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	<title>Comments on: 9/11 Conspiracy Theory Redux: Malkin Argues That Qana Was An Inside Job</title>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/02/malkin-conspiracy/comment-page-7/#comment-1010961</link>
		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this cannot just be a coincedence.

1)	New York City has 11 letters

2) Afghanistan has 11 letters

3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters

4) George W Bush has 11 letters

This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:

1) New York is the 11th state

2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11

3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11

4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6 + 5 = 11

5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11

6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11

Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:

1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. 2 + 5 + 4 = 11

2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2 + 5 + 4 = 11

3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11

4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident

Now this is where things get totally eerie:

The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars &amp; Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:

&quot;For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace&quot;

That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran

Still uncovinced about all of this..?! Try this and see how you feel afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:

Open Microsoft Word and do the following:

1) Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers

2) Highlight the Q33 NY

3) Change the font size to 48

4) Change the actual font to WINGDINGS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this cannot just be a coincedence.</p>
<p>1)	New York City has 11 letters</p>
<p>2) Afghanistan has 11 letters</p>
<p>3) Ramsin Yuseb (The terrorist who threatened to destroy the Twin Towers in 1993) has 11 letters</p>
<p>4) George W Bush has 11 letters</p>
<p>This could be a mere coincidence, but this gets more interesting:</p>
<p>1) New York is the 11th state</p>
<p>2) The first plane crashing against the Twin Towers was flight number 11</p>
<p>3) Flight 11 was carrying 92 passengers. 9 + 2 = 11</p>
<p>4) Flight 77 which also hit Twin Towers, was carrying 65 passengers. 6 + 5 = 11</p>
<p>5) The tragedy was on September 11, or 9/11 as it is now known. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11</p>
<p>6) The date is equal to the US emergency services telephone number 911. 9 + 1 + 1 = 11</p>
<p>Sheer coincidence..?! Read on and make up your own mind:</p>
<p>1) The total number of victims inside all the hi-jacked planes was 254. 2 + 5 + 4 = 11</p>
<p>2) September 11 is day number 254 of the calendar year. Again 2 + 5 + 4 = 11</p>
<p>3) The Madrid bombing took place on 3/11/2004. 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 = 11</p>
<p>4) The tragedy of Madrid happened 911 days after the Twin Towers incident</p>
<p>Now this is where things get totally eerie:</p>
<p>The most recognised symbol for the US, after the Stars &amp; Stripes, is the Eagle. The following verse is taken from the Quran, the Islamic holy book:</p>
<p>&#8220;For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced: for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah and there was peace&#8221;</p>
<p>That verse is number 9.11 of the Quran</p>
<p>Still uncovinced about all of this..?! Try this and see how you feel afterwards, it made my hair stand on end:</p>
<p>Open Microsoft Word and do the following:</p>
<p>1) Type in capitals Q33 NY. This is the flight number of the first plane to hit one of the Twin Towers</p>
<p>2) Highlight the Q33 NY</p>
<p>3) Change the font size to 48</p>
<p>4) Change the actual font to WINGDINGS<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1010961', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: *NEOCON*</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/02/malkin-conspiracy/comment-page-7/#comment-730171</link>
		<dc:creator>*NEOCON*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the posts on this site for several months there seems to be some consistency as to the feelings of the â€œbloggersâ€........let me summarize......because somewhere in my following list you (yes, you the wacko â€œprogressiveâ€) will find an answer to ALL of the problems that America faces todayâ€¦.or at least the person/persons that are responsible for such a miserable existence that we must trudge through in Americaâ€¦..America the damned!!! Each of the items below are just a snippet of what â€œthink progressâ€ stands forâ€¦.soâ€¦in your wordsâ€¦.

Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnateâ€¦

Fox News is Hitlerâ€™s SS version of propaganda...

The Democrats are waayyy too conservative and right-leaning....

The Republicans (gulp...I said the word Republicans) work for the Devil...

Lieberman is a Bush crony that never accomplished anything for the state of Connecticutâ€¦

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

The War in Iraq was certainly for the oil and making rich people richer!!!

Halliburton? Planning the war(s) for years before 9/11â€¦

9/11? Bush not only knew exactly what/where/when/howâ€¦..he helped to plan itâ€¦..

9/11? The towers were not taken down by airplanesâ€¦American C-4 explosives were strategically placed to â€œtake â€˜em downâ€â€¦.

Bush planted the C4â€¦along with the help of Cheney and Rumsfieldâ€¦

The War in Iraq was certainly a follow-up to papa Bushâ€¦.and his â€œfailureâ€ in removing Saddamâ€¦..

Terrorism is not that big of a dealâ€¦it should be monitored and controlled by our police agenciesâ€¦.not the governmentâ€¦.

OBL is not that bad....hell, America created him!!

Saddam is not the bad...hell, America created him!!

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not that badâ€¦.he does not want nukes for weaponsâ€¦its all about the fuel baby!!!

Problems in the Middle East...Americas fault...

Darfur? Bush and Cheney are not fully responsible for the genocide---but at least 78%....

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

Try to resolve the problems in the Middle East??---Why does America feel it should stick its nose in others business...

Israel...Americaâ€™s puppet....

Israel is the cause of most of the problems in the Middle Eastâ€¦.Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization---they were â€œelectedâ€ into a position of power in a democratic government!!!

America did the worse job of evacuating its citizens from Lebanonâ€¦Denmark did the bestâ€¦Denmark is #1!!! Denmark is #1!!!â€¦.

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

American flags are made for one purposeâ€¦.to burn!!!!!!!!

The primary run off in Ct proves that the American people want an immediate withdrawal from Iraqâ€¦.

AIDS in Africa killing scores? Bushâ€™s Faultâ€¦.well, maybe 82% responsibleâ€¦

Socialism #1â€¦Communism #2â€¦.Dictatorship #3â€¦Democracy #4â€¦as ranked by the bloggers on â€œThink Progressâ€ as best form of govtâ€¦.

Global Warming is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......

The short-comings of American schools...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......

The short-comings of Health-care....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......

Oil?....ever since man has been able to process it into a usable fuel....all the problems have been.....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......

Wal-mart=Capitalism=Bush cronies=Conservatives=devil

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

Mexican Immigration problem? No problemoâ€¦
Katrina?....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......not the response---the actual cause of the hurricane...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive

Katrinaâ€¦response to it?....Bush hates blacks.....itâ€™s that simple......did I mention Bush hates Mexicans, Canadians, French, Italians, Spaniards, Russians, Irish, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Aussies, Swedes, New Zealanders, anybody that might be of south American persuasion, anybody that might be a mix bred, anybody from Africa-even if they â€œlookâ€ white, and of courseâ€¦all Muslimsâ€¦.

Did I mention that according to this site that Bush hates gays? And wants them dead?

The economy----the worse itâ€™s been in the history of America----....is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......

International relations? well---before Bush we were loved from china to south America...but now---America is hated all around the world and we need to kowtow to the Europeans and Islam so they like usâ€¦..we want other people to like usâ€¦we really want other people to like usâ€¦â€¦â€¦please like usâ€¦..please?

Homeless problem in a city/town near you?...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦

Abortion is good (million+ innocents a year)â€¦Death penalty is Bad (handful of convicted criminals a year)â€¦.

(Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? 

Lines at the super-marketâ€¦.. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦

Howard Stern being fined for foul behavior/languageâ€¦. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦.

Katrina â€œevacueesâ€ in Houston or other cities committing hideous crimes?... a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦â€¦

Christian groups are bigots and things such as â€œfaith dayâ€ (at a ball park after the game) are nothing more than the radical rights attempt at â€œchristian-izingâ€ usâ€¦.

Americaâ€™s military is weak and the Draft is right around the cornerâ€¦

â€œGodâ€ should not be in the Pledgeâ€¦.

â€œGodâ€ should not be on our currencyâ€¦

â€œGodâ€ should not beâ€¦â€¦â€¦.

Cindy Sheehan should not be questioned nor debatedâ€¦..her son died for her right to hang out in Crawford dam it!!! 

America went to war unpreparedâ€¦.look at the hummers!! They have absolutely no armorâ€¦.and its Bushâ€™s faultâ€¦

Democrats and Republicans are all the sameâ€¦evilâ€¦out for themselvesâ€¦slave-masters (its in their family history)â€¦sex addictsâ€¦and of course out to kill Americans in a fake war that was based on purposely fraudulent intelligenceâ€¦

The (mass) media is covering up everything!!!
 
Good policing and investigative work is called---racial profiling!!!

â€œMinimum Wage should be at least $18.00 a hourâ€

â€œProgressiveâ€ reporters get kick out of all the neo-cons news briefingsâ€¦

â€œMy phones have been taped because I went to an anti-war rally!â€

â€œMy cable has been on the blink and my phone has been making weird noises since I went to a anti-war Rallyâ€

Anybody that makes money and lives a successful life MUST be doing something that hurts the poor or crippledâ€¦.

Taxes and more taxes are good for the economyâ€¦tax cuts/breaks only help the millionairesâ€¦

SUVâ€™s were created by conservatives that wanted to help out their â€œoil buddiesâ€â€¦

People should not be expected to take care of themselves!!! Thatâ€™s the role of governmentâ€¦

People should not be able to invest their social security account as they wish!! Thatâ€™s the role of the governmentâ€¦

If I forgot a topic or an issue please just fill it in with the followingâ€¦

â€œBLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA..BUSH IS THE DEVIL BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAAâ€¦REPUBLICANS ARE THE DEVILâ€¦ WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAAâ€¦AMERICA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLDâ€¦-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAAâ€¦â€


IN CONLUSION::::::

I have posted this because it addresses nearly all the issues that â€œthink progressâ€ and its bloggers believe/state/dream aboutâ€¦.in other words, this post can be placed on any of your blogs and it will make senseâ€¦â€¦thanks â€œthink progressâ€ bloggers for making this so easyâ€¦.if you think my post is foolishâ€¦.please remember---these are your words (with some editing liberties takenâ€¦oh I forgot---I should not mention anything about taking liberties)â€¦.dam America!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the posts on this site for several months there seems to be some consistency as to the feelings of the â€œbloggersâ€&#8230;&#8230;..let me summarize&#8230;&#8230;because somewhere in my following list you (yes, you the wacko â€œprogressiveâ€) will find an answer to ALL of the problems that America faces todayâ€¦.or at least the person/persons that are responsible for such a miserable existence that we must trudge through in Americaâ€¦..America the damned!!! Each of the items below are just a snippet of what â€œthink progressâ€ stands forâ€¦.soâ€¦in your wordsâ€¦.</p>
<p>Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnateâ€¦</p>
<p>Fox News is Hitlerâ€™s SS version of propaganda&#8230;</p>
<p>The Democrats are waayyy too conservative and right-leaning&#8230;.</p>
<p>The Republicans (gulp&#8230;I said the word Republicans) work for the Devil&#8230;</p>
<p>Lieberman is a Bush crony that never accomplished anything for the state of Connecticutâ€¦</p>
<p>Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>The War in Iraq was certainly for the oil and making rich people richer!!!</p>
<p>Halliburton? Planning the war(s) for years before 9/11â€¦</p>
<p>9/11? Bush not only knew exactly what/where/when/howâ€¦..he helped to plan itâ€¦..</p>
<p>9/11? The towers were not taken down by airplanesâ€¦American C-4 explosives were strategically placed to â€œtake â€˜em downâ€â€¦.</p>
<p>Bush planted the C4â€¦along with the help of Cheney and Rumsfieldâ€¦</p>
<p>The War in Iraq was certainly a follow-up to papa Bushâ€¦.and his â€œfailureâ€ in removing Saddamâ€¦..</p>
<p>Terrorism is not that big of a dealâ€¦it should be monitored and controlled by our police agenciesâ€¦.not the governmentâ€¦.</p>
<p>OBL is not that bad&#8230;.hell, America created him!!</p>
<p>Saddam is not the bad&#8230;hell, America created him!!</p>
<p>Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not that badâ€¦.he does not want nukes for weaponsâ€¦its all about the fuel baby!!!</p>
<p>Problems in the Middle East&#8230;Americas fault&#8230;</p>
<p>Darfur? Bush and Cheney are not fully responsible for the genocide&#8212;but at least 78%&#8230;.</p>
<p>Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>Try to resolve the problems in the Middle East??&#8212;Why does America feel it should stick its nose in others business&#8230;</p>
<p>Israel&#8230;Americaâ€™s puppet&#8230;.</p>
<p>Israel is the cause of most of the problems in the Middle Eastâ€¦.Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization&#8212;they were â€œelectedâ€ into a position of power in a democratic government!!!</p>
<p>America did the worse job of evacuating its citizens from Lebanonâ€¦Denmark did the bestâ€¦Denmark is #1!!! Denmark is #1!!!â€¦.</p>
<p>Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>American flags are made for one purposeâ€¦.to burn!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>The primary run off in Ct proves that the American people want an immediate withdrawal from Iraqâ€¦.</p>
<p>AIDS in Africa killing scores? Bushâ€™s Faultâ€¦.well, maybe 82% responsibleâ€¦</p>
<p>Socialism #1â€¦Communism #2â€¦.Dictatorship #3â€¦Democracy #4â€¦as ranked by the bloggers on â€œThink Progressâ€ as best form of govtâ€¦.</p>
<p>Global Warming is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>The short-comings of American schools&#8230;a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>The short-comings of Health-care&#8230;.a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Oil?&#8230;.ever since man has been able to process it into a usable fuel&#8230;.all the problems have been&#8230;..a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Wal-mart=Capitalism=Bush cronies=Conservatives=devil</p>
<p>Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>Mexican Immigration problem? No problemoâ€¦<br />
Katrina?&#8230;.a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;not the response&#8212;the actual cause of the hurricane&#8230;a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive</p>
<p>Katrinaâ€¦response to it?&#8230;.Bush hates blacks&#8230;..itâ€™s that simple&#8230;&#8230;did I mention Bush hates Mexicans, Canadians, French, Italians, Spaniards, Russians, Irish, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Aussies, Swedes, New Zealanders, anybody that might be of south American persuasion, anybody that might be a mix bred, anybody from Africa-even if they â€œlookâ€ white, and of courseâ€¦all Muslimsâ€¦.</p>
<p>Did I mention that according to this site that Bush hates gays? And wants them dead?</p>
<p>The economy&#8212;-the worse itâ€™s been in the history of America&#8212;-&#8230;.is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>International relations? well&#8212;before Bush we were loved from china to south America&#8230;but now&#8212;America is hated all around the world and we need to kowtow to the Europeans and Islam so they like usâ€¦..we want other people to like usâ€¦we really want other people to like usâ€¦â€¦â€¦please like usâ€¦..please?</p>
<p>Homeless problem in a city/town near you?&#8230;a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦</p>
<p>Abortion is good (million+ innocents a year)â€¦Death penalty is Bad (handful of convicted criminals a year)â€¦.</p>
<p>(Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate? </p>
<p>Lines at the super-marketâ€¦.. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦</p>
<p>Howard Stern being fined for foul behavior/languageâ€¦. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦.</p>
<p>Katrina â€œevacueesâ€ in Houston or other cities committing hideous crimes?&#8230; a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executiveâ€¦â€¦</p>
<p>Christian groups are bigots and things such as â€œfaith dayâ€ (at a ball park after the game) are nothing more than the radical rights attempt at â€œchristian-izingâ€ usâ€¦.</p>
<p>Americaâ€™s military is weak and the Draft is right around the cornerâ€¦</p>
<p>â€œGodâ€ should not be in the Pledgeâ€¦.</p>
<p>â€œGodâ€ should not be on our currencyâ€¦</p>
<p>â€œGodâ€ should not beâ€¦â€¦â€¦.</p>
<p>Cindy Sheehan should not be questioned nor debatedâ€¦..her son died for her right to hang out in Crawford dam it!!! </p>
<p>America went to war unpreparedâ€¦.look at the hummers!! They have absolutely no armorâ€¦.and its Bushâ€™s faultâ€¦</p>
<p>Democrats and Republicans are all the sameâ€¦evilâ€¦out for themselvesâ€¦slave-masters (its in their family history)â€¦sex addictsâ€¦and of course out to kill Americans in a fake war that was based on purposely fraudulent intelligenceâ€¦</p>
<p>The (mass) media is covering up everything!!!</p>
<p>Good policing and investigative work is called&#8212;racial profiling!!!</p>
<p>â€œMinimum Wage should be at least $18.00 a hourâ€</p>
<p>â€œProgressiveâ€ reporters get kick out of all the neo-cons news briefingsâ€¦</p>
<p>â€œMy phones have been taped because I went to an anti-war rally!â€</p>
<p>â€œMy cable has been on the blink and my phone has been making weird noises since I went to a anti-war Rallyâ€</p>
<p>Anybody that makes money and lives a successful life MUST be doing something that hurts the poor or crippledâ€¦.</p>
<p>Taxes and more taxes are good for the economyâ€¦tax cuts/breaks only help the millionairesâ€¦</p>
<p>SUVâ€™s were created by conservatives that wanted to help out their â€œoil buddiesâ€â€¦</p>
<p>People should not be expected to take care of themselves!!! Thatâ€™s the role of governmentâ€¦</p>
<p>People should not be able to invest their social security account as they wish!! Thatâ€™s the role of the governmentâ€¦</p>
<p>If I forgot a topic or an issue please just fill it in with the followingâ€¦</p>
<p>â€œBLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA..BUSH IS THE DEVIL BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAAâ€¦REPUBLICANS ARE THE DEVILâ€¦ WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAAâ€¦AMERICA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLDâ€¦-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAAâ€¦â€</p>
<p>IN CONLUSION::::::</p>
<p>I have posted this because it addresses nearly all the issues that â€œthink progressâ€ and its bloggers believe/state/dream aboutâ€¦.in other words, this post can be placed on any of your blogs and it will make senseâ€¦â€¦thanks â€œthink progressâ€ bloggers for making this so easyâ€¦.if you think my post is foolishâ€¦.please remember&#8212;these are your words (with some editing liberties takenâ€¦oh I forgot&#8212;I should not mention anything about taking liberties)â€¦.dam America!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=730171', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Chrisi Canad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/02/malkin-conspiracy/comment-page-7/#comment-720692</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrisi Canad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms Malkin is right on the money
 9 11 WAS WHAT IS WAS. Buildings brought down by Jihadist evil freaks
The bldg in Qana used, staged, &amp; manipulated to make Israel look bad is now known as QANA 2. A fave Hizbullah spot that again came down 8 hours after it was suppose to. It&#039;s called Hizbullywood... No fancy argument. The only conspiracy there is an old trick used by Muslim terrorists twice i.e. every time Israel fights back.  Israel should stop apologizing and blind naive infidels who still can&#039;t see that we are all next to kiss the Quran and speak Iraninian, are too busy looking for conspiracies instead of learning to speak the peaceful Arabic language sooner than you think</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Malkin is right on the money<br />
 9 11 WAS WHAT IS WAS. Buildings brought down by Jihadist evil freaks<br />
The bldg in Qana used, staged, &amp; manipulated to make Israel look bad is now known as QANA 2. A fave Hizbullah spot that again came down 8 hours after it was suppose to. It&#8217;s called Hizbullywood&#8230; No fancy argument. The only conspiracy there is an old trick used by Muslim terrorists twice i.e. every time Israel fights back.  Israel should stop apologizing and blind naive infidels who still can&#8217;t see that we are all next to kiss the Quran and speak Iraninian, are too busy looking for conspiracies instead of learning to speak the peaceful Arabic language sooner than you think<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=720692', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/02/malkin-conspiracy/comment-page-7/#comment-715654</link>
		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;This should be a mantra repeated by all the Democrats during their campaigns. 
Comment by Larry from C â€” August 8, 2006 @ 8:12 pm &lt;/em&gt;

Except that the Democrats are just as much in bed with Big Oil campaign contributions and don&#039;t wanna bite the polysorbate 80 hand that feeds them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>This should be a mantra repeated by all the Democrats during their campaigns.<br />
Comment by Larry from C â€” August 8, 2006 @ 8:12 pm </em></p>
<p>Except that the Democrats are just as much in bed with Big Oil campaign contributions and don&#8217;t wanna bite the polysorbate 80 hand that feeds them.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=715654', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<dc:creator>mm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May be all conspiracies started here !!
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2449.htm#001
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1973.htm#001</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be all conspiracies started here !!<br />
<a href="http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2449.htm#001" rel="nofollow">http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2449.htm#001</a><br />
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pallywood 

The material we show here constitutes a tiny fragment of a much larger phenomenon, raw footage from Palestinian photographers working for major western media outlets. From this material, our news agencies prepare news reports that shape our perceptions of what is happening in the Middle East Conflict.

We think that a close analysis of this material defies all expectations of what such footage should resemble, and suggest that Palestinian photographers do not at all share the same production and journalistic values espoused by a free press. We leave the experience and the judgment to you:

HEREâ€™S THE EVIDENCE; YOU DECIDE

What we present you here is raw material, and we invite you to help us analyze it. 
We provide you with site maps http://www.seconddraft.org/maps_pallywood.php, and we have broken the material down into manageable and coherent segments http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php, by the position of the cameraman. What you see here are the â€œrushesâ€ taken by a Palestinian cameraman working with the equipment of, and for, a major western media outlet. This represents the second day of â€œriotingâ€ in the territories, since Sharonâ€™s visit to the Temple Mount. During that day, according to witnesses on both sides, the Israelis never left their compound (see map). At the end of the day, firing broke out, and the Palestinians claimed five dead and many wounded. In the Western press, this day appears as the beginning of the â€œSecond Intifada,â€ the day both the West Bank and Gaza exploded in rage and violence against Israel.

The material is not easy to interpret. We therefore offer you three approaches:

1) CSI (Crime Scene Investigation): For those who want to take the time to examine the evidence themselves, and come to their own conclusions. http://www.seconddraft.org/rushes.php

2) Edited: For those who want to see the original material, but have it edited to bring the most relevant footage together. http://www.seconddraft.org/selections.php

3) Packaged: For those who want a quick introduction to the material that we have put together. http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php
In all cases, people who have the ability to go back and see the original material we have taken our excerpts from. Then they are welcome to join the larger discussion of what this tells us about our media right now.

In any case, these rushes demand from us a CSI approach, the kind of approach a historian, or a forensic expert might employ. For those looking at the raw material, we recommend that you view it a number of times, with certain issues in mind:

- Where is the Israeli position? 

- What role does its presence play in the behavior of the Palestinians? 

- What of the bystanders? 

- What characterizes their behavior both towards the wounded and towards the apparent source of the wounds (i.e., the Israelis)? 
Then go back and look at the action figures, the wounded, those who evacuate, the ambulance drivers, the cameramen: 

- What are they doing? 

- What relationships do they have?

- Why are the evacuations so rough and hurried? Why do they run the wounded before putting them on a stretcher? 

- What further damage would they do to a youth with a wound worthy of an ambulance evacuation?

- What do the bystanders do after the action is over?

- Whatâ€™s going on here?

We invite your comment on all aspects of the dossier, from the details of in what sequence the segments were taken (how to judge the time of day), to who the key players are, and we provide forums for these discussions. 

But the dossier suggests far more than what it specifically shows us about September 30, and raises larger questions to which we invite all of you, no matter how youâ€™ve entered into the subject matter, to comment upon:

- How long has this been going on?

- What percent of the vast body of Palestinian camerawork for foreign media reflects the production values we see at work here?

- To what extent do western journalists, in producing their reports, show any sign of awareness that they are working with such material?

- How much of our news is shaped by such material and the oversight it suggests?

- Is this still happening? 

- What are the consequences for the public and global culture of this oversight?
We feel that the material you are about to see bears witness to a failure of our MSM culture comparable to that of the Emperor and his court when he paraded naked in front of his public. Moreover, that error is kept from us only by our mediaâ€™s refusal to let the public see their sources. Only the chance circumstances that brought this material to a few peopleâ€™s attention, and the existence of an open internet where we can post the material, makes it possible for the public to consider this costly media embarrassment. The consequences have been and continue to be detrimental to all involved â€“ Palestinians, Israelis, all the people around the world who wish to see peace come to this troubled area and wish for the great encounter between the peopleâ€™s of the world that now takes place to happen in peace and mutual respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pallywood </p>
<p>The material we show here constitutes a tiny fragment of a much larger phenomenon, raw footage from Palestinian photographers working for major western media outlets. From this material, our news agencies prepare news reports that shape our perceptions of what is happening in the Middle East Conflict.</p>
<p>We think that a close analysis of this material defies all expectations of what such footage should resemble, and suggest that Palestinian photographers do not at all share the same production and journalistic values espoused by a free press. We leave the experience and the judgment to you:</p>
<p>HEREâ€™S THE EVIDENCE; YOU DECIDE</p>
<p>What we present you here is raw material, and we invite you to help us analyze it.<br />
We provide you with site maps <a href="http://www.seconddraft.org/maps_pallywood.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.seconddraft.org/maps_pallywood.php</a>, and we have broken the material down into manageable and coherent segments <a href="http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php</a>, by the position of the cameraman. What you see here are the â€œrushesâ€ taken by a Palestinian cameraman working with the equipment of, and for, a major western media outlet. This represents the second day of â€œriotingâ€ in the territories, since Sharonâ€™s visit to the Temple Mount. During that day, according to witnesses on both sides, the Israelis never left their compound (see map). At the end of the day, firing broke out, and the Palestinians claimed five dead and many wounded. In the Western press, this day appears as the beginning of the â€œSecond Intifada,â€ the day both the West Bank and Gaza exploded in rage and violence against Israel.</p>
<p>The material is not easy to interpret. We therefore offer you three approaches:</p>
<p>1) CSI (Crime Scene Investigation): For those who want to take the time to examine the evidence themselves, and come to their own conclusions. <a href="http://www.seconddraft.org/rushes.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.seconddraft.org/rushes.php</a></p>
<p>2) Edited: For those who want to see the original material, but have it edited to bring the most relevant footage together. <a href="http://www.seconddraft.org/selections.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.seconddraft.org/selections.php</a></p>
<p>3) Packaged: For those who want a quick introduction to the material that we have put together. <a href="http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php</a><br />
In all cases, people who have the ability to go back and see the original material we have taken our excerpts from. Then they are welcome to join the larger discussion of what this tells us about our media right now.</p>
<p>In any case, these rushes demand from us a CSI approach, the kind of approach a historian, or a forensic expert might employ. For those looking at the raw material, we recommend that you view it a number of times, with certain issues in mind:</p>
<p>- Where is the Israeli position? </p>
<p>- What role does its presence play in the behavior of the Palestinians? </p>
<p>- What of the bystanders? </p>
<p>- What characterizes their behavior both towards the wounded and towards the apparent source of the wounds (i.e., the Israelis)?<br />
Then go back and look at the action figures, the wounded, those who evacuate, the ambulance drivers, the cameramen: </p>
<p>- What are they doing? </p>
<p>- What relationships do they have?</p>
<p>- Why are the evacuations so rough and hurried? Why do they run the wounded before putting them on a stretcher? </p>
<p>- What further damage would they do to a youth with a wound worthy of an ambulance evacuation?</p>
<p>- What do the bystanders do after the action is over?</p>
<p>- Whatâ€™s going on here?</p>
<p>We invite your comment on all aspects of the dossier, from the details of in what sequence the segments were taken (how to judge the time of day), to who the key players are, and we provide forums for these discussions. </p>
<p>But the dossier suggests far more than what it specifically shows us about September 30, and raises larger questions to which we invite all of you, no matter how youâ€™ve entered into the subject matter, to comment upon:</p>
<p>- How long has this been going on?</p>
<p>- What percent of the vast body of Palestinian camerawork for foreign media reflects the production values we see at work here?</p>
<p>- To what extent do western journalists, in producing their reports, show any sign of awareness that they are working with such material?</p>
<p>- How much of our news is shaped by such material and the oversight it suggests?</p>
<p>- Is this still happening? </p>
<p>- What are the consequences for the public and global culture of this oversight?<br />
We feel that the material you are about to see bears witness to a failure of our MSM culture comparable to that of the Emperor and his court when he paraded naked in front of his public. Moreover, that error is kept from us only by our mediaâ€™s refusal to let the public see their sources. Only the chance circumstances that brought this material to a few peopleâ€™s attention, and the existence of an open internet where we can post the material, makes it possible for the public to consider this costly media embarrassment. The consequences have been and continue to be detrimental to all involved â€“ Palestinians, Israelis, all the people around the world who wish to see peace come to this troubled area and wish for the great encounter between the peopleâ€™s of the world that now takes place to happen in peace and mutual respect.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=712289', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Lies Are Out There
BY JIM MEIGS

Published in the March, 2005 issue.

 
&quot;Everyone is entitled to his own opinion,&quot; the great Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York was fond of saying. &quot;He is not entitled to his own facts.&quot; 

It has been 3-1/2 years since the September 11 attacks. In that time, the American people have questioned why we were caught off guard and have demanded to know the whole story behind the events of that terrible day. But as a society we accept the basic premise that a group of Islamist terrorists hijacked four airplanes and turned them into weapons against us.

Sadly, the noble search for truth is now being hijacked by a growing army of conspiracy theorists. A few of these skeptics make a responsible effort to sift through the mountain of information, but most ignore all but a few stray details they think support their theories. In fact, many conspiracy advocates demonstrate a maddening double standard. They distrust every bit of the mainstream account of 9/11, yet happily embrace the flimsiest evidence to promote their wildest notions: that Osama bin Laden attacked the United States with help from the CIA; that the hijacked planes weren&#039;t commercial jets, but military aircraft, cruise missiles or remote-control drones; that the World Trade Center buildings were professionally demolished.

These 9/11 conspiracy theories, long popular abroad, are gradually--though more quietly--seeping into mainstream America. Allegations of U.S. complicity in the attacks have become standard fare on talk radio and among activists on both the extreme left and the extreme right of the political spectrum.

 
ASSAULT ON THE TRUTH: Three and a half years after 9/11, conspiracy theorists are trying to rewrite history.
 
Don&#039;t get me wrong: Healthy skepticism is a good thing. Nobody should take everything they hear--from the government, the media or anybody else--at face value. But in a culture shaped by Oliver Stone movies and &quot;X-Files&quot; episodes, it is apparently getting harder for simple, hard facts to hold their own against elaborate, shadowy theorizing.

Fortunately, facts can be checked. For our special report, PM compiled a list of the 16 most common claims made by conspiracy theorists, assertions that are at the root of virtually every 9/11 alternative scenario. These claims all involve fields that are part of PM&#039;s core expertise--structural engineering, aviation, military technology and science.

We assembled a team of reporters and researchers, including professional fact checkers and the editors of PM, and methodically analyzed all 16 conspiracy claims. We interviewed scores of engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses and members of the investigative teams who have held the wreckage of the attacks in their own hands. We pored over photography, maps, blueprints, aviation logs and transcripts. In every single instance, we found that the facts used by conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies were mistaken, misunderstood or deliberately falsified.

Reasonable people are entitled to wish that our government had been better prepared and more alert. But those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth--and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;9/11: Debunking The Myths
PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

Published in the March, 2005 issue.





FALSE WITNESS: Conspiracy theorists claim this photo &quot;proves&quot; the 9/11 attacks were a U.S. military operation. PHOTOGRAPH BY ROB HOWARD
  


For background on this investigative feature, please click here.

FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?

Three and a half years later, not everyone is convinced we know the truth. Go to Google.com, type in the search phrase &quot;World Trade Center conspiracy&quot; and you&#039;ll get links to an estimated 628,000 Web sites. More than 3000 books on 9/11 have been published; many of them reject the official consensus that hijackers associated with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda flew passenger planes into U.S. landmarks.

Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia. Wild conspiracy tales are peddled daily on the Internet, talk radio and in other media. Blurry photos, quotes taken out of context and sketchy eyewitness accounts have inspired a slew of elaborate theories: The Pentagon was struck by a missile; the World Trade Center was razed by demolition-style bombs; Flight 93 was shot down by a mysterious white jet. As outlandish as these claims may sound, they are increasingly accepted abroad and among extremists here in the United States.

To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.

In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.--THE EDITORS
 




  


THE PLANES
The widely accepted account that hijackers commandeered and crashed the four 9/11 planes is supported by reams of evidence, from cockpit recordings to forensics to the fact that crews and passengers never returned home. Nonetheless, conspiracy theorists seize on a handful of &quot;facts&quot; to argue a very different scenario: The jets that struck New York and Washington, D.C., weren&#039;t commercial planes, they say, but something else, perhaps refueling tankers or guided missiles. And the lack of military intervention? Theorists claim it proves the U.S. government instigated the assault or allowed it to occur in order to advance oil interests or a war agenda.




  


Where&#039;s The Pod?
CLAIM:Photographs and video footage shot just before United Airlines Flight 175 hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) show an object underneath the fuselage at the base of the right wing. The film &quot;911 In Plane Site&quot; and the Web site LetsRoll911.org claim that no such object is found on a stock Boeing 767. They speculate that this &quot;military pod&quot; is a missile, a bomb or a piece of equipment on an air-refueling tanker. LetsRoll911.org points to this as evidence that the attacks were an &quot;inside job&quot; sanctioned by &quot;President George Bush, who planned and engineered 9/11.&quot;

FACT: One of the clearest, most widely seen pictures of the doomed jet&#039;s undercarriage was taken by photographer Rob Howard and published in New York magazine and elsewhere (opening page). PM sent a digital scan of the original photo to Ronald Greeley, director of the Space Photography Laboratory at Arizona State University. Greeley is an expert at analyzing images to determine the shape and features of geological formations based on shadow and light effects. After studying the high-resolution image and comparing it to photos of a Boeing 767-200ER&#039;s undercarriage, Greeley dismissed the notion that the Howard photo reveals a &quot;pod.&quot; In fact, the photo reveals only the Boeing&#039;s right fairing, a pronounced bulge that contains the landing gear. He concludes that sunlight glinting off the fairing gave it an exaggerated look. &quot;Such a glint causes a blossoming (enlargement) on film,&quot; he writes in an e-mail to PM, &quot;which tends to be amplified in digital versions of images--the pixels are saturated and tend to &#039;spill over&#039; to adjacent pixels.&quot; When asked about pods attached to civilian aircraft, Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, gave a blunter response: &quot;That&#039;s bull. They&#039;re really stretching.&quot;
 

No Stand-Down Order
CLAIM: No fighter jets were scrambled from any of the 28 Air Force bases within close range of the four hijacked flights. &quot;On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C.,&quot; says the Web site emperors-clothes.com. &quot;They failed to do their job.&quot; &quot;There is only one explanation for this,&quot; writes Mark R. Elsis of StandDown.net. &quot;Our Air Force was ordered to Stand Down on 9/11.&quot;

FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. &quot;They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us,&quot; says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD&#039;s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.

Why couldn&#039;t ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes&#039; transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country&#039;s busiest air corridors. And NORAD&#039;s sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. &quot;It was like a doughnut,&quot; Martin says. &quot;There was no coverage in the middle.&quot; Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn&#039;t prepared to track them.
   
Flight 175&#039;s Windows
CLAIM:On Sept. 11, FOX News broadcast a live phone interview with FOX employee Marc Birnbach. 911inplanesite.com states that &quot;Bernback&quot; saw the plane &quot;crash into the South Tower.&quot; &quot;It definitely did not look like a commercial plane,&quot; Birnbach said on air. &quot;I didn&#039;t see any windows on the sides.&quot;

Coupled with photographs and videos of Flight 175 that lack the resolution to show windows, Birnbach&#039;s statement has fueled one of the most widely referenced 9/11 conspiracy theories--specifically, that the South Tower was struck by a military cargo plane or a fuel tanker.

FACT: Birnbach, who was a freelance videographer with FOX News at the time, tells PM that he was more than 2 miles southeast of the WTC, in Brooklyn, when he briefly saw a plane fly over. He says that, in fact, he did not see the plane strike the South Tower; he says he only heard the explosion.

While heading a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) probe into the collapse of the towers, W. Gene Corley studied the airplane wreckage. A licensed structural engineer with Construction Technology Laboratories, a consulting firm based in Skokie, Ill., Corley and his team photographed aircraft debris on the roof of WTC 5, including a chunk of fuselage that clearly had passenger windows. &quot;It&#039;s ... from the United Airlines plane that hit Tower 2,&quot; Corley states flatly. In reviewing crash footage taken by an ABC news crew, Corley was able to track the trajectory of the fragments he studied--including a section of the landing gear and part of an engine--as they tore through the South Tower, exited from the building&#039;s north side and fell from the sky.
  



PLAIN VIEW: Passenger windows on a piece of Flight 175&#039;s fuselage. PHOTOGRPAH BY WILLIAM F. BAKER/FEMA
  
 
Intercepts Not Routine
CLAIM:&quot;It has been standard operating procedures for decades to immediately intercept off-course planes that do not respond to communications from air traffic controllers,&quot; says the Web site oilempire.us. &quot;When the Air Force &#039;scrambles&#039; a fighter plane to intercept, they usually reach the plane in question in minutes.&quot;

FACT: In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart&#039;s Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). &quot;Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ,&quot; FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent.
   
 

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER
The collapse of both World Trade Center towers--and the smaller WTC 7 a few hours later--initially surprised even some experts. But subsequent studies have shown that the WTC&#039;s structural integrity was destroyed by intense fire as well as the severe damage inflicted by the planes. That explanation hasn&#039;t swayed conspiracy theorists, who contend that all three buildings were wired with explosives in advance and razed in a series of controlled demolitions.
  


  
 
Widespread Damage
CLAIM:The first hijacked plane crashed through the 94th to the 98th floors of the World Trade Center&#039;s 110-story North Tower; the second jet slammed into the 78th to the 84th floors of the 110-story South Tower. The impact and ensuing fires disrupted elevator service in both buildings. Plus, the lobbies of both buildings were visibly damaged before the towers collapsed. &quot;There is NO WAY the impact of the jet caused such widespread damage 80 stories below,&quot; claims a posting on the San Diego Independent Media Center Web site (sandiego.indymedia.org). &quot;It is OBVIOUS and irrefutable that OTHER EXPLOSIVES (... such as concussion bombs) HAD ALREADY BEEN DETONATED in the lower levels of tower one at the same time as the plane crash.&quot;

FACT: Following up on a May 2002 preliminary report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), a major study will be released in spring 2005 by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a branch of the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST shared its initial findings with PM and made its lead researcher available to our team of reporters.

The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower&#039;s core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel--and fiery destruction throughout the building. &quot;It&#039;s very hard to document where the fuel went,&quot; says Forman Williams, a NIST adviser and a combustion expert, &quot;but if it&#039;s atomized and combustible and gets to an ignition source, it&#039;ll go off.&quot;

Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that &quot;some elevators slammed right down&quot; to the ground floor. &quot;The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died,&quot; says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary &quot;9/11,&quot; by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film.
   
&quot;Melted&quot; Steel
CLAIM: &quot;We have been lied to,&quot; announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. &quot;The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel.&quot; The posting is entitled &quot;Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC.&quot;

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800Â° to 1500Â°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750Â°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn&#039;t need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. &quot;I have never seen melted steel in a building fire,&quot; says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. &quot;But I&#039;ve seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks.&quot;

&quot;Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100Â°F,&quot; notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. &quot;And at 1800Â° it is probably at less than 10 percent.&quot; NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn&#039;t the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832Â°F.

&quot;The jet fuel was the ignition source,&quot; Williams tells PM. &quot;It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down.&quot;
   
Puffs Of Dust
CLAIM:As each tower collapsed, clearly visible puffs of dust and debris were ejected from the sides of the buildings. An advertisement in The New York Times for the book Painful Questions: An Analysis Of The September 11th Attack made this claim: &quot;The concrete clouds shooting out of the buildings are not possible from a mere collapse. They do occur from explosions.&quot; Numerous conspiracy theorists cite Van Romero, an explosives expert and vice president of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, who was quoted on 9/11 by the Albuquerque Journal as saying &quot;there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse.&quot; The article continues, &quot;Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures.&quot;

FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process &quot;pancaking,&quot; and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. &quot;When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it&#039;s going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window,&quot; NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, &quot;but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception.&quot;

Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. &quot;I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building,&quot; he tells PM. &quot;I only said that that&#039;s what it looked like.&quot;

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. &quot;I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line.&quot; But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: &quot;The paymaster of Romero&#039;s research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement.&quot; Romero responds: &quot;Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years.&quot;
  



VIOLENT COLLAPSE: Pancaking floors--not controlled demolition--expel debris and smoke out South Tower windows. PHOTOGRAPH BY AP/WIDE WORLD PHOTOS
  
 
 

Seismic Spikes
CLAIM:Seismographs at Columbia University&#039;s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded the events of 9/11. &quot;The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before falling debris struck the earth,&quot; reports the Web site WhatReallyHappened.com.

A columnist on Prisonplanet.com, a Web site run by radio talk show host Alex Jones, claims the seismic spikes (boxed area on Graph 1) are &quot;indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down&quot; the towers. The Web site says its findings are supported by two seismologists at the observatory, Won-Young Kim and Arthur Lerner-Lam. Each &quot;sharp spike of short duration,&quot; says Prisonplanet.com, was consistent with a &quot;demolition-style implosion.&quot;

FACT:&quot;There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers,&quot; Lerner-Lam tells PM. &quot;That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context.&quot;

The report issued by Lamont-Doherty includes various graphs showing the seismic readings produced by the planes crashing into the two towers as well as the later collapse of both buildings. WhatReallyHappened.com chooses to display only one graph (Graph 1), which shows the readings over a 30-minute time span.

On that graph, the 8- and 10-second collapses appear--misleadingly--as a pair of sudden spikes. Lamont-Doherty&#039;s 40-second plot of the same data (Graph 2) gives a much more detailed picture: The seismic waves--blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower--start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground. Translation: no bombs.

WTC 7 Collapse
CLAIM:Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: &quot;The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one.&quot;

FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA&#039;s preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. &quot;The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7,&quot; NIST&#039;s Sunder tells PM. &quot;On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out.&quot; NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7&#039;s upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST&#039;s analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of &quot;progressive collapse,&quot; a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or &quot;kinks,&quot; in the building&#039;s facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building&#039;s failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. &quot;What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors,&quot; Sunder notes, &quot;it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down.&quot;

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building&#039;s other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. &quot;There was no firefighting in WTC 7,&quot; Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: &quot;Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time.&quot;

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building&#039;s unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.
       



FINE LINES: Revisionists say sharp spikes (graph 1, above) mean bombs toppled the WTC. Scientists disprove the claim with the more detailed graph 2 (below).
  




Seismograph readings by Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University/Won-Young Kim (senior research scientist)/Arthur Lerner-Lam (associate director)/Mary Tobin (senior science writer)/www.ldeo.columbia.edu/lcsn
  




FIRE STORM: WTC 7 stands amid the rubble of the recently collapsed Twin Towers. Damaged by falling debris, the building then endures a fire that rages for hours. Experts say this combination, not a demolition-style implosion, led to the roofline â€œkinkâ€ that signals WTC 7â€™s progressive collapse. PHOTOGRAPH BY NEW YORK OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
  
 
 

THE PENTAGON
At 9:37 am on 9/11, 51 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center, the Pentagon was similarly attacked. Though dozens of witnesses saw a Boeing 757 hit the building, conspiracy advocates insist there is evidence that a missile or a different type of plane smashed into the Pentagon.
  



HQ ATTACK: Taken three days after 9/11, this photo shows the extent of the damage to the Pentagon, consistent with a fiery plane crash. PHOTOGRAPH BY DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
  
 
Big Plane, Small Holes
CLAIM: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building&#039;s exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon&#039;s middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. &quot;How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?&quot; asks reopen911.org, a Web site &quot;dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001.&quot;

The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile--part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. &quot;This attack,&quot; he writes, &quot;could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel.&quot;

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon&#039;s exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn&#039;t the hole as wide as a 757&#039;s 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn&#039;t punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon&#039;s load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. &quot;If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building,&quot; Sozen tells PM, &quot;it didn&#039;t happen.&quot;

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet&#039;s landing gear, not by the fuselage.
  



HOLE TRUTH: Flight 77â€™s landing gear punched a 12-ft. hole into the Pentagonâ€™s Ring C. PHOTOGRAPH BY DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
  
 
Intact Windows
CLAIM:Many Pentagon windows remained in one piece--even those just above the point of impact from the Boeing 757 passenger plane. Pentagonstrike.co.uk, an online animation widely circulated in the United States and Europe, claims that photographs showing &quot;intact windows&quot; directly above the crash site prove &quot;a missile&quot; or &quot;a craft much smaller than a 757&quot; struck the Pentagon.

FACT: Some windows near the impact area did indeed survive the crash. But that&#039;s what the windows were supposed to do--they&#039;re blast-resistant.

&quot;A blast-resistant window must be designed to resist a force significantly higher than a hurricane that&#039;s hitting instantaneously,&quot; says Ken Hays, executive vice president of Masonry Arts, the Bessemer, Ala., company that designed, manufactured and installed the Pentagon windows. Some were knocked out of the walls by the crash and the outer ring&#039;s later collapse. &quot;They were not designed to receive wracking seismic force,&quot; Hays notes. &quot;They were designed to take in inward pressure from a blast event, which apparently they did: [Before the collapse] the blinds were still stacked neatly behind the window glass.&quot;
   
Flight 77 Debris
CLAIM:Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. &quot;In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found,&quot; claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, &quot;What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?&quot;

FACT:Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. &quot;It was absolutely a plane, and I&#039;ll tell you why,&quot; says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. &quot;I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.&quot; Kilsheimer&#039;s eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: &quot;I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?&quot;
  



AFTERMATH: Wreckage from Flight 77 on the Pentagonâ€™s lawn--proof that a passenger plane, not a missile, hit the building. PHOTOGRAPH BY AP/WIDE WORLD PHOTOS
  
 
 



FLIGHT 93
Cockpit recordings indicate the passengers on United Airlines Flight 93 teamed up to attack their hijackers, forcing down the plane near Shanksville, in southwestern Pennsylvania. But conspiracy theorists assert Flight 93 was destroyed by a heat-seeking missile from an F-16 or a mysterious white plane. Some theorists add far-fetched elaborations: No terrorists were aboard, or the passengers were drugged. The wildest is the &quot;bumble planes&quot; theory, which holds that passengers from Flights 11, 175 and 77 were loaded onto Flight 93 so the U.S. government could kill them.


The White Jet
CLAIM:At least six eyewitnesses say they saw a small white jet flying low over the crash area almost immediately after Flight 93 went down. BlogD.com theorizes that the aircraft was downed by &quot;either a missile fired from an Air Force jet, or via an electronic assault made by a U.S. Customs airplane reported to have been seen near the site minutes after Flight 93 crashed.&quot; WorldNetDaily.com weighs in: &quot;Witnesses to this low-flying jet ... told their story to journalists. Shortly thereafter, the FBI began to attack the witnesses with perhaps the most inane disinformation ever--alleging the witnesses actually observed a private jet at 34,000 ft. The FBI says the jet was asked to come down to 5000 ft. and try to find the crash site. This would require about 20 minutes to descend.&quot;

FACT: There was such a jet in the vicinity--a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF&#039;s director of aviation and travel, the FAA&#039;s Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude &quot;in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft.&quot;--not 34,000 ft. &quot;They were in a descent already going into Johnstown,&quot; Newell adds. &quot;The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on.&quot; Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly.


Roving Engine
CLAIM:One of Flight 93&#039;s engines was found &quot;at a considerable distance from the crash site,&quot; according to Lyle Szupinka, a state police officer on the scene who was quoted in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Offering no evidence, a posting on Rense.com claimed: &quot;The main body of the engine ... was found miles away from the main wreckage site with damage comparable to that which a heat-seeking missile would do to an airliner.&quot;

FACT: Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. &quot;It&#039;s not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground,&quot; says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. &quot;When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more,&quot; Hynes says, &quot;you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards.&quot; Numerous crash analysts contacted by PM concur.
 

Indian Lake
CLAIM:&quot;Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains,&quot; states a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article dated Sept. 13, 2001. &quot;Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly 6 miles from the immediate crash scene.&quot; Commenting on reports that Indian Lake residents collected debris, Think AndAsk.com speculates: &quot;On Sept. 10, 2001, a strong cold front pushed through the area, and behind it--winds blew northerly. Since Flight 93 crashed west-southwest of Indian Lake, it was impossible for debris to fly perpendicular to wind direction. ... The FBI lied.&quot; And the significance of widespread debris? Theorists claim the plane was breaking up before it crashed. TheForbiddenKnowledge.com states bluntly: &quot;Without a doubt, Flight 93 was shot down.&quot;

FACT:Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. &quot;Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion,&quot; says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater--not 6 miles--easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest--toward Indian Lake.
  



Map by International Mapping
  
 
F-16 Pilot
CLAIM:In February 2004, retired Army Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said on &quot;The Alex Jones Show,&quot; a radio talk show broadcast on 42 stations: &quot;It [Flight 93] was taken out by the North Dakota Air Guard. I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93.&quot; LetsRoll911.org, citing de Grand-Pre, identifies the pilot: &quot;Major Rick Gibney fired two Sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in midflight at precisely 0958.&quot; 

FACT: Saying he was reluctant to fuel debate by responding to unsubstantiated charges, Gibney (a lieutenant colonel, not a major) declined to comment. According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning--but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, N.D., and flew to Bozeman, Mont., to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, N.Y., so Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the state&#039;s response to 9/11. Jacoby confirms the day&#039;s events. &quot;I was in Big Sky for an emergency managers meeting. Someone called to say an F-16 was landing in Bozeman. From there we flew to Albany.&quot; Jacoby is outraged by the claim that Gibney shot down Flight 93. &quot;I summarily dismiss that because Lt. Col. Gibney was with me at that time. It disgusts me to see this because the public is being misled. More than anything else it disgusts me because it brings up fears. It brings up hopes--it brings up all sorts of feelings, not only to the victims&#039; families but to all the individuals throughout the country, and the world for that matter. I get angry at the misinformation out there.&quot;
   

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PHOTOGRAPHY RESEARCH: Sarah Shatz.
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PM consulted more than 300 experts and organizations in its investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories. The following were particularly helpful.

Air Crash Analysis
Cleveland Center regional air traffic control

Bill Crowley special agent, FBI

Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants

Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.

Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D.,
ATP, CFI, A&amp;P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes

Ed Jacoby Jr. director,
New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.)

Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority

Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.)

Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA

Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center

Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp.

James Oâ€™Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office

Jeff Pillets senior writer,
The Record, Hackensack, NJ

Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service

Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer,
119th Wing, North Dakota
Air National Guard

Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene

Air Defense
Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander,
U.S. Air Force

Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer,
Tyndall Air Force Base

Boston Center regional air traffic control

Laura Brown spokeswoman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation

Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board

Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board

Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer,
North American Aerospace Defense Command

Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer,
Andrews AFB

Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command

John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org

Hank Price spokesman, Federal
Aviation Administration

Warren Robak RAND Corp.

Bill Shumann spokesman,
Federal Aviation Administration

Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB

Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Janeâ€™s Transport

Aviation
Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology

Robert Everdeen public affairs, Northrop Grumman

Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert

Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week
 Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center

Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF)
director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman

Image Analysis
William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill

W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director,
FEMA Probe Team

Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group

Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week

Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert.

Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University

Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness

Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics,
University of California, San Diego

Structural Engineering / Building Collapse
Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction

David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report

Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.

Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee

Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety

John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team

Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts

Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E.
CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response

Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University

William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA

John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor

Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director,
Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University

James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee

Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash

Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon

Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Shyam Sunder, Sc.D.
acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology

Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University

Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,
San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology
 
 
 

  
 
  
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<blockquote><p>The Lies Are Out There<br />
BY JIM MEIGS</p>
<p>Published in the March, 2005 issue.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone is entitled to his own opinion,&#8221; the great Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York was fond of saying. &#8220;He is not entitled to his own facts.&#8221; </p>
<p>It has been 3-1/2 years since the September 11 attacks. In that time, the American people have questioned why we were caught off guard and have demanded to know the whole story behind the events of that terrible day. But as a society we accept the basic premise that a group of Islamist terrorists hijacked four airplanes and turned them into weapons against us.</p>
<p>Sadly, the noble search for truth is now being hijacked by a growing army of conspiracy theorists. A few of these skeptics make a responsible effort to sift through the mountain of information, but most ignore all but a few stray details they think support their theories. In fact, many conspiracy advocates demonstrate a maddening double standard. They distrust every bit of the mainstream account of 9/11, yet happily embrace the flimsiest evidence to promote their wildest notions: that Osama bin Laden attacked the United States with help from the CIA; that the hijacked planes weren&#8217;t commercial jets, but military aircraft, cruise missiles or remote-control drones; that the World Trade Center buildings were professionally demolished.</p>
<p>These 9/11 conspiracy theories, long popular abroad, are gradually&#8211;though more quietly&#8211;seeping into mainstream America. Allegations of U.S. complicity in the attacks have become standard fare on talk radio and among activists on both the extreme left and the extreme right of the political spectrum.</p>
<p>ASSAULT ON THE TRUTH: Three and a half years after 9/11, conspiracy theorists are trying to rewrite history.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong: Healthy skepticism is a good thing. Nobody should take everything they hear&#8211;from the government, the media or anybody else&#8211;at face value. But in a culture shaped by Oliver Stone movies and &#8220;X-Files&#8221; episodes, it is apparently getting harder for simple, hard facts to hold their own against elaborate, shadowy theorizing.</p>
<p>Fortunately, facts can be checked. For our special report, PM compiled a list of the 16 most common claims made by conspiracy theorists, assertions that are at the root of virtually every 9/11 alternative scenario. These claims all involve fields that are part of PM&#8217;s core expertise&#8211;structural engineering, aviation, military technology and science.</p>
<p>We assembled a team of reporters and researchers, including professional fact checkers and the editors of PM, and methodically analyzed all 16 conspiracy claims. We interviewed scores of engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses and members of the investigative teams who have held the wreckage of the attacks in their own hands. We pored over photography, maps, blueprints, aviation logs and transcripts. In every single instance, we found that the facts used by conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies were mistaken, misunderstood or deliberately falsified.</p>
<p>Reasonable people are entitled to wish that our government had been better prepared and more alert. But those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth&#8211;and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.</p>
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<p></strong><strong>9/11: Debunking The Myths<br />
PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.</p>
<p>Published in the March, 2005 issue.</p>
<p>FALSE WITNESS: Conspiracy theorists claim this photo &#8220;proves&#8221; the 9/11 attacks were a U.S. military operation. PHOTOGRAPH BY ROB HOWARD</p>
<p>For background on this investigative feature, please click here.</p>
<p>FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?</p>
<p>Three and a half years later, not everyone is convinced we know the truth. Go to Google.com, type in the search phrase &#8220;World Trade Center conspiracy&#8221; and you&#8217;ll get links to an estimated 628,000 Web sites. More than 3000 books on 9/11 have been published; many of them reject the official consensus that hijackers associated with Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda flew passenger planes into U.S. landmarks.</p>
<p>Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia. Wild conspiracy tales are peddled daily on the Internet, talk radio and in other media. Blurry photos, quotes taken out of context and sketchy eyewitness accounts have inspired a slew of elaborate theories: The Pentagon was struck by a missile; the World Trade Center was razed by demolition-style bombs; Flight 93 was shot down by a mysterious white jet. As outlandish as these claims may sound, they are increasingly accepted abroad and among extremists here in the United States.</p>
<p>To investigate 16 of the most prevalent claims made by conspiracy theorists, POPULAR MECHANICS assembled a team of nine researchers and reporters who, together with PM editors, consulted more than 70 professionals in fields that form the core content of this magazine, including aviation, engineering and the military.</p>
<p>In the end, we were able to debunk each of these assertions with hard evidence and a healthy dose of common sense. We learned that a few theories are based on something as innocent as a reporting error on that chaotic day. Others are the byproducts of cynical imaginations that aim to inject suspicion and animosity into public debate. Only by confronting such poisonous claims with irrefutable facts can we understand what really happened on a day that is forever seared into world history.&#8211;THE EDITORS</p>
<p>THE PLANES<br />
The widely accepted account that hijackers commandeered and crashed the four 9/11 planes is supported by reams of evidence, from cockpit recordings to forensics to the fact that crews and passengers never returned home. Nonetheless, conspiracy theorists seize on a handful of &#8220;facts&#8221; to argue a very different scenario: The jets that struck New York and Washington, D.C., weren&#8217;t commercial planes, they say, but something else, perhaps refueling tankers or guided missiles. And the lack of military intervention? Theorists claim it proves the U.S. government instigated the assault or allowed it to occur in order to advance oil interests or a war agenda.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s The Pod?<br />
CLAIM:Photographs and video footage shot just before United Airlines Flight 175 hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) show an object underneath the fuselage at the base of the right wing. The film &#8220;911 In Plane Site&#8221; and the Web site LetsRoll911.org claim that no such object is found on a stock Boeing 767. They speculate that this &#8220;military pod&#8221; is a missile, a bomb or a piece of equipment on an air-refueling tanker. LetsRoll911.org points to this as evidence that the attacks were an &#8220;inside job&#8221; sanctioned by &#8220;President George Bush, who planned and engineered 9/11.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT: One of the clearest, most widely seen pictures of the doomed jet&#8217;s undercarriage was taken by photographer Rob Howard and published in New York magazine and elsewhere (opening page). PM sent a digital scan of the original photo to Ronald Greeley, director of the Space Photography Laboratory at Arizona State University. Greeley is an expert at analyzing images to determine the shape and features of geological formations based on shadow and light effects. After studying the high-resolution image and comparing it to photos of a Boeing 767-200ER&#8217;s undercarriage, Greeley dismissed the notion that the Howard photo reveals a &#8220;pod.&#8221; In fact, the photo reveals only the Boeing&#8217;s right fairing, a pronounced bulge that contains the landing gear. He concludes that sunlight glinting off the fairing gave it an exaggerated look. &#8220;Such a glint causes a blossoming (enlargement) on film,&#8221; he writes in an e-mail to PM, &#8220;which tends to be amplified in digital versions of images&#8211;the pixels are saturated and tend to &#8217;spill over&#8217; to adjacent pixels.&#8221; When asked about pods attached to civilian aircraft, Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, gave a blunter response: &#8220;That&#8217;s bull. They&#8217;re really stretching.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Stand-Down Order<br />
CLAIM: No fighter jets were scrambled from any of the 28 Air Force bases within close range of the four hijacked flights. &#8220;On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C.,&#8221; says the Web site emperors-clothes.com. &#8220;They failed to do their job.&#8221; &#8220;There is only one explanation for this,&#8221; writes Mark R. Elsis of StandDown.net. &#8220;Our Air Force was ordered to Stand Down on 9/11.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. &#8220;They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us,&#8221; says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD&#8217;s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked&#8211;the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes.</p>
<p>Why couldn&#8217;t ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes&#8217; transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country&#8217;s busiest air corridors. And NORAD&#8217;s sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. &#8220;It was like a doughnut,&#8221; Martin says. &#8220;There was no coverage in the middle.&#8221; Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn&#8217;t prepared to track them.</p>
<p>Flight 175&#8217;s Windows<br />
CLAIM:On Sept. 11, FOX News broadcast a live phone interview with FOX employee Marc Birnbach. 911inplanesite.com states that &#8220;Bernback&#8221; saw the plane &#8220;crash into the South Tower.&#8221; &#8220;It definitely did not look like a commercial plane,&#8221; Birnbach said on air. &#8220;I didn&#8217;t see any windows on the sides.&#8221;</p>
<p>Coupled with photographs and videos of Flight 175 that lack the resolution to show windows, Birnbach&#8217;s statement has fueled one of the most widely referenced 9/11 conspiracy theories&#8211;specifically, that the South Tower was struck by a military cargo plane or a fuel tanker.</p>
<p>FACT: Birnbach, who was a freelance videographer with FOX News at the time, tells PM that he was more than 2 miles southeast of the WTC, in Brooklyn, when he briefly saw a plane fly over. He says that, in fact, he did not see the plane strike the South Tower; he says he only heard the explosion.</p>
<p>While heading a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) probe into the collapse of the towers, W. Gene Corley studied the airplane wreckage. A licensed structural engineer with Construction Technology Laboratories, a consulting firm based in Skokie, Ill., Corley and his team photographed aircraft debris on the roof of WTC 5, including a chunk of fuselage that clearly had passenger windows. &#8220;It&#8217;s &#8230; from the United Airlines plane that hit Tower 2,&#8221; Corley states flatly. In reviewing crash footage taken by an ABC news crew, Corley was able to track the trajectory of the fragments he studied&#8211;including a section of the landing gear and part of an engine&#8211;as they tore through the South Tower, exited from the building&#8217;s north side and fell from the sky.</p>
<p>PLAIN VIEW: Passenger windows on a piece of Flight 175&#8217;s fuselage. PHOTOGRPAH BY WILLIAM F. BAKER/FEMA</p>
<p>Intercepts Not Routine<br />
CLAIM:&#8221;It has been standard operating procedures for decades to immediately intercept off-course planes that do not respond to communications from air traffic controllers,&#8221; says the Web site oilempire.us. &#8220;When the Air Force &#8217;scrambles&#8217; a fighter plane to intercept, they usually reach the plane in question in minutes.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT: In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart&#8217;s Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet. Rules in effect back then, and on 9/11, prohibited supersonic flight on intercepts. Prior to 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). &#8220;Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ,&#8221; FAA spokesman Bill Schumann tells PM. After 9/11, NORAD and the FAA increased cooperation, setting up hotlines between ATCs and NORAD command centers, according to officials from both agencies. NORAD has also increased its fighter coverage and has installed radar to monitor airspace over the continent.</p>
<p>THE WORLD TRADE CENTER<br />
The collapse of both World Trade Center towers&#8211;and the smaller WTC 7 a few hours later&#8211;initially surprised even some experts. But subsequent studies have shown that the WTC&#8217;s structural integrity was destroyed by intense fire as well as the severe damage inflicted by the planes. That explanation hasn&#8217;t swayed conspiracy theorists, who contend that all three buildings were wired with explosives in advance and razed in a series of controlled demolitions.</p>
<p>Widespread Damage<br />
CLAIM:The first hijacked plane crashed through the 94th to the 98th floors of the World Trade Center&#8217;s 110-story North Tower; the second jet slammed into the 78th to the 84th floors of the 110-story South Tower. The impact and ensuing fires disrupted elevator service in both buildings. Plus, the lobbies of both buildings were visibly damaged before the towers collapsed. &#8220;There is NO WAY the impact of the jet caused such widespread damage 80 stories below,&#8221; claims a posting on the San Diego Independent Media Center Web site (sandiego.indymedia.org). &#8220;It is OBVIOUS and irrefutable that OTHER EXPLOSIVES (&#8230; such as concussion bombs) HAD ALREADY BEEN DETONATED in the lower levels of tower one at the same time as the plane crash.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT: Following up on a May 2002 preliminary report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), a major study will be released in spring 2005 by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a branch of the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST shared its initial findings with PM and made its lead researcher available to our team of reporters.</p>
<p>The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower&#8217;s core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel&#8211;and fiery destruction throughout the building. &#8220;It&#8217;s very hard to document where the fuel went,&#8221; says Forman Williams, a NIST adviser and a combustion expert, &#8220;but if it&#8217;s atomized and combustible and gets to an ignition source, it&#8217;ll go off.&#8221;</p>
<p>Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that &#8220;some elevators slammed right down&#8221; to the ground floor. &#8220;The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died,&#8221; says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary &#8220;9/11,&#8221; by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film.</p>
<p>&#8220;Melted&#8221; Steel<br />
CLAIM: &#8220;We have been lied to,&#8221; announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. &#8220;The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel.&#8221; The posting is entitled &#8220;Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800Â° to 1500Â°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750Â°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn&#8217;t need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength&#8211;and that required exposure to much less heat. &#8220;I have never seen melted steel in a building fire,&#8221; says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. &#8220;But I&#8217;ve seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100Â°F,&#8221; notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. &#8220;And at 1800Â° it is probably at less than 10 percent.&#8221; NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.</p>
<p>But jet fuel wasn&#8217;t the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832Â°F.</p>
<p>&#8220;The jet fuel was the ignition source,&#8221; Williams tells PM. &#8220;It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Puffs Of Dust<br />
CLAIM:As each tower collapsed, clearly visible puffs of dust and debris were ejected from the sides of the buildings. An advertisement in The New York Times for the book Painful Questions: An Analysis Of The September 11th Attack made this claim: &#8220;The concrete clouds shooting out of the buildings are not possible from a mere collapse. They do occur from explosions.&#8221; Numerous conspiracy theorists cite Van Romero, an explosives expert and vice president of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, who was quoted on 9/11 by the Albuquerque Journal as saying &#8220;there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse.&#8221; The article continues, &#8220;Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process &#8220;pancaking,&#8221; and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.</p>
<p>Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air&#8211;along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse&#8211;was ejected with enormous energy. &#8220;When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it&#8217;s going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window,&#8221; NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, &#8220;but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception.&#8221;</p>
<p>Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. &#8220;I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building,&#8221; he tells PM. &#8220;I only said that that&#8217;s what it looked like.&#8221;</p>
<p>Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. &#8220;I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line.&#8221; But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: &#8220;The paymaster of Romero&#8217;s research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement.&#8221; Romero responds: &#8220;Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years.&#8221;</p>
<p>VIOLENT COLLAPSE: Pancaking floors&#8211;not controlled demolition&#8211;expel debris and smoke out South Tower windows. PHOTOGRAPH BY AP/WIDE WORLD PHOTOS</p>
<p>Seismic Spikes<br />
CLAIM:Seismographs at Columbia University&#8217;s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded the events of 9/11. &#8220;The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before falling debris struck the earth,&#8221; reports the Web site WhatReallyHappened.com.</p>
<p>A columnist on Prisonplanet.com, a Web site run by radio talk show host Alex Jones, claims the seismic spikes (boxed area on Graph 1) are &#8220;indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down&#8221; the towers. The Web site says its findings are supported by two seismologists at the observatory, Won-Young Kim and Arthur Lerner-Lam. Each &#8220;sharp spike of short duration,&#8221; says Prisonplanet.com, was consistent with a &#8220;demolition-style implosion.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT:&#8221;There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers,&#8221; Lerner-Lam tells PM. &#8220;That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context.&#8221;</p>
<p>The report issued by Lamont-Doherty includes various graphs showing the seismic readings produced by the planes crashing into the two towers as well as the later collapse of both buildings. WhatReallyHappened.com chooses to display only one graph (Graph 1), which shows the readings over a 30-minute time span.</p>
<p>On that graph, the 8- and 10-second collapses appear&#8211;misleadingly&#8211;as a pair of sudden spikes. Lamont-Doherty&#8217;s 40-second plot of the same data (Graph 2) gives a much more detailed picture: The seismic waves&#8211;blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower&#8211;start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground. Translation: no bombs.</p>
<p>WTC 7 Collapse<br />
CLAIM:Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: &#8220;The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA&#8217;s preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. &#8220;The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7,&#8221; NIST&#8217;s Sunder tells PM. &#8220;On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom&#8211;approximately 10 stories&#8211;about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out.&#8221; NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7&#8217;s upper stories and its southwest corner.</p>
<p>NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST&#8217;s analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of &#8220;progressive collapse,&#8221; a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or &#8220;kinks,&#8221; in the building&#8217;s facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.</p>
<p>According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building&#8217;s failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. &#8220;What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors,&#8221; Sunder notes, &#8220;it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building&#8217;s other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.</p>
<p>Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. &#8220;There was no firefighting in WTC 7,&#8221; Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: &#8220;Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time.&#8221;</p>
<p>WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors&#8211;along with the building&#8217;s unusual construction&#8211;were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.</p>
<p>FINE LINES: Revisionists say sharp spikes (graph 1, above) mean bombs toppled the WTC. Scientists disprove the claim with the more detailed graph 2 (below).</p>
<p>Seismograph readings by Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University/Won-Young Kim (senior research scientist)/Arthur Lerner-Lam (associate director)/Mary Tobin (senior science writer)/www.ldeo.columbia.edu/lcsn</p>
<p>FIRE STORM: WTC 7 stands amid the rubble of the recently collapsed Twin Towers. Damaged by falling debris, the building then endures a fire that rages for hours. Experts say this combination, not a demolition-style implosion, led to the roofline â€œkinkâ€ that signals WTC 7â€™s progressive collapse. PHOTOGRAPH BY NEW YORK OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT</p>
<p>THE PENTAGON<br />
At 9:37 am on 9/11, 51 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center, the Pentagon was similarly attacked. Though dozens of witnesses saw a Boeing 757 hit the building, conspiracy advocates insist there is evidence that a missile or a different type of plane smashed into the Pentagon.</p>
<p>HQ ATTACK: Taken three days after 9/11, this photo shows the extent of the damage to the Pentagon, consistent with a fiery plane crash. PHOTOGRAPH BY DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE</p>
<p>Big Plane, Small Holes<br />
CLAIM: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building&#8217;s exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon&#8217;s middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. &#8220;How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?&#8221; asks reopen911.org, a Web site &#8220;dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001.&#8221;</p>
<p>The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile&#8211;part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. &#8220;This attack,&#8221; he writes, &#8220;could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon&#8217;s exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.</p>
<p>Why wasn&#8217;t the hole as wide as a 757&#8217;s 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn&#8217;t punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon&#8217;s load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. &#8220;If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building,&#8221; Sozen tells PM, &#8220;it didn&#8217;t happen.&#8221;</p>
<p>The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide&#8211;not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet&#8217;s landing gear, not by the fuselage.</p>
<p>HOLE TRUTH: Flight 77â€™s landing gear punched a 12-ft. hole into the Pentagonâ€™s Ring C. PHOTOGRAPH BY DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE</p>
<p>Intact Windows<br />
CLAIM:Many Pentagon windows remained in one piece&#8211;even those just above the point of impact from the Boeing 757 passenger plane. Pentagonstrike.co.uk, an online animation widely circulated in the United States and Europe, claims that photographs showing &#8220;intact windows&#8221; directly above the crash site prove &#8220;a missile&#8221; or &#8220;a craft much smaller than a 757&#8243; struck the Pentagon.</p>
<p>FACT: Some windows near the impact area did indeed survive the crash. But that&#8217;s what the windows were supposed to do&#8211;they&#8217;re blast-resistant.</p>
<p>&#8220;A blast-resistant window must be designed to resist a force significantly higher than a hurricane that&#8217;s hitting instantaneously,&#8221; says Ken Hays, executive vice president of Masonry Arts, the Bessemer, Ala., company that designed, manufactured and installed the Pentagon windows. Some were knocked out of the walls by the crash and the outer ring&#8217;s later collapse. &#8220;They were not designed to receive wracking seismic force,&#8221; Hays notes. &#8220;They were designed to take in inward pressure from a blast event, which apparently they did: [Before the collapse] the blinds were still stacked neatly behind the window glass.&#8221;</p>
<p>Flight 77 Debris<br />
CLAIM:Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. &#8220;In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found,&#8221; claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, &#8220;What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT:Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. &#8220;It was absolutely a plane, and I&#8217;ll tell you why,&#8221; says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. &#8220;I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box.&#8221; Kilsheimer&#8217;s eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: &#8220;I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?&#8221;</p>
<p>AFTERMATH: Wreckage from Flight 77 on the Pentagonâ€™s lawn&#8211;proof that a passenger plane, not a missile, hit the building. PHOTOGRAPH BY AP/WIDE WORLD PHOTOS</p>
<p>FLIGHT 93<br />
Cockpit recordings indicate the passengers on United Airlines Flight 93 teamed up to attack their hijackers, forcing down the plane near Shanksville, in southwestern Pennsylvania. But conspiracy theorists assert Flight 93 was destroyed by a heat-seeking missile from an F-16 or a mysterious white plane. Some theorists add far-fetched elaborations: No terrorists were aboard, or the passengers were drugged. The wildest is the &#8220;bumble planes&#8221; theory, which holds that passengers from Flights 11, 175 and 77 were loaded onto Flight 93 so the U.S. government could kill them.</p>
<p>The White Jet<br />
CLAIM:At least six eyewitnesses say they saw a small white jet flying low over the crash area almost immediately after Flight 93 went down. BlogD.com theorizes that the aircraft was downed by &#8220;either a missile fired from an Air Force jet, or via an electronic assault made by a U.S. Customs airplane reported to have been seen near the site minutes after Flight 93 crashed.&#8221; WorldNetDaily.com weighs in: &#8220;Witnesses to this low-flying jet &#8230; told their story to journalists. Shortly thereafter, the FBI began to attack the witnesses with perhaps the most inane disinformation ever&#8211;alleging the witnesses actually observed a private jet at 34,000 ft. The FBI says the jet was asked to come down to 5000 ft. and try to find the crash site. This would require about 20 minutes to descend.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT: There was such a jet in the vicinity&#8211;a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C., an apparel company that markets Wrangler jeans and other brands. The VF plane was flying into Johnstown-Cambria airport, 20 miles north of Shanksville. According to David Newell, VF&#8217;s director of aviation and travel, the FAA&#8217;s Cleveland Center contacted copilot Yates Gladwell when the Falcon was at an altitude &#8220;in the neighborhood of 3000 to 4000 ft.&#8221;&#8211;not 34,000 ft. &#8220;They were in a descent already going into Johnstown,&#8221; Newell adds. &#8220;The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on.&#8221; Reached by PM, Gladwell confirmed this account but, concerned about ongoing harassment by conspiracy theorists, asked not to be quoted directly.</p>
<p>Roving Engine<br />
CLAIM:One of Flight 93&#8217;s engines was found &#8220;at a considerable distance from the crash site,&#8221; according to Lyle Szupinka, a state police officer on the scene who was quoted in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Offering no evidence, a posting on Rense.com claimed: &#8220;The main body of the engine &#8230; was found miles away from the main wreckage site with damage comparable to that which a heat-seeking missile would do to an airliner.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT: Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. &#8220;It&#8217;s not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground,&#8221; says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. &#8220;When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more,&#8221; Hynes says, &#8220;you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards.&#8221; Numerous crash analysts contacted by PM concur.</p>
<p>Indian Lake<br />
CLAIM:&#8221;Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains,&#8221; states a Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article dated Sept. 13, 2001. &#8220;Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly 6 miles from the immediate crash scene.&#8221; Commenting on reports that Indian Lake residents collected debris, Think AndAsk.com speculates: &#8220;On Sept. 10, 2001, a strong cold front pushed through the area, and behind it&#8211;winds blew northerly. Since Flight 93 crashed west-southwest of Indian Lake, it was impossible for debris to fly perpendicular to wind direction. &#8230; The FBI lied.&#8221; And the significance of widespread debris? Theorists claim the plane was breaking up before it crashed. TheForbiddenKnowledge.com states bluntly: &#8220;Without a doubt, Flight 93 was shot down.&#8221;</p>
<p>FACT:Wallace Miller, Somerset County coroner, tells PM no body parts were found in Indian Lake. Human remains were confined to a 70-acre area directly surrounding the crash site. Paper and tiny scraps of sheetmetal, however, did land in the lake. &#8220;Very light debris will fly into the air, because of the concussion,&#8221; says former National Transportation Safety Board investigator Matthew McCormick. Indian Lake is less than 1.5 miles southeast of the impact crater&#8211;not 6 miles&#8211;easily within range of debris blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash. And the wind that day was northwesterly, at 9 to 12 mph, which means it was blowing from the northwest&#8211;toward Indian Lake.</p>
<p>Map by International Mapping</p>
<p>F-16 Pilot<br />
CLAIM:In February 2004, retired Army Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said on &#8220;The Alex Jones Show,&#8221; a radio talk show broadcast on 42 stations: &#8220;It [Flight 93] was taken out by the North Dakota Air Guard. I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93.&#8221; LetsRoll911.org, citing de Grand-Pre, identifies the pilot: &#8220;Major Rick Gibney fired two Sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in midflight at precisely 0958.&#8221; </p>
<p>FACT: Saying he was reluctant to fuel debate by responding to unsubstantiated charges, Gibney (a lieutenant colonel, not a major) declined to comment. According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning&#8211;but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, N.D., and flew to Bozeman, Mont., to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, N.Y., so Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the state&#8217;s response to 9/11. Jacoby confirms the day&#8217;s events. &#8220;I was in Big Sky for an emergency managers meeting. Someone called to say an F-16 was landing in Bozeman. From there we flew to Albany.&#8221; Jacoby is outraged by the claim that Gibney shot down Flight 93. &#8220;I summarily dismiss that because Lt. Col. Gibney was with me at that time. It disgusts me to see this because the public is being misled. More than anything else it disgusts me because it brings up fears. It brings up hopes&#8211;it brings up all sorts of feelings, not only to the victims&#8217; families but to all the individuals throughout the country, and the world for that matter. I get angry at the misinformation out there.&#8221;</p>
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<p>REPORTING: Benjamin Chertoff, Davin Coburn, Michael Connery, David Enders, Kevin Haynes, Kristin Roth, Tracy Saelinger, Erik Sofge and the editors of POPULAR MECHANICS.<br />
PHOTOGRAPHY RESEARCH: Sarah Shatz.<br />
SOURCES: For a list of experts consulted during the preparation of this article, click here.</p>
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<p>PM consulted more than 300 experts and organizations in its investigation into 9/11 conspiracy theories. The following were particularly helpful.</p>
<p>Air Crash Analysis<br />
Cleveland Center regional air traffic control</p>
<p>Bill Crowley special agent, FBI</p>
<p>Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants</p>
<p>Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review</p>
<p>Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.</p>
<p>Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D.,<br />
ATP, CFI, A&amp;P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes</p>
<p>Ed Jacoby Jr. director,<br />
New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.)</p>
<p>Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority</p>
<p>Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette</p>
<p>Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.)</p>
<p>Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA</p>
<p>Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center</p>
<p>Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp.</p>
<p>James Oâ€™Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette</p>
<p>Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office</p>
<p>Jeff Pillets senior writer,<br />
The Record, Hackensack, NJ</p>
<p>Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service</p>
<p>Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette</p>
<p>Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer,<br />
119th Wing, North Dakota<br />
Air National Guard</p>
<p>Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene</p>
<p>Air Defense<br />
Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander,<br />
U.S. Air Force</p>
<p>Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer,<br />
Tyndall Air Force Base</p>
<p>Boston Center regional air traffic control</p>
<p>Laura Brown spokeswoman,<br />
Federal Aviation Administration</p>
<p>Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation</p>
<p>Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board</p>
<p>Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board</p>
<p>Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer,<br />
North American Aerospace Defense Command</p>
<p>Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer,<br />
Andrews AFB</p>
<p>Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command</p>
<p>John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org</p>
<p>Hank Price spokesman, Federal<br />
Aviation Administration</p>
<p>Warren Robak RAND Corp.</p>
<p>Bill Shumann spokesman,<br />
Federal Aviation Administration</p>
<p>Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB</p>
<p>Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Janeâ€™s Transport</p>
<p>Aviation<br />
Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology</p>
<p>Robert Everdeen public affairs, Northrop Grumman</p>
<p>Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert</p>
<p>Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week<br />
 Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center</p>
<p>Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF)<br />
director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman</p>
<p>Image Analysis<br />
William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill</p>
<p>W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director,<br />
FEMA Probe Team</p>
<p>Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group</p>
<p>Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week</p>
<p>Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert.</p>
<p>Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University</p>
<p>Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness</p>
<p>Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics,<br />
University of California, San Diego</p>
<p>Structural Engineering / Building Collapse<br />
Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction</p>
<p>David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report</p>
<p>Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.</p>
<p>Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee</p>
<p>Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety</p>
<p>John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team</p>
<p>Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts</p>
<p>Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University</p>
<p>Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E.<br />
CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response</p>
<p>Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University</p>
<p>William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA</p>
<p>John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor</p>
<p>Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director,<br />
Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University</p>
<p>James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee</p>
<p>Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash</p>
<p>Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology</p>
<p>Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon</p>
<p>Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University</p>
<p>Shyam Sunder, Sc.D.<br />
acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology</p>
<p>Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University</p>
<p>Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,<br />
San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology</p>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Conspiracy theorists blog that Flight 93 photo is fake
Sunday, August 06, 2006

By Caitlin Cleary, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

  
 
This image of the smoke cloud left by United Airlines Flight 93 after it crashed into a field in Somerset County on Sept. 11, 2001, was taken by Val McClatchey from the porch of her home. 
Click photo for larger image. 
 







STOYSTOWN, Pa. -- It was a remarkable shot that produced a one-of-a-kind image: a green pasture, red barns in the distance and, against a brilliant blue and cloudless sky, a lone mushroom cloud of dark gray smoke. 

Taken the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, seconds after United Airlines Flight 93 plunged into a nearby field, the eerie photo was, and still is, according to the FBI, the closest thing it&#039;s got to an image of the crash itself. 

Val McClatchey snapped the single picture with her new digital camera. The wife and mother had been sitting on the edge of her sofa, clutching her second cup of coffee and watching the smoking towers of the World Trade Center on TV, when she heard the sudden surge of a plane engine, followed by a violent, house-shaking boom. Mrs. McClatchey grabbed the camera and ran onto the front porch of her house along Indian Lake. 

&quot;I didn&#039;t even aim. I was just like, &#039;Oh, my God,&#039; &quot; she said. She dropped the camera, jolting the battery loose, then tried in vain to call her husband, son and daughter. She had no idea what she&#039;d captured until the state police put a call out to people in the area, asking for photos, debris and other evidence. She took a printout of her photo to the police, she said, and, within an hour, FBI agents were at her house. 

Once the full, national scope of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks had settled in, word spread quickly of Mrs. McClatchey&#039;s photograph, and soon, everyone wanted to buy a copy. 

&quot;But it&#039;s not something that felt right,&quot; she said. 

She copyrighted her photo and gave it a title, &quot;End of Serenity.&quot; This would later prove an apt description of what was in store for Mrs. McClatchey, 50. She would find herself the target of 9/11 conspiracy theorists and involved in a copyright lawsuit against The Associated Press. 

&quot;Right now, it&#039;s become more of a curse than a blessing that I took it at all,&quot; she said. 

During the next few years, the photo would appear in magazines and newspapers, from Newsweek to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, with Mrs. McClatchey&#039;s permission. It became part of a fund-raising brochure for the Flight 93 Memorial Fund. Copies are available upon request, with proceeds going to the charity Heroic Choices, formerly the Todd Beamer Foundation. 

Mrs. McClatchey&#039;s photo was included in the Smithsonian Institution&#039;s traveling exhibit, &quot;Bearing Witness.&quot; And her personal story appears to fit seamlessly into the larger narrative of the Shanksvsille crash site and temporary memorial, when, dozens of times a day, volunteers such as Donna Schmucker tell Mrs. McClatchey&#039;s story and other witness accounts to the visitors who stream onto the site, holding up her photo in the laminated pocket of a binder for all to see. 

But Mrs. McClatchey&#039;s fame has recently taken a sour turn. The real estate agent has recently become a target of bloggers calling themselves &quot;9-11 researchers,&quot; who are seeking to prove that the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks that brought down the Twin Towers, pierced the Pentagon and crashed United Airlines Flight 93. &quot;The End of Serenity&quot; has turned out to be their smoking gun. 

The smoke plume doesn&#039;t line up right, they say. It is too large in the frame. The smoke is characteristic of an ordnance blast, not a jet fuel fire, further evidence that the government shot down Flight 93. They analyze wind direction, debris patterns and camera trajectories, all in the service of the theory that the crash was faked. 

They have visited Mrs. McClatchey&#039;s office and called her at home, posting satellite maps of her property and accusing her of digitally altering her photo to insert a fake smoke plume. The bloggers have picked apart her story, highlighting inconsistencies in different news accounts and questioning her motives. Others have described her as &quot;surly,&quot; &quot;hostile,&quot; &quot;irate&quot; and &quot;defensive.&quot; People have called her at home, accusing her of being anti-American and of &quot;holding the photo hostage.&quot; 

On a simple Google search, Mrs. McClatchey&#039;s name now pops up in the same sentence as &quot;total fraud.&quot; 

&quot;Val McClatchey has made it unmistakably clear to us that she intends to milk her 9-11 claim to fame for all it&#039;s worth, truth be damned,&quot; writes Lisa Guliani, of WingTV (World Independent News Group), who traveled to Stoystown to interview Mrs. McClatchey. 

&quot;If the smoke plume was photo-shopped on there, then that could mean either that the photo was simply a fraud by Val, or it was a fraud by her and the FBI and/or other government agents since she did mention that the FBI did inspect the memory card from her camera,&quot; writes a blogger identified as Killtown. 

Mrs. McClatchey was taken aback by the personal criticism by those who, she said, &quot;hide behind their aliases.&quot; 

&quot;This Killtown, whoever he may be, I find it very disturbing that this is a 16-page attack on me personally,&quot; said Mrs. McClatchey, who opened her real estate company a year and a half ago. &quot;My business is named. That hurts me personally. It&#039;s pretty disturbing. My whole life is out there, a map to where I live, a map to my office. It&#039;s a safety issue for me. There&#039;s some crazy people out there.&quot; 

Killtown&#039;s blog links to hundreds of conflicting witness accounts and news stories, video and photos of suspicious damage and debris, and other 9/11 conspiracy blogs, attempting to build up a preponderance of doubt about the government&#039;s claims. Killtown posits whether the World Trade Center towers were brought down by explosives, and whether the Pentagon was hit by a missile. (The blogger identified only as Killtown could be reached only via e-mail. He or she agreed to be interviewed without ever revealing identity and never got in phone contact with this reporter.) 

About Mrs. McClatchey&#039;s &quot;End of Serenity,&quot; Killtown concludes that either the smoke plume in the photo came from a bomb blast closer to her house, or that the picture was faked by Mrs. McClatchey or the FBI. Killtown writes: &quot;If the first is true, then Val may be off the hook. If any of the latter two are the case, then Val, you got some splainin&#039; to do!&quot; He then proceeds to post her home address, phone number and personal e-mail information. 

Mrs. McClatchey acknowledged that a lot of people are alleging she fabricated the photo, but she stands by its authenticity. Days after Sept. 11, neighbors saw the image, still in her camera. The camera and computer were new, and she didn&#039;t have access to Photoshop or any other photo-altering software. 

&quot;I know that photo is completely legitimate,&quot; Mrs. McClatchey said. &quot;Other people saw the same thing I saw.&quot; 

Special agent Jeff Killeen, of the FBI in Pittsburgh, confirmed that the photo of the barns and the smoke plume was &quot;a very legitimate photograph.&quot; 

  
 V.W.H. Campbell, Post-Gazette
Val McClatchey looking over the Flight 93 Memorial site which she had not been to since November 2005.
Click photo for larger image. 
 





&quot;We consider that a photo that was taken moments after Flight 93 crashed to the ground,&quot; Mr. Killeen said. &quot;It&#039;s a remarkable shot. It&#039;s remarkable that someone had the wherewithal to snap a photo of the crash. This is a one-of-a-kind. We really don&#039;t know of anything else.&quot; 

The photo is even more surprising considering the sparsely populated area around the crash site, Mr. Killeen said. He compared &quot;End of Serenity&quot; to a hypothetical photo of the first bombs hitting Pearl Harbor, or a still image of one of the commercial jetliners in mid-collision with the twin towers. 

As for the 9/11 conspiracy theorists, Mr. Killeen said, &quot;They can debunk all they want.&quot; On Sept. 11, he was at the site shortly after the crash, and knows the amount of debris and other evidence that was gathered from the scene but was never made public. Officials did look into the possibility that Flight 93 was shot down, he said, &quot;but there&#039;s no evidence to suggest that whatsoever. None.&quot; 

Mrs. McClatchey still occasionally gets requests for copies of &quot;End of Serenity.&quot; She prints them out on her personal printer, and says she has no idea how many hundreds or thousands of dollars the photo has raised for the Heroic Choices charity. She operates on the honor system, she says, and simply forwards the checks to them. Representatives from the charity did not return calls requesting comment. 

Mrs. McClatchey has begun accepting some money, on account of her copyright action against The Associated Press, which, she says, distributed her photo without her permission. 

&quot;So here I am, in the middle of this nasty lawsuit,&quot; she said. &quot;I have kept some of the money, because now I have some legal fees. It&#039;s very unfortunate, because I was trying to do the right thing.&quot; 

David Tomlin, assistant general counsel with The Associated Press, confirmed that litigation was in progress. 

&quot;To the extent that we distributed her picture, we assert we had permission to do so,&quot; Mr. Tomlin said. &quot;We deny infringing on her copyright.&quot; 

Across the country road from Mrs. McClatchey&#039;s home is a fenced-in pasture with red barns under a bright blue sky, the same scene from &quot;End of Serenity.&quot; 

Given the headaches of a lawsuit and the blunt personal criticism from the bloggers, Mrs. McClatchey wonders if her quick decision to grab her camera that morning nearly five years ago and capture the last puff smoke that was Flight 93 was the right one. But she is glad to be able to give something back to the families of the dead, and thinks her photo will stand the test of time and conspiracy theorists. 

&quot;The truth speaks for itself,&quot; she said. 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Conspiracy theorists blog that Flight 93 photo is fake<br />
Sunday, August 06, 2006</p>
<p>By Caitlin Cleary, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette</p>
<p>This image of the smoke cloud left by United Airlines Flight 93 after it crashed into a field in Somerset County on Sept. 11, 2001, was taken by Val McClatchey from the porch of her home.<br />
Click photo for larger image. </p>
<p>STOYSTOWN, Pa. &#8212; It was a remarkable shot that produced a one-of-a-kind image: a green pasture, red barns in the distance and, against a brilliant blue and cloudless sky, a lone mushroom cloud of dark gray smoke. </p>
<p>Taken the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, seconds after United Airlines Flight 93 plunged into a nearby field, the eerie photo was, and still is, according to the FBI, the closest thing it&#8217;s got to an image of the crash itself. </p>
<p>Val McClatchey snapped the single picture with her new digital camera. The wife and mother had been sitting on the edge of her sofa, clutching her second cup of coffee and watching the smoking towers of the World Trade Center on TV, when she heard the sudden surge of a plane engine, followed by a violent, house-shaking boom. Mrs. McClatchey grabbed the camera and ran onto the front porch of her house along Indian Lake. </p>
<p>&#8220;I didn&#8217;t even aim. I was just like, &#8216;Oh, my God,&#8217; &#8221; she said. She dropped the camera, jolting the battery loose, then tried in vain to call her husband, son and daughter. She had no idea what she&#8217;d captured until the state police put a call out to people in the area, asking for photos, debris and other evidence. She took a printout of her photo to the police, she said, and, within an hour, FBI agents were at her house. </p>
<p>Once the full, national scope of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks had settled in, word spread quickly of Mrs. McClatchey&#8217;s photograph, and soon, everyone wanted to buy a copy. </p>
<p>&#8220;But it&#8217;s not something that felt right,&#8221; she said. </p>
<p>She copyrighted her photo and gave it a title, &#8220;End of Serenity.&#8221; This would later prove an apt description of what was in store for Mrs. McClatchey, 50. She would find herself the target of 9/11 conspiracy theorists and involved in a copyright lawsuit against The Associated Press. </p>
<p>&#8220;Right now, it&#8217;s become more of a curse than a blessing that I took it at all,&#8221; she said. </p>
<p>During the next few years, the photo would appear in magazines and newspapers, from Newsweek to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, with Mrs. McClatchey&#8217;s permission. It became part of a fund-raising brochure for the Flight 93 Memorial Fund. Copies are available upon request, with proceeds going to the charity Heroic Choices, formerly the Todd Beamer Foundation. </p>
<p>Mrs. McClatchey&#8217;s photo was included in the Smithsonian Institution&#8217;s traveling exhibit, &#8220;Bearing Witness.&#8221; And her personal story appears to fit seamlessly into the larger narrative of the Shanksvsille crash site and temporary memorial, when, dozens of times a day, volunteers such as Donna Schmucker tell Mrs. McClatchey&#8217;s story and other witness accounts to the visitors who stream onto the site, holding up her photo in the laminated pocket of a binder for all to see. </p>
<p>But Mrs. McClatchey&#8217;s fame has recently taken a sour turn. The real estate agent has recently become a target of bloggers calling themselves &#8220;9-11 researchers,&#8221; who are seeking to prove that the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks that brought down the Twin Towers, pierced the Pentagon and crashed United Airlines Flight 93. &#8220;The End of Serenity&#8221; has turned out to be their smoking gun. </p>
<p>The smoke plume doesn&#8217;t line up right, they say. It is too large in the frame. The smoke is characteristic of an ordnance blast, not a jet fuel fire, further evidence that the government shot down Flight 93. They analyze wind direction, debris patterns and camera trajectories, all in the service of the theory that the crash was faked. </p>
<p>They have visited Mrs. McClatchey&#8217;s office and called her at home, posting satellite maps of her property and accusing her of digitally altering her photo to insert a fake smoke plume. The bloggers have picked apart her story, highlighting inconsistencies in different news accounts and questioning her motives. Others have described her as &#8220;surly,&#8221; &#8220;hostile,&#8221; &#8220;irate&#8221; and &#8220;defensive.&#8221; People have called her at home, accusing her of being anti-American and of &#8220;holding the photo hostage.&#8221; </p>
<p>On a simple Google search, Mrs. McClatchey&#8217;s name now pops up in the same sentence as &#8220;total fraud.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Val McClatchey has made it unmistakably clear to us that she intends to milk her 9-11 claim to fame for all it&#8217;s worth, truth be damned,&#8221; writes Lisa Guliani, of WingTV (World Independent News Group), who traveled to Stoystown to interview Mrs. McClatchey. </p>
<p>&#8220;If the smoke plume was photo-shopped on there, then that could mean either that the photo was simply a fraud by Val, or it was a fraud by her and the FBI and/or other government agents since she did mention that the FBI did inspect the memory card from her camera,&#8221; writes a blogger identified as Killtown. </p>
<p>Mrs. McClatchey was taken aback by the personal criticism by those who, she said, &#8220;hide behind their aliases.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;This Killtown, whoever he may be, I find it very disturbing that this is a 16-page attack on me personally,&#8221; said Mrs. McClatchey, who opened her real estate company a year and a half ago. &#8220;My business is named. That hurts me personally. It&#8217;s pretty disturbing. My whole life is out there, a map to where I live, a map to my office. It&#8217;s a safety issue for me. There&#8217;s some crazy people out there.&#8221; </p>
<p>Killtown&#8217;s blog links to hundreds of conflicting witness accounts and news stories, video and photos of suspicious damage and debris, and other 9/11 conspiracy blogs, attempting to build up a preponderance of doubt about the government&#8217;s claims. Killtown posits whether the World Trade Center towers were brought down by explosives, and whether the Pentagon was hit by a missile. (The blogger identified only as Killtown could be reached only via e-mail. He or she agreed to be interviewed without ever revealing identity and never got in phone contact with this reporter.) </p>
<p>About Mrs. McClatchey&#8217;s &#8220;End of Serenity,&#8221; Killtown concludes that either the smoke plume in the photo came from a bomb blast closer to her house, or that the picture was faked by Mrs. McClatchey or the FBI. Killtown writes: &#8220;If the first is true, then Val may be off the hook. If any of the latter two are the case, then Val, you got some splainin&#8217; to do!&#8221; He then proceeds to post her home address, phone number and personal e-mail information. </p>
<p>Mrs. McClatchey acknowledged that a lot of people are alleging she fabricated the photo, but she stands by its authenticity. Days after Sept. 11, neighbors saw the image, still in her camera. The camera and computer were new, and she didn&#8217;t have access to Photoshop or any other photo-altering software. </p>
<p>&#8220;I know that photo is completely legitimate,&#8221; Mrs. McClatchey said. &#8220;Other people saw the same thing I saw.&#8221; </p>
<p>Special agent Jeff Killeen, of the FBI in Pittsburgh, confirmed that the photo of the barns and the smoke plume was &#8220;a very legitimate photograph.&#8221; </p>
<p> V.W.H. Campbell, Post-Gazette<br />
Val McClatchey looking over the Flight 93 Memorial site which she had not been to since November 2005.<br />
Click photo for larger image. </p>
<p>&#8220;We consider that a photo that was taken moments after Flight 93 crashed to the ground,&#8221; Mr. Killeen said. &#8220;It&#8217;s a remarkable shot. It&#8217;s remarkable that someone had the wherewithal to snap a photo of the crash. This is a one-of-a-kind. We really don&#8217;t know of anything else.&#8221; </p>
<p>The photo is even more surprising considering the sparsely populated area around the crash site, Mr. Killeen said. He compared &#8220;End of Serenity&#8221; to a hypothetical photo of the first bombs hitting Pearl Harbor, or a still image of one of the commercial jetliners in mid-collision with the twin towers. </p>
<p>As for the 9/11 conspiracy theorists, Mr. Killeen said, &#8220;They can debunk all they want.&#8221; On Sept. 11, he was at the site shortly after the crash, and knows the amount of debris and other evidence that was gathered from the scene but was never made public. Officials did look into the possibility that Flight 93 was shot down, he said, &#8220;but there&#8217;s no evidence to suggest that whatsoever. None.&#8221; </p>
<p>Mrs. McClatchey still occasionally gets requests for copies of &#8220;End of Serenity.&#8221; She prints them out on her personal printer, and says she has no idea how many hundreds or thousands of dollars the photo has raised for the Heroic Choices charity. She operates on the honor system, she says, and simply forwards the checks to them. Representatives from the charity did not return calls requesting comment. </p>
<p>Mrs. McClatchey has begun accepting some money, on account of her copyright action against The Associated Press, which, she says, distributed her photo without her permission. </p>
<p>&#8220;So here I am, in the middle of this nasty lawsuit,&#8221; she said. &#8220;I have kept some of the money, because now I have some legal fees. It&#8217;s very unfortunate, because I was trying to do the right thing.&#8221; </p>
<p>David Tomlin, assistant general counsel with The Associated Press, confirmed that litigation was in progress. </p>
<p>&#8220;To the extent that we distributed her picture, we assert we had permission to do so,&#8221; Mr. Tomlin said. &#8220;We deny infringing on her copyright.&#8221; </p>
<p>Across the country road from Mrs. McClatchey&#8217;s home is a fenced-in pasture with red barns under a bright blue sky, the same scene from &#8220;End of Serenity.&#8221; </p>
<p>Given the headaches of a lawsuit and the blunt personal criticism from the bloggers, Mrs. McClatchey wonders if her quick decision to grab her camera that morning nearly five years ago and capture the last puff smoke that was Flight 93 was the right one. But she is glad to be able to give something back to the families of the dead, and thinks her photo will stand the test of time and conspiracy theorists. </p>
<p>&#8220;The truth speaks for itself,&#8221; she said. </p>
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Comment by yawn â€” August 6, 2006 @ 3:12 am &lt;/em&gt;

In other words, you&#039;re not smart enough to understand.  I didn&#039;t think so.  It&#039;s why you believe in Conspiracy Theories and fairytales to begin with...  Christianity included.</description>
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<p>In other words, you&#8217;re not smart enough to understand.  I didn&#8217;t think so.  It&#8217;s why you believe in Conspiracy Theories and fairytales to begin with&#8230;  Christianity included.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=710160', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;Structural engineer describes collapse of the World Trade Center towers &lt;/strong&gt;

BY MARK SHWARTZ 

Vulnerabilities in the design of New York&#039;s World Trade Center (WTC) are likely to have contributed to the collapse of its two main towers and adjacent buildings, according to Ronald O. Hamburger, a structural engineer currently investigating the Sept. 11 disaster. 

&quot;These buildings were incredibly strong, especially with respect to resisting dead loads and wind loads, but they also had a number of vulnerabilities,&quot; Hamburger told a packed auditorium on Nov. 29 when he delivered the second John A. Blume Distinguished Lecture -- an annual event sponsored by Stanford&#039;s Blume Earthquake Engineering Center. 

This graphic shows buildings in the New York Financial District affected by the Sept. 11 terrorist attack. Gray buildings were destroyed, red are in danger of collapse, blue suffered major structural damage and others shown were damaged, but can be repaired. Graphic courtesy of: Ronald Hamburger/ABS



&quot;What New York City experienced on Sept. 11 was very much like an earthquake,&quot; he told the Stanford audience. &quot;Life loss exceeded anything we in the United States have experienced in an earthquake, and the financial loss exceeded anything we&#039;ve experienced -- and it all occurred within one square mile.&quot; 

As chief structural engineer and senior vice president of ABS Consulting Inc. in Oakland, Calif., Hamburger is a member of an engineering team commissioned by the Structural Engineers Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) to assess the performance of the WTC and surrounding buildings in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks. 

He pointed out that four buildings were immediately destroyed in the WTC assault, and three others suffered irreparable damage and are in the process of being razed. Another half-dozen buildings were harmed structurally but can be repaired, and more than 50 others were damaged by the enormous debris cloud and the burning material that followed the collapse of the twin towers. 

&quot;Thirty million square feet of commercial space were affected, including 10 million square feet that were taken out permanently -- the equivalent of all the financial office space in the city of San Francisco,&quot; he noted. 

Hijackers&#039; plan 

Using photographs of the WTC taken before, during and after the Sept. 11 assaults, Hamburger presented a brief chronology of events. He noted that the first jetliner banked into the north tower at a 45-degree angle, damaging floors 92 to 95. About 40 minutes later, the second jet crashed into the south tower, hitting floors 78 to 84. 

 

An aerial view of downtown Manhattan. Credit: spaceimaging.com. Copyright spaceimaging.com All rights reserved. Online or news media distribution or publishing requires permission from Space Imaging. 

&quot;I believe that the hijackers flew the aircraft into the lowest part of the buildings they had access to,&quot; Hamburger commented. &quot;If there had been no nearby structures, they would have hit the towers lower.&quot; 

One member of the audience asked Hamburger if he believed that the pilots intentionally banked the planes at an angle to take out as many floors as possible. 

&quot;Yes,&quot; he replied. 

According to Hamburger&#039;s preliminary analysis, the impact of the jetliners shattered and fractured two-thirds of the support columns on one face of each tower, causing the partial collapse of several floors. Debris penetrated each building&#039;s core and may have damaged the core columns located in the center of the 110-story structures. 

&quot;The damaged columns held up the weight of the building, so logic would dictate that the building would fall,&quot; said Hamburger, &quot;but that didn&#039;t happen. Because of its great structural redundancy, the load was distributed to other parts of the building. We have reason to believe that, without the fire, the buildings could have stood indefinitely and been repaired. But we did have a fire.&quot; 

Born of fire 

Hamburger noted that the fuel in both jetliners burned off rapidly, despite media reports that the aircraft continued burning long after the crash. 

&quot;The impact probably caused a failure of the fireproofing in the affected areas,&quot; he said. &quot;We think that the fuel ignited several floors in the building,&quot; he added, which had a devastating effect on the steel support beams. 

&quot;Steel is born of fire,&quot; Hamburger explained. &quot;As it&#039;s reheated, it expands and loses its rigidity. Above 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit, it loses a significant amount of its strength.&quot; 

He said the extreme heat from the fires might have caused the steel floors to expand and bow, which may have caused the support columns to bend inward and buckle. Heat also may have caused the steel flooring to separate from the columns, or the columns themselves may have heated up and buckled outward. 

Hamburger and his colleagues have not yet determined which of these scenarios occurred on Sept. 11, but there is little doubt that the collapse of the upper floors of the WTC towers brought down both structures. 

&quot;Think of the impact of dropping a 25-story building straight down,&quot; Hamburger told the audience. &quot;It was like a pile driver, which is why it collapsed as it did.&quot; 

Vulnerabilities 

While acknowledging the many innovations that went into the design of the WTC towers in the 1960s -- including one of the earliest applications of computer stress analysis -- Hamburger also cited several features that made the buildings vulnerable to the intense fires that ultimately caused their collapse. 

&quot;The floor trusses [joists] were relatively flimsy. As the tower collapsed, the trusses just fell apart,&quot; he observed, noting that trusses are difficult to fireproof. 

Hamburger noted that each tower was constructed using a novel tube frame system designed to resist winds of up to 80 miles per hour. But the connections of the tube frame were weak, causing them to break apart and become three-pronged missiles that crashed into the street and into nearby buildings. 

Hamburger also discussed the collapse of WTC Building 7, which housed the offices of Con Edison, the FBI and the CIA. 

&quot;WTC-7 was a 47-story building and became a two-story pile of rubble,&quot; Hamburger said, &quot;making it the first major structure in the United States to collapse because of fire.&quot; 

Future designs 

He pointed out that fires frequently occur in high-rise buildings and noted that between 1994 and 1998, 30 fires occurred in the United States in buildings that were 50 stories or taller. 

&quot;The question is, should fire protection standards be changed in some significant way in the aftermath of Sept. 11,&quot; Hamburger asked, &quot;and should structural engineering designs include consideration of fire load and the response of structures? Right now, structural engineers know very little about fire.&quot; 

He and his colleagues will attempt to answer those questions when the ASCE report is made public next spring. 

Does it make sense to design buildings to withstand such events as Sept. 11 in the future? 

&quot;In my opinion, no,&quot; Hamburger concluded, although he does support the decision implemented after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing to redesign federal buildings to withstand the accidental loss of major structural elements. 

The Blume Lecture series honors John A. Blume, often called &quot;the father of earthquake engineering,&quot; who earned his undergraduate and doctoral degrees at Stanford. In 1974 he helped underwrite the John A. Blume Earthquake Engineering Center, which promotes earthquake engineering research and education. Today at age 92, Blume remains a consulting professor in Stanford&#039;s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering.</description>
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<p><strong>Structural engineer describes collapse of the World Trade Center towers </strong></p>
<p>BY MARK SHWARTZ </p>
<p>Vulnerabilities in the design of New York&#8217;s World Trade Center (WTC) are likely to have contributed to the collapse of its two main towers and adjacent buildings, according to Ronald O. Hamburger, a structural engineer currently investigating the Sept. 11 disaster. </p>
<p>&#8220;These buildings were incredibly strong, especially with respect to resisting dead loads and wind loads, but they also had a number of vulnerabilities,&#8221; Hamburger told a packed auditorium on Nov. 29 when he delivered the second John A. Blume Distinguished Lecture &#8212; an annual event sponsored by Stanford&#8217;s Blume Earthquake Engineering Center. </p>
<p>This graphic shows buildings in the New York Financial District affected by the Sept. 11 terrorist attack. Gray buildings were destroyed, red are in danger of collapse, blue suffered major structural damage and others shown were damaged, but can be repaired. Graphic courtesy of: Ronald Hamburger/ABS</p>
<p>&#8220;What New York City experienced on Sept. 11 was very much like an earthquake,&#8221; he told the Stanford audience. &#8220;Life loss exceeded anything we in the United States have experienced in an earthquake, and the financial loss exceeded anything we&#8217;ve experienced &#8212; and it all occurred within one square mile.&#8221; </p>
<p>As chief structural engineer and senior vice president of ABS Consulting Inc. in Oakland, Calif., Hamburger is a member of an engineering team commissioned by the Structural Engineers Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) to assess the performance of the WTC and surrounding buildings in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks. </p>
<p>He pointed out that four buildings were immediately destroyed in the WTC assault, and three others suffered irreparable damage and are in the process of being razed. Another half-dozen buildings were harmed structurally but can be repaired, and more than 50 others were damaged by the enormous debris cloud and the burning material that followed the collapse of the twin towers. </p>
<p>&#8220;Thirty million square feet of commercial space were affected, including 10 million square feet that were taken out permanently &#8212; the equivalent of all the financial office space in the city of San Francisco,&#8221; he noted. </p>
<p>Hijackers&#8217; plan </p>
<p>Using photographs of the WTC taken before, during and after the Sept. 11 assaults, Hamburger presented a brief chronology of events. He noted that the first jetliner banked into the north tower at a 45-degree angle, damaging floors 92 to 95. About 40 minutes later, the second jet crashed into the south tower, hitting floors 78 to 84. </p>
<p>An aerial view of downtown Manhattan. Credit: spaceimaging.com. Copyright spaceimaging.com All rights reserved. Online or news media distribution or publishing requires permission from Space Imaging. </p>
<p>&#8220;I believe that the hijackers flew the aircraft into the lowest part of the buildings they had access to,&#8221; Hamburger commented. &#8220;If there had been no nearby structures, they would have hit the towers lower.&#8221; </p>
<p>One member of the audience asked Hamburger if he believed that the pilots intentionally banked the planes at an angle to take out as many floors as possible. </p>
<p>&#8220;Yes,&#8221; he replied. </p>
<p>According to Hamburger&#8217;s preliminary analysis, the impact of the jetliners shattered and fractured two-thirds of the support columns on one face of each tower, causing the partial collapse of several floors. Debris penetrated each building&#8217;s core and may have damaged the core columns located in the center of the 110-story structures. </p>
<p>&#8220;The damaged columns held up the weight of the building, so logic would dictate that the building would fall,&#8221; said Hamburger, &#8220;but that didn&#8217;t happen. Because of its great structural redundancy, the load was distributed to other parts of the building. We have reason to believe that, without the fire, the buildings could have stood indefinitely and been repaired. But we did have a fire.&#8221; </p>
<p>Born of fire </p>
<p>Hamburger noted that the fuel in both jetliners burned off rapidly, despite media reports that the aircraft continued burning long after the crash. </p>
<p>&#8220;The impact probably caused a failure of the fireproofing in the affected areas,&#8221; he said. &#8220;We think that the fuel ignited several floors in the building,&#8221; he added, which had a devastating effect on the steel support beams. </p>
<p>&#8220;Steel is born of fire,&#8221; Hamburger explained. &#8220;As it&#8217;s reheated, it expands and loses its rigidity. Above 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit, it loses a significant amount of its strength.&#8221; </p>
<p>He said the extreme heat from the fires might have caused the steel floors to expand and bow, which may have caused the support columns to bend inward and buckle. Heat also may have caused the steel flooring to separate from the columns, or the columns themselves may have heated up and buckled outward. </p>
<p>Hamburger and his colleagues have not yet determined which of these scenarios occurred on Sept. 11, but there is little doubt that the collapse of the upper floors of the WTC towers brought down both structures. </p>
<p>&#8220;Think of the impact of dropping a 25-story building straight down,&#8221; Hamburger told the audience. &#8220;It was like a pile driver, which is why it collapsed as it did.&#8221; </p>
<p>Vulnerabilities </p>
<p>While acknowledging the many innovations that went into the design of the WTC towers in the 1960s &#8212; including one of the earliest applications of computer stress analysis &#8212; Hamburger also cited several features that made the buildings vulnerable to the intense fires that ultimately caused their collapse. </p>
<p>&#8220;The floor trusses [joists] were relatively flimsy. As the tower collapsed, the trusses just fell apart,&#8221; he observed, noting that trusses are difficult to fireproof. </p>
<p>Hamburger noted that each tower was constructed using a novel tube frame system designed to resist winds of up to 80 miles per hour. But the connections of the tube frame were weak, causing them to break apart and become three-pronged missiles that crashed into the street and into nearby buildings. </p>
<p>Hamburger also discussed the collapse of WTC Building 7, which housed the offices of Con Edison, the FBI and the CIA. </p>
<p>&#8220;WTC-7 was a 47-story building and became a two-story pile of rubble,&#8221; Hamburger said, &#8220;making it the first major structure in the United States to collapse because of fire.&#8221; </p>
<p>Future designs </p>
<p>He pointed out that fires frequently occur in high-rise buildings and noted that between 1994 and 1998, 30 fires occurred in the United States in buildings that were 50 stories or taller. </p>
<p>&#8220;The question is, should fire protection standards be changed in some significant way in the aftermath of Sept. 11,&#8221; Hamburger asked, &#8220;and should structural engineering designs include consideration of fire load and the response of structures? Right now, structural engineers know very little about fire.&#8221; </p>
<p>He and his colleagues will attempt to answer those questions when the ASCE report is made public next spring. </p>
<p>Does it make sense to design buildings to withstand such events as Sept. 11 in the future? </p>
<p>&#8220;In my opinion, no,&#8221; Hamburger concluded, although he does support the decision implemented after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing to redesign federal buildings to withstand the accidental loss of major structural elements. </p>
<p>The Blume Lecture series honors John A. Blume, often called &#8220;the father of earthquake engineering,&#8221; who earned his undergraduate and doctoral degrees at Stanford. In 1974 he helped underwrite the John A. Blume Earthquake Engineering Center, which promotes earthquake engineering research and education. Today at age 92, Blume remains a consulting professor in Stanford&#8217;s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=709081', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More liberal support of the facts (with pictures):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1540044.stm

&quot;It was as if the top of the building was acting like a huge pile-driver, crashing down on to the floors underneath,&quot; said Chris Wise.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From practicing experts in the field of building design.  I just Googled this.  Funny how much this repeats the facts I pointed out...

How did the Twin Towers fall? 

&lt;strong&gt;1. Impact from the Terrorist Planes&lt;/strong&gt;

When Boeing jets piloted by terrorists struck the Twin Towers, some 10,000 gallons (38 kiloliters) of jet fuel fed an enormous fireball. But, the impact of the planes and the burst of flames did not make the Towers collapse right away. Like most buildings, the Twin Towers had redundant design. The term redundant design means that when one system fails, another carries the load. Each of the Twin Towers had 244 columns around a central core that housed the elevators, stairwells, mechanical systems, and utilities. When some columns were damaged, others could still support the building. 

&lt;strong&gt;2. Heat from the Fires&lt;/strong&gt;

The sprinkler system was damaged by the impact of the planes. But even if the sprinklers had been working, they could not have maintained enough pressure to stop the fire. Fed by the remaining jet fuel, the heat became intense. Most fires don&#039;t get hotter than 900 to 1,100 degrees F. The World Trade Center fire may have reached 1,300 or 1,400 degrees F. Structural steel does not easily melt, but it will lose about half its strength at 1,200 degrees F. The steel structure of the Twin Towers was weakened by the extreme heat. The steel also became distorted because the heat was not a uniform temperature.

&lt;strong&gt;3. Collapsing Floors&lt;/strong&gt;

Most fires start in one area and then spread. The fire from the terrorist planes covered the area of an entire floor almost instantly. As the weakened floors began to collapse, they crashed into the floors below. With the weight of the plunging floors accelerating, the exterior walls buckled.

&lt;strong&gt;Why did the collapsed towers look so flat? &lt;/strong&gt;

Before the terrorist attack, the Twin Towers were 110 stories tall. Constructed of lightweight steel around a central core, they were about 95% air. After they collapsed, the hollow core was gone. The remaining rubble was only a few stories high. 

&lt;strong&gt;Could the World Trade Center have been made stronger?&lt;/strong&gt;

In a report produced by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), and other organizations, experts concluded that no skyscraper could have withstood the impact of the terrorist airplanes. Further, the experts warned that it would not be &quot;technically feasible&quot; to design a building that could survive this type of terrorist attack. Instead, engineers and architects are suggesting that we focus our efforts on designing better warning and evacuation systems so that we can save more people inside the buildings. 

http://architecture.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/structure.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From practicing experts in the field of building design.  I just Googled this.  Funny how much this repeats the facts I pointed out&#8230;</p>
<p>How did the Twin Towers fall? </p>
<p><strong>1. Impact from the Terrorist Planes</strong></p>
<p>When Boeing jets piloted by terrorists struck the Twin Towers, some 10,000 gallons (38 kiloliters) of jet fuel fed an enormous fireball. But, the impact of the planes and the burst of flames did not make the Towers collapse right away. Like most buildings, the Twin Towers had redundant design. The term redundant design means that when one system fails, another carries the load. Each of the Twin Towers had 244 columns around a central core that housed the elevators, stairwells, mechanical systems, and utilities. When some columns were damaged, others could still support the building. </p>
<p><strong>2. Heat from the Fires</strong></p>
<p>The sprinkler system was damaged by the impact of the planes. But even if the sprinklers had been working, they could not have maintained enough pressure to stop the fire. Fed by the remaining jet fuel, the heat became intense. Most fires don&#8217;t get hotter than 900 to 1,100 degrees F. The World Trade Center fire may have reached 1,300 or 1,400 degrees F. Structural steel does not easily melt, but it will lose about half its strength at 1,200 degrees F. The steel structure of the Twin Towers was weakened by the extreme heat. The steel also became distorted because the heat was not a uniform temperature.</p>
<p><strong>3. Collapsing Floors</strong></p>
<p>Most fires start in one area and then spread. The fire from the terrorist planes covered the area of an entire floor almost instantly. As the weakened floors began to collapse, they crashed into the floors below. With the weight of the plunging floors accelerating, the exterior walls buckled.</p>
<p><strong>Why did the collapsed towers look so flat? </strong></p>
<p>Before the terrorist attack, the Twin Towers were 110 stories tall. Constructed of lightweight steel around a central core, they were about 95% air. After they collapsed, the hollow core was gone. The remaining rubble was only a few stories high. </p>
<p><strong>Could the World Trade Center have been made stronger?</strong></p>
<p>In a report produced by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), and other organizations, experts concluded that no skyscraper could have withstood the impact of the terrorist airplanes. Further, the experts warned that it would not be &#8220;technically feasible&#8221; to design a building that could survive this type of terrorist attack. Instead, engineers and architects are suggesting that we focus our efforts on designing better warning and evacuation systems so that we can save more people inside the buildings. </p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;However I must cling to the hope that as time goes by, it will feel good to lose the attitude, unbelieveable. &lt;/em&gt;

The attitude is all yours.

&lt;em&gt;Itâ€™s been said before but letâ€™s review: youâ€™re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. &lt;/em&gt;

Then you should accept that.  I didn&#039;t make up facts, just pointed them out.  It&#039;s why I am an expert on the matter.

&lt;em&gt;Are we mind readers? Are we gullible? You have to have a better argument than that.&lt;/em&gt;

I posted facts.  What more do you want?  A lecture on structural statics and a field trip?

&lt;em&gt;Many times in this delicious post you have had a chance to see that real effort IS being put into pinning BushCo for its sins. If you had done some actual searching and reading about the 911 Truth movement instead of clinging tightly to your own set of facts, it would be evident in your discourse. 
Comment by boc â€” August 5, 2006 @ 11:11 am &lt;/em&gt;

You are making grossly incorrect exaggerations.  And what I said was that instead of posting about Inside Job Theiries, put that energy into other venues.

I&#039;m getting the feeling you need to be right more than you are willing to live in reality.  Whatever.  Just don&#039;t go around suggesting that a building is supposed to fall over when they only collapse upon themselves (basic physics), that steel must melt to fail (chmistry) or that a building comprised mostly of air falls any slower than near free fall (more physics).  When you do, you endanger the safety of people in building emergencies who may not act quickly enough.  But I guess you haven&#039;t consered the ramifications of your statements?  Just about ignoring facts in favor of the opinion of a small minority of non-practicing industry people.  I hope you do a better job of picking your doctor.  I&#039;d rather have one with experience, personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>However I must cling to the hope that as time goes by, it will feel good to lose the attitude, unbelieveable. </em></p>
<p>The attitude is all yours.</p>
<p><em>Itâ€™s been said before but letâ€™s review: youâ€™re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. </em></p>
<p>Then you should accept that.  I didn&#8217;t make up facts, just pointed them out.  It&#8217;s why I am an expert on the matter.</p>
<p><em>Are we mind readers? Are we gullible? You have to have a better argument than that.</em></p>
<p>I posted facts.  What more do you want?  A lecture on structural statics and a field trip?</p>
<p><em>Many times in this delicious post you have had a chance to see that real effort IS being put into pinning BushCo for its sins. If you had done some actual searching and reading about the 911 Truth movement instead of clinging tightly to your own set of facts, it would be evident in your discourse.<br />
Comment by boc â€” August 5, 2006 @ 11:11 am </em></p>
<p>You are making grossly incorrect exaggerations.  And what I said was that instead of posting about Inside Job Theiries, put that energy into other venues.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting the feeling you need to be right more than you are willing to live in reality.  Whatever.  Just don&#8217;t go around suggesting that a building is supposed to fall over when they only collapse upon themselves (basic physics), that steel must melt to fail (chmistry) or that a building comprised mostly of air falls any slower than near free fall (more physics).  When you do, you endanger the safety of people in building emergencies who may not act quickly enough.  But I guess you haven&#8217;t consered the ramifications of your statements?  Just about ignoring facts in favor of the opinion of a small minority of non-practicing industry people.  I hope you do a better job of picking your doctor.  I&#8217;d rather have one with experience, personally.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=709071', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: boc</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ProRex, huzzah!  &lt;em&gt;sorry, unbelievable, if you canâ€™t bear to hear this. but iâ€™ve gotta tell ya: get used to it.&lt;/em&gt; Thoughtfully kind of you, really, to post a non-polemic response. And unbelieveable, &lt;strong&gt;you &lt;/strong&gt;made some sense in stating Judd doesn&#039;t want to get into the whole thing. 

However I must cling to the hope that as time goes by, it will feel good to lose the attitude, unbelieveable. 

To wit:  &lt;em&gt;&quot;And youâ€™re not arguing my facts...this is because you canâ€™t argue with the truth and still be reasonable.&quot; &lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s been said before but let&#039;s review:  you&#039;re entitled to your own opinion, but &lt;strong&gt;not your own facts&lt;/strong&gt;.  

&lt;em&gt;&quot;My main source is and has been my professional expereience in building design.&quot; &lt;/em&gt; 

Are we mind readers? Are we gullible? &lt;strong&gt;You have to have a better argument than that.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&quot;What Iâ€™m suggesting is that based on the facts, the real effort should not be put into outrageous Inside Job Theories, but into blaming the Bush Regime for ignoring the reports and warnings that Osama was determined to attack us.&quot; &lt;/em&gt;

Many times in this delicious post you have had a chance to see that real effort IS being put into pinning BushCo for its sins. If you had done some actual searching and reading about the 911 Truth movement instead of clinging tightly to your own set of facts, it would be evident in your discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ProRex, huzzah!  <em>sorry, unbelievable, if you canâ€™t bear to hear this. but iâ€™ve gotta tell ya: get used to it.</em> Thoughtfully kind of you, really, to post a non-polemic response. And unbelieveable, <strong>you </strong>made some sense in stating Judd doesn&#8217;t want to get into the whole thing. </p>
<p>However I must cling to the hope that as time goes by, it will feel good to lose the attitude, unbelieveable. </p>
<p>To wit:  <em>&#8220;And youâ€™re not arguing my facts&#8230;this is because you canâ€™t argue with the truth and still be reasonable.&#8221; </em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s been said before but let&#8217;s review:  you&#8217;re entitled to your own opinion, but <strong>not your own facts</strong>.  </p>
<p><em>&#8220;My main source is and has been my professional expereience in building design.&#8221; </em> </p>
<p>Are we mind readers? Are we gullible? <strong>You have to have a better argument than that.</strong></p>
<p><em>&#8220;What Iâ€™m suggesting is that based on the facts, the real effort should not be put into outrageous Inside Job Theories, but into blaming the Bush Regime for ignoring the reports and warnings that Osama was determined to attack us.&#8221; </em></p>
<p>Many times in this delicious post you have had a chance to see that real effort IS being put into pinning BushCo for its sins. If you had done some actual searching and reading about the 911 Truth movement instead of clinging tightly to your own set of facts, it would be evident in your discourse.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=708623', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 13:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Comment by progressaurus rex â€” August 5, 2006 @ 2:03 am &lt;/em&gt;

There is no having a discussion with you on this Rex because you want it to be true so badly.

You insulted the source of the award-winning NOVA report instead of the facts that were presented in it.  That&#039;s usually something the right does when they can&#039;t argue the facts.  And you&#039;re not arguing my facts.  You haven&#039;t offered any evidence that buildings fall anyway but upon themselves, that steel must melt to fail, or that a building isn&#039;t mostly air that will collapse into a relatively small pile.  This is because you can&#039;t argue with the truth and still be reasonable.  And you know that.  You just won&#039;t admit it because you want to believe this is true more than you want to know that &#039;Loose Change&#039; doesn&#039;t jive with the majority of structural engineers and architects who are practicing.  

And it wasn&#039;t my only source - nor my main source.  My main source is and has been my professional expereience in building design.  And that experience shows me and the majority of structural experts that your one guy is the minority.

The Moon Landing Hoax people are still around.  The Flat Earth Society still exists.  I&#039;m sure the Inside Job hypothesis will linger as well.  It just doesn&#039;t mean that I have to tolerate its ignorance any more than a doctor would accept the lunacy that you can get pregnant from a toilet seat - because there are people who still believe that as well.

What I&#039;m suggesting is that based on the facts, the real effort should not be put into outrageous Inside Job Theories, but into blaming the Bush Regime for ignoring the reports and warnings that Osama was determined to attack us.  There is where you&#039;ll be credible, and factual.  And with that credibility, people will listen.  It will take time, but they will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Comment by progressaurus rex â€” August 5, 2006 @ 2:03 am </em></p>
<p>There is no having a discussion with you on this Rex because you want it to be true so badly.</p>
<p>You insulted the source of the award-winning NOVA report instead of the facts that were presented in it.  That&#8217;s usually something the right does when they can&#8217;t argue the facts.  And you&#8217;re not arguing my facts.  You haven&#8217;t offered any evidence that buildings fall anyway but upon themselves, that steel must melt to fail, or that a building isn&#8217;t mostly air that will collapse into a relatively small pile.  This is because you can&#8217;t argue with the truth and still be reasonable.  And you know that.  You just won&#8217;t admit it because you want to believe this is true more than you want to know that &#8216;Loose Change&#8217; doesn&#8217;t jive with the majority of structural engineers and architects who are practicing.  </p>
<p>And it wasn&#8217;t my only source &#8211; nor my main source.  My main source is and has been my professional expereience in building design.  And that experience shows me and the majority of structural experts that your one guy is the minority.</p>
<p>The Moon Landing Hoax people are still around.  The Flat Earth Society still exists.  I&#8217;m sure the Inside Job hypothesis will linger as well.  It just doesn&#8217;t mean that I have to tolerate its ignorance any more than a doctor would accept the lunacy that you can get pregnant from a toilet seat &#8211; because there are people who still believe that as well.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m suggesting is that based on the facts, the real effort should not be put into outrageous Inside Job Theories, but into blaming the Bush Regime for ignoring the reports and warnings that Osama was determined to attack us.  There is where you&#8217;ll be credible, and factual.  And with that credibility, people will listen.  It will take time, but they will.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=708505', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 13:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Just us, I guess.
Initially, this thread was filled with people objecting to what Judd wrote.&lt;/em&gt;

I think we have to consider that he opposes people posting Inside Job Theory on his blog.  He&#039;s probably fed up himself with those who treat teh Inside Job as a blind faith religion and try to force it upon him and those who post here.  As an Atheist living within teh Bible belt, I know the feeling all too well.  Sometimes you have to make your position clear.  I think he did.

&lt;em&gt;To prove why we donâ€™t like being lumped into the same petri dish as Michelle Malkin, we as individuals pointed to glaring problems with the official whitewash.&lt;/em&gt;

But the manner in which it was handled, I think was a bit hypocritical.  This is his house.  It&#039;s his rules.  A lot of guests criticizing his house rules in this manner is rude.  Send him an email.  Or, be polite like Spudge was.

Judd is a human too.  Expecting him to be perfect makes us just as absolutist as the far right.

&lt;em&gt;Alas we devolved into what we have now â€” wasted time. Similar to those 14 years of your so-called career. B-bye. 
Comment by boc â€” August 4, 2006 @ 11:32 pm &lt;/em&gt;

Well, if you can&#039;t accept that I know what I&#039;m talking about because I am legally an expert, then just insult me?  That&#039;s your approach?  You&#039;ve lost all credibility.  And sadly, if you are incapable of learning anything, then the only thing wasted is you.  Good luck with that.  You&#039;ll need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Just us, I guess.<br />
Initially, this thread was filled with people objecting to what Judd wrote.</em></p>
<p>I think we have to consider that he opposes people posting Inside Job Theory on his blog.  He&#8217;s probably fed up himself with those who treat teh Inside Job as a blind faith religion and try to force it upon him and those who post here.  As an Atheist living within teh Bible belt, I know the feeling all too well.  Sometimes you have to make your position clear.  I think he did.</p>
<p><em>To prove why we donâ€™t like being lumped into the same petri dish as Michelle Malkin, we as individuals pointed to glaring problems with the official whitewash.</em></p>
<p>But the manner in which it was handled, I think was a bit hypocritical.  This is his house.  It&#8217;s his rules.  A lot of guests criticizing his house rules in this manner is rude.  Send him an email.  Or, be polite like Spudge was.</p>
<p>Judd is a human too.  Expecting him to be perfect makes us just as absolutist as the far right.</p>
<p><em>Alas we devolved into what we have now â€” wasted time. Similar to those 14 years of your so-called career. B-bye.<br />
Comment by boc â€” August 4, 2006 @ 11:32 pm </em></p>
<p>Well, if you can&#8217;t accept that I know what I&#8217;m talking about because I am legally an expert, then just insult me?  That&#8217;s your approach?  You&#8217;ve lost all credibility.  And sadly, if you are incapable of learning anything, then the only thing wasted is you.  Good luck with that.  You&#8217;ll need it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=708499', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 03:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just us, I guess.

Initially, this thread was filled with people objecting to what Judd wrote.

To prove why we don&#039;t like being lumped into the same petri dish as Michelle Malkin, we as individuals pointed to glaring problems with the official whitewash.

Alas we devolved into what we have now -- wasted time.  Similar to those 14 years of your so-called career.  B-bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just us, I guess.</p>
<p>Initially, this thread was filled with people objecting to what Judd wrote.</p>
<p>To prove why we don&#8217;t like being lumped into the same petri dish as Michelle Malkin, we as individuals pointed to glaring problems with the official whitewash.</p>
<p>Alas we devolved into what we have now &#8212; wasted time.  Similar to those 14 years of your so-called career.  B-bye.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=707979', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
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		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 01:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;2. Other people with degrees like yours have produced proof that the towers fell at free-fall speed (very near) so you should be more interested in learning, not being an ostrich. &lt;/em&gt;

Why, because they want something more than 15 minutes of fame?  They are the minority from teh entire profession.  A very small minority.  Which you want to take over the majority of people like me.  That sounds like you want an Inside Job to be right more than you care about a concensus.  And I&#039;m not just speaking from degrees, but from reality based experience.  Most of those with just degrees don&#039;t have the real world experience to back up their speculation.

Buildings are mostly composed of air.  Look around your house.  It&#039;s 96% open space - air.  Therefore, when the towers collapsed, there was nothing solid that was preventing them from falling at free-fall speed.  It makes legitimate sense that something that is 95% empty space is going to crumble that quickly.

You routinely knock the right for repeating talking points.  So why are you doing it yourself?

&lt;em&gt;3. Mr. Bush did not personally pull this off. It was planned for years, and could only have happened if people at key posts in government, in the military and in intelligence coordinated their efforts, hence the word â€œconspiracyâ€.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s ridiculous.  These people can&#039;t win a war in Iraq against an angry mob

And if the goal was to attack Iraq, they would have loaded their planes with Iraqis and not Saudis.

This does not make sense, therefore, it is not likely that it is true.

&lt;em&gt;4. First theory to come along? Makes us look bad? What a hoot.&lt;/em&gt;

You think it doesn&#039;t make you look bad?  Then why are people on the same side of the aisle telling you that your theory is so full of holes that it&#039;s the equivalent of the Moon Landing Hoax Theory?

&lt;em&gt;Iâ€™m impatient with folks who purport to possess the skills and knowledge necessary to scientifically study the day, yet donâ€™t bother to do so, and STILL remain near the starting line. &lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;ve given you several applied facts that logically explain how the towers collapsed without explosives, and debunked many of the inside job talking points.  Just because you don&#039;t want to accept the reality that I&#039;m right doesn&#039;t make me the one who is behind.  I spent 14 years designing and building buildings.  If I told you that you don&#039;t know anything about the career you have, which one of us would seem irrational?  It works both ways.

I&#039;m tired of structures begin misrepresented so that people can spread fallacies that steel needs to melt for a building to collapse because it endangers people.  They need to know that steel only has to be compromised to fail, and that there&#039;s a reason we fireproof steel buildings.  To give people more time to get out of them if they catch on fire.  In the Trade towers the planes physically impacted the fire proofing on the interior column system.  We don&#039;t design fire-proofing for impacts.  Therefore, exposure to fire for 20 - 30 minutes was enough to cause the structural steel to fail, as it did, and cause the collapse.

&lt;em&gt;We are not looking for something with which to blame Bush. We have found it, it is there In Plane Sight. 
Best. 
Comment by boc â€” August 4, 2006 @ 8:26 pm &lt;/em&gt;

No, it isn&#039;t.  Your theory is riddled with holes that do not accurately represent the reality of the built environment.  It&#039;s why I am always telling people - look, buildings don&#039;t fall over like trees, so to suggest that the buildings collapsing upon themselves is some how a sign of some wrong doing is actually just flat our incorrect.  Same with the free-fall, the fire&#039;s impact, the planes&#039; impacts, and so on.  They are all serious misrepresentations of the reality.

I assure you, if I see anything that is plausible and logical in conjunction with my experience, I&#039;ll be the first to point it out.  I think Bush is a dangerous man who needs to be removed from office, along with his Henchmen.  I want to see them go.  However, the rumors about steel needing to melt for a building to collapse when it&#039;s not the case, about it not being able to falling upon itself when that&#039;s all it will ever do, and about eye-witness accounts when years of studies have proven eye-witnesses are not reliable in traumatic conditions because the higher functions of the brain shut down and so on  just don&#039;t support an Inside Job Theory.  

And to someone who has first hand knowledge of the profession, it&#039;s like hearing the Moon Landing Hoax Theory about wrinkles being mistaken for waves and so on.  I just can&#039;t bear to hear it from the left...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>2. Other people with degrees like yours have produced proof that the towers fell at free-fall speed (very near) so you should be more interested in learning, not being an ostrich. </em></p>
<p>Why, because they want something more than 15 minutes of fame?  They are the minority from teh entire profession.  A very small minority.  Which you want to take over the majority of people like me.  That sounds like you want an Inside Job to be right more than you care about a concensus.  And I&#8217;m not just speaking from degrees, but from reality based experience.  Most of those with just degrees don&#8217;t have the real world experience to back up their speculation.</p>
<p>Buildings are mostly composed of air.  Look around your house.  It&#8217;s 96% open space &#8211; air.  Therefore, when the towers collapsed, there was nothing solid that was preventing them from falling at free-fall speed.  It makes legitimate sense that something that is 95% empty space is going to crumble that quickly.</p>
<p>You routinely knock the right for repeating talking points.  So why are you doing it yourself?</p>
<p><em>3. Mr. Bush did not personally pull this off. It was planned for years, and could only have happened if people at key posts in government, in the military and in intelligence coordinated their efforts, hence the word â€œconspiracyâ€.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s ridiculous.  These people can&#8217;t win a war in Iraq against an angry mob</p>
<p>And if the goal was to attack Iraq, they would have loaded their planes with Iraqis and not Saudis.</p>
<p>This does not make sense, therefore, it is not likely that it is true.</p>
<p><em>4. First theory to come along? Makes us look bad? What a hoot.</em></p>
<p>You think it doesn&#8217;t make you look bad?  Then why are people on the same side of the aisle telling you that your theory is so full of holes that it&#8217;s the equivalent of the Moon Landing Hoax Theory?</p>
<p><em>Iâ€™m impatient with folks who purport to possess the skills and knowledge necessary to scientifically study the day, yet donâ€™t bother to do so, and STILL remain near the starting line. </em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve given you several applied facts that logically explain how the towers collapsed without explosives, and debunked many of the inside job talking points.  Just because you don&#8217;t want to accept the reality that I&#8217;m right doesn&#8217;t make me the one who is behind.  I spent 14 years designing and building buildings.  If I told you that you don&#8217;t know anything about the career you have, which one of us would seem irrational?  It works both ways.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of structures begin misrepresented so that people can spread fallacies that steel needs to melt for a building to collapse because it endangers people.  They need to know that steel only has to be compromised to fail, and that there&#8217;s a reason we fireproof steel buildings.  To give people more time to get out of them if they catch on fire.  In the Trade towers the planes physically impacted the fire proofing on the interior column system.  We don&#8217;t design fire-proofing for impacts.  Therefore, exposure to fire for 20 &#8211; 30 minutes was enough to cause the structural steel to fail, as it did, and cause the collapse.</p>
<p><em>We are not looking for something with which to blame Bush. We have found it, it is there In Plane Sight.<br />
Best.<br />
Comment by boc â€” August 4, 2006 @ 8:26 pm </em></p>
<p>No, it isn&#8217;t.  Your theory is riddled with holes that do not accurately represent the reality of the built environment.  It&#8217;s why I am always telling people &#8211; look, buildings don&#8217;t fall over like trees, so to suggest that the buildings collapsing upon themselves is some how a sign of some wrong doing is actually just flat our incorrect.  Same with the free-fall, the fire&#8217;s impact, the planes&#8217; impacts, and so on.  They are all serious misrepresentations of the reality.</p>
<p>I assure you, if I see anything that is plausible and logical in conjunction with my experience, I&#8217;ll be the first to point it out.  I think Bush is a dangerous man who needs to be removed from office, along with his Henchmen.  I want to see them go.  However, the rumors about steel needing to melt for a building to collapse when it&#8217;s not the case, about it not being able to falling upon itself when that&#8217;s all it will ever do, and about eye-witness accounts when years of studies have proven eye-witnesses are not reliable in traumatic conditions because the higher functions of the brain shut down and so on  just don&#8217;t support an Inside Job Theory.  </p>
<p>And to someone who has first hand knowledge of the profession, it&#8217;s like hearing the Moon Landing Hoax Theory about wrinkles being mistaken for waves and so on.  I just can&#8217;t bear to hear it from the left&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=707861', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<description># 329 &lt;em&gt;Just because you donâ€™t understand the complexity of structural statics doesnâ€™t mean you should just jump on the first anti-Bush theory that comes along. It makes those of us on the left look bad. It looks like weâ€™re just so eager to blame Bush for something I personally do not think he is capable of pulling off. The man couldnâ€™t find oil in Texasâ€¦&lt;/em&gt;

1. Couldn&#039;t find oil in Texas, ran companies into the ground, but was saved by money from Saudi Arabia, ususally the bin Ladens.

2. Other people with degrees like yours have produced proof that the towers fell at free-fall speed (very near) so you should be more interested in learning, not being an ostrich. 

3. Mr. Bush did not personally pull this off. It was planned for years, and could only have happened if people at key posts in government, in the military and in intelligence coordinated their efforts, hence the word &quot;conspiracy&quot;.

4. First theory to come along? Makes us look bad? What a hoot.

I&#039;m impatient with folks who purport to possess the skills and knowledge necessary to scientifically study the day, yet don&#039;t bother to do so, and STILL remain near the starting line. 

We are not looking for something with which to blame Bush. We have found it, it is there In Plane Sight. 

Best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 329 <em>Just because you donâ€™t understand the complexity of structural statics doesnâ€™t mean you should just jump on the first anti-Bush theory that comes along. It makes those of us on the left look bad. It looks like weâ€™re just so eager to blame Bush for something I personally do not think he is capable of pulling off. The man couldnâ€™t find oil in Texasâ€¦</em></p>
<p>1. Couldn&#8217;t find oil in Texas, ran companies into the ground, but was saved by money from Saudi Arabia, ususally the bin Ladens.</p>
<p>2. Other people with degrees like yours have produced proof that the towers fell at free-fall speed (very near) so you should be more interested in learning, not being an ostrich. </p>
<p>3. Mr. Bush did not personally pull this off. It was planned for years, and could only have happened if people at key posts in government, in the military and in intelligence coordinated their efforts, hence the word &#8220;conspiracy&#8221;.</p>
<p>4. First theory to come along? Makes us look bad? What a hoot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m impatient with folks who purport to possess the skills and knowledge necessary to scientifically study the day, yet don&#8217;t bother to do so, and STILL remain near the starting line. </p>
<p>We are not looking for something with which to blame Bush. We have found it, it is there In Plane Sight. </p>
<p>Best.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=707795', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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