Focus On The Family Misrepresents Women’s Views On Embryonic Stem Cell Research
Focus On The Family Misrepresents Women’s Views On Embryonic Stem Cell Research
In recent weeks, Focus on the Family has mailed brochures to more than 90,000 Missouri homes, arguing that stem cell research under the Missouri ballot initiative would exploit women by luring them into dangerous egg donations. The brochure, “Women’s voices against cloning,” quotes several women’s organizations to show “the risks that this measure [Missouri ballot initiative] poses to women’s health.”
Women’s organizations quoted in the brochure tell ThinkProgress that Focus on the Family has misrepresented their positions and that they actually oppose the organization’s aims to ban stem cell research.
Judy Norsigian, author of Our Bodies, Ourselves, said that while she has some concerns about the somatic cell nuclear transplant (SCNT) technique, she is actually “very supportive of most embryonic stem cell research.” She also said Focus on the Family was “obfuscating [her] language” to support its own political purposes.
Focus on the Family also quoted Sujatha Jesudason from the Center for Genetics and Society. We spoke to Emily Galpern from that same organization, who also said that her organization supports some stem cell research. “One of our concerns is that conservative folks are co-opting feminist language to suit their cause,” Galpern told the St. Louis Dispatch. Galpern told ThinkProgress that groups like Focus on the Family are “taking women’s health advocates language for their larger goal of trying to stop embryonic stem cell research.”
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Oh My GOD! Conservative groups LYING!
Who’da thunk?
August 9th, 2006 at 4:07 pmKindness it is okay to lie and decieve if you are trying to spread a culture of life.
/sarcasm off
August 9th, 2006 at 4:10 pmSo the groups that were misrepresented should sue them. Done deal. And them donate the money to honest women’s health institutions.
August 9th, 2006 at 4:10 pmNot very “Christian” of them, eh?
August 9th, 2006 at 4:11 pmcorrect me if I am wrong, but since when does stem cell research, have anything to do with cloning?
August 9th, 2006 at 4:11 pmBush gives God a bad name.
August 9th, 2006 at 4:13 pmWhen the Dems win in November we will fight for Stem Cell Research.
FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!!!!!
August 9th, 2006 at 4:16 pmBush is bringing the country back to the dark ages, so why not go all the way and bring back stoning people to death. Science explains nothing anyway for this administration as well as most republican and some democrats. The decider is the War President and his legislative sycophants and the DoD are beind him in his decisions all the way. Four more wars for the glory of Jesus!
August 9th, 2006 at 4:17 pm#3 I am with you. The only way to stop this lying is to file lawsuits every time they do it and make them pay. Once they get hit really hard in the pocket book they will think twice about lying.
August 9th, 2006 at 4:18 pmFocus on my genitals.
August 9th, 2006 at 4:19 pmWhy don’t these people learn that when “Focus on the Family” is calling, their comments will be taken out of context and used against them?
August 9th, 2006 at 4:23 pm#11
August 9th, 2006 at 4:25 pmDon’t they have caller ID? When Dobson, Falwell, Robertson call, don’t answer!!
Nice one Amanda!!
August 9th, 2006 at 4:26 pmI’ll give you another woman’s opinion:
Stop spending your time bothering other people about a non-issue so that you can start spending time raising your own children instead of expecting the public education system to do it. You wanna save a child’s life? Start with the ones you gave birth to… Hypocrites!
August 9th, 2006 at 4:30 pmSteven
the stem cells in question, are not harvested from women who are selling their eggs to make money. They are unused blastocytes in fertility clinics. I am unsure why this has become such an issue. I also asked, since when does stem cell research, indicate cloning?
August 9th, 2006 at 4:48 pmSteven the topic is how FoTF misused statements from women’s organizations anout stem cell research not cloning. Read the article again and slower this time.
August 9th, 2006 at 4:51 pmComment by Steven — August 9, 2006 @ 4:42 pm
Wow, you’re verbal sleight-of-hand is so convinsing. /sarcasm
This isn’t and never has been about recruiting women to be egg donors or anything of that sort. It is using already fertalized eggs from accepted and common fertility practices that will be THROWN AWAY.
You sir, support a Culture of Ignorance
August 9th, 2006 at 4:55 pmExploitation? Since when did selling something you own in this Capitialistic country become exploitation?
Comment by unbelievable
Prostitution for one is considered explotation.
August 9th, 2006 at 4:55 pmMr. Pro-life freak, who would bomb a clinic for “life”, Steven.
How come you have not spoke up about all the other forms of women being exploited over the years, oh yeah, cuz thats not what you really care about. You want to control a woman’s body and ignore all the killing of already grown up “life”.
August 9th, 2006 at 4:56 pmUnbelievable,
Steven wants to take away that ownership and own it himself. Maybe all these pro-life men freaks are jealous of the ability to carry and give birth to a human. It’s definately about control. Yes, if men gave birth, abortions would be available at the drive through. This is oppression of women. Most men, and many brainwashed women, can’t bare the thought of a women even having sex. I even catch myself looking at the subject differently with my son as opposed to my daughter. Sex is “dirty” with women, and a badge of honor with men. I fight off this learned thought process myself.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:00 pmProstitution for one is considered explotation.
Comment by dlet — August 9, 2006 @ 4:55 pm
Not in Nevada.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:03 pm#23
August 9th, 2006 at 5:04 pmSo true. Anything goes there. Not that I uh…..gotta go…
Good ol’ Nevada, brothels out in the middle of no-where, its wierd, but don’t take it away, I might want to check it out some day.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:07 pmSex is “dirty†with women, and a badge of honor with men. I fight off this learned thought process myself.
Comment by For Truth — August 9, 2006 @ 5:00 pm
Thank you Jesus…
Seriously, this is why I detest organized religion. It considers women second-class citizens who cannot think for themselves and need to be told how to think, act, feel, etc. The commandment about not coverting your neighbor’s property includes in that list of oxen and asses – women…
My third period Architecture class is all boys. We’ve been in school for a week. Today one of them called me brilliant when I gave him an idea for his project. Not that I’m brilliant, but it was nice to know that 13 boys in rural Georgia have learned that a woman can be competent. If we accomplished that in our second week, we’re off to a great year.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:10 pmI also asked, since when does stem cell research, indicate cloning?
Comment by Krazny — August 9, 2006 @ 4:48 pm
From Wiki, regarding somatic cell nuclear transfer:
The nucleus of a cell contains DNA, which acts roughly as its blueprint (although unlike an actual blueprint, these instructions are greatly affected by environment as well as other factors not yet fully understood and can change over time). In somatic cell nuclear transfer the nucleus of a somatic cell (a cell other than a sperm or egg cell) is removed and the rest of the cell is discarded. In parallel, the nucleus of an egg cell is removed. The nucleus of the somatic cell is then inserted into the denucleated egg cell. The egg, now containing the nucleus of a somatic cell, is stimulated in such a way that it begins to divide.
This qualifies as cloning (asexual reproduction), doesn’t it? They are attempting to reproduce embryonic-type stem cells in this manner.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:13 pmWhat’s the problem with cloning? That possibility of a Hitleresque Eugenics sort of outcome?
August 9th, 2006 at 5:15 pmI see your point Barfly, but to clone a small group of cells, is very different from cloning a fully grown human being. An important distinction needs to be made, that this is not a sci-fi novel. research on some rather nasty diseases, Crones anyone?, is important to humanity.
It looks like as usual focus on the family is using a slippery slope argument on why stem cell research should be abolished.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:16 pmOkay boys and girls….a little lesson on IVF (In Vitro Fertilization). A woman, having problems getting pregnant, is given Gonadatropin drugs to increase her “egg count”. Once the doctor sees fit, the eggs are surgically removed. Depending on the production, it may be 1-2, or may be 12. Each “good” egg is then microscopically injected (so as not to break the cell wall) with a single sperm. A few days later, the embryologist carefully monitors the strong “blastocytes” to which will be surgically “replaced” back inside the woman. The remaining “cells” are either discarded (by decision of the couple) or frozen for future use (in case the body rejects the fertilized egg, or, as does happen some times, no pregnancy occurs) There are hundreds of frozen “blastocytes” as we speak
So Steve, young women are not going to be recruited, their lives not going to be endangered. Man, you not only drank the Kool-aid…you gulped it right down!
August 9th, 2006 at 5:16 pmEducation, Steve, is always a good thing
Seriously, this is why I detest organized religion. It considers women second-class citizens who cannot think for themselves and need to be told how to think, act, feel, etc.
Comment by unbelievable
Today my office Jesus freak started babbling how the husband is supposed to be worshipped at home and such. Then she stated “Now I didn’t say that…the Bible does…Ididn’t say it…I just believe it.” Who would want that really. Me, I am glad I am married to someone that is better than me in some thinags and worse in others and we work together to get all things done. That worship crap just gets everyone in the crapper after a while. A microcosm of what Bush wants Umerca to be like to him.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:16 pmUnbelievable,
Maybe you are brilliant, and humble about it.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:17 pmAnd I bet all the guys of Focus on the Family are the world greatest adulterers, wife beaters and Philippinian 12 y/o girl rapists.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:20 pmMen are freaky controlling about women because they want to be the ones in on that trim, no one else, I think it’s roots are in sexuality, this whole wanting to control “life”.
First, men, get control over your own dick, wear a condom or keep it zipped. This whole anti abortion, anti blastocyst thing is about sexual jealousy, territory. Freakin’ dogs.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:23 pmMe, I am glad I am married to someone that is better than me in some thinags and worse in others and we work together to get all things done.
I couldn’t imagine being married to someone who was my ‘helper’, as Genesis reads. The first time I read the Bible, it pissed me off to no end. Women don’t want “better than rights”, as the women-hating men claim – we just equal freedoms and equal pay for equal work.
I wish I only had one Jesus Freak at work… :) Our teacher workroom turns into a veritable Bible study at lunch some days. I just excuse myself.
That worship crap just gets everyone in the crapper after a while. A microcosm of what Bush wants Umerca to be like to him.
Comment by dlet — August 9, 2006 @ 5:16 pm
This says a lot about you – in a positive way. The men who want to be worshipped have serious self-esteem issues. A good friend of mine said that guys like that should do themselves and women in general a favor – remove themselves from the dating scene and just get a dog…
Your wife is a lucky woman, and I’d bet she tells all her friends so :)
August 9th, 2006 at 5:25 pmMaybe you are brilliant, and humble about it.
Comment by For Truth — August 9, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
If so, it would be because my parents were busy raising the children they had instead of fighting for some potential life forms to be born to people who don’t want them. I was fortunate. :)
August 9th, 2006 at 5:27 pmYup, Unbeleivable, your parents kept their own backyard picked up, and didn’t go around telling others how to keep their backyards.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:29 pmNow that was brilliant, For Truth! Well said! :)
August 9th, 2006 at 5:30 pmHow soon all you detractors, who assign beliefs to me that I don’t have, forget about Park Eul-soon.
Junior scientist Park Eul-soon suffered the most personally devastating blunder of her career when in 2003 she accidentally spilled a dish of human eggs while conducting experiments in the South Korean lab of then-clone king Hwang Woo-suk.
For that mishap, Hwang coerced Park, a subordinate Ph.D. student in her mid-20s, to replace the lost eggs with her own. After first saying no, Park relented for fear Hwang would otherwise exclude her from academic recognition for her work.
Afterward, according to Korean MBC TV, Park morbidly “went back to Hwang’s laboratory and conducted the cloning experiment on the eggs that she herself had contributed that morning.”
The fear that cloning would exploit women was the major reason the United Nations called for its ban on human cloning last year. The U.N. was concerned that cloning would create an international market for eggs and egg donors that would exploit disadvantaged women in particular.
The journal Science published two embryonic stem cell research papers by Hwang in 2004 and 2005, both as cover stories that we now know were fraudulent.
The first claimed to use “only” 242 eggs to create the first ever cloned embryonic stem-cell line (listing Park as a co-author), and the second claimed to use “only” 273 eggs to create 11 patient-specific stem-cell lines.
Investigators have now determined Hwang actually used between 1,600 and 2,000 eggs from 86 women for those experiments. Some of those women were paid, at least two were allegedly coerced subordinates, and “[a]bout 20 percent… experienced side effects from surgical procedures to extract eggs,” reported People’s Online Daily of an MBC report.
In fact some of the women who were exploited in the process filed lawsuits against Hwang and his research team,
And you folks who supposedly care about patients and women are all in denial. Shame on you!
August 9th, 2006 at 5:39 pmAlso, thouse of you complaining about the Bible apparently haven’t read it. It also calls on men to submit to their wives. But that doesn’t fit into your agenda, I know.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:41 pmSteven…I get it! We, here in America , should be very concerned about a mad scientist over in South Korea. Gotcha!
Meanwhile, let’s totally ignore the thousands of brave men and women sacrificing their lives over in…..ummmmm what’s that country….Irock or something?
Priorities, Steven, and education, are always a good thing
August 9th, 2006 at 5:45 pmSteven,
I have read the Bible and it’s derogatory to woman. It’s why I left the religion and am an Atheist. I’d rather burn in Hell (not that I believe in that, but am trying to make a point) than kowtow to your god. He’s a chauvantist pig.
Besides, if you knew anything about science, you’d know that man actually comes from woman – both physically and as an evolved branch of the species. The Y chromosome is a variation of the X to assure a greater diversity of the species…
August 9th, 2006 at 5:47 pmSteven,
again this paticular argument, has nothing to do with human cloning. I know it is easier to wrap the issues together instead of thinking logically. but they don’t really intermix. Stem Cell research to find possible cures for some of the worst diseases and disorders facing mankind do not have to coerce anyone to surrender eggs. they are primarily talking about using left over blastocytes from fertility clinics.
As for Dr. Hwang, if I remember correctly the guy was a quack and a fruad. I think you are comparing all of the research in this area to just one doctor. Talk about over generalizations. Frankly I am concerned about the possibity of abuse, and think that appropriate guidlines should be set. However banning stem cell research based upon an an illogical rather puritanical view is well not right.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:50 pmOh Steven, how is exploiting women for eggs any different than exploiting them to have babies they don’t want because you can’t handle the reality that abortion aborts a potential life and a conscious, viable baby.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:51 pmaborts a potential life and NOT a conscious, viable baby.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:52 pmSteven;
August 9th, 2006 at 6:02 pm“Focus for the Family” quotes are false and misleading. The brochure is pretending an authority and respectability it does NOT have, trying to show the brochures viewpoint is shared by some respectable women’s organization, which isn’t true.
You seem to believe that the ends justify the means. I don’t. Focus should try to fight its battles honestly with truth and not lies.
Would you be for embryonic stem cell research if Federal or state regulations protected egg donors? Most research institutes prohibit accepting eggs from Graduate students and Assistants since the possibility of undue influence is always present.
Steven won’t answer the simple question about where was his concern about women being exploited in so many other ways? Just watch a little TV, a women’s sexuality is used constantly to sell products, improve ratings, etc.
Steven, you are being exploited by a political party that wants you to think they really care about life, but really just wants your vote.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:48 pmAlso Steven,
All babies are born with all the female hormones, testosterone is a varient of female hormones.
This whole thing is about insecure men being insecure about their manhood. Steven is using “liberal” issues to express his insecurities as a man.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:52 pmI really shouldn’t be sticking up for Steven, but it could be that he reguards a woman’s eggs as being more precious to her than her time or her reputation. IE flaunting her body at a strip club might be a waste of time but the eggs aren’t replaceable and thus should be protected by law and society. I hate the thought that some people sell their kidneys or eyes or liver for money. I can bear the idea of people selling their blood as thats much less dangerous if properly done.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:55 pmBut what do I know? I have the intellectual’s weakness of being able to argue 4 or 5 sides of any issue unlike fanatics who can only see one side of a position.
I do think there should be safeguards for this type of research, and safeguards on where and how the eggs are obtained. I just think with a small abount of judicias review, the issue could be carefully monitered.
August 9th, 2006 at 7:00 pmYes, my eggs are precious to me – but not for making babies. They are only more valuable than my time if I could donate them to stem cell research so that I might contribute to finding a cure for some really horrible diseases.
Anybody can make a baby. Very few can make a difference in the world. I’d rather do the latter.
August 9th, 2006 at 7:03 pmHow come there isn’t an uproar about saving all those little swimmers that end up in tissue, dirty socks, etc.?
August 9th, 2006 at 7:06 pmI would like to have laws that stringently protect women from being coerced into donating eggs and preventing any research from being done on eggs or embryos from unreliable sources.
August 9th, 2006 at 7:11 pmStem cell research might lead to a cure for AIDS. Focus on the Family doesn’t want that. They want all fags to die.
August 9th, 2006 at 7:29 pmTime to bring out those trustry bumper stickers for this bunch of loons.
Focus On Your Own Damn Family!
August 9th, 2006 at 7:40 pmBut that doesn’t change the fact that science and religious dogma are not compatible.
Comment by Bluedog49 — August 9, 2006 @ 7:34 pm
The more Science I learn, the more convinced I am that organized religion is the true evil… teaching people to be hateful, ignorant, and judgmental.
Knowledge is power. Will to power.
August 9th, 2006 at 7:43 pmFocus On Your Own Damn Family!
Comment by June bug — August 9, 2006 @ 7:40 pm
Where can I get one of those? I’d actually consider putting it on my car…
August 9th, 2006 at 7:44 pmWe must stop exploitation by banning anything that could result in exploitation. Isn’t that obvious? It is also the solution to global warming since we have to ban cars because a used car salesman might exploit you. Haven’t you seen the news?
Huan Hung Lo, used car salesman in Pusan, South Korea lured a poor Korean woman into his swank suburban office and requested certain “sexual favors” in return for a considerable discount on her car purchase. When she returned later for her car he actually charged her more than the actual value of the car. Being a, you know, woman, she of course was unaware of his deception and even if she had been aware, would have had to display her womanly obedience and buy the car. Therefore we see that our only logical choice to protect American women is to ban automobiles, lest this monstrous exploitation be allowed to spread.
Now, let’s apply Steven’s logic to organized religion and religious “leaders”…(uh-oh)
August 9th, 2006 at 8:38 pm“One of our concerns is that conservative folks are co-opting feminist language to suit their cause,†Galpern told the St. Louis Dispatch. Galpern told ThinkProgress that groups like Focus on the Family are “taking women’s health advocates language for their larger goal of trying to stop embryonic stem cell research.â€
Yet another example of how conservatives have to manipulate language, and therefore, destroy our ability to properly communicate in a democratic fashion, in order to achieve their political goals.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:48 pmHow come there isn’t an uproar about saving all those little swimmers that end up in tissue, dirty socks, etc.?
Comment by For Truth
A variation of the farmer’s blow? :P
August 9th, 2006 at 9:21 pmAs a Christian, I find it sad and infuriating that so many people have been raised Christian but turn from the faith because of the hypocrisy, deceit, intolerance, cruelty, self-righteousness, and belittling of human reason that is prevelant in what I call the Modern Christian Pharisee. These pseudo-Christians try to convert others through lies, intimidation, and political power rather than through grace, kindness, caring, and justice. I am also respectful of and value science and am equally infuriated by the distortion of its truths by these same Christian Pharisees. Focus on the Family is evil.
August 9th, 2006 at 10:04 pmSay it ain’t so. Neoconservatives lying? Say it ain’t so.
Where’s the Outrage?
August 9th, 2006 at 11:07 pmThese pseudo-Christians try to convert http://www.ggbd.info/sitemap.htm others through lies, intimidation, and political power rather than through grace, kindness, caring, and justice.
August 9th, 2006 at 11:08 pmHi Zooey.
August 9th, 2006 at 11:24 pmHi For Truth — if you’re still around…
August 9th, 2006 at 11:32 pmBooga Booga Booga STEM CELL RESEARCH!
August 9th, 2006 at 11:43 pmThis is pretty silly. Every rebuttal to the information I’ve posted is pretty much an ad hominem attack against me, religion or conservatives. I know it’s difficult to defend the position that exploiting women for scientific gain is fine and dandy, but at least some people here could try to explain why instead of dodging the issue or attacking others.
August 10th, 2006 at 2:42 amFocus on the Family members are certified far-right fanatics, so they can all drop dead!
August 10th, 2006 at 2:43 amGalpern told ThinkProgress that groups like Focus on the Family are “taking women’s health advocates language for their larger goal of trying to stop embryonic stem cell research.â€
August 10th, 2006 at 3:54 amGalpern told ThinkProgress that groups like Focus on the Family are “taking women’s health advocates language for their larger goal of trying to stop embryonic stem cell research.
August 10th, 2006 at 8:23 amTypical FOF garbage. They think that women are so weak-minded and stupid that they must be ’saved’ from themselves. But their ‘noble mission’ overlooks one, rather important detail here, it takes two to tango. An egg, by itself, will never become a blastocyst. Ever. Why aren’t they worried about the exploitation of the SPERM donors? Given their basic nature, men are far more likely to be lured into ‘dangerous’ sperm donation. Why not ‘focus’ on men for a change? Without sperm, an egg cannot be fertilized. The time has come for men to be held responsible for their part in the procreation process. Against Stem Cell research? Quit donating, or providing sperm. Quit telling women what to do, YOU stop being a provider your own damn selves. You want control? CONTROL YOURSELVES! Leave women alone.
August 10th, 2006 at 9:05 amSteven;
August 10th, 2006 at 9:42 amSome of us are trying to stick with the original premise of the thread. Lies and distortions by Focus on the Family, which suggest that several women’s organization are actually opposing stem cell research when those organizations support it.
Other people are claiming that there is very little exploitation of egg donors.
Why do you think that you are being attacked?
Well said, Cyra. Admirable restraint…
August 10th, 2006 at 9:47 amWherever you stand on this issue, we ought to admit that somatic cell nuclear transplant IS cloning.
This is the exact method that Korean scientist Hwang Woo-suk said he was doing, and everyone back then called it cloning (before we found out it was a fraud). He wasn’t saying he cloned a baby, but that he cloned an embryo. Of course, all the media reports called it cloning, too (because that’s what it is).
But, for some reason, everyone in Missouri doesn’t want to call it cloning. That’s disingenuous.
August 10th, 2006 at 9:55 amWell, see, Bush is really more of a cell uniter and not so much a cell divider.
Hey, why don’t they take those 400,000 blastocysts, or whatever they are now, and see if they can’t all be put together into one super embryo! Then one mother (and one father!) could adopt it, and people could keep dying of horrible diseases, as God intended.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:20 amYou want control? CONTROL YOURSELVES! Leave women alone.
Comment by Cyra Brown — August 10, 2006 @ 9:05 am
That should be the end of Steven. Excellent post Cyra!
August 10th, 2006 at 4:40 pmHow does ‘Steven’ think they get the eggs for the IVF process? They sure as hell don’t sit on a ‘nest’ and squirt them out, like a hen. For cryin’ out loud…
August 11th, 2006 at 4:02 amThis issue is not about the oppression of women. The question is when does life begin. It begins at conception, as God knows all the days you will live before you have lived them, and all humans were created in the image of God. This makes every single life of value, including fertilized eggs… Using these fertilized eggs for embryonic stem cell research is the destruction of life. Not to mention that embryonic stem cell research is basically worthless… as mentioned in this article: http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/bioethics/faqs/a0027184.cfm
August 17th, 2006 at 5:35 pmA side note here… the movement for abortion (which is directly related to this topic, because it deals with the value of life) throughout history can always be traced to being lead/supported mainly by men [who wanted promiscuity without responsibility]. Talk about being “controlled” by men. Women in favor of this are being controlled and have been for years…..
I am one of the county coordinators for the MAHC (Missourians Against Human Cloning), and I have read this brochure. Do you know what the Amendment that this brochure is trying to defeat, actually says? If not please go to http://www.nocloning.com and read it – you may be very shocked at what you read. If this Amendment passes it would allow researchers to pay women for their eggs, possibly implant embryos for the sole purpose of harvesting stem cells and aborting the fetus. So do I thick that Focus on the Family is doing a good thing with this? You Bet!! As a Christian corporation in America they have the responsibility of educating as many people as they can. As a Christian I have a responsibililty to do the same, and I will. I could go on and on about the facts so why don’t you do us a favor and read them for yourself!!!
August 30th, 2006 at 2:12 pmRe: heather ackman (82)
October 19th, 2006 at 1:30 pmYou are missing the point entirely. Have you read any other post here??
And yes, we’ve all seen your propaganda at nocloning.org, the question is, have you even attempted to educate yourself or do you choose to just accept what is spoon-fed to you? Seriously, look for information from people & organizations not representing either side of the ballot issue.
This could an absolute gold mine. When you are asked what you want to do for a job. Forget selling restate. You could start selling eggs. Wow, the $ just flash in my eyes. Seriously, you guys in all of these posts no one talks about the real issue. It is all about who has the right do what they want. I want it my way and screw every one else. All I have to say is remember today what side of the issue your on. In 20 years when it has gone terribly wrong make sure you remeber what side of the issue you fought for.
January 23rd, 2007 at 11:47 am