VIDEO: Maliki Speech Interrupted By War Protestor
By on Jul 26th, 2006 at 11:58 am
VIDEO: Maliki Speech Interrupted By War Protestor
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s address to a joint session of Congress was interrupted by a protestor, Medea Benjamin of Code Pink. Watch it:
Benjamin shouted, “Iraqis want the troops to leave. Bring them home now.” According to a January poll, 87 percent of Iraqis support a U.S. timetable for withdrawal. The Iraqi President, Vice President, and National Security Adviser have all advocated a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. The latest USA Today/Gallup poll shows that 52 percent of the American people want a withdrawal within 12 months.
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This country is such a disgrace. Ever since Shrub was crowned King by the Supreme Court, this is no longer the land of the free. Hell, at least Mexicans know how to PROTEST in large numbers when their own presidential election was in question. Americans, on the other hand, are TOO DAMN LAZY to maintain a Democracy correctly. It’s over. The “terrrrists” have already won when our own populace is TOO cowardly to hold our OWN government accountable for it’s immoral and illegal actions.
Thanks, pansy-assed Republicans. You played into the “terrrrists” hands EXACTLY as they hoped you would.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:10 pmMore idiocy… just keep beating that same dead horse and now there are T-shirts!
July 26th, 2006 at 12:11 pmDisgracefully done.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:14 pmDie now for peas,
You’re the one’s who are playing into the terrorists hands! You’re tireless efforts to undermine our war efforts and to weaken our nations’ resolve makes you a traitor.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:15 pmMessage to Ms. Benjamin:
Thank you for your courage and strength of your convictions. You speak for me too!
July 26th, 2006 at 12:15 pm#4, Anti-ass,
July 26th, 2006 at 12:19 pmGet your ass over to Lebanon, stand with the UN volunteers.
Do something.
Until you’ve served you have no voice.
C’mon, be an American, fight terrrists over there so we don’t
have to listen to your bs here.
And the traitorous Lieberman was the first one to stand in applause for Maliki today.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:20 pmthe speech had the distinctive stench of the pnac… i am guessing that khalilzad wrote it…
anyone hears who actually wrote it, post it please.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:20 pmAntagonist, you’d probably be taken more seriously in political discussions if you had the slightest command of spelling and grammar. As it stands now, you just sound uneducated and dim.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:22 pm#3. Disgracefully done?
You’re kidding, right?
You’ve got a war killing tens of thousands of people which is the ultimate sign of disgraceful. Immoral, unethical and lots of other adjectives.
Yet you think it’s disgraceful for someone to stand up with a Tshirt on and object to this war.
Thank God there are people such as Ms. Benjamin who are willing to speak to these uncaring jerks in Congrress.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:22 pmWitness bravery in the face of oppression. There in that photo is what I would consider to be a true American. This person should be applauded, loudly, and she should receive full and unabated support.
The only disturbing aspect to this picture, and the only sadness that it generates, is the fact that she is alone. An army of one against the vileness that so many claim to oppose.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:23 pmAnt,
Everything this dumb-ass president of ours has done since 9/11 is A DIRECT AFFRONT TO EVERY U.S. CITIZEN’S FREEDOMS. He didn’t give ONE RAT’S ASS for thwarting terrorism until he learned how easy he could manipulate the sheeple into following him down the ROAD TO HELL (i.e. extreme presidential power/corruption).
If you want to live in a paranoid, terrified nation, move to N. Korea. I prefer my country to respect human rights, the Constitution, to uphold existing laws, not bypass them.
The so called “terrrists” gave the green light to on oppresive agenda sponsered by freedom hating Right(wrong) wingers. Now, go torture something in order to make you feel POWERFUL.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:23 pmTroops should be brought back immediately, but even Pelosi and Reid want them to remain in Iraq forever!
July 26th, 2006 at 12:24 pmJust another disgraceful act of cowardace.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:24 pm#15-Brandi,
I agree, your posts are most definitely the most disgraceful act of cowardice that I have ever witnessed.
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:26 pmOh pooooo, humanist. As you hide behind your keyboard and type out hate messages, lets look at who the cowards really are?
July 26th, 2006 at 12:27 pm4 Antagonist
July 26th, 2006 at 12:27 pmAnti-war does not equal Anti-American or traitor, despite your ranting and raving. It is very patriotic to question one’s own government, in fact it is a duty. Those of against this “war in Iraq” wanted to strengthen American resolve to be a force for justice, morality, and peace in the world. We’d rather “beat a dead horse” than make “dead people” without extremely good justification, which is not the case in this war of choice.
Zimzone,
My aren’t we quick with the accusations! I have served in the US Air Force, and whether I served or not, does not determine if I have a voice or not. The US constitution guarantees that for me. Just what are you doing besides pouncing on comments you disagree with?
July 26th, 2006 at 12:27 pmThat is a really cute protest outfit!
July 26th, 2006 at 12:27 pmAntagonist, normally I would ignore someone who just wants to stir up trouble, but I was shocked to see that you said the protester was “beating the dead horse.”
July 26th, 2006 at 12:28 pmIs hoping for peace and an end to the suffering of all in Iraq–citizens and our soldiers alike–and wishing that we could realize that all of us are connected “beating the dead horse?”
Or are we getting a true window into your violent, irrational thoughts?
[...] was interrupted by a protestor while addressing a joint session of Congress this morning. The woman, Medea Benjamin was from the group Code Pink. Check out the video at Think Progress. [...]
July 26th, 2006 at 12:28 pmOne or the other, Antagonist. Or if you have your own explanation, go ahead and say it.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:29 pmPlease, do NOT allow the vile creatures here to distract from the first brave act of patriotism that has occurred in weeks! Let them wallow in their own bile and fade into the nothingness that they are.
May peace be with us all, even Brandi and Antagonist.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:30 pmOK, gotta go, lunch is over, been a hoot reading all the trailer trash remarks.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:30 pmBrandi-
July 26th, 2006 at 12:30 pmI, of course, don’t know who you are. For all I know, you might have already served in our military.
If you haven’t however, and you are still fit, of age, and heterosexual, perhaps you could further dichotomize yourself from us cowards by enlisting to fight in the war.
I mean, its plainly obvious that you support it. Why don’t you do the most for your country? Enlist!
15 Brandi
July 26th, 2006 at 12:31 pmHow is it cowardice to stand up for your convictions when adverse consequences to you personally can be expected, as the case here?
As you hide behind your keyboard and type out hate messages, lets look at who the cowards really are?
They have perfected the art of calling the kettle BLACK!
July 26th, 2006 at 12:32 pmBrandi,
You certainly do not sound like the voice of reason, or bravery. A coward is someone who is AFRAID. Appearing in Congress to protest BY YOURSELF is by far, braver than anything you will ever conceive of, much less act on.
Cowards tote the line, never question authority, and general get played LIKE FOOLS by those in power.
You are the coward. Your are the brain-dead, fearful, lame-brained citizen that our fore-fathers feared would be detrimental to our Democracy, and they were DEAD RIGHT.
Go back to elementary school and this time, pay attention to your US History and Government teachers.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:32 pmpeas,
You sound like some first year college student–echoing the opinions of his liberal proffesors. You appear to be an extremely angry and frustrated person. I’m sure you’re a real joy to be around.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:34 pmDoubleSpeak with Matthew and Peter Slutsky –
http://www.doublespeakshow.com/2006/07/26/iraqi-prime-minister-nuri-al-maliki/
July 26th, 2006 at 12:34 pmThank you Mrs. Benjamin, you are an American hero.
And Brandi, you’re a Chimpyloving skank.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:34 pm#4 ” undermine our war efforts “
Oh, you mean the civil war that we have to ‘win’? How is that going by the way? How exactly do we win a civil war and what side are we on?
We should just split the country in half and get the heck outta there ASAP. Who gives a crap if Iraq is one country or two as long as they aren’t killing each other? We obviously aren’t there to “spread democracy”.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:35 pmI’ve posted re: activity before, and today is no different.
Interrupting a speech with catcalls or similar disruptions is inappropriate.
Ms. Benjamin certainly has a point. I think she speaks for many in our country in saying “bring the troops home”.
There is a time and place for protests, for demonstrations, for drawing attention to your cause (however, I hardly think attention need be drawn to the “bring the troops home” line). Standing up and interrupting the speech of a visiting dignitary is not the place nor the time.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:35 pmYou all so often say to me that you are doing something, that you are against the atrociousness that your nation has become. Stand up and defend the brave soul who has done what so many have not, publicly display and communicate her opposition to your heinousness.
Realize and identify the hope that this act and this brave individual has brought to you and maybe, just maybe, even use it as the catalyst for more of you to rise to the occasion.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:36 pm#10
Please provide a list of corrections for me so that I can address my mistakes. I’m positively crushed that you won’t take me seriously!
July 26th, 2006 at 12:36 pmAnyone in here who is against Mrs. Benjamin is a war-loving psychotic idiot. You Chimpylovers make me want to puke all over you. You are fascist assholes.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:36 pmThe US constitution guarantees that for me. Just what are you doing besides pouncing on comments you disagree with? Comment by Antagonist
vs.
You’re the one’s who are playing into the terrorists hands! You’re tireless efforts to undermine our war efforts and to weaken our nations’ resolve makes you a traitor.
Comment by Antagonist
The ultimate hypocrisy. Rights for me, none for you.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:36 pm#30. Like I said in #29.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:38 pmInterrupting a speech is rude? Poor baby.
Chimpy and Rove threw out all the rules a long time ago. Interrupting a speech, if it gets Americans to realize that Iraq wants us out, is necessary.
Quit with the bullshit, Miss Manners. We are about to become a fascist police state and its time to take off the white gloves.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:38 pm#36-Chase,
You could not be more wrong. This is the time. This is the place. Not the hidden free speech zones that you desire. This brave soul should be applauded and supported. Your reaction is that of a coward and a fool.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:38 pm#21
The dead horse is the argument that there’s no plan for withdrawl. There is one, and conditions will determine when that will be, not a timetable. Liberals can’t seem to accept that.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:39 pmAntagonist is the traitor. He supports the Chimpy regime which outed a covert CIA operative and her entire covert operation.
Antagonist, you are an ASSHOLE.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:39 pmBrandi-with-an-I: “OK, gotta go, lunch is over, been a hoot reading all the trailer trash remarks.” – - Time for Brandi-with-an-I to get back to working the second show at The Oozing Oyster Emporium and Stripclub.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:39 pmOh wow, everyone thought I was gone, still got a couple of minutes. To begin with I work in support of our troops (oh I know you forgot, but they are U.S. Citizens). A lot of keyboard commando’s here… probablly around 2 or 3, hate spewing, american hating fools who like to see something they hate in everything published, said, or implied. Yes I think its a disgrace for the former WHO member to embarass herself, the joint house, and the U.S.. I also think its a disgrace for you to call here an american hero.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:41 pmGotta go load some more acft. bye
Chase
July 26th, 2006 at 12:42 pmProtest isn’t supposed to be polite! And, if it wasn’t necessary to bring attention to the “bring the soldiers home” view, it would mean they were already home. MORE attention needs to be given to this sentiment, not less. Do you post these opinions just to be provocative, could you find it in you to agree with anything anyone else posts here anytime?
There’s an appropriate time for protesting and catcalls and that is behind an 8′ razor wire topped fence a mile away from any speech or Republican convention.
Welcome to Merica, land of those that think they are free.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:43 pmAnt,
I’m an independent, 40 year old, college degreed, father of two.
I’ll tell you where I live so I can show you to your face how much freakin’ fun I am to be around a traitor like yourself.
If you’d stop trolling this site, you might have time to get a life? Or make some friends who might teach you a thing or two about being a decent human. Then we can work on your sense of American Pride…
July 26th, 2006 at 12:43 pmThere’s no plan for withdrawal from Iraq. Antagonist is a liar.
Chimpy is building PERMANENT BASES in Iraq and has no intention of leaving.
The ONLY reason why the US is in Iraq is to control the oil. Oil is still pumping at below pre-war levels, which is what the oil companies want. They’re making record profits.
Our kids are getting killed in Iraq so Antagonist can drive his gas hog.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:43 pmWe all know that al-Maliki is simply a Bush administration stooge. He’s never going to tell the U.S. to get out.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
July 26th, 2006 at 12:43 pmAn Israeli power grab
Barack in 2008? Let’s hope not
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
Brandi, and Traci, are the same person. She is simply baiting to get a reaction. I would ignore her to be honest. She rarely adds anything to the discussion, and is incapable of anything more then a single sentence. Sadly the right wing posters for the most part, do not want to discuss anything, and prefer to antogonise.
the issue at hand.
One of the complaints of the right wing, is democrats, and liberals don’t stand for anything, however when they do, they are attacked. Antoginst keep beating the dead horse about all liberals being traitors, you will alienate moderates, and disillusioned conservatives, and we can then get this country on track. The neo-con agenda has failed. I for one would like to return to peace and prosperity. I think the rest of the county would too.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:44 pmI gotta ask you, Chase, is this what your want?
“The religious right intends for you and I to live in a country where church and state are united – where only their interpretations of biblical law dictates the law of our land,” said the Rev. Welton Gaddy, a Baptist minister in Washington who heads The Interfaith Alliance which seeks to maintain the constitutional separation of church and state.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:44 pmDo you all see the attempts to turn your attention from the brave act that you have just witnessed. Do not be fooled or antagonized into turning something wonderful into a hate fest.
Speak loudly, and confidently in your support of a true patriot! Let the detractors fizzle out into the nothingness that they truly are.
What a wonderful day for the USA. Capitalize on it!
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:44 pmChase: “Standing up and interrupting the speech of a visiting dignitary is not the place nor the time.” – - “Bush made much of looking into the eyes of Nuri al-Maliki, our third post-Saddam Iraqi leader, and finding him as worthy as he did Vladimir Putin after a similarly theatrical ocular X-ray. This bit of presidential shtick is now as polished as Johnny Carson’s old burlesque psychic, Carnac the Magnificent.”
July 26th, 2006 at 12:44 pmChase, Jim. I have an idea. Go out and rent yourself some Frank Capra movies.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:47 pmAntagonist & Brandi: Operatives of Operation Yellow Elephant.
Back on topic:
Ms. Benjamin had something to say and she said it. Apparently, some in the Radical Right Wing have an idea that Free Speech is only allowed for approved Statements.
Chase, The problem is: This administration stifles protests under the guise of “Security”. IMO, this was an effective protest.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:47 pm#51 peas
Which trailor park should I go to?
July 26th, 2006 at 12:48 pmI would love for you to give me lessons in being a decent human being.
When we’re done with that, I’ll teach you how not to be so deeply affected by opposing viewpoints.
It sounds like a win-win situation to me!
Ant/Jim,
What say, you and me go pop off some rounds at the gun range? I gots me some towels we can wrap around them targets so they look like them folks whose I don’t understand, and therefore want to kill…
God, it feels great to pretend to be a redneck, lowest common denominator American citizen!
July 26th, 2006 at 12:49 pmAntagonist is a yellow elephant too. Go enlist and go to Iraq, you chickenhawk.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:50 pmHear hear, Humanist.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:50 pmAnyone who is willing to do that is brave. If only we could do that for the State of the Union…
Dissent is patriotic. How was this country formed, anyway?
Chase when is the perfect time to protest, when you don’t have to see it in the media? Keep drinking the Koolade – err Foolde.. You’re such a good sheep, now go play with the hurd.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:50 pmAntagonist, I could list out your many mistakes, but what’s the point? If you can’t get “your” versus “you’re” right, how can I possibly help you now?
Sorry, no one should take you seriously. Do yourself a favor and finish school.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:51 pm#61-DieNowForPeace,
Let the hateful consume themselves as they desire, but choose not to join them. Celebrate an act of courage, do not be fooled or antagonized by cowards.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:52 pm“tireless efforts to undermine our war efforts ”
Answer this:
July 26th, 2006 at 12:53 pmHas the “War on Terrorism” increased or decreased acts of “terrorism”?
Of course, while Antagonist is still here, you, dear sir, are the one who is afraid of opposing viewpoints.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:53 pmIf you had simply said that the president does have a plan for withdrawal, that would be a fine way to start a debate (or so I hope).
However, you immediately went on the offensive, calling the protester an “idiot” and immediately insulting all who post hear.
Oh, and I got your argument about the “dead horse.” Not exactly a “dead horse,” but hey, your entitled to your own opinions…
We will all be seeing more protests in the near future.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:53 pmDeath, death, death, and more death. All happening while Bushco have been in charge of things. WAR AND DESTRUCTION. Incredible, really. Heartbreaking, absolutely. Something to maybe think about. We are talking THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS. That, my friends, sums up bush’s legacy – PERIOD!
Abandoned Heroes
The New York Daily News
They rallied for New York and America in the terrible hours after the World Trade Center collapsed – and ever since, thousands have paid with their health. Some have given their lives.
Forty-thousand-strong, they labored at Ground Zero under miserable conditions in a time of crisis, working 10 and 12 hours a day to search for the lost, extinguish underground fires and haul off 2 million tons of rubble. As a direct result, well over 12,000 are sick today, having suffered lasting damage to their respiratory systems.
In increasing numbers, they are the forgotten victims of 9/11. The toll has risen steadily over the past five years, yet no one in power – not Gov. Pataki, not Mayor Bloomberg, not the state and city health commissioners, not the U.S. government – has acknowledged the epidemic’s scope, much less confronted it for the public health disaster that it is.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:54 pmSpeaking of beating Dead Horses… hasn’t Emperor Bush had enough beating the dead horse in telling people of his bringing democracy and peace to the Middle East through constant US and Israeli torture, bombing, occupation, and war?
… You can bomb the world to pieces, but you can’t bomb the world to peace… – Michael Franti
July 26th, 2006 at 12:54 pm#65 Antagonist, I could list out your many mistakes… List out? what kind of English is that Slim? Did you ever hear the expression about those who live in glass houses?
July 26th, 2006 at 12:56 pmMore people should speak out. In fact, no position should be able to get through any speech without being reminded of Iraq, otherwise most of them won’t even address the issue. They want to pretend that Iraq doesn’t exist now that it’s become obvious what a TRAIN WRECK the foreign policy of the Bush Administration has been.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:56 pm#69-justanobserver,
The wonderful thing about the “future” is that it starts whenever you choose it to. My suggestion, or better stated my plea, is that the future begin right now. Let the vile and heinous period of the USA become the “past” today.
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:56 pmposition should have been politician. Damn spell check.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:58 pm#49 – No, I post them out of honest belief that speeches should not be interrupted.
I also vehemently disagree with the idea of “free speech zones”. I don’t think she should be prosecuted (though I wouldn’t be up in arms if she were), but I do think she should have the decency to allow the Prime Minister to speak.
#55 – Of course I don’t want that. I’m not a religous person myself. I, like most here, support the separation of church and state so as not to corrupt either.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:58 pmTo amend Humanists post:
July 26th, 2006 at 12:59 pm“Be the change that you want to see in the world.”
From Mahatma Gandhi
Peace be with you too, Humanist.
I think this is great, but we can’t forget that our world experienced the largest mass protest in all of History just before the begining of this war in Iraq.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:00 pmThere’s a problem when you talk over a speaker: you undermine honest and open discourse.
In a forum where there is a debate, there are rules that prohibit the participants talking at the same time. When that happens, neither can be heard.
Debate the administration on the merits of their policy and the alleged superiority of your own.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:01 pmOnce again – the 32%
July 26th, 2006 at 1:03 pm#79 In debate there are also rules that allow both sides to speak. Bush does not want a debate.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:05 pm#77-The,
Yes, exactly! And thank you for the most kind of all wishes.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:06 pmto bad there were not MORE code pinkers out raising a stink. if so maybe they would of had to shut the meeting down to restore order. where is everyone else?
July 26th, 2006 at 1:06 pmAh, Antagonist, the phrase “list out” is a fairly common, if perhaps awkward sounding, bit of informal English. On the other hand, mixing up “your” and “you’re” is never correct.
Like I said, go to school, learn to spell words like “withdrawal” (not “withdrawl”, which is perhaps a description of how us southerners talk), learn subject and verb agreement, learn “you’re” versus “your”, etc.
Otherwise, you come off sounding very uneducated, and then people will (fairly) discount your political opinions.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:08 pm#79
what happened to debate when both side speak? the reichwinger don’t want a debate. they want it done in secrecy so everyone can line up and take it up the butt like some still are.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:08 pm83. I don’t think getting into these events is an easy thing to do in bush’s world.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:08 pmWell, Die Now For Peace,
I made you a counter offer in #60, and I’m still waiting for you to tell me where you live.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:08 pmGW “Shrub” Bush wouldn’t know a Democracy if it bit him on the ass.
Here’s to November, when the jaws open wide…
July 26th, 2006 at 1:09 pm86
i believe your right and that is the sad thing.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:09 pm#83-bs,
Look around you and mobilize. Accept the invitation that this brave person’s actions has caused to be presented to you. The time to be heard is now.
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:09 pmMs. Benjamin: You (along with a bunch of guys here) are shutting my mouth when it comes to americans. I always have had a bad opinion of you, but then you just made me realise how wrong I was. My only question is…would you have protested if no american soldier was ever killed but just thousands of iraqi cilivians?
July 26th, 2006 at 1:11 pm#91-
July 26th, 2006 at 1:12 pmOf course. Murder anywhere is wrong.
#87-antagonist,
It would seem that DNFP showed the courage and honor that you lack and chose the route of peace instead of your path of hate. I’m pleased to see that you will be traveling alone on that path.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:12 pmDNFP: “Bush wouldn’t know a Democracy if it bit him on the ass.” – - I think several democracies are currently doing just that.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:12 pmInsurgents and U.S. Military Agree: Location of War is Convenient
– Opposing forces see win-win situation in Iraq
President Bush has never wavered from his argument that it is better to fight Islamic terrorists in Iraq than in America — and the Iraqi insurgency agrees with him.
“It is a home game for us,†an insurgency spokesman recently told a group of American reporters.
“Nonsense,†a Pentagon public information officer replied when confronted with the insurgency’s claims of a home-field advantage in the War. “The entire world is a home game for America. We have the fastest, most powerful logistical system ever developed. When our Humvees need some gasoline, we can transport it from the refinery in Houston to a fuel depot in Baghdad in just a few days. If we need it even faster we can airlift tons of gasoline the whole way in big jet tanker planes, which we can refuel during the trip using other big tanker planes.â€
When told of the Pentagon’s response, the insurgency spokesman shrugged and said “we walk to work.â€
—————————————
Richard Galli
July 26th, 2006 at 1:13 pmThe Galli Report – better than news any day
http://www.gallireport.com
israeli drops bomb on u.n observer post and killing 4 u.n. observers. NOTE: an irish army officer warned the israelis 6 times that they are getting dangerously close to the un observers, and obviously they didn’t care. kofi annan said it was deliberate.
they israelis are a criminal regime and don’t give a shit.
90
the one good thing about me is that i make people hear me. i’m out there everyday talking, writing letter the reps. and threaten them with votes. i talk till i’m blue in the face. and i will keep talking. i just want the opportunity to get into a place where she is.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:13 pmThere’s a problem when you talk over a speaker: you undermine honest and open discourse.
Comment by Chase — July 26, 2006 @ 1:01 pm
There is an even bigger problem when dissenting opinions are not allowed to be seen and are hauled away to “free speech zones”. That, more than interupting a speech, can cripple open debate.
What’s more, when those voicing dissenting opinions are labeled “traitors” (see Antagonist’s rants in this thread), well, the problem gets worse.
In short, Chase, Ms Benjamin’s action seem so small compared to what people on the other side have done to stiffle dissent. Not to mention that a protest is not meant to be “open and honest discourse” but to call attention to an issue in order for said discourse to begin.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:14 pm#96-
July 26th, 2006 at 1:14 pmI would too…except that I live in Washington, and we’re liberal enough as it is.
Yes there is ‘a time and a place’ for protesting. That would be ANYTIME and ANYWHERE! The First Amendment does not talk about freedom of speech being limited to pre-approved locations or events. And while some people don’t like it, that’s just too damn bad. Their approval or pemission are not required, as much as they would like that. What are they so afraid of?
July 26th, 2006 at 1:15 pm#84 Slim
Right you are! I did indeed mispelled withdrawal and misused you’re in the second half of a sentence. My apologies—normally I am very conscientious about my spelling.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:15 pmAn overwhelmingly number of Iraqis want a timetable for the US to leave. The Bush administration won’t give them one. Who is it again that is undermning the war efforts? They want us out and are killing us(the majority is no the foreign fighters) and we stay creating more war. Is it our effort to continue war or to stop it? Chase, Brandi, Jason, (insert troll name)?
July 26th, 2006 at 1:15 pmTrue, Chase.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:16 pmIf you are concerned about keeping discourse alive in this country, then you should condemn the practice of Republicans calling dissidents “traitors.”
And I read that you are against the “free-speech-zones.” Bravo!
#96-bs,
Opportunities are not always presented, sometimes that have to be sought or created. I applaud your efforts.
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:17 pm#100-
July 26th, 2006 at 1:19 pmWell, thanks for being a good sport about it!
#97 Gregor,
You said—What’s more, when those voicing dissenting opinions are labeled “traitors†(see Antagonist’s rants in this thread), well, the problem gets worse.
You obviously overlooked DNFP’s comment to which I was responding to. He said—Thanks, pansy-assed Republicans. You played into the “terrrrists†hands EXACTLY as they hoped you would.
I guess you approve of those kind of comments because you agree with them?
July 26th, 2006 at 1:23 pm#99 – Actually, it’s accepted that there can be certain “time, place or manner” restrictions placed upon the right to free speech.
#102 – I think it’s asinine to call people “traitors” or say they are not patriots for their views on most policy positions.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:26 pmI guess you approve of those kind of comments because you agree with them?
Comment by Antagonist — July 26, 2006 @ 1:23 pm
Well, they are right. If that wasnt the case you would be fighting for so call freedom there, right? Instead you are here.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:27 pm#107-
July 26th, 2006 at 1:30 pmGlad to hear your positions.
Although, while there is “time, place, or manner” restrictions, none of them apply to political speech, as the Supreme Court has ruled numerous times.
I guess you approve of those kind of comments because you agree with them?
Comment by Antagonist — July 26, 2006 @ 1:23 pm
No, I don’t, simply because I don’t know what the terrorrists (whoever they might be) expected, and I don’t know that all Republicans are “pansy-assed”.
I do know that the terror boogeyman has been used too, well, liberally by the Bush administration to shut up anyone who disagrees.
And I do know that Bush apologists such as yourself have been busy stiffling dissent by saying that anyone who disagrees is a traitor, coupled with the non sequiturs that dissent necesarily “emboldens terrorists” while “undermining the troops’ morale”.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:31 pmReply to Chase:
Actually, it’s accepted that there can be certain “time, place or manner†restrictions placed upon the right to free speech.
Accepted by whom?
July 26th, 2006 at 1:31 pm#109 – I don’t know what “numerous times” you are referring to.
I am aware of cases where the court approved content-neutral restrictions narrowly tailored to prevent a distrubance of the peace.
In any event, this doesn’t fall under any of these categories. I respect her right to hold her opinion. In fact, I applaud it. I would just prefer she find a less disruptive venue to express it, that’s all.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:33 pmThe Supreme Court, TripMaster Monkey.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:35 pmGenerally, they apply to obscenity for no reason (like putting up a large sign that simply says “f*ck”), what’s called “fighting words”, and threats.
But again, political motivations almost always trump all those, and is considered protected speech.
#112-
July 26th, 2006 at 1:37 pmUnfortunately, I’m also not a constitutional scholar yet. But they’re out there, I just can’t name them quite yet.
And if I had to change the woman’s behavior, I wouldn’t have done it during Maliki’s speech. He’s not to blame for this. Instead, I would’ve waited until one of the Rubber Stampers started speaking. They deserve every bit of it.
How many liberals does it take to change a light bulb? It doesn’t matter, they’ll never see the light anyway.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:37 pm#107-Chase- What part of FREE do you not understand? It’s not ‘Free, but with conditions’, or ‘Free, except for…’ I know you would prefer ‘conditional freedoms’ but, it’s not about what you, or anyone else wants. Free means free. Sorry. Not.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:38 pm112
that is the kind a venue we need to disrupt. why wouldn’t it. if there is a fight are you going to go 5 blocks down and start screaming stop? come on now. you protest to get in the face of the opposition and scream till your jugular pops out.
personally i want to disrupt everything these criminals want/try to do. that is the point.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:38 pm#112-Chase,
Obviously you are intimidated by the brave American’s actions. It is sad that the message is so “uncomfortable” for you that you would rather it not be heard. Get out of the way of the brave Americans. Only a fascist or a coward would not see the monumental logic flaw of suggesting that free speech be restricted. You get to choose your path, I would suggest you rethink yours.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:39 pmI would just prefer she find a less disruptive venue to express it, that’s all.
Comment by Chase — July 26, 2006 @ 1:33 pm
Chese, you seem a moderate conservative. It is possible to talk with you. But, please, dont you find really contradictory to prefer her being less disruptive when civilians are being killed every minute? If a thief brokes in your place, you would call 911 or got to the police and say: Good evening. I wish I am not disrupting anything…
Disruption is what we need to point out war crimes!
July 26th, 2006 at 1:40 pmHow many liberals does it take to change a light bulb? It doesn’t matter, they’ll never see the light anyway.
Comment by Kevin — July 26, 2006 @ 1:37 pm
looks like you talking to the wrong party. the libs tried to bring light. the problem was that the bush cabal have their head so far up israel(sharon,rothchild) ass that the only time they see daylight is when they yawn. pretty soon it will only be one. looks like sharon is in his ‘last throws’.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:41 pmCome on folks, this is just Moonbat-bait to draw you out of the woodwork. Medea and Cindy are just America-hating Moonbats. Sit back, open a tall, cold beer, relax and enjoy the show! Just for fun, anybody want to venture a guess as to how much weight Crazy Cindy has lost on her 3,000 calorie-a-day “fast”? You’ll see her looking rather plump in the pictures you’ll find here.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:42 pm#115-Kevin,
I respectfully disagree. By virtue of the subject of this diary, and the voice that I am hearing arise from the vast majority of the commenters, I would say that Americans are beginning to finally see the light.
But if you wish to continue to hide in your dark corner, do not be upset when you are there all alone.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:43 pm121. Sick, sick, sick. This person obviously has no life.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:43 pmThis entire administration stifles free speech from any source….They hand pick their audiance, check for T.Shirt slogans, bumper stickers and little signs. Even if the person protesting is silent and just shows up at one of their functions they are hauled out, arrested or detained…….How democratic is that..Not…..
Yes we have many peaceful heroes and we must embrace them, support them and stand with them or we all loose…..Bravo to our antiwar protesters……Boooooooo to the Chase’s who promote silence and blind servitude to the dictators………..Blessings…Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:43 pm$19, Anti-everything,
I’m doing a lot.
I also served, but not in the wimpy Air Force.
I’m sorry my military service doesn’e meet your approval
I’m spending my life helping people less fortunate than me.
30 years of finding jobs for disabled people after years of
caring for our disabled amputee Vets.
Good for you—Does that make you better than everyone else? you’re not the only one who helps people. I’ve been involved with Habitat for Humanity. I also share the responsibility of feeding and clothing 3 needy families with about 10 other people from my church.
You see, I earned the right to my voice. I will tell you face to face,
virtually, or shout it from the mountain tops. I will not be intimidated
by you or your Neocon scumbags. I will fight to the death to defend my right
of free speech as an American.
Once you get off the weed and the paranoia subsides, you’ll see that no one is trying to intimidate you.
Who appointed you as the Ayatollah of Ethics?
Oh, frick’n Air Force, right!
Real men are Marines.
Real men defend helpless people.
Real men are hard to find in this mindless bunch of Profit Worshipers.
There, I feel better.
Time to go back to work helping people, not talking to assholes like you.
Comment by Zimzone — July 26, 2006 @ 1:18 pm
More paranoia coupled with some adolescent chest beating. I have no idea what you’re trying to say other than you’re criticizing me for not being a marine. Yes please go back to work helping people…because it’s your Job! I don’t get paid for my charity. Accorcing to your philosophy, that should give me more of a voice than you.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:45 pmJust for fun, anybody want to venture a guess as to how much weight Crazy Cindy has lost on her 3,000 calorie-a-day “fast� You’ll see her looking rather plump in the pictures you’ll find here.
Comment by Cindy Sheehan Watch — July 26, 2006 @ 1:42 pm
Yeah, thats really the issue here: Cindy Sheehan´s weight.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:46 pmMaybe you need to loose your son…you know, just for fun.
Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh,
Joe Lieberman will now surely win his primary.
Bwah, hah, hah, hah, hah, hah, hah, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:46 pmThomas Jefferson is rolling over and over in his grave.
When American citizens begin to bebate a person’s right to free speach, it’s obvious we’ve lost sight of what our country was founded on.
Education people, it’s worth the time.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:46 pm#128-DNFP,
I agree with the concept of your post, but I disagree with one statement. I believe that today, in light of this brave American’s actions, that Mr. Jefferson is standing up in his grave applauding loudly.
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:51 pm121. Sick, sick, sick. This person obviously has no life.
Comment by madashell
Huuumph, maybe. At least you are entitled to your opinion.
But she is a hell of a lot prettier than Ann Coulter.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:52 pmNow if you all realy want somting to get riled about read this!
NEW YORK (Reuters) — A lawyer was arrested late Monday and charged with trespassing at a public mall in the state of New York after refusing to take off a T-shirt advocating peace that he had just purchased at the mall.
According to the criminal complaint filed Monday, Stephen Downs was wearing a T-shirt bearing the words “Give Peace A Chance” that he had just purchased from a vendor inside the Crossgates Mall in Guilderland, New York, near Albany.
“I was in the food court with my son when I was confronted by two security guards and ordered to either take off the T-shirt or leave the mall,” said Downs.
When Downs refused the security officers’ orders, police from the town of Guilderland were called and he was arrested and taken away in handcuffs, charged with trespassing “in that he knowingly enter(ed) or remain(ed) unlawfully upon premises,” the complaint read.
Downs said police tried to convince him he was wrong in his actions by refusing to remove the T-shirt because the mall “was like a private house and that I was acting poorly.
“I told them the analogy was not good and I was then hauled off to night court where I was arraigned after pleading not guilty and released on my own recognizance,” Downs told Reuters in a telephone interview.
Downs is the director of the Albany Office of the state Commission on Judicial Conduct, which investigates complaints of misconduct against judges and can admonish, censure or remove judges found to have engaged in misconduct.
Calls to the Guilderland police and district attorney, Anthony Cardona and to officials at the mall were not returned for comment.
Downs is due back in court for a hearing on March 17.
He could face up to a year in prison if convicted.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:53 pmCAPTION CONTEST:
Free speech abducted.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:55 pmFunny that you mega-ultra-liberalisaurus people, a dying species by the way, make such a big deal about 2,500 troops being killed over a 3 year period in the most hostile place in the world… troops which volunteered to go over there no less.
But you don’t give a crap about the MILLIONS of babies killed EVERY YEAR in America alone, by abortion. Kids who DO NOT volunteer to be aborted. Ususally out of financial or emotional reasons from the mother. 1-5% are “health” related according to NARAL.
You can’t have it both ways.. if you say you care about people who lose their life in an “unjust” way, you can’t kill millions of innocent kids… I say you’re hypocrites who don’t care that you contradict yourselves. But thats just my opinion.
I’m sure you’ll call me names, but care to touch on the slice of NON logic you all enbibe in?
July 26th, 2006 at 1:58 pm#132-Juan,
I would suggest, optimistically, that the caption be: “The beginning of a movement”
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:59 pmThe four patriots of the Bush Reich:
Cindy Sheehan
John Murtha
Tim Rice (NSA)
Medea Benjamin
Thank you for speaking out against the King and criminals.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:01 pmI want to know one thing. If Democrats hate Bush, and the Iraqi war, why are most of the Democratic Senators and Reps. against any impeachment? Why do Pelosi and other major Democrats not work hard to get them out. Right now Senators and Reps. are just saying what they think their people want to hear, in order to ge reelected in November. After November its 2 more years of not giving a rats a**. Sad thing is, people fall for their caring act every year. As one Hollywood Liberal Comedian who shall remain nameless stated “Clinton wasn’t a better Preisdent than Bush, just a better liar.”
July 26th, 2006 at 2:02 pmDr. who: If men could have babies, abortion would be legal.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:02 pmI love this woman. Words cannot describe how much I want to thank her for her courage. She gives me and others like me hope.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:03 pmWhile I don’t agree with the politics of the extreme left, OR the exteeme right, I DO believe in checks-and-balances of a democracy. The ability to show civil discourse in a non-violent manner is a fundamental right of all citizens of the United States. To call someone who disagrees with this administrations policies a “traitor” shows contempt for liberty and freedom.
True freedom is not tied to thuggery and intimidation. It IS tied to freedom of expression, speech, and the human condition. Unless, of course, the powers that be WANT a one party system?
Fear not discourse. Fear theocracy, tyranny, and oppression.
RJ Evans
July 26th, 2006 at 2:04 pmThe “American Heathenâ„¢”
ShockNetRadio.com & FreethoughtRadio.com
#135-David,
Agreed. However, it is time for many more patriots to join that choir. Let you voice be heard and let it be heard publically. The time is NOW to stand up and be counted and seen.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:05 pmMoonbat…you are right. Dont waste any time here.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:06 pm“Yeah, thats really the issue here: Cindy Sheehan´s weight.
Maybe you need to loose your son…you know, just for fun.”
Yeah I guess that’s why when Sheehan fasts in memory of her son, she cheats on it. Reports consistantly state, from even Liberal news sources, that she has refused to accept a tombstone for her son’s grave.
She remembers him? She can’t even lay off a few calories every day for a little while, in his memory. I guess that slice of pizza got to her.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:06 pmDr.Who,
this thread is about an anti-war protester, at a speech given by an the Iraqi Prime Minister, not abortion.
Thankyouforplayingpleasecomeagain.
I am thankful, that there are still people who will take the chance to protest. Standing up to corruption is essential for America.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:07 pmBy the way, protesting doesn’t help the troops there now. How about splitting it up. Instead of working on publicity for Cindy, helping by doing what Cher does? She brings attention to helmet upgrades for troops, which has saved lives. I haven’t heard of one case yet, where a protest, helped a troop in a blast. Does it protect their head, or add padding to their helmet? Or does it just bring a bunch of people together who only picket outside a place for a couple of hours and can’t stay on a fast?
I can’t wait to see Michael “Burger King Loving” Moore after this “fast”.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:09 pmAnonymous…when you loose a kid, you mourn him the way you find more suitable.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:09 pmIf Clinton or a Democrat was incharge during this war, these same people would be supporting him and saying he is “fighting for freedom”. A Republican comes in and they protest.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:11 pmIf a dem was in charge of the war, the republicans would be all over them for nation building, and interfering in other countries affairs.
That was a great kettle/pot/black analogy though Tim.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:12 pmI’m sure you’ll call me names, but care to touch on the slice of NON logic you all enbibe in?
Comment by Dr. who — July 26, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
I can’t speak for the others, but I don’t consider a fetus a baby. Mind you, you make an excellent point as regards the financial situation of people who have abortions. One definitive way to reduce abortions would be unconditional financial support for mother and child until such time as the child is raised and educated.
If it makes you feel better, consider abortions the “collateral damage” of inhuman social policies. Unfortunate and regretable, but amenable to being resolved if you are willing to stump up the cash.
Still though, why not invest your not inconsiderable energies in preventing the deaths of the born, for want of a better term? Like the people of Iraq? What do you have against the “placenta deficient” among us, I’d like to know?
July 26th, 2006 at 2:13 pm#145-Anonymous,
Your hate will consume you but your vileness is there for all to see. Only a coward would choose to attempt to make snide remarks about an individual’s physical appearance in an effort to try to marginalize that individual’s brave message of peace. May you see the error of your ways and correct it.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:14 pm“Anonymous…when you loose a kid, you mourn him the way you find more suitable.”
Ok. I’d set up a fund for upgrades to helmets. Or maybe a fund for amputees or other injured soldiers coming from the war. Maybe, ste up an organization to help ease the burden on families of serving servicemen/women. Anything along those lines.
No, she protests what her son did. I don’t remember there being a draft. Was there?
July 26th, 2006 at 2:14 pmThe dead horse is the argument that there’s no plan for withdrawl. There is one, and conditions will determine when that will be, not a timetable. Liberals can’t seem to accept that. – Comment by Antogonist
Would you please detail the plan or point me to a source? This detail should include what the “conditions” are and what the plan is for meeting those conditions. Please note that these “conditions” must be clearly defined and measurable and should also include the organization that is responsible for determining when the “conditions” are right for a withdrawal. “Conditions” with no definition or no measurable results are paper tigers or more appropriately in this case (I think) just a bunch of hot air. However, if anyone can define what “Stay the Course” actually means, in real terms, then maybe we can actually have some intelligent debate over the best thing to do for America.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:15 pmIf a dem was in charge of the war, the republicans would be all over them for nation building, and interfering in other countries affairs.
Comment by Krazny — July 26, 2006 @ 2:12 pm
No kidding. The shit they hurled his way about Kosovo …. and that was almost justified.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:15 pmPut a tampon in it, Moonbat! Your act is tired, your message is stale, and even your terrorist friends at home and abroad are getting bored with your act. Medea “Whore” Benjamin, go ask your friend, “Sideshow” Cindy Shitcan why she absolved herself of all parental rights from her son, Casey when he was 7!!
July 26th, 2006 at 2:17 pmHumanist, her son signed up for the military. When they hand you an M-16 for your job, you’re not going to be selling girl scout cookies. But, That’s beside the point.
Your son dies in a war. There are undeniable facts. The war toppled a self-proclaimed dictator. He is now being tried. The Iraqis voted for the first time in decades. They voted in, their government. Their leader speaks at Congress, and your friend protests. If I had a son lost, I’d hope that what he fought and died for was going to succeed.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:20 pmShe protests the man who sent her son to die in Iraq, over an ill concieved military venture. Your hatred for Cindy Sheehan, blinds you to the truth.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:20 pmGeorge W. Bush on Kosovo, 4/9/99:
“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.â€
George W. Bush, 6/5/99 “I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.â€
Good grief with a hypocritical ass. He shouldn’t be allowed to speak about Iraq without having to explain this inconsistency. Every. Single. Time.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:21 pmPut a tampon in it, Moonbat! Your act is tired, your message is stale, and even your terrorist friends at home and abroad are getting bored with your act. Medea “Whore†Benjamin, go ask your friend, “Sideshow†Cindy Shitcan why she absolved herself of all parental rights from her son, Casey when he was 7!!
I think Hannity had several illegitimate children and this guy is one of them! LOL! On second thought… No. Not a kid, a mind clone! What’s up with the extreme right? Can they not form their OWN opinions? Ah… the latest in mind control software brought to you by Haliburton!
Just a thought.
RJ Evans
July 26th, 2006 at 2:23 pmThe “American Heathenâ„¢”
ShockNetRadio.com & FreethoughtRadio.com
Sparhawk, you don’t like the plan that was set out, as I can see. You have a lot of qualifications that this plan MUST meet. I ask you to set out a plan for me, for your plan in Iraq, as we are already there. I only have 2 qualifications it must meet. 1. We shouldn’t be there, is not acceptable. We ARE there now. 2. Immediate withdrawel is not ok in the plan. Ok, go.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:23 pmModerated by Admin.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:24 pmIf Clinton had done all the things Bush had done, the Republican Congress would have impeached him already.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:24 pmHe is now being tried. The Iraqis voted for the first time in decades. They voted in, their government.
That is wonderful, really, but nothing that hasn’t been accomplished before without killing tens of thousands, destroying billions of dollars of infrastructure and still leaving the outcome uncertain.
Plus, lets by coldly calculating and rational about it. Under Saddam, Iraqis were kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered. Since we removed him, people are still being kidnapped, raped, tortured, and murdered. Plus now they have no electricity, sewage treatment, or jobs. I’d call that a net loss.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:26 pm#153
Would you please detail the plan or point me to a source? This detail should include what the “conditions†are and what the plan is for meeting those conditions. Please note that these “conditions†must be clearly defined and measurable and should also include the organization that is responsible for determining when the “conditions†are right for a withdrawal. “Conditions†with no definition or no measurable results are paper tigers or more appropriately in this case (I think) just a bunch of hot air. However, if anyone can define what “Stay the Course†actually means, in real terms, then maybe we can actually have some intelligent debate over the best thing to do for America.
Comment by Sparhawk — July 26, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
Where have you been? Have you not heard it said from the beginning that When the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down? Are you in the position to determine just how effectively the Iraqis are able to defend themselves? I didn’t think so. Don’t you think that the Pentagon is more qualified to make that determination than a bunch of whiny liberals? I do.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:26 pmLook who learned the cut-and-paste function!
July 26th, 2006 at 2:26 pmToo much coffee today, Jojo?
#159-moonbat,
Your message of hate is vile and your lack of intellect is appalling. Your hate will consume and destroy you but your lack of intellect will only serve to advertise how big of a fool that you are. Both issues are correctable and I would recommend that you start on that immediately. However, in the interim, do not let your cowardice be an impediment to the brave and patriotic Americans who are rising to save you.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:27 pm#161 I have the plan you want. We tell our troops to stay there and get shot at and blown up until there is peace in the Middle East. And we pay for the whole thing with borrowed money.
Is that plan acceptable to you? Because that is the plan right now.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:28 pmKrazny, all of your comments against the war in Iraq, I can understand.
Just explain me one thing. According the US Constitution, the President can declare war for 90 days, no more. 90 days after the decleration, Congress must approve the war for it to continue. The people you elected, including Democrats approved it. If it is ill-conceived, why did they approve it? It was known after 90 days that WMDs weren’t as common there as Bush said.
Brian Coughlan, you talk about hypocrysy. Clinton, from those quotes, appeared not to have a solid withdrawel plan. That was acceptable by most including Clinton. Now Bush is in the same position, and Clinton wants one, as does everyone else.
RJ Evans, you mention a lack of individual ideas in the Republican party. How is the Democrat position different from person to person. The opinion is, withdrawel now, hate Bush. By the way, if we all agreed with Bush, the immigration plan and others would be passed by now.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:30 pmAre you in the position to determine just how effectively the Iraqis are able to defend themselves? I didn’t think so. Don’t you think that the Pentagon is more qualified to make that determination than a bunch of whiny liberals? I do.
Comment by Antagonist
Could be, Ant. However, at the moment the Pentagon and the liberals agree: Iraqis are not effectively able to defend themselves.
Now, don’t you think that the Pentagon is more qualified to make that determination than a bunch of cheerleading neocons? Because the right wingers disagree with the Pentagon’s assessment. Right wingers have been saying the majority of Iraq is free and peaceful for the past 3 years.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:31 pmi’m gettin a real kick out of the neo’s that are proclaiming no one should have a voice or speakout unless they have served…..whhhhhaaaaaa….too funny….but, it’s ok for the CHICKENHAWKS to drag us into this crap???….together, they have too many deferments to count…plus our “fearless leader”….hahahahahahaha… yeah he served all right…thank goodness for his daddy pulling strings….when i was in (during viet-nam), i don’t recall awol as credit for time served…lol
July 26th, 2006 at 2:33 pm#87 – Antagonist,
July 26th, 2006 at 2:34 pmDNFP lives on Earth, how soon can you get here?
I swear the park police in washington, dc are incompetent. As far as medea benjamin is concerned she has blood on her hands. She and a bunch of her commie went to jordan a couple of years ago, where inturn they went into Iraq and gave the insurgents a lot of money. I wonder if this was before or after Casey Sheehan was killed. If it was after they have a lot of explaining. As far as Medea Benjamin being kicked out of the gallery there is a law that you can not protest from the gallery it is the by laws of the house of representatives.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:34 pmI wish I could fully explain the actions of the democrats, in continued voting for funding for Iraq. They are caugt in a trap. If they vote no, then they are decried as troop hating anti-american traitors. Not that most democrats are not called this by the extreme right anyway. Look at the attacks on Cindy Sheehan.
In all honesty, I am for getting rid of both the democrats and republicans all together. Both parties have sold this country down the river to the highest bidder. However the dems do less damage then the republicans.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:35 pmDraft young Republicans.
They need a large dose of reality. The world is on fire, which they started and refuse to be part of a viable solution to peace.
Fear, chaos and evil. That’s all ReichWingNuts are good for.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:35 pm#166 Where was that plan when we first went in? Didn’t exist. It was made up after but there is no concrete logistics to it. There plan was to hope that the existing ministries would immediately stand up and that the Iraqi military would provide border security. Problem with that is it directly went against the other portions of the Plan that destroyed the militaries infastructure. This administration has been making up as they go and soldiers lives have been lost because of the missmanagement.
As for an alternative plan? TP has already posted a viable plan. Read it and then discuss.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:36 pmRJ Evans, you mention a lack of individual ideas in the Republican party. How is the Democrat position different from person to person. The opinion is, withdrawel now, hate Bush. By the way, if we all agreed with Bush, the immigration plan and others would be passed by now.
Good question Anon! Actually, BOTH parties are guilty. I was merely addressing the obvious position put forth by the combative. In reality, the constituants (the voters) are complacent and apathetic. Those voters who DO take the time to research issues are few and far between anymore. I chalk that mentality up to PS2, X-Box and “American Idol”, just to name a few. It’s easier for both sides of the political fence to tow a party line than it is to THINK for themselves. If folks took the time, there would probablybe more moderation.
Thanks for the question.
RJ Evans
July 26th, 2006 at 2:37 pmThe “American Heathenâ„¢”
ShockNetRadio.com & FreethoughtRadio.com
God I hope they gave her the Cynthia McKinney treatment! Friggin tool.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:37 pm#170 You’re right. The Democrats share some blame for giving Bush the authority to do whatever it takes to disarm Saddam after 9/11. We need to elect representatives willing to call Bush a liar to his face. Willing to stop him before he does something stupid. If that is your point, it is well taken.
Not that I would accuse a politician of lying… ;) or imply that the President is a politician… it’s just that Bush said many things that turned out to be not true.
But I would argue the real burden is not on the people who assumed Republicans had fielded a qualified Presidential canddiate. It is on the people who voted for a man with no knowledge of history, geography, military strategy, or diplomacy.
In short, you got us into this mess. If you want us to get out of it you have to hand over the controls. Your whining about how we can’t articulate a simple solution to a complex problem isn’t good enough.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:39 pmDieNowForPeace said “Jealous little be-otches!”. Yes, I could see how women would be jealous of a lady whose son was killed.
Brian Coughlan, let me ask you something. I will set up a scene here. North Korea is prepared to launch a Nuke and it is aimed at Los Angeles. The only way we can stop it from wiping us out is to atom bomb N.K. It will kill a lot of people there. It will cost billions. People won’t have sewage or anything else. Is it worth it?
Kermit the Freedom Frog said “Is that plan acceptable to you? Because that is the plan right now.” Great! Except I asked what YOUR plan was, not what you call our current plan. Can you not conceive one? Also, I seem to remember Republicans gaining control of Congress during the Clinton administration at one point. He was not successfully impeached.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:39 pmGod I hope they stake Emperor Bush on an ant hill during the hotest part of a Texass day. He’s friggin fool.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:39 pm#167 Just a little sophomoric humor to demonstrate the immaturity of Medea Benjamin’s (and Code Pink’s) standard MOA.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:39 pmThat was stupid coach coochie the poop pumper.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:41 pmGee got anything that backs up your “facts” there colleen, or just repeating what you heard on Limbuagh this morning. I would like to see the article you cite refeering to benjamin giving money to the insurgents. I realize that you like the world view of all anti-war protesters are pro-terrorist. but prepare to be challenged for making asinine statements.
I understand the law regarding the no protest from the gallery. So she is arrested. I have zero problem with the whole thing. I am glad she protested. I am happy that congress is hearing from americans instead of special interest and think tanks. I am for free speach, but I agreed with the law, that would keep Phelps and his wackos away from military funerals. Should there be limits, in some cases yes. You are still free to have an opinion, you are just not free to express it in some spots.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:41 pmShe and a bunch of her commie went to jordan a couple of years ago, where inturn they went into Iraq and gave the insurgents a lot of money.
Not as much as those footballs of cash Halliburton was tossing around to anyone and everyone.
I bet they didn’t allow insurgents to loot Saddam’s stockpiles of military grade explosives, either.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:41 pmThe very first comment in this column is right on the money!
Grandfather of 5 and I have never seen such a disgrace of leadership except within the Corporate world.
This President and his minority agenda has made us all hostages.
We are here where we are now because of this man as ‘The Fish Rots from The Head’. Accountability for failures is now something of the past.
Those who support this freak… Strap on the flak jacket and put you money where your big mouth is. It will at least save my own grandchildren. Those who support this president should be willing to fight this fight.. of his making. His reality.. Now ours.. On all levels and not just Iraq.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:42 pmBrian Coughlan, you talk about hypocrysy. Clinton, from those quotes, appeared not to have a solid withdrawel plan. That was acceptable by most including Clinton. Now Bush is in the same position, and Clinton wants one, as does everyone else.
Well given that the Kosovo conflict is over, and the US is withdrawn, clearly Clinton came up with something. By all means dig it out and let me know.
However, this is NOW. You don’t get how impossible Bushes position is here? We are not even talking about other republicans .. but the actual man himself calling for a timetable in a conflict that killed hardly any civilians, and no US troops at all.
This doesn’t strike you as dizzying hypocrisy with the Iraq body count we’ve … acheived?
July 26th, 2006 at 2:42 pmAnon,
July 26th, 2006 at 2:43 pmAccording to you, she uses her son’s death to promote her agenda. Now, you choose to lament her loss? Sorry twit, you can’t have it both ways.
#183 see #182. Asking for a plan is useless. Any plan becomes inoperative upon first contact with the enemy. Have you ever heard of that bit of wisdom? It’s not a plan we need, it is competent, knowledgeable leadership.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:43 pm#173
What a coincidence! I live on earth too! When will he be back?
July 26th, 2006 at 2:44 pmWould all the current people who unquestioningly “support our troops” and “their mission” support them if our civilian and military leaders ordered the troops to engage in human wave attacks or similar suicide missions? Just how close to such catastrophic decision-making do we have to get before good-faith critics of our government’s use of our military stop being branded as traitors, commies, etc. The foolish, wasteful (both in lives and money), ignorant manner in which this administration has deployed the dedicated men and women of our military is nothing but disgraceful.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#180-DNFP,
I agree, but I do not believe that they are lost forever. Hatred can be overcome. Let the message of peace prevail and I suspect you will see many return.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:45 pmit is competent, knowledgeable leadership.
Comment by Kermit the Freedom Frog — July 26, 2006 @ 2:43 pm
Also leadership able to adapt to changes, and thus alter the plan as the situation dictates. What we have is a group who is still trying to implement the original failed plan, while more failures are arising.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:46 pmAlso, I seem to remember Republicans gaining control of Congress during the Clinton administration at one point. He was not successfully impeached.
Comment by Anonymous
Because even Republicans could see that impeachment was nothing but a partisan political stunt. But rest assured, if Clinton executed Bush’s war “plan” every single Republican would vote for impeachment.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:47 pm#183 Here’s a question for you. NK has nukes and the Bush admin. wants to be diplomatic. Iran doesn’t have nukes and we won’t speak with them. Pakistan is building larger nuke manufacturing plants and this Administration knows about it but doesn’t talk about it. India wants to go around the current NPT and this administration encourages it. Question, why would anyone believe the “We’ll stand down when they stand up” bullish stance when this administration flip flops on so many things.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:47 pmWow, what a bunch of liberal fruitcakes! You guys really know how to hate your country. You know, Bushco and the rest of us will let you leave if you want to – might even help you pack.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:47 pmit takes just one to start the revolution….she’s like the brave guy in front of the tank in tianamnen square
July 26th, 2006 at 2:48 pm“TP, why heavily monitor the board one day, then let the clutter pile up another day?” Wouldn’t that qualify as censorship and hampering people’s freedom of speech?
I agree with everyone that says both parties are responsible. I’m not saying Republicans are innocent by ANY means. I’m just tired of hearing Reps kicked in the face and Dems idolized. We also need to ask ourselves a question. Did we fail too? We apparently failed to elect Reps and Senators from both parties that are willing or strong enough to stand up to a President.
In defense of Democrats, they would vote to fund the war, so that if we are there, at least we can give the troops sufficient tools.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:48 pm#197 Exactly the point right wingers need to address. They obviously didn’t vote for the candidate with the most knowledge of history and experience in international affairs in 2000 or 2004. They need to explain why.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:49 pmAnon,
July 26th, 2006 at 2:50 pmLook at the post I was referring too (no substance, just fowl language and a personal ad).
That’s not censorship, that’s stewardship, which all message boards should practice.
Actually someguy, I would be happy to help you pack for your one way to trip to Iraq. We can send you your wife and kids, and all the other nutcases over there. Then our troops can come home while you and the rest of the fruitcakes fix the mess you created. Sounds good to me.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:50 pm#161 Antagonist – Where in my comment did I say I didn’t like it. I was only trying to say that I didn’t know what it was as I have never seen or heard anything other than “stay the course”. Since you stated that there is one, you must know what it is so please explain it to me.. We can then debate the plan and my assumed opposition to it. For all you know I may actually agree with “the plan”…I just don’t know what it is.
Again in post #166 you said “when Iraqi’s stand up we will stand down”…what does that mean ???? How many Iraqis must stand up ? What does “stand up” mean (aside from the literal meaning of get off your ass and onto your feet) Again, how do we know if a plan is effective if we can’t measure the expected results. I never said MUST.. I said should. I am a former project manager in the nuclear power industry…I know what effective planning is and I have yet to see this plan to be able to judge it.
Please do not put words in my mouth. Engage me in intelligent debate or stop responding to my posts
July 26th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#200-someguy,
Your fellow citizens do not hate your and their country, they hate the murderous crusade that it is on. It is disappointing that you do not have the intelligence to see that. But do not worry, they will save the country for you. Even while you hide under your bed being afraid of your own shadow.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:54 pm#205
Is that the latest liberal tactic now? Challenge the trolls to go to Iraq? Accuse us of never serving our country? Please! That doesn’t even hit the mark!
July 26th, 2006 at 2:55 pm#201-jason,
Exactly! Now stand up and be heard and seen. Join your brave fellow American and begin the change that must happen. Do not squander this opportunity.
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:56 pm#194 – Antagonist,
July 26th, 2006 at 2:56 pmI could not resist – sorry if offended – neat retort.
#206
You are correct, you never did state your position—I only assumed it. My apologies.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:57 pmYou lib’s are a disgrace, I agree with Traci, I just thank God every day that Kerry did not get elected, he was even worse than Gore. Sheehan has made a mookery of her son’s death
July 26th, 2006 at 2:57 pmAntagonist. Just re-read my first post and I did say must….my apologies for calling you on that
July 26th, 2006 at 2:58 pm#210
WaltTheMan
No offense taken. I figured you were only having fun…me too.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:59 pmIt must antogonist,
it got a reaction from you. I was actually responding to his “love it or leave it” type comment. I have noticed that those who tend to be most for the war, are also the ones who have never served. With the exception of Bush himself, this admin and the talking heads promoting this admin, have never had to serve. Bush’s record is spotty at best.
Telling you to go fight and die, so the US can get on with repairing the damage wrought by the incompotence, and stupidity of the neo-cons seems like a workable solution to me. I promise I will write.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:00 pmHmm I am thinking that reaganite=traci=brandi. Sorta of sad that she/he feels they need to draw attention to themselves.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:01 pmDieNowForPeace, actually I can have it both ways. I can feel bad that her family lost someone and that she lost her son, yet believe that she is as you say “uses her son’s death to promote her agenda.” I don’t appreciate being called a “twit” as I haven’t called you any names.
Kermit the Freedom Frog, of course. If it was an impeachment of Clinton, its a political ploy. Yet with Bush, its necessary and the right thing to do. That’s what I’m talking about. Clinton is immune.
jason baddo, yeah. Except that guy did that knowing they may not have stopped. He lived in a nation that would just kill him in the street as it did. She sits in a lawnchair with a t-shirt and sign.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:01 pmKrazny, guess what! Just about everyone in my family went to war at one point. World Wars, Korea, Vietnam and the Gulf. Most drafted. I’m still a Republican. Vietnam was a bloodbath.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:05 pmWow, what a bunch of liberal fruitcakes! You guys really know how to hate your country. You know, Bushco and the rest of us will let you leave if you want to – might even help you pack.
Comment by someguy — July 26, 2006 @ 2:47 pm
Exactly the kind of fascist rethoric we have come to expect …. (shakes head)
July 26th, 2006 at 3:07 pm#212-reaganite,
Ronald just called and wants his name back. He said that you making a “mookery†of it was unacceptable.
If all of bush’s supporters are as “bright†as you, then perhaps the movement for change will proceed at even a more rapid pace.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:08 pmYes it’s very brave to disrupt our elected represenatives and speech from a man who risks daily death threats and assination attempts in order to try and establish Democracy in his country. Brave? Brave would be to join teh military and fight for liberty, she is nothing but a useful idiot for tyrrants. I’m ashamed some of you are Americans.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:09 pmKermit the Freedom Frog, of course. If it was an impeachment of Clinton, its a political ploy. Yet with Bush, its necessary and the right thing to do. That’s what I’m talking about. Clinton is immune.
Clintons impeachement was a joke. Some girl gave him a blow job and he lied about it!!!
Bush may have lied about issues that have killed tens of thousands of people, many thousands of them Americans!!! The republicans would have impeached the heck out of him for sure.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:09 pmAnonymous,
I let it get a bit out of hand. The comment was not directed at you in anyway. I was responding the asinine post from someguy (post 3200) with pure snark. I am happy to speak directly and plainly on any subject. However if a person posts meaningless crap, I will usually answer in kind.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:09 pmWell done Medea. Great courage comes in small packages.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:10 pmI am an Iraqi freedom vet (USS Nassau MP1 engineering officer. 2002-2003 deployment of 24MEU) . Anybody who supports this war should get off their computer and go to the closest recruiting office or Mercenary training center now!!! If you are too old or cannot fight for any reason there are many companies that will hire you to perform whatever civilian job you are doing right now! Oh, and they’ll pay you three times as much to do it TAX FREE! I resigned my commission effective this month and am taking a huge paycut to wash my hands of the blood I helped spill. If you believe in this war, nobody in here can stop you from going to fight or otherwise support what you believe in. Go now or shut the F&(K up!
July 26th, 2006 at 3:12 pmvisit my site fukbsh.blogspot.com
#223-John,
That brave and patriotic American showed more courage than you can imagine, that’s too bad for you. The fact that you are ashamed of Americans who act courageously, compassionately, and patriotically is a sad testament to your values.
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:12 pm#215
Kranzy,
I only responded to your comment because it was the third time I’ve seen that sort of challenge today. It’s like you guys are repeating some king of talking point.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:12 pmAccording to a January poll, 87 percent of Iraqis support a U.S. timetable for withdrawal.
Once again, TP is selective in the results of the poll to support their argument that we should abandon Iraq. But other responses to questions in the poll indicate that Iraqi’s are thankful that we removed Saddam, that they still need our help with security and they don’t want the US, Britain and other security forces to leave now.
Thinking about any hardships you might have suffered since the US- Britain invasion, do you personally think that ousting Saddam Hussein was worth it or not?
Worth it…77%
Do you think that six months from now Iraqi security forces will be strong enough to deal with the security challenges Iraq will face or do you think Iraq will still need the help of military forces from other countries?
Will still need help of military forces from other countries…59%
Which of the following would you like the newly elected Iraqi government to ask the US-led forces to do after they take office?
July 26th, 2006 at 3:14 pmWithdraw all US-led forces within six months…35%
Gradually withdraw US-led forces according to a two-year timeline…35%
Only reduce US-led forces as the security situation improves in Iraq…29%
Man you commies are really desparate! lol
July 26th, 2006 at 3:16 pmAntogonist=Anonymous? why are you using two screen names?
it isn’t so much of a talking point, as I am daily told I am a cowardly traitor pig, however many of those who seem to be big fans of bush, and suppport what is happening in Iraq, don’t seem to be too interested in putting their life on the line and signing up. For more information check http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:17 pmWhen this woman is taken to the neocon dungeons, brutally beaten and raped and her family executed by the “Bush Crime Family” will you let me know please?
Until then all she is is a woman who broke the law by shrieking at a speaker in the US House chamber. No more, and no less.
All of you people and your silly prattle about the “consequences” of her “courage” to “speak up” in the face of “power” and “risking her personal safety” and blah, blah, blah are nothing short of laughable.
The guy who stood in front of the tank in Tianenmen Square was standing up to a brutal military dictatorship and really WAS risking his life.
Medea Benjamin faces a monetary fine in DC court. Holy Cow, the humanity!
The problem is you people keep telling each other about the “loss of freedom” and the “destruction of the constitution” and on and on and on until you all actually believe it.
Get help.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:17 pm232, commies????????????
July 26th, 2006 at 3:19 pmGet your Nazi scare tactics right it’s terrists now Adolf. That’s the excuse for murder, fascism, and bankrupting our country now!!! Get with it adolf or Ann Coulter will send you to the Eastern front!!!
Rightards hate to be reminded of reality,pathetic dipshits
July 26th, 2006 at 3:21 pmthe best bit, is 2/3rds of Iraqi’s want us out in 2 years, with a %50 margin on whether it should be 6 months, or two years. Less then a 1/3 of Iraqi’s want us to “stay the course”.
thanks for the great statistics hippie
July 26th, 2006 at 3:23 pmI really don’t give a F^(k what happens in Iraq. I want my part of the 300 billion dollars we wasted back!!
July 26th, 2006 at 3:26 pmGod bless A mer i ca and Medea
July 26th, 2006 at 3:26 pmEr, ah, Ms. Benjamin was not “speaking to the jerks” of Congress, she was, er, ah, yelling a non-sequitur lefty phrase AT the jerks of the Congress. But, certainly, I am picking nits. My greater concern is the lack of creativity in the rhythm of the phrase. Viz., dah dut da dut da dut da dah, duh duh duh duhhhhh. Now this is the same old phrasing rhythm (with a minor variation or “pick-up” to accomodate the troublesome word “Iraqis”) that all lefty phrases use. Couldn’t we think of something a bit more creative? Something less 60ish? Howse about a hip-hop version? Ms. Benjamin could add some vocal percussion behind the text, accentuating some words, repeating others. This would certainly update lefty speaker interuption, and may elongate speaker interuption time before the inevitable bum’s rush by the facistos. Hoping this helps. Artists For Whirled Peas (AWHIP)
July 26th, 2006 at 3:29 pmC’mon Medea, you know better than to interrrupt a mass right wing circle jerk,fantasy woman fantasy, …..NOT reality,it makes them all go limp.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:30 pmIt was a s if GW Bush was up there spouting off all of these “wonderful” things about Iraq. Nothing about the horrific reality of the situation. Nice work Medea.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
July 26th, 2006 at 3:33 pmDemocratic hypocrisy: Democratic support of Israeli aggression is stunningly wrong. Wake up Dems!
Only on SSA
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
It doesn’t matter what Fox News says. It doesn’t matter what the rulers of Vichy Iraq say. You Neocons can flap your jaws all you want. It doesn’t matter how bad the odds are for the resistance. As in occupied Palestine, the Iraqis (not repatriated oil company slaves, but real Iraqis) will never give up. They will never be our slaves. They have the honor and the integrity to know that death beats slavery hands down. Like their Islamic brothers in Palestine, they will never stop fighting. That’s the way it is! Yap all you want neocons. Ridicule all you want. Hell, I’ll even laugh at your fu(ked up wisecracks! HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA Iraq had nothing to do with 911. Your party continues to let Osama go free while you occupy Iraq. So how are you getting the “people who hit us on 911?? Just because Iraqis have the same skin color doesn’t mean they were involved in 911 unless you are a fu(king NAZI. Vichy Iraq is dead meat!!!!!
July 26th, 2006 at 3:40 pm#244-CSW,
Besides displaying an absolute lack of integrity and intelligence, you also display a lack of honor and courage. It is most shameful in the light of the bravery displayed by one of your fellow citizens. I highly recommend that you determine how to cope with your fear and self-loathing so that you do not continue to be the ignorant fool that your posting reveals you to be. There are much better paths to take.
May peace be with us all, and may many more Americans follow the lead of your courageous citizen, Ms. Benjamin.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:40 pmThe problem is you people keep telling each other about the “loss of freedom†and the “destruction of the constitution†and on and on and on until you all actually believe it.
Get help.
I thought we were talking about the loss of 2,600 soldiers’ lives.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:41 pmI have to say, that anyone that obsessed with cindy sheehan, most likely needs some good anti-depressants.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:41 pmBring our troops over to isreal and Iran . thats more important ! especially Iran and North Korea ! It is just a civil war in iraq and the Bush adminstration played the fear card to get his way .
July 26th, 2006 at 3:41 pmImpeach Bush !
240 + postings over this. Brought out larger numbers of the far (off base ) righties than usual. I think the pot has been stirred.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:42 pm#244 Very good, now that you feel better about yourself, would you like to engage your political opponents on the real issues?
July 26th, 2006 at 3:43 pmDo you lib’s think Sheehan helps your cause? or is she an embarassment? Would you stand next to her in public with your children watching or would you be to ashamed?
July 26th, 2006 at 3:45 pm#234-Bill,
First, I think it inappropriate for you to post your own deranged sexual fantasy involving this courageous American. Second, you really need to seek professional help and seek it immediately.
I also find it curious that you get your panties in a twist about a person exercising free speech, which is not against your laws, but then roll over and take it like a dog when your own president blatantly violates your laws and your Constitution. You very much need to examine your priorities and address your monumental lack of perspective.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:47 pmJust another frustrated Rush Limpdick fan who can’t get it up either right #244? Or shall we call you ****General Impotence? Bwhahhaahahah Try the boxers, wet noodle.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:47 pmYou lib’s are a disgrace, I agree with Traci, I just thank God every day that Kerry did not get elected, he was even worse than Gore.
Comment by Reaganite
What you mean Iraq would not be the model democracy that it is today, transforming the mideast, disheartening the terrorists and encouraging the moderates to reform their own countries, spreading freedom throughout the world? That is what Bush said he would accomplish…
Are you so happy with events of Bush’s presidency, you would not want a repeat of the tragic events of 1992-2000?
Now explain why you want a president with very little knowledge of history, geography, diplomacy, and military strategy.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:47 pmReaganite (you are a dying breed, btw), care to engage us on the real issues?
July 26th, 2006 at 3:48 pm#
240 + postings over this. Brought out larger numbers of the far (off base ) righties than usual. I think the pot has been stirred.
Comment by justanobserver — July 26, 2006 @ 3:42 pm
Actually it is fewer trolls then you think. I am certain that Anonymoys/Antogonist are the same person, and Traci/Brandi/Reaganite are the same person, with the possibility of a few more names thrown in. As for just about anything posted about cindy sheehan, that is most likely 1 or two posters.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:50 pm#252-reaganite,
The person who should be ashamed and embarrassed is you. Slandering a courageous fellow American is vile enough. Slandering a mother who lost her son to an illegal, immoral, and heinous invasion is a crime against all of humanity. How you don’t disgust even yourself is beyond comprehension.
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:51 pmHoo Ray for the Code Pink girls.
They are the only ones with guts enough to put themselves on the line to protest the insanity that the Bush Admin has brought to us.
But its not really insanity. If one looks past the obvious one finds numerous insiders and johnny come latelys feeding heartily at the DOD and Homeland Security trough. And this looting operation will go on for the next two years.
Who really gives a damn about Iraqis or for that matter, our own boys being killled while these criminals enrich thenselves?
Well, uh the guy on the conservative radio show said she was a “moonbat” and we should stay the course. In another 6 months everything will be better in Iraq and Lebanon and then we can go get Syria and Iran..
Are we really this dumb?
July 26th, 2006 at 3:51 pmA few comments in response to others:
July 26th, 2006 at 3:51 pm1. Public protesters risk consequences, such as arrest, for themselves. Bush risks nothing personally in “his” war or his violations of law which he tries to do in secret.
2. Americans who disagree with their country are still patriotic and lovers of their country and to label them otherwise and “demand” that they leave is asinine. Our Founding Fathers actually loved England and many would have preferred that the American colony remain part of England. However, they could not accept the government of England and threw off its shackles. We, today, must throw off the shackles of BushCo’s government, a regime that his trying to change our country from its roots to something entirely foreign.
3. Democrats in the past took on President Johnson, from their own party, over the Viet Nam War. Democrats complained about Clinton’s private indiscretions as well as some of his policies. Can Republicans make similar claims?
4. I challenge anyway to provide proof that Cindy Sheehan gave away her parental rights for her son.
Chase – Actually, it’s accepted that there can be certain “time, place or manner†restrictions placed upon the right to free speech.
Please be so kind as to point out exactly where it says this in the Bill of Rights?
July 26th, 2006 at 3:54 pmWell Kermit, your a real piece of work, you dont fear Islam at all do you?
July 26th, 2006 at 3:57 pm**FLASH**
Medea Benjamin was arrested.
According to numerous “Signing Statements” and behind the curtain of the Patriot Act the War Time Commander in Chief has directed the Attorney General to her-
Jailed with out cause.
Held without charges.
Renditioned to a country for third party torture.
Refused an attorney.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
Thank you Dick Cheney and David Adddington!
July 26th, 2006 at 3:58 pm#166- Antagonist- You say “when Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.” Given that the Sunnis and the Shiites are currently killing each other, perhaps a new plan would be in order. Or are we just going to wait around, till they feel like ’standing up’?
July 26th, 2006 at 3:59 pmWell Kermit, your a real piece of work, you dont fear Islam at all do you?
Comment by Reaganite — July 26, 2006 @ 3:57 pm
What does this comment mean exactly?
All this murder and mayhem is because you are afraid of something? Not just for the fun of it? Why, a republican who is merely motivated by cowardice instead of the usual greed, arrogance and racial purity.
I’m impressed.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:02 pmReagan-bite,
Look in the mirror. YOU’RE DEAD. Literally.
Therefore, you should fear no man.
What exactly are you afraid of?
Let’s fight the terrorists, not each other.
Have you ever travelled abroad and engaged other cultures?
July 26th, 2006 at 4:04 pmProbably not, it’s too scary.
As a compromise, DNFP and Antagonist should meet at a halfway point based on their home time zones. It turns out that Yangon, Myanmar (Rangoon, Burma to rednecks.) is the ideal site should they split between EDT and PDT or CDT and MDT. Other unstable areas of the world are up for grabs.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:04 pmAre you pink people familiar with BDS? (Bush Derangement Syndrome) Well you certainly should be since you all appear to be suffering from it, along with a serious case of eye-to-rectum-itis (cant see past your assholes) What a bunch of turncoat douchebags.
You should all be taken out behind the woodshed.
Peace..Through Agressive Negotiation.
JD
July 26th, 2006 at 4:06 pm267-BC- I am fearful that my children and grandchildren will be fighting or living in fear if we do not stop radical Islam now, The country should listen to Ann Coulter, as radical as she sounds, everything she says is true, wake up
July 26th, 2006 at 4:06 pmWhat you may not know is that this brave protester , Medea Benjamin, founder of Code Pink, is in her 22nd or 23rd day of fasting for peace as part of the TROOPS HOME FAST vigil in front of the White House. There is a small contingent of Code Pink ladies (and men) who are joining in her fast. That she had the strength to do this is mind-boggling. If you’re in Washington, D.C., stop by to cheer them on.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:09 pm#270-Jay,
A more cowardly and pathetic statement does not exist. And then, in case there was anyone who did not clearly see you abundant ignorance, you finish with a statement that is both logically impossible, and morally reprehensible. If you were not so much of a “nothing” already, Mr. Olberman (sp?) would probably make you one of his “worse” people in the world. Instead you will only fade into the oblivion that your ignorance drags you into. Reverse course, my friend, while there is still time.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:13 pmNo dude your obsessed. You have LDS (liberal derangment syndrome) the slightest mention of anything liberal and you start foaming at the mouth. I neither place Cindy Sheehan on a pedastal, nor attack her as a vile human being. You on the other hand are so filled with hate and bitterness, that you will never be normal.
you better keep the prozac for yourself, you might need it after the next election. I would also suggest removing and sharp objects, and cleaning products from your home.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:14 pm30. Hey Jim, I think you want to use “you’re” as in “you are” not “your”. Do you happen to screw up the whole “their, there, they’re” thing too? How about the “to, too, two”?
July 26th, 2006 at 4:14 pm#271 Reaganite,
Your children will only fear what you teach them to fear.
They’ll only learn what you limit them to accept.
Funny, how church (religion) is supposed to pacify and calm us, when it only seems to make us fearful and kill.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:14 pm#271 – I am fearful that my children and grandchildren will be fighting for oil if we don’t stop the Bush Cabal now. Radical Christianity supports the Bush Crime Family, thus steps need to be taken to separate Chruch from State.
My son nearly died in hot sands of Iraq. He asks “For what? Oil?” ReichWingNuts have no rational answer for this. They must be removed from power. Now!
July 26th, 2006 at 4:15 pm#273 founder of Code Pink, is in her 22nd or 23rd day of fasting for peace as part of the TROOPS HOME FAST vigil in front of the White House. There is a small contingent of Code Pink ladies (and men) who are joining in her fast. That she had the strength to do this is mind-boggling. If you’re in Washington, D.C., stop by to cheer them on.
Amazing! Code Pink rocks!!!
July 26th, 2006 at 4:18 pmThe unhinged right are so appalled by this because they are not use to witnessing Freedom. To be a unhinged righty, you must walk and talk the part and never, ever dare dissent from the GOPig/WH/RNC/Faux talking points. The unhinged hate Freedom, real Freedom, and put their party ahead of America.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:18 pmWell Kermit, your a real piece of work, you dont fear Islam at all do you?
Comment by Reaganite
Why thank you. No, I am not afraid of any religion. I prefer Sundays off, but I have no fear of that changing where I live. Whether people pray on their knees or with their butts in the air frightens me not one bit.
The country should listen to Ann Coulter, as radical as she sounds, everything she says is true, wake up
Comment by Reaganite
Neo-nazis say the same thing. No that’s not an cheap shot, I’m not kidding. They really do say that.
CSW… yawn… ignore…
July 26th, 2006 at 4:19 pmJCGoW,
July 26th, 2006 at 4:21 pmIs/was your son in the Reserves, or fully enlisted?
I’m in awe of people who’ve been there, and return to tell.
A near friend in the Reserves just shipped out for 18 months and his wife is due for their 2nd child in 4 months. He’ll miss her birth and first birthday.
I don’t know how’d I could live through that. Eighteen months…
275,
The only thing “morally reprehensible” is the way the moonbats attack anyone who does not share your point of view, that, in and of itself is “ignorant”.
So how is the “hunger strike” going? hopefully it wont take too long for those engaged in it to perish, and thus attaining martyrdom for thier pathetic little cause.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:25 pmJay, if you’re going for irony, mission accomplished.
I like how you defined moonbat in the first sentence, and then identified yourself as a huge moonbat in the second.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:27 pm#283- JCGoW,
Is/was your son in the Reserves, or fully enlisted?
I’m in awe of people who’ve been there, and return to tell.
A near friend in the Reserves just shipped out for 18 months and his wife is due for their 2nd child in 4 months. He’ll miss her birth and first birthday.
I don’t know how’d I could live through that. Eighteen months…
My son was in Kosovo as regular Army (back in the day). He was then called up as a reservist, sent to Iraq, and returned to the US after a year and a half (was supposed to only be 3 months, but was continually extended).
He said that his entire company knew why they were there: To protect the oil. Actually, his job included ferrying convey’s of “diplomats” in and out of Bagdad during the early part of the occupation.
My son left as a staunch conservative. He returned a staunch liberal.
This is why I suggest we recruite Young Republicans. They need to see what their sainted leader created: This Mess in the Middle East.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:28 pmROFL jay,
Wow jay that was the funniest thing I read in a while. in the first paragraph you talk about how progressives ruthlessly attack anyone who doesn’t stay on message, then in the next paragraph shamelessly attack Cindy Sheehan.
Too funny.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:28 pmYou’re all kidding right? You think that troops drink Iraqi baby blood or go to Iraq for the sole purpose of torturing humans? Get a grip. It’s assinine comments like that that ensure you will never gain political capital. Dems may take power, but it won’t be the ultra-liberal ridiculous hate-spewing idiots that truly think the US military is a bad thing to have, and that we should make peace with war-mongering Islamists that want to kill you just as bad as they want to kill me.
Do you think a Hezbollah guerilla would stop and ask you if you were a liberal or a Republican before pulling the trigger? Of course, you know the answer to that.
As for Ms. Benjamin, she has a right to speak her mind – but she doesn’t have a right to disrupt a congressional session. I don’t care if she stood in the audience and just let people read her shirt, and then berated the Congress outside after session was called, but talking over the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iraq isn’t going to win you any support.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:29 pm#284 – So this is the face of Compassionate Conservatism? Wow. No thanks!
July 26th, 2006 at 4:29 pmResponse to post #7.
“Get your ass over to Lebanon, stand with the UN volunteers.”
I wouldn’t want to be a UN volunteer or UN worker in Lebanon, didn’t you know Israel just killed 4 United Nations workers in Lebanon? Kofi Anon the leader of the UN even said it was deliberate. Why don’y you shut the F*** up you ignorant idiot?
This woman is a brave and courageous Patriot. Bush and the current administration are destroying the Constitution, stealing elections, engineering terrorists attacks like 9/11. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, they all need to be arrested and tried to high treason.
Bush ordered federal agents off Al’ qeada in the months before 9/11 you Bush grovelling idiiots. President Direct Decision WI199 I believe it was, look it up in the Library of Congress.
America is being destroyed, at least some true patriots stand up. While the traitors who need to be tried for high treason wrap themselves in God and the American flag. They will burn in hell.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:29 pmKermit, did you read that post? I dont think so.
Shouldnt you be in a blender someplace?
Clearly you are unable to detect sarcasm when it is put so plainly.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:30 pmThe only thing “morally reprehensible†is the way the moonbats attack anyone who does not share your point of view, that, in and of itself is “ignorantâ€.
You mean like the attacks against Dems and Libs for not carrying Herr dubyah’s water from mAnn Coulter, Weiner/Savage, O’Leilly, Vannity, Drugbaugh, Barnes, Beck, Cavuto, Bennett, Novak, Scarborough, etc., etc.,
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, hyporcrite. The unhinged right…always the victim. You twits.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:31 pm#279 – I am fearful that you will not have any children or grandchildren left. BushCo, Cheney and Rummy will have immersed the rest of the world in fear, death and violence and it will have taken over the parts of our once beloved republic that are not under internment camps run by God-fearing church-lords.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:31 pmTo ALL who keep insisting that peace activists just join up and enlist over there: the cowardice stems from the White House, right on down. There you will find the draft dodgers and armchair generals who dictate everything you and our once proud forces do. Right down to your shallow troll-talking point spewing support of the Decider and his puppeteers.
267-BC- I am fearful that my children and grandchildren will be fighting or living in fear if we do not stop radical Islam now,
Comment by Reaganite — July 26, 2006 @ 4:06 pm
OK, you get a respectful response. Here is a potted history of the unhappy demagougery that you have been sold, and it’s outcomes. Plus a way out of the dark hole you are in.
Islamic terrorists are depicted as omnipotent villains with quite attainable dreams of world domination, genocide, and the obliteration of the United States. For four years, this is what Americans have heard over and over and over from our government All of our plans for the future, dreams for our children, career aspirations, life goals — these are all subordinate unless we stand loyally behind George Bush as he takes the extreme and unprecedented measures necessary to protect us from these extreme and unprecedented threats.
Do you recognise yourself in this mirror?
The American people are not cowards. They are not the ones behind this prolonged state of panic. Americans are prepared to walk tall and fearlessly even with the possibility of another attack, even though we know it could kill thousands — because we know that America is not in danger. We live happily with many extremely-unlikely dangers in our lives, and we reject the idea that America should degrade its democracy just because some tiny extremist groups have added themselves to the list. (They are so far down that list, in fact, that you are 390 times less likely to die in a terrorist attack than in an auto accident.)
Add up all the little bands of anti-American terrorists. They can’t invade America. Or any of our allies for that matter. Or anyone. They can’t hurt our economy — unless cowards in government let them. The only thing they can do is try to get in another suck punch sometime. And yeah, it will hurt. But our country, our traditions, our future have nothing to fear.
That is the absolute reality. Your clear panic and terror is induced not by a logical reaction to the threat, but by the very people to whom you are swearing loyalty.
You have been betrayed, and you should be very angry about that.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:31 pm267-BC- I am fearful that my children and grandchildren will be fighting or living in fear if we do not stop radical Islam now,
Comment by Reaganite — July 26, 2006 @ 4:06 pm
OK, you get a respectful response. Here is a potted history of the unhappy demagougery that you have been sold, and it’s outcomes. Plus a way out of the dark hole you are in.
Islamic terrorists are depicted as omnipotent villains with quite unattainable dreams of world domination, genocide, and the obliteration of the United States. For four years, this is what Americans have heard over and over and over from our government All of our plans for the future, dreams for our children, career aspirations, life goals — these are all subordinate unless we stand loyally behind George Bush as he takes the extreme and unprecedented measures necessary to protect us from these extreme and unprecedented threats.
Do you recognise yourself in this mirror?
The American people are not cowards. They are not the ones behind this prolonged state of panic. Americans are prepared to walk tall and fearlessly even with the possibility of another attack, even though we know it could kill thousands — because we know that America is not in danger. We live happily with many extremely-unlikely dangers in our lives, and we reject the idea that America should degrade its democracy just because some tiny extremist groups have added themselves to the list. (They are so far down that list, in fact, that you are 390 times less likely to die in a terrorist attack than in an auto accident.)
Add up all the little bands of anti-American terrorists. They can’t invade America. Or any of our allies for that matter. Or anyone. They can’t hurt our economy — unless cowards in government let them. The only thing they can do is try to get in another suck punch sometime. And yeah, it will hurt. But our country, our traditions, our future have nothing to fear.
That is the absolute reality. Your clear panic and terror is induced not by a logical reaction to the threat, but by the very people to whom you are swearing loyalty.
You have been betrayed, and you should be very angry about that.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:33 pm295 – tell the victims of 9/11, or the first WTC bombing, or the attacks on US Embassies, or my friends who survived the bombing of the Cole, etc, that they were just the unlucky few to die from terrorist attacks. You’re an idiot if you truly don’t think we’re in danger here in the US.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:34 pmAhem JCGoW,
July 26th, 2006 at 4:36 pmMaybe you should read some of my OTHER posts… you’ve got me all wrong, war daddy-o.
Or, maybe you’d rather your son STILL be in Iraq? Sure you would. It’s killing time!
Doesn’t it feel good to be misunderstood/represented?
READ MORE POSTS…
Kermit the Freedom Frog
CSW… yawn… ignore…
That’s NOt ingoring. That’s responding! heeeeeee
Krazny
July 26th, 2006 at 4:38 pmI’m not filled with hate. I LMFAO over here:) A little of that bait sure goes a long way! Really, Moonbats are priceless! Question: why are Moonbats better than flies? Answer: because after you pull of both wings, the fun is over. With Moonbats, the fun goes on and on and on and on an……
My son left as a staunch conservative. He returned a staunch liberal.
4 years of active duty did the same thing to me. Maturity, education, and experience are all calling cards of the left. Ignorance, hate, and cowardliness are the calling cards for the right.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:40 pm#298- tell the victims of 9/11, or the first WTC bombing, or the attacks on US Embassies, or my friends who survived the bombing of the Cole, etc, that they were just the unlucky few to die from terrorist attacks. You’re an idiot if you truly don’t think we’re in danger here in the US.
With a straight face, tell the 100,000 innocent civilians (aka: collateral damage) the US has killed in Iraq since the invasion that we are a Christian peace loving nation, that we’re there to bring democracy, and that they died for a good cause.
Tell the world how you ReichWingNuts failed to rid the world of the greatest terrorist of modern times, Osama bin Laden. Then tell the world how you had the 10 Mountain Division stand down when they had Osama cornered in Tora Bora.
Now tell us, what religion did Timothy McVie follow?
July 26th, 2006 at 4:40 pm295 – tell the victims of 9/11, or the first WTC bombing, or the attacks on US Embassies, or my friends who survived the bombing of the Cole, etc, that they were just the unlucky few to die from terrorist attacks. You’re an idiot if you truly don’t think we’re in danger here in the US.
Comment by Conservative — July 26, 2006 @ 4:34 pm
You are in danger. The question is how much danger? The answer to that is not much.
What if an earthquake strikes, or a Tsunami, or a meteor, or the sun goes supernova, or a black hole passes through the solar system and sterilises the Earth?
What steps are we taking to prevent those unlikely scenarios? Exactly. The odds of a poison pen wielding terrorist picking you is roughly the same as the chance of being struck on the head by a frozen hummingbird.
Terrorism warrants focused, well funded police work in tandem with concerted global efforts to address well known injustices. World War III it does not require.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:41 pm.So save your “right†leaning insults for someone on the right.
Yeeeeeeah, riiiiiiiight. If it walks like a righty, talks like a righty….well, it’s a righty. Oddly, O’Leilly and Weiner/Savage both call themselves “independent” as well. Priceless.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:43 pmYou know as an Independant and a respectful person I have refrained from comment on Cindy Sheehan, Partly because because I know the pain of loss and can connect on some level to that issue. However the rest of the moonbats are completely delusional(sic). Do you really believe that the United States is at NO risk of being attacked? You are drinking too much of Michael Moores kool aid my friends.. far too much.
But fortunately for you, you A.) wont see a Dem in the Oval office anytine soon and B.) will always be able to cower behind the blanket of freedom the rest of us provide you.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:46 pmcheck out this crap … two can play at that game
July 26th, 2006 at 4:47 pmhttp://www.giyus.org/
Humanist, You’re supposed to keep them away from the windows!
Now start giving the pills out!
July 26th, 2006 at 4:47 pmare you leftest ever proud of the US Military, your critical of the very people who enable you to sleep nights, I never hear a positive comment about our soldiers and thats a disgrace.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:47 pm298: “You’re an idiot if you truly don’t think we’re in danger here in the US.”
Yeah, and you’re an idiot if you don’t understand that murdering tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Lebanese children creates tens of thousands more terrorists.
Conservative, and Jay:
July 26th, 2006 at 4:48 pmif you want to create generations of terrorists dedicated to the destruction of Israel and the US, then you should support the Iraq war and the Israeli bombing of Lebanese civilians. On the other hand, if you are interested in the future security of the US, you would totally support Ms. Benjamin and others like her who understand that promoting peace, not war, is good for the everyone on the planet — as well as being the only moral position.
Humanist, I don’t know what your smoking but you need to put the pipe down and let it cool off. Are you posting on a leftist moonbat website or writing the script for the next Cheech and Chong movie?
July 26th, 2006 at 4:48 pmOh boy Dr.Matt.. Dr. of what?? perpetual bullshit.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:50 pmFreekin sore losers all of you, get over yourselves already.
Cost of buying an election: $200 million
Cost of illegal war and occupation: $380 billion and counting (not including past expenses on current equipment)
Amount attributed to each dead soldier per government accounting statistics: $250,000
The look on Shrub’s face when impeached, removed from office and thrown in jail: Priceless
July 26th, 2006 at 4:50 pmIt is obvious that there are paid and planted people here voicing manufactured opinions. To you idiots saying support Israel and all the crap you’re saying. It’s fairly obvious that you’re planted and paid trolls.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:50 pmIt’s time to get out of Iraq… Bush decieved our nation with his lies. We’ve already lost in Iraq, so we should stop the charade and senseless slaughter and get out.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:51 pmyea, Brian, your probably one of the people that think you can sit down and reason with these people
July 26th, 2006 at 4:51 pm314: Good thing it doesn’t cost money to be clueless. If it did you would be in serious debt.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:52 pm“I never hear a positive comment about our soldiers”
You are the one who wants them dead.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:53 pmwill always be able to cower behind the blanket of freedom the rest of us provide you.
The only people I see cowering are the republicans and conservatives. The cowering is a partial motivation of all the mayhem for goodness sake!!! They wear their terror and fear like a distasteful badge.
We “liberals” (finally found a label for myself, thanks America!!!) just want the pointless killing to stop.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:53 pmare you leftest ever proud of the US Military, your critical of the very people who enable you to sleep nights, I never hear a positive comment about our soldiers and thats a disgrace.
Comment by Reaganite
The topic is the President, not the soldiers. Stop confusing the two.
Of course, you can explain how we would not be free if we hadn’t invaded Iraq. Go ahead, we’re listening.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:53 pmyea, Brian, your probably one of the people that think you can sit down and reason with these people
Comment by Reaganite
Bush is the one who put our national security — and the lives of our soldiers — in the hands of Iraqis. He said himself the outcome will depend on the actions of Iraqis.
Considering your views on “these people” that is one hell of a gamble, don’t you think?
July 26th, 2006 at 4:55 pm311,
July 26th, 2006 at 4:56 pmThey shouldnt build thier huts in the path of our war. Then they wouldnt get killed.
Or better yet maybe they shouldnt be launching RPG’s and carrying around Kalashnikovs, burning the American and Israeli flags and teaching thier hate to thier young and we wouldnt find it necessary to kill tens of thousands of them.
idiots saying support Israel – Israel is our friend and should protect itself, if the civilians are standing beside rocket launchers, their not civilians, wake up
July 26th, 2006 at 4:57 pmNow, you tell me why Bill Clinton didn’t do jack squat to kill Bin Laden the multiple times he had the thug in the crosshairs.
Comment by Conservative
Nice try, his term is over, your time to attack him has long passsed. But why don’t you ask your Furher der Shrublidite the same freakin’ question. Oh wait, OBL and George Sr. appeared in at least one photo op, so they must have been GOOD FRIENDS.
“Doh”
July 26th, 2006 at 4:58 pmNow, you tell me why Bill Clinton didn’t do jack squat to kill Bin Laden the multiple times he had the thug in the crosshairs.
Comment by Conservative
Same reason Bush didn’t? Or was it the pre-9/11 mindset? Now, you tell me why Bush didn’t kill Bin Laden when he had the thug in the crosshairs. Or why Bush — not Clinton — disbanded the bin Laden hunting party.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:59 pmyea, Brian, your probably one of the people that think you can sit down and reason with these people
Comment by Reaganite — July 26, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
With Hizbollah? No. But killing innocent Lebanese civilians just fans the flames of hatred and swells the ranks of the terrorists.
Are you suggesting a fate similar to Iraq’s for Lebanon?
Under Saddam, Iraqis were kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered. Since we removed him, people are still being kidnapped, raped, tortured, and murdered. Plus now they have no electricity, sewage treatment, or jobs. I’d call that a net loss, and not a template for success.
Consider Northern Ireland, I’m Irish so I have some exposure to the subject. That is how you deal with terrorism. When did the British bomb Dublin airport, Invade the South, blockade Dublin port? Never, because they thankfully are not as daft as the Isrealies.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:59 pmStupid conservatives,
At least this forum is open for you to share your stupidity, unlike Mama Malkin’s or Papa Instapundits.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:59 pmIt would be entertaining to sign up for this threads RSS feed but I think my laptop would explode trying to process the stupidity on this page.
July 26th, 2006 at 4:59 pm“if the civilians are standing beside rocket launchers, their not civilians”
And if they’re fleeing a war-zone and get bombed anyway?
Btw: How many of those Reagan dimes have you bought for $10?
July 26th, 2006 at 5:01 pmFrom the tone of some of these comments, it is quite clear that each of us appreciates the right to express our opinions. Kudos to Ms. Benjamin for doing the same, only with greater courage than us in cyberspace.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:02 pm330 + and counting. the neonatives are restless. #331 how do you think they hone their message? Can’t do that when other opinions or ideas come bursting thru.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:03 pmHundreds of Iraquis die every week, even though 135,000 American troops are occupying Iraq. How much worsre could it get if they left?
July 26th, 2006 at 5:03 pmOr might it just get better?
332.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:03 pmI couldnt agree more.. LMFAO!!
Police work did jack shit with terrorist attacks
Because they happen? This is your logic is it? Are you suggesting that police work is ineffectual when it comes to crime, because, as you may be aware …Crime also happens.
Or perhaps that traffic policing should be abandoned in favour of tearing up all the roads? Because traffic violations occur despite all the policing. Ripping up the roads would be a guaranteed solution ..
July 26th, 2006 at 5:04 pmLOL as usual the trolls have delusions of adequacy. Sorry Mr. I am so obsessed with Cindy Sheehan, because secretly I want to sleep with her. You are not making for very good bait. LOL you are good for a laugh anyway. Like I said before you better keep the prozac, you and the rest will need it badly.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:05 pm340 – Yes, because they happen. How do you investigate, track down, arrest, and prosecute a dead martyr?
July 26th, 2006 at 5:07 pmJune, go wash dishes
July 26th, 2006 at 5:07 pmJuan C is an idiot too. Have you talked to engineers or firefighters who were there? I have. Have you read the reports from the investigators? I have. The towers came down because of the impact of the jets and the heat that weakened the steel. Floors aren’t made to withstand other floors falling onto them. Or large jetliners running into them.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:09 pm340 – Yes, because they happen. How do you investigate, track down, arrest, and prosecute a dead martyr?
Comment by Conservative — July 26, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
How indeed. This is the 21st century you know. The British were tracking down bomb builders with forensics in the 1970’s who didn’t even have the decency to leave a body on the scene.
C’mon that was just a lame question, you can do better.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:10 pmSome food for the moonbats
July 26th, 2006 at 5:11 pmI think you meant Juan. And I think your brigh intellect just came up with the idea of me being a mexican, therefore I have to wash dishes in some crappy restorant.
Hows that fear going into your daily life?
July 26th, 2006 at 5:11 pmare you leftest ever proud of the US Military, your critical of the very people who enable you to sleep nights, I never hear a positive comment about our soldiers and thats a disgrace.
Comment by Reaganite
Soldiers are like guns … they can be used for self defense or murder. WWII == Self Defense … Iraq == Murder.
It has NOTHING to do with supporting American troops… Rush and Coulter tell you those things so that you will think that the left half of America is to blame for the rights inability to act like professionals.
REMEMBER self defense == justice
July 26th, 2006 at 5:12 pmmurder = evil
I’ve just realised. It’s the time zones. The red states are all getting home from work and getting online now …. hence the vast influx of … alternate views shall we say?
Well it’s been fun … but I must to bed. Ciao all.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:12 pmThe Shiite terrorist group has erected a billboard facing Israel on which it placed enlarged photos showing mutilated Israeli soldiers killed in Lebanon.
Some food for the moonbats
Comment by Jay
Exactly what Americans would do if Israel had been unjustly created in the middle of Texas… or are you saying Americans would bend over and let Israel take us up the ….oh wait we already have done that havent we?
July 26th, 2006 at 5:14 pmCSW,
July 26th, 2006 at 5:14 pmGet a life! What a silly, waste of time your pathetic, attempt at escaping obscurity-website is! Are we, maybe, just A LITTLE obsessed? I wish I was your shrink, he/she’s probably rolling in a fine new Jaguar because of you!!!!
The towers came down because of the impact of the jets and the heat that weakened the steel. Floors aren’t made to withstand other floors falling onto them. Or large jetliners running into them.
Comment by Conservative — July 26, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
Even when the building was designed to do exactly that, IDIOT.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:14 pmIts been fun taunting you …
I’ll come over for a visit again in a week or so to see how the whole Hunger strike thing is going..
Support Israel, Support US Troops.. Destroy Terrorism where it lives and for gods sake dont drive thru any tunnels in Boston.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:15 pmReaganite,
If you want a subserviant woman to wash your dishes for free, you should move to the Middle East and join your Terrorist friends there because that’s what they want too, right?
Otherwise, I will only if you pay me $10 or 1 Reagan dime an hour…
July 26th, 2006 at 5:15 pmare you leftest ever proud of the US Military, your critical of the very people who enable you to sleep nights, I never hear a positive comment about our soldiers and thats a disgrace.
Comment by Reaganite
If that suits you OK. If you bought that fairy tale, thats ok. YOu are the one who live afraid of everything. No armed person could make me easy at all. Far from it.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:18 pm#355-Jay,
Interesting that you do not Support Peace, or Support Freedom, or Support Liberty but instead only support murder and attempt to instill fear. Your master is probably proud of you, but you have no idea the price that you are paying. I’m pleased to see that anyone with intelligence and integrity dismiss you appropriately. Seek peace and your fear will go away.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:19 pmSupport Israel, Support US Troops.. Destroy Terrorism where it lives and for gods sake dont drive thru any tunnels in Boston.
Comment by Jay
Have you seen the newspaper clipings from England talking about the zionist terrorists bombing the british boys during the 1930s-40s? Gee I wonder where the arabs learned their terrorist bombing ways?
July 26th, 2006 at 5:19 pm34“if the civilians are standing beside rocket launchers, their not civiliansâ€
And if they’re fleeing a war-zone and get bombed anyway?
Btw: How many of those Reagan dimes have you bought for $10?
Comment by June — July 26, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
Jaun, i meant June
July 26th, 2006 at 5:21 pmAh, just couldnt let that one go
If you had any notion at all of the history of that region(Israel) then you would know that there was NEVER any Palestinian state prior to the creation of one by Israel. Hello knucklehead, learn the history before you open your pietrap.
Death to Hezbollah….Death to Hamas…..Death to al-Qaida scum.
Peace y’all.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:22 pmPolice work did jack shit with terrorist attacks
And yet Bush has turned our army into a police force. Ironic, isn’t it?
Now, police work dismantled the domestic militias behind Tim McVeigh; it stopped the millennium bomber, several attacks on NYC, and the Blind Sheik is behind bars for life. If we did that to every terrorist, what exactly is the problem?
Bush is learning now that terrorism requires a police response more than a military response. Military is great if you want to wipe out a governmen tor country. For terrorist cells, the military approach does jack, only good police work can stop terror cells.
Just look at the “planned attacks” Bush says he stopped since 9/11. Every one of them the result of police work.
Canada’s recent sting operation? Police work, combined with a vigilant muslim community that reported suspicious behavior to authorities. No illegal wiretaps or carpet bombing required!
July 26th, 2006 at 5:22 pmJaun, i meant June
Comment by Reaganite — July 26, 2006 @ 5:21 pm
Now I have to eat my words. Please, forgive me.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:23 pmLet’s see Mr. I am so obsessed with Cindy Sheehan, because secretly I want to sleep with her, has asked me how old I am is that the second to last thing thrown out by righttards, or the third, next I suppose you will be telling me, that I have “daddy” issues, thus I don’t like Bush , and then you will go to the I am a faggot pinko. So I guess that puts you on the 3rd to the last talking point.
At any rate, I think I have done enough wack-a-troll today. I do need to get some work done. good luck with your obsession, I bet you could meet Sheehan if you went to crawford, the next time the boy king takes a vacation.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:24 pmKudos to Medea!!
We will be having Medea on our show tonight if anyone would like to join and talk with her live.
http://www.thepeoplespeakradio.org/upcoming.html
July 26th, 2006 at 5:24 pm[...] http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/maliki-protest/ [...]
July 26th, 2006 at 5:24 pmDeath to Hezbollah….Death to Hamas…..Death to al-Qaida scum.
Peace y’all.
Comment by Jay — July 26, 2006 @ 5:22 pm
Yeah, death to all terrorists in US and Israel too. YOu missed those.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:25 pm#365 you are correct. But there were palastinians living there and had been for many years.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:26 pm367. Don’t worry, Reaganite’s only sexist, not rascist (in public).
July 26th, 2006 at 5:27 pmDeath to Hezbollah….Death to Hamas…..Death to al-Qaida scum.
Peace y’all.
Comment by Jay
Funny you are telling me to study the history considering I have done just that for several years. There was NO ISRAEL FOR 2000 YEARS…. most of the jews left. The Romans destroyed them. Then the Romans were destroyed. Then the arabs moved in. Then the crusades happened. Then the arabs moved back in. Where they stayed for about 1000 years. THEN around WWI the zionists (racists) tried to get England to let them create the state of Israel. They were rejected… because well they were crazy. And then the holocaust happened and Americans felt sorry for the jews in general and when the zionists (racists) started their crap by using massive human trafficing and terrorist bombings of the markets, hotels, and villages of british and arab people the british finally got out and let the zionists commit ethnic cleansing against the arabs. THEN (despite the resignation of several high ranking American officials) America along with the UN tried to settle the dispute by rewarding the zionist terrorism by creating the state of Israel and Palastine. The arabs refused to reward the zionists (racists) terrorism and has been fighting them ever since.
Zionist Terrorism == Dead Americans on 911, War in the Middle East, and America hated around the world.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:30 pmAs a final note, this diary has shown me something that I have not seen coming from America is quite some time, hope. I’ve seen articulate and well considered comments discussing the heinousness and ridiculousness of the actions of the USA and why they need to stop immediately. I’ve seen great support for the brave American who was the inspiration for this diary. And I’ve seen much disgust and contrite embarrassment at the murders that have occurred and are occurring in your names.
Hope is a wonderful thing if acted upon. Stand up and speak and be seen publicly in your objection to the atrocity that is the USA invasion of Iraq and the current USA foreign policy. You can and will make a difference and you can and will affect change. But you must be heard and your face must be seen. And you must be unrelenting. You have my undying support and my sincerest gratitude. Bless you all.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:30 pmThis is awesome. One girl standing up has caused so much fear on the right. closing in on 400 posts with so much venom on on side and the other gaining a foot hold.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:32 pmDon’t worry, Reaganite’s only sexist, not rascist (in public).
July 26th, 2006 at 5:34 pmJune, What does this mean?
LIke I said, there are obviously paid trolls here that probably work for Neo-Con corporate interests, etc, etc.. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumself need to be tried and sent to prison. I guess all you Bush loving idiots also love tyranny and the erosion of the Constition and Bill of Rights… There are actually people here with the screen name “neocon”, what does that tell you? lol. This is redicilous. Poll after poll shows that over 50% of the population believes 9/11 was an inside job. The evidence strongly supports that claim. The Pentagon even admits 8 out of the 19 hijackers are still alive? But they havent said who did it if it wasnt them? So now is it 11 Islamic terrorists who hijacked four 757 jumbo jets even though they only knew how to fly small crop duster planes?
July 26th, 2006 at 5:34 pm[...] Left-wing blog Think Progress has the video. [...]
July 26th, 2006 at 5:34 pmOnce again I see how rude we can be. This lady has absolutely no manners. I guess you only have the right to free speach if Ms Benjamin agrees with you. Otherwise, you get heckled and interupted. But don’t interupt her… your violating her rights! I’m embarassed that an American would interrupt the speach of a president of a friendly Foreign Government for political gain. That is the problem I have with the left… for them the ‘end justifies the means’… as long as it is THEIR means…
July 26th, 2006 at 5:37 pmOnce again I see how rude we can be. This lady has absolutely no manners. I guess you only have the right to free speach if Ms Benjamin agrees with you. Otherwise, you get heckled and interupted. But don’t interupt her… your violating her rights! I’m embarassed that an American would interrupt the speach of a president of a friendly Foreign Government for political gain. That is the problem I have with the left… for them the ‘end justifies the means’… as long as it is THEIR means…
Comment by Proud Army
Can you pass the tea? That George Washington and Ben Franklin are just making me parched! All those rebels rousers need to be crushed! We will let god sort them out.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:39 pmThat is the problem I have with the left… for them the ‘end justifies the means’… as long as it is THEIR means…
Comment by Proud Army
And as long as it does not include MURDER and GENOCIDE.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:39 pmjustanobserver
July 26th, 2006 at 5:41 pmYou are so right. One girl stands up and all the right wing loonies have to go clean there pants out. What cowards they are. they are so afraid to do the right thing because might leave them the least bit vulnerable.
jason do you possibly believe any of the garbage that you are writing
Comment by Reaganite
It is all documented if you dont believe it then go look up all the evidence at
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
google video search 911
youtube search 911
AND then come back here and prove Jason wrong. If you cant do that you are a dolt…
July 26th, 2006 at 5:42 pmIt is a commentary on the times that everyone is so radical in their opinions and rants. It is a commentary on the times that sloyalists blindly follow a leader into the depths of hell, my country right or wrong. It is a patriot who says my county right, I love you, my country wrong, I want to fix it because I love you.
My country wrong, so lets fix it and all be patriots.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:45 pmThe path you should take will lead you accross the room, where you can get the others unstuck from the window. They’re all bunched-up over there and I don’t even want to think about what that looks like from the outside.
And I wish you peace everlasting.
Comment by Cindy Sheehan Watch — July 26, 2006 @ 5:30 pm
40 th floor, mirrored glass-Fools!
July 26th, 2006 at 5:56 pmJack Handy.
Humanist said: I respectfully disagree. By virtue of the subject of this diary, and the voice that I am hearing arise from the vast majority of the commenters, I would say that Americans are beginning to finally see the light.
Thank you humanist, I said that to you yesterday! It is nice to see that you realise too that not all Americans are vile, and yes, they are waking up, thanks be to God, any god!
July 26th, 2006 at 5:58 pmSorta like Dead Iraqi babies for Democracy, no?
That’s what you think of the U.S.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:58 pmThe former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 – calling it “the dog that doesn’t hunt.”
Col. Ronald D. Ray joined Alex Jones for an hour long interview in which he gave his views on a wide array of subjects, including the war on terror, porous borders and the Bush administration.
Ray questioned the feasbility of having a budget of half a trillion dollars a year yet not even being able to defend the Pentagon.
“Half a trillion dollars a year and a bunch of guys over in a cave in Afghanistan were able to penetrate that half a trillion dollar network that’s supposed to provide Americans with national security.”
The Colonel detailed historical examples of the use of false flag operations carried out by the US government, in particular Israel’s attempted sinking of the USS Liberty, which LBJ allowed to happen in an effort to blame Egypt and kickstart a war.
Ray highlighted the existence of Project Bojinka and the fact that Bush administration officials claimed ignorance of a plot to attack the World Trade Center with planes despite limitless precursors to suggest otherwise.
Ray dismised the validity of the assertion that the Bush administration is fighting a genuine war on terror.
“If the war on terror is real then the first thing that would have happened within a matter of weeks after 9/11 would have been we’d have closed the borders off.”
“You have no national security if your borders are not secure.”
July 26th, 2006 at 5:58 pmWingnuts, are you taking the same position vis a vis Iraq that supporters of King George did in England when real patriots fought here for real independence? Many of our nation’s colonists even supported the Crown, for exactly the “my country, right or wrong” reasons you all use to justify yourselves and attack the reality-based world at large. Like it or not, the Authoritarianism that you honestly believe “is just what this country needs” is exactly the same Authoritarianism our Founders fought to defeat, that we fought against in the Big Wars, and that we loathed in the Soviets. Stop being bootlickers to the assholes with the most money. It’s beneath any/every American.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:58 pmShe’s a damn MoonBat communist.
Comment by EEprom
Ya! All those moonbat commies ALWAYS stand up in their parlament and shout their objections to war! The crazy peacenik commies! Always going on about peace and freedom! COMMIES! WE HATE YOU AND WE HATE YOUR FREEDOM!. ..umm wait…
July 26th, 2006 at 5:59 pmThat’s what you think of the U.S.
I do not confuse this Rogue Administration with the United States of America as a whole, no.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:01 pm#388 – June,
July 26th, 2006 at 6:08 pmDoes that “no” mean ‘not’ or ‘not I’?
That 388 sb 382.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:09 pmAntagonist, I, for one will do EVEYTHING I can to “undermine” this BS Iraq war.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:10 pmExposing 9/11 as an inside job, is the only way to stop our corrupt government in their tracks.
Every American has blood on their hands due to the actions our government in the past two decades. A police state is rising here in Amerika! If the citizenry doesnt educate itself to the true history of our country, we are doomed. The Third Reich never died, it simpy moved addresses. Alex Jones recent documentary, TerrorStorm, simplifies with absolute clarity the false flag operations performed through history to present day, furthering a global agenda to create a New Word Order. That term was expressed several times by satans right hand-man, George Herbert Walker Bush, a man that should have faced a firing squad 100 times over for his absolute betrayal/treason to this country. Ronald Reagon, Truman, Prescott Bush, LB Johnson, Bill Clinton and the current retard puppet, George ‘Duh’ Bush should of been right next to him.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:16 pmOur infotainment media isnt going to cover storys like the Israels attack on the USS Liberty in 1967, the bombing of the FBI building in 95 or 9/11. Its up to the citizens to learn and demand arrests for the current administration and all members directly involved with the last four administrations. Only then will the world see a road to true peace.
#304 – Ho Chi Minh,
July 26th, 2006 at 6:17 pmAs I see it, if 100% of all voters vote Democratic, we should have a 45% representation of Democrats in the House and two or three fewer seats in the Senate – Joe Lieberman is safe there.
Chase, interrupting a speech is EXACTLY the right time to PROTEST! What are YOU.. a SHEEPLE?
July 26th, 2006 at 6:18 pmI normally try to steer clear of conspiracy theories but this 9-11 thing definitly needs to be really investigated properly. many things just don’t add up. like Newtons laws of gravity for instance. Any group of people that can justify torture so easily as this administration are capable of anything
July 26th, 2006 at 6:19 pmThese posts are coming and going more rapidly than a speeding bullet (Where have I heard that before?).
July 26th, 2006 at 6:22 pmAfter quelling this outburst, the Republican led congress probably all crawled into their 8000 lb. SUVs and went to have a nice lunch, at taxpayers expense, while the casualties mount in Iraq, gas goes above 3 dollars a gallon, war breaks out in other locations. After contemplating these things for a moment, they probably asked, what’s for dessert.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:23 pmWalt,
Some War apologist was alleging that the left believes the Ends justifies the means and I flipped it around and showed them how much more dire the consequences of the Bush Administration’s policy of the means being Dead Iraqi Babies justifying “Democracy” has become.
I was asked if that’s what I thought of the U.S. and it is not. That is what I think of this Rogue Administration.
(So, I guess the answer is “not I”.)
July 26th, 2006 at 6:28 pmManners are really moot at this point. If protestors were given their right to free speech, and politicians didn’t insulate themselves from protests, there would be no need to avoid “manners”. Since when did manners ever come into the equation with this administration? How about those manners when GW gave the German Chancellor a back massage? How about those manners when Cheney tells people to go f*ck themselves and shoots old men in the face? How about manners when Rummy laughs at people who ask him questions? How about manners when any politician avoids answering a question? How about manners when Bolton threw a stapler at a subordinate? Is there a polite way of invading a country and killing innocent people? Do the Abu Graib guards have manners while they are torturing others? Do the NSA spies have manners while they listen to phone converstations? Does GWB have manners while eating his meal at the latest G8?
July 26th, 2006 at 6:29 pmWow, no wonder you liberals haven’t won a significant political race in so many years. Most of you guys are a bunch of lunatics…..I feel a lot of pity for you guys.
Meade has every right to protest, but she is sadly misguided and wrong.
I find it amusing that the left claims that the right is trying to step on the civil rights of Americans. i guess you lefties forgot when ex-President Clinton used the IRS to after his political enemies, I guess you forgot when Hillary Clinton was caught asking for all the FBI files of those that she believes hate her. I guess you guys forgot when Sandy Burgler(I mean Berger) was caught stealing Top Secret Documents of the Clinton years from the National Archive. I guess you guys forgot about ex-President Clinton’s Echelon program.
I mean stop whinning and claiming that it is the right, Bush et al trying to turn the USA into a facist state. Liberal politicians have done a good job at this already.
You liberals cry and whine about oil and gas prices, but you don’t bother to point the finger at your left wing politicians who love, adore to tax Americans to death, literally. While an oil company makes a profict of 9 cents on the dollar, the government of the United States, local, State and Federal gets anywhere from 30 cents to 60 cents on the dollar. Maybe if taxes were reduced gas prices wouldn’t be so high, right?
Anyway, I know that all I am going to get is a bunch of hate responses from liberals.
Liberals love freedom of speech as long as the speech agrees with their liberal views, anything else they love to attack. Don’t believe me, go to a anti-israeli protest and try to talk to a Liberal that supports terrorism. All you will get is punches and spit.
much love Liberals and keep on living in your whacky, pretend world.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:34 pmHumanist- I truly am jealous at how you project yourself and thank you for being in control of your emotions. This is my first post, I am not a college graduate, am an ex-gangmember and have rehabilitated my life on my own. Yet when I read the commnets of some of our so called fellow Americans ( Right wingers) I just foam at the mouth and would truly like to digress to my old self but I won’t just yet. This inhumane people our just plain out of touch with reality. The fact of the matter is Iraq was created by the USA with Saddam, and then we tire and take him out. Osama who should be hunted, down like the gangbangers in out neighborhoods, was also assisted by the Good Ol’ USA. I for one will be ready I do not give up my freedoms freely and what these neo-cons forget is that in order to become America back in 1776 we had to lash out at the King. History repeats itself I think out repeat is on it’s way. Keep up the good work and help all the idiots understand because I don’t have the words or patience and would love one round in a ring with any of these trolls, all are cowards; even the ones that did serve and attack mothers who have lost a son/daughter or have one currently there. Once again thank you!
July 26th, 2006 at 6:35 pmJosel Garcia,
How much do you know about history? You claim that Saddam Hussein was created by the good old USA. Wrong, Saddam Hussein was created by his mom and dad…hahaha…sorry, had to do that…anyway, Saddam Hussein was supported by the USA the same way that Stalin was supported by a FDR, a left winger.
If we follow your logic, FDR should have never supported Stalin and the Soviet Union during WWII because this support we gave to them created the Cold War and we know that there were many Cold War wars, the biggest of them all Vietnam.
Also, you guys are full of hate for anyone that disagrees with your liberal points of view, why? I thought you liberals were open minded, compassionate individuals. Why are you liberals so closed minded when it comes to people that don’t agree with your liberal point of views. Aren’t you open minded enough to believe that maybe, just maybe you are wrong?
It is sad to see how much hate for the right you lefties have. If you guys weren’t so hateful, and vile maybe, just maybe you would win more people over, don’t you think?
anyway, this hate that you guys have for the right is another reason that I pity anyone on the left.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:44 pmMan we have gone over the gas tax thing ad nauseum at this point.
Chart here on Gas taxes per state
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp
Back when gas was a little over $1.00 a gallon your argument had merit, but with prices at $3.00+ it is completely false. Gas prices are high, because GW Bush and company are destablizing a region of the world, that produces a huge amount of oil, while at the same time demand in The US, China, and India has risen.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:47 pmComment by ipitytheleft — July 26, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
Pretty worn out talking points there Pity. At least Clinton had manners while he was stepping on civil rights. The Echelon program, can you cite any legitamate references which question the legality of that program?
Can you give examples of a liberal politician taking away freedom of speech from a person?
Who came up with “free speech zones”.
Yes both sides have the haters, liberals are just more up front with the hate, conservatives are more subversive with their hate, and would have their hate appear as something else. Conservatives are better at covering up their shortcomings, as appearances and lies are everything.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:50 pmKranzy,
do you honestly believe that? Gas prices are high because there needs to be more refineries and because India and China are using more gas today than they were a few years back. There is more demand for gasoline, which we agree on this.
As for GW destabilizing the region, sorry, I don’t think there has been a time in history when the Middle East was stabilized, to claim that GW has destabilize the region is to ignore decades of history before GW. IMHO.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:50 pmyou are projecting, I don’t “hate” like you do. I pity you for you feelings of hate and inferiority, but not enough to for me to care about you. Hate if you makes you brave, if it keeps you safe. I have much better things to do with my time.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:51 pm368. Who, besides you, says that Liberals agreed with any of those things that the Clintons may or may not have done? Either way it is irrelavant. We have the present to deal with and you refuse to because of the Clinton. How absurd. Sorry, but I fail to see the logic. If you hate the Clintons so much, shouldn’t Bush be held to higher standards?
I bet you also like to say how much better he is than Saddam Hussein too, don’t you?
If you were really spit on at an anti-israeli (which I doubt) perhaps you have learned the lesson of not asserting that “Liberals” support “Terrorism”.
I would agree, though, that we should not get caught up in Liberal vs. Conservative as much as Right vs. Wrong, but our country cannot get to that point as long as people keep bringing up Clinton.
How are you going to feel in 2008 and beyond when Liberals are still blaming Bush for many of our Government’s failures? Will you feel they are justified or will it take you that long to get my point?
July 26th, 2006 at 6:54 pmTruth,
I am sorry, in the United States, once again LONG before President Bush took office has had three types of speech according to the courts.
1)Protect Speech
2)Semi-protected speech and
3)Unprotected speech.
as for the free speech zones, these have been in existance, once again, LONG before President Bush took office. c’mon now.
as for the Enchelon program, I would suggest that you look into a CBS piece that was done by 60 minuntes that puts the whole program into question.
Also, and I know that you are going to deny this, but the media loved Clinton and they hate Bush.
As for Clinton being polite, please. I will give this to Clinton, he was a great and is a great used car salesman and many people fell for it.
As for an example of one Liberal politician stepping on an American’s freedom of speech, you might want ot come to Illinois, it happens all the time in good old Democrat run Chicago.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:54 pmWho came up the the “free speech zones” Pity, can you answer it. I was NOT suggesting GWB did, but I would bet a Republican Administration did. Now do I have to do the research or will you?
July 26th, 2006 at 6:57 pmPity,
You still didn’t give me a concrete specific example of a Liberal politician taking away free speech from a person.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:59 pmI don’t think it is absurd to bring up ex-president Clinton when the Democrats have him running all over the country to support Democrat politicians running for office, correct?
It is not irrelavent ot bring up Clinton when individuals in the media still interview him and are awed by this used car salesman.
I don’t think it is ridiculous to bring up ex-President Clinton when the left, Democrats are in full force talking about him and how much better his policies were. Sadly enough his policies led to what has happened between Israel and Hezzbollah, his policies allowed N. Korea acquire nuclear technology, in fact he gave it to them. his policies faciliated 9/11, etc, etc.
Clinton is more than fair game as long as he stays in teh political arena and Democrats constantly bring his name up.
what is good for the gander is good for the goose, correct?
and let me apologize if i came in here insulting anyone, not my intention. notice that i have changed my name.
i want to have an honest, insult free conversation, debate, etc.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:59 pm370.“Why are you liberals so closed minded when it comes to people that don’t agree with your liberal point of views.”
Look at the topic of this thread then get back to us on the irony of your ignorant question.
But, to answer:
July 26th, 2006 at 6:59 pmWe are tolerant of most everything accept intolerance.
Clinton took away free speech, Mayor Daley and his alderemen’s doing constantly in Chicago.
and please do tell how a Republican has taken away free speech.
and no it was no Republican it was the courts that came up with the Free Speech Zone.
once again, i am more than willing to have a debate, but please leave the insults, and condescending tones, which yes I came in here with, out, ok?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:01 pmOh yeah, and keep bringing up Clinton, the man still has more power over conservatives 5 years after being out of office.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:01 pmComment by ipitytheleft
July 26th, 2006 at 7:02 pmHate was never mentioned in my comment, so where you get that hate you or your repug friends is beyond me. Me suggesting a brawl is meerly suggesting that some people need to have some sense knocked into them. I knwo you decided to attack me becasue of my education and my admission to my past but that’s fine with me. This really has nothing to do with being educated but more with commen sense. Which the right seem to lack. I might not have the degree you and many others have but I do knwo wrong from right and striving for more people to die is not right. I love the USA and hate to see it diminished just because of 32% of the population. Use your heads and not your heart and you will get far. And no I am not religious, just believe in the good of people themselves. To bad you pity the left because everywhere you turn you’ll find the left. Adios amigo!
Did the courts come up with free speech zones all on their own, or did someone else request it, or push for it?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:02 pmJune….
sorry, your post shows the intolerance I am talking about. You Liberals, as well as there are conservatives out there, but I find more Liberals than conservatives love to insult and put down anyone that disagrees with you. Plus, it isn’t conservatives that claim to be open minded, this is something that Liberals claim to be.
Yet, i find you guys, most of you, not all, but most, completly intolerant of anyone that disagrees with your views.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:03 pmCool, I didn’t know Martina Navratilova was so involved. Good for her to leave behind the tennis court and stand for something!
July 26th, 2006 at 7:05 pmJose Garcia,
perdon mi amigo, pero no te ataque como tu dices por tu educacion. Your post was full of hate. I mean you even admitted wanting to go all “gang banger” on us that support the right, correct? you don’t have to mention hate to show that you are full of it.
As for following my head instead of my heart. That is exactly what I tell my Liberal friends. Follow logic and your brain and not your heart.
Unlike most of you liberals believe, we on the right don’t want war, but believe that war is a necessary evil. We don’t live in an Utopia were everything is awesome and happy, happy. There are countries that want to get rid of the USA and this filling has been there long before GW took office. what are we to do, allow them to attack us and we don’t respond?
no one wants war, but war is sometimes necessary and it must be fought and won.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:06 pm“your post shows the intolerance I am talking about”
Which part, exactly?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:08 pmIs Medea single?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:08 pmTruth, that is one ridiculous comment about Clinton having power over Conservatives.
If we follow your logic, Ronald Reagan has a lot more power than Clinton. Liberals love to bring him up years after his death and years after his presidency.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:08 pmWell done, Medea Benjamin, and Code Pink. You make me proud to be an AMERICAN.
This is what it would be like at EVERY Bush public event IF they were truly open to the PUBLIC!
July 26th, 2006 at 7:08 pm“allow them to attack us and we don’t respond? ”
You’re not trying to link Iraq to 9/11, now are you?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:09 pmIraq was a foolish and unneeded war. We could have fought the extremists who caused 9/11, and protected ourselves without ever entering the country.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:11 pm“If we follow your logic, Ronald Reagan has a lot more power than Clinton. Liberals love to bring him up years after his death and years after his presidency. ”
First you bring up Clinton then said that Liberals are the ones who bring up Clinton, then out of nowhere you bring up Reagan and now accuse Liberals of bringing up Clinton… project much? What’s the deal?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:15 pmCorrection (not that it matters):
“If we follow your logic, Ronald Reagan has a lot more power than Clinton. Liberals love to bring him up years after his death and years after his presidency. â€
First you bring up Clinton then said that Liberals are the ones who bring up Clinton, then out of nowhere you bring up Reagan and now accuse Liberals of bringing up Reagan… project much? What’s the deal?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:16 pmTo the guy who said, “You’re the one’s who are playing into the terrorists hands! You’re tireless efforts to undermine our war efforts and to weaken our nations’ resolve makes you a traitor.”
Well, not exactly; it’s doing things like outing undercover operatives for nothing more than political gain that makes you a traitor. Get it?
Your president is a failure, captain of the worst foreign policy in the history of the nation. A man, who proudly crowed that he had no understanding of international affairs is now leading us in to a war without end. If you’re still thinking about voting Republican, you’re a contemptible fool.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:18 pm#371 – Krazny,
July 26th, 2006 at 7:19 pmI live in northern Florida and whenever I hit Jax, I continue up to Exit 1 or 3 in Georgia (I95). The gas tax advantage is about a tradeoff,but my shopping realm is expanded and I pay Georgia instead of Florida sales tax. For Florida, it is a double bummer.
June, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but Hussein was providing help to terrorist groups around the Middle East. I hope you don’t den this.
And projecting, what?
As I said it is fair game to talk about Clinton since the Liberals, Democrat politicians do it all the time!
and bringing up Ronald Reagan was to counter Truth’s logic.
or are you liberals the only ones that are allowed to say that a President of your party has so much power over the oppossite party because he is constanly brought up?
Reagan is brought up by Liberals as much as Clinton is brought up by Conservatives, get it?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:19 pmilistentotheleft
You seem to confuse frustration with the right and slapping on some gloves to go a couple of rounds with HATE. HATE is what is done when one does not and can not stand another. I do not project hate but when one attacks the mother of an honorable officer that was killed because of some lunatic President and his cohorts idea to take us to war, that was hate. My response was you don’t want to fight a war then but some gloves on and box, no hate involved there. My commnet about reverting regards the upcomeing revolution if our leaders don’t get moving. Comprendes a hora?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:20 pmWroking on a FREE MEDEA, FREE IRAQ t-shirt now… will be available shortly at http://cafepress.com/peaceangel. Profits go to CODE PINK.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:21 pmIraq was not a foolish war, it was the right war at the right time. Hussein had the world in his pocket as it has been proven. he was paying off the French, the Russinas, Germans, the United Nations, etc.
I find it incredible that Hollyweirds and many on the left are all of the USA to go full force into Darfur, but are against the Iraq War. There were horrific human right abuses going on under the Hussein regime. Are Iraqis less human beings than the citizens of Darfur?
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July 26th, 2006 at 7:22 pmi want to have an honest, insult free conversation, debate, etc.
Comment by ilistentotheleft — July 26, 2006 @ 6:59 pm
O,k that is great. Your dear leader is a moron (some trolls spell that maroon), that is talking point one. It is a fact and we all know that. Moving on. People that support a moron(macaroon) or whatever are a$$ hole$. That is dignified talking point # 2. That is also a known fact. So, let’s debate those in a civil manner. That is “the word”.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:23 pmbluedog49, nice to show your hate for those that have a different point of view than you.
but if it is correct what you are sayign, are this quotes from the Democrats wrong? why do you support them if they also lied? hmmm….
“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
– President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
– President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
“We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction.”
– Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
– Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton.
– (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
– Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
– Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source
“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.”
– Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
– Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
July 26th, 2006 at 7:24 pm– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
was John Edwards lying when on a CNN inteview during the Presidential Primaries he said that Hussein was an imminent threat?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0202/24/le.00.html
July 26th, 2006 at 7:26 pmReagan is brought up by Liberals as much as Clinton is brought up by Conservatives, get it?
No I don’t. You said that Clinton was fair game because us Liberals bring him up all the time when it was in fact you who brought him up.
“but Hussein was providing help to terrorist groups around the Middle East. I hope you don’t den this. “
I’ve heard the rumors, but have failed to be shown the proof. Which other countries should we invade without evidence to justify it?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:26 pmilistento the left: Just what brand of model airplane glue r u sniffing?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:28 pmJay’s comment on the US killing tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi children:
“They shouldnt build thier huts in the path of our war. Then they wouldnt get killed.”
In case you forgot, the US invaded their country, when their houses were already there. I’m sure you feel this way about every country in the world – they are all in the path of our endless war, and thus they deserve to be killed.
Sometimes I think you wingnuts must be forgetting we are talking about real human lives here. Either that, or you are truly sadistic and evil.
Jay, I intend to post this quote from you in every thread you show up on, just so people know the depth of moral depravity you represent.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:29 pmJune,
heard the rumors? my goodness a quick search on Google will produce evidence that Hussein was supporting Palestinian families that had children or other family members blow themselves up in Israel. Start there…..
and who ever said you brought up Reagan. Let me repeat myself. Read carefully before you claim that I said things that I never said.
I said that Democrat politicians, right? politicians, are you a politician? bring up Clinton’s name constantly, Clinton is flying all over the USA supporting the likes of Libermann and others to get re-elected. Clinton is still very much involved in politics, therefore he is fair game. Don’t put words into my mouth. I never said, you liberals bring him up……
and you might want to ask Clinton, he bombed the hell out of Serbia, remember? and then he sent in ground troops. he promised the USA that our troops would be back home by Christmas of 1999 and we still have troops in Serbia.
just like in Serbia we had more than in enough proof from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the United Nations that Saddam Hussein was filling up mass graves with his own people. Just like Milosevic was doing in Serbia.
are the Iraqis less human than the Serbians?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:32 pm“We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction.â€
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
Guess what? They did.
All of the other Democrat 2002 quotes were based on the Cherry-picked intelligence that they were given by the Administration. At that time, they felt like they had no reason not to trust Bush. Some of us knew better, however.
You’re going to have to do better than that.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:32 pmIraq IS a ridiculous war. Israel is ridiculous. War is ridiculous. Those of you who believe that condemning the war is not patriotic have clearly gobbled down W’s coolaid. Wake up you stupid assholes. Review history. If it weren’t for people who protested you’d be living under the queen drinking tea instead of mainlining the crap that makes you say the garbage you spew out in support of this administration.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:33 pm#387-ilistentotheleft,
So you follow logic, wonderful, then we can have a conversation.
First off, it is a fool’s errand to believe that ANY evil is necessary. There is no logical basis for a “necessary” evil. Any philosopher or logician worth their salt has debunked that statement before. I’m surprised that you would use it.
As far as your sophomoric statement “We don’t live in an Utopia were everything is awesome and happy, happy”, you only serve to show your ignorance and your problem. A world with peace is a happy place. Evil will crop up and it takes time to overcome it and that is why there is no such thing as a Utopia except in concept. But does that mean that you should not strive for it? Perfection is impossible, but that does not mean that one should not attempt to achieve it. You throw in the towel before the fight even begins because it’s too hard for you. Also, you cannot achieve peace if you do not believe in it.
Then you say that sometimes war is necessary. I would not be a realist if I did not acknowledge that to be true to a certain degree. WWII is a perfect example of that. So is your revolutionary war. But what you see is that the ONLY necessary wars are wars of defense. An offensive war is NEVER necessary. Your invasion of Iraq was based upon an offensive strategy, pre-emption. The reason that no intelligent being, or rational being, or moral being would ever adopt such strategy is that there is a MAJOR logic flaw – What if your reasoning is wrong? The USA has actually proved why such a strategy is bogus and asinine in their invasion of Iraq. The logic is so horrifically flawed that only a fool or a demon would employ it.
Finally, you imply that Americans should stay the course. Your war is based on lies and bad strategy, and your “logic” is that you just continue with it in order to what, finish it? That would be like cutting your finger with a knife and then instead of cleaning the wound and applying a bandage so that it can heal, you just cut your whole finger off so as to finish what you started. That is not logic, that is insanity.
You choose to be an ignorant fool, and that is unfortunate for you. However, many are choosing to do the right thing, the morally correct thing, and you have the audacity to accuse them of being misled by their hearts. Well, my friend, it is obvious that they would be much better off to be led by their hearts than by your horrifically incompetent head. Do you see it another way?
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:33 pmSo, i see no responds to the Democrat quotes about Iraq and WMDs and no responses to ex-Sen. John Edwards interview on CNN in which he called Hussein an imminent threat.
Ho Chi Minh…..(incredible anyone would eve use this monsters name), I am sniffing the same thing that Democrats were when in the late 1990s and early 2000s they claim that Hussein had WMDs and he was a threat that needed to be dealt with.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:34 pmA quick Google search will produce anything I want it to. Sorry, but I still haven’t seen the evidence that justified the United States of America going into Iraq.
Again, you will have to do better than that.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:36 pmHumanist, you Liberals never fail with your sophmoric insults. Grow up and try to debate like a mature individual.
Your post is full of 2 year old insults and it is laughable at best. Try again and try to grow up this time, ok?
your post as it currently stands is not worth addressing or responding to. Grow up and respect those that haven’t insulted you.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:38 pmIf someone who speaks out publicly against war is a coward, what sort of person is brave? Did the meaning of this word change recently?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:38 pm“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.â€
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
Comment by ilistentotheleft — July 26, 2006 @ 7:24 pm
The “listen” part of your tag is not working. They did not invade Iraq. They contained Saddam and it worked. You are a complete fool repeating bull $hit. What happened to our great debate on if GWB is a moron, moroon or macaroon ? Also, I think it is great that you trolls are concerned with rudeness. That is much more important than thousands of people being killed and wounded. You go freaks.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:39 pmComment by ilistentotheleft
So who is trying to get rid of the USA? It sure isnt Iran, North Korea, nor Syria. Unless you mean get us out of their countries… No terrorist, no insurgent, no arabs, no islamists are trying to take over America. If you think this you are the biggest conspiracy theorist I have ever heard of.
Sometimes war DO need to be fought… it is called SELF DEFENSE. Anything else is evil… pure evil. So while you neocons support the Saudis that actively attacked America on 911 and continue to take it out on the Iraqis the rest of us have to ask ourselves… are these neocons completely freakin crazy?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:39 pmThat is one brave woman. Bravo to her. Thank you to her.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:40 pmjune, are you saying that Amnesty International lied about its reports when it claimed that Hussein was filling up mass graves with his own people? are you saying that Human Rights Watch also lied?
I also put up quotes from Democrats that claim Hussein had WMDs and had a running WMD program…are they liars too?
how about John Edwards interview on CNN, also a lie?
it looks more like you liberals want to turn your head from the truth.
I mean this is the choices you are left with, either the left lied under President Clinton and afterwards about Hussein having WMDS, and they lied as much as you guys claim GW did, or they were all speaking the truth. which one is it?
Did Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Albright, Edwards, did they lie when they claimed Hussein was a threat?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:40 pmNot once did Humanist insult you, that’s not his style. You are, once again, projecting.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:41 pm2000s they claim that Hussein had WMDs and he was a threat that needed to be dealt with.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
In the early “2000s” Colan Powell, Condy Rice, and Dick Chenney all said that containment worked against Saddam and it would have been a bad deal for the USA to have invaded Bagdhad back when daddy bush was in office. Are you unaware of this?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:42 pm“Hussein was filling up mass graves with his own people?”
So, everytime I debunk one of your justificaitons you simply move on to a new one… That sure seems awfully familiar.
I responded to your Democrat’s quotes post back in 411.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:44 pmare the Iraqis less human than the Serbians?
Comment by ilistentotheleft
Serbians were commiting ethnic cleansing like the zionists did in the early days and still want to do further.
The Iraqs had Kurds, Shia, and Sunni… they fought with each other true… but they had been doing that for hundreds of years… nothing new.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:44 pmTHANK YOU, THANK YOU, MEDEA BENJAMIN! And thank you too for not leaving politely when they told you to leave. Regaining our democracy is going to take a lot more than pleading with this morally bankrupt entity that passes for government. Thank you!
END THE OCCUPATION IN PALESTINE, IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN AND LEBANON! And don’t vote for ANY candidate who votes for war. This isn’t about Republicans and Democrats, it’s about Empire – do we or don’t we?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:44 pmThe world has facilitated Israel’s continuing crime. As always the muted Arab and Muslim response are inconsequential. UN’s early murmurings against disproportionate response, were initially ignored. Led by the United States the international community has given Israel a carte blanche to do whatever Israel considers necessary to promote its security. This was conveyed by the mild worded G-8 summit statement. Ironically it is a security-starved nuclear-state. It is not held to any accountability; it is not expected to abide by any international norms laid down for inter-State relations. Washington has emerged as the core accomplice in Israel’s devastating and illegal war on Lebanon. It gave Tel Aviv the green light to continue the bombings. Bush has defended Israel’s battering of Lebanon. It is Israel’s right to act in “self-defense”, he says. Washington okays Israel’s bid of seeking security by inflicting mayhem on another people. Surely this is disservice to a close friend. Yet it continues. The attempt to discuss the Lebanon situation in the UNSC was vetoed by the US. The US Congress, the House and the Senate both, passed resolutions supporting Israeli action. The US is reportedly rushing precision-guided bombs to Israel. By preventing any concrete action taken at the UN to censure Israel’s war on Lebanon, Washington has ensured that Israel can continue the illegal one-sided war unfettered. America’s promise of a brave new Middle East is increasingly being reduced to a ghastly joke. The list of blunders is endless. The Iraq invasion, based on untruth has turned Iraq into a death zone. No less than dozens of Iraqis are now dying daily. Yes daily. US has lost 2000 of its own men too. In Afghanistan, the New York Times has finally conceded, all is not well. Its more than Pakistan mischief, there are problems within Afghanistan. Meanwhile all these American operations are costing the US army more than just the lives of America’s best men. Its honor is taking a battering. The gruesome stories of some US soldiers torturing prisoners, many of them innocent, in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanomobay just don’t end.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:44 pmand i see that no one here can take on the quotes from the Democrats or John Edwards inteview in which he called Hussein an imminent threat.
Gerald Gibson, I ask myself is the whacky left full of a bunch of nutjobs?
sorry guy, unlike you guys most of us conservatives will not stand by and allow another 9/11 to happen.
If Clinton (oh no, bring up clinton again)….would have taken care of Osama Bin Laden in the 1990s we wouldn’t be in this bind. If Clinton would have taken care of the Palestinian problem instead of supporting a monsters like Yaser Arafat, we wouldn’t be in this problem.
furthermore, Gerald Gibson only a fool would believe that because Saudis attacked us on 9/11 Sauid Arabia is involved. I mean, I am sure you know that there have been American, French, Australian, English Taliban and Al Qaeda members caught and killed in the battle fields, does this mean we should attack all this nations?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:45 pmilisterntotheleft: The name Ho Chi Minh is hardly monstrous. translated from Vietnamese it means ‘he who enlightens’, which is WHY I adopted it. Besides, during that war, I gained knowledge and wisedom about the folly of war, a war in which I was drafted to be cannonfodder in.–you can also call me Bac Ho(Uncle Ho). If YOU REALLY believe that the Iraq war is right, why don’t you get YOUR ass down to the army NOW?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:46 pmYour post is full of 2 year old insults and it is laughable at best. Try again and try to grow up this time, ok?
Too many Try’s. How many times does he/she get to grow up? BTY, you are a jerk. anyone that allows someone else to think for them is a macaroon. Why don’t you throw out one idea of yours that O’lielly and rush disagree with you on. This should be fun.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:46 pmJune…
sorry, you haven’t debunked anything. Just because you believe it, it doesn’t make it so…..
July 26th, 2006 at 7:47 pmthe most outrageous thing about all of this is that soo few of you recognize the complete obvious. take just one look at the back of a dollar bill, to the all-seeing eye of lucipher, and the new world order implications in latin, and realize that this is a Satanic one world government take-over of the world, to set the stage for the anti-christ. and guess what…Bush, just like Clinton, and Bushs dad before him, have all had the same agenda. PULL YOUR HEADS FROM YOUR A$$ES and realize that our government set up 9/11 for these very scenarios. just like operation Northwoods, or any other false flag operation in history, the elite behind the backdrops of the western empire know full well what they are doing.
it makes me sick to see soo many supporting this satanist, skull and bones member, when he is flat out lying to our faces as he covertly plots to enslave us. and you Democrats need to understand that your party is in no position to rescue us, since they are controlled by these same forces. wake up AMERICA, or you will be fooled into accepting the beast!!
July 26th, 2006 at 7:48 pmMy brother is one of those troops. Thank you Ms. Benjamin and thank you to everyone else willing to do the right thing for Iraqis, our troops and all Americans- Bring Them Home Now and Take Care of Them When They Get Here! This is the only way to reverse the disastrous course of current American foreign policy.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:48 pmJune…
Cherry-picked information? so let me get this straight, you Liberals consider Bush an idiot, a moron, right? not too smart, correct? yet according to what you guys are sayign he was able to con and lie to all the Democrat members of Congress? What does that make Democrats if they believed the supposed lies of a person you Liberals don’t consider to be smart? Not looking good for you Liberals…. please….you need to do better than that.
Furthermore, you might know or not know, but members of the Senate and House intelligence committee receive every bit of information that the President does when it comes to national security. All members of these committees, both Democrats and Republicans knew what Hussein was capable of.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:50 pmIraq was not a foolish war, it was the right war at the right time. Hussein had the world in his pocket as it has been proven. he was paying off the French, the Russinas, Germans, the United Nations, etc.
I find it incredible that Hollyweirds and many on the left are all of the USA to go full force into Darfur, but are against the Iraq War. There were horrific human right abuses going on under the Hussein regime. Are Iraqis less human beings than the citizens of Darfur?
Comment by ilistentotheleft
911 = Saudi leader Osama, Saudi terrorists on planes, Saudi royals sending money to the terrorists in the USA, Saudi “charities” raising money for AlQeada before and AFTER 911, Saudi clerics preaching to their people to invade Israel kill all the men and rape the women…
Pakistan has the nuclear “muslim bomb”, sold nuclear bomb making technologies to Lybia, Iran, North Korea, is harboring Osama himself, their parliament nearly voted to support the taliban instead of staying out of it when America invaded Afghanistan, they are currently ramping up their nuclear weapons abilities.
Iraq… WTF?
Are you people crazy? Just plain crazy? After 911 you are STILL blinded by the crap that comes out of the neocon Bush family (the saudis are out bestest friends) crowd? Iraq was LOW HANDING FRUIT… they were easy to take down and they were not the financial benefactors of the bush family and it was better (in republican think) to attack an arab country ANY arab country as long as it spilled arab blood and was not Saudi Arabia…
TRAITORS TO THE USA…. feel PROUD republicans! You didnt sell out the Saudis to America! Even AFTER 911! NeoCons == Saudis best friends!
July 26th, 2006 at 7:50 pmDid Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Albright, Edwards, did they lie when they claimed Hussein was a threat?
Comment by ilistentotheleft — July 26, 2006 @ 7:40 pm
No fool. You just don,t get it. They didn,t attack Iraq, they contained him. You do have $hit for brains. Saying someone is a bad guy and going to war are two different things. You O’liely drones keep posting this same old $hit. Bad guy gotta watch him and war with thousands of dead and wounded–can’t see the difference can you?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:52 pmJoeFriday….
you haven’t said anything on here, hat I have heard Al Franken, Kerry, Michael Moore, Clinton, Air America, and other Liberals have said long before you.
you might want to follow your own advice and try to think on yoru own and stop the Bushhatebot mantra that has been spewed out from Liberals since the REpublican primaries in 1999 and 2000.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:52 pmilistentotheleft; It was Bush & Rice that ignored a report (in August 2001) titled ‘Osama Bin Laden determined to strike in the US’– and later claimed it had no significance.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:52 pmsorry guy, unlike you guys most of us conservatives will not stand by and allow another 9/11 to happen.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
You already let one 911 happen… how many more do you think we Americans are going to put up with? One more and you bumbling republicans are going to be held responsible… the buck stops somewhere and if the republicans are too imature to own up to their own mistakes instead of trying to cover them up then like all criminals they will have to be forced to account… its called justice and responsiblity.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:53 pmjune, are you saying that Amnesty International lied about its reports when it claimed that Hussein was filling up mass graves with his own people? are you saying that Human Rights Watch also lied?
I’m not , but Rumsfeld sure did. Cheney and the whole crew. All of Reagans supporters called Amnesty International a bunch of liberal hand wringers for taking a stand against Saddam. So now that AI and Rumsfeld are in an argument again, I know who has the better track record.
BTW, your list of D-quotes does not prove your point. Not one says “We need to invade and occupy Iraq.” Nice use of 1998 quotes, without mentioning Operation Desert Fox which effectively disarmed Saddam without ground troops.
Al Gore was against the invasion. Explain that, if you can.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:53 pmJoeFrida,
please get a brain, start thinking on your own and stop spewing Michael Moore and AirHead America propaganda. You are not an originalist. Everythign you are spewing I have heard said many times long before you thought of it.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:54 pmI’m starting to look at the younger generation as “know all”. When it results of all this “in your face” justification comes calling, you may change your tune.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:54 pmDid Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Albright, Edwards, did they lie when they claimed Hussein was a threat?
Comment by ilistentotheleft
They also said N. Korea is a threat. So if Bush decides to invade, will you claim Kerry, Clinton, Gore, et al support Bush?
July 26th, 2006 at 7:55 pmFurthermore, you might know or not know, but members of the Senate and House intelligence committee receive every bit of information that the President does when it comes to national security. All members of these committees, both Democrats and Republicans knew what Hussein was capable of.
Comment by ilistentotheleft — July 26, 2006 @ 7:50 pm
Total crock of $hit. Has been peputed over and over again. You are a world class dumb a$$. If your nose was not so far up O’lielys arse you might see the light of day.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:56 pmKermit the Freedom Frog,
you explain his quotes saying that Iraq had WMDs….ask him why is he inconsistant.
and do you honestly believe that the few bombs that Clinton spat over to Iraq in December of 1998 got rid of Hussein WMD programs? please!
any and all military personal will tell you that an air campaign does a lot, but not enough to neutralize an enemy.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:56 pmLook everyone I can be a right winger. Gore said N. Korea armed with nuclear ICBMs is a grave threat. Therefore, Gore supports the missile defense system. What, are you calling Gore a liar? Are you???
July 26th, 2006 at 7:56 pmJust one comment on this. I am a veteran of the first gufl war, strongly believe we did the right thing going in, worked for the NY Times for a bit. Then had a moral struggle taking money from them so quit.
I see what people are posting here and I did serve was a grung (E5) in a light infantry unit. My brother did not serve and also supports the war. Should he have to go and fight before the left listens to him? Does a woman have to have an abortion before she can have an opinion for or against? Do I need to be a mexican to have an opiniong on Illegal immigration. Many people here in the northeast need to grow up and before asking “did you serve” think if you have the courage to do what these kids are doing. I don’t believe Lincoln ever serverd and yet we fought the civil war? What about almost any other president during war time?
The constituion set things up so that ultimately the commander and chief is not a military leader. If he has military history he is no longer active duty. The reason is we don’t want the military running our country and they are governed by the president who is elected by the people.
Sorry for the rant but a great number of people on here who I won’t even grace with a curse word. The few times I use them I save up for people better then these.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:56 pmjoefriday…
you are quite amusing, please keep on throwing out the two year old insults and please try to get a mind of your own, the Bushhatebot thing is very, very old. It has been done by many long before you….
much love hater..
July 26th, 2006 at 7:57 pmComment by ipitytheleft
Stalin was a left winger??? hahah you listen to Rush WAY too much … how embarressing for you.
Left in America == Ben Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson.
You sound just like Hitler in Mein Kampf. Stalin was a mafia type very much like the NeoCons. NeoCons are NOT conservatives… they are NOT American right.. they are “republican dictators” just like the nazis were.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:58 pmYes Kermit, Al Gore is a complete and utter liar, he is also a buffon and a moron if you must know. Only a fool wouldn’t know this.
you know with that movie, an “Inconvinient Truth” he has all of you liberals riled up and blindly following him.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:59 pm” but members of the Senate and House intelligence committee receive every bit of information that the President does when it comes to national security”
It has been proven time and time again that the Administration was bent on going into Iraq no matter what. Dick Cheney was more personally responsible for the Cherry picking than Bush and I do believe that he is more intelligent than many Democracts and certainly more diabolical.
I fault the Democrats for not doing their own homework.
“Just because you believe it, it doesn’t make it so….. ”
Right back at you.
You Pro-War Pro-Bushies are amazing. You’re almost like 8-track tapes. Its hard to believe they still make you.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:59 pmBrandi – oh, Brandi. When are you going to pull the wool from your eyes? Support the troops? Was the party supporting the troops when they “purged” the votes iin 2000 and 2004? Was the party supporting the troops when they “didn’t know” where the troops were and sent their ballots to an address in the states on a base… when they KNEW full-well the troops were in Iraq “fighting for democracy?” Woops, sorry, I left out the part where the troops happened to be African Americans. No, dear. You have been taken in by a PR campaign. They may not be racist, they just know which votes can be undermined as a group of votes.
The party has an agenda. It is not a good one. The republican party is demolishing the democracy we once had in the United States of America. They have control of the U.S. Congress and the White House and the Supreme Court. Our country is run by one party and it didn’t get that way via “the will of the people.”
Do some reading. Do some real thinking – of your own. You sound very young. Some day, if you are fortunate, you will see that we need peaceful solutions in order to live in a safe world. The world is a “BIG” place (one of george’s words).
Best of luck living in a one party world. A world that is owned by a few corporations which just so happens, rules the government.
Watch for water shortages.
July 26th, 2006 at 7:59 pmactually Gerald Gibson the Nazis were the Nazi SOCIALIST WORKERS Party…..very much a left wing idea….you would know this if you were educated.
Gerald Gibson, you are too full of hate for Israel to even comment on the Nazis or say that anyone is a Nazi.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:00 pmWow, listentotheleft, you been called everything but an american, since that’s what they hate the most, look out, they’ll be calling you that next.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:01 pmJune, nice hate post…..
You liberals are so full of hate, vile, venom, it is incredible. You guys are so closed minded and you prove it with every single post that each and everyone of you puts up.
June, you have proven nothing, and remember, Al Franken lies, so does Michael Moore and Alan Colmes and the other heros of the left. Just because they say so it doesn’t make it so.
It hasn’t been proven wrong, the left has desperatly tried to lie about how much intelligence both Congressional committees get. I would urge you to do your own research before you blindly believe others.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:04 pmyou know with that movie, an “Inconvinient Truth†he has all of you liberals riled up and blindly following him.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
No actually it is the thousands of scientists on which Gores movie is based… if it was just a bunch of crazy religious types going on about global warming neither Gore nor the left would listen. But thousands of scientists? That spend their entire time working on this stuff? Ummm I think I will take the scientists over Bush… hehe god how dumb do you have to be?
July 26th, 2006 at 8:04 pmyou explain his quotes saying that Iraq had WMDs….ask him why is he inconsistant.
Which quote is that? Every quote said he “had” them and “used” them throughout his history. Kerry said Bush could use force to disarm saddam “if necessary” and you are really grasping at straws here. Nevermind that Congress only saw the edited intelligence reports. None of your quotes go as far as Rumsfeld et al saying “we know where they are” or “mushroom cloud.” Your quotes don’t prove your point. Show me a quote from 2002 saying “Saddam HAS weapons of mass destruction.”
Seriously, show me a quote from 2002 in the present tense.
and do you honestly believe that the few bombs that Clinton spat over to Iraq in December of 1998 got rid of Hussein WMD programs? please!
The weapons inspector teams believe it. The 1998 bombing put a stop to Iraq’s WMD. The only WMD they found were older than that.
any and all military personal will tell you that an air campaign does a lot, but not enough to neutralize an enemy.
An enemy sure, but WMD factories are easy to hit and quite vulnerable to attack. Ask Israel’s military commanders. They stopped Saddam’s nuclear program with one air strike.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:04 pm#416-ilistentotheleft,
So, you claim to follow logic but then when I challenge that logic you run and hide behind a blatantly false and moronically based argument of that I insulted you? It is unfortunate for you that the truth insults you, but that is what I delivered. It is also revealing how you cannot defend your “logic”, and that is because it was not logic at all.
Quit being a coward. If you only want to profess war and murder, then do so openly. At least then you would be honest about your evil intentions instead of presenting them in such a foolish manner. Seek peace, my friend, you never have to use deception to support that quest.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:04 pmRedDog,
We don’t hate America (I’m sure you know that) we just want it to be better. Why don’t you want America to be better?
July 26th, 2006 at 8:05 pmreddog, tell me about it. This Liberals are so full of hate it is truly and honestly sad. I have played nice with them, but all you get in return is vile, hate, venom, etc, etc.
It is truly sad to see how much they hate anyone that disagrees with their point of view. FDR, JFK, Harry Truman would not be allowed in today’s Democrat party.
How can the Democrats call themselves the compassionte, open minded party…..
July 26th, 2006 at 8:06 pmHumanist, as i said, stop with your two year old insults and your condescending tone and I will be more than glad to debate you, otherwise, move on and spew your two year old insults on someone that cares……
much lover hater….
July 26th, 2006 at 8:07 pmactually Gerald Gibson the Nazis were the Nazi SOCIALIST WORKERS Party…..very much a left wing idea….you would know this if you were educated.
Gerald Gibson, you are too full of hate for Israel to even comment on the Nazis or say that anyone is a Nazi.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
Actually I have been posting on here the past week qoutes directly from Mein Kampf and journalists in Munich during Hitlers first attempt at a coup in Germany… here is one for you “Mr. I am educated and you are not” …
A considerable part of our people which, thanks to the incessant influence of our lying press, still regarded France as the champion of progress and liberalism
Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
The political disparity of von Kahr and Adolf Hitler is elucidated when the editor of the staunchly royalist newspaper and speech writer for Von Kahr, Paul Egenter, questions Pöhner while locked in the beer hall: “Isn’t there a basic contradiction between von Kahr’s monarchistic and Hitler’s republican-dictatorial aims?†Munich 1923, pg 168.
I realize fully that nobody likes to hear these things. But it would be difficult to find anything more illogical or more insane than our contemporary laws in regard to State citizenship.
At present there exists one State which manifests at least some modest attempts that show a better appreciation of how things ought to be done in this matter. It is not, however, in our model German Republic but in the U.S.A. that efforts are made to conform at least partly to the counsels of commonsense. By refusing immigrants to enter there if they are in a bad state of health, and by excluding certain races from the right to become naturalized as citizens, they have begun to introduce principles similar to those on which we wish to ground the People’s State.
Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
HELL! It sounds like the republican talking points!
July 26th, 2006 at 8:08 pmJune,
I do believe that most Liberals want a better America, i don’t doubt that for a second, but most Liberals are misguided as to what that better America is.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:08 pmlistenleft, name one left-wing policy of Hitler. Helping the poor? Diversity? Gay rights?
Hitler eliminated the socialst and communist parties. He used the name. His policies were very much Heartland.
Now do me a favor, disprove one — just one — statement in Al Gore’s movie. If you’re so confident, disprove every point. All the victims of GDS, people who hate gore so much they’ll call him a liar if he says the sky is blue, well they’ve been all over the airwaves talking in general terms. But nothing specific.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:08 pmThe political disparity of von Kahr and Adolf Hitler is elucidated when the editor of the staunchly royalist newspaper and speech writer for Von Kahr, Paul Egenter, questions Pöhner while locked in the beer hall: “Isn’t there a basic contradiction between von Kahr’s monarchistic and Hitler’s republican-dictatorial aims?†Munich 1923, pg 168.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:08 pmWe don’t hate America (I’m sure you know that) we just want it to be better? I sure dont see it in the posts on this page. If challenged, call em a name, that’ll do it.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:08 pm#303
I agree with you completely. I was a skeptic until about a year ago when a friend of mine suggested I go to Alex Jones site infowars.com..Since then I have become a firm believer in the following.. that the official conclusion of the 9/11 commission as to why the towers fell is completely wrong and that the towers and WTC Build # 7 were brought down by controlled demolition. There is enough very detailed anaylsis of all the info that is part of the public record to support this theory. All one has to do is read for themselves (a novel approach for all the right wing trolls on this site). Now having said that for many of us who also believe that PNAC /Bushco want to rule the world or at least shove their philosophy down the throats, 9/11 was the event that allowed them to construct a phony “War on Terror ” which of coarse has led to all the other bad policies they have implemenmted too many to go into detail but you know what I am talking about. So was 9/11 just a random event planned and pulled off by a bearded guy in a cave or was it something else. I believe our government was involved. Too hard to believe or comprehend? 3000 innocent people deliberately murdered? What about the 2500 troops deliberately murdered in Iraq by this evil regime? Just like the IDF would say collateral damage? The problem with the trolls here and everywhere else is that they can’t possible comprehend the evil of Bushco that the rest of us have known for a long time. So if the truth is too hard to swallow then they immediately go into the “denial stage” and since Der Leader is the chumpion oops I meant champion Denier, they will follow him and all the other deniers right off the cliff.
People listen to me if you want this all to end get a REAL investigation into what happened on 9/11 and when the REAL TRUTH comes out everything Bushco has done will fall like a house of cards.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:10 pm“It hasn’t been proven wrong”
Where, again are the WMD’s?
“June, nice hate post”
not sure what you are talking about…
I Love You and don’t think that you are Evil, just that you are simply misguided. How’s that?
July 26th, 2006 at 8:10 pmIm buying your t-shirts to wipe my elderly dogs ass with.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:10 pmI do believe that most Liberals want a better America, i don’t doubt that for a second, but most Liberals are misguided as to what that better America is.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
EXACTLY what Hitler agrues in Mein Kampf…
EXACTLY what the “elites” said to the senate in Rome…
July 26th, 2006 at 8:11 pmYes you all know ALL the evil Bushco wrongdoings and have for a long time…
July 26th, 2006 at 8:12 pmNow take off those foolish tinfoil hats and get back in your room for dinner.
463. Ha! I guess we will just agree to disagree (for now). I have to run, until next time. Take care.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:12 pmhumanist is a joke.
yes, humanist fails to understand that the point, which is ‘america is making enemies abroad with its current foreign policy’, dies a lonely death as soon as the person making the point is discredited. and to make those claims and then say “i’m from nowhere, i’m from everywhere, hell, i’m a little magic fairy†leave you with ZERO CREDIBILITY.
humanist has proven nothing. humanist apparently likes to type pretty little sentences and read them back to itself, over and over again, transfixed by it’s own supposed brilliance.
humanist, either say what nationality you are or get lost.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:13 pmKermit
Seriously, show me a quote from 2002 in the present tense.
Did you read John Edwards interview on CNN? start there
The weapons inspector teams believe it. The 1998 bombing put a stop to Iraq’s WMD. The only WMD they found were older than that.
You put too much confidence on a UN that was payed for and bought by Saddam Hussein. and don’t forget that it was in 1998 that Hussein kicked out the weapons inspectors. It was also in 1998 that clinton signed into law a regime change policy towards Iraq. if you need prove I’ll be more than glad to get it for you.
An enemy sure, but WMD factories are easy to hit and quite vulnerable to attack. Ask Israel’s military commanders. They stopped Saddam’s nuclear program with one air strike.
As we all know Saddam Hussein as well as other despots learned from Iraqs 1980 strike on Hussein’s nuclear reactor and took their WMDs making underground. It is not as easy today to hit WMD factories as it was back in 1980.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:14 pmWhy does anyone here even bother to respond to the trolls??
They get off on pushing buttons and causing rancor, watching other people respond to their inane comments.
Ignore them.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:14 pmYou put too much confidence on a UN that was payed for and bought by Saddam Hussein. and don’t forget that it was in 1998 that Hussein kicked out the weapons inspectors.
Around and around you go… dizzy yet? EMbarressed? You should be.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:16 pmIts the only intelligent conversation you can have here.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:16 pm#475-clichy1950,
Words of wisdom.
By the way, what is the word about the courageous American who took a stand for you today? Was she arrested? Is she in need of assistance? Have any of your news programs reported on the event?
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:18 pmI hope that god is merciful to you moonbats, if you actually do get your way you will all surely fall under the Islamofascist blade which will not be very merciful, you advocate for your own destruction. Silly fools.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:19 pmThis is what I don’t get…
liberals claim that the USA should not police the world, when it came to Saddam Hussein, yet they are all up in arms now because they believe that Bush hasn’t done enough to stop the israeli-hezzbollah war, they are all up in arms and actually pushing for an invasion of Darfur to stop human right abuses there….what gives liberals?
it just sounds like you guys don’t consider Iraqis to be as human as the people from Darfur, or members of Hezzbollah, etc, etc.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:20 pmIts the only intelligent conversation you can have here.
Comment by RedDog
List facts… show us some links that you have read that provides evidence. You cant just thump your chest over and over and declare your own infallibility to make an intelligent point.
After YEARS of this arguing I have yet to have a single republican break it all down and prove their point… yet the supposed 911 conspiracy theorists can provide tons of scientific evidence and VIDEO of all that they claim including people admiting ON FILM that they demolitioned WTC #7 …
CONVINCE me republicans.. I used to be a republican… the only thing that turned me was the republican witch hunt on Clinton… I still like Reagan… I am READY to hear the answer to how all this insanity really makes sense… just provide the logical truth and I will never doubt again… but you have NOT made your case and it has been YEARS… which leads me further and further into the lefts camp… if you cant make your case… it is PROBABLY because you dont have one.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:20 pmJay, don’t get discouraged by some of these moonbats…in fact i get encouraged by their rants. Let them rant and rave, the more they are allowed to speak and be seen in public the more they will prove to americans what a bunch of lunatics most of them are……
and humanist, yes little one, Foxnews, CNN, MSNBC showed this….sorry to disappoint you….
July 26th, 2006 at 8:22 pmIf we don’t get our way, the planet is doomed. Keep drinkin’ that koolade, toolbrain. After all, fantasy is so much more fun than reality for you dorknozzles. You’re pathetic.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:22 pm#479-Jay,
When you talk to God, tell her I said “hello”. And, then be sure to ask her how she feels about you murdering her most beautiful of all creations, children. I’d love to hear her response.
So, any word on the fate of your brave citizen Ms. Benjamin?
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:23 pmso humanist, where do you live?
are you a coward? do you have any legitimate reason to not reveal the info?
can you justify generally attacking americans from your undisclosed location?
is the land of the fairy people nice?
you’re a joke, huamnist. you have no credibility.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:23 pmsay where you live or get lost.
ilistentotheleft has listed many facts, which you choose to ignore or counter with some leftist propoganda, not facts. Most are only acknowledged by name calling.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:23 pmThe fact that there are ridiculously ignorant and arrogant Americans STILL arguing and name calling on any and every site that shows even a twinge of the 1st Amendment and holding these imperial fascists called “Congress” accountable, is the shame of us as Americans. You Fox News types are destroying this country with your ignorance.
If 5 percent of Americans got off their asses and did the same, this war would be over and these lying “politicians” would finally cut loose their “Israel-first” traitorous ways. Anyone who has the balls to actually do something to get across a message such as Medea Benjamin.
The real enemy is Israel. The sooner we cut their funding and quit backing their genocidal ethnic cleansing, the sooner we will become heroes in the worlds eyes again. Do you want to know what the rest of the world knows that you don’t cuz of the constant lies of our media? Try going to http://www.watchingamerica.com , a site that translates all foreign news articles. YOU JUST MIGHT LEARN something.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:24 pmI hope that god is merciful to you moonbats, if you actually do get your way you will all surely fall under the Islamofascist blade which will not be very merciful, you advocate for your own destruction. Silly fools.
Comment by Jay
Wow what a wussie. Even when RED COATS were on our soil the “Give me LIBERTY (liberal) or give me DEATH!” founding patriots did not quiver in their boots like you do today. NO country in the world will EVER take America… we have NUKES…. what is wrong with you chicken littles? This is what makes up Republicanism today? The USSR for the last 60 years has the weapons to destroy all life on earth … and we didnt wet out pants… what is it… the turbin? Do the turbins give you nightmares? Let me give you some hope… they are JUST PEOPLE like everyone else… arabs are HUMANS… stop being terrorified and start being MEN.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:24 pmGerald Gibson, I am not the one obssesed with Hitler and his book and I am not the one that calls others Nazis and then turn around and spit on the face of Israel….
I am embarrassed for you…..
July 26th, 2006 at 8:24 pmIs Medea married? Seeing Someone? Available?
July 26th, 2006 at 8:26 pm#482-ilistentotheleft,
That’s wonderful news and could not disappoint me in the least. The truth never disappoints, only deception does. Are you not aware of this concept?
What is the status of the courageous Ms. Benjamin? Has she been incarcerated for speaking?
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:26 pmilistentotheleft has listed many facts, which you choose to ignore or counter with some leftist propoganda, not facts. Most are only acknowledged by name calling.
Comment by RedDog
He listed crap he heard of Rush Limbaugh show… he didnt provide FACTS… you know that thing scientists call third party varifiable? Opinions of nazi wannabees is NOT fact.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:27 pmhumanist is a fraud.
attempting to claim some moral superiority as an anonymous critic is a sham. your anonymous self-aggrandizement is indicative of a person with no honor. your statements have no validity and carry no weight. you have no credibility to attack americans as an outsider if you don’t reveal where you’re from. as far as i’m concerned, you’re just a floating voice from nowhere that no one wants to listen to, so come clean, or get lost.
quit being a coward and just say what country you live in. come clean with it, or go crawl back under the rock where you live.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:27 pmHumanist, why do you even post……you should be ashamed and embarrassed of yourself…..
your two year old insults are laughable at best. Honestly, i love coming into left wing blogs because it reassures me that you guys will not control Congress come november and you will defently not win in 2008.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:28 pmGerald Gibson, why are you obssesed with the Nazis? you are funny guy?
Red Dog the problem is that there is nothing more than Liberals hate than the truth, especially left wing moonbats.
You see to left wing moonbats like Gerlad Gibson because they said it, it is so. Not to mention that the poor guy is obssesed with Nazi Germany, Hitler, etc, etc. quite scary.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:30 pmGerald Gibson, sure got a thing for the nazi’s don’t you?
July 26th, 2006 at 8:30 pmmoderated by admin
July 26th, 2006 at 8:31 pmyou are quite amusing, please keep on throwing out the two year old insults and please try to get a mind of your own, the Bushhatebot thing is very, very old. It has been done by many long before you….
much love hater..
Comment by ilistentotheleft — July 26, 2006 @ 7:57 pm
Look at your post. You do not have a mind of your own. I don’t hate Bush. I am ashamed he is my President however. I have never posted anything that even hinted I hated him. On the other hand I have no use for you disgusting digital brown shirts. Not one of you would ever give or risk your life for anything you beleive in. All of you are patent cowards. That is not a two year old insult. If you had a spine you would be mad as $hit but, you aren’t are you? Here is a 4 year old insult, I saw you on the bottom of my shoe after walking through the dog park. Your dear leader is a moron and will go down in history as the worst President ever. and you worship him. Think about that.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:31 pmWell done, Medea Benjamin. Have you met Ho Chi Minh at #490? He has a great sense of humor, and is quite a catch…
July 26th, 2006 at 8:33 pmWell, I’m sure relieved that you Repugs are winning the war in Iraq. Nice, peaceful, stable democracy, wow, what an accomplishment. I’m really glad we won in VietNam too. We really taught those damned Viet Cong a lesson, didn’t we? Lets just keep the hostilities flying in the Middle East, that way, the Bush oil cabal, Halliburton, et.al. will keep getting richer, and we’ll all keep getting screwed at the gas pump. Yeah, ain’t life great under Prezdint Moron!
July 26th, 2006 at 8:33 pm#494-ilistentotheleft,
I am not ashamed of myself, nor embarrassed by myself. Self-loathing is a result of deceivers and perpetrators of evil. I do neither and focus my efforts instead on seeking the truth. It is a wondrous quest and I highly recommend you try it.
As far as who you choose to follow or who you choose to represent you, my only wish is that you choose wisely. My only issue is that you stop the murder, the rape, the torture, and the abuses to humanity that your country currently perpetrates. Do you have a different goal?
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:34 pmGerald Gibson, why are you obssesed with the Nazis? you are funny guy?
Red Dog the problem is that there is nothing more than Liberals hate than the truth, especially left wing moonbats.
You see to left wing moonbats like Gerlad Gibson because they said it, it is so. Not to mention that the poor guy is obssesed with Nazi Germany, Hitler, etc, etc. quite scary.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
You are kidding right? You are BRAGGING about being ignorant of the greatest threat to America in the past 100 years? You dont read or watch history at all???? How embarressing. So a “moonbat” is anyone that aquires the knowledge to make an intelligent stand based on facts? Ok well I totally grew up right wing but I guess if that makes me a moonbat …. I AM A MOONBAT! I believe in knowledge and wisdom over selfrighteous ignorance!
July 26th, 2006 at 8:34 pmJoefriday, you probably need to take a nap, I havent been around a 4 yr old in a long time, but I think thats a sign.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:35 pmDemocratdoc….with such a name I would have guessed that you know it was a Democrat President that got us involved in Vietnam…..the Democrats ingorance never fails.
Halliburton…hahaha…such a boogeyman for you Democrats. i guess you are aware that Clinton gave all types of no bid contracts to Halliburton during his Presidency, right? I am sure that you know that individuals like John Edwards, Kerry, et al own Halliburton stock…..
As for Iraq, please why don’t you take a trip over there instead of spewing left wing propaganda and the “if it bleeds it leads” news reports that are spewed out by our media…..
July 26th, 2006 at 8:36 pmlistentotheleft
let me make it clear that i do not support you in any way. the issue i have with humanist predates your churlish fantasy world of who said who had wmds and limbaugh’s oxycontin-laced rantings.
your motivation is purely partisan, which indicates a particular small-mindedness that i have no time for. enjoy your made-up facts all you want, but your president is still an incompetent asshat who has embarked upon an unmitigated disaster of a foreign policy, outspent clinton (in 5 years) on the way to increasing the national debt and erasing our budget surpluses, and has consistently been nowhere to be found in times of real crisis.
if he’s the kind of leader you want, all i can say is you deserve him.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:37 pmPlease, has anyone any information on the status of your courageous citizen, Ms. Benjamin?
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:37 pmGerald Gibson, why are you obssesed with the Nazis? you are funny guy?
Comment by ilistentotheleft
Gerald Gibson, sure got a thing for the nazi’s don’t you?
Comment by RedDog
Right there is why the neocons are getting away with all this… half this country thinks reading is for chumps.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:38 pmhumanist, say your nationality get lost.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:39 pmyour flower children rhetoric is a useless attempt to inflate your own ego.
Gerald Gibson, well duh, you’r the one who keeps bringing it up.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:39 pmGerald Gibson, stop your obssesion with Hitler, the Nazis, etc. You will sound a lot less like the anti-semite that you have proven to be, ok?
and you making an intelligent stance on facts? hahahaha!!! now that is a joke if I have ever heard one.
in fact, it is quite scary to see so many left wingers post so much hate against and so much lies against Israel on this site.
amazing how you left wingers call anyone on the right a nazi, but it is you guys who support groups like Hamas, Hezzbollah, etc who in their chatter have as a goal the complete and utter destruction of Israel and the killing of all Jews.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:39 pmyou want information on other americans but your cowardly inability to divulge your own nationality as a critic of america shows you have no credibility and no honor, humanist.
you and dick cheney, together in your undisclosed location.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:41 pmilistentotheleft has listed many facts, which you choose to ignore or counter with some leftist propoganda, not facts. Most are only acknowledged by name calling.
Comment by RedDog — July 26, 2006 @ 8:23 pm
Show one link to a “fact”. If Rush or O’Liely says it that does not make it a “fact”. Stupid is as stupid does. You freaks are really out tonight. One little women disagrees with your dear leader and you go bat $hit. Think about how stupid that makes you. I suspect Redog is also a coward, they all are.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:41 pmreading is for chumps? hahahaha!!! I love how liberal whackos like Gerald Gibson make stuff up in their minds to excuse their hate for those they disagree with.
If you read so much and you know so much about history, you would know that the left wing stance on politics, culture, religion, economics resembles that of Mao Tsung, Castro, Stalin, etc, etc…..I am sure you are well read to know this.
You are so well read that you didn’t even know that the Nazi Party was called, the Nazi Socialist Wokers Party.
get a clue, open up a book other than your god’s, Hitler, and try to get a real education.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:42 pmanti-semite == anti-jew AND anti-arab… you DO know that dont you? Zionism does NOT = Jew…. Zionism == RACISM… Jew == PEOPLE… get it straight…
and you making an intelligent stance on facts? hahahaha!!! now that is a joke if I have ever heard one.
in fact, it is quite scary to see so many left wingers post so much hate against and so much lies against Israel on this site.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
The FACTS are on FILM… ever hear of the TV? The facts are in NEWSPAPERS from ENGLAND at the time of the zionists terrorism in Palastine. It is called historical record… what exactly is funny about that?
Are you telling us you dont believe in historical record nor science? Christ nevermind … good night.. I got more READING to do…
July 26th, 2006 at 8:42 pmJoefriday, another left wing moonbat that keeps on spewing left wing talking points from Air America, Alan Colmes, Michael Moore, kerry, Clinton, pelosi, boxer, etc and then claims that it is those on the right that do not know how to think on their own….
poor Bushhatebot, I am embarrassed for you little joe….
July 26th, 2006 at 8:43 pmMedea Benjamin is an uncouth infant, an uninformed, self-righteous narcissist who fails to compehend that bringing troops home will NOT LEAD TO ANY PEACE. It will lead to a BLOODBATH much like it did when U.S. troops left Vietnam. The Killing Fields — the 2 million dead after we left Vietnam — is due to the American peace movement, which continues to spill more blood than anything the military has done.
SHAME on Code Pink and Ms. Benjamin and their defeatist cause.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:43 pmNo, your facts are off a bit there, Iridiculetheleft. No, Clinton was by no means perfect, but I guess you enjoy filling your, oh, let me guess, your Hummer with the Boosh-Cheney, “I Love All Life, Except Iraqis”, and “Love It or Leave It” bumper stickers with that 3 dollar/gal. gas? Must be tough on that minimum wage salary, huh? Bank gonna repo your Hummer wingnut? Like they say: Clinton ruined a dress, Prezdint Moron ruined a nation. Actually, dipwad, you’re the one who should take a one-way flight to Iraq, since you think this is such a glorious war: “we’re a-spreadin’ demockracy all over the world.” Now, time for bed, and get off mommy’s computer numbnuts.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:44 pmGood night Joefrady, you’v had a bit too much of the irish or you’re just stupid. Stupid is as stupid does, works well in Savannah Ga in the 50’s but this is the information age, you might want to quit single sourcing all your information.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:44 pmIf you read so much and you know so much about history, you would know that the left wing stance on politics, culture, religion, economics resembles that of Mao Tsung, Castro, Stalin, etc, etc…..I am sure you are well read to know this.
You are so well read that you didn’t even know that the Nazi Party was called, the Nazi Socialist Wokers Party.
get a clue, open up a book other than your god’s, Hitler, and try to get a real education.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
Provide a SINGLE link showing that the left in America has ANYTHING to do with the ideals of Mao or Stalin… ONE… lets see it… if you can….
You DID know that Hitler MURDERED the head of the socialists when he was done with him right? It was called “The night of long knives” … look it up … this IGNORANCE is what NOT READING gets you ….embarressing.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:45 pm#508-Rex,
I have explained my “nationality” to you numerous time, but you refuse to accept it. I cannot state it any clearer. But this thread, and all the comments are not about me and I will not allow an argument about me to detract from the most positive development that I seen in a long time in your country.
You have witnessed today something that has become rare in the USA, someone courageous enough to challenge oppression to its face and in public. You should be rejoicing in her accomplishment and you should be drawing from her courage to do the same.
Any word on Ms. Benjamin?
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:46 pmGerald Gibson, wow…so you believe everything you see on television, eh? wow…no wonder you are so terribly educated…..
just a little hint…television is not real guy….you see less than half of the story…..
and the truth is in England? hahaha!!
c’mon admit it, say it, you know you want to say it….left wing moonbats are sayign it all over the net, Israel doesn’t deserve to exist and all jews need to be killed……you know that that is what you moonbats want. you support terrorist groups like Hezzbollah and Hamas which only exist to destroy and kill Israel and all Jews.
you would be taken more seriously if you were at least honest enough to say it. Believe me, there are left wing writers, authors etc already saying it. So you aren’t alone…..
July 26th, 2006 at 8:47 pmMedea Benjamin is an uncouth infant, an uninformed, self-righteous narcissist who fails to compehend that bringing troops home will NOT LEAD TO ANY PEACE. It will lead to a BLOODBATH much like it did when U.S. troops left Vietnam. The Killing Fields — the 2 million dead after we left Vietnam — is due to the American peace movement, which continues to spill more blood than anything the military has done.
SHAME on Code Pink and Ms. Benjamin and their defeatist cause.
Comment by Mark
Then you people should have left the NON RELIGIOUS NUT Saddam where he was. Our problem was with RELIGIOUS NUTS … NOT Saddam. Yet NOW we have a major problem in Iraq because of your LACK OF READING.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:47 pmamazing how you left wingers call anyone on the right a nazi, but it is you guys who support groups like Hamas, Hezzbollah, etc who in their chatter have as a goal the complete and utter destruction of Israel and the killing of all Jews.
Comment by ilistentotheleft — July 26, 2006 @ 8:39 pm
You take the cake for blantant dimwits. Have you no self respect? How do you live with yourself? What makes a person a hate filled digital brown shirt? It is apparent to all that you are a coward, fraud, low life, and be the first to jump in the life boat ahead of women, childern and old people. I guess, your scum.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:47 pmevery argument you have, left listener, is predicated on “they did it first” and trotting out old democrat mistakes like they’re an excuse for republicans to be allowed to fail.
since failure has been monopolized by republicans, you end up sounding like a broken record. it really makes you look stupid.
you are here to say republicans don’t believe in accountability. thanks for being honest.
what ever happened to restoring honor to our government?
July 26th, 2006 at 8:49 pmoh i forgot you actually have to have honor in the first place
are you this dumb humanist? stuff like this happens in America all the time. That you are too uneducated and ill informed to know about it is another thing…wow!
you have Americans breaking into political speeches, political votes, etc, etc all the time at the local, state and federal level.
your posts are quite sad and show how little education you have.
it is amazing though how you liberals didn’t applaud the Chinese lady that interrupted the Chinese PM when he was speaking here in the USA. In fact the media and the left branded her a lunatic……hypocrites
July 26th, 2006 at 8:49 pmJoefrady, calm down. I know your frightened but breath slowly, your lible to have a heart attack, so much venom…. tisk tisk.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:50 pmjoefriday….you are one poor Bushhatebot…..repeating the talking points from Air America, Michael Moore, Kerry, etc, etc makes you sound like the real idiot that you are….
now keep on posting and amuse me little one…..
July 26th, 2006 at 8:51 pmGood night all you Sean Hannity nutsacks, Prezdint Dumbass-lovers, and bible-thumpin’ true believers….happy dreams, keep enjoying your fantasy world of Peter Pan and the Easter Bunny, and remember, the world is flat and is really only 6000 years old too! You guys are funny as shit, even if you are busy destroying the world.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:51 pmhumanist-
nope. you want to know about ms. benjamin, follow the link provided above.
i can tell you that she appears to have more courage in her little finger than you do in your entire fictional existence. she’s not afraid to let anybody know who she is.
say where you live or get lost, fraud.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:51 pm#525-ilistentotheleft,
That’s a blatant lie. Her courage was applauded as well and was discussed at length, if I recall correctly, on this very site. It is unfortunate that your position is so weak and so flawed that you must invent “evidence” in order to support it. I am disgusted with you ignorant deception.
Now, I am going to see if I can locate any information on the status of Ms. Benjamin.
May peace be with us all.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:54 pmGerald Gibson, wow…so you believe everything you see on television, eh? wow…no wonder you are so terribly educated…..
VIDEO … I wasnt talking about tellituby… how dense are you?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search=silverstein+pbs&search_type=search_videos
There it is right on video… THEY DEMOLITIONED WTC 7 … dont even believe your own eyes?
1) A state won through Zionist terrorsim does NOT deserve to exist
2) NO ONE deserves to be murdered … Jews, Black, Mexican, Iraqis, nor any of the others that the right hates except when they want something from them
3) Supporting JUSTICE is NOT supporting Hamas. Hamas should go Ghandi on Israel instead of cowardly murdering women and children on buses…
4) The Jews after WWII should have moved to America where they would be protected instead of moving to the middle east through massive human trafficing.
I am no Ann Coulter and so I am NOT going to say the crazy things you on the right do because I believe in the ways of Jesus … which is RIGHTEOUSNESS… NOT self-righteousness… know the difference? Doubt it…
July 26th, 2006 at 8:55 pmIf Ms Benjamin stood up in the middle of an Al’Qaeda cell and said that they should be out of Iraq, then that would be courageous.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:56 pmGood night Joefrady, you’v had a bit too much of the irish or you’re just stupid. Stupid is as stupid does, works well in Savannah Ga in the 50’s but this is the information age, you might want to quit single sourcing all your information.
Comment by RedDog — July 26, 2006 @ 8:44 pm
Why don’t you read that again and see if it makes any sense. I’ll try a multi source. You are afraid of a women who disagrees with GWB’s war in Iraq. What is so difficult? He is still your dear leader. BTY, I still think you are a coward and you know you are. O.k Dumb and dumber.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:56 pmTEXT FROM THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY MADE ON THE SENATE FLOOR
October 9, 2002
In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days–to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out.
Not so gung-ho, pro-war, is it?
July 26th, 2006 at 8:57 pmProgressaurus Rex sorry, my arguments are not based on…they did it first. You want to read it that way, that is on you.
My arguments are based on the fact that the left in America is full of whacked out, nutbjobs, it is based on the fact that FDR, JFK, Harry Truman would not be welcomed as membes of today’s democrat party, as proof, look at how much the left hates Joe Libermann for speaking the truth about Iraq.
It will be a truly sad day in America if Democrats ever gain control of government again or win another Presidential election. the democrats as they stand today are closer to the beliefs of Stalin, Mao Tsung, Castro, Hugo Chavez, etc than they are to George Washington’s and our Constiution.
Left wing politicians, if we are not careful, will be the destruction of our great nation, as prove of this, look the sad and sorry state Clinton left our foreign and domestic policy. 9/11 could have been prevented if Clinton had done his job in the 1990s.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:57 pmFace it friendly TPfolks, these trolls (con, neocon, ilisten?totheleft) will accept nothing except lip service from their man-masters. Their only “dialogue” involves repeating the masters’ lip services. It’s what they crave more than anything, like dogs crave a kind word from their masters. no matter how often they are abused. They wonder why we are not similarly pleased, to know that our master will do the tough decidering for us. They can’t comprehend how we could have the nerve to ask for explanations from the master, or hold the master accountable for his actions. They always lash out and provoke, yet their principles are not sound enough to keep them from returning here. They are curious as to how we can be independent, defiant, and resolute in the face of Master’s power. They long to be free, too, yet they have yet to develop the vocabulary and skill to achieve it. They are publicly hateful, yet privately envious.
It would be easy enough work to go serve as anti-troll at one of their blogs, were they not too cowardly to tolerate it, but they are, and that is an established fact. Fact is, I’ve never, and will never, visit one of their blogs. What would be the point, aside from venting a little frustration by agitating them with calls for impeachment, war crimes trials, and free abortions at discount stores. I have no desire to do that, which is what differentiates me from them, and from what they try to accuse me, and a lot of use here, of being.
I was raised, as an American, and not a Servant. To take no shit, kiss no ass, and to learn, and think, for myself. Those who line up on the “my country, right or wrong” side of the street are the shit-takers, the ass-kissers, and the ones who need to learn to “love it or leave it”. The TP Troll Brigade ought to be on the first boat elsewhere bound.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:58 pmJoefrady, make it simple for you… quit single sourcing your information.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:59 pm#529-Rex,
Sir, you are tiresome, but relentless. That is a good quality if applied to the right cause and I hope that you will apply it to the cause of ending the heinous crimes of your nation.
Let me know a general delivery mailbox and I will send you all the information you seek. This is not a ploy, by the way, and I do not want your home address or email account as that feels very wrong to me. But, nor will I ever post any of my personal information on the internet as, well, it seems that the routers have eyes, if you know what I mean.
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:00 pmGerald Gibson, ignorant does as ignorant will do…
1)Israel was created through a United Nations resolution! Not after Israel doing anything bad. Don’t you liberals say that the United Nations has the final word in international law? I mean you moonbats claimed that the Iraq War was illegal because the United Nations said no, correct? So, why does Israel not deserve to exist where it is today if the United Natiosn placed it there?
2)The term Zionist is used by the likes of the leader of Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezzbollah and others that hate israel and do not believe in the Israeli right to exist.
3)I laugh every time anyone mentions that WTC 7 was demolish…hahaha!! try again.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:01 pmjoefriday….you are one poor Bushhatebot…..repeating the talking points from Air America, Michael Moore, Kerry, etc, etc makes you sound like the real idiot that you are….
now keep on posting and amuse me little one…..
Comment by ilistentotheleft — July 26, 2006 @ 8:51 pm
Glad you like them. I have never listened to Air America, read or saw anything from Michael moore and have no idea on the Kerry comment. You are a right wing talking points freak. That is very simple. Your Rove $hit does not work. Try some thing origanal. You can’t can you? You are like all of “them” no mind of your own. Your momma proud she reared a coward?
July 26th, 2006 at 9:02 pmIt will be a truly sad day in America if Democrats ever gain control of government again or win another Presidential election. the democrats as they stand today are closer to the beliefs of Stalin, Mao Tsung, Castro, Hugo Chavez, etc than they are to George Washington’s and our Constiution.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
You keep saying but you have provide ZERO proof of your claim. Why? Because you have never read anything about Mao… you dont know anything about him you have not heard on the Rush show. You dont know anything about Democrats because you refuse to read their policies which are cleary posted on the Internet because you are afraid you will find out Rush is full of shit.
Left wing politicians, if we are not careful, will be the destruction of our great nation, as prove of this, look the sad and sorry state Clinton left our foreign and domestic policy. 9/11 could have been prevented if Clinton had done his job in the 1990s.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
EVERY republican I know personally admits times were better during the Clinton years. They don like Clinton but they are not dumb asses either.
ALL Bush had to do to prevent 911 was listen to the CIA and the FBI which was screaming over and over that something needed to be done.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:02 pmOh and Rex, where is that link that you referred to regarding the status of Ms. Benjamin?
Peace.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:03 pmJoefrady, wow you got issues man, have another drink.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:03 pm1)Israel was created through a United Nations resolution! Not after Israel doing anything bad. Don’t you liberals say that the United Nations has the final word in international law? I mean you moonbats claimed that the Iraq War was illegal because the United Nations said no, correct? So, why does Israel not deserve to exist where it is today if the United Natiosn placed it there?
Comment by ilistentotheleft
You DO know (ya right) that the UN lobbied the arabs and they refused… and so the some of the Americans and the British and the Zionists told the arabs to get bent and did it anyway. This was wrong. HOWEVER the arabs should have followed Ghandis lead not the zionists who were busy bombing women and children in public places just minding their business… and IF the zionists had not bombed the british out of Palastine the UN would have had no such vote in the first place… simple logic… REAL simple … yet still you somehow dont get it.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:05 pmTom Baker….bwahahahaha….you are funny….you are the one that will accept nothing except lip service from your men-masters, michael moore, al franken, Kerry, pelosi, boxer, et al. and you blindly follow what the left orders you to follow.
your whole post is nothing, but left wing talking points that have been spewed out long before you were born. you are funny…..
July 26th, 2006 at 9:06 pm2)The term Zionist is used by the likes of the leader of Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezzbollah and others that hate israel and do not believe in the Israeli right to exist.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
WOW! The ZIONISTS call themselves ZIONISTS also…. wow… just embarressing… go to http://www.Haaretz.com or http://www.jpost.com/ and read for yourself… christ how embarressing for you …
3)I laugh every time anyone mentions that WTC 7 was demolish…hahaha!! try again.
Then you must be laughing your ass off watching that video because he says it out of his own mouth on FILM…
July 26th, 2006 at 9:08 pmipretendtolistentotheleftbutknowiamright
“the fact that FDR, JFK, Harry Truman would not be welcomed as membes of today’s democrat party”
Oh, really?? And that would be a fact supported by what evidence?
July 26th, 2006 at 9:10 pmGerald Gibson, you are a racist pig my friend. Calling the Israelis, Zionist is more than enough prove of your pathetic and sad racism.
it must kill racist like you that the Israeli State, after it was created by a United Nations resolution, in 1948 after the last British soldier left the region the all the Arab states attacked Israel. yet, israel defeated all the Arab nations of the region. Israel was ill equipped, had millions less human beings to fight than the arabs and still they defeated all the arab nations. that has to kill you.
in fact, many arab leaders called for a repeat of the Holocoust right before they attacked israel. Just so you know Israel lost 6,000 soldiers in that war.
You are full of hate against the Israelis, it is sad to see you use words used by individuals that want the complete and utter destruction of Israel and the mass killing of Jews.
I now understand your obssesion with Hitler, Nazis and his book.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:12 pmipretendtolistentotheleftbutknowiamright
“the fact that FDR, JFK, Harry Truman would not be welcomed as membes of today’s democrat partyâ€
Oh, really?? And that would be a fact supported by what evidence?
Comment by PLC
Rush Limbaugh evidence of coarse… is there any other kind?
July 26th, 2006 at 9:12 pmGerald Gibson, you are a complete retard, saying the word “pull” doesn’t prove anything except in the mind of a moonbat that is more than willing to believe anything bad against his own government….
as for the Zionist term, it is the same as with the “n” word when talking about blacks. Blacks call themselves the “n” word, but if someone else does it is clear racism.
the same thing with the zionist term. so much for you knowining any history.
i am laughing at you and your supposed education kid.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:15 pmGerald Gibson, you are a racist pig my friend. Calling the Israelis, Zionist is more than enough prove of your pathetic and sad racism.
Comment by ilistentotheleft
Zionism – Jewish people’s right to Israel
http://www.zionismontheweb.org/boards/viewtopic.php?p=423&sid=12b9247c4050ced529a36a86592a0052
So Jews are jew hating antisemites now? Get a clue … READ… READ before commenting … you are making yourself look really uneducated…
If the Jews had always been in the land they now occupy and the arabs suddenly attacked then I and MOST people would say bomb the arabs like we bombed the Germans… BUT THAT DIDNT HAPPEN… the zionists MURDERED British and Arabs with BOMBS … TERRORISM… THAT is why the state of Israel is nor morally right. There was NO Israel for almost 2000 years YET the arabs were there for about 1000 years…. HISTORY.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:16 pmjoefriday….my poor little Bushhatebot……you take orders well….now obey me again and post again…. amuse me once again.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:16 pmSome people “listen” as well as Bush “fully understands”. No point in going on trying to convince some trolls. Off to do some light, fiction reading.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:17 pmProgressive, say a prayer for our hero sister tonight.
Some people “listen†as well as Bush “fully understandsâ€. No point in going on trying to convince some trolls. Off to do some light, fiction reading.
Progressive, say a prayer for our hero sister tonight.
Comment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian)
Yep you are right… and now I am tired of thumping the mole heads poping up … night .. and you trolls … BOOKS ARE GOOD… read!
July 26th, 2006 at 9:18 pmPLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian)
see if you can swallow the truth….i doubt it…
1) During WWII, especially during the months, weeks and days before D-Day invasion of Normandy FDR ordered that all the mail from American citizens going abroad be opened and read before being sent to the respective country.
2) FDR ordered that German, Italian, Japanese, etc POWs be held without trial. One example of this is the crew of the U-505. They were held without trial. The Red Cross was not allowed to see them. Theyw ere not allowed to write to their german families to let them know they were alive. All these are violations of the Geneva Convetion.
3) JFK believed in cutting taxes, as he did. he also believe in pre-emptive strike of Cuba and the Soviet Union. Read his speeches.
4)Harry Truman believed in using ultimate destruction to bring an enemy to its knees. The only President to ever use two nuclear weapons. Harry S. Truman, a Democrat.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:20 pmTo zimzone:
I served in Vietnam and I POSITIVELY fought to defend the women’s right to free speech…did you serve?? If you did, you obviously forgot what you were serving to defend….hint: its in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence
July 26th, 2006 at 9:29 pmleftlistener,
saying a democratic president first sent troops to vietnam and that clinton gave contracts to halliburton is indeed saying ‘they did it first’. the right wing are consistent in shifting blame rather than being accountable.
furthermore, halliburton used an offshore tax haven so they could do business with iran in the 90s, at a time when america had an embargo on the country. who was the ceo of halliburton at this time? dick cheney.
it strikes me as the height of hypocrisy to want to bomb a country that you used to be quite happy to do business with. but then rumsfeld helped saddam get anthrax, the plague, dengue virus, helicopters and tanks in the 80s but recent history seems to suggest he has an entirely different opinion of the man now.
and humanist, go here for the means to send me information. it’s my blog and i will be erasing all comments in that thread within one hour. i have left an email address there if you’d rather do it that way. sorry, but for reasons you should easily understand, i will not give out a mailing address. all i was asking for was the name of a country, not your life story.
all i can refer you to as far as medea benjamin is the same link provided in this thread, to code pink’s site. looking for more, will post it here if i find it.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:30 pm“9/11 could have been prevented if Clinton had done his job in the 1990s.”
Perhaps you are right, maybe 9/11 could have been prevented if you guys didn’t have the need to fixate on his dick so thoroughly.
Richard Clarke was ignored by the Bush Administration on many occasions about the threat of Osama Bin Laden while they were also cutting Anti-Terrorism funding.
9/11 happened on Bush’s watch. Period.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:35 pmProgressaurus Rex, sorry guy, i can’t disagree with you more.
The reason that I brought up the fact that Halliburton was in heaven under the Clinton administration is because most Liberals seem to believe (so much for education) that Halliburton’s no bid contracts were only done under Bush. I personally don’t find anything wrong with Halliburton. I would be a hypocrite, as you claim if I found fault with Halliburton.
As for Vietnam, sorry guy, it is the truth, it was a Democrats who got us in there, it was a Democrat who expanded the war and it was a Republican that got us out. What is so hypocritical about that?
once again, i find no fault with the Iraq War, i would be a hypocrite if I agree with your point and then I would point out as to how Democrats did it first.
Also, it just seems that for Democrats American history in the middle east, etc, etc began in 2001 when Bush took office, they seem to not want to remember that Democrats had a guy 8 years in office who did nothing to make America a better place to live.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:35 pmJoefrady, wow you got issues man, have another drink.
Comment by RedDog — July 26, 2006 @ 9:03 pm
That is a poor way to confront some one who is telling you that you are a spinelees talking points retard. Why don’t you defend yourself? and your dear leader. Tell me how he is going into the history books. BTY. you are the one with issues. Your on this blog and some how feel a need to inject your perverted view of the world here. There are over 10,000 conserveative radio talk shows for you to spill and share your hate on. Also, many internet blogs. Your a pest but, a fun one to pi$$ on. This Buds for you.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:37 pmJon, so what it happened under bush’s watch, it is ridiculous to blame Bush for it when Bush was only in office for 8 months and Clinton 96 months before 9/11 happened.
as you so claim, “our”fixation with the sex scandal was towards the end of his presidency kid, and a real leader, a good president doesn’t stop working on making America better because of a scandal which he himself was no big deal.
thanks for excusing billy boy. he had 96 months to prevent 9/11, bush 8. hmmm…?
not to mention that if we go by your logic, you liberals should hate Clinton since it was under his watch that the first attack of the WTC happened, remember? 1993 bombing….The WTC got lucky if the trucks with the bombs would have been placed a few feet closer to a column, the WTC would have fallen back in 1993.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:39 pm9/11 = inside job!
That “pink code” girl has more balls than covards like Powel who have to send his chief of staff on PBS Frontline to call his infamous UN multimedia presentation on WMDs in Iraq a “hoax on american people” ..
July 26th, 2006 at 9:44 pm“so what it happened under bush’s watch”
That really says it all.
“not to mention that if we go by your logic, you liberals should hate Clinton since it was under his watch that the first attack of the WTC happened, remember? 1993 bombing….”
He caught those guys. Better than Bush has done. Sorry, try again.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:47 pmI want to marry Medea Benjamin. She rocks.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:52 pmThank you Medea. There is no justification for war of any kind. War is destruction. War is insane. War is what emotional adolescents do. May peace prevail on earth.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:04 pmmoderated by admin
July 26th, 2006 at 10:08 pmlook leftlistener,
only cowards don’t take responsibility. americans want leaders that are accountable, not ones that say ‘look they did it too.’
you act like you’ve got an argument but everything you say is shifting blame back to the democrats. live in the now — your president has 5 years of his own decisions to face up to, and a subservient congress, and you’re still talking about democrats from 40 years ago.
if things were better you wouldn’t see this:
or this:
yes, that’s how “good” people in america feel about your president’s “leadership”.
funny, i didn’t vote for clinton. but i don’t know any sane person who claims that the clinton years were worse than now. well, they were bad for you crybabies on the right who have been fixated on everything clinton’s done for the last 13 years.
if you had actually taken time to get your heads out of your whiny little asses, you’d have realized that the economy was better, there was less poverty, crime was down, abortions were down, america was more respected in the world, and in fact his term coincided with the longest peacetime economic expansion in american history.
your claim that america is better off now, in ANY way, than it was 6 years ago is utterly ridiculous. there is way too much empirical proof to refute that comedic fantasy you advocate.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:10 pmWay to go, Medea. God Bless You.
This administration can invite their puppets to our capital to recite speeches prepared by administration speechwriters and our politicians can stand and applaud, but none of them can make us swallow their propaganda.
Shame on this government for marketing war for profit and shame on these Masters of war for the misery they have wrought on this world.
How many innocent people have to die until cowards in America feel safe?
July 26th, 2006 at 10:12 pmthanks for excusing billy boy. he had 96 months to prevent 9/11, bush 8. hmmm…?
not to mention that if we go by your logic, you liberals should hate Clinton since it was under his watch that the first attack of the WTC happened, remember? 1993 bombing….The WTC got lucky if the trucks with the bombs would have been placed a few feet closer to a column, the WTC would have fallen back in 1993.
Comment by ilistentotheleft — July 26, 2006 @ 9:39 pm
How is Bush doing finding UBL? He has now had six years. You right wing digital brown shirts were all up in a tither that clinton didn’t get him in two years. Your dear leader has had six years. You retards thought it was easy to get him and clinton didn’t want to. What is your excuse for the moron? Is it remotely possible that that bastard is smart and good at hiding? Oh no, Clinton could find him , your dear leader can’t. You are such an complete a$$ hole. Do you ever look in the mirror? Your replys are a laugh. Have you graduated from high school? Shall I go on? Your Roven twists do not work on me. Try some thing else. I think it is time for you to bring out the “Pin Pricks”, also “body bags” are good, afraid to spill some blood you can use that one. Kind of lost track of your talking points.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:16 pmAbout the Bush psyche>
When Bush being asked about the terrible loss on 9/11 he replied to the effect he is a moral guy and other bullshit.. Classic reaction of a guilty persion. He didn’t plan it personaly that was his uncle Dick&Donald’s job but he knew!
9/11 = inside job
How can anyone trust the Democratic traitors anymore is beyond me, the next elections will solve exactly nothing. You get the same neocon wars but in different packaging..
Google: the Franklin coverup or Conspiracy of silence that’s the best insight into the US power elite..
July 26th, 2006 at 10:21 pmif clinton was supposed to be looking for osama, why, when bush got into office, did he start giving aid to the taliban, to the tune of $132 million in 2001?
why did the bush administration have meetings with the taliban 5 weeks before 9/11, especially when we already knew they were harboring a known terrorist and the man that had already attacked america twice?
July 26th, 2006 at 10:22 pmDoes anyone else think its a bit weird that Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, was the director of the security company that was responsible for the security of both the World Trade Center and United Airlines and quit on September 10, 2001? Isn’t it also kind of strange how both the Bush and Bin Laden family have had business dealings for decades through the Carlyle group?
July 26th, 2006 at 10:25 pmMacaroons have left the building.shine a light on them and they are gone.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:27 pmUnfortunately, Ms. Benjamin may have made Mr. Bush look good in front of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki. In some countries women aren’t allowed into the political area and free Speech is met with more than just a ticket/removed from hall. Ms. Benjamin showed that even with Mr. Bush running the U.S.A, there is still some free speech, and women are in politics. I bid you all peace love and understanding.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:33 pmCheers,
ceannrua
Hey Joefrady, how was your bud. Keeping you up past your bedtime? Must be tough trying to sleep when you are as afraid as you are.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:34 pm550 + postings. this is fantastic. This listener is a hoot.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:37 pmWell, the Taliban were big US allies till the point in early 2001 when they finally responded to the UNOCAL oil pipeline deal across Afghanistan and increasing threats from the US gov by saying “..no pipelne for any amount of money, yanks go screw yourself.. ”
Well the Taliban is fighting the US and NATO forces on their hometurf with dismal Vietnam war ratio 1:15-20 which looks like a shorterm defeat but in terms of years the US and NATO will be eventually kicked out like any other foreign occupiers before be it brits or russians..
July 26th, 2006 at 10:37 pm#571 I would like to hear the listener answer that one.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:40 pmHey Joefrady, how was your bud. Keeping you up past your bedtime? Must be tough trying to sleep when you are as afraid as you are.
Comment by RedDog — July 26, 2006 @ 10:34 pm
Redturd, your replys are going down hill. I am waiting for a brillant post from you that we can debate. All I get is bull $hit that makes no sense from a twerp. Why don’t you check in with Rush (I hate people that do drugs) or O’liely ( I hate people that sexually assualt women). Then you can come back with some thing that might make sense, it appears impossible that you can do that on your own. Pop a top for me. BTY, Just had to scrape you off the bottom of my boot, sorry.
July 26th, 2006 at 11:08 pmWhat a massive load of bullshit!!! I wish I had the franchise on stupid people, there’s just so many. All you “peace on earth” types need to finally understand that if you want peace with the islamofacists you have only two choices. Killl them, or kill yourself. Then, and only then, will you have the peace you so urgently desire.
July 27th, 2006 at 12:59 amWe all need to get out of the Right/Left paradigm and figure out what happened to this great Country. Our constitutional republic has been under attack now for quite a while. I am not just talking about Bush, but Clinton as well (and before). Clinton started the Free Speech zones, and Bush is using them even more. What is this talk about 800+ signing statements and 1 veto? It is our duty to question our government, so just do it!
If you can be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you can be told what to say or think. Defend your constitutionally protected rights, no one else will do it for you.
July 27th, 2006 at 1:17 amyou have only two choices. Killl them, or kill yourself.
alright, get on with it, then. enlist and go kill ‘em or don’t enlist and kill yourself. fine with me either way.
July 27th, 2006 at 1:17 amor is this what you’re really trying to say:
“if you want peace with terrorists you must become a terrorist yourself!”
you must torture. you must adopt a kill or be killed attitude. you must devolve into an almost neanderthal-like mindset that can only discern two possible choices in any crisis or dilemma. you must set aside civil rights and liberties that are the only basis for our freedom in the first place. you must hate, and act on that hate.
those are all great things for a benevolent, democratic society to embrace.
July 27th, 2006 at 1:29 amthanks for the suggestions.
This woman is an example for all americans to follow. If we don’t wake up pretty soon, we’ll be in very big trouble considering the way this administration regards its own citizens’ rights. Bringing the troops back home is one of the steps toward a safer world and country, but getting these criminal neo-cons out of the White House should be another priority. Next time someone has the courage to speak up like Ms. Benjamin, I hope there’ll be 10 others to support her. Make it a 100. America’s on its knees, it has to stand up and dissent before it’s too late!
July 27th, 2006 at 1:48 amThe people’s strength lies in their capacity to work together. The time has come for our revolution.
You go, girl! THIS is what freedom of speech is all about! We’re dumping depleted uranium all over Iraq, raping their women and stealing their oil. We are behaving like savages. My only complaint is that there should have been one hundred protesters there–not just one!
July 27th, 2006 at 2:19 amWhat a massive load of bullshit!!! I wish I had the franchise on stupid people, there’s just so many. All you “peace on earth†types need to finally understand that if you want peace with the islamofacists you have only two choices. Killl them, or kill yourself.
Comment by desert_raven — July 27, 2006 @ 12:59 am
Ah. Thanks for the clarification. Now at least it’s clear that you are genuine fascist, and not just a nascent or proto fascist like so many of your fellow Americans.
July 27th, 2006 at 3:10 amYou Lefties are some of the most hateful, bitter, unhappy, self-centered people on the planet. All you “progressive” women on here would be property in the cultures you hold is such hight esteem. In the Islamic world, most of you would be killed.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:21 amThe TRUTH behind the Hezbollah incident that Israel used as a pretext to invade another country
Check out the maps and explanations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqR1qcWtnpg
July 27th, 2006 at 6:20 amYou Lefties are some of the most hateful, bitter, unhappy, self-centered people on the planet. All you “progressive†women on here would be property in the cultures you hold is such hight esteem. In the Islamic world, most of you would be killed.
Comment by ooli — July 27, 2006 @ 5:21 am
Therefore we must kill all of them? You are a genocidal maniac.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:00 amHEADLINE: LIEBERMAN CHEERS ANTI-SEMITIC, TERRORIST SUPPORTING, JEW HATER.
That’s what Maliki is but Joe don’t care.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:07 am#189 jason baddo
“she’s like the brave guy in front of the tank in tianamnen squareâ€
Listen, just admit it – you have no idea what are you talking about, right Ho Chi Minh?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:53 amMedea is nothing more than a pathetic media whore. The thing I really enjoyed while watching the speech was the way who she was got no mention at the time. And I was NOT watching FOX it was MSNBC if I recall. She and Code Pink ar nothing more than a irritant.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:24 ammoderated by admin.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:05 amI am sick and tired of these anti-American bozos siding with Little Miss Treason, better known as Medea Benjamin. I know in a better world, she would be on death row right now instead of sitting in the halls of Congress disrupting speeches.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:15 amAll those saying untill we serve we dont know nothing. I can tell you this, WE are citizens we are supposed to make the decisions as to what our government is supposed to do. We pay the soldiers checks, and and we pay for the ammunition, equipment, and fuel. Anyone that supports this war is a fool, and should start investigating the truth.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:14 am593 you are a slave.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:15 amLiberals make me laugh, you are all the subject of double think. You think we would be out of Iraq wth Kerry as president? His plan was to stay the couirse in Iraq not to mention he was a supporter of the Patriot Act.
Oh, it’s all Bush’s fault, even though democrats strive for the same thing, money and power. There are just as many democrats making money off this war as there are republicans. Clinton and Daddy Bush vaction together. Democrats are just as evil as any republican Clinton and Bush should both be tried for treason; if you dont think Clinton shouldn’t then you’ve never heard of “China Gate”.
The fact of the matter is, both parties are full of crap and neither works for the people, but wants the people working for them.
Oh, and another thing Bush is not a real conservative or a christian. Bush’s spending and what he’s done to the constition by no means reflects a real conservative. A real christian would never support a war that results in the deaths of so many innocent people.
Democrates will sound just like the reuplicans do now when they get someone into office. Then all the liberals will shut up and blindly follow thier talking heads and attack anyone who dissagrees, just like the republicans do now. Both of the parties have so much in common it’s sick.
Have fun supprting those whos goal is to control and manipulate you, both parties do it.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:25 amI know in a better world, she would be on death row right now instead of sitting in the halls of Congress disrupting speeches.
Comment by MrMateo — July 27, 2006 @ 10:15 am
Yes indeed. Hitlers 1000 Year Reich. Death for freedom of speech … you are one red blooded American, aren’t yah?
July 27th, 2006 at 11:54 amI’m not a religious person, but I particularly like this quote by an evangelical Christian, Gary Vance:
July 27th, 2006 at 12:57 pm
Too…many……posts….to……read…for this………topic
July 27th, 2006 at 1:01 pmWHOOHOO! GO MEDEA! YOU ROCK, GIRL!=D
July 27th, 2006 at 1:07 pmDo you Liberals really want to wait to fight the terrorists until they are beheading Americans in Times Square? What you morons know about defending this country, could be written in three foot letters on the head of a pin!
July 27th, 2006 at 2:12 pmFree speech, always! Bad manners–never! People won’t listen to what you say if they hate the way you say it. All you end up doing is preaching to the choir. Most of us here, are the choir!
July 27th, 2006 at 2:47 pm#603 – another pissin-in-his-pants coward sounds off – if you think that’s actually going to happen, dummy, you need help fast. Paranoid nutcase bastard – can’t wait to see the article about how you eventually kill a family member with a “weapon of freedom” that you’re cleaning in the living room some night not far in the future. You’re a scared little mama’s boy with a fantasy about being bruce willis killing brown-skinned people who “done you wrong” – freak – I hope someone’s keeping track of you and your ammo purchases. Try shaving your head and moving to Idaho – seems to work out great for your type. Good job on the literacy, though – and they said that GED wouldn’t pay off.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:18 pmWhat strikes me is how backwards this all is… the people who actually care about maintaining and protecting freedom are labeled traitors and the neocon, war supporting, patriot act citizens are the “freedom” loving partriots. “Freedom is Slavery”, anyone (1984)?. I don’t think these are bad people, just misled and caught up in the fear created by the media for the purpose of control.
The liberal vs conservative and Democrat vs Repulican paradigms are simply part of an elaborate screenplay designed to distract us from the true globalist agenda, which is complete world domination and control by the elite. Everyone knows the golden rule, “he who has the gold, makes the rules”.
We are doing exactly what “they” want, which is fighting amongst each other instead of banding together for the true cause of freedom and self-direction for all mankind. Just want you to know that I love you all. God Bless.
Just my .$02 , now let the assault on my character begin….
visit – http://www.infowars.com
July 27th, 2006 at 5:37 pmPlease tell me what is worth fighting for? The defeat of slavery? The overthrow of nazism, facism, communism? Islamofacism? These so called militants are at war with each and every ideal that we as American’s hold dear. They will not stop until all of us infidels are either converted or slaughtered. So, it comes down to a choice; fight them or be murdered and enslaved by them. Which do you choose?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:05 pmAll you “progressive†women on here would be property in the cultures you hold is such hight esteem. In the Islamic world, most of you would be killed.
how small-minded of you to miss the point entirely. and your logic here is staggeringly misguided. ms benjamin’s protest isn’t in defense of prohibitive cultures where she would have no rights, it’s in defense of our own culture, where fear-manipulated subservient fools like yourself are only too happy to forfeit your rights, because you believe, as trail-mix states above, that terrorists are going to start “beheading Americans in Times Square”.
well, first off, if we really were under that threat, homeland security wouldn’t have cut new york’s terror funding. more importantly, if you are really that addled with fear, then you are one sad, easily-manipulated american. you may be fixated on what the terrorists believe, but i’m fixated on what WE believe. we are losing the ideological battle, mostly because of fools like yourself.
the only way we win is to strengthen and reinforce our freedoms and our way of life. the administration says, “they hate us for our freedoms,” which would seem to suggest that we need to more boldly pronounce our belief in those freedoms, not hide them away. and certainly not start spying on americans, tapping phones, mining internet data, and condemning people for exercising their rights of speech and assembly.
the underlying message of many of the comments critical of ms benjamin is that you think she shouldn’t be allowed to protest — that she should be “on death row” as the freedom-loving patriot mrmateo so wisely opines above.
how do we win if people aren’t free to protest? how do we win if people’s rights of free speech and assembly are quashed? how do we win if we compromise our freedom and our rights?
the idea that “the terrorists” are horrible, despicable people is well-worn, but i’m afraid i just can’t accept that defeating them means taking a step in their direction, ideologically.
no, the opposite is true. we need to be MORE egalitarian, MORE defiant in the face of the political cowardice of our leaders, MORE willing to stand up and say we don’t want our government committing atrocities in our name. in short, we need to show our government how good americans are supposed to act — with outrage that our good reputation is being destroyed by our government’s shameful behavior for the last 60 years (and more). because, quite frankly, they’ve forgotten how good americans are supposed to act. empire is not democracy.
there is no way we defeat terrorists by becoming more like them.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:23 pmyes, great analysis, warren. for a caveman, that is.
i repeat:
“if you want peace with terrorists you must become a terrorist yourself!â€
you must torture. you must adopt a kill or be killed attitude. you must devolve into an almost neanderthal-like mindset that can only discern two possible choices in any crisis or dilemma. you must set aside civil rights and liberties that are the only basis for our freedom in the first place. you must hate, and act on that hate.
those are all great things for a benevolent, democratic society to embrace.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:27 pmthanks for the suggestions.
another note to trail-mix – times square didn’t even make homeland security’s list of potential terror targets. i guess the terrorists will be beheading people at old macdonald’s petting zoo in woodville, alabama, instead.
there were over 77,000 sites on the list. times square, the empire state building, the brooklyn bridge and the statue of liberty weren’t on it.
did ya ever wonder if maybe the government wants you to THINK that terrorism is this huge threat, but to them it’s actually a big joke (and a convenient way to manipulate people)? especially when they have schmoes like you wetting your pants with fear and willing to do everything they say?
fear and subservience – republican values.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:50 pm#608 Warren – another paranoid coward/sissy – wow – it’s amazing that these “conservatives” will just up and proclaim what kind of fraidy-cat mama’s boys they really are…..if you’re afraid that a bunch of 3rd world muslims are going to enslave you, you are the most chickenshit, yellow-bellied, coward I’ve ever heard of. (The John Wayne side of me now slaps you like a woman caught in a fit of hysterics)
July 27th, 2006 at 10:39 pmWell said Tom.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:52 pmyep.
and it’s a very important point. every time these chicken littles wants to run around screaming “the terrorists are coming! AAAAAAAAAAH!” one of us needs to point out exactly what that is: fear and cowardice (republican values®)
and every time they want to narrow it down to “we need to kill them or they’ll kill us” one of us needs to point out exactly what that is: deciding that defeating the terrorists means becoming a terrorist yourself.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:06 pmAll America is a free speech zone. It just seems that America is getting small in a lot of places. Medea Benjamine was in her 21st day of fasting until the troops are brought home, or there is a workable plan agreed upon to move out very quickly. {Yesterday would have been best]. The Troops Home Fast is growing with more than 4,000 people around the world involved. We are serious and willing to sacrifice for peace. Diane Wilson is on her 21st day of a water only fast. The fasters went to the Iraq embassy to ask to speak with Mr. al- Maliki. The Ambassador acted as if he was concerned that they were fasting and said he would work to get an audience if they would break bread with Maliki and the embassy. The fasters waited for 2 days and the promise of any kind of answer was broken by the ambassador. Medea felt that the only way that the Iraqi Pres would hear from anti war people was to voice it in public. So, bravely she did, surrounded by security agents who grabbed her out as soon as she spoke.
But, the Iraqi Parlament was upset about the embassy stiffing the fasters and many of them requested that the fasters come to Jordan next week when the Parlament is coming back from a meeting in Cairo and break bread with them and share ideas and see the 28 point plan that the Iraqi Parlament has to remove the US troops as soon as possible. This is a large and broad spectra group from Parlament that wishes to bring the violence and the fast to a close. Several of the fasters will go, and will break fast with the Parlament to work for agreement. So look for news of this action, make sure your local media reports on what happens duing this next week and when the women bring information back to the American People. Meanwhile, those of us fasting across the states continue our fast to bring peace; sacrificing for our loved ones and for those suffering through the violence and bloodshed. love,Eliz
July 28th, 2006 at 12:58 amsad, sad. i lived in boston, 8 years. in my heart i am american. it was my dream. i left after sep.11, 2001. now i live in europe. i see with a broken heart how the most wonderful country is going to war with itself. it seems that what mr. bush wants is to allow all of americans to be mad at each other, and kill each other, just because they life in a tent or in a pethouse. cut it out you guys!! this is what they want that all americans are not paying attention to the facts, facts that here, in the rest of the world are more than obvious to say: “they are heading down in a spiral with no end”.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:44 amopen your eyes, research the facts! read, read, read, then talk and acuse one another to be a low class lazy bum. you need to be AMERICANS once and for all, what are you going to leave to your children! think about them!
Madea is a great leader; a courageous woman who speaks the truth.
We will continue to interrupt Congress, as they continue to fund an illegal and immoral war. Wake up America! Now even well-known conservatives are acknowledging that Iraq is a lost cause.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:13 pm
July 28th, 2006 at 2:52 pm“By questioning we doubt, by doubting, we percieve the truth
anamerican
Thanks for the positive feedback. I’ve come to realize over the past 6 long, miserable years (and actually learned during the Reagan-Bush years) that the only thing that will shut these wingnuts up is to call them, directly, on their bullshit. They seem to believe (and Rush is why) that we Americans who disagree with them are all 90lb. weaklings, whose principles will prevent them from ever fighting back. We all need to show them how wrong they are, to stand up right in their faces, call them liars and cowards, and shame them back into the dark backwaters of our culture where they belong. Unlike them, I do not believe they should be denied their right to exist or to speak, as they would have done with us. I do believe, however, that they should be shamed by informed people into holding their acid tongues until they’ve gathered enough fact to be fit to comment on anything. Shame, like fear and greed, is one of the things that motivates them, something they understand, and I, for one, will not hesitate to shame these bastards, for they are indeed shameful. Anyone who will publicly assert fantasy as fact, while utterly denying the facts put before them is not fit to participate in a Fire Department Pancake Breakfast, let alone the discussion of how best to live up to American principles. Join me in whacking a troll every chance you get, ’cause we’re sure as hell not going to convince them of anything they don’t want to believe.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:44 pmI’m in. You bring a great fire to this. I will not stand for further distortions to be thrown about as truths. ignorance, fear and shame have been used by this admin to push there agenda and after 5 years we can see the fruits of this labor.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:49 pmI’M all for getting the ax handles out and start attacking propagandist nazi fascist like fox news. Not that I’m propagating violence but I’d love to see the look on their faces when they see us “cowards” marching up to the station. It would be fun to see who would crap themselves first, my monies on hannity, let’s beat up colms just for principle. How about burning a pile of Ann coultergiest books and smashing a couple bookstores that promote her book. I know it’s censorship but what the hell 9/11 changed everyrthing. Then we go to rushes house and use his lawn for a toilet. Did anyone notice that Iraqi lackey invoke 9/11 into his speech, must have been written by tony snowjob. POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
July 29th, 2006 at 2:37 am614 “All America is a free speech zone.’
Thank you for more information – facts – about our lone protester. I was impressed by her courage; now, I am more impressed by her strength in her beliefs. If only more of us had her courage and stamina.
Thank you for your post.
July 29th, 2006 at 2:35 pm