Right-Wing Radio Host: Jews Who Criticize Israel Hate Themselves
Right-Wing Radio Host: Jews Who Criticize Israel Hate Themselves
Yesterday on Fox News’s Your World With Neil Cavuto, right-wing talk show host Dennis Prager explained that the reason Jews criticize Israel is because they are plagued by “self-hate” from being “hurt by so many anti-Semites.” They believe, “if I take the side of those who wish to kill us, I won’t be hurt.” Watch it:
Oy vey.
Full transcript below:
CAVUTO: As someone who is Jewish, very quickly Dennis, could you explain to me why many in the Jewish community bash Israel to the extent they do?
PRAGER: Oh, I can, but you need to give me a few more minutes. I’m good at sound bites, I really mastered this ability. But well, let me just say this way. This is a problem in Jewish history known as self-hate. Where Jews have been hurt so much — holocausts, pogroms, inquisitions — Jews have been so hurt by so many anti-Semites, that it has played havoc with the Jewish psyche. And there are those who believe — not necessarily even consciously — if I take the side of those who wish to kill us, I won’t be hurt.
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Prager??!!!! Hello, Retard alert, I can do a dissertation on this blathering tool. hard to distinguish where his mouth ends and sphincter begins. Zionist experts are a dime a dozen.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:05 pmThat’s the same crap bushco has been peddling to americans….
Strangely enough, redstaters can’t seem to get enough of it…..
August 9th, 2006 at 5:05 pmreminds me of the curb episode where larry is accused of being a self-loathing jew for whistling wagner.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:05 pmMr. Prager need look no farther than editorials on Haaretz.com for self-hating Jews. There’s plenty of Chomskys there with this crazy idea that peace between Israelis and Palestinians isn’t sustainable as long as Palestinians live under a military dictatorship.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Prager: “And there are those who believe — not necessarily even consciously — if I take the side of those who wish to kill us, I won’t be hurt.” – - I’m not a licensed psychotherapist but I play one on the TV!
August 9th, 2006 at 5:10 pmMotto is disent is laothsome, varyingf opinion from the Reinstag is unpatriotic drivel and must be lambasted. No don’t ever speak your own opinion. Now we see why Israel is the Minnie Me USA of the Middle East. Brow beat and bludgeon everyone around you in a vitriolic self destructive rationalization of “War on Terror” then sulk when you are alone in the world. Self fulfilling prophecy for these Criminals.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:10 pmthat guy is a jew who makes people hate jews…
back to dachau with him
August 9th, 2006 at 5:10 pmThese righties are becomiong more unhinged everyday!
August 9th, 2006 at 5:12 pmHow dare anyone dislike what their government does!
August 9th, 2006 at 5:14 pminteresting case of racism
August 9th, 2006 at 5:17 pmApril 1st was over 4 months ago…. When will the parade of Fools end?
August 9th, 2006 at 5:18 pmWhat is it with these right wingers that if you don’t have a child-like, unquestioning love of “X” you must “hate” “X”? And “X” can be George W. Bush, America. Israel, or their own sphincters.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:19 pmI must be a self – hating Catholic I criticise the Church ALL the time !
August 9th, 2006 at 5:24 pmMust have skipped Logic 101 in college…..
August 9th, 2006 at 5:24 pm#12 – Right Wing Authoritarians are wired that way. They have an unfailing loyalty in the authority that tells them what they want to hear and a self-righteous belief that repeating what they hear from their authority is the absolute truth. You should read John Dean’s Conservatives without Conscience. It’s an eye opening book.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:25 pmIsreal is the “Id” of the USA, they do everthing the US secretly wishes it could do, but the superego prevents it.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:26 pmSo sick of the TOXIC CERTAINTY of this crowd.
This “if you are not for us you are against us” posturing is going end… starting in November!
August 9th, 2006 at 5:28 pmOK. One question, why do get to watch these bozos but we dont watch, say Michael Moore, Naomi Klein, Chomsky, Zinn, or even (please, dont jump) a communist?
August 9th, 2006 at 5:30 pmJust for the sake of diversity.
Wow, the sociopath Republican right wing is melting down fast and hard. They don’t know what to do anymore and now they just lash out at anything and everything. They talk about the “moonbat” left and the haters they have the left beat by a mile.
Wow.
-GSD
August 9th, 2006 at 5:31 pmFor his and Faux News Info.I am Jewish I don’t hate myself I just don’t support Murder! I am also Not a Nationalistic Parrot either.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:31 pmI have never seen Hugh Hewitt, Dennis Prager and FAUX SNOOZE tool John Gibson in the same room at one time. I think they are all Rove-bot clones.
-GSD
August 9th, 2006 at 5:32 pmThis is the typical fascist bullcrap – totally dismiss your opponents well thought out logical conclusion by calling them mentally ill.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:33 pm#18 – When the communist threat faded, the right needed a new “enemy.” That enemy is the “liberal.” (Try it – substitute “communist” for “liberal” in any of these right winger tyrades)
If they must be seen consorting with these demons, it must be in such a way that they can hold them up to ridicule. Under no circumstances can they allow someone who has the ability to sound reasonable to speak.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:38 pmSince the right constantly claims all liberals are communists, it isn’t that hard Toon =)
but you are right about an external enemy. Say oh I don’t know unkown religious fanatics in the middle east?
August 9th, 2006 at 5:41 pmThe government is the people… Damn that’s genius!
By his logic – all Americans that criticized Clinton are self loathing America hating pussies.
Also by his logic – the same could be said about those that criticize Bush.
I guess there must only be twelve or thirteen truly brave America loving people left in the United States?
August 9th, 2006 at 5:44 pmfunny thing is how many kibbutzes that ARE communist.
i know several people who grew up on a kibbutz and they tell me things straight out of the USSR!
strange how the neo-cons are so into israel when the settlements have such a communist slant.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:46 pmPrager thinks he’s an intellectual but the only way he seems to win arguments is by turning off a dissenters microphone. He is an arrogant, smug ass.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:46 pmFor a definition of self hate, please check your nearest mirror, mr Pricker.
August 9th, 2006 at 5:52 pmWhere do they dig up these idiots?
August 9th, 2006 at 5:54 pmOf course there are self-hating Jews – and I pity them. I have seen them at ANSWER rallies protesting, in magazines babbling, and being interviewed by a variety of commentators. If you examine these putzs, you’ll find they had liberal mamas and bubby’s who urged them to “reason” with killers. My dear sweet mother, on the other hand was part of the “never again” breed – who saw what havoc was wreaked when Neville Chamberlain and his band of gutless intelligensia ruled the day. And as usual, someone else is expected to go in and clean up the mess left by the Chamberlains’ of the world.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:00 pmWell as usual someone has to go in and clean up the messes left by the conservative crowd.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:09 pmHow people like this end up on television (or, better yet, why any viewers actually choose to watch such gibberish and nonsense) is beyond me. What’s a real network got to do in order to duplicate the appeal of FOX News to the uncritical masses of red state America?
August 9th, 2006 at 6:14 pmSome of my fellow Jews falsely believe they have a monopoly on suffering and pain. They cry “Never Again!” and they really do mean it, until of course, it’s their turn to do the killing. These are the same bunch who join themselves to the American Christian Taliban, making all sorts of excuses for Mel Gibson’s anti-Semitic rantings.
Shem zich nit! You are a human being before all else!
August 9th, 2006 at 6:16 pmWhat saddens me is the number of people who want the fighting to continue, who want the killing to go on, and, worse yet, can somehow find a way to rationalize in their minds that this is all okay. It is not okay.
I, for one, am sick and tired of the “self-defense†argument used to justify continued violence. Violence begets more violence and, in the end, you are left with a lot of dead people and, more likely than not, the same problems that started the violence in the first place.
I am atheist, so I have no stake in this religious fighting. I understand that the creation of the state of Israel was done to give Jews a homeland they could call their own, except who decided that only the Jews could call that land “home� If Jerusalem is an important city for several major religions, then why not just declare it an International City open to everyone, belonging to no one?
If everyone in the region truly wanted peace, they could have it today! All they have to do is stop trying to kill one another. That’s all it would take. Just put down the weapon and say, “I am not going to kill anyone over this any more. It’s not worth it.†But no, they have to respond to violence with even more violence.
The Middle East will never see peace as long as people continue to look for (or cause) some excuse to keep killing. They have to address the root causes of the problem or it will never be resolved. And if neither side wants peace badly enough, then maybe none of them should have that land. Either they all live in peace and harmony together, or nobody lives there. Why do people continue to believe that the God they worship wants them to kill people? That makes no sense to me at all.
Anyone who supported the Bush Administration’s rejection of calls for a cease fire has proven that they believe killing people is acceptable, because that’s the result of rejecting peace.
And I wish peace to all of you, and good night.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:21 pmThis guy and other hate-mongers know that hate sells–very well.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:25 pmDear Mr./Ms. Aronovitz – I’m sure you are a US military veteran – just as my husband and I are. Of course we’re human beings first – it’s a sad thing that you don’t take that message and spread it to the powers that be in the Arab and Iranian world…..
As I have said before, if you were to disarm the Israelis -what do you think the reaction of the Palestinians and anti-Jewish Arabs would be?? If you were to disarm the Islamo-wacks (who wish the death and destruction of Israel first- and the West second) and through an epiphany they had a change of heart toward Jews, do you think IDF would attack Arabs?
L’ Chaim….
August 9th, 2006 at 6:26 pm“Jews Who Criticize Israel Hate Themselves”
How can anyone stupid enough to say something like that have enough smarts to string words together?
August 9th, 2006 at 6:30 pmThank you Wayne, for your atheist insight – if you and the others who are sick and tired of “the self defense” argument would start blasting that message on Islamic blogs and message boards, and write to Arabic newspapers opining your “let’s all just get along” solution – that would be a GREAT start. Next, you may wish to open up the curriculum at the Islamic madrassas – a steady diet of “we hate jews and the rest of the infidels” takes quite a toll on young boys….
Finally, when the Islamo-wacks start passing laws abridging the civil rights of you and your fellow atheists, start rounding you up in segregated neighbourhoods, and conclude with free train rides and Zyclon-B showers, get back with me….love to chat…..
August 9th, 2006 at 6:33 pmKilling dissent is very patriotic. Anyone who thinks differently hates America. Blah, blah, blah A true sycophant that would have made Hitler, Stalin and Mao proud!
August 9th, 2006 at 6:34 pmThank you, mighty aphrodite,
I’ll be sure to give your comments the thought they deserve.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:36 pmMA asked:
Who says you have to disarm? Israel needs to move out of occupied territory it has no legal right to. Better yet, it should sotp taking American taxpayer money to fund an illegal occupation. As a veteran I don’t have a problem recognizing Iraqis were acting within the laws of war killing coalition troops until the U.N. passed a new resolution. Accepting the consequences that come with acting outside the boundary of international law is part and parcel of a military operation designed to shelter a housing boom for settlers in the West Bank.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:42 pmInternational law says you can’t kill civilians because they are in the way of the “bad guys”. It says you don’t attack another country that didn’t ever attack you. It says you can’t torture people because you are sick perverted excuse for a real human being. However the President reserves the right to do all these things and has done them. To actually prevent middle east conflicts you need to follow these laws not just pay lip service to them. Protecting your citizens extends to your border but no further. Then you get the international community to talk to, negotiate, and refuse to do business with the violators.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:51 pmDoesn’t anyone at Faux ever think to himself:
Man, Faux News has turned into a f**king circus
It’s as if they are trying to destroy themselves, but inviting anyone and everyone who is willing to say something outrageous, or make a hateful remark.
It’s like listening to the profane neighbor’s kid utter one bad word after another, and wondering everyday, what new bad words he has learned.
August 9th, 2006 at 7:02 pmWhy are people like Mighty afraid that America will be taken over by Islamofascists, if we don’t stay in a state of war with the Middle East? I think its a straw man argument, trying to instill fear. At worst, if the middle east is left alone, Isreal will either gets its ass kicked, or they will nuke the region. I don’t see the Taliban arriving on our shores and taking over. The American gun loving folks wouldn’t let it happen. Mr. Aphrodite will personally see to it I’m sure.
August 9th, 2006 at 7:44 pmHere’s the real question:
What is the difference between and Islamofacist and a Christofacist?
August 9th, 2006 at 7:46 pmActually, Mighty might look good in a Burka after the take-over. Hey I’m a man, so how bad could it really be, I get many breaks a day to kneel and pray.
August 9th, 2006 at 7:47 pmI think that John Lennon had it right when he said imagine all the self righteous bloviating religious shitbags accepting their Heavenly rewards at the end of inward turned gun… something like that.
Hmmmmmmmm Now that’s good imagining!
August 9th, 2006 at 7:51 pmJeez, I am going to have to start watching Fox News just for the comedic effect.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:02 pmThose show hosts and their guests are a riot!
“Jews that critcize Israel hate themselves”. Well maybe we could use an example, Had more Germans criticised the Nazis there would be more Jews around today.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:07 pmPrager should look in the mirror and see what Jews who buddy up to Apocalypse-wishing rightwingers does to a person.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:29 pm(yeah, I know it is “your’s” not “yours”)
August 9th, 2006 at 8:29 pmPeople who support war hate humanity. War increases suffering in the world.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:30 pmHas anyone else noticed that MA does not use conventional American spelling (ex. “behaviour†rather than “behaviorâ€). I wonder if this is some elitist thing or s/he/it (â€sheeitâ€!!) is not an American citizen.
Comment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian) — August 9, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
Could MA perhaps be the after hours persona of Christopher Hitchens? The logic is just as tortured, and the incoherent writing can be explained by drunkeness.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:39 pmWhy does Dennis Prger hate…..everyone?
August 9th, 2006 at 9:25 pmDammit! P-R-A-G-E-R
August 9th, 2006 at 9:25 pmSimple logic:
Jew who criticises the government of Israel = Self hater
Non-Jew who criticises the government of Israel = Anti-Semite
This is how you manufacture legitimacy.
August 9th, 2006 at 9:34 pmHalf of Israel is against its war with Lebanon but you will never hear that due to the curtain of propaganda from Israel and America
August 9th, 2006 at 9:45 pmSame “logic” that concludes that those Americans who criticize American policies are “America haters”. The people who make these statements have no apparent insight into their own functioning, so how in the world can they even begin to claim to have any perception of progressives’ motivations and feelings?
August 9th, 2006 at 9:47 pmBIG FOOT, SCOOP JACKSON DEMOCRATS AND OTHER MYTHS
August 9, 2006
I suppose we’ll have to wait yet another election cycle for all those “Scoop Jackson Democrats” to come roaring back in and give us a Democratic Party that does not consistently root against America.
On the bright side, it is now official: Democrats are not merely confused patriots, so blinded by their hatred for President Bush that they cannot see their way to supporting any aspect of the war on terrorism. Would that they were mere opportunistic traitors!
As some of us have been trying to tell you, Democrats don’t oppose the war on terrorism because they hate Bush: They hate Bush because he is fighting the war on terrorism. They would hate him for fighting terrorists even if he had a “D” after his name. They would hate Bernie Sanders if he were fighting a war on terrorism. In the past three decades, there have been more legitimate sightings of Big Foot than of “Scoop Jackson Democrats.”
That’s why Hillary Clinton has anti-war protestors howling at her public events. That’s why she has drawn an anti-war primary opponent, Jonathan Tasini, who appears to believe that Israel is a terrorist state. If those rumors I’ve been hearing about a Hezbollah/Hamas/DNC merger are true, we might be in for a slightly longer fight.
In Tuesday’s primary, Connecticut Democrats dumped Joe Lieberman, an 18-year incumbent, because he supports the war on terrorism. This is the same Joe Lieberman who voted against all the Bush tax cuts, against banning same-sex marriage, against banning partial-birth abortion, against the confirmation of Judge Alito, against drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and in favor of the Kyoto accords. Oh yes, this was also the same Joe Lieberman who was the Democrats’ own vice presidential candidate six years ago.
Despite all this, Connecticut Democrats preferred stalwart anti-war candidate Ned Lamont, great-nephew of Corliss Lamont, WASP plutocrat fund-raiser for Stalin. Lamont’s main political asset is that he is a walking, breathing argument in favor of a massive inheritance tax. His plan for fighting the terrorists is to enact a single-payer government health plan and universal pre-K education programs. His goal is to unite the “cut” and “run” wings of his party into one glorious coalition.
The Democrats can hold it in for a few years, but eventually the McGovernite face of the Democratic Party reappears.
Lamont declared victory surrounded by Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Kim Gandy of the fanatically pro-abortion group known euphemistically as the “National Organization for Women.”
Congresswoman Maxine Waters had parachuted into Connecticut earlier in the week to campaign against Lieberman because he once expressed reservations about affirmative action, without which she would not have a job that didn’t involve wearing a paper hat. Waters also considers Joe “soft” on the issue of the CIA inventing crack cocaine and AIDS to kill all the black people in America.
Gandy’s support for Lamont must have been a particularly bitter pill for Lieberman to swallow, inasmuch as he has long belonged to the world’s smallest organization solely to satisfy bloodthirsty feminists like Gandy — Orthodox Jews for Partial-Birth Abortion. (OJFPBA has just slightly more members than GBRFC, “Gay Black Republicans for Choice.”)
To give you a snapshot of today’s Democratic Party, in 2004, pollster Scott Rasmussen asked likely voters if they believed America was generally a fair and decent country and whether they believed the world would be a better place if more countries were like America.
Republicans agreed that America is generally fair and decent, 83 percent to 7 percent. Eighty-one percent agreed that the world would be a better place if more countries were like the United States.
By contrast, Democrats were nearly split, with only 46 percent agreeing that America is generally a fair and decent country, and with 37 percent saying America is not a generally fair and decent country. Only 48 percent of Democrats said they thought that the world would be a better place if more countries were like the United States.
Democrats constantly complain that the nation has never been so divided, but consider that half of them think the statement that America is a good country is a divisive remark.
So remember: When you vote Democratic, you’re saying NO to mindless patriotism. This country isn’t so great!
The free world, which is rapidly boiling down to us and Israel, is under savage attack. Treason is rampant in the country. True, Democrats hate Bush, but they would hate anybody who fights the war on terrorism. It is a hostile world, and there is now a real question about the will of the American people to survive.
August 9th, 2006 at 10:04 pmI live in LA and remember listening to Prager a few times on the radio. He struck me as a being a pontificating, self righteous, holier-than-thou jerk. I guess I could add fanatical Zionist propagandist to that list now.
August 9th, 2006 at 10:13 pmAmerica (the poster here)
August 9th, 2006 at 10:16 pmHow can you use so many words and say so little?
looks like fascist America OD’d on the Kool-aid. America,the US is MINE, THE American Patriot, and you,the reichwing are the unAmerican Fascist Corporate Terrorists. Get the F out of MY country freeks.
Democrats=Patriots
Far Right Republicans= Nationalists, and a much smaller crowd than they would have you know.
Fight you for it?
August 9th, 2006 at 10:21 pmThanks for the dissertation, America. How many more years and terms (and scandals) will it take for this Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican Executive Branch, and all three supported by a Republican appointed Supreme Court to get around to doing anything correct? Seems to me with all this Republican control, Democrats can hardly be taken to task, can they?
August 9th, 2006 at 10:21 pmAmerica
August 9th, 2006 at 10:32 pmI am absolutely, unequivocably TIRED of having the right wing call me unpatriotic because I find fault with the policies of America. As a father, I criticized and punished my daughter when she did something wrong because I love her and want her to be the best, most moral person she can be (and I’m proud of the adult she has turned out to be, BTW). In like fashion, I reserve the right and DUTY to criticize and condemn the actions of MY country and its politicians when they stray from the values and ideals that make her the best country in the world. THAT’S patriotism, not your “love it or leave it” crap.
#65 Piss off America, you Xenophobic f**wit.
August 9th, 2006 at 11:07 pmEither comment #65 is a parody, or this person is unhinged from reality.
August 9th, 2006 at 11:19 pmI posted this in an earlier thread. It fits perfectly here.
From José Steingler (translation by me) :}
7 fallacies from the ticket-master dominant speech:
1. Israel acts on self-defense
Wrong: Fron its creation, Israel wants to take over the waters of Litani river, located on the south of Lebanon. To acomplish that, he needs a puppet government in Beirut.
2. Israel is the only nation in the world that is wished to be erased from the map
Wrong: In more than a decade, groups in countries like East Timor, Kurdistan (?), Yugoslavia, Russia, Irak, Palestine, Afghanistan and Lebanon were erased into oblivion.
3. Lebanon was bombed because Hezbollah kidnapped two jewsih soldiers.
Wrong: The “road of Damascus†and plans from a “New Middle East†made by Washington and Tel Aviv were not thought last night and they seek the dominance of Beirut.
4. Dead people are the result of a game dictated from Iran and Syria.
Wrong: Dead people are the result of Israel bombings and the popular resistance led by Hezbollah, insurgent nationalist movement and lebanese political party.
5. The dream of “the Great Syria†is still going.
Wrong: the dream of people from Levante is surviving and coordinating fights against terrorism that Israel and US conducts globally and in the region.
6. The Hebrew State has less economic resources than its neighbors.
Wrong: Israel is in the 16th place of the richest countries in the world, with a higher rent per capita than the one of its neighbors, including Saudi Arabia. From 1949 to 1998 the aid received from US added up to $84 billions. Jets, choppers, fuel, GBU-28 bombs and other kind of weapons (some of them are experimental) are supplied by US. But the media dont talk about this. They talk about the rusty Katiushka missiles fired by Hezbollah.
7. The silence of the nations that allowed the arming of Hezbollah is the source of the conflict.
August 9th, 2006 at 11:33 pmWrong: the source of the “conflict†is the hypocresy, complicity and silence of the so called “free worldâ€.
Hey, it’s not just the military tool but also the interviewer…
Someone needs to put these folks at Fox in their place… we need someone like George Galloway… check out what he did to the interviewer on Ruppert Murdoch’s SkyNews recently:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14391.htm
August 9th, 2006 at 11:42 pmAround 2000 there was a movement to address the isreal/Palistine problem in the same way that the South Africa problem was solved. Almost immedialty sharon proposed the 2 state solution. I, as a humanist, disagree with treating any group of people as less than human. I say let everyone back in. Give everyone a vote. isreal chauvinists would say “but then we wouldn’t have a jewish state”. I say “Hell, it appears isreal controls the US with only 5% of the population being jewish. Imagine how well they could control isreal/Pallestine with 35% of the vote”.
August 9th, 2006 at 11:47 pmNice one Bowdler, but its about the religion.
August 9th, 2006 at 11:51 pmIt’s nice that when engaging in a legitimate argument over Dennis Prager, someone on this site can still be counted on to come up with a winner like:
“Back to Dachau with him”
Nice.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:40 amPrager is off base. It’s not about self hate, though he may wish it so, it is that people, PEOPLE, because we are all human beings, are weary of wars. Mr Prager is trying to create anti-semitism where it does not thus exist.
If a person follows a Jewish ideology and is against war, that in no way equals self-hate.
If a person follows a Christian ideology and is against war, that in no way equals self-hate.
Apparently Mr Prager isn’t able to build self hating anti-semites in the Republican or Democratic crowd, except maybe in the fundamentalist base such as Falwell or Rushdoony, whom Oddly Mr Prager is NOT attacking for their Jewish bias. ODD indeed.
Mr Prager I don’t, and many others here, don’t hate humanity. To hate a Jew or an Hispanic or an Atheiist is, to me, to hate humanity.
If you are looking for ’self haters’ Mr Prager you are barking up the wrong tree.
August 10th, 2006 at 1:54 amThey believe, “if I take the side of those who wish to kill us, I won’t be hurt.â€
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This guys logic is so mucked up it makes no sense, who is goiing to Kill someone for being a self hater? If I hated myself then wouldn’t I kill myself?
If they criticize Israel does that mean Israel want’s to kill them for hating themselves?
Seems rather pointless to me.
Or is this self-hate, Mr. Prager, caused by fundamentalist Christians who need many Jewsish people to be pass on so they can rise up to the pearly heavenly gates of armageddon??
Nonetheless we are all basically related within six degrees of separation.
Does my plasma type, if transfused into same type, give life to another human no matter what race or religion they are? Yes.
How so can this intelligent man Prager still be such a caveman in his ways? Did you know Mr Prager we are living in the Twentieth Century and not 17th century France or Russia?
August 10th, 2006 at 2:10 amJewish people who support Israeli aggression no matter what hate themselves! Slaughtering civilians in Lebanon is plainly crazy, so bravo to anyone who notices that being vile/disgusting!
August 10th, 2006 at 2:36 amthat guy looks like Dennis Hastert and sounds equally as dumb
August 10th, 2006 at 4:33 amThis is Nasrallah
“I tell the Zionists that you can invade but this will be very expensive,” he said in a television broadcast late Wednesday. “You will not be able to stay on our land … we will transform our dear south into the graveyard of the Zionist invaders and if there is no other way than a confrontation then welcome to the large-scale ground operation.” On Wednesday, the army confirmed it had lost 15 soldiers in its biggest single-day toll of the conflict, taking to 80 the number of troops killed since start of the campaign.
On Thursday, Lebanese police reported that four Israeli tanks were destroyed and burnt near Marjayun. Hezbollah claimed the destruction of eight Merkava tanks in the area.
Lebanese officials say more than 1,000 civilians have died since July 12, mostly as a result of Israeli bombing raids across the country, and that close to one million, a quarter of the population, have fled their homes.
Despite urgent pleas from relief agencies for a respite from the fighting to get in desperately needed aid to south Lebanon, Washington said it had no idea when talks at the United Nations would produce an agreement on the wording of a ceasefire call.
Israel’s Deputy Prime Minister Eli Yishai forecast that the war would last at least another month.
“It is believed that it will last another 30 days,” Yishai said Wednesday after the cabinet decision. “I fear it could last much longer.” Despite its military superiority, Israel’s armed forces have found it much harder than expected to crush the Shiite Muslim Hezbollah and to quell its deadly rocket attacks.
Most of the residents of the northern Israeli town of Kiryat Shmona have left in the first evacuation of an entire town since the creation of Israel in 1948.
Insisting in his broadcast that his arsenal had not been seriously depleted by the Israeli offensive, Nasrallah urged Arab residents of Haifa to allow Hezbollah free rein to press its missile attacks against Israel’s third city.
At the United Nations, US ambassador John Bolton told reporters he thought some progress had been made on redrafting the resolution, but said “I don’t want to underestimate the difficulties that we are trying to overcome.” Diplomats said no vote on a resolution was likely before Friday.
The United States, Israel’s major ally, wants Israeli troops to be able to remain until an international force arrives, fearing that Hezbollah could take back control of the border area.
Amid growing international impatience, diplomats hinted that a compromise could be found by stating that Israel only has to start its withdrawal when fighting ends.
International aid agencies have voiced increasing alarm about the humanitarian situation in Lebanon, which has been virtually cut off from the outside world by an Israeli air and sea blockade and the destruction of roads and bridges and other infrastructure.
British-based Oxfam warned of a “logistical nightmare” in reaching the hardest-hit victims in Lebanon.-AFP
August 10th, 2006 at 6:38 amThe Jerusalem Post
Fifteen IDF soldiers were killed in fighting in south Lebanon. Thirty-one soldiers were wounded during the battles, five of whom were listed in serious condition. Another 10 soldiers were reported injured moderately.
The names of five of the reservists were released for publication on Thursday morning.
IDF troops, backed by tanks and armored vehicles, entered the south Lebanon town of Marjayoun early Thursday, witnesses said.
Residents said the soldiers took up positions at the northern entrances of the Christian town, located about 9 kilometers from the border with Israel.
The troops met no resistance as they pushed their way in, the witnesses said.
For a Jerusalem Online video of events click here
Nine reserve infantry soldiers from an elite unit including Cap. Shtukelman and Sgt. -Maj. Kubelik were killed on Wednesday afternoon when an anti-tank missile was fired at the house they were stationed in during clashes with Hizbullah forces in the village of Dbil in the western sector of south Lebanon.
Four reservists from the 847th Brigade were killed when an anti-tank missile hit their tank during a fierce gun battle in the south Lebanese village of Ayta al-Shaab in the western sector. Among them were Sgt. -Maj. Goldman and Cap. Schmucher.
Another soldier, Sgt. -Maj. Shamidov, was killed in a mortar attack in Kliya south of Marjayoun in south Lebanon.
On Wednesday morning, one soldier was killed, two were seriously wounded and two others were lightly wounded when an IDF tank crew exchanged fire with an IDF infantry reserve force on Wednesday morning. The friendly fire incident took place in the village of Atayba in south Lebanon during which infantry troops opened fire on a Lebanese home that fellow IDF tank men were stationed in.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:39 amFunny. They just count their own tragedies.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:40 amLil dick cheney keeps telling us that its no mistake we havent been attacked since 9/11. No shit dick,the attacks have been in the planning stages. This proves how much of a failure this whole Iraq war has been,and this should be the talking point on every thread from here on out. Failure.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:22 amMA is a complete fraud. Reading several weeks of post from S/He has convinced me of nothing otherwise. Probably a troll.
Comment by dixie blood
To Dixie Blood,
August 10th, 2006 at 8:04 amMighty Hypocrite already admitted on a thread a few months ago (sorry: I don’t recall the topic) that he/she is a paid troll. He/she even suggested that Jay Randal and I troll for the Repugnacants, too, as they pay better than the “cheapskate (his/her words) Democrats.
First off, Israel:
I agree with their right to defend themselves, that territory everyone keeps on talking about was largely taken in a war where they were not the agressors, and frankly if you are a nation that repeatedly attacks another nation, don’t come crying to the rest of the world when you lose territory.
Though the creation of Israel was indeed unfair, the fact of the matter is that it is there and if the Arabs don’t like it, well tough titty. Israel has repeatedly shown its ability to defend itself, and the Arabs have still agitated for war against Israel as something of a marketting gimick. Though Israel is going overboard in Lebanon at the moment, the fact is that a lot of it is the result of their neighbours constantly attacking Israel and its right to exist. Eventually, Israel had to snap, and that is what is happening now.
A lot of you talk about how Israel is using a disproportionate amount of force, well the guys in Gaza and Hezbollah should have thought of the fact that Israel is much better armed then them before setting out to start a war with Israel. While Hezbollah is not the government of Lebanon, the government of Lebanon did absolutely nothing concrete to stop Hezbollah, so the government of Lebanon shares a portion of the blame.
Lastly, those who sneeringly call those two soldiers less then worthy cause for war, how would you feel if it was two American soldiers, maybe even family members? While I think that the war in Lebanon is not the right course of action (as it merely strengthens Hezbollah rather then weakens it, thus proving that war is indeed futile) I would be a hypocrit to claim that Israel is unjustified.
Next: Criticising Israel:
Why treat Israel as if it is a special case when it comes to criticism, am I a racist because I think that Robert Mugabe has run his country into the ground? Am I a anti-black neo-Nazi for thinking that what happened in Rwanda was evil? Indeed I disagree with the policies of a whole host of nations clear across the world, does this make me a xenophobe? No, it simply means I disagree with what those countries are doing.
If we start making exceptions to our ability to take exception then we are not fighting against racism, we become racists. If we allow an exception to be made in our ability to criticise other countries, then we admit that we think of the populations of those countries to being somehow lesser to ourselves. To criticise a nation is in a way a sign of high respect, because you do not expect good and honourable behavior from those who you think are incapable of it.
Too often the rightwing tries to sell the BS lie that disagreement equals hatred, disagreement equals disagreement, nothing more and nothing less. Criticism is born of disagreement, not hatred.
August 10th, 2006 at 8:20 amJews are people. Israel is a country.
August 10th, 2006 at 8:23 amIsrael’s Aim to Clear Path for US War on Iran
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s main purpose in meeting with Bush on May 25 was clearly to push the United States to agree to use force, if necessary, to stop Iran’s uranium enrichment program. Four days before the meeting, Olmert told CNN that Iran’s “technological threshold” is “very close.” In response to a question about U.S. and European diplomacy on the issue, Olmert replied: “I prefer to take the necessary measures to stop it, rather than find out later that my indifference was so dangerous.”
August 10th, 2006 at 8:37 am#87
“I agree with their right to defend themselvesâ€
And what rational person thinks that a country doen NOT have a right to “defend itselfâ€? The question is whether it is a matter of a nation defending itself, or a nation using any excuse it thinks it can get away with to further a political agenda unrelated to the cause for the need for “defending itselfâ€. The scale of what has occured goes far beyond any argument for “defending themselves”.
“if you are a nation that repeatedly attacks another nation…â€
Interesting. True in the broadest sense. Now, specifics: Lebanon did not attack Israel. Israel is attacking Lebanon. By your logic it is well within Lebanon’s right to attack Israel, for their own defense. Once military agression begins, both sides become “the attacked†and both sides can reasonably argue that they are defending themselves. This is a ‘catch 22’ of war. And where does this stand with America and its “war on terrorâ€? When this (undeclared by Congress) “war on terror†began, the entire people who are lumped in as “terrorists†are suddenly required to defend themselves, thus generating sympathy. You don’t go to “war†with criminals – you arrest criminals, try them, and, if guilty, punish them appropriately. By going to “war†with the criminals you legitimize their cause as being something more than criminal activity, and even though they have no nation, you have given them a de facto, nebulous “pseudo-nationality†(that of “being a ‘terrorist’â€). So, by this logic, America can bemoan any losses in the “war on terror†as “war lossesâ€, but cannot condemn the terrorists as common criminals, as they have become “enemy combatantsâ€, and part of a landless nation of terrorists.
“Though the creation of Israel was indeed unfair…â€
Fair enough. America is in the same boat (perhaps the subconscious reason that many Americans who are not “pro-Israel†or “pro-Zionist†support Israel). The US was founded on land stolen, coerced, and beaten out of the native Americans. But I have not seen a great outcry that Israel has no right to their country – their military actions are what is in question.
“Israel has repeatedly shown its ability to defend itself….â€
You claim that although Israel has displayed an effective military, “the Arabs†(pretty broad brush there, … you know that is a dishonest statement?) call for war “as something of a marketting gimickâ€. Pardon? A marketing gimmick? Are you serious? I think that “the Arabs†believe that they have aegitimate basis for their complaints – and their belief in the legitimacy of their stance is no less valid than the belief of the legitimacy of the Zionist stance. Because someone believes other than you is not cause to exterminate them. Because someone believes other than you does not mean they are wrong. And truth is, both sides could be equally correct. At this point, mature adults seek COMPRIMISE. And if they are too set in their thinking to see comprimise, it is the responsibility of other mature adults to help both parties see comprimise that has give and take for both parties. You “marketing gimmik†is an attempt to completely devalue any position that they have on the issue: infered: the Arabs are just marketing the issue, while the Israelies have legitimate claims. That is not true.
“Tough Israel is going overboard in Lebanon at the moment….â€
This is an apology for bad behavior. You say that they are going overboard, but, hey, they have been provoked and they just ‘snapped’. Oh, well. When someone “just snaps†you have to let it play out. I guess that you also apologize with the same argument for spousal abuse, or how about the Columbine kids? – they were provoked and harrassed by their fellow students, and at some poiont there “they just snappedâ€â€¦. So it’s just o.k… they were provoked, you know (and they were)….
“A lot of you talk about how Israel is using a disproportionate amount of force….â€
Again, you apologize for them. Here you argue that Hezbollah and “the guys in Gaza†(who are they? Do you mean the civilians?) declared war and, boy, they just should not have. I think the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah has been going on for, oh, I don’t know, some considerable time. So this was not “just startedâ€, and you know that.
“While Hezbollah is not the government of Lebanon….â€
From what I understand, Lebanon does not have the resources to fund an effective army, and so had no real military presence there. How about blaming the countries who offer support in t he region for military purposes: how much military aid has the US given Israel, and how much military aid has the US given Lebanon? You can’t build an army withou the resources to do so.
“Lastly, those who sneeringly call those two soldiers less then worthy cause for war….â€
The capture of two soldiers does not justify wholesale destruction of civilian population, massive civilian displacement, nor complete destruction of civilian infrastructure (to include any roads that the civilians who would LIKE to flee would have used, had they been intact and safe to travel on). It wasn’t too many years ago a few more than 2 Americans were taken hostage. America did NOT go to war over it, and managed to get the people back without killing innocent men, women, and children. So, America HAS already responded to such an instance, and in a completely different manner. Also, a soldier accepts upon enlistment (and I think Israel is a conscript army, but I claim my point still stands) that he may die for his nation. He (or she) also accept that he may become a prisoner. They were on duty and a bold raid netted two prisoners. From a military point of view, and following international military standards, that is NOT unacceptable: you may capture enemy forces (while the nature of their conflict may be in question, the fact is thet the two men ARE soldiers in a national army and thus assume as part of their duties the risks of being a soldier). So, no, the capture of two soldiers does not ever warrant wholesale civilian slaughter, not does it justify war on any level. It does justify all reasonable attempts to recover the soldiers alive, but these begin with negotiations. The captors immediately offered terms: a prisoner exchange (as Israel had, prior the the capture of the two soldiers, captured and imprisoned a good number of Hezbollah leaders… in that sense, it was Israel who began this, and Hezbollah responded in kind, with a capture of their own and an offer for prisoner exchange).
“Next: Criticising Israel…â€
That whole piece was well said. I salute you there.
August 10th, 2006 at 9:29 amTwo Jews, three opinions.
If one of the Jews is Dennis Prager, the other Jew’s opinion is “What a shmuck.”
August 10th, 2006 at 9:30 amI apologize for the numerous typos in my last post.
August 10th, 2006 at 9:39 amjust a thought
Why I say it is about marketing? If Israel trades for the soldiers Hezbollah can play up the brave Hezbollah fighters and how they saved those prisoners, and no young Israeli would ever be safe from kidnapping, if Israel decided this means war? You get what you have now, every single person in Lebanon who has had their homes bombed out, their airport destroyed or their factories eliminated, probably now supports Hezbollah. Destroying civilian structures does not weaken the resolve of the enemy, it strengthens it, and that is what Hezbollah wants.
This is why Israel is wrong, it has nothing to do with Israel being evil, or Israel being unjustified in its actions, it has everything to do with Israel being what it has always been, a convenient tool for the rise of some dictator or other. War is often justified, that is the threat of war, that it is often perfectly justified, but it is very seldom the right course of action. Israel will not conquor Lebanon, it doesn’t have the ability to hold Lebanon (It would win the war, but lose the peace as the saying goes) but it does have the power to put Hezbollah in power if it isn’t careful. In a year or two you will have the same slimy PoS who started this war, negotiating peace terms with Israel and nothing will have changed save the level of venom on both sides. This war will not solve anything for Israel, all it will do is kill a lot of innocent people. It is wrong not for lack of justification, but for what is going to be a lack of results.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:17 amRe # 46 – I wouldn’t be too surprised if MA is a lawyer. I’ve been practicing for 19 years, and you’d be amazed how many idiots I encounter in the law biz. Sadly, poor writing skills are the least of it!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:02 amIsrael is being manipulated by a fringe group of extremists? That doesn’t make sense. I agree with most of what you say in the post (9393), but I cannot agree with the marketing angle. I do not perceive Hezbollah looking at it like that – I think you are giving them too much credit (that is, to have engineered this as a “win/win” for themselves). I think the capture was, while a planned action, not planned farther than, “We capture some of their soldiers and trade them for our leaders”. Of course, they asked for more than 2 prisoners in return, but that is expected. I do not think that Hezbollah wanted Israel to commit the slaughter and destruction that they have. I think that you are being dishonest in accusing them of desiring this outcome for the sake of boosting their support. I think they would have rather gotten their support in other ways. By suggesting that hezbollah WANTED Israel to destroy, wholesale, civilians and civilian infrastructure you are attempting to color Hezbollah as completely evil and in disregard for all life, to include their own people. To say that Hezbollah WANTED Israel to act this way is an attempt to demonize them. I do not suppoort criminal behavior (to include all terrorism of all kinds, whether from an individual, a group, or a nation). I also do not support indiscriminate demonization of a group of people. It is an attempt to dehumanize them: “See, they WANTED Israel to kill off their neighbors and families to rally support for their cause. They are blood thirsty and do not care who dies for their agenda.” I think that that is not an accurate generalization of them or their cause. It is no more honest to say that every Israeli wants the Lebonees to back Hezbollah so they can widen the offensive and just eradicate all Islam from the middle east; and your statement is the equivalent, pertaining to Hezzbollah.
“It is wrong not for lack of justification, but for what is going to be a lack of results”
You seem then to argue that if the results were something preferable (staying with your example, a peace is achieved through this war), then the loss of civilian life and the chaos and damage is justified. The ends justifies the means. It is a clever way to phrase it, but it is still not morally acceptable. What has occured already is wrong simply because it is wrong. There is no good justification at all for the death and damage done. I ask you, what result would you say would justily the carnage, and displacement, and damage? What result would make all of this “o.k.”? Israel (and the US) have claimed that this is about those two soldiers. That is the justification that Israel presented, therefore it is the yardstick by which their actions should be judged. It is not a reason that bloggers pulled out of the air — it is the “official justification”. As that, it MUST be the measure to determine the “correctness” of the response. You agree that the response is wrong, but we disagree as to why it is wrong. You also paint Israel here as the victim (”it has everything to do with Israel being what it has always been, a convenient tool for the rise of some dictator or other”). I don’t buy that. Nor is Hezbollah the ‘victim’ here. The victims are the innocent civilians who have died or been displaced because of disproportionate military response, and a casual disregard for human life on the part of the agressors (that would be Israel’s troops that are in Lebanon – and I think that the damage done and the number of civilian casualties justifies my remark, to a degree: admittedly we MUST speak in certain generalizations). The vicims are the children, maimed by Israeli weaponry, who now have no parents. So don’t try to play up Israel as some poor little victim here — the country is not a victim. The innocent civilian casualties are demeaned when one paints the agressor nation as the victim (I accept, as everyone else should, that every military casualty is acceptable in war, if you are to support war at all: the soldiers and fighters are those who are supposed to be targeted in a war, and while their deaths matter, they are in a different category than civilians).
Since it just got buried in my rant, I will repeat: what “result” of this war WOULD justify the civilian infrastructure damage and innocent civilian casualties that have ALREADY been infliced (on both sides)?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:06 amjust a thought
Here is what the result would have to be, plus the conditions to further justify it:
August 10th, 2006 at 11:11 amPrecondition:
It would have to be demonstrated that the results could not be achieved by any other means, in short it would have to be shown that any compromise would be dishonoured, as the compromise in Gaza WAS. (Peace for land; the land changed hands and then promptly got used for launching rockets into Israel. This was dishonourable.)
A good example of this was WWII Germany, which dishonoured its agreements with other nations, and thus demonstrated that no compromise could be reached.
Whether the reason for the peace being dishonoured is because of a weakness within a governments ability to enforce the peace, or whether it is willful is in fact irrelevant. When Israel said “This means war” Lebanon’s government at the time should have either agreed to help Israel take down Hezbollah or pressured Hezbollah to return those soldiers. When they didn’t the pretext for war was already made.
Now the Results that would have to be reached in order to Justify the means:
Peace. Israel would have to be secure from future attacks, and the surrounding countries would have to accept that Israel both exists, and is going to continue to exist whether they like it or not. The Middle Eastern propaganda mills, which spew nothing but outright hatred, would have to be shut down, and their message rejected by the people on both sides.
Further, the Middle East would have to turn into a stable region with a fairly enlightened rulership that does not discriminate based on race, gender or creed. It would have to be a final demonstration that when push comes to shove, God doesn’t really exist, or at least if he does he doesn’t take sides in the petty bickerings of his pet mortals.
Israel should, if all of that happens, gain the ability to open its borders, allowing visits to the various Islamic holy sights in the area, without the threat of violence. Slowly a population shift may occur which ends in the result of Israel becoming a Muslim country, but it would be a peaceful transition.
Why this won’t happen:
War simply doesn’t work that way. Peace does, slowly, but generally war just results in more misery and hatred being piled upon misery and hatred. Groups such as Hezbollah (Which bares a striking resemblance to Zanu PF) will continue to grow stronger, and so long as their are fingers to pull the triggers, there will be more and more blood spilled. In the end someone will get called the victor, whereas in all reality what will be left will be a ragged remnant of what there was before.
As a PS to the Hezbollah isn’t that evil: To their leaders this is a matter of winning power, they really don’t care about their followers. To the followers this is a holy war, that is long overdue. It is a war they have been programmed to from infancy by endless tapes calling for the death of Israel, they have been raised with the memories of previous wars, their grudges suplemented by fact and fiction, until finally they are willing to be a weapon against their foes.
While probably they didn’t expect the strength of Israel’s reaction, and I will grant you that they may not have intended it to go as far as it did, if they didn’t want this war why didn’t they just give the soldiers back? While they wanted their soldiers back, you can bet they wanted the propaganda victory as well. This is a election campaign war for Hezbollah, nothing more.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:47 am98
I agree to a point with what you said.. but
War simply doesn’t work that way. Peace does, slowly, but generally war just results in more misery and hatred being piled upon misery and hatred. Groups such as Hezbollah (Which bares a striking resemblance to Zanu PF) will continue to grow stronger, and so long as their are fingers to pull the triggers, there will be more and more blood spilled. In the end someone will get called the victor, whereas in all reality what will be left will be a ragged remnant of what there was before
I think Neville Chamberlain and Poland can disagree with you on that statement of peace. I also don’t see where this applies to the aftermath of WW2 for Japan and Germany. The mideast and north korea for that matter operates on ignorance. Those in power controlling thought, press, and propaganda.
Hezbollah and the rest are hell bent… they hit anything even their own if they will serve a purpose. Argentina, Spain, Canada, India, Palistan, Bali, Phillipines, on down the line… what do they have to do with their ideologies…
Did you read Thomas Friedmans OP-ED in the NYT… and many others have said it as well… they don’t care about their people, they care about bringing about the destruction of Israel… Israeli children have dreams of being inventors and living their lives… palestinaians children have dreams of being martyrs…
If Hezbollah and alike put their weapons down, there would be no more violence. If Isarael put their weapons down, there would be no more Israel.
The issue is many wish to divide the world by rich and poor not good and evil
August 10th, 2006 at 12:48 pmAs for Prager,
I don’t think you all have read really much of anything the man has written, nor know his background..
August 10th, 2006 at 12:50 pmI invite you all to read a blog done by an iraqi
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2006/07/no-more-half-solutions.html
The islamo-fascists tell us everyday what they want and how they are going to get there, yet the international community and some of you all give them a pass, with the thought that they can be negotiated.
I also have a question… you all are so after Israel for killing innocents… never mind Hezbollah prevents these people from leaving… never mind israel leaflets where they are goign to bomb..
but where was you outrage in Kosavo when Clinton and NATO bombed innocents and said the actions in Kosavo were a moral imperative for the international community?
And we have troops there still… any paralles with iraq? genocide? ruthless dictator?
August 10th, 2006 at 1:08 pmJoneser
Neville Chamberlain was dealing with a country that didn’t honour its side of the deal, which led to the war. If Hitler had honoured his side of the deal, the war wouldn’t have happened, but Hitler was never known for his honour. You can’t have a 1 sided peace.
As an example of what I am talking about when I say that peace can bring an end to the engines of war: Take the whole continent of Europe. Centuries of hatred, war and outright ethnic cleansing. The Germans don’t like the French, the Russians don’t like the Germans, and nobody liked the English. Now after a couple of years of peace? EU, with talk of oil moving over to being traded in Euros.
When peace is engaged from both sides, the people on both sides tend to forget that they are supposed to hate each other, it becomes a non-issue what somebody did to your great grandfathers puppy last century. Peace is required, but all sides in the argument need to engage in it.
August 10th, 2006 at 1:24 pm#98
WWII Germany allowed no compromise because it was THEIR policy, not because they displayed it by ignoring or rewriting international treaties, although they did (who else is doing this?…hmmmm….). Their demonstration of lack of compromise was their policy of no compromise. However, you are comparing a nation with, at best, a political group. The difference is enormous. Hezbollah is nothing like WWII Germany (I speak of structure and physical resources, not ideology – Germany had tanks and planes… as far as I have heard, Hezbollah does not possess these things, nor does it possess a nation – mind you, I do not defend their terrorrist methods, but those are the acts of their followers and not a national policy of Lebanon, even if Lebanon does not try to bring them to justice). It was Germany who promoted the concept of “collective punishment†in recent history: this idea that, “Well, the missiles came from somewhere in your country, therefore every man woman and child in your country is guilty.†And most apologists would add, “and they are Islamic, as well, and we are behind the destruction of Islam.†You claim that this is justifiable because the terrorist (the criminals, not national soldiers) “dishonored†an agreement? So, if criminals act in a neighborhood to any illegal purpose, that whole neighborhood is guilty of aiding and abetting (without even clear evidence thereof)? If a group of armed men went into the lot across the street from your home at midnight, fired off a couple of mortars and ran off, are you going to rush out there like Rambo and stop them? Please spare me. At best you’d call the authorities, and try to stay out of sight. Now if there is no real effective police force, or you fear (with justification or not) that they are in league with the authorities, you may not even bother with bringing that attention to yourself. So you condemn people to death for being (natuarally) afraid of the terrorists. Not very kind. The terrorists must first instill fear in the population around them – it does NOT mean that that entire population supports or aids them. Lebanon made the agreement, the criminals acted like criminals, and you blame the Lebonese in total along with the criminals so as to justify indiscriminate destruction and death.
“Whether the reason for the peace being dishonoured is because of a weakness within a governments ability to enforce the peace, or whether it is willful is in fact irrelevant.â€
“When Israel said “This means war†Lebanon’s government at the time should have either agreed to help Israel take down Hezbollah or pressured Hezbollah to return those soldiers. When they didn’t the pretext for war was already made.â€
So, if the governemnt is too weak to maintain control of the criminals how is it supposed to “pressure†them to release their prisoners without a return? It is circular logic on your part to justify destruction: the governemnt was too weak to contain and control the criminals, so the agreement was broken by the criminals, and therefore the weak government should have conjured some power to pressure the criminals that they were too weak to stop in the first place. Why did not the Israeli government work WITH the Lebonese government, so as to avoid destruction of civilian life and civilian infrastructure? And as I stated before, once the Israeli army started destroying civilian infrastructure and life, is it not the rule of reciprocity that Lebanon has every just right to declare war with Israel, so as to defend its people? (of course, since the governement IS weak, it cannot even defend itself). You thus argue that a nation that is still building strength should not receive aid, but should, rather, receive death.
On to your results to justify the means: before picking at your points, your results are poor justification of the death and destruction. I don’t buy it at all: what has already occurred does not justify an entire Middle East peace. AND, at the end, you state that these conditions will not ever exist. Therefore, by your own admission, the actions of Israel are NOT justified (you list what is necessary to justify it to you, and then you say it will never ever happen – so it is not justifiable).
“Peace†would justify the killing and damage that has already occurred? You accept quite a bit for “peaceâ€. But I am certain that you cannot define “peace†in a REALISTIC manner that is achievable in the real world: as long as people are motivated by greed and bigotry, there will be no peace. Power corrupts, and therefore there will never be a utopian ideal of “peaceâ€. Accept it. “peace†is simply when people are not killing each other, and that begins by not killing each other. Peace at any cost is not peace, nor is it moral — that is a justification to abuse other human beings, and no better than the religious crusading of ANY religion that does so (e.g. Islamics, Jewish, Christians, etc.).
What measures are necessary to ensure that “Israel would have to be secure from future attacks� One could argue that they will not be secure until every Islamic is killed. There are those arguing that right now. You cannot effectively define this, which is why it is a prime argument: you can ALWAYS claim that there is an insecure situation threatening a border, or port, or what have you.
Also to justify all these innocent deaths, you require that the entire Middle East, UNCONDITIONALLY accepts Israel. How about conditionally (you know, compromise)? Even the US made SOME compromises with the Native Americans. Not entirely fair, but there was still some measure of give there.
“Further, the Middle East would have to turn into a stable region with a fairly enlightened rulership that does not discriminate based on race, gender or creed.â€
There is no country in the world that fits this description. I am gong on too long, and will not add more on this, though there is a LOT more to say about this little statement.
You sound a bit biased – pro-Israel, and anti-Islam. You DO know that BOTH religions have in their core dogma an elitism that cries that they are THE saved, and everyone else is dirt? How their members act varies as widely as everything else that drives people: most people are relatively good, but these are also not generally the kind of people who climb to power (in government or in fringe groups).
You seem to have a very down to earth understanding of the impossibility of war resolving ANYTHING apart from death, destruction, misery, and hatred, yet you apologize for the deaths of innocent civilians and the destruction of vast swaths of civilian infrastructure. I do not apologize for Hezbollah’s criminal behavior. But I also see it as that (criminal acts), and not as national policy of a nation of people (though they are heading that way, thanks to Israel’s actions). You don’t blow up an entire neighborhood because there is one sociopath living on the block.
“To their leaders this is a matter of winning power, they really don’t care about their followers. To the followers this is a holy war, that is long overdue. It is a war they have been programmed to from infancy by endless tapes calling for the death of Israel, they have been raised with the memories of previous wars, their grudges suplemented by fact and fiction, until finally they are willing to be a weapon against their foes.â€
Funny, but it seems there are a good number of Israelies who fit that exact mold as well (I think they are the Zionists). Although in your case (as mine here about Zionists) the statement about the thoughts of the leaders is pure speculation. Unless you are talking with them, you do NOT KNOW what they think — you have an opinion, which is certainly biased on your own experiences and knowledge, and is not objective (no one is, but few will admit it).
“if they didn’t want this war why didn’t they just give the soldiers back? “
Probably, in a good part, because they felt that they counted a viable coup, and they wanted to receive some of their people back. Why didn’t Israel just agree to a prisoner exchange? They refused to even NEGOTIATE a prisoner exchange. Why was that? Did they PREFER this war? If Hezbollah refused to a one-for-one prisoner trade, then I would say they were completely unreasonable, but since Israel refused to even consider that as an option, no one KNOWS if Hezbollah would have accepted it. You can speculate all you want, but you do not know.
August 10th, 2006 at 1:42 pmyes you are right… but somethings aren’t negotiable with these people… example… destruction of Israel…
Hitler said what he was going to do for years while the world watched. They let him do his thing so long as they weren’t bothered… like Niemoller said…
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
we had to go to war and lost millions of lives because we waited till it was at our door step.
and yes it takes two… but you know what happened when israel thought they had peace with the PLO… walking away from Gaza and willing to give the PLO 90+% of what they wanted? PLO continued their attacks, because they love death more than israel loves life… it’s simple. Do you think Israel wants to be in this situation? Do you think they want to invade their neighbors? They are in Lebenon for a simple goal and that is the complete neutralization of Hezbollah and the return of Israeli soldiers. The reason they were kidnapped is simply because israel wasn’t alert enough because they actually thought these groups will leave them alone. But again people keep looking at this as rich vs poor and not good vs evil.
like a smart kid getting beat up by a bully. everyone wants to understand the bully and patronize and appease. yet the bully knows nothing will really ever happen to them and so they bide their time…
August 10th, 2006 at 1:44 pm#103
Why would israel negotiate for prisoners and open a door to allow all her enemies to begin hijacking and kidnapping in exchange for killers and plotters? That’s a moral relativism that cannot be considered. You are asking to be conventional with those who refuse to be conventional. Why else are they sitting in neighborhoods and blending in with the populace in civilian clothes? You are putting those whose intentions are to murder innocents on equal footing with those who incidently killed innocents. You are putting on equal footing those who prevent civilians from leaving hot zones to those who leaflet telling the civilians to leave the hot zones… consequently helping the terrorists in the process. If you told me Hezbollah was seeking to weaken the military capabilities of Israel, i’d say this war was toe to toe. however last i checked Haifa wasn’t a base and their enemy wears a uniform.
When did Israel blow up a mosque in Lebenon full of innocent worshipers? Hezbollah did in Argentina? Cafe’s Clubs Theatres schools?
their goals are simple they say it everyday… the spread of Shari’ah law around the world and the death of israel by any means necessary… how shall we negotiate?
August 10th, 2006 at 2:13 pm107
WOW…. thanks for the classy vitriolic response, definitly helps with the clarity of the issues.
ok…
No.
I don’t agree to genocide…
History had shown you can’t negotiate as the U.S. learned… ask Bin Laden… he himself stated that he reveled in our ability to cut and run at the sign of blood shed… to him were paper tigers… He was imboldened.
But back to israel… you should read thomas friedman’s article in the NYT (you won’t)
it might make you think… again… if you really beleieve israel wakes up and thinks about how to kill muslims i really don’t know what we can discuss…
And projection gets you no where… My best friend since college is muslim so spare me this idea of hatred for islam… it is about islamic fascists and he agrees.
Israel is putting troops on the ground and doing what they have to do to minimize casualties…
It is a tragedy that innocent people die in war, particularly when they are not the intended… however to decide not to fight an enemy because they are using people as shields and instead to negotiate and give them what you want you only encourage them to repeat the process again for more of what they didn’t get the first time.. if that is the case all of western civilizaiton should engage in it….
If israel tossed all her weapons what would happen? If Hezbollah tossed all their weapons, what would happen? How would you negotiate with someone wants your death more than life?
August 10th, 2006 at 4:43 pmIn almost all forms of the media today, it seems that to have any credibility, one must show a self loathing or self depreciation. By such, none may have credibility, save the ones the media and our government decide to lend credibility too.
I would also say that Israel has no right to complain about any of their people being kidnapped, as just about 5 days before the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped, Israel kidnapped 2 Palestinians and from what I see, that is what started this whole war.
August 11th, 2006 at 6:12 amDear dixie Anemia – PLEASE tell me you’re not REALLY as stupid as you pretend to be…Go back and see how Iraq broke the terms of the 1991 Cease Fire Agreement. Your assignment also includes discussing the corruption of the “Oil for Food” program, the projects Saddam used with the allocated money, and the number of civilians who suffered and died as a result of his policies…. (Hint: It WAS NOT a peace treaty!) ….Be thankful we don’t require semi-literate voters to pass an intelligence test or use crayons – you’d make a mess of that ballot….
August 11th, 2006 at 8:29 pmTHE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR!
August 12th, 2006 at 9:21 amIsraelis Caught Red Handed
Planning ‘Arab’ Terrorism
The Voice of the White House
8-12-6
WASHINGTON, DC — “Here, as promised, is an interesting conversation that somehow accidentally got intercepted and transcribed. There are lots more where this came from!”
Transcription of telephone conversation on August 3, 2006
from
Israeli Embassy, Washington D.C. Telephone Number (202) 364-5582.
to
unidentified individual at AIPAC , Washington D.C., Telephone Number (202) 639-5201
Commenced 1821 hrs, concluded 1826 hrs.
Speaker A: Reuven Azar – Counselor for Political Affairs, Embassy of Israel
Speaker B: Unidentified individual located at AIPAC headquarters
A. Well, things are going as well as expected, better perhaps than expected. There is military progress there (Lebanon) and we have wonderful cooperation here.
B. For sure, but don’t forget the dangers in having too much cooperation. All right for this moment but in the long run, this can certainly backfire on us. You know, we are seen as being too much influential with the Bush people.
A. I wouldn’t worry too much about that. The media is certainly not to worry about and most Americans really do not care about things there (Lebanon) The main point is that by the time the U.S. makes itself felt at the UN, we will have accomplished our goals and established the buffer we need.
B. Absolutely butthere is still the future to think about.
A. Who cares? Once we establish the buffer, the rest is just **** . It will all be hidden soon in the coming press reports of Arab ‘attacks’ on the U.S. This is for the voting in November. You know, ‘many Arab groups will for sure attack American targets.’ They (the U.S. Government) will choose so-called target areas where they need the most support. We don’t need to worry about Miami, Skokie or Beverly Hills after all. (Laughter) and this is a little crude but the public here is terribly stupid and the warning color days worked before, didn’t they?
B. Yes, but there are second thoughts on all of that. If you go to the well too often, there are problems. People lose interest.
A. The British are being such swine about this, aren’t they? They are causing trouble about the bombs these days.
B. Just a few troublemakers. The press here does not cover that and who reads the foreign media? Most Americans can’t read anyway. But there is danger that the U.N. might be motivated to move a peace keeping force into Lebanon and this might negate our purposes. Hesbollah must be utterly wiped out and Syria must be made to realizewith force if necessarythat it cannot supply the terrorists with more Iranian rockets. Maybe an accidental airstrike on Syrian military units could say to them to mind their own business. We have done this before.
A. It is too bad that we cannot teach Tehran a lesson. The ultimate goal would be to have America attack Iran but I am afraid the American military is dead set against this
B. They are all Jew-haters up there.
A. For sure, but we know that Americans can bomb the **** out of Tehran and hopefully kill off a number of the militants, probably disrupt their atomic program and teach all of the area that the U.S. means business. We support them, they support us. But they cannot send in ground troops and if we did that, our losses would not be borne at home. As it is, there are the usual malcontents bleating about the Lebanon business.
B. They are just afraid they will get a rocket on their house and there are the same ones here. The Lieberman business is not that good, after all. Yes, of course he is a liberal Democrat but his support of us is too obvious. He could be a little critical too. We see the Bush people doing this, just to keep the people quiet. Yes, they say, see, we too are actually critical of Israel.
A. But not too critical, right?
B. No, never that. Too many pictures of dead jerks for example. We need to see more pictures of grieving Israelis, mourning lost sons and children. Can’t we get more of those? **** the Arabs.
A. I feel sorry for the American media. Their instincts are to defend dead Arab children
B. But nits make lice, don’t they? Who mourns dead Israeli children?
A. I’m sure there would be more on this but not enough children are dead.
B. Not yet, anyway. But if they rocket Tel Aviv
A. Well, then, for sure.
B. We should have pictures all ready if that happens. Do you think it will?
A. Tehran directs that part of the business. We don’t have as much inside gen on them there
B. The ******* Russians are on their side.
A. We have always had trouble with those Slavic pricks. First weapons
B. The Chinese assholes also do this, don’t forget.
A. No one around here will forget that, be assured. The time will come when we get them too. Say we cut off their oil from the Gulf? What then? They will dance to our tunes then, not Tehran’s.
B. If we had oil
A. But we do not. The filthy Putin has the oil. They should get rid of him while they are at it. Our people almost had it but he forced them out.
B. They can always come back. The people here would really support this. We put our people back in after we get rid of Putin and then a guaranteed flow of oil to America.
A. And Russia is off the chessboard too.
B. They all want that badly here, too. Cheney is the strongest supporter of cutting the nuts off of RussiA. The military here are against fishing in troubled waters.
A. They can’t be replaced, Bush can’t sack them all.
B. Set an example. Sack a few more of the assholes and the rest will shut up. They always do. So, send me your latest list and I’ll see what I can do here.
A. Send someone to pick it up. The mail here is awful. It will take a week if some black doesn’t steal it, throw it away or wipe his *** with it.
B. Tomorrow for sure.
A. OK. And one other matter. We feel very strongly that if the current people get kicked out in November, as it looks like they might, we owe them to help them stay right where they are. It has taken a long time and much money to get all the ducks lined up and we don’t want to have to start in again. We can generally rely on sympathy from the Democrats but they will not support any more military ventures over there. That’s for sure.
B. Then what do you suggest?
A. The terrorism card works wonders. We were going to release a statement that Arabs were going to attack an El Al plane on takeoff, with rockets.
A. Probably leftovers from the CIA businesses in Afghanistan.
A. Let’s not get into that now. But this scare would only affect flights to Israel and we don’t think it would have any impact on the election.
B. Well then, why not have these attacks aimed at American aircraft? Where would they attack from?
A. Say at the perimeter fence lines at airports. Or better still, why not a plan cooked up to smuggle explosives on board transatlantic flights to or from America? Something clever that will catch the public imagination.
B. That stupid bomb in the shoe routine?
A. Don’t knock it. It worked, didn’t it? We can always find some suckers with a bent to this we can fill up with real enthusiasm and then turn them in, complete with plans. They actually believe they are going to paradise and **** virgins and we have another propaganda coup. Let’s give this some effort. You know, a terrified public will not want to change horses in mid stream. So far, the Rove people have a good line: If you’re against the Republicans, you’re encouraging the evil terrorists sthick.
B. Well, they did that with the alert warnings and it workedmore or less.
A. Face it, they aren’t too bright here. They ran it into the ground, had to fire Ridge and Ashcroft, one of our very best friends ever, and put those things on ice. They need to discover a huge plot but in America
A. You know, as you said, infiltrate a group of crazies, plant things on them, call the FBI
B. Oh, they do that themselves. That business in Florida was pathetic
A. But it worked, didn’t it?
B. For about ten minutes at six o’clock for about three days.
A. Well, think about it and get back to me.
B. Right.
A. What’s the situation with your two people? Are they going to be tried or not?
B. Probably not, as far as the Bush people are concerned. But it is up to the courts and we are very careful not to **** with them. They are expected to have the charges thrown out soon
A. Well, I’ll pray for them. I have to go now so I’ll get back to you later. Don’t forget to send someone for the list
B. OK.
(Conversation terminated)
This is just the tip of a very large iceberg. Other inside information will be published in upcoming editions. On Monday, August 14, I will put up a complete listing of all members of Congress who have received money from AIPAC, state by state, amount by amount.
Dear old crazy, and defeated, Lieberman, shrieking with rage at seeing all his extra income flowing down the drain, has received over $227,758 so far from AIPAC . Tell me, children, what did he do for all that money? There are many more names and amounts to entertain you as well as to give you a concrete guide as to your voting in November next.
As far as the recent stories about “terrorist attacks” coming from England, don’t believe them. It is well known around the White House that this invented story is designed to offset the crushing defeat of the Administration’s darling liberal, Lieberman. This theme, by the way, according to position papers circulating here, is the main theme of the November elections. The thesis? Why the Iron Trio of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld have protected, and will continue to protect, innocent America from evil terrorist threats.
Of course, if you vote Democratic, all bets are off and armies of rabid Muslim (read non Christian) fascists will at once invade America, to rape, loot and pillage while setting off bombs in the Des Moines Public Library. Please note that in spite of all the **** the Bush people have spread around about “proctecting America” there has not been one proven incident of any real terrorist group caught or no attack thwarted. The WMD lies were the father and the “terrorist threats” and the illegitimate child of this corrupt and dangerous gang.”
August 12th, 2006 at 4:48 pmMahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, has started a blog.
http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/
In his first entry Ahmadinejad wrote about his childhood, the country’s Islamic revolution and Iran’s war with Iraq.
The blog also asks readers to participate in an online poll which asks if they think the United States and Israel are “pulling the trigger for another world war”.
The blog is translated into English, French and Arabic.
August 14th, 2006 at 8:14 am…….america is to blame….blah blah blah….america is to blame….blah blah blah…..Bush is the devil…..blah blah….Rove will eat you babies if you give him the chance……blah blah blah….WE planned 9/11…blah blah blah….All the hurricanes and other natural occuring weather patterns have been caused within the past six years…blah blah blah…..Religion=Satan….blah blah blah…..terrorism is not as big of a problem as most people think…blah blah blah….Cheney’s daughter is gay because he abused her….blah blah blah…..Gore won!!! Blah blah blah…..Kerry was defeated by a bunch of religious fanatics….blah blah blah……Cindy Sheehan should never be questioned….blah blah blah…..the main-stream media is in Bushs back pocket….blah blah blah….Saddam was running a tidy little country…..blah blah blah….Israel has over-reached……blah blah blah……the failure of american schools is all Bushs fault…..blah blah blah…….health care? Bushs fault…blah blah blah….social security? Bushs fault…..blah blah blah……sunburn on the beach?Bushs fault…blah blah blah…..speeding ticket?Bushs fault…….blah blah blah….constipation?Bushs fault….blah blah….blah….
I think I may have forgotten something….Did I say blah blah blah?
August 14th, 2006 at 12:45 pmThose who ignore the past fallen empires and why are doomed to fall themselves. Too bad the morons have to take everyone else down with them.
August 14th, 2006 at 9:46 pmAfter reading the posts on this site for several months there seems to be some consistency as to the feelings of the “bloggers …..let me summarize……because somewhere in my following list you (yes, you the wacko “progressiveâ€) will find an answer to ALL of the problems that America faces today….or at least the person/persons that are responsible for such a miserable existence that we must trudge through in America…..America the damned!!! Each of the items below are just a snippet of what “think progress†stands for….so…in your words….
Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate…
Fox News is Hitler’s SS version of propaganda…
The Democrats are waayyy too conservative and right-leaning….
The Republicans (gulp…I said the word Republicans) work for the Devil…
Lieberman is a Bush crony that never accomplished anything for the state of Connecticut…
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
The War in Iraq was certainly for the oil and making rich people richer!!!
Halliburton? Planning the war(s) for years before 9/11…
9/11? Bush not only knew exactly what/where/when/how…..he helped to plan it…..
9/11? The towers were not taken down by airplanes…American C-4 explosives were strategically placed to “take ‘em downâ€â€¦.
Bush planted the C4…along with the help of Cheney and Rumsfield…
The War in Iraq was certainly a follow-up to papa Bush….and his “failure†in removing Saddam…..
Terrorism is not that big of a deal…it should be monitored and controlled by our police agencies….not the government….
OBL is not that bad….hell, America created him!!
Saddam is not the bad…hell, America created him!!
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not that bad….he does not want nukes for weapons…its all about the fuel baby!!!
Problems in the Middle East…Americas fault…
Darfur? Bush and Cheney are not fully responsible for the genocide—but at least 78%….
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Try to resolve the problems in the Middle East??—Why does America feel it should stick its nose in others business…
Israel…America’s puppet….
Israel is the cause of most of the problems in the Middle East….Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization—they were “elected†into a position of power in a democratic government!!!
America did the worse job of evacuating its citizens from Lebanon…Denmark did the best…Denmark is #1!!! Denmark is #1!!!….
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
American flags are made for one purpose….to burn!!!!!!!!
The primary run off in Ct proves that the American people want an immediate withdrawal from Iraq….
AIDS in Africa killing scores? Bush’s Fault….well, maybe 82% responsible…
Socialism #1…Communism #2….Dictatorship #3…Democracy #4…as ranked by the bloggers on “Think Progress†as best form of govt….
Global Warming is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
The short-comings of American schools…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
The short-comings of Health-care….a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
Oil?….ever since man has been able to process it into a usable fuel….all the problems have been…..a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
Wal-mart=Capitalism=Bush cronies=Conservatives=devil
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Mexican Immigration problem? No problemo…
Katrina?….a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……not the response—the actual cause of the hurricane…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive
Katrina…response to it?….Bush hates blacks…..it’s that simple……did I mention Bush hates Mexicans, Canadians, French, Italians, Spaniards, Russians, Irish, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Aussies, Swedes, New Zealanders, anybody that might be of south American persuasion, anybody that might be a mix bred, anybody from Africa-even if they “look†white, and of course…all Muslims….
Did I mention that according to this site that Bush hates gays? And wants them dead?
The economy—-the worse it’s been in the history of America—-….is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
International relations? well—before Bush we were loved from china to south America…but now—America is hated all around the world and we need to kowtow to the Europeans and Islam so they like us…..we want other people to like us…we really want other people to like us………please like us…..please?
Homeless problem in a city/town near you?…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…
Abortion is good (million+ innocents a year)…Death penalty is Bad (handful of convicted criminals a year)….
(Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Lines at the super-market….. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…
Howard Stern being fined for foul behavior/language…. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive….
Katrina “evacuees†in Houston or other cities committing hideous crimes?… a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
Christian groups are bigots and things such as “faith day†(at a ball park after the game) are nothing more than the radical rights attempt at “christian-izing†us….
America’s military is weak and the Draft is right around the corner…
“God†should not be in the Pledge….
“God†should not be on our currency…
“God†should not be……….
Cindy Sheehan should not be questioned nor debated…..her son died for her right to hang out in Crawford dam it!!!
America went to war unprepared….look at the hummers!! They have absolutely no armor….and its Bush’s fault…
Democrats and Republicans are all the same…evil…out for themselves…slave-masters (its in their family history)…sex addicts…and of course out to kill Americans in a fake war that was based on purposely fraudulent intelligence…
The (mass) media is covering up everything!!!
Good policing and investigative work is called—racial profiling!!!
“Minimum Wage should be at least $18.00 a hourâ€
“Progressive†reporters get kick out of all the neo-cons news briefings…
“My phones have been taped because I went to an anti-war rally!â€
“My cable has been on the blink and my phone has been making weird noises since I went to a anti-war Rallyâ€
Anybody that makes money and lives a successful life MUST be doing something that hurts the poor or crippled….
Taxes and more taxes are good for the economy…tax cuts/breaks only help the millionaires…
SUV’s were created by conservatives that wanted to help out their “oil buddiesâ€â€¦
People should not be expected to take care of themselves!!! That’s the role of government…
People should not be able to invest their social security account as they wish!! That’s the role of the government…
If I forgot a topic or an issue please just fill it in with the following…
“BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA..BUSH IS THE DEVIL BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…REPUBLICANS ARE THE DEVIL… WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA…AMERICA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD…-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…â€
IN CONLUSION::::::
I have posted this because it addresses nearly all the issues that “think progress†and its bloggers believe/state/dream about….in other words, this post can be placed on any of your blogs and it will make sense……thanks “think progress†bloggers for making this so easy….if you think my post is foolish….please remember—these are your words (with some editing liberties taken…oh I forgot—I should not mention anything about taking liberties)….dam America!!!
August 15th, 2006 at 2:03 pmHow about a propped up Israel that could give a shit about Jews.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:07 amhey, i’m doing a million mile essay, this clip was very much true. I am one of thoes people who will think about everything everyone does not wish to think about. My family rejects me for this, so i’ve paid my price, but there is alot to be learned. Isreal is standing up for our fight, we must help. We all know who is next to be taken over by muslims…. the USA.
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