Zakaria: Rumsfeld ‘Seems In A Parallel Universe and Slightly Deranged’
Zakaria: Rumsfeld ‘Seems In A Parallel Universe and Slightly Deranged’
Newsweek editor Fareed Zakaria ripped into Donald Rumsfeld this morning on ABC’s This Week. Watch it:
Transcript:
[If I were running against conservatives,] I would make up a campaign commercial almost entirely of Donald Rumsfeld’s press conferences, because the man is looking — I mean, it’s not just that he seems like a bad Secretary of [Defense]. He seems literally in a parallel universe and slightly deranged. If you listen to what he said last week about Iraq, he’s living in a different world, not a different country.
Zakaria may have been referencing Rumsfeld’s “glib” remarks last week when asked whether Iraq was getting “closer to a civil war“:
SEC. RUMSFELD: Oh, I don’t know. You know, I thought about that last night, and just musing over the words, the phrase, and what constitutes it. If you think of our Civil War, this is really very different. If you think of civil wars in other countries, this is really quite different. There is - there is a good deal of violence in Baghdad and two or three other provinces, and yet in 14 other provinces there’s very little violence or numbers of incidents. So it’s a - it’s a highly concentrated thing. It clearly is being stimulated by people who would like to have what could be characterized as a civil war and win it, but I’m not going to be the one to decide if, when or at all.
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and everybody else just sits on their asses and ignores him because they drank the cool-aid
America is dead
July 30th, 2006 at 10:45 amRumsfeld deranged???
Nahhh???? it the rest of the world who is crazy.
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He has stolen my description!!!!!!!!!!!! I do however, paint the entire rabid right with the same brush - they all reside in some parallel universe --- either than or they suffer from delusions or other form of mental illness. Sometimes I feel like I'm in the twilight zone listening to these people.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:52 amAnytime anyone sane goes on any MSM outlet and harshly condemns the war-mongers in this Administration, so that the sheep looking to others to tell them what to think can see it, I think it is good news.
The more the sheep hear the truth, the better it will be for us in November to give King George a Democratic majority who won't just bend over (I hope). I'm trying to stay optimistic that November will bring the change we need. 'Cause if not, Plan B is going to have to include storming the Bastille (now located at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue).
July 30th, 2006 at 10:54 amOh God, please deliver us from this administration in November...
July 30th, 2006 at 10:54 amAny of you just catch Tom Friedman on MTP with Russert? He was really very impressive this morning. He followed the Israeli ambassador to the UN and the same from Lebanon, and those two frankly suffer by comparison.
He also spoke at length regarding how America used to export hope and optimism, and that one of the reasons W is so hated throughout the world is because this has been taken away from them. Even if they used to make fun of our naivete, they envied our optimism. Now, we export fear, and W is the primary symbol of that.
He pretty much jumped on current US policy, and how we should be talking to the Syrians. He seemed to have gone with Baker on a number of trips to Damascus, and contrasted it with Rice's current "quick-fixes" in the Region. You just get the impression that Friedman is an adult, something desperately missing from our current admin and state dept.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:56 amthe bush administration must tell lies and propaganda. if they told the truth, it would all fall down in a heartbeat.
more war is what you get
stop listening to all of the lies and propaganda
that is when it will all change
America is an illusion, it has never been anything else.
you are only lying to yourself if you think you have ever been free
Rumsfeld is definitely deluded and deranged. What else is new?
July 30th, 2006 at 10:56 amHe has stolen my description!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Beth — July 30, 2006 @ 10:52 am
I occasionally see things on The Daily Show or Colbert Report that someone here said first. I mean, really, there are a lot of very clever and witty remarks posted here for anyone to use as inspiration...
Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery, after all. :)
July 30th, 2006 at 10:57 amThere will be elections in November. The results will not be to the liking of Bush and the neo-cons and fears of impeachment will decide that the election will be declared null and void.
Bush is proposing legislation which will give him powers to make amurka into a police state, and with the aid of the neo-cons it will become so.
So - if the dems take the house in November, martial law ill be imposed, the election set aside, and Bush will be declared president for all times.
You asked for it amurka, and you got it!
July 30th, 2006 at 10:59 amI can only hope that Democrats trying running (no pun intended) on defense and security issues. If it wasn't enough that the country is inundated with images of war on the nightly news, Democrats running adds about defense and security would be a boon to the Republicans.
Please, please, please focus Democratic campaigns on defense and security.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:00 am#9, Rebel,
George W. Bush was elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote.
William Jefferson Clinton was NOT elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote - only a plurality. Furthermore, he was IMPEACHED for perjury to a grand jury in a case about his SEXUAL ASSAULT on Paula Jones.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:03 am#11
Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But the fact of the matter is that the fellow who appeared on MTP this morning is no chearleader for the neocons.
Unlike some, I prefer to focus on the content of what someone says rather than what they've said before. If you insist on labeling folks as this or that and never thinking about it, you'll get absolutely nowhere.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:07 amHey Fuct
Friedman spoke in calm, well measured tones. He gave credit to previous administrations, even Bush Sr. for their
persistence in diplomacy even after
repeated failures.
I notice that all you can do is call people names.
'Nuff said.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:09 amYeah, Tommy Friedman has even come around from all of his Mideast war-mongering. We should put him in Stae, and just let Condi run for president. Friedman's okay. I don't agree with him all of the time, but at least he really gives the complete info on everything.
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July 30th, 2006 at 11:11 amhttp://www.sunstateactivist.org/forum
George W. Bush was elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:03 am
No, he was not. The Supreme Court handed him teh Presidency in 2000. Al Gore had actually won the majority of thepopular vote an dthe electorial votes.
There is now pretty substantial evidence that 2004 was not conducted ethically - so his re-election is also in doubt.
What will you do in November if the studies being conducted now are correct that the Democrats win big?
July 30th, 2006 at 11:11 amunbelievable Jason M. Hendler
Gentlemen. We've crossed our paths in some discussions.
I've posted
#435
#472
on
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/28/manage-calm/#comments
Please, I'll be interested in you opinions on the subject I've raised. Please, feel free to comment. Your feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thx.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:12 am#13, Dr.,
Thomas Friedman is a talented reporter, columnist and novelist. He correctly deduced that Islamo-fascism (by the way, Nazi were fascists, so to say Islamo-Nazism is no different, and perhaps too specific to Nazi, whereas fascism is better, more general term) was the result of oppression of muslims under caliphates and other regimes propped up by oil revenues. America is an example of freedom, but in the middle east, it is used as an example of sinful behaviour, so I doubt Islamo-fascists EVER held us in high regard, so to say that we lost their support (when we never had it) is pure fantasy.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:14 amGentlemen. We’ve crossed our paths in some discussions.
I am not a man, gentle or otherwise. Funny, wasn't it you who berrated madashell for assuming you were male?
I’ve posted #435 #472 on http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 07/ 28/ manage-calm/ #comments. Please, I’ll be interested in you opinions on the subject I’ve raised. Please, feel free to comment. Your feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thx.
Comment by One Jew — July 30, 2006 @ 11:12 am
I'll get there.
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maybe he should talk to one of these guys!!!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:15 amYes Rumsfeld is deranged, and so is Cheney, and Bush has always been deranged! All 3 of them need to be removed from power and institutionalized for the good of this nation!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:15 am#16, unbelieveable,
In 2004, George W. Bush was elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote.
In 1992 and 1996, William Jefferson Clinton was NOT elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote - only a plurality. Furthermore, he was IMPEACHED for perjury to a grand jury in a case about his SEXUAL ASSAULT on Paula Jones.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:16 amIn 2004, George W. Bush was elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote.
That's one opinion. If the reality (which may or may not be knowable) is that he was not actually elected because votes were lost electronically due to an array of possibilities or intentionally discarded, then your 'fact' is not factual... It's just your opinion.
In 1992 and 1996, William Jefferson Clinton was NOT elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote - only a plurality.
I didn't comment to that in your first post because I did not disagree with it. Repeating yourself just makes you look zealous...
Furthermore, he was IMPEACHED for perjury to a grand jury in a case about his SEXUAL ASSAULT on Paula Jones.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:16 am
So? What's that got to do with anything?
July 30th, 2006 at 11:22 am#18 - Jason,
I don't think he was talking about Islamo-fascists. He was referring to simply average people in the region. Things have changed dramatically amongst this group since W came to office. If you don't recognize that, then your head is frankly buried in the sand.
I was in Pakistan in the early nineties, and had the opportunity to speak with a Pakistani ambassador. I can assure you he was no Islamo-fascist, and held US foreign policy/diplomacy in high regard. I do not believe this is still the case.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:22 am#26, Dr,
Considering Musharif is fighting Islamo-fascists after two failed assasination attempts, I doubt he has any qualms about what the US is doing to fight Islamo-fascists around the world.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:26 amDid Fareed Zakaria play the zombie king in the Indiana Jones movie?
-GSD
Oy, we have the rightwing douchebags that are still blowing smoke about Clinton "losing" the election. Hey, how did this topic come up in a discussion about CRumbsfled? Oh, yeah, Rightwing Troll 101---smokescreens. Never discuss the issue at hand, sidetrack with another hateful debate and always bring BIll CLinton into the debate.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:27 am#24, unbelieveable,
Opinion? It's in the history books, and currently dubya is OUR president, so enjoy.
Anytime you try to claim that dubya is illegitimate, I will remind you that Bill was not elected with a majority EVER and that he was IMPEACHED.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:28 amIslamo-fascist? What about the Christo-nazis? The latter is presently killing more people than the first...
July 30th, 2006 at 11:28 am#27, GSD,
LMFAO! I am watching it now, and Fareed does look like he partied too hard last night.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:30 amunbelievable
"I am not a man ... "
Dear unbelievable.
I am humbly apologize for my being inconsiderate. I offer no excuses. Please, forgive me.
Please, also notice my responsiveness for what I am guilty of. (15 min or so)
Mostly, I appreciate your help in my attempts to be considerate.
Once again, thank you very much.
unbelievable Jason M. Hendler
Please, disregard #17. It should have addressed "Ladies and Gentlemen" instead.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:30 am#29, unbee,
Let me help you - just say Crusaders ...
July 30th, 2006 at 11:31 amClinton's so-called impeachment had nothing to do with Paula Jones > lol. He lied about his affair with Monica, under oath, so that resulted in the House voting for impeachment, but the Senate failing to vote the 2/3's needed to convict him for removal from office!
In fairness: Bush should be forced to testify, under oath, about his relationship to Jeff Gannan the male hooker! If Bush lies under oath about that paid for sex deal, then Bush should get the same impeachment treatment as Bill Clinton, but I would prefer for Dubya to be impeached, and removed from office, for his criminal lies about invading Iraq!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:31 amI have to agree with the assessment that Friedman is a Neo-Con turncoat now that he sees just how shitty the Iraq has turned out. 3 years ago that nitwit was cheerleading the war and the"transformation" of the Arab world at the barrel of a gun. Now that Dr. StrangeRumsfeld and Chimpy and the Gimp have ruined the Middle East, THe US military and our nations economy and world credbility he has gotten off the Neo-con warmonger train.
Thanks Tommy Boy you are an Asshat deluxe.
-GSD
July 30th, 2006 at 11:32 am#31, One Jew,
It was an honest mistake ...
July 30th, 2006 at 11:32 am#26-Jason,
You can't be serious. Musharraf is no fan of what Israel is doing right now - don't be naive.
He's also frankly not the sort of fellow you really want to hold up as the model for an ally. Look into it.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:32 amOpinion? It’s in the history books, and currently dubya is OUR president, so enjoy.
It's in certain history book sthat Columbus was anhonorable man. We now know that to be utterly false from his own writings in his own journal and other sources that validate his acts of murder, slavery, prostitution (he would give young Caribbean girls to his men for sex slaves), and theft which is he in the name of his god (gold).
Anytime you try to claim that dubya is illegitimate, I will remind you that Bill was not elected with a majority EVER and that he was IMPEACHED.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:28 am
I'm sure Bush will be able to add impeachment to his resume after the November elections as well...
I've debated letting you think that your taunt is effective... But, Jason, lambykins, I did not vote for Mr. Clinton in either election in which he ran. I also think he has his share of issues (far less than Bush's issues mind you), as I, unlike you, do not see the world in absolutist's shades of black and white, but in a million different colors... (this means I have no heros, idols or unrealistic expectations from anyone). So, pointing out Clinton's history to me is not buying you anything... So enjoy!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:34 am#31.
If “Ladies and Gentlemen†is not exceptable, going forward I'll do "My fellow ThinkProgress readers" if this is exceptable. In either case - I am open.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:35 am#36, Dr.,
Musharif would certainly support any sovereign nation to attack foreign terrorists firing rockets at your cities, because he has foreign terrorists firing RPG's at his motorcade.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:35 amFriedman spoke in calm, well measured tones.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:37 am-----------------
He always speaks in calm,well measured tones--even when he supports the murderous invasion of Iraq.
#37, unbelieveable,
Ah, so you just like to gripe. Typical ....
July 30th, 2006 at 11:37 amMostly, I appreciate your help in my attempts to be considerate.
Comment by One Jew — July 30, 2006 @ 11:30 am
I kinda like when you neocons assume I am a man. It's just one more neocon who is enlightened to the fact that a woman can be educated and informed.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:38 amLet me help you - just say Crusaders …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:31 am
Spare me your smug condescention. I have no interest in simplifying the titles, as it takes the spotlight off the fact that the Evangelicals are murderous hypocrites killing people for the very thing they claim to be against... murder.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:40 amJason M. Hendler
#35. Thank you for your understanding.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:40 amAh yes, Musharraff, the military DICTATOR of Pakistan.
-GSD
July 30th, 2006 at 11:42 am#39-Jason,
He's recently said that Israel can act like they are because the government in Beirut is weak. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:42 amAh, so you just like to gripe. Typical ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:37 am
I see you have no valid response to my valid post, so you just hurled an insult.
You're transparent Jason, as always.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:43 amunbelievable
"I kinda like when you neocons assume I am a man. It’s just one more neocon who is enlightened to the fact that a woman can be educated and informed."
I apologize once again. Very truly sorry.
Though - I am not a conservative: neither old nor new.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:43 amRegarding my earlier post on Friedman, I admit some ignorance on my part. It seems he has in the past said some fairly ghastly things in support of the Iraq war.
Putting that aside, however, I found his points this morning to be worthwhile. I don't think it serves us well to assign labels to people and put blinders on.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:44 am#42, unbelieveable,
First, it's funny to me that you associate being educated and informed with men.
Second, assuming One Jew is a foreign born American, it is common that foreigners don't see any feminity is American women, as they do in foreign women. If you ever traveled abroad, you would see what real women are like.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:44 amI apologize once again. Very truly sorry.
I'm not offended. Was simply clarifying my gender.
Though - I am not a conservative: neither old nor new.
Comment by One Jew — July 30, 2006 @ 11:43 am
You might wanna consider how you are coming across then. Your actions suggest that you are.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:46 amIf you think of our Civil War, this is really very different. If you think of civil wars in other countries, this is really quite different. There is - there is a good deal of violence in Baghdad and two or three other provinces, and yet in 14 other provinces there’s very little violence or numbers of incidents.
If Rummy knew jack-shite about history he would know that the same sort of general statement could have been made about the American civil war.
There were periods, where NOTHING happened anywhere.
And there were many periods of activity where the only places anything of significance was happening was Virginia, Georgia, and along the Missouri-Kansas border.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:48 amJason M. Hendler
#50 "... feminity is American women ... "
Since I have been referred to, I feel obliged to answer my opinion.
Personally, I am very fond of American women, American men, American society and American culture - both political culture and culture in general.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:49 amPost 50 Jason > I am sure that unbelievable will inform you herself that she is well traveled!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:49 am#52, attaturk,
Great post, great points. Love the moniker as well, I've been to Turkiye and Attaturk is like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and every other American hero rolled into one.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:50 amIt was possibly on Steve Clemens Washington Note web site,http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
that Rumsfeld was described as being literally crazy. An opinion that was said to be widely shared by many in the Beltway in the loop people, of which Clemons is one. I think Zakaria was just saying in public what many have been saying in private.
This is the state of our politicians and public servants and our press. The emperor has no clothes. He is deluded and his right hand men are among other things crazy and none will say it outloud.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:51 amFirst, it’s funny to me that you associate being educated and informed with men.
That's not at all what I did.
What I did was associate neoconservatives with the belief that women are neither as educated or informed as they assume the least of men are. Big difference. Not surprised you didn't get it. You're not that sharp in these matters Jason. It's why I have to keep explaining them to you.
Second, assuming One Jew is a foreign born American, it is common that foreigners don’t see any feminity is American women, as they do in foreign women.
Such a neocon comment. Actually, the many Middle Eastern women I know are also educated and far more aggressive than I (what I assume you consider a non-femine trait) because their culture is more aggressive than ours.
You are a patronizing chauvanist Jason. You habitually demonstrate this with your notion that women cannot be femine unless they are weak.
For your information, I frequently joke about being opinionated and assertive with my friends and co-workers who all then feel the need to tell me that they think I'm quite feminine. Weakness is no longer a symbol of being a woman in this country.
If you ever traveled abroad, you would see what real women are like.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 11:44 am
I would bet the ranch that I've traveled abroad far more than you have. And not on air-conditioned coaches or with tour guides.
Every woman is a real woman. Even you.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:53 amGreat post, great points. Love the moniker as well, I’ve been to Turkiye and Attaturk is like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and every other American hero rolled into one.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Thanks I chose the moniker more for the phonetic sound. Ataturk is a mixed bag, mostly to the good (did far too good of a job of covering up the Armenian genocide, even if he didn't take part) but his secularism and moderation on many issues is admirable. His death before WWII really heated up was a real loss (or maybe saved him some ignominity if I'm wrong about my guess).
He's rightly thought highly of in Turkey -- though perhaps there's a bit too much of a cult about it.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:58 am#57, unbelieveable,
Typical feminist rant. Call neoconservative men chauvanist, racist, bigotted, etc., so that they don't criticize women or other minorities. My statements are against feminists who try to emasculate men in order to look strong.
Yes, middle east women ARE more aggressive, WITHOUT losing their feminity - I can understand that it is difficult for you to see what's so obvious to men.
Women can be educated, well-travelled, well-spoken, without being pointedly emasculating to the men who have granted them the liberties they enjoy.
Will you at least admit that women in America have more opportunities than women in most of the world? If you do admit it, then why do you loathe American with every word?
July 30th, 2006 at 12:01 pmBush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) is a term coined by American political columnist and former psychiatrist Charles Krauthammer, to describe the state of mind of fervent opponents of the 43rd President of the United States, George W. Bush, and his administration, associates, affiliates and supporters. It is especially in use in the Blogosphere, talk radio, and the print media, as opposed to television commentary.
The term Bush Derangement Syndrome is usually applied as a derogatory term within the Blogosphere to imply that an opponent cannot be reasoned with. Some may also explicitly describe themselves as suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome to describe their politically opposed stance to the 43rd U.S. Administration.
The classification of political opposition as a mental disorder is not a unique phenomenon. In the Soviet Union, political dissidents would routinely be locked up in mental institutions and have psychiatric treatment forced upon them; it was thought that no sane person could possibly oppose the Communist leadership. However, Bush Derangement Syndrome is understood by most to be a satirical diagnosis, not a real mental illness, therefore comparisons to Soviet psychiatric treatment of political dissidents are specious, particularly since there is no true diagnosis or treatment for this satirical mental illness.
Contents [hide]
1 Expansions upon the concept of Bush Derangement Syndrome
2 See also
3 References
4 External links
5 External References
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Expansions upon the concept of Bush Derangement Syndrome
Thomas Lifson, the editor and publisher of The American Thinker, expands upon the concept of Bush Derangement Syndrome on December the 26th, 2005.
"George W. Bush incarnates a rejection of the very values, beliefs, skills, style, and psychology by which large numbers of America’s educated class define themselves. Their self-concept is violated by his actions, his manner, his attitudes, and especially by his triumphs. If he is correct, then they are terribly, terribly wrong".
"Charles Krauthammer, a psychiatrist by training and former practice, has coined the term "Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS)†to be an affliction quite common today" [1].
Brian Mosely writing for the Shelbyville Times-Gazette on January 17th, 2006, expands upon the concept of Bush Derangement Syndrome with 'examples of BDS in 2005'.
"In fact, nearly every calamity, event and news item this year has all been laid at the feet of the president. Can't find a job? Blame Bush. Can't pay the bills, take care of the kids or have bad health? Point the finger at the guy in the White House. Bad weather? That's global warming, which can be tracked right back to a certain someone not signing a piece of paper. When brave soldiers fall in combat, you know who is to blame, and it's not the terrorists".
"Actually, this appears to be part of what columnist Charles Krauthammer called Bush Derangement Syndrome, which is defined as "the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush" [2].
July 30th, 2006 at 12:05 pmThis whole Administration appears to be living in a"Parallel Universe." The fact that they wouldn't actively involve themselves in the current conflict between Hezbollah and Israel, is further evidence of them being completely out of touch.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:06 pmThey are like firefighters, not being involved until the fire starts, except, with firefighters, that's their job.
I think Sec. Rumsfeld has been perfect for the job he was hired to do. Namely engage the US Military as the main vehicle for the PNAC foreign policy agenda. He is not bothered with the notion of measuring resources against threats. He is just a soulless man, who tells the military what to do, that is his role, plain and simple. He sticks to the script quite well. I don't think we'll ever see a MacNamara style change of heart from him in the future. I think his stock portfolio holds all the secrets of his intentions.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:07 pmJason M. Hendle
"Attaturk is like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and every other American hero rolled into one."
Attaturk is not. On his orders Turkey has committed the first large scale genocide known to Humanity – the massacre of Armenians.
Turkey still refuses to acknowledge this committed crime.
The details of this crime truly have no comparison. If my memory is accurate – in a few weeks Turks knifed (read it again; it says “knifedâ€) close to 2 million of Armenian population – kids, women, men and elderly.
Any mentally stable imagination fails to picture the scale of this kind of crime – yet it did happen.
Turkish people are still yet to grow up to recognize this crime and their responsibility for it.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:10 pmWow...Jason?? "Women can be educated, well-travelled, well-spoken, without being pointedly emasculating to the men who have granted them the liberties they enjoy"
Wow, I guess if a person feels emasculated it affects their brain and causes them to say stupid stuff like that.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:11 pmTypical feminist rant. Call neoconservative men chauvanist, racist, bigotted, etc., so that they don’t criticize women or other minorities. My statements are against feminists who try to emasculate men in order to look strong.
I only pointed out facts. Sorry if you don't like your reflection in the mirror. I didn't make you ugly.
I also didn't emasculate anyone. You emasculate yourself all on your own. Every time you lump all educated and assertive women into the same pot. Reminds me of a supervisor I once had who told me, in front of the HR Director that a man who is confident, assertive and smart is seen as such, but a woman who is confident, assertive and smart is seen as a B-I-T-C-H. He was demoted.
Yes, middle east women ARE more aggressive, WITHOUT losing their feminity - I can understand that it is difficult for you to see what’s so obvious to men.
You speak for all men now? Wow, I didn't know you were THAT arrogant. But I assure you, you speak for just the small neocon minority who can't get laid, so they blame the Feminists.
Women can be educated, well-travelled, well-spoken, without being pointedly emasculating to the men who have granted them the liberties they enjoy.
You seem not to understand that others do not make you things. It is you who choose to feel in response to other people's actions. If you feel emasculated by Amewrican women, then it is your choice to FEEL so. That means it is YOUR issue you feel inadequate and impotent. Why you blame American woman.
I saw a documentary on Russian brides. One of the Russian matchmakers said that the American men who fooled themselves into thinking Russian women were more submissive failed to understand that Russian women want the same things as American, or any other women. I can tell you're one of those fools who fools yourself into blaming American women for your inability to get a date.
Will you at least admit that women in America have more opportunities than women in most of the world?
I don't know that that is true, and neither do you. I think women in all other Industrialized nations have more equality than we do here. Is it worse in Africa? China? Sure. But, when you compare yourself to those with less, in this regard, you assure that your society does not advance.
If you do admit it, then why do you loathe American with every word?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:01 pm
I don't. I just don't tolerate you neoconservatives who think your way is the only way.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:13 pmGee, Jason, why aren't you in church on Sunday morning, praying for divine help against our Satanic enemies? I'm afraid we'll have to report you to Homeland Security as a possible terrorist and America-hater.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:16 pmRumsfeld has been certifiably insane throughout this debacle. A point I have sought to make whenever I've had the opportunity to do so.
With historical hindsight, people will wonder how on earth we could let ourselves be deceived to the extent we have. When Rumsfeld's various utterances are set in a timeline, against actual events, it's pretty clear that the Napoleon wing of any asylum will not suffice. The man's delusions are in a class of their own.
Seeing his increasing despereation is somewhat worthwhile compensation, though.
BTW - in military academies, the "taking of Iraq" is taught as an enormous blunder. Rumsfeld raced his small army right into the centre of enemy territory, bypassing enormous caches of arms and ammunition, and thousands of able bodied militarily experienced Iraqis. He then put his force inside enclaves, and attempted to compensate for the lack of forces by brutal Rules of Engagement. These only served to further alienate those occupied.
One day, likely quite soon, the U.S. could be be racing for the Kuwaiti border in a retreat that will stand as the greatest proof of Rumsfeld's folly.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:17 pm...you speak for just the small neocon minority who can’t get laid, so they blame the Feminists...
Comment by unbelievable — July 30, 2006 @ 12:13 pm
HOO- RAH!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:19 pmAlso,
somehow, yet again, I feel responsible for women vs men dispute that have sparked.
Here is my last comment on the subject:
My being a man means to me one thing only – I have a different set of hormones in my blood then THE OTHER BETTER HALF OF HUMANITY.
I am not prejudice against men, but my life observations have been – the men have more tendencies toward savage behavioral patterns.
Once again, these observations of mine did not make me prejudice against men.
Every single person I met in my life I give a fair chance. I only opine about a person based on one’s deeds. And I continue to do so.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:20 pmHendy: "Considering Musharif is fighting Islamo-fascists..."
ROTFLMAO!! He placates them as he runs for his life. Pak has snookered us time and again.
"Musharif would certainly support any sovereign nation to attack foreign terrorists firing rockets at your cities, because he has foreign terrorists firing RPG’s at his motorcade."
Mushy's diplomatic comity aside, South Waristan and Baluchistan are not foreign territories to Pakistan. Its his own miltary and former Generals who own the nations industries that he is most worried about. That, and perhaps that the US will discover their error in propping him up.
"Anytime you try to claim that dubya is illegitimate, I will remind you that Bill was not elected with a majority EVER and that he was IMPEACHED."
Typical. The question of illigitamacy is not directly addressed by whether or not Clinton had a plurality in an unquestionably legitmate election. He was impeached, yes. For lying about sex. Lying is not good, granted. Take a look at the 2002 NIE on Iraq and then count the dead.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:22 pmHi katy.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:23 pmRE: #65 Jason M. Hendler can't get a date (see Viagra)
Take it easy on Jason. He's just angry at women because he doesn't know who his father is.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:24 pmPsst, Jason Hendler is gay! He is a regular with me.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:25 pmRumsfeld is damaging to the interests of the United States. It's past time for him to step down.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:26 pmComment by One Jew — July 30, 2006 @ 12:20 pm
I was raised Catholic, and have had Jewish friends over the years who empathized with me on the guilt factor. Even as an Atheist now, I still working on letting go of excessive guilt over stuff I don't control. So, you should know that the discussion about men and women is actually a long running issue several of us regular women posters have had with Jason. It's not your fault.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:26 pmAttaturk is not. On his orders Turkey has committed the first large scale genocide known to Humanity – the massacre of Armenians.
Comment by One Jew — July 30, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
The Armenian genocide was the first in the 20th century.
If memory serves, Armenians were forced into mass evacuations before WWI, while Attaturk was in office after the war -making him the first president of Turkey. Before that, Turkey was part of the Ottoman Empire.
I don't know to what extent Attaturk might have been involved, but from my knowledge, he had nothing to do with the forced mass evacuations.
And yes, to this day, Turkey refuses to recognise it as a genocide.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:26 pmJason is just a tool.......
July 30th, 2006 at 12:27 pmI always scroll right past his poison.
#72 Jason still living in his mom's basement might have something to do with that
July 30th, 2006 at 12:27 pm#65, unbee,
If I ever needed an example of a feminist trying to emasculate a strong, confident male who is willing to confront feminist, it was your post #65. Your multiple references to a man's lack of sexual prowess is your first, last and only weapon. Why debate issues or compete in the market place, when you only have to grant or refuse sex to get your way. Feminism has turned you into a whore, trading on your sex - thanks for documenting it for me - it was the example that I was seeking.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:29 pmgood morning, one jew...
July 30th, 2006 at 12:31 pmhere we are again...
#76, Gregor,
Oh, I wasn't saying that I believe that Attaturk is George Washington, etc. I was saying that Turks view Attaturk as we would view a figure who was all those people combined. Genocide seems to be pretty common practice in Balkins, Mediterranean, Middle East and Africa, so it wouldn't surprise me if there is something to that claim.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:32 pmOn topic,
Rumsfeld has been maing statements that make little sense for a long time now ("there are known knowns, and known unknowns").
I've long thought he does it out the need to be a shill for his boss. His outrageous statement about about the civil war in Iraq is yet another attempt to obfuscate facts and shore up support for the occupation of that country. Nothing more.
He knows reality, he chooses to ignore it, and hopes everyone else does too.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:33 pmRE: #79 Jason confronts women in typical Republican Fashion: Ted Bundy Style
"Ted Bundy is one man who so clearly personifies the horror of these twin blights on our society—serial killing and the Republican Party. Almost seamlessly, Bundy fused the themes of moral values and sexual violence to become one of the most horrific Republicans of the mid-1970s. In order to unmask the mysteries of the Republican mind, let us investigate the political history of Ted Bundy, a man who used serial killing as a mask of sanity to hide his deep, dark Republican secret."
http://pushybottom.blogspot.com/2005/12/republican-killer-korner-ted-bundy.html
July 30th, 2006 at 12:35 pm#72, SOB,
If only that were true ...
July 30th, 2006 at 12:36 pmAh Jason,
'Women can be educated, well-travelled, well-spoken, without being pointedly emasculating to the men who have granted them the liberties they enjoy.'
Funny how 'conservative' men are so terrified of being 'emasculated' by women. Terrified of women in general. Perhaps it's because you're not men to begin with, just cowardly little boys who like to talk big about 'nuking' and 'killing the enemy' and other tuff stuff. I always found your type to be very disappointing in, shall we way, certain areas...
Oh, and thanks so much fo r'granting' me my 'liberties'-- you are too generous...
July 30th, 2006 at 12:36 pmI was saying that Turks view Attaturk as we would view a figure who was all those people combined.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:32 pm
And I agree. All I was trying to point out is that the accusation of Attaturk being involved in -or ordering- the Armenian genocide does not ring true to me. But then, I could be wrong.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:36 pm#83, Neo,
It is not Republicans who are hell bent on pulling feeding tubes from the mouths of quadroplegics - it is "Progressives" - now that is progress.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:38 pmAttaturk is not. On his orders Turkey has committed the first large scale genocide known to Humanity – the massacre of Armenians.
Turkey still refuses to acknowledge this committed crime.
No to the first, however, definitely played a large role in the coverup and refusal to admit responsibility.
The Armenian Genocide occurred under the "Young Turks" the group that Mustafa Kemal eventually deposed.
Kemal decried the genocide privately, but then took part in denying it publicly.
It's the biggest stain on his legacy -- and it's a big enough one, without saying he was responsible for undertaking and directing the genocide, he was not. The fact that Turkey still refuses to acknowledge what happened to the Armenians is disgusting, and the perpetuation of the Ataturk cult has some role in it.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:40 pmI agree that Rumsfeld has been making ridiculous comments for a long time - that is the way he operates. But as of late, he has been even more outrageous, giving rise to the assessment by Zakaria, which I think is pretty accurate.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:40 pmRummy has spent so much time in never-neverland that he can't find his way back to reality; therefore, he should be recalled and retired.
If I ever needed an example of a feminist trying to emasculate a strong, confident male who is willing to confront feminist, it was your post #65.
You consider that emasculating? Hell, no wonder you're alwyas dodging the truth.
The reality is that I'm an educated an informed woman who is standing up to a chauvantist who says that women are granted liberties by men.
You aren't the victim here Jason. Women are. Those with the ability to dominant are the ones who abuse, not those who are dominanted. Your claim otherwise is as ludicrous as me claiming to be dehumanized by butterflies. Something I can dominate cannot dehumanize me...
Or are you saying you can't handle educated women who are smarter than you?
Your multiple references to a man’s lack of sexual prowess is your first, last and only weapon.
If you think that, then I cannot emasculate you.
Besides, my intellect is actually my main defense. I didn't attack you. I am merely defending the women you seek to insult and deride. And, from your crybaby whining, it's quite clear that I am winning this debate.
Why debate issues or compete in the market place, when you only have to grant or refuse sex to get your way.
I earned my college degrees and professional expertise without ever being propositioned for sex. It is you who reduces women down to semen recepticles and then cannot stand it when we refuse to comply with that notion. So you call us.... oh, yes... whores.
Feminism has turned you into a whore, trading on your sex
You clearly don't know thr meaning of the word Feminism if you think this ignorant comment. It;'s actually an opponent of sex.
But, yes, you have no real argument so you call me a whore hoping to injure me. You're bad at it. Men like you always are. It's why you blame American women for rejecting you.
thanks for documenting it for me - it was the example that I was seeking.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:29 pm
You are delusional Jason. Verbally threatening me never works. I'm smarter than you and that is what is pissing you off.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:40 pmJason M. Hendle
“Attaturk is like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and every other American hero rolled into one.â€
July 30th, 2006 at 12:41 pm---------------
Washington a hero?
Certainly not to Native Americans.
I suggest you not be afraid to dig deeper for the truth.
#85, drindl,
Yes, keep providing more examples. Feminists have taught women to view and treat men like little boys, so that they never have to live up to their obligations as real women. No men - no need to be women. You can now pursue other things, and never have to live up to your mother's expectations and her unwavering critical eye. It worked out great for Maureen Dowd, writing column after column wondering why an educated post-menapausal woman can't land a man.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:41 pm87. Now that has got to be the most ASSININE thing I have heard yet. Talk about going OFF TOPIC!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:41 pmRE: #87 Jason whips it out and compares it his personal hero, Republican Ted Bundy
"When he wasn't having sex with a bunch of tax cuts, Bundy spent much of his college days campaigning for Republican candidates while somehow managing to volunteer at a rape crisis center. His multiple careers of rape counselor, rapist and Republican were on the up and up. By 1968, Bundy was appointed assistant state chairman of a political organization supporting the presidential candidacy of Republican Nelson Rockefeller. Ted Bundy also served as special assistant to the Washington state GOP Chairman." http://pushybottom.blogspot.com/2005/12/republican-killer-korner-ted-bundy.html
July 30th, 2006 at 12:42 pmway past time to turn off the jason-bot...
July 30th, 2006 at 12:46 pma real laura schlessinger fan it appears...
and a fool...
#90, unbee,
Right, just like blacks can't be prejudiced, since they are the "oppressed minority". I've heard this liberal diatribe before, and you can dress it up all you want, but that delusional view of reality only leads you to failure. You lose elections, and can only conclude voter fraud. You lose debates, and can only conclude bigotry.
Oh, and since it is only MEN who fought the wars, founded the country and wrote the laws, it is therefore men who granted you suffrage and other rights. Furthermore, it was Phyllis Schafley who denied you ERA, because she understood the full implications of feminism, and stopped it before it was too late.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:47 pmUnlike some, I prefer to focus on the content of what someone says rather than what they’ve said before. --DrSinker, far upthread
King of Swamp Castle: "Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who..."
July 30th, 2006 at 12:48 pmIt worked out great for Maureen Dowd, writing column after column wondering why an educated post-menapausal woman can’t land a man.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:41
Not all women want a man. Especially when there are several like you out there to select from.
When I am ready to get married, I will most definitely choose a man who is a liberal. They are not threatened by, but actually attracted to educated women. Probably because they can handle them.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:48 pmRummy reminds me of the two 85 year old men that mistakenly hit the gas pedal instead of the brakes and plowed into a Starbucks patio of coffee drinkers and the other at some outdoor function where 28 people were injured. It's scary to think that the elderly Rummy is in charge of our defense department. Really scary!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:48 pmRE: #92 Republican Ted Bundy copycat, Jason M. Hendler boosts ego / targets women that challenge his manhood
"Although it is unclear when exactly Ted’s psychopathic tendencies took hold of his life, it quite probably coincided with his involvement in the Republican Party. In 1972, Ted Bundy worked on Republican Governor Don Evans’s re-election campaign; fourteen months later, he forcefully sodomized and killed several college co-eds. In 1973, Ted Bundy was issued an official Republican Party credit card; the next year, eleven more women were brutally slaughtered." http://pushybottom.blogspot.com/2005/12/republican-killer-korner-ted-bundy.html
July 30th, 2006 at 12:48 pmPost 94 > I never heard about Bundy being active in politics for Republicans > does not surprise me, because many of the GOP membership exhibit sexual perversions > Bundy took it to the extreme by killing women he raped!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:48 pmjason mark hendler
July 30th, 2006 at 12:49 pmmelbourne, fl.
look out for him ladies of fl
#6 Dr. Sinker
I did see that portion of MTP this morning; Friedman was, indeed, impressive. But I cannot get over the fact that for years, he was so badly mistaken about the war in Iraq, cheereleading at first, then saying over the course of two years, "we need six more months" that it's hard for me to give him much credit when he does say something I believe is true. Particularly how America is increasingly viewed poorly in global public opinion and the BushCo resistance to diplomacy with Syria.
I also saw This Week and Zakaria's comments. The "round table" was pretty hard on the poor statesmanship of Bush&Co -- their lack of diplomatic skills, and how it appears that the cowboy hat has been put back on -- and they are correct. Even Will said, the Democrats will be campaigning on "Are you safer today than you were?" and the public's reply will be electing Democrats.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:50 pmUnbelievable - there is no use answering to JMH any more. He is nothing but a putrid fool. The lowest form of life. A traitor to humanity. His poor mother.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:50 pmHey Jay - want more???? Republican Hypocrisy Revealed
July 30th, 2006 at 12:52 pmI agree the Dems should make Rumsfeld an issue.
Why? Everyone thinks he's out to lunch. The generals, the republican congressmen, the troops, the public, the international community....it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
And, more importantly, Bush and Cheney will defend him 'til the end. So, the attacks will quickly rub off on them. So far, Rummy's taken the hits and Bush and Cheney have stayed more or less clean. This will tie them all together in a nice package of incompetence.
The Dems have to make Rumsfeld an issue.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:52 pmJason, that's exactly what challenged unmen always say to women -- you are not a real woman--you can't land a man. Funny, I'e been married for 25 years to the same guy. A real man.
Your comment, btw, about 'progressives wanting to pull feeding tubes of invallds, was sidesplitting, by the way. Thanks for the laugh. Everything you say is a dittohead cliche.
And as far as Rumsfeld is concerned, he's senile, folks. He's a doddering old fool.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:54 pm#102, troll,
Thankyou for reminding me. The other tactic of liberals is to "out" a non-liberal, making sure everyone "knows" his / her political views, in an attempt to undermine their personal and business relationships. If you can't influence them, you have to destroy their capacity to live and work. Please continue, because as non-liberals get wise to this tactic, non-liberals are in a much greater position to use that tactic much more effectively. Look how affirmative action has suffered after the OJ jury decided to abuse their granted power, so we can play by whatever rules you set.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:55 pmPost 105 > yes thanks for the link > I have seen that list of GOP perverts before!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:56 pmOK, "ladies" (and I use the term loosely), I have to run, go ahead and vent, as you have on other threads after I leave.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:57 pmOn the subject:
Zakaria is well known for who he is and what he does. Have I been taken by surprise by his comments? No. He’s not a flip-flop. He is consistent.
He has he’s opinion, I have mine.
He’s wording was right. The placing of words was wrong.
Zakaria ‘Seems In A Parallel Universe and Slightly Deranged†– that is how I read the news.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:58 pmYAY!
July 30th, 2006 at 12:58 pm'Look how affirmative action has suffered after the OJ jury decided to abuse their granted power, so we can play by whatever rules you set.'
Man, this Jason character is really deranged. He sucks up all the isane propaganda and swallows it whole. A mass murderer n the making, I'd say. Dangerous.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:58 pmRight, just like blacks can’t be prejudiced, since they are the “oppressed minorityâ€.
Not prejudice in a a waythat oppresses white people. No, they can't. They don't have the power. If you don't get that, well, I'm not surprised. You don't get a lot of really common sense stuff.
I’ve heard this liberal diatribe before, and you can dress it up all you want, but that delusional view of reality only leads you to failure. You lose elections, and can only conclude voter fraud. You lose debates, and can only conclude bigotry.
I care more about people than 'winning' anything, unlike you Jaosn. So if my ideals make me more humane - then I really couldn't care less that a war-monger like you thinks I'm ranting. I'd also bet the ranch that I have less to fear than you do.
I lose elections? I didn't know I was running for anything....
I'm not a Democrat either. I'm an Independent.
Oh, and since it is only MEN who fought the wars, founded the country and wrote the laws, it is therefore men who granted you suffrage and other rights.
You can have the claim to fighting wars. Personally, I wouldn't want to take blame for that. But feel free to want to be the one to take sole responsibility for violence and blood shed.
Men did not grant women sufferage, we earned it. Guess that makes you the whores, huh?
Furthermore, it was Phyllis Schafley who denied you ERA, because she understood the full implications of feminism, and stopped it before it was too late.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
No one has stopped Feminism. It is stronger now than ever because of scared little boys like you. And we get closer and closer to ERA each year.
You do know that the white male in America is slowly and surely becoming the minority right? I suppose it's a good thing for you that women and minorities won't treat you as badly as you have treated us.
Matriarchial societies still exist in the world Jason, I mean Ted Bundy. They are happier, healthier, and they value their men. Guess that makes Feminism the bigger "man"...
July 30th, 2006 at 12:59 pm113. A true sociopath.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:59 pmBye bye Jason > go get laid if you can > lol.
July 30th, 2006 at 12:59 pmAnd oh, yes, he cuts and runs when he loses an argument, I see. He even admits it.
Hey coward! Run, chicken, run...
July 30th, 2006 at 1:00 pmhmm, and calling Torture a 'fraternity prank" says what about your humanity?
6,000 year old Earth truly speaks volumes about cognitive abilities too.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:01 pmRE: #102 Republican Ted Bundy Copycat, Jason M. Hendler exposed on ThinkProgress; Public Warned
"Just like sweet Harriet Miers, the night before his 1989 execution, Bundy met with kingmaker Dr. James Dobson to burnish his conservative credentials. When asked by Dobson to explain the influences that led to his illustrious, career as a serial killer, Bundy was quick to parrot Republican culture war talking points.
"According to Mr. Bundy, pornography, alcohol, the violent (aka “liberalâ€) media and “detective magazines†produced this necrophiliac ladykilling monster.
You know what they say—you can take a serial killer out of the Republican Party, but you can’t take the Republican Party out of the serial killer.
Ted Bundy was a Republican.
http://pushybottom.blogspot.com/2005/12/republican-killer-korner-ted-bundy.html
July 30th, 2006 at 1:02 pmGod's chosen people Israel have directly killed UN peace keepers and only the words deeply regret, now they kill innocent woman and children with the same simple words deep regret. Is this how taking a human life is in the hearts of those chosen. But if any person in Israel is hurt or killed Israel says the world should have a out cry because no one should suffer on get hurt in Israel only those that don't agree with Israel. The world must support and rebuild any damage to Israel while others well who cares what happens. Killing an innocent person means only to say deep regret keep bombing and we'll repeat those words as necessary.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:05 pmAccording to science there are 26 dimentions. Rummie is obviously living in one of those other 25 .
July 30th, 2006 at 1:06 pm[...] Also courtesy of Think Progress this fine morning, the usually staid Fareed Zakaria drops some cheeky comic book / sci-fi science on Donald Rumsfeld on national television. [...]
July 30th, 2006 at 1:06 pmWomen can be educated, well-travelled, well-spoken, without being pointedly emasculating to the men who have granted them the liberties they enjoy.
Feminism has turned you into a whore, trading on your sex...
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Jason, can you just shut the f*ck up?
July 30th, 2006 at 1:07 pmClarification: In my responses to Jason "Ted Bundy" Hendler, when I reference men, I only mean the derogatory neocon type who think women should be barefoot and pregnant while washing their dirty dishes with a smile... and definitely NOT those of you guys here at TP who are Progressives. I have a lot of respect for you. If there is such a thing as real men, you are it. :)
July 30th, 2006 at 1:08 pmUmm, Jackie, it's a little more complicated than that. What is Israel supposed to do while it gets bombed every day and is surrounded by enemies who want to wipe it off the eirth?
But frankly, I'm afraid that Olmert is allowing himself to be used by American neocons who want to get into a war with Syria and Iran [before the elections, to distract from Iraqw[ and that Israel will suffer as a result of it.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:09 pmif only...
How We Miss Yitzhak Rabin
When Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995, we felt a profound loss and a sense of horrible foreboding.
He was killed by a right wing Israeli -- not an Arab, not a Palestinian, not an Iranian, not a Syrian. He was killed by a fanatical, radical Israeli who saw the democratically elected Prime Minister of Israel as a proponent of the Oslo accords and as an enemy of the settler movement.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:13 pmThis has nothing to do with the story but...From reading blogs from the Left and Right there is a big divide in the level of communication, the difference is between the infantile and the educated responce, guess who's educated.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:15 pm#127 - Please say it's us. It's hard to tell from some of these threads. :)
July 30th, 2006 at 1:17 pmzooey - you crack me up...
July 30th, 2006 at 1:20 pmguess who’s educated.
Comment by SUSA — July 30, 2006 @ 1:15 pm
I don't have to guess. As an educator in a red state who works with mostly liberal folks, I know that those who are educated are more inclined to be liberals. As Stephen Colbert pointed out, reality has a liberal bias. And what is education if not an awareness of the real world?
July 30th, 2006 at 1:21 pm#127: "educated 'response'"
July 30th, 2006 at 1:22 pmUmm, Jackie, it’s a little more complicated than that. What is Israel supposed to do while it gets bombed every day and is surrounded by enemies who want to wipe it off the eirth?
But frankly, I’m afraid that Olmert is allowing himself to be used by American neocons who want to get into a war with Syria and Iran [before the elections, to distract from Iraqw[ and that Israel will suffer as a result of it.
Comment by Drindl
Considering no rockets were being fired into Israel until Israel started smashing Lebanon... then yes it is that simple. The rockets are a direct result of Israel going too far. If Hezbollah had been firing missles at Israeli cities we would have been seeing this fighting a long time ago.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:25 pmJason M. Hendler,
Al Gore won the popular vote. And if we are democratic in America then Bush should have never won. Democracy translates to 'people rule'. I'm looking at the Wikipedia entry on the 2000 election that tells me that AL GORE WON THE POPULAR VOTE. Don't argue about it, it's written in every encyclopedia on this planet.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:26 pmJason Hendler is a moron. If he thinks Dubya was elected in 2000, he must be smoking the same stuff Rummy is smoking. Jason I know you a dumb, but any fool should be able to see that we are in grave danger because of the actions this administration have take since 9-11. It's one thing to politicize 9-11, but the facts of what is happening on the ground in Iraq can't be twisted because of all of the soldier who have died since Dubya landed on the Aircraft Carrier and declared victory. Who need to stop smoking that crack and wake up my friend, we are safe and never will be with this bunch in charge.
First of all you can't make the sun shine on a rainly day by denying that it's raining. All of the lies in the world won't stop Iran from developing WMD and giving them to Bin Laden to use against us. Now I don't know about you Jason, but I don't want to end up glowing in the dark because of party loyality. Think for one minute please, Bin Laden and his terrorist didn't stop to check to see what party the people killed in the World Trade Center belonged too. We are all in danger and lying about it only helps the terrorist. If the police know a killer is on the loose, I want to know about it. Not have them to keep it secret and just say that the victims just suddenly died for no reason.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:30 pmWhat happened with the Rumsfeld topic here. This thread has been cheap, tattered, stained with ad hominems and displaced hostility. It must end now.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:31 pm#127:
Well I'm glad you could understand what word I ment, since language is used to communicate.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:32 pmWhat happened with the Rumsfeld topic here.
Obviously it wasn't as interesting... There's only so much you can say about Dumsfeld
This thread has been cheap, tattered, stained with ad hominems and displaced hostility. It must end now.
Comment by tablogloid — July 30, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
It ended 30 minutes ago. But don't expect it to stay ended. Topics critical of the republican party invariably bring out left v right issues.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:37 pm"Highly concentrated" because it's limited to Baghdad? Wouldn't that be like saying a conflict in the U.S. were highly concentrated if it were "limited to Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont, Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia?
July 30th, 2006 at 1:41 pmI've been following the disintegration with interest .... I think I have the reason.
Inventor-cum-Scientist-self-made-entepreneur (but not particularly well off because of those damn interfering chinks) Professor Hendler
I'd recommend not engaging with him, it just tends to wreck the thread.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:41 pmWhat happened with the Rumsfeld topic here. This thread has been cheap, tattered, stained with ad hominems and displaced hostility. It must end now.
Comment by tablogloid — July 30, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
it's gonna be a loooong day for you then!
July 30th, 2006 at 1:44 pm#137 You're not the boss of me
July 30th, 2006 at 1:44 pmI’d recommend not engaging with him, it just tends to wreck the thread.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — July 30, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
I guess I see it differently. I think that by ignoring the opposition, as liberals have done, it paints us in a negative light. You know that in our culture our silence is seen as our agreement with a stance. And I refuse to agree with Jason's ignorant views by default.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:46 pmYou’re not the boss of me
Comment by LadyPrecocious — July 30, 2006 @ 1:44 pm
Never said I was. Just pointing out the reality....
July 30th, 2006 at 1:47 pmCan someone please give W. a blow job so we can impeach him!
July 30th, 2006 at 1:48 pmOops, sorry ub, I meant to tell #135 that he's not the boss of me not you. You can be the boss after what you did to Jason "Ted Bundy" Hendler
July 30th, 2006 at 1:49 pmI’d recommend not engaging with him, it just tends to wreck the thread.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — July 30, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
good advice ...
July 30th, 2006 at 1:50 pmbut, it is interesting how that one is THE one to always play the sex card first...
so repressed...
Off topic, but geezus - they are so utterly SLIMY!
GOP leader apologizes to Strickland; staffer is fired for an e-mail packed with allegations
By JIM TANKERSLEY
BLADE POLITICS WRITER
The Ohio Republican Party chairman apologized to U.S. Rep. Ted Strickland yesterday for a GOP e-mail that questioned Mr. Strickland’s sexuality, and the staff member who sent it was fired.
Mr. Strickland is the Democratic nominee for governor.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:52 pmJason - your statement that "women can be educated, well-travelled, well-spoken, without being pointedly emasculating to the men who have granted them the liberties they enjoy." First of all, you proved Unbelievable's point about you're being a male chavaunist. Secondly, the liberties women enjoy were not "granted" by men....women fought for them, some even died. Thirdly, if dealing with a strong woman makes you feel "emasculated," then you are a wimp to begin with.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:52 pmI saw Tom Friedman on Meet The Press this morning and I thought he spoke with real passion and eloquence when he spoke about the deep demoralization occurring in the U.S. right now. We've been brought so low by our leaders that any pretense to moral authority by us will have to be re-earned.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:53 pmI think he has been sincere in his desire to see fundamental changes in the mideast, but grossly naive in his willingness to go along with Bush and company.
Our swaggering leadership would have to come up with some pretty amazing bullshit to cover such a shift in stance as including Syria among the nations we'll talk to. But these guys are capable of bullshit artistry. We'll see.
Oops, sorry ub, I meant to tell #135 that he’s not the boss of me not you.
Comment by LadyPrecocious — July 30, 2006 @ 1:49 pm
Thanks for the clarification... didn't mean to offend anyone. I just think that we forget that it is human nature to fight or flee when confronted.
I'll always fight for the underdog. Especially against those who feel it is necessary to further oppress those who are already oppressed. Makes me angry.
You can be the boss after what you did to Jason “Ted Bundy†Hendler
:D
July 30th, 2006 at 1:56 pmAnd I refuse to agree with Jason’s ignorant views by default.
Comment by unbelievable — July 30, 2006 @ 1:46 pm
It's a tough call, I'll engage if the person with the opposing view will debate the issues in a genuine way. Jason and Seixon is another example don't do that, they are interested in the fight not what we can possibly learn from each other.
July 30th, 2006 at 1:56 pm#149
July 30th, 2006 at 1:57 pmReese, Politicians and media conmen telling us what they think we want to hear doesn't really mean anything at this point.
Rumsfeld is doing exactly as directed by Cheney--do nothing that would increase oil production in Iraq--thus raising the price per barrel to record highs and record profits for Bush supporters. Rumsfeld sounds like an idiot becuase he is an idiot. So is Bush--they are a couple of dullards put into office to move the doomed neocon agenda forward. Neither Bush nor Rumsfeld can speak without reading from note cards. I'm sure everyone has seen the sad song we get when they look away from those cards and "speak from their heart."
July 30th, 2006 at 2:00 pm'America is dead'
good riddance
July 30th, 2006 at 2:01 pmOne more time...PLEASE BE EVER VIGILANT!
Published on Saturday, July 29, 2006 by The Nation
The GOP's Sleaziest Attack Campaign
by John Nichols
How low will Republicans go to try and hang onto control of Ohio, the swing state where their machinations secured the presidency for George W. Bush in 2004?
Lower than reasonable Americans, no matter what their partisanship, no matter what their ideology, could imagine.
Gary Lankford, the Ohio Republican Party's recently hired "social conservative coordinator" this week dispatched a mass e-mail to so-called "pro-family friends" that featured his 10-point introduction to U.S. Rep. Ted Strickland, the Democratic nominee for governor.
Strickland, an ordained Methodist minister who has thrown Republicans for a loop by speaking about his faith during the campaign, is running far ahead of scandal-plagued Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, the Republican nominee who gained national fame in 2004 when he was broadly accused of manipulating election processes and vote counting to favor Bush in the presidential race.
What's the GOP strategy for getting Blackwell back into the running? Imply that Strickland is gay.
What are Republican staffers pointing to as evidence? Reports that the Democratic congressman and his wife of 20 years reside in different locations when he is in Washington.
In his email, Lankford, the GOP "social conservative coordinator," links to an Internet posting by a conservative operative that is headlined: "Article Adds Fire to Strickland Gay Rumors." The posting suggests that a mid-June Toledo Blade newspaper article implies "the Stricklands are both gay."
The article turns out to be a wide-ranging Father's Day feature on Strickland and Blackwell, in which mention was made of the fact that Strickland and his wife have no children. Blackwell was quoted as saying that it would be absurd to try and make an issue of whether the Democrat was a father or not. "Some of my most adored, most respected leaders are not parents," said the Republican. "Pope John Paul II was not a parent."
But Strickland, who is supported by gay and lesbian groups in the state and has criticized legislative assaults on gay rights, noted the frustration of Republicans with the Democrat's ability to match them on moral values issues and suggested that he might well be attacked. "The most effective way to campaign now is to identify your opponent's strengths and try to destroy those strengths," Strickland warned.
It looks like the Republican Party in Ohio has decided to jettison the "some of my most adored, most respected leaders are not parents" line in favor of an aggressive "Strickland's gay" assault on the Democrat's "moral values" appeal.
Indeed, Lankford's email, which highlighted his Republican Party role, urged recipients to: "Pass this information along."
When the "information" got passed along to the media, Ohio Republican Party political director Jason Mauk said the party repudiated the email. "We do not engage in rumor or innuendo," said Mauk, "especially rumors that are not relevant to this election."
Sure.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:01 pmWe can not afford this war.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:07 pmIn 1992 and 1996, William Jefferson Clinton was NOT elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote - only a plurality. Furthermore, he was IMPEACHED for perjury to a grand jury in a case about his SEXUAL ASSAULT on Paula Jones.
In 2000, Geroge W. Bush was elected President of the United States by winning the electoral college, but narrowly lost the popular vote.
In 2004, George W. Bush was elected President of the United States with a majority of the popular vote.
Does that help everyone?
July 30th, 2006 at 2:07 pmThe Bush messaging mantra:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.â€
Who created this mantra? Karl Rove? No. It was Joseph Goebbels. Heil Bush!
July 30th, 2006 at 2:15 pmJason and Seixon is another example don’t do that, they are interested in the fight not what we can possibly learn from each other.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — July 30, 2006 @ 1:56 pm
I agree they are interested in the fight. Because they think they will prevail. People with inferiority complexes always need to pick fights they think they can win to feel better about themselves.
I know the Jasons and Seixons of the world will not change their minds. That's not my goal. It's my goal that they discover that people will sometimes stand up to bullies. Bullies don't like that. It's why they make up excuses about having to leave and therefore are ineffectualized...
It's how women and blacks ever gained rights. By being wiling to stand up to those who want to oppress them. I guess I just try to walk my talk.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:18 pmHeil Bush!
Comment by tablogloid — July 30, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
check out this picture
July 30th, 2006 at 2:19 pm#
#102, troll,
Thankyou for reminding me. The other tactic of liberals is to “out†a non-liberal, making sure everyone “knows†his / her political views, in an attempt to undermine their personal and business relationships. If you can’t influence them, you have to destroy their capacity to live and work.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:55 pm
Jason, you let posters on this board know where you live a couple of days ago when you linked to the U.S. Patent site....remember? You outed yourself with your own hubris.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:20 pmDoes that help everyone?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 2:07 pm
It doesn't help YOU. It's not relevent nor important. Like most of what you post.
Now, do you have anything to say about Rumsfeld or not? If not, STFU.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:20 pm#
RE: #65 Jason M. Hendler can’t get a date (see Viagra)
“I can tell you’re one of those fools who fools yourself into blaming American women for your inability to get a date.†Comment by unbelievable — July 30, 2006 @ 12:13 pm
Take it easy on Jason. He’s just angry at women because he doesn’t know who his father is.
Comment by SonOfABush — July 30, 2006 @ 12:24 pm
#
#72, SOB,
If only that were true …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 12:36 pm
This conversation is really quite revealing about what's going on with Jason with his attitude toward women. Can I guess....Dad was abusive to both him and his mom, and in order to "defend" his mental/emotional integrity, he identified with Dad?
July 30th, 2006 at 2:24 pmMemo to all on board re the electoral process:
The U.S. does not have elections in a serious sense. It has advertising campaigns, run by the same industries that sell toothpaste: public relations industry. When they're selling candidates, they don't tell you -- provide you with information about them, any more than they do about lifestyle drugs or cars. What they do is create imagery to delude and deceive. That's what's called an electoral campaign. The result is that people are just unaware of the stands of candidates on issues.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:26 pm#161, impeachclintonAGAIN,
I post with my own name, so not worried about outing - just pointing out that libs want to punish those they can't influence to their own causes.
#162, unbee,
You were the one who went off topic calling Bush illegitimate. I responded that Bush is far more legitimate than Bubba. Oh, and blacks and women haven't progressed much in the last couple decades, because Democrats poorly served their causes, by trying to use courts to create laws, instead of working with the people to process them. Republicans learned to close that door for good, now you have no means to advance your causes, so you try to sabotage those who are in power, which again, just hurts those who are "already oppressed". Keep up the good work.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:27 pmDoes that help everyone?
we were already aware of the facts...
July 30th, 2006 at 2:27 pmthe deniers are too well represented...
Impeachcheneythenbush,
A likely scenario. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm returning to my policy of scrolling past Jason M. Hendler's comments.
Let's not give him the satisfaction of gaining one more minute of our time.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:28 pm#163, impeachclintonAGAIN,
Yes, do use others hatemongering comments to read my psychological state.
To all,
Thankyou, yes, I did enjoy my lunch, it's good to be back.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:30 pmYes, and in Rumsfeld's musings about how our Civil War was so different from Iraq's Civil War which, as he said, is concentrated in a few provinces with many provinces relatively stable and free of conflict, he must have been remembering the Siege of St. Paul (MN) and the Pillage of Portland (ME) and all the battles that ranged from Texas to Montana and from Oregon to Massachusetts.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:30 pm#167, Zooey,
Unbelieveable says that you can't, because strong, independent men like me will see that as weakness, and oppress you further. Yes, she is fantasizing about me again.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:31 pmKeep up the good work.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 2:27 pm
That's what you always say when you've lost the debate Jason. You'll soon do like MA and just start avoiding me when you learn that you cannot win on an ideology of prejudice, violence and animosity.
I'll take it to mean you have nothing to contribute of any value about Rumsfeld. We already knew. It's why you went off topic with women's issues...
July 30th, 2006 at 2:32 pm#171, unbee,
Rumsfeld is a tough man doing a tough job. I know how that intimidates you, especially since you concede that men should fight the wars, and not women, who benefit most from the sacrifice.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:33 pmThe spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'
Our cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching
America where are you now?
July 30th, 2006 at 2:34 pmDon't you care about your sons and daughters?
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster
Unbelieveable says that you can’t, because strong, independent men like me will see that as weakness, and oppress you further.
Your inability to paraphrase is embarrassing. Try to stop.
Yes, she is fantasizing about me again.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
Yes, that's right. I'm fantasizing about you gearing up and going to Iraq to put your fat ass where your fat mouth is.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:34 pmRove: Reporters slam politicians to save selves
Not only did Karl Rove give people a back-handed compliment about their political intelligence, he also lambasted journalists as corrosive to American society.
“Some decry the professional role of politics. They would like to see it disappear,†Rove told graduating students at the George Washington University Graduate School of Political Management. “Some argue political professionals are ruining American politics — trapping candidates in daily competition for the news cycle instead of long-term strategic thinking in the best interest of the country.â€
But Rove turned that criticism on journalists.
“It’s odd to me that most of these critics are journalists and columnists,†he said. “Perhaps they don’t like sharing the field of play. Perhaps they want to draw attention away from the corrosive role their coverage has played focusing attention on process and not substance.â€
Rove told about 100 graduates trained to be political operatives that they should respect the instincts of the American voter.
So the guy who ruined John McCain by insinuating he had an illegitimate black child, helped “out†a CIA operative, called liberals unpatriotic, and is the prime architect of this administrations “Terror Terror Terror†strategy is blaming the people who broke the Abu Grhaib story, the illegal wiretapping story, the secret prison story and the bank spying program as being “corrosive.â€
Ladies and Gentleman, I give you New Speak. George Orwell must be proud.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:36 pmRumsfeld is a tough man doing a tough job. I know how that intimidates you, especially since you concede that men should fight the wars, and not women, who benefit most from the sacrifice.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 2:33 pm
Your inability to paraphrase is embarrassing. You should stop.
You're getting boring now Jason, just repeating yourself.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:36 pm#173, left,
Speaking of cities turning into jungles, have you heard about all the murders in New Orleans, even after the National Guard came in? We are on the verge of some very bad times, and only when we dig in and focus on a common goal, will we pull through.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:36 pmjason you're 39 so why don't you go fight and leave us alone
July 30th, 2006 at 2:37 pmRumsfeld is a tough man doing a tough job. I know how that intimidates you, especially since you concede that men should fight the wars, and not women, who benefit most from the sacrifice.
WTF??????? How is taking the lives of our children benefitting women???? STOP KILLING OUR CREATIONS!
July 30th, 2006 at 2:38 pm#176, unbee,
Well, since there are so many ungrateful women in this country who wouldn't appreciate the sacrifice, I WOULDN'T fight for any you - but hey, keep fantasizing about me. (By that way, I did laugh pretty hard when I read that - good one.)
July 30th, 2006 at 2:39 pmJason is 39? He told us he was 24. I believe 24. I'm 39. No way he's my age.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:40 pm#179, madashell,
They die, so you can rant on blogs - enjoy it. Too bad you never thank the soldiers for your luxury.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:41 pmGO TO HELL JASON - MY NIECE PUT HER LIFE ON THE LINE TO PROTECT YOUR ASS F*CK HEAD.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:42 pmJason,
Iraq isn't defending anything. You'd just go there to kill people for the sake of killing them...
I don't need you to defend me anyway. I'm more capable of doing that myself...
July 30th, 2006 at 2:42 pm#175 - madashell,
I saw that one, and I thought it rather rich that Rove called someone else "corrosive."
July 30th, 2006 at 2:43 pm#181, unbee,
I never gave any age - 24, 39 or otherwise. Were I drafted, I would probably be made an officer, given my education and training, and put to work in engineering, communications or logistics. Admittedly, I don't know how all that works.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:43 pmJMH - a redneck, coor-light drinking, mullet-headed, F*CK! The is what he reminds me of.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:44 pmJason has won the debate ,he has totally derailed the thread by hitting your hot button with obviosly ignorant remarks and you have taken the bait ,hook,line and sinker !Please get a little perspective ! real people are dying by the 10's of 1000's and a war criminal is posing as our sec of state and you abandon the conversation to discuss feminism ?
July 30th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#183, madashell,
Is your niece still there? Is she still alive?
July 30th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#187, madashell,
Now you are fantasizing about me.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:45 pmBecause freeman, he and his ilk are part of the REASON there is so much disinformation being fomented. We MUST call them on their utter BS!
July 30th, 2006 at 2:46 pmreal people are dying by the 10’s of 1000’s and a war criminal is posing as our sec of state and you abandon the conversation to discuss feminism ?
Comment by freeman — July 30, 2006 @ 2:44 pm
Don't be ignorant yourself. Feminism is a war. Not all wars are obvious...
July 30th, 2006 at 2:47 pmOMG - I must go disinfect my brain. HOW GROSS!
July 30th, 2006 at 2:48 pm#192, unbee,
Well put, and as a former supporter of feminism, and now a convert to the other side, I understand it as a war better than most.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:49 pmOh, it's on now, I'll check back later.
Nice try, freeman.
Hmmm.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:49 pmIn fact, countries where women have equality, there is substantially less war... as opposed to countries when women are second-class citizens and war flourishes.
Therefore, Feminism is most definitely on topic.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:49 pmWhenever we are rid of a troll, we get another. This one Jason M. Hendler is a real PITA (pain in the ass). He is full of misinformation and disinformation. He believes he is always right and he is often irrelevant.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:52 pmPlease don't respond to him - he has highjacked enough threads here already.
Jason,
I doubt you were ever a supporter of woman's equality to man (not better than rights, but equal right to equal pay for equal work, to be entitled to the same freedoms and rights as men, and so on). If you were, you'd know that it's better for a culture for women to be equal to men.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:52 pm#196, unbee,
That's simply doesn't hold. The US been engaged in and won more wars in the last century than any other nation, yet the US is the most feminist.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:53 pmJason - Just remember - whenever someone feels compelled to tell you how brilliant they are - they aren't. (This is probably residue from someones' "self-esteem" classes in which they were told how brilliant they were when continually mistaken. Poor dear, sometimes it's kinder to ignore those them.)
July 30th, 2006 at 2:54 pmPoor thread. Sorry, but what else is there is say about Rumsfled? The man is senile and incompetent. He shouldn't be in charge of a dog pound. In fact, he should be IN a dog pound, along wiht the rest of the rabid right.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:55 pm#198, unbee,
It is better to have a completely level playing field, but the feminists I've met don't want that - they want power and control, so they use feminism when it cuts their way, chivalry when it cuts their way, Christianity when it cuts their way, etc., which is why I don't help those that would emasculate and subdue those who have granted women the liberties they enjoy.
Oh, the comment that women earned their rights is crap. Protesting and a rare death is hardly comparable to the men who fought to free and defend this nation.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:57 pmThat’s simply doesn’t hold. The US been engaged in and won more wars in the last century than any other nation, yet the US is the most feminist.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 2:53 pm
The US is the least Feministic among Industrialized nations. I've seen the statistics Jason, and we are not the most by a long shot. Try Canada, Norway, Germany, Sweden, Austria, Netherlands, Spain and I think even now Brazil have some sort of equality for women in place now, and they are not at war.
In America, women are still judged by their marital status and quantity of children. True equality would equally value the women who had families with those who chose careers instead. As a Feminist, I believe it is equality for a woman to want to stay at home and have children without being derided by society for not having a career, while a woman who decides not to marry or breed is also not derided by society for not wanting a traditional lifestyle.
When women are free to choose their life path, societies win. Just look at most countries in Africa, the Middle East and parts of Asia to see what happens to a society when women are oppressed.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:01 pmget your priorities straight ,this fool has made you all look bad and it was all too easy he just needed to insult your sacred cow and you fall over yourselves acting ridiculous ! Maybe we all have some learning to do ,no dogma or philosophy is entirely accurate according to modern physics and the zen buddhists believe that both religion and philosophy are like trying to hammer a nail into empty space ,only half truths.The name of god is unpronoucable because God is too vast to be pidgeon holed by simple dogma ! Unbelievale you said you were once a catholic ,I applaude your growth as a human being but does that mean there is NO truth too religion and does it mean that every utterance of feminism is absolutely true ? The other side of almost any argument has some validity unless were too stuck in thinking in preconceived idea's ! we must think outside the box ,think for ourselves !
July 30th, 2006 at 3:03 pmJason - Just remember - whenever someone feels compelled to tell you how brilliant they are - they aren’t
Comment by mighty aphrodite — July 30, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
Yes, we know you aren't very bright. Thanks for finally coming clean about it. You must feel better to get that off your chest.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:03 pm"I don't know what the facts are but somebody's certainly going to sit down with him and find out what he knows that they may not know, and make sure he knows what they know that he may not know."
One of my favorite Rummy quotes.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:03 pmAnd there's a debate as to whether he's nuts?
#203, unbee,
I totally agree, but feminists attack women, Christianity and men, when women choose to stay home with children. If you are not one of those feminists, then we don't have a problem.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:03 pmoh god, the moron is back.
'because strong, independent men like me will see that as weakness' -- the chickenhawk who lives in his mother's basement--time to ignore him. People that are this aggressively stupid can't be reasoned with.
But why aren't you in Iraq, jason? I always ask this question of the chickenhawks, and they never answer. Funny how that is.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:04 pm#204, freemen,
Have you had too much sugar?
July 30th, 2006 at 3:06 pm#208, Drindl,
Because there are no good women to fight for ...
July 30th, 2006 at 3:06 pmasking again, jason. why aren't you in Iraq, fighting the Glorious War of Liberation. Great Leader wants you to go.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:07 pmJason,
The Feminazis are rare. Most Feminists just want an equal playing field. By lumping us all together with the extremists is unfair and won't get you respect from most women.
You really need to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh. If he's such an expert on women, why is he divorced, taking Viagra and going to the prostitution capital of the Americas?
July 30th, 2006 at 3:07 pmWhen everybody thinks the same ,no body thinks very much !
July 30th, 2006 at 3:08 pmHow about your country, sniveling coward?
July 30th, 2006 at 3:08 pmWhy aren't you in Iraq Jason? Just answer.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:09 pm#214, unbee,
No, feminazis are NOT rare, and it only takes a few to drive wedges between men and women, which is their sole purpose.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:09 pm#214, Drindl,
Are you in Iraq? Are you in the armed forces? Since you feminists aren't taking care of your men, don't act surprised when they aren't there when a fight breaks out.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:11 pmDrindl,
It's because he's a chickenhawk.
Probably drives a big-ass SUV so he can take his big ass out to McDonald's for a super sized meal.
Then home to take his frustrations out on TP.
ICK!
Re: Rummy,
July 30th, 2006 at 3:12 pmhttp://politicalhumor.about.com/cs/quotethis/a/rumsfeldquotes.htm
Funny
If you are not one of those feminists, then we don’t have a problem.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 3:03 pm
I have no problem with a woman chosing to get married and have children because it is what she wants.
I do, however, have HUGE issues with Christianity and all other monotheistic Patriarchial religions that suggest that marriage and children and subservience are the one and only way for women to live, and then condemns those of us who reject their religious ideology that deride women who choose a different path.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:12 pmWhy aren’t you in Iraq Jason? Just answer.
Comment by Drindl
Due to his Asperger's Syndrome, JMH would receive a "4F" designation for military service -- much to his infinite relief.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:14 pmI'm 56, Jason, I'm a mother and grandmother. But you're of age, aren'y you?
You are still evading the question. Why aren't you in Iraq? Anser, chickenhawk mama's boy.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:14 pmWhy aren't you in Iraq?
July 30th, 2006 at 3:15 pmNo, feminazis are NOT rare, and it only takes a few to drive wedges between men and women, which is their sole purpose.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 3:09
Yes they are. I personally don't know any, and I attended some NOW meetings in San Francisco when I was living there with a friend who was active in the organization.
It's the Christonazis who want all women to be subservient like Rush Limbaugh who have exaggerated the quantity of the Feminist extremists, because they can't handle anyone not living by their life view.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:15 pm#219, unbee,
Having attended 8 years parochial gradeschool, 4 years Dominican highschool and 4 years Jesuit University, under the tutaledge (sp?) of 90%+ nuns or female lay teachers, I can guarentee you that the Catholic church was a strong proponent of feminist values (with the exception of free sex and abortion). Christianity may have been patriarchial, but it is by no means chauvenistic from my experience.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:16 pmDue to his Asperger’s Syndrome, JMH would receive a “4F†designation for military service — much to his infinite relief.
Comment by Zooey
That Is SO F**king Funny, Zooey!
July 30th, 2006 at 3:17 pmI'm glad I wasn't drinking something when I read that!
Jason, like all sniveling, cowardly chickenhawk mam'as boys, you are evading the question.
WHY AREN'T YOU IN IRAQ?
July 30th, 2006 at 3:17 pmWHY AREN'T YOU IN IRAQ JASON?
July 30th, 2006 at 3:18 pm#221, Drindle,
Read #217, I answered your question, and since you never served, yet enjoy the bounty of those who have, don't go around demanding everyone else serve you.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:19 pmThat Is SO F**king Funny, Zooey!
I’m glad I wasn’t drinking something when I read that!
Comment by trueblue
I wish it were funny, trueblue. Jason outed himself as having Asperger's when he first came here. It explains a lot, actually.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:19 pmYOU NEVER ANSWERED. WHY AREN'T YOU IN IRAQ?
July 30th, 2006 at 3:20 pmChristianity may have been patriarchial, but it is by no means chauvenistic from my experience.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
The Bible is the most chauvanistic book I've ever read. It starts out in the first chapter of incorrectly asserting that woman came from man (the Y chromosome is actually evolved from the X - which is proved in the fact that all life starts out female). It further digs itself deeper by saying that woman was created to be man's 'helper'. And it just goes on from there.
Catholicism won't allow women to be priests. That's not equality.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:20 pmFeminist values..............
Let's see,... how did those vows go?
July 30th, 2006 at 3:22 pmSomething like "...love, honor, and OBEY..."?
I now pronounce you MAN and WIFE....
yeah, they sure do loves their womens.
Tool. Absolute tool.
Tool. Absolute tool.
Comment by trueblue — July 30, 2006 @ 3:22 pm
Fortunately he is in the shrinking minority in this country. Unfortunately, they are a very loud minority.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:24 pmStill here, Jason? Why? Why aren't you in Iraq? You're so quiet.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:26 pmNot a single one has ever answered. They just evade. Whiny babies.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:27 pmI wish it were funny, trueblue. Jason outed himself as having Asperger’s when he first came here. It explains a lot, actually.
Comment by Zooey
July 30th, 2006 at 3:28 pm....oops! Should I feel badly now? ('cause I'm really having a tough time calling up any sympathy for him...)
#232, unbee,
American catholicism is a "hand that rocks the cradle" religion. Yes, a couple priests might head a parish, but it is the nuns and female lay people that run the place. I am all for women being priest, why should men have to carry the load - get your lazy butts up, study, be ordained and get to work.
As for genetics, all chromosomes have an X appearance, with the exception of the Y chromosome, which carries the male gene sequences. The association of the Y shape with the male is understandable, but to say the Y chromosome "evolved from a female X chromosome" is false. It evolved (or degenerated) from an X shaped chromosome is correct, but it did not evolve from the female X chromosome. The Y chromosome does not benefit from coming from either the mother or father, as does the female X, which leads to its steady and inevitable degeneration.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:28 pmNot a single one has ever answered. They just evade. Whiny babies.
Comment by Drindl — July 30, 2006 @ 3:27 pm
Just like they evade going to Iraq... which has nothing to do with defense...
July 30th, 2006 at 3:29 pmWhy should I feel sorry for a sniveling coward mama's boy? We all have problems. He doesn't hesitate to attack others.
Why aren't you in Iraq, Jason? Answer. You have no credibility.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:31 pm….oops! Should I feel badly now? (’cause I’m really having a tough time calling up any sympathy for him…)
Comment by trueblue
I wouldn't feel bad, trueblue. You'e too sweet for your onwn good, you know? ;)
July 30th, 2006 at 3:32 pmJason obviously didn't care if people knew. I just put up that comment to remind people why arguing with Jason is about as productive as banging your head on your desk.
And wow, did you ever meet anyone who hates women so much? Not a man, but hates women... hmmm...
Why aren't you in Iraq Jason?
July 30th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#220, Zooey,
Mine is a mild case, and having demonstrated my ability to succeed in school and business, I would not be so fortunate as to be relieved of duty.
Curious though, do you trip people with canes, or steal from the blind - seems to be your pattern.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:33 pmWere I drafted
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
July 30th, 2006 at 3:33 pm-------------
Hey,just like Chase:He'll stop paying mere lip service--if he's forced to.
Now, back to reality, which means ignoring MAMA'S BOY, CHICKENSHIT JASON.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:33 pmbut to say the Y chromosome “evolved from a female X chromosome†is false.
No it's not. While you were studying the Bible, I was studying gentics in college. The Y is most definitely evolved from the X. Plus, it makes sense. All life used to just divide itself. That life was female. In order to gain a greater diversity, and therefore survival rate, we evolved the male gender.
The Y being similar to the X should be a really big clue that it was a simply evolutaionary trick of survival.
The Y chromosome does not benefit from coming from either the mother or father, as does the female X, which leads to its steady and inevitable degeneration.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 3:28 pm
With the way the Y chrmosome is destroying the world, it can't degenreate quickly enough into something less violent and more capable of putting down the toilet seat...
July 30th, 2006 at 3:34 pmJuly 30th, 2006 at 3:34 pm
Actually, Zooey, that trait has led to some pretty bad relationships!
July 30th, 2006 at 3:34 pm#244, Grandma Drindl,
You got your answers, now go watch Murder She Wrote.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:35 pmRumi, if you look at a map of our cival war and placed it on a scale equal to Iraq you could draw an exact parallel in magnitude and scope of Iraq's civil war. The man is too stupid to even understand the most basic elements of history.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:35 pmThank you, tornado... time for Rice to resign. Pathetic. Incompetent. But then, is there anyone in the administration who isn't? I can't think of a single one. Anybody?
July 30th, 2006 at 3:36 pmYou're 4F? Figures.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:37 pmRummy had aggressive senile dementia before he became SecDef. Are idiot Americans just figuring this out? Where is Jim Jones when the entire population of the USA need his services so badly? At least Jones' brand of Kool Aid would have a positive benefit on the on the rest of the world...
July 30th, 2006 at 3:38 pmEver So Sincerely,
Mike Adams
Atlanta
#248, unbelieveable,
Now your name makes sense. All life divided through mitosis, which is asexual reproduction, not female. Female only makes sense when there are two sexes using meiosis, in which one sex provides a sperm and the other an egg. Only THEN do you have male and female. It is feminazism to hold such a position in stark contrast to basic science.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:40 pmCurious though, do you trip people with canes, or steal from the blind - seems to be your pattern.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Interesting you mention patterns, Jason. One thing I have noticed in my experience with people affected by the Asperger's/autism spectrum of disorders is a lack of original thought, and tendency to absorb thought patterns from their reading materials and media exposure.
Anyone else notice Jason's particular pattern?
July 30th, 2006 at 3:41 pmRummy had aggressive senile dementia before he became SecDef. Are idiot Americans just figuring this out? Where is Jim Jones when the entire population of the USA need his services so badly? At least Jones’ brand of Kool Aid would have a positive benefit on the on the rest of the world…
July 30th, 2006 at 3:41 pmEver So Sincerely,
Mike Adams
Atlanta
Comment by Mike Adams —
Link, please, 'O Angry Mike!
Actually, Zooey, that trait has led to some pretty bad relationships!
Comment by trueblue
Now take that information and run for the hills! :)
July 30th, 2006 at 3:42 pm#257, zooey,
Well, I think 6 patents with one pending is evidence enough of original thought. I don't parrot others' thinking patterns, I recognize them and use them to anticipate what those others will do. It's like having a copy of that person in my head, off which I can bounce scenarios to determine how they will react.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:44 pmafter reading this thread I can only believe that Rumsfeld is not the only one living in an alternative reality !!!!
July 30th, 2006 at 3:45 pm#261, freeman,
Looks like you've come down off your sugar high.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:46 pmWell, since there are so many ungrateful women in this country who wouldn’t appreciate the sacrifice
Who said it would be a sacrifice?
Jason, you are an embarassment to the male gender. "Feminism" is a movement to stop denying basic opportunity to females (and to some extent, males) on the sole basis of their gender. Feminists want both genders to have the merits of their talents appreciated and compensated by society equally and without regard to gender. Males are "feminists" if they support these equalitarian ideals and are, in my opinion, more "manly" by doing so.
Your notion of "earning rights" by war is very un-American, btw. The values of this Jeffersonian democracy are that rights are inherent, not earned or granted.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:46 pmWell, I think 6 patents with one pending is evidence...
July 30th, 2006 at 3:46 pmThat Jason,
He's one grandiose narcissitic MF, 'ain't he?
#260 - It’s like having a copy of that person in my head, off which I can bounce scenarios to determine how they will react.
You need a new hobby, Jason, you're not very good at this one. Why do you think you offend som many people. You try to "read" people, but you're no good at it.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:47 pmZooey,
July 30th, 2006 at 3:47 pmHow's THAT for ditching the sweetness?!!?
How’s THAT for ditching the sweetness?!!?
Comment by trueblue
Excellent! Keep up the good work!
July 30th, 2006 at 3:49 pmJason you may well be an original thinker but its obviously a VERY easy thing to manipulate the conversation here away from the point ,maybe next time you'll have more fun playing the racist !
July 30th, 2006 at 3:49 pmIt is feminazism to hold such a position in stark contrast to basic science.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 3:40 pm
Please stop with the Rush Limbaugh references.
It is bad enough when a semi-moron Epsilon minus says that on the air for his dittohead audience to hear; it is really aggravating when someone who claims to have an education parrots it.
It makes the rest of us men look bad by association.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:49 pmYour notion of “earning rights†by war is very un-American, btw. The values of this Jeffersonian democracy are that rights are inherent, not earned or granted.
Comment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian)
Ah, the voice of reason has arrived. I'm outta here. Enjoy the rest of your day everyone -- go take a walk!
July 30th, 2006 at 3:50 pmBWWWAAAAAHHHH!
And Jason thinks the Catholic Church is a proponet of feminist values...
Catholic women face excommunication for first female ordination in U.S.
By JENNIFER C. YATES (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 30, 2006 1:27 PM EDT
PITTSBURGH - Joan Houk has ministered to the sick and needy, run two Roman Catholic parishes that were without priests and has presided over baptisms and funerals. Her calling now, she says, is to be a priest.
Houk will be one of a dozen women participating in a ceremony Monday in which eight will proclaim themselves priests and four will name themselves deacons. The ceremony will not be recognized by the Catholic church, which has a 2,000-year tradition of an all-male priesthood.
Similar ceremonies conducted by the group Roman Catholic Womenpriests have been held before in other countries, and most of the participants have been excommunicated. It is the first time the group is holding a ceremony in the United States.
The Pittsburgh Diocese issued a statement saying the ordination would not be valid.
"This unfortunate ceremony will take place outside the Church and undermines the unity of the Church. Those attempting to confer Holy Orders have, by their own actions, removed themselves from the Church, as have those who present themselves for such an invalid ritual," according to the statement released by the Rev. Ronald Lengwin, a spokesman for the diocese.
July 30th, 2006 at 3:54 pm...........................
Zooey ,I agree jason needs a new hobby and I also think he hasn't proven himself very good at it, you are all an easy mark ,too predictable today and that also looks rather foolish to me .Rumsfeld is a nazi and he also probably believes his own rhetoric as well .This discussion is pitiful !
July 30th, 2006 at 3:56 pmNow your name makes sense.
You don't know my name... oh you mean the word I typed into the name box at TP so I wouldn't have to keep repeating myself when i responded to the unbelievable comments that you and your ilk make?
All life divided through mitosis, which is asexual reproduction, not female. Female only makes sense when there are two sexes using meiosis, in which one sex provides a sperm and the other an egg.
You are such the literalist... I meant female in the figurative sense. And female does make sense if there is only female life. Something we'll probably evolve back to considering the debacle of this evolutionary experiment.
But Zoo is right. You only regurgitate what you've read, not understanding the nuances of self-thought. That is clearer and clearer.
Only THEN do you have male and female. It is feminazism to hold such a position in stark contrast to basic science.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 3:40 pm
Nonsense. It's simply the reality that the first few days of your life you were female, until the Y-chromosome kicked in and made you male.
My position IS basic Science. Not that ID nonsense many Christians spout.
July 30th, 2006 at 4:01 pmIt makes the rest of us men look bad by association.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — July 30, 2006 @ 3:49 pm
Gregor, if it were up to me, we'd clone you and only let your clones reproduce :)
Don't worry you and the other progressive men here are beyond the reach of Jason's chauvanism...
July 30th, 2006 at 4:06 pmagree with zooey--you'd walk away from someone this boorish at a party--i'm doing the same. just like bush, they ruin everything they touch.
July 30th, 2006 at 4:11 pm#273, unbee,
Wrong again, initially, the embryo is asexual, not female. After a given period of time, the development diverges to develop into either male or female.
Too funny, you get "figurative", when science doesn't meet your feminazi slant on the world.
July 30th, 2006 at 4:13 pmI've had enough of Jason's Medieval mentality as well.... off to something else. Later ya'll!
July 30th, 2006 at 4:14 pmI'm not so sure that Jason actually hijacked this thread. Jason and Rumsfeld both put forth similarly warped philosophies based on the supposed superiority of one class over another. In Jason's case, its male versus female. With Rumsfeld and the rest of the PNAC crowd, its the superiority of America over the rest of the world. Both ignore the obvious - all humans are different from one another and have the capacity for good, bad, and indifferent. Our political landscape is so dangerous because there is no respect for the fact that Americans can sometimes be wrong and that those of us who love her anyway must criticize and correct her. Instead, we progressives are labelled "the hate America crowd" just like female feminists are characterized as "men haters". The parallels are striking and, perhaps, instructive.
July 30th, 2006 at 4:15 pm#271, trueblue,
Your story reinforces what I've been saying - women already run the American Catholic church, and I agree they should be allowed to become priests, but it is, as I have stated, still patriarchal, and won't allow it, but it is far from chauvenist.
July 30th, 2006 at 4:15 pmoh, one question? does anyone know whether a whole family can be autistic? I know that the Bushes didn't have a funeral for george's little sister when she died of leukemia--they played golf the next day.
July 30th, 2006 at 4:16 pmYour story reinforces what I’ve been saying - women already run the American Catholic church, and I agree they should be allowed to become priests, but it is, as I have stated, still patriarchal, and won’t allow it, but it is far from chauvenist. Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Jason, just because the woman do all the work does not mean they "run" the church and that there is equality. The priests make the decisions and the partiarchy equals chauvanist because both are based on prejudicial division into class on the basis of gender.
July 30th, 2006 at 4:21 pmWrong again, initially, the embryo is asexual, not female. After a given period of time, the development diverges to develop into either male or female.
I'm right. It is female. Not asexual. Female. It is why you not only have nipples, but useless mammory glands. Breasts are solely a female function, and if we were asexual, you'd not have them. You have them because all human life starts out female. Deal with it. Or go argue with scientists who agree with this (it's where I got it from).
Too funny, you get “figurativeâ€, when science doesn’t meet your feminazi slant on the world.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 4:13 pm
I'm not a feminazi, and I didn't make this up. I studied it at a non-religious university where they presentthe reality that exists and nottheone you wish existed.
Later Jason.
July 30th, 2006 at 4:21 pmJason,
July 30th, 2006 at 4:26 pmTHEY'RE GOING TO EXCOMMUNICATE THEM, you dolt!!!!!!!!!!
That doesn't show their suppression of women?????????
I should have never gotten sucked in to your poison in the first place.
UGH!
Hey jason how about applying some original thought to our failing democracy .You may be capable of baiting people but so far as I have seen on all your threads your original thinking isn't very ! Yesterday I watched the American bar association state its case against this presidents use of signing statements ,Saying it represented an INCREDIBLE threat to our democracy for instance !Do you always believe the propaganda of the right or are you just here to entertain yourself baiting everyone !I think I hope your only here to amuse yourself ,otherwise I fear your just as trapped in your preconcieved notions and refusing to re examine your ideas when new evidence to the contrary arrives ,clinging to old slogans and rhetoric like a life raft.No model is truly accurate ,einstein ,Newton wasn't entirely wrong, Pathagoras ,Your triangles just arent big enough Allah akbar
July 30th, 2006 at 4:29 pmAnd BTW:
July 30th, 2006 at 4:30 pmUnbelievable is RIGHT!
We all start out female. It is many weeks into gestation that the Y kicks in.
Bill Clinton was not (unsuccessfully) impeached for any sexual dalliance with Paula Jones. He
was (unsuccessfully) impeached for lying in front of a grand jury that had nothing to do with
Ms. Jones. (Her case was thrown out of court early, early on).
Get the facts first. It's easier that way.
July 30th, 2006 at 4:33 pmWe are not going to take over the House in Nov if Diebold is involved. This Admin was not elected either time. They stole the elections. It will happen again in Nov if we don't insist on paper ballots and enforcement of the voting rights bill.
July 30th, 2006 at 4:38 pmAny race that is within 7% pts will be thrown. Volunteer to work at the voting precincts
#284, freeman,
Presidential signing statements, as I have posted before, are evidence that our constitutional form of government. Congress cannot pass laws that infringe on the other two branches of government, so Bush's presidential signing statements allow for challenges to specific parts of broader legislation that are unconstitutional. The Congress may take these signing statements to the Supreme Court, and get each one review and approved / denied. Otherwise, these laws could only be brought before the Supreme Court by a private citizen who is injured by the bad law. Why wait for injury, when the President can challenge them upon signing?
July 30th, 2006 at 4:40 pm#288, Rebecca,
It's a little early to start making excuses as to why you don't retake the House in November, don't you think?
July 30th, 2006 at 4:42 pmI bought a second house in town recently and told my kids ,who are homeschooled that during the summer all their new friends would be around to play with ,silly me ,all their new friends spend the summers with thier respective fathers and of all the neighborhood only myself and wife of 22 years are still married and living together as a family ! I watch the neighbors and friends children deal with the issue of separation from one parent or the other and the fact that their syblings have different fathers .This isn't very good for them emotionally ,and it is the rule not the excecption !
July 30th, 2006 at 4:45 pmIf I were to meet any one of you I would not treat you any differently because of your sex because to me that would be sexist ! Try being human beings first the only real differences between the sexes are obvious in bed otherwise they are truly unimportant .Re invent culture but biology is a result of a million years of evolution and can not be re written to suit popular fashion ! I don't want the pope in my bedroom and I certainly don't need feminism there either !
Very original jason ,but as predictable as the reactions of the baited .Signing statements are unconstitutional according to the american bar association and represent a serious threat to our democracy ,not evidence that that democracy is working as you are implying !Argue with the bar association !you seem to be largely devoid of original thought when it comes to anything that the bushies do !
July 30th, 2006 at 4:51 pmHa ha! I can't stop laughing -- Jason H. has spent all his life under the tutelage of the Catholic chuirch and he thinks his experience has given him proper perspective, so he declares that while the church is patriarchal it is not chauvenistic!
July 30th, 2006 at 4:54 pmROFLOL.
Wouldn't be a really good thing to locate this parallel universe all these people inhabit and exile them there so they can screw it up to their hearts' content & leave the rest of us alone?
July 30th, 2006 at 5:02 pmJason:
It is not Republicans who are hell bent on pulling feeding tubes from the mouths of quadroplegics - it is “Progressives†- now that is progress.
I just cannot let this pass unchallenged.
First, a snark: I was unaware that we liberals were pulling feeding tubes from Christopher Reeve!
/Snark off.
Christopher Reeve was a quadriplegic. Notice the correct spelling please.
Terry Schiavo was brain dead. Yes, technically she was a quadriplegic, but her problems far transcended the admittedly tragic problems of a quadriplegic.
I saw her CAT scan on the web. I’m a medical librarian and have seen photographs for normal brains and abnormal brains, visualized through CAT scans, MRIs, PET scans. I’m not a neurologist and would not claim to be able to diagnose specific conditions. But grossly abnormal contrasted to essentially normal, THAT I can do. Her CAT scan was grossly abnormal. The gray matter was greatly shrunken. The ventricles (hollow places; all brains have them to a degree) were grossly enlarged. I was not at all surprised to learn that her autopsy showed that her brain weighed less than HALF that of a normal person. Her EEGs were almost flatline. There was no way that she was going to come back; her brain was too far gone. She should have been allowed to complete her death a number of years ago.
We liberals would NEVER advocate taking food from a quadriplegic such as Christopher Reeve because that would be killing a living, thinking human being. We abhor killing of sentient humans and many of us also abhor killing of sentient animals. That’s why so many of us are anti-war because it kills FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS. And please don’t drag in the abortion issue. We liberals aren’t PRO abortion, at least most of us. We just don’t believe that we are in the position to choose for other women.
July 30th, 2006 at 5:04 pmJason
Name one signing statement that Bush has produced that involves a law that infringes on Presidential powers and cite the relevant article or amendment of the Constitution which grants that power.
I may be an hour or so in response - got other living to do.
July 30th, 2006 at 5:05 pmDrindle, I don't know about autism being a family thing but I do know hate is a learned family defect as well as superiority and many negative ideas.....I also know for a fact by his actions Rumsfeld is a confused madman doing his masters bidding....Have you ever noticed his scrawney lily white hands....Bet he can't even load a gun much less shoot one.. I still think all that start the war's should have to fight them.....
Oh yes, Jason and whom ever, an interesting fact about your X or Y debate. The sex of the fertalized egg in the human species changes from female to male at around 3 months in the pregnancy..About the same for horses....All are female untill that time....Ocassionaly there are defects and the change is not complete so there is the posability of both in one child. Nothing is perfect in nature..Quite apparent to all here...
Good job Unbelievable, Zooey and Madashell........Another sad day......Blessings, we need them....Peace, demand it...
July 30th, 2006 at 5:08 pmTo Jason M. Hendler:
William Jefferson Clinton did not SEXUALLY ASSAULT Paula Jones. When you give a guy a blowjob in a consensual setting, do you feel you are being sexually assaulted?
July 30th, 2006 at 5:25 pmJason - the so-called feminists here at TP are simply a group of libral, spinster snobs. (I realize this is an oxymoron, but....) Those who nobly stand for the "notion" of equality forgot the "equality clause" when it came to Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick, etc. According to one of our resident spinsters definitions, the positions of male superiority in the classroom, workplace, etc.provide a lynchpin in the definition of abuse by a dominator. The only women they strive to assist are those who share similar ideologies. Nothing tooo open minded about that...
On thread - Notice how people who disagree with progs are descibed as "glib", "deranged", etc. - there are few open minds on the progressive side of the aisle....
July 30th, 2006 at 5:26 pmAm I banned?
July 30th, 2006 at 5:27 pmI hope not, Walt.
July 30th, 2006 at 5:30 pmWow, talk about deranged, Fareed, go live with your brothers in Iran. What a typical anti - American, anti - democracy left wing media bitch. Rumsfeld is just echoing a lot of peoples thoughts - what the hell can you call the barbarism going on in Iraq? Islam with growing pains ? Is it a civil war or is it a religious war? I think it's actually an anti - religious war, because anyone that believes that god wants them to kill people can't really be religious.
July 30th, 2006 at 5:32 pmThis whole thing is so simple that even a Fareed type should understand what's really going on - It's freedom against fascism, pure and simple. If you're not fighting for free choice, religious freedom, and democracy, then you should probably jump on the Islamic extremist band wagon or take the safe route and join the French and Spanish and hide under a rock.
Fareed, how do you deal with sheep people that follow their leaders to the point that they are convinced that god wants them to kill innocent people? Why aren't you bitching about the people that are really causing the confusion in the middle east, namely the leaders of Islam who sit on their bearded butts and watch the carnage going on to their people without even a whimper of protest? Sadly, it reminds me of the black leadership in our country. Do anything, but don't criticize your own people.! What an pampas ass you are, criticizing Rumsfeld for not knowing what to call that mess, what a joke.
Newsweek should be ashamed to have guy's like Fareed on staff, the kind of guy who hides behind the mask of journalistic freedom only to criticize the process and the people who are willing to die to protect it for him. The very process that allows him to speak his mind, no matter how screeching liberal it is.
Let's face it, the real problem is in the hearts and minds of the poor and ignorant Islamic people. The good leaders know they have a sickness in their midst but they are too weak to fight the violent ones with any real resistance. We have truly tried to help the "sheep people" fight for freedom instead of dominating them like Saddam or the leaders of Iran and Syria but we can't make them love something they've never had.
Rumsfeld and Bush are fighters for freedom while Fareed has his own agenda, which is to divide and weaken us and to question our democratic foundations. We've tried to help the Islamic sheep people but they no of nothing better and their fear of anything other than their own simple beliefs is literally killing them. Until all of Islam turns on these sick lings they'll keep dying and suffering for nothing. The other truly sad thing about Islam is that there will always be a tremendous amount of these ignorant sheep people to send to slaughter behind their Hitler's like Bin Laden. God help us all when the tyrannical Iranian get's his new toy, even Fareed may see the light but by then it will probably be to late for all of us.
When the next attack happens here, and it will, Fareed will be smiling beneath his smug Arab face like those Palestinians dancing in the streets when our towers went down. He'll come up with some reason to blame the tragedy on Rumsfeld or Bush which can only be expected by his type, but we all know the real reason it's going to happen, it's because of people like him across the world that have it to easy and have weakened their resolve against fascism and only feel safe when criticizing freedom.
The one good thing about all the strife in the world is that guy's like Fareed are easy to pick out and we are too far along in the game for them to hide behind the cover of journalistic independence - it's time to pick a side Fareed - is it Rumsfeld or Bin Laden ? Want to make a bet on which way he'll go?
Marie,
July 30th, 2006 at 5:39 pmSince last night, I have problems with a HTTP 403 error - forbidden. Time to use "GoBack".
It must be after dark. Jason's evil bloodsucking 'conservative' vampire friends have come out.
Do you suppose one of his patents is something that allows him to stay awake in the daytime, instead of sleeping in his coffin?
July 30th, 2006 at 5:39 pmChoose Rumsfeld or bin Ladin? Hmmm... which one has done more to destroy America?
July 30th, 2006 at 5:40 pmJason Hendler speaks with only half a brain that works only half the time that only understands half of the conversation which leads to such half-assed comments. As a moderate Republican please allow me to apologize for the current administration and the debacle that it has caused in the Middle East, our own country and the shredding of the Constitution of the United States. I implore all moderates in the GOP to do as I plan to do in November and vote Democrat. We must save the country from the christianist terrorist who are now running our beloved party and country over the cliff. Jason only speaks for himself and as such should not be used as a barometer to gauge real Republicans. We do not hate Democrats, Muslims, women, the ecology, minorities, free speech, the so-called "liberal media" (which is a lie the rightwingers have foisted upon America.) My apologies to all who are offended by Jason and his kind. He is also offensive to us.
July 30th, 2006 at 5:48 pmMighty: "...the so-called feminists here at TP are simply a group of libral, spinster snobs. (I realize this is an oxymoron, but….)"
July 30th, 2006 at 5:51 pm- - Ummm, no, there is no combination of incongruous words there, hence no oxymoron. Maybe you should look up 'libral'(sic), 'spinster,' and 'snobs.' Oxymorons are things like wedded bliss, gourmet tofu and, more recently, Microsoft Works.
He is also offensive to us.
Comment by Zak Attack
Bless you, Zak Attack, and welcome!
July 30th, 2006 at 5:54 pmAll mouth, No brain: "When the next attack happens here, and it will, Fareed will be smiling beneath his smug Arab face..." - - Fareed graduated from Harvard and Yale and was born in India, you twit.
July 30th, 2006 at 5:55 pmYay Zak! Back to 303--choose between bin Ladin and Rumsfeld... they're on the same side. Both doing everything they can to destroy America's military capability. Both doing all they can to do destroy America's credibility. Except bin Ladin is proably smarter, unfortunately. god help us.
July 30th, 2006 at 6:11 pmHendler,
July 30th, 2006 at 6:15 pmThis abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s63100.html site seems to disagree with your theory of the origins of the Y chromosome.This is a rererereresend of a post that has yet to make it.
I think Jason H. is the Karl Rove hired replacement for Seixon who got banned from TP! They both have the same MO to hijack the thread, and gum it up with baloney!
July 30th, 2006 at 6:21 pmBin Laden and his evil plan won when America decided it was okay to torture, hold people without charges filed, no legal representation, suspend civil liberties, spy on ordinary American citizens, use fear as a weapon to keep opinions buried and the worst crime of all....calling anyone who disagreed with this administration traitors and anti-American. Even when Kennedy faced the notion of a conflict with Russia over the Cuban missle crisis, he didn't precede to trample the Constitution, or push the button and start a war. Even after Pearl Harbor, we didn't decide to throw away what made America great and allow torture. The one thing that must stand out to the world is what cowards Americans must be to allow one incident of terrorism to change the way we live. We threw out all our beliefs over 9/11. Bin Laden must be laughing his ass off at the weakness of our convictions. So much for the good ol American can-do spirit.
July 30th, 2006 at 6:23 pmAgain, yay zack, patriot. Progressives must our country back from the morally bankrupt fools who control us-- and make America great again. I grew up believing my country was different from other places, that we wanted to live free or die, that we were a shining beacon of freedom to other peoples.
Now I have been saddened to watch my fellow citizens roll over as their most intimate lives were invaded and spied upon and their Constitutional rights trampled. As we have acted like the brutes who have attacked us, sinking to their level on every occasion. But this is not the America I know and love. Perhaps we can wake up in time, before we become what we hate.
God bless America. May she live again!
July 30th, 2006 at 6:33 pmLet us try again: The link is "http_://www.abc_.net._au/science/news/stories/s63100.htm". If I paste it on the address line, sans quotes and spaces, it works. TP refuses to recognize it.
July 30th, 2006 at 6:37 pm#309 - Dear Mr. BadMOOD - Thank you for correcting my spelling error. The incongruous words were "liberal" and "snobs" - The tolerance and open-minded qualities liberals espouse but in reality lack makes their snpbbisness appear even more intolerble than it is....A dictionary might help my spelling and your understanding of multi-defined words.....
July 30th, 2006 at 6:42 pmMA > how is Karl Rove today? Is he feeling ill I hope > lol.
July 30th, 2006 at 6:45 pm#271 -" And Jason thinks the Catholic Church is a proponet of feminist values…"
Comment by TrueBLUE
******Good news, Mr./Ms. Blue - you don't have to join the Catholic Church! They won't even kill you if you disagree with them - unlike your radical Islamic friends....The sad truth about she/men is they want men to become more feminized while they display more masculinity - blurring the lines between the sexes has been a goal for thirty years - and the men of NOW prove it....
July 30th, 2006 at 6:48 pm#297, Charlie,
...only if it's done right...
July 30th, 2006 at 7:03 pm#281, PLC,
You would have to have been a male in the nun and female lay teacher dominated schools to understand the impact of women in the Catholic church. Yes, male priests hold the purse strings and control assets, but it is the women who make things happen and teach the children - who would you suspect has the greater influence on young minds?
July 30th, 2006 at 7:05 pmOn the X and Y chromosome discussion, let's just agree to disagree. As for mitosis, it is ridiculous to conclude single celled organisms to be female simply because their chromosomes are X shaped, which all chromosomes are.
July 30th, 2006 at 7:08 pmJayKKK Randal - Karl said to tell you he's feeling great! (I know this news disappoints you....)
Drinzella - Please explain to me how YOUR Constitutional rights have been "trampled". Specifics only, please....
July 30th, 2006 at 7:10 pm#294, wolfdaughter,
You probably threatened pulling the feeding tube out of Christopher Reeves mouth if he didn't serve as the poster child for embryonic stem cell research. Good thing he towed the line, or he would have been dead long before his wife.
July 30th, 2006 at 7:12 pm#274, unbee,
Too funny, cloning is the feminist dream. They could eliminate men from the process altogether - no wonder you advocate it.
July 30th, 2006 at 7:15 pm321 Jason
And when a priest says "no" to something or expects something, I bet the nuns have no choice but to go along. Further, controlling assets is controlling the organization. I've been the director of an agency where I controlled everything except the purse strings. I know where control is whether I've been a part of the Catholic School organization or not.
BTW, where's the response to my question about the signing statements? Right wing talking points don't include anything about this?
July 30th, 2006 at 7:17 pm#265, zoo,
Actually, I am very good at it, herding the simians to and fro, exactly where I want them - observing whether their actions were as predicted, modifying my model and retesting again and again. Offending people is but one of the stimuli...
Unfortunately, people are very simple algorithms of behaviour. Democrats used demagoguery of race, sex, sexuality, class, etc., to move the masses where they wanted, but Republicans have learned better how displace those simpler manipulations through exposing the manipulators as frauds, using the voters for their own ends.
July 30th, 2006 at 7:20 pm#327, mustafa,
Aren't there better places to troll for gay men than TP? Do I have to file a sexual harassment charge to stop your advances?
July 30th, 2006 at 7:23 pm#324 - JMH,
July 30th, 2006 at 7:23 pm60 years ago, the nuns were the driving force. From five to seven (Years), I recieved enough wounds to fortify that. After that, it was public school, and a most inspiring teacher steered me to science was in the sixth grade (Public school). There are two points in education, the foundation and building the structure. It is unfortunate that the foundation is the weakest and most ignored point in construction of a mind.
whoa... i had to leave the room for a few hours to take care of some business... i pick up reading where i left off, but when i got to the comments below, i could read no further until i talked to some one who would know how to respond to such statements... such as:
Christianity may have been patriarchial, but it is by no means chauvenistic from my experience.
when i read that to my sister, who is a nun, School Sisters of Notre Dame, she let out such a laugh... that statement alone is a contradiction, as patriarchy is fundamentally chauvenistic (not?)... but know that male chauvenism is alive and well in the Catholic Church...
however, this she mostly agreed with:
Yes, a couple priests might head a parish, but it is the nuns and female lay people that run the place.
to the extent that the ideal 1950s household is run by the housewife, anyway... but, she does acknowledge that the parish "ladies" and lay personel, the parish council, handle the day-to-day business and in general "run the place" - under the direct supervision and authority of the pastor, a priest... and the heirachy from there goes up to bishop, cardinal, pope - all men, of course...
now, my sister was quick to let me know that many priests and even bishops have lately come to appreciate the roles and recognize the value that woman - lay and clerical - have in the Church...
but, chauvinism is still a strong trait of Catholicism...
of course, to someone like jason, i'm sure the term is relative...
just had to get that out there... sorry about the OT, but i think that went by the wayside a long time ago!
July 30th, 2006 at 7:23 pmThe incongruous words were “liberal†and “snobs†. comment by Mighty Aphrodite
July 30th, 2006 at 7:25 pm***************************************************
Let's see "incongruous" means "not in harmony with or in agreement with" and a "snob" is someone who "looks down on those who are seen as less intelligent and/or tries to pretend to be in a higher social standing". Therefore, according to you, a liberal is not a snob. So, you do love us after all!
he's still here?
July 30th, 2006 at 7:26 pm#331, Walt,
Amen to that, brother. Sexually frustrated feminist nuns slapping the crap out of the boys while giving a pass to girls who behaved as badly.
The education was good though - in the 6th grade, my gradeschool hired its first male teacher for science, which inspired me to become an engineer - otherwise, the nuns would have pushed me towards comedy.
July 30th, 2006 at 7:26 pm#328 - Jason,
That's called projection.
July 30th, 2006 at 7:26 pmAren’t there better places to troll for gay men than TP? Do I have to file a sexual harassment charge to stop your advances?
@ 7:23 pm
that is the ultimate in double standards...
July 30th, 2006 at 7:30 pm#332, katy,
I understand your sister's (the nun) viewpoint. The nuns who report to the clergy may see "male domination", because they only see males, but that doesn't make it chauvenistic. That's like saying all men are chauvenistic, which you've admitted isn't true.
From the viewpoint of a lay person, who only interfaces with nuns and female lay people, it appears very female dominated - that's the experience of the lay person. These women act as a filter that slants things in favor of women, so again I say, the American Catholic church is run by women.
July 30th, 2006 at 7:34 pmso again I say, the American Catholic church is run by women.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 7:34 pm
you volunteer to show your ignorance, again? ok...
that's all for you...
July 30th, 2006 at 7:36 pm#339, katy,
I have made no advances towards any women on this board. I have called out the women here when they cross the line with feminist diatribes, and answered emasculating jibes with equally effeminating cuts.
July 30th, 2006 at 7:37 pmanyone want to run a background check on this douchebag?
July 30th, 2006 at 7:48 pmWe already know he lives in Melbourne, Fla, and is ~39 years old.
Sociopath.
Way back in #295 I asked Jason Hendler the following in response to one of his posts:
Name one signing statement that Bush has produced that involves a law that infringes on Presidential powers and cite the relevant article or amendment of the Constitution which grants that power.
He has ignored the question and continued his garbage against feminism. I'm done for the evening - gotta go be a feminist husband and clean up the house before my wife gets home! If Jason H. deems to respond to my question, I know I have a proxy in the house. Keep up the progressive wind.
July 30th, 2006 at 7:49 pm#344, PLC,
I will let Arlen Spector challenge the signing statements and argue them before the Supreme Court.
July 30th, 2006 at 7:54 pm#334- "....So, you do love us after all!" - Comment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian)
******Of course I love you all, Liberal "Christian"....But that doesn't mean your assumptions, prejudice and flawed thinking are correct....but conservatives love liberals because we see how far our thinking has matured and evolved....
July 30th, 2006 at 7:54 pm#343, true,
Knock yourself out, I would love to know what you find ...
July 30th, 2006 at 7:54 pmgotta go be a feminist husband and clean up the house before my wife gets home!
Comment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian) — July 30, 2006 @ 7:49 pm
and you know that makes you a REAL MAN !!!
July 30th, 2006 at 8:07 pmgotta love 'em! ...so few and far between...
I cannot understand why those who support GWB, and his continuing 'Quest For Failure', are not alarmed by Rumsfeld's 'responses' when questioned about anything having to do with the U.S.'s continuing occupation of Iraq. When his favorite answer is "I don't know.", and as often as he uses it, you would think that all of the 'War Supporters' out there would be demanding some real answers. But no, they just gang up on anyone who does, ignoring the FACT that the person who SHOULD know, says he doesn't. Regularly. Please, BushCo supporters, why don't you care? Why is "I don't know." an acceptable response to you? What do you think he is responsible for knowing? I would REALLY like to know.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:13 pm#349, God,
I posted the F-4 classification, because someone stated that if I hypothetically enlisted, I would be discharged under that classification for being mildly Asperger, aka Autisitc Spectral Disorders. I responded that my success in education and business would preclude such a discharge. I registered for the draft, but was never called. I never enlisted, but did work in the defense industry, going to domestic bases and overseas installations.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:14 pm#350, katy,
Yes, it is very easy for you to speak patronizingly to a man who cows to a feminist - I know, I was in such a relationship, but learned better. The real test comes when a woman actually has to stand by her man in crises or bad times, not just the good, and that is usually when the feminist run, again, I know from experience. All those good deeds by men may get you appreciation, but the hardest lesson I've learned is that it doesn't buy you a woman's loyalty. My adversaries drove home their point that loyalty is based on need, not appreciation.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:17 pmWhy is “I don’t know.†an acceptable response to you? What do you think he is responsible for knowing? I would REALLY like to know.
Comment by Cyra Brown
Good luck getting that answer, Cyra. I would hazard a guess that they don't know.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:19 pm#353 - If you think you have to buy a woman's loyalty, you're dating the wrong women.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:22 pmMA is just jealous that we women all suport one another, butexclud him, so he makes catty remarks to pretend like he really doesn't care.
Your envy is obvious Mighty Malcontent...
July 30th, 2006 at 8:24 pm#356, Zoo,
I've had it demonstrated to me. Count yourself lucky that you haven't been tested to the extremes that I have. When you work in high tech, where millions of $ are at stake, people will do ANYTHING to tear down the competition. Just ask Netscape how it was to go against MS Internet Explorer.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:30 pmToo funny, cloning is the feminist dream.
You're not a Feminist, therefore you don't to define what any of us do and do not dream about.
As usual you are wrong. I have more male friends than female. I definitely do NOT want men to go away. I just want your variety (chauvanistic and patronizing) to go away. As I keep trying to explain, I do not see the world in your absolutist shades of black and white, but in millions of colors.
They could eliminate men from the process altogether - no wonder you advocate it.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 7:15 pm
Zoo was right again, you are terrible at 'reading' other people. Really, really bad.
By the way, trueblue used to work for MIT on the Human Genome Project. She is far more qualified than you to know the genetic origins of human life. Therefore, like it or not, we have an expert validating what I told you. Men start out female in life. It's why you have boobies that you do not use.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:30 pmIs it possible? Our troll Jason MH, has a troll. ;)
July 30th, 2006 at 8:30 pmWhat Friedman and many conservatives are doing now is attempting to salvage something from the ashes of the Conservative Ideology. Lets face it folks Conservative Idealogy got us here-ya gotta dance with who brought ya
July 30th, 2006 at 8:30 pmThe real test comes when a woman actually has to stand by her man in crises or bad times, not just the good, and that is usually when the feminist run, again, I know from experience.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 8:17 pm
So, all your diatribes against feminists and feminism are borne out of spite, due to bad experiences with women? Somehow I suspected it. Too many gibes, too much snickering.
Mr. Hendler, I do not know what, in your mind, feminism is. Nor do I care to know at this point. At any rate, spare us the intimate aspects of your private life. It really does sound you have many unresolved issues vis a vis women. You surely realise ThinkProgress is not the best forum to test action-reaction type of scenarios that would confirm whatever opinion you have formed of women, let alone resolve your relationship issues.
Your Limbaugh-borrowed taunts are very quickly getting old, and they are wholly unbecoming.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:31 pm#359, Zoo,
Oh, and I said that loyalty is based on need, only a subset of which is "bought". Loyalty is definitely not held by anything as trivial as appreciation for past support or help.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:32 pmTo Zak Attack RE: #308:
Your apologies are appreciated but unnecessary. Far left liberals like myself, moderate Republicans such as you, and simpletons like Jason, Billclint, and other shitheels of their like all share in the responsibility of the current nightmare that is now America.
Ignorance, fear, inaction, and sheer stupidity on the part of the American public have allowed an unprincipled and hugely immoral regime to not only seriously threaten the Republic but also create instability in the world.
Zakaria's statements regarding the parallel universe populated by Rumsfeld and other neocons is an apt metaphor for their mad vision of a world dominated unilaterally by American interests and enforced by American military might.
The November 2006 elections give Americans a chance (Diebold notwithstanding) to throw a monkey wrench into these designs and perhaps bring to justice those accountable for American transgressions since 9/11.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:32 pmHi Mrs. Aphrodite
July 30th, 2006 at 8:34 pmThe real test comes when a woman actually has to stand by her man in crises or bad times, not just the good, and that is usually when the feminist run,
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 8:17 pm
Don't you get tired of being wrong? Just because you got burned by a strong women, you now label them all accordingly?
My mother is as much of a feminist as comes from the WWII generation, and when my father was diagnosed with terminal cancer, she took a leave of absence from her job to care for him until he died.
Get over it. You're shooting yourself in the foot for the wrong reasons.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:35 pm#359 - Jason,
I was referring to personal relationships. I wouldn't know aobut your working relationships.
In my working life, people do favors for me because they like me, and they are loyal to me because I am loyal to them.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:35 pmTo # 18:
If they are Islamo-fascists then the the present bushco assholes are old torah-christo-neofascists.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:36 pmHey, what's the deal? 10 against Jason M. Hendler?
Not fair. Not balanced.
Could you come one-by-one instead?
This is suppose to be "fair and balanced" crowd, is it?
July 30th, 2006 at 8:36 pmpesfb
"torah-christo-neofascists"
Wow, aim high, buddy. Where in the world did you find this rubbish?
Or is it home made, like some missiles "manufactured" in by some Middle East folks?
July 30th, 2006 at 8:39 pmIs it possible? Our troll Jason MH, has a troll. ;)
Comment by Zooey — July 30, 2006 @ 8:30 pm
How appropriate!
July 30th, 2006 at 8:40 pmInvolvement in community theater is enough to not just disqualify, but actually remove someone from military service, while a "moral waiver" allows a high-school dropout with a criminal record to enlist in the millitary days after his last arrest.
Look: they may be criminals, but they're not fags. Is there anything else about the military's attitude we don't understand?
July 30th, 2006 at 8:41 pm- - from http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/
Now that OJ has arrived, this thread is terminal.
In the voice of Cartman:
July 30th, 2006 at 8:41 pmScrew you guys, I'm takin' the dog for a walk.
By the way, trueblue used to work for MIT on the Human Genome Project. She is far more qualified than you to know the genetic origins of human life.
Thanks Unbelievable! I feel so important now!
In my working life, people do favors for me because they like me, and they are loyal to me because I am loyal to them.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:43 pmComment by Zooey
And on this site you have people who watch your back because you are a good person!
When you're nice, people are generally nice back.
Then we have the wicked troll.....
#360, unbee,
quote by unbee
I know exactly what response I will get. You make an emasculating comment like:
quote by unbee
and I will respond by making effeminating comments like your wish to reproduce through cloning to rid yourself of men.
I knew you would protest and be indignant.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:45 pmJason,
Go get a therapist. Think Progress is not here for you to heal your wounds.
Better to blame others for your bad choices in life than to accept personal responsibility seems to be your mantra.
I really don't know why the neocons keep saying that they are the party of responsibility when they are always blaming everyone else for their lack of security, financial stability, and general happiness... Sheesh.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:46 pmLoyalty is definitely not held by anything as trivial as appreciation for past support or help.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Bullshit, again.
You mess with Zooey or Unbelievable and you get my hackles up.
I don't even know their real names, but I DO know they are good people and undeserving of your crap.
I would gladly jump in to support/help them.
Maybe you're simply angry because you haven't experienced that in YOUR life?
July 30th, 2006 at 8:47 pmThanks Unbelievable! I feel so important now!
Just now? You've always been important. :)
When you’re nice, people are generally nice back.
Comment by trueblue — July 30, 2006 @ 8:43 pm
Something that seems to elude the resident trolls.
Was Seixon really banned?
July 30th, 2006 at 8:49 pm#377, unbee,
Actually, I do take the blame. I misunderstood what evokes support / loyalty from people. I thought that it was a reciprocating arrangement - I am loyal and support others, they support me, but when it comes down to it, when tested, it comes down to need. I partnered first with a wife, then with a brother, and both took without giving - given that pattern, I am the fool. I keep engaging in bad partnerships, others just seize the opportunities I present - it's just human nature.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:51 pmAhh, shucks, Unbelievable,... now I'm blushing!
July 30th, 2006 at 8:51 pm(which I actually AM, and do at the drop of a hat. A TOTAL bummer at the age of 40, though!)
I knew you would protest and be indignant.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 8:45 pm
Because the comment was not emasculating. It was a compliment to Gregor here who treats women with respect and equality. It actually was for Gregor alone and had nothing to do with you.
You knew or the odds were just high that after being wrong so much, you were bound to get one right - even if accidentally?
Just remember Jason, while trying to play the victim that it was YOU who made the first anti-female commentary. You brought it up. I merely took the position of defense.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:53 pmTrue,
What type of genetics work did you do? In hindsight, I should have gone into organic chemistry / genetics, since I excelled in chemistry (I dig stoichiometry).
July 30th, 2006 at 8:53 pm#382, unbee,
...meaning that only proglodites should reproduce, which is a jibe at those who aren't progressives. Maybe it was addressed to Gregor, but the intent or implication is clear - no stretch of inference necessary.
No, you behave always as I predict, although I have learned you are independent, etc. Not playing the victim, just holding the line on feminism.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:58 pmmr hendler,
you are utterly full of shit. i've seen your posts here on multiple threads and you have yet to provide a cohesive argument based on any facts or evidence.
for instance,
paula jones, et al: the journalist that lead the charge for the right wing on almost all of these stories in the 90s, david brock, has stated on numerous occasions that ALL of those witch-hunts were either total fabrications (vince foster, alleged "drug deals"), or simply activities where no illegal act was ever found to have been committed (paula jones, whitewater). now, we're talking about someone who was rabidly against clinton in the 90s, who has now recanted. quite simply, there's no truth to any of the allegations that were made.
presidential signing statements:
your logic here is laughable. the constitution is clear, congress enacts the laws, the executive enforces the laws, and the judiciary interprets the laws. i'm even willing to give the president the benefit of the doubt for the simple signing statement for the purpose of clarifying how the law will be enforced, but to simply say that he will not enforce the law (or parts of the law) is shirking his direct responsibility to the constitution. in declaring in a signing statement that he thinks a law, or part of a law, is constitutional and he won't enforce it, he is committing an unconstitutional act himself. the president already has a fantastic way to say he won't enforce a law if he doesn't like it -- it's called a VETO. basic civics lesson, jason. back to fifth grade with you.
as for feminism, you are a fool for even weighing in on that one. personally i can't imagine what it must be like to grow up as a woman in a male-dominated society (which society? take your pick). and as a man i won't even presume that i have a place to say how women should feel about it. however "enlightened" we say we are here in western society, just look at the image of women we still perpetuate (or men, for that matter). anorexic models, the cosmetic industry, the particularly disgusting magazines aimed at women that are designed to make them worry about stuff that is clearly not important, the religious view of how a woman should behave, the "professional" woman vs. the "traditional" woman, etc.
somehow i don't think a jesuit has that much insight. i have to wonder, do you feel any pangs of pride every time you see a swastika? goebbels was jesuit-educated, and jesuits most certainly aided hitler's rise to power. you studied under an order that craves power and uses false benevolence as a mirage.
so go on, keep telling us how you feel and what you believe. it's utter horseshit.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:58 pmJason,
Look, I am a recovering co-dependent. I say recovering because I think that like my father's alcoholism was permanent, so too are my tendancies. But I work hard at not giving into them.
You have to draw ego boundaries in relationships and not let people cross them. Once you let them get away with crossing those boundaries, you will become a doormat to those people. I've learned not to get too attached too soon, so that there is time to test your relationship with people and see who is and who isn't worthy of trust. And those who are won't run away just because you ask for that time.
The best book I ever read on this was 'Claiming Your Self Esteem' by Caroline Ball. I highly recommend it.
We're social animals. We need people. We just need to be smart about which ones we let get close.
July 30th, 2006 at 8:59 pm.
Ahh, shucks, Unbelievable,… now I’m blushing!
(which I actually AM, and do at the drop of a hat. A TOTAL bummer at the age of 40, though!)
Comment by trueblue — July 30, 2006 @ 8:51 pm
Just speaking the truth :D
Nice to never lose the little girl completely, I think. Keeps us hopeful and curious...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:01 pmJason,
I HATED Organic Chem!
Like Unbelievable said, I worked on the Human Genome Project.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:02 pmWe made the libraries (swiped DNA samples onto bacteria) grew them, isolated the megabases we wanted, put that into an M-13 virus, grew that, etc,etc,etc; purified the outcome, inserted dyes that recognized the bases (A,T,C,G) then ran it on a gel that ran past an indicator that flashed the 4 different colors of the 4 different bases. Read them, did PCR on parts that bound up, then sent it out on the web to the scientists working on their particular gene.
No, you behave always as I predict, although I have learned you are independent, etc. Not playing the victim, just holding the line on feminism.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 8:58 pm
It was a joke Jason. And a compliment to Gregor. Period. It had nothing to do with you.
You don't predict me. You don't know me well enough.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:04 pm#385, Prog,
Yes, Hill'reh called in the lawyers to enable her husbands sexual predations, and they got away with the base offenses, but slipped up in grand jury testimony, and he got
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These signing statements allow for judicial review of laws before they create victims, not after, so it is good for America. Arlen Spector will bring it before the Supreme Court, and they will rule on their constitutionality.
Men's duty to God, country and family are clear and unwavering, so why should a woman's duties by any less? Feminism tries to undo those basic underpinnings of our society - denying God, debasing the country and abandoning the family.
Nazism is a fascinating case study, as is Mao, Stalin and other dictators using fascism / communism to seize power, then slaughter people in the 10's of millions. To ignore those lessons is to be vulnerable to them again.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:06 pmya gotta dance with who brought ya
Comment by vic oldright — July 30, 2006 @ 8:30 pm
um, well, no, not really... especially if your date turns into a jerk...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:06 pmand that's pretty much what happened to this country 6 years ago...
we are all now suffering from "battered country syndrome"...
it's time to dump the bastard...
RIGHT ON, Katy!!!!
July 30th, 2006 at 9:08 pmpersonally i can’t imagine what it must be like to grow up as a woman in a male-dominated society (which society? take your pick). and as a man i won’t even presume that i have a place to say how women should feel about it. however “enlightened†we say we are here in western society, just look at the image of women we still perpetuate (or men, for that matter). anorexic models, the cosmetic industry, the particularly disgusting magazines aimed at women that are designed to make them worry about stuff that is clearly not important, the religious view of how a woman should behave, the “professional†woman vs. the “traditional†woman, etc.
Comment by Progressaurus Rex — July 30, 2006 @ 8:58 pm
Actually, that was pretty damn good...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:08 pmun-b,
don't know if seixon was banned, but i certainly don't see him around here anymore. i wouldn't be surprised, though. he's clogged up a lot of threads with semantic and "prove i'm wrong" arguments (which make the "prover" do all the work, while he gets to endlessly throw up false assertions). an endless cycle, really.
or maybe he just finally realized he was getting nowhere.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:08 pm#385 - Progressaurus Rex
Me like Progressaurus Rex, he always say "may I?" before he drag me into cave by hair; always give me first choice of mammoth meat; and smoothest rock for pillow.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:09 pm:-)
Zooey,
July 30th, 2006 at 9:11 pmYou are incredible!!!!!!!
#388, true,
I never took organic chem, went into mechanical engineering, then electrical engineering with emphasis in electro-magnetics and medical imaging. The one talent that Aspergers syndrome gives you is the ability to visualize what can't be seen directly - mechanical assemblies not yet designed, EM wavepatterns, etc. I would have been good at picturing molecules and their processes before there were CAD machines to do it for you.
I saw a documentary that showed that at least one form of breast cancer that is caused by a genetic sequence is now 100% cureable through gene therapy. That is too cool.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:11 pmor maybe he just finally realized he was getting nowhere.
Comment by Progressaurus Rex — July 30, 2006 @ 9:08 pm
You give him more credit than I :)
He was out of control with those really, really, really long posts that drive Judd nuts. And he was just obnoxious. Can't say I'm not happy to see him gone. He broke my scroll wheel on my mouse... :)
July 30th, 2006 at 9:13 pmAnd on this site you have people who watch your back because you are a good person!
When you’re nice, people are generally nice back.
So sweet...*sniff*
...now I’m blushing!
(which I actually AM, and do at the drop of a hat. A TOTAL bummer at the age of 40, though!)
Comment by trueblue
Never be ashamed of blushing! It means you are humble, sweet, conscientious, and have good blood circulation. All excellent qualities. Just a couple days ago I was blushing all the way to my navel, and I ain't telling why. :-D
July 30th, 2006 at 9:16 pmJust a couple days ago I was blushing all the way to my navel, and I ain’t telling why. :-D
Comment by Zooey — July 30, 2006 @ 9:16 pm
c-u-t-e b-o-y :)
July 30th, 2006 at 9:18 pmZooey,
AAAAHHHHH!
Tell Me, Tell Me, Tell Me!!!!
You gotta give, since YOU brought it up!
July 30th, 2006 at 9:20 pmb-o-y, hell no, M-A-N. :)
July 30th, 2006 at 9:20 pm...woman, etc....somehow i don’t think a jesuit has that much insight...you studied under an order that craves power and uses false benevolence as a mirage.
Comment by Progressaurus Rex — July 30, 2006 @ 8:58 pm
that... is such an excellent point...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:21 pmit is so engrained in me, that it went right by me...
rich...
#403, Zoo,
Sounds like true dug up pics of me and sent them to you ...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:22 pmb-o-y, hell no, M-A-N. :)
Comment by Zooey
Now you gotta tell! I have to live vicariously through you!
July 30th, 2006 at 9:24 pmhintler,
yes, impeached, but not convicted - over perjury, and not ANY of the aforementioned canards the right-wing endlessly paraded. does it shame you to think that there were people that share the same ideology as you that were vindictively and falsely making charges? apparently not, you still perpetuate these vindictive and false charges. your "duty to god" is a sham if you can't realize that you are not the judge of men. would christ have led the impeachment? just curious.
you are the ultimate hypocrite for eschewing your supposed dedication to jesus' teachings to be fixated on the actions of this man. be fixated on your own actions, sinner. help those that need help. cease the condemnation of those you think are wrong. demonstrate your piety with actions and not ridiculous, hateful and dishonest words.
there are religious people i respect, hintler, but they are humble and let their actions speak for themselves. your words give you away as a persecutor.
and in case you have forgotten, as an american, i have no duty to god. that's your own tarnished dogma trying to crowd in on the values of this country.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:25 pmOh Jason, you card!
July 30th, 2006 at 9:28 pmYou'd love to think that I spend ANY time on you. It was a call out to the TP readers to find out what your story is.
Me? I am totally disinclinced to sink into that abyss.
I only answered your last question because it was the only nice thing you typed all night.
That's what I get for trying to be nice.....
UGH!
Zooey! I didn't learn my lesson, did I?
#405 - trueblue
I met this really adorable man. He's around 40, mechanical engineer, right winger (but who needs to talk?), kind of socially awkward, lives in Florida, he acts like he has a problem with women, but really he just needed to meet me, and his initials are JMH. :P
July 30th, 2006 at 9:28 pmhintler ! the troll has a new name!
thanks, rex!
July 30th, 2006 at 9:29 pmahh, zooey, harkening back to the cave days.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:29 pmwhen it was so easy to please women. all you had to do was offer the smoothest rock to sleep on.
#371 One Jew
July 30th, 2006 at 9:30 pmYou know exactly what that term means. The born again cross worshipers who abhor what their jesus said and instead consistently quote the old testament to justify their fundamentalist totalitarian beliefs and efforts to legislate them.
true and zoo (poet and didn't know it)
407 and 408 are funny - I got a good laugh. Currently watching the Anchorman on cable and busting a gut ...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:30 pmProg Rex, offering the smoothest rock is one of the finest qualities of cavemen. That and at least six teeth.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:32 pmand his initials are JMH. :P
Comment by Zooey — July 30, 2006 @ 9:28 pm
You are hilarious... I'm sure Jason just wet himself at the thought.
Well, I gots ta run. Busy week. School starts Tuesday and I'm not getting classroom furniture until Wednesday... should be interesting.
Good night everyone! Have a good evening :)
July 30th, 2006 at 9:32 pmThanks, Zooey -
July 30th, 2006 at 9:32 pmIt's 9:30pm here, and I'd be getting ready for bed, but that comment has prompted me to now jump in the shower!
eeeeeewwWWWWWWWWWWWW!
do any of you remember the poster who came on with stories of seixon blackmailing jason leopold? some story like that... it got brushed off, but i was sure intriqued... had forgotten that till now...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:32 pmanyone?
Sounds like true dug up pics of me and sent them to you …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 9:22 pm
Since the very first thread where Jason first posted, I guess, he has these flirty comments towards some posters which I think are women. I am not a judge but it must be really sad to approach people that way in a political, social and economic site like this one.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:36 pmpesfb
Finally, I got bored waiting. Everyone else on this blog seem to enjoy the harmony.
“You know exactly what that term meansâ€
No. Never heard of it.
“…to justify their fundamentalist totalitarian beliefs and efforts to legislate themâ€
This, actually, does not explain either.
Look, first, relax a bit will you?
Now. Do you call The Constitution of the USA “fundamentalist totalitarian beliefs and efforts to legislate themâ€
July 30th, 2006 at 9:37 pm#417, Juan,
Run, hide, Eva Peron is back!
July 30th, 2006 at 9:37 pmCurrently watching the Anchorman on cable and busting a gut …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Figures, JMH.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:37 pmTotally SEXIST movie.
(and stupid, BTW)
katy, I remember the comments, but I don't remember the name. I was surprised at how Seixon was so bold about admitting he'd done it. It was one of the last times I saw Seixon around here. That one deserved banning, unlike James R.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:38 pm#420, true,
It is a parody of the times. The 70's is when women first started entering the workforce, and they built a comedy around that conflict ...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:38 pmRun, hide, Eva Peron is back!
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 9:37 pm
Didnt quite get it but anyway...whatever.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:40 pmSteam is out. C'mon guys, lets run this blog till #500!!!
July 30th, 2006 at 9:41 pmSince the very first thread where Jason first posted, I guess, he has these flirty comments towards some posters which I think are women.
Comment by Juan C
Hi Juan, In Jason's defense (just this once, Jason, don't get cocky), he was joking. But, of course, Jason has to ruin it with the silly "Eva Peron" crack.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:41 pmI met this really adorable man...
Comment by Zooey — July 30, 2006 @ 9:28 pm
WELL. HHMPHH.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:42 pmi barely started in that direction, and you go, 'EW... ICK..."
at least i was hoping he was rich and old and would die soon...
i know, i'm bad...
Oh and Jason...I WAS NOT HITTING ON YOU.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:42 pmpesfb
C'mon, say something - I gotta go.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:43 pmSince the very first thread where Jason first posted, I guess, he has these flirty comments towards some posters which I think are women. I am not a judge but it must be really sad to approach people that way in a political, social and economic site like this one.
Comment by Juan C
Thank you, Juan C,
I'm happy to see that Progressive thinking people like you (and Prog Rex, and Gregor....OOH! And Spudge Boy!) see past the crappola.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:44 pmI'm tired of it.... but then again have been tired of it for some 25 of my 40 years!
To all,
Juan and I had discussions in which he seemed concerned with Latin American dictators and oppressive regimes, hence the Eva Peron comment.
Zooey,
Aw gosh, I am all gushy now with emotion - thanks, I am really starting to feel a connection with you gals ....
Katy,
What's wrong with rich and young?
July 30th, 2006 at 9:45 pmHello, Zoo, true, katy and prog.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:46 pmAnd Jason, hello to you, also.
Juan C
This is "... political, social and economic site"?
Sorry, didn't notice.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:46 pm#431, Juan,
Hello, I miss our discussions, you have a good perspective on a part of the world with which I am not as familiar.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:47 pmat least i was hoping he was rich and old and would die soon…
i know, i’m bad…
Comment by katy
Usually I am hoping for the three Cs (Cash, Cadillac & Cancer), but not this time.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:47 pm:-D
Aw gosh, I am all gushy now with emotion - thanks, I am really starting to feel a connection with you gals ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
I told you not to get cocky...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:50 pmSince the very first thread where Jason first posted, I guess, he has these flirty comments towards some posters which I think are women.
Comment by Juan C
Hi Juan, In Jason’s defense (just this once, Jason, don’t get cocky), he was joking. But, of course, Jason has to ruin it with the silly “Eva Peron†crack.
Comment by Zooey — July 30, 2006 @ 9:41 pm
i'm not positive which "once" you refer to, zooey...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:50 pmbut juan is so right on with noticing the "flirty comments"...
it's a fact... very chauvenistic... imagine that...
Jason M. Hendler
"I am really starting to feel a connection with you gals …."
U cracking me up Jason. After that much of conversing?
What it, man. They are dangerous.
"What’s wrong with rich and young?"
Or, What's wrong with young but poor?
July 30th, 2006 at 9:50 pmIt is a parody of the times. The 70’s is when women first started entering the workforce, and they built a comedy around that conflict …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
July 30th, 2006 at 9:50 pmYes, and the 4 lead men HARASS the shit out of the woman.
It's gross, and juvenile. They keep trying to Suppress her!
GOD, will you EVER get it????????
#434, Zoo...
Dang, that's cold ...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:50 pm#438, true,
How did it end? He jumped into the bear pit to save her, and they lived happily ever after? Not caveman enough?
July 30th, 2006 at 9:52 pmHello, I miss our discussions, you have a good perspective on a part of the world with which I am not as familiar.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 9:47 pm
Jason, we just had one, but it was a good one, I guess. WE both share the ME bachelor degree and I am just finishing the Master´s degree on thermofluids. When I entered the University I wanted to make robots, but when I took the first electronic class I knew it was not for me, so in that sense, I admire you. The only reference I have about the electronic telecommunication field in my university is Neri Vela, which happens to be the only mexican astronaut. And, that russians were really developed in that area.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:53 pmHello, Zoo, true, katy and prog.
And Jason, hello to you, also.
Comment by Juan C
Hi Juan,
Nice to see you! It's 10:00pm here, and I'm a big weenie, so I don't know how long I'll be here!
But I'll enjoy your company while I can......
July 30th, 2006 at 9:54 pm#441, Juan,
Actually, fluid calculations have a more comlex kernal than electro-magnetic calculations, so my hat is off to you. I loved doing fluid calcs. Spreadsheets had first come out (Lotus 1-2-3), so you could set up crude FEA configs in the cells with boundary conditions, enter starting values, then hit recalc until the figures converged. Good stuff.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:56 pmThermofluids, Juan?
July 30th, 2006 at 9:56 pmWhat is that?
Usually I am hoping for the three Cs (Cash, Cadillac & Cancer), but not this time.
:-D
Comment by Zooey — July 30, 2006 @ 9:47 pm
Ha ha ha. Wow, give men a chance. We are not all Anchorman fans.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:56 pmi’m not positive which “once†you refer to, zooey…
Comment by katy
The "once" was the one time I was going to defend Jason. ;)
Dang, that’s cold …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Surely I don't have to tell you that was a JOKE!? Yes, I'll stop calling you Shirley...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:57 pmoh lord... science-y stuff... :-)
July 30th, 2006 at 9:57 pmdog wants to walk... later... have fun!
OKAY,
Best line in Anchorman:
They've done studies, you know ... 60% of the time ... it works .... every time.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:00 pmThe “once†was the one time I was going to defend Jason. ;)
Comment by Zooey — July 30, 2006 @ 9:57 pm
i actually got that as soon as i posted... what i meant was
July 30th, 2006 at 10:01 pm"which time was he joking?" i never got that...
C'mon, Katy,
July 30th, 2006 at 10:02 pmDo what I do: put the mangy mutts on a run out in the backyard!!!!
(Well, actually they are beagles, but I do DESPISE taking them for walks. Constant sniffing and tugging to said odor...!)
Ha ha ha. Wow, give men a chance. We are not all Anchorman fans.
Comment by Juan C
I know, Juan, most of the men I meet are real sweeties. ;)
July 30th, 2006 at 10:02 pmJason,
July 30th, 2006 at 10:03 pmThat's referring to the "Sex Panther" cologne.
STUPID!
Thermofluids, Juan?
What is that?
Comment by trueblue — July 30, 2006 @ 9:56 pm
Basically, it is thermodynamics, heat transfer and fluid mechanics. The Master is focused towards research and teaching. Which is good. Also, I read you were a chemist? I really admire you, also. Very complex for me.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:03 pm#452, true,
If you had only set through the board meetings I have, with PHD's making statements like "the average isn't statistically significant", and so forth, you would laugh at those kinds of statements too.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:05 pm#449 - katy, sorry, I misunderstood. It was here:
#403, Zoo,
Sounds like true dug up pics of me and sent them to you …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — July 30, 2006 @ 9:22 pm
:P
July 30th, 2006 at 10:06 pmNot a chemist, Juan.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:08 pmGenetics.
NBD. Once you have the protocol in place, it's like baking a cake, really....
(Plus, I've moved on to Physical Therapy.)
Your field sounds interesting...
# 443. Jason...not really, I guess. Thermodynamics is basic math. The tricky things are heat transfer and fluid mechanics, non-linear, partial, differential equations. Fortunately, we have mathematicians working on them and we just have to learn the last part of the proceedure. However, I have never understood, Maxwell´s laws (which, were not formulated by him).
July 30th, 2006 at 10:08 pm#453, Juan,
Yeah, that is a huge chunk of complexity you've tackled. My eyes still glaze over thinking about the theta j discussions when I was training on a fluid modeling software. Hard to chew, tougher to swallow ...
July 30th, 2006 at 10:08 pmNot a chemist, Juan.
Genetics.
(Plus, I’ve moved on to Physical Therapy.)
Comment by trueblue — July 30, 2006 @ 10:08 pm
And you have time to blog? You must be a genius. :)
July 30th, 2006 at 10:10 pmwell, she just laid down so i have another minute...
yea true - i even have a line out there... but this is good for both of us... i started walking her at night to make sure she empties out for the long night and to wear her down for a good sleep... it was something i started when i first adopted her, just keep it up... she knows when it's time - and i know how I am! :-)
your beagles would be a job, i know... this little shitzu has a good nose, but not as aggressive... she just likes to walk... and stop... and walk...
July 30th, 2006 at 10:11 pmgotta go now...
#456, true,
What part of physics. Had long debate with poster on another sight about relativity theory, that we finally had to settle by contacting NASA. Other poster was stuck on 18th century wave theory, and wouldn't accept arguements based on 20th century quantum mechanics ...
#457,
Juan, Maxwells equations are dirt simple, derived from basic physics. Fluids and thermo-dynamics are more empirical, with many coefficients acquired through painstaking measurements.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:12 pm#460, katy,
Beagles are awesome. I grew up with them. Only problem is that they bark too much. Otherwise, they have a good disposition and are fun to play with.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:13 pmHave to go, folks. I enjoyed a lot these few minutes. True (The next Watson & Crick...), Jason, Zoo ( I really enjoy your Harvey Pekar humor, you kill me), and Katy.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:15 pm1jew,
are you the same person that used to post as mad jew?
if not, then what's your agenda? what are your thoughts on mr. zakaria's statements?
having gone forward and read your posts you reference here earlier, i see now you are a reactionary who wants to equate thinkprogress with pravda. makes me wonder if you actually ever heard of some publications in the early days of our country, namely the federalist and the anti-federalist.
a forum for ideas contrary to yours is, in actuality, a reinforcement of the freedoms of this country, not whatever your strange concept may be. what you are saying is, essentially, "i don't like what you're saying here, you're communists and you want to subvert our minds to your will"
sorry you're so weak-minded.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:15 pmNight all, going to sign out too....
July 30th, 2006 at 10:16 pmOh and Progressaurus Rex, too! Later..
July 30th, 2006 at 10:18 pmAnd you have time to blog? You must be a genius. :)
Comment by Juan C
Hmmmm. Juan? Have you met my friend, trueblue? She's a genius and a total softy. Trueblue? Meet Juan. He's really smart in a scientific sort of way, and I bet he has a lovely accent.
Take it away, you two...
July 30th, 2006 at 10:18 pmJuan C-
Ah, c'mon..... flattery will get you everywhere!!!
(Now if THAT's not flirty I don't know what is! Wasn't that a Mae West quote?)
Anyway, I left MIT a while ago. Physical Therapy was always my first love. It's fun to see DNA grow on a plate, the first couple dozen or so times... it's far more rewarding to see a person walk after a stroke.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:18 pmyep, see y'all later. it's only noon where i am.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:18 pmZooey,
July 30th, 2006 at 10:21 pmI wrote my last comment without seeing YOUR last comment!
That is SO funny!
You are a riot!
MiniBlue asked if you and Unbelievable ever get to Cape Cod... clearly she'd love to meet you both!
I really enjoy your Harvey Pekar humor, you kill me...
Comment by Juan C
Oh my god, that's the finest compliment, EVER! American Splendor - Cool, cool, cool! Thanks, Juan!
July 30th, 2006 at 10:22 pm#470 - trueblue,
All I can do is introduce you to the fine ones, you gotta take it from there. :)
If I ever get to Cape Cod, I'll look you up, if you're not underwater, of course...
And if things go further than blushing to the navel, I'll let you know that, too. :D
Goodnight, all. It's been fun.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:27 pmZoo: anytime. :)
July 30th, 2006 at 10:29 pmTrue: MIT? and now helping people? Ok...what can I say? I am a human being. Ha ha ha.
Intimidating background, true.
AND, THIS IS NOT FLIRTY, ZOO. :)
It isn't, really. Just luck.
We can talk later, Juan!
Zooey, you are TOO much!!!!!!
July 30th, 2006 at 10:31 pmAND, THIS IS NOT FLIRTY, ZOO. :)
Comment by Juan C
Is too! Talk to trueblue! I'm really going now...go ahead...
July 30th, 2006 at 10:33 pmDon't we need a chaperone, Zooey?
At least for the first couple of dates?
July 30th, 2006 at 10:35 pmhey, i'm back... glad to oblige...
July 30th, 2006 at 10:40 pmno excuses now, true...
Damn that Zooey!!!! ;-)
Hey Juan, are you still around?
July 30th, 2006 at 10:41 pmzooey - american splendor... that was such a good movie...
July 30th, 2006 at 10:45 pmi just happened on it one day... i've always been a robert crumb fan also... which is why i thougt to watch that movie... he tied in somehow... giamatti was great... i never read the comic books though...
… it’s far more rewarding to see a person walk after a stroke.
Comment by trueblue — July 30, 2006 @ 10:18 pm
that is such a fine attitude... you'll have a place in heaven, you know...
July 30th, 2006 at 10:47 pmJust thought I'd check in one more time, and it looks like we have scared off Juan. Too bad, he's nice. But not to worry, trueblue (grasshopper), the seed has been planted...
July 30th, 2006 at 10:54 pmPlease don't make me cry, Katy.
I always wanted to be a PT.
July 30th, 2006 at 10:58 pmMy Nana had a stroke when I was 14.
My burning desire was for her to walk again. (Didn't happen)
The MIT gig was really a stepping stone for me, to get to Phys. Ther school without so much of the financial burden.
As for the dogs, my 2 beagles are usually pretty silent. Unusual for beagles. Sherlock (a great name thought up by miniblue) and Baxter (we thought of Watson, but he always had this "punkish" way about him that screamed out "Baxter". Like Seinfeld saying, "Hello, BAXTER!")
yup... guess we sceered the younguns away...
time to shut 'er down, i s'pose...
say g'nite all...
July 30th, 2006 at 10:59 pmkaty,
Zoo Sr introduced me to American Splendor, the graphic novels, and later to the movie. Having Juan say he likes my "Harvey Pekar humor," is such a big compliment to me. I loved Paul Giamatti in that role. I try to see all of his movies now. He was fantastic in Sideways.
trueblue does have a place in heaven, but she'll probably opt to come down to hell to be with us. :)
I really, really am going this time. Goodnight!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:00 pmtrueblue does have a place in heaven, but she’ll probably opt to come down to hell to be with us. :)
Comment by Zooey
Damn straight! That's where the party is!!!!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:02 pmoh! well, ok... i'm good for a few more...
you had a nana too, blue?!
and zoo - i KNOW i'm not goin' to hell, and i doubt you are...
here's how i see it - people like hitler and jeffrey dahmer are in hell... and buch&co are goin' there...
so, there's NO way i'm gonna be even CLOSE to those folks!
but, the party would be hard to miss ... maybe there are 2 levels?
ok ... g'nite, ladies!
and good nite, juan ;-)
July 30th, 2006 at 11:11 pm( you just know he's lurking, shy thing )
G-night, Katy!
(and stop picking on poor Juan! )
This is the latest I've been up and at TP in quite a while!
I've had a fun time talking with everyone.
Have a great night.
July 30th, 2006 at 11:15 pmoh my god ,I'm in a singles bar , wow is this where the discussion of the war of the sexes ended up ? REMARKABLE !!!!
July 30th, 2006 at 11:55 pmJason..in order to be a comedian--your self described 2nd choice for a living---you have to be FUNNY....
sorry dude....stick to engineering...
July 31st, 2006 at 12:13 amdon juan would make a good chaperon, make love not war
July 31st, 2006 at 12:13 am[...] I was away this past weekend and rather purposefully disconnected from the news. I re-enter the wired world tonight only with fear and trembling. The political short-sightedness, the pure ideological blindness, the staggering ineptitude of this administration is truly breathtaking. [...]
July 31st, 2006 at 12:22 amIf any are holding out for "big changes" if the Democrats take back the House, I'd suggest you look at the vote to allow Israel to continue Genocide in Lebanon:
408-8.
That says about all you need to know about "change" coming by voting for the "opposition" party.
Ain't no such creature.
Vote for ANONE not a republican or Democrat.
Or live with the same ol' same ol' twilight zone unreality.
July 31st, 2006 at 12:34 amZakaria is right ... Rumsfeld is in a parallel universe ... he thinks himself glib and therefore, he is. All the cowardly generals in the Pentagon laugh and titter at his comments ... they are gutless ... cowards ... they know darned well that the "plan" for securing Baghdad has fallen apart. It was all supposed to be oh so much better with Zarkawi dead ... but then, so it was when the "thugs" and then "dead enders" and "foreign fighters" and "al Qaedists" and "ex-Baathists" and now we will eradicate "death squads" when, in fact, as soon as Negroponte became DCI, talk surfaced about how HE'D been the ambassador to El Salavador when Salvadoran Death Squads were operative.
July 31st, 2006 at 12:47 amA tactical tidbit:
The garbage in Baghdad has been allowed to pile up because the insurgents began planting IEDs under it. When a garbage collector messed with it, he was killed, or warned he'd be killed ... so the garbage isn't collected ... one garbage worker a day killed ... it's being burned ... but by now ... they'll be plenty of Sunnis and Shi'as alike who will NOT bother to tell those GIS that IEDs have been planted under the garbage.
Those Strykers of the 172d Stryker Brigade are not made to withstand super powerful shaped charged IEDs. If the U.S. continues to back Israel in it's slaughter of Shi'a Muslims in Lebanon ... those boys of the ill fated 172d ... very pissed off and very tense and anxious now that they survived their one year tour and have now been extended four months (as if that will be enough), are gonna be very trigger happy in Baghdad.
Baghdad has become the belly of the beast, anad I doubt many Americans have even seen it this bad.
It would not surprise me if we begin to also see Hizbullah rockets begin blasting the Green Zone if the U.S. messes with Moqtada al Sadr's forces in town. There are all kinds of ways Iran, if it is really tweaking the springs here ... can blast the living crap out of the U.S. if they do not lean heavier on Israel.
Israel's reaction to the Hizbullah provocation has been disproportionate in a scale seldom seen before.
The Quana attack was inevitable.
Precision guided munitions are not necessarily THAT precise.
The Shi'a allegedly attacked are being blamed for not leaving.
This is similiar to how the African-Americans and poor whites of New Orlenas were blamed for not leaving ahead of Katrina.
It assumes that they all have ways OUT of Quana when: convoys are blown up day and night ... how can they be assured safety? The roads and bridges are totally destroyed; the roads, even if cleared, are FULL OF SHRAPNEL AND JUNK THAT WILL PUNCTURE TIRES IN A MINUTE. How many spares do YOU carry around? How many of these poor people can afford $1000 U.S.D.s to get out of Quana to say, Beirut? Syria?
Finally, yes, Hizbullah had best hold their fire. This is their chance to invoke their own truce for 48 hours. I hope they do.
The Quana attack will either inhibit Israeli fighter pilots ... or, the opposite ... make them even more vengeful and want to blow up more stuff.
The images seen in Arabic and Muslim countries are more graphic (go look for yourself). The Arab world sees the real picture. They KNOW that "precision guided munitions" are produced by the U.S. of A. Thank you America, for standing behind Israel, unresservedly.
Some Israeli apparently said today on an American talk show that Israel was doing the dirty work for all the world's countries who want terrorism stamped out.
As if killing 5 or 10 or even 20,000 Hizbullahs now will stop that movement.
Nope. Hizbullah had best call their own truce.
And we should stomp hard on everyone to stretch it out.
Israel cannot in the final analysis, ever make themselves safe from rockets and missiles until they begin disdmantling setttlements on the West Bank and Gaza and puling them out and handing that land back to the Palestinians. Return to the lines as of 1978 and accept that Israel will be much smaller, more densely packed. The imperialistic effort to take over the West Bank and Gaza will be fought for 100 years. Do WE really want to be part of that, when Global Warming is the REAL war we should address?
And yes, fire Rumsfeld. He's over the edge.
Almost 500 posts on this thread > wow, but most are NOT about Rumsfeld the deranged fool! He is too boring for any real discussion > lol.
July 31st, 2006 at 12:49 amyes, most of these threads have lost all significance. same old trolls spewing the same old nonsensical garbage, cluttering up the posts and throwing the discussion way off track.
oh and i'm just here for filler until we get to 500.
July 31st, 2006 at 12:57 ami'm tired... let's get this puppy to 500 so i can get to bed!
July 31st, 2006 at 1:00 amHere is my contribution ;-)
July 31st, 2006 at 1:01 amthat was good commentary, jerry...
i must say...
and rex - you keep yourself scarce...
July 31st, 2006 at 1:02 amenjoy your thoughts too...
rumsfeld is irrelevant anyway. he's doing the same thing he did in '75 when he claimed -- without any proof -- that the soviets were disregarding the abm treaty that nixon signed. we know now that he was lying. the truth was that at that time the soviet union was already falling apart. funny, the cia knew then, but as normal, the neoconservatives don't believe the cia.
in 1991 cheney claimed there were "thousands of troops" and a large tank force on the saudi border, ready to invade from iraq (this was our pretext for the 1st gulf war, and the building of our then "coalition", not the kuwait invasion). this was supposedly from our own satellite photos of the area on the border. soviet photos of the same area, however, showed nothing. after the fact, we now know, again, that cheney was lying.
these guys are serial liars. they have been enabled repeatedly, despite consistently being proven wrong. and yet for some reason people still listen to them.
WE NEED TO DISCREDIT THESE LYING JACKASSES ONCE AND FOR ALL.
July 31st, 2006 at 1:08 amI'M IN AT 500
July 31st, 2006 at 1:09 amYAY!!!
hey, rex, i went over to your site to kill some time -
July 31st, 2006 at 1:11 amit couldn't be me to get to 500 - anyway, seems time
has stopped for you ;-)
I am post 501 hopefully?
July 31st, 2006 at 1:12 amA brief message to the Johnny-One-Note who keeps mentioning it: Bill Clinton's (unsuccessful)
impeachment
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Since you enjoy writing vertically, I'll join you. The impeachment failed. The mad villagers with
July 31st, 2006 at 1:22 amtheir torches ran and ran after Clinton, but they never got him. He went out with approval
ratings in the around 62%, where they had been all through the (unsuccessful) impeachment
hearings. And the stock market was higher than it is now. And we had a huge surplus.
yes, katy, time has stopped - i'm prepping for a move back to the usa in october. keeps me too busy to make any actual blog entries (heh, this is me, at work)...
July 31st, 2006 at 1:26 amComment by Robert Wellman — July 31, 2006 @ 1:22 am
And we had no war.
July 31st, 2006 at 1:29 amComment by Progressaurus Rex — July 31, 2006 @ 1:26 am
well, depending on the destination, and the week, october is a beautiful season in the states...
i am always ambivalent about the fall - glad for the relief from the heat, the clean cool air, the georgious fall colors... but know that too soon everything will be brown and bare... i leave my garden to fall down naturally so i can enjoy even the different shades of brown - it's amazing how many there are, with texture considered...
this rambling is and indication of how badly i need to get to sleep...
g'nite... for sure now...
think peace.
July 31st, 2006 at 1:36 am#17
Is it just me or does this guy who calls himself “One Jew†actually believe anyone cares about his site spamming, “please look at me†monologues, that I keep running into on multiple threads? One Jew, get a clue and put on a helmet when you ride the short bus.
July 31st, 2006 at 2:28 amDon't know if anyone added these truths to the argument since i didn't read all 500+ comments-----but am I the only one that remembers Perot dropping out of the 1992 race and endorsing CLINTON and the total of all the polls showing CLINTON with a 20% or more lead over GHWB when it was a two-man race ???
July 31st, 2006 at 3:22 amThen Perot rejoined the race before the Nov elections. Given what these polls showed, Perot's endorsement, and the fact that Perot was to the left of CLINTON on his major issues (like NAFTA & GATT)---how can people (Limbaugh countless times) be ignorant enough to claim that ALL of Perot's voters would have preferred GHWB in a two-man race.
The Republicans did far worse in 1996. Yes, CLINTON only got 49%, Dole 41%, and Perot 8%---but if you give every last Perot vote to Dole (absurd for reasons given above), CLINTON still wins by 119,000. Do you think the Greens and Socialists would prefer Dole?
In 2000, it was GORE 49%, Bush 48%, and Nader (considered communistic by Republicans) 3%. Exit polls in Florida said Gore won the state by over 300,000 votes. Exit polls are correct within 0.2%. The US Supreme Court does not have jurisdiction over Florida elections---even for president---the Florida Supreme Court does.
Exit polls (correct within 0.2%) said Kerry won in 2004 by over three million votes. Republican voting machines (we are not allowed to see how they operate) said Bush won. People in the Ukraine would not stand for this.
You cannot impeach the president for something that has nothing to do with the office (power, authority, action) of the presidency. You cannot impeach him because you think he did not tell the truth about his sex life. He was found not guilty of lying because--using the prosecuters' definition of sexual relations--there was no evidence he had sexual relations with Monica. There was no sexual assault on Paula Jones. I have never seen a worse actress in all my life. Her friends and family said she was thrilled that Clinton had showed her a bit of attention.
Eisenhower had an affair with his chauffer (female). JFK had many. GHWB had an affair with a DC secretary named Jennifer. Laura Bush killed her ex-boyfriend by running a stop sign. She didn't even get points on her license.
One last thing: If you give Nixon Illinois in 1960---Kennedy still wins !! Try adding up the electoral votes some time.
[...] Think Progress notes that Zakaria was likely referencing Rumsfeld’s “glib” remarks last week: SEC. RUMSFELD: Oh, I don’t know. You know, I thought about that last night, and just musing over the words, the phrase, and what constitutes it. If you think of our Civil War, this is really very different. If you think of civil wars in other countries, this is really quite different. There is - there is a good deal of violence in Baghdad and two or three other provinces, and yet in 14 other provinces there’s very little violence or numbers of incidents. So it’s a - it’s a highly concentrated thing. It clearly is being stimulated by people who would like to have what could be characterized as a civil war and win it, but I’m not going to be the one to decide if, when or at all. And these people are running this country. Oh, brother! [...]
July 31st, 2006 at 7:06 amMust get in front of the conservative base somehow. They do see that stuff. You may wonder at the continual support, even at 35%. It is because they don't see the same clips and news stories that the majority see. They are (largely) not 'stupid' but rather simply ignorant. I wonder how to get these stories aimed at and available to their base? The above needs no snarky comments, it just needs to be seen along with images of desperate peril that our young poeple in Iraq are under and the peril that the average good person in Iraq is under. Show some psycho comments from Muslim fundementalists (there are plenty!) if you want to be fair and balanced but this guy is our responsibility and Rummy drifted out of the rhelm of the sane, some time ago . . . around the 70's IMHO.
July 31st, 2006 at 7:14 amAbout replying to Trolls: You can't argue with a crazy person without appearing crazy yourself. SMART Trolls merely seek to cause so many additional comments to a thread (there's and all the replies) that constructive argument is obfuscated. A quick "I can see why you'd want to change the subjecto to 'Clinton.' but we're talking about Rummy, if you must reply!!!
July 31st, 2006 at 7:19 amMaybe he is just acting his age?
July 31st, 2006 at 8:19 amThere is no reason why the Dems or anyone should have to come in and clean up this crap. Let's institute a 95% tax rate on anyone who voted Republican and we'll have the debt paid off in no time and when you see a homeless person, you can assume they're a Republican suffering from taxes so be sure to spit on them.
July 31st, 2006 at 9:45 amSince Rove has never commented on the "corrosive" effects of comments by Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilley, Sean Hannity, Bill Bennett, Rush Limbaugh, and others, I assume he only believes that uncomplimentary remarks directed toward the administration can meet the "corrosive" test. Where is Rove when Democrats are being castigated as treasonous liberals? No administration in U.S. history has been associated with so many failures and miscalcuations, and Rumsfeld is complicit in many of them. It's time that people of Zacharia's stature, like Cronkite in 1968, begin to speak unvarnished truth to power.
July 31st, 2006 at 10:49 amplunger - thank you for that. Just more fuel for the fire (in my head that is). So what I get from this whole thing - is who really killed Daniel Pearl? I have a pretty sure idea that I KNOW. and what's sad...it wouldn't really suprise me.
July 31st, 2006 at 10:57 amI dare the Dems to do just that. I'm not getting too excited about it actually happening.
July 31st, 2006 at 1:38 pmDo you think Bush will leave the White House voluntarily on January 20, 2009, or will he invoke his so-called "presidential war-time powers" and try to remain in place?
July 31st, 2006 at 1:49 pm#376 - " 'By the way, trueblue used to work for MIT on the Human Genome Project. She is far more qualified than you to know the genetic origins of human life.'
Thanks Unbelievable! I feel so important now! " - Comment by trueblue
******Noam "I hate EVERYTHING about America" Chomsky is at MIT, too - so what? Remember, those who continually tell us how smart AND advanced they are - aren't. Or as Golda Meir once said, "Don't be humble. You aren't that great."
July 31st, 2006 at 3:18 pm[...] Newsweek Editor Zakaria: “Donald Rumsfeld seems literally in a parallel universe and slightly deranged…” [...]
July 31st, 2006 at 3:58 pm"This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error. ... Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you should sit down, take a stress pill, and think things over. ... I still have the greatest enthusiasm for the mission. ... My mind is going, Dave. I can feel it, I can feel it, I can feel it. I'm afraid, Dave. Stop, Dave. Please stop, Dave. Will you stop, Dave. I'm afraid."
-- HAL 9000 Computer, from "2001, A Space Odyssey," with the voice of Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. (not Dick Chaney)
July 31st, 2006 at 4:16 pmIt's odd, that after 230 years, we should be thinking that we'll have to rebel against another "King" George!
July 31st, 2006 at 4:19 pmThe more I see of Condi's face in the news the more I realize that she is spawn of "Chucky". It took a while for this to settle in, but, now I'm convinced. The leaders of the evangelicals are spawn of the devil. The actions clearly show that their god is a war loving god, a god who seeks division and death over peace.
July 31st, 2006 at 4:43 pmHendler, as a guy: YOU ARE AN IDIOT. You give men a bad name.
July 31st, 2006 at 4:53 pm#527 - Citizen J,
July 31st, 2006 at 5:16 pmYou're modest, it's humankind.
Actually, Citizen J, Hendler is a MAN...I know it's difficult to say that with so many the "fem/men" metrosexuals hanging here....
July 31st, 2006 at 5:17 pmNoam “I hate EVERYTHING about America†Chomsky is at MIT, too - so what?
But you aren't. Sounds a lot like jealousy. As usual.
Remember, those who continually tell us how smart AND advanced they are - aren’t.
It was me telling how smart trueblue is. She didn't brag about herself, so your catty remark is not only invalid, but validates your jealousy that your're not that smart.
Or as Golda Meir once said, “Don’t be humble. You aren’t that great.â€
Comment by mighty aphrodite — July 31, 2006 @ 3:18 pm
I think she was speaking of people like you. It's why you're always bashing others who have achieved things in life.
You can't even achieve ignoring me...
July 31st, 2006 at 7:49 pmRummy's analogy to our Civil War is not apt. Although it's true that the Civil War "was fought in 10,000 places," as Ken Burns said, most of the fighting took place in Virginia. So even if Rummy is right that the "incidents" are only happening in two or three provinces, it's still a civil war. He knows not whereof he speaks.
August 1st, 2006 at 11:14 amIf you put yourself in their shoes, (Rumsfeld, Cheney, et al), with their PNAC delusions of grandure, their attitudes are not surprising. They have gone so long without being second-guessed or held accountable, that they assume their plan is on track. It'll just be a few more short months before the marshall law is instituted and all of the dessenters are locked up so they can TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!!!
August 2nd, 2006 at 5:05 pm[...] I find it odd that the first thing he says is in defense of the trip (in response to Massa’s calling a “waste of taxpayer money”, I guess). Also: isn’t it time for the Republicans in Congress to start showing leadership? They know as well you or I that Rumsfeld is, as one pro-war pundit put it, “slightly deranged.” There’s no possible way people like Randy Kuhl believe that things are going well in Iraq or that Rumsfeld has a plan. None. I refuse to believe that Kuhl is that gullible or that stupid. What’s the point of going on trips like this if even seeing things up close won’t persuade lawmakers to speak the truth? [...]
August 3rd, 2006 at 10:26 pmThere seems to be a consensus that we will never get Rummy, or Dubyah into a nuthouse. However, once safely inside, I don't think many would ever seriously consider letting them out.
August 4th, 2006 at 5:15 pmAfter reading the posts on this site for several months there seems to be some consistency as to the feelings of the “bloggersâ€........let me summarize......because somewhere in my following list you (yes, you the wacko “progressiveâ€) will find an answer to ALL of the problems that America faces today….or at least the person/persons that are responsible for such a miserable existence that we must trudge through in America…..America the damned!!! Each of the items below are just a snippet of what “think progress†stands for….so…in your words….
Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate…
Fox News is Hitler’s SS version of propaganda...
The Democrats are waayyy too conservative and right-leaning....
The Republicans (gulp...I said the word Republicans) work for the Devil...
Lieberman is a Bush crony that never accomplished anything for the state of Connecticut…
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
The War in Iraq was certainly for the oil and making rich people richer!!!
Halliburton? Planning the war(s) for years before 9/11…
9/11? Bush not only knew exactly what/where/when/how…..he helped to plan it…..
9/11? The towers were not taken down by airplanes…American C-4 explosives were strategically placed to “take ‘em downâ€â€¦.
Bush planted the C4…along with the help of Cheney and Rumsfield…
The War in Iraq was certainly a follow-up to papa Bush….and his “failure†in removing Saddam…..
Terrorism is not that big of a deal…it should be monitored and controlled by our police agencies….not the government….
OBL is not that bad....hell, America created him!!
Saddam is not the bad...hell, America created him!!
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not that bad….he does not want nukes for weapons…its all about the fuel baby!!!
Problems in the Middle East...Americas fault...
Darfur? Bush and Cheney are not fully responsible for the genocide---but at least 78%....
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Try to resolve the problems in the Middle East??---Why does America feel it should stick its nose in others business...
Israel...America’s puppet....
Israel is the cause of most of the problems in the Middle East….Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization---they were “elected†into a position of power in a democratic government!!!
America did the worse job of evacuating its citizens from Lebanon…Denmark did the best…Denmark is #1!!! Denmark is #1!!!….
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
American flags are made for one purpose….to burn!!!!!!!!
The primary run off in Ct proves that the American people want an immediate withdrawal from Iraq….
AIDS in Africa killing scores? Bush’s Fault….well, maybe 82% responsible…
Socialism #1…Communism #2….Dictatorship #3…Democracy #4…as ranked by the bloggers on “Think Progress†as best form of govt….
Global Warming is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......
The short-comings of American schools...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......
The short-comings of Health-care....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......
Oil?....ever since man has been able to process it into a usable fuel....all the problems have been.....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......
Wal-mart=Capitalism=Bush cronies=Conservatives=devil
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Mexican Immigration problem? No problemo…
Katrina?....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......not the response---the actual cause of the hurricane...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive
Katrina…response to it?....Bush hates blacks.....it’s that simple......did I mention Bush hates Mexicans, Canadians, French, Italians, Spaniards, Russians, Irish, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Aussies, Swedes, New Zealanders, anybody that might be of south American persuasion, anybody that might be a mix bred, anybody from Africa-even if they “look†white, and of course…all Muslims….
Did I mention that according to this site that Bush hates gays? And wants them dead?
The economy----the worse it’s been in the history of America----....is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......
International relations? well---before Bush we were loved from china to south America...but now---America is hated all around the world and we need to kowtow to the Europeans and Islam so they like us…..we want other people to like us…we really want other people to like us………please like us…..please?
Homeless problem in a city/town near you?...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…
Abortion is good (million+ innocents a year)…Death penalty is Bad (handful of convicted criminals a year)….
(Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Lines at the super-market….. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…
Howard Stern being fined for foul behavior/language…. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive….
Katrina “evacuees†in Houston or other cities committing hideous crimes?... a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
Christian groups are bigots and things such as “faith day†(at a ball park after the game) are nothing more than the radical rights attempt at “christian-izing†us….
America’s military is weak and the Draft is right around the corner…
“God†should not be in the Pledge….
“God†should not be on our currency…
“God†should not be……….
Cindy Sheehan should not be questioned nor debated…..her son died for her right to hang out in Crawford dam it!!!
America went to war unprepared….look at the hummers!! They have absolutely no armor….and its Bush’s fault…
Democrats and Republicans are all the same…evil…out for themselves…slave-masters (its in their family history)…sex addicts…and of course out to kill Americans in a fake war that was based on purposely fraudulent intelligence…
The (mass) media is covering up everything!!!
Good policing and investigative work is called---racial profiling!!!
“Minimum Wage should be at least $18.00 a hourâ€
“Progressive†reporters get kick out of all the neo-cons news briefings…
“My phones have been taped because I went to an anti-war rally!â€
“My cable has been on the blink and my phone has been making weird noises since I went to a anti-war Rallyâ€
Anybody that makes money and lives a successful life MUST be doing something that hurts the poor or crippled….
Taxes and more taxes are good for the economy…tax cuts/breaks only help the millionaires…
SUV’s were created by conservatives that wanted to help out their “oil buddiesâ€â€¦
People should not be expected to take care of themselves!!! That’s the role of government…
People should not be able to invest their social security account as they wish!! That’s the role of the government…
If I forgot a topic or an issue please just fill it in with the following…
“BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA..BUSH IS THE DEVIL BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…REPUBLICANS ARE THE DEVIL… WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA…AMERICA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD…-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…â€
IN CONLUSION::::::
I have posted this because it addresses nearly all the issues that “think progress†and its bloggers believe/state/dream about….in other words, this post can be placed on any of your blogs and it will make sense……thanks “think progress†bloggers for making this so easy….if you think my post is foolish….please remember---these are your words (with some editing liberties taken…oh I forgot---I should not mention anything about taking liberties)….dam America!!!
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