Malkin: Outrage About Qana ‘Manufactured,’ ‘If It’s Not Qana, It’s Something Else…It’s Beauty Pageants’
Malkin: Outrage About Qana ‘Manufactured,’ ‘If It’s Not Qana, It’s Something Else…It’s Beauty Pageants’
Last night on The O’Reilly Factor, Michelle Malkin said anger in the Arab world about the tragedy at Qana — where at least 56 innocent civilians, including 37 children, were killed — was “manufactured.” Malkin called it “the jihad du jour” that “members of the religion of perpetual outrage are always ginning up.” She added, “If it’s not Qana, it’s something else. … It’s Gitmo, Abu Ghraib. It’s beauty pageants.” Watch it:
Transcript:
O’REILLY: Then why — why doesn’t the rest of the world accept your analysis?
MALKIN: Because they are intoxicated. They are clouded by this moral equivalence that has set in over the world for the past several decades. And I think it behooves us to fight against that, to claw against that.
Because the manufactured outrage that Qana is not really about the deaths at Qana; it is something about much larger. It is about the jihad du jour that these — that members of the religion of perpetual outrage are always ginning up. I mean, if it’s not Qana, it’s something else.
O’REILLY: No, I got it. I got it. I got it.
MALKIN: It’s Gitmo, Abu Ghraib. It’s beauty pageants.
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ReichWingNuts still making up their own reality? They are completely out of step with the rest of the planet on Qana.
Here's what the BBC recently reported [ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5232434.stm ]
..."The Israeli military seems to consider anyone left in the area a combatant who is fair game for attack," said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch.
"Such consistent failure to distinguish combatants and civilians is a war crime." ...
August 1st, 2006 at 12:10 pmMalkin hits it out of the ballpark again. She is absolutely right.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:13 pmFirst Rush now this thing. I just hope mAnn wasn't on any show. Come on TP..have a heart.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:15 pmHow'd she hit the nail on the head on this one? Beauty pageants is my #1 issue in this campaign. I can't wait to hear Feingold defend his position on that one!
August 1st, 2006 at 12:15 pm“If it’s not Qana, it’s something else. … It’s Gitmo, Abu Ghraib. It’s beauty pageants.†This is what O’Reilly’s Michelle Malkin said and rightly so ‘cause--it isn’t her ass that’s on the line, the bombing line. And neither is anyone at FOXNew’s.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:15 pmPropaganda, anyone? Rethuglicans see the world in only one dimension, or so it seems. This is sick! Beauty pageants? Really now.
[ http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0801-02.htm ]
The Israeli military has said it bombed the building in which several people had taken shelter, more than half of them children, because the Army had faced rocket fire from Qana. The Israeli military has said that Hezbollah was therefore responsible for the deaths.
"There were no Hezbollah rockets fired from here," 32-year-old Ali Abdel told IPS. "Anyone in this village will tell you this, because it is the truth." ...
"They bombed it, and afterwards I heard the screams of women, children, and a few men -- they were crying for help. But then one minute after the first bomb, another bomb struck, and after this there was nothing but silence, and the sound of more bombs around the village." ...
How does anyone "manufacture" this?
August 1st, 2006 at 12:17 pmSomeone please pull that Bush loving/Israel apologist Malkin off the TV > she needs to be put in a mental institution with Ann Coulter > lol.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:17 pmwho'ld have thought that torture and murder would have found apologist and evengicals.
evil knows no bounds, i guess.
just disgusting ...
August 1st, 2006 at 12:17 pmToo many terrorists complain about baby entrails caked with dust. They are just going to grow up to be full-grown brown people anyways.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:18 pmIf Malkin "hit it out of the ballpark" again then she must have been playing American Football...
Why would there be outrage about...
Qana - Innocent civilians killed
Guantanamo - Innocent civilians jailed (If they weren't innocent then why have some of them been released?)
Abu Ghraib - People being tortured against the Geneva Conventions
I just can't understand why decent human beings could be outraged by any of these things.
Z.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:18 pmSo, everyone is supposed to watch the pictures of dead babies and just take it in stride. I couldn't even sleep after seeing some of those pictures.
I mean look at the outrage at the Mel Gibson comments. Why is that OK, but it's not OK to be outraged at the death 30 innocent children.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:18 pmwho’ld have thought that torture and murder would have found apologist and evengicals.
Read Agitprop's takedown of J-Pod if you want to see more hatemongering.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:20 pmMalkin's continued presence on faux news speaks to her value as an insightful political observer. Guess the latest bush/cheney line is now to really down play dying as an insignificant event in someone's life.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:20 pmDoes she even feel bad for what happened?----She is Pure Evil!! Thats all I can say.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:21 pmAh, the culture of life....I guess they would only have compassion if those kids were in a persistant vegetative state.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:21 pmThey are clouded by this moral equivalence that has set in over the world for the past several decades. And I think it behooves us to fight against that, to claw against that.
So she wants to have a War on Morality. So when did morals become the enemy ad why are they bad to have. Does she want us to become like the animals that have no regard for human life? Does she want us to become terrorists? And right on cue Exley jumps in "I'm all for wanton killing".
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August 1st, 2006 at 12:22 pmAlso, I keep wondering why babbling idiots like Malkin, O'Reily, Rush, Savage, Hannity, and others are still on Radio and TV.
The sad truth is that their audience believes what they say.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:23 pmMalkins not evil, she's an idiot.
Big difference.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:24 pmExely, she's right, for a failed avenue of thinking. Yes she's consistent, but, as Brian Coughlan said in the previous post " If you can’t grasp the perspective of the other “sideâ€, you need look no further than your own understandable and human bloodlust after 9/11. Do you think you are the only human to ever feel this way? Now, make the loss not simply a fellow citizen, or a work colleague, but a sibling, a lover, a parent, a child or a baby. Do you see?" This is it exactly, the Administration and it's supporters have this my way or the highway mentality and it just isn't working. You cannot project logic on an illogical situation. They just need to ignore their own reality. Just by saying It's the thing to do that's right" totally ignores any differences that might be used as an approach to solving the problem in a non violent way. Their stuck with an ugly position that THEY put themselves in. Carnage and wreckage just makes it worse so now they're trying to retroactively get support from the people whose opinion they ignored in the first place.
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August 1st, 2006 at 12:25 pmBecause the manufactured outrage that Qana is not really about the deaths at Qana; it is something about much larger. It is about the jihad du jour that these — that members of the religion of perpetual outrage are always ginning up. I mean, if it’s not Qana, it’s something else.
Humorous? Let's try some empathy trick... let's substitute the facts with persons and events known to the readers...
Because the manufactured outrage that Twin Towers are not really about the deaths at Twin Towers; it is something about much larger. It is about the Global War du jour that these — that members of the religion of perpetual outrage are always ginning up. I mean, if it’s not Twin Towers, it’s something else.
Sound outrageous now for the neocons reading this? I bet.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:25 pmMalkin forgot to mention editorial cartoons depicting Mohammad....That is, of course, yet another excuse Islamic fundamentalists give for their perpetration of violence and terrorism....As Malkin correctly points out, those folks have a whole bag full of excuses to commit terrorism.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:26 pmGood read about the so-called culture of life from a guest blogger on rude pundit second post down. a bit long, but dead on.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:26 pmI hate to say it, but she's 100% right!
August 1st, 2006 at 12:28 pmWow ... just ... um ... yeah.
When you think about it, though, the reasoning behind Malkin's and Rush's and others on the right's cold bloodedness is necessary for their world view. They see ALL Muslims -- children included -- as less then human. They have to because, for them, the enemy is all 1.5 BILLION followers of Islam. To try and distinguish between the innocent and guilty would require too much intellectual analysis.
It's the same reasoning that, quite frankly, was required to justify carpet bombing cities in WWII or the destruction of entire villages during Vietnam.
It also has to do with the human psyche -- only true psychopaths can kill another person. When you make them less than human, you're not killing a person, but something subhuman.
Not saying it's right. Just sayin' ...
August 1st, 2006 at 12:30 pmExley, you have missed the point, Qana is not about giving excuses for violence. It is about the Isreali military destroying a building with civilians in it, including women and children. I realize you don't want to see anything but the black and white, us vs them, good vs evil, but at some point you need to grow up, and see the shades of gray.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:30 pmIts amazing that these people call themselves Christians, hardly
August 1st, 2006 at 12:32 pmthe example of the teachings of Christ. Conservative means without
compassion, drunk on the lust for power and domination, hateful
and unchristian-like. They reveal in the fact of the end of days,
but what they do not realize that it is their end. If they were truely
christians they would not be violating the ten commandents so
blatently, either way they will suffer at their own hands.
Islamic fundamentalists give for their perpetration of violence and terrorism….As Malkin correctly points out, those folks have a whole bag full of excuses to commit terrorism.
Comment by exley — August 1, 2006 @ 12:26 pm
There is no excuse for terrorism, but there are plenty of causes. Just like there are no excuse for dying of pneumonia, but plenty of causes. Sensible people discuss the causes.
If I warn my children not to go skating in the nude, does that make me pro-pneumonia:-)
When you kill peoples children, this has the effect of converting them and their relatives into terrorists who want to kill you. If this is what you are after of course, well then it makes total sense.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:36 pmbut at some point you need to grow up, and see the shades of gray.
While that is certainly true, Krazny, I have to say that things are looking pretty damned black and white to me at the moment. Israel targets civilians, Red Cross ambulances, and U.N. observation posts with total impunity...that's nothing but state-sponsored terrorism...and shamefully, the U.S. is the biggest and most ardent sponsor.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:36 pm#22, Fly-Man, "You cannot project logic on an illogical situation." I couldn't agree with you more...And what is more illogical than people who fly hijacked civilian airliners into office buildings, killing thousands in a matter of moments? What is more illogical than a person walking into an Israeli pizza parlor and deliberately targeting and murdering innocent, men women and children? Such actions are the very definition of illogic....And it is equally illogical to argue that people who carry out such acts can be dealt with in a "non-violent" way...Israel has been been trying to negotiate with these people for decades and what has it gotten them? They have withdrawn from the Sinai. They have withdrawn from Gaza. And the result for Israel? Neither peace nor security. Like you, I sincerely wish that the fundamentalist Islamic world would let go of their hatred of Jews and allow Israel and the United States to live in peace. In that way, they too could could in peace and security. But to date they have been unable to do so, and, instead have chosen to deliberately attack and murder thousands of American and Israeli civilians. To leave such atrocities unaddressed would only invite more such attacks. And that is unaccepatble.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:38 pmMonkey,
there is enough hatred and fear on both sides. We are at a point, were no one remembers the original cause, everyone reacts to current events. The Isreali's don't want missles falling into their cities, and I don't blame them. Hezbollah will not disarm, and wants to destroy Isreal completely. The ones caught in the middle are the lebenose civilians.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:39 pmTo leave such atrocities unaddressed would only invite more such attacks. And that is unaccepatble.
Comment by exley — August 1, 2006 @ 12:38 pm
This is fatalistic and dangerous nonsense ... which leads to either perpetual war or eventually genocide.
Despite several decades of terrorism, the British never bombed Dublin City or our airports, blockaded Dublin port, or took any action that killed hundreds of Southern Irish civilians indiscriminatley, and make no mistake, these options were on the table.
Certainly they made some blunders, and did some dreadful things, but in the main and luckily for all involved, cooler heads prevailed.
Israel would have been much wiser to work carefully with the Lebanese government to eliminate the problem that way, as the British did with Ireland. What does Britian have next door now? A prosperous and confident friendly economy with whom they share a common internal customs border, as well as regular and enthusiastic co-operation on many issues within the EU.
Israel could do far worse than to follow that model, they have been trying collective punishment for 50 years, and you certainly couldn’t claim that it’s working. Time to look to conflicts were there has been widespread resolution, and try a different approach.
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August 1st, 2006 at 12:42 pmexely,
August 1st, 2006 at 12:43 pmI guess the kidnapping of 2 Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah was just an excuse for Israel to INVADE Lebanon.
Israel has been been trying to negotiate with these people for decades and what has it gotten them?
Regardless of how one sees it, the end result is, as Israeli observers themselves have commented, a barbarization, moral decline or debasement, of Israeli society. How could it be otherwise, what with a Zionist ideology that, from its origin, treated the Palestinians with cruelty, disdain, violence, and loathing, traits common to all colonial-settler societies. And with the state since 1948 having so thoroughly indoctrinated Israeli society, through wars and manipulation of existential fears, occupation and relentlessly violent oppression. And with a racist educational system-which portrays the "Arabs" as inferior, lazy, fatalistic, dirty, easily inflammable, violent, bloodthirsty-and socialization of superiority and separation and alienation of Jews from non-Jews, in cities and neighborhoods, on Jewish owned lands and public domains.
The pathological nature of this indoctrination is illustrated by the cold-blooded October 2004 murder of the 13-year schoolgirl, Iman al-Hams, by a "Captain R," who was subsequently acquitted and promoted. After shooting her twice in the head, he walked away then turned around and emptied the entire magazine of his automatic rifle, 17 bullets, into her to "confirm the kill." The captain, on tape, "clarifies" why he killed Iman: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the [security] zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed." (See Chris McGreal, Guardian, Nov. 16, 2005) Journalists and human rights organizations have documented countless cases of Israelis killing children, even for sports and game. Notice, here, the captain's language: "Anything that's mobile.needs to be killed." Not anyone who is mobile. Palestinian children are like animals, like anything moving, they, it, need(s) to be killed.
Captain R turns out to be a Druze, a powerful telling of the sick success of Israeli socialization and indoctrination. This Druze, historically the marginal outsider in mainstream Islamic society, internalized Israel's ethnic/racial pecking order-its colonially inherited psychopathology in which the indigenous become animals-therefore violently displacing his inferiority, as Mizrahi Jews do, onto the Palestinians. Dehumanizing, hating and killing Palestinians is the ultimate, disturbed act of belonging and loyalty to a society accustomed to its influential members referring to Palestinians as beasts, two-legged animals, cockroaches and worms, unaware of their own degradation and dehumanization in the process.
Israeli Power
August 1st, 2006 at 12:45 pmKrazny, Actually I don't believe it is I who is seeing everything in black and white, but rather those here who automatically and without evidence (indeed, despite the evidence) claim that Israel deliberately and intentionally targeted and attacked these civilians or ignore the fact that Hezbollah had been firing rockets from this location amd, for all intents and purposes, "invited" this attack by placing military hardware and weapons in the midst of this civilian center, in direct contravention to the rules of war....The deaths at Qana are a tragedy. But responsibility lies with Hezbollah. Not Israel.
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August 1st, 2006 at 12:46 pmI WILL SAY IT AGAIN - ISRAEL CREATED HEZBOLLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 1st, 2006 at 12:46 pmJeez-laweez!
What the HECK does James Carville see in that venom-spitting woman?????
Comment by MrBlueSky — August 1, 2006 @ 12:25 pm
MBS: Carville is married to Mary Matalin, not Michelle Malkin. They share a wrong-minded brain, of course, but at least Matalin is not usually venomous and slobbering with hatred unlike Malkin.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:47 pmExley,
check my post #35 concerning my thoughts on the conflict in the middle east. I don't automatically condem Isreal, and I don't support Hezbollah.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:48 pmExley,
Just curious but how many armed Hezbollah troops were found dead in Qana near where the civilians were killed?
Why is it that the news reports show the civilian dead of bombing but I have yet to see the armed Hezbollah dead?
August 1st, 2006 at 12:48 pmNot half as bad as Harretz news item
IDF says it may not be responsible for Qana deaths
Also the denials of the beach bombings and killing UK peace keeper
August 1st, 2006 at 12:49 pmseems as they have an American PR team
Collateral damage (killing of innocent civilians) appears to be perfectly okay to right wingnuts. Maybe someday when collateral damage affects some of their families, they'll learn that it's not so good. Only sociopaths think killing of innocents is to be ignored. It's NEVER acceptable.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:49 pm#47 Quick, a credible excuse for Israel! Hmmm... Well, the AK-47 and Katiushas of the dead were moved to Syria... no, no, make it Iran!
August 1st, 2006 at 12:51 pmYou know I seem to remember another woman of Asian descent who broadcasted propoganda in the 60's and 70's
I think her name was Hanoi Hannah
August 1st, 2006 at 12:51 pmThe deaths at Qana are a tragedy. But responsibility lies with Hezbollah. Not Israel.
Comment by exley — August 1, 2006 @ 12:45 pm
And with that, you just disagreed with M Malkin in that Qana is "a beauty pageant". it is not. It is a tragedy.
We can argue over who is responsible now, but I think we can agree that calling the outcry over Qana a "beauty pageant" is beyond the pale.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:52 pmKrazny,
We are at a point, were no one remembers the original cause
You mean this cause?
I remember it quite well...although thanks to the heroic efforts of teh good people over at Fox News, everyone else seems to have been suckered by the lie that these soldiers were captured in Israel.
The Isreali’s don’t want missles falling into their cities, and I don’t blame them.
If they really didn't want missiles falling into their cities, they wouldn't have provoked this conflict by sending soldiers across the border, and subsequently excacerbated it beyond all reason by executing airstrikes on U.N. observation posts, Red Cross ambulances, and hapless Lebanese civilians in response to the 'kidnapping' (weasel word...the soldiers were captured) of two Israeli soldiers.
But of course, a few Katushka rockets falling on Israel is a small price to pay for an excuse to totally decimate Lebanon.
Hezbollah will not disarm, and wants to destroy Isreal completely.
At this point, I really can't blame them. Hezbollah's ranks are swelling with the survivors of Israeli attacks on civilians, ensuring a continued rationale for the pogram.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:53 pm#51 She looks a lot like Imelda Marcos. Wonder if she has too a wardrobe with thousands of shoes and undies...
August 1st, 2006 at 12:55 pmMalkins not evil, she’s an idiot. Big difference.
Comment by AnAmerican — August 1, 2006 @ 12:24 pm
ok... she's an evil idiot...
August 1st, 2006 at 12:57 pmShe would have also been right in there defending slavery had she been around then. How dare those slaves complain about no self-determination. They get food, they get shelter, all their needs are taken care of for them. What do they want? They just want to complain.
What a disgusting excuse for a commentator.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:59 pmExely, at some point the argument of who threw the rock first has to stop. Our complicit attention to just Israel's needs ignores the other side completely. Yes there were 6 million Jews exterminated during WWII but we can't ignore the fact that the Palestinians were basically thrown out and have since been oppressed beyond for wanting something they believe just like the Israeli's do, that they have a God given right to obtain. Our unwavering Militaristic, financial and tacit support for Israel has made us more vulnerable to the growth of resentment that has festered into our own country. Guerilla warfare by fractioned groups of radical extremists is not a something we can just bomb. If it is we have failed miserably. Sorta like Iraq.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:02 pmI guess the kidnapping of 2 Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah was just an excuse for Israel to INVADE Lebanon.
Comment by Redleg — August 1, 2006 @ 12:43 pm
pretty much, yes...
August 1st, 2006 at 1:03 pmYou american should understand the most why Islamic radicals react this way, I mean your government sent troops to Iraq in the so called "war against terror" after the tragic event of 9/11, while arabs are living tragedies day-in and day-out and the only thing they can do is to face the most sophisticated war machines with stones, yet some are trying to deny them this right !!
August 1st, 2006 at 1:06 pmthe soldiers that were CAPTURED==who other than israel has soldiers KIDNAPPED, by the way--were most likely in southern lebanon since israel army has been sneaking over into s. lebanon for YEARS.
so redleg and katy, YES it was a pretext for the murder of lebanese civilians. period.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:06 pmPeople are quickly getting fed up with these shrill harpies with no conscience. Her "beliefs" are all about money, selling books, and gaining attention. The truth is, people like Malkin don't stand for anything really other than making as much $ off other people pain as they can. Pretty sickening if you ask me and any other sane person.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:09 pmAt this point, I really can’t blame them. Hezbollah’s ranks are swelling with the survivors of Israeli attacks on civilians, ensuring a continued rationale for the pogram.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 1, 2006 @ 12:53 pm
Therein lies the problem. The cycle of violence spins up again. A generation of children in Lebanon condemned to grow up in poverty and destitution. All it takes is one intelligent, bright but bitter kid to place the blame where it belongs and BOOM, 15 years hence another bunch of American innocents get "whats coming to them".
Maybe this time they'll learn that supporting Israel is going to cost them?
Sound pointless and yet likely? Then it's time to stop.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:09 pmMalkin is an entertainer, albeit a perverse one. She knows what she's doing, she just wants to make sure she gets paid for it.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:10 pmWe need to keep a "robust sense of reality."
August 1st, 2006 at 1:14 pm-Bertrand Russell
When are we going to start arresting Phillipino-Americans and tossing them into Guantanimo? I am sure that Michelle will gladly go into an internment camp because she has America's interests at heart.
The Phillipino spy network hasn't been given enough airtime and I am worried that Michelle might be a fifth columnist.
http://cicentre.com/Documents/DOC_Aragoncillo_Aquino.html
-GSD
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August 1st, 2006 at 1:15 pmMalkin is like "Tokyo Rose" the Japanese lady who spewed hatred of Americans during WWII!
August 1st, 2006 at 1:15 pmSimple comparisons work well to illustrate "complicated" issues. If Mexico bombed Ms Malkin's house in retaliation for criminal Americans who allowed illegal aliens to die in a shipping container in the desert, she'd be singing a much different tune.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:19 pmSigh. More vaudeville from the far-right. Coulter really does not need an even more shrill companion piece.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:21 pm#47
August 1st, 2006 at 1:22 pmThe reason you don't see any Hezbollah soldiers dead is because they fire their rockets from civilian locations the high tail it out of there like the cowards they are. By the way does any one know where I can go and buy an official Hezbollah uniform? Oh wait, they don't have one because when the s*it gets thick, they want to fade into the civilian population. Plus when they do get sent to allah, they are assumed to be ......that's right, CIVILIANS! And why is there such outrage for those civilians, where has the worlds outrage been for all the Israeli civilians that have been targeted for 50 years by these scumbags? On buses and in pizza parlors, where was all your indignation then? Th ebottom line is this, if Hezbollah laid down their weapons and walked away right now, would this be over? Now if the Israelli army laid down their weapons what would happen then? And that IS VERY black and white.
I wonder what the “Arab Street†reaction would be if one of the Hezbollah rockets had hit say a Jewish nursery, school, or playground and had caused the death of say 150 children? Would the “Arab mob†cry, wail, and attack the Hezbollah offices over the death of so many young? Stop attempting to put some moral equivalence on the two sides. Hezbollah is firing indiscriminately into Israel with not a care who is on the receiving end of their rockets, where as the Israelis are at least being selective at which building they destroy. BTW where are the charges from Human Rights Watch against Hezbollah? They are firing unguided rockets filled with Anti-personnel pellets (designed to main/kill, uh TERRORIZE) into population centers.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:27 pmFor 50 years Israel has been killing civilians in Palestine calling them cockroaches, so they had to make Israel taste the same medicine. Who is to say that certain people's lives are more preicous than others?!!!
August 1st, 2006 at 1:27 pmif Hezbollah laid down their weapons and walked away right now, would this be over?
NO, because isreal has been planning this genocide for years
Now if the Israelli army laid down their weapons what would happen then
they are blood-thirsty genocidal maniacs, so, don't hold your breath on israel ever laying down their arms.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:28 pm#23 Exley
Malkin forgot to mention editorial cartoons depicting Mohammad….That is, of course, yet another excuse Islamic fundamentalists give for their perpetration of violence and terrorism….As Malkin correctly points out, those folks have a whole bag full of excuses to commit terrorism.
Seeing your infant child crushed or dismembered by an Israeli bomb with the full support of the U.S.: just another lame excuse for becoming a terrorist.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:28 pmAt least she didn't say "Boo-Freaking-Hoo"...
August 1st, 2006 at 1:29 pmWow - there appears to be lots of editing by the TP police on this thread. What's the deal?
August 1st, 2006 at 1:30 pm#65 The reason you don’t see any Hezbollah soldiers dead is because they fire their rockets from civilian locations the high tail it out of there like the cowards they are.
Comment by mike — August 1, 2006 @ 1:22 pm
That's like the phantom dozens of trailers full of WMD who moved from Iraq to Syria inadvertedly to the spy planes, satellites, spys, Rangers and Navy seals who were spying Iraq before and after the start of the Iraq war?
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August 1st, 2006 at 1:31 pm#65 and 66 - you can see this is a children's arguement played by adults with dangerous weapons. Mom, he hit me first. Mom she won't stop hitting me, and so on forever. The right, moral, ethical thing to do when your kids are beating the crap out of each other is not to encourage the bigger kid to kill the "little" sister but to step in regardless of who is right or wrong and stop them, immediately. Then you actually sit down and work VERY hard to make sure it doesn't happen again. You note Chimpy has done NOTHING in the last FIVE years to "work hard" to stop this cycle of violence. So he has proven he is incompetant to handle this.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:33 pmdr sinker,
this happens from time-to-time here. i think they are afraid of someone like media matters or fox or cnn mentioning malkin's crazy words and how the blogs are dealing with it, and, if there is significant anti-israel killing civilian stuff on the thread, it wouldn't make some people happy.
some people get permanently banned for saying too much non-pc liberal speak.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:34 pm#54 madashell
Lebanon Ceasefire Calls Mount as World Protests at Israeli Raid
Oh c'mon. You know the world has always had a liberal bias.
And they hate us because of our freedom, too.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:35 pmvance,
face it. when has anyone ever been criticized for saying something vehemently pro-israel? never
when has anyone ever been criticized for saying something vehemently anti-israel? always
it is just the way it has always been--counterexamples are welcome,by the way--and the way it will always be.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:39 pmWhere's the outrage over the innocent Israeli's who have been killed? There's none! Ever! That's the point! Everyone wants to villianize Israel, while sympathizing with the terrorists who are responsible for endangering the innocents lives lost in Qana.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:39 pmAntagonist
You have this complex that is called "The whole world hates us", I wonder why!!
August 1st, 2006 at 1:41 pmWhat is very sad is that Janet Jackson is censored and fined for showing a nipple with a piercing who hids it almost completely, and this "person" can spew his racism and hate freely without hesitation, and making big bucks with its books and TV punditry...
We hate your country for your freedoms? I don't want this type of "freedom". It's not freedom. It's indoctrination.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:41 pm#79 That's not true. Americans have been pro-Israel for a long time. That's why the US is being vilified, because we support them.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:42 pmamericans have been reduced to peace wanting people being turned into terrorists, where guns and violence are an everyday happening, but people are more outraged by seeing a woman nurse her baby...where up is down, black is white, lies are truth, war is peace.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:45 pmHere is a great article from Juan Cole. Enjoy.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:45 pmhttp://www.juancole.com/2006/07/what-is-hizbullah-western-and-israeli.html
Everyone wants to villianize Israel
not really, they are doing that well all by themselves.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:47 pmflyman, thanks.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:49 pm
Malkin is like “Tokyo Rose†the Japanese lady who spewed hatred of Americans during WWII!
Comment by Jay Randal — August 1, 2006 @ 1:15 pm
jay - do your homework... get the story right...
August 1st, 2006 at 1:56 pm#81
We hate your country for your freedoms? I don’t want this type of “freedomâ€. It’s not freedom. It’s indoctrination.
It was sarcasm.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:59 pmModerated by Admin.
August 1st, 2006 at 1:59 pm89. I'll take the latter.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:00 pmah ha ha... good call, cyra!
August 1st, 2006 at 2:02 pmeither, or... both?
Somebody referred to Malkin and Coulter as "banshees" and then someone else called them "harpies".
I can't decide which word I like better. They both describe them perfectly.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:03 pmTerrorism can not be defeated militarily. It never has been, and it never will be. It is a utopian, blood soaked fools paradise to think otherwise.
So ask yourself the question, are you prepared to see millions of people killed, perhaps tens of thousands of American troops, global economic collapse due to the inevitable energy crisis that this will bring on? Are you independently wealthy? Do you own your own home? Are you able to heat your home without electricity? Do you have a short daily commute?
If your answer to any of the above is NO, then you need this thing to stop, right now.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:04 pm#88 I know, jimb, I wasn't attacking you, I was attacking the ones who think that MM is a credible pundit... my apologies to you if expressed myself badly.
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August 1st, 2006 at 2:06 pmkaty > Tokyo Rose was the Japanese mouthpiece who spewed hatred of American soldiers on the radio during WWII!
August 1st, 2006 at 2:06 pm#79: Where’s the outrage over the innocent Israeli’s who have been killed? There’s none! Ever! That’s the point! Everyone wants to villianize Israel, while sympathizing with the terrorists who are responsible for endangering the innocents lives lost in Qana.
This is an incredibly stupid comment. To condemn Israel's attacks on Lebanese civilians is not to "sympathize with terrorists." I suspect everyone on this site would condemn Hezbollah's actions. What's frightening is that there are some who wouldn't condemn Israel's under any circumstances, no matter how many civilians they killed or how much Lebanese infrastructure they destroyed.
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August 1st, 2006 at 2:10 pm#97-Alphonse- Well said!
August 1st, 2006 at 2:11 pmModerated by Admin.
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August 1st, 2006 at 2:11 pm#33 I think your analogy is sound. And Brian, the IRA even had a rich financial sponsor overseas to count on - the United States, a significant segment of its population and tacit approval from its government.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:12 pm#98-madashell, I was thinking it too. She is the reason for that word to exist.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:13 pm#72....The right is allowed to give thier opinion to a mass audience and we even here are not.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:13 pmwhoa... as an old siouxsie sioux and the banshees fan, i take offense to have these flatulent douchebags called 'banshees'.
that is not the word. they do not deserve it.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:13 pmIt seems that the right is having some sort of contest where whoever comes up with the most outrageous thing to say about the Mideast crisis wins a prize. Maybe a stash of Limbaugh's illicit drugs?
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
August 1st, 2006 at 2:13 pmElection tampering lawsuit filed in the Busby/Bilbray CA - 50 race. Will GOP tricks get them in trouble?
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog.php
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August 1st, 2006 at 2:14 pm#94
No problem. Just want to be clear.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:14 pmAh actually the Third Reich would really dig the tactics undertaken by the Israeli's. Total War, ethnic cleansing, great propaganda.
History is replete with instances of the oppressed becoming the oppressor.
-GSD
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August 1st, 2006 at 2:16 pm#75
August 1st, 2006 at 2:16 pmYou make a good point, however, we are not dealing with children throwing punches. But let's go through your scenario. My children KNOW, that if one hits the other they will be punished, NOT TALKED TO. The one that gets hit knows that I will come down on the other one with both feet. And my punishment will be way worse than their hitting back could ever be. But in the world who is the Dad that can deal out the punishment? Should it be the UN? It should be, but they are worthless when it comes to being able to handle a unruly child, uh..country, uh...terrorist group, whatever. How many times did the UN tell Saddam, "you better stop or we will really punish you." ?How many times could you tell your children to stop hitting each other, "or else" , but there is never an or else? They will learn pretty quickly that you are not going to do anything. So should we be the Dad and deal out the punishment? That's when we get hit with " America is trying to take over the world", "Imperialist", "Who do they think they are?" Plus, if we want to use kids as an example, these are not your kids. They are someone else's kids. If you saw two kids fighting would you handle them the same as you would if it were you own kids fighting? Do your kids fight because one took the other one's toy? Or do they fight because they have hated each other since the day they were born? Just throwing some more stuff out there, and I am still trying to fing that official Hezbollah uniform. No luck yet.
So the right wheels out one of its tokens to say killing brown people is OK.
I smell fear.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:17 pm.
How many times did the UN tell Saddam, “you better stop or we will really punish you.†?
UN weapons inspectors destroyed his WMD arsenal.
I'm sorry, you were saying?
August 1st, 2006 at 2:18 pm.
Just what we need. Another Ann Coulter. Thanks Fox.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:19 pm#111 I would prefer to be orphan than son of an abusive father. But whatever, beat your children as many as you want. But don't act surprised when in a not so hypothetical future he raids the school with a M-16 and a couple grenades.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:20 pmHezbollah is a political party, hence they don't have uniforms. Would you see a republican wearing some kind of a uniform down the street, I don't think so- the same goes for the other parties.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:21 pmBut in the world who is the Dad that can deal out the punishment? Should it be the UN? It should be, but they are worthless when it comes to being able to handle a unruly child, uh..country, uh…terrorist group, whatever
the UN is the sum of its parts. Plus 5 nations can veto any formulation, even if every other country on the planet is in favour. The UN system is so ludicrously hamstrung and undemocratic because thats the way the nation states, particularly the large ones like it.
Imagine how little could be acheived in the US if every decision had to be ratified by a council of unelected state representatives, 5 of whom could individually veto any decision, with no comeback whatever? Imagine if those 5 states were New York, California, Utah, Ohio and Florida? Yeah, paralysis, which is exactly what you have globally.
The UN needs radical reform, but be assured a democratic UN will not favour the US. How could it? The world is currently at odds with the US on almost every major issue of substance.
The UN and the principal of global governance is not the problem, the nation states that comprise it are the problem.
I want a world that respects the rule of law. The first problem of course, is that we have no genuine global law, and the second problem is, no means to enforce it. Both are certainly addressable.
We rightly do not accept such a ludicrous state of affairs within our nation states, and we should be keen to change that same situation globally. Global governance, is the logical path for humans. Since the first tribal spat, we have aggregated into larger and larger groups. Whats one more iteration upward?
The real utopian view is imaginging that 190+ independently armed gangs, some with weapons that can destroy the entire planet, will simply muddle along without another major bump like WWII. The next one might actually finish us off as a spieces. Really, it’s time to stop playing this extended game of russian roulette and arrange a democratic, interntional system that actually works.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:22 pmGod! She's such an idiot.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:22 pmThe argument of "terrorists hide between civilians and you can distinguish them from regulars citizens" falls apart when you kill 37 children in a single raid.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:23 pmWell said #119
August 1st, 2006 at 2:24 pmThe argument of “terrorists hide between civilians and you can distinguish them from regulars citizens†falls apart when you kill 37 children in a single raid.
But, as you can see, the facts don't matter. The frustrated genocidal freaks on the right will keep spouting the same urban myths. Note that the IDF account of what led to Qana has changed, but the right keeps repeating the same justification.
But what do you expect from people so entirely stupid that they can't tell a blastocyst from a human being? Republicans are the dead weight of our civilization.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:26 pm.
And, the argument of "the UN is so ineffective" falls appart too, because in this case, the only one country with a veto shielding Israel and stopping a resolution to call for a truce is the USA. The USA is directly making the UN ineffective. If you want the UN to act, stop menacing a veto.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:26 pm#97
Your response shows how naive and femmonized you are. Of course no one wants war, but your comments are in step with the "peace at any price" crowd. Sometimes war is necessary, and people like you have no stomache for the realities of war. Cities were bombed in WWII. Innocenct civilians lost their lives. We defeated our enemies that way. Israel has shown considerable restraint, but how much can you do against an enemy who hides among innocents? What scares me is that some condemn Israel in every circumstance, and actually agree with the fanatics who call for their destruction.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:26 pm#123 And they have accomplished what, exactly?
August 1st, 2006 at 2:28 pmThe truth of the matter is the explosion at Qana is highly suspicious. Hezbollah and similar groups have no qualms about hiding under the skirts of women and children to carry out their nefarious aims. There's a good possibility that the explosion at Qana was either an accidental explosion of Hezbollah armaments stored there or even that Hezbollah themselves blew it up to gain sympathy for their cause.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:29 pmThe fact that most so-called Progressives would not even give Israel the benefit of the doubt on this issue shows they have cozzied up with the enemy far too long to be reasonable.
Conservatives have a right to be suspicious, especially after the so-called Jenin massacure, which turned out to be a staged, phony massacure.
#117 and Brian, we have the complaints about the UN and its inability to do anything be used as a rod for its back - as if the very hamstringing of the UN by the major powers has nothing to do with its inefficacy.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:29 pm#116
Hezbollah is a political party, hence they don’t have uniforms. Would you see a republican wearing some kind of a uniform down the street, I don’t think so- the same goes for the other parties.
Comment by observer — August 1, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
Do you see Republicans or Democrats launching rockets into Canada or Mexico?
August 1st, 2006 at 2:30 pmwhat is a femmon? how do get to be "femmonized"?
August 1st, 2006 at 2:31 pmwhere can i find it? obviously we need more femmons!
one word - WOW! Re: the censorship on this forum.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:31 pmTammy your comment shows how much you are not up to date with the news of this unjustified war
August 1st, 2006 at 2:31 pm#119
You"d have us believe that those childeren were targeted? Get your facts straight.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:33 pmAntagonist
August 1st, 2006 at 2:34 pmI don't see Canada or Mexico launching rockets into the US!!
Malkin is keen at exposing what she calls "left-wing cheerleaders for Hezbollah". My, should the time come when she focus on mass murder cheer leaders? That exercise should surely be flattering for her, it's in the self portrait genre...
August 1st, 2006 at 2:35 pmYour response shows how naive and femmonized you are.
Wow, that's beyond stupid right there. You are now spam. FOAD.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:36 pm.
#129
three guesses why?
August 1st, 2006 at 2:36 pmThe truth of the matter is the explosion at Qana is highly suspicious.
No, "truth" would involve fact. All you've given is someone else's opinion.
I guess you're not smart enough to come up with your own.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:37 pm.
#123 Antagonist
Sometimes war is necessary, and people like you have no stomache for the realities of war.
People like you would have no stomach for it if it happened to somone you cared about, like yourself. People like us don't need it to hit right in our own backyard before we start to care about it. That's called empathy. It's a little something that's been much of the reason for our species not having become extinct, yet.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:37 pmDo you see Republicans or Democrats launching rockets into Canada or Mexico?
Comment by Antagonist
Keep going, you've almost found a country called "I-R-A-Q".
August 1st, 2006 at 2:38 pm.
#121
But what do you expect from people so entirely stupid that they can’t tell a blastocyst from a human being? Republicans are the dead weight of our civilization.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan — August 1, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
The moment an egg is fertalized in a human being---it is human life. Making some kind of distinction here is only an attempt to assuage oneself from guilt. Those who say otherwise are the "entirely stupid."
August 1st, 2006 at 2:38 pmSometimes war is necessary, and people like you have no stomache for the realities of war.
Funny, that's what Supreme Court Justice Uncle Thomas said about Justice Stevens. Stevens is a navy vet of WWII, decorated even. Uncle Thomas is just another chicken-hawk like you.
This isn't a movie, lightweight.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:39 pm.
#124
We are not conversing in German are we?
August 1st, 2006 at 2:39 pmSometimes war is necessary, and people like you have no stomache for the realities of war. Cities were bombed in WWII. Innocenct civilians lost their lives.
You say this with such callous disregard!!! Yes. I have no stomach for the realities of war, 20 million in WWI, 50 million in WWII and 25 million+ in the last 60 years.
War is almost never genuinely required, most especially not when we (the West/Israel) have an overwhelming monopoly on military violence.
War should be criminalised and those who advocate it should be prosecuted, as we prosecute those who deny the holocaust. International structures should be negotiated and agreed to facilitate this. Or are you waiting for another 50 million to die?
August 1st, 2006 at 2:41 pm#128
The i is right next to o---easy mistake. I'll be sure to pounce on one of your typo's next time
August 1st, 2006 at 2:42 pmYouâ€d have us believe that those childeren were targeted? Get your facts straight.
Comment by Antagonist — August 1, 2006 @ 2:33 pm
They didn't specifically target the children, they just didn't care. Israel's armed forces were/are bombing all the buildings in Qana. That is an indiscrimate attack on civilian population. It is collective punishment, and a war crime.
We are past arguing who started it, or even if Hezbollah is to blame.
Israel became the only culprit from the moment they started blowing up civilian infrastructure.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:43 pmThe moment an egg is fertalized [sic] in a human being—it is human life.
See what I mean about dead weight?
At a single stage of blastocyst development, about 50% spontaneously abort. So, if life begins at conception, heaven is full of human caviar.
Learn some science, you drooling superstitious freak. The anti-abortion movement made up that crap about life beginning at conception in the 1800's, and soon they'll make up something else. And when they do, I'll laugh at that ignorant crap, too.
Take the bone out of your nose and try again.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:43 pm.
#123
Your response shows how naive and femmonized you are.
I'm not Alphonse, but I fell free to answer, because I agree with a lot he types. First, how killing children makes you a macho man? Second, WTH is femmonized? Macho speak for "thoughtful"?
Of course no one wants war,
You want war.
but your comments are in step with the “peace at any price†crowd.
Nope. I'm very aware that peace comes with a price. But you're not seeking peace. You are the one who doesn't know how to reach his objectives without war. You're the one who doesn't want to pay the price.
Sometimes war is necessary, and people like you have no stomache for the realities of war.
Define necessary. And, you don't tried a peaceful solution, how can you know that war is the only answer?
And, you don't know for what I have stomach (without e)
Cities were bombed in WWII. Innocenct civilians lost their lives. We defeated our enemies that way.
This was done pre-UN. And was a war crime. And it is today, yet. And, comparissions to the WWII here doesn't stick. Lebanon isn't Germany, Japan or even Russia in military terms. If you want comparissions, Israel is acting like the Germans. Remember, the doctrine of 10 civilians for 1 german soldier was a nazi one.
Israel has shown considerable restraint,
Don't make me laugh. This assertions falls by itself.
but how much can you do against an enemy who hides among innocents?
Ever heard of commando attacks? Police action? Curfews? Roadblocks? diplomacy with the Lebanon government?
Anywhow, shelling or bombing a house in a city from a plane flying at mach-1 isn't the ideal way to limit civilian casualties and, again, is a war crime.
What scares me is that some condemn Israel in every circumstance,
Because, in every circumstance from many years ago, they are the aggressors, and the victims, civilians. Answer this: who has the bigger army, Israel or Lebanon?
and actually agree with the fanatics who call for their destruction.
Comment by Antagonist — August 1, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
No, I don't agree with Hezbollah in killing civilians. But look at the civilian death tally. Israel has killed far more than Hezbollah. I don't call for the destruction of Israel, but for peace. And Israel has started the major operations of this war.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:44 pm#132
If they did, our political parties would not be launching rockets in return. Anything to make your point stick huh?
August 1st, 2006 at 2:44 pmThe truth is there is no longer any justification for war. EVery war ends with a negotiated settlement. We negotiated Peace with Germany, Japan, North Korea, Libya, England, Spain, almost any country you can think of. Every Federal Prosecuter negotiates a reduced sentence because at the conclusion of the trial, that's where the judge/jury is going to end up anyway. The intelligent thing to do is find the actual statesmen who can negotiate the peace BEFORE the war breaks out.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:45 pm#134
Your response shows how naive and femmonized you are.
Wow, that’s beyond stupid right there. You are now spam. FOAD.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan — August 1, 2006 @ 2:36 pm
Code for---I can't muster an argument.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:46 pm#141 So if Israel had not hit Lebanon so hard, we would be speaking German?
Well, I'm convinced. Let's all go to war.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:46 pmAntagonist
Yes of course they will use diplomacy while their rockets finishes all of your infrastructure.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:49 pm#136
The truth of the matter is the explosion at Qana is highly suspicious.
No, “truth†would involve fact. All you’ve given is someone else’s opinion.
I guess you’re not smart enough to come up with your own.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan — August 1, 2006 @ 2:37 pm
In your mind there can be only one explanation---Israel is barbaric! Sorry, but reasonable people believe better of them than that.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:49 pm#145 At a single stage of blastocyst development, about 50% spontaneously abort. So, if life begins at conception, heaven is full of human caviar.
Comment by Grand Moff Texan — August 1, 2006 @ 2:43 pm
Gosh, that was hylarious.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:49 pmI love the we're not speaking German are we? So if bombing innocent civilians keeps our country "safe", you're all for it. Great, genocide for your Cadillac. Beautiful.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:49 pm#142
...War should be criminalised and those who advocate it should be prosecuted, as we prosecute those who deny the holocaust. International structures should be negotiated and agreed to facilitate this. Or are you waiting for another 50 million to die?
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 1, 2006 @ 2:41 pm
That will never happen on Earth. You may as well get used to reality instead.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:51 pm…War should be criminalised and those who advocate it should be prosecuted, as we prosecute those who deny the holocaust. International structures should be negotiated and agreed to facilitate this. Or are you waiting for another 50 million to die?
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 1, 2006 @ 2:41 pm
That will never happen on Earth. You may as well get used to reality instead.
Comment by Antagonist — August 1, 2006 @ 2:51 pm
You sound so pleased ... why?
August 1st, 2006 at 2:53 pm#141
We are not conversing in German are we?
Comment by Antagonist — August 1, 2006 @ 2:39 pm
Non sequitur. And a trite one at that.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:54 pmNo if we are to grow and survive on this planet you have to change reality. Every political group will soon have nuclear weapons or biologic weapons, no one can stop them. It has become too easy to obtain. When you piss off Greenpeace or PETA in the future, their militant wing may give you a glowing surprise. We have to change.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:55 pmjay? did you look it up yet? ...for others, f.y.i.:
Tokyo Rose was a name given by Allied forces in the South Pacific during World War II to any of several English-speaking female broadcasters of Japanese propaganda.
The name is usually associated, erroneously, with Iva Toguri D'Aquino (born Ikuko Toguri, July 4, 1916, Los Angeles, California), a United States citizen visiting relatives in Japan at the start of the war. In 1949, perjured testimony led to D'Aquino being convicted of treason by the United States government. She was released after six years and later pardoned by U.S. President Gerald Ford, who also restored her citizenship.
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it's a good story... lots more if you google it...
August 1st, 2006 at 2:55 pm#152
In your mind there can be only one explanation—Israel is barbaric!
Hey, we agree!
Sorry, but reasonable people believe better of them than that.
Comment by Antagonist — August 1, 2006 @ 2:49 pm
Oh, we no longer agree :(
August 1st, 2006 at 2:55 pmCode for—I can’t muster an argument.
Comment by Antagonist
Yes, that's what I was pointing out. Someone who can't even spell feminized (nor explain what it has to do with framing an opinion) just disqualified himself with his own stupidity.
Sad that I have to explain everything to you, you weak little thing.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:55 pm.
It has become too easy to obtain. When you piss off Greenpeace or PETA in the future, their militant wing may give you a glowing surprise. We have to change.
Comment by bones — August 1, 2006 @ 2:55 pm
Jesus!!! Grim. I hadn't thought of THAT. Thanks for the additional compelling argument .... food for thought.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:57 pm#161 why does the use of a condescending and mysoginist statement qualify as an argument?
August 1st, 2006 at 2:57 pmIn your mind there can be only one explanation—Israel is barbaric!
What else do you call people who bomb innocent people, blow up children in job lots?
Israel because of it's history has monopolized victimhood to such a sickening degree, that it is "politically incorrect" to point out their crimes, because that is considered "anti-semitic". I do not want to kill Israelies or destroy Israel, and I condem those that do.
However, I reject the idea that Isreal should continue to be handled with kid gloves because of history. I reject the idea that the holocaust belongs to them, it was an atrocity against humans. It belongs to us all, and I have zero hesitation in using it to highlight their monstrous hypocrisy. It is a perverse irony that they use the tragedy of the holocaust, the strong exterminating the weak, as cover for their crimes.
They have bascially destroyed Lebanon as an object lesson (which will go unlearned, such lessons always do), literally taken 700 civilians at random and killed them. If that doesn’t make you a Nazi what does?
August 1st, 2006 at 3:05 pm115
August 1st, 2006 at 3:12 pmDiscipline is not abuse. I love them enough to give them rules, boundries and limitations. Just like my father gave me.
#165 Comment by mike — August 1, 2006 @ 3:12 pm
See what I mean? You've become a hardcore neocon. Beating kids make them adult murderers.
/Sarcasm (?) off
August 1st, 2006 at 3:23 pmKirsten Powers echoed and agreed with Malkin's point. Anything and everything is used as an excuse to hate Israel and the US. I don't see TP leftoids having a problem with Kirsten. Why did judd ignore her statements on Mr Bill's program last night? Oh I know, TP's dishonest "hard-hitting research" only hits conservatives.
August 1st, 2006 at 3:23 pmHas anyone yet definitively accounted for the 8 hours that lapsed between the IDF attack in Qana and the collapse of the building that housed so many of the dead? I haven't heard any more on that as of late.
August 1st, 2006 at 3:24 pmAnyway back to the point, when you dismiss the "outrage" of a group of people because you killed 34 children, as if they were "outraged' that they got a cup of coffe that wasn't hot enough, you are an evil pathologic sociopath.
August 1st, 2006 at 3:24 pm#167 Maybe because right wingers can't come to terms with the idea that we want to stop terrorists, but we also don't want to kill civilians.
Malkin's suggestion that outrage at the deaths of women and children is "manufactured" is disgusting. Perhaps if Malkin and Coulter ever "enjoy the deaths" of their loved ones they would change their tune, but their loved ones probably wouldn't go near a war zone anyway. That ilk prefer to lob rhetorical shells from the comfort of their pajamas.
August 1st, 2006 at 3:26 pm…War should be criminalised and those who advocate it should be prosecuted, as we prosecute those who deny the holocaust. International structures should be negotiated and agreed to facilitate this. Or are you waiting for another 50 million to die?
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 1, 2006 @ 2:41 pm
That will never happen on Earth. You may as well get used to reality instead.
We may as well release Saddam, in that case. All he did was make war and you don't think that should be illegal.
August 1st, 2006 at 3:30 pmchase,
bill clinton was in qana and he did it...you are safe--
August 1st, 2006 at 3:31 pm#172 - Oh good.
I'm really curious about this, though.
August 1st, 2006 at 3:32 pmhaving beat my head against too many walls over the years, attempting to enlighten the unenlightened, i will have to concede that there are those who are incapable of connecting the dots regardless of how well presented the argument may be.
brian coughlan, keep up the good fight. you do a wonderful job of articulating your position. somehow, though, the old saw of "casting pearls before swine" comes to mind. you can lead a horse to water, but.....
now, i'll cross my fingers and hope that this isn't "moderated."
"you must be the change that you wish to see in the world" ghandi
August 1st, 2006 at 3:39 pmSDR, you've got to KEEP beating your head against the wall. Like Ghandi and Martin Luther King, and Nelson Mandela - change will only come about when we all struggle everyday for that change, even if beaten or killed.
August 1st, 2006 at 3:43 pmI wonder why you MODERATE americans don't raise your voices so that the rest of the world can hear someone else other than those we see on TV all the time?!!
August 1st, 2006 at 3:48 pmbones,
i find that "beating my head against walls" only produces a headache. i would prefer, rather, to live my life in such a way that provides an attractive example. i have learned that i am responsible only for my actions, not those of others. i can affect my immediate sphere of influence with my actions and thus be the proverbial pebble in the pond -- hopefully those ripples will have their intended effect?
allow me to share an inspiring poem by edgar a. guest...
Sermons We See
I'd rather see a sermon than hear one any day;
I'd rather one should walk with me than merely tell the way.
The eye's a better pupil and more willing than the ear,
Fine counsel is confusing, but example's always clear;
And the best of all the preachers are the men who live their creeds,
For to see good put in action is what everybody needs.
I soon can learn to do it if you'll let me see it done;
I can watch your hands in action, but your tongue too fast may run.
And the lecture you deliver may be very wise and true,
But I'd rather get my lessons by observing what you do;
For I might misunderstand you and the high advise you give,
But there's no misunderstanding how you act and how you live.
pax
August 1st, 2006 at 3:54 pmAnd my Chicago suburban paper has recently added her to their list of op-ed contributors.
August 1st, 2006 at 4:00 pmI have written twice to the editor.
It's been said here before -- when a sniper is holding a kindergarten hostage, you don't fire a missile into the school.
When a terrorist is using a hospital as a shield, you don't blow up the hospital.
This is madness and it is advocated by morons like Malkin and her stupid, stupid comments.
Israel is losing public support around the world with their indiscriminate murder of innocents. Many who once felt Israel should have their support are re-thinking their positions. Israel has not been sincere in negotiating peace -- they are as radical as the Iranians who call for the elimination of Israel.
August 1st, 2006 at 4:07 pmThese people talk past each other, each one believing their enemy is less human. An honest broker would intercede - instead, we send the incompetent Rice who was told to just go home. We have a president who says they need a few more weeks to kill people before we agree to press for a cease-fire.
This is madness! Jon Stewart opined that perhaps it will stop when they run out of people.
having beat my head against too many walls over the years...
Comment by SDR — August 1, 2006 @ 3:39 pm
this one's for you:
This Modern World - You were wrong, wrong, wrong about everything!
August 1st, 2006 at 4:07 pmBy Tom Tomorrow
well, it's for ALL of us...
August 1st, 2006 at 4:08 pmI think i may have been a copy editor in a past life so lemme fix that up:
"Last night on The O’Wingnut Factor, Michelle McWacky said anger in the Western world about the tragedy at The World Trade Center — where at least 3000 innocent civilians, including 8 children, were killed — was “manufactured.†McWacky called it “the crusade du jour†that “members of the religion of perpetual outrage are always ginning up.†She added, “If it’s not 9/11, it’s something else. … It’s evolution, homo nups. It’s Janet Jackson's nipple.â€
August 1st, 2006 at 4:09 pmSDR!
don't give up the ship! hell, you haven't even begun to be 'moderated'!!
come back.
August 1st, 2006 at 4:15 pmJust finished watching 5x15 of the X-Files. Remember them? The episode is a "prequel", and set in the 1950's. I was struck by the comment Hoover makes to an FBI agent.
HOOVER: ... in less than seven years the odds have changed from nine to one in our favor, to eight to five against us. The threat of global communist domination is a reality that can be ignored only at the risk of our own annihilation.
DALES: The men we arrested weren't communists.
HOOVER: If we are to defeat the enemy, we must use their tools. We must go further. We must do those things which even our enemies would be ashamed to do. It is only through strength that we can make our enemies fear us, and thereby ensure our own survival. You have one chance, Mr. Dales, to save yourself--to demonstrate that you have the strength to serve your country.
What is especially interesting is the tone of the piece, the clear disapproval by the writer of what Hoover is saying, the sense of brutality he is trying to instill.
Yet, here we are a mere 7 or 8 years later, were people daily post worse, and people consider Jack Bauer to be an honourable and brave protector of freedom. Food for thought.
August 1st, 2006 at 4:19 pmMichelle is almost right. It's Qana AND Abu Ghraib AND Gitmo AND ...
August 1st, 2006 at 4:32 pmI agree with her for once.
August 1st, 2006 at 4:48 pmLebanon is majority Hezbollah.
The sooner we start calling this a real war -not an attempt to quell terrorists- the sooner we can accept these extraneous deaths.
You can follow the rightwing apologists by simply going to the National Review and its The Corner. Jonah Goldberg keeps linking to garbage that he touts as true which claims Qana never happened. Meanwhile, Rich Lowry writes an oped that says while it did occur, it's the fault of the Arabs not Israel. Folks - their garbage is hurting us and helping the cause of the terrorists. But hey - what do they care? As long as they can make money off of war (see Lawrence Kudlow's latest) and given that they'll never be on the front lines - war is good.
August 1st, 2006 at 4:50 pmThe sooner we start calling this a real war -not an attempt to quell terrorists- the sooner we can accept these extraneous deaths.
Comment by Total Information Awareness — August 1, 2006 @ 4:48 pm
Terrorism can not be defeated militarily. It never has been, and it never will be. It is a utopian, blood soaked fools paradise to think otherwise.
So ask yourself the following questions. Are you prepared to see millions of people killed, perhaps tens of thousands of American troops slaughtered? Plus the potential global economic collapse due to the inevitable energy crisis that this will bring on? Are you independently wealthy? Do you own your own home ... completely? Are you able to heat your home without electricity? Do you have a short daily commute?
If your answer to any of the above is NO, you need this thing to stop, right now. It's that simple.
August 1st, 2006 at 4:54 pmDiscipline is not abuse. I love them enough to give them rules, boundries and limitations. Just like my father gave me. Comment by mike
And if we Americans love Israelis, we can give them rules, boundaries, and limitations. We can discipline them if they violate those boundaries. And we can do that without seeming to "support" Hezbollah.
August 1st, 2006 at 4:58 pm[...] What I admittedly should’ve expected, but was yet again shocked by, is the response from the American Right. Going down the talking points well, they yet again found the response they had geared up after the Bush Administration failed the people after Katrina: Blame the victims for being in the way. In a post about one of these responses, Michelle Malkin (who is pictured making face like she’s defecating in the Fox News bathroom while giving her commentary) trumpeted the Katrina-esque talking points. O’REILLY: Then why — why doesn’t the rest of the world accept your analysis? [...]
August 1st, 2006 at 5:23 pmIf Malkin “hit it out of the ballpark†again then she must have been playing American Football…
Why would there be outrage about…
Qana - Innocent civilians killed
Guantanamo - Innocent civilians jailed (If they weren’t innocent then why have some of them been released?)
Abu Ghraib - People being tortured against the Geneva Conventions
I just can’t understand why decent human beings could be outraged by any of these things.
Comment by Zwack — August 1, 2006 @ 12:18 pm
yeah where is the outrage...
http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/25953.htm
http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-07-09T195739Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-258854-1.xml&archived=False
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050808-121804-4322r.htm
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8090
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/12/01/email/cohen/
August 1st, 2006 at 5:29 pmMight do dooty- the day you can give advice to progressives, oh yeah that was that apple thing with Eve. Getting respect from fascist baby killers is not any kind of "respect" any progressive wants. Thanks.
August 1st, 2006 at 6:00 pmtheir men would kill them if they stepped out without their permission... but that is tolerance after all...
August 1st, 2006 at 6:01 pmSettle down folks - I have some breaking news, please do not run for the exits, we have some biting, mesmerizing, rabid flesh eating kangaroo laser like insight for you...
Mesell Malkontent of Faux News, the gripping cutting edge metaphorist megamedia propaganda outlet, a non-contributor of the pasty pedantry and PIG's [Pundits in General], spouts 'demon duck du jour', and claims, somehow, she knows, somehow, that Hezbollah is just a beauty pagent...
August 1st, 2006 at 6:09 pmwow! moderated out fourteen (14) posts on this thread! hope you caught them all...
August 1st, 2006 at 6:19 pmMA is so full of herself - only she the mighty omniscient one - knows the facts.
August 1st, 2006 at 6:26 pmExcuse anyone else for thinking different than she does.
Israel DID have support around the world when they retaliated against Hezbollah. It was their insane overkill of civilians that turned world opinion against them.
#42
Do you actually think that Hezbollah would leave their dead terrorists in order for the media to get a head count? BTW how many Hezbollah terrorists do you think it takes to launch four rockets? A couple maybe?
August 1st, 2006 at 6:35 pmJonser, you mean like this history lesson?
August 1st, 2006 at 6:39 pmhttp://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092002.html
So Counting, do you feel comments by Chopper and his Andrew Dice Clay racist remarks are a positive contribution to the conversation? Seriously, what is your opinion other than your observations?
August 1st, 2006 at 6:44 pmmarie,
yes, there isn't much nuance or interpretation to even understand with that one... all one needs to do is track the news and you will see that the arab league and other countries increase their disgust towards israel daily; and the recent massacre in qana pushed most of the world away from the olmert crime family and towards a more realistic view of things.
ignore the mighty hermaphrodite and it and chase and exley and the other trolls will eventually leave.
August 1st, 2006 at 6:45 pmSmart Money, I beg to differ, Exely has always been cordial in the delivery of his/her points and provided reasonable arguments. The question should be is this forum a place to express opinions, sans the personal attacks, or is it a place to pis on a tree as it were?
August 1st, 2006 at 6:53 pm#48
Hezbollah is opperating ILLEGALLY in Lebanon so they shouldn't have even thought about touching those Isrealis soldiers regardless.
"But of course, a few Katushka rockets falling on Israel is a small price to pay for an excuse to totally decimate Lebanon."
EVERY Katusha rocket that Hezbollah fires at an Isreali city is by definition a terrorist attack. They let those "dumb" rockets fly towards CIVILIAN population centers not knowing where they are going to land and deliberately launch them NOT to try and hit Israeli IDF targets but in order to kill civilians, is exactly what terrorists do.
August 1st, 2006 at 7:07 pmMan that Exley is such a loser. Knee jerk Republican like Michelle Malkin. I bet Exley probably never served in the military and probably never will.
August 1st, 2006 at 7:22 pmflyboy,
how does this statement of mine, directed to marie, experiencing frustration with the opaqueness of selected trolls to reason:
ignore the mighty hermaphrodite and it and chase and exley and the other trolls will eventually leave.
in any way related to your response:
The question should be is this forum a place to express opinions, sans the personal attacks
The question should be is this forum a place to express opinions, sans the personal attack
the perception that one or another troll has a distorted, impenetrable perception of reality, is not a personal attack. it is an attack on the non-existence of an opponent who makes no sense.
August 1st, 2006 at 7:53 pmflyboy,
how does this statement of mine, directed to marie, experiencing frustration with the opaqueness of selected trolls to reason:
ignore the mighty hermaphrodite and it and chase and exley and the other trolls will eventually leave.
in any way related to your response:
The question should be is this forum a place to express opinions, sans the personal attacks
The question should be is this forum a place to express opinions, sans the personal attack
the perception that one or another troll has a distorted, impenetrable perception of reality, is not a personal attack. it is an attack on the non-existence of an opponent who makes sense.
August 1st, 2006 at 7:54 pmand, of course, flyboy completely ignores the meat of the note to marie about the inability of one of your beloved trolls to understand, by simply reading, the shift in the level of displeasure of the world towards israel.
rather than address the underlying point, you glom onto a tangential comment about trolls. this is a weak argumentative non-technique that so many of you trolls use, with no success, that one would expect you learn from your mistakes. but, trolls, bush apologists, do not make mistakes...i forgot.
August 1st, 2006 at 7:57 pmSh'e freakin ugly to beat. Ya can't beat.
August 1st, 2006 at 8:42 pmHoly crap, lots of moderated comments on this thread! I guess Malkin is so vile, she brings out the ugly in people. I hate it when Bill O'Reilly sounds almost like the voice of reason.
August 1st, 2006 at 9:34 pm#191...Excellent point, Zwack...The selective outrage of many of the posters on this site is quite remarkable and inexplicable.
And # 202 Fly-man, thank you for your comments. Whether or not you agree with my underlying conclusions, I have always strived to be cordial and back up my points with facts and reason.
August 1st, 2006 at 11:20 pmEveryone in southern Lebanon is a terrorist and is connected to Hezbollah," roared Israeli Justice Minister Haim Ramon on July 27.
"Every village from which a Katyusha is fired must be destroyed," bellowed an Israeli general in a quote bannered by the nation's largest newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth
Courtesy of Pat Buchanan http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14311.htm
Also:
"Israel’s actions in the Lebanon are in clear contravention of the 1949 Geneva Convention. Article 51 of the First Protocol states, “The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack.†Article 52 states, “Attacks shall be limited strictly to military objectives....â€
As Arbour explained, “Indiscriminate shelling of cities constitutes a foreseeable and unacceptable targeting of civilians.
“Similarly, the bombardment of sites with alleged military significance, but resulting invariably in the killing of innocent civilians, is unjustifiable.â€
Israel has no defence against such charges. Its claim to be targeting Hezbollah and a supposed infrastructure of terrorism is obscene, given the scale of its actions against the entire Lebanese people."
Sorry but those of you who insist like the Chimp and his Organ Grinders that Israel is blameless are indulging in moral imbecility - out of their own mouths. If indiscrimimate targeting by Hizbollah is obscene, then deliberate targeting of civilians by Israel is more so. You'd think Israel would have learned a thing or two about genocide
August 1st, 2006 at 11:42 pmWell said, TerrytheTurtle.
August 1st, 2006 at 11:50 pmRed Cross workers and residents of Qana, where Israeli bombing killed at least 60 civilians, have told IPS that no Hezbollah rockets were launched from the city before the Israeli air strike.
The Israeli military has said it bombed the building in which several people had taken shelter, more than half of them children, because the Army had faced rocket fire from Qana. The Israeli military has said that Hezbollah was therefore responsible for the deaths.
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:04 amNo Hezbollah Rockets Fired from Qana
Malkin has her mouth open in the pic, so shove a sock in it, and then tape it shut fast > lol.
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:58 amMalkin is a stupid CHINK! WE SHOULD SEND THAT BITCH BACK TO CHINA!
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:41 amWhat's the point debating these Nazis?
Just turn off Fox and tell everyone you know to do the same. Murdoch is a fascist through and through.
August 2nd, 2006 at 5:00 amExley, have you ever served in the military?
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:15 am#214 A dirty sock, Jay.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:02 amIt's just obvious that anybody who disagrees with our holy war hates America.
I tell my congregation to hate all faggots, democrats and Muslims.
I am a man of God, and all those who don't follow his absolute truth deserve to burn for all eternity.
God has spoken, and he wishes for the deaths of the Iraqis. He has spoken, and he is the absolute truth. God is pro-war and pro-life. By bombing we protect life. You communists are so ineducated you dont understand. You shall burn. We shall develop better weapons to secure our holy world.
Rev Neill, Oklahoma.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:18 amReverend Salman Neill
And you call your self a man of God. It's mentioned in the Holy Quran that "he who kills a man as if he killed all humanbeings".
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:25 amObserver,
I note that you are referring to the text of the Muslims, who claim to believe in some bizarre 'spiritual being'. Christianity is different because the lord says it is true. You are nothing than a Muslim/Homosexual/Communist sympathiser.
It is despicable to question a man of God, and you shall be held accountable. Those who learn to love shall not be held accountable.
- Rev Neill.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:35 amReverend Salman Neill
muslims, christians and jews all believe in GOD who sent prophets to convey his message to his creatures, the only difference between Islam and the two other religions is that part of our belief is to believe in all books and prophets prior to Islam.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:40 am[...] I say we offer up all the chicken hawks and right wing screaming heads to the people of the Middle East as a peace offering. We can start with the blonde banshee and her brunette counterpart, then Rush Limbaugh, the GOP, and then end with Karl Rove. Posted by syreene | [...]
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:49 amObserver,
You are wrong. You will find that the Muslims are different in that they believe in a non-true entity. Only the Christians (and to a lesser extent, the Jews have got it right). The Muslims have started many wars in the name of their bizarre entity. Christians haven't.
Think about it....how likely is it that an ordinary man named Mohammed was supposedly the chosen one? Christianity is different as it has the BIBLE to prove Jesus Christ Almighty was the one....Muslims dont have a BIBLE, therefore they are not real.
-Neill.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:53 amWe don't have a Bible, but we have the Holy Quran in which we are adviced to meditate in the universe and see how life started by GOD (Allah). We believe that Allah chose Mohammad-peace be upon him- to convey his message to all people not just the arabs just as Jesus was chosen to advice the people of Israel in Palestine. And speaking of wars, you have started the crusades in the name of christianity.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:04 amThe Muslims have started many wars in the name of their bizarre entity. Christians haven’t.
Comment by Reverend Salman Neill — August 2, 2006 @ 8:53 am
OH, sorry to bother you, Reverend, but how about the one thousand war against scientific knowledge?
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:05 amIt's just obvious Juan C and Observer hate America and GOD ALMIGHTY. Don't you dare question Christianity....we are always right!!! How dare you! Christianity has always been about learning and love. Many times we have had war thrust upon us; other times we have had to slow the progress of scientific expansion so as to protect the less fortunate.
Many things the current athiest/communist scientists propose have been proven incorrect; they are as follows:
1) Cell theory
2) Evolution
3) Big Bang
4) Climate change. All of these things are incorrect, and Christianity has a right to protect the truth. I speak for mainstream (and educated) America.
Rev Neill, Oklahoma.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:14 am"It’s just obvious Juan C and Observer hate America and GOD ALMIGHTY."
Comment by Reverend Salman Neill — August 2, 2006 @ 9:14 am
Where from my comment do you reach to such a conclusion?!
The likes of you give Christians a bad name. Religion and science are meant to work together to create a better world for humans. The Holy Quran mentioned " People of science are the ones who fear Allah the most" because by their research they find out the great power that is behind this amazing life.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:23 amObserver,
There you go again, referring to Allah. It's obvious that you are a muslim sympathiser. Allah Akbar to you too.
'The likes of you give Christians a bad name'.......your words. There you go, critisizing Christianity.
-Neill.
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:00 amI think Rev Neill is a parody. He's quite funny, IMHO.
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:00 pmRev Neill
Allah or God what is the difference, these are names only. It all comes to believing and worshipping. Having someone or something that you return to in your best or worst hours.
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:09 pmRev Neill is going straight to Hell > he does NOT know GOD from a doorknob > he is a spawn of Satan as is Bush who he worships!
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:18 pmThis was my first clue about the Rev:
Come on Rev, say something else, quote some Revelations or something...
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:43 pmThere are al Queda terrorist cells in the phillipines, lets start bombing civilians over there until we hit someone related to michelle (I wish i was ann coulter) malkin. I mean what do these people want? justice, compassion? these so called people in the club med of prisons Abu Gahrib, and gitmo should pay for the privilege of being tortured in such a place. How about this one MM, we arrest all filipinos and hold them as 'SUSPECTED" terrorist, you wouldn't complain about a couple of months vacation at gitmo. of course you wouldn't be entitled to any defense or knowledge of any evidence against you, but as you know 9/11 changed everything. You wouldn't complain like them sissies being killed and tortured as you back this treatment. After all you do have brown skin and slanty eyes, so you must be guilty of something, don't worry us chicken littles on the left will speak up for your constitutional rights, but it will be tough to convince real Americans like ann c. and rush no balls that you do have rights.
This woman is embaressing herself by trying to be like Ann Coulter, she used to write an article in the philly daily news till they dumped her, for a reason i'm not familiar with, she was a hard line conservative but i guess she seen all the attention AC was getting so she joined the lunatic fringe so she could get her face on Fox news. Have you noticed the act A. Coulter is now putting on. She comes on Fox (as a guest almost everyday) with her eyes painted completely black, playing the part of the evil witch, same dress every time, trying to be more outrageous than the last time, the act is getting old and poor Malkin no matter how hard she tries just can't get the rteaction that Annie girl gets. Maybe she should invest in some short black dresses and racoon eyes. Poor MM was thrown off of chris mathews show and ann got praised by matthews for being a genius. Keep on ranting mickey, (pssst how about some poison in ann's latte) just a thought. LOL you stinking loser
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:10 pmLOL from Abu Gahirab, and Gitmo to beauty pageants? someone's intoxicated alright, I think MM has been drinking her own bathwater LOL
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:14 pmTO THE REV.:
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:49 pmWasn't it god who started all this. And by the way the bible says the jews are god's chosen and since the bible is proof positive that there is a god, well then sorry rev. you been had, bamboozled, led astray. You are so dillusional it's pathetic
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August 2nd, 2006 at 2:03 pmDid you see the the look of hatred and evil in Malkin's eyes? Scary she has a forum to spew her ignorant rants!
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:59 pmI was going to write to Fox and say we don't need a Coulter wannabee - but thought - hey - let them keep making asses of themselves. It only helps the ones who actually tell the truth!
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:04 pmI want to know: is everybody you leftards disagree with a nazi?
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:12 pmYou should be outraged at the killing at Qana. Outraged at Hezbollah for using innocent people as shields and firing rockets from an area where kids were living. Where is the outrage????
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:21 pmI heard a song the other day - "I ain't afraid of your churches. I ain't afraid of your temples. I ain't afraid of your prayin. I am afraid of what you do in the name of your God."
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:21 pm#242 - depends on the color of the shirts in your wardrobe, Adolph
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:35 pmI am outraged - however, if you read the reports from the red cross and many news agencies THAT WERE THERE and filed reports independently of each other you would know that there were no rockets fired from that area. I am outraged at an administration that has lost so much credibility that even if they wanted they couldn't stop this slaugher or the one going on in Iraq. Come on Tom - get educated and stop just paying attention to the spin masters. Learn to do some research and think independently!!
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:55 pmFUN WITH WORDS FROM FOX NEWS
O’REILLY: Then why — why doesn’t the rest of the world accept your analysis?
MALKIN: Because I am intoxicated. and have been for the past several decades. And I think it behooves us to fight against that. I'm always ginning up, that's why I never won any beauty pageants. Members of the religion of perpetual intoxication are clouded by this moral equivalence.
O’REILLY: OH, I got it. I got it. I got it.
August 2nd, 2006 at 4:18 pmI am tired of being labeled as being so against Israel and for the terrorist. I am not against anybody. I am against the actions. There has to be some reason here. I have always been proud to be an American but it is hard to do these days - even though we have a great country (if we don't screw it up to bad). Osama and any other anti americans are probably just smiling because they are doing to us exactly what they set out to do - Osama even said he would bankrupt us and our military. Hmmmm - how much is going to this war and how is our military holding up? Score for Osama. You right wing/hate mongers are playing right into the enemies hand. So who exactly does that make the patriots!!!! #215 - you are a low life!!!
August 2nd, 2006 at 4:19 pmHow old is this Malkin anyway? - anybody know who the hell she is to give her thoughts to anybody?
August 2nd, 2006 at 4:21 pm#242 - anybody with a name like "I hate liberals" does not deserve any answers because your closed little mind wouldn't understand!
August 2nd, 2006 at 4:23 pmRed Cross, objective observers? ROTFLOL! They are about as objective as Democracy NOW or Al-jezzera. Aren't they the same organization that refused to condemn the Red Crescent groups in "Palestine" for using their ambulances to smuggle terrorists and terrroist armaments around the West Bank?!
August 2nd, 2006 at 4:24 pmThe day that the International Red Cross stops hinding behind the anti-semitism of the Red Crescent crowd and and allows Magen David Adom full membership in the International Red Cross and allows them to use a Red Star of David as their logo, I'll believe their word means a damn.
#251 - The Red Cross and the Red Crescent movement incorporated the emblem of the Red Crystal and admitted Magen David Adom on June 22nd. You can go to the U.S. Department of State website and read it yourself! gotta leave the website now - life calls me.
August 2nd, 2006 at 4:49 pmI’ll believe their word means a damn.
Comment by Tammy — August 2, 2006 @ 4:24 pm
How do you like your crow cooked, Ms Tammy? Medium or rare?
Since June 2006, Magen David Adom is officially recognized by the International Committee of the Red Cross as the national aid society of the state of Israel according to the Geneva Conventions, and a member of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.
Wikipedia - Magen David Adom
the ICRC has now recognized the Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) and the Israeli National Society and Magen David Adom (MDA), and the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies will admit both National Societies.[
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:21 pmWikipedia - Emblems of the Red Cross
Nasty,nasty woman.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:11 pmThe Red Crystal is a joke. It was a band-aid to the real problem, the anti-semitic leanings of the Arab members of the International Red Cross. They would only admit MDA if they gave up their Red Star of David in favor of a diamond/crystal symbol. Let's see: First aid societiese in Christian countries can use a Red Cross, which is a religious symbol; First Aid societies in Muslim countries can use a Red Crescent, which is also a religious symbol, but First aid societies in Jewish countries (of which there's only one) want to use a Red Star of David can't use their religious symbol and must succumb to Muslim bigotry and dhimmitude by accepting a Red Crystal? That's fair?!
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:15 pmIf you think that's fair accomadation, I have a bridge to sell you in San Francisco. Beautiful view, lots of liberal neighours.
Another thing, if you consider Wikipedia as an objective source of information, your even more crazy than I could have ever imagined.
When the IRC tells the Muslim bigots in their ranks to shove it and allow the MDA to use their Red Magen David without commentary, then I'll believe they have any moral imperative at all, right now, they're just Muslim cuddling Dhimmis.
ROFLMAO, HEY #251 TAMMY, HOW DOES THAT SHIT SANDWICH TASTE , ROFLMFAO X 10. OPEN MOUTH INSERT FOOT LOL. as Ralph Kramden would say A-HOMANA HOMANA HOMANA, LOL
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:25 pm# 255 I heard Funk and Wagnalls, Britannica and Webster were anti semite also. LOL LET THE SPIN BEGIN.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:30 pmNewsflash 256! Forcing MDA to accept a Red Crystal as a symbol of their participation in the IRC is NOT inclusion, it is NOT full membership; it's accomadation to anti-semitism and you're dumb enough to fall for it.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:37 pmI want to know: is everybody you leftards disagree with a nazi?
Comment by I Hate Liberals
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No.
Just you and Cheney.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:43 pmThey would only admit MDA if they gave up their Red Star of David in favor of a diamond/crystal symbol.
Comment by Tammy — August 2, 2006 @ 7:15 pm
Fact remains the MDA has full membership to the ICRC, and the Red Crystal is the official symbol from now on.
Let’s see: First aid societiese in Christian countries can use a Red Cross, which is a religious symbol
The Red Cross emblem was modeled after the Swiss flag in the 1860s because the founder of the Red Cross was a Swiss man. It was the very first emblem.
First Aid societies in Muslim countries can use a Red Crescent, which is also a religious symbol,
The Red Crescent was first used in the 1880s, before Israel existed as a country.
but First aid societies in Jewish countries (of which there’s only one) want to use a Red Star of David can’t use their religious symbol
The ICRC decided in the 1920s not to accept any further emblems to avoid proliferation and confusion. The Star of David was submitted after that decision was made. Also, the ICRC has declined to accept Hindu religious symbols for the same reason.
and must succumb to Muslim bigotry and dhimmitude by accepting a Red Crystal? That’s fair?!
Well, Indian help organisations have accepted to use the Red Cross emblem, and so have Chinese organisations...
If you think that’s fair accomadation, I have a bridge to sell you in San Francisco. Beautiful view, lots of liberal neighours.
Must I understand you don't live there, and think it's the worst thing that can happen to anyone?
Another thing, if you consider Wikipedia as an objective source of information, your even more crazy than I could have ever imagined.
The Wikipedia, biased!? Wow... conspiracy theories, anyone?
And if you don't like the Wikipedia's entry, it has links to all the information it provides so you can read for yourself.
they’re just Muslim cuddling Dhimmis.
So -the next worst thing to living in San Francisco is to hug a Muslim. How about hugging a Muslim in San Francisco; would that kill you instantly?
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:32 pma) Where is the outcry of Hezbollah's indescriminate attacks? Are we perpetuating a double-standard?
b) What value to you give a group that entrenches itself with civilians as it carries out attacks? When you stand behind women and children and fire missles at civilian targets, how can we offer ANY support for them. Shame and eternal punishment on those that do such. I can't understand using my wife and kids as shields or those of my neighbors. For shame.
c) From the news articles, it seems scant criticism of Lebonese officials and the Lebonese people against Hezbolloh. Is it for fear of reprisal, support for Hezbollah, or mutual hatred of Israel? It is moral equivocation to support evil to accomplish what seems a "good" end.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:34 pmHas it occurred to anybody that the raving rev is just a spoof?
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:16 pmAlways so so so so angry. Did somebody molest her????
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:08 pmI assume what she means by "moral equivalence" is the belief that's arisen in the world in the past few decades that brown people are worth as much as white ones, which I believe with all my heart and think was long overdue even in the 60's. The elite of the GOP are almost entirely wealthy, white, anglo males and this is the group she equates herself with. So, by her own logic, being neither white nor male and therefore worth less, if she is killed at random in an attack of some kind, locked up in a camp with no trial or charges for 5+ years or sexually assaulted with unmuzzled dogs she should accept that fate willingly b/c she thinks it's good for America and she isn't, she's just a brownie. Furthermore, other Americans should not care and when confronted should deny that she ever existed. Why does she deserve any kind of humane treatment? She's not even white and clearly not Christian. Jesus cries when babies are liquified by bombs, Michelle, he doesn't care what color they are and many Lebanese are Christians. Let me just say that I am not in any way a racist, I feel like taking a shower after what I've just said and am only demonstrating the CRAZED LUNACY of this woman's logic. The dehumanization of the people of Lebanon by right-wing pundits the past few days is disgusting and frightening. Israel has trained Hezbollah that kidnapping soldiers is a good way to get your own prisoners released and that is their own fault. Punishing Hezbollah for that is fine, acting surprised about it and punishing Lebanese civilians is an outrage, they need a refresher course on programming "smart" bombs. Did we include the manuals when we sent those to them? I fully support Israel's right to defend itself but this is not the way. Now the U.S. and Israel stand alone in the world, fighting against our own best interests for the benefit of a few. Nice work, government. Funny how the combat veterans want to stay out of wars and the President who spent Vietnam in Alabama and the VP who dodged the draft seven times want to rush right in. We're led by morally bankrupt cowards and everyone sees it but us. C'mon November!!
August 3rd, 2006 at 9:37 amTHIS SHOULD SHUT HER UP
At least 17 soldiers and five civilians are under investigation for the rape of an 11-year-old girl at an Israeli air base, the military confirmed yesterday ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1765325,00.html - 43k
A Jewish settler who clubbed an Arab child to death with a rifle butt is sentenced to six months' community service. Human rights organisations are outraged by the sentence.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,662080,00.html
The Pokemon CD was intact, and that was nearly all that remained of Bushra Abu Kweik and her three children after an Israeli tank shell ripped through the roof of their car during the afternoon school run.
Two other children in a passing white Subaru were also killed by the Israeli shell, the deadliest single episode on a day in which 17 Palestinians were killed as Israel adopted a campaign of "continuous military pressure" against West Bank and Gaza militants.
Israeli soldiers break the silence
Israeli soldiers tell of indiscriminate killings by army and a culture of impunity http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1563255,00.html
August 3rd, 2006 at 10:27 amhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1358173,00.html
Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Wednesday November 24, 2004
The Guardian
An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old.
August 3rd, 2006 at 10:28 amAs something of a stranger to your politics and culture I wonder if someone could just clarify for me that it is, in fact, the right wingers who make such a big deal about the right to life...???
August 3rd, 2006 at 2:59 pmIf you think that’s fair accomadation, I have a bridge to sell you in San Francisco. Beautiful view, lots of liberal neighours.
Must I understand you don’t live there, and think it’s the worst thing that can happen to anyone?
Actually, I live only an hour away and I do believe the view from the San Francisco Bay Bridge is very beautiful. I do know, for a fact, that it's overrun by liberals. And I also know that anyone who lives an hour away from San Francisco in any direction is pretty much guarantted to be surrounded by liberal neighbours. It's certainly not the worse thing that can happen to a person, it's just a fact of life.
August 3rd, 2006 at 7:01 pmAn Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old.
The real difference between the Arabs and the Israelis is that this soldier will probaly be court-marshalled and thrown in jail for the rest of his life. If a Hezbollah (or any Arab soldier) and done that to an Israeli child, they would have given his family $25k and named a soccer field, or a government building after him. That's why it's so shameful that liberals always give the Arabs the benefit of the doubt and the Israelis nothing but verbal abuse and flack.
August 3rd, 2006 at 7:08 pm#267 - The right to life movement is much bigger than abortion. It's mostly about wanting to control people's private sex lives. Telling them when they can have sex, who they can have sex with, and what contraception they can use - NONE!!!
August 3rd, 2006 at 7:20 pmTammy
Arab soldiers don't need any laws or regulations that prohibit them from killing innocents, they have ethics and morals that they adhere to. Had you taken enough time to read the whole article concerning this incident, you would've seen that the Israelis consider what that soldeir did an ethical behavior.
"A subsequent investigation by the officer responsible for the Gaza strip, Major General Dan Harel, concluded that the captain had "not acted unethically". "
Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
August 4th, 2006 at 10:44 amWednesday November 24, 2004
The Guardian
What a silly ho-bag!
August 4th, 2006 at 3:28 pm#269 Tammy, are you on drugs???
August 9th, 2006 at 10:24 pmIf any 1 has watched malkins apperances on fox she tries to deminise muslims and thier religeon every opertunity she gets. she only does it for attention she wants muslims world wide to put a bounty on her so she can write some book about her experiences and earn money.
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