Gingrich: There Is An ‘Insurgency’ in CT Which Says ‘Can’t We Come Home And Hide?’
Gingrich: There Is An ‘Insurgency’ in CT Which Says ‘Can’t We Come Home And Hide?’
This morning on Fox News, Newt Gingrich claimed there is a “legitimate insurgency in Connecticut, which needs to be met head on,” made up of people who say Iraq “is so hard, it is so frightening, it’s so painful, can’t we come home and hide?” Gingrich said that if the “insurgency” wins, “it will be the beginning of extraordinarily important period in American politics, and in American history.” Watch it:
Full transcript:
Third, you have what I think is a legitimate insurgency in Connecticut, which needs to be met head on and debated head on, which is people who say this is so hard, it is so frightening, it’s so painful, can’t we come home and hide? And I think if Lamont wins next Tuesday, it will be the beginning of extraordinarily important period in American politics, and in American history. For all of us to have this debate. How dangerous are the terrorists? How dangerous are the dictatorships? And what does America have to do in that kind of a dangerous world?
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No longer "traitors" for asking legitimate questions, we are now describing Americans as insurgents? That seems to move beyond shrill name calling to a more serious accusation. Is this "insurgency" to be crushed by tanks as well.....? A frightening prospect in a country that is led by a group whose only response to an enemy is brute, physical violence.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:13 am"Insurgency" in CT?? If that's how little newt would like to call it, at least he should acknowledge by reasoning that the majority of Americans are not insurgents?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:19 amI have no problem with these guys going to the wall for Bush's policies...they'll be joining Bush on the scrap pile soon enough.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:19 amcorrections to preview post it's *NOW instead of *not :P
August 6th, 2006 at 10:20 amFor all his big talk, Newt and the rest of the GOP are scared. They've tried to paint anyone who questions Bush's 'plan' in Iraq as cut and runners. But the polls show more and more Americans want to see the American troops home, and very soon.
They'll be pulling out the big guns and sharpening their talking points in the next few months. But I don't think it will matter. The nation is sick of war and death. And that's all the Bush administration and the GOP have brought the nation and the world. No matter how many times you appear on FOX 'News' you can't spin that fact.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:21 am"How dangerous are the terrorists? How dangerous are the dictatorships? And what does America have to do in that kind of a dangerous world?"
Ask yourself that question Newt because you are the terrorist, supporting a dictatorship.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:23 amDemocrats better be ready for this s**t: this is ALL THEY HAVE.
We'll be Swift-boated, called traitors, weak, cowards.
Hello? DNC, DLC, Dems everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 6th, 2006 at 10:25 amNewtie has been drinking his own kool aid. What's happening in Ct is democracy. Since Newtie has never been a supporter of democracy, he feels compelled to attack it, where ever it shows.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:26 ammy daughter and i watched V for Vendetta last night - first time for me... she said, as it started, "now remember, mom, it is fiction"... i kept laughing all through it - "no, sweetie, it's all real..."
gawd, i hate what these people have done to US.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:28 amIt's an odd statement. Notice he says it is a "legitimate" insurgency, and that there is a debate that really needs to be had about the war on terror. I don't think anyone here would disagree that we are long overdue for some genuine debate about the so-called war on terror. But the also throws out the tired strawman that the "insurgents" (who by the way represent the views of a majority of Americans) want to run and hide from terrorist threats, as if our choices are either stay the course or run and hide.
He is truly a wanker, but his wankery is quite shrewd and calculated: He look reasonable and open to debate, and then casts that debate in terms of a false dichotomy.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:30 amThis is the GOP effort to cast a Lamont win as a victory for insurgency and thus, a win for terrorists. If the Dems throw out a solid war supporter on Tuesday is is bad news for other war supporters. A Lamont victory could be a tipping point for other voters to realize that it time to toss out supporters of a failed presidental policy and get back to taking care of issues affecting them.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:30 amChickenhawk Newtie likes to talk tough when other people are dying for his freedom to vomit the GOP talking points.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:31 amYes, it's the period in history where the American voters kick the scumbag repugnacans back into the swamp they slithered out of.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:32 amNewt "Goering" Newt Gingrich, same thing, all these Bozo's no how to do is capatilize on fear and smear. Inciting the masses with now our own citizens are terrorist, these people have no shame and do not have any bounds.
Scary, were we are going in this once great nation. Newt and his kind are all to willing to shead our young men and women's blood in the name of protecting our freedom's squander, rape and pillage our treasury and drag this country down to a point where it will be impossible for us to rise from the ash heap that they are creating.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:32 amI hope all of you took the time to watch the entire the interview of Newt Gingrich before you commented, because he is one of the greatest political historians and stratagists alive today.
Kermit, of the dailyKermit, pens a book titled "Crashing the Gate", and now you object to the title of "insurgent". You are self proclaimed insurgents of the Democratic Party and politics in general. I truly thought you would be flattered to be mentioned at all, considering how poorly that book sold.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:33 amYes, Newt is a brilliant 'stratagist.' But, like Karl Rove, that doesn't make what he says right, or makes his actions, goals and methods any less nefarious and bad for the nation.
The reality is that as soon as the GOP starts to lose all the little rats how climbed onto their ship will desert them. We're Americans - we don't like losers. Much of the GOP's power comes from the little nothings who repeat what they say in hopes that they'll appear big. The GOP gave many people in this nation a personality and common goals (albeit wrong-headed and warped on both counts.) But if they start losing to the people they've been demonizing all the little nothing will slink back into the aybss.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:41 amI think the real question is "How dangerous is Newt Gingrich?"
August 6th, 2006 at 10:41 amoh so now those who disagree with their governments actions as evidenced via who they support in an election are insurgents? WE are the government - if we don't like what they're doing then damn it we have the right to get rid of them so we can change course.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:48 amIMO there's something of desperation in the Newt's new talking point. The whole phony-baloney 'we're tough on national security' bit is all the GOP has. If the nation regains it's senses and starts to actually think about the situation they're sunk.
Can you imagine the outrage from the conservative if a liberal or democrat spoke about a GOP primary this way?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:53 amNewt's toadie Lieberman is getting his ass kicked to the curb in CT, and all he can come up with is "insurgents". How clever, but Newt always was the smarmy clever type.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:54 amHis Contract on America is over. The neocon nightmare is on its way to being over. The American people are waking up from this nightmare. He should be afraid enough to start smearing the democratic process. No more fear! We're going to do what's right, and that is depart Iraq ASAP, don't care what Newt and the toadies call it, or us.
We patriots say "This war is plain wrong for America and always has been. period."
Newt and the other Neo Cons out there wish we we're saying "it's so hard and so dangerous can't we go hide!"
This is nothing more than Republican wishful thinking -- just like Vietnam they point the finger at others so they can hide from their failed theories on nation-building and pre-emptive military hegemony
August 6th, 2006 at 10:55 amWhat a freakin' moron.
Gingrich, like the rest of the GOP establishment, is terrified of the fallout of a Lamont win. The conventional wisdom after such an event will be "support of the war and of George Bush is political poison". It will embolden Democrats and panic Republicans.
No wonder Gingrich is trying so hard to marginalize Lamont before the primary is run. It's all smoke and mirrors designed to keep Dems in line. And it's not going to work.
Jason,
I do hope you're not relying on Drudge for your sales figures for "Crashing the Gate". If so, well, you're pretty much a self-evident fool, as Glen Reynolds pointed out clear back in April:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/04/anatomy-of-thought-process-of-bush.html
As far as Gingrich's words, you're either (again) a fool or being deliberately obtuse. It's pretty clear that his use of the term "insurgency" is intended to evoke images of traitors. You know it, and we know it. So who do you think you're fooling?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:56 amHe should be afraid enough to start smearing the democratic process. No more fear! We’re going to do what’s right, and that is depart Iraq ASAP, don’t care what Newt and the toadies call it, or us.
Comment by RUCerious — August 6, 2006 @ 10:54 am
I hope you are right. Fascinating how they characterise this as "fear", when there entire monstrous and frankly racist "fight them over there/smoking mushroom cloud" policy is utterly driven by fear.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:58 amRemember, Newt Gringrich is a failed politician who has been resurrected by Rupert Murdoch to infotain the American public. As such he resorts to inflammatory rhetoric and bogus polemics. His use of "insurgents" is frightening as he is describing what is in essence American voters! To me Newt Gringrich is the Leon Trotsky of our bodypolitik! Ask your Republican friends this time around if they are willing to put their party above our country and our political values that have eroded very quickly since 911. Fear and loathing is no way to ruin a democratically free society. Vote the Rascals out in '06 and '08! -Kevo
August 6th, 2006 at 10:59 amthe bush/chene strategy is strengthening Al Queda -- if we don't stop these idiots soon, the problem will only ge worse.
latest news is that Egyptian militants are joining Al Queda.. now there is a line that stretches from southeast asia to northen africa... all helped along by bush/cheney's failed theories on how to fight the war on terror.
it's time to start fighting the smart fight... and time to get these inexperienced clowns out of office before it's too late.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:59 amGingrich has no real knowledge of what real Democracy is or what it used to mean to be an American. For him to cast Americans as insurgents shows he doesn't care a damn for America. He is willing to cast those who disagree in a supposed Democracy as terrorists and insurgents. This is UnAmerican and criminal. The wingnuts are truly desperate. This is the only consolation. It is now time to call them on statements like this..loud and clear. He is willing to severe our country in two( to an even greater degree) to keep his slimy hands on power. They are truly and evil and bad bunch.....they have to go before our country forgets what a unified Democratic America is really all about.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:59 amOne more thing about Gingrich's statement:
There is a small and shrinking minority in this country who feel Iraq is worth it, and that staying there is the right thing to do. So it's important to keep in mind that he's preaching to the converted, and his words ring pretty hollow to the vast majority of people due simply to the facts on the ground.
"Cut and Run" talking points are not terribly effective anymore, and are getting less so all the time.
If I were GOP material, I'd be worried about the events in Connecticut, too.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:59 amHow dangerous are the terrorists? How dangerous are the dictatorships? And what does America have to do in that kind of a dangerous world?
Gingrich is like: Blah, blah, blah...
August 6th, 2006 at 11:01 amand I am like: zzzzzzzzzz
Good point Jonathan. Their ( the right's) time is essentially over.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:01 amNewt only approves of the democratic process when it's used to elect a Republican.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:02 am#16, Roger,
Your description of "rats leaving a sinking ship" is relevent, accept that Republicans were out of power so long, that the core base is made up of people who worked very hard to regain power. I believe your reference to rats is more applicable to those who bailed from Democrats after 1994.
Since Newt is a brilliant strategist, it is no surprise that he is keenly interested in the outcome of the Democratic primary and subsequent general election, and their affects on the Democratic Party's future. Both he and Bill Crystal laid out the different permutations moving forward, and their possible affects, and discussed what it means to American domestic and foreign policy. It was one of the more interesting discussions I've watched on FNS lately.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:05 amIf Newt were a "great stratagist," wouldn't he still be in office?
August 6th, 2006 at 11:06 am#28, Juan,
Good morning. Joe Biden agreed with Newt's assessment of current events in the middle east, and they both defined future debate: stay or go. There is no way his comments could be considered boring, whether you agree or not.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:09 am#32, southwest bob,
Too funny, you are using the Bill Clinton yardstick of success. Clinton held his office, but caused his party to lose all three branches of the federal government. Gingrich lost his office, but helped his party claim all three branches of the federal government.
Democrats know nothing of personal sacrifice for the cause, which is ultimately why they won't ever make it back to power.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:12 amSwitzerland doesn't seem to be having any problems with terrorists flying planes into their buildings. Perhaps Newt should consider the Keeping-Your-Big-Fat-Mouth-Shut-Neutrality approach to national defense.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:15 amYour description of “rats leaving a sinking ship†is relevent, accept that Republicans were out of power so long, that the core base is made up of people who worked very hard to regain power. I believe your reference to rats is more applicable to those who bailed from Democrats after 1994. - Jason
That could be. I agree that those who worked so hard to regain power won't just walk away. But they can't escape the fact that their policies have failed. The Middle East is a mess, the nation is drowning in foreign debt, the planet is warming and they're doing nothing about it, and gas prices are through the roof while Exxon makes $79,000 per minute. There's only so much spin you can do before you look like an utter buffoon - even to the trailer trash who are glued to the FOX news channel.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:16 amHe is willing to severe our country in two( to an even greater degree) to keep his slimy hands on power. They are truly and evil and bad bunch…..they have to go before our country forgets what a unified Democratic America is really all about.
Comment by s — August 6, 2006 @ 10:59 am
It is quite incredible that these kind of statements don't result in utter political destruction. The US political system is so moribund, that here we see one mandarin defending another, even though ostensibly they are from different political parties.
The democrats have got the change for the US to have real democracy again, and massive reform of the current logjam wouldn't be a bad idea either.
The US seems to be suffering from a sort of political constipation, no matter how hard you strain, you can’t evacuate the accumulated waste of decades. Thats going to end with a very nasty anal fissure ... it’s going to sting, but I suspect it'll be worth it in the end:-)
August 6th, 2006 at 11:16 amNewt's "Contract on America" was the insurgent moment of our history. Just look where he and his corrupt brethern have taken us in such a short period of time. Anything happening in CT is the result of people trying to take back the country from the Republikan's bloodless coup. Lieberman is the Republican candidate in this Democratic primary.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:20 am#35, unbee,
Switzerland benefits from its location and history as Europe's banker, so it has been able to enjoy neutrality and maintain it.
#36, Roger,
You discuss talking points that have absolutely NO affect on the Republican base. Those points barely budged Busby's numbers in CA-50, so don't hold your breath in the general elections this November. Your talking points only have an affect in Democratic primaries. Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer an honest race between leftist Democrats, than Raum Emanuel's chameleon technique of saying whatever, then doing whatever.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:21 amThis just in! FOX News is reporting that elevated levels of testosterone have shown up in Ned Lamont's "B" sample.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:22 amThere is no way his comments could be considered boring, whether you agree or not.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 6, 2006 @ 11:09 am
Hi, Jason. Good morning. Have to run, but his words are a desperate attempt to make people decide out of fear. Thats the typical paranoia propaganda needed to engage more and more war-like events. THere is not a dangeorus world out there, Jason. I bet you have traveled at some extent, havent you? Have you seen really a dangeorous world? People want to live in peace, thats why you have to come up with illusory threats like Saddam, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Russians, chinese, UFO´s etc, in order to keep the war machine going. Maybe if US stop financing cruel dictators and terrorists organizations...you know.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:23 am#38, chris,
Excellent point, which is why I don't think Newt was using the term "insurgent" in a derogatroy fashion, and since Kermit referred to his efforts as "Crashing the Gate", why are you libs taking such offense to the term?
August 6th, 2006 at 11:23 am#36, Roger,
You discuss talking points that have absolutely NO affect on the Republican base.
Indeed, the republican base are irrational in the extreme, trying to appeal to logic will not help. However, it is likely to split away a proportion of thinking moderate republicans, enough hopefully to wrest power back, they must be truly horrified by the excesses of the right at this stage.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:25 amBroadcast
MEDIA BRAINWASH update
It has been a week since I have raised a concern if this web site is a Media BRAINWASH outlet.
My concern is based on the observations that there is a bias behind the selection of articles and their presentation.
This was not counter argued. Thus, we have a consensus –
The ThinkProgress web site is biased.
Most of the responses I have had were of a kind – “Ah, whatever…â€
OK.
Then one reacting this way does not care if one’s opinion and mind is being fair or is being clouded and biased. May your own honesty be your own concern.
One being honest with oneself could be honest with the others.
Except:
The legal system, as you know, will not work unless there is a consensus on the part of dominant majority that a Law must be abided.
By the same token:
Democracy will not work unless honesty (among many other qualities) is being practiced.
There is no doubt, as of today the World is divided into societies that are following democracy and those societies that do not value democracy.
This divide makes a huge difference in what is going on within those societies in terms of economy, politics, culture etc.
The problem I am attempting to address is this:
Though societies that value democracy have achieved many benefits, developing and improving of understanding of what democracy could provide is a never ending path. The benefits for economy, politics, culture etc will follow as our understanding and practicing of democracy is developed further and improved.
Biased thinking comes before biased outlook.
Biased thinking creates intolerance of opinions.
Biased thinking divides people.
Biased thinking is a soil where political extremism grows.
Anybody is willing to stand up for biased opinions?
Anybody is willing to stand up for political extremism?
I know some people can not pronounce Bush. These people pronounce Bu-Bush instead. That’s OK. Every one is entitled to have deficiencies.
Though, the size of the crowd that has become nothing but political extremism due to this phonetic deficiency 6 years in making is amazing.
Since the times when MEDIA BRAINWASH was invented many things changed. One thing stays the same – media is only a tool. It only matters what media is being used for.
Media could be used for education; search for what is true; form public consensus and unity.
Media could be used for a BRAINWASH to impose and enforce one’s opinion on the others, divide people, promote intolerance and extremism.
What are YOU doing?
Thanks for reading.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:26 amYou discuss talking points that have absolutely NO affect on the Republican base.
Yes, talking points (or as I call them in this case 'reality') more often than not have little to no effect on the GOP base. On this we can agree.
Don’t get me wrong, I would much prefer an honest race between leftist Democrats, than Raum Emanuel’s chameleon technique of saying whatever, then doing whatever.
Well, believe whatever you want. You would anyway. Regardlss, I'd rather be right and lose (knowing that I had this nation's best interests in mind) than climb on Newt's brainless bandwagon of deluded idiots while it rides off a cliff and takes the rest of the nation with it.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:27 amWhat F*CKING EVER!!It is a good thing that the primary is on Tuesday. "Insurgency"? What in the hell is his damage? If Lamont does win in the primary, it is still a Democratic candidate running for the U.S. Senate. Only the name has changed. So Newt should pull his panties out of his butt, and stop implying that Connecticut voters are intent on 'waging war', if Lamont should win the Primary, instead of Lieberman. But why does Newt want Lieberman to win so badly? Joe is a Democrat, after all, isn't he? Why is Newt supporting a Democrat and attempting to use fear to manipulate the people of Connecticut. They wouldn't want anyone to think they had ANY similarity to those scary "Insurgents", no siree! So they might be better off NOT voting for Lamont, because people might get the 'wrong idea'. And that is what Newt is hoping will happen. But on such short 'notice' it will be harder to do. Gads, what WON"T they do? No need to answer...
August 6th, 2006 at 11:29 amYes, talking points (or as I call them in this case ‘reality’)
LOL ... excellent:-)
August 6th, 2006 at 11:29 am#46, Roger,
Great, then currently, we are both very happy.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:29 am#46, Cyra,
You must have your information second hand - go watch that portion of the episode of FNS and get back to us.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:30 am#34.... Let's see Newt wanted to be president...Clinton was president. While you might want to blame Clinton for all the ills of the world, the fact is that the GOP sold it's soul to the religious right and big business to regain power. While sucessful, let's just see how long they can hold on to their power. For a party to completely destroy our military readiness and bankrupt the country in just five years is quite a nice achievement. Let's see if Americans will continue to reward them for it.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:31 amSee Republicans like Gingrich admit that Lieberman is one of them! There is NO insurgency in CT, just a backlash against phony Joe who is a Bush ass kisser and GOP agent! Shame on any Democrat who helps Lieberman!
August 6th, 2006 at 11:32 amSee Republicans like Gingrich admit that Lieberman is one of them!
Comment by Jay Randal — August 6, 2006 @ 11:32 am
Exactly and then slip in that disgraceful and duplicitous use of the word "insurgent". They are a nasty lot, no doubt about it. Can the US stand another 2 years of this .... I don't know.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:35 amK
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of the dailyKermit, titled his book "Crashing the Gate", so the term "insurgent" was first used by one of the liberal bloggers themselves! Why are you upset to be referred to a term you used yourselves?
August 6th, 2006 at 11:37 amGreat, then currently, we are both very happy.
'Currently' being the key word here.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:37 am#50, sw bob,
Newt wanted to enact a certain set of policies, and ran for the presidency to achieve those policies. He lost in the primary, but many of his policies have been moved forward.
Clinton just wanted to be president, and couldn't have cared less what policies were instituted. NAFTA, GATT, welfare reform, etc were all counter to the Democratic base's desires. How do you see that as a victory?
August 6th, 2006 at 11:40 am#55, Roger,
Currently, indeed. Now the question is, will the Democratic Party's pull to the left going to help or hurt them in their efforts to regain power.
It didn't help Busby in CA-50.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:41 amYes Brian > I am glad that Newt has finally admitted that Joe works for the GOP, so now every Democrat in CT must vote for Lamont on Tuesday! Time to knock the stuffing out of Lieberman!
August 6th, 2006 at 11:43 amThis Repug war on terror....is really a war on the world....anyone that doesn't do their bidding...and that includes the US citizen...why else do they need to spy on us....now, he calls those that disagree insurgents....hope that doesn't include turning the guns on the blue in the US....
August 6th, 2006 at 11:43 amSwitzerland benefits from its location and history as Europe’s banker, so it has been able to enjoy neutrality and maintain it.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 6, 2006 @ 11:21 am
Nonsense. Switzerland has no enemies because it minds its own business, doesn't fund angry guerrilla terrorists who later come back to bite the iron fist that fed it, doesn't take sides, doesn't meddle in other countries foreign affairs and doesn't travel like a hoarde of arrogant pigs.
You sow what you reap. They've sowed peace and in return have gotten peace. We've sowed violence, and in return have grown violence.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:44 amBut why does Newt want Lieberman to win so badly? Joe is a Democrat, after all, isn’t he?
Comment by Cyra Brown — August 6, 2006 @ 11:29 am
If I were Lieberman I'd ask him to stop. Newt's endorsement is the Kiss of Death for any Democrat.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:46 amFor a party to completely destroy our military readiness and bankrupt the country in just five years is quite a nice achievement. Let’s see if Americans will continue to reward them for it.
Comment by Southwest Bob — August 6, 2006 @ 11:31 am
That it has gone on so long continues to amaze me. Maybe this the beginning of the end? People will appreciate what the had in Clinton, and what they could have had in Gore and the fatal error of allowing the republicans such control of the levers of power.
Even the religous bigots that make up a chunk of GOP base couldn't be so daft as to continue to support the GOP. After the scandals, the immorality and how badly they have been short changed and used by the administration?
Mind you who else can they support? The conundrum of the most limited political menu on the planet .... bread sticks or steak tartar? :-)
August 6th, 2006 at 11:47 am#60, unbee,
Um, as Europe's banker, if they are attacked, ALL of Europe will defend them. History has served Switzerland well.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:47 amIt didn’t help Busby in CA-50. - Jason
Dissatisfied, Independent Swing Voters Stayed Home or Voted for Third Parties
As usual, it's not as simple as the GOP echo chamber would have us believe.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:48 amThe latest US policy in Iraq has reportedly been shifted to now "preventing civil war". Just how many times can the mission be shifted Mr. Fat-Faced Adulterer.
Why don't you lead a battalion into Fallujah you doughy assed neo-con-artist fascist in waiting?
-GSD
August 6th, 2006 at 11:50 amIf Lieberman is massively defeated by Lamont on Tuesday, then Democrats like Biden and Hillary might wake to hell up, then demand an end to the Iraq war! Plus a Joe defeat tells the GOP that Dem voters have figured out who are the GOP agents masquerading as Democrats!
August 6th, 2006 at 11:50 am#55.... Good points. . . about nothing. The fact is that under the current GOP administation and congress, the USA is a disaster. Is Newt willing to take responsibliy for it? That's what the upcoming elections are all about. While it's nice to look back on the GREAT things Newt did for the GOP, the fact is that their policies have bankrupted the country and created more hatred for America than at any other time in our history. We have a party in control that cares more for where their next dollar is coming from than helping Americans. Americans have figured out that the GOP is nothing more than self serving and fear mongering prostitutes.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:51 amThere is one insurgent in Connecticut and he claims to be a Democratic Senator.
-GSD
August 6th, 2006 at 11:51 amJason, why don't you tell us in what 'fashion' Newt was using the term "Insurgent"?
August 6th, 2006 at 11:52 am#49- I'm gonna pass on that. Repetition of garbage is not going to make it not be garbage. But feel free to indulge yourself all you want.
Um, as Europe’s banker, if they are attacked, ALL of Europe will defend them. History has served Switzerland well.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 6, 2006 @ 11:47 am
Again, they've managed to grow peace. They did it. Not circumstances or blind luck. They chose to be productive and mind their own business.
But if you can't accept Switzerland as a peaceful product of its peaceful labors, then look at Sweden. Not much different there. They pretty much mind their own business too. No planes into buildings there either.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:52 amNewt is a failure, who now talks out of both sides of his ass. One minute, he is calling Bush's policies failed, another he is calling Americans who have had enough of Bushboy and his friend Lieberman Insurgent terrorists. I call these people who are recognizing their loss of freedoms and loss of benefits who want Lieberman OUT what they truly are, patriotic participants in a Democratic society who are tierd of Dictators in Rethuglican clothing. I applaud their desire to oust Lieberman, who has failed his constituents in Connecticut by voting with Bush on almost everything. Out with the traitors!!
August 6th, 2006 at 11:57 am#70, unbee,
It's easy to be neutral, when everyone has a vital stake in your security. Switzerland doesn't need national defense, because they hold the assets of most of Europes governments and powerful private citizens.
If all of Europe followed Switzerland's lead, then nations outside of Europe would move in a reap the wealth of Europe. Just because one nation has fenagled its way to neutrality through being the world's banker, doesn't mean it is a model that any other nation could manage, nor afford.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:58 am#42 Jason
I hadn't read Kermit's comment, for one. I take such offense at anything that charlatain says, to be quite honest... especially if I find myself agreeing with him at times ;)
I don't know what the "right direction" is for our country, but anyone who actually has to work for a living can plainly see we're headed in the wrong one. We need to work together for solutions and it's just not happening.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:58 amI think Newtie baby ought to stick to his many, many women, and leave politics to we grownups.
But then, the Republicans have long since left us democrats in the "women" dust, including the present crop in Washington, D.C. When I think of how far Newtie baby went to try to bring down Clinton, who obviously was experiencing marital problems, I marvel over how the press ignored his own many, many female sallies and never said a mumblin' word about hypocrisy.
Walk the plank, Newtie baby. You are no longer listened to.
Frank Halse
August 6th, 2006 at 11:59 amCyra - "repetition of garbage is not going to make it not be garbage" that is the best line I have read in a long while. Good call!
August 6th, 2006 at 11:59 amLet's take a slice of today's headlines to see how successful the GOP's policies in the Middle East have been:
Hezbollah launches deadliest single rocket attack
Iraq rape-slaying hearing for U.S. soldiers begins
Al-Zawahiri: Egyptian militant group joins al Qaeda
Defiant Iran says it plans to expand nuclear activities
Oh, yeah. Let's stick with the GOP this November. They're obviously the ones who should be guiding US policy.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:02 pmHowever Sweden restricts Christianity.
That proves the left sympathizes with Islamo-Fascism.
Comment by Emperor Palpatine — August 6, 2006 @ 11:57 am
Umm .. live here? Total crap ... just for the record.
Sweden is certainly secular, and slaps any drooling supernatural freaks down if they step out of line, regardless of affiliation.
However, they are welcome to beleive what ever nonsense they like as long as it doesn't intrude on other peoples lives, disturb the peace or result in abuse.
You guys could learn a thing or two.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:03 pmAnd is Newt saying that the troops are a part of his imaginary "insurgency", and saying that they are saying that they want to "come home and hide"? He is willing to imply that our troops are COWARDS, all in the name of politics. Nice way to 'Support the Troops, Newt. I'm sure they appreciate it. Lowlife Booger Eater!
August 6th, 2006 at 12:03 pmIt’s easy to be neutral, when everyone has a vital stake in your security. Switzerland doesn’t need national defense, because they hold the assets of most of Europes governments and powerful private citizens.
Even if that were the plan, then it's brilliant. It's also not copyrighted so that they are the only ones allowed to do such a thing...
But they've always been neutral. And, maybe not outright - but so have a lot of other 'first world' countries who aren't being attacked either.
But, you're missing my point, as usual. My point is that we've been a violent nation, and in return, we're getting violence. The utter lack of personal accountability in that from the far right is only exaserbating the situation.
If all of Europe followed Switzerland’s lead, then nations outside of Europe would move in a reap the wealth of Europe. Just because one nation has fenagled its way to neutrality through being the world’s banker, doesn’t mean it is a model that any other nation could manage, nor afford.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 6, 2006 @ 11:58 am
I guess you've never heard of teh Grand Caymans? They've done a pretty good immitation act, and well, you do know they are a dot on the gobe don't you?
Funny how you completely dodged my references to Sweden. Guess you can't spin that one, eh?
August 6th, 2006 at 12:04 pm#76- Jules- Why, thank you very much! That was nice of you to say. :)
August 6th, 2006 at 12:07 pmNewt had something to do with the Reichwingnut take over of our government didn't he? Maybe that is the reason he defends the failed policies of the Reighwingnuts and this evil empire driven by the drunken AWOL coward and his sidekick shooter Cheney the five deferment coward. Your plan is not working Newt.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:07 pmCan some one please send Newt a Memo: Things are getting worse. We have no business being there anyway. No amount of tax cuts will change the fact that outside of the iron triangle, the war is a loser.
Never mind. Newt is in the iron triangle, so he probably already has taht memo.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:11 pmBut, you’re missing my point, as usual. My point is that we’ve been a violent nation, and in return, we’re getting violence. The utter lack of personal accountability in that from the far right is only exaserbating the situation.
It's absolutely clear. The US was involved in the middle east from day one. They got attacked, then Spain and the UK, directly as a result of their involvement in Iraq.
This is not to say that all of these attacks are not heinous crimes, just to put them in context, in some kind of casual relationship to everything else that is going on.
Violence begets violence, peace unhappily does not always beget peace ... at first. However, if you are the stronger party, by orders of magnitude, then you have to have the courage to take the occasional sucker punch. To reacte violently to every attack is to give every nutjob with a rock and a greivance a perpetual veto on peace.
The Irish North/South conflict is the best example in recent memory of how a vastly more powerful nation, can, with resolve and restraint defuse terrorism. This kind of complex stuff is lost on Bush though. You'll need someone else to sort this mess out.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:12 pmThe 'War Party' is worried because Lieberman gave it a veneer of 'Bipartisanship' (I won't even mention Hillary).
August 6th, 2006 at 12:13 pmThat's what worries them- the whole debacle may be blamed on them.
If I lived in CT, as a democrat, I would be so pissed that someone as smarmy as Gingrich were supporting a candidate in my party that I would automatically go for Lamont.
Hopefully the citizens of CT will be just as outraged.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:13 pmI, for one, welcome the insurgency as it's members are true Americans, not neo-con criminals. What problem do these people have with the Democratic process? Do they think that we're too stupid to know our own minds and vote accordingly? Screw them and the elephant they rode in on. Go Ned!
August 6th, 2006 at 12:16 pmThis is what the above trolls support: Though I don't think they have any EMPATHY whatsoever - KILL KILL KILL, that is their mantra.
Cease Fire Now!
This video is dedicated to the children who have lost their lives because The US, UK and Israel have willingly stopped a ceasefire resulting in the deaths of many civilians in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank.
7 Minute Video
- Warning -
This video contains images depicting the reality and horror of war and should only be viewed by a mature audience.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:20 pmHow about the REAL STORY IN CT: THE FACT THAT LIEBERMAN’S EMBARRASSING LOSS IS ALSO A LOSS FOR HILLARY?
At least the Washington Post has picked up on the fact that GORE IS THE DEMS MOST VIABLE CANDIDATE IN ‘08. HE CAN WIN AND HE SPEAKS HIS CONVICTION AND THE TRUTH. HILLARY DOES NOT.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:24 pmI would be ecstatic to go my whole life without ever having to see and hear the "analysis" of the enormous hog head, Newt.
It doesn't offer much in the way of insight, but it made me feel better.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:25 pmWTF, Newt? Don't you have a sick wife to leave?
Repubs must be getting desperate...
August 6th, 2006 at 12:26 pmWhat a stream of excellent comments! Remember Newt is the most heavily fined Congressman in history for ethics violations. So much for his "ethics" eh?
Now we get to the "cut and run" vs "stay and die" in Iraq debate. The two choices left to us by our Chimperator the Decider.
Just remember we went to Iraq so Bush could gain power, and make some $$ for his buddies, and nothing else. They had an election coming in '04 and needed a war to help the GOP keep power. Rove even wrote about how he could use war as a positive political tool. Well Karl it kinda backfired on you, and 100,000 dead people, and for the people that have not died yet for Bush's re-election.
I think the real problem in Iraq is the fact that our country's leadership is so incredibly stupie that thier incompetence has created this disaster, when any reasonably intelligent 4th grader could do a better job running the war, and the rebuilding from the beginning. Either they are too corrupt, or too stupid, or both. What a shame.
Since Bush's bungling, we really have one option, after being lied into this nightmare war. The only option that was left to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan also. Go bankrupt, or leave. They just waited until they were bankrupt. I bet the Chimperator doesn't get it. By the way it will take hundreds of billions more to rebuild our military into any sort of readiness. Better get Duke Cunningham, and his friends to help them with the contracts folks.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:26 pmYou’ll need someone else to sort this mess out.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 6, 2006 @ 12:12 pm
Agreed. It's taking a while, but the sheep seem to be coming around. When a minimum wage grocery store clerk (who is a grown adult with children) in a southern red state says that Bush was in with the Saudis who attacked us on 9/11 and she's mad about it, I believe there is hope.
Otherwise V for Vendetta will be a historic movie and not just a fictional warning.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:26 pmIf voting your will in a democratic country is considered insurgency then we are all insurgents. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Nice to see that Jason Hendler is defending the Fascist position, ever the vigilante defender of one party rule. I would be ashamed and embarrassed if I had to defend what his party has done to America. Bill Clinton lied about a blow job and it was the republicans that ran up the 70 million tab to impeach him. George Bush lied about Iraq and has cost the country civil liberites, 2500 lives of US soldiers and God only knows how many civilians have died in the following mayhem. Whatever one thinks of Saddam, at least Iraq was not sinking into all out civil war. Bush will go down in history as the worst President ever to soil the office. Bush is a liar and will always be one.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:27 pmoff topic, but this is incredible!
Bush didn't know there were two sects of Islam : Former Ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith is claiming President George W. Bush was unaware that there were two major sects of Islam just two months before the President ordered troops to invade Iraq
August 6th, 2006 at 12:28 pmGORE IS THE DEMS MOST VIABLE CANDIDATE IN ‘08. HE CAN WIN AND HE SPEAKS HIS CONVICTION AND THE TRUTH. HILLARY DOES NOT.
Comment by BRIAN MAYER — August 6, 2006 @ 12:24 pm
If most of us got our wish, it would be a Gore / Feingold ticket in 2008. I just don't know if Gore would run again.
As much as I would love to see a woman President, Hillary is not the right person for the job. Too many people would be willing to vote against her. And she's been supporting too many conservative issues that most of us do not favor. We need someone we can vote for... In every online poll I've seen, that person would be Al Gore by a long shot.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:30 pm#95 - madashell,
GWB doesn't like to think about sects.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:31 pmThere is such a thing as morality in politics and the repubs have abandoned every thread of it. It will catch up to them in November and 08'.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:37 pmPresident George W. Bush was unaware that there were two major sects of Islam just two months before the President ordered troops to invade Iraq
Comment by madashell — August 6, 2006 @ 12:28 pm
"Wow! Brazil is big."
August 6th, 2006 at 12:38 pm--- George W. Bush after being shown a map of Brazil by Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula
#7
Democrats better be ready for this s**t: this is ALL THEY HAVE.
We’ll be Swift-boated, called traitors, weak, cowards.
Hello? DNC, DLC, Dems everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Flamethrower — August 6, 2006 @ 10:25 am
To that I say "Bring it on" because you can't trust Republicans to tell the truth.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:38 pmAfter untold hours scouring the bric-a-brac of inane blather from all "sides, this has got to be the most succinct, articulate, and objective comment I've stumbled across. Well said, well said indeed. Bravo!
"Violence begets violence, peace unhappily does not always beget peace … at first. However, if you are the stronger party, by orders of magnitude, then you have to have the courage to take the occasional sucker punch. To reacte violently to every attack is to give every nutjob with a rock and a greivance a perpetual veto on peace."
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 6, 2006 @ 12:12 pm
August 6th, 2006 at 12:39 pmGWB doesn’t like to think about sects.
Comment by Zooey — August 6, 2006 @ 12:31 pm
Hee hee!
I saw in the grocery store today that one of the really bad tabloids is talking about the Bush Divorce... I don't think it gets much worse than that for your 'sects' life...
August 6th, 2006 at 12:40 pmmadashell, allow me to respond--before your post and mine are erased....
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I have just one thing to say - I get my posts deleted because I make reference to 9/11. Yet, you let this asshat Darien spew his crap post after post. WTF?
Comment by madashell — August 6, 2006 @ 12:00 pm
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yes, and i get banned for making comments about the usa support of israel's sick crime family, whilst they allow this palpatine to spew his sickness all day and all night long... and, the woman from darien gets to post over 100 comments on the jackie mason thread shouting that anyone who hates leiberman is an anti-semite!
it shows you EXACTLY what the think progress master agenda is, doesn't it????
August 6th, 2006 at 12:41 pmthey are part and parcel of aipac and the special interest groups. 9.11 truth scares them because they are too frightened to lose support from their special interests. the war crimes of israel are also a taboo subject since this site must get quite a bit of funding from pro-zionist/aipac related people.
So dumpkoft Newt is once again speaking bullsh*t to the public and he wants to run for president. He's pathetic. It times for Newt to do what he does best, start cheating on his wife with a new girlfriend.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:41 pmWhy do Republicans hate democracy in America?
August 6th, 2006 at 12:42 pmAbout Switzerland, Mr. Hendler. Unbelievable is right: They do mind their own business, often to the displeasure of their neighbours, when it comes to lossening the banking rules for instance.
Moreover: Switzerland is a Democracy! Democratic in a way, that would give the Democracy-Exporting-Republicans screaming nightmares. What would have happened, if the Swiss administration had asked for authorization of the Iraq war on grounds as shaky as they have been. There would have been a referendum. And even if this referendum would have authorized going to war, all subsequent measures, like raising money, would have to be put before another referendum. See, they have to ask their citizens, and listen to them. The current administration does not qualify as democratic at the high standards, the Swiss know.
Americans have their midterm elections soon. They don't have the possibility of a referendum in between. Therefore their votes are so very important this time. If there is to be change, if the administration is to be held accountable for all the death an destruction, Americans have to vote for the Lamonts and not for the Liebermans. Gingrich's words tell me: The Republicans are so very afraid. And believe me it feels good, even over here in Switzerland.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:43 pm#92 --- It's all about how the choice is framed. . . and the GOP has done a better job of framing issues (albeit - many false choices) than the DEMs. Using "Cut & Run" has been effective because of the connotation of cowardice associated with "Cut & Run." However, if you frame it differently, for example,
August 6th, 2006 at 12:45 pm
This is just how out of touch the republicans have become.
We aren't saying it is hard, frightening, painful and we want to hide.
We are saying that it's so wrong, it's so stupid, it's so expensive, that why can't we come home and do the right thing?
August 6th, 2006 at 12:46 pmCan Republicans fix Iraq? They broke it.. They are still lying about it. Everything they do is for political reasons to hold onto power by any means possible. What is good for the American People has never mattered to them. Flag burning (to divide us), gay marriage (to wake up their mouth breathers), immigration (to divide us) and so on is what (Republican controled) congress has been up to. Politics, politics, politics. Never once doing anything to solve our nations REAL PROBLEMS.
NO INVESTIGATIONS.
The do nothing no accountability GOP controlled congress. Only there to divide us more, and make us weaker with every bill they introduce, and action they take. I hope enough Americans wake up to turn out to vote in November.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:47 pmI love his use of the word "insurgency" to imply that anyone who is against Bush's policy is morally equivalent to Iraqi Insurgents. Goebbels would be proud of you Newt.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:48 pm#105 Coffins; They hate us for our freedoms. Remember, free speech zones only.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
About Switzerland, Mr. Hendler. Unbelievable is right: They do mind their own business, often to the displeasure of their neighbours, when it comes to lossening the banking rules for instance.
Also on the subject, the EU have being getting annoyed about the issue of so much wealth being held untaxed in Switzerland. We are talking billions and billions of € annually lost to EU tax departments.
Note they didn't attack, invade, or summarily bomb the shit out of them? No, there have been long and difficult negotiations over several years. Learn the lesson.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:50 pm"which is people who say this is so hard, it is so frightening, it’s so painful, can’t we come home and hide? "
Kinda like the cowardly republicans who say this is so hard, it's so frightening, it's so painful, can we surrender our rights and hide?
August 6th, 2006 at 12:50 pmIf opposing this bush regime illegal, preemptive, costly war makes me an insurgent then so be it. Newt thinks sounding outrageous is courageous. He's not dumb, but he certainly is misguided. I really hope that the CT voters will show Old Joe the door and make way for the new democratic order that will have the courage and intellect to unseat the criminal regime that is currently in power.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:51 pmRemember the Fox generals drooling over images of "Shock n' awe" and how proud they were while Iraqi babies were being blown to blackened bits. Well, someone had to pay for 9/11, so why not somebody our president disliked. Why not teeny, peeny Iraq! Joe Lieberman is still obviously drooling over that very prospect, while "tough" chickenhawks embolden him to do so and support him. Iraq is a republican war. It's not an American conflict any more, it's now a republican war. If 40% support it, I would guess that is about the percentage of the republican base with egg on their face. I feel that the sons and daughters of America are presently bleeding and dying for the republican party. My son's been to Iraq twice and Afghanistan once, and I won't forget the fear of losing him and I can't imagine the grief of those who have lost loved ones. God bless John Murtha and blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be re-elected. You got any kids over there, Newt?
August 6th, 2006 at 12:53 pmIt's funny to see the democrats "swifboating" one of their own for not being enough of a moonbat liberal. Hopefully this country is smart enough to not put a party that is in meltdown and incresingly becoming controlled by the far looney socialist left.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:54 pmBefore Mighty Moron come on to spew her shitload of venom, I'll demand that she/he/it put up or shut up. C'mon mighty moron, own up to the fact that you were bullshitting orprovide your proof that
August 6th, 2006 at 12:55 pm
#116
He's not one of our own.Pay attention.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:57 pmNewt is right: "It's a dangerous world out there." His solution to the problem: "Blow up the world. No more world, no more problems."
I now understand why Bin Laden types have not attempted any more 9/11s. With people who "think" like Newt running this country, more 9/11s would be redundant.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:58 pmGiven their track record of dealing with "insurgants" then the republicans should be quite scared indeed of the coming anti-Iraq/anti-NeoCon insurgants. You see when you stir up a bunch of people in their home land they become "insurgants" which is a whole lot like stiring up a bunch of bees from their home. Some body will have some serious pain to look forwards to. SOME of these people need to be going to prison. They can call it politics, but what they have done with Iraq given Osama still working freely and the 911 problem STILL not addressed (hell WWII didnt take this long) then I and many others would call it criminal.
August 6th, 2006 at 12:58 pmTo: I hate liberals
What exactly is a moonbat liberal? Will you please define this phrase for us?
Thank you in advance
August 6th, 2006 at 1:00 pmIt’s funny to see the democrats “swifboating†one of their own for not being enough of a moonbat liberal. Hopefully this country is smart enough to not put a party that is in meltdown and incresingly becoming controlled by the far looney socialist left.
Comment by I Hate Liberals
Stop projecting... You are going down and we all know it.
REPUBLICANS swift boat... because REPUBLICANS are habitual liars.
PROGRESSVIES demand the truth and demand the leaders stand up for whats right for the country rather than the cronies of the current white house. Calling Leiberman a Iraq war supporter is the TRUTH not swift boating. Swift Boating is just a fancy term for a mass coordinated lie.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:01 pmI saw the segment this morning. Fortunately, Sen Biden (on remote) quickly took issue with Newt's "come home and hide" characterization and did not allow it to stand.
The most telling point of the exchange was Gingrich's use of the word "insurgency" to describe dissenting Democrats in Connecticutt. He's not the first to use that word. Apparently, "he got the memo". :-/
August 6th, 2006 at 1:02 pm#12 skinnyfreak
Short and to the point--just the way I prefer it.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:04 pmAlso on the subject, the EU have being getting annoyed about the issue of so much wealth being held untaxed in Switzerland. We are talking billions and billions of € annually lost to EU tax departments.
Thanks, that utterly erodes JMH's argument that Europe is Switzerland's military. Because it doesn't stop EU countries from attacking them...
Note they didn’t attack, invade, or summarily bomb the shit out of them? No, there have been long and difficult negotiations over several years. Learn the lesson.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 6, 2006 @ 12:50 pm
I don't think that option registers with the neocons. They really think we live in a kill or be killed global society. What a painful and pointless existence they must have.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:05 pmNewt's choice of terminology is both telling and frightening.
An insurgent is defined by Wiki as one that "engages in regular or guerrilla combat against the armed forces of the established regime". It is clear by his choice of the label 'insurgent' that Newt views the Republicans as the established regime and those who look to revoke that power as beneath contempt and possibly outside the law (as they see it).
I guess this whole 'Democracy/free election' thing really is a thorn in the side of the Repugs... once elected, they view any attempt to remove them from power as an assault on America from within.
That should frighten those of us who are paying attention.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:06 pmI want to ask Newt a question that makes just about as much sense as his statement (and a tip of the hats to today's Doonsebury):
Mr. Gingrich, do you prefer killing young adult citizens of the US in Iraq or in New Orleans? I am sure i can draw some lines of relationship and connection between the two, undoubtedly better than you have done connecting voters in CT with citizens of Iraq.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:07 pmSometimes I like Biden.Not often,though.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:11 pmMedia Matters pointed out the other day that Washington Post columnist David Broder used the term "insurgents" to describe Democrats opposing the war in a recent column.
We are witnessing the birth of another NeoCon meme here, folks. Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh and O'Reilley will be regurgitating it all next week. Just watch!
August 6th, 2006 at 1:13 pmArmen
"There is such a thing as morality in politics and the repubs have abandoned every thread of it. It will catch up to them in November and 08′."
Exactly.
Because, Republican are going to win Presidency and extend their base in both chambers of Congress.
For exactly the reason you've mentioned - the absence of any sense of morality on the part of the left currently presented by dems.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:13 pmI've said it before and I say it again...I don't know why any thinking person would give the time of day to Newt Gingrich, who has been thoroughly discredited as introducing into politics such abusive, inflammatory language (ala Lee Atwater) in the early nineties whgich persists to this day.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:14 pm#121-look in the mirror.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:14 pm#121 like most liberal nutjobs you are delusional. you are not the heroes and defenders of freedom you say you are . you are socialist slime who seek to cahnage this society to suit your perverted and sick ideals. you would not know the truth if it hit you in the face. You are also delusional enough to think that majority of Americans agree with your agenda to turn this country into a third world socialist shithole.
I will give the dysfunctional Republican bastards this: they do things effectively in stages. Newt says "legitimate" insurgents so he won't be slapped down hard when people hear him referring to dissenting Americans( in a supposed Democracy) as insurgents. If he can get us to swallow his phrase "legitimate insurgents" , replacing "Americans participating in Democracy", he's successfully established a step. Then once Americans think of dissenters as insurgents, he's won. Guess what fatty boy. No takers. People who disagree with this disaster of a party you belong to, Grinchy, are not insurgents...not legitimate insurgents, kind insurgents, bad insurgents or any other kind of insurgents. They are Americans and you and your kind, fat ass, are not going to frame your way to holding on to power. People are on to you. You are dishonest, manipulative, and incompetent. Democracy is happening in Connecticut....not a "legitimate insurgency" Get it?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:14 pm#116: Please use terms that you really understand even if you can’t spell those terms correctly. That will enable you to use them in the right context and will help people understand what you are talking about. “Swifboating†(sic) is the tactic of using lies and propaganda to create an alternative reality through unrelenting and endless repetition on the MSM. Where did you see lies and propaganda in the CT issue?
The issue in CT is not throwing out one Democrat for another. We are trying to get the better American elected. Anybody who continues to support this illegal “war†in Iraq and the continued murder of innocent men, women and children is an anti-American. You do remember what America used to stand for, don’t you?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:15 pmThe issue in CT is not throwing out one Democrat for another.
The issue in CT is that liberals won't support Liebmerman because he's jewish and they can't stand his support of Israel.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:17 pmNeuter Newt!
August 6th, 2006 at 1:17 pmOf course the warmongers don't hide. They are proud of wasting human lives (as long as there are financial gains for them), they are proud of wasting $ billions (as long as there are financial gains for them).
The perverts call it "neocon values".
Thanks, that utterly erodes JMH’s argument that Europe is Switzerland’s military. Because it doesn’t stop EU countries from attacking them…
It's been my experience that when JMH pontificates on a subject I'm familiar with, it's part fact, but also part fiction. Where I've researched posts of his I've found convincing it's been the same.
The stuff he posts sounds plausible, especially if you are unfamiliar with the topic or the source he's referencing. Take it with a pinch of salt, he's not generally an out and out liar, but he is a serial right wing spinner, and he's actually rather good at it.
Bottom line? He has an agenda, and he plays loose with the facts to promote it.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:17 pmThe issue in CT is that liberals won’t support Liebmerman because he’s jewish and they can’t stand his support of Israel.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
Yeah thats it. Can you leave us alone now?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:18 pm#125
Good point,Unbelievable.
It's the tiny- fish -eaten- by- the- bigger -fish,eaten -by- the- biggest- fish- kind -of -world I think they're most comfortable with.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:20 pmThat should frighten those of us who are paying attention.
Comment by Buford
It should frighten the republicans more. When you try telling a people they are illigit in their own home land ... well look what George Washington did... DONT TREAD ON ME. or you will get bit.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:20 pmFOR THE LOVE OF GOD WOULD SOMEONE WITH ACCESS TO NEWSTATIONS PLEASE BRING A PIC OF RUMMY SHAKING HANDS WITH SADDAM HUSSIEN ONTO THE TV SHOW AND ASK THE NICE TELEVISION PEOPLE "IF THERE WASNT SOMETHING OUT THERE WORSE THAN SADDAM WHY DID WE USED TO SELL HIM WEAPONS AND BE HIS FRIEND EVEN WHEN HE WAS AT HIS PEAK OF BRUTALITY?"
Let me tell you, I am stunned, simply stunned on a daily basis that more public figures who are advocating withdrawl arent bringing up exactly what sort of people we are helping out by staying there : Islamic fanatics influenced by Iran. People dont realize how powerful that picture of SAddam Hussien and Rummy is... if you showed it to this Newt joker and told him.. "lets talk about this picture for a moment.. what exactly is it that we were afraid of that made us ally ourselves with mr evil Saddam?... gee.. could it have been....THE SPREAD OF IRANIAN STYLE ISLAMIC THEOCRACY?"...
August 6th, 2006 at 1:22 pmhmmmm.
it amazes me how many of the neo-nut-biblehumping douchbags are advocating for a position that benefits no one but Islamic fundamentalists in Iran... our red white and blue boys are being turned decidedly more red than white or blue, all so we can make Iraq a fertile ground for Iranian style govt.. (at best.. or regionally destabilizing civil war at worst). Can some democratic politician please please explain that to the world.. Im not always on Dean's page, but I do give him credit for calling the Iraq prez an "anti-semite" the other day. Im no huge fan of ISrael BUT I think dems running down the current IRaq govt and saying "this is the trash our soliders died for, and your money is paying to support, all thanks to bush" would be a BRILLIANT strategy move.
On the subject
"...And I think if Lamont wins next Tuesday, it will be the beginning of extraordinarily important period in American politics, and in American history..."
Newt Gingrich
He is right.
Maybe he did not provide all the reasons and arguments to support the message, but the truth is - one could not argue that quoted above is not an accurate estimate.
Not even in this thread anybody argued against this point.
See, how excited many of you get going but to notice direction?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:22 pmTo: I hate liberals
Please tell me what a moonbat liberal is. I'm curious.
Thanks in advance. Again.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:23 pmSo little Newtie is back playing on the big playground.....after he left, hopes dashed, when Clinton's impeachment fell through, and after the "showdown and slowdown" of the government didn't win the people's approval. He's a jerk. If Hillary bothers at all to talk to him, she's a jerk, too. How much must the Scaife Foundation be paying to back up this little human robot?
We need a real.........Person.......in ....the White House.....not a puppet, not a puppetmaster, not a pseudo-person. Soon, I hope.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:24 pmGingrich, who among the american talibans, does not have anything to offer both in terms of historical perspective or as political wisdom. He is all about sound and fury. Sadly, the american is pre-occupied by Mel Gibson rather that then daily killing of men, women and childeren by the state of Israel. People like Bill Maher and Huffington offer Israel's right to self-defense as an justification for the carnage being perpetrated by the jewish state. When it comes to question of middle east, it seems the american left is fully allied with what I would call american talibans. Bloggers like the HUFFINGTONPOST.COM censor readers's comments who do not demonstrate sympathy for israel's right of self-defense argument. Instead, they like to spend their time disperaging Mel Gibson on a daily basis. They, in fact, appear to be part of jewish lobby.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:24 pm#135 Darien Taylor
This liberal does not feel that way.Exaggerate much?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:24 pmThe issue in CT is that liberals won’t support Liebmerman because he’s jewish and they can’t stand his support of Israel.
Comment by Darien Taylor
LIE
He has been Jewish for a long time dumb ass...
August 6th, 2006 at 1:25 pmI actually support Lieberman-even thought I am against this war- because of his record on civil rights and the stance he took in the sixties. But for Newt to call the voters who vote against him insurgence is absurd! These are Americans exercising their free will, and if they vote out Lieberman, so be it.
I really think repubs are becoming unglued with this war thing. It's like their backs are against the wall, and they are going to fight to the bitter end. And if their own - fellow Americans- get in the way, to hell with them too.
How sad!
August 6th, 2006 at 1:25 pmNot even in this thread anybody argued against this point.
Comment by One Jew — August 6, 2006 @ 1:22 pm
No, I'm afraid it's not the complelling of your argument, its just that no one really reads or bothers to respond to your incoherent fluff. Not after the first post anyway. Quit flattering yourself.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:26 pmNewt is this administration's "Kissinger."
August 6th, 2006 at 1:26 pmPLEASE let's not allow the two idiot sticks -- I Hate Liberals & Darien Taylor -- to start another flamewar.
DON'T respond to them at all -- they feed on it, and then they crap all over the place.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:26 pmTo: Zooey
point taken. thx
August 6th, 2006 at 1:28 pmYeah thats it.
I know that's it. If Lieberman weren't jewish, he wouldn't be getting these types of attacks from the insurgent left. The left does not attack Hillary, John Kerry or John Edwards. They all voted for the war. But they are not jewish, so they get a pass from the liberal left.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:28 pmisraeli/american war-crimes
"...rights of Muslim nations"
What rights are you talking about?
To kill, to behead, to opress, to spew hatered, to practice hatered.......
you finish the list.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:28 pmBrian Coughlan
"...no one really reads or bothers to respond..."
didn't you just do?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:31 pmwhy are only anti-zionist posters banned???
why are anti-9.11 lies posters banned???
why does think progress let these leiberman trolls take over and post hundreds of bullsith messages 72 hours before the election????
where is the outrage over the environmental damage to the med. sea by israeli bombings on a site that posts every single global warming snippet that appears anywhere on the net????
where is the outrage over the genocide in lebanon????
i have been awaiting answers to these questions for some time now...any ideas?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:32 pmThis liberal does not feel that way.
I wasn't directing it toward anybody on this board. Nevertheless, liberals are going after Lieberman to punish him for being Jewish and for his strong support of Israel. They consider Isreal to be fascist and are tryiing to teach Lieberman a lesson.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:32 pmBrian Coughlan
"Quit ... yourself"
What habit of your's made you say that?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:32 pmRelated Note: Can someone post some links to non-partisan polls that show waning support for the Iraq War. Especially a Fox news poll if one exists. I have an acquaintance who insists I'm getting my biased info from the "left-wing" CNN. Ha!
August 6th, 2006 at 1:33 pmHe has been Jewish for a long time dumb ass…
And the liberals have been attacking him for a long time, for that reason.
It's sad to see that you tried to flame me with the "dumb ass" remark. That's uncivil and you should not make this discussion personal.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:34 pmZooey
"...and then they crap all over the place...."
no one could compete with you. You noticed?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:34 pmrandall
hey, bud.
what happened 2 u?
u r not a jay anymore?
how come?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:35 pmI know that’s it. If Lieberman weren’t jewish, he wouldn’t be getting these types of attacks from the insurgent left. The left does not attack Hillary, John Kerry or John Edwards. They all voted for the war. But they are not jewish, so they get a pass from the liberal left.
Comment by Darien Taylor
Wow how unintelligent you are??? I have seen the democrats get bashed time and again on here for not standing up to the republicans... they have been called everything from republican-lite to Iraq war enablers.... Hillary has been singled out in particular... go away and get a little smarter then come back.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:35 pmyou are socialist slime who seek to cahnage this society to suit your perverted and sick ideals
LIKE THIS???
WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certaiun inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted amont Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Goverments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security....
and by God, this is WHAT WE INTEND TO DO THIS NOVEMBER
August 6th, 2006 at 1:36 pmI am an AMERICAN ..and an Insurgent too..AGAINT a war
August 6th, 2006 at 1:37 pmthat was brought on by LIES AND DECEPTION .
I wasn’t directing it toward anybody on this board. Nevertheless, liberals are going after Lieberman to punish him for being Jewish and for his strong support of Israel. They consider Isreal to be fascist and are tryiing to teach Lieberman a lesson.
Comment by Darien Taylor
You mean by voting for him for vice president like the majority of Americans did in 2000?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:37 pmDarien Taylor
"If Lieberman weren’t jewish, he wouldn’t be getting these types of attacks from the insurgent left. The left does not attack Hillary, John Kerry or John Edwards. They all voted for the war. But they are not jewish, so they get a pass from the liberal left."
Bullseye!!!!!!!!
Any-body to challenge this?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:38 pmWhat's a J?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:38 pmHillary has been singled out in particular…
That is not true. The leftist liberals in this country are not supporting her liberal opponent, like they are doing to Lieberman. There is no great urgency to get her out of the senate, like the liberals are doing to Lieberman. If Hillary were jewish, it would be a different story. The liberals would all be supporting her liberal opponent. Liberals don't like jews and that's why they are attacking Lieberman.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:38 pmIt’s sad to see that you tried to flame me with the “dumb ass†remark. That’s uncivil and you should not make this discussion personal.
Comment by Darien Taylor
You want to see personal? Call me a racist to my face and not on the Internet.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:39 pmI wish every moderate republican could see the deranged bile uttered by these crackpots that passes for commentary, they'd run screaming to vote for the democrats.
I see the Darien bot is back. There does seem to be a particular air of desperation today though. Admitting to a desire for genocide, spending 12 hours posting the same drivel again and again. Wild.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:39 pmisraeli/american war-crimes
u heard the words
missed on the meanings
August 6th, 2006 at 1:39 pmExcellent point Crickett (#10). No matter how many times I'm reminded of this I still get caught up in the emotions of the argument and miss the inherent falicy of the argument itself.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:40 pmYou mean by voting for him for vice president like the majority of Americans did in 2000?
I voted for Lieberman in 2000 as well. The liberals in this country did not though. Liberals in 2000 voted for Nader. They would never support a jew for high office in this country. And they are against Lieberman again this year, just becuase he is Jewish. They don't like his support for Israel and they see this as a way to punish him for it.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:41 pmBottom line? He has an agenda, and he plays loose with the facts to promote it.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 6, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
I agree. I've seen him do this just about every time he posts something. He seems to learn a tiny bit about a subject and then spins it to look genuine. He must be good at convincing people who are too lazy to do their own research that he is right. Which why I have no idea why he hangs out here where most of the posters are educated, knowledgable and able to see through such smoke and mirrors trickery...
August 6th, 2006 at 1:41 pmBadmoodman
Read the 101 of BRAINWASH:
CNN is no “left-wing†, the owner is Ted Turner.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:41 pmAny-body to challenge this?
Comment by One Jew
I already did scroll up
August 6th, 2006 at 1:41 pmHas it occurred to Newt that this "legitimate insurgency" has arisen to counter the "legitimate insurgency" that has effected a power stranglehold on our nation's exectutive and legislative branches, as it executes one flawed policy after another?
Listen Newt, you sad Republican excuse for a human being.
An insurgent is one that revolts against civil authority or government.
Characterizing legal participation in the processes set up by the government as a revolt, legitimate or otherwise, cleverly insinuates they are some garden variety of rebel attempting to overthrow the authority of the state.
We are an electorate. Invoking a specious term to associate us with the death squads in Iraq is grotesque.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:42 pmCNN is no “left-wing†, the owner is Ted Turner.
Comment by One Jew — August 6, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
NOT ANYMORE YOU DUMBS*HIT - your ignorance is exhausting.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:42 pmBrian, Unbelievable,
It's not only the negotiation part, Neocons don't understand. I thought about bringing up the tax thing, but I thought they wouldn't get it. Why should one even consider to tax the rich?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:42 pmIt’s the tiny- fish -eaten- by- the- bigger -fish,eaten -by- the- biggest- fish- kind -of -world I think they’re most comfortable with.
Comment by Steve53 — August 6, 2006 @ 1:20 pm
Funny how they, tiny fish, have convinced themselves that they are the biggest fish just because they have nukes...
August 6th, 2006 at 1:44 pmYou want to see personal? Call me a racist to my face and not on the Internet.
You made this personal by calling me a dumbass. You flamed me because you don't have the intelligence to respond to the substance of my argument.
I would never call anybody a racist, on line or in their face. I believe in civil discusssion.
That said, the liberals in this country finally see a way to punish jews, and they are doing it by going after Lieberman. It turns my stomach.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:44 pmGerald Gibson
"Wow how unintelligent you are???"
"...go away and get a little smarter then come back."
Gerald Gibson
Wow, how unintelligent are you?!
go away and get a little smarter then come back, will U?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:44 pmI voted for Lieberman in 2000 as well. The liberals in this country did not though. Liberals in 2000 voted for Nader. They would never support a jew for high office in this country. And they are against Lieberman again this year, just becuase he is Jewish. They don’t like his support for Israel and they see this as a way to punish him for it.
Comment by Darien Taylor
Do you equate liberal == flower power,hug the trees types? Do you listen to Rush a whole lot?
Left is a RANGE ... with the CORE being the ideals of Americas founding fathers which were LIBERTY minded and were agaisnt all forms of unreasoned thought from loyalty to the establishment to "religiousness" types that swear allegence to a church.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:45 pmwhy does think progress let these leiberman trolls take over and post hundreds of bullsith messages 72 hours before the election????
It's called a debate. You obviously don't like to have your views challenged. Think progress does not foster a site where only one side of the argument gets presented. And I doubt they would take your advise in that regard. This is a top notch site.
That said, it should finally be said what the liberals are doing to Lieberman and why they are doing it. It revolves around the fact that the man is Jewish and that he supports Israel.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:46 pmmadashell
"you are socialist slime who seek to change this society to suit your perverted and sick ideals", (well said , eh?)
that r good for but a test-tube!
August 6th, 2006 at 1:46 pmI would never call anybody a racist, on line or in their face. I believe in civil discusssion.
Will you concede however, that you are a dumbass? Sure, it's rude, but after all you have posted about 150 posts since yesterday all saying basically "they hate Joe because he's a Jew". You don't agree that makes you an utterly deranged dumbass? No?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:46 pmThats funny. How much is AIPAC paying Newt?
This Newt needs to do some explaining about the Office of Special Plans that no one seems to want to ask him about in the media.
He's the real threat.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:48 pmGerald Gibson
"You want to see personal? Call me a racist to my face and not on the Internet."
C'mon over.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:48 pmDo you equate liberal == flower power,hug the trees types? Do you listen to Rush a whole lot?
I think you know what a liberal is. And no I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh. He's a pill popper.
It's no doubt that the liberals in this country are going after Lieberman with a vengiance. They are doing it more so now that Israel is trying to defend itself. Their whole problem with Lieberman is that he's jewish.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:49 pm#183 Yes, incoherent indeed.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:50 pmGerald Gibson
"Any-body to challenge this?
Comment by One Jew
I already did scroll up
Comment by Gerald Gibson"
Can't see anything. Could u, please, be specific?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:52 pmbut after all you have posted about 150 posts since yesterday all saying basically “they hate Joe because he’s a Jewâ€.
The truth hurts? I'm not going to stand down in the face of anti-semitism. Liberals don't like jews. They don't like Israel. They think the state is fascist.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:52 pmSTFU Newt. There is an insurgency in CN. Its composed of PATRIOTS, people who believe the interest of America and not Israel comes first. People who realize America is governed by a criminal class with a complete idiot and war criminal at the top. The revolution begins tursday in the polling places of that great state. Hopefully by Jan. first of 07, American troops will be safely home while you and your discredited gang will be retired, hacking for fox news, imprisoned or delivered to the Hague for war crimes trials.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:52 pmI voted for Lieberman in 2000 as well. The liberals in this country did not though. Liberals in 2000 voted for Nader. They would never support a jew for high office in this country. And they are against Lieberman again this year, just becuase he is Jewish. They don’t like his support for Israel and they see this as a way to punish him for it.
Comment by Darien Taylor
Yeh ALL the 'liberals' voted for nader...[Assuming facts not in evidence.]
August 6th, 2006 at 1:52 pmAnd they are against Lieberman again this year, just becuase he is Jewish. [I don't give a rat's ass if Lieberman was an Alien from the planet Lune. He has continuously voted with the Republicans. If he want's to get elected he should run as a Republican. Oddly the Republicans don't want Joe either, go figure]
"how dangerous are the dictatorships?" newt ponders.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:53 pmmy question exactly, and the current dictatorship in the white house has shown us a glimpse of how dangerous they are!!
We are late in forming an american insurgency, but its exactly what we need to overthrow these lying thieving murdering warmongers!!
join THE PROJECT FOR A NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION today!!
go to WORLDCANTWAIT.ORG, SIGN UP FOR DAY OF MASS RESISTANCE ON OCTOBER 5TH 2006!!
madashell
"CNN is no “left-wing†, the owner is Ted Turner.
Comment by One Jew — August 6, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
NOT ANYMORE YOU DUMBS*HIT - your ignorance is exhausting."
Here comes the truth:
Notice madashell 's reaction?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:53 pmI am so tired of these lunatic republicans!!!! They cheat, and lie, and steal, and take bribes, and they have trashed our constitution until it is almost unrecognizable. Now WE are insurgents because we don't like their neocon dressed in democrat clothing!!!! Newt is the lunatic that wants Bush to declare WWIII in October because he thinks that is the only way for republicans to win!!!! Lunatic republicans always have to have some sort of war to fight. Whether it is a war on Christmas, or a war now on democrats who want to choose their own representatives!!!!
These lunatic republicans need to go back to the asylum.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:53 pm#183 Yes, incoherent indeed.
Comment by RealScientist — August 6, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
Man it's hopping today!!! We have one guy articulating genocide as the solution for the middle east, and a bot who simply repeats over and over that "liberals hate Liebermann because he's a Jew". He's easily posted 150 time's over the last 24 hours.
Bonkersville.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:53 pmThere is an insurgency in CN.
Yes, there is. And to be blunt, it is a bunch of jew haters.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:54 pm#171 - See ya, j. I'm outta here, too, for a while.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:54 pmThat said, the liberals in this country finally see a way to punish jews, and they are doing it by going after Lieberman. It turns my stomach.
Comment by Darien Taylor
PROVE IT
I grew up right wing nut job... never even CONSIDERED voting democrat until I saw the crazies in the country on a witch hunt against someone for SEX... it happened to be Clinton, but I didnt care who it was against... it was a WITCH HUNT ... which should remind EVERYONE of christianities days in power in the past where they tortured to death millions of people.
I was so brainwashed growing up that I didnt even know that Israel had been DESTROYED and there was NO ISRAEL for about 2000 years. After I learned this THEN I understood finally why there was all this fighting in the middle east. Zionists had no right doing what they did... ZIONISTS... Not Jews.... ZIONISTS.... It has nothing to do with JEWS.... JEWS are no different than AFRICANS.... INDIANS.... Chinese..... just a RACE of people.... ZIONISM === RACISM... They believe in having a country that is for one race of people and against all others.... After reading everything from teachers in Israel burning bibles in the school yard in front of the children to settlers cheering the murder of muslims praying at their church I have realized that Zionism is NO different than the witch hunting racists and bigots that tortured to death MILLIONS in the name of JESUS....
Is Leiberman a zionist? If so then yes I am against him for that. Is he for a war in Iraq instead of dealing with 911? Yes... and so I am against him for that. I voted FOR Lieberman in 2000 NOT because he was a JEW... because I dont think of people that way... he in my mind... was an AMERICAN... and he was NOT on the nut job right that I had grown up with ... so that was good enough for me.... trying to say LEFT OR RIGHT in this country are a bunch of JEW HATERS shows how brain washed by RUSH LIMBAUGH that you are.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:55 pmNewt, I evaluate everything you say based upon the lack of character you showed when you served your first wife divorce papers when she was lying in a hospital bed dying from cancer.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:55 pmYou have no credibility as a decent human being, much less a patriotic American seeking the best for your country. You're a treacherous, self-serving slime.
israeli/american war-crimes
"...you think i am going to explain..."
of cos not. How could u if u do not know?
August 6th, 2006 at 1:55 pmWhy should one even consider to tax the rich?
Comment by german_in_switzerland — August 6, 2006 @ 1:42 pm
You're right - that notion completely escapes them. Mostly because, I imagine, they think there's a real possibility that they will one day be one of those American Royal Elite... Much like those who play the lottery.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:57 pmmadashell
“you are socialist slime who seek to change this society to suit your perverted and sick idealsâ€, (well said , eh?)
that r good for but a test-tube!
Comment by One Jew — August 6, 2006 @ 1:46 pm
WTF????? what the hell does this mean?????because I believe in OUR DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE - I'm absolutely done now, it is too hard to fathom their freaking ignorance and bile. Freaking LEMMINGS! Not one original thought comes out of their mouths anyway - all of it TALKING POINTS FROM THEIR PURITANICAL MASTERS.
s'long.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:57 pmYeh ALL the ‘liberals’ voted for nader…[Assuming facts not in evidence.]
And they are against Lieberman again this year, just becuase he is Jewish.
Exactly. Now we are getting somewhere. The liberals are dead set against Israel. They are not going to support Lieberman, who they consider to be a tool of Israel. Liberals do not like jews and that's the reason they are so much against Lieberman. It's not because of policy, because he has the same voting record as Hillary Clinton. It's because he's jewish.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:58 pmNewt says “is so hard, it is so frightening, it’s so painful, can’t we come home and hide?†but what I suspect he really means is "it's such a failure, it's such a mess, it's so embarrassing, can't we give up on this disaster of a foreign policy and try something that might not have such dismal results?"
But I'd rather be a cowardly cut-and-runner than a sadomasochistic idiot who persists in creating harm and enjoys standing in its way.
August 6th, 2006 at 1:59 pmscott
"...NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION today!!..."
yet, another lolly-pop baby cry.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:01 pmIs Leiberman a zionist? If so then yes I am against him for that.
I know it. That is the problem why liberals don't support Lieberman. They don't like that he stands with Isreal. Notice it never gets asked if Hillary is a zionist, or if John Kerry is a zionist. Their voting records are identical to Lieberman's. It's because Lieberman is jewish that is why the liberals see fit to attack him and try to ascribe his motives.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:01 pmI am so sick of these people. such as Darien here, who want to play this 'religion card' over and over, you need to quit that crap.
Here we have the Rushdoony fundamentalists on the evangelical right who want, or rather need, 2/3 of all Jews to be exterminated to fit their religious ideology.
I don't want 2/3 of the Israelis to die. That would be the Bush 'base' of fundamentalists. I have no desire for any Jew to be slaughtered nor do I hold hatred for a religious ideology.
I mean, Darien, you need to take your anti-semite rant over to Freeper or Fundieland...
August 6th, 2006 at 2:01 pmNewt is a nasty half-dead, crazy old man, with the morals of a tom-cat...I wouldn't waste one minute listening to that old scumbag
August 6th, 2006 at 2:01 pmTheir whole problem with Lieberman is that he’s jewish.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 1:49 pm
That's the most ridiculous thing I've read since just before I stopped reading Seixon's rants.
Liberals are the ones who support equality for others. We routinely get slammed by the Right for defending blacks, women, gays, AND Jews. Your argument doesn't fit with the reality of things, it's why no one takes you seriously.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:02 pm#171 - See ya, j. I’m outta here, too, for a while.
Comment by Zooey
Yeah, take your time will u?
u need to sober up.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:03 pmI t would be comical if this Taylor wasn't such a jackass. Why is anyone responding to him? He has hijacked two threads in the past approximately 24 hours with the same tired mantra "you lefties hate jews" and people keep responding. I do not have to defend either my voting record or my beliefs to the likes of someone with one tired line and not one shread of evidence to back it up.
Yu all have a great Sunday. I am going to go enjoy my day and forget there are idiots like Taylor in the world.
Remember what Cyra wrote - just because Taylor repeatedly writes garbage does not make what he writes anything other than garbage.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:03 pmGerald Gibson
"I grew up... etc"
U did?
G, I did not notice.
Touchy story, btw, I almost cried...
well, almost.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:04 pmComment by Darien Taylor
So you are saying that the burning of bibles in Israeli school yards by the teachers in front of the children is a JEWISH thing? If so what does that say about the Jews?
No it is a ZIONIST thing. ZIONISTS burn bibles because they are RACISTS and BIGOTS that think their race and their religion is SUPERIOR to christianity and islam and that in the end they will rule over us all. THAT is what the KKK types thought... and the NAZIS... and the MAO followers... and all the other facists of this world.
When Israel gives up on ZIONISM they will get the same suppor that South Africa now does since they gave up on Aparthied.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:05 pmI know it. That is the problem why liberals don’t support Lieberman. They don’t like that he stands with Isreal. Notice it never gets asked if Hillary is a zionist, or if John Kerry is a zionist. Their voting records are identical to Lieberman’s. It’s because Lieberman is jewish that is why the liberals see fit to attack him and try to ascribe his motives.
Comment by Darien Taylor
NO, it is because if America is to create peace in the middle east we cannot appear to favor one country over another. And again you forget that the Plan was for Israel to make a 'Clean Break' To become Independent.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:05 pmI am so sick of these people. such as Darien here, who want to play this ‘religion card’ over and over, you need to quit that crap.
I'm not going to quit. And it's not crap. If Lieberman were a methodist like Hillary Clinton, he would not be getting attacked right now by the liberals. Hillary is going to coast to re-election. Liberals don't partically care for jews, and they certainly don't like anybody who stands firmly with Israel.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:06 pms’long.
Comment by madashell
s'longer.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:06 pmMagnetic Poet
"I am so sick..."
Turn on CNN - should help for the likes of u.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:08 pmLiberals are the ones who support equality for others.
Well, liberals certainly don't support the equality of Israel to defend itself. And they want to take down anybody, like Lieberman, who stands with Isreal.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:08 pmDarien: Liberals don’t partically care for jews, and they certainly don’t like anybody who stands firmly with Israel. - - Geeze, are you ever partically off base. (WTF?)
August 6th, 2006 at 2:08 pmI’m not going to quit. And it’s not crap. If Lieberman were a methodist like Hillary Clinton, he would not be getting attacked right now by the liberals. Hillary is going to coast to re-election. Liberals don’t partically care for jews, and they certainly don’t like anybody who stands firmly with Israel.
Comment by Darien Taylor —
Your letting your religious bias blind you.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:09 pmNewt's message is clear -- if you support George Bush's War -- vote Republican
August 6th, 2006 at 2:09 pmor vote for Lieberman. There's no difference.
Breaking news:
Newt Gingrich offically condemns participation in the democratic process.
One definition of insurgent:
From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:
Insurgent \In*sur"gent\, n. [Cf. F. insurgent.]
A person who rises in revolt against civil authority or an
established government; one who openly and actively resists
the execution of laws; a rebel.
Is Newt saying that participation in the democratic process is illegal?
News flash: Newt Gingrich declares Democracy illegal!
Insurgent is also defined thus:
From Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856) [bouvier]:
INSURGENT. One who is concerned in an insurrection. He differs from a rebel in this, that rebel is always understood in a bad sense, or one who njustly opposes the constituted authorities; insurgent may be one who justly opposes the tyranny of constituted authorities. The colonists who opposed the tyranny of the English government were insurgents, not rebels.
News Flash:
Newt Gingrich offically comes out in support of the Imperial English Government. Corollary: Newt Gingich condemns actions of US Revolutionary army. Brings swiftboating to new low.
News Flash:
Newt Gingrich offically states governtment "tyrannical."
New Flash:
Newt Gingrich inadvertently advances Democratic agenda amongst thinking people of US.
-- centroid
August 6th, 2006 at 2:09 pmThe left and the right both suck; the right just sucks more.
I’m not going to quit. And it’s not crap. If Lieberman were a methodist like Hillary Clinton, he would not be getting attacked right now by the liberals. Hillary is going to coast to re-election. Liberals don’t partically care for jews, and they certainly don’t like anybody who stands firmly with Israel.
Comment by Darien Taylor
If Israel gives up their racist and religious bigotry then the left will support them like th left supports ALL peoples that are against bigotry.
Israel has alot of NONZIONISTS in their country now... There is no ill will against them. They march for peace and fight against the settlers... are they Jew haters also? Even though they are anti-zionist Jews?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:10 pmGerald Gibson
"When Israel gives up on ZIONISM they will get the same suppor that South Africa now does since they gave up on Aparthied."
Read above.
T'ink the frogress over it.
c who u r. k?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:10 pmDarien,
Hillary, even though she supported the war did not become the "darling" of the conservatives. She did not go on Sean Hannity's show every few weeks--the same Hannity who comapred liberals to "terrorists".
She did not "kiss" George W. Bush. She did not waver on Alito. She did not waver on social security. She was stabbed in the back by Joe Lieberman on helathcare reform.
-GSD
August 6th, 2006 at 2:10 pmI t would be comical if this Taylor wasn’t such a jackass. Why is anyone responding to him?
First of all, I'm a she, not a he.
Secondly, flaming me by calling me a "jackass" is against the policy of think progress. They don't allowing flaming. Wise up.
Finallly, it has come time for somebody to stand up and say why liberals oppose Lieberman. It's because he's Jewish and that he stands with the state of Isreal.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:11 pmRead above.
T’ink the frogress over it.
c who u r. k?
Comment by One Jew
No clue what that even meant... some kind of code?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:12 pmIt’s not only the negotiation part, Neocons don’t understand. I thought about bringing up the tax thing, but I thought they wouldn’t get it. Why should one even consider to tax the rich?
Comment by german_in_switzerland — August 6, 2006 @ 1:42 pm
Yeah, pearls before swine ... super especially today:-)
August 6th, 2006 at 2:13 pmTypical disgusting comment, and for obvious reasons - the GOP are officially the bad guys now, so make sure nobody gets it wrong. "Throw the bums out", and vote in the Leftist bums. Rinse and repeat.
We never learn, do we?
How about a third party, comprised of centrists, with non-billionaire candidates?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:14 pmYour letting your religious bias blind you.
Comment by Magnetic Poet
What bias u r blinded by? c #44.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:14 pmWell, liberals certainly don’t support the equality of Israel to defend itself. And they want to take down anybody, like Lieberman, who stands with Isreal.
Comment by Darien Taylor
Israel HAS defended itself Darien, but hey let's have another repeat of the past, right?;
August 6th, 2006 at 2:14 pmIsrael responded to Hezbollah’s violence by applying overwhelming military
force against the Lebanese civilian population to indirectly affect the group’s actions.
The Iron Fist policy, begun in 1985, was the first in a series of offensives intended to
drive the population of southern Lebanon out of their homes and destroyed the country’s
infrastructure. Similar Israeli campaigns in 1993, and 1996 could be termed part of a
“counter-terror†strategy by the IDF. In each action the IDF directed overwhelming
military force against the Lebanese civilian population in an effort to stop Hezbollah’s
attacks. These actions created hundreds of thousands of refugees and terrific damage to
the infrastructure of the country.275 However, this strategy was unsuccessful in achieving
its goals. Hezbollah responded in 1993, and again in 1996, by targeting settlements in
northern Israel with Katyusha rockets. Hezbollah reportedly “fired [sic] more than 600
Katyushas into Israel, while Israel fired an estimated 25,000 shells at Lebanese targets
and flew 600 combat air sorties†during the 1996 offensive.
==
Yeh Darien lets repeat the cycle yet again...right??
Secondly, flaming me by calling me a “jackass†is against the policy of think progress. They don’t allowing flaming. Wise up.
Testy. But lets be fair, you really are an enormous and annoying thread hijacking Jackass. Note the capital J? Really your are.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:14 pmNewt is an idiot. I met a Gingrich in St. Louis a number of times at a bar I used to go to there. This Gingrich claimed he was newt's cousin. He also said that newt was a real bastard; a real a'hole. Weather or not this "cousin" was really a cousin, I don't know. But he was telling the truth about the qualities of this jerk.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:15 pmFinallly, it has come time for somebody to stand up and say why liberals oppose Lieberman. It’s because he’s Jewish and that he stands with the state of Isreal.
Comment by Darien Taylor
Considering I have personally totally discredited you by showing the different between zionists and jews and even gave examples of anti-Zionists Jews protesting their own government and their own settlers AND many others have shown the same things ... yet you CONTINUE to say the same thing over and over says one thing and one thing VERY clearly about you...
You are a sheeple... and now that you have commited yourself to this lie you are not giving up on it even when PROVEN false... SHEEPLE.
You are a WEAK follower that can not think for yourself so you latch to some "talking point" and keep hammering it over and over in the face of contradictory facts because you got NOTHING ELSE of your own to offer.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:16 pmHow about a third party, comprised of centrists, with non-billionaire candidates?
Comment by D. Douglas — August 6, 2006 @ 2:14 pm
The US system simply will not allow a third party to get a foothold, it's all but impossible. Before you even think about a 3rd party you need massive and sweeping electoral reform.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:16 pmNo clue what that even meant… some kind of code?
Comment by Gerald Gibson
Just read what you write. Is it sane in your opinion?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:16 pmThe draft dodging cowards in the Publican leadership take us to war based on lies then accuse those who would end it of cowardice? How yellow bellied low can they be? Send the snakes to Baghdad, and not to the green zone.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:16 pmHow about a third party, comprised of centrists, with non-billionaire candidates?
Comment by D. Douglas
I would vote for it in a heart beat.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:16 pmYour letting your religious bias blind you.
Comment by Magnetic Poet
What bias u r blinded by? c #44.
Comment by One Jew — August 6, 2006
I don't much care for Dodge Chryslers...=)
August 6th, 2006 at 2:17 pmI don't recall him ever in the service, I just remember him from running away from his cancer stricken wife, like the true man he and the rest of the neocons really are.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:18 pmIt’s not only the negotiation part, Neocons don’t understand. I thought about bringing up the tax thing, but I thought they wouldn’t get it. Why should one even consider to tax the rich?
Comment by german_in_switzerland — August 6, 2006 @ 1:42 pm
Yeah, pearls before swine … super especially today:-)
Comment by Brian Coughlan
Brian Coughlan JUST CONFESSED - HE IS A PIG
August 6th, 2006 at 2:19 pmI don't like menudo or chitlins,even some Italian, sushi or kosher foods, but hey, thats just my opinion, nothing to kill anyone over...
August 6th, 2006 at 2:20 pmJust read what you write. Is it sane in your opinion?
Comment by One Jew
I just repeat the history I read in books... You repeat the lies of rightwing imbeciles with an agenda. I dont make up my own "facts" .. I get them from the news and history books... if they are wrong well then I am sorry... but if they are wrong then what the hell is right? I will stick with history not some bigot from Rush radio.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:21 pmOh boy I leave for awhile and the Lieberman defender trolls pour onto this thread > lol. Tell Joe that every dollar spent on trolls will do him ZERO good, especially since Gingrich admitted that Joe is a GOP member!
August 6th, 2006 at 2:21 pmBrian Coughlan JUST CONFESSED - HE IS A PIG
Comment by One Jew — August 6, 2006 @ 2:19 pm
so eat me:-)
ROTFL
August 6th, 2006 at 2:21 pmGerald Gibson
"I just repeat the history..."
exactly.
U do not learn from it.
I was telling u that all along.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:23 pm.
This is an attempt to use and reinforce the frame of “cut and run†instead of viewing it as the real and legitimate disastrous foreign policy that is costing THOUSANDS OF LIVES and BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. The reality that this war has nothing to do with “bringing democracy†and everything to do with fear and the unmitigated greed of this immoral jingoistic group has to be addressed and brought to the forefront of this battle and consciousness of the people. This is a battle for the soul of the USA where we will be turned into either into immoral jingoistic war mongering blind mob driven by fear. Or we realize that we are better than that.
THIS WAR IS A TRAGEDY OF GREED, DEATH AND FEAR.
.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:24 pmexactly.
U do not learn from it.
I was telling u that all along.
Comment by One Jew
Do you REALLY think those word games are clever? Cutting out hald statements and then filling in your own words? Oh yes... isnt that what TP was going on about with some democratic congressman having his words taken out of context last week? You really do think you got something there dont you?
Well let me tell you what I learned from church as a kid.... "half a truth is a LIE" ...liar.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:25 pm"Oh boy I leave for awhile..."
Comment by Jay Randal
G, look at this royalty - is not willing to leave without an announcement.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:26 pmWhy is it that wingnuts don't understand that in our democracy (whats left of it) an election is a form of revolution, and that being an incumbent isn't an entitlement to remain in office?
So, yeah Newt, it IS an insurgency, which for a democratic republic, is one of our most solemn duties.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:26 pmDarien, you're spelling Israel correctly only half the time. Look at your #225 comment...you spelled it two ways again.
Sloppy spelling equals sloppy thinking, Darien. Get your act together, girl!
August 6th, 2006 at 2:27 pmSloppy spelling equals sloppy thinking, Darien. Get your act together, girl!
Comment by manny
False... it indicates fast typing.
Grammar nazis are WORSE than the right wing... almost.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:28 pmGerald Gibson
Do you Gerald Gibson learn from the history?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:28 pmBack to the original topic, the real reason that Newt is so upset about Lieberman is that it is a sign that the American people are waking up and realizing that THEY are the ones who are really in control. Way to go CT, now what about the rest of us?
It's time to send the incumbents home, ALL of them. Start over with PUBLIC financing so that this time there can be NO K Street project, there can be NO more Newts, Tom Delays or Randy Cunninghams. Time for government to work for US, not for the ultra rich and the settled politicians. Of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE, and for the PEOPLE, etc!!!
August 6th, 2006 at 2:29 pmDo you Gerald Gibson learn from the history?
Comment by One Jew
You mean like the lesson that when ANY country declares an OFFICIAL race in their country it means that country is FACIST?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:29 pmThis guy is a true horse's ass... why give him any space on your website?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:29 pmAnAmerican
"...election is a form of revolution..."
it's just perfect.
no further comments...
August 6th, 2006 at 2:30 pmIsrael is a self declared JEWISH state.
That doesnt make JEWS bad...
It makes ZIONISM bad...
August 6th, 2006 at 2:31 pmnazis are WORSE than the right wing
nazis WERE the right wing.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:31 pmmanny
Sloppy spelling equals ...
Are you British? (now, that was said with British accent. Could you repeat that? Good girl.)
August 6th, 2006 at 2:32 pmHey why dont we here in American follow Israels lead... declare America a WHITE CHRISTIAN STATE! Just like Israel Zionists have done... then we can let the skin heads run the White House!
August 6th, 2006 at 2:32 pmSome great posts, some just more of the reich winged smearing crap..Weighing in briefly and then back to my forest to hug more trees....
Newts happen when 63% of the voting public don't vote...I always thought a Newt was a slimy little creature that hung out in the dark under houses. Oh yah, they are.. Note newt's latest crap is just a diffrent wording of the same old bull shit bush thing to devide the country further.."if you aren't with us you are against us' junk....This entire gang want total control and allegance to their madness..This bunch does not care about people, countries or the world in general..They want and pramote the war for the money, power, oil and bringing on their rapture....Now they will back more killing by Israel to all it's neighbors......Pure madness.......Lieberman is a pawn for the rep and now neither side wants him because he is a liability......The dem's don't want him because he went against the dem people and party and the reps don't want him because any fool knows you can't trust a turn coat.......To buy into the jew or anti jew crap is to buy into more of the reich winged madness....Go back to the dark basement you crawled out of newt, that where you belong.
Just because the majority no longer want's the bush wars does not mean we are weak, it means the majority are finelly waking up and turning away from killing for profit....Stop the madness.....Peace, demand it now.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:33 pmFalse… it indicates fast typing.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
I thought we would never agree.
We did? wow!
August 6th, 2006 at 2:33 pmThe problem here is that the REPUBLICANS are the INSURGENTS! They are the ones seeking to transform the US into a police-state with dictoral control. The REPUBLICANS are the traitors, and any serious look into 9/11 will show the US government & not half-wit teenage immigrants carried out those attacks.
The Democrats should be calling the republicans traitors - but that would 1st requre them to educate the public about their crimes - including 9/11 and many others.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:34 pmOne Jew > TP/Judd do not want flame wars on here, so your butt is in jeapardy > lol.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:35 pmGerald Gibson
What Middle Eastern country provides Palestinians with a right to vote?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:36 pmNewt ... did you "run and hide" during Viet Nam?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:37 pmThe answer is "yes."
You're giving "chickenhawks" a bad name again.
This guy is a true horse’s ass… why give him any space on your website?
Comment by Rick S is a true horse’s ass
August 6th, 2006 at 2:37 pmBush thinks he is royalty, but he was born mentally challenged > lol.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:37 pm#41
Your right.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:37 pmI thought we would never agree.
We did? wow!
Comment by One Jew
Its called reasoning. It is not oppinion... it either IS or IS NOT... I am computer programmer... in my mind it is either TRUE or FALSE... with many many repitions for each and every sub detail.... logic.... that is how people like me can be FOR Israeli self determination (now that they are a reality) AND against zionism.... they do not == each other...
August 6th, 2006 at 2:38 pmmadashell
U R back?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:38 pmHell. this is the blowhard who cut and ran on his military service and marriage. Keep it up noot, you do more harm to your ilk than andy cult-er.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:38 pmTP/Judd do not want flame wars on here, so your butt is in jeapardy > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal
Apparently not...
August 6th, 2006 at 2:39 pmWell, liberals certainly don’t support the equality of Israel to defend itself. And they want to take down anybody, like Lieberman, who stands with Isreal. - Comment by Darien Taylor
If you were just stupid and not an actual troll, you would be asking yourself why we liberal moonbat anti-Israel insurgent terrorist-loving traitors would accept pro-Israel Russ Feingold as President. The answer to that would cure stupidity but a troll is simply a brainless bomb thrower. Which one are you?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:40 pm#215 - "Newt is a nasty half-dead, crazy old man, with the morals of a tom-cat…I wouldn’t waste one minute listening to that old scumbag " Comment by Chabuka —
Newt Gingrinch, former history professor, has an excellent "big picture" grasp on hitorical events and how they help shape the events of the day. But I do AGREE with you on his lack of personal morality. But I thought sexually immoral pols would appeal to progressives? Who knew?
P.S. Darien, you're right about Honest Joe Lieberman - if progs were HONEST they would criticize Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Biden, Kennedy and that whole wreteched pack of two-faced phonies. The only thing Hillary did "smartly" was to BOTH embrace the Jewish community AND slam GWB - in the same breath....Wow!
August 6th, 2006 at 2:41 pmGerald Gibson
I can imagine how you program.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:42 pmWhat Middle Eastern country provides Palestinians with a right to vote?
Comment by One Jew
The one that they gave up on having so they could stop Israel from coming into existance. They FAILED at this and now should accept Israel... and Israel should stop its zionism and give the palastinians another chance to accept or reject Palastine.... giving back SOME land and calling that good faith is a lie.
It is time for this madness to come to an end. Call the arabs and the persians out.
Israel should get rid of zionism and the settlers and the occupied lands... refuse to murder any more arabs. AND then ask America to verify that indeed they have given up on racism and to back them against any further attacks.
I would support 100% Israel in an all out WWII style war of UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER against the arabs and persians IF they give up zionism and prove that they are no long instigating the fighting. I HOPE that the arabs would see that they would then HAVE to choose peace or all out destruction. I HOPE that the arabs would save themselves and take peace. BUT if they were dumb enough to STILL let their fighters attack Israel without arresting them... well ... the WWII style war on them would take care of that... in either case the ME problem would be over... and peace WOULD have been given a chance... and the arabs/persians would have rejected it leading to their own destruction OR they could accept it and the ME would finally be normal.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:43 pmZooey
u said u need 2 sober up. that vas fast.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:44 pmOne Jew
Azoy vert dos kichel tzekrochen!
August 6th, 2006 at 2:45 pmHi Mighty Aphrodite.
How's Mikey?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:45 pmRight Mighty, Newt has such an incredible grasp of history he accurately describes the purging of Bushbots and Neocons from government office as a turning point in American history.
His grasp of the absurdly obvious is overwhelming.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:46 pmAll responses to either 'one jew", or 'Darien Taylor' are a total waste of time and energy. They are unworthy of both. They are negative all the time, and will say anything,and I do mean anything, because they are so needy for the attention, however it comes to them. Shall we try scrolling past all of their offerings, for say, an hour? Should be interesting.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:47 pmGerald Gibson
"I would support 100% Israel ..."
You are lying to yourself. There is no point of making arguments to u either.
Read post #44 in this thread.
c u
August 6th, 2006 at 2:48 pmCyra,
I agree, scroll past the asshats.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:48 pmI can imagine how you program.
Comment by One Jew
Computers are all 1s and 0s ... TRUE and FALSE.... I program exactly how the computer needs me to... there is fundamental truth beyond what you WANT things to be... this is what SELF EVIDENT means... it is true even if SOME humans say otherwise... this is what LIBERTY is all about... the truth of the matter is PEOPLE do not NEED governernments.... that is why America was born... and PEOPLE do not need war that is what JESUS was all about.... It is all very logical... and the only thing that keeps everyone from getting with the program is EGO.... EGO lies and lives in illusions... EGO is Americas #1 problem right now...
August 6th, 2006 at 2:48 pmOne Jew acts lie I-Right-I, so they could be one and the same person?!
August 6th, 2006 at 2:49 pmGerald - who was the Head of State of Palestine before those "evil" Zionist worked their guilt ridden logic on the nations of the world. What were those election results?
August 6th, 2006 at 2:49 pm“so hard, it is so frightening, it’s so painful,†Newt? No, it's just so corrupt, poorly conceived, and immoral to go around indisriminately killing innocent children. But speaking of "hiding," Newt-- you helped design this corrupt war, so when are we going to see your fat ass come out of hiding and line up alongside all the patriotic young men and women you deceived into fighting your crooked war for personal profit? It's the least you could do. And I don't wanna hear any babble about responsibilities being elsewhere, being of better service here than there, or anal warts. So, go please, traitor, go.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:49 pmAzoy vert dos kichel tzekrochen!
Comment by Yenta
Thx. U2.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:50 pmAll responses to either "Cyra Brown" are a total waste of time.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:51 pmOne Jew,
Took you a while, you had to Google that, didn't you? Ahntoisht
August 6th, 2006 at 2:51 pmWhat would happen if the MSM focused on the daily deaths of Iraqi's as they are with Israel/Lebanon? What if every day there was the same attention to each Iraqi life? I bet the war would have been over long ago! Aloha to all.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:52 pmGerald Gibson
Oh, u still program 0 and 1.
I thoght nobody does it ever since late 90's.
But that's ok. keep doing it.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:53 pm“I would support 100% Israel …â€
You are lying to yourself. There is no point of making arguments to u either.
Read post #44 in this thread.
c u
Comment by One Jew
No lies are needed... I put myself in THEIR shoes and then use the golden rule to decide what I would do....
If I wronged somebody... (zionist take over of palastine)
I would fix my own internal problems first then appoligize for what I had done.
Then I would offer the other cheek.... if they then slapped that cheek ....
Well there is nothing more I can do but defend myself with all out effort.
Seems very simple. Yet the Israelis keep up the revenge cycle and the right wingers egg them on instead of helping them get over their racism problem.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:54 pmFinallly, it has come time for somebody to stand up and say why liberals oppose Lieberman. It’s because he’s Jewish and that he stands with the state of Isreal
I'm used to reading fairly idotic statements on internet message boards. I don't know if I recall one more brainless and poorly thought out than this one. It's so childish and lazy to play the 'race' card. Clearly this person has chosen a belief and while they're certainly entitled to it, it has no more creedence than the beliefs of the Flat Earth Society.
I won't go over what people have already said, and why Lieberman is being opposed. But I must say my Jewish, liberal girlfrield got a real chuckle out of the comment.
August 6th, 2006 at 2:55 pmFalse… it indicates fast typing.
Comment by Gerald Gibson
I thought we would never agree.
We did? wow!
Comment by One Jew
Ssee? If wee al jest tri hrd nuf, wee kin fiind thangs wee al agreeeee onn!
By the way, Darien, "finally" has 2 "l's," not 3. (Msg #233)
SHEESH!!!!
August 6th, 2006 at 2:57 pmGerald - who was the Head of State of Palestine before those “evil†Zionist worked their guilt ridden logic on the nations of the world. What were those election results?
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Who was the head of state of America 400 years ago? Eurpose 3000 years ago? Egypt 12000 years ago? Israel 8000 years ago?
People can choose to govern themselves however they wish. Is arabs like the tribal model that is THEIR business... not Eurpean zionists coming in and saying that they must do government THEIR way or else they will pretend their are no arab society in Palastine and will just bomb them and shoot them over and over until they leave to one of those states that Britian created...
August 6th, 2006 at 2:58 pmAzoy vert dos kichel tzekrochen!
Comment by Yenta
Thx. U2.
Comment by One Jew
Completely out of context, One Jew, Google it again. Geshvollen
August 6th, 2006 at 2:58 pmNewt is right - there is an "insurgency" brewing in CT. And throughout the U.S. as well.
It is the "The U.S. should not have been in Iraq in the first place" insurgency.
It is the "We knew this was a bad idea before we went there" insurgency.
It is the insurgency of Realisitc Military Leadership.
It is the:
"An exit strategy will require the establishment of political stability which will be difficult to achieve given Iraq’s fragmented population, weak political institutions and propensity for rule by violence. - U.S. Army War College - February, 2003. " insurgency.
Newt says: "Can WE come home and hide?" What the f#ck does he mean by "WE ?"
HE has been HERE ( "home" )in the U.S. the entire time. Nice and comfy ...
"WE?"
GO F#CK YOUrSELF, Newt !
( And if he made a 3 or 4 day trip to Iraq at some point, who cares. Unless he went there with seriously pared down security - don't bore me with a bullsh#t response like that. If he went and was protected by the same top security that all of the other politicians get when they go there - then that further undermines his already feeble point ... )
August 6th, 2006 at 3:00 pmOJ - Thanks for asking - all the mini-Aphrodites are great!! I hope all is well with you and yours! YOU are a true mensch!
Funny thing about Joe Lieberman - I agree with him on 30% of the issues BUT always thought he was an honest, good, man. (Note to Progs: Disagreeing with someone does NOT make the other person "BAD" - but honest disagreements are not something fostered in the various branches of World Socialism & Progressivism.) Can we trade you our DemoPUB, the weak-kneed, Lincoln Chaffee for Joe??
August 6th, 2006 at 3:00 pmOh, u still program 0 and 1.
I thoght nobody does it ever since late 90’s.
But that’s ok. keep doing it.
Comment by One Jew
You have NO clue what you are talking about yet your lips are still flapping...
ALL code gets compiled down to raw processor commands before being executed. Even HTML is simply translated through several layers until it gets down to the raw commands that processors understand.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:02 pmGerald,
Gai shlog dein kup en vant!
(Go bang your head against the wall)
August 6th, 2006 at 3:03 pmGerald - Thank you for making MY point (though I know you would never do so intentionally). THERE WAS NO PALESTINIAN STATE BEFORE 1948....but the Arabs sure as h*// knew they did not want the State of Israel - on THAT they could agree....
August 6th, 2006 at 3:04 pmWe don't hate Joe Liberman because he's Jewish, or because he looks a bit too much like "Teller" from "Penn and ....".
What did him in was the video of him laughing along with Bush during the Chimp's "Them WMDs must be SOMEWHERE" presentation to the White House Press Corps.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:06 pmOne Jew acts lie I-Right-I, so they could be one and the same person?!
Comment by Jay Randal — August 6, 2006 @ 2:49 pm
IRI won't post under anything but I-RIGHT-I because he thinks he's clever and wants credit. He'll not use another name. I think teh reason they sound alike is because ignorant and arrogant Rush dittoheads all sound alike to those of us with functional brains... moronic and hateful.
Besides, he's been having posting issues so I sent him a list of other political blogs. Seems they haven't all spit him out yet. When he comes back, you'll know why.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:07 pmLieberman will be out of the Senate soon, so no need to trade him for another Republican > lol.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:07 pmGerald Gibson
What does "repitions" mean? (Msg. #279)
Did you mean "repetitions?" Just wondering.
The Grammar Nazi
August 6th, 2006 at 3:08 pmWhy does Newt want Joe Lieberman to be on the ballot in November?
August 6th, 2006 at 3:08 pmComment by mighty aphrodite
Disagreeing on wellfair reform or estate taxes is one thing... racism, religious bigotry, and war is something else all together.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:08 pmDidn't Howard Dean's brother refer to Lamont's campaign as an "insurgent campaign" about a month ago?
I must have missed all the outrage around here...
August 6th, 2006 at 3:09 pmwell unbelievable > compared to Seixon and some of the other GOP dead-heads on TP, I-R-I was not so bad in hindsight > far worse trolls on here now!
August 6th, 2006 at 3:10 pmWhat does “repitions†mean? (Msg. #279)
Did you mean “repetitions?†Just wondering.
The Grammar Nazi
Comment by manny
Let me tell you what... I will email all my responses to YOU and you can correct them and then post them for me? Thanks....
August 6th, 2006 at 3:10 pmGerald - Thank you for making MY point (though I know you would never do so intentionally). THERE WAS NO PALESTINIAN STATE BEFORE 1948….but the Arabs sure as h*// knew they did not want the State of Israel - on THAT they could agree….
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Correct!
BUT they DID allow jews to live among them like everyone else.... they did NOT want any FORCED system on them....in particular RACIST ZIONISM....
August 6th, 2006 at 3:11 pmSince Gingrich thinks Iraq is so unfirghtening, let him get his fat ass over there and put his life on the line. He doesn't care how many more Americans die in Iraq. We lost this war the moment the first Amercian soldier stepped foot in Iraq. Get out and get out now.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:11 pmI never thought I would agree with Gingrich on anything but I have to admit, he's right. It would indeed be "the beginning of an extraordinarily important period in American politics" if a illegal war could be ended and an illigitmate regime removed and presecuted for crimes against the nation by citizen action. It would mark the beginning of the end for the corporate oligarchy and the re-birth of democracy.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:11 pmSecondly, flaming me by calling me a “jackass†is against the policy of think progress. They don’t allowing flaming. Wise up.
Darien Taylor, don't you think it is flaming when you call other people anti-Semitic, even though you offer no proof, no evidence, and no logical explanation for tagging people this way? If not, then why is it flaming to label you (pick an insulting term: troll, idiot, jackass, propagandist....)? After all, you have offered a mountain of evidence along these lines in this thread.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:12 pmWhat does “repitions†mean? (Msg. #279)
Did you mean “repetitions?†Just wondering.
The Grammar Nazi
Comment by manny
Let me tell you what… I will email all my responses to YOU and you can correct them and then post them for me? Thanks….
Why don't you lift a finger and take the extra seconds to do it yourself, you lazy bastard?
August 6th, 2006 at 3:12 pmRemember, Newt Gringrich is a failed politician who has been resurrected by Rupert Murdoch to infotain the American public. As such he resorts to inflammatory rhetoric and bogus polemics, someone said upthread. That is another reason why we should get rid of Murdoch and send him back to OZ...
one jew is one joke.
Brian Coughlan, is mise
August 6th, 2006 at 3:13 pmCyra > Lieberman is a Trojan-Horse Republican > the best GOP agent ever covertly placed inside the Democrat party > Newt is upset that Joe is about to be retired from the Senate!
August 6th, 2006 at 3:14 pmComment by manny
Because I DONT GIVE A SHIT....
When I am writing technical papers I run them through MS Word.... when I am posting opinions on a political chat site ... well .. you do it for me or I wont do it at all... and by the way YES grammar in highschool was a complete waste of time for almost all jobs in the real world... escpeically with word processors and spell checkers... hope that doesnt make all the english teachers feel bad....
August 6th, 2006 at 3:16 pmPorky chickenhawk Newt “Goering†is hawking WWIII because he's LOOKING FOR A NEW HAREM. He's tired of being stuck with ugly golddigging hos like "Call-girl-ista" and is relying on ye old Biblical standby of getting his handsomer, younger male rivals killed or maimed in trumped-up wars so he can jump their pretty grieving women who otherwise wouldn't give the Newtster the time of day. Somebody should tell First Ho wannabe Call-girl-ista that Newt's about to trade her in.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:16 pmNewt's comments are a predictable step in the neocon struggle to maintain absolute corrupt power. Its no different than a spoiled child's reaction in a toy store, so often seen, when a mother says, 'no, you can't have it, put that toy back'! Ya just know the tantrum is coming. Only as adults, the neocons are much more outwardly controlled, placing them beyond kicking, screaming, and crying. Now they just scheme politically, throw sticks 'n' stones, or resort to name calling. If that doesn't work, then its back to basic scare tactics. And, if that doesn't work, they resort to diebold electronic voting machines.
It used to be the vocal minority, like Gingrich could simply be ignored and dismissed, because they were in fact a small minority. Unfortunately, one of the illnesses of a population explosion (300,000,000 US), is even a vocal minority is too loud. Especially in the presence of a silent majority, democrats of recent years. Let's hope this November changes that.
for the sake of sanity, or perhaps insanity ;-), a few (quotes) thoughts from minds of the past .....
August 6th, 2006 at 3:18 pmOne Jew
That groisser gornisht is off Goggling his yiddish. Got tsu danken.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:19 pm"insurgents"... "purging"... fun new memes!...
August 6th, 2006 at 3:19 pmthey're scraping the bottom of the barrel... it will get ugier...
P.S. Gerald - Jews let Arabs live and WORSHIP (or not) as they choose. But I guess after hundreds of suicide bombers, hijackings, bombings, etc. Israel decided it MIGHT be prudent to watch the "ducks".....BTW, several Arab Israelis have been killed by the "kindly" Hezbollah fighter/barbarians
August 6th, 2006 at 3:20 pmThank you newt for losing the rethuglican party another million votes! Guess what newt we don't need to hide because there is nothing for strong patriotic American's to hide from. We just want to have our troops come home from your illegal immoral war where they do not belong. Go back to hiding under your bed you washed up semi-retarded slime ball.
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August 6th, 2006 at 3:22 pmauthorized by Ned Lamont for Senate. Contributions to Democracy for
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Yes, the Nazis are really coming out of the cloest now, eh...
The USA is heading for dictatorship fast under this crowd of maniacs.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:23 pmGerald Gibson
Because I DONT GIVE A SHIT….
When I am writing technical papers I run them through MS Word…. when I am posting opinions on a political chat site … well .. you do it for me or I wont do it at all… and by the way YES grammar in highschool was a complete waste of time for almost all jobs in the real world… escpeically with word processors and spell checkers… hope that doesnt make all the english teachers feel bad….
And so the dumbing down of America continues.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:23 pmsend newtron the overlord of evil to fight on the fight frontlines here and now with no training. i am sick and tired of bullshiting right wing chickenhawks complaining about the left but none of them are signing up for 4 tours of duty wth put your body on the line godless right wing coward
August 6th, 2006 at 3:25 pmP.S. Gerald - Jews let Arabs live and WORSHIP (or not) as they choose. But I guess after hundreds of suicide bombers, hijackings, bombings, etc. Israel decided it MIGHT be prudent to watch the “ducksâ€â€¦..BTW, several Arab Israelis have been killed by the “kindly†Hezbollah fighter/barbarians
Comment by mighty aphrodite
So is that why all zionist terrorists from the 40s and 50s were killing villagers in mass to scare the others to get out to Jordon and Lebanon and Syria?
That one act has caused an unending cycle of revenge from the arabs.
The arabs are racists also... this I can agree... racism has been very center to humanity until the 1800s... if arabs were not racists they would lead a peaceful Ghandi like campaign against Israel. If Israel was not racists they would try to make themselves the good guy and put the arabs on the spot... but they are both full of racists that dont mind killing each other out of never ending revenge....
That is why AMERICA ... the REAL America is needed to bring this crap to an end. America has been purging itself of racism for the last 200 years and we should lead the way.
And ANYone that calls themselves an ally of America should be EXPECTED to rid themselves of OFFICAL RACISM which is what a "zionist state" is...
August 6th, 2006 at 3:25 pmZoo, I mean Yenta, you sure are having fun with that Yiddish-English dictionary... :)
August 6th, 2006 at 3:27 pmNewt and the chickenshit chickenhawks should know a lot about hiding from war...me thinks Newty, Dubya, Cheney, Rove, et al, are very good at hiding from war...
August 6th, 2006 at 3:28 pmThat said, it should finally be said what the liberals are doing to Lieberman and why they are doing it. It revolves around the fact that the man is Jewish and that he supports Israel.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 1:46 pm
You're either a rather low level slow witted paid gop operative or you are an incredibly stupid idiot. But thanks for making retarded comments like that because every time you do the anti-American bushite trash loserman loses about a thousand votes.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:28 pmAnd so the dumbing down of America continues.
Comment by manny
Considering your "grammar" has changed repeatedly over the years you let me know when you get to a "standard" ..
Yo! All Ye gentlemen! Comith here to me and hearith with thy ears...
August 6th, 2006 at 3:30 pmZoo, I mean Yenta, you sure are having fun with that Yiddish-English dictionary… :)
Comment by unbelievable
God damn it! You outed me! A broch tsu dir!
I gotta go anyway. It's been loads of fun! I pass the torch to you, Salma. :)
August 6th, 2006 at 3:30 pmYes sir re bob....Newt knows about hiding....he was very good at that during the Viet Nam War...along with bush, cheney, frist that all hide so well they did not have to go fight like the heroes, Jack Murtha and John Kerry....
August 6th, 2006 at 3:32 pmFinallly, it has come time for somebody to stand up and say why liberals oppose Lieberman.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
The reason every sane person who supports America opposes Lieberman has been well stated repeatedly for the past year. I couldn't care less what his religion is or what foriegn nations he stands up for, the whole problem is that he does not at all stand up for America and has even stood against America repeatedly. Take you lying BS somewhere's else!
August 6th, 2006 at 3:35 pmWhat war did this cocksucker or any other chickenhawk ever fight? Basically, Iraq has taught us one thinbg: It's better for our kids to hide and duck for cover over there so we don't have to over here.
Enough about this clown: Dunno where Frank Rich is this fine Sunday, but will Nicholas Kristof do?
August 6th, 2006 at 3:40 pm#343, Tom B,
Kermit (Kos, I call him Kermit because his eyes bug-out like a frog) of the dailyKermit (dailyKos), wrote a book titled "Crashing the Gate", so liberal bloggers already dubbed themselves insurgents by the title of that book. That was the mystique they wanted to create, and now they got it.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:42 pm"Your description of “rats leaving a sinking ship†is relevent, accept that Republicans were out of power so long, that the core base is made up of people who worked very hard to regain power. I believe your reference to rats is more applicable to those who bailed from Democrats after 1994.
Since Newt is a brilliant strategist, it is no surprise that he is keenly interested in the outcome of the Democratic primary and subsequent general election, and their affects on the Democratic Party’s future. Both he and Bill Crystal laid out the different permutations moving forward, and their possible affects, and discussed what it means to American domestic and foreign policy. It was one of the more interesting discussions I’ve watched on FNS lately. "
I can say more in two words than you said in 126...F*ck OFF!
August 6th, 2006 at 3:45 pmJoin the Insrgency !
August 6th, 2006 at 3:47 pmwe liberal moonbat anti-Israel insurgent terrorist-loving traitors would accept pro-Israel Russ Feingold as President.
Liberals are never going to nominate Russ Feingold or any jew for president. Liberals don't like jews and they certainly don't like anybody who stands up for Israel.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:48 pmI won’t go over what people have already said, and why Lieberman is being opposed.
Lieberman is being opposed by liberals simply because he's jewish. And that's the only reason. Any other excuse given is window dressing. Notice liberals are not opposing Hillary Clinton to the senate, and she has the exact same voting record as Lieberman. She is not jewish.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:52 pmThe war is bad and we want to
Ah Newt, Newt, Newt. What are we going to do with you? Mr. Gingrich, you're certainly welcome to come home, too, and get rid of this incompetent gang of fools and build a much better, much more responsive, much more stronger American home.
It never fails to amaze me how these guys have their talking-point reframes and their partisan spin. They certainly know how to pervert the language and the discourse.
"Hide"? HIDE?
I hope most people can see through this.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:52 pmWe don’t hate Joe Liberman because he’s Jewish
I'm not talking about anybody on this board. Liberals despise jews. And they consider Lieberman to be an arrogant jew. And they will never stand for anybody like Lieberman standing up for Israel to defend itself against Islamic terrorists.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:54 pmDarien give it up and give Joe a refund for your effort on here defending him > he is toast come Tuesday!
August 6th, 2006 at 3:55 pm>
Duh Newt Speekz, WHAAAA? Ignore the idiocy spoken by the " LUUZER !"
(Given a chance he will also lecture you about marriage, though trice married... )
A HYPOCRITICAL HORSES' ASS DOES NOT DESERVE THE TIME OF DAY!
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage. -FULL DETAILS HERE.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
B U T THEY WILL SEND YOU, YOUR CHILDREN, AND YOUR GRAND-CHILDREN....
F O R T H E I R O W N P R O F I T
( MONEY $$$$$$$$ )
WAKE UP AMERICA, THEY ARE KILLING FOR MONEY $$$$$
August 6th, 2006 at 3:55 pmGerald Gibson
Your story thus is known, case closed.
This thread has enough self-telling comments you have made.
For UNBIASED reader the picture would be clear.
thx for your self-discovery.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:58 pmFor God's sake Taylor, either back up that 'liberals hate Lieberman because he's a jew' bullshit or stop upchucking it all over the boards.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:59 pmDarien Taylor, don’t you think it is flaming when you call other people anti-Semitic, even though you offer no proof, no evidence, and no logical explanation for tagging people this way?
Absolutely not! I was not calling anybody on this board anti-semitic. I'm not addressing any of my comments to anybody on this board. Nevetheless, my point still stands. There are liberals who are against Lieberman because he's jewish. Liberals don't like Jews. they can't stand Israel. They want a moral equivalence between Israel and the Islamic terrorists. They can't stand that Lieberman stands with Isreal's right to exist. It is hatefull and I can't stand it.
August 6th, 2006 at 3:59 pmMark of North
"HYPOCRITICAL HORSES’ ASS DOES"
"WAKE UP AMERICA, THEY ARE KILLING FOR MONEY $$$$$"
R U awaiken or u r still dreaming?
August 6th, 2006 at 4:00 pmanti-American bushite trash loserman
You think Lieberman is anti-American and pro-Isreal. This is part of the point I've been making all along about why liberals don't support jews.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:01 pmWho listens to Newt anyway. He is a has been. So Newt has come up with his own version of cut and run. It is not going to work for him politically. i can see Bushco looking for a way out of Iraq now. One day Bushco will declare a civil war in Iraq and pull the troops out. It is the face saver they have been looking for. Then Newt will be calling his own GOP fellows "run and hiders". So this strategy is going to backfire on Newt.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:02 pmthe whole problem is that Lieberman does not at all stand up for America
Exactly. Liberals see Lieberman as standing up for Isreal, not America. It is rooted in anti-semitism. And liberals don't care that much for jews.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:04 pmBarney
"Who listens to Newt anyway"
U did.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:04 pmNewt knows about insurgents. He has had a few female insurgents ruin two of his three marriages.
-GSD
August 6th, 2006 at 4:15 pmit's painfully obvious that DT goes by the rove tactic of repeating over and over the same lie, thinking that eventually people will believe its true. No, only the nonthinkers will.
I can see they are worried, very worried. Otherwise why are we being bombarded with their rhetorical talking points. They talk and talk, but say absoutely NOTHING.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:18 pmWhen this administration does leave Iraq-- their actions and methods will define the the term 'cut-and-run'...
August 6th, 2006 at 4:19 pmHey Darien,
How about the support for Israel from that man beloved by Christian Republicans and conservatives, Mel Gibson?
Now there is an Israel hater. Come on. He speaks for Republicans and the "family values" crowd.
-GSD
August 6th, 2006 at 4:20 pm[...] It’s fascinating that republicans can look at the insurgency in Iraq and call it “democracy”, then look at democracy in Connecticut and call it an “insurgency”. Posted by Chris on Sunday, August 6th, 2006 at 3:24 pm. Filed under General [...]
August 6th, 2006 at 4:20 pmAbsolutely not! I was not calling anybody on this board anti-semitic. I’m not addressing any of my comments to anybody on this board.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 3:59 pm
You are still spewing your nonsense, over 12hrs later!? wow, you really do need to get a life. You are being absolutely disingenuous when you say you do not target anyone in this board -after all, this is liberal blog.
Nevetheless, my point still stands. There are liberals who are against Lieberman because he’s jewish.
And you still haven't been ableto produce any links to back up what you say. Until you do that, don't expect anyone to think you are anything but a tiresome troll. Repeating your meme won't make it come true.
They can’t stand that Lieberman stands with Isreal’s right to exist.
Links, sources, evidence?
August 6th, 2006 at 4:21 pmHow about the support for Israel from that man beloved by Christian Republicans and conservatives, Mel Gibson?
Now there is an Israel hater. Come on. He speaks for Republicans and the “family values†crowd.
True. But on this liberals and Mel Gibson are on the same page. They don't like Jews.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:25 pmYou are being absolutely disingenuous when you say you do not target anyone in this board -after all, this is liberal blog.
Not true. I consider it a moderate blog. I enjoy reading it. It is not hardcore left like the anti-semites who are targeting Lieberman because he's jewish.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:27 pmI have been watching the History Channel's series on the American Revolution and the Patriots were referenced by Britain as Insurgents so I proudly acknowledge I am a Patriot in the Insurgent mold of Great Americans Franklin Washington Jefferson who fought for the America I want back... I pledge allegiance to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution on which the Country was founded on... Newt Who?
August 6th, 2006 at 4:27 pmCan somebody PLEASE tell me why you are having this hissy fit?
It has already been proven that the word "insurgent" has been used previously by the left to describe themselves. So your manufactured outrage is really, REALLY thin.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:29 pmI consider it a moderate blog. I enjoy reading it.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 4:27 pm
It does not matter what you consider it. What matters is that many people here consider themselves to be liberals. You are attacking them personally. Stop.
It is not hardcore left like the anti-semites who are targeting Lieberman because he’s jewish
Again, provide links, sources, and evidence or p!s off.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:30 pmExcellent point, Mark of North. It seems hiding from loud noises IS a Republican value. Ask any Republican from the head Republican Bush all the way down to that small town drunk (amazingly small gap between the two "extremes" heh, heh) if they ever fired a shot in anger. The rare exceptions only serve to prove the fact.
Fu#king cowards, all of them.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:34 pmIt does not matter what you consider it.
Links, sources, evidence that this is a liberal blog?
It is a moderate blog. John Podesta is a moderate. And so was Bill Clinton.
Bill Clinton supports Lieberman. He is a friend to Israel. Liberals do not like Lieberman because they don't like his support of Isreal, and they certainly don't like that he is a practicing Jew.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:35 pm#247 Joe mato: Newt is a cowardly chickenhawk who ducked the draft in the Vietnam war. No balls.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:40 pmthe good people of Connecticut should feel highly insulted and demeaned by this has-been's remarks. What a jerk!! Connecticut voters at all levels should vote anti-Repub forever!
August 6th, 2006 at 4:41 pmLinks, sources, evidence that this is a liberal blog?
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 4:35 pm
Are you dense? I said "many in this blog consider themselves to be liberals". Anyone who has spent any time reading the threads knows that. You are being disingenuous again. Has it occurred to you that is the reason why you get so many angry responses? Of course not, you are too dense for that.
Liberals do not like Lieberman because they don’t like his support of Isreal, and they certainly don’t like that he is a practicing Jew.
When are you going to back up anything you say with links and evidence?
August 6th, 2006 at 4:43 pmI said “many in this blog consider themselves to be liberalsâ€.
And many are not liberals, like me and John Podesta. You have not proven this is a liberal blog. The only thing you have proven is that you like to hear yourself talk.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:48 pmFor The Record...
The former speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, who divorced his wife when she lay in a hospital bed, shut down the government, and had his ass handed to him after he tried to remove President Clinton from office --...
August 6th, 2006 at 4:50 pmWhen are you going to back up anything you say with links and evidence?
I already did. You just chose to ignore it. Here's another one found in the Newt thread, #32 said, “Really, most of us liberals are sick of towing the f**king “Israel is our ally†line/lie.â€
August 6th, 2006 at 4:51 pmWell, I have read all the posts and I think its clear
August 6th, 2006 at 4:51 pmthe only thing left to do for the American public
is reduce all taxes for the wealty to 1% and eliminate
the inheritance tax. Ditto Newt.
#364 Mark of North: BULLSEYE!!!
August 6th, 2006 at 4:51 pmHitler was a great politcal strategist. He knew how to galvanize a nation with fear and hatred. Newt and Karl didn't write the book....the just read it.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:52 pmYou have not proven this is a liberal blog.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 4:48 pm
Nor was it my contention, so I have nothing to prove in that respect.
The only thing you have proven is that you like to hear yourself talk.
Says the dimwit who has been typing "liberals hate Jews" non stop since yesterday evening.
So, how about you share those links that show how liberals have made anti-semite comments?
August 6th, 2006 at 4:53 pmAfter libermans defeat, the young republicans can serve in the buffer zone in Lebanon. Since they beleive in the GOP policy, let them put some skin in the game.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:53 pmDarien,
Are you the same Darien that stalked Ralph Reed last year?
August 6th, 2006 at 4:55 pmThe longer these incompetents are in office the worse the world's situtation becomes.
The U.S. military has to occupy Iraq to dampen down a incipient civil war. In short, Bush and his incomprtent "advisors" will be lucky if they can take Iraq back to the preinvasion era of 2002. Meanwhile Americans have spent over 300 billion Dollars and tens of thousands of causalties to acheive that back to the future period. Rice - doesn't she AlWAYS sound diffident- cannot make diplomacy that ends ANY violence anywhere in the world.
But the multi-national corporations, having no real interest in America besides picking the pockets of U.S. taxpayers are raking in billions on no bid contractson the weapons that have to be resupplied for Bush's catastrope in Iraq.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:57 pmHere’s another one found in the Newt thread, #32
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
This is the Newt thread. You are scary dense.
That comment is not in this, nor in the Gibson thread.
August 6th, 2006 at 4:57 pmOf course anyone disagreeing with the King of America and his neo-freak followers are now the insurgents. Page 275 out the old play book......Newt is a pile of steaming dog do that should of stayed out of politics. I hope nobody steps on him!
August 6th, 2006 at 4:58 pmSo, how about you share those links that show how liberals have made anti-semite comments?
I alrady did. Post #32 in the Israel thread said, “Really, most of us liberals are sick of towing the f**king “Israel is our ally†line/lie.â€
You have not proven this is a liberal blog.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 4:48 pm
Nor was it my contention, so I have nothing to prove in that respect.
Yes it was your contention. In post #378 you said, "after all, this is liberal blog."
Now you say that wasn't your contention. Again, you just like to hear yourself talk.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:01 pmThat comment is not in this, nor in the Gibson thread.
Check the Isreal recieving the striking blow thread.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:03 pmDarien,
Are you the same Darien that stalked Ralph Reed last year?
Comment by rick — August 6, 2006 @ 4:55 pm
Well, are you?
August 6th, 2006 at 5:03 pmRick, no. Are you?
August 6th, 2006 at 5:04 pmWe'd all be better served if the Democratic and Republicans merged and renamed itself the Tittertatter Party. Then maybe a new party could emerge that can actually use "politics" instead of murder to expand the empire...
August 6th, 2006 at 5:05 pmDarien sez:
I alrady did. Post #32 in the Israel thread said, “Really, most of us liberals are sick of towing the f**king “Israel is our ally†line/lie.â€
That's cute, Darien, jumping threads like that, but your bullshit didn't play in the Israel thread, and it won't play here.
1) The post you referenced expressed disdain for Israel. Anti-Israel does not equal anti-semitism, no matter how much you repeat the lie.
2) My challenge was to find examples for your assertion that liberals were attacking Lieberman because he is Jewish. The post you referenced says nothing about Lieberman.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:07 pmAnti-Israel does not equal anti-semitism, no matter how much you repeat the lie.
Sure it does.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:09 pmI don't know about an insurgency in Ct but there is definitely an asshole in GA.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:12 pmDarien,
Are you the same Darien that stalked Ralph Reed last year?
Comment by rick — August 6, 2006 @ 4:55 pm
Well, are you?
Comment by rick — August 6, 2006 @ 5:03 pm
Rick, no. Are you?
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 5:04 pm
You come across as a stalker, like that obsessed woman in Fatal Attraction, rationalizing, persistent, and you obviously enjoy being the center of attention. Are you lying?
August 6th, 2006 at 5:13 pmSure it does.
Thanks for proving my point, Darien. Your moronic repitition of a blatant lie discredits you far more effectively than I could ever do.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:14 pmSure it does.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
No it doesn't. No more than someone saying that they hate America means they are anti-psychotic because you live here.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:15 pmbut there is definitely an asshole in GA.
Comment by The Fool — August 6, 2006 @ 5:12 pm
Oh, there's definitely more than one here - Chambliss, Isakson and Deal also come to mind...
August 6th, 2006 at 5:16 pmHey I'm a liberal and I love Jews.
So much for gross generalizations
(really kids, if you want to say that any one group of folks does or does not do something, have it relate to the organizing aspect of that group.)
Course it doesn't mean I support joe's re-election.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:18 pmJoe has forgoten who he is to represent and has been corrupted by neocons.
Hillary dod not call those who disagreed with her traitors-Joe did.
Many differences if you will but look.
oh I forgot-that's tough to do when you already know all the answers.
Now you say that wasn’t your contention.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
I clarified when I said "many people here consider themselves to be liberals". That is what I meant. There is no way for me to know what the moderators consider themselves to be, politically speaking.
Again, you just like to hear yourself talk.
Says the logic-challenged troll who regurgitates repetitious memes without backing them up with evidence.
Now, how about you provide links to those blatant anti-semite comments here and in the DailyKos you've been crowing about since yesterday afternoon?
August 6th, 2006 at 5:25 pmLamont Went From Zero to Favorite in 7 Months
This is about the BETTER man, as a MAN. And Lamont wins hands down.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:26 pmDarien,
Your writings here demonstrate a pathological dishonesty. You state hundreds of times that "liberals hate Jews" (even though most Jews are liberals!?!). You have been unequivocal with this libel. Most people posting here are liberals and I don't see any evidence of anti-Semitism. I have heard anti-Semitic words spoken before, but I cannot recall ever hearing them from a liberal coworker, relative, or neighbor. All of my Jewish friends are liberal, and by and large are harsh critics of Likud and the Iraq war. And you say they hate Jews! But then you claim that you don't say liberals hate Jews? Or that only some liberals hate Jews? Or that you can redefine liberal to mean whatever you want it to, which in this case means that Jew hating is the defining quality of liberalism?
I don't get it, Darien. Just what the hell are you talking about, since what you are saying doesn't make sense.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:29 pmWhy does anyone even care what this idot looser says? But then he was on Fox so I guess we should expect dribble to come rolling out of his mouth.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:52 pmWhat is it all about here? Lieberman?? Gingrich's abominable parallel is about the Republicans shivering in their shoes, when they think about the elections. You share positions with Bush, you're dead meat at the polls. Look at Hilary Clinton. Will the voters ever forgive her for not standing up against Bush's war? I don't think they will. Is she Jewish? Don't fall for that discussion. Watch the Republicans getting hysterical and enjoy it! I do.
August 6th, 2006 at 5:53 pmNo American are "insurgents"? Is he calling for an Iraq-style campaign against these insurgents? Is he supporting the killing of Americans? If not, then why the hell would he even say that? Oh, he's Newt. Oops... And they call the lefy "mean". This guy's so rallying support for 2008.
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Lieberman's getting smacked around because he's a moralizing little twit who trashed Bill Clinton's personal failings as President, but has no problem hypocritically begging Clinton to save his ass at the last minute
Let's hear Lieberman apologize to Bill Clinton for that harsh assessment, then Lieberman won't have to worry about having the obvious hypocrisy card thrown right back in his face
Oh yeah, Lieberman's complete sucking up to radical elements determined to intrude on the most personal decision a person could make-as in the Terri Schiavo fiasco, when "No-mentum" decided the state should make decisions best left to spouses and immediate families regarding the end of one's meaningful life-sure didn't comport with the overwhelming majority of the US public's siding with Michael Schiavo either
I have no patience with anyone who says that criticizing the President-especially a draft-dodging, budget-busting ChickenHawk with Delusions of Grandeur like W who slithered into his first term via unelected activist judges-undercuts those making the argument at the expense of the President
No, W undercuts himself more often and more ruthlessly with his absolute refusal to acknowledge unpleasant realities that even his most loyal retinue can't logically spin away
Lieberman goes out of his way to undercut the Dems when it hurts the most, and now he whines like that Senate Seat should just be his by proclamation instead of letting the voters decide just whose ideas represent them better
Something else to consider
Expect Gingrich's blather to become more shrill and desperate the closer we get to election day, and the nastier it gets, the more it indicates the GOP's Exterminationist Rhetoriticians, these GOP apologists and their media whores like Limbaugh, Hannity, Malkin, Coulter, Savage, Beck, Horowitz, and their willing media outlets like Powerline, Fox News and the Looney Moonie Washington Times, are all afraid of the political ballot-box bloodbath that's coming their way in November
The fact that GOP lackeys/trolls feel disturbed enough to post in every thread, multiple times, should prove just how rightly fearful of free elections these radical neocons-who do NOT represent the political or social mainstream in this country, no matter how much they may tell themselves otherwise-really are.
And really, just look at how low the GOP has been karmically smacked in just a little over a year and a half
From all that insufferable gloating and taunting on election night 2004, when it appeared that the radical neocon goal of dismantling all possible aspects of the US social safety net ASAP, starting with Social Security
All that self-assured "politicial capital" made the 2005 State of the Union Address even more of a radical neocon wet-dream, the ability to believe that a 51%-49% ratio translates into an overwhelming mandate to destroy the social safety net
And then, just when the GOP was at it's absolute Zenith-another term for W, an increase in the GOP's house & Senate seats, SURPRISE!!!!!
The more the public learned about the radical neocons attempts to privatize Social Security, the less they liked it, and the more W tried to spin it as a good move, the more the public disliked not only W's message, but W as well
The occupation in Iraq continued to spiral into anarchy, an obscene raping of the US taxpayers via corruption on a massive scale by US contractors with no-bid, no-oversight contracts, and with fewer logical large-scale military operations outside of Iraq and/or South Korea possible to play
And then, the ultimate in defining moments with the entire legislative and executive branches held by the GOP, the federal govt's absolutely shameful rescue & relief response to Katrina
The image of a President so frozen by incompetence that he decided to stay on vacation for an additional three days after Katrina hit is one of the most shameful moments in the history of this country
Instead of showing strong and effective leadership, instead of moving heaven & earth to relieve the suffering as quickly as possible on the Gulf Coast, W felt it wiser to continue on the fund-raising portion of his vacation, and the US Shame was broadcast for all the world to see
So, thanks to W's boredom with the details of being President, the ones that deal with keeping the US public as safe as possible from threats domestic and foreign, he blows off a major warning about al-Qaeda one month before the 9-11 strikes, then shows that the US govt, with it's malign neglect of the Gulf Coast immediately after hurricanes Katrina and Rita is even LESS able to respond to an immediate disaster than it was on September 11
Just how much of a learning curve of US lives and property does this Administration get to screw up, ruin and destroy before we rightfully insist it hold itself accountable for everything that's happened on it's watch?
This President has used a lack of congressional oversight to antagonize as much of the world as possible, and as a result, he's made the US the focus for most of the world's ire
He's overstretched the military with his foolish Iraq invasion and occupation, and done the same here at home with all the national guard & reserves doing combat duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, to the point that W is not sabre rattling, he's empty scabbard rattling
The large protests in Baghdad swearing Shiite support for Hezbollah put a stake through any type of real attack planned for Iran and Syria, as there are just nowhere near enough US troops to invade and occupy Iran & Syria while still occupying Iraq with the current level of US troops bogged down while battling insurgents, militias, death squads and terrorists in training
And the fact that Russia and China are not only becoming business partners, but also have the ability to rain instant nuclear ruin on the US will always trump the radical neocons delusions of playing a non-suicidal nuclear strategy that benefits only the US
Those US troops would basically be armed hostages in Iraq should there be any US military strike at Iran & Syria, and since the Administration already put them there without enough efficient body & vehicle armor, does anyone really think the US public would be in the mood to increase the deadly strain on already overburdened troops?
Lets see the press start asking the US public if further large-scale military invasions and occupations are justified anywhere in the world while still battling in Iraq at the same time
I think we all know exactly what the results of such polling would show, this country is absolutely fed up with the steady diet of slaughtering innocent civilians in the middle east, the rewarding of large amounts of now missing US Taxpayer funds to corrupt campaign contributing corporations, and constant class warfare aimed at the middle and lower classes in an attempt to boost the fortunes of the already enormously wealthy
And this is an Administration which has attacked the US Constitution, and done it far more harm, than ANY external threat the US itself has ever faced
The traitors in our midst are those political operatives who still back this President's brutal and evil policies, those who back the President's clearly illegal power grabs and constant rape of the US Constitution. By warrantlessly spying on the US public, the President has decided that all others outside his inner-circle of reality-denying loyalists/apologists are al-Qaeda sympathizers undeserving of the Constitutional Protections he's SWORN to uphold
So, realizing that their grasp on power is slipping by the hour, with the accumulations of so many legal woes and ethical scandals for the GOP at the state & local levels, the party and it's minions become ever more convinced that the only way to win back the majority of the public is to push an ever-harsher extremist view of all those not in line with the GOP's concept of loyalty to party before country and Constitution
Of course, that histrionic rhetoric is only going to make the non-indicted Karl Rove's mission, to right the rapidly sinking USS GOP, that much more impossible to accomplish
I really thought Rove would be able to get back to doing what he does best, then realized that, because of the logical inability to play the National Security card, his main strategy come November is a nonstarter
We can already see just what kind of magic Rove's worked for the GOP since his non-indictment for deliberately outing Valerie Plame, and instead of quaking in my boots, this liberal's quaking with laughter at Rove's clear incompetence at getting the public approval ratings turned back around in W's overwhelming favor, like right after September 11
Oh yeah, if the GOP want's to play the National Security card, then lets see this Administration argue, logically, how it's keeping us safe from another al-Qaeda attack after shutting down the CIA unit devoted to catching/killing Usama bin Laden last year
I remember all the damage that hit the GOP courtesy of Watergate
That was one scandal, and the President and GOP are being buffetted by numerous scandals and damage from their idiotic policies day after day now
Face it W lackeys, the radical neocons time is coming to an end, you all had your chance to implement your policies, the policies were stupid, counter-productive and self-serving in the most base of ways
You all blew it, now it's up to everyone else to clean up the President's mess-AGAIN-and the shattered remains of the GOP's delusions of permanent one party rule
Face it GOP stalwarts, even Diebold ain’t saving the GOP come November
August 6th, 2006 at 6:14 pmLCLiberal:
Thank you for the Ned Lamont link. Quite enlightening.
So...is are there any candidates that actually oppose Israel's 'we can do whatever the hell we like' policy?
August 6th, 2006 at 6:14 pmLCLiberal, Yes he is. Remember Bush’s infamous speech just before he launched those multiple 9/11s on an innocent Baghdad? He said, “We are going to destroy Iraq and make the Holocaust look like a Sunday afternoon picnic. You are either with us or you are with the terrorists.â€
If you are not with Bush on this, you are with the terrorists. Newt was being polite when he called us “insurgentsâ€.
Besides, he was talking to their “baseâ€. To the base, this insanity makes perfect logical sense.
August 6th, 2006 at 6:24 pmNewt keeps looking for a revolution (i.e. Contract ON America).
Now he is shouting that there Is An ‘Insurgency’ in CT.
Well, here in CT, we sincerely hope so.
This may be the beginning of your Revolution, Newt.
August 6th, 2006 at 6:24 pmKermit (Kos, I call him Kermit because his eyes bug-out like a frog) of the dailyKermit (dailyKos), wrote a book titled “Crashing the Gateâ€, so liberal bloggers already dubbed themselves insurgents by the title of that book. That was the mystique they wanted to create, and now they got it.
August 6th, 2006 at 6:25 pm# 424 yaaaaawwwwnnn
August 6th, 2006 at 6:28 pmLieberman is a weasel. He is so wishy washy. Doesn't have a firm answer for anything. It took Ed Shultz three questions to get an answer out of him about whether or not Rummy should resign. Grow some balls little man.
August 6th, 2006 at 6:30 pmKermit (Kos, I call him Kermit because his eyes bug-out like a frog) of the dailyKermit (dailyKos)
Wow, Jason, that's rude.
August 6th, 2006 at 6:31 pm#426, zoo,
You should read what Kermit says about his opponents. My statements are far more benign.
August 6th, 2006 at 6:36 pmWow, Jason, that’s rude.
Do you honestly expect any better conduct from Hendler?
August 6th, 2006 at 6:36 pm[...]wrote a book titled “Crashing the Gateâ€, so liberal bloggers already dubbed themselves insurgents by the title of that book.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 6, 2006 @ 6:25 pm
You are almost as dense as Darien Taylor and Emperor Palpatine.
So, crashing the gate = insurgency? That is your own interpretation, and does not hold up in this, or any other context.
Let me give you other interpretations: gate-crashing = party-crashing. gate-crasher = party-pooper.
August 6th, 2006 at 6:40 pm"...Democrats know nothing of personal sacrifice for the cause, which is ultimately why they won’t ever make it back to power."
Please, give me ONE single thing that the Repigs have personally sacrificed for the good of this county's masses. What do you mean by "cause?" Whose cause are you speaking of? Those whose cause was to line the bottomless pockets of the top 1% who already held most of this country's wealth?
These neocons of late have taken advantage of the honest-to-god, hard-working, middle-class of this once great country. I for one am sick of the bogus values echoed day in and day out by this new class of selfish, narrow-minded, mean-spirited neocons that somehow think they know best what all the rest of the world needs--all at the loss of the working middle class citizen who must borrow tens-of-thousands of dollars, anymore, just to educate their middle-class college students.
All this in the face of gigantic tax cuts for the privileged, richest few Americans and 8 billion dollars a month going to blow up other counties and then attempt to "rebuild" them in the warped image of our neocon administration and extreme right-wing politicos like Gingrich and Tom Delay.
Please, just who do you think you are kidding with your "personal sacrifice for the CAUSE" crap?
August 6th, 2006 at 6:41 pm#430, Gregor,
Thanks for "other" possible definitions, but in this context, it is perfectly clear what Kermit intended. He want "his barbarians" to challenge existing power structures, usurp power and impose their own political philosophies.
August 6th, 2006 at 6:41 pmDo you honestly expect any better conduct from Hendler?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Hope springs eternal...? Um, no.
August 6th, 2006 at 6:44 pm#431, rab,
Well, one example IS Newt Gingrich. He fought hard to fix Washington politics and day to day operations, and definitely cleaned house (no pun intended) when he took power - eliminating federal funding of the various caucuses that littered congress, etc. At the end of his career, all he got for his fight was unmitigated harassment by the press, until his reputation as the "Grinch" overshadowed all other achievements.
Clinton, who was IMPEACHED, did the opposite. He went along with whatever the polls told him, so he passed many pieces of legislation that ran counter to his expressed "feelings of pain", but hey, he left office with an approval rating in the 60's.
August 6th, 2006 at 6:46 pmJason sez:
He want “his barbarians†to challenge existing power structures, usurp power and impose their own political philosophies.
Your remarkably childish epithet of 'Kermit' notwithstanding, the rest of your post is a brilliant excercise in spin. Let's dissect it, shall we?
He want “his barbarians†to challenge existing power structures,
Nice perpetuation of the meme that legions of liberals exist soley to carry out the diabolical will of the DailyKos. I thought we'd seen the last of that twaddle.
usurp power
Definition of 'usurp':
Sounds a lot like what happened in 2000, doesn't it? Don't project your masters' shortcomings onto us, kthx.
and impose their own political philosophies.
Funny....I thought that's what duly elected officials are supposed to do: impose the political philosophies of their constituents. The fact that you equate that with 'insurgency' shows how pathetic your disconnect with reality has become.
Go home, Jason...you're clearly overtired.
August 6th, 2006 at 6:55 pmDear mad - The BEST part of the article you linked to was toward the end,
"If Lieberman loses, he plans to run as an independent, and a July 20 poll from Quinnipiac University showed Lieberman winning in a three-way race."
Does this poll result indicate CT is not as pink as you would like??
August 6th, 2006 at 6:58 pmNice to hear a chickenhawk like Gingrich, who escaped service during the Vietnam war, lecture others about the "perils" of avoiding the fight! :-)
August 6th, 2006 at 7:03 pmMonkey Tripe- Some elected officials do "impose the political philosophies of their constituents." And others follow the dictates of their convictions and act as LEADERS. (Whew - good thing FDR was a LEADER....I don't speak German or Japanese...)
Seriously, you may want to start a direct democracy movement....that sounds like the type of government you might appreciate....(But NO temper tantrums when FEWER agree with you on specific issues....)
August 6th, 2006 at 7:06 pm#435, Trip,
If you merely follow the rhetoric on dailyKermit for the last few months or years, you could see how they worked very hard to displace Raum Emanuel's strangle hold on contributions and other party machinery to eventually bump the old Democratic Party machinery.
They aren't merely having a competition of ideas. They are using all means, positive and negative to take down members of THEIR OWN PARTY. This is clearly an insurgency within the Democratic Party. I don't understand why you consider that a bad word, it comes straight from the book title "Crashing the Gate". If liberal bloggers now want to go low profile, so as to not risk recent progress, and spin themselves as "protectors of democracy", they can knock themselves out, but it was perfectly clear upon release of Kermit's book, that he intended to rouse the rabble ....
August 6th, 2006 at 7:13 pmFrom the genius that came up with the "Contract for America" we have his continued bloviating that dissent equals treason. This schmucko is right down there with Pat Robertson who wanted to whack Hugo Chavez as a cost effective alternative to war and said he could leg press 2000 lb. Why take this nutcase seriously? His only track record is one of failure.
August 6th, 2006 at 7:13 pmmighty aphrodite sez:
Some elected officials do “impose the political philosophies of their constituents.†And others follow the dictates of their convictions and act as LEADERS.
So, let me get this straight...your definition of 'leader' is diametrically opposed to the principle of representative government our nation is based upon?
I don’t speak German or Japanese
Given your perception of the term 'leader', it sounds like you'd fit in just dandy in Nazi Germany.
August 6th, 2006 at 7:16 pmOOPS!!! Where did little darien run off to. Even the sociopaths take their lumps here. Maybe he's not taken seriously by the kool aid sites and is trying to make a name for himself/herself (you never know about these righty nuts gender) in the adult world.
August 6th, 2006 at 7:22 pmThis is clearly an insurgency within the Democratic Party.
So why are you so worked up about it?
I don’t understand why you consider that a bad word
I don't consider it a 'bad word'...my only problem is your distortions.
it comes straight from the book title “Crashing the Gateâ€.
That's a bald-faced lie. Nowhere on the book cover is the word 'insurgent' or 'insurgency' used. Check the cover if you don't believe me...
Surely, Jason, you can argue the merits and drawbacks of Markos' book without making things up...although Crashiing the Gate isn't even the topic at hand here....the topic is Newt Gingrich and his chickenhawk bullshit. How about we stay on-topic for a change?
August 6th, 2006 at 7:25 pmMost people posting here are liberals and I don’t see any evidence of anti-Semitism.
Check post #32 in the Israel thread at the top of the main page.
August 6th, 2006 at 7:30 pm#443, Trip,
I am not worked up over Kermit the blogger and his activities. I believe he creates an honest debate, whereas Raum Emanuel and the Clintons tell different stories to differnent people with a wink and a smile, as if to say, don't believe what I tell anybody else, just believe what I am saying to you.
Crashing the Gate is a metaphor for insurgency, which now seems to cause an image problem for Kermit the blogger, who is now trying to act is if he was mainstream all along. Very interesting, had they not over reacted to that accurate description, we would have never known their desire to no longer appear to be the cool outsiders, but as sensible mainstreamers.
August 6th, 2006 at 7:30 pmMonkey Tripe - I HATE train rides.....
August 6th, 2006 at 7:33 pmMr Hendler repeats himself over and over again. See posts 15, 42, 53, 356, 424 (identical wording to 356) and 439. He is really boring. Well, its 2 a.m. over here in Switzerland, I'll go for a nap. Goodnight and sweet dreams to all of you.
August 6th, 2006 at 7:34 pmOOPS!!! Where did little darien run off to...
Comment by circusfifthfloor
I noticed she bailed after someone asked if she was lying about not being the same Darien that stalked Ralph Reed.
August 6th, 2006 at 7:36 pmDarien sez:
Check post #32 in the Israel thread at the top of the main page.
See post #44 in the Israel thread to see why Darien Taylor is full of shit.
August 6th, 2006 at 7:37 pm#447, german,
It wasn't until post #426 that anyone addressed my direct statements, so I was free to express my views again and again.
August 6th, 2006 at 7:47 pm#449, not I'm not full of shit. As even you admitted in your post #44, "The post you referenced expressed disdain for Israel."
That validates my point. Liberals don't back Israel and they don't back Lieberman. They hate jews.
August 6th, 2006 at 7:57 pmDarien, you're making quite a fool of yourself in the Israel thread...there's really no need to spread your inanity over here.
August 6th, 2006 at 8:05 pmThey hate jews.
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 7:57 pm
Darien is mispelling "juice". She thinks that we hate juice. It's what neocons call puppy blood. In that case, Darien, you are correct, unlike you Righties and Joe Lieberman who love puppy blood, we liberals do not.
August 6th, 2006 at 8:05 pmwe liberals do not.
Who's the we? You got a mouse in your pocket?
August 6th, 2006 at 8:07 pmWho’s the we? You got a mouse in your pocket?
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 8:07 pm
Nope, don't like mouse blood either. You were right, liberals hate puppy blood. We hate your "juice".
Go home now.
August 6th, 2006 at 8:09 pmWe hate your “juiceâ€.
Who's the we? Do you have a conjoined twin or something?
August 6th, 2006 at 8:17 pmThe Republicans got nothin'.
August 6th, 2006 at 8:21 pmThey're shameless, two-bit promoters.
Always have been. Always will be.
Who’s the we? Do you have a conjoined twin or something?
Comment by Darien Taylor — August 6, 2006 @ 8:17 pm
You lumped all liberals together. That's the we.
Your memory isn't very good. Must be why you keep repeating yourself.
August 6th, 2006 at 8:23 pmDarien, you’re making quite a fool of yourself in the Israel thread…there’s really no need to spread your inanity over here.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Careful, TripMaster Monkey...Darien might put the bottle down and start stalking you! She sounds like she's beginning to come unglued now! Can you say Glenn Close?!!
August 6th, 2006 at 8:35 pmI'm just waiting for the secret police to whisk me off to a secret prison to be tortured for being an enemy of the state because I hold political opinions different from republicans.
why do republicans hate our way of life so much?
August 6th, 2006 at 8:36 pmTry forever after this. I was only paid to do this for the weekend.
Comment by Darien Taylor
DO WE NEED ANYMORE INFORMATION? WE HAVE ALLOWED THIS BITCH TO TAKE OVER ALL THE THREADS FOR ALMOST THE ENTIRE WEEKEND. STUPID, EH?
August 6th, 2006 at 8:42 pmZoo,
Who's the we? You have a mouse in your pocket? (hee? :)
Of course Darien was a paid shrill. I though that was rather obvious. She proves that people like to argue. Even with retarded strawmen sometimes... Keeps the mental pencils sharp.
I don't know, I guess those who are pissed off could just find another blog? Might be a lot of people who are pissed off about it - you know?
August 6th, 2006 at 8:55 pmmaybe we should see a class action law suit: the people of Connecticut vs. NewtG.
August 6th, 2006 at 8:56 pmhe renames basic American rights as "insurgency". it goes well beyond political discourse and having an opinion and well into defamation.
This is outrageous!
Hey Darien,
God is watching you. And He knows where you live.
Nervous?
August 6th, 2006 at 9:04 pmWho’s the we? You have a mouse in your pocket? (hee? :)
Comment by unbelievable
Someone peed in my pocket. :}
I can't believe we(e) allowed this shit to happen. I had nailed her as a parody early on, but I guess I never really believed people got paid to pull that shit. I am pissed off in a big way.
August 6th, 2006 at 9:04 pmDear Newt
I see your problem clearly. politicos that aren't part of the war machine are VERY DANGEROUS to you and you kind of Filth. Just think no legal campaign BRIBES. I TRULY THINK ALL THE NON CUT AND RUNNERS ( neocons, tv talking heads, etc. ) should all go to IRAQ and be a TRUE INSPIRATION TO OUR TROOPS. NEWT LEAD BY EXAMPLE GO TO IRAQ, BUT NOT FOR HOURS OR DAYS. STAY THE COURSE, DON'T COME HOME TILL THE FINAL VICTORY OR RUMMY AND CHENEY NUKE IRAN.
BY THE WAY NEWT ARE YOU RELATED TO A SALAMANDER?
RADAR178
August 6th, 2006 at 9:06 pmSomeone peed in my pocket. :}
Wasn't me...
I can’t believe we(e) allowed this shit to happen.
I guess after hanging out with teenage boys who joke about Stonehenge being the work of aliens or pretending to be a mute on the first day of school to see if I would get upset or riding bikes into my classroom after lunch, this sort of thing seems extraordinarily childish for Darien and those who paid her.
I also think that the trolls are so bad at what they do that really, they are doing the left a favor...
I had nailed her as a parody early on, but I guess I never really believed people got paid to pull that shit.
We are at war. And not in iraq. Here in the United States political system. These elementary school nerds grow up to be sociopathic control freaks who will stop at nothing to be in control of something to feel better about feeling so out of control in the rest of their lives.
I am pissed off in a big way.
Comment by Zooey — August 6, 2006 @ 9:04 pm
That's why i think Darien is actually helping liberals. We haven't been mad enough, you know?
August 6th, 2006 at 9:13 pmDoes owning a gun and not being a republican make me an insurgent?
August 6th, 2006 at 9:17 pmNewt Gingrich is the primary reason we have more horses asses in the USA than we have horses. Did Newt serve in the military during the Vietnam War? I didn't think so.
August 6th, 2006 at 9:20 pmOne more reason for the people of CT to vote their conscience!
August 6th, 2006 at 9:30 pmConnecticut Democrats: do you think Newt is representing your values?
sobit
"Connecticut Democrats: do you think Newt is representing your values?"
and if your answer is 'YES' most of this crowd will report to morg by wednesday morning!!!!!
August 6th, 2006 at 9:33 pmClearly, Newt supports Lieberman doesn’t he?
August 6th, 2006 at 9:37 pmIt's spelled Morq, OJ. Would you like it if I spelled your lord as 'gad'?
August 6th, 2006 at 9:38 pmbtruthfu
Oh, u back?
"I almost forgot"
... like u have memory?
August 6th, 2006 at 9:38 pmWhile attacking and insulting the People of CT, isn't he?
August 6th, 2006 at 9:41 pmDarien had a way bad case of "Trolliosis". Gob-flappers like that one, as well as others, who get paid NOT to shut it, ever, are like wet sand in my underwear. That is why I prefer to let them 'circle the bowl', knowing it will all 'go down', eventually. But I really hate those 'water saving' toilets, you end up using way more water, because it just keeps clogging up.
August 6th, 2006 at 9:51 pmunbeliev-able
"MA is atleast 15 different..."
r u drunk?
btru-thfu
Boring - who's she/he?
August 6th, 2006 at 9:55 pmCyra
Oh, look, Cyra's back.
what's bugging u?
August 6th, 2006 at 9:57 pmbtruthfu
your views are quite trivial - who's not damn is against damn.
what else?
August 6th, 2006 at 9:59 pmI think old Newt ought to get his draft dodger butt over to Iraq and start helping carry the message he's peddling here. When it was his time to server, during 'Nam old Newt was riding the draft dodger pony. Now, that he's safe he's full of venom and war talk.
August 6th, 2006 at 9:59 pmbtru-thfu
"...republican party is going to lose in November"
u don't c they'll win.
so, what are u gonna do on nov5?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:00 pmClearly this is the plan: to shame, and scare people into doing exactly what the Bush White House wants them to do. Which is, vote for the Republican's favorite Democrat, Lie-berman.
As long as everyone remains scared, shamed, and docile, and sits at home, and doesn't vote for Lamont, then the Bush White House will win again. Which is exactly what they want you to do, by using these emotionally charged words.
And if this "insurgent" American voters phrase keeps doing its magic, they'll keep using the word regarding the upcoming midterms, to try and instill fear in anyone who wants to vote Democrat, especially progressive Democrats who want change, like the majority of this country.
A vote for Lie-berman is a vote for Bush.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:01 pmbtru-thfu
JUST CONFESSED IN BEING MONGERING EXTREMIST
August 6th, 2006 at 10:02 pmInkadinkadont
"...vote for Bush" is what? a crime?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:03 pmbtru-thfu
Boring - who is she/he?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:04 pmbtru-thfu
"Judd, why do you continue to allow this extremist btru-thfu to derail the threads."
August 6th, 2006 at 10:06 pmZooey
Yo, bud. what's up?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:07 pmbtru-thfu
"Hate is the only card..." u have
August 6th, 2006 at 10:09 pmYo, bud. what’s up?
Comment by One Jew
Not much, how they hangin'?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:15 pmbtru-thfu
"Lieberman isn’t a conservative..." and if that is what you think then people in CT SHOULD NOT elect him to Senate. Right.
I'm really-really trying to figure out what is it that u wanna.
did i get it this time?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:16 pmBoy over 500 posts on Newt Gingrich? Wow he must want Lieberman to survive very badly > lol.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:26 pmin response to all of this, i ask:
who is it, exactly, that is making enemies of their fellow americans?
who are the first to point to their fellow countrymen and say "they are traitors"?
who are the ones that continually employ the age-old tactic of implying a domestic threat in order to demonize certain segments of the population of america?
in effect, who is it that is ramping up the fear and terror?
read the posts here.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:32 pmthe answer is self-evident.
If saying israel's government is commiting atrocities is anti-semitic. Then it's proof that following right wing ideologies makes your brain rot.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:37 pmNot much, how they hangin’?
Comment by Zooey
E-e-h.
Lousy kids.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:41 pmprogressive-sorrow sex
"the answer is self-evident."
e-e-e-eh....
do u mean to say: "Jews"?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:44 pmGod is a Nihilist
#510. say again?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:45 pmJay Randal
Hey-J.
Where's my cut?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:46 pmk, pups.
what else for tonight?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:47 pmNow kids, pack you toys, visit pots and chop-chop to bed.
be nice.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:48 pmLousy kids.
Comment by One Jew
Boys, eh?
August 6th, 2006 at 10:49 pmIsreali, Lebonese, and Iraqi civilians all have one thing in common: They are being murdered by a--h---s with guns and explosives.
Stupidity and madness.
There are few on left or right who isn't a fool. It's just that the right is taking the word to heights the human race may not survive.
Leibrman should just listen to Coulter and become a Republican.
August 6th, 2006 at 10:54 pmI think everyone is missing the real point of Newt's ranting. I believe this is a test run of the GOP strategy for the November elections. They are simply using Leiberman; if he loses it doesn’t really matter because he is a dem. They are simply testing the waters, so to speak, to see what will happen when they push their fear mongering this time. Be careful over-analyzing what is going on, they are counting on that to keep you confused. Only a calm levelheaded analysis will reveal the truth. Thanks for reading.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:05 pmyes that's basically correct, ibkozi. this is nothing more than a divide and conquer tactic.
whatever misgivings conservatives may have about gingrich's shaky past, he is still revered as one of the principle architects of the republican takeover in 1994. and if this strategy works, look for newt to start presenting himself as a viable candidate for the 2008 nomination.
ergh.
August 6th, 2006 at 11:20 pmI feel like such a target.
bring it on
August 6th, 2006 at 11:37 pmIf Gingrich thinks there's an "insurgency" in Connecticut, he might start thinking of wearing bullet-proof vests any time he goes out in public. Because there's lot of people all across the country that think the Iraq war might be the worst idea ever of all time ...
Cheers,
August 6th, 2006 at 11:59 pmthat's fantastic foreign policy advice, palpatine. tell me, should we unleash our fleet of star destroyers on the entire middle east? i happen to think a small team of jedis would be able to do the job just fine.
incidentally, joe lieberman looks like you.
August 7th, 2006 at 12:34 amI think palpatine was being sarcastic rex.
August 7th, 2006 at 12:37 ami think i was too!
August 7th, 2006 at 12:45 amMaybe Gingrich should send his own children to fight if he feels the cause in Iraq is so just
August 7th, 2006 at 12:50 amWhy do people have faith in congressmen who refuse to sacrifice for their country? That alone should clue people in about their real intentions. BTW In my opinion, anyone who puts their party before their country is a traitor to their nation and a terrorist fighting against democracy. It seems to me the repubs say that there are 2 choices for us, either we lose our freedoms to terror or we must hand them over to the repubs. Either way we lose. We must stand up for our rights and keep them, from terrorist or repubs. Both seem to want them to go away for their own reasons. Bush and Osama are really fighting for the same thing, the end of democracy. Just my drunken opinion.
August 7th, 2006 at 1:16 ami don't think most people do have faith in their congressmen, hence the low rate of voter participation in america. the real question is "why do people have faith in a democracy in which they refuse to participate?"
and this lack of participation suits the powers that be just fine. they can rile up their bases and turn them out, and here we are, america the partisan, ruled by the extreme ideologies of right and left (well really only right at this point in time). the rational debate is thrown out the window and all we hear are the "ultimate truths" of partisanship, which only serves to feed the apathy even further. and the media do nothing to moderate the debate, or fact-check, or call anyone from either side on a bald-faced lie.
as long as americans can still drive their suv's up to blockbuster and pick up the new adam sandler flick, they think everything is fine. leave all that crazy politics stuff to the ideological whackos.
and it serves those already in power remarkably well.
August 7th, 2006 at 1:28 amso let me re cap on what i read here... if I'm a lib I'm a jew hater(Darien Taylor) and One Jew doesn't like anyone. Big Joe will not get elected because of one thing.. he stated that he was going to run as an independant if he lost. I know in connecticut (I live there) that folks are looking some one to stop with the get elected at all costs bs.. you campain your arse off and if you lose so be it then you help out the parties canidate. Joe thinks he owns the seat and I say to Joe after 30 years take a break and let a young warrior pick up the fight.
August 7th, 2006 at 2:21 amLiberals despise jews. And they consider Lieberman to be an arrogant jew. And they will never stand for anybody like Lieberman standing up for Israel to defend itself against Islamic terrorists.
Comment by Darien Taylor —
To Darien,
August 7th, 2006 at 2:22 amYou keep on repeating your "liberal hate Jews" and "liberals voted for Nader in 2000" mantra but can offer nothing as proof. Futrhermore, I consider myself a liberal; I didn't vote for Nader (nor Bush) in 2000; my Congressman in California is a Jew, as are my two Senators, Feinstein and Boxer. In fact, by my count, the Democrats have 9 Jews in the Senate; Boxer, Feinstein, Feingold, Kohl, Levin, Lautenberg, Lieberman, Schumer and Wyden; the Republicans just Coleman and Specter. How do you tie that in with the liberals' so-called hatred of Jews?
Incidentally, one side of my family is mostly Jewish, and most of my favorite relatives are among them. I believe that Israel has a right to exist, though I may not always agree with some of its policies. If I were in Connecticut, I would probably vote against Lieberman--not because of his pro-Israel stance and most definitely not because he is a Jew--but because of his support for the war in Iraq. I have the feeling that most Lamont supporters feel the same way.
When will Bush deploy troops to Connecticut?? We must meet this threat head on. I just read the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Connecticut and it sounds like they have WMDs. We must act now.
August 7th, 2006 at 2:24 amNewt "I can't keep a wedding vow to save my life" Gingrich has already told the republican party he wants to be their Presidential candidate in 2008.
The upside of his calling "American Citizens exercising their right to vote for the candidate they feel represents their views" insurgents is that numerous Republicans I know and having been discussing the elections with have now realised their party has lost its mind and will be voting a straight democratic ticket.
August 7th, 2006 at 5:43 am[...] –On Fox News Newt Gingrich said: “a legitimate insurgency in Connecticut, which needs to be met head on and debated head on, which is people who say this is so hard, it is so frightening, it’s so painful, can’t we come home and hide? And I think if Lamont wins next Tuesday, it will be the beginning of extraordinarily important period in American politics, and in American history. For all of us to have this debate. How dangerous are the terrorists? How dangerous are the dictatorships? And what does America have to do in that kind of a dangerous world?” Is he urging that if Lieberman wins the GOP frame this debate in a way to suggest that Democrats don’t think terrorists are very dangerous? What would that mean to Democrats and how will they counter that? [...]
August 7th, 2006 at 7:33 am[...] This is… interesting. Third, you have what I think is a legitimate insurgency in Connecticut, which needs to be met head on and debated head on, which is people who say this is so hard, it is so frightening, it’s so painful, can’t we come home and hide? And I think if Lamont wins next Tuesday, it will be the beginning of extraordinarily important period in American politics, and in American history. For all of us to have this debate. How dangerous are the terrorists? How dangerous are the dictatorships? And what does America have to do in that kind of a dangerous world? [...]
August 7th, 2006 at 8:17 amTwo thoughts come to mind for me this morning. We seem to living in a "Lord of the Flies" world lately.
The vietnam story started with how we were saving the world from bad people, and eventually those who were for it continuing went to the "peace with honor" route. This sounds just like the quote above
If you are a bully your most humiliating fate is the be shown to be less than invincible.
August 7th, 2006 at 8:27 am# 538 Plunger:
Utter nonsense or sarcasm, heh?
August 7th, 2006 at 8:48 amTo those that think all liberals hate jews. You couldn't be more wrong. I for one dislike the Zionists and what they are doing to this country and the whole planet. Most of them are jewish but not all. And it was Al Gore that ran for prez in 2000, not LIEberman. Al Gore was running for prez with Joe LIEbeman as his running mate. Remember? LIEbeman is a rethuglican. Now he's posing as a dem. These S O B's will do anything to keep their power. I wouldn't vote for LIEberman. Not because he's jewish but because he's a Zionist as are most of the Jews that have invaded the WH.
August 7th, 2006 at 9:31 amOne Jew,
the lefties here are supportes of Hizbollah and Islamic fascist. They think Bush is worst thean the President of Iran!
Comment by Emperor Palpatine
Yes. Most certainly so.
The trick is - just let them talk, they say all about themselves.
In fact, what you have said has been explicitly confirmed by many from this crowd themselves.
The other line they follow is - some are openly repeat after the presidents of iran and malaysia that they are anti-Semites and see Israel destroyed in their high dreams.
It is not "fashionable" to openly declare one's anti-Semitism as it was in 1930's.
So, them invented a neo-anti-Semitism by the talk of anti-Israel.
Behind all the noise them make here - it is all quite simple indeed.
Right, Tyrant-o-Soros Pax?
August 7th, 2006 at 10:15 amThe trick is - just let them talk, they say all about themselves.
Really? Let me reiterate my unashamed Israel bashing stance:-)
Israel because of it's history has monopolized victimhood to such a sickening degree, that it is "politically incorrect" to point out their crimes, because that is considered "anti-semitic". I do not want to kill Israelies or destroy Israel, and I condem those that do.
However, I reject the idea that Isreal should continue to be handled with kid gloves because of history. I reject the idea that the holocaust belongs to them, it was an atrocity against humans. It belongs to us all, and I have zero hesitation in using it to highlight their monstrous hypocrisy. It is a perverse irony that they use the tragedy of the holocaust, the strong destroying the weak, as cover for their crimes.
They have bascially destroyed Lebanon as an object lesson (which will go unlearned, such lessons always do), literally taken 1000 civilians at random and killed them. If that doesn’t make you a Nazi what does?
August 7th, 2006 at 10:39 amIt is indeed as fashionable to declare one's anti-Semitism now as it was in the 1930's. Go to KKK or Arayan Nation websites and see the naked anti-Semitism on display there. Call any of the people on those sites "liberal" and see how they react.
No state is above criticism, no matter if it's Vanuatu, Costa Rica, Turkmenistan, Canada, Hungary or Israel. If I condemn Mugabe's razing of neighborhoods in Zimbabwe, I don't think that it means that I have it in for Zimbabwians in general or any of its ethnic groups. Because the Bush Administration describe themselves as Christians, criticizing the Administration's energy policies doesn't mean I'm against Christianity. Saying that Fidel Castro has a rotten human rights record isn't the same as saying Latin Americans are subhuman. Disagreeing with my dad doesn't mean that I'm against the institution of fatherhood or parenting. Disagreeing with Ehud Olmert's position on settlements doesn't mean that I wish he and his culture, his co-religionists as well as all the people who speak his language or live in his state would dissappear.
Criticizing a country's individual policies does not automatically equal bigotry. You can criticize me, a liberal American. That means you wish for my death? That means you hate liberals and liberalism(something which is most definately fashionable)? Does criticizing me mean that you hate America? Does criticizing me mean, by extension, that you agree with Osama Bin Ladin?
August 7th, 2006 at 10:43 amBrian Coughlan
just do what the WaltTheMan does:
right it short and right to the point:
come out clean, will u?
u r not a coward, or r u?
August 7th, 2006 at 12:12 pmGeesh, I've heard of road rage, but this post really brought out the "mouse" rage in people. Sign of a good post
August 7th, 2006 at 12:13 pmWhat gives with Lieberman's rising numbers in the latest polls in CT?? The radical wing of the Dems is grappling with their collective conscience??? This is TOO much fun....
August 7th, 2006 at 12:54 pmDavid Carlisle
#546. Finally some reason talks.
I mean it in a good way.
I indeed do appreciate a worthy opponent.
Your points are well taken. I share them all.
You call me - I answer:
"…you hate liberals and liberalism?†– No I do not.
One could not possibly hate Colmes for he is a very well-hearted person.
I hope us (YOU and I) could raise the subject of what criticism is being percepted as, what is it and what does it mean.
It is a huge subject. In short for now – criticism is related to tolerance that in turn is one of the foundations of democratic society.
I did say before on this site and I will reinsert:
It does not matter what party wins the election or what company wins the market share.
What matters is – The USA and The Democracy wins.
Every election in The USA is a victory of The People of The USA.
For as long as there is a competition in the market place The People of The USA continue to win every day.
This IS an ongoing process.
Many take this process as granted and when them do then I say - do not spit in a well you drink from.
DO NOT.
I’ve seen (as you might have) a collapse of institutions that at times seem invincible.
One keeps shaking the boat – IT MIGHT SINK.
Now, ask oneself – DO YOU WANT THE USA TO SINK.
Just answer the question then think it over.
One could not possibly have a clue what a true disaster might mean.
Disasters do happen, remember?
Now, David Carlisle – I called you, Sir.
Would you care to answer the call?
August 7th, 2006 at 12:55 pmOne Jew obviously gets paid per post.
And he's successful at hijacking and giving me such tired head I tune out.
Nice job, paid blogger?
August 7th, 2006 at 12:55 pmNewt - you and your neocon cult shoulda thought of that stuff a long time ago. Your time is limited, no matter how much garbage you spew.
August 7th, 2006 at 1:05 pmDieNowForPeace
How about u go and do what u say u will.
August 7th, 2006 at 1:07 pmJ C
you spew
August 7th, 2006 at 1:10 pmMaybe an insurgency IS needed...in Vermont and the other 49 states.
V
August 7th, 2006 at 1:15 pmYes "one jew" is still using victimhood as leverage, just look as his name.
August 7th, 2006 at 1:28 pmHey maybe the citizens of Connecticut will get sick of the democrats acting stupid and destroying themselves by trying to out-liberal one another and elect a republican.
August 7th, 2006 at 2:26 pmI still don't know why most Jews vote for Democrats and are registered Democrats. It makes no sense at all. At least Bush supports Israel.
Whether you like Newt or hate Newt, you have to admit he's a great speaker and debater. He thinks on his feet probably better than any politician in our lifetime. Not only does he think fast, but he articulates his thoughts better than any current politician. He's a very bright guy.
August 7th, 2006 at 3:23 pmWow, this "Jason M Hender" cat has some issues:
Both he and Bill Crystal laid out the different permutations moving forward,
Yeah, but Newt was a terrible host at the Oscars.
You discuss talking points that have absolutely NO affect on the Republican base.
You're right - our talking points should make the base more emotional.
Excellent point, which is why I don’t think Newt was using the term “insurgent†in a derogatroy fashion,
Hmm. A minute ago I thought you were illiterate. Now I think you are also drunk.
One Jew says: I know some people can not pronounce Bush. These people pronounce Bu-Bush instead. That’s OK. Every one is entitled to have deficiencies.
Thankfully he's only one, as he freely admits. Of course, he's obviously one of those who
still pronounces Clinton "bu-but Clinton!", so perhaps he knows something about the matter.
Then again he says:
DieNowForPeace
How about u go and do what u say u will.
OK, dude, I'm going to go Patton on you here - it's not about dying for peace, it's about making the other bastard - you - die for it. You do bear arms in service of the cause, right?
Holy shit, the paid trolls are becoming more and more obvious. But I do wonder why they remain so witless. Are these the best trolls money can buy?
Yet, the volunteer ones are worse:
One Jew,
the lefties here are supportes of Hizbollah and Islamic fascist. They think Bush is worst thean the President of Iran!
Comment by Emperor Palpatine — August 6, 2006 @ 11:57 pm
I don't know if I qualify as a "leftie here", but I don't support Hizbollah, or - unlike the Rightist trolls, ANY type of fascism. Not even "the good kind". Yet, frankly, I don't see much of a distinction between Bush and the "President of Iran" (who apparently has no name). Both are religious zealots with big mouths and no common sense. Both would apparently like to use nuclear weapons to bring about the end of the earth because they believe they will be specially "saved" by God for doing this. I pray they are both equally unsuccessful in their aims.
But, in the marathon of the witless, a new winner has emerged, "I Hate Liberals":
Hey maybe the citizens of Connecticut will get sick of the democrats acting stupid
and destroying themselves by trying to out-liberal one another and elect a republican.
Talk about missing the point. The voters of Conneticut are w