Comments on: FACT CHECK: Data Bolsters Notion Of Iraqi Civil War

By: Thou Shall Not Suck » Blog Archive » Like This and Like That

Thou Shall Not Suck » Blog Archive » Like This and Like That — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:44:20 +0000

[...] Evidence: Here’s a quote from General John Abizaid about the impending civil war, and some more facts that highlight that it’s already happening. [...]

By: A Newer World » Blog Archive » Misleading Numbers

A Newer World » Blog Archive » Misleading Numbers — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:42:37 +0000

[...] Nico at Think Progress does an excellent job of debunking this ignorant article from the conservative Cybercast News Service. According to the Cybercast article, data on recent violence in Iraq “contradicts [the] notion of widespread Iraqi civil war.” That data shows “that over a two-month period ending on July 21, most of the violence happened in just four of Iraq’s 18 provinces.” [...]

By: Cyra Brown

Cyra Brown — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 13:27:06 +0000

#55- O. J. Where are you getting the “whole bunch” thing from? I never said it. And as usual your posts make no sense, except to you, that is. Details. But hey, ramble on, O.J.

By: One Jew

One Jew — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:54:04 +0000

Cyra Brown

Oh, yeah!!! Another “Splend”or: “…given their â€œstay the courseâ€ mentality…”

as oppose to your favorite victorious “flop-flop” mentality. That’s it!

By: One Jew

One Jew — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:50:27 +0000

WaltTheMan

“…some short essays…”

Yeah, right. Now I rem’umb’uh!!!!!

The “short essays” “to the point” perfectly qualifies you for strategic global military analysis.

Yes, indeed!!! Sorry, I overlooked this criteria. My bad.

By: One Jew

One Jew — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:42:57 +0000

Cyra Brown

“…are the ones doing the fighting the same ones that we expect to â€™stand upâ€™, so that we can â€™stand downâ€™? Because if they are,…”

Outsmarted your own self and then got lost? “Splendid.”

I sense you should be able to count to “whole bunch”. Could you?

cos, I t’ink there is more then “whole bunch” of people in Iraq.

By: Cyra Brown

Cyra Brown — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 03:03:46 +0000

Call it what you will, ’sectarian violence’ or ‘civil war”, are the ones doing the fighting the same ones that we expect to ’stand up’, so that we can ’stand down’? Because if they are, I think we might have a long wait ahead of us. Perhaps BushCo is working on an alternative plan? Nah. probably not, given their “stay the course” mentality. Splendid.

By: Al Weed for Congress » National News Roundup

Al Weed for Congress » National News Roundup — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 02:25:20 +0000

[...] But conservative Cybercast News would like you to think things are fine; there’s no civil war, because the violence is occurring almost entirely in four of eighteen provinces. But, as ThinkProgress notes, these are the four provinces where Sunnis and Shiites are concentrated near one another. So Cybercast says it’s not civil war, because it’s just Sunnis fighting Shiites? Good luck convincing anyone of that. [...]

By: Debating Terrorism » Archives » (Re)focusing the Debate: The Prevention of Escalating Violence in Iraq

Sun, 06 Aug 2006 02:17:05 +0000

[...] Much has been written Â concerning whether or not Iraq is in the midst of a civil war. This includes not only reporters, pundits, academics, and those writing in comments sections of blogs, but also public officials. [...]

By: wmd

wmd — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:33:55 +0000

Isnt 60% of the Iraq population in those four proviances ?

By: mighty aphrodite

mighty aphrodite — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 23:23:00 +0000

Marie – If you didn’t appear senile from time to time – I would be forced to think you are as adroit a LIAR as TP has ever had. President Bush NEVER claimed this would be a quick engagement with our enemy. If anything, he said repeatedly, FROM the beginning – this would not be a quick engagement.

Your convenient memory with regards to Saddam and the Taliban would be laughable when one considers your complete lack of context – except you appear to believe the Progressive Dems of America talking points you spew. You relish the clarity of 20/20 hindsight. For the umpteenth time:
Saddam was battling our mortal enemy of the day, Iran. (You remember them? The Persians who gave “our worst President in history” Jimmeh Carter MORE than a run for his money.)

The Afghan mujahadeen (they were NOT referred to as the Taliban during the Afghan/Soviet War were fighting our #1 enemy, the soviet Union. I know this is a difficult concept for the progressive “pinks” of America – but ***NEWS FLASH*** THE Soviet Union was an official antagonist of the USA.

The “fault” you so cavalierly assign to GWB re: the Middle East, lies squarely on the the shoulders of extremist Islamo-wacks. but I have an idea, why don’t you volunteer to go “reason” with them – you seem empathetic enough for the job. One question before you get fitted for that comfy burka, How fond are you of having your head attached to your neck?

By: John Riley

John Riley — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:15:40 +0000

“Remember, no one else invaded Iraq.
This was supposed to be a 6-day, 6-week or no more than 6-month project!”

I bet you had to hunt like the dickens to find that that rosey colored statement.

My Goodness

By: Marie

Marie — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:09:53 +0000

phishwhisperer – don’t go making excuses for Bush like “everyone else had the same info” – Remember, no one else invaded Iraq.
This was supposed to be a 6-day, 6-week or no more than 6-month project!
The WH is privy to intel that no one else has and we belatedly learned that they chose to ignore any intel that contradicted their pre-planned war. Curveball was a known unreliable yet his was the only intel they used. Experts in the area had serious doubts — the inspectors were not finding anything – Bush told them to go home.
As for Saddam’s reign – no doubt he was a nasty guy, but WE supplied the weapons he used against the Kurds. WE supported him when we needed him in the area.
Much like WE supported the Taliban and OBL when they fought the Russians.
Don’t fall back on a “convenient memory” regarding this fiasco – that’s FOX news tactic and BUSHCO uses the public’s short attention span to spin the facts their way.
Bush poked a stick in the hornet’s nest in the middle East – this is his fault and people like you should face up to the fact that he is a failure, a dangerous leader, and the worst president in history.

By: Ho Chi Minh

Ho Chi Minh — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 19:09:32 +0000

“What, me worry?”—Alfred E. Bush

By: Jack

Jack — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:36:46 +0000

What differrence does it make, whether it’s a civil war or not? Are we going to poll the families of the multiple thousands of dead or horribly wounded civilians there and ask them, “Excuse me, but do you believe your loved one died in a civil war, or just incredible chaos?” The fact is undeniable, that there is absolute destruction and bloodshed and the blame can be placed on the doorsteps of this White House. The fact is, this administration could not care less about what you call it, They could not care less about it in any way. This IS EXACTLY what they wanted. I wish I could believe otherwise, but they never stop defending their actions, and they never admit any guilt. They truly believe things are going great over there.

By: RUCerious

RUCerious — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:21:24 +0000

The semantic debate over what constitutes civil war is interesting, but irrelevant.
Since the occupation of Iraq, there has been a concerted effort by Al-Qaeda operatives and Sunni insurgents to disrupt the lives of the Iraqis. I would think that this constitutes at least a rebellion against the US puppet government.
The Al Qaeda operatives were not an issue until after the invasion, so whose fault is it that they are now a factor?
The Sunni rebellion could and should have been very predictable by any student of ME history. The neocon blinders have prevented those in our government from seeing reality. Their “march to freedom” vision of spreading democracy is well documented, with Condi being one of the foremost proponents. We’re screwed. Get out quick, as no amount of troop levels short of a million is going to pacify this rebellion.

By: WaltTheMan

WaltTheMan — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:13:49 +0000

#42 – me,
I am also a poor typist.

By: mighty aphrodite

mighty aphrodite — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:12:58 +0000

Nico – You forgot to add the special effects:
A STANDING OVATION by TP’ers accompanied by THUNDEROUS applause, applause, applause. …. (insert copy here)

FACT CHECK: Data Bolsters Notion Of Iraqi Civil War….blah, blah,,,,blah. (HOORAY!!)
-Nico

******If rational, moderate Iraqi’s outnumber the Sunni and Shiite extremists, my confidence in humanity will be underscored. The Iraqi family who wants to educate their children and contribute to society will triumph over radicals offering up their children for sacrifice – with suicide vests or weapons cache placement. If I am wrong and the term “moderate Iraqi” is an OXYMORON – I may alter my position to stepping aside while they, Praise Allah, gleefully kill each other.

By: WaltTheMan

WaltTheMan — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 18:11:59 +0000

#41 – One Jew,
I have issued some short essays. I try to formulate comments that are short and to the point. Those are the ones read in their entirety during the initial rewiew process.
Thanks for the compliment?

By: One Jew

One Jew — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 17:52:25 +0000

WaltTheMan

“it is a royal f**k-up”

Your name well relates to your comment

- looks like you never done anything except cartoons.

Do not get upset. What I am saying – you are a consistent fella. It’s a complement.