Fox News analyst and right-wing blogger Michelle Malkin is pushing wild conspiracy theories about the tragic death of 56 innocent civilians, including 37 children, in Qana, Lebanon. Like 9/11 conspiracy theorists, Malkin claims the incident was an inside job. Malkin has another thing in common with 9/11 conspiracy theorists: there is no evidence to support her claims.
The Choreographed Photos Claim. Malkin argues that the pictures of dead civilians at Qana “appear to be posed, not spontaneous action shots of an unfolding tragedy.” She cites the blog EU Referendum, whose author Richard North speculates that one man who appears in several photos carrying dead bodies is a “Hezbollah official.” Asked by a Washington Post blogger for evidence to substantiate this claim, North responded, “All I have to go on is gut instinct.”
The Hezbollah Bombing Claim. Malkin also pushes the theory that Hezbollah “destroyed the building deliberately.” Malkin points to a possible eight hour delay between when the Isrealis report striking the building, and the first reports of the building’s collapse. (Even popular conservative blogs have noted the similarity between this claim and the WTC Building 7 conspiracy theories.)
Accounts of the incident from Israel, Lebanon and reporters all contradict Malkin’s version of the events. Villagers in Qana say the wall and roof of the building collapsed shortly after the building was struck. Reporters on the scene confirm that the building “appeared to be hit from above.” Israeli Air Force chief of staff Amir Eshel has acknowledged he “can’t say” when the building collapsed, and has relied on “foreign press reports” to determine the timing. Regardless, Israel is not suggesting that the collapse was staged by Hezbollah. Eschel called even the suggestion that Hezbollah had stored munitions in the building a “conspiracy theory.” The Israeli airforce says it has “no information on…the presence of Hezbollah men [in the area] at the time.” Also, Israel has apologized for the incident.
But remember — we’re the “moonbats.”
…. ok…..
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:13 pmWhat did Hezbollah do Malkin paint the Red Cross emblem on the building or the UN insignia?
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:13 pmThis is over the line for even Malkin > she must be banned/fired from reporting on FOX News!
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:16 pmJudd,
We don’t think that Bush and friends planned 9/11. We think that they knew it was going to happen and did nothing to stop it.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:16 pmWTF……first amendment rights are wonderful……
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:16 pmUh fellas, are you taking this agrument from the point of the RIGHT-WING NEO-CONS who say all 9/11 conspiracy theorists have no evidence to suppor their claims?
Malkin has another thing in common with 9/11 conspiracy theorists: there is no evidence to support her claims.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:18 pmI will admit that Hezzbollah did ANYTHING if they can arrange for a real 911 investigation to be done… regardless of the outcome.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:18 pmmichelle, michelle, michelle…
reading the jerusalem post again? will you never learn?
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:18 pmWhat do we call “Choreographed” news coverage? Propaganda.
Mz Malkin needs to sit down and be quiet now. Either that or go give the Emperor a blowjob so we can impeach him.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:20 pmLike 9/11 conspiracy theorists, Malkin claims the incident was an inside job. Malkin has another thing in common with 9/11 conspiracy theorists: there is no evidence to support her claims.
Judd--so i guess my question in the other thread about a sep. thread for the wapo article on the 9/11 commission would ’scare’ you into–as with kos and the others–being considered ‘unserious’ and a ‘tin-hat manufacturer’…
can you clear that one up for us???
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:21 pmNice trick, trying to tie 9-11 skeptics and that radical wingnut Michelle Malkin. I saw what she said, and if
anyone has two brains cells to rub together saw the same thing, I’m sure they turned the channel.
So don’t be so concerned about Ms. Fruitcake. My problem is with your obvious bias towards 9-11 truth people. You need to get a clue my friend. The scholars, formal Bush officials, journalists, researchers both pro and amateur alike, have uncovered VOLUMES of evidence that could topple whoever did the deed.
http://www.st911.org/
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:22 pmCrazy people. Crazy.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:23 pmUMM… I think that steel melts at 2700 degress F, and jet fuel can only burn at 1374 degrees F at its hottest, is proof. Further more if jet fuel could bring down a steel building then WHY does the FAA make black boxes out of steel?????
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:23 pmThe BEST evidence to prove a conspiracy for 9/11 has been destroyed > the steel beams from the WTC buildings were shipped to China to be resmelted into NEW steel, so no way to be tested for Thermite charges that could have been used to implode the towers!
As for Malkin I think she gets paid by Israeli Mossad to spew this bogus Hezbollah blew up their own children nonsense!
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:24 pmWill someone please take Malkin’s bong away?
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:27 pmNote: We aren’t going to be publishing “evidence” that 9/11 was an inside job in this comment section There are places people go to discuss such things but this isn’t one of them.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:28 pmThis Malkin line is all over the lunasphere today. Limbaugh, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved all have mentioned the same things, more or less. Even Dore Gold, former Israeli UN ambassador, talked about it on Medved. It’s truely disturbing to observe right-wing Israeli propagandists plugging so easily into the right-wing noise machine.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:29 pmNo evidence for 911 theorists, thats funny, one cant prove that islamic terrorist pulled off the attacks. There is actually NO evidence Bin Laden planned this. Eye witness reports for or against the theories, are worth about as much as a shit stained shirt.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:29 pmwhoooaaaa!
JUDD can you explain that comment for me/us?? am i at one of those sites that thinks they are somehow ‘above the fray’ regarding conspiracies and 9.11???
i know that Malloy was talking about Kos and i think franken saying that these two will not allow–yes the word is ALLOW–talk of conspiracty and 9/11.
is this–just judging from your note-=-one such site????
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:29 pmThe Illuminati, Rendon Group and Bilderberg Group had a top-secret meeting at Area 51 with the G8, Bill Gates and the Chief Shaman of the Yetis. They decided to fake an attack on the World Trade Center.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:29 pmYeah, this is one of those sites.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:30 pmNote: We aren’t going to be publishing “evidence†that 9/11 was an inside job in this comment section There are places people go to discuss such things but this isn’t one of them.
is there a reason for that? just curious.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:30 pmam i at one of those sites that thinks they are somehow ‘above the fray’ regarding conspiracies and 9.11???
#
Yeah, this is one of those sites.
Comment by Judd — August 2, 2006 @ 6:30 pm
may i say that i am completely shocked and disappointed with that Judd. if you could here several of us now:
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:33 pmThe reason is that it has the tendency to dominate every discussion. At some point, it’s necessary to discard discredited ideas and move on.
If you don’t believe those ideas have been discredited and want to write a lot about them that’s your right. But we have the right not to enable that.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:33 pm#4 Spudge has it right
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:33 pmMalkin is a whackjob and so are a lot of 9/11 theorists…
but there are these headlines in the paper today as well as a laundry list of unanswered questions and inconsistancies in the offical story.
9/11 panel distrusted Pentagon testimony
Commissioners considered criminal probe of false statements
http://www.cnn.com/ 2006/ POLITICS/ 08/ 02/ 9-11panel.pentagon/
9/11 untruths could be criminal - report
THE 10-member commission that investigated the US response to the September 11 attacks considered seeking a criminal probe of the Pentagon, believing it had deliberately misled the panel and the public, The Washington Post reported today.
http://www.news.com.au/ dailytelegraph/ story/ 0,22049,19998813-5001028,00.html
9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon
Allegations Brought to Inspectors General
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2006/ 08/ 01/ AR2006080101300.html
GOD, please let there be an investigation into 9/11 and the Iraq war planning.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:34 pmokay Judd. thanks for your honesty–even though i think you are being fashionably close-minded and some what silly
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:35 pmi do not want to talk on and on, but, Judd, if speaking about the 9/11 stuff–and even the story about the bi-[partisan comission today at wpost educated people to the bad behavior of the bushies and the republicans that follow them, AND that mobilized PROgressive people to VOTE to change that behaviour,
wouldn’t that be a GOOD thing to discuss? do you know what i mean??
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:38 pmI must weigh in on this…
Judd, then why did C-Span have their special report Saturday night?
There are A LOT of unanswered questions.
Plus, a full third of Americans think there was some gvt. involvement with 9-11.
Look at the tape of Bush’s reaction. It wasn’t “Oh my God what’s going on?”
It was more like “Oh my God, they actually DID it.”
Norad didn’t scramble jets WHY? No real answer. And like Raw Story reported, there is evidence the Pentagon LIED about 9-11 events.
Please don’t lump together the two acts of terrorism. They are NOT alike!
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:38 pmPost 32 boc > I think Judd is trying to tell us the subject of this thread is MALKIN’S bogus conspiracy, on Hezbollah blowing up their own children, so he wants us to discuss that only!
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:39 pmI tend to agree with #4 as well. I think the administration knew something was going to happen, but did nothing to stop it.
As for Malkin, I guess if she and rest want to screw on tinfoil hats, and take a 180º on conspiracy theorys, more power to them. Frankly I hope they do. It will help to alienate moderates from the radical right fringe.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:39 pmHaaretz reports that NO rockets were fired from Qana, according to the Israeli Air Force.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/745185.html
Damn silly thing to stage, Michelle — n’est-ce pas?
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:40 pmI think Judd is trying to tell us the subject of this thread is MALKIN’S bogus conspiracy, on Hezbollah blowing up their own children, so he wants us to discuss that only!
Comment by Jay Randal — August 2, 2006 @ 6:39 pm
but, jay, that is why i asked him if this is one of ‘those sites‘ and he clearly said it was one of those ‘sites‘
i know there is alot up there, but, please read through and see if you agree with me on that.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:41 pmJudd,
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:44 pmIt IS unfair to include 9-11 theory if you don’t want it discussed.
Well, my comment must have been deleted. Pardon for the use of the word “a**”.
From now on, it’s arse.
Look, Judd, with all due respect, you have a nice little website and a nice audience and a nice job. But don’t for a second believe that we liberals are satisfied with temporary rushes from reading and watching Malkin et al on this site.
We have a deep, deep distrust. We are believing our eyes. Seems to me that you need to post a succinct explanation for writing what you said.
You are correct in observing how 9/11 tends to dominate a comments section. It’s a clue, and the right path in the future is to not insult our intelligence by lumping millions of Americans who do not believe the official version of events into the same cesspool of reichwing frothers like Malkin.
And you are right in another point: this website is not for me anymore.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:47 pmi think that there is more to it maybe…
by comparing malkin to 9.11, it makes 9.11 stuff seem equally as stupid…
i don’t know why Judd would want to do that… i am really confused about that
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:47 pmPost 38 they all lied > I basically agree with you, but Judd/TP controls this blog site, so we have to abide by their rules/decisions, since we are guest posters on here!
Judd > a suggestion > maybe have a thread sometime just to discuss 9/11 to allow people to vent about it and discuss conspiracy theories?!
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:48 pmJudd sez:
Note: We aren’t going to be publishing “evidence†that 9/11 was an inside job in this comment section There are places people go to discuss such things but this isn’t one of them.
Yes, but you won’t hesitate to publish a cowardly, groundless smear against proponents of 9/11 Truth, will you, Judd?
To say I am disappointed is the height of understatement.
Malkin has another thing in common with 9/11 conspiracy theorists: there is no evidence to support her claims.
If you don’t want to discuss 9/11, that’s one thing, but to throw that poisonous statement out there and then declare a moratorium on discussion of said statement is the very definition of hypocrisy.
I’ll tell you what, Judd, I’ll bring the evidence supporting my ‘moonbat’ 9/11 conspiracy theory, and you bring the evidence supporting your 9/11 conspiracy theory, and we’ll see which one holds water.
To call yourselves a ‘progressive’ site, and yet actively suppress discussion of what is most probably the greatest scam ever perpetrated upon the American public is disingenuous at best. I honestly thought better of you, Judd.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:50 pmbut jay he controls the site but this is more like editing.
i don’t need to ‘vent’ about ’sonpiracy theories’ jay. the 9.11 inside job is ESSENTIAL to an understanding of the hate for humans all over this administratin.
this is all about the PNAC and “another pearl harbor” and occupation and murder!!!
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:51 pmI concur, TripMaster Monkey
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:52 pmWell said TripMaster, I second that.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:52 pmI’m glad, trueblue, since my post will likely be deleted within the next 5 minutes…
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:53 pmTrueblue: “a full third of Americans think there was some gvt. involvement with 9-11.” - - Sigh….and now 50% of the population thinks Saddam had WMD. Unless you can provide a legitimate source for that number it’s foolish to mention it.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:54 pmHooooome run, TripMaster.
If you don’t want to discuss 9/11, that’s one thing, but to throw that poisonous statement out there and then declare a moratorium on discussion of said statement is the very definition of hypocrisy.
And it’s hypocricy of a rare authoritarian streak. Smells like…chicken.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:54 pmWell, Judd,
Seems you’ve been outvoted.
YOU brought up 9-11 conspiracy.
You cannot dictate where the conversation goes…..
My 2 cents….
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:54 pmand if you don’t believe the
PNAC-=-Pearl Harbor—Richard Perle—Dick Cheney–9.11—Iraq—destabilized ME—new world order
how can you be not just another democrat?
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:54 pmand what about he zogby poll??? there are 42% of the people out there that aren’t TOO GOOD to think it was an isnide job…
don’t we want them to vote in november? by not energizing themn, aren’t you not doing ENOUGH to push progressive issues to the congress???
it seems all too muich inconsistent to a progressiveness.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:56 pmI have countless times posted sites to go to find what SCIENTISTS have to say about this “conspiracy”, and I for one trust those brave enough to SPEAK OUT! Not those that DON’T.
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:58 pmOutvoted, for sure. So be sure and count all those ballots, folks, and keep moving along, nothing more to see, move along.
Oh? You’d like to stay for the approved outrage? Welcome, passive reader! Be sure to click on our advertisers, they’re great folks.
Ooooh, what a monkey Malkin is. Um, what did you say? 9/11? Have you received permission to own that thought? Didn’t think so. Why don’t you move along to some pictures of Bill O’Reilly on Media Matters for America…that’s sure to distract you.
And thanks for stopping by!
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:59 pmEverybody take a deep breath and NOT start a rebellion on TP over this please! None of us trust the Bush Regime, so it’s hard to believe the official version of 9/11, but TP wants the focus on Malkin instead of 9/11 on this thread!
August 2nd, 2006 at 6:59 pmReply to Badmoonman:
a full third of Americans think there was some gvt. involvement with 9-11.†- - Sigh….and now 50% of the population thinks Saddam had WMD.
The crucial difference between those two statistics is that people believe the latter due to a neocon media blitzkrieg planting the idea at every opportunity, while people believe the latter despite a neocon media blitzkrieg attempting to dismiss the idea at every opportunity.
As for providing a source, do your own homework. You might learn something you weren’t looking to learn. I know I sure did.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:00 pmam i reading what i think i am reading? this is most interesting… i always wondered why there was not a mention of 9.11 on here, but for when a poster mentioned it, and, today we have our answer…
this site is just above the fray, just too good, too ‘bright’ to dabble in with the commoners that distrust the government’s answers, and believe that the 9.11 moral is that the bush crime family has no respect for the life of civilians and for those people not contributing to their campaigns and their worldview.
and, in a quixotic twist, this site gets a quick dig in at the conspiracy folks by comparing the crazy malkin to us… very slick trick!!!
i am amazed!!!!
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:04 pmReply to Jay Randal:
None of us trust the Bush Regime, so it’s hard to believe the official version of 9/11,
It’s a bit more than ‘hard’, Jay…if a mind capable of rational thought is confronted with the facts, belief in th e’official version of events’ is patently impossible.
but TP wants the focus on Malkin instead of 9/11 on this thread!
If that’s so, perhaps Judd should have refrained from his childish stab at 9/11 Truth advocates with this statement:
I didn’t bring up 9/11, Judd did. If you’re looking for someone to blame for sending this thread careening out of control, you needn’t look any further than him.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:04 pmEverybody take a deep breath and NOT start a rebellion on TP over this please! None of us trust the Bush Regime, so it’s hard to believe the official version of 9/11, but TP wants the focus on Malkin instead of 9/11 on this thread!
Comment by Jay Randal
Well maybe even TP doesn’t realize the extent of the frustration of the regular person!
AND, if they wanted to focus on Malkin’s STUPID story, DON’t link it with 9-11! DON’T expect us to stay silent on the (probable) INSIDE job that killed 3,000 people and started this POINTLESS war!!!
Just saying…..
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:05 pmMax Sawicky ran a post on the Qana deniers, which linked to a few of the rightwing blogs who were spreading these denials. At the time, I noted all one had to do was go visit NRO’s The Corner and watch Jonah Goldberg repeat these lies ad nausam. Yes, the loyal soldiers of Karl Rove have the same talking points. Hmmmm.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:05 pmTrip and true > I am just trying to be a peacemaker on this thread, but perhaps it was unwise for Judd to link Malkin’s rants to 9/11 views?! The cat is out of the bag on this now I guess?!
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:09 pmHere’s a belated attempt to try to steer this out-of-control thread back on topic:
Another Israeli Myth Exposed: There Were No Hezbollah Rockets In Qana
- courtesy of Looking Glass News.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:10 pmBTW:
Stephanie Miller covered this subjuct this morning.
There were reports from the ground that civilians were running away from sites where Hizbollah fired, knowing that an Israeli strike was forthcoming.
That’s why they STAYED there, because no strikes occured from that position. They felt they were safe.
9-11, however, is FAR different…..
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:12 pmNice job, trueblue, TripMaster, the band.
I couldn’t believe what I read by Judd, either. Like a slap in the face.
So…is this site limited to the sideshow? By that, I mean the entire mass media stew, the frenzy, the frothing. But don’t mention 9/11???
9/11 is the last thing the PowersThatBe like to see exposed. Read the news today, which I found astounding to be even printed.
So Judd, bu-bye. You have done what 9/11 did: pushed me further to the left.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:12 pmI have to go eat, but will be back later, to see how this thread fight turns out > bye all.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:12 pmit is terribly ironic that this post appeared within fifteen minutes or so of the mention on the other thread of today’s washington post article regarding the suspicions of members within the 9.11 commission and the LIES they were told by NORAD…
it seems that the attitude of the dailykosines and the other ‘anti-conspiracy-theory-because-we-want-to-get-on-msnbc-more-often-and-sell-more-books’ crowd is perhaps finding that their perceived elitism is just a facade!
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:12 pmsubject….oops
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:12 pmWhy does ThinkProgress always dismiss people who questions 9/11 as being crazy conspiracy theorists? Frankly I find it insulting, and the oposite of what this site is suppost to be about: exposing truth.
Judd, there are enormous amounts of evidence suggesting all kinds of things about 9/11. You know that. Don’t play dumb.
At least there’s people like Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy out there who have the courage to have honest and open discussions about this, and aren’t afraid of being called “crazy” by crazy ass republican loyalists.
If Judd can tell me why NORAD didn’t follow SOP that day and scramble jets, and if he can tell me where the tapes of the air traffic controllers, norad and the black boxes are… AND if he can tell me how it is scientifically possible for jet fuel to melt the steel in the towers in 56 minutes to the point of a perfect collapse of the buildings when there have been similar crashes into buildings before with jets that have burned for hours and hours on end without compromising the integrity of the structures… THEN JUDD, I’ll shut up.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:15 pmboc,
this appears to be more proof of the arguments made by a recently banned poster around here… this site is just to the left of hillary clinton’s purse and, you and i know, that isn’t left enough.
:)
peace.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:15 pmReply to boc:
Exactly, boc…9/11 is the elephant in the room, and trying to effect change in this country without addressing 9/11 is like painting a house that’s falling down.
Judd, I have to drive home now, but as soon as I get there I’ll be back, and I hope you have some sort of explanation for your behavior.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:16 pmIt is getting time to suspend all activity by congress, senate and administration and pull all parties associated with PNAC before a grand jury and get to the bottom of this War on Terror BS which has become a front to kill the Constitution and Bill of Rights. FBI, Intellegence and DoD (Able Danger) needs to be asked a few questions as well. This GWOT crap is a war on freedom and liberty around the world and replacing it with a global military plutocracy. The people responsible for taking away the evidence should be indicted immediately. The FAA would have put the pieces together carefully if it was an air disaster. This is far more serious and questions need to be answered by all of the organizations that are suposed to represent or defend this country. They were obviously out to breakfast when the incedent happened and far too many coincidences of pre-attack positioning and organization were set up. It wasn’t like the people in high places were not told.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:16 pmIf a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
Thomas Jefferson
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:18 pmand, boc, jpm, and madashell, save the thread with a ’save as’ because judd will turn this thread into swiss cheese in about an hour or so…
stay strong and don’t let the middle suck the life out of you!
peace,
james risser
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:20 pmSomehow I get the feeling Judd will let this thread be.
He’s got a lot to chew on with our responses.
TripMaster Monkey, I’m sure we’ll be here waiting for you when you get home.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:21 pmSaved as “Save As”, as requested……..
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:23 pmIf these folks spent this much energy and time investigating Ohio’s vote, we might have a story.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:24 pmtrueblue,
okay, you said that on post #79, and no comments moderated, at 7:21pm.
when is the monkey coming back in?
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:25 pmTo james risser, the band, madashell, just plain mad, TripMaster, true blue…
thanks.
I got tears in my eyes, seeing some corroboration.
Jesus, we are in so much trouble in this wonderful country.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:27 pmtrue blue,
we are with you!
i mention the swiss cheese because the malkin thread on qana from two days or so ago had at least 14 moderated, read: ‘deleted’, comments… it is sort of interesting to see the ones they leave in if you can remember the ones they take out…
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:30 pmJeez, no no,
He’s got to drive home!
It’ll be a while!!
He’ll be back, don’t worry.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:30 pmHey, no no,
your link comes up as deleted when I run my mouse across it.
Thought you should know…..
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:33 pmThinkprogress, is the Washington Post a conspiracy theorist too? Did you see today’s story? The 9/11 commission knew they were being deliberately lied to by the pentagon concerning 9/11. stop dumping on those of us with the brain power to put 2 and 2 together.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:34 pmJudd,
time to let us know we can talk about this…..
You’re just gettin’ us riled up!
:)
Let it be……
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:36 pmHey, no no,
your link comes up as deleted when I run my mouse across it.
Thought you should know…..
i expect post #82 where i mention #79 will be gone soon too…
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:36 pmYou’re all discussing while I am verclempt.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:37 pmI think we’re OK.
Judd would have to delete the entire thread at this point; so blog away…!
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:39 pmCan somebody tell me how many facts and/or % of the US population do you need before something is no longer considered a conspiracy theory?
More than 100 and/or 33% of the United States?
…just curious…
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:39 pmThink progress = gatekeepers
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:40 pmany fool with a iq over 50 knows the govermant has somthing to hid
about 9-11 it’s your duty to ask these questions
true blue,
he has already started a bit, no? he will trim out the it seems that the attitude of the dailykosines and the other ‘anti-conspiracy-theory-because-we-want-to-get-on-msnbc-more-often-and-sell-more-books’ post because i sense that he cares way too much about what the BIG blogs think of him….
this anti-9.11 truth outburst on his part proves that.
a conspiracy is no longer a conspiracy when the msm accepts it as such. before that, nothing is true.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:42 pmTo: everyone on this board
TP, Kos, Americablog and many of the others (with the exception of Rawstory.com and Bradblog.com) The non-discussion of the truth of 9/11 along with the willfully ignorant, non-discussion on voting fraud is the cancer of the Progressive movement.
Everything you/we are fighting for, everything you/we hope for and work for is nothing, NOTHING!!! without our votes being acurately counted and these sick people out of power!!!
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:45 pmOK, I’m Saving That, TOO!!!!!!
WELL SAID!
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:47 pm(not meant as a yell, just enthusiasm!!)
very lame…. i thought this was think progress not thought suppress…. very very lame…. you can find thousands upon thousands of things wrong with the world, document injustices perpetrated by abusers of power in this country and across the world, and purport to be honestly pursuing the truth in such matters and provide those without a voice a forum to discuss relevant issues… but i get it, “yes, we are one of those sites”… “one of those sites that is ‘above the fray’ regarding 9-11 conspiracy theories ” and the like… it’s not like cnn had a poll or anything indicating that 90 some percent or whatever of respondents believed there was something untruthful about the official version of events….
hmm… i wonder why even bother bitching about pat roberts stonewalling, after all it’s not there’s anything to hide now that we know there IS no evidence to support those “wacky” conspiracy theorists, those wacky academics, and professors, and retired military officers, much less families of victims of 9-11 who begged for a real investigation….. in other words there ALL wrong because they have no evidence to support their claims…. and for them to say that thats because they’ve been prevented from asking those questions or have them answered? psssh….OH NO, THERE’s no EVIDENCE of that…. *cough* right chairman roberts?
this was the worst posting i’ve read on TP because it tries to arrogantly lump group of people with legitimate, scientific questions that strike at the heart and root of a defining moment in US history, in an attempt to shape an correct understanding of that event, with a group of people trying to define a moment in history to fit their agenda by “gut instinct”.
you could try establishing a forum here on TP that actually tries to address this topic that seems to “dominate the comments” and weeds out the fact from fiction instead of demonizing it as ALL fiction… no need to worry about having to do that for malkin and bunch cuz i really don’t see TP giving credence to any of her claims on here anytime soon…
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:50 pmJP
YES!
it simply baffles me how the progressive movement has been hijacked by those who fail to espouse the critical components of that which we must fight the hardest!!!
the fact that this administration would so closely allie itself and fulfill the destiny of the pnac and be the embodiment of fascistic neoconservative religious extremist ideal MUST be pointed out by those who wish to change it!!! and, 9.11 truth folks are doing so.
i am astounded that the nearly-msm-kos-and-crew have chosen to ignore this story just so they can get on tv more often and sell more of their books!
thank god for MIKE MALLOY, and a handful of the posters on this site that are true to the movement.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:52 pmNote: We aren’t going to be publishing “evidence†that 9/11 was an inside job in this comment section There are places people go to discuss such things but this isn’t one of them.
Comment by Judd — August 2, 2006 @ 6:28 pm
Judd, please, we KNOW you are monitoring.
Allow us to blog the way the thread is going. We here in AMERICA want to comment on the atrocities that befell us on 9-11. Not on what some idiot says about Lebanon, which has CLEARLY been disproven.
Please let us know we can talk about this.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:53 pmThank you very much.
#74 the band & #68 boc; “no left turn unstoned”
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:00 pmPlease let us know we can talk about this.
Thank you very much.
and, rather than merely give us ‘permission’ perhaps you will stick around and debate the issue seems you be so strongly against its discussion. we can also debate other issues and their relative importance to the progressive movement, the future elections, and the future, generally.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:03 pmNo, I don’t think that would be wise, yes no.
I (we, I think) simply would like Judd to let the thread develop the way it was.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:07 pmAnd it’s been 10 + min. since my post to you.
I assume you have decided and would like to post your decision to your readers?
Thank you, BTW, for the ability to post comments here.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:08 pmI greatly appreciate it.
So I guess the moonbat leftists understand how crazy their kook, conspiracy theories are now.
I’m surprised the mental midgets on the left aren’t claiming that Bush did the bombing via Airforce 1. Well, Israel and the jews are just as evil as Bush, so it’s ok to let Bush off on this one.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:11 pm#14
Al Gore you are smarter that AL GORE. LOL!
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:11 pmtrue blue,
i mention the debate because it is something i have asked him about four times now, and, he never responds. he has sniper-like tendencies and will just ignore your request until you either forget it or something more urgent comes along to take your attention away. that is just my opinion, of course.
but, if one has such strong opinions on the ‘baselessness’ of the 9.11 truth people, one would think one would be willing to debate the subject. i know i would.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:12 pmJudd, have an open thread for 911 Conspiracy at all times. Boot off anyone fron other threads bringing that up. You have a bunch of great people here but, they are divergent. The 911 conspiracy will never-never go away. Just give them an outlet. They are good people, who knows they might be proved right some day. I don’t buy it because it is too damn complex to pull off- too many people would have to not tell any one–that never ever happens. However, I want to point out that most that beleive in that conspiracy I support on most of their other posts and positions- no insult meant to any of you. I could be wrong.
Peace
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:12 pmI just got home, and haven’t read all the comments, so this may have been said already — WHAT THE F*CK IS WRONG WITH THAT WOMAN!?
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:13 pmIf TP is not going to discuss 9/11, they are free to do whatever they wish.
I leave you with this… Judd, for everything you guys know/have reported on about what Bush and his Admin has done over the past 6 years (and know where they wish to go with this as in police state/martial law), tell me how the truth behind 9/11 is irrelevant to discuss?
Without 9/11, please tell me how the American people would ever allow this or any administration to jail and torture 1000’s of people without trial or charges?, spend the surplus into a $9 Trillion dollar deficit? send 150,000 of our troops into a country for 3.5 years and incur an acceptable 2500 fatalities/18000 wounded/100000 civilian deaths in the name of freedom? spy and datamine information on all of us without a warrant?
These are the broad strokes and the details/lies are in the thousands.
What does it take for TP to get that America the great democracy no longer exists because 9/11 enabled them to get away with all of this. Another 9/11 will seal the deal permanently.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:13 pmThe American Scholars Symposium: 9/11 + The Neo-Con Agenda was covered by Reuters, The Washington Post, ABC & NBC Affiliates, CSPAN, and even more independent media outlets from all across the globe.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:18 pmWow. TP just to say the thing about 9/11 conspiracy theorists, didn’t he?
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:20 pmThanks #108.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:20 pmhi, z!
how’s it going today? i have been humming the cyndi lauper tune ‘true colors’ for the past hour or so…
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:22 pmi only got to 60, before i knew i had to post soon, or not at all…
i’m in agreement with most - if TP wanted no discussion on 9/11 theories, then why the sam hill did this thread get posted?!?
especially considering the WaPo story and another in Vanity Fair…
these 2 have some conflicting “facts”, but at least it’s out there…
AND i heard about these on randi rhodes, who also doesn’t like to discuss the 9/11 theories - BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED… but she was persuaded to watch the Scholar’s Panel on c-span… yesterday she opened up the phone lines to callers who had questions that they wanted answerd by a REAL investigation… when the WaPo and Vanity Fair stories came out, she read some of them on the air… it was all very smart and enlightened, not crazy at all…
all things considered, it’s pretty hard to argue with spudge:
We don’t think that Bush and friends planned 9/11. We think that they knew it was going to happen and did nothing to stop it.
and we really, really do need to know the TRUTH…
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:22 pmyes no (I assume previously no no) DELETED again!!!
Jesus, Judd, be a man and let it go!!!!!!!
Tracy,
Haven’t seen you in a while. Structural Engineer? How many buildings have collasped due to FIRE?
Hmmm…….
NONE, except the USA’s version of the jets flying into them.
There are lots of other fires, encompassing TENS of floors…. no collapse.
In fact, the WTCS’ collapses were the only ones recorded in history as being felled by fire.
Does Not Make Sense……
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:23 pm“appear to be posed, not spontaneous action shots of an unfolding tragedy.â€
“All I have to go on is gut instinct.â€
Mm-hmm, and you ‘appear’ to be a first class nut case, but my gut instinct tells me you are a very disturbed young lady.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:24 pmI would think the originator of the thread, whom also does not want certain topics discussed here, would have known what he was getting himself into. Oh well, I’ve done several things, and likely still more, in which I didn’t know what I was getting myself into.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:26 pmyes no (I assume previously no no) DELETED again!!!
Jesus, Judd, be a man and let it go!!!!!!!
yes, ‘yes no’, was ‘no no’ \\\
i told you so, true blue…
the phrase ‘all hat, no cowboy‘ often applies to law school grads as well…
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:28 pmFor Truth,
I, too would like Judd to weigh in.
We all know you are there……
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:28 pmPerhaps if I didn’t KNOW the NEOCONS long range goals, I wouldn’t be so quick to question 9/11 at all. But cheney said it - WE NEED A PEARL HARBOR…coincidence? I DON’T THINK SO.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:29 pmIs ANYONE here a structural engineer?
Comment by Tracy — August 2, 2006 @ 8:14 pm
You don’t need one. The buildings were brought down by that little understood fourth fundemental force “gravity” The melting point is not that key- it is at what point it is “structually weakened” No offense to all my friends here-GWB=worst president in history-rethugs are ba$tards–just not with the conspiracy thing, but willing to listen and think about your points. I did check one -and your right -Usama bin laden is NOT wanted by the FBI for 911. Go figure? see I will listen.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:29 pmI admit when I first read the topic headline, I was surprised. It’s funny I never knew who this character was until lately. She probably is smart, I think I read somewhere of her credentials, not bad actually. Its sad she used all her talents and resources to become a pissy little 7th grader on TV.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:30 pmOMG - and THEY DIDN’T SHOOT KENNEDY EITHER.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:31 pmOMG - and THEY DIDN’T SHOOT KENNEDY EITHER.
Comment by madashell
WOW!!! That’s Great!!!
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:32 pmTracy,
I have a hard enough time providing my own structure. I think a lot of interesting points are raised in the “structural” argument. I have been around when there were “engineers” posting on this site about the purported topic, and of course, they all felt it appeared to be a controlled demolition.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:34 pmDear TP,
You deserve most all the animosity and mockery present on this thread. Did you copy Glenn Greenwald? I find it bizarre the exact comparision was made accidentally. I also think it unusual that the 911 doubters would be the first group to come to mind when thinking about the latest event performed by the rightwing freakshow with their incessant lying and obfuscation. TP is your sandbox and you are free to let your readers know who is and who is not welcome to play… but your sneer at the doubters and skeptics belie a snottiness that wasn’t visible until your unprovoked provocation. So you’re not convinced there’s anything fishy with the official story? Fine. But to compare the doubters with Malkin? That reveals something altogether different.
Kenneth Patchen
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:34 pmWho here has seen the C-Span Special on the 9-11 cover-up?
I think you can download it if you haven’t seen it. Saw the link @ Raw Story.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:35 pmOh, this is good. We’ve got the wacko, kook 9/11 conspiracy theorists turning on their leftist brothers who have to live in the real world, at least part of the time.
It’s kind of like the way the democrat politicians look at the leftist blogosphere. “Yeah, we like your money and votes, but when you moonbats in blogosphere land get your comments in the regular press, we’re scared”.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:39 pmComment by kennethpatchen — August 2, 2006 @ 8:34 pm
no! are you really kenneth patchen?
regardless, that was so well said and in one paragraph; you have said what i have been trying to say through my several personas for hours!
thanks!
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:39 pmhow’s it going today? i have been humming the cyndi lauper tune ‘true colors’ for the past hour or so…
Comment by yes no
I noticed that. You and trueblue are making beautiful music together. ;)
Things are going well, but I hate being the last girl to the party. I have on such a pretty dress, too…
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:44 pmYo Ricky,
I don’t think anyone is “turning” on anyone, although I am not surprised that you interpret questioning authority and not always blindly following the dear leader as “turning” on them.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:47 pmTo the Memory of my fellow American, compatriot and the Soldier of Freedom
Michael Levin, 22,
“… moved to Israel three years ago from Pennsylvania and enlisted in the paratroopers, Israeli media reported. Levin cut short a visit to his family four days ago and returned to his unit.”
By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer
Peace for Israel
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:47 pmPeace for the Palestinians and the Lebanese.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:50 pmit is doubtful that it is the kenneth patchen, but, it would be nice to think so. here is one of my favorite quotations from him:
“I speak for a generation born in one war and doomed to die in another.â€
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:51 pmThe name “one jew” really smacks of victimhood, like your alone against the world or something.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:51 pmQana conspiracy theories=calculated perpetrator cover story to hide the truth
vs
9/11conspiracy theories= spotaneous questions of a victimized nation mounting into a search for a truth.
Totally different.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:51 pmMy Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed.
Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete.
This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now to begin the reckoning.
Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the countries listed there.
The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world’s nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.
Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.
The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hellholes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.
Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.
In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.
Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China.
I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.
I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don’t care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York.
A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.
Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep, border security.
Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty - starting now.
We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we’ll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country’s oil needs for decades to come. If you’re an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.
It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, “darn tootin.”
Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate homelessness in America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thank you guys. We owe you and we won’t forget.
To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to speak Arabic.
God bless America. Thank you and good night.
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:52 pmWhoa Judd…facts are facts, and for you to malign those that question the Administration bullshit tale about 911 by comparing that skepticism with Malkin’s clearly bigoted perspective on Qana… is extremely disappointing!!
Could this be another GOP/Rovian ploy to somehow mitigate or deflect the fallout from the recent MSM airing of the 911 Truth documentation? I read that the release of all but 7 photos and vids from the Moussaoui trial were just that. Arlen Specter has used this tactic numerous times, where he will appear to be challenging the Bush Administration on a particular issue, only to change his colors later once public attention has lessened.
The fact that you give Malkin any creedence at all makes me think “to hell with Think Progress!!”
Styve
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:53 pmI looked at 4 of the pentagon dead body photos realesed, it looked like they were workers in the building, no plane wreckage around them. But what do I know anyway.
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:55 pmWow! You guys are PARANOID! Whhh! Bush brought the towers down! You sound like morons! No wonder you cant win an election
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:56 pmHi again:
An hour drive home and a dinner later, and I’m back…and Judd’s silence defeaning. No correction to the insulting and baseless stan at 9/11 Truth advocates, and no justification, either.
Judd, I’m not the only person to have said this: if you’re going to make an assertion like this:
…then at least be man enough to back it up. My challenge still stands: I have plenty of evidence to back up my claims…can you say the same?
Two things:
* If you’re going to ‘discard discredited ideas’, you need to a) actually discredit it first, and b) according to that logic, you must ‘discard’ the ‘official version of events’, since it has been thoroughly discredited from all angles.
* As I said earlier, if you were so concerned about 9/11 ‘dominating’ the discussion, you really should have refrained from your childish stab at the 9/11 Truth community.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:00 pmCatatonic, go back to sleep.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:00 pm‘its hard out there for the band’
Comment by yes no yes
I need to become more literary, too, because I don’t know who either Patchen or Rexrod are.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:00 pmDuh. :)
I need to leave because MiniBlue wants my to watch the Stephen King thing on TNT.
I’m ashamed that Judd has not weighed in, and admited he was wrong.
I’m also ashamed TP has decided to delete links……
Next thing I’LL be banned, because I spoke ill of TP.
(Absolute power, you know…)
Good luck, posters!
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:01 pmI’ll be back when MiniBlue no longer needs my presence… (is asleep)
Thanks Mr. 5-Noted Music Scale Guy.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:01 pmGoodnight, good mama, trueblue!
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:02 pmLove ‘ya, Zooey!
Oops, gotta go! She’s an angry teenager who wants her mom!!!
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:04 pmAs I said earlier, if you were so concerned about 9/11 ‘dominating’ the discussion, you really should have refrained from your childish stab at the 9/11 Truth community.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
That’s true.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:04 pmZooey is the dress blue?
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:05 pmFor what it’s worth, my two cents. I am very suspicious of conspiracy theories in general and do not particularly like the 9-11 theory being thrown into as many threads on TP as it is. In that I agree with Judd. On the other hand, I’m not willing to dismiss the possibility of 9-11 being either an inside job or known beforehand by BushCo. My biggest concern is an issue like this dividing progresses in a way that the neocons haven’t. We just cannot afford to let that happen. There must be a compromise here - after all, we all want to see negotiation to end conflicts. Let’s start internally. My suggestion is to occasionally have threads specifically for speculation about 9-11, raising questions, etc. and for those who belief the inside job theory should refrain from bringing the topic into other threads. Thoughts?
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:06 pmyay… i just love chain letters… especially real old ones…
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:06 pmwhat? - no “send this to 10 friends and all your cares are gone”?
Zooey is the dress blue?
Comment by For Truth
Of course! It goes with my eyes. How did you know?
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:07 pmI’m Terrible Herbst.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:07 pm#99 - very lame…. i thought this was think progress not thought suppress….
fell off the couch. thanks!
# 133 - … but your sneer at the doubters and skeptics belie a snottiness that wasn’t visible until your unprovoked provocation. So you’re not convinced there’s anything fishy with the official story? Fine. But to compare the doubters with Malkin? That reveals something altogether different.
Kenneth Patchen is my new hero this hour.
People, the bigger game is polarization. Think about who benefits, in terms of money, when 80% of the electricity in the world is used to write screeds in the comments sections of blogs. (hyperbole alert)
While I’ve spit bile over the last five years, it hasn’t affected the richest of the rich. Right vs. Left, yada yada.
The obvious truth is that 9/11 was not explained truthfully. People know it. Remember that clip of the firemen, one guy motioning with his hands and arms, describing how the floors fell? Years ago! Did that ever show up on TV? I don’t know.
Did WAMY investigation by FBI show up on TV? No, I read about it on the Internet. And I read more.
Judd, your readers are astonished. I rarely write in the blogs, it takes time to think of the right way to say things, therefore my contributions are not as good as I’d like them to be in the time alloted. Attention wanders, maybe Friends is on, or ThoughtSuppress has posted a new sideshow item on Bush. It’s on to the next outrage.
However, 9/11 is not one of those issues. So dig into it. Read, and make up your mind, and spread the word. Your 100% avoidance is telling me, a lifetime broadcaster, that it is intentional.
Has ThoughtSuppress never encountered a news or political story about the 9/11 report? I seem to recall reading quite a few. In fact throughout the entire liberal blogosphere there is precious little, but I didn’t notice it — the flood of outrage spewing from our Leaders is commanding all the attention. But not all…because we DO remember the weirdness of 9/11. We DO recall the shock when the lightbulb went on. And today, in this thread, we ARE astounded at your apparent ignorance of the topic at hand, and suspicious that it isn’t ignorance at all, but will.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:09 pmThoughts?
Comment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian)
katy and I have been trying to get Judd to have an open thread, since we don’t have ThinkFastPM anymore. One open thread per day would probably help keep some of these threads on track.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:11 pmhey zooey! you were only fashionably late, is all…
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:11 pmand you look mahvelous!
I mean one open thread, in addition to the ThinkFast thread.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:11 pmyou were only fashionably late, is all…
and you look mahvelous!
Comment by katy
My feet are killing me, though.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:14 pmClogs just don’t go with party dresses. :)
now…about this dress?
Comment by yes no yes
Hmmmmm?
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:16 pmOk, I’ve made one suggestion for compromise. Zooey has made another. Come on, any more?
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:16 pmPLC,
Are you trying to keep us on-topic? :)
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:18 pmpedicure, my lady?
Comment by feet r us
Please. But don’t tell hugo.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:20 pmFun is fun, but dress comments? Get a room.
The obvious topic is hypocricy on the part of Judd, for the site.
He hasn’t returned to ’splain a thing, and probably won’t.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:20 pmAre you trying to keep us on-topic? :)
Comment by Zooey
Yes and no. I actually think this is a serious issue because we can’t have progressives destroying each other when we don’t agree on a topic and win elections. We, unlike neocons, are never going to agree on everything so we need to be sure that we can disagree productively and without rancor.
I really don’t care about OT subjects, especially from you since you already responded to my request. Thanks, BTW.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmUh oh, james is gone. No pedicure…
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmzooey - that was serndipitous that our 2 posts (155+56) came up together like that…
i take it you got that message…
this is a strange happening with this thread…
any bets if it’s another 500-er? doesn’t seem to be moving that fast… the night is young…
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:25 pmPLC,
I think of you as the voice of reason around here. You’re right, we prog/libs have it harder because we are able to think for ourselves, and will not always agree, That’s why I get so upset when we fight among ourselves sometimes, over silly things like personality conflicts.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:26 pmkaty,
No way am I sticking around for 500! I think TP got wind that james was here, so they’re deleting him again. Stupid.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:29 pmPLC,
Your comment caused my thought to catlyize into another thought. Is that one of the reasons why Dems lose elections, as the ant colony mentality works better. Having our disagreements is divisive, and the Repubs/NEocons all fall in lockstep together. Just a thought.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:32 pmAll:
I appreciate the honest feedback on this thread about my post.
One thing we decided early on in this site is that it wasn’t going to be a venue to discuss 9/11 conspiracy theories. People make a reasonable point that, if that’s the rule, perhaps such theories shouldn’t be referenced in the main posts.
That’s fair enough. But this post is published and that doesn’t change our site policy.
TP is a lot more tolerant about commenters than many other sites. Many sites won’t allow any comments that come from a different political perspective. We allow a lot, but it’s not a free-for-all.
I welcome input on how we moderate comments and other administration of the site. But in the end we have to set the rules. Everyone is free then to decide if this is the kind of site they want to spend time on or not.
I understand some of you are upset with me. That’s OK. I’m not trying to please everyone. I’m trying to run this site the best way I know how.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:33 pmZooey
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:36 pmThanks. I sometimes find myself a bit lost about the content of many posts here because of the volume of information from some obviously very intelligence people who post. I don’t have the time or often the inclination to research that much. However, I think I have a strength in the process of reasoning, assimilation of information, and problem solving (as I’ve revealed once, I’m a practicing psychologist). I am also very interested in changing progressive tactics from issue-oriented to values-oriented campaigning because I think we’ve got a better chance of winning elections and because, frankly, issues and information change while values do not as readily.
Anyway, again thanks for the compliment.
Thankyou Judd, sounds fair enough.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:36 pm…james was here, so they’re deleting him again. Stupid.
Comment by Zooey — August 2, 2006 @ 9:29 pm
zooey - that’s weird - i just found this one:
Comment by kennethpatchen — August 2, 2006 @ 8:34 pm
no! are you really kenneth patchen?
regardless, that was so well said and in one paragraph; you have said wha