a group reporters and photographers interviewing a single woman on a blanket, Cooper explained, â€œCivilian casualties are clearly what Hezbollah wants foreign reporters to focus on. It keeps the attention off them â€” and questions about why Hezbollah should still be allowed to have weapons when all the other militias in Lebanon have already disarmed. </p>
<p>â€œAfter letting us take pictures of a few damaged buildings, they take us to another location, where there are ambulances waiting. </p>
<p>â€œThis is a heavily orchestrated Hezbollah media event. When we got here, all the ambulances were lined up. We were allowed a few minutes to talk to the ambulance drivers. Then one by one, they&#8217;ve been told to turn on their sirens and zoom off so that all the photographers here can get shots of ambulances rushing off to treat civilians. That&#8217;s the story that Hezbollah wants people to know about. </p>
<p>â€œThese ambulances aren&#8217;t responding to any new bombings. The sirens are strictly for effect.â€ </p>
<p>Cooper concluded: â€œHezbollah may not be terribly subtle about spinning a story, but it is telling perhaps that they try. Even after all this bombing, Hezbollah is still organized enough to have a public relations strategy, still in control enough to try and get its message out.â€ </p>
<p>Live Thread: MRC&#8217;s Brent Bozell on &#8216;The O&#8217;Reilly Factor&#8217;<br />
Posted by Open Thread on July 24, 2006 &#8211; 19:43.<br />
The MRC&#8217;s Brent Bozell will be on the Fox News Channel&#8217;s &#8220;O&#8217;Reilly Factor&#8221; tonight at 8pm Eastern to discuss the media&#8217;s coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict. The show repeats at 11pm and 4am Eastern as well. Use this thread to post your comments. </p>
<p>Video of interview (4:22): Real at 100 kbps (3.3 MB), Windows Media at 81 kbps (2.8 MB), plus MP3 audio (1.5 MB). </p>
<p>UPDATE: A full transcript is available below the fold. </p>
<p>BILL O&#8217;REILLY: We try very hard to be fair here on &#8220;The Factor,&#8221; but, of course, fair play is usually in the eye of the beholder. Joining us now from Washington is the president of the Media Research Center, a conservative group, Brent Bozell. </p>
<p>All in all, the last couple of weeks, has the coverage on the networks and the cable news operations been fair? </p>
<p>BRENT BOZELL: I think all in all, it has been to date. But you know that&#8217;s not surprising. At the start of any ground engagement, the start of any war when you&#8217;re focused on hard news coverage, the coverage does tend to be fair and balanced and objective. It&#8217;s when you start moving beyond that, when reporters start getting restless, when they are tired of the old pictures and start analyzing it, that&#8217;s when the trouble begins and I suspect in the next two or three days, you&#8217;re going to see it start to emerge. </p>
<p>O&#8217;REILLY: Well, that&#8217;s a good point. We&#8217;re struggling now to find new angles to report the story fresh. You can&#8217;t be repeating the same things over and over again. But I have heard &#8212; I have to say I haven&#8217;t seen it because I am so busy doing what I do&#8211;I have heard that CNN and NBC in particular have been much more accommodating to the Hezbollah point of view. Have you seen that? </p>
<p>BOZELL: Well, yeah. There was a report last week on CNN that was rather disgraceful. Nic Robertson went in at the invitation and at the behest and at the control of Hezbollah, reporting a propaganda piece from Hezbollah&#8217;s perspective. And really didn&#8217;t tell his viewers exactly what was going on. And then several days later, when questioned about that story by Howie Kurtz on the CNN &#8220;Reliable Sources&#8221;&#8211;give CNN credit for at least following up&#8211;he conceded that he really didn&#8217;t know if he was reporting the truth. He wasn&#8217;t allowed to go inside the buildings. He wasn&#8217;t allowed to show anything. </p>
<p>So when he reports from a Hezbollah position that there are no military weapons to be shown here, that really doesn&#8217;t mean anything. </p>
<p>O&#8217;REILLY: OK. I just want to be clear because Robertson is a pretty good correspondent. He&#8217;s got access &#8212; </p>
<p>BOZELL: But Bill&#8211; </p>
<p>O&#8217;REILLY: But I want to set it up.&#8211; </p>
<p>BOZELL: But here&#8217;s my point, Bill. No reporter ought to allow himself to be led by the nose by a terrorist organization. </p>
<p>O&#8217;REILLY: No, I understand that. That&#8217;s how Dan Rather got in trouble with his prewar interview with Saddam Hussein. </p>
<p>BOZELL: That&#8217;s how CNN got in trouble. That&#8217;s how CNN got in trouble&#8211; </p>
<p>O&#8217;REILLY: He was in there and he was compromised. What happens is that you trade objectivity for access. If Hezbollah is going to let you in there, then you have to almost shade it toward their point of view because they won&#8217;t ever let you in there again. </p>
<p>BOZELL: Precisely. That&#8217;s what CNN did during the first Gulf War. CNN acknowledged that they did that afterwards to curry favor with Saddam Hussein. CNN really did damage to its reputation. It ought to learn that lesson and be very careful about the future. </p>
<p>O&#8217;REILLY: Now has Fox News been too pro-Israel? </p>
<p>BOZELL: I don&#8217;t think so. Just his afternoon in preparation for the show, I was watching Fox and CNN, I might add. And I thought both networks were going back and forth and back and forth from both perspectives very, very well. </p>
<p>O&#8217;REILLY: All right. So because I do want to be fair here. Up front I&#8217;m an analyst, not a reporter. I say that when Hezbollah attacks without provocation and has 13,000 missiles, that I have got to take the side of the people attacked. But I don&#8217;t obviously wouldn&#8217;t want them to do anything untoward as well. Now&#8211; </p>
<p>BOZELL: The pictures that everyone is seeing, the vast majority of the pictures that everyone is seeing is of the dead and wounded in Lebanon. And those pictures are airing on Fox as well. </p>
<p>O&#8217;REILLY: OK. Last question for you. The New York Times is sitting this out, absolutely sitting it out editorial. And I believe it&#8217;s because they don&#8217;t want to alienate their liberal Jewish base here in New York City. Am I wrong? </p>
<p>BOZELL: Well, except I hope they do sit it up because when they do write things, you tend to smash your head against a wall like the piece the other day worrying about the asymmetry, wondering if Israel was being unfair in the war against Lebanon. </p>
<p>O&#8217;REILLY: But a lot of people are wondering now whether they should attack Beirut in civilian style. That&#8217;s a legitimate question. </p>
<p>BOZELL: When you&#8217;re in war, you try to win. </p>
<p>O&#8217;REILLY: OK.Yeah but there are even rules of engagement in a war. But I do believe that the New York Times is very worried about its circulation after the last, you know, expose about the terrorist funding. And they can&#8217;t take another hit. </p>
<p>BOZELL: If they were &#8212; if there were American secrets at play, the New York Times would have it as front page stories. </p>
<p>O&#8217;REILLY: They can&#8217;t lose their base, though. All right. Mr. Bozell, thanks very much for being here. We&#8217;ll wrap things up in a moment.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=696664', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<description>The Moral Lesson of Hiroshima
by John Lewis  (April 29, 2006)

On August 6, 1945 the American Air Force incinerated Hiroshima, Japan with an atomic bomb. On August 9 Nagasaki was obliterated. The fireballs killed some 175,000 people. They followed months of horror, when American airplanes firebombed civilians and reduced cities to rubble. Facing extermination, the Japanese surrendered unconditionally. The invasion of Japan was cancelled, and countless American lives were saved. The Japanese accepted military occupation, embraced a constitutional government, and renounced war permanently. The effects were so beneficent, so wide-ranging and so long-term, that the bombings must be ranked among the most moral acts ever committed. 

The bombings have been called many things-but moral? The purpose of morality, wrote Ayn Rand, is not to suffer and die, but to prosper and live.

How can death on such a scale be considered moral? 

The answer begins with Japanese culture. World War II in the Pacific was launched by a nation that esteemed everything hostile to human life.

Japan&#039;s religious-political philosophy held the emperor as a god, subordinated the individual to the state, elevated ritual over rational thought, and adopted suicide as a path to honor. This was truly a Morality of Death. It had gripped Japanese society for three generations. Japan&#039;s war with Russia had ended in 1905 with a negotiated treaty, which left Japan&#039;s militaristic culture intact. The motivations for war were emboldened, and the next generation broke the treaty by attacking Manchuria in 1931 (which was not caused by the oil embargo of 1941). 

It was after Japan attacked America that America waged war against Japan-a proper moral response to the violence Japan had initiated. Despite three and a half years of slaughter, surrender was not at hand in mid-1945. Over six million Japanese were still in Asia. Some 12,000 Americans had died on Okinawa alone. Many Japanese leaders hoped to kill enough Americans during an invasion to convince them that the cost was too high. A relentless &quot;Die for the Emperor&quot; propaganda campaign had motivated many Japanese civilians to fight to the death. Volunteers lined up for kamikaze &quot;Divine Wind&quot; suicide missions. Hope of victory kept the Japanese cause alive, until hopeless prostration before American air attacks made the abject renunciation of all war the only alternative to suicide. The Japanese had to choose between the morality of death, and the morality of life. 

The bombings marked America&#039;s total victory over a militaristic culture that had murdered millions. To return an entire nation to morality, the Japanese had to be shown the literal meaning of the war they had waged against others. The abstraction &quot;war,&quot; the propaganda of their leaders, their twisted samurai &quot;honor,&quot; their desire to die for the emperor-all of it had to be given concrete form, and thrown in their faces. This is what firebombing Japanese cities accomplished. It showed the Japanese that &quot;this&quot;-point to burning buildings, screaming children scarred unmercifully, piles of corpses, the promise of starvation-&quot;this is what you have done to others. Now it has come for you. Give it up, or die.&quot; This was the only way to show them the true nature of their philosophy, and to beat the truth of the defeat into them. 

Yes, Japan was beaten in July of 1945-but had not surrendered. A defeat is a fact; an aggressor&#039;s ability to fight effectively is destroyed.

Surrender is a decision, by the political leadership and the dominant voices in the culture, to recognize the fact of defeat. Surrender is an admission of impotence, the collapse of all hope for victory, and the permanent renunciation of aggression. Such recognition of reality is the first step towards a return to morality. Under the shock of defeat, a stunned silence results. Military officers no longer plan for victory; women no longer bear children for the Reich; young boys no longer play samurai and dream of dying for the emperor-children no longer memorize sword verses from the Koran and pledge themselves to jihad. 

To achieve this, the victor must be intransigent. He does not accept terms; he demands prostrate surrender, or death, for everyone if necessary.

Had the United States negotiated in 1945, Japanese troops would have returned to a homeland free of foreign control, met by civilians who had not confronted defeat, under the same leaders who had taken them to war. A negotiated peace would have failed to discredit the ideology of war, and would have left the motivations for the next war intact. We might have fought the Japanese Empire again, twenty years later. Fortunately, the Americans were in no mind to compromise. 

President Truman demonstrated his willingness to bomb the Japanese out of existence if they did not surrender. The Potsdam Declaration of July 26, 1945 is stark: &quot;The result of the futile and senseless German resistance to the might of the aroused free peoples of the world stands forth in awful clarity as an example to the people of Japan . . . Following are our terms.

We will not deviate from them. There are no alternatives. We shall brook no delay . . . We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces . . . The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction.&quot; 

The approach worked brilliantly. After the bombs, the Japanese chose wisely.

The method was brutally violent, as it had to be-because the war unleashed by Japan was brutally violent, and only a brutal action could demonstrate its nature. To have shielded Japanese citizens from the meaning of their own actions-the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death March-would have been a massive act of dishonesty. It would have left the Japanese unable to reject military aggression the next time it was offered as an elixir of glory.

After the war, many returning Japanese troops were welcomed by their countrymen not as heroes, but with derision. The imperial cause was recognized as bankrupt, and the actions of its soldiers worthy of contempt.

Forced to confront the reality of what they had done, a sense of morality had returned to Japan. 

There can be no higher moral action by a nation than to destroy an aggressive dictatorship, to permanently discredit the enemy&#039;s ideology, to stand guard while a replacement is crafted, and then to greet new friends on proper terms. Let those who today march for peace in Germany and Japan admit that their grandparents once marched as passionately for war, and that only total defeat could force them to re-think their place in the world and offer their children something better. Let them thank heaven-the United States-for the bomb. 

Some did just that. Hisatsune Sakomizu, chief cabinet secretary of Japan, said after the war: &quot;The atomic bomb was a golden opportunity given by Heaven for Japan to end the war.&quot; He wanted to look like a peaceful man-which became a sensible position only after the Americans had won.

Okura Kimmochi, president of the Technological Research Mobilization Office, wrote before the surrender: &quot;I think it is better for our country to suffer a total defeat than to win total victory . . . in the case of Japan&#039;s total defeat, the armed forces would be abolished, but the Japanese people will rise to the occasion during the next several decades to reform themselves into a truly splendid people . . . the great humiliation [the bomb] is nothing but an admonition administered by Heaven to our country.&quot; But let him thank the American people-not heaven-for it was they who made the choice between the morality of life and the morality of death inescapable. 

Americans should be immensely proud of the bomb. It ended a war that had enslaved a continent to a religious-military ideology of slavery and death.

There is no room on earth for this system, its ideas and its advocates.

It took a country that values this world to bomb this system into extinction.

For the Americans to do so while refusing to sacrifice their own troops to save the lives of enemy civilians was a sublimely moral action. This destroyed the foundations of the war, and allowed the Japanese to rebuild their culture along with their cities, as prosperous inhabitants of the earth. Were it true that total victory today creates new attackers tomorrow, we would now be fighting Japanese suicide bombers, while North Korea-where the American army did not impose its will-would be peaceful and prosperous. The facts are otherwise. The need for total victory over the morality of death has never been clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Moral Lesson of Hiroshima<br />
by John Lewis  (April 29, 2006)</p>
<p>On August 6, 1945 the American Air Force incinerated Hiroshima, Japan with an atomic bomb. On August 9 Nagasaki was obliterated. The fireballs killed some 175,000 people. They followed months of horror, when American airplanes firebombed civilians and reduced cities to rubble. Facing extermination, the Japanese surrendered unconditionally. The invasion of Japan was cancelled, and countless American lives were saved. The Japanese accepted military occupation, embraced a constitutional government, and renounced war permanently. The effects were so beneficent, so wide-ranging and so long-term, that the bombings must be ranked among the most moral acts ever committed. </p>
<p>The bombings have been called many things-but moral? The purpose of morality, wrote Ayn Rand, is not to suffer and die, but to prosper and live.</p>
<p>How can death on such a scale be considered moral? </p>
<p>The answer begins with Japanese culture. World War II in the Pacific was launched by a nation that esteemed everything hostile to human life.</p>
<p>Japan&#8217;s religious-political philosophy held the emperor as a god, subordinated the individual to the state, elevated ritual over rational thought, and adopted suicide as a path to honor. This was truly a Morality of Death. It had gripped Japanese society for three generations. Japan&#8217;s war with Russia had ended in 1905 with a negotiated treaty, which left Japan&#8217;s militaristic culture intact. The motivations for war were emboldened, and the next generation broke the treaty by attacking Manchuria in 1931 (which was not caused by the oil embargo of 1941). </p>
<p>It was after Japan attacked America that America waged war against Japan-a proper moral response to the violence Japan had initiated. Despite three and a half years of slaughter, surrender was not at hand in mid-1945. Over six million Japanese were still in Asia. Some 12,000 Americans had died on Okinawa alone. Many Japanese leaders hoped to kill enough Americans during an invasion to convince them that the cost was too high. A relentless &#8220;Die for the Emperor&#8221; propaganda campaign had motivated many Japanese civilians to fight to the death. Volunteers lined up for kamikaze &#8220;Divine Wind&#8221; suicide missions. Hope of victory kept the Japanese cause alive, until hopeless prostration before American air attacks made the abject renunciation of all war the only alternative to suicide. The Japanese had to choose between the morality of death, and the morality of life. </p>
<p>The bombings marked America&#8217;s total victory over a militaristic culture that had murdered millions. To return an entire nation to morality, the Japanese had to be shown the literal meaning of the war they had waged against others. The abstraction &#8220;war,&#8221; the propaganda of their leaders, their twisted samurai &#8220;honor,&#8221; their desire to die for the emperor-all of it had to be given concrete form, and thrown in their faces. This is what firebombing Japanese cities accomplished. It showed the Japanese that &#8220;this&#8221;-point to burning buildings, screaming children scarred unmercifully, piles of corpses, the promise of starvation-&#8221;this is what you have done to others. Now it has come for you. Give it up, or die.&#8221; This was the only way to show them the true nature of their philosophy, and to beat the truth of the defeat into them. </p>
<p>Yes, Japan was beaten in July of 1945-but had not surrendered. A defeat is a fact; an aggressor&#8217;s ability to fight effectively is destroyed.</p>
<p>Surrender is a decision, by the political leadership and the dominant voices in the culture, to recognize the fact of defeat. Surrender is an admission of impotence, the collapse of all hope for victory, and the permanent renunciation of aggression. Such recognition of reality is the first step towards a return to morality. Under the shock of defeat, a stunned silence results. Military officers no longer plan for victory; women no longer bear children for the Reich; young boys no longer play samurai and dream of dying for the emperor-children no longer memorize sword verses from the Koran and pledge themselves to jihad. </p>
<p>To achieve this, the victor must be intransigent. He does not accept terms; he demands prostrate surrender, or death, for everyone if necessary.</p>
<p>Had the United States negotiated in 1945, Japanese troops would have returned to a homeland free of foreign control, met by civilians who had not confronted defeat, under the same leaders who had taken them to war. A negotiated peace would have failed to discredit the ideology of war, and would have left the motivations for the next war intact. We might have fought the Japanese Empire again, twenty years later. Fortunately, the Americans were in no mind to compromise. </p>
<p>President Truman demonstrated his willingness to bomb the Japanese out of existence if they did not surrender. The Potsdam Declaration of July 26, 1945 is stark: &#8220;The result of the futile and senseless German resistance to the might of the aroused free peoples of the world stands forth in awful clarity as an example to the people of Japan . . . Following are our terms.</p>
<p>We will not deviate from them. There are no alternatives. We shall brook no delay . . . We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces . . . The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction.&#8221; </p>
<p>The approach worked brilliantly. After the bombs, the Japanese chose wisely.</p>
<p>The method was brutally violent, as it had to be-because the war unleashed by Japan was brutally violent, and only a brutal action could demonstrate its nature. To have shielded Japanese citizens from the meaning of their own actions-the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death March-would have been a massive act of dishonesty. It would have left the Japanese unable to reject military aggression the next time it was offered as an elixir of glory.</p>
<p>After the war, many returning Japanese troops were welcomed by their countrymen not as heroes, but with derision. The imperial cause was recognized as bankrupt, and the actions of its soldiers worthy of contempt.</p>
<p>Forced to confront the reality of what they had done, a sense of morality had returned to Japan. </p>
<p>There can be no higher moral action by a nation than to destroy an aggressive dictatorship, to permanently discredit the enemy&#8217;s ideology, to stand guard while a replacement is crafted, and then to greet new friends on proper terms. Let those who today march for peace in Germany and Japan admit that their grandparents once marched as passionately for war, and that only total defeat could force them to re-think their place in the world and offer their children something better. Let them thank heaven-the United States-for the bomb. </p>
<p>Some did just that. Hisatsune Sakomizu, chief cabinet secretary of Japan, said after the war: &#8220;The atomic bomb was a golden opportunity given by Heaven for Japan to end the war.&#8221; He wanted to look like a peaceful man-which became a sensible position only after the Americans had won.</p>
<p>Okura Kimmochi, president of the Technological Research Mobilization Office, wrote before the surrender: &#8220;I think it is better for our country to suffer a total defeat than to win total victory . . . in the case of Japan&#8217;s total defeat, the armed forces would be abolished, but the Japanese people will rise to the occasion during the next several decades to reform themselves into a truly splendid people . . . the great humiliation [the bomb] is nothing but an admonition administered by Heaven to our country.&#8221; But let him thank the American people-not heaven-for it was they who made the choice between the morality of life and the morality of death inescapable. </p>
<p>Americans should be immensely proud of the bomb. It ended a war that had enslaved a continent to a religious-military ideology of slavery and death.</p>
<p>There is no room on earth for this system, its ideas and its advocates.</p>
<p>It took a country that values this world to bomb this system into extinction.</p>
<p>For the Americans to do so while refusing to sacrifice their own troops to save the lives of enemy civilians was a sublimely moral action. This destroyed the foundations of the war, and allowed the Japanese to rebuild their culture along with their cities, as prosperous inhabitants of the earth. Were it true that total victory today creates new attackers tomorrow, we would now be fighting Japanese suicide bombers, while North Korea-where the American army did not impose its will-would be peaceful and prosperous. The facts are otherwise. The need for total victory over the morality of death has never been clearer.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=696657', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Javick</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-696352</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Javick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush terrrorist#1--imprison the bastard neo con con before all of amerika is destroyed..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush terrrorist#1&#8211;imprison the bastard neo con con before all of amerika is destroyed..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=696352', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: David Carlisle</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-693616</link>
		<dc:creator>David Carlisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we want the U.N. to do peacekeeping missions and then prevent them from doing what we want, we got no right to complain.
  I&#039;m tempted to take a page from the Iraq occupation supporters and ask &quot;Why don&#039;t we ever hear anything good about the UN?&quot;  Like in Iraq, there&#039;s good stuff going on but you&#039;re darn tootin the bad stuff gets more press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we want the U.N. to do peacekeeping missions and then prevent them from doing what we want, we got no right to complain.<br />
  I&#8217;m tempted to take a page from the Iraq occupation supporters and ask &#8220;Why don&#8217;t we ever hear anything good about the UN?&#8221;  Like in Iraq, there&#8217;s good stuff going on but you&#8217;re darn tootin the bad stuff gets more press.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=693616', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonser</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-693394</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>114

and no government should... why should they... hell look at how the UN act in New York?

no more half solutions</description>
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<p>and no government should&#8230; why should they&#8230; hell look at how the UN act in New York?</p>
<p>no more half solutions<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=693394', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: David Carlisle</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Carlisle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When people think of UN failures, we usually think of peacekeeping missions.  A crisis erupts, the world gets outraged, a peacekeeping force is assembled and then they&#039;re given a mandate which allows them to shoot dirty looks at people when they&#039;re attacked.  It&#039;s like griping that the sherriff and the flyswatter he was given hasn&#039;t done anything to keep the town safe.
  Why not give peacekeepers more power?  No government around the world wants them to have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When people think of UN failures, we usually think of peacekeeping missions.  A crisis erupts, the world gets outraged, a peacekeeping force is assembled and then they&#8217;re given a mandate which allows them to shoot dirty looks at people when they&#8217;re attacked.  It&#8217;s like griping that the sherriff and the flyswatter he was given hasn&#8217;t done anything to keep the town safe.<br />
  Why not give peacekeepers more power?  No government around the world wants them to have it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=693336', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Lewis</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/kill-em-all/comment-page-3/#comment-693290</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the link in my last post, it was inserted in the wrong paragraph. One more thing did you all know that Bin Laden&#039;s FBI Most Wanted poster does not charge him with 911, because the FBI stated there is not enough hard evidence to connect him with it?
Strange though, the powers that be have convinced the public through the media that he without any doubt at all,w as responsible!

http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the link in my last post, it was inserted in the wrong paragraph. One more thing did you all know that Bin Laden&#8217;s FBI Most Wanted poster does not charge him with 911, because the FBI stated there is not enough hard evidence to connect him with it?<br />
Strange though, the powers that be have convinced the public through the media that he without any doubt at all,w as responsible!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm," rel="nofollow">http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm,</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=693290', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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