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	<title>Comments on: Hagel: The Iraq War Is &#8216;An Absolute Replay Of Vietnam&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Reagan Attacks Hagel&#8217;s Anti-War Stance :: SOTUblog</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/31/hagel-vietnam/comment-page-3/#comment-1435151</link>
		<dc:creator>Reagan Attacks Hagel&#8217;s Anti-War Stance :: SOTUblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stated that Iraq was &#8220;an absolute replay of Vietnam.&#8221; [Think Progress, 7/31/06] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stated that Iraq was &#8220;an absolute replay of Vietnam.&#8221; [Think Progress, 7/31/06] [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1435151', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jazz Radio Stations In Southern California</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/31/hagel-vietnam/comment-page-3/#comment-1128889</link>
		<dc:creator>Jazz Radio Stations In Southern California</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dave...&lt;/strong&gt;

Interesting topic... I&#039;m working in this industry myself and I don&#039;t agree about this in 100%, but I added your page to my bookmarks and hope to see more interesting articles in the future...</description>
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<p>Interesting topic&#8230; I&#8217;m working in this industry myself and I don&#8217;t agree about this in 100%, but I added your page to my bookmarks and hope to see more interesting articles in the future&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1128889', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Hill Blog&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Enough Is Enough</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hill Blog&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Enough Is Enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Today, more than 2800 U.S. soldiers have been killed in Iraq, almost exactly the same as the number of people who died in the 9/11 attacks. More than 20,000 are wounded, many of them with life-altering injuries which will require a lifetime of care, care George Bush and our Republican-led Congress seem reluctant to provide. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel has likened Iraq to Vietnam, and declared that the occupation is &#8220;destroying the United States Army&#8221;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Today, more than 2800 U.S. soldiers have been killed in Iraq, almost exactly the same as the number of people who died in the 9/11 attacks. More than 20,000 are wounded, many of them with life-altering injuries which will require a lifetime of care, care George Bush and our Republican-led Congress seem reluctant to provide. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel has likened Iraq to Vietnam, and declared that the occupation is &#8220;destroying the United States Army&#8221;. [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1060114', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Deny My Freedom &#187; Chuck Hagel: nothing more than your typical Republican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deny My Freedom &#187; Chuck Hagel: nothing more than your typical Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There&#8217;s been quite a bit of buzz in the media lately due to a rarity: a congressional Republican has been openly criticizing the Bush administration on a number of issues as of late. Chuck Hagel, a Republican senator from Nebraska, has been at odds with his party over various foreign policy-related issues. A few weeks ago, he criticized the Bush administration&#8217;s handling of the Mideast conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. Then he went and compared Iraq to Vietnam, something that&#8217;s not too popular an opinion with the right wing. Today, he comes out and says that the GOP has lost itself:  Republicans have lost their way when it comes to many core GOP principles and may be in jeopardy heading into the fall elections, Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. says. Hagel, a possible presidential candidate in 2008, said Sunday that the GOP today is very different party from the one when he first voted Republican. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There&#8217;s been quite a bit of buzz in the media lately due to a rarity: a congressional Republican has been openly criticizing the Bush administration on a number of issues as of late. Chuck Hagel, a Republican senator from Nebraska, has been at odds with his party over various foreign policy-related issues. A few weeks ago, he criticized the Bush administration&#8217;s handling of the Mideast conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. Then he went and compared Iraq to Vietnam, something that&#8217;s not too popular an opinion with the right wing. Today, he comes out and says that the GOP has lost itself:  Republicans have lost their way when it comes to many core GOP principles and may be in jeopardy heading into the fall elections, Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. says. Hagel, a possible presidential candidate in 2008, said Sunday that the GOP today is very different party from the one when he first voted Republican. [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=742793', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: One Jew</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;To the Memory of my fellow American, compatriot and the Soldier of Freedom&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Michael Levin, 22, &lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&quot;... moved to Israel three years ago from Pennsylvania and enlisted in the paratroopers, Israeli media reported. Levin cut short a visit to his family four days ago and returned to his unit.&quot; 

By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer 
&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Peace for Israel&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>To the Memory of my fellow American, compatriot and the Soldier of Freedom</strong></p>
<p><strong>Michael Levin, 22, </strong></p>
<p><em>&#8220;&#8230; moved to Israel three years ago from Pennsylvania and enlisted in the paratroopers, Israeli media reported. Levin cut short a visit to his family four days ago and returned to his unit.&#8221; </p>
<p>By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer<br />
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		<title>By: Progressaurus Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Progressaurus Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, now tripey is engaged in total fantasy. but only because she IS a total fantasy. tripey, you are not a lawyer, you are a sociopath. if, at any point, you actually PROVED any of the bs you say maybe i could actually take you seriously.

for instance, you (and mad jew) obviously know where i live and some basic information about me. hell, there&#039;s even a picture of me on my website. with a little research you could find out what my name is, where i&#039;m from, etc. that&#039;s because i have nothing to hide. i&#039;m not afraid to come here &lt;em&gt;as i am&lt;/em&gt;, say who i am, and what i think. both you and mad jew choose to sociopathically demonize your own countrymen from behind computer identities and for what? freely expressing their opinions as americans. and you expect us to take you at your word? i think not.

you have been trolling here for a long time, tripey, and you NEVER back up what you say with any fact or evidence. it&#039;s all snark and &quot;you libs&quot; and the same partisan attacks on your fellow americans. and to insinuate that somehow you can claim any sort of moral high ground here is laughable (just a hint -- bringing my mother into it, comparing me with a murderer and rapist -- there&#039;s nothing honorable or moral in that. or should i say &quot;honourable&quot;? you didn&#039;t respond to that one, you fraud). half a century ago, conservatives in this country declared war on their fellow citizens, choosing to embrace fear and division over strength and tolerance. you continue that great conservative tradition.

as long as you continue to baselessly attack people here, i will return the favor (or should i say favour?). i invite either one of you to read my posts at 85, 114 or 119 and respond to the points i make there (factually - merely saying the opposite of what i say, and then saying &quot;prove it&quot; isn&#039;t a rebuttal. if you can&#039;t come up with the facts to refute what i say, then you must not be able to refute what i say). of course, being fictional trolls with no purpose aside from creating partisan friction and derision, i don&#039;t expect either of you will do anything short of continue to crow here, attempting to spread the disease of single-minded partisanship, with which you are so woefully afflicted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, now tripey is engaged in total fantasy. but only because she IS a total fantasy. tripey, you are not a lawyer, you are a sociopath. if, at any point, you actually PROVED any of the bs you say maybe i could actually take you seriously.</p>
<p>for instance, you (and mad jew) obviously know where i live and some basic information about me. hell, there&#8217;s even a picture of me on my website. with a little research you could find out what my name is, where i&#8217;m from, etc. that&#8217;s because i have nothing to hide. i&#8217;m not afraid to come here <em>as i am</em>, say who i am, and what i think. both you and mad jew choose to sociopathically demonize your own countrymen from behind computer identities and for what? freely expressing their opinions as americans. and you expect us to take you at your word? i think not.</p>
<p>you have been trolling here for a long time, tripey, and you NEVER back up what you say with any fact or evidence. it&#8217;s all snark and &#8220;you libs&#8221; and the same partisan attacks on your fellow americans. and to insinuate that somehow you can claim any sort of moral high ground here is laughable (just a hint &#8212; bringing my mother into it, comparing me with a murderer and rapist &#8212; there&#8217;s nothing honorable or moral in that. or should i say &#8220;honourable&#8221;? you didn&#8217;t respond to that one, you fraud). half a century ago, conservatives in this country declared war on their fellow citizens, choosing to embrace fear and division over strength and tolerance. you continue that great conservative tradition.</p>
<p>as long as you continue to baselessly attack people here, i will return the favor (or should i say favour?). i invite either one of you to read my posts at 85, 114 or 119 and respond to the points i make there (factually &#8211; merely saying the opposite of what i say, and then saying &#8220;prove it&#8221; isn&#8217;t a rebuttal. if you can&#8217;t come up with the facts to refute what i say, then you must not be able to refute what i say). of course, being fictional trolls with no purpose aside from creating partisan friction and derision, i don&#8217;t expect either of you will do anything short of continue to crow here, attempting to spread the disease of single-minded partisanship, with which you are so woefully afflicted.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=701364', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ho Chi Minh</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/31/hagel-vietnam/comment-page-3/#comment-701135</link>
		<dc:creator>Ho Chi Minh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One Jew; my, my, look who&#039;s calling the kettle black,  before you tell ANYONE else to clean up their act, you better start practicing what you are preaching.  I NEVER put anyone down for their service, I only question their judgement.  It&#039;s the chickenhawks who NEVER served a day in the military who are denouncing veterans as &quot;cut and run cowards&quot; and &quot;traitors&quot;.  At the 2004 GOP convention the delegates wore bandaids on their faces with little purple hearts on them mocking Kerry&#039;s war record instead of questioning Bush&#039;s AWOL from service.  Look at the reichwing attacks on Murtha questioning his bravery and the shameful treatment given Max Cleland-a triple amputee from the Vietnam war by Axby Chambliss-a draft dodger.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, I say draft all the chickenhawks and send them to Iraq.  I&#039;ll bet that they will instantly become &quot;cut and run cowards&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One Jew; my, my, look who&#8217;s calling the kettle black,  before you tell ANYONE else to clean up their act, you better start practicing what you are preaching.  I NEVER put anyone down for their service, I only question their judgement.  It&#8217;s the chickenhawks who NEVER served a day in the military who are denouncing veterans as &#8220;cut and run cowards&#8221; and &#8220;traitors&#8221;.  At the 2004 GOP convention the delegates wore bandaids on their faces with little purple hearts on them mocking Kerry&#8217;s war record instead of questioning Bush&#8217;s AWOL from service.  Look at the reichwing attacks on Murtha questioning his bravery and the shameful treatment given Max Cleland-a triple amputee from the Vietnam war by Axby Chambliss-a draft dodger.</p>
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<p>So, I say draft all the chickenhawks and send them to Iraq.  I&#8217;ll bet that they will instantly become &#8220;cut and run cowards&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=701135', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/31/hagel-vietnam/comment-page-3/#comment-700727</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a dark situation.  The U.S. really controls nothing outside of the Green Zone in Iraq or Kabul in Afganistan.  This is a sectarian civil war and there is nothing we can do about it.  We have lost and that is a hard truth to speak.

The hard part is we are dammed if we do and dammed if we don&#039;t.  Iraq is a nation on fire and the United States poured the gasoline on it and lit the match.  It is an inferno of insanity and we own it.  To pull out now will plunge the region into an even deeper regional conflict.  To stay means that we will continue to see countless deaths and destruction and we will go broke funding the war in the process.

The president and the Congress have failed in their fiscal, legal and moral responsibility to the American people.  It represents a  complete failure of command, a violation of the oath of office and a dereliction of duty.  

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a dark situation.  The U.S. really controls nothing outside of the Green Zone in Iraq or Kabul in Afganistan.  This is a sectarian civil war and there is nothing we can do about it.  We have lost and that is a hard truth to speak.</p>
<p>The hard part is we are dammed if we do and dammed if we don&#8217;t.  Iraq is a nation on fire and the United States poured the gasoline on it and lit the match.  It is an inferno of insanity and we own it.  To pull out now will plunge the region into an even deeper regional conflict.  To stay means that we will continue to see countless deaths and destruction and we will go broke funding the war in the process.</p>
<p>The president and the Congress have failed in their fiscal, legal and moral responsibility to the American people.  It represents a  complete failure of command, a violation of the oath of office and a dereliction of duty.  </p>
<p>Mark<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700727', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: LiberalRebel</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/31/hagel-vietnam/comment-page-3/#comment-700686</link>
		<dc:creator>LiberalRebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, so far so good, and in another year with enough emitions pushed out into the atmosphere and some sizable hurricanes and yet another preepmtive strike or two around the world against a couple of other threatening outposts and we the Americans will go bye bye into the big sleep. That is what the rest of the world should be praying for at about of right now, because the great American dreamsters and all of our cord stringed Politicians and genreals are lloking more and more like those good old Goebbles,GÃ¶rings,Himmlers who just like our Dumbsfeldts,Wolfowits,Boltons,Rices,Roves,Cheneys, loved to kiss up to their FÃ¼hrer. Only back-clash this time is that those recently counted do not have one as morbidly sick mind with ex-paternal hatred to spill out all over the world. Nope! \Tese scumbags have only a Chimp like dumb ass who likes to talk like a cowboy and walk like havin a bicycle seat showed up his rectum. So, in conclusion we are about to smilingly walk into oblivion hand in hand while at the same time be singin &quot;oh when the saints&quot; holding onto that extra wide supreem right-winged cape that belong to our dear leader, the super big sugar daddy we all love to hate but still do adictivly follow..Who? the great decider of course..The never ending liar ...Ladies and Gents, may I present, the pride and wonder of the (once so called) free world..our President of his own screwed up mind.....Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, so far so good, and in another year with enough emitions pushed out into the atmosphere and some sizable hurricanes and yet another preepmtive strike or two around the world against a couple of other threatening outposts and we the Americans will go bye bye into the big sleep. That is what the rest of the world should be praying for at about of right now, because the great American dreamsters and all of our cord stringed Politicians and genreals are lloking more and more like those good old Goebbles,GÃ¶rings,Himmlers who just like our Dumbsfeldts,Wolfowits,Boltons,Rices,Roves,Cheneys, loved to kiss up to their FÃ¼hrer. Only back-clash this time is that those recently counted do not have one as morbidly sick mind with ex-paternal hatred to spill out all over the world. Nope! \Tese scumbags have only a Chimp like dumb ass who likes to talk like a cowboy and walk like havin a bicycle seat showed up his rectum. So, in conclusion we are about to smilingly walk into oblivion hand in hand while at the same time be singin &#8220;oh when the saints&#8221; holding onto that extra wide supreem right-winged cape that belong to our dear leader, the super big sugar daddy we all love to hate but still do adictivly follow..Who? the great decider of course..The never ending liar &#8230;Ladies and Gents, may I present, the pride and wonder of the (once so called) free world..our President of his own screwed up mind&#8230;..Bush.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700686', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: One Jew</title>
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		<dc:creator>One Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Rexroth&#039;s Daughter&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&quot;...to lift her skirt to prove...&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Hey stoned and aged &lt;strong&gt;Rexroth&#039;s Daughter&lt;/strong&gt;, what hole did you come out from?

That hole needs to be sealed with concrete immediately!

Sending fast reaction force!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Rexroth&#8217;s Daughter</strong></p>
<p><em>&#8220;&#8230;to lift her skirt to prove&#8230;&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Hey stoned and aged <strong>Rexroth&#8217;s Daughter</strong>, what hole did you come out from?</p>
<p>That hole needs to be sealed with concrete immediately!</p>
<p>Sending fast reaction force!!!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700659', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Solitaire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solitaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bannister, that is an excellent note to leave.  &quot;...this is a failed experiment, based on a false hypothesis.&quot;  Yep. Precisely!  I think the American public can figure out who led them into that quagmire.  Failure and False Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bannister, that is an excellent note to leave.  &#8220;&#8230;this is a failed experiment, based on a false hypothesis.&#8221;  Yep. Precisely!  I think the American public can figure out who led them into that quagmire.  Failure and False Bush.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700635', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Rexroth's Daughter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rexroth's Daughter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would all the bible thumpers please stand up and leave the keyboard? 
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would all the bible thumpers please stand up and leave the keyboard?<br />
Thanks.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700625', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Rexroth's Daughter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rexroth's Daughter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Pumpkin Aphrodite should have to lift her skirt to prove that she is not hiding  disgusting WMDs under there every day of her pitiful frightened existance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Pumpkin Aphrodite should have to lift her skirt to prove that she is not hiding  disgusting WMDs under there every day of her pitiful frightened existance.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700614', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Offite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Offite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that after the coup in Bagdad most will agree its not Vietnam.

We lost our deal(retired intelligence and military people-Plames) with Sharone, his third party, and Isreal not to do anything until we were out of Iraq.  They want to draw the US in because of the troops on the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that after the coup in Bagdad most will agree its not Vietnam.</p>
<p>We lost our deal(retired intelligence and military people-Plames) with Sharone, his third party, and Isreal not to do anything until we were out of Iraq.  They want to draw the US in because of the troops on the ground.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700419', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: equinos</title>
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		<dc:creator>equinos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-election anyone. PLEASE. Give me a break. This is such a ploy.
Swift boat applicable???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-election anyone. PLEASE. Give me a break. This is such a ploy.<br />
Swift boat applicable???<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700405', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bridge Madison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridge Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One Jew - 

How kind of you to bring up Japan, German and the Marshall Plan.  These two countries are vastly different to the circumstances and culture relevant to Iraq, but let&#039;s toss this around briefly.  

First, German wasn&#039;t a slam dunk.  It was in fact two countries until recent history, and East Germany was decidedly communist.  But that&#039;s just a technicality, right?

Next, the &quot;democratization&quot; process of these two countries began with a catalyst: Pearl Harbor, an attack on the U.S. Since we know Iraq never attacked us, our pre-emptive strike is a very different scenario. WWII was America defending itself.  Iraq is America engaging in nation building, badly.

Finally, &lt;strong&gt;thank you for pointing out that Democrats are in a better position to spread the ideology of democracy&lt;/strong&gt;.  After all, F.D. Roosevelt was a Democrat and the president at the beginning of World War II.  Harry Truman was a Democrat and the president at the end of WWII and the implementation of the Marshall plan and reconstruction.  While Truman faced many challenges and some failures, it&#039;s apparent you believe that the Marshall Plan was a good thing and helped build democracies in Japan and Germany.  So thank your for that acknowledgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One Jew &#8211; </p>
<p>How kind of you to bring up Japan, German and the Marshall Plan.  These two countries are vastly different to the circumstances and culture relevant to Iraq, but let&#8217;s toss this around briefly.  </p>
<p>First, German wasn&#8217;t a slam dunk.  It was in fact two countries until recent history, and East Germany was decidedly communist.  But that&#8217;s just a technicality, right?</p>
<p>Next, the &#8220;democratization&#8221; process of these two countries began with a catalyst: Pearl Harbor, an attack on the U.S. Since we know Iraq never attacked us, our pre-emptive strike is a very different scenario. WWII was America defending itself.  Iraq is America engaging in nation building, badly.</p>
<p>Finally, <strong>thank you for pointing out that Democrats are in a better position to spread the ideology of democracy</strong>.  After all, F.D. Roosevelt was a Democrat and the president at the beginning of World War II.  Harry Truman was a Democrat and the president at the end of WWII and the implementation of the Marshall plan and reconstruction.  While Truman faced many challenges and some failures, it&#8217;s apparent you believe that the Marshall Plan was a good thing and helped build democracies in Japan and Germany.  So thank your for that acknowledgement.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700311', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bridge Madison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridge Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mighty Aphrodite: 

Classical liberals and law-abiding Americans would never defend illegal wiretaps by saying  people who can account for legitimate money transfers have nothing to worry about.  Classical liberals like privacy.  You on the other hand capitulate to breaches in privacy and due process for the tenuous promise of a little security.  How scared are you, Pumpkin?  

Now, privacy is not a civil right (at the federal level), but due process is.  An attorney would never defend illegal wiretaps.  He or she would deny that the law has been broken.  With me so far?  

The government has the burden of proof in obtaining warrants.  It&#039;s not up to me to defend myself against a lack of probable cause.  I probably lost you there but I have a feeling your not listening anyway, given that your head is so far up your a*s.

The president has authorized spying on Americans despite the obvious breaches in the law .  And he knows the law:    &quot;[A]ny time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap ... a wiretap requires a court order.&quot; - President Bush, April 20, 2004 whitehouse.gov

Next I pointed out that Bush destabilized the region.  The best retort you could come up with is that the ends justify the means because Hussein ran a totalitarian government.  Yes indeed.  That was true in 2003, in 1990 during Dessert Storm and in 1983 when &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images1/rumsfeld_&amp;_hussein1.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rumsfeld met with Hussein&lt;/a&gt;.  So why attack now when Iran is even more poised to take over the region and further along on establishing itself as a nuclear power?  SNAFU.  

Now we have U.S. soldiers caught in the cross-fire of a civil war.  You see it as a bold effort to establish democracy.  It might have been that if Rumsfeld knew what he was doing and if Bush proceeded with less hubris and more strategy.  His commitment to stay now is a desperate effort to save is reputation.  

The continued violence and growing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-04-13-rumsfeld-generals_x.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;criticisms by military generals&lt;/a&gt; bely any claims of progress in the Middle East.

In Dessert Storm we seemed to know when it was time to pack up and leave.  This kept us from depleting our military, from minimizing the loss of blood and treasure.  

Retreat is not defeat.  We come back stronger, with a better plan and better people at the helm.  That did not happen when we went to Iraq in 2003.  Maybe next time.


That&#039;s all the time I have for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mighty Aphrodite: </p>
<p>Classical liberals and law-abiding Americans would never defend illegal wiretaps by saying  people who can account for legitimate money transfers have nothing to worry about.  Classical liberals like privacy.  You on the other hand capitulate to breaches in privacy and due process for the tenuous promise of a little security.  How scared are you, Pumpkin?  </p>
<p>Now, privacy is not a civil right (at the federal level), but due process is.  An attorney would never defend illegal wiretaps.  He or she would deny that the law has been broken.  With me so far?  </p>
<p>The government has the burden of proof in obtaining warrants.  It&#8217;s not up to me to defend myself against a lack of probable cause.  I probably lost you there but I have a feeling your not listening anyway, given that your head is so far up your a*s.</p>
<p>The president has authorized spying on Americans despite the obvious breaches in the law .  And he knows the law:    &#8220;[A]ny time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap &#8230; a wiretap requires a court order.&#8221; &#8211; President Bush, April 20, 2004 whitehouse.gov</p>
<p>Next I pointed out that Bush destabilized the region.  The best retort you could come up with is that the ends justify the means because Hussein ran a totalitarian government.  Yes indeed.  That was true in 2003, in 1990 during Dessert Storm and in 1983 when <a href="http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images1/rumsfeld_&amp;_hussein1.jpg" rel="nofollow">Rumsfeld met with Hussein</a>.  So why attack now when Iran is even more poised to take over the region and further along on establishing itself as a nuclear power?  SNAFU.  </p>
<p>Now we have U.S. soldiers caught in the cross-fire of a civil war.  You see it as a bold effort to establish democracy.  It might have been that if Rumsfeld knew what he was doing and if Bush proceeded with less hubris and more strategy.  His commitment to stay now is a desperate effort to save is reputation.  </p>
<p>The continued violence and growing <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-04-13-rumsfeld-generals_x.htm" rel="nofollow">criticisms by military generals</a> bely any claims of progress in the Middle East.</p>
<p>In Dessert Storm we seemed to know when it was time to pack up and leave.  This kept us from depleting our military, from minimizing the loss of blood and treasure.  </p>
<p>Retreat is not defeat.  We come back stronger, with a better plan and better people at the helm.  That did not happen when we went to Iraq in 2003.  Maybe next time.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all the time I have for you.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700260', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Killer Whale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Killer Whale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#132

&quot;g-zeus&quot;

Actualy, oil was a factor in Vietnam.

&quot;Herbert Hoover, later to become President of the United States did a study that showed that one of the world&#039;s largest oil fields ran along the coast of the South China Sea right off French Indo-China, now known as Vietnam.&quot;
 
- Denny, Ludwell, We Fight of Oil, Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1928

It is easy to imagine during the chess game that was the Cold War that the U.S. would not want the Communist to have control of this.

Okay - Herbert Hoover was a long time ago. Was he right?

From the 1998 Naval War College Review, Spring 1998, Vol. LI, No. 2:

&quot;Vietnam&#039;s southern continental shelf is its most lucrative offshore source of oil. Two fields, Big Bear and Blue Dragon, have by themselves practically underwritten Vietnam&#039;s economy, and both fields are located less than eight kilometers west of the Benton block, and within or astride China&#039;s claim line.&quot; 


As recently as 1992 - China and Vietnam had a little dust up in the South China Sea:

&quot;The near-simultaneous declaration of the Law of the Territorial Sea, the Chinese occupation of reefs, and &lt;strong&gt;the skirmish with Vietnamese naval units &lt;/strong&gt;all reflected China&#039;s heightened sensitivity to resource invasions in the South China Sea. 

They were a shrill warning to its neighbors that they could not exclude China from development of the area&#039;s natural resources. China&#039;s efforts in this direction were undoubtedly encouraged by a renewed promise of huge finds. 

Revised geological surveys by the Chinese Ministry of Geology and Mineral Resources led to speculation that the Spratlys archipelago could contain as much as &lt;strong&gt;105 billion barrels of oil, &lt;/strong&gt;an amount greater than China&#039;s on-shore reserves. The area surrounding James Shoal alone was also estimated to contain upwards of &lt;strong&gt;90 billion barrels of oil&lt;/strong&gt;.

The latest encroachments, coupled with China&#039;s shifting status from oil exporter to net importer, likely had convinced Beijing it needed to become more energetic in asserting its rights over a &lt;strong&gt;potentially world-class petroleum field.&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;


In the 50&#039;s and 60&#039;s - I&#039;m pretty sure the details re: the potential of the area ( in terms of billions of bbls. of oil reserves and etc. ) were not known  - but they knew enough then to know that it was too significant for the Communist to control.

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<p>&#8220;g-zeus&#8221;</p>
<p>Actualy, oil was a factor in Vietnam.</p>
<p>&#8220;Herbert Hoover, later to become President of the United States did a study that showed that one of the world&#8217;s largest oil fields ran along the coast of the South China Sea right off French Indo-China, now known as Vietnam.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Denny, Ludwell, We Fight of Oil, Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1928</p>
<p>It is easy to imagine during the chess game that was the Cold War that the U.S. would not want the Communist to have control of this.</p>
<p>Okay &#8211; Herbert Hoover was a long time ago. Was he right?</p>
<p>From the 1998 Naval War College Review, Spring 1998, Vol. LI, No. 2:</p>
<p>&#8220;Vietnam&#8217;s southern continental shelf is its most lucrative offshore source of oil. Two fields, Big Bear and Blue Dragon, have by themselves practically underwritten Vietnam&#8217;s economy, and both fields are located less than eight kilometers west of the Benton block, and within or astride China&#8217;s claim line.&#8221; </p>
<p>As recently as 1992 &#8211; China and Vietnam had a little dust up in the South China Sea:</p>
<p>&#8220;The near-simultaneous declaration of the Law of the Territorial Sea, the Chinese occupation of reefs, and <strong>the skirmish with Vietnamese naval units </strong>all reflected China&#8217;s heightened sensitivity to resource invasions in the South China Sea. </p>
<p>They were a shrill warning to its neighbors that they could not exclude China from development of the area&#8217;s natural resources. China&#8217;s efforts in this direction were undoubtedly encouraged by a renewed promise of huge finds. </p>
<p>Revised geological surveys by the Chinese Ministry of Geology and Mineral Resources led to speculation that the Spratlys archipelago could contain as much as <strong>105 billion barrels of oil, </strong>an amount greater than China&#8217;s on-shore reserves. The area surrounding James Shoal alone was also estimated to contain upwards of <strong>90 billion barrels of oil</strong>.</p>
<p>The latest encroachments, coupled with China&#8217;s shifting status from oil exporter to net importer, likely had convinced Beijing it needed to become more energetic in asserting its rights over a <strong>potentially world-class petroleum field.</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>In the 50&#8217;s and 60&#8217;s &#8211; I&#8217;m pretty sure the details re: the potential of the area ( in terms of billions of bbls. of oil reserves and etc. ) were not known  &#8211; but they knew enough then to know that it was too significant for the Communist to control.</p>
<p>FYI.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700196', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bannister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bannister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way out of Iraq is simple:  Pack up and leave a note behind telling the natives that we have tried for three and one-half years to create a system of government for them that they cannot accept.  Whether the explanation is religious, cultural or tribal, we have spent lives, money and time attempting to fit a square political sytem into a round hole.  Leaving is not &quot;cutting and running,&quot; but rather recognition that this is a failed experiment, based on a false hypothesis and that no matter how much we try,  or how much of our youth we sacrifice or our capital we expend, we will fail. &quot;Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.&quot;  To stay in the Middle East will result in our grandchildren fighting their grandchildren over the same lunacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way out of Iraq is simple:  Pack up and leave a note behind telling the natives that we have tried for three and one-half years to create a system of government for them that they cannot accept.  Whether the explanation is religious, cultural or tribal, we have spent lives, money and time attempting to fit a square political sytem into a round hole.  Leaving is not &#8220;cutting and running,&#8221; but rather recognition that this is a failed experiment, based on a false hypothesis and that no matter how much we try,  or how much of our youth we sacrifice or our capital we expend, we will fail. &#8220;Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.&#8221;  To stay in the Middle East will result in our grandchildren fighting their grandchildren over the same lunacy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700173', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sheri Du bose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheri Du bose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to disagree, but any one who has read and studied Genesis will know that the war in Irag is and has been a religious war since Ishmeal and Jacob. Vietnam was a communist power war. Sorry nothing appears to be related here to me. As a born and bred American, with my forefathers coming from England and Prussia(Germany), Scotland and Ireland... they worked hard to defend the constitution of the United States, they learned how to speak English, and were proud to be Americans. As my ggggggrandfather served in at Gettysburg, my grandfather and his brother in law served in WWII, my uncle served in Nam they defended our rights to to complain about our government, freedom of speech to be a bunch of whiny brats.I as a proud American choose to serve in the Army as well as my 17 yr old daughter choose to join the Army instead of going to the college she was accepted at. Education is on hold to defend your rights, and she is only 17, how many of you complaining here today has giving anything to your country, where you can moan and groan and still not do anything to change the world? How productive are you in your life? My God protect, because without our soldiers we would still be under a king that allows no disagreement without beheadings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to disagree, but any one who has read and studied Genesis will know that the war in Irag is and has been a religious war since Ishmeal and Jacob. Vietnam was a communist power war. Sorry nothing appears to be related here to me. As a born and bred American, with my forefathers coming from England and Prussia(Germany), Scotland and Ireland&#8230; they worked hard to defend the constitution of the United States, they learned how to speak English, and were proud to be Americans. As my ggggggrandfather served in at Gettysburg, my grandfather and his brother in law served in WWII, my uncle served in Nam they defended our rights to to complain about our government, freedom of speech to be a bunch of whiny brats.I as a proud American choose to serve in the Army as well as my 17 yr old daughter choose to join the Army instead of going to the college she was accepted at. Education is on hold to defend your rights, and she is only 17, how many of you complaining here today has giving anything to your country, where you can moan and groan and still not do anything to change the world? How productive are you in your life? My God protect, because without our soldiers we would still be under a king that allows no disagreement without beheadings.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=700102', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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