Bush Repeatedly Ignores Blair’s Sound Advice
Bush Repeatedly Ignores Blair’s Sound Advice
In his meeting with President Bush today, British Prime Minister Tony Blair is expected to advocate for a U.N. ceasefire resolution:
Tony Blair will press George Bush today to support “as a matter of urgency” a ceasefire in Lebanon as part of a UN security council resolution next week, according to Downing Street sources.
Britain’s former ambassador to the U.S. has already “dismissed Tony Blair’s ability to sway George Bush†on the issue. He’s right. Despite having been a steadfast supporter of Bush’s endeavors in Iraq, Blair has received very little in return.
Here are some of examples of Blair’s sound advice that Bush has rejected or ignored –
GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE
Blair, who is hosting the G-8 summit, wants a strong international agreement that man-made pollutants are contributing to the problem and that mandatory reductions in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are the prudent solution…but [U.S. officials] stopped short of embracing Blair’s solution. [Washington Post, 7/7/05]
POVERTY
Seeking billions in debt relief for Africa, newly re-elected British Prime Minister Tony Blair had to settle yesterday for extravagantly wrapped morsels of food aid and vague promises of more to come from U.S. President George W. Bush. [Toronto Globe and Mail, 6/8/05]
MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS
[Blair] persuaded Bush to revive the Middle East peace process between Israel and Palestine that Bush had abandoned. The new “road map” for peace there was the principal concession that Blair wrested from Bush [for support on Iraq]. … But within the councils of the Bush administration that initiative was systematically undermined. [Salon, 11/14/03]
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Bush simply ignores sound advice......no disrespect to Tony
July 28th, 2006 at 12:33 pmFace it Blair with this Administration, you're as good as what you can give, not what you get. Just like the rest of the U.S.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:34 pmbull shit bush on CNN now...Get you latest photo op propaganda there......Blessings
July 28th, 2006 at 12:35 pmFace it Blair with this Administration, you're as good as what you can give, not what you get. Just like the rest of the rest of U.S. citizens. Welcome to Rove-ocracy.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:35 pmRoad Map for Peace = "hey israel, stop for a minute so we can reload"
July 28th, 2006 at 12:38 pmI can't remember ever seeing a poodle lap dog change the mind of a war mongering,thick headed,pit bull.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:43 pmIts time for Tony to stand up for what he knows is right and break-away from Bush's derelict and toxic behavior. Too bad we as citizens must be drug along with his incompetency and pay for his cocky attitude.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:43 pm#1-walter66- You took the words right out of my mouth.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:43 pmIts time for Tony to stand up for what he knows is right and break-away from Bush’s derelict and toxic behavior. Too bad we as citizens must be drug along with his incompetency and pay for his cocky attitude.
Comment by Not Surprised — July 28, 2006 @ 12:43 pm
You know Blair was a breath of fresh air when he first arrived on scene in 1997. He really was, Bush has destroyed what would otherwise have been, at the very least, a great legacy. Just another glittering toy smashed to bits by the ill tempered chimp in chief:-(
July 28th, 2006 at 12:47 pmOf course Progs DO NOT want to dismantle Hezbollah, Hamas, et al - who would be a bigger thorn in the the side of the US and West? Who would you have to cheer for??
July 28th, 2006 at 12:49 pmIt is no wonder Pres Bush ignores whatever comes out of Blair's mouth. This is the relation between the two:
Bush: Yo, Blair. How are you doing?
[...]
Bush: Who is introducing the trade?
Blair: Angela [Merkel, the German Chancellor]
Bush: Tell her to call 'em.
Blair: Yes
[...]
Blair: Well... it's only if I mean... you know. If she's got a..., or if she needs the ground prepared as it were... Because obviously if she goes out she's got to succeed, if it were, whereas I can go out and just talk.
Transcript: Bush and Blair's unguarded chat
This can translated as
Bush: "Yo Blair, go tell that woman to do X".
Blair: "Sure... oh, and can I go to Israel... please... pleeeaaaassee"
What a poodle.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:49 pmWhen will Tony learn that he's only being used by GWB. Lap dog is the term.
July 28th, 2006 at 12:50 pm#10 MA....let me see here.....we are pumping billions into Iraq. Iraq is starting to look like it's pro-Iran. The Iranians support hezbolla.
tell me again who supports hezbolla
July 28th, 2006 at 12:58 pmIt's weird how Blair actually is pretty sensible on other issues, but he sided with Bush on Iraq. Was it because he hoped for something in return? I guess he figured out what happens when you make a deal with the devil.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:02 pm#12
July 28th, 2006 at 1:03 pmHave you ever seen a lapdog ever realize it is being used and laughed at while jumping for that treat just out of reach. He doesn't want to realize it. He just wants that treat. Whatever that treat is.
Of course Progs DO NOT want to dismantle Hezbollah, Hamas, et al - who would be a bigger thorn in the the side of the US and West? Who would you have to cheer for??
Comment by mighty aphrodite — July 28, 2006 @ 12:49 pm
Look either make sense or sod off. No one is or has championed terrorists, other than the Bush supporter rooting for Israel.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:07 pmAt the Bush/Blair press conference,David Gregory just verbally bitch slapped and contradicted G.W.B..
July 28th, 2006 at 1:08 pmHow is it possible that every time bush speaks he seems to have become even less articulate? This man is the leader and face of America and yet my 9 year old nephew has a better command of the english launguage,this is not exaggeration either.My hope is that the next president(Deomocrat) no matter which party,can at least form a complete sentence. Embarrassing!
July 28th, 2006 at 1:10 pmIt’s weird how Blair actually is pretty sensible on other issues, but he sided with Bush on Iraq. Was it because he hoped for something in return? I guess he figured out what happens when you make a deal with the devil.
Comment by Parrotlover77 — July 28, 2006 @ 1:02 pm
I never understood it. I agree with Blair on almost every other issue of substance, and I likewise disagree with Bush. Tony has been royally screwed:-(
Climate Change
Poverty
Global Governance
Blair has it all right. Just on Iraq ... what a damnable curse.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:10 pmOf course Progs DO NOT want to dismantle Hezbollah, Hamas, et al - who would be a bigger thorn in the the side of the US and West? Who would you have to cheer for??
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Of course Cons DO NOT want to dismantle Hezbollah, Hamas, et al - Who would be there for the Cons to use to instill fear in the public and sabre rattle at? Who would they use to get them the fear votes?
July 28th, 2006 at 1:11 pm#10: Of course Progs DO NOT want to dismantle Hezbollah, Hamas, et al - who would be a bigger thorn in the the side of the US and West? Who would you have to cheer for??
Do you actually believe this? Can you name one prominent progressive who has "cheered" Hezbollah or any other Islamic terrorist organization? Please provide quotes.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:12 pmOf course Cons DO NOT want to dismantle Hezbollah, Hamas, et al - Who would be there for the Cons to use to instill fear in the public and sabre rattle at? Who would they use to get them the fear votes?
Comment by dlet — July 28, 2006 @ 1:11 pm
By Christ, that actually makes an horrific and perverse kind of sense ....
July 28th, 2006 at 1:13 pmI want to know what country would be nuts enough to contribute to a "multinational" force on the border of Lebanon & Israel.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:14 pmMighty Asswipe,
Go find Big Dick & do to him what he told Leahy.
Real civilized bunch you are. Talk out of one side of your
mouth while you're doing the exact opposite.
Let me repeat; No One is Supporting Hezbollah here!
My 81 yr old Mother is ashamed of Boy George. She never puts
July 28th, 2006 at 1:17 pmanyone down, but in this case she can't help herself.
Christ, imagine what non-Americans think of this stooge.
I really tried to like Blair. I mean, at least he can speak!
Did you ever see the tongue lashing he gets when he briefs the
House of Commons? They are not civil to him.
But Bush puts up Bongman Snow so he can hide out without having
to talk, which is probably just as well...nothing coherent comes out
of that silver spoon trap anyway.
100 days 'till mid-terms,
I want to know what country would be nuts enough to contribute to a “multinational†force on the border of Lebanon & Israel.
Comment by eCAHNomics — July 28, 2006 @ 1:14 pm
Some talk about the French and the Germans stepping up to the plate.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:17 pmThere is no right side of an argument over which way to accompish the wrong thing.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:21 pmRepublican Says We Need A Dem Congress
The following is a letter from former Republican Congressman and Presidential candidate Pete McCloskey.
THE NEED FOR A DEMOCRAT MAJORITY IN THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN 2007
July 28th, 2006 at 1:21 pm#23 - eCAHNomics,
July 28th, 2006 at 1:27 pmLast week, Iran and Syria. Today, you can throw in Egypt, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
Oh Tony,
When will you realize you are nothing more than their bitch
July 28th, 2006 at 1:35 pmThe Poodle actually looks surprised when Bush kicks him. What's that about doing the same thing and expecting different results?
July 28th, 2006 at 1:37 pmBrian Whooooooooooo - Any moronic Prog who sees Israel as the terrorist in this instance is not worthy of expending an------.......zzzzzzz..........
July 28th, 2006 at 1:37 pmHezbollah has bribed and bullied the Lebanese people
DO NOT EVER THINK FOR ONE MINUTE THAT ISRAEL DID NOT CREATE THIS SITUATION!
The member of Hezbollah I was interviewing - let's call him Ahmed - has been shot three times during previous battles against Israeli forces on the southern Lebanese border. His brother was killed in one of these battles. It's been several years since his father was killed by an air strike in a refugee camp.
"My home now in Dahaya is pulverized, so Hezbollah gave me a place to stay while this war is happening," he said, "When this war ends, where am I to go? What am I to do? Everything in my life is destroyed now, so I will fight them."
That explains why earlier in the day, when driving me around, he'd stopped at an apartment to change into black clothing - a black t-shirt and black combat pants, along with black combat boots.
A tall, stocky man, Ahmed seemed always exhausted and angry.
"I didn't have a future," he continued while the concussions of bombs continued, "But now, Hassan Nasrallah is the leader of this country and her people. My family has lived in Lebanon for 1,500 years, and now we are all with him. He has given us belief and hope that we can push the Zionists out of Lebanon, and keep them out forever. He has given me purpose."
"Do you think this is why so many people now, probably over two million here in Lebanon alone, follow Nasrallah?" I asked.
"Hezbollah gives you dignity, it returns your dignity to you," he replied, "Israel has put all of the Arab so-called leaders
"War Is the Total Failure of the Human Spirit"
July 28th, 2006 at 1:40 pmBy Dahr Jamail
Was it because he hoped for something in return?
Comment by Parrotlover77 — July 28, 2006 @ 1:02 pm
carlyle group...
July 28th, 2006 at 1:40 pm"Hezbollah gives you dignity, it returns your dignity to you," he replied, "Israel has put all of the Arab so-called leaders under her foot, but Nasrallah says 'No more.'"
July 28th, 2006 at 1:42 pmOf course Cons DO NOT want to dismantle Hezbollah, Hamas, et al - Who would be there for the Cons to use to instill fear in the public and sabre rattle at? Who would they use to get them the fear votes?
Comment by dlet — July 28, 2006 @ 1:11 pm
By Christ, that actually makes an horrific and perverse kind of sense ….
Comment by Brian Coughlan — July 28, 2006 @ 1:13 pm
same principle used with "terrer", "osama", "iran", "gays", etc. ad nauseum...
July 28th, 2006 at 1:51 pmMy dear Zimzone - I'm sure your mama did the best she could but your dirty mouth is no credit to her. As my Grandfather used to say - "The hallmark of the truly ignorant is the inability to express themselves without using foul language."
July 28th, 2006 at 1:58 pmSo Bush no wanna sound input from Blair well here’s mine:
Warming Up to the Truth
July 28, 2006
The article “IT’S HOT, but can we blame global warming?†is an article that’s long over due, especially after the barrages of heat waves that charred California. Another thing, not to toot my own horn, I did wrote to the editorial dept. days ago of why hadn’t the Press Democrat mention global warming when the heat wave was hell bent on scorching this state to one end to another. Well I guess logic and reason do win out now and then. Another thing about the article it mentioned that there is still a “heated†debate still raging over the existence of global warming, especially with meteorologist Jan Null. Personally I don’t believe one dissenting voice makes a difference. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) involves thousands of climate scientists from over 120 countries around the world. And those such as Null or the representatives of Big Energy, Big Oil or Big Coal are on the minority, except within the mainstream media. IPCC doesn’t have a real forum in the media but thanks to Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth†global warming can now receive the audience it deserves.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:02 pmBrian Whooooooooooo - Any moronic Prog who sees Israel as the terrorist in this instance is not worthy of expending an——…….zzzzzzz……….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — July 28, 2006 @ 1:37 pm
People who kill civilians on purpose, in or out of uniform are terrorists even in your rule book. You just ignore it.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:04 pmAs my Grandfather used to say -
Comment by mighty aphrodite — July 28, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
I'm not sure we should be paying a great deal of attention to the genetic line that has most recently culminated in you:-)
Honestly though, why do you think Bush has screwed Blair?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:06 pmBlair and Bush debates differences
Youd probably seen it. But anyway...it is fun and lecturing to watch. I guess we sometimes remember that people in the government work for us, we pay them.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:13 pmI personally love the Lefts’ tired rubbish about the “Terrorists Jews beleaguering the Middle East.â€
Comment by mighty aphrodite #142
Afraid the property value on your retirement/vacation villa in Haifa is deteriorating...
...huh puny?
...as for dissent (and by inference) diminished American rights...
...how about Cindy Sheehan being removed-then arrested- from the House gallery because of her anti-War tee-shirt?
...why are protestors kept blocks away and dissenters NOT ALLOWED into venues where inbred BRAINWASHING propagandist sessions (campaign/fundraising)...
... are being held by your COWARDLY TREASONOUS gods Bushiva and L'il Dick...
...why don't "we the people" have a right to direct where (or NOT) our hard earned tax dollars go?
...why are corrupt, thieving HMO's, (car, health,home) INSURANCE COMPANIES (middlemen) allowed to keep ripping off America's working poor/middle class..
...and ruining American businesses?...
...when (under more ethical, humanistic, and morally sound leadership) the American government/(the American people's collective buying power)...
... could do a better/less expensive, less corrupt job of protecting each citizen's property/healthcare interests?...
(the TRAITOR Bill Frist's family is selling HCA for over $30 billion)
...why have poor/middle working class people's rights to sue criminally negligent corporate manufacturers or medical/healthcare personnel/entities (HMO's), and seek financial relief through bankruptcy been severely curtailed?
...while wealthy privileged elitists are allowed to renege on their debt with little or no sanctions (the GREAT American double standard- ask TRUMP if you don't believe it exists)?
...why are our civil/voting rights being violated with fraudulent electronic touch screen voting machines, manufactured by (self-admitted) right wing ideologues/criminal Bushite TRAITORS?
...puny, inbred Bushite TREASONOUS idiots like you are responsible for destroying our great experiment in democracy...
...and your houses are cursed...
July 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pmHe doesn't need advice from anyone...He's the DECIDER
July 28th, 2006 at 2:17 pmI've always said that Blair was not Bush's poodle but his babysitter.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:55 pmBlair didn't do a very good job of it at the G8.
For those of you who do not see footage of protests with ANSWER and United for Peace and Justice, you're in for a REAL treat....sarcasm off....
July 28th, 2006 at 2:57 pm9/11 = inside job!
Watch C-Span panel featuring academics, military & former US administrations officials on this #1 importance topic - starts this Sat 29@8pm EST
July 28th, 2006 at 2:59 pm#29 MA sez......"Dear Walter666 - Why do you expect Islamic democracies to look like Western democracies?? Hmmmm….. That’s a bit ethnocentric of you…."
so in a Islamic democracy if you support hezbolla you should get aid from the U.S.?
July 28th, 2006 at 3:15 pmEvery time Blair comes over to hold Bushs hand, his polls go down in England.
Every time he comes over Bush gets the slightest of bounces.
Stay home Blair, let Bushie, the shrub, swing alone.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:20 pmI can’t remember ever seeing a poodle lap dog change the mind of a war mongering,thick headed,pit bull.
Comment by Bingo !
Right on target, Bingo! Great analogy.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:23 pmHasn't Blair figured out that he has to deal directly with Cheney? It's not like W is empowered to set foreign policy...
July 28th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#37,Mostly Ass,
July 28th, 2006 at 3:43 pmYour Grandfather was a wise man,
what's up with Cheney's mouth?
what’s up with Cheney’s mouth?
and with the "sh*t" heard around the world, what's up with bush's mouth?
July 28th, 2006 at 3:47 pmAnd i am sure all our language is so golden in private situations...
who cares about the language... if he used the s*** in association with hezbollah who killed marines, and 100s of people in argentina, and 30 other incidents since israel left lebenon... i can live with that.
cause if you really cared about profanity you would care about your own party and some of the gems they have said about minorities in public events and speeches.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:14 pmAdvice? Bush take advice? Since when? From whom? Never!
July 28th, 2006 at 5:26 pmHe listens to the sounds of his bowels and makes his decisions on how comfortable his gut is. And for a man with no conscience, no morals or ethics, his gut usually feels pretty good with whatever the decider decides.
you would have thought that since Bush listened to Iranian spy Ahmed Chalabi's advice about Iraq..................
July 28th, 2006 at 5:45 pmwhenever I think about Iranian spy Ahmed Chalabi and Bush I think of the movie the Flim-Flam Man starring George C. Scott. The most memorable line in the movie was when Scott told the kid...."you can't cheat an honest man"
Iranian spy Ahmed Chalabi found a real mark in Bush
July 28th, 2006 at 6:11 pmback home blair is a cooked goose
July 28th, 2006 at 7:18 pmback home blair is a cooked goose
Comment by jason baddo
One can only hope.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:14 pmback home blair is a cooked goose
Comment by jason baddo
One can only hope.
Comment by Zooey — July 28, 2006 @ 9:14 pm
except sometimes i think it's tony who keeps dubya in line...
July 28th, 2006 at 9:23 pmprobably not... but the dub seems to look up to tony...
just a thought...
You know Blair was a breath of fresh air when he first arrived on scene in 1997. He really was, Bush has destroyed what would otherwise have been, at the very least, a great legacy. Just another glittering toy smashed to bits by the ill tempered chimp in chief:-(
Comment by Brian Coughlan — July 28, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
I thought he was too. Why did he go along with Bush....any clue? By the way, I (stupidly) just linked to your blog for the first time and read the message you posted dated June 11. I truly hope that the outcome of all this crap will be exactly the recognition of how fruitless war is or any war, and that this certainly can be a global recognition due to our advanced technology. It is certainly possible that we can "beat swords into plowshares" if we have the will to do so. I bookmarked your blog. Outstanding!
July 28th, 2006 at 10:13 pm#
Republican Says We Need A Dem Congress
The following is a letter from former Republican Congressman and Presidential candidate Pete McCloskey.
THE NEED FOR A DEMOCRAT MAJORITY IN THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN 2007
Comment by madashell — July 28, 2006 @ 1:21 pm
Thanks for posting this. Progressives - this is an important story to read. Our natural allies just might be those traditional conservatives who clearly see what we see as well.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:25 pmmighty aphrodite - just out of curiosity, why did you select "aprodite" as your blogname?
July 28th, 2006 at 10:30 pmBlair is a poodle dog, so Bush just pets him alot, and Blair flatters him by begging for bones > lol.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:39 pmwhy did you select “aprodite†as your blogname?
Comment by Impeachcheneythenbush
Sorry, I can't resist...He likes to stay in touch with his feminine side.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:39 pmPat Buchanan 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFZDbDyinw
No other conservative politician in the USA has such a clear-headed fair vision
July 28th, 2006 at 11:29 pmI'm watching Hulk Hogan with a monkey. Oh politics, kind of the same.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:45 pmFor Truth,
More interesting, I would think.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:53 pm# 51. Zooey;
Thanks for the notice,Zoo. ;)
July 29th, 2006 at 12:52 amAnytime, Bingo. :)
July 29th, 2006 at 1:09 am# 67. Zooey;
Aww Zooey; and you were doing so good too.
July 29th, 2006 at 1:13 amI have seen absolutely no evidence that M.A. is a man.
Right wing? Yes: A man? No. :|
#73 - Sorry to disappoint you, Bingo, it's just a feeling I have. No actual evidence. Maybe I just really don't want "it" to be a woman. :}
July 29th, 2006 at 1:49 amI think it's a man too. After reading his comments for about a year now, I have gotten a tone that kind of reminds me of a meaner Wiliam S. Buckley...
July 29th, 2006 at 2:20 amNever has anything meaningful to offer either, just snide baiting. Paid by the word to waste our time so we won't have any real discussions. In other words, a super troll.
# 74 & 75:
O.K.,O.K..
July 29th, 2006 at 2:36 amYou both make good points,but for now,i'm sticking with fem.. :\
Here's one way to pause the war:
http://aydin.net/blog/2006/07/26/calling-the-oilgarchy-to-work/
July 29th, 2006 at 10:39 am#76 - for now,i’m sticking with fem.. :\
Comment by Bingo !
Wouldn't be interesting if one day we actually found out? :}
July 29th, 2006 at 10:58 amJudd
Sir, I understand you are in charge of this outlet.
Seeing the style of this site management, I do not expect you do respond in any way
(well, maybe forbidding my blog name from the use; which would be quite consistent with the concept of freedom-of-speech you claim to support)
But,
I would greatly appreciate if you could spare a few moments of your most precious time to read this.
Below analysis is in no way includes, reflects or relates to blog posts that is a separate concern. It is solely based on your selection of news pieces presented and the comments made by your staff members that is a group of accredited professionals. The problem is what for and how the professional qualities of your staff are being used.
ThinkProgress News/Blogs web site currently is a perfect example of one out of many biased extreme-left ideological outlets. These kinds of media reflect features that are very characteristical of the purpose they serve and have been most common across the media in a past and nowadays.
The biased extreme-left ideological purpose they serve is a BRAINWASH of the worst kind, reminiscent of the worst examples of media abuse:
- Soviet Union’s total government-controlled brainwash machine
- propaganda machine by Dr. Joseph Goebbels
Specifically, there was no time when the Soviet’s propaganda had been worse then the body you, Judd, are in charge of. Even in the worst times Soviet propaganda did present facts, news and opinions from “the other sideâ€, “the ideological enemyâ€.
You do not do that.
These claims are also supported by the following almost military style methods this site employs (in short – like Lenin said – “anything goes†kind of methods)
- the selection of negligent value news that further are being blown out of proportion with the goal to deceit and diverge the attention of your audience
- the elaborate selection of events presented within an article to serve the above goal
- the content of comments to the news made by your staff members serve the purpose of creating one-sided view; thus attempting to convince (brainwash) the reader as oppose to provide the reader with information, so the reader could build ones opinion on ones own
All the three items above are the 101 of propaganda brainwash.
In conclusion it is worthwhile to mention to you, Judd, that democracy is our heritage. It is the responsibility of mine and your generations to pass this heritage over to the next generations of Americans, hopefully making it stronger.
You, Judd, and your staff members are being used for the opposite purpose: to make democracy weaker, hopefully to diminish the political and intellectual influence of democracy.
Thank you very much for your time. Very Truly,
July 29th, 2006 at 12:13 pmjames riser or PatrioticLiberalChristian or hister or katy or whatever blog name u use:
I have an outstanding debt to pay:
“tonight is slow…i welcome you to expand on your attack of what you believe are my epistemological roots…â€
C’mon, com out - this is your last chance to claim the price.
July 29th, 2006 at 12:13 pm# 78. Zooey:
Notice how 'she' never really looses her temper,especially with the attacks she gets.
July 29th, 2006 at 12:17 pmThat tells me alot.
# 79. One Jew:
WOW !
July 29th, 2006 at 12:29 pmAnd just how does Limbaugh,Hannity,O Reilly,Ingrahm,Bortz,Hume and many others fit into this propaganda scheme ?
RE: You know Blair was a breath of fresh air when he first arrived on scene in 1997. He really was, Bush has destroyed what would otherwise have been, at the very least, a great legacy. Just another glittering toy smashed to bits by the ill tempered chimp in chief:-(
Comment by Brian Coughlan — July 28, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
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I agree 100%. I have posted the comment that follows on other sites and may have posted here, but I believe it warrants repeating. Here, I refer to Blair before he attached his star to the decider, which is when his downfall started:
One of the things that has always astounded me about Blair, is how in God's name did he ever let himself get suckered into a trumpted up war of choice by the likes of the town drunk! Consider the contrast:
Blair was/is articulate, and holds his own in any debate or conversation; Bush can hardly put two sentences together without butchering the language and, in my opinion, lost all three debates with Kerry.
Blair was well liked by the majority of the Brits; Bush was/is despised by an ever increasing number, if not a majority, of the American people.
Blair, from all indications, was an honest person telling it like it is; Bush will go down as one of the most dishonest in our history and one has to look behind what he says for the real meaning.
Blair for the most part selected his cabinet and associates based on honesty, competence, and integrity; Bush surroundes himself with the worst of the worst based on neopotism, crookedness, and incompetency.
Blair managed his government with respect for the law and rights of the British people; Bush tramples on the basic rights of the people and disregards the law defined under the constitution he has judged to be that "goddamned piece of paper!"
Blair consistently pushed social programs to better the British people; Bush is hell bent to destroy programs that do not benefit the wealthy.
Blair has just gone on record that you can't continue to reduce taxes and spend at the same time; Bush believes there should be no taxes and spend all the time.
Blair believes in fiscal conversatism; Bush CLAIMS he does but has run up a record budget deficit and driving the nation into fiscal disarray with the national debt.
I guess it could go on, but only history will tell us how Blair was suckered by the most incompetent president in this nation's history.
How things have changed since he become Bush's poodle. I predict he will not be around much longer, as the Brits are becoming as tired of him as we are of Bush!
July 29th, 2006 at 2:43 pm#73 -" Aww Zooey; and you were doing so good too.
I have seen absolutely no evidence that M.A. is a man.
Right wing? Yes: A man? No. :| - Comment by Bingo !"
******Zoo and galpals ASSume so much knowing sooo little. (My guess is they understand statistics show that most bloggers are men and they are desperate for dates. I would have thought they'd be hanging out a e-Harmony, a politically correct progressive/socialist demonstration or a bar - but you must admire the way they are utilizing all the resources at their fingertips!!!)
July 29th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#81 - "Zooey: Notice how ’she’ never really looses her temper,especially with the attacks she gets. That tells me alot." - Comment by Bingo
******Bingo - Lose my temper over a few lobbed "insults"?? Oh please,,,,I visit this sandbox to play. Occasionally, progs provide such quaint little nuggets of amusement....
July 29th, 2006 at 3:01 pm# 84. M.A.:
Thanks for the notice.
July 29th, 2006 at 3:12 pmDear Mr. Jew - As a recovering Democrat, I became a conservative as I found the angst and hand-wringing of the left, not in the spirit of problem solving, but in the spirit of self-congratulations. **REMEMBER**: Progs CARE about EVERY downtrodden person, animal, plant, ecosystem, etc. more than you could EVER possibly care! I do not come here to change minds - most of the minds here are soooo tightly shut you'd need a crow bar to open them(a true "progressive" oxymoron). (Mr. Aphrodite has a little sign in his study -"A liberal is so open-minded, their brains have fallen out...)
I do believe the few trolls who stop in provide a valuable public service for the one-track anti-capitalist gang here. Imagine how utterly boring this site wopuld be without a tad of repartee.
Prog 1 : "I hate the selected President....and the Supremes....and ALL Repulicans except Lincoln Chaffee..."
Prog 2 : "Repulican rich people are bad....Progressive rich people are good."
Prog 3 : "I hate GWB more than both of you and I hate ALL rich people...
See how boring this place would be with out us???
July 29th, 2006 at 3:15 pmmighty aphrodite
Hi. Good to see you. I missed your clever remarks, like "Zoo and galpals ASSume so much..." is. Thx.
I put up an open letter to Judd. It's above. What's your take?
July 29th, 2006 at 6:10 pmDear Mrs. Aphrodite
"...in the spirit of self-congratulations" - very much the spirit of commy regimes, to big extend of UN and often EU.
â€A liberal is so open-minded, their brains have fallen out…" - thx, I had a good healthy laugh.
"...without a tad of repartee" - yeap. There is Paul from LA - says he is a marxist, but does not know that makes him a commy. Talking about confused people….
Yeah, I did like the all three classifications of Frogs. My favorite
“Progressive rich people are good†– say George Soros.
“See how boring this place would be with out us???†– but nowhere else we could have a very special kind of fun as here, would we?
July 29th, 2006 at 6:25 pmDear Mrs. Aphrodite
Another good laugh you could find surprisingly at
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/28/house-conservatives-2-for-workers-but-only-if-paris-gets-millions/#comments
#44 "Oh Gosh….
This crowd of frogs is hopelessly paranoid.
One sober would think: “What this topic may have to do with Israelâ€
But, wait: here comes the extecited frog crowd: “We do not hate Israel, We do not hate Jews, Israel has nothing to do with this!!!â€
Comment by One Jew"
July 29th, 2006 at 6:35 pmHi Mr. Jew - I read your letter to Judd (excellent observations!!) - While his take on everything is consistently "prog", I remind myself that he is employed AND paid due to his extraordinary "progressive" bias. It would be the same if I started a Mighty Aphrodite blog - I would entertain opposing views - they're so MUCH fun - but I would not be offended if someone noted my conservatism. Remember, we perform a valuable public service assisting the progressive community - their minds are a terrible thing to waste.
July 29th, 2006 at 6:39 pmThanks for the notice.
Comment by Bingo !
Foul betrayal...
July 29th, 2006 at 8:16 pmRE: #79 One Jew launches personal attacks and lies against Judd and ThinkProgress
This guy calling himself “One Jewâ€, apparently attempting to disparage Jews, has been around for quite some time using a variety of aliases. I recognize his illiterate, incoherent style which attempts to confuse rather than respond to the points put before him. His responses are mostly personal attacks such as the one he launched against Judd and ThinkProgress, designed to provoke anger rather than an intellectually honest discussion. He was apparently so dumbfounded by the following post that it provoked several unsuccessful attempts to piece together a semi-coherent response:
RE: 435 One Jew attacking Judd on several threads/same message
July 29th, 2006 at 10:37 pm
# 92. Zooey:
Uh oh.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:39 amZoo,please,I was just being polite. :-|
"RE #486: All truth passes through three stages
LOL at RightWingRitalinBaby for referring to CNN, ABC, CBS & NBC as “NeoConservative mediaâ€. You’re so far left that you’re almost right!!
Comment by Scat — July 30, 2006 @ 1:13 am
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.†–
Arthur Schopenhauer
Comment by Arthur_Schopenhauer"
Thank you very much Arthur_Schopenhauer.
Very timely reminder. Greatly appreciate it.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:09 amThere have been a number of unsubstantiated, ridiculous and highly unethical accusations posted to my open letter to Judd that I feel necessary to address:
1. This letter is not an “attack†as some speculated, not “hate-filled†as others incriminated and not a proof of “Conspiracy Theory†as many panicked.
This letter is motivated by my respect to Judd, his professional qualities and trust in his judgment. Otherwise, I would not have wasted his time reading it (hopefully) and my time writing it.
This letter also serves as an example of unbiased search for truth and how to argue in a free-speech fashion in a democratic society that we (the people of USA) are. We all have a different intellectual background and different life experiences, so I have shared mine with Judd. It is up to him to recognize the value.
I do not have agenda. If you just be patient and exercise attention you might notice I am not very happy with extreme right politics either. In fact, one using enough attention while reading my comments, may have already noticed that, since this subject was touched in my discussions with fellow ThinkProgress members of audience.
I was irritated at times in my comments. But I never did ridicule anyone except in response to offense. Offense in discussions comes in variety of forms and shapes. If this subject (offense in discussions) found worthwhile – I will elaborate. One thing for sure – since I was on the site the level of explicit and offensive profanity on the site has decreased. Do I have anything to do with it? I think not. It is merely an observation.
2. The truly original and authentic message has been posted only at:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/27/armitage-mideast/#comments
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/28/us-lebanon/#comments
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/26/new-nie/#comments
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/28/manage-calm/#comments
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/28/blair-advice/#comments
followed by my challenge to james riser (who admitted to the usage of other blog names) to continue the argument she/he put forward.
These 5 URLs are the only places on the Internet or any other media where authentic message was posted.
I know for many from the audience (for whatever reason) it would be hard to believe that one may actually be ethical enough not to use variety of names, not to place post on different web-sites and use one’s own thoughts and observations.
I am simply being ethical. That is one of my virtues and I intend to hold-on to it despite all the provocations. Believe me – I did have much harder challenges in my life. Being simply ethical is easy for me.
If it turns out my open letter to Judd makes its’ way to other web sites – I am not doing it; it is out of my control; it simply means someone liked them and found it worthwhile to distribute. For what I am being grateful not because of my deficient self-esteem but rather for my time spent did not go down in vain.
3. I also said that I am a professional software engineer (sorry, leftisnuts, but I am about to substantiate this).
My current project is to reverse-engineer and re-write Microsoft Windows transport communications core, so Windows clients can perform IP based communications in transport neutral fashion as UNIX and LINUX allow to.
Greatly appreciate everyone’s time spent on reading my posts. Thank you.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:42 amThe Moral Lesson of Hiroshima
by John Lewis (April 29, 2006)
On August 6, 1945 the American Air Force incinerated Hiroshima, Japan with an atomic bomb. On August 9 Nagasaki was obliterated. The fireballs killed some 175,000 people. They followed months of horror, when American airplanes firebombed civilians and reduced cities to rubble. Facing extermination, the Japanese surrendered unconditionally. The invasion of Japan was cancelled, and countless American lives were saved. The Japanese accepted military occupation, embraced a constitutional government, and renounced war permanently. The effects were so beneficent, so wide-ranging and so long-term, that the bombings must be ranked among the most moral acts ever committed.
The bombings have been called many things-but moral? The purpose of morality, wrote Ayn Rand, is not to suffer and die, but to prosper and live.
How can death on such a scale be considered moral?
The answer begins with Japanese culture. World War II in the Pacific was launched by a nation that esteemed everything hostile to human life.
Japan's religious-political philosophy held the emperor as a god, subordinated the individual to the state, elevated ritual over rational thought, and adopted suicide as a path to honor. This was truly a Morality of Death. It had gripped Japanese society for three generations. Japan's war with Russia had ended in 1905 with a negotiated treaty, which left Japan's militaristic culture intact. The motivations for war were emboldened, and the next generation broke the treaty by attacking Manchuria in 1931 (which was not caused by the oil embargo of 1941).
It was after Japan attacked America that America waged war against Japan-a proper moral response to the violence Japan had initiated. Despite three and a half years of slaughter, surrender was not at hand in mid-1945. Over six million Japanese were still in Asia. Some 12,000 Americans had died on Okinawa alone. Many Japanese leaders hoped to kill enough Americans during an invasion to convince them that the cost was too high. A relentless "Die for the Emperor" propaganda campaign had motivated many Japanese civilians to fight to the death. Volunteers lined up for kamikaze "Divine Wind" suicide missions. Hope of victory kept the Japanese cause alive, until hopeless prostration before American air attacks made the abject renunciation of all war the only alternative to suicide. The Japanese had to choose between the morality of death, and the morality of life.
The bombings marked America's total victory over a militaristic culture that had murdered millions. To return an entire nation to morality, the Japanese had to be shown the literal meaning of the war they had waged against others. The abstraction "war," the propaganda of their leaders, their twisted samurai "honor," their desire to die for the emperor-all of it had to be given concrete form, and thrown in their faces. This is what firebombing Japanese cities accomplished. It showed the Japanese that "this"-point to burning buildings, screaming children scarred unmercifully, piles of corpses, the promise of starvation-"this is what you have done to others. Now it has come for you. Give it up, or die." This was the only way to show them the true nature of their philosophy, and to beat the truth of the defeat into them.
Yes, Japan was beaten in July of 1945-but had not surrendered. A defeat is a fact; an aggressor's ability to fight effectively is destroyed.
Surrender is a decision, by the political leadership and the dominant voices in the culture, to recognize the fact of defeat. Surrender is an admission of impotence, the collapse of all hope for victory, and the permanent renunciation of aggression. Such recognition of reality is the first step towards a return to morality. Under the shock of defeat, a stunned silence results. Military officers no longer plan for victory; women no longer bear children for the Reich; young boys no longer play samurai and dream of dying for the emperor-children no longer memorize sword verses from the Koran and pledge themselves to jihad.
To achieve this, the victor must be intransigent. He does not accept terms; he demands prostrate surrender, or death, for everyone if necessary.
Had the United States negotiated in 1945, Japanese troops would have returned to a homeland free of foreign control, met by civilians who had not confronted defeat, under the same leaders who had taken them to war. A negotiated peace would have failed to discredit the ideology of war, and would have left the motivations for the next war intact. We might have fought the Japanese Empire again, twenty years later. Fortunately, the Americans were in no mind to compromise.
President Truman demonstrated his willingness to bomb the Japanese out of existence if they did not surrender. The Potsdam Declaration of July 26, 1945 is stark: "The result of the futile and senseless German resistance to the might of the aroused free peoples of the world stands forth in awful clarity as an example to the people of Japan . . . Following are our terms.
We will not deviate from them. There are no alternatives. We shall brook no delay . . . We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces . . . The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction."
The approach worked brilliantly. After the bombs, the Japanese chose wisely.
The method was brutally violent, as it had to be-because the war unleashed by Japan was brutally violent, and only a brutal action could demonstrate its nature. To have shielded Japanese citizens from the meaning of their own actions-the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death March-would have been a massive act of dishonesty. It would have left the Japanese unable to reject military aggression the next time it was offered as an elixir of glory.
After the war, many returning Japanese troops were welcomed by their countrymen not as heroes, but with derision. The imperial cause was recognized as bankrupt, and the actions of its soldiers worthy of contempt.
Forced to confront the reality of what they had done, a sense of morality had returned to Japan.
There can be no higher moral action by a nation than to destroy an aggressive dictatorship, to permanently discredit the enemy's ideology, to stand guard while a replacement is crafted, and then to greet new friends on proper terms. Let those who today march for peace in Germany and Japan admit that their grandparents once marched as passionately for war, and that only total defeat could force them to re-think their place in the world and offer their children something better. Let them thank heaven-the United States-for the bomb.
Some did just that. Hisatsune Sakomizu, chief cabinet secretary of Japan, said after the war: "The atomic bomb was a golden opportunity given by Heaven for Japan to end the war." He wanted to look like a peaceful man-which became a sensible position only after the Americans had won.
Okura Kimmochi, president of the Technological Research Mobilization Office, wrote before the surrender: "I think it is better for our country to suffer a total defeat than to win total victory . . . in the case of Japan's total defeat, the armed forces would be abolished, but the Japanese people will rise to the occasion during the next several decades to reform themselves into a truly splendid people . . . the great humiliation [the bomb] is nothing but an admonition administered by Heaven to our country." But let him thank the American people-not heaven-for it was they who made the choice between the morality of life and the morality of death inescapable.
Americans should be immensely proud of the bomb. It ended a war that had enslaved a continent to a religious-military ideology of slavery and death.
There is no room on earth for this system, its ideas and its advocates.
It took a country that values this world to bomb this system into extinction.
For the Americans to do so while refusing to sacrifice their own troops to save the lives of enemy civilians was a sublimely moral action. This destroyed the foundations of the war, and allowed the Japanese to rebuild their culture along with their cities, as prosperous inhabitants of the earth. Were it true that total victory today creates new attackers tomorrow, we would now be fighting Japanese suicide bombers, while North Korea-where the American army did not impose its will-would be peaceful and prosperous. The facts are otherwise. The need for total victory over the morality of death has never been clearer.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:53 amI was just being polite. :-|
Comment by Bingo !
Hmmm, with that one? Standards, Bingo. :)
July 30th, 2006 at 12:41 pmZooscooper - the hallmark of character is how "we treat lesser fellows - not those who would benefit us." You seem to have no standards - I try to take your character deficiencies into consideration.
July 30th, 2006 at 5:33 pm:-)
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