Following Powerline, Washington Times Falsely Claims Dingell Refuses To ‘Condemn Hezbollah’
Following Powerline, Washington Times Falsely Claims Dingell Refuses To ‘Condemn Hezbollah’
Yesterday, the right-wing blog Powerline posted a chopped audio clip from a July 30 interview to smear Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) as a Hezbollah apologist. This morning, the Washington Times follows their lead:
Here’s what Mr. Dingell had to say to a reporter in Detroit the other day during a television program: “I don’t take sides for or against Hezbollah; I don’t take sides for or against Israel.” When asked if he really wasn’t “against Hezbollah,” Mr. Dingell replied, “No.”
Part of what’s behind Mr. Dingell’s appalling refusal to condemn Hezbollah are the tens of thousands of Muslims, mostly Shi’ites, living in his Michigan district.
Dingell did condemn Hezbollah in the same interview the Washington Times criticizes. The Washington Times cuts Dingell’s answer off at “No.” Here’s the full exchange:
Q: You’re not against Hezbollah?
DINGELL: No, I happen to be — I happen to be against violence, I think the United States has to bring resolution to this matter. Now, I condemn Hezbollah as does everybody else, for the violence.
Dingell also signed a letter on July 28, two days before the interview aired, calling on the EU to add Hezbollah to their terrorist list. He also voted for a House Resolution in March 2005 which made the same request. (In a subsquent post responding to “the loons at Think Progress,” Powerline nevertheless maintains that Dingell “does not quite deem [Hezbollah] a terrorist group.”)
There are legitimate criticisms of Dingell’s position on this issue. But they should be based on his actual views, not a dishonest caricature.
Contact Tony Blankley, the Washington Times Editorial Page Editor, and (politely) tell him to publish Dingell’s full response and stop misleading his readers.
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I don’t think these people understand the English languauge very well. The question asks if he does NOT condemn Hezbollah. He answers NO. That means, at least in the language that I learned as a child, that he does. Which he then reiterates later in the answer.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:37 amI don’t condemn Hezbollah. I condemn Lebanon, which supports Hezbollah.
We need to press for wars against countries, not wars against terror.
For example, the Lebanon war.
We need wars that will have oversight by congress, the courts, and the world.
It is no accident that Neocons chose to not negotiate with their enemies. It is to deny legitmiacy, and hence oversight.
Why don’t Palestinians just move somewhere where they are wanted? -Ed Schultz
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:49 am#2 – So, based on how “Powerline” does their interviews, we can accurately say that TIA says: “I don’t condemn Hezbollah.” If you don’t condemn terrorism then you support terrorism.
Oh, My GOD! TIA supports terrorism! How un-American can you get!!!!!
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:56 am“We don’t negotiate with terrorists” = “We don’t negotiate with people who scare us”.
Reagan started the cancer.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:57 am“We don’t negotiate with terrorists†= “We don’t negotiate with people who scare usâ€.
SEP 11 2001 PRESIDENTIAL SPEECH TO THE NATION!….THAT WAS SCARRY!!!
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:06 amThis is exactly what I would expect from the Moony Times.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:11 amkudos to the congressman for his deft handling of a double negative.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:14 amReally Zooey, Why bother contacting Tony Blakely….He knew he was talking about an edited tape, everyone did the day buttrocket released it.
Naaa, the Rev Sun Yung Moon’s paper isn’t fit to line bird cages with. maybe that’s why republithugs read it. It allows them to wallow in the muck & mire they try to drag the rest of us into every day….ie – see troll examples above.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:21 amI don’t condemn Hezbollah at all.
After seeing what the Israelis are doing to Lebanon, I kinda think Israel deserves the katushas being launched at it.
All you have to do is look at the 10 lebanese to 1 israeli death ratio.
Don’t get me wrong, I want Hezbollah to go away, but the Israelis are no better.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:23 amI politely told Blankley that he’s a liar and a hack.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:23 amWhy is this even an issue? Rep. Dingell can end this controversy by simply releasing a written press release which unequivically explains his position on Hezbollah and it’s actions.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:27 amI used to write Blankley. He writes about some pretty vanilla crap sometimes. You can tell by his writing style he is more concerned with structure and delivery than making substantive statements. He’s a step above amateur. He knows it. Diane Rhem kicks his ass.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:28 ambumblebums
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:30 amBlankley is not a liar or hack. He’s an extremely poor communicator.
Why dignify such assininity with a response? Why even pay attention to that Moonie rag? Anyone who seriously reads that drivel is far beyond rational argument, or even rational thought. Save your logic for those of the middle ground who may be persuaded to support progressive causes and positions.
Throw your life preservers to those still floundering, not to the headless shark chum to whom the Times writes.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:31 amNo means no. Don’t argue semantics here folks. Dingell said No. Quit wringing your hands over this.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:40 amDeep Thinker you ain’t one are you?
It’s an issue because reichtwingers took a reply and doctored it, then told theri fellow nazis that a democrat supports Hezbollah. If you read Dingels full, true & correct response to the question, you see he already said what you asked him to say.
deep thinker…..How deep is it? I’ll let everyone else fill in their own punch lines….
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:47 am#13: Blankley is not a liar or hack. He’s an extremely poor communicator.
What, exactly, is he having trouble communicating? Are you suggesting he wasn’t aware of the second half of Dingell’s quote?
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:48 amWhy dignify such assininity with a response?
Unfortunately, while it is indeed tempting to take the high road and not even acknowledge this latest salvo fired from the right-wing character-assassination machine, the sad fact is that such lies will eventually make it from the ‘Moonie rag’ to the mainstream via osmosis, which, of course, is the intent.
All of the right-wing lies, distortions, and deceptions must be rigorously debunked before they get a chance to be repeated enough to become ‘truth’.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:49 amyou act surprised at the washingperson’s clock, it isn’t a news paper.
the idea of anyone telling the truth these days is fanciful.
perhaps we should legislate truth? it might educate us to a variety of things we should know
ah, forgot, our government can’t trust us with the truth. Their world is built on complete lies, and they can’t allow the unwashed masses to know. If we the people vote for it, the supreme court will knock it down. After all, our latest two justices don’t even know what truth means, they are politicians that have acted for their party above the will of the country
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:50 amWhy dignify such assininity with a response?
Election 2000 and Election 2004
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:52 amElection 2006 and Election 2008
Learn from the past or be burned again in the future.
Reply to Deep Thinker:
Why is this even an issue? Rep. Dingell can end this controversy by simply releasing a written press release which unequivically explains his position on Hezbollah and it’s actions.
Let me attempt to illustrate to you why this is a problem:
Deep Thinker is a pedophile.
Don’t worry, DT…you can ‘end this controversy’ by simply releasing a written press release which unequivocally explains your position regarding your pedophilia.
See how that works?
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:53 am#15: No means no. Don’t argue semantics here folks. Dingell said No.
Agreed. Now take a look at the question: “You’re not against Hezbollah?” If Dingell is against Hezbollah, then the correct response to this question is “No.” And if you still have doubts, he clarifies this further when he says, “I condemn Hezbollah as does everybody else.” Are you really suggesting that Dingell’s “No” means he doesn’t condemn Hezbollah? How, then, do you explain his statement, “I condemn Hezbollah”?
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:53 am#15
Q: You’re not against Hezbollah?
Choice of answers:
a) Yes
b) Correct
c) No
d) Incorrect
Which answer(s) means he condemns Hezbollah and which answer(s) means he does not? Think English lesson 101.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:58 am[...] But again as Think Progress points out, first Hinderaker and now the Washington Times presumably using Hinderaker’s clipped audio, uses only a partial quote to condemn Dingell. Here’s the full quote one more time. Q: You’re not against Hezbollah? [...]
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:00 amhey, how can you hate a political party with such a cool flag! it comes in different versions…i think the black one is the prettiest.
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:02 am#23 Better yet, let’s take out the word NOT, and totally confuse the right wingers who are demonizing Dingell.
You’re against Hezbollah? Had Dingell answered No, then this whole damn blog and article would have had a “raison d’etre”
But Dingell would have answered, YES, I’m against Hezbollah (just as he answered NO, I’m NOT against…)
Still confused? If yes, you really shouldn’t be voting!
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:06 amthe EU should ad Congress to the terrorist list since they support the terroist state israel
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:07 amit sounds like dingell is a flip-flopper to me…
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:13 amSee and read Republican Oversight, Republicans’ New Lapel and Republican Cuff-Links in Gallery 1 at http://www.editorialpaintings.com
Thanks!
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:19 amThis is just more of the “if you are not with us you are against us” as we jump off a cliff [playground rule #1]
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:21 amI do not support those whom jump off cliffs
I am not an apologist for those who jump, blindly, off cliffs
If you do jump off a cliff don’t expect me to follow just because you thought it was the WE thing to do.
Jumping off cliffs is bad for you.
Lemmings follow people off cliffs.
Lemmings expect everyone to be just as stupid as they are.
It’s the STUPIDITY, STUPID!!
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:25 am[...] Think Progress has more: Dingell also signed a letter on July 28, two days before the interview aired, calling on the EU to add Hezbollah to their terrorist list. He also voted for a House Resolution in March 2005 which made the same request. (In a subsquent post responding to “the loons at Think Progress,” Powerline nevertheless maintains that Dingell “does not quite deem [Hezbollah] a terrorist group.”) [...]
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:25 amMy son supports Hezbolla,and he supports the insurgency in Iraq,as well as the Taliban.
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:32 amSee how he creates more and more and more of it every day.Such a good boy.
#22 Do you not deny you are not against condemning Hizbollah? Is no not your answer?
:)
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:34 amLeave Rep. Dingell alone and call for Bush to resign for helping Israel to attack Lebanon!
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:37 am#33
Correct.
Love it.
August 2nd, 2006 at 11:42 amAll of the right-wing lies, distortions, and deceptions must be rigorously debunked before they get a chance to be repeated enough to become ‘truth’.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 2, 2006 @ 10:49 am
I agree with you, TMM — we must rigorously debunk the bunk. But contacting the editor of the Washington Slimes won’t debunk anything — it’ll just be feeding into his distorted Machievellian view of himself and his rag as actually mattering.
To effectively debunk this crap, we need to expose these false reports someplace other than in the source of the reports themselves. For example, contact other media outlets and let them know that the real story here isn’t what Dingell said or didn’t say — it’s that right wingnut rags like the Washington Slimes keep distorting the truth (or just making stuff up) for political purposes. Letters to the editor in local newspapers are, in my experience, a VERY effective way of doing this…
BTW, don’t worry folks — most of us here in Washingtoon, DC recognize the Washington Slimes for what it is — a feeble attempt to compete with the Washington Post that even the Post doesn’t take seriously. ‘Round here, we don’t use the Washington Slimes for anything other than cleaning fish or wiping up dog urine — and even there, that demeans the fish and the urine…
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:01 pmBlankley will try to spread the lie on “Left, Right and Center” too – he’s a professional liar, and thorough.
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:22 pmEnough of this! The actions of Powerline and the Washington Times are clearly slander and defamation against the Congressman. Not only is the quote false, but prior to publication, the quote was shown to be false. And it implicates that Congressman Dingell supports terrorism. Therefore, the Congressman should file suit for slander and defamation of character.
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:23 pmIn your paper:
Here’s what Mr. Dingell had to say to a reporter in Detroit the other day during a television program: “I don’t take sides for or against Hezbollah; I don’t take sides for or against Israel.†When asked if he really wasn’t “against Hezbollah,†Mr. Dingell replied, “No.â€
Part of what’s behind Mr. Dingell’s appalling refusal to condemn Hezbollah are the tens of thousands of Muslims, mostly Shi’ites, living in his Michigan district.
The un-edited version:
Q: You’re not against Hezbollah?
DINGELL: No, I happen to be — I happen to be against violence, I think the United States has to bring resolution to this matter. Now, I condemn Hezbollah as does everybody else, for the violence.
Mr. Blankley, please retract your edited version of this exchange. If you do not, you will have proved that your paper is only a propaganda vehicle, and not news at all.
How can you sleep at night knowing that your pandering to this administration and its illegal “war on terror” is costing the lives of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians? As a journalist, you have a responsibility to report the truth. Unfortunately, you prefer the lies.
Remember that propaganda is a war crime, if you lose the war. See you on the gallows? Or will you develop a conscience?
Sincerely,
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:33 pm(signature)
Jebus loves me
“I don’t condemn Hezbollah at all.”
I mean, YOU ARE ONE OF A FEW HERE WHO TRULY MUST BE ON HEAVY PILLS.
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:46 pmRead it and weep … I did.
I am a little rag doll who has lost her owner. Yesterday she played with me, combed my hair, and showed me off to all her friends. There were quite a few of them, all huddled together in the basement. For a moment I was lost as a little boy grabbed me by the arms and tossed me high into the air, but then my owner rescued me and cradled me in her arms once again.
http://hopefulbeirut.blogspot.com/2006/07/rag-dolls-plea.html
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:47 pmYou say, “Contact Tony Blankley”.
Man, there aren’t enough showers in my house for the necessary clean-up afterwards. That guy is revolting.
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:22 pmIt’s hilarious watching TP throw a hissy fit for people pointing out the left trying to hide their anti-semitism. The left can’t hide their true fascist nature anymore.
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:27 pmYour not against Hezbollah?
What a stupid way to phrase a question, perhaps it was intentional?
Are you for or against Hezbollah?
Do you support Hezbollah?
Do you condemn Hezbollah?
…not against…. sounds kinda like “I killed him dead”.
Maybe the Washington times is just phrasing everything in Bush Speak now.
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:28 pmA couple of points need to be made here:
(1) Judd and TP have now chopped their own quote from the Dingell interview, leaving out the words “but I think if we’ve got to talk to them and if we don’t — if we don’t get ourselves in a position where we can talk to both sides and bring both sides together, the killing and the blood let is going to continue.” These words clearly show that Dingell is pathetically more interested in talking to terrorists that in condemning them or defeating them.
Shame on you, Judd and TP, for doing exactly what you criticized Powerline for doing.
(2) The original interview was about Dingell’s vote against House Res. 921, supporting Israel and condemning Hexbollah. In Dingell’s own words he voted against the resolution because he was afraid the Hezbollah terrorists might not like it, making it more difficult for us to “talk to them.†Big deal. Why should Dingell care what a bunch of terrorists think?
(3) At best, Dingell pays mere lip service in the interview to what he opposed in the House vote – condemnation of Hezbollah. But we don’t pay congressmen to give interviews – we pay them to vote on the issues of the day. When it came time to vote
Dingell voted aginst condemning Hezboillah, and he didn’t back away from that vote in the interview.
(4) Maybe Dingell’s moral obtuseness has something to do with the fact that his district has a significant Muslim/Lebanese population. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Dingell’s district also includes Ann Arbor, home to an extremely liberal University of Michigan community that includes anti-Israel faculty member Juan Cole [According to one U of M official, Cole “has an appalling Web site, highly critical of Israel.â€]. I notice that you failed to mention those facts.
This information is, at the very least, relevant to a transparent understanding of who John Dingell is and what constituencies he represents. That why the WT refers to Dingell’s Muslim constituents. Judd’s/TP’s failure to include these facts, and its chopping of its own quote from the interview, are failures of ethics and credibility, matched only by Dingell’s appalling refusal to condemn terrorists for their terrorism.
Judd?
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:28 pmThe fascists are Bush lovers and the Israel Zionists!
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:30 pm#43 Rick,
So are you not against condemning facism?
I’m not against being in favor of condemning the support of semitism neither anti or pro.
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:31 pm45 Blue State Red
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:39 pmThe resolution Dingell voted against was about choosing sides, thereby making it impossible for the US to be any type of peacebroker or to condemn the violence on either side. If you were honest you would admit that Dingell’s interest is not talking to both sides as an end in itself, but talking and negotiating as a means of stopping the violence (”bring resolution to the matter”). Shame on you and the Washington Times.
It’s hilarious watching TP throw a hissy fit for people pointing out the left trying to hide their anti-semitism. The left can’t hide their true fascist nature anymore.
Comment by Rick — August 2, 2006 @ 1:27 pm
I am not an ant-whatist, but I do despise Israelies and the state of Israel, not because they are Jewish though. I couldn’t care less about religion, but because they are bloodthirsty war mongering freaks. I feel much the same way about Hizbollah, the IRA and President Bush.
What do they all have in common? A tendency to kill people when things don’t go their way.
We need laws to protect us against all such people, especially the ones with the biggest guns, who have after all killed more innocent civilians (albeit with apologies) in the last 3 years, than the entire body count of every terrorist organisation of the 20th and 21st century combined.
And Americans wonder why people hate them? How could one NOT?
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:39 pmThe left’s support of Islamo-nazis should be no surprise to anyone. The left in the US is just following their fascist thought leaders in the EUrinal.
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:41 pmAnd Americans wonder why people hate them? How could one NOT?
I don’t wonder why islamo-fascists and european communists/socialists/fascists hate America. It would be strange if they didn’t.
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:47 pmThe left’s support of Islamo-nazis should be no surprise to anyone. The left in the US is just following their fascist thought leaders in the EUrinal.
Comment by Rick — August 2, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
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This is not simply a damnable lie, but it doesn’t even make sense. The left is far less tolerant of drooling superstitous religous freaks, be they Jew, Muslim or Christian. As the more vocal on the right tirelessly point out.
However, we also disapprove of pointless killing, and would suggest that it should be stopped and those that commit these crimes be punished.
This is not terribly difficult to grasp. Why are you so confused?
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:48 pmThe resolution Dingell voted against was about choosing sides
I’m still waiting for Judd to “publish Dingell’s full response and stop misleading his readers.”
In the meantime, yes, the resolution was about choosing sides. Anyone with patriotic, liberal, Christian values should understand the importance of choosing sides. Patriotic choices (”Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country”), liberal choices (”Not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character”), and Christian choices (”Who do you say that I am?”) have been required of people throughout history. We are not exempt from that requirement today.
There is a clear choice to be made today between good and evil in the world. Unfortunately, “talking and negotiating as a means of stopping the violence” is not one of our choices – because it never works. If it did – given all the past “talking and negotiating as a means of stopping the violence” – there would be perfect peace in Israel and Lebanon today.
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:52 pmRight wingers are already de-facto fascists , so yeah that would make me anti-fascism Rick.
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:54 pmShame on you, Judd and TP, for doing exactly what you criticized Powerline for doing.
Comment by Blue State Red — August 2, 2006 @ 1:28 pm
What? That TV station and Powerline mangled Dingell’s reply to make it sound he had said the exact opposite of what he actually said.
Dingell’s position regarding negotiations with all parties involved in the Lebanese conflict is an entirely different matter.
Why should Dingell care what a bunch of terrorists think?
Because if the US intends to be an honest peace broker in the MiddleEast, the Bush administration needs to be able to talk to all parties -in the same way the British government negotiated with the IRA, and the Spanish with the ETA.
Dingell voted aginst condemning Hezboillah, and he didn’t back away from that vote in the interview.
Because the US needs to be able to talk to both sides. If the House will condemn violence, it needs to be done across the board.
I notice that you failed to mention those facts.
Juan Cole’s stance on the conflict is irrelevant, don’t be ridiculuos. Are you one of those people who see the Virgin Mary on toasts?
This information is, at the very least, relevant to a transparent understanding of who John Dingell is and what constituencies he represents.
And none of that is relevant to the fact that Powerline dishonestly chopped Dingell’s reply to make it look like he said the oppopsite of what he actually said.
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:55 pmThere is a clear choice to be made today between good and evil in the world. Unfortunately, “talking and negotiating as a means of stopping the violence†is not one of our choices – because it never works. If it did – given all the past “talking and negotiating as a means of stopping the violence†– there would be perfect peace in Israel and Lebanon today.
Comment by Blue State Red — August 2, 2006 @ 1:52 pm
It took Britian the best part of 30 years to wind down the worst of the violence in the north of Ireland. No one is saying it’s easy, but it does work, it has worked in numerous regions around the world.
Your solution leads to either genocide or endless war. No people will accept the bitter cup that Israel is forcing on them, most especially not when they represent the overwhelming majority in the region. It’s as if you guys want this to explode into all out war.
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:56 pmWe may legitimately characterize the Washington Times as a rag owned by Rev. Moon, who enjoys a peculair relationship with some on the Hill, but its editor, Tony Blankley, is a regular pundit on television news and accepts recognition as a legitimate journalist. For the Republican, Blankley, to retain a measure of credibility, he should quickly clarify this gross misrepresentation of Dingell’s remarks. If he does not do so, it will be at further risk to his own reputation (which is just this side of shitty, IMHO).
August 2nd, 2006 at 1:58 pmIt is indeed bizarre that any objective person could maintain that this guy “supports” Hizbollah, when he clearly says “I condem Hizbollah”. There is surely nothing left to discuss?
Republicans appear now to live in some kind of bizarre jingoistic alternate reality. It’s wild. Someone should do a paper.
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:00 pmBrian,
From my experience here at Thinkprogress, much of the problem is that discussions are not about being objective, fair, or intellectually honest but about “winning” the argument.
In this case for example, since it is too obvious that Dingell said “I condem Hezbollah” conservatives will ignored it and will bring other, non-relevant factoids into the discussion to (try to) steer the discussion away from Powerline’s dishonest misquotation and into Dingell moral, ethical standing.
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:11 pmPerhaps to better understand the media and how they twist things you all might want to read this article.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5725
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:15 pmWow! The “Cognitive Distortions” of the left are here in abundance.
Cheeks be with you!
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:27 pmCome on Gregor, I know your thinking hard! Just spit it out, and quit googling to come up with a response.
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:39 pmPowerline has a “FURTHER UPDATE” that is kind of interesting. In it, they explain that: “The excerpt (of Dingell’s appearance) was emailed to me by a reader; I considered the possibility that it might be misleading because of something that came before or after. I concluded, however, that Dingell had plainly declared himself neutral between the state of Israel and the terrorist group Hezbollah, and that nothing that preceded or followed could change that disgusting fact.”
Get that? “I concluded … that nothing that preceded or followed could change” the meaning of the quote. That’s pretty amazing. How do you come to a conclusion like that? I mean, what if Dingell had said “No… I don’t just condemn them, I damn them to hell for all eternity!” I guess that wouldn’t have changed the meaning much.
I think what this “update” really means is: “Ok, I got suckered again but I’m not going to admit I was wrong. And by the way, there are lots of WMDs in Iraq.”
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:49 pmWow! The “Cognitive Distortions†of the left are here in abundance.
Pure undiluted projection. Incredible, you rarely see that outside of the lab.
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:49 pmI think what this “update†really means is: “Ok, I got suckered again but I’m not going to admit I was wrong. And by the way, there are lots of WMDs in Iraq.â€
Comment by DryHeat — August 2, 2006 @ 2:49 pm
So in future, you don’t just have to watch what you say, but what the right wing might think you said? Tricky.
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:51 pmBrian Coughlin, nice blog. In your ideal world government view, the US would give up its sovereingty and communists/fascist states like Sudan, Zimbabwe, Cuba, N. Korea would have equal representation (if not more). I guess we can assume it would be like the UN human rights commission now.
You’re just another sick communist.
August 2nd, 2006 at 2:55 pmYou’re just another sick communist.
Comment by Rick — August 2, 2006 @ 2:55 pm
Sorry Rick, you need to actually read a blog to determine it’s content. You’ve missed the boat big time. Funny:-)
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:00 pmAnyone with patriotic, liberal, Christian values should understand the importance of choosing sides. comment by Blue State Red
Obviously, you are addressing me without the courtesy. I agree that we must choose values, but not necessary sides. “For us or against us”, “Israel or terrorists”, “good or evil” are self-limiting and myopic choices. Some of us choose the “side” of peace (”Blessed are the peacemakers”) and talking to try to resolve (or at least contain) conflict. It may not always work, but saying it “never works” is inaccurate. The violent attempts to destroy enemies in the Middle East has been going on a lot longer than attempts to negotiate and “never works” is more applicable to that violence as a solution. There are enough countries in the world ready to choose battle sides. We need the US to be the leader in choosing the peacekeeping side.
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:08 pm#66: In your ideal world government view, the US would give up its sovereingty and communists/fascist states like Sudan, Zimbabwe, Cuba, N. Korea would have equal representation (if not more)….You’re just another sick communist.
If you weren’t allowed to totally misrepresent other people’s opinions, would you have anything at all to say?
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:08 pmCheeks (?),
Wha? What in the world are you talking about? What exactly am I supposed to respond to, and why would I even want to?
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:16 pm#53: There is a clear choice to be made today between good and evil in the world.
I’ve posted a similar list on another thread, but I just want to be sure I understand your viewpoint.
Good:
Ann Coulter
Democrats (1852-1939)
Fox News
France (1776-1789)
Geneva Conventions (1949-2000)
Israel
Libya (2003-present)
Michael Savage
Nicaraguan Contras (1978-1990)
Osama bin Laden (1979-1989)
People’s Mujahedin of Iran
Pervez Musharraf
Republicans (1940-present)
Rush Limbaugh
Saddam Hussein (1980-1988)
Sudanese government
Uzbekistan (2001-present)
Evil:
Al Franken
Al Gore
Democrats (1940-present, plus Strom Thurmond’s 1948 presidential campaign)
France (1790-present)
Geneva Conventions (2001-present)
Hugo Chavez
International Criminal Court
Jimmy Carter
Lebanese civilians
Libya (1980-2002)
New York Times
Osama bin Laden (1993-present)
Republicans (1852-1939)
Saddam Hussein (1991-present)
Sandinistas
United Nations
Did I miss anything?
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:16 pmDear Mr. Blankley,
I write to ask you to please bring journalistic ethics back to the Washington Times.
Dingell said unequivocally that he condemns Hezbollah, “Now, I condemn Hezbollah as does everybody else, for the violence.”
I must say that I was not surprised that the Washington Times ran Powerline’s blatant lies about Rep. Dingell unchecked. I have seen this time and time again, mainstream journalists and editors repeating lies from right-wing extremists. If journalists and their editors do not check the story then they need to find employment in another field, for they have ceased to be journalists and have become propagandists. If they do check the facts and run them anyway, then they are knowingly lying to their readership.
Some would call this ‘misleading’ the readers. It seems obvious that the Washington Times has gone far beyond misleading here.
Please correct this lie as soon as possible.
Thank you for your time,
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:21 pmRobin Grant
Alponse,
you forgot the International Socialist Conspiracy. Funny thing is I can’t seem to find a website.
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:24 pmLook – we are talking about the former spokesperson for Newt. Tony might just reply that it’s his job to lie, which he does a LOT.
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:38 pm#73: you forgot the International Socialist Conspiracy. Funny thing is I can’t seem to find a website.
I can’t believe I made such an egregious oversight. I hope that my overlords at the Project for a New American Century will forgive me.
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:46 pmOmigod! Strom Thurmond should be “good,” not “evil.” Almighty God, please accept my apologies!
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:49 pm#68: Excellent post. Thank you.
August 2nd, 2006 at 3:51 pm71,
please add “Liberal Media” to the EVIL column and
“any article, study, or so-called scientist that can be conveniently misrepresented to support your position at a given moment” to the GOOD Column
August 2nd, 2006 at 4:27 pmBrian Coughlin, I noticed you actually dodged answering anything about your one world communist government advocacy. Nobody should be surprised. The fascist left is incapable of telling the truth, just like their islamo-nazi friends.
August 2nd, 2006 at 4:46 pmWE AMERICANS STAND BY ISRAEL NO MATTER WHAT
PLEASE SHOW YOUR SUPPORT AND LEAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THE VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrclT15-0bs
August 2nd, 2006 at 4:55 pmDid I miss anything?
Looks like you’re missing your brain, Mr. Scarecrow.
August 2nd, 2006 at 5:17 pmLooks like you’re missing your brain, Mr. Scarecrow. Comment by Blue State Red
If I remember that story it was the “wizard” who was pretending to be intelligent and the Scarecrow who actually had all the good ideas.
That story may be a good metaphor for the neocons trying to “reform” America. Be careful where you say you want to go, you might get there and realize, too late, that “there’s no place like home”. Let’s “stay the course” with our Jeffersonian democracy that avoids foreign entanglements like “choosing sides” in the Middle East.
August 2nd, 2006 at 5:34 pmThis kind of crap happens all the time to Democrats.
Here’s what they should do, DEMAND NEWSPAPER SPACE ON THE EDITORIAL PAGE TO WRITE THEIR OWN UNEDITED EDITORIAL!
If it happens on TV, DEMAND UNINTERRUPTED TIME TO MAKE THEIR OWN COMMENT!
Nothing short of this is an adequate solution to the problem.
August 2nd, 2006 at 7:38 pmTo the Memory of my fellow American, compatriot and the Soldier of Freedom
Michael Levin, 22,
“… moved to Israel three years ago from Pennsylvania and enlisted in the paratroopers, Israeli media reported. Levin cut short a visit to his family four days ago and returned to his unit.”
By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer
Peace for Israel
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:48 pmHezbullah is fighting against Israel occupation and hence acts committed by it are not equivlaent to Israel’s whole sale massacres. I have to hear a single voice here condemning Israel’s actions. In fact, loyalty to the jewish state has become obligatory to life in the U.S. that its impossible to utter anti-Israel views without being vehemently condemned. Sites like huffingtonpost.com have even stopped accepting anti-Israeli comments on its blog.
August 2nd, 2006 at 9:23 pmMany in Lebanon don’t think Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. They are the only group protecting the Shiites and Lebonese in general. They have proportionately killed less Isreali civilians than soldiers while the IDF has killed many more Lebonese civilians than soldiers. Now who are the terrorists?
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:11 pmWell, at least Dingle is being perfectly clear and leaving no room for doubt about his feelings about Hezbollah. Good thing the Democrats dont have any problem convincing Americans they have a clear sense of how to deal with terrorism (beyond, of course, opposing any new civilian government security departments that would not be forcably unionized.)
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:42 pm#82: Looks like you’re missing your brain, Mr. Scarecrow.
How, exactly? The world breaks down into easily definable categories of “good” and “evil,” right? Aren’t my categories in line with what you’re saying?
August 3rd, 2006 at 12:32 am#80: The fascist left is incapable of telling the truth, just like their islamo-nazi friends.
So, let’s see: the left wants a government that unites corporate power and supreme executive power, and they have an alliance with white supremacists who worship Allah? And they’re the ones who have trouble telling the truth?
Do you even have any idea what any of the terms you’ve used actually mean?
August 3rd, 2006 at 12:37 amCan somone please explain why Liberalism is considered to be fascist? Damn! I thought that Liberalism was the same as communism.
That’s what St. Ronne Raygun told us. Liberals were KGB dupes, he said. How the hell did Liberals go from being dumb communists to fascism? It must have happened in recent months, because as late as last September, all protesters were labeled many times as communists and stinking Hippies. Odd, since most of the people i saw were gray-hairs, not a one of them smelled of Patchouli, given how they were dressed, they had done fairly well in ths capitalistic society, so they did not seem like communists to me.
They were too pro-freedom to be either communists or fascists, neither of which is very big on feedom.
Those evil systems are very different: One, fascism, allows corporate entties, unsanswerable to the citizens, to control the state and the people, through government oppression. Another word for corporatism is facsism.
Two, Communism, is total state control of everything including the corporate structure and the lives of the people.
Neither of these systems seem very good to me. As a matter of fact, I have never heard anyone advocate for either one.
I get the decided impression that people who keep throwing these terms around do not have a clue what the hell they are talking about.
Getting back to the subject of the post, there is a difference between Al Qaeda and Hizbollah/Hamas. Al Qaeda exists for no other purpose than waging war, by any means possible, on the West. (or so we have been told). Hizbollah and Hamas have not, to me knowedge threatened the U.S., unless it has been in recent days, after the Bushadministration more or less gave Israel the green light to bomb the hell out of most of Lebanon
Both Hizbollah and Hamas do other things beside launch rockets. They are also social work organizations, that help the poor among their fellows. I would bet that Rep. Dingel is aware of this, as just about everyone else on the planet is.
I do not condemn the good work they do for the poor, sick, disabled, widows and orphans.
I condemn violence, period, I don’t care who is perpertrating it, and terrorism, no matter who is committing it, is one of the worst things mankind has ever come up with for purposes of being inhumane to himself and others.
The terrorism circle of hell; terrify, revenge by the fearful, more terrorism to punish the scared witless terrifyers and on and on, will, eventualy, either deaden us to our own humanity or drive us crazy, which in many ways, is the same thing, just different ends of a spectrum.
It is time to evolve people, or it will be the end of many people, and I’m not talking about the rapture, unless you consider going up in a mushroom cloud to be rapturous.
August 3rd, 2006 at 9:27 am[...] Yesterday, ThinkProgress noted that a Washington Times editorial falsely claimed Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) refused to “condemn Hezbollah.” The editorial used a chopped transcript of a July 30 television interview, which originated on the right-wing blog Powerline, as evidence. In fact, immediately after the transcript was abruptly cut off, Dingell says “I condemn Hezbollah…” [...]
August 3rd, 2006 at 9:54 amAt least 17 soldiers and five civilians are under investigation for the rape of an 11-year-old girl at an Israeli air base, the military confirmed yesterday …
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1765325,00.html – 43k
A Jewish settler who clubbed an Arab child to death with a rifle butt is sentenced to six months’ community service. Human rights organisations are outraged by the sentence.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,662080,00.html
The Pokemon CD was intact, and that was nearly all that remained of Bushra Abu Kweik and her three children after an Israeli tank shell ripped through the roof of their car during the afternoon school run.
Two other children in a passing white Subaru were also killed by the Israeli shell, the deadliest single episode on a day in which 17 Palestinians were killed as Israel adopted a campaign of “continuous military pressure” against West Bank and Gaza militants.
Israeli soldiers break the silence
Israeli soldiers tell of indiscriminate killings by army and a culture of impunity http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1563255,00.html
August 3rd, 2006 at 10:27 amAfter reading the posts on this site for several months there seems to be some consistency as to the feelings of the “bloggers …..let me summarize……because somewhere in my following list you (yes, you the wacko “progressiveâ€) will find an answer to ALL of the problems that America faces today….or at least the person/persons that are responsible for such a miserable existence that we must trudge through in America…..America the damned!!! Each of the items below are just a snippet of what “think progress†stands for….so…in your words….
Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate…
Fox News is Hitler’s SS version of propaganda…
The Democrats are waayyy too conservative and right-leaning….
The Republicans (gulp…I said the word Republicans) work for the Devil…
Lieberman is a Bush crony that never accomplished anything for the state of Connecticut…
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
The War in Iraq was certainly for the oil and making rich people richer!!!
Halliburton? Planning the war(s) for years before 9/11…
9/11? Bush not only knew exactly what/where/when/how…..he helped to plan it…..
9/11? The towers were not taken down by airplanes…American C-4 explosives were strategically placed to “take ‘em downâ€â€¦.
Bush planted the C4…along with the help of Cheney and Rumsfield…
The War in Iraq was certainly a follow-up to papa Bush….and his “failure†in removing Saddam…..
Terrorism is not that big of a deal…it should be monitored and controlled by our police agencies….not the government….
OBL is not that bad….hell, America created him!!
Saddam is not the bad…hell, America created him!!
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not that bad….he does not want nukes for weapons…its all about the fuel baby!!!
Problems in the Middle East…Americas fault…
Darfur? Bush and Cheney are not fully responsible for the genocide—but at least 78%….
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Try to resolve the problems in the Middle East??—Why does America feel it should stick its nose in others business…
Israel…America’s puppet….
Israel is the cause of most of the problems in the Middle East….Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization—they were “elected†into a position of power in a democratic government!!!
America did the worse job of evacuating its citizens from Lebanon…Denmark did the best…Denmark is #1!!! Denmark is #1!!!….
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
American flags are made for one purpose….to burn!!!!!!!!
The primary run off in Ct proves that the American people want an immediate withdrawal from Iraq….
AIDS in Africa killing scores? Bush’s Fault….well, maybe 82% responsible…
Socialism #1…Communism #2….Dictatorship #3…Democracy #4…as ranked by the bloggers on “Think Progress†as best form of govt….
Global Warming is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
The short-comings of American schools…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
The short-comings of Health-care….a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
Oil?….ever since man has been able to process it into a usable fuel….all the problems have been…..a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
Wal-mart=Capitalism=Bush cronies=Conservatives=devil
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Mexican Immigration problem? No problemo…
Katrina?….a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……not the response—the actual cause of the hurricane…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive
Katrina…response to it?….Bush hates blacks…..it’s that simple……did I mention Bush hates Mexicans, Canadians, French, Italians, Spaniards, Russians, Irish, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Aussies, Swedes, New Zealanders, anybody that might be of south American persuasion, anybody that might be a mix bred, anybody from Africa-even if they “look†white, and of course…all Muslims….
Did I mention that according to this site that Bush hates gays? And wants them dead?
The economy—-the worse it’s been in the history of America—-….is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
International relations? well—before Bush we were loved from china to south America…but now—America is hated all around the world and we need to kowtow to the Europeans and Islam so they like us…..we want other people to like us…we really want other people to like us………please like us…..please?
Homeless problem in a city/town near you?…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…
Abortion is good (million+ innocents a year)…Death penalty is Bad (handful of convicted criminals a year)….
(Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Lines at the super-market….. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…
Howard Stern being fined for foul behavior/language…. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive….
Katrina “evacuees†in Houston or other cities committing hideous crimes?… a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
Christian groups are bigots and things such as “faith day†(at a ball park after the game) are nothing more than the radical rights attempt at “christian-izing†us….
America’s military is weak and the Draft is right around the corner…
“God†should not be in the Pledge….
“God†should not be on our currency…
“God†should not be……….
Cindy Sheehan should not be questioned nor debated…..her son died for her right to hang out in Crawford dam it!!!
America went to war unprepared….look at the hummers!! They have absolutely no armor….and its Bush’s fault…
Democrats and Republicans are all the same…evil…out for themselves…slave-masters (its in their family history)…sex addicts…and of course out to kill Americans in a fake war that was based on purposely fraudulent intelligence…
The (mass) media is covering up everything!!!
Good policing and investigative work is called—racial profiling!!!
“Minimum Wage should be at least $18.00 a hourâ€
“Progressive†reporters get kick out of all the neo-cons news briefings…
“My phones have been taped because I went to an anti-war rally!â€
“My cable has been on the blink and my phone has been making weird noises since I went to a anti-war Rallyâ€
Anybody that makes money and lives a successful life MUST be doing something that hurts the poor or crippled….
Taxes and more taxes are good for the economy…tax cuts/breaks only help the millionaires…
SUV’s were created by conservatives that wanted to help out their “oil buddiesâ€â€¦
People should not be expected to take care of themselves!!! That’s the role of government…
People should not be able to invest their social security account as they wish!! That’s the role of the government…
If I forgot a topic or an issue please just fill it in with the following…
“BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA..BUSH IS THE DEVIL BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…REPUBLICANS ARE THE DEVIL… WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA…AMERICA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD…-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…â€
IN CONLUSION::::::
I have posted this because it addresses nearly all the issues that “think progress†and its bloggers believe/state/dream about….in other words, this post can be placed on any of your blogs and it will make sense……thanks “think progress†bloggers for making this so easy….if you think my post is foolish….please remember—these are your words (with some editing liberties taken…oh I forgot—I should not mention anything about taking liberties)….dam America!!!
August 15th, 2006 at 2:06 pm[...] Think Progress Following Powerline, Washington Times Falsely Claims Following Powerline, Washington Times Falsely Claims Dingell Refuses To Condemn Hezbollah Yesterday, the right-wing blog Powerline posted a chopped audio clip from a July 30 [...]
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September 14th, 2006 at 7:23 pm>Mr. Dingell,
You should be ashamed to call yourself an American; let alone represent the people of Michigan. I feel sorry that you can’t make a distinction between Hezbollah and what they stand for verses representing America. It is clear you are trying to save your job in Dearborn. Who are the residents living there???
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