Gingrich: There Is An ‘Insurgency’ in CT Which Says ‘Can’t We Come Home And Hide?’
Gingrich: There Is An ‘Insurgency’ in CT Which Says ‘Can’t We Come Home And Hide?’
This morning on Fox News, Newt Gingrich claimed there is a “legitimate insurgency in Connecticut, which needs to be met head on,” made up of people who say Iraq “is so hard, it is so frightening, it’s so painful, can’t we come home and hide?” Gingrich said that if the “insurgency” wins, “it will be the beginning of extraordinarily important period in American politics, and in American history.” Watch it:
Full transcript:
Third, you have what I think is a legitimate insurgency in Connecticut, which needs to be met head on and debated head on, which is people who say this is so hard, it is so frightening, it’s so painful, can’t we come home and hide? And I think if Lamont wins next Tuesday, it will be the beginning of extraordinarily important period in American politics, and in American history. For all of us to have this debate. How dangerous are the terrorists? How dangerous are the dictatorships? And what does America have to do in that kind of a dangerous world?
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No longer “traitors” for asking legitimate questions, we are now describing Americans as insurgents? That seems to move beyond shrill name calling to a more serious accusation. Is this “insurgency” to be crushed by tanks as well…..? A frightening prospect in a country that is led by a group whose only response to an enemy is brute, physical violence.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:13 am“Insurgency” in CT?? If that’s how little newt would like to call it, at least he should acknowledge by reasoning that the majority of Americans are not insurgents?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:19 amI have no problem with these guys going to the wall for Bush’s policies…they’ll be joining Bush on the scrap pile soon enough.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:19 amcorrections to preview post it’s *NOW instead of *not :P
August 6th, 2006 at 10:20 amFor all his big talk, Newt and the rest of the GOP are scared. They’ve tried to paint anyone who questions Bush’s ‘plan’ in Iraq as cut and runners. But the polls show more and more Americans want to see the American troops home, and very soon.
They’ll be pulling out the big guns and sharpening their talking points in the next few months. But I don’t think it will matter. The nation is sick of war and death. And that’s all the Bush administration and the GOP have brought the nation and the world. No matter how many times you appear on FOX ‘News’ you can’t spin that fact.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:21 am“How dangerous are the terrorists? How dangerous are the dictatorships? And what does America have to do in that kind of a dangerous world?”
Ask yourself that question Newt because you are the terrorist, supporting a dictatorship.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:23 amDemocrats better be ready for this s**t: this is ALL THEY HAVE.
We’ll be Swift-boated, called traitors, weak, cowards.
Hello? DNC, DLC, Dems everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 6th, 2006 at 10:25 amNewtie has been drinking his own kool aid. What’s happening in Ct is democracy. Since Newtie has never been a supporter of democracy, he feels compelled to attack it, where ever it shows.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:26 ammy daughter and i watched V for Vendetta last night - first time for me… she said, as it started, “now remember, mom, it is fiction”… i kept laughing all through it - “no, sweetie, it’s all real…”
gawd, i hate what these people have done to US.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:28 amIt’s an odd statement. Notice he says it is a “legitimate” insurgency, and that there is a debate that really needs to be had about the war on terror. I don’t think anyone here would disagree that we are long overdue for some genuine debate about the so-called war on terror. But the also throws out the tired strawman that the “insurgents” (who by the way represent the views of a majority of Americans) want to run and hide from terrorist threats, as if our choices are either stay the course or run and hide.
He is truly a wanker, but his wankery is quite shrewd and calculated: He look reasonable and open to debate, and then casts that debate in terms of a false dichotomy.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:30 amThis is the GOP effort to cast a Lamont win as a victory for insurgency and thus, a win for terrorists. If the Dems throw out a solid war supporter on Tuesday is is bad news for other war supporters. A Lamont victory could be a tipping point for other voters to realize that it time to toss out supporters of a failed presidental policy and get back to taking care of issues affecting them.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:30 amChickenhawk Newtie likes to talk tough when other people are dying for his freedom to vomit the GOP talking points.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:31 amYes, it’s the period in history where the American voters kick the scumbag repugnacans back into the swamp they slithered out of.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:32 amNewt “Goering” Newt Gingrich, same thing, all these Bozo’s no how to do is capatilize on fear and smear. Inciting the masses with now our own citizens are terrorist, these people have no shame and do not have any bounds.
Scary, were we are going in this once great nation. Newt and his kind are all to willing to shead our young men and women’s blood in the name of protecting our freedom’s squander, rape and pillage our treasury and drag this country down to a point where it will be impossible for us to rise from the ash heap that they are creating.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:32 amI hope all of you took the time to watch the entire the interview of Newt Gingrich before you commented, because he is one of the greatest political historians and stratagists alive today.
Kermit, of the dailyKermit, pens a book titled “Crashing the Gate”, and now you object to the title of “insurgent”. You are self proclaimed insurgents of the Democratic Party and politics in general. I truly thought you would be flattered to be mentioned at all, considering how poorly that book sold.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:33 amYes, Newt is a brilliant ’stratagist.’ But, like Karl Rove, that doesn’t make what he says right, or makes his actions, goals and methods any less nefarious and bad for the nation.
The reality is that as soon as the GOP starts to lose all the little rats how climbed onto their ship will desert them. We’re Americans - we don’t like losers. Much of the GOP’s power comes from the little nothings who repeat what they say in hopes that they’ll appear big. The GOP gave many people in this nation a personality and common goals (albeit wrong-headed and warped on both counts.) But if they start losing to the people they’ve been demonizing all the little nothing will slink back into the aybss.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:41 amI think the real question is “How dangerous is Newt Gingrich?”
August 6th, 2006 at 10:41 amoh so now those who disagree with their governments actions as evidenced via who they support in an election are insurgents? WE are the government - if we don’t like what they’re doing then damn it we have the right to get rid of them so we can change course.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:48 amIMO there’s something of desperation in the Newt’s new talking point. The whole phony-baloney ‘we’re tough on national security’ bit is all the GOP has. If the nation regains it’s senses and starts to actually think about the situation they’re sunk.
Can you imagine the outrage from the conservative if a liberal or democrat spoke about a GOP primary this way?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:53 amNewt’s toadie Lieberman is getting his ass kicked to the curb in CT, and all he can come up with is “insurgents”. How clever, but Newt always was the smarmy clever type.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:54 amHis Contract on America is over. The neocon nightmare is on its way to being over. The American people are waking up from this nightmare. He should be afraid enough to start smearing the democratic process. No more fear! We’re going to do what’s right, and that is depart Iraq ASAP, don’t care what Newt and the toadies call it, or us.
We patriots say “This war is plain wrong for America and always has been. period.”
Newt and the other Neo Cons out there wish we we’re saying “it’s so hard and so dangerous can’t we go hide!”
This is nothing more than Republican wishful thinking — just like Vietnam they point the finger at others so they can hide from their failed theories on nation-building and pre-emptive military hegemony
August 6th, 2006 at 10:55 amWhat a freakin’ moron.
Gingrich, like the rest of the GOP establishment, is terrified of the fallout of a Lamont win. The conventional wisdom after such an event will be “support of the war and of George Bush is political poison”. It will embolden Democrats and panic Republicans.
No wonder Gingrich is trying so hard to marginalize Lamont before the primary is run. It’s all smoke and mirrors designed to keep Dems in line. And it’s not going to work.
Jason,
I do hope you’re not relying on Drudge for your sales figures for “Crashing the Gate”. If so, well, you’re pretty much a self-evident fool, as Glen Reynolds pointed out clear back in April:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 04/ anatomy-of-thought-process-of-bush.html
As far as Gingrich’s words, you’re either (again) a fool or being deliberately obtuse. It’s pretty clear that his use of the term “insurgency” is intended to evoke images of traitors. You know it, and we know it. So who do you think you’re fooling?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:56 amHe should be afraid enough to start smearing the democratic process. No more fear! We’re going to do what’s right, and that is depart Iraq ASAP, don’t care what Newt and the toadies call it, or us.
Comment by RUCerious — August 6, 2006 @ 10:54 am
I hope you are right. Fascinating how they characterise this as “fear”, when there entire monstrous and frankly racist “fight them over there/smoking mushroom cloud” policy is utterly driven by fear.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:58 amRemember, Newt Gringrich is a failed politician who has been resurrected by Rupert Murdoch to infotain the American public. As such he resorts to inflammatory rhetoric and bogus polemics. His use of “insurgents” is frightening as he is describing what is in essence American voters! To me Newt Gringrich is the Leon Trotsky of our bodypolitik! Ask your Republican friends this time around if they are willing to put their party above our country and our political values that have eroded very quickly since 911. Fear and loathing is no way to ruin a democratically free society. Vote the Rascals out in ‘06 and ‘08! -Kevo
August 6th, 2006 at 10:59 amthe bush/chene strategy is strengthening Al Queda — if we don’t stop these idiots soon, the problem will only ge worse.
latest news is that Egyptian militants are joining Al Queda.. now there is a line that stretches from southeast asia to northen africa… all helped along by bush/cheney’s failed theories on how to fight the war on terror.
it’s time to start fighting the smart fight… and time to get these inexperienced clowns out of office before it’s too late.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:59 amGingrich has no real knowledge of what real Democracy is or what it used to mean to be an American. For him to cast Americans as insurgents shows he doesn’t care a damn for America. He is willing to cast those who disagree in a supposed Democracy as terrorists and insurgents. This is UnAmerican and criminal. The wingnuts are truly desperate. This is the only consolation. It is now time to call them on statements like this..loud and clear. He is willing to severe our country in two( to an even greater degree) to keep his slimy hands on power. They are truly and evil and bad bunch…..they have to go before our country forgets what a unified Democratic America is really all about.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:59 amOne more thing about Gingrich’s statement:
There is a small and shrinking minority in this country who feel Iraq is worth it, and that staying there is the right thing to do. So it’s important to keep in mind that he’s preaching to the converted, and his words ring pretty hollow to the vast majority of people due simply to the facts on the ground.
“Cut and Run” talking points are not terribly effective anymore, and are getting less so all the time.
If I were GOP material, I’d be worried about the events in Connecticut, too.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:59 amHow dangerous are the terrorists? How dangerous are the dictatorships? And what does America have to do in that kind of a dangerous world?
Gingrich is like: Blah, blah, blah…
August 6th, 2006 at 11:01 amand I am like: zzzzzzzzzz
Good point Jonathan. Their ( the right’s) time is essentially over.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:01 amNewt only approves of the democratic process when it’s used to elect a Republican.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:02 am#16, Roger,
Your description of “rats leaving a sinking ship” is relevent, accept that Republicans were out of power so long, that the core base is made up of people who worked very hard to regain power. I believe your reference to rats is more applicable to those who bailed from Democrats after 1994.
Since Newt is a brilliant strategist, it is no surprise that he is keenly interested in the outcome of the Democratic primary and subsequent general election, and their affects on the Democratic Party’s future. Both he and Bill Crystal laid out the different permutations moving forward, and their possible affects, and discussed what it means to American domestic and foreign policy. It was one of the more interesting discussions I’ve watched on FNS lately.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:05 amIf Newt were a “great stratagist,” wouldn’t he still be in office?
August 6th, 2006 at 11:06 am#28, Juan,
Good morning. Joe Biden agreed with Newt’s assessment of current events in the middle east, and they both defined future debate: stay or go. There is no way his comments could be considered boring, whether you agree or not.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:09 am#32, southwest bob,
Too funny, you are using the Bill Clinton yardstick of success. Clinton held his office, but caused his party to lose all three branches of the federal government. Gingrich lost his office, but helped his party claim all three branches of the federal government.
Democrats know nothing of personal sacrifice for the cause, which is ultimately why they won’t ever make it back to power.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:12 amSwitzerland doesn’t seem to be having any problems with terrorists flying planes into their buildings. Perhaps Newt should consider the Keeping-Your-Big-Fat-Mouth-Shut-Neutrality approach to national defense.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:15 amYour description of “rats leaving a sinking ship†is relevent, accept that Republicans were out of power so long, that the core base is made up of people who worked very hard to regain power. I believe your reference to rats is more applicable to those who bailed from Democrats after 1994. - Jason
That could be. I agree that those who worked so hard to regain power won’t just walk away. But they can’t escape the fact that their policies have failed. The Middle East is a mess, the nation is drowning in foreign debt, the planet is warming and they’re doing nothing about it, and gas prices are through the roof while Exxon makes $79,000 per minute. There’s only so much spin you can do before you look like an utter buffoon - even to the trailer trash who are glued to the FOX news channel.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:16 amHe is willing to severe our country in two( to an even greater degree) to keep his slimy hands on power. They are truly and evil and bad bunch…..they have to go before our country forgets what a unified Democratic America is really all about.
Comment by s — August 6, 2006 @ 10:59 am
It is quite incredible that these kind of statements don’t result in utter political destruction. The US political system is so moribund, that here we see one mandarin defending another, even though ostensibly they are from different political parties.
The democrats have got the change for the US to have real democracy again, and massive reform of the current logjam wouldn’t be a bad idea either.
The US seems to be suffering from a sort of political constipation, no matter how hard you strain, you can’t evacuate the accumulated waste of decades. Thats going to end with a very nasty anal fissure … it’s going to sting, but I suspect it’ll be worth it in the end:-)
August 6th, 2006 at 11:16 amNewt’s “Contract on America” was the insurgent moment of our history. Just look where he and his corrupt brethern have taken us in such a short period of time. Anything happening in CT is the result of people trying to take back the country from the Republikan’s bloodless coup. Lieberman is the Republican candidate in this Democratic primary.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:20 am#35, unbee,
Switzerland benefits from its location and history as Europe’s banker, so it has been able to enjoy neutrality and maintain it.
#36, Roger,
You discuss talking points that have absolutely NO affect on the Republican base. Those points barely budged Busby’s numbers in CA-50, so don’t hold your breath in the general elections this November. Your talking points only have an affect in Democratic primaries. Don’t get me wrong, I would much prefer an honest race between leftist Democrats, than Raum Emanuel’s chameleon technique of saying whatever, then doing whatever.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:21 amThis just in! FOX News is reporting that elevated levels of testosterone have shown up in Ned Lamont’s “B” sample.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:22 amThere is no way his comments could be considered boring, whether you agree or not.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 6, 2006 @ 11:09 am
Hi, Jason. Good morning. Have to run, but his words are a desperate attempt to make people decide out of fear. Thats the typical paranoia propaganda needed to engage more and more war-like events. THere is not a dangeorus world out there, Jason. I bet you have traveled at some extent, havent you? Have you seen really a dangeorous world? People want to live in peace, thats why you have to come up with illusory threats like Saddam, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Russians, chinese, UFO´s etc, in order to keep the war machine going. Maybe if US stop financing cruel dictators and terrorists organizations…you know.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:23 am#38, chris,
Excellent point, which is why I don’t think Newt was using the term “insurgent” in a derogatroy fashion, and since Kermit referred to his efforts as “Crashing the Gate”, why are you libs taking such offense to the term?
August 6th, 2006 at 11:23 am#36, Roger,
You discuss talking points that have absolutely NO affect on the Republican base.
Indeed, the republican base are irrational in the extreme, trying to appeal to logic will not help. However, it is likely to split away a proportion of thinking moderate republicans, enough hopefully to wrest power back, they must be truly horrified by the excesses of the right at this stage.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:25 amBroadcast
MEDIA BRAINWASH update
It has been a week since I have raised a concern if this web site is a Media BRAINWASH outlet.
My concern is based on the observations that there is a bias behind the selection of articles and their presentation.
This was not counter argued. Thus, we have a consensus –
The ThinkProgress web site is biased.
Most of the responses I have had were of a kind – “Ah, whatever…â€
OK.
Then one reacting this way does not care if one’s opinion and mind is being fair or is being clouded and biased. May your own honesty be your own concern.
One being honest with oneself could be honest with the others.
Except:
The legal system, as you know, will not work unless there is a consensus on the part of dominant majority that a Law must be abided.
By the same token:
Democracy will not work unless honesty (among many other qualities) is being practiced.
There is no doubt, as of today the World is divided into societies that are following democracy and those societies that do not value democracy.
This divide makes a huge difference in what is going on within those societies in terms of economy, politics, culture etc.
The problem I am attempting to address is this:
Though societies that value democracy have achieved many benefits, developing and improving of understanding of what democracy could provide is a never ending path. The benefits for economy, politics, culture etc will follow as our understanding and practicing of democracy is developed further and improved.
Biased thinking comes before biased outlook.
Biased thinking creates intolerance of opinions.
Biased thinking divides people.
Biased thinking is a soil where political extremism grows.
Anybody is willing to stand up for biased opinions?
Anybody is willing to stand up for political extremism?
I know some people can not pronounce Bush. These people pronounce Bu-Bush instead. That’s OK. Every one is entitled to have deficiencies.
Though, the size of the crowd that has become nothing but political extremism due to this phonetic deficiency 6 years in making is amazing.
Since the times when MEDIA BRAINWASH was invented many things changed. One thing stays the same – media is only a tool. It only matters what media is being used for.
Media could be used for education; search for what is true; form public consensus and unity.
Media could be used for a BRAINWASH to impose and enforce one’s opinion on the others, divide people, promote intolerance and extremism.
What are YOU doing?
Thanks for reading.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:26 amYou discuss talking points that have absolutely NO affect on the Republican base.
Yes, talking points (or as I call them in this case ‘reality’) more often than not have little to no effect on the GOP base. On this we can agree.
Don’t get me wrong, I would much prefer an honest race between leftist Democrats, than Raum Emanuel’s chameleon technique of saying whatever, then doing whatever.
Well, believe whatever you want. You would anyway. Regardlss, I’d rather be right and lose (knowing that I had this nation’s best interests in mind) than climb on Newt’s brainless bandwagon of deluded idiots while it rides off a cliff and takes the rest of the nation with it.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:27 amWhat F*CKING EVER!!It is a good thing that the primary is on Tuesday. “Insurgency”? What in the hell is his damage? If Lamont does win in the primary, it is still a Democratic candidate running for the U.S. Senate. Only the name has changed. So Newt should pull his panties out of his butt, and stop implying that Connecticut voters are intent on ‘waging war’, if Lamont should win the Primary, instead of Lieberman. But why does Newt want Lieberman to win so badly? Joe is a Democrat, after all, isn’t he? Why is Newt supporting a Democrat and attempting to use fear to manipulate the people of Connecticut. They wouldn’t want anyone to think they had ANY similarity to those scary “Insurgents”, no siree! So they might be better off NOT voting for Lamont, because people might get the ‘wrong idea’. And that is what Newt is hoping will happen. But on such short ‘notice’ it will be harder to do. Gads, what WON”T they do? No need to answer…
August 6th, 2006 at 11:29 amYes, talking points (or as I call them in this case ‘reality’)
LOL … excellent:-)
August 6th, 2006 at 11:29 am#46, Roger,
Great, then currently, we are both very happy.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:29 am#46, Cyra,
You must have your information second hand - go watch that portion of the episode of FNS and get back to us.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:30 am#34…. Let’s see Newt wanted to be president…Clinton was president. While you might want to blame Clinton for all the ills of the world, the fact is that the GOP sold it’s soul to the religious right and big business to regain power. While sucessful, let’s just see how long they can hold on to their power. For a party to completely destroy our military readiness and bankrupt the country in just five years is quite a nice achievement. Let’s see if Americans will continue to reward them for it.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:31 amSee Republicans like Gingrich admit that Lieberman is one of them! There is NO insurgency in CT, just a backlash against phony Joe who is a Bush ass kisser and GOP agent! Shame on any Democrat who helps Lieberman!
August 6th, 2006 at 11:32 amSee Republicans like Gingrich admit that Lieberman is one of them!
Comment by Jay Randal — August 6, 2006 @ 11:32 am
Exactly and then slip in that disgraceful and duplicitous use of the word “insurgent”. They are a nasty lot, no doubt about it. Can the US stand another 2 years of this …. I don’t know.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:35 amK
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of the dailyKermit, titled his book “Crashing the Gate”, so the term “insurgent” was first used by one of the liberal bloggers themselves! Why are you upset to be referred to a term you used yourselves?
August 6th, 2006 at 11:37 amGreat, then currently, we are both very happy.
‘Currently’ being the key word here.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:37 am#50, sw bob,
Newt wanted to enact a certain set of policies, and ran for the presidency to achieve those policies. He lost in the primary, but many of his policies have been moved forward.
Clinton just wanted to be president, and couldn’t have cared less what policies were instituted. NAFTA, GATT, welfare reform, etc were all counter to the Democratic base’s desires. How do you see that as a victory?
August 6th, 2006 at 11:40 am#55, Roger,
Currently, indeed. Now the question is, will the Democratic Party’s pull to the left going to help or hurt them in their efforts to regain power.
It didn’t help Busby in CA-50.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:41 amYes Brian > I am glad that Newt has finally admitted that Joe works for the GOP, so now every Democrat in CT must vote for Lamont on Tuesday! Time to knock the stuffing out of Lieberman!
August 6th, 2006 at 11:43 amThis Repug war on terror….is really a war on the world….anyone that doesn’t do their bidding…and that includes the US citizen…why else do they need to spy on us….now, he calls those that disagree insurgents….hope that doesn’t include turning the guns on the blue in the US….
August 6th, 2006 at 11:43 amSwitzerland benefits from its location and history as Europe’s banker, so it has been able to enjoy neutrality and maintain it.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 6, 2006 @ 11:21 am
Nonsense. Switzerland has no enemies because it minds its own business, doesn’t fund angry guerrilla terrorists who later come back to bite the iron fist that fed it, doesn’t take sides, doesn’t meddle in other countries foreign affairs and doesn’t travel like a hoarde of arrogant pigs.
You sow what you reap. They’ve sowed peace and in return have gotten peace. We’ve sowed violence, and in return have grown violence.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:44 amBut why does Newt want Lieberman to win so badly? Joe is a Democrat, after all, isn’t he?
Comment by Cyra Brown — August 6, 2006 @ 11:29 am
If I were Lieberman I’d ask him to stop. Newt’s endorsement is the Kiss of Death for any Democrat.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:46 amFor a party to completely destroy our military readiness and bankrupt the country in just five years is quite a nice achievement. Let’s see if Americans will continue to reward them for it.
Comment by Southwest Bob — August 6, 2006 @ 11:31 am
That it has gone on so long continues to amaze me. Maybe this the beginning of the end? People will appreciate what the had in Clinton, and what they could have had in Gore and the fatal error of allowing the republicans such control of the levers of power.
Even the religous bigots that make up a chunk of GOP base couldn’t be so daft as to continue to support the GOP. After the scandals, the immorality and how badly they have been short changed and used by the administration?
Mind you who else can they support? The conundrum of the most limited political menu on the planet …. bread sticks or steak tartar? :-)
August 6th, 2006 at 11:47 am#60, unbee,
Um, as Europe’s banker, if they are attacked, ALL of Europe will defend them. History has served Switzerland well.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:47 amIt didn’t help Busby in CA-50. - Jason
Dissatisfied, Independent Swing Voters Stayed Home or Voted for Third Parties
As usual, it’s not as simple as the GOP echo chamber would have us believe.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:48 amThe latest US policy in Iraq has reportedly been shifted to now “preventing civil war”. Just how many times can the mission be shifted Mr. Fat-Faced Adulterer.
Why don’t you lead a battalion into Fallujah you doughy assed neo-con-artist fascist in waiting?
-GSD
August 6th, 2006 at 11:50 amIf Lieberman is massively defeated by Lamont on Tuesday, then Democrats like Biden and Hillary might wake to hell up, then demand an end to the Iraq war! Plus a Joe defeat tells the GOP that Dem voters have figured out who are the GOP agents masquerading as Democrats!
August 6th, 2006 at 11:50 am#55…. Good points. . . about nothing. The fact is that under the current GOP administation and congress, the USA is a disaster. Is Newt willing to take responsibliy for it? That’s what the upcoming elections are all about. While it’s nice to look back on the GREAT things Newt did for the GOP, the fact is that their policies have bankrupted the country and created more hatred for America than at any other time in our history. We have a party in control that cares more for where their next dollar is coming from than helping Americans. Americans have figured out that the GOP is nothing more than self serving and fear mongering prostitutes.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:51 amThere is one insurgent in Connecticut and he claims to be a Democratic Senator.
-GSD
August 6th, 2006 at 11:51 amJason, why don’t you tell us in what ‘fashion’ Newt was using the term “Insurgent”?
August 6th, 2006 at 11:52 am#49- I’m gonna pass on that. Repetition of garbage is not going to make it not be garbage. But feel free to indulge yourself all you want.
Um, as Europe’s banker, if they are attacked, ALL of Europe will defend them. History has served Switzerland well.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 6, 2006 @ 11:47 am
Again, they’ve managed to grow peace. They did it. Not circumstances or blind luck. They chose to be productive and mind their own business.
But if you can’t accept Switzerland as a peaceful product of its peaceful labors, then look at Sweden. Not much different there. They pretty much mind their own business too. No planes into buildings there either.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:52 amNewt is a failure, who now talks out of both sides of his ass. One minute, he is calling Bush’s policies failed, another he is calling Americans who have had enough of Bushboy and his friend Lieberman Insurgent terrorists. I call these people who are recognizing their loss of freedoms and loss of benefits who want Lieberman OUT what they truly are, patriotic participants in a Democratic society who are tierd of Dictators in Rethuglican clothing. I applaud their desire to oust Lieberman, who has failed his constituents in Connecticut by voting with Bush on almost everything. Out with the traitors!!
August 6th, 2006 at 11:57 am#70, unbee,
It’s easy to be neutral, when everyone has a vital stake in your security. Switzerland doesn’t need national defense, because they hold the assets of most of Europes governments and powerful private citizens.
If all of Europe followed Switzerland’s lead, then nations outside of Europe would move in a reap the wealth of Europe. Just because one nation has fenagled its way to neutrality through being the world’s banker, doesn’t mean it is a model that any other nation could manage, nor afford.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:58 am#42 Jason
I hadn’t read Kermit’s comment, for one. I take such offense at anything that charlatain says, to be quite honest… especially if I find myself agreeing with him at times ;)
I don’t know what the “right direction” is for our country, but anyone who actually has to work for a living can plainly see we’re headed in the wrong one. We need to work together for solutions and it’s just not happening.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:58 amI think Newtie baby ought to stick to his many, many women, and leave politics to we grownups.
But then, the Republicans have long since left us democrats in the “women” dust, including the present crop in Washington, D.C. When I think of how far Newtie baby went to try to bring down Clinton, who obviously was experiencing marital problems, I marvel over how the press ignored his own many, many female sallies and never said a mumblin’ word about hypocrisy.
Walk the plank, Newtie baby. You are no longer listened to.
Frank Halse
August 6th, 2006 at 11:59 amCyra - “repetition of garbage is not going to make it not be garbage” that is the best line I have read in a long while. Good call!
August 6th, 2006 at 11:59 amLet’s take a slice of today’s headlines to see how successful the GOP’s policies in the Middle East have been:
Hezbollah launches deadliest single rocket attack
Iraq rape-slaying hearing for U.S. soldiers begins
Al-Zawahiri: Egyptian militant group joins al Qaeda
Defiant Iran says it plans to expand nuclear activities
Oh, yeah. Let’s stick with the GOP this November. They’re obviously the ones who should be guiding US policy.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:02 pmHowever Sweden restricts Christianity.
That proves the left sympathizes with Islamo-Fascism.
Comment by Emperor Palpatine — August 6, 2006 @ 11:57 am
Umm .. live here? Total crap … just for the record.
Sweden is certainly secular, and slaps any drooling supernatural freaks down if they step out of line, regardless of affiliation.
However, they are welcome to beleive what ever nonsense they like as long as it doesn’t intrude on other peoples lives, disturb the peace or result in abuse.
You guys could learn a thing or two.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:03 pmAnd is Newt saying that the troops are a part of his imaginary “insurgency”, and saying that they are saying that they want to “come home and hide”? He is willing to imply that our troops are COWARDS, all in the name of politics. Nice way to ‘Support the Troops, Newt. I’m sure they appreciate it. Lowlife Booger Eater!
August 6th, 2006 at 12:03 pmIt’s easy to be neutral, when everyone has a vital stake in your security. Switzerland doesn’t need national defense, because they hold the assets of most of Europes governments and powerful private citizens.
Even if that were the plan, then it’s brilliant. It’s also not copyrighted so that they are the only ones allowed to do such a thing…
But they’ve always been neutral. And, maybe not outright - but so have a lot of other ‘first world’ countries who aren’t being attacked either.
But, you’re missing my point, as usual. My point is that we’ve been a violent nation, and in return, we’re getting violence. The utter lack of personal accountability in that from the far right is only exaserbating the situation.
If all of Europe followed Switzerland’s lead, then nations outside of Europe would move in a reap the wealth of Europe. Just because one nation has fenagled its way to neutrality through being the world’s banker, doesn’t mean it is a model that any other nation could manage, nor afford.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 6, 2006 @ 11:58 am
I guess you’ve never heard of teh Grand Caymans? They’ve done a pretty good immitation act, and well, you do know they are a dot on the gobe don’t you?
Funny how you completely dodged my references to Sweden. Guess you can’t spin that one, eh?
August 6th, 2006 at 12:04 pm#76- Jules- Why, thank you very much! That was nice of you to say. :)
August 6th, 2006 at 12:07 pmNewt had something to do with the Reichwingnut take over of our government didn’t he? Maybe that is the reason he defends the failed policies of the Reighwingnuts and this evil empire driven by the drunken AWOL coward and his sidekick shooter Cheney the five deferment coward. Your plan is not working Newt.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:07 pmCan some one please send Newt a Memo: Things are getting worse. We have no business being there anyway. No amount of tax cuts will change the fact that outside of the iron triangle, the war is a loser.
Never mind. Newt is in the iron triangle, so he probably already has taht memo.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:11 pmBut, you’re missing my point, as usual. My point is that we’ve been a violent nation, and in return, we’re getting violence. The utter lack of personal accountability in that from the far right is only exaserbating the situation.
It’s absolutely clear. The US was involved in the middle east from day one. They got attacked, then Spain and the UK, directly as a result of their involvement in Iraq.
This is not to say that all of these attacks are not heinous crimes, just to put them in context, in some kind of casual relationship to everything else that is going on.
Violence begets violence, peace unhappily does not always beget peace … at first. However, if you are the stronger party, by orders of magnitude, then you have to have the courage to take the occasional sucker punch. To reacte violently to every attack is to give every nutjob with a rock and a greivance a perpetual veto on peace.
The Irish North/South conflict is the best example in recent memory of how a vastly more powerful nation, can, with resolve and restraint defuse terrorism. This kind of complex stuff is lost on Bush though. You’ll need someone else to sort this mess out.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:12 pmThe ‘War Party’ is worried because Lieberman gave it a veneer of ‘Bipartisanship’ (I won’t even mention Hillary).
August 6th, 2006 at 12:13 pmThat’s what worries them- the whole debacle may be blamed on them.
If I lived in CT, as a democrat, I would be so pissed that someone as smarmy as Gingrich were supporting a candidate in my party that I would automatically go for Lamont.
Hopefully the citizens of CT will be just as outraged.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:13 pmI, for one, welcome the insurgency as it’s members are true Americans, not neo-con criminals. What problem do these people have with the Democratic process? Do they think that we’re too stupid to know our own minds and vote accordingly? Screw them and the elephant they rode in on. Go Ned!
August 6th, 2006 at 12:16 pmThis is what the above trolls support: Though I don’t think they have any EMPATHY whatsoever - KILL KILL KILL, that is their mantra.
Cease Fire Now!
This video is dedicated to the children who have lost their lives because The US, UK and Israel have willingly stopped a ceasefire resulting in the deaths of many civilians in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank.
7 Minute Video
- Warning -
This video contains images depicting the reality and horror of war and should only be viewed by a mature audience.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:20 pmHow about the REAL STORY IN CT: THE FACT THAT LIEBERMAN’S EMBARRASSING LOSS IS ALSO A LOSS FOR HILLARY?
At least the Washington Post has picked up on the fact that GORE IS THE DEMS MOST VIABLE CANDIDATE IN ‘08. HE CAN WIN AND HE SPEAKS HIS CONVICTION AND THE TRUTH. HILLARY DOES NOT.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:24 pmI would be ecstatic to go my whole life without ever having to see and hear the “analysis” of the enormous hog head, Newt.
It doesn’t offer much in the way of insight, but it made me feel better.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:25 pmWTF, Newt? Don’t you have a sick wife to leave?
Repubs must be getting desperate…
August 6th, 2006 at 12:26 pmWhat a stream of excellent comments! Remember Newt is the most heavily fined Congressman in history for ethics violations. So much for his “ethics” eh?
Now we get to the “cut and run” vs “stay and die” in Iraq debate. The two choices left to us by our Chimperator the Decider.
Just remember we went to Iraq so Bush could gain power, and make some $$ for his buddies, and nothing else. They had an election coming in ‘04 and needed a war to help the GOP keep power. Rove even wrote about how he could use war as a positive political tool. Well Karl it kinda backfired on you, and 100,000 dead people, and for the people that have not died yet for Bush’s re-election.
I think the real problem in Iraq is the fact that our country’s leadership is so incredibly stupie that thier incompetence has created this disaster, when any reasonably intelligent 4th grader could do a better job running the war, and the rebuilding from the beginning. Either they are too corrupt, or too stupid, or both. What a shame.
Since Bush’s bungling, we really have one option, after being lied into this nightmare war. The only option that was left to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan also. Go bankrupt, or leave. They just waited until they were bankrupt. I bet the Chimperator doesn’t get it. By the way it will take hundreds of billions more to rebuild our military into any sort of readiness. Better get Duke Cunningham, and his friends to help them with the contracts folks.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:26 pmYou’ll need someone else to sort this mess out.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 6, 2006 @ 12:12 pm
Agreed. It’s taking a while, but the sheep seem to be coming around. When a minimum wage grocery store clerk (who is a grown adult with children) in a southern red state says that Bush was in with the Saudis who attacked us on 9/11 and she’s mad about it, I believe there is hope.
Otherwise V for Vendetta will be a historic movie and not just a fictional warning.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:26 pmIf voting your will in a democratic country is considered insurgency then we are all insurgents. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Nice to see that Jason Hendler is defending the Fascist position, ever the vigilante defender of one party rule. I would be ashamed and embarrassed if I had to defend what his party has done to America. Bill Clinton lied about a blow job and it was the republicans that ran up the 70 million tab to impeach him. George Bush lied about Iraq and has cost the country civil liberites, 2500 lives of US soldiers and God only knows how many civilians have died in the following mayhem. Whatever one thinks of Saddam, at least Iraq was not sinking into all out civil war. Bush will go down in history as the worst President ever to soil the office. Bush is a liar and will always be one.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:27 pmoff topic, but this is incredible!
Bush didn’t know there were two sects of Islam : Former Ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith is claiming President George W. Bush was unaware that there were two major sects of Islam just two months before the President ordered troops to invade Iraq
August 6th, 2006 at 12:28 pmGORE IS THE DEMS MOST VIABLE CANDIDATE IN ‘08. HE CAN WIN AND HE SPEAKS HIS CONVICTION AND THE TRUTH. HILLARY DOES NOT.
Comment by BRIAN MAYER — August 6, 2006 @ 12:24 pm
If most of us got our wish, it would be a Gore / Feingold ticket in 2008. I just don’t know if Gore would run again.
As much as I would love to see a woman President, Hillary is not the right person for the job. Too many people would be willing to vote against her. And she’s been supporting too many conservative issues that most of us do not favor. We need someone we can vote for… In every online poll I’ve seen, that person would be Al Gore by a long shot.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:30 pm#95 - madashell,
GWB doesn’t like to think about sects.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:31 pmThere is such a thing as morality in politics and the repubs have abandoned every thread of it. It will catch up to them in November and 08′.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:37 pmPresident George W. Bush was unaware that there were two major sects of Islam just two months before the President ordered troops to invade Iraq
Comment by madashell — August 6, 2006 @ 12:28 pm
“Wow! Brazil is big.”
August 6th, 2006 at 12:38 pm— George W. Bush after being shown a map of Brazil by Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula
#7
Democrats better be ready for this s**t: this is ALL THEY HAVE.
We’ll be Swift-boated, called traitors, weak, cowards.
Hello? DNC, DLC, Dems everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Flamethrower — August 6, 2006 @ 10:25 am
To that I say “Bring it on” because you can’t trust Republicans to tell the truth.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:38 pmAfter untold hours scouring the bric-a-brac of inane blather from all “sides, this has got to be the most succinct, articulate, and objective comment I’ve stumbled across. Well said, well said indeed. Bravo!
“Violence begets violence, peace unhappily does not always beget peace … at first. However, if you are the stronger party, by orders of magnitude, then you have to have the courage to take the occasional sucker punch. To reacte violently to every attack is to give every nutjob with a rock and a greivance a perpetual veto on peace.”
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 6, 2006 @ 12:12 pm
August 6th, 2006 at 12:39 pmGWB doesn’t like to think about sects.
Comment by Zooey — August 6, 2006 @ 12:31 pm
Hee hee!
I saw in the grocery store today that one of the really bad tabloids is talking about the Bush Divorce… I don’t think it gets much worse than that for your ’sects’ life…
August 6th, 2006 at 12:40 pmmadashell, allow me to respond–before your post and mine are erased….
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I have just one thing to say - I get my posts deleted because I make reference to 9/11. Yet, you let this asshat Darien spew his crap post after post. WTF?
Comment by madashell — August 6, 2006 @ 12:00 pm
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yes, and i get banned for making comments about the usa support of israel’s sick crime family, whilst they allow this palpatine to spew his sickness all day and all night long… and, the woman from darien gets to post over 100 comments on the jackie mason thread shouting that anyone who hates leiberman is an anti-semite!
it shows you EXACTLY what the think progress master agenda is, doesn’t it????
August 6th, 2006 at 12:41 pmthey are part and parcel of aipac and the special interest groups. 9.11 truth scares them because they are too frightened to lose support from their special interests. the war crimes of israel are also a taboo subject since this site must get quite a bit of funding from pro-zionist/aipac related people.
So dumpkoft Newt is once again speaking bullsh*t to the public and he wants to run for president. He’s pathetic. It times for Newt to do what he does best, start cheating on his wife with a new girlfriend.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:41 pmWhy do Republicans hate democracy in America?
August 6th, 2006 at 12:42 pmAbout Switzerland, Mr. Hendler. Unbelievable is right: They do mind their own business, often to the displeasure of their neighbours, when it comes to lossening the banking rules for instance.
Moreover: Switzerland is a Democracy! Democratic in a way, that would give the Democracy-Exporting-Republicans screaming nightmares. What would have happened, if the Swiss administration had asked for authorization of the Iraq war on grounds as shaky as they have been. There would have been a referendum. And even if this referendum would have authorized going to war, all subsequent measures, like raising money, would have to be put before another referendum. See, they have to ask their citizens, and listen to them. The current administration does not qualify as democratic at the high standards, the Swiss know.
Americans have their midterm elections soon. They don’t have the possibility of a referendum in between. Therefore their votes are so very important this time. If there is to be change, if the administration is to be held accountable for all the death an destruction, Americans have to vote for the Lamonts and not for the Liebermans. Gingrich’s words tell me: The Republicans are so very afraid. And believe me it feels good, even over here in Switzerland.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:43 pm#92 — It’s all about how the choice is framed. . . and the GOP has done a better job of framing issues (albeit - many false choices) than the DEMs. Using “Cut & Run” has been effective because of the connotation of cowardice associated with “Cut & Run.” However, if you frame it differently, for example,
August 6th, 2006 at 12:45 pmThis is just how out of touch the republicans have become.
We aren’t saying it is hard, frightening, painful and we want to hide.
We are saying that it’s so wrong, it’s so stupid, it’s so expensive, that why can’t we come home and do the right thing?
August 6th, 2006 at 12:46 pmCan Republicans fix Iraq? They broke it.. They are still lying about it. Everything they do is for political reasons to hold onto power by any means possible. What is good for the American People has never mattered to them. Flag burning (to divide us), gay marriage (to wake up their mouth breathers), immigration (to divide us) and so on is what (Republican controled) congress has been up to. Politics, politics, politics. Never once doing anything to solve our nations REAL PROBLEMS.
NO INVESTIGATIONS.
The do nothing no accountability GOP controlled congress. Only there to divide us more, and make us weaker with every bill they introduce, and action they take. I hope enough Americans wake up to turn out to vote in November.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:47 pmI love his use of the word “insurgency” to imply that anyone who is against Bush’s policy is morally equivalent to Iraqi Insurgents. Goebbels would be proud of you Newt.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:48 pm#105 Coffins; They hate us for our freedoms. Remember, free speech zones only.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:49 pmAbout Switzerland, Mr. Hendler. Unbelievable is right: They do mind their own business, often to the displeasure of their neighbours, when it comes to lossening the banking rules for instance.
Also on the subject, the EU have being getting annoyed about the issue of so much wealth being held untaxed in Switzerland. We are talking billions and billions of € annually lost to EU tax departments.
Note they didn’t attack, invade, or summarily bomb the shit out of them? No, there have been long and difficult negotiations over several years. Learn the lesson.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:50 pm“which is people who say this is so hard, it is so frightening, it’s so painful, can’t we come home and hide? ”
Kinda like the cowardly republicans who say this is so hard, it’s so frightening, it’s so painful, can we surrender our rights and hide?
August 6th, 2006 at 12:50 pmIf opposing this bush regime illegal, preemptive, costly war makes me an insurgent then so be it. Newt thinks sounding outrageous is courageous. He’s not dumb, but he certainly is misguided. I really hope that the CT voters will show Old Joe the door and make way for the new democratic order that will have the courage and intellect to unseat the criminal regime that is currently in power.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:51 pmRemember the Fox generals drooling over images of “Shock n’ awe” and how proud they were while Iraqi babies were being blown to blackened bits. Well, someone had to pay for 9/11, so why not somebody our president disliked. Why not teeny, peeny Iraq! Joe Lieberman is still obviously drooling over that very prospect, while “tough” chickenhawks embolden him to do so and support him. Iraq is a republican war. It’s not an American conflict any more, it’s now a republican war. If 40% support it, I would guess that is about the percentage of the republican base with egg on their face. I feel that the sons and daughters of America are presently bleeding and dying for the republican party. My son’s been to Iraq twice and Afghanistan once, and I won’t forget the fear of losing him and I can’t imagine the grief of those who have lost loved ones. God bless John Murtha and blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be re-elected. You got any kids over there, Newt?
August 6th, 2006 at 12:53 pmIt’s funny to see the democrats “swifboating” one of their own for not being enough of a moonbat liberal. Hopefully this country is smart enough to not put a party that is in meltdown and incresingly becoming controlled by the far looney socialist left.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:54 pmBefore Mighty Moron come on to spew her shitload of venom, I’ll demand that she/he/it put up or shut up. C’mon mighty moron, own up to the fact that you were bullshitting orprovide your proof that
August 6th, 2006 at 12:55 pm#116
He’s not one of our own.Pay attention.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:57 pmNewt is right: “It’s a dangerous world out there.” His solution to the problem: “Blow up the world. No more world, no more problems.”
I now understand why Bin Laden types have not attempted any more 9/11s. With people who “think” like Newt running this country, more 9/11s would be redundant.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:58 pmGiven their track record of dealing with “insurgants” then the republicans should be quite scared indeed of the coming anti-Iraq/anti-NeoCon insurgants. You see when you stir up a bunch of people in their home land they become “insurgants” which is a whole lot like stiring up a bunch of bees from their home. Some body will have some serious pain to look forwards to. SOME of these people need to be going to prison. They can call it politics, but what they have done with Iraq given Osama still working freely and the 911 problem STILL not addressed (hell WWII didnt take this long) then I and many others would call it criminal.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:58 pmTo: I hate liberals
What exactly is a moonbat liberal? Will you please define this phrase for us?
Thank you in advance
August 6th, 2006 at 1:00 pmIt’s funny to see the democrats “swifboating†one of their own for not being enough of a moonbat liberal. Hopefully this country is smart enough to not put a party that is in meltdown and incresingly becoming controlled by the far looney socialist left.
Comment by I Hate Liberals
Stop projecting… You are going down and we all know it.
REPUBLICANS swift boat… because REPUBLICANS are habitual liars.
PROGRESSVIES demand the truth and demand the leaders stand up for whats right for the country rather than the cronies of the current white house. Calling Leiberman a Iraq war supporter is the TRUTH not swift boating. Swift Boating is just a fancy term for a mass coordinated lie.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:01 pmI saw the segment this morning. Fortunately, Sen Biden (on remote) quickly took issue with Newt’s “come home and hide” characterization and did not allow it to stand.
The most telling point of the exchange was Gingrich’s use of the word “insurgency” to describe dissenting Democrats in Connecticutt. He’s not the first to use that word. Apparently, “he got the memo“. :-/
August 6th, 2006 at 1:02 pm#12 skinnyfreak
Short and to the point–just the way I prefer it.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:04 pmAlso on the subject, the EU have being getting annoyed about the issue of so much wealth being held untaxed in Switzerland. We are talking billions and billions of € annually lost to EU tax departments.
Thanks, that utterly erodes JMH’s argument that Europe is Switzerland’s military. Because it doesn’t stop EU countries from attacking them…
Note they didn’t attack, invade, or summarily bomb the shit out of them? No, there have been long and difficult negotiations over several years. Learn the lesson.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 6, 2006 @ 12:50 pm
I don’t think that option registers with the neocons. They really think we live in a kill or be killed global society. What a painful and pointless existence they must have.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:05 pmNewt’s choice of terminology is both telling and frightening.
An insurgent is defined by Wiki as one that “engages in regular or guerrilla combat against the armed forces of the established regime“. It is clear by his choice of the label ‘insurgent’ that Newt views the Republicans as the established regime and those who look to revoke that power as beneath contempt and possibly outside the law (as they see it).
I guess this whole ‘Democracy/free election’ thing really is a thorn in the side of the Repugs… once elected, they view any attempt to remove them from power as an assault on America from within.
That should frighten those of us who are paying attention.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:06 pmI want to ask Newt a question that makes just about as much sense as his statement (and a tip of the hats to today’s Doonsebury):
Mr. Gingrich, do you prefer killing young adult citizens of the US in Iraq or in New Orleans? I am sure i can draw some lines of relationship and connection between the two, undoubtedly better than you have done connecting voters in CT with citizens of Iraq.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:07 pmSometimes I like Biden.Not often,though.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:11 pmMedia Matters pointed out the other day that Washington Post columnist David Broder used the term “insurgents” to describe Democrats opposing the war in a recent column.
We are witnessing the birth of another NeoCon meme here, folks. Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh and O’Reilley will be regurgitating it all next week. Just watch!
August 6th, 2006 at 1:13 pmArmen
“There is such a thing as morality in politics and the repubs have abandoned every thread of it. It will catch up to them in November and 08′.”
Exactly.
Because, Republican are going to win Presidency and extend their base in both chambers of Congress.
For exactly the reason you’ve mentioned - the absence of any sense of morality on the part of the left currently presented by dems.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:13 pmI’ve said it before and I say it again…I don’t know why any thinking person would give the time of day to Newt Gingrich, who has been thoroughly discredited as introducing into politics such abusive, inflammatory language (ala Lee Atwater) in the early nineties whgich persists to this day.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:14 pm#121-look in the mirror.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:14 pm#121 like most liberal nutjobs you are delusional. you are not the heroes and defenders of freedom you say you are . you are socialist slime who seek to cahnage this society to suit your perverted and sick ideals. you would not know the truth if it hit you in the face. You are also delusional enough to think that majority of Americans agree with your agenda to turn this country into a third world socialist shithole.
I will give the dysfunctional Republican bastards this: they do things effectively in stages. Newt says “legitimate” insurgents so he won’t be slapped down hard when people hear him referring to dissenting Americans( in a supposed Democracy) as insurgents. If he can get us to swallow his phrase “legitimate insurgents” , replacing “Americans participating in Democracy”, he’s successfully established a step. Then once Americans think of dissenters as insurgents, he’s won. Guess what fatty boy. No takers. People who disagree with this disaster of a party you belong to, Grinchy, are not insurgents…not legitimate insurgents, kind insurgents, bad insurgents or any other kind of insurgents. They are Americans and you and your kind, fat ass, are not going to frame your way to holding on to power. People are on to you. You are dishonest, manipulative, and incompetent. Democracy is happening in Connecticut….not a “legitimate insurgency” Get it?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:14 pm#116: Please use terms that you really understand even if you can’t spell those terms correctly. That will enable you to use them in the right context and will help people understand what you are talking about. “Swifboating†(sic) is the tactic of using lies and propaganda to create an alternative reality through unrelenting and endless repetition on the MSM. Where did you see lies and propaganda in the CT issue?
The issue in CT is not throwing out one Democrat for another. We are trying to get the better American elected. Anybody who continues to support this illegal “war†in Iraq and the continued murder of innocent men, women and children is an anti-American. You do remember what America used to stand for, don’t you?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:15 pmThe issue in CT is not throwing out one Democrat for another.
The issue in CT is that liberals won’t support Liebmerman because he’s jewish and they can’t stand his support of Israel.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:17 pmNeuter Newt!
August 6th, 2006 at 1:17 pmOf course the warmongers don’t hide. They are proud of wasting human lives (as long as there are financial gains for them), they are proud of wasting $ billions (as long as there are financial gains for them).
The perverts call it “neocon values”.
Thanks, that utterly erodes JMH’s argument that Europe is Switzerland’s military. Because it doesn’t stop EU countries from attacking them…
It’s been my experience that when JMH pontificates on a subject I’m familiar with, it’s part fact, but also part fiction. Where I’ve researched posts of his I’ve found convincing it’s been the same.
The stuff he posts sounds plausible, especially if you are unfamiliar with the topic or the source he’s referencing. Take it with a pinch of salt, he’s not generally an out and out liar, but he is a serial right wing spinner, and he’s actually rather good at it.
Bottom line? He has an agenda, and he plays loose with the facts to promote it.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:17 pmThe issue in CT is that liberals won’t support Liebmerman because he’s jewish and they can’t stand his support of Israel.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
Yeah thats it. Can you leave us alone now?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:18 pm#125
Good point,Unbelievable.
It’s the tiny- fish -eaten- by- the- bigger -fish,eaten -by- the- biggest- fish- kind -of -world I think they’re most comfortable with.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:20 pmThat should frighten those of us who are paying attention.
Comment by Buford
It should frighten the republicans more. When you try telling a people they are illigit in their own home land … well look what George Washington did… DONT TREAD ON ME. or you will get bit.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:20 pmFOR THE LOVE OF GOD WOULD SOMEONE WITH ACCESS TO NEWSTATIONS PLEASE BRING A PIC OF RUMMY SHAKING HANDS WITH SADDAM HUSSIEN ONTO THE TV SHOW AND ASK THE NICE TELEVISION PEOPLE “IF THERE WASNT SOMETHING OUT THERE WORSE THAN SADDAM WHY DID WE USED TO SELL HIM WEAPONS AND BE HIS FRIEND EVEN WHEN HE WAS AT HIS PEAK OF BRUTALITY?”
Let me tell you, I am stunned, simply stunned on a daily basis that more public figures who are advocating withdrawl arent bringing up exactly what sort of people we are helping out by staying there : Islamic fanatics influenced by Iran. People dont realize how powerful that picture of SAddam Hussien and Rummy is… if you showed it to this Newt joker and told him.. “lets talk about this picture for a moment.. what exactly is it that we were afraid of that made us ally ourselves with mr evil Saddam?… gee.. could it have been….THE SPREAD OF IRANIAN STYLE ISLAMIC THEOCRACY?”…
hmmmm.
it amazes me how many of the neo-nut-biblehumping douchbags are advocating for a position that benefits no one but Islamic fundamentalists in Iran… our red white and blue boys are being turned decidedly more red than white or blue, all so we can make Iraq a fertile ground for Iranian style govt.. (at best.. or regionally destabilizing civil war at worst). Can some democratic politician please please explain that to the world.. Im not always on Dean’s page, but I do give him credit for calling the Iraq