Bush: American Foreign Policy No Longer Seeks to ‘Manage Calm’
Bush: American Foreign Policy No Longer Seeks to ‘Manage Calm’
At today’s press conference, NBC’s David Gregory noted that, three years ago, the Bush administration predicted that “the invasion of Iraq would create a new stage of Arab-Israeli peace,†but that hasn’t happened.
In response, President Bush proudly declared that American foreign policy no longer seeks to “manage calm,” and derided policies that let anger and resentment lie “beneath the surface.” Bush said that the violence in the Middle East was evidence of a more effective foreign policy that addresses “root causes.†Watch it:
UPDATE: The video is now working.
Transcript:
QUESTION: Mr. President, both of you, I’d like to ask you about the big picture that you’re discussing. Mr. President, three years ago, you argued that an invasion of Iraq would create a new stage of Arab-Israeli peace. And yet today there is an Iraqi prime minister who has been sharply critical of Israel.
Arab governments, despite your arguments, who first criticized Hezbollah, have now changed their tune. Now they’re sharply critical of Israel. And despite from both of you warnings to Syria and Iran to back off support from Hezbollah, effectively, Mr. President, your words are being ignored.
So what has happened to America’s clout in this region that you’ve committed yourself to transform?
BUSH: It’s an interesting period because, instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability.
For a while, American foreign policy was just, Let’s hope everything is calm — manage calm. But beneath the surface brewed a lot of resentment and anger that was manifested on September the 11th.
And so we’ve taken a foreign policy that says: On the one hand, we will protect ourselves from further attack in the short run by being aggressive in chasing down the killers and bringing them to justice.
And make no mistake: They’re still out there, and they would like to harm our respective peoples because of what we stand for. In the long term, to defeat this ideology — and they’re bound by an ideology — you defeat it with a more hopeful ideology called freedom.
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This guys a total arse, how can america take anymore of his crap
July 28th, 2006 at 1:45 pmWhile our democracy, in the hands of the neocons, moves towards using force to export and expand democracy, those we deem as extremists are using persuasion to democratically assume power. That, in my opinion, is perhaps the epitome of irony. Worse yet, it is an indication that our foreign policy is an unmitigated failure that may well alter the world order for decades.
Read an analysis that discusses the implications of the current U.S. foreign policy and how the neoconservatives have simply leaped over the politics of conflict…here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
July 28th, 2006 at 1:45 pmOur new foreign policy is to let the hate and anger boil over at every opportunity.
Hey, sounds like Bush’s election strategy!
July 28th, 2006 at 1:47 pmWar is peace.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:49 pmCaos == Success
Wow! That’s a strategy only Dr. Evil would pursue.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:49 pmThis foreign policy and its logical outcome was crafted by those who believe in permanent war as a source of empowerment. They are bad people.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:50 pm“On the one hand. . . .” Did he ever get to stateing what was on the other hand?
July 28th, 2006 at 1:51 pmThis is what we get when an idiot that cannot even properly voice a coherent thought is setting US policy.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:52 pmJudd:
The ‘Watch it’ link seems to be defective…just FYI.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:53 pmBush: On the one hand…
Okay, okay, where is the the other hand? I couldn’t find it.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:54 pmHT: Think Progress
DoubleSpeak with Matthew and Peter Slutsky
http://www.doublespeakshow.com/ 2006/ 07/ 28/ trapped-in-a-glass-case-of-emotion/
July 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pmI wrote this for the Press Democrat newspaper. Now Think Progress can share it.
Children of a Lesser God
July 27, 2006
The article “Bloody day for Israeli soldiers in Lebanon†is quite an eye opener. The bloody exchange between the Hezbollah fighters and the Israeli soldiers is reaching to epic proportion, worthy of primetime television around the world. Now for the underbelly: Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. For days Rice had refused the call for a cease-fire. Her excuse is that “The fields of the Middle East are littered with broken cease-fires.†I beg to differ: this article is quite clear in its assessment that what are littered in the battlefields are broken bodies and future lives, not cease-fires. What Rice hopes to achieve is the surrender of Hezbollah and Syria outright. Such absurdity is all too obvious: it’s not going to happen anytime soon. This is a fight to the death. Too many lives and hopes have perished for either side to let it go, especially Lebanon. What Rice and the Bush administration hope to gain from all this is World War Three in the Middle East. As in 9/11 President Bush wishes to once again unite the country behind him, at least for the coming November elections. And what is the cost to the Lebanese in all this? For Prime Minister Siniora of Lebanon truer words were never spoken: “Are we the children of a lesser god?â€
July 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pmIs the Idiot-in-Chief capable of speaking an entire paragraph without mentioning September 11? I think not…
July 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pmBush’s puppeteers couldn’t have engineered a better way to destabilize the Middle East, and Bush couldn’t be a better muppet.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pm#10 - Bush: On the one hand…
Okay, okay, where is the the other hand? I couldn’t find it.
Found it! The other hand is in Jeff Gannon’s pants.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pmyou defeat it with a more hopeful ideology called freedom.
If that is the case then shouldn’t we be working with these countries in stead of shooting them and dropping bombs on them or threatening to do so. Here’s freedom…take it…if you don’t we’ll shoot you. So the hopeful idealology they have is that they hope they won’t be killed for a thing called freedom.(whatever that is)
July 28th, 2006 at 1:57 pmFIRE THIS GUY!. He’s drinking his own Kool Aid..
July 28th, 2006 at 1:57 pmjust curious - are the questions given to dubya in advance?
July 28th, 2006 at 1:59 pmhis usual awkwardness aside, he seemed to have some kind of response ready…
Caption Contest Entry:
July 28th, 2006 at 1:59 pmComment by Armando Gomez — July 28, 2006 @ 1:56 pm
thank you for sharing…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:01 pmLove this
I’m bipartisan
July 28th, 2006 at 2:02 pmI’ll hug your elephant
If you kiss my ass
These are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center - what’s it going to be?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:05 pmIsrael needs to compromise with Lebanon….I mean Hezbollah.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:05 pmHonestly, I think Bush saying that we’re attacking the ‘root’ causes of this endless violence is one of the smartest things I’ve ever heard him say at a press conference.
I agree with that pursuit. Yet I profoundly disagree with the way that strategy has been implemented. I have always thought this war on terror should be fought as a ‘covert’ war. Not the typical all guns blazing, bombs exploding schtick of the U.S. military.
God damn those Rambo movies!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:06 pmBUSH: It’s an interesting period because, instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability.
NO… we absolutely do NOT have such a policy…
as evidence: you defeat it with a more hopeful ideology called freedom.
BULLSHIT.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:06 pmBush is the antichrist. Get you rapture suits pressed.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:07 pmWe have a foreign policy?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:07 pmwe have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability. - Our National Shrub
“foreign policy” = whatever the military wants, the military gets
“addresses” = cultivates
“root causes” = covert CIA activity
Got it.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:07 pm#25, katy,
Keep your shirt on! Last thing this war needs is a hysterical woman.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:08 pmThese are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center - what’s it going to be?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
Yes it really is that simple. NOT. Save the party speeches for the beer hall Jason.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:09 pm#12
Nicely written, but it’s the all too familiar, “Criticism and no answers” comment.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:09 pm#30, Brian,
Clearly, you stand with the Islamo-fascists - bow to Allah!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:09 pm“Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center “
Ooh!! you mean we’re finally going to get Osama Bin Laden?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:10 pm#33, June,
I would settle for sweeping clean the socialist / communists in this country that would have had us disarm our military after 9/11, instead of taking down the Taliban and Al Quieda strongholds in Afghanistan.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:11 pmWhat Bush has been saying…
Bush just declared war on Syria and Iran. He just announced that he is going to send forces (multi-national) to literally fight and destroy Hezbollah in the name of the UN. (Shades of Korea 1949) This of course will further unite the Arab world to fight the “Crusaders.” All the while Sunni’s and Shia’s will unit to attack our troops in Iraq so we cannot launch a direct attack on Iran.
Please tell every person in this county of military age to get their affairs in order. They could be receiving their orders to report to military induction stations in the next six months.
Bush believes this is World War III. And unless we change course in November, his “view” may become reality.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:12 pm[…] The foreign policy of the most powerful nation this planet has ever seen is being managed by a man who is making it up as he goes along. Witness President Bush’s interaction with NBC’s David Gregory this morning. Gregory asked the President why the new era of “Arab-Israeli peace” that the invasion of Iraq was supposed to usher in doesn’t seem to be happening. […]
July 28th, 2006 at 2:13 pm#30, Brian,
Clearly, you stand with the Islamo-fascists - bow to Allah!
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
No, I’m an equal opportunity fascist despiser. Islamo, Christo or just plain common or garden KKK like yourself, I have nothing but contempt for the lot of you:-)
July 28th, 2006 at 2:14 pm“taking down the Taliban and Al Quieda strongholds in Afghanistan.”
How did that working out for you?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pmEnlightened diplomacy and foreign policy were replaced by reckless, jingoistic, mad cowboy disease when the dolt was appointed to office. To place the leadership of the American government in the hands of an ignoramus like Bush will be singularly noteworthy as the greatest mistake the Amercan people have made in their history. It was predictable. What has happened around the world to American prestige and domestically to our country is a tragedy of galactic proportions. Rice is in over her head as Secretary of State as she was when she was “Security Advisor”. The substance of her “degrees” could have been earned by anyone willing to read the front pages of the newpapers and watch the history channel. She was reluctant to go to the middle east to try to end the strife and was unabashedly incompetent by saying “who would have thought that they would have flown an airliner into a building”, after receiving a warning a month prior to its occurence. If ignorance is bliss–’Tis folly to be wise.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pmBush+Cheney = Pinky & the Brain
TexasJuice
July 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pmJason, your “with us or against us” line makes you sound like some kind of crusading fascist to me. Very simple minded.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pmThe other day Bush said that the “root cause” was the terrorists wanting to defeat the growing democracy ( or “spread of freedom” whatever that is) in the Middle East. He doesn’t have a clue WHAT the root causes are for this centuries old conflict. He can’t see past 9/11 and his view of the War on Terra. You can’t defeat age old religious and ethinic conflicts with his view of “spreading democracy”. His schoolboy approach to a deep seeded conflict is contributing to mass chaos and destruction and I fear for the future of the Middle East.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:16 pmBush+Cheney = Pinky & the Brain
TexasJuice
Comment by TexasJuice — July 28, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
Too kind … more like pinky and the scrotum …. no sign of a brain anywhere.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:17 pmI would settle for sweeping clean the socialist / communists in this country that would have had us disarm our military after 9/11, instead of taking down the Taliban and Al Quieda strongholds in Afghanistan.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
July 28th, 2006 at 2:18 pmYour hero, Commander Codpiece, chose NOT to take down the Taliban and Al Quaeda strongholds in Afghanistan. He gave them a bloody nose, let Osama get away, then decided he liked beating up on small tinpot dictators better. If you have a bone to pick, pick it with El Shrubo
socialist / communists
Define those terms quick now, no looking it up.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — July 28, 2006 @ 2:14 pm
Sheesh 5 minutes … you really are a clueless gobshite.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:18 pm“he seemed to have some kind of response ready…”
Look to his ear, do you see it?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:18 pmBUSH: It’s an interesting period because, instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability.
These policies being invading and occupying Iraq, killing 30,000-100,000 of it’s people, locking a bunch more of them (including children) up in prisons, and allowing our military to act like Nazi soldiers by slapping their hand if they get caught. Abandoning any effort for an even-handed approach to solve the problems between Israel and Palestine (especially the current Gaza nightmare). Then giving Israel plenty of time to kill Lebanese civilians (by refusing to accept an effort to negotiate an immediate ceasefire), while rushing them the weapons..including bunker buster bombs…to do so.
Everyday is “opposite” day for Bush & Friends.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:18 pmThis is not a policy, its a C R U S A D E !
July 28th, 2006 at 2:20 pmBush: we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability
Me: WE ARE THE ROOT CAUSE OF VIOLENCE AND INSTABILITY
I just don’t get it. Please explain how we are bringing peace to the region by convincing ever more people to fight each other and ever more people to hate us for causing all these people to fight?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:20 pm38 (- the “ing”)
The saying “fighting for Peace is like f@ck!ng for your virginity” never rang more true. These guys are totally insane.
The Arab world is now more “emboldened” than ever. As much as they want it to, it just doesn’t work.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:20 pmHave you EVER wondered, dear boy Jason, why a guerilla regime, who we funded/backed in order to “protect” Afghanistan from the Commie scum incursion, would now want to murder you and me?
Our foreign policy BREEDS the hatred we now face. But since you choose to live your life with blinders on and refuse to try to comprehend other civilizatins cultures and motivations, your doomed to a life of fear, loathing and war/murder.
Your type (doomsdayers) scare me. You or the terrorists. I don’t see much of a difference. Pure hatred. Fear. Confusion and misunderstanding.
You fill me with hopelessness.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:21 pmInteresting Freudian panties (oops, I mean slip) on the part of Fox - in the screen shot it says “compliment” rather than “complement”…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:21 pm#38, June,
Well, since 9/11/2001, we have not had another terrorist attack on American soil, so it’s worked out just fine.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:22 pmReply to Jason M. Hendler:
These are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center - what’s it going to be?
I stand firmly with the United States, against George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Donals Rumsfeld, Condi Rice, and the rest of the neoconservative fascists who did indeed blow up the World Trade Center. Thanks for asking.
(Oh, and by the way, Jason, your junta’s “official version of events” states that the World Trade Center was brought down by jets crashing into them, not from being ‘blown up’. Try to keep your propaganda straight.)
July 28th, 2006 at 2:23 pmDid no one notice that FOCH’S NEWS doesn’t know the English language?
It’s COMPLEMENT, not compliment.
“Force needs to serve as compliment to diplomacy.” — FOCH’S intellectuals
Oh? Well, thanks, my middle finger IS long.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:23 pmSKdA, let me be the first to complement you.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:24 pm“It’s an interesting period”
Newsflash Mr. President: foreign policy is not a vacation spa!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:24 pmI just don’t get it. Please explain how we are bringing peace to the region by convincing ever more people to fight each other and ever more people to hate us for causing all these people to fight?
Comment by Amyfw — July 28, 2006 @ 2:20 pm
It’s a WWII strategy the Germans employed. Basically behave like such utter bastards, that eventually the entire world unites against you resulting in a catalysmic world war.
Once all the enthusiastic war monger types are dead (comes from not keeping the head down), then the remaining sensible, survivial oriented humans can discuss an improved world order.
It’s what we call a long term “own goal” strategy, and it really works.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:24 pm#50, DNFP,
In the 80’s, we were fighting the communist expansion, now we are fighting the spread of Islamo-fascism. If you don’t believe it, look at Ethiopia trying to suppress the islamo-fascists from crossing the border from Somolia, or the Islamo-fascists in the Sudan who are destablizing Chad. Africa will fall into the hands of muslims, because no Western power cares what happens there, but Western powers do care about the oil and trade routes in the middle east.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:26 pmWell, since 9/11/2001, we have not had another terrorist attack on American soil, so it’s worked out just fine.-Hendler
Worked out just fine? Are you serious? Do you think the average Iraqi citizen would agree with you? How about people living in northern Israel? Southern Lebanon? Are you that simple-minded?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:26 pmMadashell: That’s really funny. It would make a great bumper sticker.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:27 pmBush et al want Isreal’s foriegn policy to be the same as US foriegn policy. Invade and to hell with what the rest of the world thinks. Bush et al were very jealous of the way Isreal kidnapps Palistinians and Lebonese and hides them in some prison so they managed to create Guantonama (bad spelling sorry) Bay. I guess Bush and Isreal just keep trading good ideas!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:27 pmJason, do have anything creative to say? You seem to be just recycling the republican talking points- “you are with us or against us”, “no attacks since…” blah blah blah. You need to read John Dean’s new book to understand why you are like that. RWA
July 28th, 2006 at 2:27 pmAfrica will fall into the hands of muslims, because no Western power cares what happens there, but Western powers do care about the oil and trade routes in the middle east.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
Depressingly true, all the more reason to jettison the oil addiction ASAP.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:28 pmAre you that simple-minded?
Comment by DrSinker — July 28, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
Why yes he is!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:28 pmJason,
So, I have your guarantee that will last… excellent.
The fact is we have created more terrorists with our “War on Terror” than ever existed before. It is only a matter of time before we are attacked again and next time it will be by someone who is even more pissed because we killed one of their family members.
So, if or when we have another attack on American soil will you change your mind, or is that just a hollow talking point?
The proof backs me up in that there are more terrorists who hate America now, but unfortunately because of your (type) of lust for blood and blind vengeance, there will never be any proof of the alternative.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:29 pmBush foreign policy strategy: Throw gasoline on the fire and see how big it can grow.
Heckuva blaze, Bush!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:29 pmJason M. Hendler - lives in a black and white world.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:29 pmThese are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center - what’s it going to be?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
Gee, this sounds so familiar…where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, “”Over time it’s going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity,” he said. “You’re either with us or against us in the fight against terror.” Bush–Nov. 2001.
As for me, I’m on the side of peace and against the facists that I am beginning to believe were complicit in blowing up the World Trade Center.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:30 pmI don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m having a lot of trouble “managing my calm” these days. Bush and his policies are so infuriating, so frustrating - how can it get any worse?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:31 pmBUSH: It’s an interesting period because, instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability.
I don’t think those words should be in there.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:31 pm#59, Dr,
June asked how it worked out for me, so I answered that specific question. As for how it has worked out for Iraqi’s, the Kurds are doing very well, as are the Shia (sp?) in the southeast. It’s the Sunni’s and the Shia in and around Baghdad that are fighting it out, and I would wager that the Shia are better served by the democratically elected government than under Saddam. The losers are Saddam’s Sunnis, who were vicious to the other ethnic groups in Iraq, so don’t ask me to feel sorry for them.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:31 pmI don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m having a lot of trouble “managing my calm†these days. Bush and his policies are so infuriating, so frustrating - how can it get any worse?
Comment by DrSinker — July 28, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
The fondest wish of the neocons WWIII (or maybe IV)
July 28th, 2006 at 2:32 pmQuote:These are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center - what’s it going to be?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
Apparently our administration is on the side of the Islamo-fascists (you buzzword monkey) due to the fact that they aren’t willing to intervene on anyone’s behalf. Oh, wait, they do intevene on thie OWN behalf… so your comment does apply in a sick c-odependant kind of way.
Be careful with those kinds of arguments and statements. They could get you involved in all sorts of unexpected violence and conflict… just ask your president how well they worked out for him.
Arrogant bag of wind, why should we care what you think if you don’t care what we think…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:32 pmSeems to me that the root cause of all problems in the Middle East (and, in fact, a vast majority of the world throughout history) is religion.
So Bush is saying that his foreign policy is going to eliminate religion in order to bring peace?
I think I can live with that …
July 28th, 2006 at 2:33 pm#10 - Bush: On the one hand…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:34 pmOkay, okay, where is the the other hand? I couldn’t find it. - - It was up Tony Blair’s back.
Bush idea of managing calm is interesting. . . his push for war in the middle east has been building for a long time:
Bush is simply the monkey boy for the neocons….they love war and now they’ve managed to create one. Whata a wonderful world bush has “managed” to create.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:35 pm“how can it get any worse?”
Please don’t ask that question.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:35 pmVideo is working now, FYI.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:35 pmYes, the “blame America first” crowd wants to believe the US deserved the attacks of 9/11, and that terrorists are “nice” people, if we just did everything they wanted us to do, including convert to Islam and oppress our women with viels and burkas.
Is this a subconscious cry of feminists to finally be taken by force and dominated? Have American men been too nice by “letting” women work like dogs in soulless companies as we have?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:36 pmIn other words, Bush is saying that the new “plan” is to pretend that the previous plans never existed, and then act like whatever new plan his cabal can come up with along the way was the plan all along.
Right out of “1984″. And utterly pathetically predictable.
The sooner we kick this idiot out of office, the sooner we can restore some sanity to the world.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:38 pm78. OMG - what a no nothing piece of crap. You KNOW NOTHING about the middle east. Nothing. Neither does your king.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:39 pmQuote:#38, June,
Well, since 9/11/2001, we have not had another terrorist attack on American soil, so it’s worked out just fine.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:22 pm
And I have my tiger whistle right here. It works wonders. I blow on it and no tigers appear. It obviously works well at keeping tigers away.
Your logic has more holes in it than a UN observation post in Lebanon… and the results will be the same.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:39 pmThe “take America to War first, then ask questions” crowd wants us to believe that our involvement with the Middle East began on 9/11.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:39 pm“Be afraid for freedom.”
July 28th, 2006 at 2:39 pm- George W. (”bin Laden’s bitch”) Bush
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Well, since 9/11/2001, we have not had another terrorist attack on American soil, so it’s worked out just fine.
can you say October surpise?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:40 pmIn other words, Bush is saying that the new “plan†is to pretend that the previous plans never existed …
Not exactly. Bush claimed to be seeking a new era of peace, or that we would be greeted in Iraq with flowers and candy.
Now that’s it’s a mess, they have to pretend that that was the idea all along. Idiots like the “blame America first” bot above will defend anything. It’s the only thing that makes them useful.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:41 pm.
I hope Jason doesn’t kick his dog again to get rid of his paranoid delusional frustrations.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:42 pmthe 80’s, we were fighting the communist expansion, now we are fighting the spread of Islamo-fascism. If you don’t believe it, look at Ethiopia trying to suppress the islamo-fascists from crossing the border from Somolia, or the Islamo-fascists in the Sudan who are destablizing Chad. Africa will fall into the hands of muslims, because no Western power cares what happens there, but Western powers do care about the oil and trade routes in the middle east.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
July 28th, 2006 at 2:42 pmIn other words, you admit that the purpose of the “War on Terror” is control of the oil and trade routes in the middle east.
so Bush was basically saying:
I don’t care how many people die…Just stay the course, and we’ll turn the corner
Well, we’ve been turning the god damn corner for 3 years now, and things have gotten even worse.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:42 pmMadashell, I have that bumper sticker on my tailgate along with many others. The latest one going on today is Doing my part to piss off the relegious right…….Blessings….Peace, demand it.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:42 pmCome on this guy is high.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:43 pmIs this a subconscious cry of feminists to finally be taken by force and dominated? Have American men been too nice by “letting†women work like dogs in soulless companies as we have?-Hendler
Jason, nobody here is going to be impressed by you channeling Rush Limbaugh. Seriously, give it a rest. This is perhaps the dumbest thing I’ve ever read here, and that’s saying a lot given some of the Norwegian trolls who visit.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:43 pm“Well, we’ve been turning the god damn corner for 3 years now”
When you turn the corner enough times you end up walking in circles…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:44 pm78. OMG - what a no nothing piece of crap. You KNOW NOTHING about the middle east. Nothing. Neither does your king.
Comment by madashell #81
madashell,
If that 78. is referring to a post #…
…I’m going to assume that you’ve made an error…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:45 pm#87, impeach,
You are right, I forgot to mention the powerful political force within the US the causes the most powerful of both parties to support Israel no matter what, so it isn’t just oil and trade. Oh, and then there is the security concern that islamo-fascist might hit the US again.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:46 pm, the “blame America first†crowd wants to believe the US deserved the attacks of 9/11, and that terrorists are “nice†people, if we just did everything they wanted us to do, including convert to Islam and oppress our women with viels and burkas.
Is this a subconscious cry of feminists to finally be taken by force and dominated? Have American men been too nice by “letting†women work like dogs in soulless companies as we have?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:36 pm
Wow. Read a lot of Ann Coulter? Stick with the “for us or against us” comments. They don’t sound half as stupid. Try a cogent argument that can’t be simply turned around to show the hipocracy of your own statements…
Have American women been too tolerant of bigoted chauvanists by “letting” them talk out of their assholes and oppress them?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:47 pmwe were fighting the communist expansion, now we are fighting the spread of Islamo-fascism.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
The spread of “Islamo-Fascism”? I thought it was the “war on terror”.
If you don’t believe it, look at Ethiopia trying to suppress the islamo-fascists from crossing the border from Somolia,
Islam is one of the largest religions in Ethiopia, and has been for the longest time.
or the Islamo-fascists in the Sudan who are destablizing Chad.
Islam is the largest religion in both Chad, and Sudan. It has been for the longest time.
Africa will fall into the hands of muslims,
I didn’t realise this was a religious world war. What is this, Crusade #10?
Yeah, let’s fight the big, bad Muslim conspiracy to take over Africa… (???)
July 28th, 2006 at 2:47 pmHendler: Let’s get serious. If a competent person were in the White House prior to 9/11, there would not have been an attack. After repeated warnings in the PDBs given to the dolt by the equally incompetent “security advisor”, please tell me why more stringent measures were not put in place at least one month prior to the attack on the Towers. Oh, I forgot the entire Bush administration was on vacation for a full month before the attack. As far as security measures are concerned, Bush was asleep prior to and following the tragedy in New York as he was during Katrina. He has ignored the recommendations of the 9/11 commission to close the ports and borders to terrorism and was reluctant to appear before it. He has made deals with nations who have aided and harbored terrorists. Homeland Security Department is a joke. He has championed amnesty for illegals without regard if terrorists are among them. The #l terrorist is still alive and appears on TV. Terrorism is growing around the world and the Taliban is back in business. Osama has performed his mischief. The nation is divided and in economic, political and social turmoil. Another attack is not needed. He can sit back and laugh at the US involvement in Iraq–his former enemy, where the United States’ treasure is squandered and its blood is spent in a meaningless “war”.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:49 pmwow, watched the video, could that answer have been more vacuous and evasive. painful to watch
July 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pmComment by technodaoist - And I have my tiger whistle right here. It works wonders. I blow on it and no tigers appear. It obviously works well at keeping tigers away.
Perfect! This absolutely cracked me up!!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pmJason: “anthrax”. Look it up, you might learn something.
Of course, you’re going to have it both ways - no terrorism in the US means that Bush’s policies are working, and terrorism in the US means that we aren’t supporting Bush enough! A nice, circular doctrine, impentrable to facts or logic.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pmGregor, I believe JMH’s grasp of history starts in 1999.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pm#52- to the contrary, we have had terrorists attack the U.S. since 9/11. They’re called the “Bush administration”. They crap on the Constitution, incite illegal wars that have resulted in the deaths of many thousands of innocent people, torture their prisoners, spy on their countrymen, and have dragged the United States down to the level of a third-world dictatorship. If that isn’t terrorism, I don’t know what is.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pmQuote:so Bush was basically saying:
I don’t care how many people die…Just stay the course, and we’ll turn the corner
Well, we’ve been turning the god damn corner for 3 years now, and things have gotten even worse.
Comment by Jebus loves me — July 28, 2006 @ 2:42 pm
Turn the corner three times and you’re right back where you started… Except we spent the surplus while out wandering around corners…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:51 pmAfrica will fall into the hands of muslims, because no Western power cares what happens there, but Western powers do care about the oil and trade routes in the middle east.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
If it is so important to keep the muslims at bay and out of Africa, why Bolton has skipped his duties as a UN representative in the trips there? To attend a private bussiness meeting in the UK! So you mean than Bolton is a traitorous rat who is crippling the GWOT performed by the Bush Cabinet?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:52 pmThis guy is pathetic. Does anyone understand anything he says when he attempts to discuss an important issue? Keep drinking the kool-aid, America.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:52 pmYes, the “blame America first†crowd wants to believe the US deserved the attacks of 9/11, and that terrorists are “nice†people,
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:36 pm
Strawman arguments #1, 2, and 3
if we just did everything they wanted us to do, including convert to Islam and oppress our women with viels and burkas.
If we did…. then what? At rate, strawman argument #4.
Is this a subconscious cry of feminists to finally be taken by force and dominated?
Rhetorical question, strawman argument #5
Have American men been too nice by “letting†women work like dogs in soulless companies as we have?
Rhetorical question, strawman argument #6
Wow…. all those words and no substance at all…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:54 pmJason - You are right, I forgot to mention the powerful political force within the US the causes the most powerful of both parties to support Israel no matter what, so it isn’t just oil and trade. Oh, and then there is the security concern that islamo-fascist might hit the US again.
That political force you mention are political donations from an extremely powerful lobby within (and outside of) the U.S. Still boils down to $$$. The security concern is fear whipped up and used against the American people by our own leaders. Wake up, Jason.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:55 pm9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 Bush is the master of spin. Everything he’s ever done, he’s run into the ground.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:57 pmWhoa, whoa, whoa …..
I am NOT saying stop the muslims in Africa. Quite the contrary, they can have it, because outside of Nigerian oil, there is little economic or security interest in that region for us. I AM saying that security (War on Terror), economic (oil) and political (Israel) reasons compel the US to be involved in the middle east.
Even if you eliminate the US need for oil (which will be nearly impossible), and eliminate Al Quieda (which will take years), the political impetus for the US to defend Israel will still keep us there.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:58 pmGeorge Bush has failed to learn what Queen Elizabeth I of England knew “I hate wars they are so unpredictable”. And after starting two wars neither of which turned out according to his predictions, he should have learnt this the hard way.
Dhanging topic, has anyone notice GWB getting stupid? I never thought he was well bright, but other people have told me that when running for governor of Texas he actually debated quite well with Ann Richardson.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:59 pmQuote:Jason - You are right, I forgot to mention the powerful political force within the US the causes the most powerful of both parties to support Israel no matter what, so it isn’t just oil and trade. Oh, and then there is the security concern that islamo-fascist might hit the US again.
That political force you mention are political donations from an extremely powerful lobby within (and outside of) the U.S. Still boils down to $$$. The security concern is fear whipped up and used against the American people by our own leaders. Wake up, Jason.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — July 28, 2006 @ 2:55 pm
You words ring true… Crisis manufactured by our leaders? Hmmm… sounds like standard Problem-Reaction-Solution scenario to me…
July 28th, 2006 at 3:00 pmMSNBC LIVE POLL - SHOULD BUSH BE IMPEACHED?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/
A couple of minutes ago, 87% say YOU BET.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:00 pmJason
You tough guy BS is over, hell it never began. Your tough guys have emptied your treasury, and given you less for your tax buck (whether you pay now or later) then any liberal government ever has. Hell, for all that you have agreed to Bush’s spending on foreign adventures, where is Osama?
For all of that spending on rebuilding Iraq, a country that didn’t have to be broken in the first place, where is Osama? In Afghanistan? Now the poppy fields supply Europe. Your enemies multiply as you say “For us or against us” and fewer and fewer are for you. Even your allies hate you. Even those countries that were willing to fight by America’s side no matter how weak the case, have turned against you, not out of their failing, but out of America’s failing.
Even Poland is no longer the ally it once was. WWII has been paid for, the debts are settled, and now America is alone. Your preferred foreign policy is hurting America, and you claim to be so great and so grand, the story is over. When you gave up your constitution to Bush, when you agreed to give up your rights for your security, deep within you America was over. The sick caricature, the nation nobody wants to emulate replaced it, America is dead, long live Amerika.
Now those same nations you most revile you most depend on, those same scientists you damn for their data are the same scientists who made America great, and the same liberals you so hate for everything they have been right about, are the same liberals you need to fix things now that you have so marred them.
But you will not turn, you will not allow a change of course because you are proud, proud and foolish as a titan before he falls. You are a neo-con, which isn’t a new breed of conservative, just an old breed of fool, the same fool who voted Nazi, the same fool who voted Nat, the same fool who votes Zanu-PF, the same fool who has supported all of histories strongmen and thugs. Have your world war, have your ruination and hate, have all that you beg for, have it and enjoy because I for one, want none of it.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:00 pmmoderated by admin
July 28th, 2006 at 3:00 pmJust viewed the video. . . . talk about a script. . . . Bush: “Well, David, to answer your question of why is appears that the US has no influence in the middle east. These people hate freedom and attacked us on 9-11 Next question.” What? Geeze, he is getting dummer by the day!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:02 pm#109, Skeptic,
GWB “debated well” by staying on his four talking points and not gettng pulled into arguments on other topics, for which Ann Richardson was not prepared. Gradually, libs have learned to either make their own soundbites in their questions, or not ask what GWB wants, to keep it at the draw we’ve seen for years.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:02 pmEven if you eliminate the US need for oil (which will be nearly impossible), and eliminate Al Quieda (which will take years), the political impetus for the US to defend Israel will still keep us there.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:58 pm
If would be less of a waste of yours and everbody else’s time if you tried to keep your comments coherent, like this last one.
Now, why do you think the US needs to defend Israel? The relationship seems very one-sided, with Israel reaping all the benefits (weapons, money, political support, etc) and the US receiving no perceivable benefit.
Is it a sensible policy to (politically) stand by Israel no matter what?
July 28th, 2006 at 3:04 pmHezbullah Wants an
July 28th, 2006 at 3:07 pmImmediate Cease-Fire
#112, Bruce,
LOL - scientists and liberals are going to fix things? I have never known either to be part of any solution, much less the sole provider of a solution. Liberals demagogue and filibuster and protest and commit acts of civil disobedience - but you think they have a solution? Scientist putter around and poke at things and scribble notes, but they don’t fix anything either.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:07 pmGradually, libs have learned to either make their own soundbites in their questions, or not ask what GWB wants, to keep it at the draw we’ve seen for years.-Hendler
Gradually, right-wingers have learned to either make up their own facts to support their arguments, or pretend that up is down, black is white, whatever allows GWB to stay on top in their own dimented view of the world.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:07 pmI hope Jason doesn’t kick his dog again to get rid of his paranoid delusional frustrations.
Comment by dlet — July 28, 2006 @ 2:42 pm
i hope he finds a civil way to help release those pent up,
July 28th, 2006 at 3:08 pmfrustrating delusions of sexual fantasy…
#116, Greg,
I have no comment on the sense of supporting Israel, just point out the political reality that Hill’reh and leading Dems as well as most all Republicans sing in one chorus on supporting Israel.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:09 pmScientist putter around and poke at things and scribble notes, but they don’t fix anything either. JMH
Pssssst! Throw your computer away NOW, RIGHT NOW.
You have ZERO credibility, ig-no-ray-mus.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:09 pm“Free Market” Ideology Has Killed Thousands in Iraq
Bush’s plans to subject Iraq to the most radical forms of capitalism are as responsible as the war itself for the destruction of Iraq.
Iraqis have been brutalized not only by bombs and bullets; they’ve also been the victims of economic violence in the form of the free market “shock therapy” cooked up by a firm in Virginia on a $250 million no-bid contract before the U.S. invasion. Tranforming Iraq’s economy overnight was a matter of ideology trumping commonsense, and it’s killed thousands of innocent Iraqis and shattered a way of life for hundreds of thousands more.
That the radical restructuring of Iraq’s political economy has received so little critical attention - even as Iraq’s nascent government threatens to crash and burn - is a testament to how deeply indoctrinated we are -especially our media - in the narrative of what “American-style” capitalism is. It was taken as a given that after knocking off Saddam, we’d rapidly privatize huge swaths of Iraq’s national companies, get rid of hundreds of thousands of civil servants, completely restructure the country’s tax and finance laws and throw Iraq’s economy wide open for foreign multinationals. File it under bringing “democracy and capitalism” to the poor, backward Arabs.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:10 pm…staying on his four talking points …
And what if those talking points don’t even close to answering the question? He doesn’t have to answer?
…not gettng pulled into arguments on other topics, for which Ann Richardson was not prepared…
Wow - you do realize that the your statement means that Bush was not prepared for other questions than his “four talking points”, right?
…or not ask what GWB wants…
Yes, of course… he should only be asked the questions that he wants to answer.
Keep trying. It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and prove yourself one…
July 28th, 2006 at 3:10 pmThat TEARS IT!! The President of the United States is absolutely insane. Only in Repugnant world gould a shooting war, where innocents are being targeted, be “better” than harbored resentment.
What a DICK!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:10 pmBush is the real root cause. Israel is the cancer.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:11 pmDont fret so much folks.
Condie is on her way. This time she will give two piano recitals.
Karen Hughes will flap her lips, as will Tony Snowball and all will be well again.
Cheney is still hiding in his bunker, afraid the terrist are after him. God, the nightmares that man must have.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:11 pmmoderated by admin
July 28th, 2006 at 3:12 pmHonestly, I’m glad they stopped the gung ho crap. Americans don’t care about the Mideast. They can stop pretending.
Why don’t Palestinians just move somewhere where they are welcome? -Ed Schultz
Ed Schultz is not only the best progressive radio talk show. It’s the best talk show -Senator Harry Reid
July 28th, 2006 at 3:16 pmJason: “try fixing up your hair, putting on a revealing, flattering chemise - and, of course, a skirt with nylons and heels, and try something new - act feminine - you know, like a woman. Maybe that will get you a man.” - - Yep, most likely a misogynist, an over-bearing abusive macho dickhead, or a Promise Keeper type.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:16 pmJason M. Hendler
Nice to see you know where your computer, your type-faced language, your internet, your phone line and your electricity all come from. You condemn a proud history of study, learning and thought because you are incapable of all three.
And you condemn liberals the same, because you cannot comprehend that solutions can be reached.
Your ideology is a failure, and you cannot change your ideology so you continue to fail. I’ll say one thing for what is a liberal, we can change, and that is why we fix the things that you neo-cons break. We move forward, you only move backwards, ever backwards into oblivion.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:20 pm#120, katy,
There you go again, associating me with sex. I probably shouldn’t respond, because that is what you so desparately want - my attention. Are you still so socially clumsy, that you have to hit the boy with your school bag to get his attention?
Let me help you - try fixing up your hair, putting on a revealing, flattering chemise - and, of course, a skirt with nylons and heels, and try something new - act feminine - you know, like a woman. Maybe that will get you a man.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 3:12 pm
Seems Jason knows alot about what it takes to get a man…
Hmmmm….
July 28th, 2006 at 3:21 pmOn the one hand, it is interesting to see Pres Bush setting on a new foreign policy, hence demonstrating he knows when not to stay the course.
On the other hand, I want to see this new foreign policy addressing this issue at its “root cause”:
July 28th, 2006 at 3:22 pmBut if U.S. congressional leaders have learned not to expect quick fixes in Iraq, many were shocked that Maliki, in the course of a visit to Washington seeking greater assistance, publicly broke with the Administration’s position on Lebanon. Maliki, addressing the media, was very clear that he blamed the crisis on “Israeli aggression,” and he declined to criticize Hizballah.
How the Lebanon Crisis Complicates U.S. Prospects in Iraq
MSNBC LIVE POLL - SHOULD BUSH BE IMPEACHED?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/
A couple of minutes ago, 87% say YOU BET.
Comment by Danton — July 28, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
I smell blood…
July 28th, 2006 at 3:22 pm“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:23 pm-George W. Bush, (June 18, 2002, speech)
#132,
Scientists may have discovered electricity and transistors, but they didn’t create the products that consumers use. It takes someone with a true business acumen to achieve that.
Case and point on liberals - Madeline “Battle Axe” Albright went to North Korea, and traded nuclear technology for empty promises. The liberal solution is NO solution, and tends to harm us in its naivety.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:24 pmBush and all BubbleHeads alike are pyschopaths!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:26 pm#118: Liberals demagogue and filibuster and protest and commit acts of civil disobedience - but you think they have a solution?
Democrats adopt legislation and propose solutions, but most of them die in Republican-controlled committees before they ever come up for a vote. That doesn’t mean that they don’t have ideas; what it means is that thir ideas simply aren’t given consideration by Republicans.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:27 pmThese are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center - what’s it going to be?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
Why are people like you so hell-bent on labeling this a World War? And, by the way, standing with and for the United States means impeaching BushCo, the whole lot of them. Because BushCo started this nonsense in the first place. I firmly believe BushCo was part and parcel involved in 9/11. You think you and yours are going to heaven when this is all done? Think again. If we don’t stop BushCo NOW, there will be no heaven, only hell on earth. Is that what it’s going to take to get you people to wake up? For the sake of humanity, I certainly hope not.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:27 pm#132,
Scientists may have discovered electricity and transistors, but they didn’t create the products that consumers use. It takes someone with a true business acumen to achieve that.
Folks this is progress, of a sort. We’ve peeled back a layer of the onion thats is Jason and exposed a clear cut contempt for science. Lets remember that for the future.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:27 pmGWB: On the one hand, we will protect ourselves from further attack in the short run by being aggressive in chasing down the killers and bringing them to justice.
One might ask, “What about the other hand?”
Oh! I found it! He’s using it to stick a shiv in America’s back.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:29 pmGET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT - JMH. Your ignorance and rhertoric only goes to show what little you know. Your master Bush is who IGNORED KIM these last SIX YEARS, and undid ALL the DIPLOMACY (Look up that word, dude), that was begun in Clinton’s administration.
That the Albright visit took place was itself a surprise. It came about almost at the last minute, taking less than 10 days to arrange. But the trip was as historic as it was hasty. The meeting between Kim and Albright, who is the highest-ranking U.S. official to visit North Korea, would have been unimaginable not so long ago and was a further sign that Pyongyang is trying to abandon its label as a rogue terrorist state. For her part, Albright was eager to win concessions from Kim — namely, promises that Pyongyang would stop its missile program and end its support of terrorism. The trip was also seen as paving the way for U.S. President Bill Clinton to visit North Korea before leaving office.
Cozying Up to Pyongyang
July 28th, 2006 at 3:29 pmBut Kim Jong Il remains as elusive as ever
By LAXMI NAKARMI Seoul
Comment by GSD — July 28, 2006 @ 3:23 pm
Poor George. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth. -Former Texas Governor Ann Richards
July 28th, 2006 at 3:30 pmHendler is one of those Rush Limp-baugh Republicans. You know, they take trips with “the boys” to poor nations known for their illegal sex industry on a private plane loaded with Viagra. You know, sounds like good Christian goings on.
Sort of like the father of Norm Coleman(R-Wellestone Assassin), you know, an 81 year old man of good standing who has sex with women in public.
GOP-Group Of Perverts.
-GSD
July 28th, 2006 at 3:30 pm…Africa…outside of Nigerian oil, there is little economic or security interest in that region for us.
gee, i wonder why pat robertson is so interested in the gold and diamond mines… africa’s natural resources are incredibly rich - that’s why despots forever have been stealing those people blind… but they are learning about their natural wealth - hopefully soon enough…
July 28th, 2006 at 3:30 pm#141, Brian,
I have a contempt for those who believe science is the answer to everything. I’ve watched too many scientists kill business opportunities to allow that myth to perpetuate itself. As for Edison, he is accused of stealing other’s ideas and profiting off them himself.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#96 Nova16
July 28th, 2006 at 3:33 pmVery well said thanks for that
So Hendler, do you stand with George W. Bush who embraces the Islamic dictator of Pakistan that is now ramping up his nuclear bomb prorgam? Or do you stand with George W. Bush who holds the hands and walks through fields of flowers with the Islamic Saudi oil kings who support and bankroll Al Qaeda? Do you support Dandy Don Rumsfeld who bent to pressure from Bin Laden and pulled out American bases from Saudi Arabia in the most untalked about “cut and run” maneuver in US military history?
-GSD
July 28th, 2006 at 3:33 pm“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace.”
-George W. Bush
This statement could only be scarier if Shrub could locate Oceania on a map…
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July 28th, 2006 at 3:34 pmGOP-Group Of Perverts.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — July 28, 2006 @ 3:30 pm
have you seen this?
Republican Hypocrisy Revealed
July 28th, 2006 at 3:34 pm#136: Albright went to North Korea, and traded nuclear technology for empty promises.
This is a spectacularly dishonest statement. No member of the Clinton administration, including Albright, ever gave nuclear technology to North Korea.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:35 pmI have a contempt for those who believe science is the answer to everything. I’ve watched too many scientists kill business opportunities to allow that myth to perpetuate itself. As for Edison, he is accused of stealing other’s ideas and profiting off them himself.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 3:32 pm
I’d like to know what has made this person so demented.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:36 pmJason M. Hendler
1st: Inventors (a kind of scientist) created the products which the salesmen then sold. Without the inventor the product wouldn’t exist, so take your acumen and shove it up your ass, your lack of common sense, never mind anything else, shows you for what you are.
2nd: Madeline Albright went to North Korea and got the leader of North Korea to submit to UN inspections after he kicked up his heels and said no. The deal with North Korea included weapons inspections, and besides is no different to Bush’s deal with Iran, it is the same technology being traded on the same terms.
Further, while North Korea and South Korea had moved closer to peace under Clinton, under Bush the two are at each other’s throats once more. North Korea’s reaction to Bush tough talk? It launched rockets, one of them a test rocket for intercontinental strikes.
That is how well neo-cons do when you want someone to solve things.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:36 pmComment by Zooey — July 28, 2006 @ 3:29 pm
lunchtime! and it’s FRIDAY!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#141, Brian,
I have a contempt for those who believe science is the answer to everything.
Good for you, we can agree on something:-)
Unhappily you’ll need to lump Bush and most of the administration in that group, and possibly yourself. When backed into a corner on the subject of global warming or pollution these people invariable kick the can down the road, claiming that “we need take no action because mysterious and amazing new technologies will solve all these problems for us!!!”.
The people that think that “science is a solution for everything” are rarely scientists. They are more generally starry eyed darwinian capitalists of the worst stripe.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#147 Jason,
I have contempt for those who believe that science is the answer to nothing. I’ve watched many business men kill scientific opportunities to allow that myth to perpetuate itself. As for Bush, he accused of ruining businesses and profiting off them himself.
Keep using those broad-stroke brushes to paint your arguments. There’s no way they could be turned around to highlight your ignorance and hipocracy…
July 28th, 2006 at 3:37 pm#149, GSD,
Recently, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have been strong allies in the War On Terror, since both leaders have seen terrorist strikes in their own countries - Musharif narrowly espacing with his life twice. Musharif is a military dictator - not an islamic imman. The Saudi prince is not an islamic imman either.
Don Rumsfeld has been the perfect man for the job, who could care less what cowering liberals say.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:38 pmThese are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center - what’s it going to be?
This sort of you’re-either-with-Bush-or-with-the-terrorists formulation is the last-chance desperate ga