Armitage Fears Bombing Campaign Will ‘End Up Empowering Hezbollah’
Armitage Fears Bombing Campaign Will ‘End Up Empowering Hezbollah’
Richard Armitage dramatically broke ranks with his neoconservative allies yesterday, saying in a radio interview that he feared it was impossible to eliminate Hezbollah through airstrikes, and that by attempting to do so, “you’re going to end up empowering Hezbollah, and perhaps introducing an element into the body politic in Lebanon that will take some great period of time to recover from.” Armitage also criticized the Bush administration for refusing to talk directly to Syria.
According to a database search, no major media outlets have yet printed Armitage’s remarks. Listen:
Armitage was Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Reagan when the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon was bombed in 1983, and served as second-in-command at the State Department under President George W. Bush. In 1998, he signed the Project for a New American Century letter to President Clinton urging regime change in Iraq.
The Bush administration has thus far “giving a tacit blessing” to the escalating Mideast violence. During crisis talks in Rome yesterday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice bucked the “entreaties of nearly all of her European and Arab counterparts” to push for a ceasefire.
Full transcript:
NPR: You were an assistant secretary of defense back in 1982, when a peacekeeping force was sent into Lebanon, a multinational force stationed there but ultimately forced to withdraw. Talk to us about that, and what we might draw from that.
ARMITAGE: It was a very troubled time, actually, and sooner rather than later we became involved — or were seen as taking sides — in someone else’s civil war. And ultimately we lost 241 Naval and Marine personnel.
NPR: In the bombing of the…
ARMITAGE: Yes, in the October ‘83 bombing.
NPR: Are there parallels between that peacekeeping force and now?
ARMITAGE: Well, I remember with stunning clarity one of our Israeli interlocutors sitting in my office, telling me that, “Don’t worry about this peace in Galilee operation. We understand our neighbors very well. We understand them better than anyone. We know all the dynamics of the situation in Lebanon.” And that turned out not quite to be the case.
I suspect that people in government now are also hearing that from Israel. Don’t get me wrong — if I thought that this air campaign would work, and would eliminate Nasrullah and the leadership of Hezbollah, I think it would all be fine. But I fear that you can’t do this from the sky, and that you’re going to end up empowering Hezbollah, and perhaps introducing an element into the body politic in Lebanon that will take some great period of time to recover from.
NPR: An element into the body politic that as yet we do not know?
ARMITAGE: I think we do not know. And we’re not, as far as I’m concerned, using all the levers that we have, such as having the Secretary of State talk to the Syrians. I think they want to get involved. I think they want to become more central to a solution, and you might as well give them the opportunity. If they step up to it, fine. If they don’t, we’ll know them for what they are.
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If Israel was bombing Florida (that would be ironic) or some nearby neighbor, Shrub would understand why most of Europe is calling for a cease fire.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:51 pmwell, i don’t think that what is going on in lebanon is really for us americans to talk about. i mean, israel is our ally, and, we must be with her always.
i think what we should take from the comment by armitage is that our goverment should enlarge the conflict to syria and iran so that we can finally rid ourselves of terrorism and israel can go on with their much more important lives.
thank you.
July 27th, 2006 at 4:53 pmSwiftboating of Armitage to commence in three….two…one….
July 27th, 2006 at 5:00 pmpunchy,
i think it is ‘medal time’ for the dick… what he is essentially doing is setting the groundwork of expansion into syria and iran. more war is good to these guys…
just an idea.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:02 pmRichard Armitage saying in a radio interview that he feared it was impossible to eliminate Hezbollah through airstrikes………well no shit stupid…….don’t remember Viet Nam, eh?
July 27th, 2006 at 5:06 pmIn case you missed the morning link, Bob Herbert writes about “Failure Upon Failure.”
I’ll be in a corner now for a while tearing what’s left of my hair out over my barely seventeen year-old daughter’s engagement to a right winger.
It’s so exciting to be me, these days.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:07 pmBeing engaged to a right-winger should not be as alarming as getting married at 17…
July 27th, 2006 at 5:10 pmhey, j!
thanks for the recent mo post! it was one of her best….
July 27th, 2006 at 5:13 pmyou think he’s going to break her heart when he signs up for duty in Iraq?……………HAHAHAHAHA
July 27th, 2006 at 5:14 pmBeing engaged to a right-winger should not be as alarming as getting married at 17…
Comment by DieNowForPeace
Indeed … being young and in love is great… but in the long run it is dumb.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:17 pmspineless in georgetown: I have bookmarked your blogs. Gives the heart hope to know there are still real Americans out there who can think beyond the Democratic States of America and the Republican States of America. I though that particular breed became extinct in the early 70’s.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:22 pmI hear Swift Boats …
Please drop by and check Agitprop’s Thursday Wingnut Roundup. Teh funny, if I say so myself.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:23 pmThe Australian - News
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/ story/ 0,20867,19936735-601,00.html
July 27th, 2006 at 5:24 pmNeokooks seem to be unravelinmg at the seems and dissent is on the rise.
Precludes one thing, the current admin’s plans are insane or the emporer has no clothes.
Bush’s total war legacy or bust… more likely the later.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:28 pmHey, when I was 17, I was somewhat of a right winger too. I grew out of it gradually during my 20’s and 30’s. But I wasn’t contemplating getting married - I agree that that’s the really scary part.
I heard Armitage yesterday on NPR. He was talking sense, especially when criticizing the Bush administration for only wanting to talk to the people they like. Well, that list seems to be growing shorter and shorter, and they’re going to be left just talking to themselves. I guess that’s just the price you pay when you’re so morally superior to everyone else in the world.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:32 pmIf it brings about the rapture, at least we won’t have to worry about middle east war, oil prices or anything else. I think you missing the “big picture” here.
/sarcasm
July 27th, 2006 at 5:33 pmArmitage is right but he’s not part of the Administrations plan on world war 111 so no one listens. Americans would rather believe Bush say stay the course and watch our troops die or stay in Iraq until they are dead. Americans will send the soldiers to Israel and fight but never will the supports of Bush or the rich have their kids join the military. Next you might have a stupid person like Tony Snow say send the immigrates to fight for the US to get citizens just don’t send the middle class or rich kids anybody else but them. Oh and make sure the Iraq students get in the US for their college education while Americans kids either can’t afford it or parents have to take out a second mortgage to pay. Yet the US Treasury will paid the bill for the Iraq students education per President Bush. Don’t forget to give as much money as possible to Iraq and Afghan don’t hold back Americans don’t mine paying higher taxes when Bush leaves us broke.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:36 pmInteresting, comming from someone who, in a way, is a “sponsor” (PNAC) of all this. And just yesterday i was trying to explain to someone here why, maybe, just maybe, reason could lead to common ground, and that could be the foundation for a better future to the ME.
Perhaps one could think that this is good news.
Peace
July 27th, 2006 at 5:37 pmSpineless, I guess you like seeing $10 billion in US taxes going to aide the agressors for the past 60 years.
Here’s a clue, until the US rewards occupation by Israel, does not treat the Arabs as equals to the Israelis, and does not broker a peace where Israel, Lebanon, and Palestine all have homelands to live in peace, There will continue to be terrorists at the doorstep of America.
Maybe Armitage has concluded the past 60 years of stay the course in the midlle east hasn’t and won’t work.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:38 pmSorry, that is $10 billion a year for 60 years in your tax dollars.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:39 pmBrilliant!!
July 27th, 2006 at 5:42 pmWhat insight and right on target. Pardon the pun.
DieNowForPeace
#1. Wow, what other ‘if’s could you make up? Full menu, please.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:43 pmDavid B
“seeing $10 billion in US taxes going to aide the agressors for the past 60 years.”
“… a year …”
You either do not know what are you talking about or lying with purpose.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:48 pmIt would be nice if there could be a little peace now and then.
Nah.
Keep up the war and the killing, it pays good money.
July 27th, 2006 at 5:52 pmWow Rick, I would suggest seeking psychological help. You need it. maybe some mood stabilizers, some anti-depressents, Lithium for your bipolar disorder. A rabies shot.
once you stop frothing at the mouth, maybe you will actually make sense and be taken seriously.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:07 pmMaybe the Americans should have listened to the arabs when they said not to reward zionist terrorism?
In other words, the Americans should have taken their cues from the nazi europeans and appeased the islamo-fascists. The left is just frustrated that Israel still exists. “Just give it to the islamo-fascists. Then maybe they’ll place nice”.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:23 pmRick
#25 “The europeans can’t hide their anti-semitism anymore. The fascist/communist jew-hatred of yesteryear continues to bubble to the surface.”
Excellent point, right to the roots, BRA-VA. Thank you very much.
Ironically, we (in USA) are talking things and comparing it to Europe like Europe is the same place as the USA is. Most Americans have no clue that Europe actually is not the same place as the USA.
So, why even bother what they say? Let them grow up a bit - they will agree with us.
Besides, we pay taxes so The Administration takes care of our National interests, not the world order or europian opinions.
Don’t we?
July 27th, 2006 at 6:26 pmKrazny
#26.
Wow, very informative, very progressive…
July 27th, 2006 at 6:27 pmGerald Gibson
“Proof? None? Of coarse”
What ‘coarse’ do you need: fine, mild or well done?
July 27th, 2006 at 6:29 pmGerald Gibson
“Maybe the Americans should…”
U-u–u-h, somebody else knows what i should ….
I’m not worthy, I’m not worthy…
July 27th, 2006 at 6:32 pmComment by One Jew
Soooo some punks kick over some jewish grave stones… some neonazis chant old nazi slogans… and some KKK types burn a synagoge…. and all of europe are nazis? Hell have you ever heard the rightwingers go on about jews here in America?
The reality is that the zionists have gotten alot of mileage out of saying ANTI-SEMITE! everytime anyone from Europe, America, or anywhere else demands Israel act like civilized human beings and admit their mistake with how they handled themselves during their terrorist days…. and their more recent settlement days… simple as that.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:32 pmGerald Gibson
#31. How’s your care going?
July 27th, 2006 at 6:34 pm#31. How’s your care going?
Comment by One Jew
I have no clue what you are talking about…
But history is history … you may not like it … but it doesnt care if you dont like it…. that is how truth works… which is where that saying comes from “Sometimes the truth hurts.”
July 27th, 2006 at 6:35 pmGerald Gibson
#34. I am in the USA. Where are you? What country?
Just so I can make an example that you could relate easier to. For your own, per ce, benefit.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:36 pmgerald gibson if you bothered to travel to Europe you would see the hatred that many Europeans have for the Jews, especially in France.
the hatred from the left towards Israel is disgusting. The sad part is that then you whacky liberals turn around and call the right wingers Nazis. sad, truly sad.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:37 pmGerdal gibson, sorry, your revisionist history is not history. Your wishful history is not history. The voices in your head telling you that what you spew is history, is not history.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:39 pm#15
“Hey, when I was 17, I was somewhat of a right winger too. I grew out of it gradually during my 20’s and 30’s.”
After being reprogramed during college?
July 27th, 2006 at 6:39 pm“Keep the Peace. We Don’t Want It.” Starring Condi on the piano and vocals by the Hoff and Mini Hoff!
Be there or… don’t be there.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:39 pm#5; Armitage had a plan to get out of Vietnam- draft deferments.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:40 pmGerdal gibson, sorry, your revisionist history is not history. Your wishful history is not history. The voices in your head telling you that what you spew is history, is not history.
Comment by leftisnuts
I didnt revise anything .. I read it out of old british newspapers…
July 27th, 2006 at 6:41 pmgerald gibson if you bothered to travel to Europe you would see the hatred that many Europeans have for the Jews, especially in France.
the hatred from the left towards Israel is disgusting. The sad part is that then you whacky liberals turn around and call the right wingers Nazis. sad, truly sad.
Comment by leftisnuts
You know why I dont believe you about France? Even though I have never been there?
Because you say that anyone in America that points out the obvious historical time line is a communist… if you were more truthful and honest I might believe you.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:42 pmDavid B, Israel the agressor for the past 60 years? oh man you liberals are something else!!!
Where do you kids learn your history? I guess you were never taught in school how after a United Nations resolution created Israel and after 1948 Israel was created and the last british soldier left Israel, all the Arab natiosn without provocation from Israel attacked it.
Israel did NOTHING in 1948 to be attacked, in fact it was the Arab nations who were the agressors and Israel defended itself.
Please learn some history before you sound so uneducated.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:43 pmGiven your condescending tone, and obvious sociopathic tendencies One Jew. I doubt that anything you say will be beneficial. We can go on ad nasuem about the stituation between the Isreali’s and Palestinians. However both sides are to blame for the current violence. In this type of war, both factions get covered in mud. Hamas and Hezbollah, don’t care who they kill. And any Isreali response plays into their hands. How many more Lebonese will sign up with Hezbollah, now that Isreal is bombing their country? The Lebonese and Palestinian governments, share equal blame for being unable to maintain control. Allowing these groups to operate outside of government restrictions.
The west got over the Fuedal/Tribal societies long ago. the middle east has not.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:45 pmFrance, Germany, Austria, etc have a huge, huge anti-semtic problem. I don’t care if you believe it or not Gerald Gibson, the truth is the truth. You can cover your eyes and blind yourself to it, but the truth is the truth.
Europe is full of anti-semites, just like the left in America.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:45 pmDavid B, Israel the agressor for the past 60 years? oh man you liberals are something else!!!
Where do you kids learn your history?
Theleftisnuts, by definition, most of the left is weak-minded, irrational, and easily indoctrinated. So when some fascist, socialist academic lies to them, they willingly accept it.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:49 pmSo Krazny what do you suggest that it is done, more talks and talks and talks. Every single diplomat in the world has been talking their heads of since the day that the United Nations created Israel in the Middle East and what good has it done.
Obviously diplomacy hasn’t worked.
Israel for the past 6 years has been following the “Land for Peace” ideology and it hasn’t worked, why?
becuase what Hezzbollah and Hamas want is not just land, they want to kill all the Jews in the world and they want the complete and utter destruction of Israel, so pleases do tell us all how you work out a permanent, not a temporary diplomatic solution.
You might get hezzbollah and hamas to stop fighting for a few years so that they can replenish their ranks and weapons, but i can assure you that this will happen again.
we need a permanent solution, not band aids.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:49 pmIsrael did NOTHING in 1948 to be attacked, in fact it was the Arab nations who were the agressors and Israel defended itself.
Please learn some history before you sound so uneducated.
Comment by leftisnuts
This is a lie. They were bombing and killing people for years before that. Just like you dont want to reward terrorism now .. it should not have been rewarded then.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:50 pmRick, tell me about it. honestly, I don’t know where the left learns its history.
Gerald Gibson you are only telling one side of the story with the whole Israelis bombing British soldiers, the Arabs, the Palestinians were doing it too.
Israel was not born out of terrorism, IT WAS BORN OUT OF A UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION. please open up a book and get an education.
and you keep on using the term Zionist, your true racist colors show through and through. I truly pity people like you.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:51 pmFrance, Germany, Austria, etc have a huge, huge anti-semtic problem. I don’t care if you believe it or not Gerald Gibson, the truth is the truth. You can cover your eyes and blind yourself to it, but the truth is the truth.
Europe is full of anti-semites, just like the left in America.
Comment by leftisnuts
I pointed out the few antiJew things I know about… if you know so much about it why not list them? I read Israeli news so I assume they would mention it if it happened… but provide some links … otherwise you are just a liar.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:53 pmAND in criticizing Israel for their misdeeds, does NOT make one an antisemitic.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:53 pmleftnuts - what do you call the israeli refuseniks??????
July 27th, 2006 at 6:54 pmREAD THE ARAB AWAKENING FOR THE TRUTH! It is still available through Amazon.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:55 pmGerald Gibson just because you want it to be a lie, it doesn’t make it a lie.
I am sorry that you are so blind and that you have so much hate for the Jews that you can’t see the truth.
Israel was born out of a United Nations resolution, not out of terrorism. Stop spewing so much venom against Israel.
I can guarantee you that your hate for Israel is not going to get israel to be taken out of the Middle East. it is there to stay.
and madashell, sorry all the Jews in Israel today can probably trace their ancestry all the way back to Roman times and before.
you and Gerald Gibson seem to be contradicting each other. You claim that there were no Jews and that the Jews pushed the Palestinians out of the way.
sorry kid, that area was conquered by the Turks since the 1300s until about WWI. If you really want to get picky, that area belongs to the Turks, right?
let us not forget that it was the Romans that created the Great Diaspora of the Jews, but as Gerald Gibson has said, (about the only thing he has gotten right) is that Jews were in what today is israel long before the STate of Israel was created by a United Nations resolution.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:57 pmIf you trolls could perhaps post some cites where we lefties could “learn” where your anti-Europe rhetoric comes from that would be most helpful. I mean, if ALL of Europe are anti-semites as you write, there must be something out there to prove this.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:58 pm#19
Land for peace has worked since Israel was created. The objective of the terrorists isn’t to reclaim Arab land and end occupation. You are right trying to appease the terrorists with land deals hasn’t worked for the last 60 years.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:59 pmHonestly I don’t know. the best solution would of course be for hamas and Hezbollah to accept the existance of the state of Isreal and strive to re-build their countries. the constant warfare in Palestine, has destroyed any sort of standard of living. And Lebenon appears to be next.
Alot of this comes down to control of radical fringe groups. One thing I don’t understand, is why the Lebonese and Isreali governments, are not working together to eliminate Hezbollah. I can assure if a radical fringe group was shooting rockets over the Canadian border, the US and Canadian governments would put a stop to it PDQ.
Gerald I woulnd’t bother with Rick. He is looking to make somone angry. His posts are designed to inflame and anger. He is what I call a “turd”. Do you self a favor and ignore his mad rantings.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:01 pmThis is what Charles Mann (National Geographic) has to say about Israel in the bood Material World:
Born in in fire after the Second World War, modern Israel has spent almost all of its existence in turmoil. Its creation as a homeland for Jews outraged Arabs in neighboring nations, who felt that the new state had been imposed on them by OUTSIDERS. Amid undiminshed animosity, brief wars flared in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973; there have also been innumerable raids, sorties, and bombing runs. Aided by WESTERN powers, Israel prevailed in all major conflicts, SEIZING ARAB TERRITORY in 1967 and 1973.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:03 pmEUROPES “GUILT” GARBAGE
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WHEN AND WHERE did this war begin? Shortly after 9 a.m. local time on Wednesday, July 12, when Hezbollah militants seized Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev — Israeli reservists on the last day of their tour of duty — in a cross-border raid into northern Israel? Friday, June 9, when Israeli shells killed at least seven Palestinian civilians on a beach in the Gaza Strip? In January, when Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections in a backhanded triumph for an American policy of supporting democratization? In 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon? In 1979, with the Islamic revolution in Iran? In 1948, with the creation of the state of Israel? Or how about Russia in the spring of 1881?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:04 pmjules, the proof is everytime some socialist european opens his/her mouth. The proof is the UN resolutions against Israel, automagically supported by the Europeans. The proof is the historical fascist/communist killing of jews in Europe. The proof are the demonstrations in Europe against Israel, but where are the demonstrations against Hezbollah.
It’s ok Jules, we know you Americans leftists are blind when it comes to your european thought leaders motivations.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:04 pmI wish that everytime somebody even remotely brought up the slightest bit of critisim towards secularism I could claim that that person just being a hateful anti-secularite.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:05 pmISRAEL CREATED BOTH HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS!
July 27th, 2006 at 7:05 pmkranzy,
How do you negotiate with a terrorist group that wants your complete and utter destruction and the mass murdering of all your people?
I believe that the reason that Lebanon is not working harder to get rid of Hezzbollah is for a couple of reasons.
1) It doesn’t have the power to do so.
2) If it tried, Syria and Iran would occupy it. Remember Lebanon was occupied by Syria for over 20 years. You can bet your behind that Syria still has a lot of influence in lebanon.
3) Syria and Iran are supporting hezzbollah militarily. Lebanon has never had a real army to speak of.
I would agree that Lebanon is caught in the middle of a fight between hezzbollah, syria, and iran vs. Israel.
but once again, what is Israel to do, stand by and watch hezzbollah grow to a point that will cause a much greater damage later on?
You liberals really need to know that we conservatives don’t like war, but we understand that sometimes wars must be fought, yes even offensive wars.
also remember that it is hezzbollah who hides amongst civilians, who hides their weapons in mosques, in civilian buildings. What is Israel to do?
diplomacy hasn’t worked for the past 60 years, that is obvious, so i think what is happening now is the best solution.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:06 pmSorry Rick - does not cut it. You, like your supreme leader, are expecting us to take your word for your statements without any proof. Too many lies have required we have proof.
I do not make assertions without proof unless I clarify that it is my opinion.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:07 pmhere is some proof of anti-semitism in Europe….
“Invoking a scene from the film Schindler’s List, one of Norway’s largest newspapers recently published a political cartoon comparing Prime Minster Ehud Olmert to the infamous commander of a Nazi death camp who indiscriminately murdered Jews by firing at them at random from his balcony.
The caricature by political cartoonist Finn Graff appeared on July 10 in the Oslo daily Dagbladet.”
July 27th, 2006 at 7:08 pmOMG - this is the funniest thing I have read in days:
“You liberals really need to know that we conservatives don’t like war, but we understand that sometimes wars must be fought, yes even offensive wars.”
Yeah…like Iraq? Idiot!!
July 27th, 2006 at 7:09 pmwhy don’t the Jewish peoples move here to the U.S., there is bound to be less angry people that want to kill them here than in Israel. Hell, nobody in this country has tried to exterminate the mormons. U.S. is just as holy as any other place on earth.. Our money even says “in God we trust” on it!!
July 27th, 2006 at 7:09 pmhoo wee… it’s like troll stew in here…
July 27th, 2006 at 7:10 pmpretty think, and deep… need boots…
jules, oh please Democrats do that all the time….”just believe us, we care about you.”
your beloved party leaders want Americans to believe them just because they say so. Amazing how no Democrat complain when Clinton or others said, trust me.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:10 pm#70 - you are basing your entire arguement on one cartoon from one newspaper? *sigh*
July 27th, 2006 at 7:10 pmThe conservative belief seems to be that white peoples lives are worth more than brown peoples.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:10 pmWell, madashell, krazny, katy and Gerald, you have this well in hand. It is troll lite tonight. There isn’t even one good arguemnt from these trolls.
Have a blessed evening (plagerism at its best…thanks Sharon) and be safe.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:12 pmfirst off, I am not defending Hezbollah, or hamas. Please read the tone of my posts. They are terrorist organizations who kill the innocent.
I am curious about the connections between Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah. I have heard them mentioned, but have seen very little proof of a connection. I am not saying it isn’t happening. I would like to read up on the situation.
Frankly if Isreal offered to help the lebonese government there is not much the Syrians could do. The Syrians in 67 I believe charged across the border with a tank force that would have made Hitler jelous and got their collected asses handed to them.
Realistically there hasn’t been 60 years of diplomacy. the region has flucuated between all out war and and occasional skirmishes. I would have to have a comprehensive list of what has been tried before coming up with a plan. This is all contigent however on the Palestians taking back their country and throwing out Hamas.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:13 pmLand for peace has worked since Israel was created. The objective of the terrorists isn’t to reclaim Arab land and end occupation. You are right trying to appease the terrorists with land deals hasn’t worked for the last 60 years.
Comment by Tracy
If zionists took texas and florida and gave back just texas would you accept that? NOPE … NO ONE WOULD… and arabs are people just like you.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:17 pmGerald Gibson, get a clue…
Arabs have owned more slaves in the history of humanity than any other race on the face of planet Earth.
once again, you are coming unhinged and you prove your complete and utter ignorance.
admitted it, you are a racist and you hate Jews.
and so what the Israelis call themselves Zionists. Black people in America call themselves the “n” word, but what happens if a white, latino, asian, etc person uses the “n” word against a black person? they are considered, and rightly so, racists.
Anyone outside of the Israelis that calls them Zionists is a racist. You know you are a racist, just admitted and move on.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:17 pm#60
Not “proof” but….
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3234264.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ farright/ story/ 0,11981,1092466,00.html
Remember it’s only been about 60 years since Hilter gave a new meaning to the term anti-semitism. Europe is where the term came from.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:18 pm#73, forget the boots, it’s too deep for that, break out the hip waders.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:19 pm#81
Should Isreal just dissolve as a state? Who really has a RIGHT to the land which is presently called Isreal?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:21 pm“Invoking a scene from the film Schindler’s List, one of Norway’s largest newspapers recently published a political cartoon comparing Prime Minster Ehud Olmert to the infamous commander of a Nazi death camp who indiscriminately murdered Jews by firing at them at random from his balcony.
The caricature by political cartoonist Finn Graff appeared on July 10 in the Oslo daily Dagbladet.â€
Comment by leftisnuts
Though in bad taste that is NOT anti-semitism … Anti-semitism would be if they made Olmert look like a monkey like the nazis did… they tried to make the jews look like nonhumans…. the Europeans are ANTI-Israeli aggression… totally different from anti-Jew
July 27th, 2006 at 7:21 pmKranzy, I don’t agree with you, but you seem to be sane. (i am not being condescending, don’t take it this way).
Listen, Israel was put there by the United Nations, correct? why? Because many Europeans and the United States felt it was the world’s duties to make up for what the Nazi’s had done to them. Also because historically this land belonged to the Jews. Even though the Roman Diaspora happened not all Jews left that area. Jews have been in what today is Israel for centuries, for millenia.
Also, diplomacy has been tried. ex-President Clinton tried it, correct? and what happened, Yaser Arafat could not accept the deal that he was getting from israel. Israel was offering to Yaser Arafat 98% of the land he was asking for and Yaser Arafat backed out. why?
because once again it is not about land, but about the destruction of the State of Israel.
Diplomacy has been tried on and off in the Middle East and it has never worked.
I will agree that Israel is considered the regional super power in that area and the Arabs know this.
Still though, I would urge you to do your own research and you will find that Iran and Syria are supporting militarily and with personnel Hezzbollah.
I mean think about it, who do you think gave Hezzbollah the missle that hit the Israeli navy ship? You can be sure that Hezzbollah didn’t create it.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:23 pmYeah, the left is nuts:
Under the right wing administration:
1) Biggest terrorist attack on US soil (9/11)
2) Patriot Act: undermining civil rights and freedoms
3) Cutting taxes for rich people and asking more for students and working class
4) Disastrous foreign policy
5) People´s approval of presidency at its lowest
6) 2600 american soldiers dead, hundreds of injured and thousand of civilians dead.
7) No trace of Osama Bin Laden
8) Civil war in Iraq, bombings every day.
9) Taliban not in its last throes
10) NO WMDS
11) Backing Israel at the bombing of civilians, bridges and power plants for 2 abducted soldiers.
12) GWB´s formidable illiteracy and ignorance
13) Biggest terrorist attack on US soil (9/11)
Again, the left must be nuts.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:25 pmjules, you are one condescending uneducated liberal. try to get an education before you make pathetic and ridiculous comments.
you spew left wing propaganda and you believe that you are original. I am embarrassed for you and your family.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:25 pmAnyone outside of the Israelis that calls them Zionists is a racist. You know you are a racist, just admitted and move on.
Comment by leftisnuts
You just made that up… I have NEVER seen that anywhere and have been reading on this subject for a long time… you lost your argument and are now making stuff up.
Once again you try justifying American slavery by saying the arabs did it to? So if some space alien some where drinks baby blood Americans can do that also? What universe are you from? Twilight Zone?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:26 pmRemember it’s only been about 60 years since Hilter gave a new meaning to the term anti-semitism. Europe is where the term came from.
Comment by Tracy
I am not arguing that there was no Jew hating in europe in the past… there have been a few different holocausts …. not just the nazi one… but after all those millions of racist people died dont you think that maybe there is less racism there now? Maybe not… I just have never seen any proof that the KKK is alive and well in Europe … as usuall prove it and I will join you in calling out European KKK types also …. but I have been reading on this and have not seen any proof of it.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:29 pmShould Isreal just dissolve as a state? Who really has a RIGHT to the land which is presently called Isreal?
Comment by Tracy
If this was 1950 or 1955 then ya I would say disolve it… but it is too late now.. alot of people in Israel are NOT zionists and were born there and know themselves as Israelis… it is too late for that now… Israel just needs to stop calling everyone anti-semites and give back the land post 1948 and then go to the UN for a treaty with the arabs… if the arabs still refuse after Israel has shown COMPLETE good faith then I say bomb the arabs until they look like the germans 1945… but until a GOOD FAITH effort is attempted… and not just 98% … then they have no right pretending like the arabs have no arguement for justice.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:31 pmJuan C, sorry kid, you couldn’t be more wrong because it is impossible.
1) There have been less terrorist attacks on American interests since President Bush took office.
2) 9/11 happened only 8 months after Bush took office, but 96 months after clinton took office. You tell me who had more time to get Osama. Furthermore, you liberals seem to forget that the first WTC bombing happened in 1993 under President Clinton. How do you explain that?
3) Under Clinton Osama Bin Laden said that the USA was like a paper tiger. Under Bush he is hiding under a rock terrified to come out of hiding. Under Clinton Osama was giving major interviews to news channels like ABC.
4) Under Clinton Osama and Al Qaeda carried out over 4 major terrorist attacks on American soil or interests abroad. What did Clinton do to get rid of Al Qaeda and Osama.
5) If you believe Bush is ignorant and illiterate than what do you call all those Democrats that believed him and voted for the war in Iraq.
6) It is well known that Bush received better grades in college than John kerry, so what does that make John kerry.
7) Our enemies fear us and know that messing with us is going to cost them deeply.
You liberals really need to get out more and stop spewing left wing talking points, they get old and are pure and utter lies.
Remember, there was a history before January of 2001, most of you liberals don’t know that.
Tell us all, what did the Democrats do to make America a better place under Clinton, in fact, Democrats controlled Congress from about the end of WWII until Clinton’s first term in office, what did the Democrats do to make our education better, our foreign policy better, our tax system better, social security better, etc, etc, etc.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:33 pm#80
“You can label the left all you want but the left are not little wussies that go and cry to mommy about it like the right is…”
The left CONSTANTLY cries about a land DISPUTE that goes back thousands of years. Even if the Zionists atoned for their sins by helping the Palestinians create their own state (the Palestinian’s are racked with sin as well), it wouldn’t make a bit of difference to Hamas and Hezbollah. The current Jihad movement makes the Zionists look like saints.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:33 pmnah… no anti-semitism in repugnican land, ’specially taxas:
Deputy Leader Dick’s hunting buddies.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:34 pmhilarious video
1) There have been less terrorist attacks on American interests since President Bush took office.
Comment by leftisnuts
2500+Americans are not American interest?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:35 pmjustifying American slavery? what the heck?
and just so you know, it was Democrats who fought during the Civil War to keep slavery alive. Remember, or more like let me teach you, Lincoln was a REpublican, the Democrats ruled the South and they wanted slavery.
it was also Democrats who filibustered the 1960s Civil Rights Act, Al Gore’s dad and Senator KKK Byrd lead the way in filibustering this Act. It was thanks to the Republicans siding with Lyndon B. Johnson that the Civil Rights Act was passed, but don’t let history get on the way of you making up lies.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:36 pmGerald Gisbson, you moron, that is called a war!!
would you consider the 250,000 Americans that died in WWII to have been killed through terrorist acts by the nazis?
get a clue and an education while you are it.
and remember, your best is my worst, I am just getting warmed up.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:37 pmwould you consider the 250,000 Americans that died in WWII to have been killed through terrorist acts by the nazis?
get a clue and an education while you are it.
and remember, your best is my worst, I am just getting warmed up.
Comment by leftisnuts
Bush calls it terrorism … you hate bush now?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:42 pmmore proof of anti-semitism in Europe….
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/000926.htm
Warnings On European Antisemitism
July 27th, 2006 at 7:43 pmAt a conference in Vienna, Austria, former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani urged European officials to do more to combat the growth of Antisemitism across Europe. According to data published by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, attacks on Jews in Europe are at their highest levels since World War II.
I wish this guy was still in the Bush administration. Wait…nobody listened to him when he was thre. Oh well…
He’s finally giving some real common sense analysis of this whole situation. Of course Hezbollah will be strengthened by the Israeli aggression. It’s already getting hundreds of new recruits flocking to it. It’ll be Iraq all over again.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
July 27th, 2006 at 7:43 pmThe Lebanese civilian death toll reaches 600
And
The right-wing attacks the UN yet again, saying that they are sheltering Hezbollah and lied about the deliberate Israeli attack on a Un post. But those right-wingers are the real liars.
Only on SSA Blog
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
really, Bush calls it terrorism? wow, really….so he doesn’t call it the Iraq War, eh?
stop spewing your lies kid. you know you hate jews, you know you lack education, etc, etc.
plus IF Bush calls it terrorism he is wrong, plain and simple. I am not a robot like you kid. I don’t blindly follow like you do.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:44 pmmore proof of anti-semitism in Europe….
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/000926.htm
Warnings On European Antisemitism
At a conference in Vienna, Austria, former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani urged European officials to do more to combat the growth of Antisemitism across Europe. According to data published by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, attacks on Jews in Europe are at their highest levels since World War II.
Comment by leftisnuts —
Well I read it expecting to find something useful… either it is all BS (because they provided ZERO information to base their claims on… is it one more attack per 10 years? per week?) OR it could be true but since the EU doesnt keep statistics we cant really tell…
got something with some real numbers in it? or maybe a list of all the attacks? I already listed vandalism against graves… and that is all that was mentioned in that article… can you provide more?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:48 pmLCLiberal, put down the kool aid and try to read the original e-mail. wow, some of you are way to far gone to be helped.
If you hate Israel so much go over to Hezzbollah and help them defeat Israel, ok? other wise shut up you are spewing propaganda and it is beyond sad.
Today’s New York Sun reports what the Times doesn’t.
“An apparent discrepancy in the portrayal of events surrounding the deaths of four unarmed U.N. observers in Lebanon threatens to unravel Secretary-General Annan’s initial accusation that Israel “deliberately” targeted the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon.
“A Canadian U.N. observer, one of four killed at a UNIFIL position near the southern Lebanese town of Khiyam on Tuesday, sent an e-mail to his former commander, a Canadian retired major-general, Lewis MacKenzie, in which he wrote that Hezbollah fighters were ‘all over’ the U.N. position, Mr. MacKenzie said. Hezbollah troops, not the United Nations, were Israel’s target, the deceased observer wrote.
“A senior U.N. peacekeeping operation official who briefed the press yesterday, however, said that on the day the deaths occurred, the only ‘known Hezbollah activity was 5 kilometers away.’ The official’s briefing was conditioned on anonymity, but the undersecretary-general for peacekeeping operations, Jane Holl Lute, supplied the Security Council with similar information at an earlier briefing yesterday.â€
July 27th, 2006 at 7:48 pmComment by leftisnuts
You are losing your argument and getting boring… you are now down to calling me a kid (32) , uneducated (I am a software engineer), and a racist…. well how can I prove that I am not? Maybe all the anti-racist stuff I post on here? But as I said you are losing your argument … it is sinking fast … better find some actual links/facts or else you are going to drown in your Rush Limbaugh talking points.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:50 pmIt was widely believed that Armitage is the official who first told columnist Robert Novak of Valerie Plame’s involvement in Joe Wilson’s trip to Niger. I find it interesting that his words are being treated with such reverance here.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:50 pmPhew, this thread really brought out the trolls!
July 27th, 2006 at 7:51 pmI find the whole anti-Semitism thing really strange. Why is it that the conservatives are suddenly so solicitous of the feeliings of the Jewish people? Where were they in say, 1933?
I know, it’s all in favor of SELLING ARMS. Israel is the US’s best customer.
Slightly off topic, I had my own very first brush with anti-Semitism this past week, out of the country - it was annoying but certainly not something I would feel worth going to war over!
#92
“If this was 1950 or 1955 then ya I would say disolve it.”
Why? Give it to who? Why is the land situation set up in 1948 by the stupid British government gospel to you?
“…and give back the land post 1948 and then go to the UN for a treaty with the arabs”
AGAIN this wouldn’t make ANY difference to Hamas or Hezbollah. These two groups don’t want land, they want to exterminate the Jews just like Hilter did.
“…COMPLETE good faith”
And just when are the Arabs going to show the same “good faith” by calling for and implimenting the disbanding of Hamas and Hezbollah?
July 27th, 2006 at 7:52 pmIt was widely believed that Armitage is the official who first told columnist Robert Novak of Valerie Plame’s involvement in Joe Wilson’s trip to Niger. I find it interesting that his words are being treated with such reverance here.
Comment by exley
Never once heard that, but it would not speak much to his character if that was true…
July 27th, 2006 at 7:52 pmGerald Gibson,
well Lincoln certainly believed in putting reporters in jail for printing military secrets. he also believed in disbanning Habeas Corpus during times of war. he also believed that fighting a war to achieve a goal was better than appeasing the South, right? sounds a lot like President Bush’s actions, don’t you think? I would also urge you to look into how FDR and Harry Truman, both Democrats violated the Geneva Convention, stepped on the civil rights of Americans during a time of war, created a special department in the government to control what the media said while the coutnry was at war, etc, etc, etc…in fact they took many actions very similar or equal to what President Bush is doing today. yet, these are heros of the left…hmmm….
and so what the South is Red now. We are speaking of the Democrats who fought for Slavery and about Democrats who are now senior members of the USA Congress who fought hard to not get the Civil Rights Act passed.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:53 pm#96
Plotted and executed attacks. Give us a break!
July 27th, 2006 at 7:53 pmWhy? Give it to who? Why is the land situation set up in 1948 by the stupid British government gospel to you?
Comment by Tracy
Because the arabs were there for the past 1000 years before that and suffered through the crusades to maintain it… so I guess they earned it and time has a way of making things permenant…
AGAIN this wouldn’t make ANY difference to Hamas or Hezbollah. These two groups don’t want land, they want to exterminate the Jews just like Hilter did.
Comment by Tracy
Have any proof of this? Even Hamas says they would be happy if Israel moved to Germany…. I dont think they would go up to Germany to kill them… BUT since they have no problem bombing women and children lets say that it is true… well like I said IF Israel made themselves on the right side of morality they would not need to fight the arabs … America could justify bombing the arabs until there were none anymore…. or until unconditional surrender… I say give the arabs a chance to prove that they want peace… not keep giving them reason to think we do not want peace ourselves.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:57 pmsoftware engineer? you are funny Gerald Gibson, just because you play with video games it doesn’t make you a software engineer.
as i told you, your best is my worst. You lost your argument the day you were born. It is fun to see left wing nutjobs like you become unhinged and it is very sad to see their hatred for anyone that they disagree with and more importantly for the Jews.
i truly pity individuals like you. Your Al Franken, Michael Moore, Kerry, Clinton, Pelosi, Boxer, Murtha, etc talking points are not only old and uneducated, but patheticly stupid.
but by all means, continue to post and amuse me. it is fun to see Liberals spew so much venom and lies.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:57 pmFormer Washington Post editor Ben Bradlee claims that Richard Armitage, Colin Powell’s former deputy, was the original source of the Plame leak.
In the latest issue of VANITY FAIR: “Woodward was in a tricky position. People close to him believe that he had learned about Plame from his friend Richard Armitage, Colin Powell’s former deputy, who has been known to be critical of the administration and who has a blunt way of speaking. ‘That Armitage is the likely source is a fair assumption,’ former WASHINGTON POST editor Ben Bradlee said.”
July 27th, 2006 at 7:59 pm‘I had heard about an e-mail that was sent that had a lot of unprintable language in it.’”
“…COMPLETE good faithâ€
And just when are the Arabs going to show the same “good faith†by calling for and implimenting the disbanding of Hamas and Hezbollah?
Comment by Tracy
Hopefully right after Israel stops giving them a reason to have a Hamas or Hezbollah to resist against the zionist land grab? They have been fighting ever since that zionists terrorism started… so give them a chance… and if AFTER in GOOD FAITH we do the right thing (Israel does the right thing actually) and they STILL only want to keep killing people …. well then they are just like nazis… wipe em out… no tit for tat … wipe them out and get the peace in the ME going.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:59 pmMagazine: Bradlee Knows Woodward’s Source on Plame
By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 14, 2006; Page A02
Vanity Fair is reporting that former Washington Post executive editor Ben Bradlee says it is reasonable to assume former State Department official Richard L. Armitage is likely the source who revealed CIA operative Valerie Plame’s name to Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward.
In an article to be published in the magazine today, Bradlee is quoted as saying: “That Armitage is the likely source is a fair assumption.” Armitage was deputy secretary of state in President Bush’s first term.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:00 pm#
and you keep on using the term Zionist, your true racist colors show through and through. I truly pity people like you.
Comment by leftisnuts — July 27, 2006 @ 6:51 pm
Before you critize people for using the term “Zionist,” perhaps you should know what it means? For your education:
Zionism is a political movement and ideology that supports a homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, where the Jewish nation originated over 3,200 years ago and where Jewish kingdoms and self-governing states existed up to the 2nd century. While Zionism is based in part upon religious tradition linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, the modern movement was originally secular, beginning largely as a response to rampant antisemitism in Europe and in many parts of the Muslim world during the 19th Century. After a number of advances and setbacks, and after the Holocaust had destroyed much of the existing Jewish society in Europe, the Zionist movement culminated in the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948.
Since the founding of the State of Israel, the term Zionism is generally considered to mean support for Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
July 27th, 2006 at 8:00 pmGerald Gibson, and you continue to spew your lies and half-truths.
In the Hamas chatter, as well as in the Hezzbollah chatter it clearly says that their whole purpose of existance is to destroy the “Zionist State” and to kill all the Jews.
and once again, moron, the Turks were in the Middle East long before today’s Arabs and the Israelis were in the Middle East millenias before anyone else. If time has a thing for making land permanent than Israel IS the rightful owner of that land since they spent centuries there before the Roman Diaspora and after this too.
and sorry kid, the Arabs were not saints when it came to the Crusades. You seem to completly and conviniently not talk about what the Moros did in Europe. Arabs are far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far from being the victims you love potraying them as.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:01 pmwell Lincoln certainly believed in putting reporters in jail for printing military secrets. he also believed in disbanning Habeas Corpus during times of war.
Those things were terrible, but in a civil war… well all morallity is out the window now isnt it? The civil war should have been avoided by going more slowly if possible … but then again civil war is pretty much evil brother vs brother cane/able though isnt it…
he also believed that fighting a war to achieve a goal was better than appeasing the South, right?
NO that is not what he wrote in his own hand writing… what he said was that the south were not obeying the law by constantly having lynchings and other violations of law. He didnt say anything about appeasement… he only said that the law must be followed and that the USA must be maintained… this I agree with … which is why I have lots of problems with NeoCon lawlessness.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:02 pmI think i recall someone saying upstream that Armitage did not serve in Vietnam. That is incorrect. this is who should have replaced Powell, not Rice. I probably disagree with Amitage on many things but I admire him and he is a realist… let’s not be like the right wing nuts and disparage anyone’s military service….
Armitage graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1967. Upon graduation, he joined the United States Navy, initially holding the rank of ensign. He served on a destroyer stationed in Vietnam during the Vietnam War and volunteered to serve as an advisor to the Vietnamese riverine (”brown water”) naval forces. In 1973, Armitage left active duty and joined the office of the U.S. Defense Attache in Saigon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage
July 27th, 2006 at 8:03 pmGerald Gibson, you are one perfect idiot.
Israel has shown good faith for the past 6 years. You must have been locked in your cage when Israel literally forced its own people from the Gaza settlements. For six years Israel has been giving up land to the Palestinians, and it hasn’t been enough for Hamas or Hezzbollah.
Hamas and Hezzbollah are NOT armies, they are terrorist organizations who exist for one purpose alone, to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. It is written in their chatter.
I would have thought that since you claim to be so well educated and so well read you would have known abou this. So much for having faith in a liberal whacko being educated.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:04 pmYou are dead right about FDR etc… the democrats have done many bad things as well.. you seem to mistake the LEFT for DEMOCRATS… too much RUSH? If the democrats get in and act the same way come back to this website … it will be bashing the democrats as well… if not then I wont be here…
and so what the South is Red now. We are speaking of the Democrats who fought for Slavery and about Democrats who are now senior members of the USA Congress who fought hard to not get the Civil Rights Act passed.
Comment by leftisnuts
The REPUBLICANS AND THE DEMOCRATS were fighting civil rights …. from the SOUTH… it was a mostly SOUTH thing…. and now the SOUTH is REPUBLICAN/NEOCON…. and dont tell me that the SOUTH isnt like that anymore… we up here in the north have family in the south still and they talk frankly at family reunions…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:05 pm#99
“It does NOT go back very far… there was no such dispute in 1800,1700,1600,1500,1400,1300,1200,1100,1000 AD …”
The Jews were dispersed all over the world in those years.
“IF the Israelis gave a 100% good faith effort and Hamas and Hezbollah kept attacking then you would have MOST people on your side saying kill them all.”
No you wouldn’t because most of the Palestinians support Hamas! They elected them. Who is this “most people”?
“but you are NOT on solid moral ground so people like myself cannot support you”
You are not on solid moral ground either….so do even.
“…yet Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are still sitting there untouched”
Are you ignorantly suggesting those two governments helped plot and carry out 9/11? Do you think it would be wise to invade Saudi Arabia and “roll” into Mecca? Are you insane? The hijackers might have been Saudis but that doesn’t mean the government backed their plot.
“…you guys dont have the guts to do a WWII and you dont have the morality to demand that Israel do the right thing … so WHAT are you good for?”
Do a WWII? What do you mean by that? If you knew ANYTHING about the ideology of Hamas and Hezbollah you would understand the it doesn’t matter if Isreal gave back ALL of the land it siezed in 1967.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:05 pmTHIS: “…editor Ben Bradlee claims that Richard Armitage…”
DOES NOT MEAN THIS: ‘That Armitage is the likely source is a fair assumption,’ former WASHINGTON POST editor Ben Bradlee said.†‘I had heard about an e-mail that was sent that had a lot of unprintable language in it.’â€
not even a “nice try”…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:07 pmsoftware engineer? you are funny Gerald Gibson, just because you play with video games it doesn’t make you a software engineer.
as i told you, your best is my worst. You lost your argument the day you were born. It is fun to see left wing nutjobs like you become unhinged and it is very sad to see their hatred for anyone that they disagree with and more importantly for the Jews.
i truly pity individuals like you. Your Al Franken, Michael Moore, Kerry, Clinton, Pelosi, Boxer, Murtha, etc talking points are not only old and uneducated, but patheticly stupid.
but by all means, continue to post and amuse me. it is fun to see Liberals spew so much venom and lies.
Comment by leftisnuts
I will assume you are done now… I am not going to get into an argument about me… if you want to find out what I do for a living there is always google…
Next NeoCon racist American hater want to debase themselves?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:08 pmLeftisnuts #68, Were the four UN observers killed by the US smart bomb fired by the Israelis after a third party warning hiding amoung the Lebanese civilians as well?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:08 pmAnd once this hits the mainstream media - if it ever does - how long do you think before Armitage is vilified and denigrated for speaking out?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:08 pmWhen the bastards can’t defend their position, they send out the sharks to eat up the naysayers.
If you underestimate the power of the sharks and the rightwingers in the media, look at how many now think there were WMDs found in Iraq?
I see we’ve got some knuckle draggin’ droolers here…. probably the same ass clowns that called Zinni a traitor and an anti Semite…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:08 pmThe Left and the Right are both nuts, there’s got to be some other direction.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:10 pmComment by exley
Looks like Armitage is an 11th hour “oops” person to me… you seem to show he doesnt have much in the way of righteousness to be trashing bush…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:10 pmGerald Gibson…
sorry guy, Lincoln preferred going to war to maintain the Union than to appease the South and let them secede. THIS is history, not your half-ass revisionist history.
and Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and he jailed reporters for reporting North military secrets. Two things President Bush hasn’t done. yet, they were right.
Now FDR, well, he violated the Geneva Convention. He also didn’t allow trials for POWs until the end of WWII, imagine that. FDR didn’t allow many German, Japanes, etc POWs to be seen by the Red Cross, to allow them to tell their families in their respective countries that they were alive, etc, etc. all this in violation of the Geneva Convention….imagine that. And the left holds FDR is such an honorable place.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:10 pmFDR ordered that all outgoing mail from the United STates to foreign countries be opened and read, holy cow, no way! FDR did this? Yeap. Still, Democrats love him and hold him in such high and immense regards. So tell me, why is it ok with Democrats and Liberals that FDR did this, but Bush has taken very similar actions also during a time of war and the left is going nuts about it?
#117
“Hopefully right after Israel stops giving them a reason to have a Hamas or Hezbollah to resist against the zionist land grab?”
Resist the Zionist land grab? Please, for the last time, Hamas and Hezbollah are NOT about resisting and getting Isreal to get off Arab land.
“…so give them a chance…”
Give them a chance? WTF are you talking about? Isreal have given back alot of the land it siezed in 1967 and Hamas has only INCREASED it’s attacks over the years.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:10 pmThe hijackers might have been Saudis but that doesn’t mean the government backed their plot.
Comment by Tracy — July 27, 2006 @ 8:05 pm
So, lets invade Iraq. Good thinking.
No you wouldn’t because most of the Palestinians support Hamas! They elected them. Who is this “most people�
July 27th, 2006 at 8:12 pmIt is very likely that you have not lost a member of your family crushed by a jewish tank, your house tore down by israel´s machines, or yourself being raped and tortured on a Israel´s prison. So, you probably wouldnt know that what comes to your head is an inexorable thirst of vengeance. Thats a Palestinian…manipulated by religous fanatism, I must add. Not very different for your Chief-in -Command (whatever that means)
and sorry kid, the Arabs were not saints when it came to the Crusades. You seem to completly and conviniently not talk about what the Moros did in Europe. Arabs are far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far from being the victims you love potraying them as.
Comment by leftisnuts
Once again the arabs do NOT have to be saints for the zionists to be devils… it doesnt work that way … at least Jesus style morality does not.
The Romans DESTROYED Israel… there was NO Israel for around 2000 years… yet the arabs were living in Palastine for around 1000 years uninterupted… they were subserviant to Turks and British… but they were NOT contested for the land…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:13 pmoh Gerald Gibson, poor typical, hypocritical liberal….so, you can insult others and put down others, but when it is done to you, you run away with your tail between your legs. freaking coward, no wonder you are such an apologist for the murdering, Nazi Like Hamas and Hezzbollah.
you are one disgusting human being, I am embarrassed for you.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:13 pmWhere’s One Jew when you need him?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:14 pmIsrael has shown good faith for the past 6 years.
Comment by leftisnuts
LIE.
Israel has been holding land that they did not get honestly since before 1948… it has gone on unabated ever since. If this was not true the west we destroy all the arabs states if need be to stop the fighting … but once again the state of Israel was born from zionist terrorism and so we do not have the moral grounding to do such a thing.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:15 pmleftisnuts
#38. So true. Thanks.
“the hatred from the left towards Israel is disgusting”
And, that has been consistent for all 60 years no matter what Government Israel had.
Can one good dem or one good prog explain: Why y’all are anti-Israel?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:17 pmGerald Gibson, you are a broken record of immense ignorance.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:18 pmSorry Gerald Gibson, Israel acquired much of its land through wars that the freaking Arab nations started!! In the times of old, that is as recently as yesterday, most countries when they acquired land through a war they didn’t start kept it.
all of a sudden the poor, cry baby arabs want the land back that Israel won after the ARabs started wars against Israel.
and sorry, you need to stop lying. First, you are not God, just becaus you say, “NO that is a lie…” it doesn’t make it a lie. In fact I have learned that when you say something is a lie, it is usually the truth. Second, you are still one pathetic human being. i am embarrassed for you.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:20 pmit doesn’t matter if Isreal gave back ALL of the land it siezed in 1967.
Comment by Tracy — July 27, 2006 @ 8:05 pm
True as that might be, it doesn’t justify the indiscrimate killing of civilians, and bombing of civilian infrastructure.
Also, the Israeli government cannot honestly claim to want to resolve outstanding issues with their neighbors if they don’t finish retreating from all the occupied territories.
Finally, this is a good example of why war and military occupation are not necessarily the best response. Even though Israel occupied Southern Lebanon for eight years between 1982 and 2000 in order to make Israel safe from terrorists attacks, not only did they fail at that stated goal, the occupation created resentment and fostered popular support for organisations such as Hezbollah, eventually getting some of its members elected to the Lebanese parliament.
That’s what Hermitage is talking about. He is no dove but a pragmatist. If Hezbollah survives this Israeli offensive -and chances are they will- their prestige will be increased. All Hezbollah needs to do to win, is not to lose.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:21 pm“Once again the arabs do NOT have to be saints for the zionists to be devils… it doesnt work that way … at least Jesus style morality does not.”
and who the hell said I am a Christian, or that I believe in Jesus, you stupid, stereotypical, moronic, racist liberal…..
you liberals love to put the right in a box…..don’t be such a typical ignorant liberal. All right wingers are NOT Christians or religious people. Get a clue and an education while you are it.
the funny thing is that you liberals cry and whine like pigs when you believe the right is being stereotypical, but you guys have no problem doing it to the right.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:23 pm#114
“Because the arabs were there for the past 1000 years before that and suffered through the crusades to maintain it… so I guess they earned it and time has a way of making things permenant…”
And the Jew were there before that. There is not such thing as statute of limitations here and NO time doesn’t make things permenant. If someone moved into your house after you were gone for say 10 years it wouldn’t make it THEIR house.
“Have any proof of this?”
I can’t believe you are this ignorant.
http://www.fas.org/ irp/ world/ para/ docs/ 880818a.htm
July 27th, 2006 at 8:23 pmResist the Zionist land grab? Please, for the last time, Hamas and Hezbollah are NOT about resisting and getting Isreal to get off Arab land.
Comment by Tracy
That is ALL it has been about for the last 60 years. Jews lived among arabs for over 2000 years … this constant killing and bragging about it crap wasnt like this until … zionists started terrorism in Palastine.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:26 pmGregor Samsa, occupied territories? these were won through wars that Israel didn’t start, plus Israel has given up much of this land now.
I will agree that there could be a backfire to this, but what is Israel to do, allow Hezzbollah to kidnapp itsoldiers and kill them?
What Israel needs to do is to completly destroy hezzbollah and unlike before, I do believe this is their ultimate plan.
honestly, what would you do?
July 27th, 2006 at 8:26 pmoh Gerald Gibson, poor typical, hypocritical liberal….so, you can insult others and put down others, but when it is done to you, you run away with your tail between your legs. freaking coward, no wonder you are such an apologist for the murdering, Nazi Like Hamas and Hezzbollah.
you are one disgusting human being, I am embarrassed for you.
Comment by leftisnuts
No I just said go use google … this isnt about me…
July 27th, 2006 at 8:28 pm