Zakaria: Rumsfeld ‘Seems In A Parallel Universe and Slightly Deranged’
Zakaria: Rumsfeld ‘Seems In A Parallel Universe and Slightly Deranged’
Newsweek editor Fareed Zakaria ripped into Donald Rumsfeld this morning on ABC’s This Week. Watch it:
Transcript:
[If I were running against conservatives,] I would make up a campaign commercial almost entirely of Donald Rumsfeld’s press conferences, because the man is looking — I mean, it’s not just that he seems like a bad Secretary of [Defense]. He seems literally in a parallel universe and slightly deranged. If you listen to what he said last week about Iraq, he’s living in a different world, not a different country.
Zakaria may have been referencing Rumsfeld’s “glib” remarks last week when asked whether Iraq was getting “closer to a civil war“:
SEC. RUMSFELD: Oh, I don’t know. You know, I thought about that last night, and just musing over the words, the phrase, and what constitutes it. If you think of our Civil War, this is really very different. If you think of civil wars in other countries, this is really quite different. There is - there is a good deal of violence in Baghdad and two or three other provinces, and yet in 14 other provinces there’s very little violence or numbers of incidents. So it’s a - it’s a highly concentrated thing. It clearly is being stimulated by people who would like to have what could be characterized as a civil war and win it, but I’m not going to be the one to decide if, when or at all.
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and everybody else just sits on their asses and ignores him because they drank the cool-aid
America is dead
July 30th, 2006 at 10:45 amRumsfeld deranged???
Nahhh???? it the rest of the world who is crazy.
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He has stolen my description!!!!!!!!!!!! I do however, paint the entire rabid right with the same brush - they all reside in some parallel universe — either than or they suffer from delusions or other form of mental illness. Sometimes I feel like I’m in the twilight zone listening to these people.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:52 amAnytime anyone sane goes on any MSM outlet and harshly condemns the war-mongers in this Administration, so that the sheep looking to others to tell them what to think can see it, I think it is good news.
The more the sheep hear the truth, the better it will be for us in November to give King George a Democratic majority who won’t just bend over (I hope). I’m trying to stay optimistic that November will bring the change we need. ‘Cause if not, Plan B is going to have to include storming the Bastille (now located at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue).
July 30th, 2006 at 10:54 amOh God, please deliver us from this administration in November…
July 30th, 2006 at 10:54 amAny of you just catch Tom Friedman on MTP with Russert? He was really very impressive this morning. He followed the Israeli ambassador to the UN and the same from Lebanon, and those two frankly suffer by comparison.
He also spoke at length regarding how America used to export hope and optimism, and that one of the reasons W is so hated throughout the world is because this has been taken away from them. Even if they used to make fun of our naivete, they envied our optimism. Now, we export fear, and W is the primary symbol of that.
He pretty much jumped on current US policy, and how we should be talking to the Syrians. He seemed to have gone with Baker on a number of trips to Damascus, and contrasted it with Rice’s current “quick-fixes” in the Region. You just get the impression that Friedman is an adult, something desperately missing from our current admin and state dept.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:56 amthe bush administration must tell lies and propaganda. if they told the truth, it would all fall down in a heartbeat.
more war is what you get
stop listening to all of the lies and propaganda
that is when it will all change
America is an illusion, it has never been anything else.
you are only lying to yourself if you think you have ever been free
Rumsfeld is definitely deluded and deranged. What else is new?
July 30th, 2006 at 10:56 amHe has stolen my description!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Beth — July 30, 2006 @ 10:52 am
I occasionally see things on The Daily Show or Colbert Report that someone here said first. I mean, really, there are a lot of very clever and witty remarks posted here for anyone to use as inspiration…
Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery, after all. :)
July 30th, 2006 at 10:57 amThere will be elections in November. The results will not be to the liking of Bush and the neo-cons and fears of impeachment will decide that the election will be declared null and void.
Bush is proposing legislation which will give him powers to make amurka into a police state, and with the aid of the neo-cons it will become so.
So - if the dems take the house in November, martial law ill be imposed, the election set aside, and Bush will be declared president for all times.
You asked for it amurka, and you got it!
July 30th, 2006 at 10:59 amI can only hope that Democrats trying running (no pun intended) on defense and security issues. If it wasn’t enough that the country is inundated with images of war on the nightly news, Democrats running adds about defense and security would be a boon to the Republicans.
Please, please, please focus Democratic campaigns on defense and security.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:00 am#9, Rebel,
George W. Bush was elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote.
William Jefferson Clinton was NOT elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote - only a plurality. Furthermore, he was IMPEACHED for perjury to a grand jury in a case about his SEXUAL ASSAULT on Paula Jones.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:03 am#11
Well, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion. But the fact of the matter is that the fellow who appeared on MTP this morning is no chearleader for the neocons.
Unlike some, I prefer to focus on the content of what someone says rather than what they’ve said before. If you insist on labeling folks as this or that and never thinking about it, you’ll get absolutely nowhere.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:07 amHey Fuct
Friedman spoke in calm, well measured tones. He gave credit to previous administrations, even Bush Sr. for their
persistence in diplomacy even after
repeated failures.
I notice that all you can do is call people names.
‘Nuff said.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:09 amYeah, Tommy Friedman has even come around from all of his Mideast war-mongering. We should put him in Stae, and just let Condi run for president. Friedman’s okay. I don’t agree with him all of the time, but at least he really gives the complete info on everything.
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July 30th, 2006 at 11:11 amhttp://www.sunstateactivist.org/forum
George W. Bush was elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:03 am
No, he was not. The Supreme Court handed him teh Presidency in 2000. Al Gore had actually won the majority of thepopular vote an dthe electorial votes.
There is now pretty substantial evidence that 2004 was not conducted ethically - so his re-election is also in doubt.
What will you do in November if the studies being conducted now are correct that the Democrats win big?
July 30th, 2006 at 11:11 amunbelievable Jason M. Hendler
Gentlemen. We’ve crossed our paths in some discussions.
I’ve posted
#435
#472
on
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 07/ 28/ manage-calm/ #comments
Please, I’ll be interested in you opinions on the subject I’ve raised. Please, feel free to comment. Your feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thx.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:12 am#13, Dr.,
Thomas Friedman is a talented reporter, columnist and novelist. He correctly deduced that Islamo-fascism (by the way, Nazi were fascists, so to say Islamo-Nazism is no different, and perhaps too specific to Nazi, whereas fascism is better, more general term) was the result of oppression of muslims under caliphates and other regimes propped up by oil revenues. America is an example of freedom, but in the middle east, it is used as an example of sinful behaviour, so I doubt Islamo-fascists EVER held us in high regard, so to say that we lost their support (when we never had it) is pure fantasy.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:14 amGentlemen. We’ve crossed our paths in some discussions.
I am not a man, gentle or otherwise. Funny, wasn’t it you who berrated madashell for assuming you were male?
I’ve posted #435 #472 on http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 07/ 28/ manage-calm/ #comments. Please, I’ll be interested in you opinions on the subject I’ve raised. Please, feel free to comment. Your feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thx.
Comment by One Jew — July 30, 2006 @ 11:12 am
I’ll get there.
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maybe he should talk to one of these guys!!!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:15 amYes Rumsfeld is deranged, and so is Cheney, and Bush has always been deranged! All 3 of them need to be removed from power and institutionalized for the good of this nation!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:15 am#16, unbelieveable,
In 2004, George W. Bush was elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote.
In 1992 and 1996, William Jefferson Clinton was NOT elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote - only a plurality. Furthermore, he was IMPEACHED for perjury to a grand jury in a case about his SEXUAL ASSAULT on Paula Jones.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:16 amIn 2004, George W. Bush was elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote.
That’s one opinion. If the reality (which may or may not be knowable) is that he was not actually elected because votes were lost electronically due to an array of possibilities or intentionally discarded, then your ‘fact’ is not factual… It’s just your opinion.
In 1992 and 1996, William Jefferson Clinton was NOT elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote - only a plurality.
I didn’t comment to that in your first post because I did not disagree with it. Repeating yourself just makes you look zealous…
Furthermore, he was IMPEACHED for perjury to a grand jury in a case about his SEXUAL ASSAULT on Paula Jones.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:16 am
So? What’s that got to do with anything?
July 30th, 2006 at 11:22 am#18 - Jason,
I don’t think he was talking about Islamo-fascists. He was referring to simply average people in the region. Things have changed dramatically amongst this group since W came to office. If you don’t recognize that, then your head is frankly buried in the sand.
I was in Pakistan in the early nineties, and had the opportunity to speak with a Pakistani ambassador. I can assure you he was no Islamo-fascist, and held US foreign policy/diplomacy in high regard. I do not believe this is still the case.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:22 am#26, Dr,
Considering Musharif is fighting Islamo-fascists after two failed assasination attempts, I doubt he has any qualms about what the US is doing to fight Islamo-fascists around the world.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:26 amDid Fareed Zakaria play the zombie king in the Indiana Jones movie?
-GSD
Oy, we have the rightwing douchebags that are still blowing smoke about Clinton “losing” the election. Hey, how did this topic come up in a discussion about CRumbsfled? Oh, yeah, Rightwing Troll 101—smokescreens. Never discuss the issue at hand, sidetrack with another hateful debate and always bring BIll CLinton into the debate.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:27 am#24, unbelieveable,
Opinion? It’s in the history books, and currently dubya is OUR president, so enjoy.
Anytime you try to claim that dubya is illegitimate, I will remind you that Bill was not elected with a majority EVER and that he was IMPEACHED.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:28 amIslamo-fascist? What about the Christo-nazis? The latter is presently killing more people than the first…
July 30th, 2006 at 11:28 am#27, GSD,
LMFAO! I am watching it now, and Fareed does look like he partied too hard last night.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:30 amunbelievable
“I am not a man … ”
Dear unbelievable.
I am humbly apologize for my being inconsiderate. I offer no excuses. Please, forgive me.
Please, also notice my responsiveness for what I am guilty of. (15 min or so)
Mostly, I appreciate your help in my attempts to be considerate.
Once again, thank you very much.
unbelievable Jason M. Hendler
Please, disregard #17. It should have addressed “Ladies and Gentlemen” instead.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:30 am#29, unbee,
Let me help you - just say Crusaders …
July 30th, 2006 at 11:31 amClinton’s so-called impeachment had nothing to do with Paula Jones > lol. He lied about his affair with Monica, under oath, so that resulted in the House voting for impeachment, but the Senate failing to vote the 2/3’s needed to convict him for removal from office!
In fairness: Bush should be forced to testify, under oath, about his relationship to Jeff Gannan the male hooker! If Bush lies under oath about that paid for sex deal, then Bush should get the same impeachment treatment as Bill Clinton, but I would prefer for Dubya to be impeached, and removed from office, for his criminal lies about invading Iraq!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:31 amI have to agree with the assessment that Friedman is a Neo-Con turncoat now that he sees just how shitty the Iraq has turned out. 3 years ago that nitwit was cheerleading the war and the”transformation” of the Arab world at the barrel of a gun. Now that Dr. StrangeRumsfeld and Chimpy and the Gimp have ruined the Middle East, THe US military and our nations economy and world credbility he has gotten off the Neo-con warmonger train.
Thanks Tommy Boy you are an Asshat deluxe.
-GSD
July 30th, 2006 at 11:32 am#31, One Jew,
It was an honest mistake …
July 30th, 2006 at 11:32 am#26-Jason,
You can’t be serious. Musharraf is no fan of what Israel is doing right now - don’t be naive.
He’s also frankly not the sort of fellow you really want to hold up as the model for an ally. Look into it.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:32 amOpinion? It’s in the history books, and currently dubya is OUR president, so enjoy.
It’s in certain history book sthat Columbus was anhonorable man. We now know that to be utterly false from his own writings in his own journal and other sources that validate his acts of murder, slavery, prostitution (he would give young Caribbean girls to his men for sex slaves), and theft which is he in the name of his god (gold).
Anytime you try to claim that dubya is illegitimate, I will remind you that Bill was not elected with a majority EVER and that he was IMPEACHED.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:28 am
I’m sure Bush will be able to add impeachment to his resume after the November elections as well…
I’ve debated letting you think that your taunt is effective… But, Jason, lambykins, I did not vote for Mr. Clinton in either election in which he ran. I also think he has his share of issues (far less than Bush’s issues mind you), as I, unlike you, do not see the world in absolutist’s shades of black and white, but in a million different colors… (this means I have no heros, idols or unrealistic expectations from anyone). So, pointing out Clinton’s history to me is not buying you anything… So enjoy!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:34 am#31.
If “Ladies and Gentlemen†is not exceptable, going forward I’ll do “My fellow ThinkProgress readers” if this is exceptable. In either case - I am open.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:35 am#36, Dr.,
Musharif would certainly support any sovereign nation to attack foreign terrorists firing rockets at your cities, because he has foreign terrorists firing RPG’s at his motorcade.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:35 amFriedman spoke in calm, well measured tones.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:37 am—————–
He always speaks in calm,well measured tones–even when he supports the murderous invasion of Iraq.
#37, unbelieveable,
Ah, so you just like to gripe. Typical ….
July 30th, 2006 at 11:37 amMostly, I appreciate your help in my attempts to be considerate.
Comment by One Jew — July 30, 2006 @ 11:30 am
I kinda like when you neocons assume I am a man. It’s just one more neocon who is enlightened to the fact that a woman can be educated and informed.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:38 amLet me help you - just say Crusaders …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:31 am
Spare me your smug condescention. I have no interest in simplifying the titles, as it takes the spotlight off the fact that the Evangelicals are murderous hypocrites killing people for the very thing they claim to be against… murder.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:40 amJason M. Hendler
#35. Thank you for your understanding.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:40 amAh yes, Musharraff, the military DICTATOR of Pakistan.
-GSD
July 30th, 2006 at 11:42 am#39-Jason,
He’s recently said that Israel can act like they are because the government in Beirut is weak. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:42 amAh, so you just like to gripe. Typical ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:37 am
I see you have no valid response to my valid post, so you just hurled an insult.
You’re transparent Jason, as always.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:43 amunbelievable
“I kinda like when you neocons assume I am a man. It’s just one more neocon who is enlightened to the fact that a woman can be educated and informed.”
I apologize once again. Very truly sorry.
Though - I am not a conservative: neither old nor new.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:43 amRegarding my earlier post on Friedman, I admit some ignorance on my part. It seems he has in the past said some fairly ghastly things in support of the Iraq war.
Putting that aside, however, I found his points this morning to be worthwhile. I don’t think it serves us well to assign labels to people and put blinders on.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:44 am#42, unbelieveable,
First, it’s funny to me that you associate being educated and informed with men.
Second, assuming One Jew is a foreign born American, it is common that foreigners don’t see any feminity is American women, as they do in foreign women. If you ever traveled abroad, you would see what real women are like.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:44 amI apologize once again. Very truly sorry.
I’m not offended. Was simply clarifying my gender.
Though - I am not a conservative: neither old nor new.
Comment by One Jew — July 30, 2006 @ 11:43 am
You might wanna consider how you are coming across then. Your actions suggest that you are.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:46 amIf you think of our Civil War, this is really very different. If you think of civil wars in other countries, this is really quite different. There is - there is a good deal of violence in Baghdad and two or three other provinces, and yet in 14 other provinces there’s very little violence or numbers of incidents.
If Rummy knew jack-shite about history he would know that the same sort of general statement could have been made about the American civil war.
There were periods, where NOTHING happened anywhere.
And there were many periods of activity where the only places anything of significance was happening was Virginia, Georgia, and along the Missouri-Kansas border.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:48 amJason M. Hendler
#50 “… feminity is American women … “
Since I have been referred to, I feel obliged to answer my opinion.
Personally, I am very fond of American women, American men, American society and American culture - both political culture and culture in general.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:49 amPost 50 Jason > I am sure that unbelievable will inform you herself that she is well traveled!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:49 am#52, attaturk,
Great post, great points. Love the moniker as well, I’ve been to Turkiye and Attaturk is like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and every other American hero rolled into one.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:50 amIt was possibly on Steve Clemens Washington Note web site,http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
that Rumsfeld was described as being literally crazy. An opinion that was said to be widely shared by many in the Beltway in the loop people, of which Clemons is one. I think Zakaria was just saying in public what many have been saying in private.
This is the state of our politicians and public servants and our press. The emperor has no clothes. He is deluded and his right hand men are among other things crazy and none will say it outloud.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:51 amFirst, it’s funny to me that you associate being educated and informed with men.
That’s not at all what I did.
What I did was associate neoconservatives with the belief that women are neither as educated or informed as they assume the least of men are. Big difference. Not surprised you didn’t get it. You’re not that sharp in these matters Jason. It’s why I have to keep explaining them to you.
Second, assuming One Jew is a foreign born American, it is common that foreigners don’t see any feminity is American women, as they do in foreign women.
Such a neocon comment. Actually, the many Middle Eastern women I know are also educated and far more aggressive than I (what I assume you consider a non-femine trait) because their culture is more aggressive than ours.
You are a patronizing chauvanist Jason. You habitually demonstrate this with your notion that women cannot be femine unless they are weak.
For your information, I frequently joke about being opinionated and assertive with my friends and co-workers who all then feel the need to tell me that they think I’m quite feminine. Weakness is no longer a symbol of being a woman in this country.
If you ever traveled abroad, you would see what real women are like.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:44 am
I would bet the ranch that I’ve traveled abroad far more than you have. And not on air-conditioned coaches or with tour guides.
Every woman is a real woman. Even you.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:53 amGreat post, great points. Love the moniker as well, I’ve been to Turkiye and Attaturk is like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and every other American hero rolled into one.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Thanks I chose the moniker more for the phonetic sound. Ataturk is a mixed bag, mostly to the good (did far too good of a job of covering up the Armenian genocide, even if he didn’t take part) but his secularism and moderation on many issues is admirable. His death before WWII really heated up was a real loss (or maybe saved him some ignominity if I’m wrong about my guess).
He’s rightly thought highly of in Turkey — though perhaps there’s a bit too much of a cult about it.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:58 am#57, unbelieveable,
Typical feminist rant. Call neoconservative men chauvanist, racist, bigotted, etc., so that they don’t criticize women or other minorities. My statements are against feminists who try to emasculate men in order to look strong.
Yes, middle east women ARE more aggressive, WITHOUT losing their feminity - I can understand that it is difficult for you to see what’s so obvious to men.
Women can be educated, well-travelled, well-spoken, without being pointedly emasculating to the men who have granted them the liberties they enjoy.
Will you at least admit that women in America have more opportunities than women in most of the world? If you do admit it, then why do you loathe American with every word?
July 30th, 2006 at 12:01 pmBush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) is a term coined by American political columnist and former psychiatrist Charles Krauthammer, to describe the state of mind of fervent opponents of the 43rd President of the United States, George W. Bush, and his administration, associates, affiliates and supporters. It is especially in use in the Blogosphere, talk radio, and the print media, as opposed to television commentary.
The term Bush Derangement Syndrome is usually applied as a derogatory term within the Blogosphere to imply that an opponent cannot be reasoned with. Some may also explicitly describe themselves as suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome to describe their politically opposed stance to the 43rd U.S. Administration.
The classification of political opposition as a mental disorder is not a unique phenomenon. In the Soviet Union, political dissidents would routinely be locked up in mental institutions and have psychiatric treatment forced upon them; it was thought that no sane person could possibly oppose the Communist leadership. However, Bush Derangement Syndrome is understood by most to be a satirical diagnosis, not a real mental illness, therefore comparisons to Soviet psychiatric treatment of political dissidents are specious, particularly since there is no true diagnosis or treatment for this satirical mental illness.
Contents [hide]
1 Expansions upon the concept of Bush Derangement Syndrome
2 See also
3 References
4 External links
5 External References
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Expansions upon the concept of Bush Derangement Syndrome
Thomas Lifson, the editor and publisher of The American Thinker, expands upon the concept of Bush Derangement Syndrome on December the 26th, 2005.
“George W. Bush incarnates a rejection of the very values, beliefs, skills, style, and psychology by which large numbers of America’s educated class define themselves. Their self-concept is violated by his actions, his manner, his attitudes, and especially by his triumphs. If he is correct, then they are terribly, terribly wrong”.
“Charles Krauthammer, a psychiatrist by training and former practice, has coined the term “Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS)†to be an affliction quite common today” [1].
Brian Mosely writing for the Shelbyville Times-Gazette on January 17th, 2006, expands upon the concept of Bush Derangement Syndrome with ‘examples of BDS in 2005′.
“In fact, nearly every calamity, event and news item this year has all been laid at the feet of the president. Can’t find a job? Blame Bush. Can’t pay the bills, take care of the kids or have bad health? Point the finger at the guy in the White House. Bad weather? That’s global warming, which can be tracked right back to a certain someone not signing a piece of paper. When brave soldiers fall in combat, you know who is to blame, and it’s not the terrorists”.
“Actually, this appears to be part of what columnist Charles Krauthammer called Bush Derangement Syndrome, which is defined as “the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush” [2].
July 30th, 2006 at 12:05 pmThis whole Administration appears to be living in a”Parallel Universe.” The fact that they wouldn’t actively involve themselves in the current conflict between Hezbollah and Israel, is further evidence of them being completely out of touch.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:06 pmThey are like firefighters, not being involved until the fire starts, except, with firefighters, that’s their job.
I think Sec. Rumsfeld has been perfect for the job he was hired to do. Namely engage the US Military as the main vehicle for the PNAC foreign policy agenda. He is not bothered with the notion of measuring resources against threats. He is just a soulless man, who tells the military what to do, that is his role, plain and simple. He sticks to the script quite well. I don’t think we’ll ever see a MacNamara style change of heart from him in the future. I think his stock portfolio holds all the secrets of his intentions.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:07 pmJason M. Hendle
“Attaturk is like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and every other American hero rolled into one.”
Attaturk is not. On his orders Turkey has committed the first large scale genocide known to Humanity – the massacre of Armenians.
Turkey still refuses to acknowledge this committed crime.
The details of this crime truly have no comparison. If my memory is accurate – in a few weeks Turks knifed (read it again; it says “knifedâ€) close to 2 million of Armenian population – kids, women, men and elderly.
Any mentally stable imagination fails to picture the scale of this kind of crime – yet it did happen.
Turkish people are still yet to grow up to recognize this crime and their responsibility for it.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:10 pmWow…Jason?? “Women can be educated, well-travelled, well-spoken, without being pointedly emasculating to the men who have granted them the liberties they enjoy”
Wow, I guess if a person feels emasculated it affects their brain and causes them to say stupid stuff like that.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:11 pmTypical feminist rant. Call neoconservative men chauvanist, racist, bigotted, etc., so that they don’t criticize women or other minorities. My statements are against feminists who try to emasculate men in order to look strong.
I only pointed out facts. Sorry if you don’t like your reflection in the mirror. I didn’t make you ugly.
I also didn’t emasculate anyone. You emasculate yourself all on your own. Every time you lump all educated and assertive women into the same pot. Reminds me of a supervisor I once had who told me, in front of the HR Director that a man who is confident, assertive and smart is seen as such, but a woman who is confident, assertive and smart is seen as a B-I-T-C-H. He was demoted.
Yes, middle east women ARE more aggressive, WITHOUT losing their feminity - I can understand that it is difficult for you to see what’s so obvious to men.
You speak for all men now? Wow, I didn’t know you were THAT arrogant. But I assure you, you speak for just the small neocon minority who can’t get laid, so they blame the Feminists.
Women can be educated, well-travelled, well-spoken, without being pointedly emasculating to the men who have granted them the liberties they enjoy.
You seem not to understand that others do not make you things. It is you who choose to feel in response to other people’s actions. If you feel emasculated by Amewrican women, then it is your choice to FEEL so. That means it is YOUR issue you feel inadequate and impotent. Why you blame American woman.
I saw a documentary on Russian brides. One of the Russian matchmakers said that the American men who fooled themselves into thinking Russian women were more submissive failed to understand that Russian women want the same things as American, or any other women. I can tell you’re one of those fools who fools yourself into blaming American women for your inability to get a date.
Will you at least admit that women in America have more opportunities than women in most of the world?
I don’t know that that is true, and neither do you. I think women in all other Industrialized nations have more equality than we do here. Is it worse in Africa? China? Sure. But, when you compare yourself to those with less, in this regard, you assure that your society does not advance.
If you do admit it, then why do you loathe American with every word?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:01 pm
I don’t. I just don’t tolerate you neoconservatives who think your way is the only way.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:13 pmGee, Jason, why aren’t you in church on Sunday morning, praying for divine help against our Satanic enemies? I’m afraid we’ll have to report you to Homeland Security as a possible terrorist and America-hater.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:16 pmRumsfeld has been certifiably insane throughout this debacle. A point I have sought to make whenever I’ve had the opportunity to do so.
With historical hindsight, people will wonder how on earth we could let ourselves be deceived to the extent we have. When Rumsfeld’s various utterances are set in a timeline, against actual events, it’s pretty clear that the Napoleon wing of any asylum will not suffice. The man’s delusions are in a class of their own.
Seeing his increasing despereation is somewhat worthwhile compensation, though.
BTW - in military academies, the “taking of Iraq” is taught as an enormous blunder. Rumsfeld raced his small army right into the centre of enemy territory, bypassing enormous caches of arms and ammunition, and thousands of able bodied militarily experienced Iraqis. He then put his force inside enclaves, and attempted to compensate for the lack of forces by brutal Rules of Engagement. These only served to further alienate those occupied.
One day, likely quite soon, the U.S. could be be racing for the Kuwaiti border in a retreat that will stand as the greatest proof of Rumsfeld’s folly.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:17 pm…you speak for just the small neocon minority who can’t get laid, so they blame the Feminists…
Comment by unbelievable — July 30, 2006 @ 12:13 pm
HOO- RAH!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:19 pmAlso,
somehow, yet again, I feel responsible for women vs men dispute that have sparked.
Here is my last comment on the subject:
My being a man means to me one thing only – I have a different set of hormones in my blood then THE OTHER BETTER HALF OF HUMANITY.
I am not prejudice against men, but my life observations have been – the men have more tendencies toward savage behavioral patterns.
Once again, these observations of mine did not make me prejudice against men.
Every single person I met in my life I give a fair chance. I only opine about a person based on one’s deeds. And I continue to do so.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:20 pmHendy: “Considering Musharif is fighting Islamo-fascists…”
ROTFLMAO!! He placates them as he runs for his life. Pak has snookered us time and again.
“Musharif would certainly support any sovereign nation to attack foreign terrorists firing rockets at your cities, because he has foreign terrorists firing RPG’s at his motorcade.”
Mushy’s diplomatic comity aside, South Waristan and Baluchistan are not foreign territories to Pakistan. Its his own miltary and former Generals who own the nations industries that he is most worried about. That, and perhaps that the US will discover their error in propping him up.
“Anytime you try to claim that dubya is illegitimate, I will remind you that Bill was not elected with a majority EVER and that he was IMPEACHED.”
Typical. The question of illigitamacy is not directly addressed by whether or not Clinton had a plurality in an unquestionably legitmate election. He was impeached, yes. For lying about sex. Lying is not good, granted. Take a look at the 2002 NIE on Iraq and then count the dead.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:22 pmHi katy.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:23 pmRE: #65 Jason M. Hendler can’t get a date (see Viagra)
Take it easy on Jason. He’s just angry at women because he doesn’t know who his father is.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:24 pmPsst, Jason Hendler is gay! He is a regular with me.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:25 pmRumsfeld is damaging to the interests of the United States. It’s past time for him to step down.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:26 pmComment by One Jew — July 30, 2006 @ 12:20 pm
I was raised Catholic, and have had Jewish friends over the years who empathized with me on the guilt factor. Even as an Atheist now, I still working on letting go of excessive guilt over stuff I don’t control. So, you should know that the discussion about men and women is actually a long running issue several of us regular women posters have had with Jason. It’s not your fault.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:26 pmAttaturk is not. On his orders Turkey has committed the first large scale genocide known to Humanity – the massacre of Armenians.
Comment by One Jew — July 30, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
The Armenian genocide was the first in the 20th century.
If memory serves, Armenians were forced into mass evacuations before WWI, while Attaturk was in office after the war -making him the first president of Turkey. Before that, Turkey was part of the Ottoman Empire.
I don’t know to what extent Attaturk might have been involved, but from my knowledge, he had nothing to do with the forced mass evacuations.
And yes, to this day, Turkey refuses to recognise it as a genocide.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:26 pmJason is just a tool…….
July 30th, 2006 at 12:27 pmI always scroll right past his poison.
#72 Jason still living in his mom’s basement might have something to do with that
July 30th, 2006 at 12:27 pm#65, unbee,
If I ever needed an example of a feminist trying to emasculate a strong, confident male who is willing to confront feminist, it was your post #65. Your multiple references to a man’s lack of sexual prowess is your first, last and only weapon. Why debate issues or compete in the market place, when you only have to grant or refuse sex to get your way. Feminism has turned you into a whore, trading on your sex - thanks for documenting it for me - it was the example that I was seeking.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:29 pmgood morning, one jew…
July 30th, 2006 at 12:31 pmhere we are again…
#76, Gregor,
Oh, I wasn’t saying that I believe that Attaturk is George Washington, etc. I was saying that Turks view Attaturk as we would view a figure who was all those people combined. Genocide seems to be pretty common practice in Balkins, Mediterranean, Middle East and Africa, so it wouldn’t surprise me if there is something to that claim.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:32 pmOn topic,
Rumsfeld has been maing statements that make little sense for a long time now (”there are known knowns, and known unknowns”).
I’ve long thought he does it out the need to be a shill for his boss. His outrageous statement about about the civil war in Iraq is yet another attempt to obfuscate facts and shore up support for the occupation of that country. Nothing more.
He knows reality, he chooses to ignore it, and hopes everyone else does too.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:33 pmRE: #79 Jason confronts women in typical Republican Fashion: Ted Bundy Style
“Ted Bundy is one man who so clearly personifies the horror of these twin blights on our society—serial killing and the Republican Party. Almost seamlessly, Bundy fused the themes of moral values and sexual violence to become one of the most horrific Republicans of the mid-1970s. In order to unmask the mysteries of the Republican mind, let us investigate the political history of Ted Bundy, a man who used serial killing as a mask of sanity to hide his deep, dark Republican secret.”
http://pushybottom.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 12/ republican-killer-korner-ted-bundy.html
July 30th, 2006 at 12:35 pm#72, SOB,
If only that were true …
July 30th, 2006 at 12:36 pmAh Jason,
‘Women can be educated, well-travelled, well-spoken, without being pointedly emasculating to the men who have granted them the liberties they enjoy.’
Funny how ‘conservative’ men are so terrified of being ‘emasculated’ by women. Terrified of women in general. Perhaps it’s because you’re not men to begin with, just cowardly little boys who like to talk big about ‘nuking’ and ‘killing the enemy’ and other tuff stuff. I always found your type to be very disappointing in, shall we way, certain areas…
Oh, and thanks so much fo r’granting’ me my ‘liberties’– you are too generous…
July 30th, 2006 at 12:36 pmI was saying that Turks view Attaturk as we would view a figure who was all those people combined.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:32 pm
And I agree. All I was trying to point out is that the accusation of Attaturk being involved in -or ordering- the Armenian genocide does not ring true to me. But then, I could be wrong.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:36 pm#83, Neo,
It is not Republicans who are hell bent on pulling feeding tubes from the mouths of quadroplegics - it is “Progressives” - now that is progress.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:38 pmAttaturk is not. On his orders Turkey has committed the first large scale genocide known to Humanity – the massacre of Armenians.
Turkey still refuses to acknowledge this committed crime.
No to the first, however, definitely played a large role in the coverup and refusal to admit responsibility.
The Armenian Genocide occurred under the “Young Turks” the group that Mustafa Kemal eventually deposed.
Kemal decried the genocide privately, but then took part in denying it publicly.
It’s the biggest stain on his legacy — and it’s a big enough one, without saying he was responsible for undertaking and directing the genocide, he was not. The fact that Turkey still refuses to acknowledge what happened to the Armenians is disgusting, and the perpetuation of the Ataturk cult has some role in it.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:40 pmI agree that Rumsfeld has been making ridiculous comments for a long time - that is the way he operates. But as of late, he has been even more outrageous, giving rise to the assessment by Zakaria, which I think is pretty accurate.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:40 pmRummy has spent so much time in never-neverland that he can’t find his way back to reality; therefore, he should be recalled and retired.
If I ever needed an example of a feminist trying to emasculate a strong, confident male who is willing to confront feminist, it was your post #65.
You consider that emasculating? Hell, no wonder you’re alwyas dodging the truth.
The reality is that I’m an educated an informed woman who is standing up to a chauvantist who says that women are granted liberties by men.
You aren’t the victim here Jason. Women are. Those with the ability to dominant are the ones who abuse, not those who are dominanted. Your claim otherwise is as ludicrous as me claiming to be dehumanized by butterflies. Something I can dominate cannot dehumanize me…
Or are you saying you can’t handle educated women who are smarter than you?
Your multiple references to a man’s lack of sexual prowess is your first, last and only weapon.
If you think that, then I cannot emasculate you.
Besides, my intellect is actually my main defense. I didn’t attack you. I am merely defending the women you seek to insult and deride. And, from your crybaby whining, it’s quite clear that I am winning this debate.
Why debate issues or compete in the market place, when you only have to grant or refuse sex to get your way.
I earned my college degrees and professional expertise without ever being propositioned for sex. It is you who reduces women down to semen recepticles and then cannot stand it when we refuse to comply with that notion. So you call us…. oh, yes… whores.
Feminism has turned you into a whore, trading on your sex
You clearly don’t know thr meaning of the word Feminism if you think this ignorant comment. It;’s actually an opponent of sex.
But, yes, you have no real argument so you call me a whore hoping to injure me. You’re bad at it. Men like you always are. It’s why you blame American women for rejecting you.
thanks for documenting it for me - it was the example that I was seeking.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:29 pm
You are delusional Jason. Verbally threatening me never works. I’m smarter than you and that is what is pissing you off.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:40 pmJason M. Hendle
“Attaturk is like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and every other American hero rolled into one.â€
July 30th, 2006 at 12:41 pm—————
Washington a hero?
Certainly not to Native Americans.
I suggest you not be afraid to dig deeper for the truth.
#85, drindl,
Yes, keep providing more examples. Feminists have taught women to view and treat men like little boys, so that they never have to live up to their obligations as real women. No men - no need to be women. You can now pursue other things, and never have to live up to your mother’s expectations and her unwavering critical eye. It worked out great for Maureen Dowd, writing column after column wondering why an educated post-menapausal woman can’t land a man.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:41 pm87. Now that has got to be the most ASSININE thing I have heard yet. Talk about going OFF TOPIC!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:41 pmRE: #87 Jason whips it out and compares it his personal hero, Republican Ted Bundy
“When he wasn’t having sex with a bunch of tax cuts, Bundy spent much of his college days campaigning for Republican candidates while somehow managing to volunteer at a rape crisis center. His multiple careers of rape counselor, rapist and Republican were on the up and up. By 1968, Bundy was appointed assistant state chairman of a political organization supporting the presidential candidacy of Republican Nelson Rockefeller. Ted Bundy also served as special assistant to the Washington state GOP Chairman.” http://pushybottom.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 12/ republican-killer-korner-ted-bundy.html
July 30th, 2006 at 12:42 pmway past time to turn off the jason-bot…
July 30th, 2006 at 12:46 pma real laura schlessinger fan it appears…
and a fool…
#90, unbee,
Right, just like blacks can’t be prejudiced, since they are the “oppressed minority”. I’ve heard this liberal diatribe before, and you can dress it up all you want, but that delusional view of reality only leads you to failure. You lose elections, and can only conclude voter fraud. You lose debates, and can only conclude bigotry.
Oh, and since it is only MEN who fought the wars, founded the country and wrote the laws, it is therefore men who granted you suffrage and other rights. Furthermore, it was Phyllis Schafley who denied you ERA, because she understood the full implications of feminism, and stopped it before it was too late.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:47 pmUnlike some, I prefer to focus on the content of what someone says rather than what they’ve said before. –DrSinker, far upthread
King of Swamp Castle: “Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let’s not bicker and argue over who killed who…”
July 30th, 2006 at 12:48 pmIt worked out great for Maureen Dowd, writing column after column wondering why an educated post-menapausal woman can’t land a man.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:41
Not all women want a man. Especially when there are several like you out there to select from.
When I am ready to get married, I will most definitely choose a man who is a liberal. They are not threatened by, but actually attracted to educated women. Probably because they can handle them.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:48 pmRummy reminds me of the two 85 year old men that mistakenly hit the gas pedal instead of the brakes and plowed into a Starbucks patio of coffee drinkers and the other at some outdoor function where 28 people were injured. It’s scary to think that the elderly Rummy is in charge of our defense department. Really scary!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:48 pmRE: #92 Republican Ted Bundy copycat, Jason M. Hendler boosts ego / targets women that challenge his manhood
“Although it is unclear when exactly Ted’s psychopathic tendencies took hold of his life, it quite probably coincided with his involvement in the Republican Party. In 1972, Ted Bundy worked on Republican Governor Don Evans’s re-election campaign; fourteen months later, he forcefully sodomized and killed several college co-eds. In 1973, Ted Bundy was issued an official Republican Party credit card; the next year, eleven more women were brutally slaughtered.” http://pushybottom.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 12/ republican-killer-korner-ted-bundy.html
July 30th, 2006 at 12:48 pmPost 94 > I never heard about Bundy being active in politics for Republicans > does not surprise me, because many of the GOP membership exhibit sexual perversions > Bundy took it to the extreme by killing women he raped!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:48 pmjason mark hendler
July 30th, 2006 at 12:49 pmmelbourne, fl.
look out for him ladies of fl
#6 Dr. Sinker
I did see that portion of MTP this morning; Friedman was, indeed, impressive. But I cannot get over the fact that for years, he was so badly mistaken about the war in Iraq, cheereleading at first, then saying over the course of two years, “we need six more months” that it’s hard for me to give him much credit when he does say something I believe is true. Particularly how America is increasingly viewed poorly in global public opinion and the BushCo resistance to diplomacy with Syria.
I also saw This Week and Zakaria’s comments. The “round table” was pretty hard on the poor statesmanship of Bush&Co — their lack of diplomatic skills, and how it appears that the cowboy hat has been put back on — and they are correct. Even Will said, the Democrats will be campaigning on “Are you safer today than you were?” and the public’s reply will be electing Democrats.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:50 pmUnbelievable - there is no use answering to JMH any more. He is nothing but a putrid fool. The lowest form of life. A traitor to humanity. His poor mother.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:50 pmHey Jay - want more???? Republican Hypocrisy Revealed
July 30th, 2006 at 12:52 pmI agree the Dems should make Rumsfeld an issue.
Why? Everyone thinks he’s out to lunch. The generals, the republican congressmen, the troops, the public, the international community….it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
And, more importantly, Bush and Cheney will defend him ’til the end. So, the attacks will quickly rub off on them. So far, Rummy’s taken the hits and Bush and Cheney have stayed more or less clean. This will tie them all together in a nice package of incompetence.
The Dems have to make Rumsfeld an issue.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:52 pmJason, that’s exactly what challenged unmen always say to women — you are not a real woman–you can’t land a man. Funny, I’e been married for 25 years to the same guy. A real man.
Your comment, btw, about ‘progressives wanting to pull feeding tubes of invallds, was sidesplitting, by the way. Thanks for the laugh. Everything you say is a dittohead cliche.
And as far as Rumsfeld is concerned, he’s senile, folks. He’s a doddering old fool.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:54 pm#102, troll,
Thankyou for reminding me. The other tactic of liberals is to “out” a non-liberal, making sure everyone “knows” his / her political views, in an attempt to undermine their personal and business relationships. If you can’t influence them, you have to destroy their capacity to live and work. Please continue, because as non-liberals get wise to this tactic, non-liberals are in a much greater position to use that tactic much more effectively. Look how affirmative action has suffered after the OJ jury decided to abuse their granted power, so we can play by whatever rules you set.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:55 pmPost 105 > yes thanks for the link > I have seen that list of GOP perverts before!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:56 pmOK, “ladies” (and I use the term loosely), I have to run, go ahead and vent, as you have on other threads after I leave.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:57 pmOn the subject:
Zakaria is well known for who he is and what he does. Have I been taken by surprise by his comments? No. He’s not a flip-flop. He is consistent.
He has he’s opinion, I have mine.
He’s wording was right. The placing of words was wrong.
Zakaria ‘Seems In A Parallel Universe and Slightly Deranged†– that is how I read the news.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:58 pmYAY!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:58 pm‘Look how affirmative action has suffered after the OJ jury decided to abuse their granted power, so we can play by whatever rules you set.’
Man, this Jason character is really deranged. He sucks up all the isane propaganda and swallows it whole. A mass murderer n the making, I’d say. Dangerous.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:58 pmRight, just like blacks can’t be prejudiced, since they are the “oppressed minorityâ€.
Not prejudice in a a waythat oppresses white people. No, they can’t. They don’t have the power. If you don’t get that, well, I’m not surprised. You don’t get a lot of really common sense stuff.
I’ve heard this liberal diatribe before, and you can dress it up all you want, but that delusional view of reality only leads you to failure. You lose elections, and can only conclude voter fraud. You lose debates, and can only conclude bigotry.
I care more about people than ‘winning’ anything, unlike you Jaosn. So if my ideals make me more humane - then I really couldn’t care less that a war-monger like you thinks I’m ranting. I’d also bet the ranch that I have less to fear than you do.
I lose elections? I didn’t know I was running for anything….
I’m not a Democrat either. I’m an Independent.
Oh, and since it is only MEN who fought the wars, founded the country and wrote the laws, it is therefore men who granted you suffrage and other rights.
You can have the claim to fighting wars. Personally, I wouldn’t want to take blame for that. But feel free to want to be the one to take sole responsibility for violence and blood shed.
Men did not grant women sufferage, we earned it. Guess that makes you the whores, huh?
Furthermore, it was Phyllis Schafley who denied you ERA, because she understood the full implications of feminism, and stopped it before it was too late.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
No one has stopped Feminism. It is stronger now than ever because of scared little boys like you. And we get closer and closer to ERA each year.
You do know that the white male in America is slowly and surely becoming the minority right? I suppose it’s a good thing for you that women and minorities won’t treat you as badly as you have treated us.
Matriarchial societies still exist in the world Jason, I mean Ted Bundy. They are happier, healthier, and they value their men. Guess that makes Feminism the bigger “man”…
July 30th, 2006 at 12:59 pm113. A true sociopath.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:59 pmBye bye Jason > go get laid if you can > lol.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:59 pmAnd oh, yes, he cuts and runs when he loses an argument, I see. He even admits it.
Hey coward! Run, chicken, run…
July 30th, 2006 at 1:00 pmhmm, and calling Torture a ‘fraternity prank” says what about your humanity?
6,000 year old Earth truly speaks volumes about cognitive abilities too.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:01 pmRE: #102 Republican Ted Bundy Copycat, Jason M. Hendler exposed on ThinkProgress; Public Warned
“Just like sweet Harriet Miers, the night before his 1989 execution, Bundy met with kingmaker Dr. James Dobson to burnish his conservative credentials. When asked by Dobson to explain the influences that led to his illustrious, career as a serial killer, Bundy was quick to parrot Republican culture war talking points.
“According to Mr. Bundy, pornography, alcohol, the violent (aka “liberalâ€) media and “detective magazines†produced this necrophiliac ladykilling monster.
You know what they say—you can take a serial killer out of the Republican Party, but you can’t take the Republican Party out of the serial killer.
Ted Bundy was a Republican.
http://pushybottom.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 12/ republican-killer-korner-ted-bundy.html
July 30th, 2006 at 1:02 pmGod’s chosen people Israel have directly killed UN peace keepers and only the words deeply regret, now they kill innocent woman and children with the same simple words deep regret. Is this how taking a human life is in the hearts of those chosen. But if any person in Israel is hurt or killed Israel says the world should have a out cry because no one should suffer on get hurt in Israel only those that don’t agree with Israel. The world must support and rebuild any damage to Israel while others well who cares what happens. Killing an innocent person means only to say deep regret keep bombing and we’ll repeat those words as necessary.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:05 pmAccording to science there are 26 dimentions. Rummie is obviously living in one of those other 25 .
July 30th, 2006 at 1:06 pm[…] Also courtesy of Think Progress this fine morning, the usually staid Fareed Zakaria drops some cheeky comic book / sci-fi science on Donald Rumsfeld on national television. […]
July 30th, 2006 at 1:06 pmWomen can be educated, well-travelled, well-spoken, without being pointedly emasculating to the men who have granted them the liberties they enjoy.
Feminism has turned you into a whore, trading on your sex…
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Jason, can you just shut the f*ck up?
July 30th, 2006 at 1:07 pmClarification: In my responses to Jason “Ted Bundy” Hendler, when I reference men, I only mean the derogatory neocon type who think women should be barefoot and pregnant while washing their dirty dishes with a smile… and definitely NOT those of you guys here at TP who are Progressives. I have a lot of respect for you. If there is such a thing as real men, you are it. :)
July 30th, 2006 at 1:08 pmUmm, Jackie, it’s a little more complicated than that. What is Israel supposed to do while it gets bombed every day and is surrounded by enemies who want to wipe it off the eirth?
But frankly, I’m afraid that Olmert is allowing himself to be used by American neocons who want to get into a war with Syria and Iran [before the elections, to distract from Iraqw[ and that Israel will suffer as a result of it.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:09 pmif only…
How We Miss Yitzhak Rabin
When Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995, we felt a profound loss and a sense of horrible foreboding.
He was killed by a right wing Israeli — not an Arab, not a Palestinian, not an Iranian, not a Syrian. He was killed by a fanatical, radical Israeli who saw the democratically elected Prime Minister of Israel as a proponent of the Oslo accords and as an enemy of the settler movement.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:13 pmThis has nothing to do with the story but…From reading blogs from the Left and Right there is a big divide in the level of communication, the difference is between the infantile and the educated responce, guess who’s educated.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:15 pm#127 - Please say it’s us. It’s hard to tell from some of these threads. :)
July 30th, 2006 at 1:17 pmzooey - you crack me up…
July 30th, 2006 at 1:20 pmguess who’s educated.
Comment by SUSA — July 30, 2006 @ 1:15 pm
I don’t have to guess. As an educator in a red state who works with mostly liberal folks, I know that those who are educated are more inclined to be liberals. As Stephen Colbert pointed out, reality has a liberal bias. And what is education if not an awareness of the real world?
July 30th, 2006 at 1:21 pm#127: “educated ‘response’”
July 30th, 2006 at 1:22 pmUmm, Jackie, it’s a little more complicated than that. What is Israel supposed to do while it gets bombed every day and is surrounded by enemies who want to wipe it off the eirth?
But frankly, I’m afraid that Olmert is allowing himself to be used by American neocons who want to get into a war with Syria and Iran [before the elections, to distract from Iraqw[ and that Israel will suffer as a result of it.
Comment by Drindl
Considering no rockets were being fired into Israel until Israel started smashing Lebanon… then yes it is that simple. The rockets are a direct result of Israel going too far. If Hezbollah had been firing missles at Israeli cities we would have been seeing this fighting a long time ago.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:25 pmJason M. Hendler,
Al Gore won the popular vote. And if we are democratic in America then Bush should have never won. Democracy translates to ‘people rule’. I’m looking at the Wikipedia entry on the 2000 election that tells me that AL GORE WON THE POPULAR VOTE. Don’t argue about it, it’s written in every encyclopedia on this planet.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:26 pmJason Hendler is a moron. If he thinks Dubya was elected in 2000, he must be smoking the same stuff Rummy is smoking. Jason I know you a dumb, but any fool should be able to see that we are in grave danger because of the actions this administration have take since 9-11. It’s one thing to politicize 9-11, but the facts of what is happening on the ground in Iraq can’t be twisted because of all of the soldier who have died since Dubya landed on the Aircraft Carrier and declared victory. Who need to stop smoking that crack and wake up my friend, we are safe and never will be with this bunch in charge.
First of all you can’t make the sun shine on a rainly day by denying that it’s raining. All of the lies in the world won’t stop Iran from developing WMD and giving them to Bin Laden to use against us. Now I don’t know about you Jason, but I don’t want to end up glowing in the dark because of party loyality. Think for one minute please, Bin Laden and his terrorist didn’t stop to check to see what party the people killed in the World Trade Center belonged too. We are all in danger and lying about it only helps the terrorist. If the police know a killer is on the loose, I want to know about it. Not have them to keep it secret and just say that the victims just suddenly died for no reason.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:30 pmWhat happened with the Rumsfeld topic here. This thread has been cheap, tattered, stained with ad hominems and displaced hostility. It must end now.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:31 pm#127:
Well I’m glad you could understand what word I ment, since language is used to communicate.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:32 pmWhat happened with the Rumsfeld topic here.
Obviously it wasn’t as interesting… There’s only so much you can say about Dumsfeld
This thread has been cheap, tattered, stained with ad hominems and displaced hostility. It must end now.
Comment by tablogloid — July 30, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
It ended 30 minutes ago. But don’t expect it to stay ended. Topics critical of the republican party invariably bring out left v right issues.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:37 pm“Highly concentrated” because it’s limited to Baghdad? Wouldn’t that be like saying a conflict in the U.S. were highly concentrated if it were “limited to Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont, Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia?
July 30th, 2006 at 1:41 pmI’ve been following the disintegration with interest …. I think I have the reason.
Inventor-cum-Scientist-self-made-entepreneur (but not particularly well off because of those damn interfering chinks) Professor Hendler
I’d recommend not engaging with him, it just tends to wreck the thread.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:41 pmWhat happened with the Rumsfeld topic here. This thread has been cheap, tattered, stained with ad hominems and displaced hostility. It must end now.
Comment by tablogloid — July 30, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
it’s gonna be a loooong day for you then!
July 30th, 2006 at 1:44 pm#137 You’re not the boss of me
July 30th, 2006 at 1:44 pmI’d recommend not engaging with him, it just tends to wreck the thread.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — July 30, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
I guess I see it differently. I think that by ignoring the opposition, as liberals have done, it