Armitage Fears Bombing Campaign Will ‘End Up Empowering Hezbollah’
Armitage Fears Bombing Campaign Will ‘End Up Empowering Hezbollah’
Richard Armitage dramatically broke ranks with his neoconservative allies yesterday, saying in a radio interview that he feared it was impossible to eliminate Hezbollah through airstrikes, and that by attempting to do so, “you’re going to end up empowering Hezbollah, and perhaps introducing an element into the body politic in Lebanon that will take some great period of time to recover from.” Armitage also criticized the Bush administration for refusing to talk directly to Syria.
According to a database search, no major media outlets have yet printed Armitage’s remarks. Listen:
Armitage was Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Reagan when the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon was bombed in 1983, and served as second-in-command at the State Department under President George W. Bush. In 1998, he signed the Project for a New American Century letter to President Clinton urging regime change in Iraq.
The Bush administration has thus far “giving a tacit blessing” to the escalating Mideast violence. During crisis talks in Rome yesterday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice bucked the “entreaties of nearly all of her European and Arab counterparts” to push for a ceasefire.
Full transcript:
NPR: You were an assistant secretary of defense back in 1982, when a peacekeeping force was sent into Lebanon, a multinational force stationed there but ultimately forced to withdraw. Talk to us about that, and what we might draw from that.
ARMITAGE: It was a very troubled time, actually, and sooner rather than later we became involved — or were seen as taking sides — in someone else’s civil war. And ultimately we lost 241 Naval and Marine personnel.
NPR: In the bombing of the…
ARMITAGE: Yes, in the October ‘83 bombing.
NPR: Are there parallels between that peacekeeping force and now?
ARMITAGE: Well, I remember with stunning clarity one of our Israeli interlocutors sitting in my office, telling me that, “Don’t worry about this peace in Galilee operation. We understand our neighbors very well. We understand them better than anyone. We know all the dynamics of the situation in Lebanon.” And that turned out not quite to be the case.
I suspect that people in government now are also hearing that from Israel. Don’t get me wrong — if I thought that this air campaign would work, and would eliminate Nasrullah and the leadership of Hezbollah, I think it would all be fine. But I fear that you can’t do this from the sky, and that you’re going to end up empowering Hezbollah, and perhaps introducing an element into the body politic in Lebanon that will take some great period of time to recover from.
NPR: An element into the body politic that as yet we do not know?
ARMITAGE: I think we do not know. And we’re not, as far as I’m concerned, using all the levers that we have, such as having the Secretary of State talk to the Syrians. I think they want to get involved. I think they want to become more central to a solution, and you might as well give them the opportunity. If they step up to it, fine. If they don’t, we’ll know them for what they are.
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If Israel was bombing Florida (that would be ironic) or some nearby neighbor, Shrub would understand why most of Europe is calling for a cease fire.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:51 pmwell, i don’t think that what is going on in lebanon is really for us americans to talk about. i mean, israel is our ally, and, we must be with her always.
i think what we should take from the comment by armitage is that our goverment should enlarge the conflict to syria and iran so that we can finally rid ourselves of terrorism and israel can go on with their much more important lives.
thank you.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:53 pmSwiftboating of Armitage to commence in three….two…one….
July 27th, 2006 at 5:00 pmpunchy,
i think it is ‘medal time’ for the dick… what he is essentially doing is setting the groundwork of expansion into syria and iran. more war is good to these guys…
just an idea.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:02 pmRichard Armitage saying in a radio interview that he feared it was impossible to eliminate Hezbollah through airstrikes………well no shit stupid…….don’t remember Viet Nam, eh?
July 27th, 2006 at 5:06 pmIn case you missed the morning link, Bob Herbert writes about “Failure Upon Failure.”
I’ll be in a corner now for a while tearing what’s left of my hair out over my barely seventeen year-old daughter’s engagement to a right winger.
It’s so exciting to be me, these days.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:07 pmBeing engaged to a right-winger should not be as alarming as getting married at 17…
July 27th, 2006 at 5:10 pmhey, j!
thanks for the recent mo post! it was one of her best….
July 27th, 2006 at 5:13 pmyou think he’s going to break her heart when he signs up for duty in Iraq?……………HAHAHAHAHA
July 27th, 2006 at 5:14 pmBeing engaged to a right-winger should not be as alarming as getting married at 17…
Comment by DieNowForPeace
Indeed … being young and in love is great… but in the long run it is dumb.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:17 pmspineless in georgetown: I have bookmarked your blogs. Gives the heart hope to know there are still real Americans out there who can think beyond the Democratic States of America and the Republican States of America. I though that particular breed became extinct in the early 70’s.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:22 pmI hear Swift Boats …
Please drop by and check Agitprop’s Thursday Wingnut Roundup. Teh funny, if I say so myself.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:23 pmThe Australian – News
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19936735-601,00.html
July 27th, 2006 at 5:24 pmNeokooks seem to be unravelinmg at the seems and dissent is on the rise.
Precludes one thing, the current admin’s plans are insane or the emporer has no clothes.
Bush’s total war legacy or bust… more likely the later.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:28 pmHey, when I was 17, I was somewhat of a right winger too. I grew out of it gradually during my 20’s and 30’s. But I wasn’t contemplating getting married – I agree that that’s the really scary part.
I heard Armitage yesterday on NPR. He was talking sense, especially when criticizing the Bush administration for only wanting to talk to the people they like. Well, that list seems to be growing shorter and shorter, and they’re going to be left just talking to themselves. I guess that’s just the price you pay when you’re so morally superior to everyone else in the world.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:32 pmIf it brings about the rapture, at least we won’t have to worry about middle east war, oil prices or anything else. I think you missing the “big picture” here.
/sarcasm
July 27th, 2006 at 5:33 pmArmitage is right but he’s not part of the Administrations plan on world war 111 so no one listens. Americans would rather believe Bush say stay the course and watch our troops die or stay in Iraq until they are dead. Americans will send the soldiers to Israel and fight but never will the supports of Bush or the rich have their kids join the military. Next you might have a stupid person like Tony Snow say send the immigrates to fight for the US to get citizens just don’t send the middle class or rich kids anybody else but them. Oh and make sure the Iraq students get in the US for their college education while Americans kids either can’t afford it or parents have to take out a second mortgage to pay. Yet the US Treasury will paid the bill for the Iraq students education per President Bush. Don’t forget to give as much money as possible to Iraq and Afghan don’t hold back Americans don’t mine paying higher taxes when Bush leaves us broke.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:36 pmInteresting, comming from someone who, in a way, is a “sponsor” (PNAC) of all this. And just yesterday i was trying to explain to someone here why, maybe, just maybe, reason could lead to common ground, and that could be the foundation for a better future to the ME.
Perhaps one could think that this is good news.
Peace
July 27th, 2006 at 5:37 pmSpineless, I guess you like seeing $10 billion in US taxes going to aide the agressors for the past 60 years.
Here’s a clue, until the US rewards occupation by Israel, does not treat the Arabs as equals to the Israelis, and does not broker a peace where Israel, Lebanon, and Palestine all have homelands to live in peace, There will continue to be terrorists at the doorstep of America.
Maybe Armitage has concluded the past 60 years of stay the course in the midlle east hasn’t and won’t work.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:38 pmSorry, that is $10 billion a year for 60 years in your tax dollars.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:39 pmBrilliant!!
July 27th, 2006 at 5:42 pmWhat insight and right on target. Pardon the pun.
DieNowForPeace
#1. Wow, what other ‘if’s could you make up? Full menu, please.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:43 pmDavid B
“seeing $10 billion in US taxes going to aide the agressors for the past 60 years.”
“… a year …”
You either do not know what are you talking about or lying with purpose.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:48 pmIt would be nice if there could be a little peace now and then.
Nah.
Keep up the war and the killing, it pays good money.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:52 pmWow Rick, I would suggest seeking psychological help. You need it. maybe some mood stabilizers, some anti-depressents, Lithium for your bipolar disorder. A rabies shot.
once you stop frothing at the mouth, maybe you will actually make sense and be taken seriously.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:07 pmMaybe the Americans should have listened to the arabs when they said not to reward zionist terrorism?
In other words, the Americans should have taken their cues from the nazi europeans and appeased the islamo-fascists. The left is just frustrated that Israel still exists. “Just give it to the islamo-fascists. Then maybe they’ll place nice”.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:23 pmRick
#25 “The europeans can’t hide their anti-semitism anymore. The fascist/communist jew-hatred of yesteryear continues to bubble to the surface.”
Excellent point, right to the roots, BRA-VA. Thank you very much.
Ironically, we (in USA) are talking things and comparing it to Europe like Europe is the same place as the USA is. Most Americans have no clue that Europe actually is not the same place as the USA.
So, why even bother what they say? Let them grow up a bit – they will agree with us.
Besides, we pay taxes so The Administration takes care of our National interests, not the world order or europian opinions.
Don’t we?
July 27th, 2006 at 6:26 pmKrazny
#26.
Wow, very informative, very progressive…
July 27th, 2006 at 6:27 pmGerald Gibson
“Proof? None? Of coarse”
What ‘coarse’ do you need: fine, mild or well done?
July 27th, 2006 at 6:29 pmGerald Gibson
“Maybe the Americans should…”
U-u–u-h, somebody else knows what i should ….
I’m not worthy, I’m not worthy…
July 27th, 2006 at 6:32 pmComment by One Jew
Soooo some punks kick over some jewish grave stones… some neonazis chant old nazi slogans… and some KKK types burn a synagoge…. and all of europe are nazis? Hell have you ever heard the rightwingers go on about jews here in America?
The reality is that the zionists have gotten alot of mileage out of saying ANTI-SEMITE! everytime anyone from Europe, America, or anywhere else demands Israel act like civilized human beings and admit their mistake with how they handled themselves during their terrorist days…. and their more recent settlement days… simple as that.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:32 pmGerald Gibson
#31. How’s your care going?
July 27th, 2006 at 6:34 pm#31. How’s your care going?
Comment by One Jew
I have no clue what you are talking about…
But history is history … you may not like it … but it doesnt care if you dont like it…. that is how truth works… which is where that saying comes from “Sometimes the truth hurts.”
July 27th, 2006 at 6:35 pmGerald Gibson
#34. I am in the USA. Where are you? What country?
Just so I can make an example that you could relate easier to. For your own, per ce, benefit.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:36 pmgerald gibson if you bothered to travel to Europe you would see the hatred that many Europeans have for the Jews, especially in France.
the hatred from the left towards Israel is disgusting. The sad part is that then you whacky liberals turn around and call the right wingers Nazis. sad, truly sad.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:37 pmGerdal gibson, sorry, your revisionist history is not history. Your wishful history is not history. The voices in your head telling you that what you spew is history, is not history.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:39 pm#15
“Hey, when I was 17, I was somewhat of a right winger too. I grew out of it gradually during my 20’s and 30’s.”
After being reprogramed during college?
July 27th, 2006 at 6:39 pm“Keep the Peace. We Don’t Want It.” Starring Condi on the piano and vocals by the Hoff and Mini Hoff!
Be there or… don’t be there.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:39 pm#5; Armitage had a plan to get out of Vietnam- draft deferments.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:40 pmGerdal gibson, sorry, your revisionist history is not history. Your wishful history is not history. The voices in your head telling you that what you spew is history, is not history.
Comment by leftisnuts
I didnt revise anything .. I read it out of old british newspapers…
July 27th, 2006 at 6:41 pmgerald gibson if you bothered to travel to Europe you would see the hatred that many Europeans have for the Jews, especially in France.
the hatred from the left towards Israel is disgusting. The sad part is that then you whacky liberals turn around and call the right wingers Nazis. sad, truly sad.
Comment by leftisnuts
You know why I dont believe you about France? Even though I have never been there?
Because you say that anyone in America that points out the obvious historical time line is a communist… if you were more truthful and honest I might believe you.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:42 pmDavid B, Israel the agressor for the past 60 years? oh man you liberals are something else!!!
Where do you kids learn your history? I guess you were never taught in school how after a United Nations resolution created Israel and after 1948 Israel was created and the last british soldier left Israel, all the Arab natiosn without provocation from Israel attacked it.
Israel did NOTHING in 1948 to be attacked, in fact it was the Arab nations who were the agressors and Israel defended itself.
Please learn some history before you sound so uneducated.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:43 pmGiven your condescending tone, and obvious sociopathic tendencies One Jew. I doubt that anything you say will be beneficial. We can go on ad nasuem about the stituation between the Isreali’s and Palestinians. However both sides are to blame for the current violence. In this type of war, both factions get covered in mud. Hamas and Hezbollah, don’t care who they kill. And any Isreali response plays into their hands. How many more Lebonese will sign up with Hezbollah, now that Isreal is bombing their country? The Lebonese and Palestinian governments, share equal blame for being unable to maintain control. Allowing these groups to operate outside of government restrictions.
The west got over the Fuedal/Tribal societies long ago. the middle east has not.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:45 pmFrance, Germany, Austria, etc have a huge, huge anti-semtic problem. I don’t care if you believe it or not Gerald Gibson, the truth is the truth. You can cover your eyes and blind yourself to it, but the truth is the truth.
Europe is full of anti-semites, just like the left in America.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:45 pmDavid B, Israel the agressor for the past 60 years? oh man you liberals are something else!!!
Where do you kids learn your history?
Theleftisnuts, by definition, most of the left is weak-minded, irrational, and easily indoctrinated. So when some fascist, socialist academic lies to them, they willingly accept it.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:49 pmSo Krazny what do you suggest that it is done, more talks and talks and talks. Every single diplomat in the world has been talking their heads of since the day that the United Nations created Israel in the Middle East and what good has it done.
Obviously diplomacy hasn’t worked.
Israel for the past 6 years has been following the “Land for Peace” ideology and it hasn’t worked, why?
becuase what Hezzbollah and Hamas want is not just land, they want to kill all the Jews in the world and they want the complete and utter destruction of Israel, so pleases do tell us all how you work out a permanent, not a temporary diplomatic solution.
You might get hezzbollah and hamas to stop fighting for a few years so that they can replenish their ranks and weapons, but i can assure you that this will happen again.
we need a permanent solution, not band aids.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:49 pmIsrael did NOTHING in 1948 to be attacked, in fact it was the Arab nations who were the agressors and Israel defended itself.
Please learn some history before you sound so uneducated.
Comment by leftisnuts
This is a lie. They were bombing and killing people for years before that. Just like you dont want to reward terrorism now .. it should not have been rewarded then.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:50 pmRick, tell me about it. honestly, I don’t know where the left learns its history.
Gerald Gibson you are only telling one side of the story with the whole Israelis bombing British soldiers, the Arabs, the Palestinians were doing it too.
Israel was not born out of terrorism, IT WAS BORN OUT OF A UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION. please open up a book and get an education.
and you keep on using the term Zionist, your true racist colors show through and through. I truly pity people like you.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:51 pmFrance, Germany, Austria, etc have a huge, huge anti-semtic problem. I don’t care if you believe it or not Gerald Gibson, the truth is the truth. You can cover your eyes and blind yourself to it, but the truth is the truth.
Europe is full of anti-semites, just like the left in America.
Comment by leftisnuts
I pointed out the few antiJew things I know about… if you know so much about it why not list them? I read Israeli news so I assume they would mention it if it happened… but provide some links … otherwise you are just a liar.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:53 pmAND in criticizing Israel for their misdeeds, does NOT make one an antisemitic.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:53 pmleftnuts – what do you call the israeli refuseniks??????
July 27th, 2006 at 6:54 pmREAD THE ARAB AWAKENING FOR THE TRUTH! It is still available through Amazon.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:55 pmGerald Gibson just because you want it to be a lie, it doesn’t make it a lie.
I am sorry that you are so blind and that you have so much hate for the Jews that you can’t see the truth.
Israel was born out of a United Nations resolution, not out of terrorism. Stop spewing so much venom against Israel.
I can guarantee you that your hate for Israel is not going to get israel to be taken out of the Middle East. it is there to stay.
and madashell, sorry all the Jews in Israel today can probably trace their ancestry all the way back to Roman times and before.
you and Gerald Gibson seem to be contradicting each other. You claim that there were no Jews and that the Jews pushed the Palestinians out of the way.
sorry kid, that area was conquered by the Turks since the 1300s until about WWI. If you really want to get picky, that area belongs to the Turks, right?
let us not forget that it was the Romans that created the Great Diaspora of the Jews, but as Gerald Gibson has said, (about the only thing he has gotten right) is that Jews were in what today is israel long before the STate of Israel was created by a United Nations resolution.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:57 pmIf you trolls could perhaps post some cites where we lefties could “learn” where your anti-Europe rhetoric comes from that would be most helpful. I mean, if ALL of Europe are anti-semites as you write, there must be something out there to prove this.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:58 pm#19
Land for peace has worked since Israel was created. The objective of the terrorists isn’t to reclaim Arab land and end occupation. You are right trying to appease the terrorists with land deals hasn’t worked for the last 60 years.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:59 pmHonestly I don’t know. the best solution would of course be for hamas and Hezbollah to accept the existance of the state of Isreal and strive to re-build their countries. the constant warfare in Palestine, has destroyed any sort of standard of living. And Lebenon appears to be next.
Alot of this comes down to control of radical fringe groups. One thing I don’t understand, is why the Lebonese and Isreali governments, are not working together to eliminate Hezbollah. I can assure if a radical fringe group was shooting rockets over the Canadian border, the US and Canadian governments would put a stop to it PDQ.
Gerald I woulnd’t bother with Rick. He is looking to make somone angry. His posts are designed to inflame and anger. He is what I call a “turd”. Do you self a favor and ignore his mad rantings.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:01 pmThis is what Charles Mann (National Geographic) has to say about Israel in the bood Material World:
Born in in fire after the Second World War, modern Israel has spent almost all of its existence in turmoil. Its creation as a homeland for Jews outraged Arabs in neighboring nations, who felt that the new state had been imposed on them by OUTSIDERS. Amid undiminshed animosity, brief wars flared in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973; there have also been innumerable raids, sorties, and bombing runs. Aided by WESTERN powers, Israel prevailed in all major conflicts, SEIZING ARAB TERRITORY in 1967 and 1973.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:03 pmEUROPES “GUILT” GARBAGE
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WHEN AND WHERE did this war begin? Shortly after 9 a.m. local time on Wednesday, July 12, when Hezbollah militants seized Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev — Israeli reservists on the last day of their tour of duty — in a cross-border raid into northern Israel? Friday, June 9, when Israeli shells killed at least seven Palestinian civilians on a beach in the Gaza Strip? In January, when Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections in a backhanded triumph for an American policy of supporting democratization? In 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon? In 1979, with the Islamic revolution in Iran? In 1948, with the creation of the state of Israel? Or how about Russia in the spring of 1881?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:04 pmjules, the proof is everytime some socialist european opens his/her mouth. The proof is the UN resolutions against Israel, automagically supported by the Europeans. The proof is the historical fascist/communist killing of jews in Europe. The proof are the demonstrations in Europe against Israel, but where are the demonstrations against Hezbollah.
It’s ok Jules, we know you Americans leftists are blind when it comes to your european thought leaders motivations.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:04 pmI wish that everytime somebody even remotely brought up the slightest bit of critisim towards secularism I could claim that that person just being a hateful anti-secularite.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:05 pmISRAEL CREATED BOTH HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS!
July 27th, 2006 at 7:05 pmkranzy,
How do you negotiate with a terrorist group that wants your complete and utter destruction and the mass murdering of all your people?
I believe that the reason that Lebanon is not working harder to get rid of Hezzbollah is for a couple of reasons.
1) It doesn’t have the power to do so.
2) If it tried, Syria and Iran would occupy it. Remember Lebanon was occupied by Syria for over 20 years. You can bet your behind that Syria still has a lot of influence in lebanon.
3) Syria and Iran are supporting hezzbollah militarily. Lebanon has never had a real army to speak of.
I would agree that Lebanon is caught in the middle of a fight between hezzbollah, syria, and iran vs. Israel.
but once again, what is Israel to do, stand by and watch hezzbollah grow to a point that will cause a much greater damage later on?
You liberals really need to know that we conservatives don’t like war, but we understand that sometimes wars must be fought, yes even offensive wars.
also remember that it is hezzbollah who hides amongst civilians, who hides their weapons in mosques, in civilian buildings. What is Israel to do?
diplomacy hasn’t worked for the past 60 years, that is obvious, so i think what is happening now is the best solution.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:06 pmSorry Rick – does not cut it. You, like your supreme leader, are expecting us to take your word for your statements without any proof. Too many lies have required we have proof.
I do not make assertions without proof unless I clarify that it is my opinion.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:07 pmhere is some proof of anti-semitism in Europe….
“Invoking a scene from the film Schindler’s List, one of Norway’s largest newspapers recently published a political cartoon comparing Prime Minster Ehud Olmert to the infamous commander of a Nazi death camp who indiscriminately murdered Jews by firing at them at random from his balcony.
The caricature by political cartoonist Finn Graff appeared on July 10 in the Oslo daily Dagbladet.”
July 27th, 2006 at 7:08 pmOMG – this is the funniest thing I have read in days:
“You liberals really need to know that we conservatives don’t like war, but we understand that sometimes wars must be fought, yes even offensive wars.”
Yeah…like Iraq? Idiot!!
July 27th, 2006 at 7:09 pmwhy don’t the Jewish peoples move here to the U.S., there is bound to be less angry people that want to kill them here than in Israel. Hell, nobody in this country has tried to exterminate the mormons. U.S. is just as holy as any other place on earth.. Our money even says “in God we trust” on it!!
July 27th, 2006 at 7:09 pmhoo wee… it’s like troll stew in here…
July 27th, 2006 at 7:10 pmpretty think, and deep… need boots…
jules, oh please Democrats do that all the time….”just believe us, we care about you.”
your beloved party leaders want Americans to believe them just because they say so. Amazing how no Democrat complain when Clinton or others said, trust me.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:10 pm#70 – you are basing your entire arguement on one cartoon from one newspaper? *sigh*
July 27th, 2006 at 7:10 pmThe conservative belief seems to be that white peoples lives are worth more than brown peoples.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:10 pmWell, madashell, krazny, katy and Gerald, you have this well in hand. It is troll lite tonight. There isn’t even one good arguemnt from these trolls.
Have a blessed evening (plagerism at its best…thanks Sharon) and be safe.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:12 pmfirst off, I am not defending Hezbollah, or hamas. Please read the tone of my posts. They are terrorist organizations who kill the innocent.
I am curious about the connections between Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah. I have heard them mentioned, but have seen very little proof of a connection. I am not saying it isn’t happening. I would like to read up on the situation.
Frankly if Isreal offered to help the lebonese government there is not much the Syrians could do. The Syrians in 67 I believe charged across the border with a tank force that would have made Hitler jelous and got their collected asses handed to them.
Realistically there hasn’t been 60 years of diplomacy. the region has flucuated between all out war and and occasional skirmishes. I would have to have a comprehensive list of what has been tried before coming up with a plan. This is all contigent however on the Palestians taking back their country and throwing out Hamas.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:13 pmLand for peace has worked since Israel was created. The objective of the terrorists isn’t to reclaim Arab land and end occupation. You are right trying to appease the terrorists with land deals hasn’t worked for the last 60 years.
Comment by Tracy
If zionists took texas and florida and gave back just texas would you accept that? NOPE … NO ONE WOULD… and arabs are people just like you.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:17 pmGerald Gibson, get a clue…
Arabs have owned more slaves in the history of humanity than any other race on the face of planet Earth.
once again, you are coming unhinged and you prove your complete and utter ignorance.
admitted it, you are a racist and you hate Jews.
and so what the Israelis call themselves Zionists. Black people in America call themselves the “n” word, but what happens if a white, latino, asian, etc person uses the “n” word against a black person? they are considered, and rightly so, racists.
Anyone outside of the Israelis that calls them Zionists is a racist. You know you are a racist, just admitted and move on.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:17 pm#60
Not “proof” but….
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3234264.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,11981,1092466,00.html
Remember it’s only been about 60 years since Hilter gave a new meaning to the term anti-semitism. Europe is where the term came from.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:18 pm#73, forget the boots, it’s too deep for that, break out the hip waders.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:19 pm#81
Should Isreal just dissolve as a state? Who really has a RIGHT to the land which is presently called Isreal?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:21 pm“Invoking a scene from the film Schindler’s List, one of Norway’s largest newspapers recently published a political cartoon comparing Prime Minster Ehud Olmert to the infamous commander of a Nazi death camp who indiscriminately murdered Jews by firing at them at random from his balcony.
The caricature by political cartoonist Finn Graff appeared on July 10 in the Oslo daily Dagbladet.â€
Comment by leftisnuts
Though in bad taste that is NOT anti-semitism … Anti-semitism would be if they made Olmert look like a monkey like the nazis did… they tried to make the jews look like nonhumans…. the Europeans are ANTI-Israeli aggression… totally different from anti-Jew
July 27th, 2006 at 7:21 pmKranzy, I don’t agree with you, but you seem to be sane. (i am not being condescending, don’t take it this way).
Listen, Israel was put there by the United Nations, correct? why? Because many Europeans and the United States felt it was the world’s duties to make up for what the Nazi’s had done to them. Also because historically this land belonged to the Jews. Even though the Roman Diaspora happened not all Jews left that area. Jews have been in what today is Israel for centuries, for millenia.
Also, diplomacy has been tried. ex-President Clinton tried it, correct? and what happened, Yaser Arafat could not accept the deal that he was getting from israel. Israel was offering to Yaser Arafat 98% of the land he was asking for and Yaser Arafat backed out. why?
because once again it is not about land, but about the destruction of the State of Israel.
Diplomacy has been tried on and off in the Middle East and it has never worked.
I will agree that Israel is considered the regional super power in that area and the Arabs know this.
Still though, I would urge you to do your own research and you will find that Iran and Syria are supporting militarily and with personnel Hezzbollah.
I mean think about it, who do you think gave Hezzbollah the missle that hit the Israeli navy ship? You can be sure that Hezzbollah didn’t create it.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:23 pmYeah, the left is nuts:
Under the right wing administration:
1) Biggest terrorist attack on US soil (9/11)
2) Patriot Act: undermining civil rights and freedoms
3) Cutting taxes for rich people and asking more for students and working class
4) Disastrous foreign policy
5) People´s approval of presidency at its lowest
6) 2600 american soldiers dead, hundreds of injured and thousand of civilians dead.
7) No trace of Osama Bin Laden
8) Civil war in Iraq, bombings every day.
9) Taliban not in its last throes
10) NO WMDS
11) Backing Israel at the bombing of civilians, bridges and power plants for 2 abducted soldiers.
12) GWB´s formidable illiteracy and ignorance
13) Biggest terrorist attack on US soil (9/11)
Again, the left must be nuts.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:25 pmjules, you are one condescending uneducated liberal. try to get an education before you make pathetic and ridiculous comments.
you spew left wing propaganda and you believe that you are original. I am embarrassed for you and your family.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:25 pmAnyone outside of the Israelis that calls them Zionists is a racist. You know you are a racist, just admitted and move on.
Comment by leftisnuts
You just made that up… I have NEVER seen that anywhere and have been reading on this subject for a long time… you lost your argument and are now making stuff up.
Once again you try justifying American slavery by saying the arabs did it to? So if some space alien some where drinks baby blood Americans can do that also? What universe are you from? Twilight Zone?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:26 pmRemember it’s only been about 60 years since Hilter gave a new meaning to the term anti-semitism. Europe is where the term came from.
Comment by Tracy
I am not arguing that there was no Jew hating in europe in the past… there have been a few different holocausts …. not just the nazi one… but after all those millions of racist people died dont you think that maybe there is less racism there now? Maybe not… I just have never seen any proof that the KKK is alive and well in Europe … as usuall prove it and I will join you in calling out European KKK types also …. but I have been reading on this and have not seen any proof of it.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:29 pmShould Isreal just dissolve as a state? Who really has a RIGHT to the land which is presently called Isreal?
Comment by Tracy
If this was 1950 or 1955 then ya I would say disolve it… but it is too late now.. alot of people in Israel are NOT zionists and were born there and know themselves as Israelis… it is too late for that now… Israel just needs to stop calling everyone anti-semites and give back the land post 1948 and then go to the UN for a treaty with the arabs… if the arabs still refuse after Israel has shown COMPLETE good faith then I say bomb the arabs until they look like the germans 1945… but until a GOOD FAITH effort is attempted… and not just 98% … then they have no right pretending like the arabs have no arguement for justice.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:31 pmJuan C, sorry kid, you couldn’t be more wrong because it is impossible.
1) There have been less terrorist attacks on American interests since President Bush took office.
2) 9/11 happened only 8 months after Bush took office, but 96 months after clinton took office. You tell me who had more time to get Osama. Furthermore, you liberals seem to forget that the first WTC bombing happened in 1993 under President Clinton. How do you explain that?
3) Under Clinton Osama Bin Laden said that the USA was like a paper tiger. Under Bush he is hiding under a rock terrified to come out of hiding. Under Clinton Osama was giving major interviews to news channels like ABC.
4) Under Clinton Osama and Al Qaeda carried out over 4 major terrorist attacks on American soil or interests abroad. What did Clinton do to get rid of Al Qaeda and Osama.
5) If you believe Bush is ignorant and illiterate than what do you call all those Democrats that believed him and voted for the war in Iraq.
6) It is well known that Bush received better grades in college than John kerry, so what does that make John kerry.
7) Our enemies fear us and know that messing with us is going to cost them deeply.
You liberals really need to get out more and stop spewing left wing talking points, they get old and are pure and utter lies.
Remember, there was a history before January of 2001, most of you liberals don’t know that.
Tell us all, what did the Democrats do to make America a better place under Clinton, in fact, Democrats controlled Congress from about the end of WWII until Clinton’s first term in office, what did the Democrats do to make our education better, our foreign policy better, our tax system better, social security better, etc, etc, etc.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:33 pm#80
“You can label the left all you want but the left are not little wussies that go and cry to mommy about it like the right is…”
The left CONSTANTLY cries about a land DISPUTE that goes back thousands of years. Even if the Zionists atoned for their sins by helping the Palestinians create their own state (the Palestinian’s are racked with sin as well), it wouldn’t make a bit of difference to Hamas and Hezbollah. The current Jihad movement makes the Zionists look like saints.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:33 pmnah… no anti-semitism in repugnican land, ’specially taxas:
Deputy Leader Dick’s hunting buddies.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:34 pmhilarious video
1) There have been less terrorist attacks on American interests since President Bush took office.
Comment by leftisnuts
2500+Americans are not American interest?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:35 pmjustifying American slavery? what the heck?
and just so you know, it was Democrats who fought during the Civil War to keep slavery alive. Remember, or more like let me teach you, Lincoln was a REpublican, the Democrats ruled the South and they wanted slavery.
it was also Democrats who filibustered the 1960s Civil Rights Act, Al Gore’s dad and Senator KKK Byrd lead the way in filibustering this Act. It was thanks to the Republicans siding with Lyndon B. Johnson that the Civil Rights Act was passed, but don’t let history get on the way of you making up lies.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:36 pmGerald Gisbson, you moron, that is called a war!!
would you consider the 250,000 Americans that died in WWII to have been killed through terrorist acts by the nazis?
get a clue and an education while you are it.
and remember, your best is my worst, I am just getting warmed up.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:37 pmwould you consider the 250,000 Americans that died in WWII to have been killed through terrorist acts by the nazis?
get a clue and an education while you are it.
and remember, your best is my worst, I am just getting warmed up.
Comment by leftisnuts
Bush calls it terrorism … you hate bush now?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:42 pmmore proof of anti-semitism in Europe….
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/000926.htm
Warnings On European Antisemitism
July 27th, 2006 at 7:43 pmAt a conference in Vienna, Austria, former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani urged European officials to do more to combat the growth of Antisemitism across Europe. According to data published by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, attacks on Jews in Europe are at their highest levels since World War II.
I wish this guy was still in the Bush administration. Wait…nobody listened to him when he was thre. Oh well…
He’s finally giving some real common sense analysis of this whole situation. Of course Hezbollah will be strengthened by the Israeli aggression. It’s already getting hundreds of new recruits flocking to it. It’ll be Iraq all over again.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
July 27th, 2006 at 7:43 pmThe Lebanese civilian death toll reaches 600
And
The right-wing attacks the UN yet again, saying that they are sheltering Hezbollah and lied about the deliberate Israeli attack on a Un post. But those right-wingers are the real liars.
Only on SSA Blog
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
really, Bush calls it terrorism? wow, really….so he doesn’t call it the Iraq War, eh?
stop spewing your lies kid. you know you hate jews, you know you lack education, etc, etc.
plus IF Bush calls it terrorism he is wrong, plain and simple. I am not a robot like you kid. I don’t blindly follow like you do.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:44 pmmore proof of anti-semitism in Europe….
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/000926.htm
Warnings On European Antisemitism
At a conference in Vienna, Austria, former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani urged European officials to do more to combat the growth of Antisemitism across Europe. According to data published by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, attacks on Jews in Europe are at their highest levels since World War II.
Comment by leftisnuts —
Well I read it expecting to find something useful… either it is all BS (because they provided ZERO information to base their claims on… is it one more attack per 10 years? per week?) OR it could be true but since the EU doesnt keep statistics we cant really tell…
got something with some real numbers in it? or maybe a list of all the attacks? I already listed vandalism against graves… and that is all that was mentioned in that article… can you provide more?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:48 pmLCLiberal, put down the kool aid and try to read the original e-mail. wow, some of you are way to far gone to be helped.
If you hate Israel so much go over to Hezzbollah and help them defeat Israel, ok? other wise shut up you are spewing propaganda and it is beyond sad.
Today’s New York Sun reports what the Times doesn’t.
“An apparent discrepancy in the portrayal of events surrounding the deaths of four unarmed U.N. observers in Lebanon threatens to unravel Secretary-General Annan’s initial accusation that Israel “deliberately” targeted the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon.
“A Canadian U.N. observer, one of four killed at a UNIFIL position near the southern Lebanese town of Khiyam on Tuesday, sent an e-mail to his former commander, a Canadian retired major-general, Lewis MacKenzie, in which he wrote that Hezbollah fighters were ‘all over’ the U.N. position, Mr. MacKenzie said. Hezbollah troops, not the United Nations, were Israel’s target, the deceased observer wrote.
“A senior U.N. peacekeeping operation official who briefed the press yesterday, however, said that on the day the deaths occurred, the only ‘known Hezbollah activity was 5 kilometers away.’ The official’s briefing was conditioned on anonymity, but the undersecretary-general for peacekeeping operations, Jane Holl Lute, supplied the Security Council with similar information at an earlier briefing yesterday.â€
July 27th, 2006 at 7:48 pmComment by leftisnuts
You are losing your argument and getting boring… you are now down to calling me a kid (32) , uneducated (I am a software engineer), and a racist…. well how can I prove that I am not? Maybe all the anti-racist stuff I post on here? But as I said you are losing your argument … it is sinking fast … better find some actual links/facts or else you are going to drown in your Rush Limbaugh talking points.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:50 pmIt was widely believed that Armitage is the official who first told columnist Robert Novak of Valerie Plame’s involvement in Joe Wilson’s trip to Niger. I find it interesting that his words are being treated with such reverance here.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:50 pmPhew, this thread really brought out the trolls!
July 27th, 2006 at 7:51 pmI find the whole anti-Semitism thing really strange. Why is it that the conservatives are suddenly so solicitous of the feeliings of the Jewish people? Where were they in say, 1933?
I know, it’s all in favor of SELLING ARMS. Israel is the US’s best customer.
Slightly off topic, I had my own very first brush with anti-Semitism this past week, out of the country – it was annoying but certainly not something I would feel worth going to war over!
#92
“If this was 1950 or 1955 then ya I would say disolve it.”
Why? Give it to who? Why is the land situation set up in 1948 by the stupid British government gospel to you?
“…and give back the land post 1948 and then go to the UN for a treaty with the arabs”
AGAIN this wouldn’t make ANY difference to Hamas or Hezbollah. These two groups don’t want land, they want to exterminate the Jews just like Hilter did.
“…COMPLETE good faith”
And just when are the Arabs going to show the same “good faith” by calling for and implimenting the disbanding of Hamas and Hezbollah?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:52 pmIt was widely believed that Armitage is the official who first told columnist Robert Novak of Valerie Plame’s involvement in Joe Wilson’s trip to Niger. I find it interesting that his words are being treated with such reverance here.
Comment by exley
Never once heard that, but it would not speak much to his character if that was true…
July 27th, 2006 at 7:52 pmGerald Gibson,
well Lincoln certainly believed in putting reporters in jail for printing military secrets. he also believed in disbanning Habeas Corpus during times of war. he also believed that fighting a war to achieve a goal was better than appeasing the South, right? sounds a lot like President Bush’s actions, don’t you think? I would also urge you to look into how FDR and Harry Truman, both Democrats violated the Geneva Convention, stepped on the civil rights of Americans during a time of war, created a special department in the government to control what the media said while the coutnry was at war, etc, etc, etc…in fact they took many actions very similar or equal to what President Bush is doing today. yet, these are heros of the left…hmmm….
and so what the South is Red now. We are speaking of the Democrats who fought for Slavery and about Democrats who are now senior members of the USA Congress who fought hard to not get the Civil Rights Act passed.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:53 pm#96
Plotted and executed attacks. Give us a break!
July 27th, 2006 at 7:53 pmWhy? Give it to who? Why is the land situation set up in 1948 by the stupid British government gospel to you?
Comment by Tracy
Because the arabs were there for the past 1000 years before that and suffered through the crusades to maintain it… so I guess they earned it and time has a way of making things permenant…
AGAIN this wouldn’t make ANY difference to Hamas or Hezbollah. These two groups don’t want land, they want to exterminate the Jews just like Hilter did.
Comment by Tracy
Have any proof of this? Even Hamas says they would be happy if Israel moved to Germany…. I dont think they would go up to Germany to kill them… BUT since they have no problem bombing women and children lets say that it is true… well like I said IF Israel made themselves on the right side of morality they would not need to fight the arabs … America could justify bombing the arabs until there were none anymore…. or until unconditional surrender… I say give the arabs a chance to prove that they want peace… not keep giving them reason to think we do not want peace ourselves.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:57 pmsoftware engineer? you are funny Gerald Gibson, just because you play with video games it doesn’t make you a software engineer.
as i told you, your best is my worst. You lost your argument the day you were born. It is fun to see left wing nutjobs like you become unhinged and it is very sad to see their hatred for anyone that they disagree with and more importantly for the Jews.
i truly pity individuals like you. Your Al Franken, Michael Moore, Kerry, Clinton, Pelosi, Boxer, Murtha, etc talking points are not only old and uneducated, but patheticly stupid.
but by all means, continue to post and amuse me. it is fun to see Liberals spew so much venom and lies.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:57 pmFormer Washington Post editor Ben Bradlee claims that Richard Armitage, Colin Powell’s former deputy, was the original source of the Plame leak.
In the latest issue of VANITY FAIR: “Woodward was in a tricky position. People close to him believe that he had learned about Plame from his friend Richard Armitage, Colin Powell’s former deputy, who has been known to be critical of the administration and who has a blunt way of speaking. ‘That Armitage is the likely source is a fair assumption,’ former WASHINGTON POST editor Ben Bradlee said.”
July 27th, 2006 at 7:59 pm‘I had heard about an e-mail that was sent that had a lot of unprintable language in it.’”
“…COMPLETE good faithâ€
And just when are the Arabs going to show the same “good faith†by calling for and implimenting the disbanding of Hamas and Hezbollah?
Comment by Tracy
Hopefully right after Israel stops giving them a reason to have a Hamas or Hezbollah to resist against the zionist land grab? They have been fighting ever since that zionists terrorism started… so give them a chance… and if AFTER in GOOD FAITH we do the right thing (Israel does the right thing actually) and they STILL only want to keep killing people …. well then they are just like nazis… wipe em out… no tit for tat … wipe them out and get the peace in the ME going.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:59 pmMagazine: Bradlee Knows Woodward’s Source on Plame
By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 14, 2006; Page A02
Vanity Fair is reporting that former Washington Post executive editor Ben Bradlee says it is reasonable to assume former State Department official Richard L. Armitage is likely the source who revealed CIA operative Valerie Plame’s name to Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward.
In an article to be published in the magazine today, Bradlee is quoted as saying: “That Armitage is the likely source is a fair assumption.” Armitage was deputy secretary of state in President Bush’s first term.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:00 pm#
and you keep on using the term Zionist, your true racist colors show through and through. I truly pity people like you.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 6:51 pm
Before you critize people for using the term “Zionist,” perhaps you should know what it means? For your education:
Zionism is a political movement and ideology that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, where the Jewish nation originated over 3,200 years ago and where Jewish kingdoms and self-governing states existed up to the 2nd century. While Zionism is based in part upon religious tradition linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, the modern movement was originally secular, beginning largely as a response to rampant antisemitism in Europe and in many parts of the Muslim world during the 19th Century. After a number of advances and setbacks, and after the Holocaust had destroyed much of the existing Jewish society in Europe, the Zionist movement culminated in the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948.
Since the founding of the State of Israel, the term Zionism is generally considered to mean support for Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
July 27th, 2006 at 8:00 pmGerald Gibson, and you continue to spew your lies and half-truths.
In the Hamas chatter, as well as in the Hezzbollah chatter it clearly says that their whole purpose of existance is to destroy the “Zionist State” and to kill all the Jews.
and once again, moron, the Turks were in the Middle East long before today’s Arabs and the Israelis were in the Middle East millenias before anyone else. If time has a thing for making land permanent than Israel IS the rightful owner of that land since they spent centuries there before the Roman Diaspora and after this too.
and sorry kid, the Arabs were not saints when it came to the Crusades. You seem to completly and conviniently not talk about what the Moros did in Europe. Arabs are far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far from being the victims you love potraying them as.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:01 pmwell Lincoln certainly believed in putting reporters in jail for printing military secrets. he also believed in disbanning Habeas Corpus during times of war.
Those things were terrible, but in a civil war… well all morallity is out the window now isnt it? The civil war should have been avoided by going more slowly if possible … but then again civil war is pretty much evil brother vs brother cane/able though isnt it…
he also believed that fighting a war to achieve a goal was better than appeasing the South, right?
NO that is not what he wrote in his own hand writing… what he said was that the south were not obeying the law by constantly having lynchings and other violations of law. He didnt say anything about appeasement… he only said that the law must be followed and that the USA must be maintained… this I agree with … which is why I have lots of problems with NeoCon lawlessness.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:02 pmI think i recall someone saying upstream that Armitage did not serve in Vietnam. That is incorrect. this is who should have replaced Powell, not Rice. I probably disagree with Amitage on many things but I admire him and he is a realist… let’s not be like the right wing nuts and disparage anyone’s military service….
Armitage graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1967. Upon graduation, he joined the United States Navy, initially holding the rank of ensign. He served on a destroyer stationed in Vietnam during the Vietnam War and volunteered to serve as an advisor to the Vietnamese riverine (”brown water”) naval forces. In 1973, Armitage left active duty and joined the office of the U.S. Defense Attache in Saigon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage
July 27th, 2006 at 8:03 pmGerald Gibson, you are one perfect idiot.
Israel has shown good faith for the past 6 years. You must have been locked in your cage when Israel literally forced its own people from the Gaza settlements. For six years Israel has been giving up land to the Palestinians, and it hasn’t been enough for Hamas or Hezzbollah.
Hamas and Hezzbollah are NOT armies, they are terrorist organizations who exist for one purpose alone, to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. It is written in their chatter.
I would have thought that since you claim to be so well educated and so well read you would have known abou this. So much for having faith in a liberal whacko being educated.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:04 pmYou are dead right about FDR etc… the democrats have done many bad things as well.. you seem to mistake the LEFT for DEMOCRATS… too much RUSH? If the democrats get in and act the same way come back to this website … it will be bashing the democrats as well… if not then I wont be here…
and so what the South is Red now. We are speaking of the Democrats who fought for Slavery and about Democrats who are now senior members of the USA Congress who fought hard to not get the Civil Rights Act passed.
Comment by leftisnuts
The REPUBLICANS AND THE DEMOCRATS were fighting civil rights …. from the SOUTH… it was a mostly SOUTH thing…. and now the SOUTH is REPUBLICAN/NEOCON…. and dont tell me that the SOUTH isnt like that anymore… we up here in the north have family in the south still and they talk frankly at family reunions…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:05 pm#99
“It does NOT go back very far… there was no such dispute in 1800,1700,1600,1500,1400,1300,1200,1100,1000 AD …”
The Jews were dispersed all over the world in those years.
“IF the Israelis gave a 100% good faith effort and Hamas and Hezbollah kept attacking then you would have MOST people on your side saying kill them all.”
No you wouldn’t because most of the Palestinians support Hamas! They elected them. Who is this “most people”?
“but you are NOT on solid moral ground so people like myself cannot support you”
You are not on solid moral ground either….so do even.
“…yet Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are still sitting there untouched”
Are you ignorantly suggesting those two governments helped plot and carry out 9/11? Do you think it would be wise to invade Saudi Arabia and “roll” into Mecca? Are you insane? The hijackers might have been Saudis but that doesn’t mean the government backed their plot.
“…you guys dont have the guts to do a WWII and you dont have the morality to demand that Israel do the right thing … so WHAT are you good for?”
Do a WWII? What do you mean by that? If you knew ANYTHING about the ideology of Hamas and Hezbollah you would understand the it doesn’t matter if Isreal gave back ALL of the land it siezed in 1967.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:05 pmTHIS: “…editor Ben Bradlee claims that Richard Armitage…”
DOES NOT MEAN THIS: ‘That Armitage is the likely source is a fair assumption,’ former WASHINGTON POST editor Ben Bradlee said.†‘I had heard about an e-mail that was sent that had a lot of unprintable language in it.’â€
not even a “nice try”…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:07 pmsoftware engineer? you are funny Gerald Gibson, just because you play with video games it doesn’t make you a software engineer.
as i told you, your best is my worst. You lost your argument the day you were born. It is fun to see left wing nutjobs like you become unhinged and it is very sad to see their hatred for anyone that they disagree with and more importantly for the Jews.
i truly pity individuals like you. Your Al Franken, Michael Moore, Kerry, Clinton, Pelosi, Boxer, Murtha, etc talking points are not only old and uneducated, but patheticly stupid.
but by all means, continue to post and amuse me. it is fun to see Liberals spew so much venom and lies.
Comment by leftisnuts
I will assume you are done now… I am not going to get into an argument about me… if you want to find out what I do for a living there is always google…
Next NeoCon racist American hater want to debase themselves?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:08 pmLeftisnuts #68, Were the four UN observers killed by the US smart bomb fired by the Israelis after a third party warning hiding amoung the Lebanese civilians as well?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:08 pmAnd once this hits the mainstream media – if it ever does – how long do you think before Armitage is vilified and denigrated for speaking out?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:08 pmWhen the bastards can’t defend their position, they send out the sharks to eat up the naysayers.
If you underestimate the power of the sharks and the rightwingers in the media, look at how many now think there were WMDs found in Iraq?
I see we’ve got some knuckle draggin’ droolers here…. probably the same ass clowns that called Zinni a traitor and an anti Semite…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:08 pmThe Left and the Right are both nuts, there’s got to be some other direction.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:10 pmComment by exley
Looks like Armitage is an 11th hour “oops” person to me… you seem to show he doesnt have much in the way of righteousness to be trashing bush…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:10 pmGerald Gibson…
sorry guy, Lincoln preferred going to war to maintain the Union than to appease the South and let them secede. THIS is history, not your half-ass revisionist history.
and Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and he jailed reporters for reporting North military secrets. Two things President Bush hasn’t done. yet, they were right.
Now FDR, well, he violated the Geneva Convention. He also didn’t allow trials for POWs until the end of WWII, imagine that. FDR didn’t allow many German, Japanes, etc POWs to be seen by the Red Cross, to allow them to tell their families in their respective countries that they were alive, etc, etc. all this in violation of the Geneva Convention….imagine that. And the left holds FDR is such an honorable place.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:10 pmFDR ordered that all outgoing mail from the United STates to foreign countries be opened and read, holy cow, no way! FDR did this? Yeap. Still, Democrats love him and hold him in such high and immense regards. So tell me, why is it ok with Democrats and Liberals that FDR did this, but Bush has taken very similar actions also during a time of war and the left is going nuts about it?
#117
“Hopefully right after Israel stops giving them a reason to have a Hamas or Hezbollah to resist against the zionist land grab?”
Resist the Zionist land grab? Please, for the last time, Hamas and Hezbollah are NOT about resisting and getting Isreal to get off Arab land.
“…so give them a chance…”
Give them a chance? WTF are you talking about? Isreal have given back alot of the land it siezed in 1967 and Hamas has only INCREASED it’s attacks over the years.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:10 pmThe hijackers might have been Saudis but that doesn’t mean the government backed their plot.
Comment by Tracy — July 27, 2006 @ 8:05 pm
So, lets invade Iraq. Good thinking.
No you wouldn’t because most of the Palestinians support Hamas! They elected them. Who is this “most people�
July 27th, 2006 at 8:12 pmIt is very likely that you have not lost a member of your family crushed by a jewish tank, your house tore down by israel´s machines, or yourself being raped and tortured on a Israel´s prison. So, you probably wouldnt know that what comes to your head is an inexorable thirst of vengeance. Thats a Palestinian…manipulated by religous fanatism, I must add. Not very different for your Chief-in -Command (whatever that means)
and sorry kid, the Arabs were not saints when it came to the Crusades. You seem to completly and conviniently not talk about what the Moros did in Europe. Arabs are far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far from being the victims you love potraying them as.
Comment by leftisnuts
Once again the arabs do NOT have to be saints for the zionists to be devils… it doesnt work that way … at least Jesus style morality does not.
The Romans DESTROYED Israel… there was NO Israel for around 2000 years… yet the arabs were living in Palastine for around 1000 years uninterupted… they were subserviant to Turks and British… but they were NOT contested for the land…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:13 pmoh Gerald Gibson, poor typical, hypocritical liberal….so, you can insult others and put down others, but when it is done to you, you run away with your tail between your legs. freaking coward, no wonder you are such an apologist for the murdering, Nazi Like Hamas and Hezzbollah.
you are one disgusting human being, I am embarrassed for you.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:13 pmWhere’s One Jew when you need him?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:14 pmIsrael has shown good faith for the past 6 years.
Comment by leftisnuts
LIE.
Israel has been holding land that they did not get honestly since before 1948… it has gone on unabated ever since. If this was not true the west we destroy all the arabs states if need be to stop the fighting … but once again the state of Israel was born from zionist terrorism and so we do not have the moral grounding to do such a thing.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:15 pmleftisnuts
#38. So true. Thanks.
“the hatred from the left towards Israel is disgusting”
And, that has been consistent for all 60 years no matter what Government Israel had.
Can one good dem or one good prog explain: Why y’all are anti-Israel?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:17 pmGerald Gibson, you are a broken record of immense ignorance.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:18 pmSorry Gerald Gibson, Israel acquired much of its land through wars that the freaking Arab nations started!! In the times of old, that is as recently as yesterday, most countries when they acquired land through a war they didn’t start kept it.
all of a sudden the poor, cry baby arabs want the land back that Israel won after the ARabs started wars against Israel.
and sorry, you need to stop lying. First, you are not God, just becaus you say, “NO that is a lie…” it doesn’t make it a lie. In fact I have learned that when you say something is a lie, it is usually the truth. Second, you are still one pathetic human being. i am embarrassed for you.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:20 pmit doesn’t matter if Isreal gave back ALL of the land it siezed in 1967.
Comment by Tracy — July 27, 2006 @ 8:05 pm
True as that might be, it doesn’t justify the indiscrimate killing of civilians, and bombing of civilian infrastructure.
Also, the Israeli government cannot honestly claim to want to resolve outstanding issues with their neighbors if they don’t finish retreating from all the occupied territories.
Finally, this is a good example of why war and military occupation are not necessarily the best response. Even though Israel occupied Southern Lebanon for eight years between 1982 and 2000 in order to make Israel safe from terrorists attacks, not only did they fail at that stated goal, the occupation created resentment and fostered popular support for organisations such as Hezbollah, eventually getting some of its members elected to the Lebanese parliament.
That’s what Hermitage is talking about. He is no dove but a pragmatist. If Hezbollah survives this Israeli offensive -and chances are they will- their prestige will be increased. All Hezbollah needs to do to win, is not to lose.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:21 pm“Once again the arabs do NOT have to be saints for the zionists to be devils… it doesnt work that way … at least Jesus style morality does not.”
and who the hell said I am a Christian, or that I believe in Jesus, you stupid, stereotypical, moronic, racist liberal…..
you liberals love to put the right in a box…..don’t be such a typical ignorant liberal. All right wingers are NOT Christians or religious people. Get a clue and an education while you are it.
the funny thing is that you liberals cry and whine like pigs when you believe the right is being stereotypical, but you guys have no problem doing it to the right.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:23 pm#114
“Because the arabs were there for the past 1000 years before that and suffered through the crusades to maintain it… so I guess they earned it and time has a way of making things permenant…”
And the Jew were there before that. There is not such thing as statute of limitations here and NO time doesn’t make things permenant. If someone moved into your house after you were gone for say 10 years it wouldn’t make it THEIR house.
“Have any proof of this?”
I can’t believe you are this ignorant.
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
July 27th, 2006 at 8:23 pmResist the Zionist land grab? Please, for the last time, Hamas and Hezbollah are NOT about resisting and getting Isreal to get off Arab land.
Comment by Tracy
That is ALL it has been about for the last 60 years. Jews lived among arabs for over 2000 years … this constant killing and bragging about it crap wasnt like this until … zionists started terrorism in Palastine.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:26 pmGregor Samsa, occupied territories? these were won through wars that Israel didn’t start, plus Israel has given up much of this land now.
I will agree that there could be a backfire to this, but what is Israel to do, allow Hezzbollah to kidnapp itsoldiers and kill them?
What Israel needs to do is to completly destroy hezzbollah and unlike before, I do believe this is their ultimate plan.
honestly, what would you do?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:26 pmoh Gerald Gibson, poor typical, hypocritical liberal….so, you can insult others and put down others, but when it is done to you, you run away with your tail between your legs. freaking coward, no wonder you are such an apologist for the murdering, Nazi Like Hamas and Hezzbollah.
you are one disgusting human being, I am embarrassed for you.
Comment by leftisnuts
No I just said go use google … this isnt about me…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:28 pmGerald Gibson, oh those poor little, innocent arabs, they never did anything wrong until Israelis provoked them…hahahaha!!! stop with your terrorist propaganda. it is laughable at best and pathetic at worst.
Once again, you forget what the Moros did and their conquest of Spain for 400 years.
I am embarrassed for humanity that such evil people like you exist.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:28 pmArabs have been carrying out terrorist attacks long before the Israeli State was created by the United Nations resolution.
learn some history before you portray the Arabs as the poor little victims.
I can also find you some Nazi like quotes from Arab leaders from before 1948 and from 1948 right before they Arab nations tried to mass murder every Jew living in Israel.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:30 pmCan one good dem or one good prog explain: Why y’all are anti-Israel?
Comment by One Jew
You keep saying that we dont.
Who here has said Israel must be destroyed? NO ONE. Typical NeoCon liar.
Do you know NOTHING about Jesus of Nazareth? Didnt you grow up in America? If you do wrong you own up to it… Cain and Abel? The father and his two sons? ARE YOU JUST BLOOD THIRSTY MONSTERS?
If you must WAR you must do it from RIGHTEOUSNESS… NOT self-righteousness… know the difference?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:31 pmas i told you, your best is my worst. You lost your argument the day you were born. It is fun to see left wing nutjobs like you become unhinged and it is very sad to see their hatred for anyone that they disagree with and more importantly for the Jews.
i truly pity individuals like you. Your Al Franken, Michael Moore, Kerry, Clinton, Pelosi, Boxer, Murtha, etc talking points are not only old and uneducated, but patheticly stupid.
but by all means, continue to post and amuse me. it is fun to see Liberals spew so much venom and lies.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 7:57 pm
See leftisnuts is not unhinged, is very calm but, is PATHETICLYstupid.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:32 pmJuan C, if you want to take it as if I was talking to you, than it is you the one with the issue. I was talking to one specific person here on this blog, Gerald Gibson. You might want to learn to read and comprehend before you make a complete retard out of yourself.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:32 pmSorry Gerald Gibson, Israel acquired much of its land through wars that the freaking Arab nations started!! In the times of old, that is as recently as yesterday, most countries when they acquired land through a war they didn’t start kept it.
all of a sudden the poor, cry baby arabs want the land back that Israel won after the ARabs started wars against Israel.
and sorry, you need to stop lying. First, you are not God, just becaus you say, “NO that is a lie…†it doesn’t make it a lie. In fact I have learned that when you say something is a lie, it is usually the truth. Second, you are still one pathetic human being. i am embarrassed for you.
Comment by leftisnuts
Zionist terrorist bombings started it BEFORE 1948 … the arab wars start AFTER 1948 … can you do simple subtraction?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:33 pmJuan C, funny enough, I also haven’t said that I am better than anyone here. it says a lot that you feel that I said this. Might it be because you think so? Freudian slip on your part maybe??? :)
July 27th, 2006 at 8:33 pmArab bombings, terrorist attacks on people that are not Arabs have been carried out by Arabs, by Muslims long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long and I mean LOOOOOOOOOOOng before Israel was created.
why do you want to portray Arabs as such poor innocent victims?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:35 pmYou might want to learn to read and comprehend before you make a complete retard out of yourself.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 8:32 pm
You should take your own advice. How’s that big successful company of yours doing while you spen countless hours making a jack ass out of your self?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:35 pmand who the hell said I am a Christian, or that I believe in Jesus, you stupid, stereotypical, moronic, racist liberal…..
Comment by leftisnuts
I said I do… you have a problem with Jesus?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:35 pmGregor Samsa, occupied territories? these were won through wars that Israel didn’t start, plus Israel has given up much of this land now.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 8:26 pm
It doesn’t matter who started it -I don’t mean to be condescending, but that talk is more appropriate of a child.
Fact is the UN already has passed resolutions calling for Israel’s retreat from the Golan Heights, the West Bank, (still occupied) and for a halt to Israel’s policy of settling occupied land (still ongoing).
I will agree that there could be a backfire to this, but what is Israel to do, allow Hezzbollah to kidnapp itsoldiers and kill them?
Hezbollah did not kidnap Israeli soldiers to kill them. Stupid as it might sound, it is a plan gone awry: They planned to exchange them for Hezbollah prisoners in Israel’s hands as they had done in the past. They are now surprised at the massive response from Israel.
What are they to do? What they’ve done in the past: Limited military response followed by negotiations. The massive response is wholly unwarranted, and disproportionate. It was also prepared way ahead of time, the kidnapping provided an easy excuse.
What Israel needs to do is to completly destroy hezzbollah and unlike before, I do believe this is their ultimate plan.
It might be the plan. It is also feasible -if you are ready to accept Israel implementing genocide-like tactics. It’s no hyperbole: Hezbollah enjoys support of the locals; the only way to “uproot” them is to take away that support by wiping out the population.
honestly, what would you do?
As I said, limited response and negotiations.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:38 pmJoeFriday, my little Bushhatebot….how are you doing tonight? don’t you have some original insults? I mean you ridiculous, uneducated Liberals all sound the same no matter the blog that one is in. don’t cry now, please don’t cry, originality is NOT one of the strongest traits of a Liberal…..
but do post and amuse me, you are good at obeying the marchign orders of the left, so i am sure you will have no problem following my orders. post little one, post and amuse me.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:39 pm“Because the arabs were there for the past 1000 years before that and suffered through the crusades to maintain it… so I guess they earned it and time has a way of making things permenant…â€
And the Jew were there before that. There is not such thing as statute of limitations here and NO time doesn’t make things permenant. If someone moved into your house after you were gone for say 10 years it wouldn’t make it THEIR house.
“Have any proof of this?â€
I can’t believe you are this ignorant.
http://www.fas.org/ irp/ world/ para/ docs/ 880818a.htm
Comment by Tracy
If I didnt live in a house for 2000 years and I my great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandson came back and someone else lived there … well he should find a different place to live because it would be MURDER to kill that person and ETHNIC CLEANSING to force them to move to a different place ….
I have read what Hamas thinks of Israel… they say they want Israel destroyed … not all jews killed … the jews could move somewhere else and that would be fine by Hamas… you are confusing Hamas with Nazis.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:39 pmArabs have been carrying out terrorist attacks long before the Israeli State was created by the United Nations resolution.
learn some history before you portray the Arabs as the poor little victims.
I can also find you some Nazi like quotes from Arab leaders from before 1948 and from 1948 right before they Arab nations tried to mass murder every Jew living in Israel.
Comment by leftisnuts
I can find more anti arab stuff than you can… that is completely besides the point.. the Israelis say they are GOOD PEOPLE … and they are FRIENDS of Americans… well no friends of mine act that way and no GOOD PEOPLE do either.
Here is something about the arabs they need to answer for…
1) They deny the holocaust ever happened…
2) Some of them actually helped the Nazis kill jews in Russia…
YOU are one sided… I am NOT talking about my team vs your team … I am talking about JUSTICE from a people that call themselves JUST…. I am EMBARRESSED that my country supports or supported… 1) Zionist racists, 2) Dictators, 3) Kings, 4) Aparteid, 5) Slavery, 6) Eugenics http://www.motherjones.com/arts/books/2003/09/ma_513_01.html?welcome=true
July 27th, 2006 at 8:45 pmWow. The place is nice! A lot of interesting thoughts!
….
Let’s see…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:45 pmbut do post and amuse me, you are good at obeying the marchign orders of the left, so i am sure you will have no problem following my orders. post little one, post and amuse me.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 8:39 pm
You really are hoot, demented but fun to watch implode. Oh, and just what were those “marchign” orders ? Sounds like some thing at a high school football game.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:46 pmGregor, Samsa
It doesn’t matter who started it -I don’t mean to be condescending, but that talk is more appropriate of a child.
Fact is the UN already has passed resolutions calling for Israel’s retreat from the Golan Heights, the West Bank, (still occupied) and for a halt to Israel’s policy of settling occupied land (still ongoing).
1) Oh please do not bring UN resolutions into this. The UN also passed a resolution, 1559, which calls for the disarmament of Hezzbollha and for Lebanon to help with this. You can’t cherry pick which resolutions you want enforced and which one’s you don’t want enforced. If you truly and honestly believe in the UN (which I don’t, but you seem to) than call for all the resolutiosn to be enforced, not just the one’s aimed against Israel.
Hezbollah did not kidnap Israeli soldiers to kill them. Stupid as it might sound, it is a plan gone awry: They planned to exchange them for Hezbollah prisoners in Israel’s hands as they had done in the past. They are now surprised at the massive response from Israel.
And I am glad they are surprised at the massive response from Israel. Hezzbollah is Not the victim here. They went in to kidnapp Israeli soldiers and I doubt it very much taht they weren’t prepared to kill anyone that got on their way, since they did.
What are they to do? What they’ve done in the past: Limited military response followed by negotiations. The massive response is wholly unwarranted, and disproportionate. It was also prepared way ahead of time, the kidnapping provided an easy excuse.
Limited military response? for what, so that Hezzbollah can keep on kidnapping israli soldiers and forcing israel to release terrorist from their prisons? c’mon now. As for being prepared ahead of time, i don’t know about that. I do know that the Israeli military was ready to attack Hezzbollah if they did anything stupid, and they did. Hezzbollah is getting what they deserve.
It might be the plan. It is also feasible -if you are ready to accept Israel implementing genocide-like tactics. It’s no hyperbole: Hezbollah enjoys support of the locals; the only way to “uproot†them is to take away that support by wiping out the population.
Genocide tactics? please, don’t be so malodramatic. It can be done, you can break the will of groups like Hezzbollah, it was done in Japan by the United States during WWII. israel can’t continue to allow terrorist groups that want its complete and utter destruction to live around its borders. They must be destroyed at all cost.
As I said, limited response and negotiations.
This limited responses and negotiations haven’t worked in the past, why do you think they would work now? These stop the big wars for a few years, but the small battles continue and the terrorist attacks continue. it is obvious that limited response and negotiations don’t work.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:47 pmJoefriday, my little Bushhatebot, you are a good little lap dog…keep on obey me little one…..post again and amuse me….
i told you you were good at obeying orders. post again and amuse me.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:48 pmArab bombings, terrorist attacks on people that are not Arabs have been carried out by Arabs, by Muslims long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long and I mean LOOOOOOOOOOOng before Israel was created.
why do you want to portray Arabs as such poor innocent victims?
Comment by leftisnuts
Because you are talking about CRIMES .,.. and I am talking about ETHNIC CLEANSING and TERRORISM.
Because I have read the Koran and it says to NOT kill Jews unless they are killing Muslims…
ARABS nor AMERICANS are innocent poor victims…. that shit does not fly in a court of law because it is BS… DID ZIONISTS COMMIT TERRORISM OR NOT? I have read in British news papers that they DID.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:48 pmI was talking to one specific person here on this blog, Gerald Gibson. You might want to learn to read and comprehend before you make a complete retard out of yourself.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 8:32 pm
I know. Go to a chat room if you dont want others to see you writing to a specific person.
I also haven’t said that I am better than anyone here
and remember, your best is my worst, I am just getting warmed up. You lost your argument the day you were born.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 7:37 pm
Too bad there is a record. Nice way of winning debates. You are a liar, puppet.
Freudian slip on your part maybe??? :)
Oh, you got me there…Gee. Also original, cause just Freud talks about sexuality involved in human behavior, yeah, right. Dope.
I can also find you some Nazi like quotes from Arab leaders from before 1948 and from 1948 right before they Arab nations tried to mass murder every Jew living in Israel.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 8:30 pm
Can you also find what US and Great Britain thought about Nazis before 1933. It would be interesting, cause you know, there was a time when US liked Nazis (to stop raising soviet socialism), there was a time when Saddam was a friend, there was a time when Taliban was a friend (I bet you saw Rambo III), there was a time when Bin Laden was a friend (supported by CIA), there was a time when Noriega was a friend, mmmm…the whole history of US is a big freaking contradiction. Shut up, you are an empty vessel.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:51 pm#152 Gerald Gibson
Wow, strong fee-e-e-eelings, most emotional!!! Strong statements too.
Here is one hollow:
“Who here has said Israel must be destroyed? NO ONE. Typical NeoCon liar.â€
“Do you know NOTHING about Jesus of Nazareth? Didnt you grow up in America?â€
Which one is your guess?
“If you must WAR you must do it from RIGHTEOUSNESS… NOT self-righteousness… know the difference?â€
No, please, explain.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:52 pmlet me get this straight……..we have pumped what, 400 billion into pro-iranian Iraq whose elected leader has possible ties to hezbolla and then we pump what,300 billion a year into Israel
no madness here is there
July 27th, 2006 at 8:53 pmThank you, so, SO much, Juan C.
I couldn’t begin to read through all this crap.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:53 pmyou have read teh koran? I knew it, i knew i was dealing with a muslim, more likely a terrorist. this is why you are such an apologist for the the Arabs.
sorry kid, there is no moral equivalency here.
yes, israeli groups have carried out terrorist attacks, but guess what, how many of them said they carried out for a god, like Muslims do?
in fact, when was the last time that Israel carried out a major terrorist attack? you have to go all the way back to the 1940s.
and genocide, are you this stupid? when has Israel carried out genocide. The genocide has been done on the Jews by the Germans, Russians, and groups like Hezzbollah and Hamas are desperate to immitate the Nazis and STalin on this.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:54 pmNo, please, explain.
Comment by One Jew
Righteousness….
I was attacked and now I attack back to stop further attacks.
Selfrighteousness….
I covet what the arabs have and I want it… so I will kill the arabs to get it.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:55 pm#153 Joefriday
“See leftisnuts is … “
Thx, coming from you sounds like a compliment.
leftisnuts would be concerned, I’d guess, if you said differently.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:56 pmwalter66,
July 27th, 2006 at 8:57 pmI’ve always believed that the US gov supports even corrupt ‘democratic’ regimes in the mid-east to create satellites, or remote targets for hatred aimed towards us. Even our dear, dumb leader wishes to “fight em over there, so we won’t have to here”.
Juan C, pequenito pendejo, hijo de mierda, tell me what country’s history is not full of contradictions. your hate for the USA is pathetic and your lack of education is embarrassing.
and I thought you liberals didn’t believe in black and white, that the world was gray, so why are you trying to portray American history to be so simple ans being for this and then against it. man are you a poor simpleton.
There is no country in the world that hasn’t allied hismelf with someone and then they considered that same ally and enemy.
get a clue and an education too. You would sound smarter if you actually knew de lo que estas hablando, mi chiquitito.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:57 pmGerald Gibson
Your blog name contradicts your content.
Why?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:58 pmyou have read teh koran? I knew it, i knew i was dealing with a muslim, more likely a terrorist. this is why you are such an apologist for the the Arabs.
Comment by leftisnuts
You are BRAGGING about being dumb? Wow… that is embarressing.
I am from Kokomo, IN. I grew up right wing christian (talking in tongues and all that), I still like Reagan …
I just BELIEVED the words of Jesus… I didnt decide to manipulate them for self gain.
READING the Koran is something I decided to do AFTER the Iraq war began. I wanted to learn about the people we were murdering… I hoped I could feel less guilty about it by finding out that they really were jew hating crazies… what I found out is that they like Jesus (he is a prophet in the Koran) and that their laws demand that Jews not be harmed except in self defense….
IGNORANCE is not a good moral base to start from …
July 27th, 2006 at 8:59 pmJuan C, I can find you countless quotes from grandpa Kennedy and other left wing nuts from the 1930s who actually supported nazi germany and loved hitler.
as I said, you would actually sound smart if you knew what you were talking about.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:00 pmGerald Gibson
“said I do… you have a problem with Jesus?”
The true question is: do you?
You must answer honestly for once!
July 27th, 2006 at 9:02 pmYour blog name contradicts your content.
Why?
Comment by One Jew
Because ultimately I believe that reality is like ZEN says it is…
BUT I also know that while we are here on earth we should live like JESUS said to…
Murdered Arabs… Murdered Jews…. Murdered Americans… in the end NONE of it matters… but while I am here I side with Jesus and Ghandi.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:03 pmIf you truly and honestly believe in the UN (which I don’t, but you seem to) than call for all the resolutiosn to be enforced, not just the one’s aimed against Israel.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 8:47 pm
I don’t even know where this one is coming from. Of course I think Hezbollah should disarm and recognise Israel’s right to exist.
Hezzbollah is getting what they deserve.
Hezbollah is not the main contributor to the death toll. The civilian population is.
(…)it was done in Japan by the United States during WWII.
I wasn’t being melodramatic. Hezbollah is a militia, not a regular army, and they use guerrilla tactics against Israel.
Compaing guerrilla warfare with a conflagration like WWII doesn’t apply. Vietman is a more apt comparison. Or Algeria. Or Chechnya.
it is obvious that limited response and negotiations don’t work.
And it is also obvious that massive war and occupation doesn’t either. After all, Hezbollah is still alive and well.
A limited response at least causes less damage, and costs less.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:03 pmI think the problem with all the posts here mirrors perfectly the whole Middle East dilemma – everyone is correct and everyone is wrong. All the factions in the Middle East have a very long history of genocidal intent and action. They all treat “holy land” as more sacred than any person living there currently or in the past, making land their god. They all think they are there by divine right. All factions are deeply and justifiably suspicious of other factions. My conclusion is that the rest of the world can do nothing to help until all these factions want help and accept help in finding even an end to hostilities, to say nothing of actual peace. The only change the rest of the world, including the U.S., can make is to stop being enablers of the addiction to violence by not continuing to sell arms directly or indirectly to any of the parties or their allies who might redirect those sales.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:03 pmThe poor, fractured, crumbling right.
Things must be going well for the left, based on the recent increase in troll activity here.
And all we have to do, really, is sit back and watch Georgy Boy turn the screw…
Keep em comin’, Shrubby, keep – them – COMING.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:03 pmThat is great you have read the Koran, but these terrorist like many other terrorist have used the Koran to excuse their terrorist actions.
you seem to forget that the Taliban, Al Qaeda, hamas, hezzbollah, etc, etc use the Koran and Allah to excuse their terrorist actions. They have twisted the meaning of the Koran to justify their mass murdering ways.
but I am glad you read the Koran and now you feel all guilty for the Arabs instead of for Americans and the Jews. Why don’t you move to Iran, I am sure they will allow you to speak against their government like tyou speak against W. Or why don’t you become a member of Hamas, i am sure they will allow you to disagree with their leader…….
July 27th, 2006 at 9:04 pmyes, israeli groups have carried out terrorist attacks, but guess what, how many of them said they carried out for a god, like Muslims do?
in fact, when was the last time that Israel carried out a major terrorist attack? you have to go all the way back to the 1940s.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 8:54 pm
Ha ha ha !!! Dumbest post ever!
The genocide has been done on the Jews by the Germans, Russians, and groups like Hezzbollah and Hamas Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 8:54 pm
No doubt about it…also you missed: US genocides on Nicaragua, Panama, Vietnam, East Timor, Grenade, Philipines, Guatemala, supported genocides in Argentina and Chile (just take a trip to Fort Benning), Somalia, Bosnia…I can go on with almost 200 hundred…
July 27th, 2006 at 9:05 pmWhile I am a strong supporter of the State of Israel and dearly love the Jewish people and believe them to be the chosen people of God, I continue to stand on the foundational biblical principle that all people — Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, Jews, Muslims, etc. — must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ in order to enter heaven. -Jerry Falwell
Yeh Right, The Jews will side with the extremist fundies. wrong.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:06 pmleftnut,
Use your own logic, if you know what that is:
they have twisted the meaning of the Koran to justify their mass murdering ways.
Substitute ‘Bible’ or ‘Koran’ into your blind-sided argument.
Mmm, snug fit, huh?
July 27th, 2006 at 9:06 pmGregor,
“A limited response at least causes less damage, and costs less.”
that is where you are wrong. In the short run it does cost less and causes less damage, but in the long run, it costs more and it cause more damage.
not being condescending or putting you down, but what you want is a temporary band aid to this solution. We need a permanent solution. Limited response is very, very temporary.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:07 pmJews are the “chosen people” only if you believe the Old/New Testament.
Not everyone does.
I’m agnostic.
You’re all full of shit -stupid religious dolts.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:09 pm#160 Gregor Samsa
“Hezbollah did not kidnap Israeli soldiers to kill them. Stupid as it might sound, it is a plan gone awry: They planned to exchange them for Hezbollah prisoners in Israel’s hands as they had done in the past. They are now surprised at the massive response from Israel.â€
Truly, you are not as naïve as you sound. Do not rush with your judgment: I mean a different argument then your have thought about. Ask, I’ll tell you.
“Hezbollah enjoys support of the locals; the only way to “uproot†them is to take away that support by wiping out the population.â€
Are you an expert in military operations against terrorism?
“As I said, limited response and negotiations.â€
Sorry, I’m not familiar with this concept. Have that been ever tried anywhere before (Besides the dream-homes)?
July 27th, 2006 at 9:09 pmJerry Falwell have been pro-Israel (and I have some magic beans to sell)
throughout their careers, … but only because two-thirds of the Jews of Israel will inevitably die in a future holocaust …
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/north7.html
==
Falwell’s auto-biography about his crazy, cruel father;
There were times that Dad’s pranks bordered on cruelty. One of his oil-company workers, a one-legged man he nicknamed ‘Crip’ Smith, complained about everything. Dad and Crip’s co-workers got tired of the old man’s bellyaching and decided to take revenge. One morning Crip called in sick and Dad volunteered to send by lunch to his grateful but suspicious employee. Dad and his chums caught Crip’s old black tomcat, killed it, skinned it, and cooked it in the kitchen of one of Dad’s little restaurants. They called it squirrel meat and delivered it to Crip on a linen-covered tray. When Crip returned to work the next morning, Dad and his co-conspirators asked him how he liked his meal. They knew he would complain even about a free home-cooked lunch, and when Crip called it “the toughest squirrel meat” he had ever eaten, they were glad to tell him why.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:11 pmthat is where you are wrong. In the short run it does cost less and causes less damage, but in the long run, it costs more and it cause more damage.
not being condescending or putting you down, but what you want is a temporary band aid to this solution. We need a permanent solution. Limited response is very, very temporary.
Comment by leftisnuts
I totally agree with you here…
We need to MAKE Israel give up all the land they took post 1948 AND stop the settlements… give up half of Jerusalem… and open their nukes to the UN inspectors…
THEN either the arabs follow the lead or they all get bombed WWII style… lets get this BS over with once and for all.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:12 pmGerald Gibson
“I have read in British news papers that they DID.”
Was that the same British news papers that Hazy-Bullah prints in London?
July 27th, 2006 at 9:12 pmJuan C, pure stupid, imbecile…..keep on spewing age old left wing propaganda started many times by Communist Soviet Union. Good to see that you are a loyal follwor of the USSR.
Why don’t we speak about real genocides, not the make believe ones that you are bring up, my poor simpleton. why don’t you speak fo the genocides carried out by the government of cambodia, the old ussr, vietnam, china, central america, shit let us talk about the genocide carried about by the aztecs, by the germans, by latinos.
you are a typical, uneducated latino, latinos like you give the rest of us latinos a bad name. You are an embarrassment to your race.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:12 pmJuan C, pequenito pendejo, hijo de mierda, tell me what country’s history is not full of contradictions. your hate for the USA is pathetic and your lack of education is embarrassing.
Good. You just disapproved yourself. BTW, that you think I am a mexican, just speaks out your lack of international knowledge. A map will do the trick if you just take the time. Now, hijo de mierda is really a bad attempt of an insult…not even close. In my country, pendejo means little child so you just posted a pleonasm. Well done. I can speak your language while you cant even insult me with my native tongue. Loser.
There is no country in the world that hasn’t allied hismelf with someone and then they considered that same ally and enemy.
I have to agree. See? it didnt hurt. Thats the difference.
I can find you countless quotes from grandpa Kennedy and other left wing nuts from the 1930s who actually supported nazi germany and loved hitler.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:13 pmThen, they were not from the left. I dont care about Kennedy or his mob ties back then. So, you agree, your country supported Nazis. Do you agree with that?
We need a permanent solution. Limited response is very, very temporary.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 9:07 pm
I agree that what is needed is a permanent solution. But it cannot -or should not- be reached by bombing Lebanon back to the Stone Age.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:14 pmGerald Gibson, israel can open up their nuclear weapons for UN inspections the day that France, Germany, Britain, India, Pakistan, China, etc do it too, ok?
and once again, israel has been giving up the land you speak of for the past 6 years and look where it got them. Hamas and Hezzbollah trying to still mass murder them.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:15 pm“I have read in British news papers that they DID.â€
Was that the same British news papers that Hazy-Bullah prints in London?
Comment by One Jew
No it was from the 1930s
July 27th, 2006 at 9:15 pmwalter66
“we pump what,300 billion a year into Israel”
No. Look. I’ll explain this to you:
There are 4 numbers – 1, 2, “lots-of” and “whole-bunch”
The number you’ve mentioned does not exist. OK?
July 27th, 2006 at 9:16 pmkeep on spewing age old left wing propaganda started many times by Communist Soviet Union. Good to see that you are a loyal follwor of the USSR. Comment by leftisnuts
Sorry to piss on your parade and all the BS they have told you. Communism has not existed in this planet. I will say that again: Communism has not existed in this planet. I dont give a shit about totalitarism whether is from a capitalist state or a communist state. SShhhh, puppy.
And your insults are just proof of how wrecked you are.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:17 pmGregor Samsa, well if Lebanon is unwilling to get rid of hezzbollah and hezzbollah is imbeded itself into the civilial population what is Israel to do?
honestly, the solution is to take Syria and Iran to stop backing Hezzbollah and to stop calling for the destruction of Israel.
i will 100% agree that the peaceful citizens of Lebanon as well as of Israel are stuck in the middle. Sadly and horrificly enough, war is nasty, ugly, dirty, sad, etc, etc. but a country must be allowed to defend itself against monsters like Hezzbollah and Hamas. you can’t tie Israel’s hands behind its back.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:17 pmGerald Gibson, israel can open up their nuclear weapons for UN inspections the day that France, Germany, Britain, India, Pakistan, China, etc do it too, ok?
and once again, israel has been giving up the land you speak of for the past 6 years and look where it got them. Hamas and Hezzbollah trying to still mass murder them.
Comment by leftisnuts
I agree… just like Richard Lugar has been trying to do for years…
ONCE AGAIN …. If Israel took Texas and Florida and “gave back” Texas would you so “GEE THANKS FRIEND!” No…. no one would … they either give it back or they dont… little bits here and there is just a trick while they expand their settlements and continue rubbing it in the face of the arabs.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:18 pmJuan C…wait, wait, and how about your insults, what do they prove? that you are poor little lost perrito que no sabe de lo que esta hablando.
You might want to tell Stalin, Mao Tsun, Lenin, in fact all of the Easter European nations, you know Poland, Lativa, Ukraine, Russia that the evil that they experienced was not communism. I mean since they lived it and you didn’t I am sure you know more.
keep on trying kid…..i laugh at your utter and complete stupidity and lack of education.
repeat as much as you want, but communism has been around for a long time.
no go back to your room, your mommy is about get home and she is going to be very angry at you for being on the internet and speaking to strangers.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:20 pm“I have read in British news papers that they DID.â€
Was that the same British news papers that Hazy-Bullah prints in London?
Comment by One Jew — July 27, 2006 @ 9:12 pm
C’mon, One Jew, don’t tell me you think the Stern gang, the Irgun, and the Hagannah were peaceful associations.
They invaded Arab villages to rape and kill. They also conducted operations to assassinate British soldiers.
I wish I could post links but the spam filter eats all my posts if I do.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:21 pmAnd as an antiwar, Agnostic, I stand a better chance of any “salvation” than you and your waring tribes.
Continue the hate, continue to kill.
I will rise above, by my peaceful inaction, while you rot in eternal damnation for your murderous ways.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:22 pmGregor,
July 27th, 2006 at 9:23 pmDon’t use the function, just post the actual url.
I meant link function…
July 27th, 2006 at 9:24 pmno go back to your room, your mommy is about get home and she is going to be very angry at you for being on the internet and speaking to strangers.
Comment by leftisnuts
Dont you understand that Juan was saying that just because Russia called themselves communists doesnt make it so? Russia was a totalitarian mafia style governement. Communism is not about kiling people, Communism is about equal distribution of wealth and justice… which is a GOOD thing… except that communism wants ABSOLUTE equal distribution even if it is articifial… which is NOT evil … just not very efficient… capitalism is MORE efficient because it rewards hard work… but like TOO MUCH communism TOO MUCH capitalism is EVIL … Camel through the eye of a needle and all…
July 27th, 2006 at 9:25 pm#174 “Gerald Gibson”
EVERYBODY, HUSH!!! The moment of true truth! “Gerald Gibson†will make definitions!!!!!
“Righteousness….
I was attacked and now I attack back to stop further attacks.
Selfrighteousness….
I covet what the arabs have and I want it… so I will kill the arabs to get it.”
Notice, how “I” is being used and how suddenly Arabs get into a definition?
Don’t you “Gerald Gibson” think that ruling Arabs, those Arabs who control Arabic public opinion, education and their self-centered minded mentality (that you have so brilliantly demonstrated) already cost the World far too much? Why do you always want Worlds’ attention? Because of your self-selfishness?
July 27th, 2006 at 9:25 pmGregor Sarnsa, the difference is that these groups are old, freaking old and haven’t done much of anything in the past few decades and these groups didn’t kill in the name of a god like Muslims do.
As I had to teach little JuanitoC, no country in the world is free from sin when it comes to its history. No country is full of contradictions, but right now, today, Israel is not the agressor, in fact many of the terrorist groups that came out of Israel were in direct response to Arab terrorist groups. And as for the British taht Gerald Gibson loves to bring up didn’t exactly treat the Jews in what today is Israel too good.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:27 pmleftisnuts
“Juan C, I can find you countless quotes from grandpa Kennedy and other left wing nuts from the 1930s who actually supported nazi germany and loved hitler.
as I said, you would actually sound smart if you knew what you were talking about.”
That’s good. Real-good. thx.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:28 pmno go back to your room, your mommy is about get home and she is going to be very angry at you for being on the internet and speaking to strangers.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 9:20 pm
See, this is what you get when you do not ignore a lunatic! He owns this very big successfull company and has whipped all his employees into shape, therefore he can spend hour apon hour on this prog blog. Another fraud that talks tough and is most likley a complete loser.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:29 pmyes sure, communism has been tried by everyone and their mother, but no one has achieved the right combination of mass murdering and distribution of wealth, right?
please….just remember this, that Mao Tsung, Stalin, killed over 100 million people while they ruled under what they called communism. That is the leftist ideology has led to more mass murders in history than any other ideology in human history.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:30 pmThere is only one way to heaven.
By removing your hate and materialism.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:31 pmComment by One Jew
Dont know…. I am from Indiana, USA … I think that the arabs would get more “world attention” if they pulled a Ghandi on the Israelis…. could you imagine? The arabs refuse to kill anymore and march peacefully to tel aviv while the settlers mercilessly beat and slaughter them? America could NOT stand by the Israelis in the face of arab self control and zionist murder…
July 27th, 2006 at 9:32 pmplease….just remember this, that Mao Tsung, Stalin, killed over 100 million people while they ruled under what they called communism. That is the leftist ideology has led to more mass murders in history than any other ideology in human history.
Comment by leftisnuts
This guy here will never pass.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:33 pmGerald you said something i 100% agree with. Pure capitalsim is bad, but pure communism is evil and even a little communism is evil.
the thing is that current socialist nations, which is a water down form of communism, are not doing too well economicly. German and France being prime examples of this. German’s are leaving Germany at a rate that has only been seen during times of great hardship in Germany. France, well sorry the french economy is a pathetic joke.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:34 pm“Gerald Gibson”
“…but while I am here I side with Jesus and Ghandi”
Nice selection of options. Poor following.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:35 pmGerald Gibson, you hate for the Jews is so obvious. Now you are sure that the Israelis would kill Arabs if they peacefully marched to Tel-Aviv, eh? you know this, you are sure of this?
wow, you are one Jew hating individual. incredible. No wonder the left han’st won a significant political race in so many years and don’t kid yourself, you guys will not control Congress in November.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:36 pmplease….just remember this, that Mao Tsung, Stalin, killed over 100 million people while they ruled under what they called communism. That is the leftist ideology has led to more mass murders in history than any other ideology in human history.
Comment by leftisnuts
That was Juans point.. Mao and Stalin are MONSTERs not people looking to equally devide ANYTHING…. and even if they were communism is still not as good a way to go as capitalism…
Remember we are the “bleeding heart” liberals…. we REMEMBER all those murderous reins… which is why we FIGHT against all those that act like they even MIGHT become like them.
And while you go on about MAO… you should check out modern China… I saw a video the other day of the chinese police or military or something get this girl in her 20s or teens or something with piggy tails… took her out into the country side… put a gun to the back of her head… and blew her head and face off… that is NOT communism … that is MURDER … I guess she was a “disadent” or something…
July 27th, 2006 at 9:37 pm#212 “Gerald Gibsonâ€
“…but while I am here I side with Jesus and Ghandiâ€
Nice selection of options. Poor following.
But honestly – you lied yet again.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:37 pmGen. Curtis LeMay, who planned massive fire bombings in Japan including a raid over Toyko that killed 100,000 civilians
July 27th, 2006 at 9:37 pmNice selection of options. Poor following.
Comment by One Jew
So I should join with the chest thumping murderous selfrighteous crowd and then I would be following Ghandi and Jesus?
I dont think so… keep your forked tongue in your mouth… I am not tempted.. my ego has been cleared by zen… I will never feel the need to join your ranks ever again.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:39 pmOver 3½ years of direct U.S. involvement in World War II, approximately 400,000 American lives had been lost, roughly half of them incurred in the war against Japan. In the months prior to the bombings, the Battle of Okinawa resulted in an estimated 50,000–150,000 civilian deaths, 100,000–125,000 Japanese or Okinawan military or conscript deaths and over 72,000 American casualties. An invasion of Japan was expected to result in casualties many times greater than in Okinawa.
Im sick of war and the haters that cause them.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:40 pmGerald Gibson, no guy, that IS communism……
Tau, sorry kid, the world was at war, Japan was more than willing to kill millions of Americans. A war that Japan started, but could not finish and while you are crying over an American General ordering the complete destruction of Japan (I mean Japan jsut want to eradicate America, wow, no big deal I guess) you might want to look into the monstrocities that the Japanese carried out on American POWs, on Chinese POWs, etc, etc.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:40 pmGerald Gibson, you hate for the Jews is so obvious. Now you are sure that the Israelis would kill Arabs if they peacefully marched to Tel-Aviv, eh? you know this, you are sure of this?
wow, you are one Jew hating individual. incredible. No wonder the left han’st won a significant political race in so many years and don’t kid yourself, you guys will not control Congress in November.
Comment by leftisnuts
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel/hebron6-03.htm
The seeds of the Hebron massacre were quietly planted in January 1991 when the last members of a notorious Jewish terror underground were set free from Ma’asiyahu Prison near Tel Aviv. Three men, each of whom served less than seven years of life sentences, were cheered as heroes by a large, celebratory crowd of armed Jewish settlers. They were the last detained members of the Terror Against Terror (TNT in Hebrew) settler underground that engulfed the West Bank in innocent blood from 1978 to 1984.
None showed remorse for murdering innocent civilians. Instead they vowed to continue their holy struggle against “Arab terror” in the West Bank as they returned home to the settlement of Kiryat Arba. They were comrades of Dr. Baruch Goldstein, who on Feb. 25 shot to death 29 Palestinian men and boys as they prayed at the Ibrahimi mosque in Hebron.
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0694/9406008.htm
July 27th, 2006 at 9:41 pmthat you are poor little lost perrito que no sabe de lo que esta hablando.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 9:20 pm
If you want to show off, fine. Just do that right. What you are writing is not spanish. We use accents…so, please, use them.
You might want to tell Stalin, Mao Tsun, Lenin, in fact all of the Easter European nations, you know Poland, Lativa, Ukraine, Russia that the evil that they experienced was not communism. I mean since they lived it and you didn’t I am sure you know more.
There is a lot to comment on this but I will be brief.
Stalin: Georgian train-assaultant and mass-murderer. Didnt know shit about communism.
Mao: mass-murderer. Changed semi-feudal China and gave the opportunity to thousands of farmers and peasants to study.
Lenin: High-middle class intellectual that had the clearest vision of a better world FOR OPPRESED PEOPLE UNDER THE ZAR. See? That part of world population that cant afford a living. Try to change a fedual state to a communist state. Failed, of course. Capitalism had to show its unability to be a sustainable economical system.
Evil…When you start talking like an adult and stop using these childish words to describe real-life events then we could discuss. Until then you just live in the world that Ronald McDonald has built for you.
You can call me what you want. I prefer to be called communist than a Bush follower, that would be really disappointing.
no go back to your room, your mommy is about get home and she is going to be very angry at you for being on the internet and speaking to strangers.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:41 pmComment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 9:20 pm
whatever…yawn.
As former Prime Minister Barak once admitted, had he been born a Palastinian, he would have joined a terrorist organization
July 27th, 2006 at 9:42 pmDieNowForPeace
“I’m agnostic.
You’re all full of shit -stupid religious dolts.”
You know, that is not very peaceful statement. You have to exercise restraint and a limited, proportional response. Isn’t that what you preach?
July 27th, 2006 at 9:43 pmTau, in a Utopia i would side with you. No one likes war, but wars are a necessary evil and as long as human beings inhabit the earth you can bet your behind there will always be wars. A sad, sad statement of what humanity can be some times.
but you can’t hide your head beneath the ground and pretend that wars won’t happen.
In WWII the USA had no choice but to completly and utterly defeat japan, much like today we have no choice but to completly and utterly defeat terrorism, Al Qaeda, hezzbollah, hamas, and any other terrorist groups that wants the destruction of Israel and the Western world.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:43 pmTau, sorry kid, the world was at war, Japan was more than willing to kill millions of Americans. A war that Japan started, but could not finish and while you are crying over an American General ordering the complete destruction of Japan (I mean Japan jsut want to eradicate America, wow, no big deal I guess) you might want to look into the monstrocities that the Japanese carried out on American POWs, on Chinese POWs, etc, etc.
Comment by leftisnuts
Once again I agree… after seeing what the Japanese did to the Koreans (north and south) the Chinese (rape of Nanking) and the british and americans (buton death march) they were crazed monsters that needed to be stoped even if it meant nukes.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:44 pmCommunism is not about kiling people, Communism is about equal distribution of wealth and justice… which is a GOOD thing… except that communism wants ABSOLUTE equal distribution even if it is articifial… which is NOT evil … just not very efficient… capitalism is MORE efficient because it rewards hard work… but like TOO MUCH communism TOO MUCH capitalism is EVIL … Camel through the eye of a needle and all…
Comment by Gerald Gibson — July 27, 2006 @ 9:25 pm
Uffff. Thank you ver y much, Gerald. That was my whole point.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:44 pmau, sorry kid, the world was at war, Japan was more than willing to kill millions of Americans. A war that Japan started, but could not finish and while you are crying over an American General ordering the complete destruction of Japan (I mean Japan jsut want to eradicate America, wow, no big deal I guess) you might want to look into the monstrocities that the Japanese carried out on American POWs, on Chinese POWs, etc, etc.
Comment by leftisnuts
Naw, the haters, as yourself, as the chinese, as the vitnamese, as the koreas, as the american indians, as the french, YOU and the HATERS like YOU across the globe always find ways and reasons to kill each other.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:44 pmhey juanitoc, pequeno idiotia….this blog doesn’t allow for accents you moron.
man I knew you were uneducated, but you are beyond help.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:45 pmbut wars are a necessary evil and as long as human beings inhabit the earth you can bet your behind there will always be wars. A sad, sad statement of what humanity can be some times.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 9:43 pm
Seriously, forget what you think I am and viceversa, who told you this?
July 27th, 2006 at 9:46 pmleftnut hater
Bush told the haters that IRAQ needed to be hated because the Saudi Hijakers Hated us So the Haters went to war and killed alot of people that knew nothing about the Saudi Hijackers,
But haters don’t use logic. They just Hate and Kill.
Give a Hater like you, leftnut, hate and hate you will, paste a picture on TV, and you will hate what you are told to.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:48 pmJuanito…..yes, you are such a poor ignorance. how can you debate with an idiot that rather be called a communist (an ideology that has caused over 100 million deaths in the world) than being called a Bush follower. wow, you must have a picture of Mao Tsun and Stalin hanging on your wall.
And if you must know mi pequenito, I rather be called a Bush follower than a liberal, left winger, than a Kerry, Clinton, Murtha, Nader, etc follower.
i am not ashamed of my beliefs and what I stand for like you are. I don’t excuse my beliefs by saying that they really aren’t something like you.
you have to excuse your beliefs by saying that they really have never been implemented.
you amuse juanito, eres un pequeno ignorante.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:49 pmJuan C
“Communism has not existed in this planet. I will say that again: Communism has not existed in this planet. “
You know, I’ll lend you a secret. But you must swear not to tell anybody:
You must repeat that 1001 times, then do it again while jumping on your left foot, then again on your right foot. And then ….
still reality is not going to change. Yeap.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:49 pmHave an answer for this?
The seeds of the Hebron massacre were quietly planted in January 1991 when the last members of a notorious Jewish terror underground were set free from Ma’asiyahu Prison near Tel Aviv. Three men, each of whom served less than seven years of life sentences, were cheered as heroes by a large, celebratory crowd of armed Jewish settlers. They were the last detained members of the Terror Against Terror (TNT in Hebrew) settler underground that engulfed the West Bank in innocent blood from 1978 to 1984.
None showed remorse for murdering innocent civilians. Instead they vowed to continue their holy struggle against “Arab terror†in the West Bank as they returned home to the settlement of Kiryat Arba. They were comrades of Dr. Baruch Goldstein, who on Feb. 25 shot to death 29 Palestinian men and boys as they prayed at the Ibrahimi mosque in Hebron.
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0694/9406008.htm
July 27th, 2006 at 9:50 pmleftnut you sure have alot of brains to be such a hater, maybe you should join the army?
You can kill and Hate and Kill and Hate and Kill. And KIll and Hate and Kill.
So why are you stille here leftnut hater?
July 27th, 2006 at 9:51 pmTau, and who said I haven’t served or that I have. Don’t be stupid. Don’t make stupid assumptions of people you have never met face to face. duh, duh, duh…
July 27th, 2006 at 9:52 pmOne Jew, aren’t these guys funny….
I can’t believe that Juanito el pendejito thinks of himself as being educated and made such a claim that communism has never existed on planet earth. Oh man these liberals are fun to watch make idiots out of themselves.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:53 pmI am a realist, not a liberal.
Comment by leftisnuts
Then surely you realize that America was a REAL break in how a group of humans legally are allowed to treat each other? And if you were to read the words of Jesus outside of the context of the bible you would see that there is a WAY… Zen/Buddhism calls it the MIDDLE WAY … but none the less it IS possible… and I always thought America was going to be the one to lead the world down this path… but I guess we are just another Rome…..
July 27th, 2006 at 9:54 pmGerald Gibson
“I dont think so… keep your forked tongue in your mouth… I am not tempted.. my ego has been cleared by zen… I will never feel the need to join your ranks ever again.”
go see #234
July 27th, 2006 at 9:54 pmDavid Ben-Gurion told Nahum Goldmann, the president of the World Jewish Congress:
“If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?”
July 27th, 2006 at 9:54 pmoh please Gerald Gibson, I would take your article more seriously if it didn’t come from an obviously pro-Arab website. nice try though, but completly and 100% biased.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:54 pmI can’t believe that Juanito el pendejito thinks of himself as being educated and made such a claim that communism has never existed on planet earth. Oh man these liberals are fun to watch make idiots out of themselves.
Comment by leftisnuts
If I was being an idiot I would NOT put my name on here and openly say where I live … I have NO shame in my convictions .. any employeer in the future can find ALL of this stuff and if they dont like it they can get BENT… because I have no ulterior motives…
July 27th, 2006 at 9:55 pmTau
“I’m sick of war and the haters that cause them.”
… yeah, i just wanna live in a la-la land happily everafter.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:55 pmm>Hey you little twerp you have worrn that line out maybe it is your mommy that wants you to get to bed. Your over your head here kid.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:55 pmgo see #234
Comment by One Jew
ok ? was did you mean another number?
July 27th, 2006 at 9:57 pmoh please Gerald Gibson, I would take your article more seriously if it didn’t come from an obviously pro-Arab website. nice try though, but completly and 100% biased.
Comment by leftisnuts
Maybe it was arab .. I didnt look …just a quick google search because I knew of the story from back when I saw it on CNN… and they said the exact same thing.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:58 pmGot you on the accents, buddy.
Yeah, call me what you want. At first you sounded really solid and now you are falling apart with personal attacks…good. Thats what the right has to offer.
Pequeño is with a “ñ”. Yeah, I know, it sucks.
I know I dont defend any murderer state…whatever you want to call it. Communism is a phylosophical, economical and a political doctrine. Communism is a response against the unjustice that with industrial revolution was born, puttin farmers in factories making richness out of workers exploitation. Do you work or not? Wouldnt you agree with better working conditions?
You keep a good grip on your free market there, good. Dont let that goes away. But it will. Oh, I am not a communist. Nice try.
July 27th, 2006 at 9:59 pmBen-Gurion told Nahum Goldmann, the president of the World Jewish Congress:
“If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?”
July 27th, 2006 at 9:59 pmleftisnuts
“One Jew, aren’t these guys funny…”
No, as you put it yourself – they are far beyond….
But then again, why You and I are here?
It’s “Think Progress”, right ;)
July 27th, 2006 at 10:00 pmTau, the left is nuts is NOT an assumption, it is the truth. Sorry that you don’t like the truth.
and once again, who said I am not currently serving or that I am? i think you are the typical hypocrite.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:01 pmJuan C, you want respect, I’ll give it to you, but you came in here with guns blazing insulting me. Don’t be the typical liberal than when insults are returned you start cracking, crying and whining ok.
and once again, this blog doesn’t allow you to use the spanish writing commands. You must first write them in microsoft words and then cut and paste them. sorry to prove you wrong again.
you want respect, call a truce and I’ll be more than glad to respect you. If you read this forum i have had very meaningful and respectulf exchanges with others that didn’t insult me because of my political, cultural and social views. truce?
July 27th, 2006 at 10:03 pmIsrael!
Just say you are sorry to the arabs!
If they dont accept it they will attack!
And when an honest man acts with humility and a monster attacks him despite it the rest of his neighbors will rise up and kill the monster.
Lets not have war forever!
Bring this to an end!
Do the right thing so we can either make friends with the arabs or destroy them soon!
good night all… even the trolls … trolls are people to… I think…
July 27th, 2006 at 10:03 pmGerald Gibson
#246
“ok ? was did you mean another number?”
Yeah, I meant #233.
Webmaster is cleaning the posts as we speak.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:04 pmIs there anyone on this thread who knows how th spell “Qur’an”?
July 27th, 2006 at 10:04 pmGerald Gibson
“CNN… and they said the exact same thing”
Thanks, finally.
DO NOT watch CNN!!!!!!! Please, do not. It’s like listening to a fork-mouth. Didn’t you know?
July 27th, 2006 at 10:06 pmJuan C, I 100% agree with you that a workers condition could be much better, but it is not going to be achieved through left wing ideology.
Hey my wife just gave birth and it kills me that i was barely able to spend time with my newborn before I had to return to work.
now are conditions at a point that are miserable for workers? of course not. They have dramaticly improved and depending on what STate you live in, the worker has the upper hand today.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:07 pmIn fact, i believe that workers in America do pretty well, JuanC. It also depends on your level of education and you can bet your behind that I do not believe in equal distrubtion of wealth. You need to be payed according to what you do in society. A doctor deserves to earn more money than a garbage collector.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:09 pmwell sorry JuanC, my keyboard doesn’t have the spanish commands. the only way for me to put in the accents and the “stick” above the n is by typing my posts in microsoft word and then cutting and pasting them.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:11 pm#262 – One Jew,
July 27th, 2006 at 10:11 pmA linguist.
Wouldn’t we all like to live in a world where everybody is treated with respect and dignity for their fellow human being. I believe most Americans and the majority of the world would agree. However, we are now engaged in a world where there is a taught ideology of hate. When a child is born they are not born to hate it’s a taught behavior and then it is re-enforced through radical islamofacists teachings. It’s not just the children, but the many oppressed people who have nothing, because their own governments won’t seek alternatives. We can chose to confront this problem or we can sit idle. The UN is not the answer. This talking heads society is part of the problem. They don’t enforce their own resolutions to start with, and their creditability has been wasted. The only reason many countries support the UN is because they have this need to game it. Even the good old USA. The point I am trying to make is; we need to confront now before it’s to late. If that means military force then so be it. Diplomacy only works if you have a common goal without hidden agenda’s. The history of the world has many examples of ideology gone wild. Hitler and Nazism to name one. The world stood up and crushed it and in the long run it proved to be the right choice, obviously. Moreover, that came about by overwhelming force, and correct me if I am wrong. Today we are faced with a similar ideology and many people want to appease it. Have we become a nation of “well nothing bad has happened to me, therefore it’s not my problem.†I stand by our President and the hard choices he has to make. Love him or hate him he is the one who ultimately makes the decisions. That is our system of government. I stand as an American who hates war, but knows when it’s necessary. Let’s not forget the words of Winston Churchill in reference to appeasement; “those who want to feed the crocodile, are hoping it would eat them last.”
July 27th, 2006 at 10:14 pmFinally, this goes out to both sides of this debate. Making a political issue out of this is not helping the country or helping us fight the terrorists.
In fact, i believe that workers in America do pretty well, JuanC.
Comment by leftisnuts
I agree. I think you have the best educated, strong working class in the world. But I think your government is constantly undermining their rights: civil, labor, cultural…
Please, stay with me without jumping, communism- in theory, of course, thats why I said it has never happened, cause it never worked due to corrupted, totalitarian russian bureaucracy- is a way to distribute the richness regulated by the state. Just that. Honestly, what do you fear so much about communism? What has ever a bunch of workers deciding to earn more money out of their labor do to you?
You need to be payed according to what you do in society. A doctor deserves to earn more money than a garbage collector.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 10:09 pm
I agree! I have heard that argument since high school. (I was not very popular) but, the thing is that if every guy/girl has the opportunity to be a doctor, OK. But thats not what is happening. People are born without opportunities, do you agree? Could an african guy be a doctor with the same chances than a Swiss, French or an american guy? NO. Thats my whole point.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:21 pmAnd #265 brings to mind a joke I often heard in Europe and Asia -
July 27th, 2006 at 10:21 pmWhat do you call someone who speaks several languages – A multilinguist.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages – A bilinguist.
What do you call someone who speaks one language – An American.
I have heard this in Japanese, German, Dutch, Chinese and Italian.
Oh WalttheGirl, I’d really like to see that in print.. Just to help you .. you can probally google it to get the right anwer, then I have someone here who can ask you a question in chinese.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:24 pmleftisnuts:
Now, back at the thread:
I think Hezbollah and Hamas are terrorists. No one here has ever defended them. BUT, Israel took their land. Maybe they lived there, but they took that land with force! I dont justify terrorists but I certainly understand their desperation. I think there is a huge religious manipulation along this. Why they send kids to blow themselves (why poor american kids are sent to Iraq and not kids of politicians?)? If Osama is really coherent he would be the first to tape a bomb to his body, but he doesnt, cause it is all about power. From both sides…are you still with me?
July 27th, 2006 at 10:28 pmGregor, your post 160 was BRILLIANT! Thank you.
PLC, your post 184 was also brilliant. Thank you.
Leftisnuts, your post 206 was your best. Please try to keep your posts to that level.
Some of you have posted that ALL Jewish people can trace their ancestry back to those who lived in Israel 2000 years ago. Why do you post this? This is wrong and easily disproven.
I was married to a Jewish man for 24 years. He was Ashkenazi on both sides of his family. His mother often talked about how their distant ancestors were tribes which lived in the Caucasus mountains, and were converted around 1000 AD. My inlaws didn’t have a drop of Sephardic blood in them as far as they knew. Now, given the fact that people tend to intermingle and intermarry, some Ashkenazim may have married some Sephardics at some point. Also many of us who are not Jewish could well have Sephardic blood. Does that mean that anyone who has a drop of Sephardic blood can also move to Israel, and move into the Gaza Strip, say, and displace an Arab whose family has lived there for maybe 1000 years?
Please don’t misunderstand. Israel is there now and as Gerald, I believe, pointed out, the majority of Israelis living today were born there. I don’t advocate disbanding Israel. The Arabs need to accept Israel’s existence. They do more harm to themselves than the Israelis by their intransigence.
But the elephant in the room is that land was wrested forcibly from Arabs who had been there for 100s of years, with all too predictable results. If Israel would even just admit that Arabs were displaced from their land who had done no harm, I think this would help to defuse tensions a little. It’s not going to happen but I can dream, can’t I?
ALL of the parties in this region have blood on their hands. All have legitimate grievances. War will not present any final solution, because it creates more terrorists and more hatred.
There are identifiable leaders of Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Qaeda, etc. If I had my way, I would put those leaders, and those of Israel, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc., all together in a room. They would be sequestered from outside contact. They would have pallets to sleep on, access to restrooms, minimal heating or cooling, and basic food. I would tell them that any time any of their followers kill or kidnap, they get a body part cut off, and guess which one I’d start with! ;)
Seriously, I would like to get them together and force them to sit down and talk to each other. I would give each leader 15 minutes to list his grievances, and during that time no one else would be allowed to talk. Then they would be given, say, 10 days, to figure out how to settle things so that everyone has a piece of the pie.
The U.S. should stay out of this altogether as we are poison in the Middle East now. Except that we can contribute Seals and Rangers to an international force of similar highly trained men and women. All the leaders would be told that if anyone of their followers bombs, or kidnaps, or shoots, anyone of a different group, the leader would be given, say, a week to isolate the evildoers and neutralize them, whether by death or imprisonment. If the leader failed to isolate the offender(s) he would know that one of the crack international team would take him out.
OK, I’m speculating and dreaming. But the current methods are clearly not working. I’m trying to think outside the box (I hate that term, BTW). So how about it, people? Can any of the rest of you throw out some creative ideas?
July 27th, 2006 at 10:36 pmPut them on the next space shuttle and let them hash it out while they look at the earth from there.
July 27th, 2006 at 10:43 pmfrogcatcher gets my vote!
thanks wolfdaughter, for an excellent change in the dialogue…
July 27th, 2006 at 10:50 pmand the many insights and suggestions…
Truly, you are not as naïve as you sound.
Comment by One Jew — July 27, 2006 @ 9:09 pm
Why? Israel has several prisoners who belong to Hezbollah, and Hezbollah has already said -repeatedly- they are ready to exchange prisoners. This has been widely reported and these exchanges of prisoners are nothing new.
Are you an expert in military operations against terrorism?
I will refer you to “The war of the flea”.
Several implementations of such tactic have been employed. The Guatemalan government during their dirty war against their own insurgents in the 1980s, and by Putin’s administration ongoing operations in Chechnya are recent examples.
Sorry, I’m not familiar with this concept. Have that been ever tried anywhere before (Besides the dream-homes)?
What concept, limited response or negotiations?
At any rate, as I’ve already said -Israel has done this before. It is nothing new. I guess they also live in “dream homes”.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:11 pmGregor Samsa
July 27th, 2006 at 11:15 pmYou obviously live in a great place without any external problems, you have you eye on your vacation, your great job, your family. Pretty damn obvious you’ve never been shot at. go ahead live your life in your stupid vacation land, it won’t last long. Ask someone who’s been there
Walt the lIar? still looking for your sorry lying ass?
July 27th, 2006 at 11:16 pmOK, gonna go smoke a great dominican cigar, give you a lot of time to translate a third grade quote, sure you’ll have something when I come back.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:20 pmFrom the knuckle dragger –
Ooooh, drooler with investive. OK – why don’t you hang out with the Stormfront folks, I wonder how many of them voted for Kerry. Actually you’ll be quite welcome as a Bush supporter. And uh make sure and tell them you’re Jewish by the way…you can go to the Klan’s website too. How many of those folks do you think voted for Kerry? Better yet, why don’t you apply to Falwell’s Liberty U?
July 27th, 2006 at 11:22 pmthe difference is that these groups are old, freaking old and haven’t done much of anything in the past few decades and these groups didn’t kill in the name of a god like Muslims do.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 9:27 pm
I think the dead ones don’t care in the name of what or who they are killed. Either way they end up dead.
Surely different motivations do not make one act of terror right and the other wrong, do they?
As I had to teach little JuanitoC, no country in the world is free from sin when it comes to its history.
And showing that was my intention exactly.
Israel is not the agressor, in fact many of the terrorist groups that came out of Israel were in direct response to Arab terrorist groups.
True, but there’s a line that separates victim from aggressor, and Israel has crossed it. Massive bombardment of civilian infrastructure, and targetting denselly populateed residential areas is not what a victim does anymore.
And none of this is a defense of Hezbollah. I support Israel’s right to exist, no question about it. At the same time, I don’t think Lebanese civilians should be paying the price.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:29 pmi wan talk to the person wo said he talk chinese, he lies
July 27th, 2006 at 11:29 pmWow, CantEvenSayourName
July 27th, 2006 at 11:36 pmI would be ashamed.. but then … your not.
really want to talk to the no#10 pervert. walt the ?
July 27th, 2006 at 11:42 pmYou obviously live in a great place without any external problems, you have you eye on your vacation, your great job, your family.
Comment by chung — July 27, 2006 @ 11:15 pm
I am inclined to believe you just described most people in this blog. Although I failed to see why or how this is relevant to the discussion.
Pretty damn obvious you’ve never been shot at. go ahead live your life in your stupid vacation land, it won’t last long. Ask someone who’s been there
What are you talking about? Been where, Israel or Lebanon?
Is this because I don’t think Lebanese civilians should be blown to pieces? There is a humanitarian catastrophe looming in Lebanon right now. Are you angry that I feel sorry for them?
July 27th, 2006 at 11:44 pmWhen is Israel going to get over it’s penis envy?
July 27th, 2006 at 11:45 pmWhy does armitage hate america? This from one of the conquerers of Russia.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:51 pmGregor Samsa
July 27th, 2006 at 11:53 pmwow, relevence… look up this list. why u ask such stupid question? most people here american right? you bbeen shot at? you hav to w0rry bot wat you eat? i think not
Hey Waltthequeer, your still watching I know…. your balls are the things in your pants… lets see what you got.
July 27th, 2006 at 11:56 pmwhy u ask such stupid question?
Comment by chung — July 27, 2006 @ 11:53 pm
There are plenty of other people in this blog who will happily engage your name-calling if that is what you are interested in.
I will not trade insults with you. Either make your point or ignore my posts.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:03 am15 minutes….. still waiting.. someone who was told in.. oh damn.. 5-6 langes (sic) said he was told…….. (above) cant even translate a third grade (Its italian dumb shit) reader question.. gottta have some credabilty problems. If anyone wants his IP let me know.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:05 amo ur stupid gregor, what u say?
July 28th, 2006 at 12:07 amWaltTheMan.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:14 amHad to look up 40+ minutes. Assume your just a fool. Unwilling to engage in any discussion.
Paul Krugman has some pretty hurtful; things to say about the Iraq war.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:22 amI could use a little help here and after the questions I will add my little diddy….Could a bible reader answer this question for me, please..Is it written in Revelations that the rapture will occure when Israel fall’s. Or a part of it.?…Or is it after all the volcanos and earth quakes.? I honestly don’t know and don’t believe in such things but people in power do.
Well heres a thought. Now that the good old USA is run by extreme fundamentalists christians that want to bring on the rapture, armagedon what ever and said radical right wingers are the present waramongers inciting and backing all these wars just where does that leave good old Israel in the reight winged scheme of things.? Have the Israel backers posting here ever read the parts of the bible that these war loards are going by.? I wonder if you are being set up for more of the same just like our military has been for 3 and a half years…Do you wonder why you are being hedged to go after Syria and Iran….Hummmmm. Do you honestly think heir bush and his masters cheney and rove give a flying fig about you or your little state.? Hell no. Oh yah they may back you to continue the attacks, which by the way only creates more sympathizers for the other guys but bottom line, they are relegious radicals, and want you to do their dirty work and bring on their end times…..
Call me what you want, I don’t care and yes this time I am for all the innocent Lebanon victoms….No more wineing, you were wrong this time, just like bush was in Iraq. Now more people will join up with your enemy because you went over board..600 lives lost in Lebanon 56 lost in Israel….. Any time line on the rapture these people are trying to get you all to bring about…….Just wanted to know cause theres a cute little BMW that a radical reich winger owns and I sure would like to have it when he goes with all the rest of you believers…..Blessings.Peace..Demand it now.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:33 amNon-plural, non-Gentile,
You know, that is not very peaceful statement. You have to exercise restraint and a limited, proportional response. Isn’t that what you preach?
I do not preach. I listen, and wonder, “does mankind even deserve to exist?”
Non-proportional response – you might win a Darwin award for that.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:36 amone jew (maybe?)/red dog/chung/sybil/santo …
July 28th, 2006 at 12:38 ammy guess…
Anyone who thinks that we have no alternative but to participate in a religious war has been in a position of comfort for too long.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:00 amConsidering the numerous bits of ‘wisdom’ that “leftisnut” so thoughtfully lowered himself to ‘bestow’ upon we undeserving people, I just wanted to call a couple of them to everyone’s attention, so that we can all appreciate just how gifted he is. In post #53, leftisnuts says “Israel was born out of a U.N. Resolution…” Then in post #155, leftisnuts says “1) Oh please do not bring U.N. Resolutions into this…” Thanks SO much, leftisnuts, we truly do not deserve you!
July 28th, 2006 at 5:55 amkaty
“maybe?)/red dog/chung/sybil/santo …
my guess…”
Your next guess is … One Jew. Told you b4 – mind spelling it right?
July 28th, 2006 at 6:54 amComing back when u ask for it?
Gregor Samsa
“Why? Israel has several prisoners who belong to Hezbollah, and Hezbollah has already said -repeatedly- they are ready to exchange prisoners. This has been widely reported and these exchanges of prisoners are nothing new.”
U still did not ask what I told u 2 if u really want the answer. But u don’t. U prefer to wear blinders – safe and easy.
“I will refer you to “The war of the fleaâ€.”
No. I would not be referred. Gi’mme oneliner.
“Several implementations of such tactic have been employed. The Guatemalan government during their dirty war against their own insurgents in the 1980s, and by Putin’s administration ongoing operations in Chechnya are recent examples.”
The latter example is a perfect stretch. Read your own left media or Human Rights or IRCC. How ridiculous. Now progs make an example of democracy out of Putin? Is that because George W. said the opposite?
“What concept, limited response or negotiations?
At any rate, as I’ve already said -Israel has done this before. It is nothing new. I guess they also live in “dream homesâ€.”
Sinse u did mention “also”, then u concurr that u and your friends do. Exactly what I’ve been telling u all along. Finally we agree on something. Thx.
July 28th, 2006 at 7:07 amGregor Samsa
“I support Israel’s right to exist, no question about it. “
Wow, what a progress, what an achievement!!!
You must be awarded something for this.
No truly, could one have imagined this could be done. Gregor Samsa does actually said that Israel has a right to exist!!!!!!!!!
Unbelievable…
Any one other prog want to join Gregor Samsa?
Go for it, we’ll make a list.
July 28th, 2006 at 7:15 am#287 Cyra Brown
“Considering the numerous bits… etc”
leftisnuts is right. You do have hollow spaces in your education.
It is so obvious: what leftisnuts means is that it has been ~60 years of UN. The issue is
1. what UN has been
2. what has become of it
kapish?
July 28th, 2006 at 7:24 am#43 Krazny
“Given your condescending tone, and obvious sociopathic tendencies One Jew… etcâ€
Keep on going.
“We can…etcâ€
You seemingly have a lot of thoughts that cause you to get confused.
Let’s se if you will accept a helping hand.
Step One: What’s YOUR point?
July 28th, 2006 at 7:50 am#50 madashell
“AND in criticizing Israel for their misdeeds, does NOT make one an antisemitic.â€
Sometimes it does, sometime it doesn’t.
Being anti-Semitic is not fashionable after WWII like it was in 1920s-1930s.
So, what choice do anti-Semites have? Well, if one has the right question, then the answer becomes easy. Being anti-Israel has been anti-Semitic fashion for 60 years.
So, are you anti-Semitic? It’s a simple YES/NO question. Dare to answer?
July 28th, 2006 at 7:57 amThere was a time when the United States was capable of steering a middle course in the middle east. One example is the “King-Crane Commission” report that was ordered by President Woodrow Wilson, and published in 1919. The purpose of the commission was to give the United States an independent view of what the Europeans were planning to do with the former Turkish empire. This was post-Balfour Declaration, when the desire of Zionists to create a state of Israel had won European approval.
July 28th, 2006 at 7:58 amIn very short, the Commission’s finding was that the central Zionists slogan “A land with no people for a people with no land,” was false. Palestine was fully populated, and the indigenous people did not want to leave, or be ruled by an emigre government of european foreigners.
Here’s a link to the report.
http://www.hri.org/docs/king-crane/
Somewhat less ancient history comes from 1956, when the British, French, and Israelis bombed Port Said and invaded Egypt. The Russians began to ready their fleet to go to the aid of there Egyptian allies. the Brits asked the US to move the Sixth Fleet to block the Russians. President Eisenhower told them that he would not; he was damned if the Brits were going to use the American fleet as if it was there own, or words to that effect.
Back in those days, the Arab world had some faith in the word of the United States. That’s at least part of the reason why the Saudis chose American oil companies to explore in the Arabian peninsula, rather than BP, Imperial, Elf, Royal Dutch, et al.
But now we’re in the position that any attempt to inject any element of rationality into conversation about the middle east is met with Zionist cries that “Israel must live!” and anyone who doesn’t equate “Living” with freedom to bomb any neighbor at will is an anti-semite, racist, terrorist, like that.
I don’t feel the US has the right to tell Israel what to do any more than it has the right to tell Egypt what to do. But I do resent having my tax dollars pay for the weapons to carry out their murderous attacks.
seo
Madashell
“READ THE ARAB AWAKENING FOR THE TRUTH!”
Or better yet, boycot it, since once you buy it – who knows where your money end up being.
July 28th, 2006 at 7:59 ammadashell
“The conservative belief seems to be that white peoples lives are worth more than brown peoples.”
What the heck is that? The only excuse in this sentence is “seems”. Well, if you are high, then you are excused.
July 28th, 2006 at 8:08 amSo, are you anti-Semitic? It’s a simple YES/NO question. Dare to answer?
Comment by One Jew
So, have you stopped masturbating on Main Street? It’s a simple YES/NO question. Dare to answer?
July 28th, 2006 at 8:26 amSo, are you anti-Semitic? It’s a simple YES/NO question. Dare to answer?
Comment by One Jew
Now, my serious answer. No, I am not anti-Semitic, anti-Arab, or anti-American. I just disagree with many of the policies and violations of civility and social morality put forth by the leaders and followers of these various cultures and nations. If you do not form your world into black/white, yes/no pigeon-holes you give yourself more options in how to respond to the world.
July 28th, 2006 at 8:31 am#121 For Truth
“The Left and the Right are both nuts, there’s got to be some other direction.â€
Yes, of course.
I would have said “the extreme Left and the extreme Right†though.
This issue is very fundamental and emerges as urgent.
Brilliant thought For Truth. Thank you very much.
What I’m talking about is a kind of middle ground senators McCain and Lieberman were attempting to find. Something middle-class, middle-ground Americans could relate to. BTW, we (the middle-ground America) are a majority. It’s a shame that we are formally not represented as a political force.
Should we?
July 28th, 2006 at 8:36 am#128 DieNowForPeace
“Where’s One Jew when you need him?”
Sorry, pal, it is not my only job, u c?
July 28th, 2006 at 8:39 amWolfdaughter
Mind following up on what you ask for?
July 28th, 2006 at 8:52 am#105 leftisnuts
Man-Oh-Man.
leftisnuts single-handedly taken care of the entire dem/prog crowd. Nice work. My bows.
But this:
“software engineer? you are funny Gerald Gibson, just because you play with video games it doesn’t make you a software engineer.”
nocked me off. I truly underestimated that your are far better then I have thought .
Thanks a lot. Proud to be in a nice crowd with you, Sir.
July 28th, 2006 at 8:58 amPatrioticLiberalChristian
“So, have you stopped masturbating on Main Street? It’s a simple YES/NO question. Dare to answer?”
Of cause , I dare to answer, you do not have to make it all bold to get attention at your mind set.
Here is my answer to your question:
Did you?
July 28th, 2006 at 9:02 am303 One Jew
July 28th, 2006 at 9:06 amI bold-highlighted your comment for the same reason you bold-highlighted my screen name. Interesting that you chose to ignore the message of my satire.
PatrioticLiberalChristian
“Now, my serious…etc.”
No, I think you were serious.
“No, I am not anti-Semitic, anti-Arab, or anti-American.”
Congratulations!!! The winner is – PatrioticLiberalChristian – he came clean first.
Or, at least he claims to have.
We’ll just have to see for how long PatrioticLiberalChristian could remember the oath made. My guess – not for too long, say, a couple of days and we’ll see PatrioticLiberalChristian perform the flip-flop.
Let’s watch…
July 28th, 2006 at 9:08 amOne Jew.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:11 amIs there going to be some interesting content in your posts to discuss or just respond to every single “prog” post you come across?
PatrioticLiberalChristian
I bold your name for your own convenience, so you could easy find who’s following up with you.
“Interesting that you chose to ignore the message of my satire.”
Did it heart your fe-e-e-elings? I am truly sorry, I did not maen to heart your feeeelings.
Then again, isn’t this democracy? Isn’t it my choise what to ignore?
July 28th, 2006 at 9:12 amJuan C
“Is there going to be some interesting content in your posts to discuss or just respond to every single “prog†post you come across?”
Is that your observation?
Hm. You are a bad observer. Consult with For Truth
July 28th, 2006 at 9:14 amchop-chop.
Hey Spooky,
Do you mind telling what your hours are? Cause your work is messing up post references we make to each other.
Thx, greatly appreciate it.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:17 amCan one good dem or one good prog explain: Why y’all are anti-Israel?
Comment by One Jew — July 27, 2006 @ 8:17 pm
So, I took one of your previous post to discuss with.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:22 amIt is very rare that someone here, you know “progs” and people you seem to despise so much for their ideas, hates Israel. No body here is defending Hezbollah and Hamas or other terrorist organization. No body here defends either what Israel is doing: bombing civilians (people, facilities and homes) to find 2 soldiers. The measure has been disproportionate and I would be glad if you agree that killing civilians (stop that collateral damage “Bruce Willis tough guy” bullshit, it is people who dies) is not going to be seen as an effort to bring consensus over Israel.
Sorry for the “No body”.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:24 amWell, well… the chickens come home to roost for the Bush administration. I’m watchingthis conflict from 10,000 miles away and all I can say is that I am chhering on Hamas and Hezbollah 100%. Israel is an arm of the U.S. military and te sooner it is put out of commision, the better. The Israeli’s have consistently reacted disproportionately and I am pulling for Iran to just nuke them. Let’s just wipe this whole region off the face of the earth. Nuke the place to dust and push Israel/Palestine into the sea. It’s like two wild dogs fighting – go and let then do it to the death, but if they get on my property – I’ll shoot them. It is time to kill these two wild dogs.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:39 amAn earlier poster mentioned thgat Israel is “our ally.” Please reconcilethat comment with the string of Israelis who have been convicted of espoinage against this country. They are NO ONE’s ally. They act as if immune from International Law. It is time for the UN to act to place sanctions on Israel and isolate the country until it can behave like a civilized nation.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:42 am#313 It is time for the UN to act to place sanctions on Israel and isolate the country until it can behave like a civilized nation.
Comment by xxx — July 28, 2006 @ 9:42 am
The UN does it constantly. But the USA bloks the UN actions every time. Just check what is going now. The USA is shielding Israel from a resolution calling for a truce, while they do as much damage as they can do to Lebanon, not only Hezbollah.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:57 amJuan C
#310 “Sorry for the “No bodyâ€.”
Fine, excepted. I’m off. B back @6:00 pm.
But, appreciating your input, I’m making exclusion to respond:
“No body here is defending Hezbollah and Hamas or other terrorist organization.”
Good, I’d like to see others to acknowledge that as you did. Thx.
“No body here defends either what Israel is doing”
Too bad. That’s simply because the public is misinformed thus ignorant, or misled by some (media) with agendas.
“The measure has been disproportionate and I would be glad if you agree that killing civilians”
Says who?
Putin – a symbol of democracy for some.
Juck Shir-Ak – who failed to save 15,000 his own french fellow citizens from a heat-wave. He’s incompetent. Too bad French people are in a doom land as far as their political climate is, so they have to put up with lowly-qualified people as Juck is.
C’mon. Israel is at war. Imagine daily barrages of rockets coming to your neighborhood. You have some imagination, please, try real hard to imagine that instead going to work and back home you hide with your family in bomb-shelter day-in-and-day-out.
Both sides are suffering you say? Well, the germans did suffer when US bombed them since 1943, will you say? US definitely overreacted in Dresden, will you say? It was a war, pal. Wanna sniff it? Enlist.
Right, Ho Chi Minh?
“an effort to bring consensus over Israelâ€
But, there is no need for that, because there is a consensus: Israel is a country, a member of UN, she has a right to protect yourself from aggression.
It’s simple, what’s more into it? Except hidden agendas.
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July 28th, 2006 at 10:32 am#151
“I have read what Hamas thinks of Israel… they say they want Israel destroyed … not all jews killed … the jews could move somewhere else and that would be fine by Hamas… you are confusing Hamas with Nazis.”
You are so blind it isn’t even funny anymore.
“Article Seven: The Universality of Hamas
‘The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’ (Article 7)”
Hamas intends to wipe out the Jews from Palestine.
“The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day.”
Palestine is not Islamic land. It is Jewish, Christian, and Islamic land.
“Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement.”
I.e. there will be no peaceful negotiations with Isreal.
“Article Six: Peculiarity and Independence
Only under the shadow of Islam could the members of all regions coexist in safety and security for their lives, properties and rights.”
“The members of other religions must desist from struggling against Islam over sovereignty in this region.”
I.e. all people of other religions MUST submit to Islam’s authority, i.e. be slaves.
BTW the Palestinians could move somewhere else also OR learn to live in peace with Israel.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:36 am#157
“Because you are talking about CRIMES .,.. and I am talking about ETHNIC CLEANSING and TERRORISM.”
So what Hamas and Hezbollah does to the Israelis are “crimes” and what the Isrealis do is ethnic clensing and terrorism? You are insane.
“Because I have read the Koran and it says to NOT kill Jews unless they are killing Muslims…”
Well Hamas and Hezbollah must have missed that part of the Koran because they intend to kill evey Jew that is on so-called Palestinian land. If the Koran says ONLY to kill Jews because they are killing Muslims then then they have no right to kill for land.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:46 am#168
“…what I found out is that they like Jesus (he is a prophet in the Koran) and that their laws demand that Jews not be harmed except in self defense….”
Well Hamas and Hezbollah are not following their own law based on the teachings of the Koran then.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:50 am#168
“And it is also obvious that massive war and occupation doesn’t either. After all, Hezbollah is still alive and well.”
What massive war? This BS policy of LIMITED response by Isreal over the years against Hamas is why they continue to attack Israel and is why Hezbollah is MORE powerful today with all it’s rockets than it was in 2000.
“A limited response at least causes less damage, and costs less.”
Exactly! and a LIMITED response is a total crap policy. Trading licks is NOT the way to achieve peace.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:57 am#193
What would opening up Isreal or any of those other country’s nuclear weapons programs achive exactly? Is the U.N. going to demand that all of those countries give them up? If your arguement is that why should Isreal have nukes but not countries like Iran then you have your blinders on and no one can take them off except you. Are you aware of the religious fanatic that is in charge of Iran today?
July 28th, 2006 at 11:04 am#257
“I agree! I have heard that argument since high school.”
Then why do you support a progressive tax system?…or do you.
Just because people aren’t born with the same opportunity as others are doesn’t mean, especially in the U.S., that they CANNOT achive that doctor or brain surgon position. There are millions of individual examples of this.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:14 ammoderated by admin
July 28th, 2006 at 11:15 am#260
“BUT, Israel took their land. Maybe they lived there, but they took that land with force!”
They were FORCED off of it a couple thousands of years ago. They are just reclaiming land they they were forced off of to begin with.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:17 amU still did not ask what I told u 2 if u really want the answer.
Comment by One Jew — July 28, 2006 @ 7:07 am
I am not into silly games. If you want to tell me something, just do it..
Now progs make an example of democracy out of Putin?
You completely misread my post. Putin’s war in Chechnya is an example of ruthless anti-guerrilla tactics. I thought it was clear from what I said.
Sinse u did mention “alsoâ€, then u concurr that u and your friends do.
Sarcasm is not your forte, is it?
July 28th, 2006 at 11:29 am#291-O,J.- leftisnuts directly contradicted himself. I merely pointed it out.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:40 amI’ve been trying to get something up on this blog for a while now about this new movie that is premiering today in NYC, Tampa, Austin, Chicago, and Kansas City. It’s by Aaron Russo, “AMERICA: Freedom to Fascismâ€, and it rocks. If you think this country is screwed up, watch the film. I saw it and I felt physically ill afterwards.
http://www.freedomtofascism.com
July 28th, 2006 at 1:54 pmRussia, enlightened, disqualifies dual-passport holders from elecitlve office and positions in goverment generally. Apply that rule here, and the administration would be properly decimated. Peace would have a chance and there’d be a hell of lot less mischief internationaly on our part. Considering the persuasions of most duals, it’s appearing now that Tomas de Torquemada hasd it absolutley right.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:29 pma sign of the apocalypse…
i actually agree with something richard armitage said about the middle east.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:13 pmsurely these must be the end of times. but there’s no need to really panic……
#321 Tracy
Are you aware of the religious fanatic that is in charge of Iran today?
Tracy, are you aware of the religious fanatic that is charge of America today? Just wondering.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:03 pm# 324 SO, shouldn’t the native americans be bombing the shit out of the white house using this same argument. That double standard argument doesn’t hold water to sane people.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:08 pmGregor Samsa
“I am not into silly games. If you want to tell me something, just do it.”
You got it all backwards. You wanna know something – ask.
You are not paying cash for the answer, do u?
July 28th, 2006 at 5:12 pmGregor Samsa
“Sarcasm is not your forte, is it?”
One joke differs from the other. In this case, the joke had a big part of truth in it. Get it?
July 28th, 2006 at 5:14 pmphillyfan
“# 324 SO, shouldn’t the native americans be bombing the shit out of the white house using this same argument. That double standard argument doesn’t hold water to sane people.”
Very clever, thank you Madam/Sir.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:16 pmI’m outta here.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:17 pmThe Jewist leaders have used the term Zionist for as long as I can remember. Israel uses the term anti-semitic much like blacks use the term racist. Israel can never justify killing women and children in the name of fighting terrorist. Israel is also guilty of terrorism.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:33 pmIn response to the one who wrote,
July 29th, 2006 at 2:27 am“Remember we are the “bleeding heart†liberals…. we REMEMBER all those murderous reins… which is why we FIGHT against all those that act like they even MIGHT become like them.”
I would quote an old Chinese proverb that advised those who set out to fight monsters be careful lest they themselves become monsters.
Seems to happen all the the time.
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July 29th, 2006 at 4:19 amJudd
Sir, I understand you are in charge of this outlet.
Seeing the style of this site management, I do not expect you do respond in any way
(well, maybe forbidding my blog name from the use; which would be quite consistent with the concept of freedom-of-speech you claim to support)
But,
I would greatly appreciate if you could spare a few moments of your most precious time to read this.
Below analysis is in no way includes, reflects or relates to blog posts that is a separate concern. It is solely based on your selection of news pieces presented and the comments made by your staff members that is a group of accredited professionals. The problem is what for and how the professional qualities of your staff are being used.
ThinkProgress News/Blogs web site currently is a perfect example of one out of many biased extreme-left ideological outlets. These kinds of media reflect features that are very characteristical of the purpose they serve and have been most common across the media in a past and nowadays.
The biased extreme-left ideological purpose they serve is a BRAINWASH of the worst kind, reminiscent of the worst examples of media abuse:
- Soviet Union’s total government-controlled brainwash machine
- propaganda machine by Dr. Joseph Goebbels
Specifically, there was no time when the Soviet’s propaganda had been worse then the body you, Judd, are in charge of. Even in the worst times Soviet propaganda did present facts, news and opinions from “the other sideâ€, “the ideological enemyâ€.
You do not do that.
These claims are also supported by the following almost military style methods this site employs (in short – like Lenin said – “anything goes†kind of methods)
- the selection of negligent value news that further are being blown out of proportion with the goal to deceit and diverge the attention of your audience
- the elaborate selection of events presented within an article to serve the above goal
- the content of comments to the news made by your staff members serve the purpose of creating one-sided view; thus attempting to convince (brainwash) the reader as oppose to provide the reader with information, so the reader could build ones opinion on ones own
All the three items above are the 101 of propaganda brainwash.
In conclusion it is worthwhile to mention to you, Judd, that democracy is our heritage. It is the responsibility of mine and your generations to pass this heritage over to the next generations of Americans, hopefully making it stronger.
You, Judd, and your staff members are being used for the opposite purpose: to make democracy weaker, hopefully to diminish the political and intellectual influence of democracy.
Thank you very much for your time. Very Truly,
July 29th, 2006 at 12:15 pmjames riser or PatrioticLiberalChristian or hister or katy or whatever blog name u use:
I have an outstanding debt to pay:
“tonight is slow…i welcome you to expand on your attack of what you believe are my epistemological roots…â€
C’mon, com out – this is your last chance to claim the price.
July 29th, 2006 at 12:16 pm“impossible to eliminate Hezbollah through airstrikes”, not so.
July 29th, 2006 at 1:17 pmYou got to remember the Israelis are more patient than us westerners. Given
enough time the Israelis will eliminate all Arabs within a 100 miles of Isreal.
Dursun
#341. Thx. I loved the post.
July 29th, 2006 at 6:30 pm#339 I got two words for you, FOX NEWS. You seem to be an avid spectator since you spew the same spin that the “BRAINWASHED” koolaid drinkers mimick.
July 29th, 2006 at 10:48 pmThere have been a number of unsubstantiated, ridiculous and highly unethical accusations posted to my open letter to Judd that I feel necessary to address:
1. This letter is not an “attack†as some speculated, not “hate-filled†as others incriminated and not a proof of “Conspiracy Theory†as many panicked.
This letter is motivated by my respect to Judd, his professional qualities and trust in his judgment. Otherwise, I would not have wasted his time reading it (hopefully) and my time writing it.
This letter also serves as an example of unbiased search for truth and how to argue in a free-speech fashion in a democratic society that we (the people of USA) are. We all have a different intellectual background and different life experiences, so I have shared mine with Judd. It is up to him to recognize the value.
I do not have agenda. If you just be patient and exercise attention you might notice I am not very happy with extreme right politics either. In fact, one using enough attention while reading my comments, may have already noticed that, since this subject was touched in my discussions with fellow ThinkProgress members of audience.
I was irritated at times in my comments. But I never did ridicule anyone except in response to offense. Offense in discussions comes in variety of forms and shapes. If this subject (offense in discussions) found worthwhile – I will elaborate. One thing for sure – since I was on the site the level of explicit and offensive profanity on the site has decreased. Do I have anything to do with it? I think not. It is merely an observation.
2. The truly original and authentic message has been posted only at:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/27/armitage-mideast/#comments
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/28/us-lebanon/#comments
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/new-nie/#comments
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/28/manage-calm/#comments
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/28/blair-advice/#comments
followed by my challenge to james riser (who admitted to the usage of other blog names) to continue the argument she/he put forward.
These 5 URLs are the only places on the Internet or any other media where authentic message was posted.
I know for many from the audience (for whatever reason) it would be hard to believe that one may actually be ethical enough not to use variety of names, not to place post on different web-sites and use one’s own thoughts and observations.
I am simply being ethical. That is one of my virtues and I intend to hold-on to it despite all the provocations. Believe me – I did have much harder challenges in my life. Being simply ethical is easy for me.
If it turns out my open letter to Judd makes its’ way to other web sites – I am not doing it; it is out of my control; it simply means someone liked them and found it worthwhile to distribute. For what I am being grateful not because of my deficient self-esteem but rather for my time spent did not go down in vain.
3. I also said that I am a professional software engineer (sorry, leftisnuts, but I am about to substantiate this).
My current project is to reverse-engineer and re-write Microsoft Windows transport communications core, so Windows clients can perform IP based communications in transport neutral fashion as UNIX and LINUX allow to.
Greatly appreciate everyone’s time spent on reading my posts. Thank you.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:47 am#331
Yes they should.
July 31st, 2006 at 11:05 am#330
Not even close.
July 31st, 2006 at 11:07 am