Bush: American Foreign Policy No Longer Seeks to ‘Manage Calm’
Bush: American Foreign Policy No Longer Seeks to ‘Manage Calm’
At today’s press conference, NBC’s David Gregory noted that, three years ago, the Bush administration predicted that “the invasion of Iraq would create a new stage of Arab-Israeli peace,†but that hasn’t happened.
In response, President Bush proudly declared that American foreign policy no longer seeks to “manage calm,” and derided policies that let anger and resentment lie “beneath the surface.” Bush said that the violence in the Middle East was evidence of a more effective foreign policy that addresses “root causes.†Watch it:
UPDATE: The video is now working.
Transcript:
QUESTION: Mr. President, both of you, I’d like to ask you about the big picture that you’re discussing. Mr. President, three years ago, you argued that an invasion of Iraq would create a new stage of Arab-Israeli peace. And yet today there is an Iraqi prime minister who has been sharply critical of Israel.
Arab governments, despite your arguments, who first criticized Hezbollah, have now changed their tune. Now they’re sharply critical of Israel. And despite from both of you warnings to Syria and Iran to back off support from Hezbollah, effectively, Mr. President, your words are being ignored.
So what has happened to America’s clout in this region that you’ve committed yourself to transform?
BUSH: It’s an interesting period because, instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability.
For a while, American foreign policy was just, Let’s hope everything is calm — manage calm. But beneath the surface brewed a lot of resentment and anger that was manifested on September the 11th.
And so we’ve taken a foreign policy that says: On the one hand, we will protect ourselves from further attack in the short run by being aggressive in chasing down the killers and bringing them to justice.
And make no mistake: They’re still out there, and they would like to harm our respective peoples because of what we stand for. In the long term, to defeat this ideology — and they’re bound by an ideology — you defeat it with a more hopeful ideology called freedom.
This guys a total arse, how can america take anymore of his crap
July 28th, 2006 at 1:45 pmWhile our democracy, in the hands of the neocons, moves towards using force to export and expand democracy, those we deem as extremists are using persuasion to democratically assume power. That, in my opinion, is perhaps the epitome of irony. Worse yet, it is an indication that our foreign policy is an unmitigated failure that may well alter the world order for decades.
Read an analysis that discusses the implications of the current U.S. foreign policy and how the neoconservatives have simply leaped over the politics of conflict…here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
July 28th, 2006 at 1:45 pmOur new foreign policy is to let the hate and anger boil over at every opportunity.
Hey, sounds like Bush’s election strategy!
July 28th, 2006 at 1:47 pmWar is peace.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:49 pmCaos == Success
Wow! That’s a strategy only Dr. Evil would pursue.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:49 pmThis foreign policy and its logical outcome was crafted by those who believe in permanent war as a source of empowerment. They are bad people.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:50 pm“On the one hand. . . .” Did he ever get to stateing what was on the other hand?
July 28th, 2006 at 1:51 pmThis is what we get when an idiot that cannot even properly voice a coherent thought is setting US policy.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:52 pmJudd:
The ‘Watch it’ link seems to be defective…just FYI.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:53 pmBush: On the one hand…
Okay, okay, where is the the other hand? I couldn’t find it.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:54 pmHT: Think Progress
DoubleSpeak with Matthew and Peter Slutsky
http://www.doublespeakshow.com/2006/07/28/trapped-in-a-glass-case-of-emotion/
July 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pmI wrote this for the Press Democrat newspaper. Now Think Progress can share it.
Children of a Lesser God
July 27, 2006
The article “Bloody day for Israeli soldiers in Lebanon†is quite an eye opener. The bloody exchange between the Hezbollah fighters and the Israeli soldiers is reaching to epic proportion, worthy of primetime television around the world. Now for the underbelly: Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. For days Rice had refused the call for a cease-fire. Her excuse is that “The fields of the Middle East are littered with broken cease-fires.†I beg to differ: this article is quite clear in its assessment that what are littered in the battlefields are broken bodies and future lives, not cease-fires. What Rice hopes to achieve is the surrender of Hezbollah and Syria outright. Such absurdity is all too obvious: it’s not going to happen anytime soon. This is a fight to the death. Too many lives and hopes have perished for either side to let it go, especially Lebanon. What Rice and the Bush administration hope to gain from all this is World War Three in the Middle East. As in 9/11 President Bush wishes to once again unite the country behind him, at least for the coming November elections. And what is the cost to the Lebanese in all this? For Prime Minister Siniora of Lebanon truer words were never spoken: “Are we the children of a lesser god?â€
July 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pmIs the Idiot-in-Chief capable of speaking an entire paragraph without mentioning September 11? I think not…
July 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pmBush’s puppeteers couldn’t have engineered a better way to destabilize the Middle East, and Bush couldn’t be a better muppet.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pm#10 – Bush: On the one hand…
Okay, okay, where is the the other hand? I couldn’t find it.
Found it! The other hand is in Jeff Gannon’s pants.
July 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pmyou defeat it with a more hopeful ideology called freedom.
If that is the case then shouldn’t we be working with these countries in stead of shooting them and dropping bombs on them or threatening to do so. Here’s freedom…take it…if you don’t we’ll shoot you. So the hopeful idealology they have is that they hope they won’t be killed for a thing called freedom.(whatever that is)
July 28th, 2006 at 1:57 pmFIRE THIS GUY!. He’s drinking his own Kool Aid..
July 28th, 2006 at 1:57 pmjust curious – are the questions given to dubya in advance?
July 28th, 2006 at 1:59 pmhis usual awkwardness aside, he seemed to have some kind of response ready…
Caption Contest Entry:
July 28th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
Comment by Armando Gomez — July 28, 2006 @ 1:56 pm
thank you for sharing…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:01 pmLove this
I’m bipartisan
July 28th, 2006 at 2:02 pmI’ll hug your elephant
If you kiss my ass
These are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:05 pmIsrael needs to compromise with Lebanon….I mean Hezbollah.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:05 pmHonestly, I think Bush saying that we’re attacking the ‘root’ causes of this endless violence is one of the smartest things I’ve ever heard him say at a press conference.
I agree with that pursuit. Yet I profoundly disagree with the way that strategy has been implemented. I have always thought this war on terror should be fought as a ‘covert’ war. Not the typical all guns blazing, bombs exploding schtick of the U.S. military.
God damn those Rambo movies!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:06 pmBUSH: It’s an interesting period because, instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability.
NO… we absolutely do NOT have such a policy…
as evidence: you defeat it with a more hopeful ideology called freedom.
BULLSHIT.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:06 pmBush is the antichrist. Get you rapture suits pressed.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:07 pmWe have a foreign policy?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:07 pmwe have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability. – Our National Shrub
“foreign policy” = whatever the military wants, the military gets
“addresses” = cultivates
“root causes” = covert CIA activity
Got it.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:07 pm#25, katy,
Keep your shirt on! Last thing this war needs is a hysterical woman.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:08 pmThese are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
Yes it really is that simple. NOT. Save the party speeches for the beer hall Jason.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:09 pm#12
Nicely written, but it’s the all too familiar, “Criticism and no answers” comment.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:09 pm#30, Brian,
Clearly, you stand with the Islamo-fascists – bow to Allah!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:09 pm“Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center “
Ooh!! you mean we’re finally going to get Osama Bin Laden?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:10 pm#33, June,
I would settle for sweeping clean the socialist / communists in this country that would have had us disarm our military after 9/11, instead of taking down the Taliban and Al Quieda strongholds in Afghanistan.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:11 pmWhat Bush has been saying…
Bush just declared war on Syria and Iran. He just announced that he is going to send forces (multi-national) to literally fight and destroy Hezbollah in the name of the UN. (Shades of Korea 1949) This of course will further unite the Arab world to fight the “Crusaders.” All the while Sunni’s and Shia’s will unit to attack our troops in Iraq so we cannot launch a direct attack on Iran.
Please tell every person in this county of military age to get their affairs in order. They could be receiving their orders to report to military induction stations in the next six months.
Bush believes this is World War III. And unless we change course in November, his “view” may become reality.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:12 pm[...] The foreign policy of the most powerful nation this planet has ever seen is being managed by a man who is making it up as he goes along. Witness President Bush’s interaction with NBC’s David Gregory this morning. Gregory asked the President why the new era of “Arab-Israeli peace” that the invasion of Iraq was supposed to usher in doesn’t seem to be happening. [...]
July 28th, 2006 at 2:13 pm#30, Brian,
Clearly, you stand with the Islamo-fascists – bow to Allah!
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
No, I’m an equal opportunity fascist despiser. Islamo, Christo or just plain common or garden KKK like yourself, I have nothing but contempt for the lot of you:-)
July 28th, 2006 at 2:14 pm“taking down the Taliban and Al Quieda strongholds in Afghanistan.”
How did that working out for you?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pmEnlightened diplomacy and foreign policy were replaced by reckless, jingoistic, mad cowboy disease when the dolt was appointed to office. To place the leadership of the American government in the hands of an ignoramus like Bush will be singularly noteworthy as the greatest mistake the Amercan people have made in their history. It was predictable. What has happened around the world to American prestige and domestically to our country is a tragedy of galactic proportions. Rice is in over her head as Secretary of State as she was when she was “Security Advisor”. The substance of her “degrees” could have been earned by anyone willing to read the front pages of the newpapers and watch the history channel. She was reluctant to go to the middle east to try to end the strife and was unabashedly incompetent by saying “who would have thought that they would have flown an airliner into a building”, after receiving a warning a month prior to its occurence. If ignorance is bliss–’Tis folly to be wise.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pmBush+Cheney = Pinky & the Brain
TexasJuice
July 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pmJason, your “with us or against us” line makes you sound like some kind of crusading fascist to me. Very simple minded.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pmThe other day Bush said that the “root cause” was the terrorists wanting to defeat the growing democracy ( or “spread of freedom” whatever that is) in the Middle East. He doesn’t have a clue WHAT the root causes are for this centuries old conflict. He can’t see past 9/11 and his view of the War on Terra. You can’t defeat age old religious and ethinic conflicts with his view of “spreading democracy”. His schoolboy approach to a deep seeded conflict is contributing to mass chaos and destruction and I fear for the future of the Middle East.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:16 pmBush+Cheney = Pinky & the Brain
TexasJuice
Comment by TexasJuice — July 28, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
Too kind … more like pinky and the scrotum …. no sign of a brain anywhere.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:17 pmI would settle for sweeping clean the socialist / communists in this country that would have had us disarm our military after 9/11, instead of taking down the Taliban and Al Quieda strongholds in Afghanistan.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
July 28th, 2006 at 2:18 pmYour hero, Commander Codpiece, chose NOT to take down the Taliban and Al Quaeda strongholds in Afghanistan. He gave them a bloody nose, let Osama get away, then decided he liked beating up on small tinpot dictators better. If you have a bone to pick, pick it with El Shrubo
socialist / communists
Define those terms quick now, no looking it up.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — July 28, 2006 @ 2:14 pm
Sheesh 5 minutes … you really are a clueless gobshite.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:18 pm“he seemed to have some kind of response ready…”
Look to his ear, do you see it?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:18 pmBUSH: It’s an interesting period because, instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability.
These policies being invading and occupying Iraq, killing 30,000-100,000 of it’s people, locking a bunch more of them (including children) up in prisons, and allowing our military to act like Nazi soldiers by slapping their hand if they get caught. Abandoning any effort for an even-handed approach to solve the problems between Israel and Palestine (especially the current Gaza nightmare). Then giving Israel plenty of time to kill Lebanese civilians (by refusing to accept an effort to negotiate an immediate ceasefire), while rushing them the weapons..including bunker buster bombs…to do so.
Everyday is “opposite” day for Bush & Friends.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:18 pmThis is not a policy, its a C R U S A D E !
July 28th, 2006 at 2:20 pmBush: we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability
Me: WE ARE THE ROOT CAUSE OF VIOLENCE AND INSTABILITY
I just don’t get it. Please explain how we are bringing peace to the region by convincing ever more people to fight each other and ever more people to hate us for causing all these people to fight?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:20 pm38 (- the “ing”)
The saying “fighting for Peace is like f@ck!ng for your virginity” never rang more true. These guys are totally insane.
The Arab world is now more “emboldened” than ever. As much as they want it to, it just doesn’t work.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:20 pmHave you EVER wondered, dear boy Jason, why a guerilla regime, who we funded/backed in order to “protect” Afghanistan from the Commie scum incursion, would now want to murder you and me?
Our foreign policy BREEDS the hatred we now face. But since you choose to live your life with blinders on and refuse to try to comprehend other civilizatins cultures and motivations, your doomed to a life of fear, loathing and war/murder.
Your type (doomsdayers) scare me. You or the terrorists. I don’t see much of a difference. Pure hatred. Fear. Confusion and misunderstanding.
You fill me with hopelessness.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:21 pmInteresting Freudian panties (oops, I mean slip) on the part of Fox – in the screen shot it says “compliment” rather than “complement”…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:21 pm#38, June,
Well, since 9/11/2001, we have not had another terrorist attack on American soil, so it’s worked out just fine.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:22 pmReply to Jason M. Hendler:
These are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
I stand firmly with the United States, against George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Donals Rumsfeld, Condi Rice, and the rest of the neoconservative fascists who did indeed blow up the World Trade Center. Thanks for asking.
(Oh, and by the way, Jason, your junta’s “official version of events” states that the World Trade Center was brought down by jets crashing into them, not from being ‘blown up’. Try to keep your propaganda straight.)
July 28th, 2006 at 2:23 pmDid no one notice that FOCH’S NEWS doesn’t know the English language?
It’s COMPLEMENT, not compliment.
“Force needs to serve as compliment to diplomacy.” — FOCH’S intellectuals
Oh? Well, thanks, my middle finger IS long.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:23 pmSKdA, let me be the first to complement you.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:24 pm“It’s an interesting period”
Newsflash Mr. President: foreign policy is not a vacation spa!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:24 pmI just don’t get it. Please explain how we are bringing peace to the region by convincing ever more people to fight each other and ever more people to hate us for causing all these people to fight?
Comment by Amyfw — July 28, 2006 @ 2:20 pm
It’s a WWII strategy the Germans employed. Basically behave like such utter bastards, that eventually the entire world unites against you resulting in a catalysmic world war.
Once all the enthusiastic war monger types are dead (comes from not keeping the head down), then the remaining sensible, survivial oriented humans can discuss an improved world order.
It’s what we call a long term “own goal” strategy, and it really works.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:24 pm#50, DNFP,
In the 80’s, we were fighting the communist expansion, now we are fighting the spread of Islamo-fascism. If you don’t believe it, look at Ethiopia trying to suppress the islamo-fascists from crossing the border from Somolia, or the Islamo-fascists in the Sudan who are destablizing Chad. Africa will fall into the hands of muslims, because no Western power cares what happens there, but Western powers do care about the oil and trade routes in the middle east.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:26 pmWell, since 9/11/2001, we have not had another terrorist attack on American soil, so it’s worked out just fine.-Hendler
Worked out just fine? Are you serious? Do you think the average Iraqi citizen would agree with you? How about people living in northern Israel? Southern Lebanon? Are you that simple-minded?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:26 pmMadashell: That’s really funny. It would make a great bumper sticker.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:27 pmBush et al want Isreal’s foriegn policy to be the same as US foriegn policy. Invade and to hell with what the rest of the world thinks. Bush et al were very jealous of the way Isreal kidnapps Palistinians and Lebonese and hides them in some prison so they managed to create Guantonama (bad spelling sorry) Bay. I guess Bush and Isreal just keep trading good ideas!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:27 pmJason, do have anything creative to say? You seem to be just recycling the republican talking points- “you are with us or against us”, “no attacks since…” blah blah blah. You need to read John Dean’s new book to understand why you are like that. RWA
July 28th, 2006 at 2:27 pmAfrica will fall into the hands of muslims, because no Western power cares what happens there, but Western powers do care about the oil and trade routes in the middle east.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
Depressingly true, all the more reason to jettison the oil addiction ASAP.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:28 pmAre you that simple-minded?
Comment by DrSinker — July 28, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
Why yes he is!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:28 pmJason,
So, I have your guarantee that will last… excellent.
The fact is we have created more terrorists with our “War on Terror” than ever existed before. It is only a matter of time before we are attacked again and next time it will be by someone who is even more pissed because we killed one of their family members.
So, if or when we have another attack on American soil will you change your mind, or is that just a hollow talking point?
The proof backs me up in that there are more terrorists who hate America now, but unfortunately because of your (type) of lust for blood and blind vengeance, there will never be any proof of the alternative.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:29 pmBush foreign policy strategy: Throw gasoline on the fire and see how big it can grow.
Heckuva blaze, Bush!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:29 pmJason M. Hendler – lives in a black and white world.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:29 pmThese are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
Gee, this sounds so familiar…where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, “”Over time it’s going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity,” he said. “You’re either with us or against us in the fight against terror.” Bush–Nov. 2001.
As for me, I’m on the side of peace and against the facists that I am beginning to believe were complicit in blowing up the World Trade Center.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:30 pmI don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m having a lot of trouble “managing my calm” these days. Bush and his policies are so infuriating, so frustrating – how can it get any worse?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:31 pmBUSH: It’s an interesting period because, instead of having foreign policies based upon trying to create a sense of stability, we have a foreign policy that addresses the root causes of violence and instability.
I don’t think those words should be in there.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:31 pm#59, Dr,
June asked how it worked out for me, so I answered that specific question. As for how it has worked out for Iraqi’s, the Kurds are doing very well, as are the Shia (sp?) in the southeast. It’s the Sunni’s and the Shia in and around Baghdad that are fighting it out, and I would wager that the Shia are better served by the democratically elected government than under Saddam. The losers are Saddam’s Sunnis, who were vicious to the other ethnic groups in Iraq, so don’t ask me to feel sorry for them.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:31 pmI don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m having a lot of trouble “managing my calm†these days. Bush and his policies are so infuriating, so frustrating – how can it get any worse?
Comment by DrSinker — July 28, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
The fondest wish of the neocons WWIII (or maybe IV)
July 28th, 2006 at 2:32 pmQuote:These are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
Apparently our administration is on the side of the Islamo-fascists (you buzzword monkey) due to the fact that they aren’t willing to intervene on anyone’s behalf. Oh, wait, they do intevene on thie OWN behalf… so your comment does apply in a sick c-odependant kind of way.
Be careful with those kinds of arguments and statements. They could get you involved in all sorts of unexpected violence and conflict… just ask your president how well they worked out for him.
Arrogant bag of wind, why should we care what you think if you don’t care what we think…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:32 pmSeems to me that the root cause of all problems in the Middle East (and, in fact, a vast majority of the world throughout history) is religion.
So Bush is saying that his foreign policy is going to eliminate religion in order to bring peace?
I think I can live with that …
July 28th, 2006 at 2:33 pm#10 – Bush: On the one hand…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:34 pmOkay, okay, where is the the other hand? I couldn’t find it. – - It was up Tony Blair’s back.
Bush idea of managing calm is interesting. . . his push for war in the middle east has been building for a long time:
Bush is simply the monkey boy for the neocons….they love war and now they’ve managed to create one. Whata a wonderful world bush has “managed” to create.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:35 pm“how can it get any worse?”
Please don’t ask that question.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:35 pmVideo is working now, FYI.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:35 pmYes, the “blame America first” crowd wants to believe the US deserved the attacks of 9/11, and that terrorists are “nice” people, if we just did everything they wanted us to do, including convert to Islam and oppress our women with viels and burkas.
Is this a subconscious cry of feminists to finally be taken by force and dominated? Have American men been too nice by “letting” women work like dogs in soulless companies as we have?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:36 pmIn other words, Bush is saying that the new “plan” is to pretend that the previous plans never existed, and then act like whatever new plan his cabal can come up with along the way was the plan all along.
Right out of “1984″. And utterly pathetically predictable.
The sooner we kick this idiot out of office, the sooner we can restore some sanity to the world.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:38 pm78. OMG – what a no nothing piece of crap. You KNOW NOTHING about the middle east. Nothing. Neither does your king.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:39 pmQuote:#38, June,
Well, since 9/11/2001, we have not had another terrorist attack on American soil, so it’s worked out just fine.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:22 pm
And I have my tiger whistle right here. It works wonders. I blow on it and no tigers appear. It obviously works well at keeping tigers away.
Your logic has more holes in it than a UN observation post in Lebanon… and the results will be the same.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:39 pmThe “take America to War first, then ask questions” crowd wants us to believe that our involvement with the Middle East began on 9/11.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:39 pm“Be afraid for freedom.”
July 28th, 2006 at 2:39 pm- George W. (”bin Laden’s bitch”) Bush
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Well, since 9/11/2001, we have not had another terrorist attack on American soil, so it’s worked out just fine.
can you say October surpise?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:40 pmIn other words, Bush is saying that the new “plan†is to pretend that the previous plans never existed …
Not exactly. Bush claimed to be seeking a new era of peace, or that we would be greeted in Iraq with flowers and candy.
Now that’s it’s a mess, they have to pretend that that was the idea all along. Idiots like the “blame America first” bot above will defend anything. It’s the only thing that makes them useful.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:41 pm.
I hope Jason doesn’t kick his dog again to get rid of his paranoid delusional frustrations.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:42 pmthe 80’s, we were fighting the communist expansion, now we are fighting the spread of Islamo-fascism. If you don’t believe it, look at Ethiopia trying to suppress the islamo-fascists from crossing the border from Somolia, or the Islamo-fascists in the Sudan who are destablizing Chad. Africa will fall into the hands of muslims, because no Western power cares what happens there, but Western powers do care about the oil and trade routes in the middle east.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
July 28th, 2006 at 2:42 pmIn other words, you admit that the purpose of the “War on Terror” is control of the oil and trade routes in the middle east.
so Bush was basically saying:
I don’t care how many people die…Just stay the course, and we’ll turn the corner
Well, we’ve been turning the god damn corner for 3 years now, and things have gotten even worse.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:42 pmMadashell, I have that bumper sticker on my tailgate along with many others. The latest one going on today is Doing my part to piss off the relegious right…….Blessings….Peace, demand it.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:42 pmCome on this guy is high.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:43 pmIs this a subconscious cry of feminists to finally be taken by force and dominated? Have American men been too nice by “letting†women work like dogs in soulless companies as we have?-Hendler
Jason, nobody here is going to be impressed by you channeling Rush Limbaugh. Seriously, give it a rest. This is perhaps the dumbest thing I’ve ever read here, and that’s saying a lot given some of the Norwegian trolls who visit.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:43 pm“Well, we’ve been turning the god damn corner for 3 years now”
When you turn the corner enough times you end up walking in circles…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:44 pm78. OMG – what a no nothing piece of crap. You KNOW NOTHING about the middle east. Nothing. Neither does your king.
Comment by madashell #81
madashell,
If that 78. is referring to a post #…
…I’m going to assume that you’ve made an error…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:45 pm#87, impeach,
You are right, I forgot to mention the powerful political force within the US the causes the most powerful of both parties to support Israel no matter what, so it isn’t just oil and trade. Oh, and then there is the security concern that islamo-fascist might hit the US again.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:46 pm, the “blame America first†crowd wants to believe the US deserved the attacks of 9/11, and that terrorists are “nice†people, if we just did everything they wanted us to do, including convert to Islam and oppress our women with viels and burkas.
Is this a subconscious cry of feminists to finally be taken by force and dominated? Have American men been too nice by “letting†women work like dogs in soulless companies as we have?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:36 pm
Wow. Read a lot of Ann Coulter? Stick with the “for us or against us” comments. They don’t sound half as stupid. Try a cogent argument that can’t be simply turned around to show the hipocracy of your own statements…
Have American women been too tolerant of bigoted chauvanists by “letting” them talk out of their assholes and oppress them?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:47 pmwe were fighting the communist expansion, now we are fighting the spread of Islamo-fascism.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
The spread of “Islamo-Fascism”? I thought it was the “war on terror”.
If you don’t believe it, look at Ethiopia trying to suppress the islamo-fascists from crossing the border from Somolia,
Islam is one of the largest religions in Ethiopia, and has been for the longest time.
or the Islamo-fascists in the Sudan who are destablizing Chad.
Islam is the largest religion in both Chad, and Sudan. It has been for the longest time.
Africa will fall into the hands of muslims,
I didn’t realise this was a religious world war. What is this, Crusade #10?
Yeah, let’s fight the big, bad Muslim conspiracy to take over Africa… (???)
July 28th, 2006 at 2:47 pmHendler: Let’s get serious. If a competent person were in the White House prior to 9/11, there would not have been an attack. After repeated warnings in the PDBs given to the dolt by the equally incompetent “security advisor”, please tell me why more stringent measures were not put in place at least one month prior to the attack on the Towers. Oh, I forgot the entire Bush administration was on vacation for a full month before the attack. As far as security measures are concerned, Bush was asleep prior to and following the tragedy in New York as he was during Katrina. He has ignored the recommendations of the 9/11 commission to close the ports and borders to terrorism and was reluctant to appear before it. He has made deals with nations who have aided and harbored terrorists. Homeland Security Department is a joke. He has championed amnesty for illegals without regard if terrorists are among them. The #l terrorist is still alive and appears on TV. Terrorism is growing around the world and the Taliban is back in business. Osama has performed his mischief. The nation is divided and in economic, political and social turmoil. Another attack is not needed. He can sit back and laugh at the US involvement in Iraq–his former enemy, where the United States’ treasure is squandered and its blood is spent in a meaningless “war”.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:49 pmwow, watched the video, could that answer have been more vacuous and evasive. painful to watch
July 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pmComment by technodaoist – And I have my tiger whistle right here. It works wonders. I blow on it and no tigers appear. It obviously works well at keeping tigers away.
Perfect! This absolutely cracked me up!!
July 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pmJason: “anthrax”. Look it up, you might learn something.
Of course, you’re going to have it both ways – no terrorism in the US means that Bush’s policies are working, and terrorism in the US means that we aren’t supporting Bush enough! A nice, circular doctrine, impentrable to facts or logic.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pmGregor, I believe JMH’s grasp of history starts in 1999.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pm#52- to the contrary, we have had terrorists attack the U.S. since 9/11. They’re called the “Bush administration”. They crap on the Constitution, incite illegal wars that have resulted in the deaths of many thousands of innocent people, torture their prisoners, spy on their countrymen, and have dragged the United States down to the level of a third-world dictatorship. If that isn’t terrorism, I don’t know what is.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pmQuote:so Bush was basically saying:
I don’t care how many people die…Just stay the course, and we’ll turn the corner
Well, we’ve been turning the god damn corner for 3 years now, and things have gotten even worse.
Comment by Jebus loves me — July 28, 2006 @ 2:42 pm
Turn the corner three times and you’re right back where you started… Except we spent the surplus while out wandering around corners…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:51 pmAfrica will fall into the hands of muslims, because no Western power cares what happens there, but Western powers do care about the oil and trade routes in the middle east.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
If it is so important to keep the muslims at bay and out of Africa, why Bolton has skipped his duties as a UN representative in the trips there? To attend a private bussiness meeting in the UK! So you mean than Bolton is a traitorous rat who is crippling the GWOT performed by the Bush Cabinet?
July 28th, 2006 at 2:52 pmThis guy is pathetic. Does anyone understand anything he says when he attempts to discuss an important issue? Keep drinking the kool-aid, America.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:52 pmYes, the “blame America first†crowd wants to believe the US deserved the attacks of 9/11, and that terrorists are “nice†people,
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:36 pm
Strawman arguments #1, 2, and 3
if we just did everything they wanted us to do, including convert to Islam and oppress our women with viels and burkas.
If we did…. then what? At rate, strawman argument #4.
Is this a subconscious cry of feminists to finally be taken by force and dominated?
Rhetorical question, strawman argument #5
Have American men been too nice by “letting†women work like dogs in soulless companies as we have?
Rhetorical question, strawman argument #6
Wow…. all those words and no substance at all…
July 28th, 2006 at 2:54 pmJason – You are right, I forgot to mention the powerful political force within the US the causes the most powerful of both parties to support Israel no matter what, so it isn’t just oil and trade. Oh, and then there is the security concern that islamo-fascist might hit the US again.
That political force you mention are political donations from an extremely powerful lobby within (and outside of) the U.S. Still boils down to $$$. The security concern is fear whipped up and used against the American people by our own leaders. Wake up, Jason.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:55 pm9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 Bush is the master of spin. Everything he’s ever done, he’s run into the ground.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:57 pmWhoa, whoa, whoa …..
I am NOT saying stop the muslims in Africa. Quite the contrary, they can have it, because outside of Nigerian oil, there is little economic or security interest in that region for us. I AM saying that security (War on Terror), economic (oil) and political (Israel) reasons compel the US to be involved in the middle east.
Even if you eliminate the US need for oil (which will be nearly impossible), and eliminate Al Quieda (which will take years), the political impetus for the US to defend Israel will still keep us there.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:58 pmGeorge Bush has failed to learn what Queen Elizabeth I of England knew “I hate wars they are so unpredictable”. And after starting two wars neither of which turned out according to his predictions, he should have learnt this the hard way.
Dhanging topic, has anyone notice GWB getting stupid? I never thought he was well bright, but other people have told me that when running for governor of Texas he actually debated quite well with Ann Richardson.
July 28th, 2006 at 2:59 pmQuote:Jason – You are right, I forgot to mention the powerful political force within the US the causes the most powerful of both parties to support Israel no matter what, so it isn’t just oil and trade. Oh, and then there is the security concern that islamo-fascist might hit the US again.
That political force you mention are political donations from an extremely powerful lobby within (and outside of) the U.S. Still boils down to $$$. The security concern is fear whipped up and used against the American people by our own leaders. Wake up, Jason.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — July 28, 2006 @ 2:55 pm
You words ring true… Crisis manufactured by our leaders? Hmmm… sounds like standard Problem-Reaction-Solution scenario to me…
July 28th, 2006 at 3:00 pmMSNBC LIVE POLL – SHOULD BUSH BE IMPEACHED?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/
A couple of minutes ago, 87% say YOU BET.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:00 pmJason
You tough guy BS is over, hell it never began. Your tough guys have emptied your treasury, and given you less for your tax buck (whether you pay now or later) then any liberal government ever has. Hell, for all that you have agreed to Bush’s spending on foreign adventures, where is Osama?
For all of that spending on rebuilding Iraq, a country that didn’t have to be broken in the first place, where is Osama? In Afghanistan? Now the poppy fields supply Europe. Your enemies multiply as you say “For us or against us” and fewer and fewer are for you. Even your allies hate you. Even those countries that were willing to fight by America’s side no matter how weak the case, have turned against you, not out of their failing, but out of America’s failing.
Even Poland is no longer the ally it once was. WWII has been paid for, the debts are settled, and now America is alone. Your preferred foreign policy is hurting America, and you claim to be so great and so grand, the story is over. When you gave up your constitution to Bush, when you agreed to give up your rights for your security, deep within you America was over. The sick caricature, the nation nobody wants to emulate replaced it, America is dead, long live Amerika.
Now those same nations you most revile you most depend on, those same scientists you damn for their data are the same scientists who made America great, and the same liberals you so hate for everything they have been right about, are the same liberals you need to fix things now that you have so marred them.
But you will not turn, you will not allow a change of course because you are proud, proud and foolish as a titan before he falls. You are a neo-con, which isn’t a new breed of conservative, just an old breed of fool, the same fool who voted Nazi, the same fool who voted Nat, the same fool who votes Zanu-PF, the same fool who has supported all of histories strongmen and thugs. Have your world war, have your ruination and hate, have all that you beg for, have it and enjoy because I for one, want none of it.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:00 pmmoderated by admin
July 28th, 2006 at 3:00 pmJust viewed the video. . . . talk about a script. . . . Bush: “Well, David, to answer your question of why is appears that the US has no influence in the middle east. These people hate freedom and attacked us on 9-11 Next question.” What? Geeze, he is getting dummer by the day!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:02 pm#109, Skeptic,
GWB “debated well” by staying on his four talking points and not gettng pulled into arguments on other topics, for which Ann Richardson was not prepared. Gradually, libs have learned to either make their own soundbites in their questions, or not ask what GWB wants, to keep it at the draw we’ve seen for years.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:02 pmEven if you eliminate the US need for oil (which will be nearly impossible), and eliminate Al Quieda (which will take years), the political impetus for the US to defend Israel will still keep us there.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:58 pm
If would be less of a waste of yours and everbody else’s time if you tried to keep your comments coherent, like this last one.
Now, why do you think the US needs to defend Israel? The relationship seems very one-sided, with Israel reaping all the benefits (weapons, money, political support, etc) and the US receiving no perceivable benefit.
Is it a sensible policy to (politically) stand by Israel no matter what?
July 28th, 2006 at 3:04 pmHezbullah Wants an
July 28th, 2006 at 3:07 pmImmediate Cease-Fire
#112, Bruce,
LOL – scientists and liberals are going to fix things? I have never known either to be part of any solution, much less the sole provider of a solution. Liberals demagogue and filibuster and protest and commit acts of civil disobedience – but you think they have a solution? Scientist putter around and poke at things and scribble notes, but they don’t fix anything either.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:07 pmGradually, libs have learned to either make their own soundbites in their questions, or not ask what GWB wants, to keep it at the draw we’ve seen for years.-Hendler
Gradually, right-wingers have learned to either make up their own facts to support their arguments, or pretend that up is down, black is white, whatever allows GWB to stay on top in their own dimented view of the world.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:07 pmI hope Jason doesn’t kick his dog again to get rid of his paranoid delusional frustrations.
Comment by dlet — July 28, 2006 @ 2:42 pm
i hope he finds a civil way to help release those pent up,
July 28th, 2006 at 3:08 pmfrustrating delusions of sexual fantasy…
#116, Greg,
I have no comment on the sense of supporting Israel, just point out the political reality that Hill’reh and leading Dems as well as most all Republicans sing in one chorus on supporting Israel.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:09 pmScientist putter around and poke at things and scribble notes, but they don’t fix anything either. JMH
Pssssst! Throw your computer away NOW, RIGHT NOW.
You have ZERO credibility, ig-no-ray-mus.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:09 pm“Free Market” Ideology Has Killed Thousands in Iraq
Bush’s plans to subject Iraq to the most radical forms of capitalism are as responsible as the war itself for the destruction of Iraq.
Iraqis have been brutalized not only by bombs and bullets; they’ve also been the victims of economic violence in the form of the free market “shock therapy” cooked up by a firm in Virginia on a $250 million no-bid contract before the U.S. invasion. Tranforming Iraq’s economy overnight was a matter of ideology trumping commonsense, and it’s killed thousands of innocent Iraqis and shattered a way of life for hundreds of thousands more.
That the radical restructuring of Iraq’s political economy has received so little critical attention – even as Iraq’s nascent government threatens to crash and burn – is a testament to how deeply indoctrinated we are -especially our media – in the narrative of what “American-style” capitalism is. It was taken as a given that after knocking off Saddam, we’d rapidly privatize huge swaths of Iraq’s national companies, get rid of hundreds of thousands of civil servants, completely restructure the country’s tax and finance laws and throw Iraq’s economy wide open for foreign multinationals. File it under bringing “democracy and capitalism” to the poor, backward Arabs.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:10 pm…staying on his four talking points …
And what if those talking points don’t even close to answering the question? He doesn’t have to answer?
…not gettng pulled into arguments on other topics, for which Ann Richardson was not prepared…
Wow – you do realize that the your statement means that Bush was not prepared for other questions than his “four talking points”, right?
…or not ask what GWB wants…
Yes, of course… he should only be asked the questions that he wants to answer.
Keep trying. It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and prove yourself one…
July 28th, 2006 at 3:10 pmThat TEARS IT!! The President of the United States is absolutely insane. Only in Repugnant world gould a shooting war, where innocents are being targeted, be “better” than harbored resentment.
What a DICK!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:10 pmBush is the real root cause. Israel is the cancer.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:11 pmDont fret so much folks.
Condie is on her way. This time she will give two piano recitals.
Karen Hughes will flap her lips, as will Tony Snowball and all will be well again.
Cheney is still hiding in his bunker, afraid the terrist are after him. God, the nightmares that man must have.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:11 pmmoderated by admin
July 28th, 2006 at 3:12 pmHonestly, I’m glad they stopped the gung ho crap. Americans don’t care about the Mideast. They can stop pretending.
Why don’t Palestinians just move somewhere where they are welcome? -Ed Schultz
Ed Schultz is not only the best progressive radio talk show. It’s the best talk show -Senator Harry Reid
July 28th, 2006 at 3:16 pmJason: “try fixing up your hair, putting on a revealing, flattering chemise – and, of course, a skirt with nylons and heels, and try something new – act feminine – you know, like a woman. Maybe that will get you a man.” – - Yep, most likely a misogynist, an over-bearing abusive macho dickhead, or a Promise Keeper type.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:16 pmJason M. Hendler
Nice to see you know where your computer, your type-faced language, your internet, your phone line and your electricity all come from. You condemn a proud history of study, learning and thought because you are incapable of all three.
And you condemn liberals the same, because you cannot comprehend that solutions can be reached.
Your ideology is a failure, and you cannot change your ideology so you continue to fail. I’ll say one thing for what is a liberal, we can change, and that is why we fix the things that you neo-cons break. We move forward, you only move backwards, ever backwards into oblivion.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:20 pm#120, katy,
There you go again, associating me with sex. I probably shouldn’t respond, because that is what you so desparately want – my attention. Are you still so socially clumsy, that you have to hit the boy with your school bag to get his attention?
Let me help you – try fixing up your hair, putting on a revealing, flattering chemise – and, of course, a skirt with nylons and heels, and try something new – act feminine – you know, like a woman. Maybe that will get you a man.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 3:12 pm
Seems Jason knows alot about what it takes to get a man…
Hmmmm….
July 28th, 2006 at 3:21 pmOn the one hand, it is interesting to see Pres Bush setting on a new foreign policy, hence demonstrating he knows when not to stay the course.
On the other hand, I want to see this new foreign policy addressing this issue at its “root cause”:
July 28th, 2006 at 3:22 pmBut if U.S. congressional leaders have learned not to expect quick fixes in Iraq, many were shocked that Maliki, in the course of a visit to Washington seeking greater assistance, publicly broke with the Administration’s position on Lebanon. Maliki, addressing the media, was very clear that he blamed the crisis on “Israeli aggression,” and he declined to criticize Hizballah.
How the Lebanon Crisis Complicates U.S. Prospects in Iraq
MSNBC LIVE POLL – SHOULD BUSH BE IMPEACHED?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/
A couple of minutes ago, 87% say YOU BET.
Comment by Danton — July 28, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
I smell blood…
July 28th, 2006 at 3:22 pm“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:23 pm-George W. Bush, (June 18, 2002, speech)
#132,
Scientists may have discovered electricity and transistors, but they didn’t create the products that consumers use. It takes someone with a true business acumen to achieve that.
Case and point on liberals – Madeline “Battle Axe” Albright went to North Korea, and traded nuclear technology for empty promises. The liberal solution is NO solution, and tends to harm us in its naivety.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:24 pmBush and all BubbleHeads alike are pyschopaths!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:26 pm#118: Liberals demagogue and filibuster and protest and commit acts of civil disobedience – but you think they have a solution?
Democrats adopt legislation and propose solutions, but most of them die in Republican-controlled committees before they ever come up for a vote. That doesn’t mean that they don’t have ideas; what it means is that thir ideas simply aren’t given consideration by Republicans.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:27 pmThese are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
Why are people like you so hell-bent on labeling this a World War? And, by the way, standing with and for the United States means impeaching BushCo, the whole lot of them. Because BushCo started this nonsense in the first place. I firmly believe BushCo was part and parcel involved in 9/11. You think you and yours are going to heaven when this is all done? Think again. If we don’t stop BushCo NOW, there will be no heaven, only hell on earth. Is that what it’s going to take to get you people to wake up? For the sake of humanity, I certainly hope not.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:27 pm#132,
Scientists may have discovered electricity and transistors, but they didn’t create the products that consumers use. It takes someone with a true business acumen to achieve that.
Folks this is progress, of a sort. We’ve peeled back a layer of the onion thats is Jason and exposed a clear cut contempt for science. Lets remember that for the future.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:27 pmGWB: On the one hand, we will protect ourselves from further attack in the short run by being aggressive in chasing down the killers and bringing them to justice.
One might ask, “What about the other hand?”
Oh! I found it! He’s using it to stick a shiv in America’s back.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:29 pmGET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT – JMH. Your ignorance and rhertoric only goes to show what little you know. Your master Bush is who IGNORED KIM these last SIX YEARS, and undid ALL the DIPLOMACY (Look up that word, dude), that was begun in Clinton’s administration.
That the Albright visit took place was itself a surprise. It came about almost at the last minute, taking less than 10 days to arrange. But the trip was as historic as it was hasty. The meeting between Kim and Albright, who is the highest-ranking U.S. official to visit North Korea, would have been unimaginable not so long ago and was a further sign that Pyongyang is trying to abandon its label as a rogue terrorist state. For her part, Albright was eager to win concessions from Kim — namely, promises that Pyongyang would stop its missile program and end its support of terrorism. The trip was also seen as paving the way for U.S. President Bill Clinton to visit North Korea before leaving office.
Cozying Up to Pyongyang
July 28th, 2006 at 3:29 pmBut Kim Jong Il remains as elusive as ever
By LAXMI NAKARMI Seoul
Comment by GSD — July 28, 2006 @ 3:23 pm
Poor George. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth. -Former Texas Governor Ann Richards
July 28th, 2006 at 3:30 pmHendler is one of those Rush Limp-baugh Republicans. You know, they take trips with “the boys” to poor nations known for their illegal sex industry on a private plane loaded with Viagra. You know, sounds like good Christian goings on.
Sort of like the father of Norm Coleman(R-Wellestone Assassin), you know, an 81 year old man of good standing who has sex with women in public.
GOP-Group Of Perverts.
-GSD
July 28th, 2006 at 3:30 pm…Africa…outside of Nigerian oil, there is little economic or security interest in that region for us.
gee, i wonder why pat robertson is so interested in the gold and diamond mines… africa’s natural resources are incredibly rich – that’s why despots forever have been stealing those people blind… but they are learning about their natural wealth – hopefully soon enough…
July 28th, 2006 at 3:30 pm#141, Brian,
I have a contempt for those who believe science is the answer to everything. I’ve watched too many scientists kill business opportunities to allow that myth to perpetuate itself. As for Edison, he is accused of stealing other’s ideas and profiting off them himself.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#96 Nova16
July 28th, 2006 at 3:33 pmVery well said thanks for that
So Hendler, do you stand with George W. Bush who embraces the Islamic dictator of Pakistan that is now ramping up his nuclear bomb prorgam? Or do you stand with George W. Bush who holds the hands and walks through fields of flowers with the Islamic Saudi oil kings who support and bankroll Al Qaeda? Do you support Dandy Don Rumsfeld who bent to pressure from Bin Laden and pulled out American bases from Saudi Arabia in the most untalked about “cut and run” maneuver in US military history?
-GSD
July 28th, 2006 at 3:33 pm“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace.”
-George W. Bush
This statement could only be scarier if Shrub could locate Oceania on a map…
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July 28th, 2006 at 3:34 pmGOP-Group Of Perverts.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — July 28, 2006 @ 3:30 pm
have you seen this?
Republican Hypocrisy Revealed
July 28th, 2006 at 3:34 pm#136: Albright went to North Korea, and traded nuclear technology for empty promises.
This is a spectacularly dishonest statement. No member of the Clinton administration, including Albright, ever gave nuclear technology to North Korea.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:35 pmI have a contempt for those who believe science is the answer to everything. I’ve watched too many scientists kill business opportunities to allow that myth to perpetuate itself. As for Edison, he is accused of stealing other’s ideas and profiting off them himself.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 3:32 pm
I’d like to know what has made this person so demented.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:36 pmJason M. Hendler
1st: Inventors (a kind of scientist) created the products which the salesmen then sold. Without the inventor the product wouldn’t exist, so take your acumen and shove it up your ass, your lack of common sense, never mind anything else, shows you for what you are.
2nd: Madeline Albright went to North Korea and got the leader of North Korea to submit to UN inspections after he kicked up his heels and said no. The deal with North Korea included weapons inspections, and besides is no different to Bush’s deal with Iran, it is the same technology being traded on the same terms.
Further, while North Korea and South Korea had moved closer to peace under Clinton, under Bush the two are at each other’s throats once more. North Korea’s reaction to Bush tough talk? It launched rockets, one of them a test rocket for intercontinental strikes.
That is how well neo-cons do when you want someone to solve things.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:36 pmComment by Zooey — July 28, 2006 @ 3:29 pm
lunchtime! and it’s FRIDAY!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#141, Brian,
I have a contempt for those who believe science is the answer to everything.
Good for you, we can agree on something:-)
Unhappily you’ll need to lump Bush and most of the administration in that group, and possibly yourself. When backed into a corner on the subject of global warming or pollution these people invariable kick the can down the road, claiming that “we need take no action because mysterious and amazing new technologies will solve all these problems for us!!!”.
The people that think that “science is a solution for everything” are rarely scientists. They are more generally starry eyed darwinian capitalists of the worst stripe.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#147 Jason,
I have contempt for those who believe that science is the answer to nothing. I’ve watched many business men kill scientific opportunities to allow that myth to perpetuate itself. As for Bush, he accused of ruining businesses and profiting off them himself.
Keep using those broad-stroke brushes to paint your arguments. There’s no way they could be turned around to highlight your ignorance and hipocracy…
July 28th, 2006 at 3:37 pm#149, GSD,
Recently, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have been strong allies in the War On Terror, since both leaders have seen terrorist strikes in their own countries – Musharif narrowly espacing with his life twice. Musharif is a military dictator – not an islamic imman. The Saudi prince is not an islamic imman either.
Don Rumsfeld has been the perfect man for the job, who could care less what cowering liberals say.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:38 pmThese are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
This sort of you’re-either-with-Bush-or-with-the-terrorists formulation is the last-chance desperate gasp by neoconservatives to try to bully Americans into supporting George W. Bush’s incredibly foolish and incoherent foreign policy. It may work with some of the dimmer bulbs on the right, but it’s not going to work with Americans who are actually paying attention.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:40 pmI have a contempt for those who believe science is the answer to everything. I’ve watched too many scientists kill business opportunities to allow that myth to perpetuate itself. As for Edison, he is accused of stealing other’s ideas and profiting off them himself.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Ya! Ben Franklin and his lightning rod are dumb!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:40 pmDon Rumsfeld has been the perfect man for the job, who could care less what cowering liberals say.
Perfect man for the job of creating a quagmire of incompetence… and again, if you don’t care what a liberal has to say then why the hell should a liberal care what you have to say?
July 28th, 2006 at 3:41 pmCan I hope no one outside of the US sees this? I’m sick of trying to explain to friends overseas how this man got elected for a second term….
July 28th, 2006 at 3:41 pmThis makes me sick. Israel has murdered hundreds and hundreds of innocent Lebonese civilians with a very small casualty rate on their side. The entire world is watching with their jaws on the floor at the blatent hypocrisy of the US/Israel team from hell. This is OBSCENE.
The word “Freedom” is now an insidious term that has been stolen from us. It is now associated with the heart of darkness.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:42 pmlunchtime! and it’s FRIDAY!
Comment by katy
Thank goodness! I’ve got a stack of files a foot high, that i need to get through by 5, so I’m heading back. I love this job!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:42 pmMusharif is a military dictator – not an islamic imman. The Saudi prince is not an islamic imman either.
Repressive Monarchies and military dictators you like, but draw the line at islamo fascists … for the moment. Wow … as usual so impressed:-) With principles and ethics like yours, who needs demon possession?
July 28th, 2006 at 3:43 pm#155, Bruce,
There is a huge difference between the inventor, and those who productize the invention for the market place. I know, because I am the co-inventor on a number of patented technologies and products, and I have successfully moved the technologies from the bench to mass production. The original inventors of the base technology, who are absolutely brilliant, are not the type to have innovated the technology to the point of mass production, which is why individuals like me are hired, who have the engineering, manufacturing and marketing background to make that transition, so don’t lecture me, boy.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:43 pm#159: Recently, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have been strong allies in the War On Terror
Yeah. I mean, those Pakistanis sure have been helpful in finding Osama bin Laden.
Don Rumsfeld has been the perfect man for the job
Rumsfeld has a “perfect” record in that he’s bungled every opportunity he’s been given: ignoring the advice of his generals and sending too few troops to Iraq, lying about knowing where the WMD’s were, providing inadequate body armor for American troops, etc.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:44 pmI would settle for sweeping clean the socialist / communists in this country that would have had us disarm our military after 9/11, instead of taking down the Taliban and Al Quieda strongholds in Afghanistan.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
That’s really all this is about, isn’t it, Jason?
It’s not about El Qaeda.
It’s not about “Islamofascism”(whatever that is).
It’s not even about foreign affairs at all.
It’s about using all of the above as a pretext for setting up a right wing dictatorship here at home.
Actually, I think we all owe Jason a debt of gratitude for his candid and forthright depiction of neoconservatism’s real aims. Such honesty is indeed a rare phenomenon in his neck of the woods.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:45 pmCan I hope no one outside of the US sees this? I’m sick of trying to explain to friends overseas how this man got elected for a second term….
Comment by Alice — July 28, 2006 @ 3:41 pm
Too late, myself and wife are pissing our pants having a good old laugh. What an incoherent, bumbling dimwit. Poor Tony looked pained listening to Bush making a total hash of the response … shudder.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:46 pm#168, Jim,
You didn’t quote my entire sentence – he is perfect in that he doesn’t care what cut and run democrats say ….
July 28th, 2006 at 3:46 pmROFLMFAO!!!!
There is a huge difference between the inventor, and those who productize the invention for the market place. I know, because I am the co-inventor on a number of patented technologies and products, and I have successfully moved the technologies from the bench to mass production. The original inventors of the base technology, who are absolutely brilliant, are not the type to have innovated the technology to the point of mass production, which is why individuals like me are hired, who have the engineering, manufacturing and marketing background to make that transition, so don’t lecture me, boy.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
So, scientists and inventors have no solutions, yet you have co-created a number of solutions… Would you care to give any patent numbers before you start your own lecture about productinizationism and how it will help keep the islamo-fascio-imam-boogeyman away???
And just so there’s no mistake, I am now OPENLY LAUGHING AT YOU!!!!!
Boy.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:47 pm#59 “War On Terror” Jason, there is no war on terror. This is about oil, plain and simple. BushCo needed to give all of this a title (the War on Terror!) so people like you would have something to cling to, something to make you feel that what’s being done is right and in the best interests of the people of the United States and the world. Wake up before it’s too late.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:47 pmcut and run democrats
Jesus, Jason, are you an IM bot or something? Honestly sometimes I have to wonder …. :-)
July 28th, 2006 at 3:48 pmMeant 159. Sorry to #59.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:48 pmDidn’t our foreign policy stop seeking calm sometime in early 2001?
July 28th, 2006 at 3:49 pmMiddle East Crisis Open Thread VI…
This is the Middle East Crisis VI open-thread. We all hope this doesn’t turn into the July War, but these days? Please post all developments, news stories, comments, links, theories, ideas, etc. here in this thread. The earlier threads can be found he…
July 28th, 2006 at 3:49 pmyeah, jason, pray tell. What products?
July 28th, 2006 at 3:49 pmI’m waiting Jason.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:50 pm#159. Musharif is hanging onto his power with fear and the Saudi Prince hasn’t had real control over his country for years. Perfect man for “The Job”. What job is that Jason? This admin. gambled on a quick war in Iraq and now face reality. If this was a business scenario all heads would have been fired a long time ago. Wasn’t it the republicans who didn’t want to be the world’s police? And now they not only want to be the police but the real estate developer as well.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:50 pmI, for the life of me, fail to understand why the Rush Limpdick crowd loves to push “islamofascist”. They’re just as guilty as the islam they love to hate.
The World Trade Center was hit twice. The first time, it was nasty, but nothing fell down. The second time was very nasty indeed. It took two times to get the job done. Not very efficient. Disasterous, yes. But not very efficient from a military standpoint.
The government building in Oklahoma City was hit once. Hard. And it fell down the first time. That’s military efficiency for you. And a disaster, the likes of which the US had not seen in a very very long time.
Seems like the Christians know what they’re doing when it comes to making buildings fall.
Yet we hear NOT A WORD about how evangelical christian TERRORISTS are just as bad for this country as islam.
Got Osama? Nope. The ReichWingNuts don’t have Osama.
Got Christian Identity NutBalls? Yep. Rethuglicans have plenty of them.
And neither terrorist group has been cleaned up. Yet both have make big buildings fall on US soil.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:51 pm…if you don’t care what a liberal has to say then why the hell should a liberal care what you have to say?
Comment by technodaoist — July 28, 2006 @ 3:41 pm
more important – why the hell be HERE???
July 28th, 2006 at 3:52 pmAnd just so there’s no mistake, I am now OPENLY LAUGHING AT YOU!!!!!
Boy.
Comment by technodaoist — July 28, 2006 @ 3:47 pm
Heck, how could you not!!! Some conservatives can mount a coherent defence of there more sensible ideas, Jason is not one of those. If fact he’s not really a conservative in the classic sense.
More of an Authoritarianist, with Bush the current focus of his worshipful attentions. Sad really:-(
July 28th, 2006 at 3:52 pmJason M. Hendler
You are no inventor. You are an idiot, if you were an inventor you would have a healthy respect for science and scientists, because you would either be one, or actually have ever spoken to a few. Heck you might even have a few as friends, of course, you don’t. You don’t know the first thing about what science even is.
You are a guy who is impressed not by facts, but by how pretty the graph is.
Co-Inventor? BS, more likely you are one of those pricks in marketing who thinks that he is the product.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:53 pmI know, because I am the co-inventor on a number of patented technologies and products, and I have successfully moved the technologies from the bench to mass production.
still waiting Jason – PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:53 pmScientists may have discovered electricity and transistors, but they didn’t create the products that consumers use. It takes someone with a true business acumen to achieve that.
Case and point on liberals – Madeline “Battle Axe†Albright went to North Korea, and traded nuclear technology for empty promises. The liberal solution is NO solution, and tends to harm us in its naivety.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Brilliant non-sequitor. In conclusion, Bill Clinton talks funny.
By the same logic, Bush gave N. Korea weaponized plutonium in exchange for an equal trade in fear and loathing. What a good deal!
July 28th, 2006 at 3:54 pmI thought so. What a LIAR.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:55 pmI know, because I am the co-inventor on a number of patented technologies and products, and I have successfully moved the technologies from the bench to mass production.
still waiting Jason – PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
Comment by madashell
I have used the patent database several times… it will take him a few minutes to find someone with a patent that has a J. Hendler attached to it… hopefully he will do what most of the neocons do … find that and not read the patent… and end up posting that he invented the steam power cork opener from 1844.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:56 pmstill waiting Jason – PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
Comment by madashell — July 28, 2006 @ 3:53 pm
As usual, poor Jason on ropes:-) Why does he keep coming here?
July 28th, 2006 at 3:56 pmCUT AND RUN DEMOCRATS?
Let’s see. Dwight Eisenhower “cut and ran” from North Korea.
Richard M. Nixon “cut and ran” from Vietnam.
Ronald Reagan “cut and ran” from Lebanon.
Don Rumsfeld “cut and ran” from Saudi Arabia.
-GSD
July 28th, 2006 at 3:57 pmJason just practiced his own version of “cut and run”.
July 28th, 2006 at 3:58 pmCo-Inventor? BS, more likely you are one of those pricks in marketing who thinks that he is the product.
Bruce – Would you happen to know if there’s a study out there comparing sales/marketing and tech/IT/everyone else and their political leanings? I won’t rant, but I personally think that sales/marketing (aka LYINGto make a profit) are the source of most/all ethical dilemmas and conflicts in this nation. And since our current adminstration and colleagues seem to have such an issue with ethics…
Bottom line baby!
July 28th, 2006 at 4:00 pm#170: You didn’t quote my entire sentence – he is perfect in that he doesn’t care what cut and run democrats say
Wow, you’ve got your talking points down! Straight out of the neocon playbook. And now maybe you can explain why it’s wise to stay in Iraq indefinitely?
July 28th, 2006 at 4:01 pmstupid HTML
July 28th, 2006 at 4:02 pmGeez, madashell, I had to answer the phone – keep your shirt on ….
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=0&f=S&l=50&TERM1=jason&FIELD1=INNM&co1=AND&TERM2=hendler&FIELD2=INNM&d=PTXT
Enter in that, and you will see commercial antenna tech that greatly increased the range of wireless products. I know science and scientists better than anyone on this board, so step off.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:03 pm#195: I know science and scientists better than anyone on this board, so step off.
You are, like, so smart. I’m, like, so impressed.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:04 pmReply to Alice:
I’m sick of trying to explain to friends overseas how this man got elected for a second term….
Then simply explain that he didn’t get elected to a second term, any more than he got elected to a first one.
Dubya & Company stole the election in 2000 with the aid of Dubya’s brother Jeb, Katherine Harris, and a Repug SCOTUS. They stole the 2002 election with some help from Diebold (call it a test run). They stole the 2004 election with the aid of Kenneth Blackwell, as well as more help from the good folks over at Diebold.
Note that in each of these elections, the exit polls differed wildly from the ‘official’ results. If you’ve ever done even a cursory study of election fraud, you know that this a major red flag…so major that many nations use it as a yardstick to determine the legitimacy of elections. Yet here, we are asked to ignore the evidence right in front of our eyes.
This isn’t the only indication of fraud, either…a few minutes of diligent googling on the subject will turn up a wealth of information…most of which will cause you to lose sleep.
Now, Diebold electronic voting machines are more prevalent than ever, despite clear evidence that they can be compromised, and clear evidence that they have been so compromised in past elections.
Again, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
Now, the 2006 elections are looming. Suport for the Repug neocons is at an all-time low.
Honestly, at this point I hope the hubris of the neocons, which at this point has attained positively brobdingnagian proportions, blind them to the reality of the situation, prompting them to try to steal the 2006 elections. With such an improbable neocon victory, it should be obvious to any American that genuinely cares for this country and what it stands for that our democracy has been hijacked.
Just one question: when it does become clear to you that our country has been conquered from within by a cabal of fascists, what will you do?
July 28th, 2006 at 4:04 pmScience does not claim to be a solution–religious wackos always have the solution. Science is and always has been a search for the fundamental basis of nature and the universe. The scientific method of investigation depends on inquiry, observation, collection of facts and data, experimentation and conclusion into theory. Many of these theories have been proven and have become scientific laws.e.g. atomic theory, gravity, electro magnetism, strong force, weak force, etc., etc., etc. Any one with the stupidity to demean the accomplishment of scientists from Democrites to Einstein is either ignorant or lacks common sense. If ignorance is bliss, ‘Tis folly to be wise.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:04 pmPresident Bush proudly declared that American foreign policy no longer seeks to “manage calm,†and derided policies that let anger and resentment lie “beneath the surface.â€
Yes. Much better to stir up anger and resentments to the surface.
Screaming with frustration just doesn’t do it for me anymore.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:05 pmAnyone who has ever fought knows that it is just as valuable to avoid a fight by settling it verbally as it is being able to really physically handle yourself. Even the toughest guy will go down eventually if he doesn’t pick and choose his fights. In saying this, I know none of the Bush people knows a thing about physical toughness or miltary service and it shows. Real men want to be led by men, not spoiled upperclass girly-boys.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:06 pm#198, nova,
I agree with your definition of science as the search for truth, not solutions. Applied science and engineering are how these truths are used to solve many problems, but far from all of them.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:06 pmEnter in that, and you will see commercial antenna tech that greatly increased the range of wireless products. I know science and scientists better than anyone on this board, so step off.
Whooptie doo – I know how to make a wireless antennae out of a pringles can… I saw that episode of Screensavers on TechTV too…
I see several names on those patents (must be all those ’science and scientists’ you know) but nothing indicate what you did to earn it… Based on your inability to communicate or form a coherent argument, I still go with Sales and Marketing (which was what you argued to be more important anyway)
Oh, and regardless of your abilities, its not wise to crap where you eat… I’m your your ’scientist friends’ appreciate you bad-mouthing their efforts.
Wait, I get it… A ScientIST is someone who HATES science (like a racIST hates race)so your arguments make perfect sense now. Seriously, some of my best friends are scientists…
July 28th, 2006 at 4:11 pmWow, a graduate of a LIBERAL school – who recently REFUSED to have bush address the graduating class. who’d of thunk?
July 28th, 2006 at 4:12 pmanyway, ANYONE CAN BUY A PATENT!
July 28th, 2006 at 4:14 pm#209, madashell,
Agreed, but not everyone can generate sales and license agreements for those patents in excess of $1 million….
July 28th, 2006 at 4:15 pmso, your real function – the sales part.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:17 pmOkay, so who have you sold to?
July 28th, 2006 at 4:17 pmMadashell,
Take your pic, I performed design engineering work, manufacturing, marketing, sales – I did everything but sweep the floors. Trained engineers, created ISO audited operations processes – the works.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:24 pmOn of the dolts from the neocon fruit farm made the comment that progressives, “always blame America first” Can’t you imbeciles realize that we don’t blame America–We blame the Bush-Cheney crime syndicate and the corrupt republican congress for the turmoil around the world and in our own divided country. Squandering hundreds of billions of dollars, killing and maiming hundreds of thousands of soldiers and citizens in a “phony” war with no end for purposes of profit is where our blame lies. Anyone loyal to this administration is supporting malfeasance and misfeasance in the highest office in the land. Osama bin Laden was the culprit on 9/11. He and his cohorts should have been destroyed. All America was in favor of this venture into Afghanistan. This has failed–The administration is to blame. Most Americans now know that they have been duped and deceived into a fruitless “war” in Iraq and want new direction. They don’t blame America first.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:24 pmEnough of the educational adventures our rightie punching bag.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:27 pmJason, you said “I’ve watched too many scientists kill business opportunities.” In what way?
July 28th, 2006 at 4:28 pmYah – I too must go for now… and I feel quite happy with the fact that Mr. WannabeMIT never actually addressed a single one of my statements… I will make a prediction that he will ignore this one as well or claim he did not reply because I (or my statements) were not worth it.
Everyone have a wonderful day, and don’t get too filled with anger – you might make an ass of yourself on a forum thread…
July 28th, 2006 at 4:28 pmStanford grads refer to Science fiction writers for their current Science? HAhahahahahahahahaha!Whew!what a waste of money!
July 28th, 2006 at 4:31 pmYou know another guy who studied in Yale and recieved a diploma from Harvard?
GWB.
Stanford boy, it is not the school but the student. Zip it.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:32 pmrecieved a diploma from Harvard?
GWB.
unbelievable – but he must have paid for his degree in business.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:33 pm#228, impeach,
To have a successful product, you must balance three things:
1) what engineering can achieve
2) what manufacturing can build with repeatiability, reliability and quality
3) what marketing can sell to recoup engineering and manufacturing costs
Scientist latch on to potential customers like themselves, who are fascinated with technology, but with no understanding of the business acumen, so they pursue dead leads and squander time and money with no return. They see large volumes, but don’t understand thin margins, and can’t understand how that yield little or no profit.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:34 pmdefeating ideology by a more hopeful ideology, an ideology that provides hope to the terrorists that US citizens can be fooled and US can be run to the ground by rash decisions and the terrorists won’t even have to life a finger.
Terrorists must think Bush is genius! they really have done nothing uptil now. they probably took a 4 year holiday break from planning their next attack after seeing Bush in action.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:35 pm#231, Mary,
No, it is the data, analyses and graphs of Michael Crichton, along with his sensible logic and sways my opinion, as opposed to the bug-eyed, red faced ranting of Al Gore.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:38 pmBush and the neocons have been following what UBL said awhile ago. He wanted to financially bleed us and stretch our military. So what do our leaders do? continue to spend hundreds of billions in Iraq, build up the military again and now are touting the idea of sending troops to Lebanon. Our military leaders have openly questioned this logic but the decider will have none of that.
This isn’t a left or right, republican or democrat issue anymore. It’s bad policy for America and Americans won’t stand for it.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:43 pmThe reason the majority of American people initially felt an affinity to Bush was that if felt good to them to be more intelligent than the President of U.S. I pray the next President is more intelligent than me. If he is not, then I’m running in ‘12, because I can “act” more stupid than anyone, I guanantee it! And, if you don’t believe it, “Bring em on!”
Peace,
July 28th, 2006 at 4:44 pmIn His service,
PeeJ
No, it is the data, analyses and graphs of Michael Crichton, along with his sensible logic and sways my opinion, as opposed to the bug-eyed, red faced ranting of Al Gore.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
You got something against bug-eyes? Wanna take it outside, buddy?
(I prefer green faces myself)
Seriously, though, I don’t know what movie you saw where Al Gore had not graphs, data, and analysis, and spent the entire movie red faced and ranting. You must be thinking of Sen Inhofe.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:45 pmReply to Jason M. Hendler:
No, it is the data, analyses and graphs of Michael Crichton, along with his sensible logic and sways my opinion, as opposed to the bug-eyed, red faced ranting of Al Gore.
Ah, yes, of course…Michael Crighton (a lone science-fiction author) has ‘graphs’, while ‘bug-eyed’ Al Gore doesn’t.
Oh, wait…as it turns out, ‘bug-eyed’ Al Gore also has data, analyses, and graphs…only they’re not his per se…they’re the product of a consensus of thousands of scientists all over the world.
It would seem that the color of one’s face and the degree of protuberance of one’s eyes has little to do with the scientific facts one is presenting. But of course, being a celebrated inventor, you should know that, shouldn’t you?
July 28th, 2006 at 4:45 pmLiberals are whats wrong with America? That is stupid on its face and insulting to anyone with a brain, left or right. As a BIG liberal vetran who fought in the first Gulf War, I think this administration has f***** America. Then they fooled a lot of (conservative) wannabe neocons into following them to the koolaid stand.
Terrorist havent attacked America since 9/11 because, they havent wanted to, or they havent sorted out a plan they can agree on, that they like. Do you think they are stupid enough to stay in Iraq and fight (as we are told) the organized U.S. military so they can kill a few soldiers here and there? Those are pissed off Iraqi citizens doing that. The terrorist are biding their time, yes we have to be vigilant but think about WHY there was no huge problem with Islamo-Facist 60 years ago. There were millions of muslims then, so what was diffrent? Think they woke up one morning and decided not to like us? We had a hand in creating this problem and a smart president can solve it. Bombs will not solve it, no more than muskets could solve the British problem with America in colonial times. Listen to Pat Buchannan…this ain’t our war!
TexsaJuice
July 28th, 2006 at 4:46 pmRe: #208
An EE with a Masters’ and patents? Oooohhh, you should run for office! Oh, wait, does a Dual PhD ME/EE trump an EE with patents?
WTF does that have to do with anything except show that you’re out of logical arguments?
Let me know so I can see if I’m alowed to repsond to your opinion.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:47 pm#234 We are also terribly annoyed at marketing brats who think they know better than everyone else.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:47 pmTo all,
As for arrogance, it is the insecurity of those who didn’t attend Ivy League schools that is the problem. Note that I have posted on this board for awhile without flashing credentials, and only pulled out my card when my credibility was challenged.
Everywhere I go, I try to keep my credentials quiet, because when someone learns where I studied, they do their best to try to prove they are smarter, which showed in some of the posters here. I do try to accommodate other’s opinions, but I will also stand up for what I believe, for which others will try to label me arrogant.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:49 pmStanford is not part of the Ivy League, genius.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:50 pm#242, Andy,
My undergrad was in Mechanical Engineering at the University of Detroit as a General Motors scholar. What are your credentials? We are a rare find.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:52 pmRe: #247
My Mom loves me. That ’s all you need to know.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:53 pm#234 Jason M. Hendler
Scientist latch on to potential customers like themselves, who are fascinated with technology, but with no understanding of the business acumen, so they pursue dead leads and squander time and money with no return. They see large volumes, but don’t understand thin margins, and can’t understand how that yield little or no profit.
You know who thinks marketing a product is more important than the science that created it?
Marketeers. And that’s all, just marketeers.
My god, you’re full of yourself, Jason. Did you used to get a lot of swirlies back in junior high?
July 28th, 2006 at 4:54 pm#240, Trip,
I will restate what I’ve said on this issue before – liberals over-reached when they tried to sell the concept of global warming. When you stayed on the pollution message, you were fine, but you have made yourselves look crazy with the world is going to end tomorrow, chicken little, screeches. You lost your audience on this one, and will not get them back.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:55 pmEverywhere I go, I try to keep my credentials quiet, because when someone learns where I studied, they do their best to try to prove they are smarter, which showed in some of the posters here.
Jason, thats because we are smarter:-)
Jason M. Hendler the humble, yet patronising science opposing scientist … C’mon …
July 28th, 2006 at 4:57 pm#249, jimb,
Read my statements in #234, in which I say it is a balance of THREE things to successfully convert a raw technology into a marketable product – engineering, manufacturing and marketing – none is more important than another – ALL THREE are ESSENTIAL. I know. I’ve done it, so step off.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:57 pmYou lost your audience on this one, and will not get them back.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 4:55 pm
By audience, I suspect you mean you well good riddance. Golly talk about flights of fancy!!!!
July 28th, 2006 at 4:59 pmNo, it is the data, analyses and graphs of Michael Crichton, along with his sensible logic and sways my opinion, as opposed to the bug-eyed, red faced ranting of Al Gore.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 4:38 pm
Guess you better start praying that that great scientist, Michael Crichton, is right about global warming considering you live on a tiny little barrier island in Florida.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:59 pm#245-Progressives do not advocate “duck and cover”, we advocate using our brains before our bombs! We were all for crushing Osama and his cohorts. Saddam Insane was under check in Iraq so why mess with the devil you know. He would have been a useful tool against Iran as well…blew that oppurtunity huh? We still suck on the Saudi oil tit (Bush family friends) although Osama and his fly-boys were Saudi and then we go and spend treasure and lives in Iraq…for WHAT! Powell wass so embarassed that he had to lie for this junta, Connie is gonna be railroaded too if the present mid-east insanity goes south. All you can think is “progressives need to shut up” so we can mess this place up in peace. Well, we are not letting that happen. See ya in November!
TexasJuice
July 28th, 2006 at 5:00 pm#254, impeach,
I run out onto the sand everyday with my yardstick, but I don’t see any change in ocean levels other than the tides.
As for my honest opinion, I don’t care for burning ANY hydrocarbons, and would like for the federal government to create legislation that uses market forces to help industry transition to fuel cells, nuclear, solar, wind and wave energy. Targeted federal tax cuts and funding would make it happen.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:03 pmAgreed, but not everyone can generate sales and license agreements for those patents in excess of $1 million….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
I can say from experience that it is two totally different things to be able to create something and another to take it to market and still yet something else to make it sell well… that is why people like Nikola Tesla can invent AC power without which we would not have modern society yet they die poor…. and you have people like Edison who only invented one thing in his life and had Nikola Tesla working under him for a time and then end up quite rich … Edison was smart but also had great showman ship… I wish I had more of the Edison in me than I do … but never let that $$$ trick you into thinking that Edison == Nikola Tesla … without the Teslas there would be no Edisons… AND religion would still be calling lightning “fingers of GOD!!!!” instead of just puting one of Ben Franklins lightning rods up on their house…. btw Franklin gave the lightning rod idea away instead of making money off it… he felt it would be better for most people to have the lightning rods than it was for him to make money off it and then slow down the distribution…
July 28th, 2006 at 5:03 pmALL THREE are ESSENTIAL. I know. I’ve done it, so step off.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 4:57 pm
LOL .. we see your (alleged) name, along with four others on a patent for a monolithic (now thats interesting) something or other. Yeah, you’re a veritable Edison.
If nothing else you’re repetitive rants on this board have tagged you as at best average.
This embarrasing effort to legitimise yourself is really rather pathetic, pack it in why don’t you, it’s excruciating at this point.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:04 pmAgain I say, what world does Jason live in? Believe Michael Crichton? over the over 120 climate scientists the world over! I mean how imbecilic is that. California has been a literal oven for well over a week now, with the death numbers climbing. I hate to say this, but when the next hurricane that hits – well sayonara freak.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:07 pm#244 Jason M. Hendler
Everywhere I go, I try to keep my credentials quiet, because when someone learns where I studied, they do their best to try to prove they are smarter, which showed in some of the posters here. I do try to accommodate other’s opinions, but I will also stand up for what I believe, for which others will try to label me arrogant.
You don’t have to hide your credentials, Jason. They don’t mean that much anyway. All we need to know about you is evident in the fact that you think the addle-brained alcoholic in the White House has something on the ball (he doesn’t) and that you’re willing to repeat the moronic chants of a bunch of right-wing talkradio manipulators: i.e. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
You’re not dazzling us with brilliance there, pal.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:07 pmJason,
Of all people, you should be the first one to recognise the importance to have the proper studies and credentials in order to set up the correct test scenarios, and interpret the resulting data correctly as well.
You have challenged other bloggers in this thread because they lack the knowledge you have in your area of expertise, but are quick to take Crichton’s word over that of many climate scientists around the world.
Surely you see how untenable your position is.
Conversely, if you can take Crichton’s opinion on Global Warming seriously, you will easily understand why other people feel qualified to challenge you in your field -fancy graphics or not.
Finally, I think you should be plenty able to keep yourself above strawman arguments and name-calling.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:07 pm#257, Gerald,
Great post. People only sense what it is they lack. You have brains, but no money. You have money, but no happiness. You have happiness, but no brains.
It is tough to balance everything, especially with the have-nots throwing stones at the haves.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:07 pmJason M. Hendler
We have nothing to prove. The fact is that just reading your own comments on what you did (and how much credit you give yourself while ignoring the subject of the other co-inventors) you do an incredible job of proving that point yourself.
I mean crap, you take form over substance (Crichton versus Gore) as scientific proof, you discredit your own credentials by not being clear on what your function was on the job (A bit of everything sounds suspiciously like marketting guy with a hint of coffee boy) and then posting that first the invention made a lot of money, then saying it wasn’t a lot of money because of the Chinese moving into that field, and then saying it was half the company that hired you’s required profits to keep running for the year (not mentioning their actual profits.)
Your own bitterness against all science and scientists speaks of a decidedly minor role in that invention, or the perception of such. Your statement that they putter around and take notes shows that you don’t actually know what they were doing, and if you were team leader on that it bespeaks poor managerial skills.
You just don’t make a strong case for yourself.
Anyway, I’m gone for the next week, see you all when Bush accidentally on purpose sets off the rapture.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:08 pmI run out onto the sand everyday with my yardstick, but I don’t see any change in ocean levels other than the tides.
ROTFLMAO … could this get any better? With your yardstick you say? By Christ you’ve convinced me, you and your yardstick. How could a scientific brainiac like yourself be wrong?
Another piece to add to the puzzle that is Jason. Why not take your distasteful, self aggrandizing public masturbation elsewhere? We are genuinley interested in debating the issues, but not with the obviously disingenous.
Don’t forget your yardstick. ROTFLMAO.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:10 pm#252
Read my statements in #234, in which I say it is a balance of THREE things to successfully convert a raw technology into a marketable product – engineering, manufacturing and marketing – none is more important than another – ALL THREE are ESSENTIAL. I know. I’ve done it, so step off.
Oh, I think you pretty well established your contempt for scientists from the get-go. It’s what started this whole thread.
And the swirlies?
July 28th, 2006 at 5:11 pmAnd here come the trolls. A real onslaught today. “Islamo-fascists”, “communist/socialist” (are there any socialists left in this country?), the “blame America first crowdâ€, and this beauty: “a subconscious cry of feminists to finally be taken by force and dominated”. Wow. This guy is INSANE.
I love the way these guys type out grandiloquent screeds of realpolitik like they’ve actually studied the matters at hand. Do they get paid to squat under the bridge and shit out these turds and lob them at us? Is it a strategy to sap our energy by forcing us to respond to their insults? Can’t we just talk to each other over their heads?
July 28th, 2006 at 5:12 pm#245 you state “Managing the calm of an artficial peace allows Hezbollah, al Qaeda, etc. the time to gear up and show up.” Then why does this admin. go just half ass about it. Why not start knocking out all who oppose us in good ol Animal House fashion. Neidermyer is a dead man mentality. Can’t the decider make up his mind?
July 28th, 2006 at 5:12 pmGreat post. People only sense what it is they lack. You have brains, but no money. You have money, but no happiness. You have happiness, but no brains.
It is tough to balance everything, especially with the have-nots throwing stones at the haves.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
I had no appreciation for how hard it is to invent something when I was a kid… now that I have made several very complex software systems over the past 13 years I can say that you can NOT be lazy and invent high tech stuff…
Then I still had a lack of appreciation for what it took to sell stuff… I always that all I got to do is build it and then I am rich! .. cause I can make software that is worth many millions…. BUT I then found out I had no clue how hard it is to put all the paperwork together and get all the people to do the things that need done (escpecially when it comes to getting them to come up with money) and then make a nice professional shiny package that makes someone more inclined to check it out and maybe even buy it….
1/2 of and good product is the inventing/engineering
and
1/2 is all the other stuff that leads to the final website or package on the shelf…
This is what I try to get the open source people to see that they cannot just beat Microsoft by being good programmers… it takes alot more than that…
July 28th, 2006 at 5:13 pm#262
#257, Gerald,
Great post. People only sense what it is they lack. You have brains, but no money. You have money, but no happiness. You have happiness, but no brains.
It is tough to balance everything, especially with the have-nots throwing stones at the haves.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
Hey, I have a splinter in my hand. How’s your log lookin?
July 28th, 2006 at 5:14 pm#261, Greg,
Once upon a time, I was above the fray, but enough stone throwing from the peanut gallery will bring you down. I use selective slams to remind some libs that their slanders of racist, bigot, etc. are very injurious to one’s social standing, and should not be used flippantly, so I hit them with similar taunts to teach them how it feels.
My point about Crichton, is that he easily shows a far stronger correlation of average temperature rise with urbanization, which anyone living by a large city in the summer can verify, so the knee-jerk assumption that burning fossil fuels is causing global warming is suspect.
If liberals would stick to the pollution angle of the debate, and get away from the chicken little world is ending global warming hype, they might just succeed in convincing the average American.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:14 pmI run out onto the sand everyday with my yardstick, but I don’t see any change in ocean levels other than the tides.
That was pretty funny… I bet even the totally out there afraid of everything global warming related type dont run out and measure the sand everyday … hehehehe… I am sure you were exagerating but that sounds reall… ummmm… GreenPeaceish…
July 28th, 2006 at 5:15 pmDo they get paid to squat under the bridge and shit out these turds and lob them at us?
Comment by Massachusetts Lilberal — July 28, 2006 @ 5:12 pm
You know, I think they must. Let’s hear what Inventor-cum-Scientist-self-made-entepreneur (but not particularly well off because of those damn interfering chinks) Professor Hendler has to say on that subject. I could hardly be more amusing than his yardstick post, but we can hope:-)
July 28th, 2006 at 5:17 pmI use selective slams to remind some libs that their slanders of racist, bigot, etc. are very injurious to one’s social standing, and should not be used flippantly, so I hit them with similar taunts to teach them how it feels.
LOLROTFFLMFAO@YDMF!!!!
I am so glad you’ve thought everything out for me (no – everyone). I’ll just shut up and be a good Delta. Where’s my damn soma…
July 28th, 2006 at 5:20 pmI use selective slams to remind some libs that their slanders of racist, bigot, etc. are very injurious to one’s social standing, and should not be used flippantly, so I hit them with similar taunts to teach them how it feels.
Translation :
I’ve posted a few things in this post that were perhaps over the top, even for certified lunatic like me. Now I’m trying to back pedal and sell them as “amusing patronising banter with a point”. Sure yeah we get that:-)
Thus spake Inventor-cum-Scientist-self-made-entepreneur (but not particularly well off because of those damn interfering chinks) Professor Hendler.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:22 pm#263, Brian,
First title was Director of Product Implementation, supporting VP of Operations by interfacing with engineers to “productize” or make manufactureable a military tech. Later, I was VP of Operations. In between, I led outsourced engineers to further productize the tech for specific customers to whom I directly interfaced, and from whom I received PO’ and license agreements.
#264, Brian,
If you couldn’t understand the reference to the yardstick was a joke, then there is no helping you, but do cut and run after that statement, you weren’t adding anything anyway.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:22 pm#268, Gerald,
Good luck against Microsoft, especially since they are expanding in India by leaps and bounds. Soon, there will be nothing coded that doesn’t come from MS India.
#274, Brian,
Don’t call Chinese “chinks”, not even light-heartedly. I wish American workers were half as dependable as the fabrication vendors I worked with from China, but unions killed the American work ethic, so say bye-bye to manufacturing in America.
Yes, depending the poster, I respond intelligently, or viciously, or crudely – it all depends on them.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:26 pmIf you couldn’t understand the reference to the yardstick was a joke, then there is no helping you, but do cut and run after that statement, you weren’t adding anything anyway.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 5:22 pm
A joke communicated in as poor and arrogant a manner as every other post you’ve made today.
Thus, a bad joke. All in the delivery my man.
Er, boy.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:28 pmI guess the saying, “let Freedom reign” means:
Let Freedom rain down on your sorry Muslim heads.
Our President is a Psychopath.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:28 pmHow in the wide world of stupidity did we get involved in a discussion of one man’s academic credentials and the wonders/dysfunctions of science, engineering, marketing, invention, etc., which should be on the Scientific American Blog. How about a good, rousing debate on epistemological phenomonology? I thought this blog was about the failed policies and programs of the Bush-Rice foreign policy.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:29 pmWhat the moron said three years ago was already two years past 9/11, yet he uses 9/11 as being the impetus for his changing the foreign policy of the U.S.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:32 pmWhy does anyone believe a word he says.
Der fuhrer Bushit is completely clueless.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:32 pmA-ha!
President Bush said something!!!!!!
Release the dogs!!!!! Who-let-the-dogs-out? Who-who-who.
George W. did!
280 comments. Wow.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:34 pmI use selective slams to remind some libs that their slanders of racist, bigot, etc. are very injurious to one’s social standing, and should not be used flippantly, so I hit them with similar taunts to teach them how it feels.
Wow Jason. You are the TEACHER. Maybe you should patent that approach and write a book about it.
Jason, your far to impressed with yourself. No wonder you think Rumsfeld is the right guy for the job. I guess arrogance is attractive to arrogance. You and your neocon leaders are far to concerned about your social standing. Sit down and shudd up.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:34 pmHi Ho Chi Minh,
Glad you are here.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:35 pmYes, depending the poster, I respond intelligently, or viciously, or crudely – it all depends on them.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
Wow. And your first post in this thread was…
#22 These are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
All depends on us? Then we’re not against you? Or are we? Can you say contradictory, inflamatory, or hypocritical? How do you rationalize THAT stance?
Would you care to address any of these questions? I seriously doubt it. you won’t… trolls thrive on the avoidance or accountability – much like our current administration…
July 28th, 2006 at 5:35 pmMy husband just uttered a pithy comment on the moron’s foreign policy:
July 28th, 2006 at 5:35 pm“Bush’s foreign policy is “F#@k you!”
#283, Yikes,
Rumsfeld has had a tough job, which required a tough man. Liberals just can’t understand situations that can’t be handled over tea.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:36 pmYikes
“Sit down and shudd up.”
Hey, Yikes, there is going to be Jim after me crying why he supports something else.
You are not very truly considerate. You too think you are?
July 28th, 2006 at 5:37 pmMy point about Crichton, is that he easily shows a far stronger correlation of average temperature rise with urbanization,
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 5:14 pm
You’ve done it again -one needs the proper qualifications in order to know what test scenarios are relevant, and how to interpret the results.
Crichton does not have the qualifications. Nor do you (or me for that matter). Crichton can mislead at will and you woudn’t know because you don’t have the educational background to figure out if his inferences are right or not, or if his data sets are complete or not.
Can we agree on that?
And just because this is getting under my skin, here is a link to what real climate scientists are saying on Crichton’s book. Please read it, and keep in mind who is more qualified to study the climate and to issue statements.
If liberals would stick to the pollution angle of the debate, and get away from the chicken little world is ending global warming hype, they might just succeed in convincing the average American.
Then someone else (another Jason Hendler) wuold come along and say there is no polution, or that there is but it is good for you, or that there is but there is nothing we can do about it because it would disrupt the economy.
We would still be having the same discussion. Different poblem, but same arguments.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:38 pm#285, Y,
You are babbling. I will answer your questions, but they make no sense. Please restate without pronouns.
My statements are clear, you should be able to understand them.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:38 pmGood luck against Microsoft, especially since they are expanding in India by leaps and bounds. Soon, there will be nothing coded that doesn’t come from MS India.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
What are you talking about? My entire career is based on Microsoft…. I am one of the biggest Bill Gates fanbois ever >-) heheh
July 28th, 2006 at 5:39 pm#287-You are right, after lauching volleys of cruise missiles against Iraq in the first Gulf War and then standing down from battle stations, us liberals would go to the galley and have hot tea. So stupid…
TaxasJuice
July 28th, 2006 at 5:40 pm#290. Y,
You are babbling. I will answer your questions, but they make no sense.
My statements are clear, you should be able to understand them.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:40 pmMarie
“My husband… pithy comment…
“Bush’s foreign policy is “F#@k you!â€
Thanks for sharing.
Watching No-Spin-Zone? Tsk-tsk. You might get reported by progs (i think i misspelled, i think it’s frogs) and forbiden from party perks.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:41 pmSoon, there will be nothing coded that doesn’t come from MS India.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Unfortunetly because of Americans obsession with “I am dumb! That makes me cool!”
it is probably very true that we are losing our high tech work to India…
July 28th, 2006 at 5:42 pmJudd
What’s your point? Opinion, comment? Anything?
July 28th, 2006 at 5:44 pm#289, Greg,
The reason I don’t bother reading those other “climatologists” is because I am too familiar with the type. I have dealt with adamant PHD’s and their skewed data, who later had to admit they were wrong when the final results came in. The predictions of climatologists from 20 years ago didn’t come true, no more than today’s predictions will come true 20 years from now.
It is NOT the problem I care about, it is the LACK of a feasible solution. I know clean technology can be implemented, but liberals won’t allow investments in energy infrastructure – especially nuclear, so we stagnate with no solution.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:45 pm#287 first thanks to getting back to discussions of politics. Rumsfeld’s main job was pushing thru the PNAC agenda. He is also the one who pushed for the least amount of troops possible for Iraq and hope the Iraqis will fill the void. That’s not tough, that’s wreckless. He has put our troops in the very position the republicans 10 years ago said was wrong. They are now police troops. As much as you displayed your business sense you are lacking in military sense. Go hunt down “Beyond Nation Building” it’s a speech by that hard worker. He states staying somewhere too long is like a broken arm that wasn’t set right. It’s so easy for these armchair chicken hawks to talk tough but have no clue on what it actually takes to fight a war.
The man had no plan. You want to back him fine. I want to expose him for the wreckless pinhead he is.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:45 pmJason, your first post on this thread:
#
These are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
Your second post on this thread:
Keep your shirt on! Last thing this war needs is a hysterical woman
Your third post on this thread:
I would settle for sweeping clean the socialist / communists in this country that would have had us disarm our military after 9/11, instead of taking down the Taliban and Al Quieda strongholds in Afghanistan.
So let me summerize, 1. you are all for the “with us or against us” mantra of the NeoCons. 2. you are threatened by woman. 3. you are delusional that the NeoCons have taken down the Taliban and Al Quieda in Afghanistan and are delusional that anyone wanted to disarm our military.
Then more recently you posted this gem.
Yes, depending the poster, I respond intelligently, or viciously, or crudely – it all depends on them.
You think your intelligent!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
July 28th, 2006 at 5:45 pmYou have shown your idiocy here now go get some beer go home and shut up.
Gerald Gibson
“it is probably very true that we are losing our high tech work to India…”
No. It is not.
Lower level jobs always get moved to the places with cheap labor.
Are you new to economy?
Then do not talk about it.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:46 pmSoon, there will be nothing coded that doesn’t come from MS India.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
When you’ve got people like Jason running the US economy, that’s no surprise.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:47 pmBTW Jason, unionized workers are about 10% of the workforce now, so it’s a little lame to be blaming industrial decline on hem.
#295, Gerald,
Not just high tech – all financial services and phone support work is going over there. Manufacturing is going to China, so high tech product development will follow. Thank the unions for killing the American economic engine.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:48 pmYikes
“You have shown your idiocy here now go get some beer go home and shut up.”
Geez, this fella is rude. Must be euro-pian.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:48 pmSimply put. Justify the inherent contradiction in your two posts.
Or if that’s too tough for you, answer this one. How are other posters’ responses to your vicious, unitelligent, and crude first post (#22) in any way not conforming with your (sanctimonious) views in the final line of post 276? I might remind you that education only implies intelligence. It doesn’t guarantee it, so avoid the “I is smarter than you” argument.
#276 …Yes, depending the poster, I respond intelligently, or viciously, or crudely – it all depends on them.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
#22 These are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
July 28th, 2006 at 5:48 pmJason M. Hendler
“Not just high tech … etc”
read #300.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:49 pmThank the unions for killing the American economic engine.
Why don’t you thank the folks in India and China that do your job for a dollar a day?
July 28th, 2006 at 5:49 pmJason’s ego must be swelling with all the attention he’s getting.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:50 pmOh, no!!!!!!
Frogs site got itself into WWIII discussion !!!!!!!
You guys are in trouble. Big time.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:51 pmjustanobserver
“Jason’s ego must be swelling with all the attention he’s getting.”
That’s why Jason is here.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:53 pm#300, One Jew,
YES – it is. The FIRST jobs to go are lower level, but eventually, they build on those lower level jobs – just look a Japan. Who the hell are you to tell anyone to shut up when you are blind to the exportation of jobs.
#301, Emil,
Union membership is down, because the unionized jobs have been exported, because they couldn’t compete. 10% union membership is evidence of the failure of unions in the face of competition, not an excuse for non-accountability.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:53 pmone jew is too many
July 28th, 2006 at 5:54 pmJason M. Hendler
“YES – it is… etc”
No, it is not.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:55 pmTo #311 You are an example of there’s more horse’s asses out there than horses.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:56 pmYouare…..
I keep telling you that my responses are either flippant, or vicious, or whatever depending on other posters. A few posters are polite and respectful, so I am then polite and respectful back, and so on…
July 28th, 2006 at 5:56 pmOne Jew obviously knows nothing about the HIGH-TECH jobs going to India by the thousands.
“Lower level jobs always get moved to the places with cheap labor.”
That’s correct. Which is why American workers are wearing Walmart blue vests, instead of the high-paying industrial jobs they used to have.
The effort to eliminate TRADE UNIONS in the U.S., and establish bogus ‘free trade’ agreements, has been successful in eliminating U.S. jobs and lowering job quality by several income brackets. The rich are getting richer, and the rest are getting SCREWED.
Now the free traitors are building a superhighway across the so-called ‘heartland’ of America from Mexico to Canada. No American trade unions will be allowed any part of this bisection of our country. The highway will be de facto Mexican territory; Kansas City has already SOLD a large parcel to the Mexican government for a Mexican truckstop.
Jobs to Americans? ZERO.
Jobs to Mexican truckers (in uninspected, uninsured, mechanically questionable trucks)? PLENTY.
• Terrorist risk of allowing 80 ton semis to cross the entire U.S. and enter any city?
UNKNOWN (aka INSECURE).
July 28th, 2006 at 5:56 pmGerald Gibson
“it is probably very true that we are losing our high tech work to India…â€
No. It is not.
Lower level jobs always get moved to the places with cheap labor.
Are you new to economy?
Then do not talk about it.
Comment by One Jew
Who was talking about lower level jobs? We are talking about software engineering… the people that made the PC revolution happen… it used to be mostly Americans… now it is just too uncool to be a programmer… it seems to be that most Americans think they have a better chance at “making it” trying to become football star or get on American Idol…. besides computer people are all nerds … and who wants to read books all the time?
July 28th, 2006 at 5:59 pmhister
“one jew is too many”
1. Can you read, pizda, it says One Jew.
2. Just write in big letters: HISTER IS ANTI-SEMITE AND JEWS HATER
July 28th, 2006 at 5:59 pm#315, Paul,
Excellent post – most are oblivious to these happenings.
Trade unions killed themselves, by demanding more pay than their respective productivity could justify.
July 28th, 2006 at 5:59 pm#319, Gerald,
My dream is to be a poker star….
July 28th, 2006 at 6:00 pm#314. I’ll ask you in a civil manner. By what standards do you think Rumsfeld has done a good job? Also, what criteria do you use to say he’s a tough man for a tough job? You’ve ignored my earlier posts while you stragetized different business plan philosophies. Now answer the military questions.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:01 pmPaul in LA
“One Jew obviously…”
Paul, obviously you are from LA. Further comments not needed.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:01 pm#320, just,
It is based by his strong stance against the Washington Press Corps….
July 28th, 2006 at 6:02 pm“10% union membership is evidence of the failure of unions in the face of competition, not an excuse for non-accountability.” –Jason M. Hendler
NONSENSE. The ‘competition’ doesn’t involve equal health insurance, equal job safety, equal hours limits, equal employment, or any other level playing field.
‘Failure’ of unions to compete is actually unwillingness of corporations to support American jobs.
Karl Marx predicted this sort of betrayal by capitalism a long time ago. The American system of business used to be based on REGULATED capitalism. But now the Rapepublicans have taken off the controls, with the result that BILLIONS and ultimately a trillion dollars will have been OUTRIGHT WASTED by this maladministration, and we are set up for another hundred corporate scandals like Bush-backer ENRON, and public endangerment, like FirstEnergy’s Davis-Besse near nuclear disaster in Feb 01, or their East Coast Power Blackout of Fall 03. Punishment for these endangerments? Absolutely nothing, say it again.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:02 pmjustanobserver
“I’ll ask you in a civil manner”
Please, do not do this. It is sooooo not you!!!
July 28th, 2006 at 6:03 pmespecially nuclear, so we stagnate with no solution.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
I do have to admit that I have contacted left leaning organizations that work against nuclear technology and tried to convince them to keep fighting the old nuclear technology but start embracing pebble bed nuclear reactors (the kind that CANT go critical and dont create radioactive water waste) but they just said that we can free ourselves from oil and coal with other alternatives besides nuclear… it seems to me that an infinite supply of electricity (which is what nuclear is) would be the way to go if not for meltdowns and unstable waste…. and that is what pebble bed nuclear reactors do … but still they fight all things nuclear…
July 28th, 2006 at 6:03 pm“Paul, obviously you are from LA. Further comments not needed.” –One Jew
Because you hate Americans. I already knew that.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:03 pmPaul in LA
“Karl Marx predicted…etc”
Didn’t I say Paul is from LA?
July 28th, 2006 at 6:05 pmI would settle for sweeping clean the socialist / communists in this country that would have had us disarm our military after 9/11, instead of taking down the Taliban and Al Quieda strongholds in Afghanistan.
What about sweeping clean Pakistan… I mean what else do they have to do nuke USA? THey already sold their nuke technology to people that hate us and they are harboring Osama … so …. I guess Pakistan is too scary for the republicans… and then Saudis… dont get me started on them…
July 28th, 2006 at 6:05 pm#323, Paul,
Bill Clinton negotiated and signed NAFTA, how can it be bad for unions? It created an economic boom of trade for American made products.
Karl Marx is an amazing writer and thinker, but I simply disagree with him. The remedy to mercentilism is for there to be effective retraining and education, so that individuals can learn what activities create wealth for an economy, as opposed to those things that deplete wealth.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:06 pmPaul in LA
“Because you hate Americans. I already knew that.”
Just step aside for a sec and look at yourself – How deeply confused you are!!!!!
I am a proud American!
July 28th, 2006 at 6:07 pmThank the unions for killing the American economic engine.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
That is too simple minded…. I agree about the negatives with unions… I know how that situation works from people on the inside and it is true…. however you also cannot make Americans work for $1 a day and under whatever conditions a greedy capitalist that knows no limits chooses…. there must be a better way.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:07 pmRe: #322
Ah, now I see, it’s the Washington Press Corps who have created and implemented the whole, wildly successful, current foreign policy and military strategy in (wherever)….or lack thereof
When out of facts, spin the talking points wheel…
July 28th, 2006 at 6:08 pm#331, gerald,
The better way is for individuals to received training and education in activities that create wealth for the American economy, and not deplete it.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:09 pm[...]but liberals won’t allow investments in energy infrastructure – especially nuclear, so we stagnate with no solution.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 5:45 pm
Somehow I get the feeling you blame all social ills and problems to liberals, and so anyone who doesn’t agree with you ends up slapped with the label.
This is not a “Us vs Them” kind of issue: Nuclear energy spooks people, specially after Chernobyl. Besides, it is not as if nuclear technology is the only solution.
Regarding your comments on PhDs I know the type too. Not all are like that, and I would be hard pressed to imagine a global conspiracy of climate PhDs bent on convincing the world that global warming is real for personal prestige. It might work in a book of fiction but not in the real world.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:09 pmKing George, good strategy. It’s much easier to manage chaos. Asshole.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:12 pm#332, Andy,
If Rumsfeld can handle the Washington Press Corp so deftly, then I am sure he is handling the Defense Department just fine.
Actually, since they came up with a plan that took down Iraq in 2 weeks, I hold him up as a great example. Insurgency was inevitable, but with Israel taking down Hezbollah, the middle east will be freed for democracy eventually.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:13 pm“Karl Marx predicted…etcâ€
Didn’t I say Paul is from LA?
Comment by One Jew
Paul is 100% correct about this though… Marx was just explaining what was happening at the time … that is why the huge monopolies had to be busted up finally… and in Russia that led to Lenin and then unfortunatly Stalin…
July 28th, 2006 at 6:13 pmRe: #336
Well, then, you should unfiurl a banner on an aircraft carrier and proclaim:
Mission Accomplished!
July 28th, 2006 at 6:14 pm#322 You are going to base your decision for the Sec. of Def. on how he deals with the press? This is one of the most ignorant explainations I have ever heard. Let’s quantify who should be incharge of over 500,000 troops with a budget in the billions because he knows how to handle the press. Nevermind troops in Iraq are still not getting the proper armor to protect them. Forget about the no bid contracts to companies that can’t do what they agree to do. Put aside the flip flopping he did when we were in Gulf war of 91. Glad he can dance around those tough questions. You want to spout your ideology but have no idea the logistics and planning that this man has destroyed in our military. there is open disention in our ranks. The standards of acceptance have dropped dramatically. The military is about tapped out without a draft and you stand behind him? For all your business sense, you know shit about the military.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:15 pm#334, Greg,
We will need a combination of nuclear, hydro-electric, solar, wind, wave, fuel cells, etc. to get hydro-carbon free, and that only comes through energy investment.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:15 pmKarl Marx is an amazing writer and thinker, but I simply disagree with him. The remedy to mercentilism is for there to be effective retraining and education, so that individuals can learn what activities create wealth for an economy, as opposed to those things that deplete wealth.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
The capitalist leaders already have this training .. they just have no limits of greed and no limits in law because of deregulation and now we get what we are getting… a New Deal that offered gauranteed education in high tech areas for all Americans would be a good way to educate them AND keep this engine rolling.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:15 pm#276 Jason M. Hendler
I wish American workers were half as dependable as the fabrication vendors I worked with from China, but unions killed the American work ethic, so say bye-bye to manufacturing in America.
What ignorant crap. Jason, I have never belonged to a union in my life and it’s doubtful that I ever will. It’s just the line of work I’m in. But, I’m not stupid enough to think that if we didn’t have unions here that business owners wouldn’t be screwing their employees six ways from Sunday. You could forget about workplace safety, living wages, health insurance, and pretty much anything else that might preclude you from being enslaved. I’d have no trouble at all finding you thousands upon thousands of union members among the hardest working and most productive workers in the U.S.
Don’t talk about work ethic until you learn about it firsthand. You’re impressed with the idea of getting people to build your crap for 30 cents a day. Yeah, they sure work hard for their money when it’s barely enough to get them a pot to piss in.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:16 pmRumsfeld has performed brilliantly.
-Signed the ghosts of 2,570 dead American troops.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:17 pm#339, just,
Actually, I did work in the defense industry, and as others have probably guessed, my press corp response was a joke. I do believe he is a tough guy for a tough job, and no matter how well he does, it will never be enough for liberals, so I will keep supporting him.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:18 pmActually, since they came up with a plan that took down Iraq in 2 weeks, I hold him up as a great example. Insurgency was inevitable, but with Israel taking down Hezbollah, the middle east will be freed for democracy eventually.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
The problem with this is that Hezbollah or Hamas or some other scary sounding group is not just some aliens that came to this planet and all you have to do is getem all and we win… they ARE the people of the middle east… the people of the middle east have legit issues with injustice and killing the ones that stand up and fight just makes the ones that didnt before become angry and replace the ones you kill….
July 28th, 2006 at 6:18 pmWe will need a combination of nuclear, hydro-electric, solar, wind, wave, fuel cells, etc. to get hydro-carbon free, and that only comes through energy investment.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
But to the bought out Republicans that means oil oil oil coal oil oil coal oil oil coal….
July 28th, 2006 at 6:19 pm#342, jimb,
Perhaps there are some unions and union members that are hard working and productive, but I worked at GM with the UAW, and those guys barely lifted a finger back in the late 1980’s, when I was there.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:21 pmRe: #344
So, you’ve already decided that no matter what Rumsfeld does, it is right and, therefore, infallible, as long as it annoys ‘liberals’ (whoever they are)
July 28th, 2006 at 6:21 pmActually, I did work in the defense industry, and as others have probably guessed, my press corp response was a joke. I do believe he is a tough guy for a tough job, and no matter how well he does, it will never be enough for liberals, so I will keep supporting him.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Saying it will never be enough for “XYZ” is just another way of passing the buck or blaming someone else… there IS a limit by which mistakes become incompetence … and he has passed that limit as explained by the generals that worked directly with him….
July 28th, 2006 at 6:22 pm#346, Gerald,
I guarentee that energy companies would care weather they were supplying fossil fuels or clean energies, if the government paid for the transition.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:23 pmAndy and Gerald,
Rumsfeld implemented the adminstration policies as best he could. If you have a problem with what he did or didn’t do, take it up with Bush & Co.. Rummy is just doing a tough job the best he can, which I still believe is very well – not mistake free, but very well.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:25 pmPerhaps there are some unions and union members that are hard working and productive, but I worked at GM with the UAW, and those guys barely lifted a finger back in the late 1980’s, when I was there.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
That is only true of some of the people… I know some family members that were not that way .. and I know some people that brag about leaving for lunch and spending the day at a nuddy bar or taking some alchol off into some back closet and just spend the night partying … but that is the exception not the rule … harping on cliches wont fix the American economy..
July 28th, 2006 at 6:25 pmOh, and I worked in the Defense industry, too, and still don’t get your jokes.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:26 pmHey cats, it’s been fun, but it is time for dinner.
Ciao or chow
July 28th, 2006 at 6:26 pmI guarentee that energy companies would care weather they were supplying fossil fuels or clean energies, if the government paid for the transition.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Like I said … the republicans fund their BUDDIES in the coal and oil industries and throw some scraps to everyone else… if that is how FDR funded the manhattan project we still would not have a nuke.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:26 pmRumsfeld implemented the adminstration policies as best he could. If you have a problem with what he did or didn’t do, take it up with Bush & Co.. Rummy is just doing a tough job the best he can, which I still believe is very well – not mistake free, but very well.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
He is an insider… not some independant that happened to get the job left over from the Clinton years… Nixon was impressed by how ruthless of a prick that he was back in the 70s … age seems to have refined his skills.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:28 pm#344 So it’s now because he’s a tough guy? And that it’s not enough for liberals. First off, I never said I was a liberal. Second, you never refuted the statements I made about him. I have also worked in the military sector and continue to be in contact with many still active. This Sec. Def. doesn’t have the military’s best interest. You didn’t hunt down “Beyond Nation Building” did you?
Tough man says”not only do we know they have them (WMD’s) we know where they are”. No that’s not a tough man, that’s a wreckless man.
Same asswipe started looking at targets in Iraq the first week of our invasion into afghanistan. When asked why his reply was “there are no good targets in afghanistan, all good targets are in Iraq”.
That’s not a tough man. That’s a wreckless man playing with the lives of our soldiers. Unacceptable.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:28 pmSorry to tell you this republicans but it looks like your home grown heros the Aryan Brotherhood leaders got convicted according to MSNBC….
July 28th, 2006 at 6:29 pm#245: After I wade through some of the more inane prog comments – let me succinctly encapsulate the conservative argument: Managing the calm of an artficial peace allows Hezbollah, al Qaeda, etc. the time to gear up and show up. ProgWIMPS would rather wave a white flag and teach their kids an old game, “Duck and Coverâ€. John Kerry, Joe Circcione, et al who have attempted to make the Prog case as to why Dems should be trusted in a war on terror – failed miserably.
Note that nowhere here is an argument in favor of the Bush atrategy. It’s an attack on a straw man: the idea of “managing the calm of an artificial peace,” an idea that no one in his/her right mind would support.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:32 pm#276 …Yes, depending the poster, I respond intelligently, or viciously, or crudely – it all depends on them.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
So, basically, you are saying that you have no personal integrity to act in a responsible manner no matter what anyone else is doing? You don’t understand that your actions also impact others? No wonder you support BushCo, an administration that has taken no responsibility for how its actions are part of the problems in the world.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:33 pm#347 Jason M. Hendler
Hey, I’ve had one or two bad experiences with unions, too. I got greivanced for lifting a 10 pound box and carrying it 20 feet. A millwright wrote me up and got paid for 4 hours labor as a result of it. That was a bunch of crap. But, that’s minor.
Look at how well execs compensate themselves while at the same time they’re laying off workers because business is doing poorly. Is that sound business managment? Does that look to you like upper management has the best interests of the company at heart? I’ve seen unions make huge concessions to help a company get through tough times. It’s a way of saying “we’re all in this together” and trying to help keep the company afloat. The tough times passed, execs got their raises and bonuses and stock options and golden parachutes. The concessions were never returned, the workers’ pay never went back to where it was before the cut.
If that’s the kind of thing we see with collective bargaining, imagine how badly management will screw people when there’s no union standing in their way. The natural order of things at the top of the food chain is immense greed. There is no ‘honor system’. Management, with the exception of principled people like Warren Buffett, will take anything and everything that they can get away with.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:35 pmThe effort to eliminate TRADE UNIONS in the U.S…
Comment by Paul in LA — July 28, 2006 @ 5:56 pm
began whole-heartedly by reagan… the decline of the middle class american dream…
July 28th, 2006 at 6:36 pmall gone now…
#351 if your opinion is that Rumsfeld has done very well – given the obvious
July 28th, 2006 at 6:42 pmDISASTER that is Iraq- what would you consider a NOT very well?
Unless the goal was anacrchy, misery and terror I cannot see how you reach your
conclusion.
The reason I don’t bother reading those other “climatologists†is because I am too familiar with the type.
So, in other words, Michael Crichton’s ideas about climatology are more credible than those of actual climatologists because you prefer Michael Crichton’s personality type?
The 2500-member International Panel on Climate Control, the National Academy of Sciences, and joint science academies of the G8 nations, all of which agree that global warming is happening and caused in part by carbon dioxide emissions, is not to be trusted, but Michael Crichton, writer of fictions, is? I’m supposed to ignore over a thousand studies on climate change over the past 15 years, none of which disputes the idea that global warming is in part the result of carbon dioxide emissions, and I’m supposed to listen to Michael Crichton? Michael Crichton’s conjectures about urbanization are more credible than peer-reviewed science?
I just want to be sure I understand what you’re arguing.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:43 pmI am a proud American!
Comment by One Jew — July 28, 2006 @ 6:07 pm
Its a-holes like him that make me ASHAMED to be an american.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:50 pmManagement, with the exception of principled people like Warren Buffett, will take anything and everything that they can get away with.
Comment by jimb — July 28, 2006 @ 6:35 pm
And then I wonder why everybody hates communism.
July 28th, 2006 at 6:57 pmBecause communist executives take our jobs to China and Bangladesh to feed children with maimed hands -due to the sewing machines, I mean-. Then communist companies celebrate a fusion, and bang! half of the workers are out. Communist governments relieve of tax paying to rich people…
These are the beginning shots of WWIII, and it is time to choose sides. Either you stand with the United States, or you stand with the Islamo-fascists that blew up the World Trade Center – what’s it going to be?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
How lovely to have such a complex issue be broken down into a binary question. This is the outcome of strict monotheism and small thinking. When people are raised with such polarity in thinking it’s impossible for them to take a real look at the situation.
This isn’t WWIII and won’t become it unless this Administration continues to foster and promote the problems in the Mid-East. And the blatant, “You’re with us or against us” stance is the epitome of one dimensional thinking. It’s these offensive and confrontational attacks that are threatening the democratic republic that is the True United States of America.
“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”
July 28th, 2006 at 7:13 pm– Herman Goering
From 13:52 to 18:57, there (notice – not they’re or their) have been posts at the rate of about one per minute in this thread (And not that many trolls!). Is not this testimony to the idiotcy of the current Administration and Congress?
July 28th, 2006 at 7:25 pmmaybe not so many trolls, walt, but the main one managed to post almost HALF of those comments… an attention hog… given WAY too much…
but true, an accurate testimony indeed…
July 28th, 2006 at 7:35 pm#22 Jason MH: if it comes sown to Bush or the Muslims, I take the Mulims. Make 5-3 odds.
July 28th, 2006 at 7:47 pm#369: an attention hog… given WAY too much…
I agree with you, and I’ve been guilty of this myself. I sometimes can’t contain myself when I see such wild inaccuracies being propoagated. In this case it’s been hard to keep up.
July 28th, 2006 at 8:19 pmMr. Bush’s words are often taken out of context, but in this case, his comments via the transcript were clearly misspelled.
The ideology of “FREE DUMB” asserts that any and all persons are permitted under the auspices of an omniscient (often vengeful) Caucasian male to ‘priceless stupidity’.
As can be seen by Mr. Bush’s own life, he is a great fancier of “FREE DUMB” and partakes of it whenever possible. He has also been know to dish it out, often in volumes that boggle the mind – or in his case, the lack of one.
In the future, it would be more contextually and grammatically correct if, in place of “freedom” (which varies from person to person, place to place and offers no standard meaning), editors simply used the proper phraseology so as to communicate what Mr. Bush is mealy mouthing off about.
“FREE DUMB” not “freedom”.
Hope that helps.
July 28th, 2006 at 8:19 pm#369 – katy,
July 28th, 2006 at 8:23 pmI considered writing a filter to eliminate all post by Jason M. Hendler, but reconsidered as they represent the epitome of ignorance in humankind. I need to see the thoughts of the most ignorant person on Earth in order to understand how low the human race can sink.
What the hell is Jason Hendler on?
July 28th, 2006 at 8:43 pm#374 – dixie blood,
I know how you feel. I’m always surprised when I see him on TV, because he’s not actually dripping blood, the way I always picture him.
July 28th, 2006 at 8:45 pmCan anyone give me an example of a supposed “Islamo- Fascist”? I would like a name, someone I would have heard of would be nice. According to the dictionary definition of “Fascism”, the term “Islamo-Fascist” makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It’s like some ‘Righties’ were just messing around, and made it up, thinking that it would sound really scary to the average American, and the less than average as well. They do know their ‘propaganda’, I’ll give them that. But it is a totally stupid ‘tag’. It is esentially meaningless, not that it matters to the ‘Righties’, as long as it ’sounds good’, that’s all that matters. Pathetic, and yet, so common. Sorry for ranting, but that has REALLY been bugging me.
July 28th, 2006 at 8:58 pmthey [posts] represent the epitome of ignorance in humankind…
Comment by WaltTheMan — July 28, 2006 @ 8:23 pm
yep, like i said before – an accurate testimony indeed…
July 28th, 2006 at 8:58 pmyes, cyra… so many times today, i wanted to scream, “IT’S NOT islamo-FASCISM !!! IT’S ISLAMO-NAZISM (if anything) !!! it must make them feel like they sound intelligent or something…
idjits…
July 28th, 2006 at 9:01 pmkaty, Jason MH seems to have imprinted on you — and not in a good way. :P
Good rant, Cyra. I’ve been wondering where that term came from, myself. I think I heard it first in some story about some stupid Fox person.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:02 pmsomething else i wanted to say… about his response to my post aat #123;
Let me help you – try fixing up your hair, putting on a revealing, flattering chemise – and, of course, a skirt with nylons and heels, and try something new – act feminine – you know, like a woman. Maybe that will get you a man.
this is the same kind of asshole pig who would tell a woman, after she was raped or beaten, that she “asked for it”… you just know it, right?
July 28th, 2006 at 9:07 pmGerald Gibson
#337. “Paul is 100%…”
Wow. Now you are pro in marxism and Russian history too?
July 28th, 2006 at 9:07 pmkaty, Jason MH seems to have imprinted on you — and not in a good way. :P
Comment by Zooey — July 28, 2006 @ 9:02 pm
sure, and then turns it around that i’m after him…ugh…
July 28th, 2006 at 9:09 pmproject much?
i just avoid direct contact… and that gets him…
But it is a totally stupid ‘tag’. It is esentially meaningless, (…)
Comment by Cyra Brown — July 28, 2006 @ 8:58 pm
You are right in that “Islamo-Fascism” makes no sense. Like any good piece of propaganda, it is essentially devoid of actual meaning.
In my opinion, it is part of the Bush administration’s efforts to paint Pres Bush as a war president, by likening this “war on terror” with WWII. It is also meant to leave the unforgettable impression that Islam is as evil as Fascism and must be confronted.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:10 pmmadashell
“…make me ASHAMED…”
Well, for one – your eputation is known, then again – fix it up, your destiny is in your own hands – I moved in, you move out. Out-out you go!
July 28th, 2006 at 9:12 pmGood Heavens, Gerald Gibson is taking something…..
But, watch out: he’ll be back.
I hope he’s taking prozac too.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:17 pmWhat a Boooooooooooo-re.
Is that all you frogs can do?
July 28th, 2006 at 9:18 pmi just avoid direct contact… and that gets him…
Comment by katy
Just don’t use the words “direct contact” around him. *shudder*
July 28th, 2006 at 9:20 pmBush: On the one hand…
Okay, okay, where is the the other hand? I couldn’t find it.
Comment by ecoast — July 28, 2006 @ 1:54 pm
Ooo! Ooo! I found it! Check the picture on the thread above entitled “Bush Works For Lasting Peace In The Middle East.”
The girl next to Bush seems to be really enjoying herself…
July 28th, 2006 at 9:31 pmJust don’t use the words “direct contact†around him. *shudder*
Comment by Zooey — July 28, 2006 @ 9:20 pm
yes… living dangerously… imagine what the words “gets him” did!
and what’s with this: “a skirt with nylons and heels”
July 28th, 2006 at 9:51 pmis this guy about 70+ish???
but, ya know… he IS rich… and if old enough… … …
Ick…just, ick.
July 28th, 2006 at 9:59 pmBush needs to be renamed Doctor of Death, or just call him the Anti-Christ, or the Beast!
July 28th, 2006 at 10:30 pm#390- Katy, seriously, that guy gives me the ‘creeps’ when he starts talking about women, and my ‘freak alert’ really gets going when I see his more ‘focused’ comments. We all know he has ‘issues’, but he is getting to the point where he is getting out of hand. If he thinks it is ‘charming’, boy is he mistaken. Just creepy. I just worry, I know you can handle him. But… had to speak up about it.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:34 pmIt’s all simple to figure out, BUSH IS A SIMPLETON!
July 28th, 2006 at 10:35 pmJust a little explanation for my concern, the area I live in produced both Ted Bundy and The Green River Killer. But on the plus side, we’ve got Jimi Hendrix! Gotta be positive, if you can.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:42 pmJust creepy. I just worry, I know you can handle him. But… had to speak up about it.
Comment by Cyra Brown
Jason MH says personal things that are totally out of line, and yet TP lets his comments stay up. I say sh*t or f*ck, and I’m gone.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:44 pm#392- Jay, I’ve always been partial to ‘Masso Destructo’ for some reason that I cannot explain. :)
July 28th, 2006 at 10:45 pmCyra,
One more serial killer, and you’re even. :P
July 28th, 2006 at 10:45 pm#396- Zooey, if it gets any worse we should insist that he be sent away, because that is just unacceptable behavior, period.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:51 pmWhy do folks refer to the Islamic Fundamentalist who hate us as Islamo-Fascists? Fascism is a merging of government with huge cor[porations. What and where are these Islamic corporations that are merging with the Taliban or Al-Qaida? If you can’t tell me -don’t use the phrase.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:55 pm#399 – Cyra,
Too true. I mean I can stand him when he’s just spouting his FOX talking points, I just scroll on by, but sometimes he goes completely weird. I don’t use my real name, obviously, but katy does, and it looks like you do, too. It’s been demonstrated how easy it was to find out who Seixon really was, and I wouldn’t put anything past Jason MH.
July 28th, 2006 at 10:55 pmIck…just, ick.
Comment by Zooey — July 28, 2006 @ 9:59 pm
Just creepy. I just worry, I know you can handle him. But… had to speak up about it.
Comment by Cyra Brown — July 28, 2006 @ 10:34 pm
correct, and correct… and thanks for the concern…
July 28th, 2006 at 11:09 pmyou know i’m just kidding, right? not to worry…
Post 401 > Maybe Seixon is another persona on here? He is a paid GOP troll, who finally got banned by TP, so perhaps he just comes on here under another screen? I hope not, but one never knows?!
July 28th, 2006 at 11:09 pm#401- Zooey, it was his post at #80 that really made me queasy. Normal people don’t generally express such feelings in public. That is usually considered ‘personal’, and ‘TMI’. Freaky talk, from someone like Jason, should be of concern.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:10 pmEeeewwww, the troll droppings is getting pretty thick in here tonight, ’scuse me while I go get my hip waders on.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:14 pm#404 – Cyra,
Holy crap, I missed that one. And there’s Judd, right above him at #79. Hey, Judd, #80, what do you think? Does that make you proud of the comments section?
July 28th, 2006 at 11:18 pmyea, cyra! whoo! that one was a doozy!
“taken by force and dominated” … little jason has some freaky pipe dreams…
i was at a loss for words about that one…
i meant what i said in #123, but that’ll be the last time i broach that subject… promise…
July 28th, 2006 at 11:20 pmPat Buchanan 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jFZDbDyinw
No other conservative politician in the USA has such a clear-headed fair vision
July 28th, 2006 at 11:28 pm#408 If I didn’t see it myself I wouldn’t have believed it. He made perfect sense. Why wasn’t he this logical the last 20 years.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:45 pmLike 200 of these posts are Bush lover troll droppings right? Just asking > lol.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:46 pmYou are correct, Jay. Did you notice the sickness of Jason MH? Risser gets banned, but they let Jason spew his creepiness.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:52 pmActually, since they came up with a plan that took down Iraq in 2 weeks, I hold him up as a great example. Insurgency was inevitable, but with Israel taking down Hezbollah, the middle east will be freed for democracy eventually.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Indeed, they “took down” Iraq in two weeks….but obviously they didn’t believe the insurgency was “inevitible.” The beginning of the anarchy was demostrated by the looting, according to Rumsfeld “Freedom is messy.” When the insurgency (resistence) began, Rumsfeld called them “dead-enders.” Yep..he was right on top of what was going down there.
July 28th, 2006 at 11:54 pmZooey > yes I noticed Jason, but Judd has not seemed to notice him yet > oh well give it time!
July 29th, 2006 at 12:01 amImpeachcheneythenbush,
Check out Jason at #80, for more brilliance. You seem like a reasonable guy, let us girls know what you think.
July 29th, 2006 at 12:05 am#412- Impeach… Agreed. First, they took it down, then they took it apart. Then they got bored. And after they wandered off, Iraq got back up. And BushCo has been trying to put ‘Humpty Dumpty’ back together again, ever since. But the Iraqi people ran off with alot of the pieces, and so…. Jason is ‘Creepy’ as well as ‘Clueless’. Not a good combo.
July 29th, 2006 at 12:14 amBush is showing his real soul.
Hes a warmongerering fool.
And hes creating enemies so fast we can’t count them.
July 29th, 2006 at 1:07 amI was looking at this blog in the early afternoon and just returned after midnight. I think Jason M Hendler needs to take a day off, eat right and get plenty of sleep and check for viral infections. He is getting pretty incoherent the last couple of days.
July 29th, 2006 at 1:26 amAlso he tends to use a pretty broad brush for his enemies “all scientists” “all liberals” “all progressive bloggers” “all climatologists” where as he complains when dumped in the same group as “authoritarian narrowminded republican scum”.
What has happened to our clout? Simple question. Is it bigger or smaller? When measured from day to day, the answer can be honestly given harmlessly. Of course only to a point, hmmm. To much of either can be suspiciously looked upon by the inqisitive mind. So why not answer it directly, instead of totally avoiding the question about American clout in the middle east?(He for the upteenth time stated his policy. We know the policY.)He doesn’t know the answer. As long as whatever goal is being reached. The ends justify the means. How many dead? “30,000 or so..” But personally, I love the Press conferences.
July 29th, 2006 at 1:57 am#408: No other conservative politician in the USA has such a clear-headed fair vision
Buchanan is right in this particular instance. But I’m not ready to jump on the Buchanan ‘08 bandwagon. He’ll have to repudiate his contempt for homosexuals and a whole host of other things before I’d even consider supporting him. In other words, it’ll be a cold day in hell.
July 29th, 2006 at 3:42 am“Paul in LA “Karl Marx predicted…etcâ€
“Didn’t I say Paul is from LA?” –One Jew
And in the alley you grew up, there were no encyclopedias?
Every literate person knows that Marx viewed capitalism as inherently unstable. Forced to downgrade employment in order to compete, the capitalist system under Marx’s analysis is ultimately and intrinsically ANTITHETICAL TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.
But, OJ, you apparently don’t understand how much money we make in Los Angeles. Until you figure that out, you won’t understand my point, which is that REGULATED CAPITALISM under the control of a just government OF THE LABOR, BY THE LABOR, AND FOR THE LABOR is not supposed to downgrade employment in order to compete.
And I know that the unregulated capitalism (aka criminality) of your favorite fascists is your idea of America. Jesus wept, kiddo.
July 29th, 2006 at 5:04 am“What a Boooooooooooo-re. Is that all you frogs can do?” –One Jew”
The troll wants to pretend that the crimes committed by the entire Bush Shitehouse and throughout complicit corporate America are not crimes. He wants to pretend that gross warcrimes are not crimes, that torture is not crime, that abduction is not crime.
Kiss the ring, OJ. The opportunists crowd the traitor for a chance to lick his arse.
July 29th, 2006 at 5:29 amI agree with everyone here that thinks the rest of the world should dictate U.S. foreign poilicy.
July 29th, 2006 at 6:16 amOh, and I forgot to add… Kerry would have totally avoided this crisis because his plan for world peace was perfect… what was his plan anyway?? Does anyone know?
July 29th, 2006 at 6:20 am#408 Peter BBB: Pat Buchanan 2008.
July 29th, 2006 at 8:08 am
Gregory is the straight-man to the clown. David, no follow-up to his gems?
July 29th, 2006 at 8:37 am” and by root causes do you mean poverty, lack of potable water in region, freedom of speech, privacy , sovereignty? Issues you have been sucessful with in the US?”
We may not see, Lebonon , but the world saw New Orleans. fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.
Re: #377 Islamo-Fascist
Sure thing Cyra. Here’s an example of IslamoFascism:
In other words, the US/British installation of the IslamoFascist Dictator, Imperial Majesty Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi ,a.k.a. The Shah of Iran, is an example of “Islamofascism.” I hope that clears things up for you.
July 29th, 2006 at 8:44 amThis jerk again tap dances around the question and goes back to his favorite hiding place-September 11!!!!!!!! September 11 is the reason for all his lies, etc.!!! Has anybody ever paid attention to the “and” and “ahhh” responses this loser has come out of his big mouth every time a reporter asks him a question. He can’t respond!!!!He is a downright idiot!!!!! Try to count them-you’ll lose track after a while because their are sooooooooo many!!!!!!! He can’t answer a question and the press lets him get away with it!!!!!!
July 29th, 2006 at 9:13 amRumsfeld has had a tough job, which required a tough man. Liberals just can’t understand situations that can’t be handled over tea.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 28, 2006 @ 5:36 pm
You pitched a major temper tantrum when I suggested that of Saddam. Your double standards are showing again…
July 29th, 2006 at 9:41 amKeep things Calm. uuummmm… Manage Calm. aaahhh…But aaahhh… i’m the war president and aaahhh… Its my job to uuummm… think about war and to educate you people on uuuhhh… how calm i manage hea hea aaahhh to keep my temper when uuhhmmaaahhh i use the english language to uuuhhh…explain my foreign policy of aaahh…not letting them fool me by believing that it is calm because if it really was calm then uuummm… you wouldn’t have to manage it would yea? eeh eeh eeh aaahhh Sooo our policy is to root out why uuummm… it would have to be managed in the first place and aaahhh… that manifedted itself on september 11 uuummm…before i even knew what foreign policy ment soo who ever started that whole calm thing well we’re uuuhhh… gonna smoke em out and bring them to justice…TONY…
July 29th, 2006 at 11:21 amSpeaking of 9-11. CSPAN will be airing a symposium on 9-11 and the Neocon agenda tonight. Might want to have a look see.
http://www.americanscholarssymposium.org/
July 29th, 2006 at 11:24 amGeorge W. Bush – Making enemies faster than he can kill them.
July 29th, 2006 at 11:40 amPerhaps there are some unions and union members that are hard working and productive, but I worked at GM with the UAW, and those guys barely lifted a finger back in the late 1980’s, when I was there.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
July 29th, 2006 at 11:46 am——————
So,the cars made themselves?
You don’t know what you’re talking about.Yet again.
Judd
Sir, I understand you are in charge of this outlet.
Seeing the style of this site management, I do not expect you do respond in any way
(well, maybe forbidding my blog name from the use; which would be quite consistent with the concept of freedom-of-speech you claim to support)
But,
I would greatly appreciate if you could spare a few moments of your most precious time to read this.
Below analysis is in no way includes, reflects or relates to blog posts that is a separate concern. It is solely based on your selection of news pieces presented and the comments made by your staff members that is a group of accredited professionals. The problem is what for and how the professional qualities of your staff are being used.
ThinkProgress News/Blogs web site currently is a perfect example of one out of many biased extreme-left ideological outlets. These kinds of media reflect features that are very characteristical of the purpose they serve and have been most common across the media in a past and nowadays.
The biased extreme-left ideological purpose they serve is a BRAINWASH of the worst kind, reminiscent of the worst examples of media abuse:
- Soviet Union’s total government-controlled brainwash machine
- propaganda machine by Dr. Joseph Goebbels
Specifically, there was no time when the Soviet’s propaganda had been worse then the body you, Judd, are in charge of. Even in the worst times Soviet propaganda did present facts, news and opinions from “the other sideâ€, “the ideological enemyâ€.
You do not do that.
These claims are also supported by the following almost military style methods this site employs (in short – like Lenin said – “anything goes†kind of methods)
- the selection of negligent value news that further are being blown out of proportion with the goal to deceit and diverge the attention of your audience
- the elaborate selection of events presented within an article to serve the above goal
- the content of comments to the news made by your staff members serve the purpose of creating one-sided view; thus attempting to convince (brainwash) the reader as oppose to provide the reader with information, so the reader could build ones opinion on ones own
All the three items above are the 101 of propaganda brainwash.
In conclusion it is worthwhile to mention to you, Judd, that democracy is our heritage. It is the responsibility of mine and your generations to pass this heritage over to the next generations of Americans, hopefully making it stronger.
You, Judd, and your staff members are being used for the opposite purpose: to make democracy weaker, hopefully to diminish the political and intellectual influence of democracy.
Thank you very much for your time. Very Truly,
July 29th, 2006 at 12:09 pmbut I worked at GM with the UAW, and those guys barely lifted a finger back in the late 1980’s, when I was there.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
I thought you were 24?
My father worked at the General Motors plant in Doraville. He thought it would be a good lesson for me to work on the assembly line during my summer breaks from college. I agree with Steve53, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
July 29th, 2006 at 12:12 pmjames riser or PatrioticLiberalChristian or hister or katy or whatever blog name u use:
I have an outstanding debt to pay:
“tonight is slow…i welcome you to expand on your attack of what you believe are my epistemological roots…â€
C’mon, com out – this is your last chance to claim the price.
July 29th, 2006 at 12:12 pmI believe One Jew just plagiarized himself. I do not believe for one minute that he wrote those words. In fact, it is so outrageous, that I believe he lifted the “extremely right” and inserted left. I believe he inserted Judd’s name in place of whoever was the real recipient of this letter.
Its amazing. They freakin’ own the MSM. Their tired newscasts that shed half-truths, or not truths at all. They OWN IT ALL. So why do we allow them to spew their hate-filled messages on OUR outlet?
July 29th, 2006 at 12:16 pmYou, Judd, and your staff members are being used for the opposite purpose: to make democracy weaker, hopefully to diminish the political and intellectual influence of democracy.
Comment by One Jew — July 29, 2006 @ 12:09 pm
Someone most definitely has been brainwashed, and it isn’t Judd (hint: I was infering that it is you).
I never cease to be shocked that people like you see those of us who defend reality as extreme left wing, but our Founding Fathers, upon whose principals we defend and abide, as proud and brave men. When you fail to recognize that we are merely adhering to the tenets upon which this country was founded, you invalidate yourself and your arguments.
Try reading some books not written by right-wing propagandists. You might learn something.
Your neocon tactics will not work here.
July 29th, 2006 at 12:19 pmmadashell
“They OWN IT ALL”
Who, “they”?
“OUR outlet”
There is no yours and mine, it’s democracy. Remember?
“hate-filled messages”
Wher did you spot “hate-filled”? Care to ping-point?
“I believe One Jew…”
What else do you beleive in? Conspiracy theory?
Now, watch. Make sure you pay attention:
Here is a proof – the notion of concept “democracy” in this post IS CONSISTENT with the previous two ones.
And here is who indeed is “hate-filled”: are you going to agree with that proof provided above?
July 29th, 2006 at 12:26 pmNot only can’t Fox get the facts straight on most things, they don’t know how to spell either. Or are they purposely saying that the U.S. wants to “compliment” the Lebanese Army rather than “complement” it. I guess these guys and gals are part of the “Our children isn’t learning” program.
July 29th, 2006 at 12:27 pmKB
“…I guess these guys and gals are…”
Good. Your next guess, please…
July 29th, 2006 at 12:35 pmI guess these guys and gals are part of the “Our children isn’t learning†program.
Comment by KB — July 29, 2006 @ 12:27 pm
Last year I worked for a public high school teaching Science in a conservative district. This year I’ve just started working for a charter school in a moderate district teaching architecture. This summer I learned that we currently have anastronomical high school drop-out rate in this country. When asked why they leave – it is most always two reasons – school is boring and/or it is not relevent.
Guess who we can thank for making it even more boring and less relevent? Yep. No Child Left Behind is increasing our drop-out rate. While government funding for ‘Perkins’, a grant that gives money to Career and Technical Education programs (which actually improves graduation rates) is strongly opposed by Heir Bush…
July 29th, 2006 at 12:36 pmGood Morning all,,Thank’s Unbelievable, you write so much better than I….Met a right winger this morning, he didn’t know I was a bleeding heart libral and said to me.” Wish my countrymen had the balls our forfathers had and would boot all these bums out of office.” I then added ,” yes we need to clean up our government” and he said “clean up, hell, we need to go and throw them all out, with pitch forks if necessary”…..That from the right wing that are mad as we are. Flag up date 235 haven’t noticed 6 have…….Blessings, we need them…Peace, demand it now..
July 29th, 2006 at 12:37 pmHi Sharon –
I think you write very well. I always enjoy reading your insight. :)
I’m just so tired of the antics of the Bush Regime. Glad to hear the conservatives are catching up. Even here in the very red state of Georgia, the conservatives are getting angry. And we all know, they are the ones who like to use force when necessary…
July 29th, 2006 at 12:43 pmhey one jew –
first of all Think Progress is not a NEWS site/blog…
second, i suggest you refer to the grey bars at the upper right corner of the page, click on any and all, and then familiarize yourself with TP, CAP and the American Progress Action Fund…
and next time you want to contact judd for any lengthy rant, just click on the CONTACT US bar…
July 29th, 2006 at 12:44 pmspare us all… please…
RE: 435 One Jew attacking Judd
One Jew
Actually, ThinkProgress is barely a footnote in the media in terms of propaganda or so called “left-wing” bias. There really is no such thing. The tiny portion of so called “left-wing” media exists on the internet alone, with Air America, the BBC, and PBS being the only exceptions in the main stream and those barely register on the radar. CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, UPN, TNT, The Christian Broadcast Network, and any other major media network are controlled by RightWing/Corporate interest. Nobody from any of these networks challenges or dares to question the current regime in power in the US. There is no such thing as “liberal media”, period. This is one of the biggest lies the NeoConservatives ever came up with and is designed to suppress anyone challenging their greedy corporate agenda. ThinkProgress is merely a web site established by some concerned citizens who offer us a place to meet and discuss issues that have typically been supressed by the major media networks. I challenge you to produce this so called “liberal media.” At any rate, what you consider “liberal media” is undoubtedly the truth being reported about the Corporate/NeoConservatives and their greedy agendas. The constant Villifying and Demonizing of ThinkProgress and other so called “liberal media” outlets by NeoCons merely validates the claims made by the staff on this site and the few others like it.
This accusation is not only a lie but a typical tactic of the NeoConservative: Blame everyone else for what it is they themselves are engaged in. In truth, the Corporate Media networks like FOX, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, the Christian Broadcast Network, are the closer to the former Soviet Union in terms of suppressing the facts from the other side. This is why people like Cindy Sheehan are arrested and dragged out of the House gallery gestapo style for wearing T-shirts. How dare you insult the intelligence of everyone on this board with these idiotic lies and accusations. This is the type of lying crap that the FOX News channel spews on a daily basis. If you don’t like this web site and the staff here, I suggest you go back to watching the crap on Fox news or 99 percent of the other networks out there where the NEOCONSERVATIVE/FASCIST/CORPORATE MEDIA resides. The rest of us, and I know I speak for 99 percent of the people on this board, know the truth about you and the vampires you worship and parrot like a trained chimp. You’re free to spout your lies, but I guarantee you have no one on this site fooled.
And oh btw, you haven’t a clue about Democracy.
July 29th, 2006 at 12:59 pmBush is sidelining US foreign policy. In the past week he and little miss Condi, a girl on a woman’s mission, have shown the world how superficial US policy is.
Meanwhile, in the world of realpolitik, China must be laughing.
The most worrying recent news has been that Pakistan is upgrading its capacity to produce nuclear material for civilian and military purposes. If Musharraf is knocked off or chooses to go live in Florida, Pakistan could have a government of militant Islam in possession of a nuclear arsenal. Osama bin Laden would be a national hero, AQ Khan would be on hand to advise on nuclear suitcases, the failed narco-state Afghanistan next door would continue to provide safe haven for nasties and drug barons…
If Pakistan goes militant Islam India would hardly sit by and watch. It might adopt Bush’s doctrine of the preemptive strike.
The Middle East will be a sideshow if Pakistan goes militant Islam.
July 29th, 2006 at 1:09 pmmadashel
“I believe One Jew just plagiarized himself. “
A different thought:
I owe you something.
You have explicitly implied that the quality of my writing is equal to the one of professional journalism. That’s a complement.
So, thank you very much. Not bad for a software engineer who never learned English at school, is it?
Now, keep watching very-very attentively, like your best, you know?
You are very rude and inconsiderate. Tsk-tsk. Not nice.
You wrote “himself†– that’s sexist. You do not know either I am a woman or a man.
Do you?
So, you harass all Ladies who read this because implicitly you imply that a woman could not have written this. Do you follow? Do you see how bad you have become following the path you are going?
Once again, who’s “hate-filled� Will you agree with me for once?
July 29th, 2006 at 1:20 pmNeoConCorporateMediaLackey
“One Jew attacking Judd… etc”
Your mind is very-very SICK.
No one is attacking nobody.
It is actually called a search for truth.
Are you going to define truth now? or maybe “What “is” is”?
Now I “plagiarized” myself.
Or, I did not?
Or, I did not. I just happened to remember. I just quoted someone with last name Clinton!!!!!!! It’s not “plagiariazism”!!!!!!
July 29th, 2006 at 1:25 pmNeoConCorporateMediaLackey
“And oh btw, you haven’t a clue about Democracy.”
Let me guess, the argument is being “Because NeoConCorporateMediaLackey said so”.
Very democratic.
Wait, now on top of making definitions of
1. What “is” is
2. What truth is.
NeoConCorporateMediaLackey is also going to define
3. What democrazy is, NeoConCorporateMediaLackey style.
Hold your breath, everybody, don’t interrupt NeoConCorporateMediaLackey is going to thinkProgress.
July 29th, 2006 at 1:34 pmHey 289
Then someone else (another Jason Hendler) wuold come along and say there is no polution, or that there is but it is good for you, or that there is but there is nothing we can do about it because it would disrupt the economy.
Do you remember the great mind that occupied the White House a few years ago, Ronald Raygun. He said trees cause pollution. Trees are good so pollution must be good. You sciency types just don’t understand anything!
;-)
July 29th, 2006 at 1:42 pmkaty
Wow, phew. Thanks for a detailed directions. I was loast, but know I know vot to dou.
“spare us all… please…”
You personally, katy, has been always “spared”: all you have to do is to turn CNN on.
But, just curious, since when do you refer to yourself personally as “us”?
Sounds like multiplicity syndrome to me.
YOU MUST SHARE IT WITH YOUR COUNCELLOR IMMEDIATELY.
By now, the danger is – it is not curable… Sorry, if that’s the case.
July 29th, 2006 at 1:43 pmSpike Heels
“You sciency types just don’t understand anything! ;-)”
“.. the same way Spike Heels does” was the end of the sentence.
You are welcome Spike Heels.
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July 29th, 2006 at 1:46 pmBush is nothing buut a drunken loser (september the 11th) who doesn’t know his head from his ass (their out to get us september 11th) He is always trying to scare people so they don’t see what a frickin absolute loser scum that he is (oh yeah did I forget to say something about September the 11th in this last sentence? woops) the shit noodle is just a freak who can’t do anything right and he is using the ignorant people of America through fear to prop up his theft (and it is theft) of Americas public money. So for those that live in fear read the following sentence over and over again until you get sick of it and then wake up. September 11th be afraid, they’re out to get you, they’r lurking in ever recess including you bodily oriffices, September 11th. September 11th be afraid, they’re out to get you, they’r lurking in ever recess including you bodily oriffices, September 11th. September 11th be afraid, they’re out to get you, they’r lurking in ever recess including you bodily oriffices, September 11th. September 11th be afraid, they’re out to get you, they’r lurking in ever recess including you bodily oriffices, September 11th. September 11th be afraid, they’re out to get you, they’r lurking in ever recess including you bodily oriffices, September 11th.
July 29th, 2006 at 1:57 pm#447: There is no such thing as “liberal mediaâ€, period.
This is not true. As you suggest, Air America is part of the liberal media. Also, there’s The Nation, The American Prospect, The Progressive, and a number of other publications.
But I definitely object to your notion that PBS and the BBC have a liberal bias. These news outlets at least try to maintain some sort of objectivity. The fact that they–and The New York Times–are uncritically described as “liberal” in your post demonstrates how effective the right’s assault on the mainstream media has been.
July 29th, 2006 at 2:23 pmNeoConCorporateMediaLackey
“what you consider “liberal media—
Please, be accurate while reading the text. I have never mentioned what you imply. From where I am coming from it will be called “misinterpretationâ€, or in plain language – a lie.
What I did say is this:
“The … purpose they serve is a BRAINWASH of the worst kind… almost military style methods this site employs (in short – like Lenin said – “anything goes†kind of methods) … your staff members are being used for the opposite purpose: to make democracy weaker, hopefully to diminish the political and intellectual influence of democracy.â€
This also implies that methods used by some American media are borrowed from communist, totalitarian regimes.
Shocking? That’s because you never had a chance to compare. BTW, turn news from China on your TV, watch for awhile until you learn how news are being manipulated.
Jim
Neither I ever mention “mainstream media†Jim. Now take your definition of “mainstream media†and look at it critically. You will see that your definition does not work for the term “mainstream†is misused.
For example, prime time statistics for cable news are:
Fox News channel is an undisputed leader.
With half the audience second is “Daily News with John Steward†of Comedy Central.
Behind the “Daily News†are networks with negligible in comparison numbers.
So, as you see, Americans have chosen differently then you did. What you have to do is to respect the choice your compatriots made – that would be supporting democracy on your part.
BTW, isn’t it ridiculous that much-much more yours and mine neighbors would rather watch the news from Comedy Central then CNN, CNN Headlines, CNBC, CNBC World and MSNBC all together? Why? Because CNN, CNN Headlines, CNBC, CNBC World and MSNBC all together are much-much worse joke then Comedy Central could give you.
Kapish?
July 29th, 2006 at 6:05 pmSome so-called experts have studied the peculiar dynamics of the Middle East for their entire adult lives, written books, presented papers, and traveled widely in the area; but even many of those people find this a challenging region to fully understand and fathom. And along comes an intellectually challenged president and a secretary of state who made her reputation by studying the Soviet Union. One would expect a normal world leader who is out of his/her depth in a particular policy matter, to cast about desperately for people who could provide sound advice and defer somewhat to such people. But George Bush is not a normal leader; he is a fool and sends his people on a fool’s errands. He has no wisdom, no policy-making expertise. He depends on gut feelings to guide him. His reputation as a fool has been earned many times over, so one would expect more intelligent underlings to either challenge him or resign. It rarely happens. And one would expect that the mass media would be virtually feasting on all this foolishness as it did on Clinton’s difficulties. People like David Gregory can’t do it by themselves. It’s time to join forces with Cindy Sheehan, MoveOn, Truthout, John Dean, Ray McGovern, and others to donate, to march, to call congressmen and senators, and volunteer to get out the vote in 2006. Sniping, griping, and wringing of hands won’t change anything. “Bush is a fool” should be the rallying cry and basis for running him and all his enablers out of office.
July 29th, 2006 at 6:43 pmQuestion: How many posts does it take for a ReichWing Wannabe to string together a single coherent thought?
Answer: It’ll never happen. He’ll just try to spin himself out of the hole he’s dug and end up digging himself in deeper and deeper until he’s lost in a quagmire of gibberish, lies, and thought distortions.
Example: Observe the inane banter above
July 29th, 2006 at 6:49 pm