‘I have the blood of American troops on my hands.’
By on Aug 8th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
‘I have the blood of American troops on my hands.’
Reporter and “Fiasco” author Tom Ricks: “I asked one officer why are you talking to me about these things, and he looked down at his hands, and he said because I have the blood of American troops on my hands. And I said what do you mean? And he said because when I said to Rumsfeld we need that division, and Rumsfeld said no, I gave up. I compromised. And he said U.S. troops died because of that. And he said that’s why I’m talking to you. … And he was practically crying as he spoke to me about this.”
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This puts the lie to “We listen to the officers in the field” talking point.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:33 pmLets just bring our men/women home. Like Michael Moore said, “Will they ever trust us again.”
August 8th, 2006 at 5:35 pmThis is what happens when a scared little man with no military experience calls himself a war president.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:36 pmWow! Powerful stuff.
Only the heartless would send our children off to die willy-nilly like the Bush Cabal has.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:42 pmHewitt has a point, since the alleged source can’t be named. However , if the identity of the soldier becomes known, he can be court martialed for speaking ill of his superiors, so Ricks has a point as well.
Fortunately, the testimony of this soldier is not really necessary…Rumsfeld’s criminal conduct speaks quite elequoently for itself.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:42 pmHeck of a job,Rummy.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:42 pmOnly the heartless would send our children off to die willy-nilly like the Bush Cabal has.
Try soulless.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:43 pm# 4. J.C.G.of W.
The “conflict” was supposed to be a cakewalk with flowers and candies;don’t you remember?
August 8th, 2006 at 5:47 pmWith the Chimp-n-
August 8th, 2006 at 5:48 pmchief on vacation, maybe the Iraq war could just relax in the shade awhile with a bucket of margaritas until His Holeyness comes back to his desk. Just a suggestion.
#7 – Try soulless.
That works well for me.
When I first read the officer’s comments, I thought about how much heart he put into his statements. But I see you may be more correct. I now think the officer was speaking from his very soul. That is what for me is so moving about his comments.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:49 pmI’m afraid we’re only just beginning to hear about all of the horrors of what has gone on the past 3 years. These people are going to come home scarred with severe emotional and psychological problems. Books will be written and movies will be made – just like after Vietnam. I hope their families and friends are ready.
When the truths are finally told about all the stuff that happened that is kept secret by the people who know but don’t dare tell because they would lose their careers, it’s going to blow us all away. I’m afraid we only know tiny pieces of how ugly this whole story is.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:49 pm#8 – The “conflict†was supposed to be a cakewalk with flowers and candies;don’t you remember?
Indeed, I do remember. Clearly. All too clearly.
My son went off for three months to be greeted as a liberator in Iraq. The Bush Cabal promised this. They promised my son would only be in Iraq to secure the handover of power (to whom? I can’t even remember) and then he’d be home.
Instead, my son spent one and a half YEARS! in the searing heat of the Iraqi desert. He was shot at. They nearly blew him up. They never let him sleep.
He knows who did this to him. Which is why he went as a staunch conservative and returned home a staunch liberal.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:52 pmRumsfeld is an obscene human being. God help us all. I am so angry. Bush….Rove……Rumsfeld…..Cheny…….etc.
What horrors. America…..where are you? Where are you really………
August 8th, 2006 at 5:54 pm#9
Thanks for the recommended reading list, Susan.
I frequently cite the Thomas Ricks’ interview of Norman Schwarzkopf ( “Desert Caution” – Washington Post ) – since every one of his pre-invasion concerns have turned into a reality.
It is insane that his advice ( which came from others who were politically friendly – i.e., fellow republicans ) was ignored.
Thanks for pointing out the other books as well.
August 8th, 2006 at 5:59 pm#12- It’s your worst nightmare. For real.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:04 pmI don’t know if I will scream or if I will cry.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:09 pmThis is insanity, people are dying, and as the White House denies everything, people like Hewitt accuse anyone who speaks out as lying.
How many soldiers and officers are irreparably harmed, mentally, for the Bush/Rummy fiasco? I agree with ; we have only begun to see the ramifications of this crime. The conscienceless-less war criminals will likely never be punished, but their soldiers will neverget over it.
JCGoW – glad your son is back home – hope he is all right.
Wow! Powerful stuff.
Comment by Jesus Christ God of WAR — August 8, 2006 @ 5:42 pm
I agree. One tries to think that war is awful, but never like the real testimonies of people who are directly involved. We, humans, should extinct.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:11 pmWhen will the Bushco ever learn that facts don’t have expiration dates. They can lie forever, or at least until January 20, 2007, and the facts will still be facts and they will still be liars.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:15 pmThe giant papier mache wise owl in the the Bohemian Grove reminds Rummy and his fellow leaders(?) every year that to care is to be weak, and then they torch it, dance and sing.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:16 pmThis is the kind of story I used to hear from friends who served in Vietnam. Yet another generation of soldiers are being destroyed both physically and emotionally by a phoney war. Time rto start thinking of war crimes trials for the Bush administration rather than impeachment.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:18 pmOK, I’m really angry.
All the hoopla that has been going on today with the Lieberman/Lamont Primary, and TP has ***nothing***?
So Lindsey freakin Lohan is more important than the mess Lieberman is trying to create to keep his seat?
August 8th, 2006 at 6:23 pmGood point trueblue.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:28 pmRumsfeld should be arrested.
http://www.theworstpresidentever.org
August 8th, 2006 at 6:29 pmhttp://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/impeachGBres.html
This impeachment resolution was drafted in 2003, and it outlines sufficient cause to initiate impeachment proceedings. Perhaps Dubya & Company’s strategy for avoiding impeachment is to continually commit impeachable offenses, thus keeping their detractors busy continually drafting updated impeachment resolutions.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:32 pmAnother mea culpa from the Fog of War.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:34 pmWhat the hell is up with Hugh Hewitt? I’ve heard a great comparison to him…Baghdad Bob. Very appropriate. “There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!” Hugh and the wingnuts are really starting to sound deranged. They will look back 10 years from now and be humiliated by how dumb they were.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:41 pm#21 / 22
All that is out ( at via Google, CNN etc. ) is this type of stuff – nothing solid re: results.
“Voter turnout breaking records
HARTFORD — Voting is likely to hit, and possibly exceed, 50 percent — an-all time record for a primary in Connecticut — according to Connecticut Secretary of State Susan Bysiewicz.
That’s based on statewide numbers after 3 p.m., which was higher than 25 percent. Turnout usually doubles between the hours of 4 p.m. to 8 p.m., Bysiewicz said.
Today’s primary between U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman and Ned Lamont is the hottest contest in the country. ”
Basically nothing …
Nothing on the WTNH.com site either ( ABC News – Hartford ).
So it looks like we are stuck with “Lindsay” for awhile until some exit polls are published.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:46 pmSullivan had an excellent post on this Ricks-Hewitt spar today:
http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/08/quote_for_the_d_5.html
August 8th, 2006 at 6:47 pm
#20 – It took me a couple of months in Nam before I realized the lie that we were trying to “win” the war. There are so many similarities it is bizarre! Every person you see may be the enemy waiting to blow you away. One year of that is a lot, but these troops are on their second, third deployment. Drop Bush and buddies off at the Baghdad airport and have them hoof it to the Green Zone. If they make it (Oddsmakers say 1000 to 1 they don’t) maybe they’ll start listening…
August 8th, 2006 at 6:47 pmThe Brass at the Pentagon keep on saying that things are just swell. These “people” that are planning this thing in Iraq with Rumsfeld should be included as the criminal elements that never started with a plan and still have no plan for the non-commissioned officers that are fighting in Iraq. Afghanistan is falling apart as well. $500 Billion for this? Let’s not forget the war enablers on boths sides either. There is a lot of talk but little action. Everyone knows that talk in D.C. is just for appearances only.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:48 pmSo it looks like we are stuck with “Lindsay†for awhile until some exit polls are published.
Comment by Killer Whale
So you haven’t heard all the crap from Lieberman’s camp trying to invalidate the primary?
August 8th, 2006 at 6:51 pmIt’s not the results, it’s the drama that’s been going on all day from Lieberman.
Hello? Hello?!
August 8th, 2006 at 6:55 pmIs thing on?
Anybody heard anything about Vichy Joe making plans to divide the dewnicrats in November? What a political midget!
Yeah – trueblue – I know about the “hacking” accusations …
Are you saying that Joe knows the numbers, knows he is losing and is trying to invalidate …
or
Is he just trying to blindly invalidate – just assuming that he is a loser based on the polls?
August 8th, 2006 at 6:55 pmI would guess Joe is looking for any and all excuses in case of a loss. Very lame.
I guess he also said he would run as an independent in the general election if he lost. How did CT wind up with this bozo?
August 8th, 2006 at 6:59 pm#33 Vichy Joe’s got the MSM eating outa his sweaty palm. His website took an upturn in activity and cound’t handle the volume. He’s a little slow with the truth; truth is he should have anticipated the higher volume and got a big server…but the implied accusation of Lamont’s people hacking his site works better. Same thing all the other neocon fascist “K” street sugardaddies do…it’s just business.
August 8th, 2006 at 7:04 pm#33 Killer Whale:
Yeah – trueblue – I know about the “hacking†accusations …
Try this for chuckles…. JoeMentum apparently pays $15/month for his website. Hell, even I pay more than that and no one wants to see mine….
Cheers,
August 8th, 2006 at 7:15 pmAtrios is reporting from the field that turnout is very high in Lamont wards, and low in Lieberman wards.
They claim to have people at every polling place. I, for one, hope they are right.
A little personal interest. They report that a father and son showed up. The father stated he was voting for Lamont because he did not want to send his son off to war.
Maybe, just maybe, the anti-war stuff is working in CT.
August 8th, 2006 at 7:23 pm#36
and #31
Wow …. that is unbelievable ….. Thanks for that, Arne.
True Blue – if you haven’t already – check out the #36 link.
If this is actually the deal – Joe’s has nothing to do if he loses but think long and hard about life as an independent.
Too bad this didn’t make the MSM early in the day !
Okay – now – Has anyone heard any numbers?
August 8th, 2006 at 7:26 pmThanks, everyone!
August 8th, 2006 at 7:33 pmI’ve been flitting back and forth from other sites to here….
thanks for the great info!
On topic,
I have wanted to read Fiasco, and “The Last True Story I’ll Ever Tell’, but some sense of doom overcomes me each time. Guess I ‘can’t handle the truth’! Am working on Conservatives Without Conscience, though.
I’ll check back with something…
August 8th, 2006 at 7:37 pmKiller Whale,
August 8th, 2006 at 7:57 pmGo to http://www.dailykos.com/
They have an update, plus will be on Keith Olbermman @ 8:00,…which is now… I’m gone!
Look what I found on the posting section at Seixon’s blog:
(Snip)
Seixon:
Was that you posting last night on the Hannity and Combs thread at T.P.?
Dr.Sinker thinks not;but Mr. Jay BRandal is all in a tissy.
[Yes, it was me. DrSinker was just playing a game to piss me off into leaving. Juvenile. -Seixon]
Posted by: shaman at August 8, 2006 09:42 AM
-GSD
August 8th, 2006 at 8:13 pmhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/8/201651/6476
for lieberman / lamont results
GSD,
August 8th, 2006 at 8:19 pmI gathered there was some crap going on last night; trolls posting as regulars’. So Seixon admitted to impersonating Jay?
I just went to Joe’s website. Working now. I fail to see how a website makes 2 shits of a difference in a primary vote anyway. What a douchbag, he deserves to lose just based on the fact that he acts like incumbency is a gift from God.
Sorry Joe, but when you turn your back on the party and they challenge you and vote you out, that is just the system working the way that it’s SUPPOSED to work.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:20 pm‘I have the blood of American troops on my hands.’
Oh my god, that is heartbreaking. That poor guy will take that to his grave.
It will only get worse.
Resign immediately, Rumsfeld. As if…
August 8th, 2006 at 8:21 pmWow. Am I the only one on topic? That’s unusual. ;)
August 8th, 2006 at 8:25 pmZooey,
August 8th, 2006 at 8:28 pmShhhhhh!
You’ll get us all banned! :)
“And these faux neocon enablers, the infinitely understanding and supportive pillars of Right Blogostan society who with strenuous serenity look down on the carnage on the street from their balconies, are the loud, sour, ugly and snarky Steve Buscemi apologists who provide us with the only comic relief in this virtually unrelieved horror show of this Quentin Tarantino administration.â€
All this plus the campaign speech that Bush should’ve given back in 1999 and would it have made a difference if he’d had such a Bulworth moment in From Pottersville To its Sister City, Pamplona. Hopefully, this will entertain you until official word comes out that Lamont will win the CT primary.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:30 pmWTF? no exit polls in Ct?
August 8th, 2006 at 8:36 pmEasier to manipulate, I spoze.
http://web.wtnh.com/2006voteprimary/race200.html
a news channel in CT
August 8th, 2006 at 8:38 pmlet’s see how the Republicans spin this news..
did you guys see the video?
August 8th, 2006 at 8:40 pmhttp://www.politicalwire.us/buchanan-slams-neocons/
You’ll get us all banned! :)
Comment by trueblue
You’re trying to lure me off topic — I’m writing Judd. (I crack myself up.)
Besides, you won’t get banned, you’ll gain disapproval. *eyes rolling*
August 8th, 2006 at 8:41 pmLET’S GO JOE! LET’S GO JOE!
August 8th, 2006 at 8:41 pmLamont, Aunt Ester,Fred Sanford,whoever, I’d vote for the dog catcher before I’d vote for Lieberman if I lived in CT.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:42 pmHey, can someone point me to the post on Think Progress regarding the Muslim who went into a Jewish Center and shot innocent women in the name of Islam? Thanks!
August 8th, 2006 at 8:43 pm#56
August 8th, 2006 at 8:48 pmSee the archives that border this page?
Take yer time…I’d fact check it tho.
On March 27, 2003, Tom Ricks reported in The Washington Post that the Coalition advance to Baghdad was bogged down. Tom Lehrer described it thusly:
JIM LEHRER: Col. Gardiner, does that kind of thing, for instance, The Washington Post had a front page story by Tom Ricks who is very plugged in, their Pentagon reporter for many years, who essentially said that now the military commanders are preparing for a much longer war than they had anticipated because of what may happen in Baghdad.
A little over a week later Baghdad fell without much of a fight.
Ricks was either embarassingly wrong or incompetent. There is no reason to believe this melodramatic scene he describes. Hewitt is correct in being skeptical. Ricks is not an objective reporter. He is an activist with an agenda.
There are indeed serious problems in Iraq. No one denies that. But, given his track record, I think we can pretty much dismiss this account by Ricks.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:50 pmDidn’t see it in the archives. I would have thought such an important story would have had deep intelectual thought by the people of Think Progress. Guess Tom Delay stories were more important.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:51 pmWell, maybe if you went to the archives of Think Regress, you’d find it, asshat.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:54 pmBesides, you won’t get banned, you’ll gain disapproval. *eyes rolling*
Comment by Zooey
But then I’ll feel bad!
August 8th, 2006 at 8:56 pmAsshat? Nice.
So it is progressive to become a Muslim and kill Jews? And that is why it isn’t a post? Oh….okay.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:57 pmRicks caught in another lie:
On Hewitt’s show, Ricks had to ‘fess up to yet another gross inaccuracy, this one he disseminated on CNN the previous day:
HH: Great to have you here. I want to spend the vast bulk of our time on Fiasco and Iraq, but first, yesterday, you were on with Howard Kurtz’ Reliable Sources, CNN, and in response to a question, you said that some military analyst had told you that Israel had, “purposefully left pockets of Hezbollah rockets in Lebanon, because as long as they’re being rocketed, they can continue to have a sort of moral equivalency in their operations in Lebanon.” That was reported on Powerline, Rush Limbaugh read it on the air today, quite a controversy. Anything to add to it, Thomas Ricks?
TR- Yeah, I wish I’d kept my mouth shut. What I said was accurate, that in an off-the-record conversation with some military analysts, a couple had said to me that they thought it was a smart strategy to leave some rocket pockets in place to help the Israelis shape public perceptions, and give their forces more freedom of maneuver in Lebanon. They weren’t saying it was a bad strategy. They thought it was pretty intelligent, if it were the case. But I’ve since heard today from some very smart, well-informed people, that while such a strategy might be logical, and even morally defensible, that they thought the Israeli public just wouldn’t stand for it, and they also expressed personal dismay to me that I had passed on the thought, which they thought was irresponsible. (emphasis added)
HH: Do you want to name any of the analysts?
TR: No, it was an off-the-record conversation, and I want to honor that confidence.
Yes, Mr. Ricks, we ALL wish you would keep your mouth shut unless you have something truthful or accurate to say.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:02 pmBut then I’ll feel bad!
Comment by trueblue
Pffft!
Something to give up for Lent, or New Year’s, whichever is next. :)
August 8th, 2006 at 9:02 pmBeavercleaver….
Here, let me give you a link to the story….
http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20060806-094912-4955r.htm/20060806-094912-4955r.htm
August 8th, 2006 at 9:04 pmIrish Catholic upbringing in action, Zooey…
August 8th, 2006 at 9:05 pmIrish Catholic upbringing in action, Zooey…
Comment by trueblue
Irish (good)
August 8th, 2006 at 9:08 pmCatholic (run!)
Hi, Zoo and true…
August 8th, 2006 at 9:12 pmCan I be off topic, too?
Juan C
August 8th, 2006 at 9:17 pmQuick! Before they catch us!…
No one wants to talk about it? I thought I could have at least sparked a debate about gun control…..or women’s rights. But gee….guess it doesn’t fit within the progressive agenda so the story will be buried. Too bad too….it could have sparked a great debate.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:18 pmCan I be off topic, too?
Comment by Juan C
Yes, Juan, but please understand that it was trueblue who first hijacked the thread, not me — for once.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:20 pmOh, Exley is here…damn, can we just be off topic peacefully? :)
Hi, Exley.
OK, Irish: St. Patricks, shamrocks, the island of the seals (it was a movie I guess, a legend about men/women-seals), green, booze, rugby…cute women…what else?
August 8th, 2006 at 9:20 pmRegressive,
August 8th, 2006 at 9:21 pmWe can’t do the work for you.
You want to bring it up? It was all over MSM. Pick one. Copy or link the story. Give us your compelling arguement, thesis, whatever, then we’ll discuss….
Where was the post for Think Progress on the topic?
August 8th, 2006 at 9:22 pmCan I be off topic, too?
Comment by Juan C
Yes, Juan, but please understand that it was trueblue who first hijacked the thread, not me — for once.
Comment by Zooey
WOW!!
Can someone please take this blade out of my back? Thanks.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:22 pmJuan,
Are you asking what else is the Irish legacy?
Simple:
August 8th, 2006 at 9:24 pmGuilt!
Can someone please take this blade out of my back? Thanks.
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 9:22 pm
Ok, ladies, calm down. If Judd comes in, I´ll say it was me who hijacked this thread.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:25 pm*Celine Dion´s singing while ship sinks, please*
hey wait a minute,….
you said cute women in there….
are you flirting with me?!!? :)
August 8th, 2006 at 9:26 pmSimple:
Guilt!
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 9:24 pm
why? Dylan McDermott?
August 8th, 2006 at 9:27 pmCan someone please take this blade out of my back? Thanks.
Comment by trueblue
No knife, trueblue, you are currently under a bus. :)
OK, Irish: St. Patricks, shamrocks, the island of the seals (it was a movie I guess, a legend about men/women-seals), green, booze, rugby…cute women…what else?
Comment by Juan C
Potatoes and Irish tenors.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:27 pmare you flirting with me?!!? :)
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 9:26 pm
But a little too white, right?
August 8th, 2006 at 9:28 pm*Celine Dion´s singing while ship sinks, please*
Comment by Juan C
You start that, and I’m outta here.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:28 pmHA!!! That’s FUNNY!!!!
No, it links with Catholicism. Never even think about sex, you’ll go to Hell and burn forever!
August 8th, 2006 at 9:29 pmSass mom and dad, burn in Hell!
Go against a male (if you’re a woman), burn
etc., etc., etc.,
CNN says Lieberman has just pulled ahead
August 8th, 2006 at 9:30 pmare you flirting with me?!!? :)
Comment by trueblue
Um, I can leave…
But a little too white, right?
Comment by Juan C
What?
August 8th, 2006 at 9:30 pmI don’t understand when you said “But a little too white”.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:32 pmI know I burn if exposed to all of 30 minutes in the sun. Is that what you mean, Juan?
If so, YUP!
Zooey,
Cut it out, Yenta!!!
I’m checking CT stations, BRB!
August 8th, 2006 at 9:34 pmDon’t go, Juan. (no comments, zooey…)
Go against a male (if you’re a woman), burn
etc., etc., etc.,
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 9:29 pm
Ha! You know, here in Mexico, there is the legend of the Virgin of Guadalupe (a fusion between native´s beliefs and catholicism to appease natives when spaniards came in) And women tend to be really conservative about sex, precisely because virginity is seen as a virtue. (Damn the Virgin!)
What?
Comment by Zooey — August 8, 2006 @ 9:30 pm
Irish women…they are really white, arent they? Just asking…nothing wrong.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:35 pmUm, I can leave…
Comment by Zooey — August 8, 2006 @ 9:30 pm
You stay right there, please. We are just messing around. :)
August 8th, 2006 at 9:37 pmJuan,
August 8th, 2006 at 9:40 pmIrish in general are really pale.
I refer to my skin as “milk-bottle” white.
Irish women…they are really white, arent they? Just asking…nothing wrong.
Comment by Juan C
Ok, now I see what you meant.
Damn the Virgin!
Did you just get struck by lightening? :-D
Trueblue says I’m not to make any comments — I wonder why? Yenta? Who?
August 8th, 2006 at 9:40 pmSorry to ask this…whats Yenta?
August 8th, 2006 at 9:41 pmI refer to my skin as “milk-bottle†white.
Comment by trueblue
I refer to mine as pasty white rice cake white. We’re different out west…
You stay right there, please. We are just messing around. :)
Comment by Juan C
Hey, I’m a Yenta, not a chaperone. You want me to go against my nature?
August 8th, 2006 at 9:44 pmI refer to my skin as “milk-bottle†white.
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 9:40 pm
Do you go often to beaches? Well…sunny places, in general?
August 8th, 2006 at 9:44 pmYou couldn’t comment on my post when I asked Juan not to leave! That was all! (zooey)
August 8th, 2006 at 9:44 pmSo is white a word for chaste? (juan)
whats Yenta?
Comment by Juan C
Also known as the Yetti, the abominable snowman of the Himalayas.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:45 pmSo is white a word for chaste? (juan)
Comment by trueblue
Damn! I am going!
August 8th, 2006 at 9:46 pmI refer to mine as pasty white rice cake white. We’re different out west…
Comment by Zooey — August 8, 2006 @ 9:44 pm
That was probably the most ambiguous answer I have gotten…but cakes are good. ;)
August 8th, 2006 at 9:47 pmJuan,
I live ~ 1 1/2 – 2 miles from a Hyannis (Cape Cod) beach!
I never go! I burn. I went to Martha’s Vineyard Sat. Put zinc oxide all over myself, twice,… still burned! (although not as bad as if I used regular sunblock)
August 8th, 2006 at 9:48 pmThat was probably the most ambiguous answer I have gotten…but cakes are good. ;)
Comment by Juan C
Actually, the most ambiguous answer you ever got was my definition of Yenta.
Yenta is actually the yiddish term for “matchmaker.”
Sorry, I’m feeling a little kookier than usual this evening. :-)
August 8th, 2006 at 9:51 pmSo is white a word for chaste? (juan)
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 9:44 pm
???? Sorry, I am laughing to death here…ha ha!
August 8th, 2006 at 9:51 pmDid you ask that seriously? You are so sweet! I would never try to use double-language (?) just mess around with you.
No, true, as far as I know, Irish women, as Scottish, are really white. I was asking if that perception was right.
whats Yenta?
Comment by Juan C
Also known as the Yetti, the abominable snowman of the Himalayas.
Comment by Zooey
LIAR!!!!!
Juan,
Yenta is a Yiddish word for matchmaker, which is what she is!!!!
When she heard you might work in Cambridge, she was all over gettin’ us together because I worked there and am single!
August 8th, 2006 at 9:51 pm[she's evil! shhh! ;) ]
Hoooraaay! A whole day without the lunatic rantings of the Mighty Moron. Must be off sulking after being bitch-slapped.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:52 pm
Juan,
I know white means white.
I thought it was pretty funny, though!!!!!!!
August 8th, 2006 at 9:53 pmYenta is actually the yiddish term for “matchmaker.â€
Sorry, I’m feeling a little kookier than usual this evening. :-)
Comment by Zooey — August 8, 2006 @ 9:51 pm
Yiddish? Are you jewish, Zoo? (Again, just asking, nothing wrong…damn the internet)
August 8th, 2006 at 9:54 pm[she’s evil! shhh! ;) ]
Comment by trueblue
Remember that bus you were under a little while ago? It’s coming around again…
August 8th, 2006 at 9:54 pmBoo, hoo. heh, heh.
Comment by Ho Chi Minh
Do tell!
August 8th, 2006 at 9:55 pmI thought it was pretty funny, though!!!!!!!
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 9:53 pm
Oh…well, it was. I am trying to be cautious here. You cant know for sure what intend to mean when I post something, and I dont want to be rude at all.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:55 pmRemember that bus you were under a little while ago? It’s coming around again…
Comment by Zooey —
Damn!
August 8th, 2006 at 9:57 pmShe’s intimidating me to keep me silent!!!!
Witness Protection Program, where are you?!!? ;)
When she heard you might work in Cambridge, she was all over gettin’ us together because I worked there and am single!
[she’s evil! shhh! ;) ]
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 9:51 pm
Ohh, OK, lets solve that issue, right here, right now. Could we?
August 8th, 2006 at 9:57 pmSo, you are single, true?
(Kidding)
Yiddish? Are you jewish, Zoo? (Again, just asking, nothing wrong…damn the internet)
Comment by Juan C
No, but I do have a Jewish last name. No offense taken, Juan. I just have a phenomenal memory, mostly for stupid crap, and Yenta stuck. I was annoying One Jew as Yenta this weekend.
August 8th, 2006 at 9:58 pmI just have a phenomenal memory, mostly for stupid crap, and Yenta stuck. I was annoying One Jew as Yenta this weekend.
Comment by Zooey — August 8, 2006 @ 9:58 pm
Again…laughing a lot, here. I just feel bad for the thread. :P
August 8th, 2006 at 10:00 pmYikes, I came to TP and eHarmony.com popped out.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:00 pmYikes, I came to TP and eHarmony.com popped out.
Comment by Badmoodman — August 8, 2006 @ 10:00 pm
Oh, chill out, Bad. Did you like American Splendor?
August 8th, 2006 at 10:02 pmI just feel bad for the thread. :P
Comment by Juan C
You and true feeling bad….*sigh*
August 8th, 2006 at 10:08 pmBadmoodman,
That is f*cking funny!!!! eharmony!!!! funny!
Yes, Juan, I am single. And you are about 12 years younger than me, I think.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:10 pmZooey, you are too much!
68% of the vote in, Lamont leads by 8000 votes.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:10 pmI want it known that when I (OK, first) went OT, it was the Lieberman/Lamont debacle. At least it was political.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:12 pmIt was ZOOEY who pulled me to the dark side….
(vvvrrrrooooooommmm…- that sound, Zooey, was you under the bus!!)
Is the site back up, For Truth?
I kept checking, and it’s been down…
YEAH LAMONT!!!! (not yelling, excitement!)
August 8th, 2006 at 10:14 pmLieberman 108,683 48.29%
Lamont 116,387 51.71%
From DKos, just now.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:15 pmAnd you are about 12 years younger than me, I think.
Zooey, you are too much!
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 10:10 pm
Did I ever mention I went out 9 months with a russian teacher I had at the University? She was 35 and I was 25. Didnt work out, but was really fun. (Why do I feel I am talking like Jason…?) I dont mean anything with that, true…just that the difference in age is somewhat subjective (Did somebody understand what I just posted?)
Ok. So lets get serious! Whats with the voting thing?
August 8th, 2006 at 10:16 pmIt was ZOOEY who pulled me to the dark side….
(vvvrrrrooooooommmm…- that sound, Zooey, was you under the bus!!)
Comment by trueblue
I will crawl out from under that bus sooner or later…you know that, don’t you? Remember my blackhole memory? :)
August 8th, 2006 at 10:17 pmWhat that Lieberman/Lamont voting decides? Who runs for what?
August 8th, 2006 at 10:18 pmJuan,
Lieberman & Lamont are two Democrats running for the Senate seat in Connecticut. Leiberman is a Bush lover (and not the good kind), and Lamont’s trying to get him out of there. We hope he does.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:20 pmU.S. Senate
Democratic Primary
Updated at 10:19 PM – Aug. 08, 2006
Precincts Reporting: 625 of 757 – 83%
August 8th, 2006 at 10:20 pmCandidate Incumbent Votes Vote %
Joe Lieberman X 111,887 48%
Ned Lamont 120,616 52%
Let me make that clearer. This vote decides which Democrat gets to run for the Senate seat in November. I have no idea who the Republicans will run for the seat.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:21 pmLet me make that clearer. This vote decides which Democrat gets to run for the Senate seat in November. I have no idea who the Republicans will run for the seat.
Comment by Zooey — August 8, 2006 @ 10:21 pm
Allow me to introduce my pesimism. Will things change with either guy?
August 8th, 2006 at 10:22 pmre: post #122,
August 8th, 2006 at 10:23 pm“I’m afraid…” !
She was 35 and I was 25. Didnt work out, but was really fun.
Comment by Juan C
Oy, 10 years? Such a short time! It’s nothing…
A shtik naches!
August 8th, 2006 at 10:24 pmJuan,
August 8th, 2006 at 10:26 pmNed Lamont really has not held a meaningful office. He has run his campaign on being against everything Lieberman is for, which is basically the Bush line. Lieberman has been towing it for years, and the people of Conn. are sick of it.
I think it’ll send a clear message to Bush yes-men that their time has come…
Allow me to introduce my pesimism. Will things change with either guy?
Comment by Juan C
Not with Lieberman, he likes to kiss GWB. Hopefully yes, with Lamont. Maybe it will start a trend, and we’ll re-take the Senate.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:26 pm“I’m afraid…†!
Comment by trueblue
I knew you were smart…
August 8th, 2006 at 10:27 pm:)
MiniBlue’s dad is 17 years older than I, BTW…
August 8th, 2006 at 10:28 pmOn another thread I’ll tell you a funny story re: when I was the age HE was, when we started seeing each other. (did that make sense? Read it again!! :)
MiniBlue’s dad is 17 years older than I
One question, true
Is this the gentleman we planned on boiling in oil?
August 8th, 2006 at 10:31 pmOne in the same!
August 8th, 2006 at 10:32 pmComment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 10:26 pm
Comment by Zooey — August 8, 2006 @ 10:26 pm
You know better. I really hope so. You see, from this side of the world, it doesnt make much difference if Dems or Reps are in the government: US does as US does.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:32 pmBut, hey, as long as you are OK…
(Kidding…well, the last part. I hope thins change, of course)
We desperately need to change course here, or I fear for the US’s future.
How are things where you are?
August 8th, 2006 at 10:34 pmIs this the gentleman we planned on boiling in oil?
Comment by Zooey — August 8, 2006 @ 10:31 pm
Was that bad? Sorry.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:35 pmHEY HEADS UP with 83% in – LAMONT IS LEADING BY 4%.
OH PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
I cannot believe, I literally live across the country from this whole thing, and I have to say, this REALLY MATTERS!
August 8th, 2006 at 10:35 pmBut, hey, as long as you are OK…
(Kidding…well, the last part. I hope thins change, of course)
Comment by Juan C
We tend to be a bit excitable these days. We really want to believe things will change — will get better. Personally, I’m ashamed of the way the US is seen by the rest of the world.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:36 pmlast report 10:19, this @ 10:39……
U.S. Senate
Democratic Primary
Updated at 10:39 PM – Aug. 08, 2006
Precincts Reporting: 651 of 757 – 86%
August 8th, 2006 at 10:37 pmCandidate Incumbent Votes Vote %
Joe Lieberman X 116,060 48%
Ned Lamont 124,940 52%
TRUE BLUE
August 8th, 2006 at 10:37 pmIs it hard to believe this is a political web site ? I remember how much fun you had spamming to 500 comment s the other day with Jason and destroying the the tread ,your doing a dis service to people looking for real info here because your love life doesnt deserve our sifting thru .I’m with you bad mood man !!!
Precincts Reporting: 86.63%
Lieberman 115,503 48.18%
Lamont 124,528 51.82%
From DKos. It’s a nail-biter, madashell!
August 8th, 2006 at 10:39 pmHow are things where you are?
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 10:34 pm
Ok. I am depressing and pesimistic. Coming from a communist father in Argentina and anti-Pinochet mother in Chile, my opinion is that no way a government will stop looking for rich men´s and corporation´s interests in favor of people. But, to answer directly…Mexico is 110 million people country…almost 12 million living in yours (great opportunities here, yeah), 60 million are in poverty, and the aim of the right wing government is to privatize oil, which is the only thing that is left for mexicans (supposedly). I have no hopes…I guess only a revolution will change things. Ultimately it will happen if things go this way.
I am sorry to be so gloomy. :(
August 8th, 2006 at 10:41 pmyour doing a dis service to people looking for real info here because your love life doesnt deserve our sifting thru .I’m with you bad mood man !!!
Comment by freeman
Just a little fun while watching the CT primary results. Lighten up!
August 8th, 2006 at 10:42 pmJuan,
My ex kinda sorta, well, stole my credit to get a card that he ran up in charges.
It was a Friday CranRaspberry / Vodka night. (I was pissed.) Zooey offered her advice…
Oh, and this is what a sap I am: he currently is down with the flu or something, so he’s in my basement bedroom recouperating while I get soup and what-not for him,….again… because I Feel Bad!!!
August 8th, 2006 at 10:42 pmanother thing, for all you naysayers about Lamont, let me just say one thing. He has been AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ SINCE DAY ONE! His great great uncle, BTW, happened to be the editor of the Nation Magazine!
August 8th, 2006 at 10:43 pmTRUE BLUE
August 8th, 2006 at 10:43 pmIs it hard to believe this is a political web site ?
Oh, is it? Please, feel free to comment.
I get soup and what-not for him,….again… because I Feel Bad!!!
Comment by trueblue
OH. MY. GOD. Tell me you’re making shit up…PLEASE!
August 8th, 2006 at 10:45 pmOh, and this is what a sap I am: he currently is down with the flu or something, so he’s in my basement bedroom recouperating while I get soup and what-not for him,….again… because I Feel Bad!!!
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 10:42 pm
mmmmm…well. Dont be so hard on you.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:45 pmfreeman,
you have me confused with someone else.
The thread you chastised me on was when I asked madashell (& only madashell) one question, and then everyone rang in to help.
I was gone after my dog before everyone was done. It’s called “help”
As far as Jason goes, I has 2 posts with him this morning. Other than that, I stay clear of him.
Please look back before you accuse me of being a troll.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:46 pmThanks.
I am sorry to be so gloomy. :(
Comment by Juan C
It is what it is, Juan. Maybe we can learn a lesson about revolution from Mexico. We seem to have forgotten our own.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:47 pmfreeman – PLEASE LIGHTEN UP. As for yesterday, both Trueblue and I spent a long time (for two days) battling the REAL TROLLS. What we did was NEEDED RESPIT!
August 8th, 2006 at 10:49 pmZooey,
Told you it was Irish Catholic guilt.
Juan,
Sorry you feel so badly.
And yes, I was the one to bring to light the Lieberman/Lamont story, plus furnish updates, so I’d say I’m on a political blog!
Freeman has me feeling like a schmuck, even though he’s incorrect.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:51 pmGonna go.
Night.
mmmmm…well. Dont be so hard on you.
Comment by Juan C
Now you know, darling, if you ever get to school in Massachusetts, you will have someone to make you soup, wipe your nose, and catch your barf in a bucket.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:52 pmthanks, madashell
August 8th, 2006 at 10:52 pmOh, and true…
August 8th, 2006 at 10:53 pmsorry if this sounds really bad, but, my humble opinion, and I know nothing about you or the circumnstances around you, but I think that if he is there is because you want him to be there. Please, please, forgive me if my intrusion makes you yell at me. I will deserve it in any case. Its an opinion.
Its an opinion.
Comment by Juan C
Such a smart boy, our Juan…
August 8th, 2006 at 10:54 pmAnd yes, I was the one to bring to light the Lieberman/Lamont story, plus furnish updates, so I’d say I’m on a political blog!
True #148 was for freeman. I forgot to put that the comment was freeman´s.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:55 pmPrecincts Reporting: 94.39%
Lieberman 127,249 48.27%
Lamont 136,353 51.73%
-DKos
August 8th, 2006 at 10:56 pmSaw you post before shutting down, Juan, and had to respond.
I can’t have him sick and alone. For better or worse, we have a daughter together. I can’t let my daughter’s father be like that….
Just feel like I ,..I don’t know, really.
Just can’t have him alone and suffering.
August 8th, 2006 at 10:58 pmEveryone needs someone, I guess….
Just can’t have him alone and suffering.
Everyone needs someone, I guess….
Comment by trueblue — August 8, 2006 @ 10:58 pm
I was not judging anything. I kind of saw myself doing the same thing.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:00 pmLieberman conceding on C-Span.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:01 pmLieberman’s a whiny bitch…
August 8th, 2006 at 11:02 pmLieberman conceding on C-Span. Comment by Zooey
And now it begins?
August 8th, 2006 at 11:03 pmAnd now it begins?
Comment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian)
And now it begins.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:03 pmlieberman just conceded and announced he is running as an independent. What an asshole! What if he splits the dem vote and a repub takes the seat.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:03 pmYou blow JOE! you lose . Lieberman concedes! maybe W will plant a big sloppy one on ya and kiss a boo boo. Doin’ a dance right now………..
August 8th, 2006 at 11:04 pmIt doesn’t take an MIT physicist to figure out that invading a foreign land ist Verboten.
The well-laid plans of mice and men often go awry.
The democratically elected ruler Joe Lieberman wishes he were in Florida with hanging chads giving him the edge.
Since we’re there in Iraq, what’s the sense of withdrawing US forces. It’ll be a power vaccuum. Bad, very bad.
The US must stay in Iraq for the next 28 years. Lots of fears and tears ahead.
At least stay there until everybody is broke. It is the greatest military blunder in the history of the world. How else can it be analyzed?
‘Democratically’ elected American politicians think it’s ok. It’s stupid. Eighteen thousand wounded, more with PTSD, more than 2700 dead is not good. Tens of thousands Iraqis dead is even worse.
It can’t go on, something has to give.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:04 pmI was not judging anything. I kind of saw myself doing the same thing.
Comment by Juan C
Just a thought, Juan. Do you think trueblue’s ex is there for her when she’s sick? I’m thinking, no.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:04 pmAnd now it begins.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:07 pmComment by Zooey — August 8, 2006 @ 11:03 pm
Congrats. Lets hope.
Lets hope.
Comment by Juan C
There is always hope! *jumping up & down, clapping*
August 8th, 2006 at 11:08 pmLieberman will probably have the corporate money for an independent run but will he have any support left? I hope (and am optimistic) that the CT Democrats want to win back the Senate and most will back Lamont. Lieberman, if he runs as an independent, is likely to further alienate the regular donors and supporters and, hopefully, the party leaders. Running as an independent will cast Lieberman on the trash heap of politics. He can only have a voice if he bows out gracefully or if he turns Republican officially.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:09 pmlieberman can be the new zell miller. What was saddam going to attack us with? SPITWADS! Little known personal fact: I base all of my tirades in zell millers speech.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:11 pmRunning as an independent will cast Lieberman on the trash heap of politics. He can only have a voice if he bows out gracefully or if he turns Republican officially.
Comment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian)
It would be more honest, if he did that. He still thinks he’s fooling us.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:11 pmI base all of my tirades in zell millers speech.
Comment by Bowdler
A wise course. He is the sensei of hissy fits.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:13 pmI hope there are many Democrats who have resisted progressive politics and have been too cautious are taking note of the Lamont-Lieberman election. We need bold, strong, in your face Democratic leaders who embrace and promote progressive ideals. I hope Lamont is the tipping point.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:16 pmLIEBERMAN IS A FREAKIN’ WEASEL – TURNCOAT – AND REPUBLICAN HEARTED.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:16 pm733 of 748 Precincts Reporting – 97.99%
Name Party Votes Pct
August 8th, 2006 at 11:17 pmLamont, Ned Dem 143,363 51.81
Lieberman, Joe (i) Dem 133,323 48.19
Just a thought, Juan. Do you think trueblue’s ex is there for her when she’s sick? I’m thinking, no.
Comment by Zooey — August 8, 2006 @ 11:04 pm
OK, Ok. Sorry, Zoo and True. I am an ass, but really, I am nobody to judge anybody. I remembered a relationship I had, where everything was really bad, yet I was there, until somebody, not nicely made me see it. It was an opinion without knowing anything. I was trying to help with a comment, believe it or not. Oh, shit, I just want to die, right now. I am really sorry if I hurt anybody.
And to that question, I dont know, I could not tell. I just know true as a very sweet person…I am out of touch.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:17 pmand a SORE LOSER!
August 8th, 2006 at 11:17 pmSo, Lamont competes now for the Senate and what? Please do tell.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:18 pmLIEBERMAN IS A FREAKIN’ WEASEL – TURNCOAT – AND REPUBLICAN HEARTED.
Comment by madashell
All true, but add one more: LOSER of the primary
August 8th, 2006 at 11:19 pmI would have preferred a larger margin of victory for Lamont, but still – this is pretty damn amazing, isn’t it?
August 8th, 2006 at 11:19 pmIn what kind of concession speech, do you announce you’re going to run anyway? I have got to buy a new dictionary.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:20 pmI wonder if Exley knows about the facts that George W. Bush presented and then failed to prove? I mean it seems Exley doesn’t take Mr. Bush to task. But a reporter who’s been in Iraq is a liar and not to be trusted. Hey Exley you been to Iraq?
August 8th, 2006 at 11:20 pmand the LOSER is now going to be running as an independent. BASTARD!
August 8th, 2006 at 11:21 pmNow someone please tell me who is F*CKIN’ UP THE democrat party? Three letters…..
DLC
August 8th, 2006 at 11:22 pmJuan
Lamont, as a Democrat, will face the Republican (I don’t even know who that is!) and, apparently, Lieberman, now an “independent” (if he has the required signatures of enough voters to get on the ballot) in November for the Senate seat.
Lamont should come out of this with a lot of publicity and name recognition that he did not have. I hope he rides the wave strongly. The Republican contender may have a tough time getting noticed in the media, especially if Lieberman remains. Lieberman may siphon off as many Republicans as Democrats in the three-way race.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:23 pmWOW, Lamont’s winning and NOT ONE PEEP from TP~
August 8th, 2006 at 11:24 pmAt least I know the other websites I visit aren’t paid for by the DLC!
August 8th, 2006 at 11:25 pmTPs silence tonight is very…awkward?
August 8th, 2006 at 11:26 pmI wonder if this election may temper the DLC…ah, maybe not.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:26 pmComment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian) — August 8, 2006 @ 11:23 pm
Why is the Senate so important…well, just one guy at the Senate so important, if there are a lot of Senators to make laws?
August 8th, 2006 at 11:31 pm192: I think TPs silence isn’t too surprising. They usually don’t make new posts after about 10pm. Look for something tomorrow. They have probably happily drifted off to dreamland, like I should have done 40 minutes ago.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:31 pmUh oh. 11 of 17 Egyptian exchange students headed for Montana State University have gone missing. They were supposed to arrive 7/29. Hmmm.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:31 pmLieberman the “Republican” lost!!!!!!!!!!
Time to celebrate!
Hip, hip, hooray!
August 8th, 2006 at 11:32 pmHip, hip, hooray!
Hip, hip, hooray!
Juan – its really all politics – and who really understands it? all I know is that Lamont winning sends a real message to the dems that WE ARE FED UP! This primary to me is a gauge as to what we might expect in November.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:33 pmVincennes….No. Have you?
August 8th, 2006 at 11:35 pm194: If there is any hope for slowing down the bush disaster, the dems need to take either the house or the senate. In order to take the senate they need to win almost all of the competetive seats. As bush is doing so much real damage to the US and the world, probably for decades to come, anything to impede him is of vital importance.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:38 pmJuan – its really all politics – and who really understands it?
Comment by madashell — August 8, 2006 @ 11:33 pm
Im with you! :)
I have to go, goodnight. And congratulations, everybody. Hope, fellas, hope.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:41 pmZoo…Im like this :(
Juan
August 8th, 2006 at 11:42 pmThe US Senate has two Senators representing each state, while the number of Congressmen in the House of Representatives depends on the population of each state. So, the Senate tends to be a more powerful legislative body. The win by Lamont in this primary does not mean he will be one of the Senators from Connecticut, he has to win the general election first. And he could lose to the Republican, which would tend to strengthen the Republicans’ hold on power in the Senate (more than half of the Senators are currently Republican). However, the win by Lamont is extraordinary because an incumbent Senator rarely gets beaten in a primary. Lamont’s win probably means that Connecticut has a growing anti-war in Iraq sentiment. The win may also mean the whole country has that sentiment growing or, at least, it will embolden the movement. Success breeds success. Thus, our Senate may find some new, antiwar in Iraq faces in power in November – maybe enough to tip the majority and effect the laws and policies. Maybe even enough to start investigations into Bush’s administration’s past actions, dare I say.
Zoo…Im like this :(
Comment by Juan C
You’re breaking my heart, Juan. Please don’t be :(
We’ll catch up tomorrow — on the open thread. :)
August 8th, 2006 at 11:44 pmI’ve got to get to sleep, too. Good night and may dreams of progressive victories and a better future for America dance in our heads.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:47 pmIt really doesn’t matter if Lieberman does win in November. His days of influence are over. If the Republicans hold on to the Senate, he will not be rewarded….they don’t like traitors either.
If the Democrats gain control he will be shunned.
There is no new moderate movement ongoing. The trend has been toward extremes on both ends because of the ongoing fear campaigns worldwide. If there is a move toward sanity it has been among Republicans who realize they like the rest of the country have been sold down the neocon and debtor’s river.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:58 pmHey, TripMaster Monkey — August 8, 2006 @ 5:42 pm
The MCM (Manual for Courts Martial) is military law. It takes more than an opion to legally punish a servicemember. “Speaking ill”? Saying the Secretary of Defense is incompetent is not “Speaking Ill”. Saying so is not a court martial offense. To copurt martialed someone for speasking has to involve a conversation conspiring to murder or something equilavent. As a matter of fact the officer not soldier who made the statement suffers more liabilities for not speaking out. More than 200 years after his death, the President signed a statement that affected the official rank of General George Washington?
Hewitt has a point, since the alleged source can’t be named. However , if the identity of the soldier becomes known, he can be court martialed for speaking ill of his superiors, so Ricks has a point as well.
Fortunately, the testimony of this soldier is not really necessary…Rumsfeld’s criminal conduct speaks quite elequoently for itself.
August 8th, 2006 at 11:59 pmWitness I am not sure if you have served…but there is a CATCH all charge…CONDUCT UNBECOMING AN OFFICER…which could be used where they are charging the officer with disrespect of a superior…..
August 9th, 2006 at 12:19 amLieberman concedes; Lamont wins primary
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14228351/
August 9th, 2006 at 12:24 am151 BLUE , and ZOOEY
August 9th, 2006 at 12:39 amlook back at the thread on Zackaria : Rumsfeld must be in a parallell universe
If it isn’t you ,zooey katy and jason ,then you have had your moniker stolen,but based on what I’m reading on this thread I think you may have forgotten the other evening.A few silly comments is fun but the other thread I believe has 100 or more s having nothing to do with politics at all .
Sorry ,but today Ive heard several complaints from other bloggers saying they were tuning out because of all the trolls bogus remarks and all the spam on the TP threads .People will stop reading the thread because there is too much spam tobe waded through .But hey I’m light .
Good bye Joe ! maybe you can be the featured speaker at the next republican convention !
August 9th, 2006 at 12:41 amSome preliminary thoughts on the ass-whupping of and subsequent classless speech by the Connecticut Yankee in King George’s Court in “Spur Grapes Koolaid, Anyone?”
August 9th, 2006 at 12:41 amSo Joe lost and he says he will run as an independent.
August 9th, 2006 at 1:07 amWhen he began to see that he was in deep trouble, he repeatedly said he is a Democrat, always voted for Democratic issues, etc. but within minutes from losing, he says he will run as an independent. Some Democrat!! Sore loser!! If he was not a DINO, he’d have won tonight but he is bitter because he chose to back the wrong horse in Bush.
He may have voted for the people’s issues in years past, but in recent years, he has voted for Bush’s court nominees, he’s voted with Bush on Social Security, and – he told Democrats that if they didn’t follow his lead and back the president in the war, they would be aiding the enemy – a totl Republican line!
The next three months in the country will be tumultuous.
Lamont won by only 4% instead of double digits, and only 40% turnout – so the Dems will still have to work very hard to get out the vote across the country.
J.Pork~
August 9th, 2006 at 1:21 amExcellent analysis,… but spur grapes?
So what have we learned? That the Bu$h liplock on Vichy Joe was the kiss of death. That Billary Clenis, and every other MIDDLE-O-THE-ROAD jackass who puts election money ahead of representative government had better start lookin’ over their skank shoulders. Within 6 years this fraud went from accepting his fraudelent partys nomination for vice president to a bench warmer in the primary of his own state as an incumbent. Hope the whisper becomes a roar!
TRUE BLUE lback at the posts on US TROOPS suffer under 125 degree heat
August 9th, 2006 at 1:50 amMASSIVE SPAMMING .
If you aren’t a troll then a troll has taken your moniker here on this thread and on 2 other older posts !
125 degrees and RUMSFELD IN A PARELLEL UNIVERSE
check it out !
Leiberman’s loss is bad news for Bush. Dem swing votes are officially out of style.
August 9th, 2006 at 2:04 amcheck it out !
Comment by freeman — August 9, 2006 @ 1:50 am
You seem really worried about what people here post. Why dont you start posting something worth reading?
August 9th, 2006 at 2:20 amThis Lieberman loss is indeed another nail in the Bush “lame duck” coffin. Bush is politcal kryptonite to politicians.
-GSD
August 9th, 2006 at 2:28 amfreeman; I’m with you,all this personal jabber is very annoying.Judd said several times this morning to not turn this forum into a personal chat-room.
August 9th, 2006 at 2:31 amIf you people care so much about each other,then exchange E-mail,and leave us out of it.
I have not caught the news to find out if Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia won or lost in the Primary election > has anyone heard the results yet?
Sen. Lieberman losing is great news, but he will not be completely out of the Senate untill he loses in November, so the fight against him must continue!
August 9th, 2006 at 3:10 amMcKinney lost. Lieberman lost. The party establishment Republican supported by George W. Bush lost in Michigan.
Three incumbents lost. 2 incumbents were tacitly or overtly endorsed by Bush lost.
Bush is kryptonite.
This is another in a “lame-duck” series of smacks at George W. Bush.
-GSD
August 9th, 2006 at 3:28 amGSD I am sad for McKinney if she lost , because her opponent Hank Johnson has been funded by the GOP and DLC, so my Georgia loses an anti-Iraq-war person for a PRO-war GOP agent! All the others you mentioned deserved to lose, but remember the GOP may cheat for Joe in November to save his butt!
August 9th, 2006 at 4:10 amWar Crimes Act Changes Would Reduce Threat Of Prosecution
The Bush administration has drafted amendments to a war crimes law that would eliminate the risk of prosecution for political appointees, CIA officers and former military personnel for humiliating or degrading war prisoners, according to U.S. officials and a copy of the amendments.
Officials say the amendments would alter a U.S. law passed in the mid-1990s that criminalized violations of the Geneva Conventions, a set of international treaties governing military conduct in wartime. The conventions generally bar the cruel, humiliating and degrading treatment of wartime prisoners without spelling out what all those terms mean.
August 9th, 2006 at 4:54 amBlood on his hands
By John Kampfner in the New Statesman
Blair knew the attack on Lebanon was coming but he didn’t try to stop it, because he didn’t want to. He has made this country an accomplice, destroying what remained of our influence abroad while putting us all at greater risk of attack.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:10 amAt a Downing Street reception not long ago, a guest had the temerity to ask Tony Blair: “How do you sleep at night, knowing that you’ve been responsible for the deaths of 100,000 Iraqis?” The Prime Minister is said to have retorted: “I think you’ll find it’s closer to 50,000.”
#12 I’m afraid we’re only just beginning to hear about all of the horrors of what has gone on the past 3 years. These people are going to come home scarred with severe emotional and psychological problems
MC Veigh came back from Gulf War I all pissed off with the goverment from his ordeal. We know what he did. There will be 10 times more Mc Veighs coming home from this “adventure” more pissed off and looking for “revenge”. Oh boy.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:11 am#221- Tobey T.- Now, why on Earth would they feel that such a thing was needed? They have declared their own innocence, or was it ‘immunity’, several times, and have been careful to avoid giving any potentially incriminating testimony under oath, and they have worked with the Republican controlled House and Senate, to pass legislation that would legalize their illegal activities, or at least to quash any investigations concerning them. If they are as ‘pure’ as they are pretending to be, this looks like they DO have something to hide, such as EVERYTHING! Thanks for the post, I like reading you. :)
August 9th, 2006 at 6:30 amJERUSALEM – Israel’s Security Cabinet convened Wednesday to likely approve a broader ground offensive in Lebanon, with key ministers arguing that the military must deal more blows to Hezbollah and score quick battlefield victories before a Mideast cease-fire is imposed.
However, a decision to send troops deeper into Lebanon is fraught with considerable risk. Israel would set itself up for new criticism that it is sabotaging diplomatic efforts, particularly after Lebanon offered to deploy its own troops in the border area.
Also, a wider ground offensive might do little to stop Hezbollah rocket fire on Israel, while sharply increasing the number of casualties among Israeli troops.
An Israeli security official told Cabinet members the offensive could mean 100 to 200 more military casualties, a participant said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the closed-door meeting. So far, 67 Israeli soldiers have been killed.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in principle supports a wider offensive, but is hedging because of concern about rising Israeli casualties, his aides have said. However, stepping up the military campaign appeared to have strong support in the 12-member Security Cabinet.
The ministers met a day after the commander of Israeli forces in Lebanon was sidelined in an unusual mid-war shake-up — another sign of the growing dissatisfaction with the military, which has been unable to stop Hezbollah’s daily rocket barrages.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:16 amMcKinney lost. Lieberman lost. The party establishment Republican supported by George W. Bush lost in Michigan.
Three incumbents lost. 2 incumbents were tacitly or overtly endorsed by Bush lost.
Comment by GSD — August 9, 2006 @ 3:28 am
YAY!!!
Anti-incumbent in 2006! If that doesn’t send a message to the White House, nothing ever will.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:32 amI know I am posting off topic…so sorry.
Lebanon Prime Minister
“If Israel would realize that the peoples of the Middle East cannot be cowed into submission, that they aspire only to live in freedom and dignity, it could also be a stepping stone to a final solution of the wider Arab-Israeli conflict, which has plagued our region for 60 years,” the prime minister said.
A political solution, however, was unattainable, he added, “as long as Israel continues to occupy Arab land in Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank and the Syrian Golan Heights and as long as it wages war on innocent people in Lebanon and Palestine.” Lebanon is hoping to amend a draft UN Security Council resolution agreed by the United States and France in an effort to secure an immediate ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah and the withdrawal of Israeli troops from the south of the country.
Siniora has expressed grave reservations with the draft resolution calling for a “full cessation” of fighting — but not for the immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.-AFP
August 9th, 2006 at 8:44 amIt’s a good time to reflect on Rumsfeld’s statement that not only do we have enough troops to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan forever, but we’ve got plenty left over to fight in N.Korea too.
What was the enslitment age hiked up to this month?
August 9th, 2006 at 11:08 amI think they have the enlistment age nearly pushed up to 50 by now.
I think that the soldiers coming back from Iraq should express themselved directly to Rummy. From now, until the old man kicks the bucket, he should hear daily from the soldiers that he has betrayed. In mail, in articles, in person. He should never be allowed to forget about all the people he’s killed by his incompetency, his callous and casual attitude, his secret agenda. And the families of the dead should be given his address and phone number as well.
August 9th, 2006 at 11:13 am#228 the White House doesn’t listen to messages. The folks who should be listening are the ones who want to get (re)elected to Congress.
August 9th, 2006 at 11:17 amIsn’t this what we didn’t want to happen?
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/09/MNG8LKDMHU1.DTL
Good job Dick, George and Ronald Dumbsfeld
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