19 Responses to “Sen. Tubes scrambles for anti-Net Neutrality votes.”
And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid. says:
Stevens may be the biggest moron among morons. His whole “argument” was based on the fact that the Internet is overloaded and it took him 2-3 days to receive the “Internet” that was sent to him by one of his staff members. Of course, doing away with Net Neutrality would make this problem worse. Isn’t it fun to have tech policy determined by someone who still hasn’t figured out how to operate a touch-tone phone?
This is a vastly more important topic than most people realize. If the Repugs steal the internet away from the small independent websites then that will be the death of free speech which will be the death of any ability to get unbiased news. The corporate monsters will choke off the independent blogs that don’t tow the party line.
Remember the lesson of 1984. You only know what you’re told. If history and present day reality can be reforged according to their to facist mantra then that truly becomes reality. Memory is so imperfect. Who remembers accurately past 6 months much less 6 weeks?
It’s discouraging to see how few have called their senators.
What boggles my mind yet is why the liberal blogs haven’t raged on issue day in and day out. I won’t name names. Their life depends on it. Incredible how we shoot our own.
I understand this is actually ver serious, “they” have been wanting to stop the last placel of free speech, the internet. I know this is big. Stevens is a fool.
#3: The Weekly Standard article you’ve linked to makes no mention of the likely consequences of abandoning net neutrality. For example:
Google users—Another search engine could pay dominant Internet providers like AT&T to guarantee the competing search engine opens faster than Google on your computer.
Innovators with the “next big idea”–Startups and entrepreneurs will be muscled out of the marketplace by big corporations that pay Internet providers for dominant placing on the Web. The little guy will be left in the “slow lane” with inferior Internet service, unable to compete.
Ipod listeners—A company like Comcast could slow access to iTunes, steering you to a higher-priced music service that it owned.
Political groups—Political organizing could be slowed by a handful of dominant Internet providers who ask advocacy groups to pay “protection money” for their websites and online features to work correctly.
Nonprofits—A charity’s website could open at snail-speed, and online contributions could grind to a halt, if nonprofits can’t pay dominant Internet providers for access to “the fast lane” of Internet service.
Online purchasers—Companies could pay Internet providers to guarantee their online sales process faster than competitors with lower prices—distorting your choice as a consumer.
Small businesses and tele-commuters—When Internet companies like AT&T favor their own services, you won’t be able to choose more affordable providers for online video, teleconferencing, Internet phone calls, and software that connects your home computer to your office.
Parents and retirees—Your choices as a consumer could be controlled by your Internet provider, steering you to their preferred services for online banking, health care information, sending photos, planning vacations, etc.
Bloggers—Costs will skyrocket to post and share video and audio clips—silencing citizen journalists and putting more power in the hands of a few corporate-owned media outlets.
Just to name a few.
The Weekly Standard can be counted on to represent the interests of a handful of large multinational corporations, but it has little concern for the interests of the consumer.
OT – Rummy changed his mind late last night – guess the old boy found room in his busy schedule to testify (translation: his solitaire partner cancelled).
Chase, The Weakly standard’s Bill Kristol is one of the neocon’s PNAC founding members who helped get us into the Iraq quagmire. BTW- he’s also a cowardly chickenhawk who supports war(Vietnam, Iraq, and nuclear strikes on Iran)- but hid behind draft deferments himself(No balls to put his body where his mouth is).
Sorry to reply late to this, but storms rumbled through my area last night.
Open you mind a little bit. Alphonse’s criticisms notwithstanding, it’s a good article.
And Alphonse, while the article doesn’t address every single point you do above, it says the following:
If Congress doesn’t act, does this mean Apple might pay 10 cents per iTunes download to Bellsouth? Will Google have to pay 5 percent of ad revenue to AT&T for speedy delivery of your search results? Will we pay $1 per video played in your browser to Comcast? Silly, right? Well, not so fast, and that’s the problem.
Isn’t that essentially the same thing you said, if not as complete? Did you take the time to read the article or did you look at the name of the magazine it appeared in and assume it endorsed the telcos, or “multinational corporation” as you call them?
I view the net neutrality debate in pretty simple terms… admittedly it’s a much more complex issue than this, but when it comes to my vote I am pro-neutrality (keeping the net the way it is)because:
a) Google, eBay, Yahoo: as a consumer when have you NOT gotten a good deal from these guys?
b) AT&T, Bellsouth, etc: when have these guys EVER given the american consumer a good deal?
c) Entrepreneurs: the net should remain the way it is so that we all have the opportunity to sell out own ideas and be our own entrepreneurs.
d) Big Telcom getting is acting like a lazy business: they have no new entrepreneurial ideas of their own, so to make (even more) money they lobby congress for what amounts to MORE TAXES.
SUMMARY:
Big Telecom doesn’t have the original ideas of their own, so they want to skim profits from people who do have new ideas.
Amazon, eBay and Google have all proven they are on the side of the American Consumer.
Big Telecom has always overcharged me and never given me a deal… why should I trust them on this over Amazon and eBay?
Stevens may be the biggest moron among morons. His whole “argument” was based on the fact that the Internet is overloaded and it took him 2-3 days to receive the “Internet” that was sent to him by one of his staff members. Of course, doing away with Net Neutrality would make this problem worse. Isn’t it fun to have tech policy determined by someone who still hasn’t figured out how to operate a touch-tone phone?
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:25 pm*snort* Sen Tubes…
Seriously folks, take a minute and call your Senator. Mine doesn’t accept my calls anymore, but that’s a different story. :)
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:27 pmMight I suggest a great article on this debate.
Now I know it’s from the Weekly Standard, but it’s a great free-market view and even better distillation of a complicated issue.
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:57 pmThis is a vastly more important topic than most people realize. If the Repugs steal the internet away from the small independent websites then that will be the death of free speech which will be the death of any ability to get unbiased news. The corporate monsters will choke off the independent blogs that don’t tow the party line.
Remember the lesson of 1984. You only know what you’re told. If history and present day reality can be reforged according to their to facist mantra then that truly becomes reality. Memory is so imperfect. Who remembers accurately past 6 months much less 6 weeks?
It’s discouraging to see how few have called their senators.
What boggles my mind yet is why the liberal blogs haven’t raged on issue day in and day out. I won’t name names. Their life depends on it. Incredible how we shoot our own.
August 3rd, 2006 at 12:09 amSen. Tubes,
Thats another good one by TP tonight. LOL
August 3rd, 2006 at 12:13 amThe hairy guy on TV is interesting.
August 3rd, 2006 at 12:16 amI understand this is actually ver serious, “they” have been wanting to stop the last placel of free speech, the internet. I know this is big. Stevens is a fool.
August 3rd, 2006 at 12:18 amJust get rid of every last GOP jerk in DC > clean them all out and Lieberman too > lol.
August 3rd, 2006 at 12:30 am#3: The Weekly Standard article you’ve linked to makes no mention of the likely consequences of abandoning net neutrality. For example:
Google users—Another search engine could pay dominant Internet providers like AT&T to guarantee the competing search engine opens faster than Google on your computer.
Innovators with the “next big idea”–Startups and entrepreneurs will be muscled out of the marketplace by big corporations that pay Internet providers for dominant placing on the Web. The little guy will be left in the “slow lane” with inferior Internet service, unable to compete.
Ipod listeners—A company like Comcast could slow access to iTunes, steering you to a higher-priced music service that it owned.
Political groups—Political organizing could be slowed by a handful of dominant Internet providers who ask advocacy groups to pay “protection money” for their websites and online features to work correctly.
Nonprofits—A charity’s website could open at snail-speed, and online contributions could grind to a halt, if nonprofits can’t pay dominant Internet providers for access to “the fast lane” of Internet service.
Online purchasers—Companies could pay Internet providers to guarantee their online sales process faster than competitors with lower prices—distorting your choice as a consumer.
Small businesses and tele-commuters—When Internet companies like AT&T favor their own services, you won’t be able to choose more affordable providers for online video, teleconferencing, Internet phone calls, and software that connects your home computer to your office.
Parents and retirees—Your choices as a consumer could be controlled by your Internet provider, steering you to their preferred services for online banking, health care information, sending photos, planning vacations, etc.
Bloggers—Costs will skyrocket to post and share video and audio clips—silencing citizen journalists and putting more power in the hands of a few corporate-owned media outlets.
Just to name a few.
The Weekly Standard can be counted on to represent the interests of a handful of large multinational corporations, but it has little concern for the interests of the consumer.
August 3rd, 2006 at 12:55 amIt’s nice to know that in my own small way I’ve helped move the word GOPER further into the public lexicon.
Now let’s make the Gopers lament
August 3rd, 2006 at 1:50 amThis is OUTrageous–
August 3rd, 2006 at 2:56 amquick…call your senator!
OT – Rummy changed his mind late last night – guess the old boy found room in his busy schedule to testify (translation: his solitaire partner cancelled).
August 3rd, 2006 at 7:14 amBob Herbert talks about global warming in “Hot Enough Yet?”
August 3rd, 2006 at 7:24 amChase, The Weakly standard’s Bill Kristol is one of the neocon’s PNAC founding members who helped get us into the Iraq quagmire. BTW- he’s also a cowardly chickenhawk who supports war(Vietnam, Iraq, and nuclear strikes on Iran)- but hid behind draft deferments himself(No balls to put his body where his mouth is).
August 3rd, 2006 at 7:43 am
*snort* Sen Tubes…
Seriously folks, take a minute and call your Senator. Mine doesn’t accept my calls anymore, but that’s a different story. :)
Comment by Zooey — August 2, 2006 @ 11:27 pm
You didn’t, like, make them mad or anything, did you…?
August 3rd, 2006 at 9:31 amYou didn’t, like, make them mad or anything, did you…?
Comment by WC
This is what I told Sen Craig: “You’re full of shit, and you know it.”
If I had been trying to be funny, I’d say he didn’t have a sense of humor, but I was completely serious.
So, there’s one thing Sen Craig doesn’t like about me, and 1,000,000 things I don’t like about him. :-D
August 3rd, 2006 at 9:50 am#14 – Bill Kristol didn’t write the article.
Open you mind a little bit. Alphonse’s criticisms notwithstanding, it’s a good article.
And Alphonse, while the article doesn’t address every single point you do above, it says the following:
Isn’t that essentially the same thing you said, if not as complete? Did you take the time to read the article or did you look at the name of the magazine it appeared in and assume it endorsed the telcos, or “multinational corporation” as you call them?
August 3rd, 2006 at 10:11 amI view the net neutrality debate in pretty simple terms… admittedly it’s a much more complex issue than this, but when it comes to my vote I am pro-neutrality (keeping the net the way it is)because:
a) Google, eBay, Yahoo: as a consumer when have you NOT gotten a good deal from these guys?
b) AT&T, Bellsouth, etc: when have these guys EVER given the american consumer a good deal?
c) Entrepreneurs: the net should remain the way it is so that we all have the opportunity to sell out own ideas and be our own entrepreneurs.
d) Big Telcom getting is acting like a lazy business: they have no new entrepreneurial ideas of their own, so to make (even more) money they lobby congress for what amounts to MORE TAXES.
SUMMARY:
Big Telecom doesn’t have the original ideas of their own, so they want to skim profits from people who do have new ideas.
Amazon, eBay and Google have all proven they are on the side of the American Consumer.
Big Telecom has always overcharged me and never given me a deal… why should I trust them on this over Amazon and eBay?
August 3rd, 2006 at 11:34 am#17 Chase; I never said that Kristol wrtoe the article. But I do believe that he is the editor of that fascist rag.
August 3rd, 2006 at 5:01 pm