Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate…

Fox News is Hitler’s SS version of propaganda…

The Democrats are waayyy too conservative and right-leaning….

The Republicans (gulp…I said the word Republicans) work for the Devil…

Lieberman is a Bush crony that never accomplished anything for the state of Connecticut…

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?

The War in Iraq was certainly for the oil and making rich people richer!!!

Halliburton? Planning the war(s) for years before 9/11…

9/11? Bush not only knew exactly what/where/when/how…..he helped to plan it…..

9/11? The towers were not taken down by airplanes…American C-4 explosives were strategically placed to “take ‘em down”….

Bush planted the C4…along with the help of Cheney and Rumsfield…

The War in Iraq was certainly a follow-up to papa Bush….and his “failure” in removing Saddam…..

Terrorism is not that big of a deal…it should be monitored and controlled by our police agencies….not the government….

OBL is not that bad….hell, America created him!!

Saddam is not the bad…hell, America created him!!

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not that bad….he does not want nukes for weapons…its all about the fuel baby!!!

Problems in the Middle East…Americas fault…

Darfur? Bush and Cheney are not fully responsible for the genocide—but at least 78%….

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?

Try to resolve the problems in the Middle East??—Why does America feel it should stick its nose in others business…

Israel…America’s puppet….

Israel is the cause of most of the problems in the Middle East….Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization—they were “elected” into a position of power in a democratic government!!!

America did the worse job of evacuating its citizens from Lebanon…Denmark did the best…Denmark is #1!!! Denmark is #1!!!….

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?

American flags are made for one purpose….to burn!!!!!!!!

The primary run off in Ct proves that the American people want an immediate withdrawal from Iraq….

AIDS in Africa killing scores? Bush’s Fault….well, maybe 82% responsible…

Socialism #1…Communism #2….Dictatorship #3…Democracy #4…as ranked by the bloggers on “Think Progress” as best form of govt….

Global Warming is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……

The short-comings of American schools…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……

The short-comings of Health-care….a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……

Oil?….ever since man has been able to process it into a usable fuel….all the problems have been…..a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……

Wal-mart=Capitalism=Bush cronies=Conservatives=devil

Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?

Mexican Immigration problem? No problemo…
Katrina?….a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……not the response—the actual cause of the hurricane…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive

Katrina…response to it?….Bush hates blacks…..it’s that simple……did I mention Bush hates Mexicans, Canadians, French, Italians, Spaniards, Russians, Irish, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Aussies, Swedes, New Zealanders, anybody that might be of south American persuasion, anybody that might be a mix bred, anybody from Africa-even if they “look” white, and of course…all Muslims….

Did I mention that according to this site that Bush hates gays? And wants them dead?

The economy—-the worse it’s been in the history of America—-….is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……

International relations? well—before Bush we were loved from china to south America…but now—America is hated all around the world and we need to kowtow to the Europeans and Islam so they like us…..we want other people to like us…we really want other people to like us………please like us…..please?

Homeless problem in a city/town near you?…a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…

Abortion is good (million+ innocents a year)…Death penalty is Bad (handful of convicted criminals a year)….

(Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?

Lines at the super-market….. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…

Howard Stern being fined for foul behavior/language…. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive….

Katrina “evacuees” in Houston or other cities committing hideous crimes?… a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……

Christian groups are bigots and things such as “faith day” (at a ball park after the game) are nothing more than the radical rights attempt at “christian-izing” us….

America’s military is weak and the Draft is right around the corner…

“God” should not be in the Pledge….

“God” should not be on our currency…

“God” should not be……….

Cindy Sheehan should not be questioned nor debated…..her son died for her right to hang out in Crawford dam it!!!

America went to war unprepared….look at the hummers!! They have absolutely no armor….and its Bush’s fault…

Democrats and Republicans are all the same…evil…out for themselves…slave-masters (its in their family history)…sex addicts…and of course out to kill Americans in a fake war that was based on purposely fraudulent intelligence…

The (mass) media is covering up everything!!!

Good policing and investigative work is called—racial profiling!!!

“Minimum Wage should be at least $18.00 a hour”

“Progressive” reporters get kick out of all the neo-cons news briefings…

“My phones have been taped because I went to an anti-war rally!”

“My cable has been on the blink and my phone has been making weird noises since I went to a anti-war Rally”

Anybody that makes money and lives a successful life MUST be doing something that hurts the poor or crippled….

Taxes and more taxes are good for the economy…tax cuts/breaks only help the millionaires…

SUV’s were created by conservatives that wanted to help out their “oil buddies”…

People should not be expected to take care of themselves!!! That’s the role of government…

People should not be able to invest their social security account as they wish!! That’s the role of the government…

If I forgot a topic or an issue please just fill it in with the following…

“BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA..BUSH IS THE DEVIL BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…REPUBLICANS ARE THE DEVIL… WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA…AMERICA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD…-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…”

IN CONLUSION::::::

I have posted this because it addresses nearly all the issues that “think progress” and its bloggers believe/state/dream about….in other words, this post can be placed on any of your blogs and it will make sense……thanks “think progress” bloggers for making this so easy….if you think my post is foolish….please remember—these are your words (with some editing liberties taken…oh I forgot—I should not mention anything about taking liberties)….dam America!!!

I think I may have forgotten something….Did I say blah blah blah?

http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/

In his first entry Ahmadinejad wrote about his childhood, the country’s Islamic revolution and Iran’s war with Iraq.

The blog also asks readers to participate in an online poll which asks if they think the United States and Israel are “pulling the trigger for another world war”.

The blog is translated into English, French and Arabic.

WASHINGTON, DC — “Here, as promised, is an interesting conversation that somehow accidentally got intercepted and transcribed. There are lots more where this came from!”

Transcription of telephone conversation on August 3, 2006

from
Israeli Embassy, Washington D.C. Telephone Number (202) 364-5582.

to
unidentified individual at AIPAC , Washington D.C., Telephone Number (202) 639-5201

Commenced 1821 hrs, concluded 1826 hrs.

Speaker A: Reuven Azar – Counselor for Political Affairs, Embassy of Israel

Speaker B: Unidentified individual located at AIPAC headquarters

A. Well, things are going as well as expected, better perhaps than expected. There is military progress there (Lebanon) and we have wonderful cooperation here.

B. For sure, but don’t forget the dangers in having too much cooperation. All right for this moment but in the long run, this can certainly backfire on us. You know, we are seen as being too much influential with the Bush people.

A. I wouldn’t worry too much about that. The media is certainly not to worry about and most Americans really do not care about things there (Lebanon) The main point is that by the time the U.S. makes itself felt at the UN, we will have accomplished our goals and established the buffer we need.

B. Absolutely butthere is still the future to think about.

A. Who cares? Once we establish the buffer, the rest is just **** . It will all be hidden soon in the coming press reports of Arab ‘attacks’ on the U.S. This is for the voting in November. You know, ‘many Arab groups will for sure attack American targets.’ They (the U.S. Government) will choose so-called target areas where they need the most support. We don’t need to worry about Miami, Skokie or Beverly Hills after all. (Laughter) and this is a little crude but the public here is terribly stupid and the warning color days worked before, didn’t they?

B. Yes, but there are second thoughts on all of that. If you go to the well too often, there are problems. People lose interest.

A. The British are being such swine about this, aren’t they? They are causing trouble about the bombs these days.

B. Just a few troublemakers. The press here does not cover that and who reads the foreign media? Most Americans can’t read anyway. But there is danger that the U.N. might be motivated to move a peace keeping force into Lebanon and this might negate our purposes. Hesbollah must be utterly wiped out and Syria must be made to realizewith force if necessarythat it cannot supply the terrorists with more Iranian rockets. Maybe an accidental airstrike on Syrian military units could say to them to mind their own business. We have done this before.

A. It is too bad that we cannot teach Tehran a lesson. The ultimate goal would be to have America attack Iran but I am afraid the American military is dead set against this

B. They are all Jew-haters up there.

A. For sure, but we know that Americans can bomb the **** out of Tehran and hopefully kill off a number of the militants, probably disrupt their atomic program and teach all of the area that the U.S. means business. We support them, they support us. But they cannot send in ground troops and if we did that, our losses would not be borne at home. As it is, there are the usual malcontents bleating about the Lebanon business.

B. They are just afraid they will get a rocket on their house and there are the same ones here. The Lieberman business is not that good, after all. Yes, of course he is a liberal Democrat but his support of us is too obvious. He could be a little critical too. We see the Bush people doing this, just to keep the people quiet. Yes, they say, see, we too are actually critical of Israel.

A. But not too critical, right?

B. No, never that. Too many pictures of dead jerks for example. We need to see more pictures of grieving Israelis, mourning lost sons and children. Can’t we get more of those? **** the Arabs.

A. I feel sorry for the American media. Their instincts are to defend dead Arab children

B. But nits make lice, don’t they? Who mourns dead Israeli children?

A. I’m sure there would be more on this but not enough children are dead.

B. Not yet, anyway. But if they rocket Tel Aviv

A. Well, then, for sure.

B. We should have pictures all ready if that happens. Do you think it will?

A. Tehran directs that part of the business. We don’t have as much inside gen on them there

B. The ******* Russians are on their side.

A. We have always had trouble with those Slavic pricks. First weapons

B. The Chinese assholes also do this, don’t forget.

A. No one around here will forget that, be assured. The time will come when we get them too. Say we cut off their oil from the Gulf? What then? They will dance to our tunes then, not Tehran’s.

B. If we had oil

A. But we do not. The filthy Putin has the oil. They should get rid of him while they are at it. Our people almost had it but he forced them out.

B. They can always come back. The people here would really support this. We put our people back in after we get rid of Putin and then a guaranteed flow of oil to America.

A. And Russia is off the chessboard too.

B. They all want that badly here, too. Cheney is the strongest supporter of cutting the nuts off of RussiA. The military here are against fishing in troubled waters.

A. They can’t be replaced, Bush can’t sack them all.

B. Set an example. Sack a few more of the assholes and the rest will shut up. They always do. So, send me your latest list and I’ll see what I can do here.

A. Send someone to pick it up. The mail here is awful. It will take a week if some black doesn’t steal it, throw it away or wipe his *** with it.

B. Tomorrow for sure.

A. OK. And one other matter. We feel very strongly that if the current people get kicked out in November, as it looks like they might, we owe them to help them stay right where they are. It has taken a long time and much money to get all the ducks lined up and we don’t want to have to start in again. We can generally rely on sympathy from the Democrats but they will not support any more military ventures over there. That’s for sure.

B. Then what do you suggest?

A. The terrorism card works wonders. We were going to release a statement that Arabs were going to attack an El Al plane on takeoff, with rockets.

A. Probably leftovers from the CIA businesses in Afghanistan.

A. Let’s not get into that now. But this scare would only affect flights to Israel and we don’t think it would have any impact on the election.

B. Well then, why not have these attacks aimed at American aircraft? Where would they attack from?

A. Say at the perimeter fence lines at airports. Or better still, why not a plan cooked up to smuggle explosives on board transatlantic flights to or from America? Something clever that will catch the public imagination.

B. That stupid bomb in the shoe routine?

A. Don’t knock it. It worked, didn’t it? We can always find some suckers with a bent to this we can fill up with real enthusiasm and then turn them in, complete with plans. They actually believe they are going to paradise and **** virgins and we have another propaganda coup. Let’s give this some effort. You know, a terrified public will not want to change horses in mid stream. So far, the Rove people have a good line: If you’re against the Republicans, you’re encouraging the evil terrorists sthick.

B. Well, they did that with the alert warnings and it workedmore or less.

A. Face it, they aren’t too bright here. They ran it into the ground, had to fire Ridge and Ashcroft, one of our very best friends ever, and put those things on ice. They need to discover a huge plot but in America

A. You know, as you said, infiltrate a group of crazies, plant things on them, call the FBI

B. Oh, they do that themselves. That business in Florida was pathetic

A. But it worked, didn’t it?

B. For about ten minutes at six o’clock for about three days.

A. Well, think about it and get back to me.

B. Right.

A. What’s the situation with your two people? Are they going to be tried or not?

B. Probably not, as far as the Bush people are concerned. But it is up to the courts and we are very careful not to **** with them. They are expected to have the charges thrown out soon

A. Well, I’ll pray for them. I have to go now so I’ll get back to you later. Don’t forget to send someone for the list

B. OK.

(Conversation terminated)

This is just the tip of a very large iceberg. Other inside information will be published in upcoming editions. On Monday, August 14, I will put up a complete listing of all members of Congress who have received money from AIPAC, state by state, amount by amount.

Dear old crazy, and defeated, Lieberman, shrieking with rage at seeing all his extra income flowing down the drain, has received over $227,758 so far from AIPAC . Tell me, children, what did he do for all that money? There are many more names and amounts to entertain you as well as to give you a concrete guide as to your voting in November next.

As far as the recent stories about “terrorist attacks” coming from England, don’t believe them. It is well known around the White House that this invented story is designed to offset the crushing defeat of the Administration’s darling liberal, Lieberman. This theme, by the way, according to position papers circulating here, is the main theme of the November elections. The thesis? Why the Iron Trio of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld have protected, and will continue to protect, innocent America from evil terrorist threats.

Of course, if you vote Democratic, all bets are off and armies of rabid Muslim (read non Christian) fascists will at once invade America, to rape, loot and pillage while setting off bombs in the Des Moines Public Library. Please note that in spite of all the **** the Bush people have spread around about “proctecting America” there has not been one proven incident of any real terrorist group caught or no attack thwarted. The WMD lies were the father and the “terrorist threats” and the illegitimate child of this corrupt and dangerous gang.”

I would also say that Israel has no right to complain about any of their people being kidnapped, as just about 5 days before the Israeli soldiers were kidnapped, Israel kidnapped 2 Palestinians and from what I see, that is what started this whole war.

WOW…. thanks for the classy vitriolic response, definitly helps with the clarity of the issues.

ok…

No.
I don’t agree to genocide…
History had shown you can’t negotiate as the U.S. learned… ask Bin Laden… he himself stated that he reveled in our ability to cut and run at the sign of blood shed… to him were paper tigers… He was imboldened.

But back to israel… you should read thomas friedman’s article in the NYT (you won’t)
it might make you think… again… if you really beleieve israel wakes up and thinks about how to kill muslims i really don’t know what we can discuss…

And projection gets you no where… My best friend since college is muslim so spare me this idea of hatred for islam… it is about islamic fascists and he agrees.
Israel is putting troops on the ground and doing what they have to do to minimize casualties…

It is a tragedy that innocent people die in war, particularly when they are not the intended… however to decide not to fight an enemy because they are using people as shields and instead to negotiate and give them what you want you only encourage them to repeat the process again for more of what they didn’t get the first time.. if that is the case all of western civilizaiton should engage in it….

If israel tossed all her weapons what would happen? If Hezbollah tossed all their weapons, what would happen? How would you negotiate with someone wants your death more than life?

Why would israel negotiate for prisoners and open a door to allow all her enemies to begin hijacking and kidnapping in exchange for killers and plotters? That’s a moral relativism that cannot be considered. You are asking to be conventional with those who refuse to be conventional. Why else are they sitting in neighborhoods and blending in with the populace in civilian clothes? You are putting those whose intentions are to murder innocents on equal footing with those who incidently killed innocents. You are putting on equal footing those who prevent civilians from leaving hot zones to those who leaflet telling the civilians to leave the hot zones… consequently helping the terrorists in the process. If you told me Hezbollah was seeking to weaken the military capabilities of Israel, i’d say this war was toe to toe. however last i checked Haifa wasn’t a base and their enemy wears a uniform.
When did Israel blow up a mosque in Lebenon full of innocent worshipers? Hezbollah did in Argentina? Cafe’s Clubs Theatres schools?

their goals are simple they say it everyday… the spread of Shari’ah law around the world and the death of israel by any means necessary… how shall we negotiate?

Hitler said what he was going to do for years while the world watched. They let him do his thing so long as they weren’t bothered… like Niemoller said…

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

we had to go to war and lost millions of lives because we waited till it was at our door step.

and yes it takes two… but you know what happened when israel thought they had peace with the PLO… walking away from Gaza and willing to give the PLO 90+% of what they wanted? PLO continued their attacks, because they love death more than israel loves life… it’s simple. Do you think Israel wants to be in this situation? Do you think they want to invade their neighbors? They are in Lebenon for a simple goal and that is the complete neutralization of Hezbollah and the return of Israeli soldiers. The reason they were kidnapped is simply because israel wasn’t alert enough because they actually thought these groups will leave them alone. But again people keep looking at this as rich vs poor and not good vs evil.

like a smart kid getting beat up by a bully. everyone wants to understand the bully and patronize and appease. yet the bully knows nothing will really ever happen to them and so they bide their time…

WWII Germany allowed no compromise because it was THEIR policy, not because they displayed it by ignoring or rewriting international treaties, although they did (who else is doing this?…hmmmm….). Their demonstration of lack of compromise was their policy of no compromise. However, you are comparing a nation with, at best, a political group. The difference is enormous. Hezbollah is nothing like WWII Germany (I speak of structure and physical resources, not ideology – Germany had tanks and planes… as far as I have heard, Hezbollah does not possess these things, nor does it possess a nation – mind you, I do not defend their terrorrist methods, but those are the acts of their followers and not a national policy of Lebanon, even if Lebanon does not try to bring them to justice). It was Germany who promoted the concept of “collective punishment” in recent history: this idea that, “Well, the missiles came from somewhere in your country, therefore every man woman and child in your country is guilty.” And most apologists would add, “and they are Islamic, as well, and we are behind the destruction of Islam.” You claim that this is justifiable because the terrorist (the criminals, not national soldiers) “dishonored” an agreement? So, if criminals act in a neighborhood to any illegal purpose, that whole neighborhood is guilty of aiding and abetting (without even clear evidence thereof)? If a group of armed men went into the lot across the street from your home at midnight, fired off a couple of mortars and ran off, are you going to rush out there like Rambo and stop them? Please spare me. At best you’d call the authorities, and try to stay out of sight. Now if there is no real effective police force, or you fear (with justification or not) that they are in league with the authorities, you may not even bother with bringing that attention to yourself. So you condemn people to death for being (natuarally) afraid of the terrorists. Not very kind. The terrorists must first instill fear in the population around them – it does NOT mean that that entire population supports or aids them. Lebanon made the agreement, the criminals acted like criminals, and you blame the Lebonese in total along with the criminals so as to justify indiscriminate destruction and death.

“Whether the reason for the peace being dishonoured is because of a weakness within a governments ability to enforce the peace, or whether it is willful is in fact irrelevant.”
“When Israel said “This means war” Lebanon’s government at the time should have either agreed to help Israel take down Hezbollah or pressured Hezbollah to return those soldiers. When they didn’t the pretext for war was already made.”

So, if the governemnt is too weak to maintain control of the criminals how is it supposed to “pressure” them to release their prisoners without a return? It is circular logic on your part to justify destruction: the governemnt was too weak to contain and control the criminals, so the agreement was broken by the criminals, and therefore the weak government should have conjured some power to pressure the criminals that they were too weak to stop in the first place. Why did not the Israeli government work WITH the Lebonese government, so as to avoid destruction of civilian life and civilian infrastructure? And as I stated before, once the Israeli army started destroying civilian infrastructure and life, is it not the rule of reciprocity that Lebanon has every just right to declare war with Israel, so as to defend its people? (of course, since the governement IS weak, it cannot even defend itself). You thus argue that a nation that is still building strength should not receive aid, but should, rather, receive death.

On to your results to justify the means: before picking at your points, your results are poor justification of the death and destruction. I don’t buy it at all: what has already occurred does not justify an entire Middle East peace. AND, at the end, you state that these conditions will not ever exist. Therefore, by your own admission, the actions of Israel are NOT justified (you list what is necessary to justify it to you, and then you say it will never ever happen – so it is not justifiable).

“Peace” would justify the killing and damage that has already occurred? You accept quite a bit for “peace”. But I am certain that you cannot define “peace” in a REALISTIC manner that is achievable in the real world: as long as people are motivated by greed and bigotry, there will be no peace. Power corrupts, and therefore there will never be a utopian ideal of “peace”. Accept it. “peace” is simply when people are not killing each other, and that begins by not killing each other. Peace at any cost is not peace, nor is it moral — that is a justification to abuse other human beings, and no better than the religious crusading of ANY religion that does so (e.g. Islamics, Jewish, Christians, etc.).

What measures are necessary to ensure that “Israel would have to be secure from future attacks”? One could argue that they will not be secure until every Islamic is killed. There are those arguing that right now. You cannot effectively define this, which is why it is a prime argument: you can ALWAYS claim that there is an insecure situation threatening a border, or port, or what have you.

Also to justify all these innocent deaths, you require that the entire Middle East, UNCONDITIONALLY accepts Israel. How about conditionally (you know, compromise)? Even the US made SOME compromises with the Native Americans. Not entirely fair, but there was still some measure of give there.

“Further, the Middle East would have to turn into a stable region with a fairly enlightened rulership that does not discriminate based on race, gender or creed.”

There is no country in the world that fits this description. I am gong on too long, and will not add more on this, though there is a LOT more to say about this little statement.

You sound a bit biased – pro-Israel, and anti-Islam. You DO know that BOTH religions have in their core dogma an elitism that cries that they are THE saved, and everyone else is dirt? How their members act varies as widely as everything else that drives people: most people are relatively good, but these are also not generally the kind of people who climb to power (in government or in fringe groups).

You seem to have a very down to earth understanding of the impossibility of war resolving ANYTHING apart from death, destruction, misery, and hatred, yet you apologize for the deaths of innocent civilians and the destruction of vast swaths of civilian infrastructure. I do not apologize for Hezbollah’s criminal behavior. But I also see it as that (criminal acts), and not as national policy of a nation of people (though they are heading that way, thanks to Israel’s actions). You don’t blow up an entire neighborhood because there is one sociopath living on the block.

“To their leaders this is a matter of winning power, they really don’t care about their followers. To the followers this is a holy war, that is long overdue. It is a war they have been programmed to from infancy by endless tapes calling for the death of Israel, they have been raised with the memories of previous wars, their grudges suplemented by fact and fiction, until finally they are willing to be a weapon against their foes.”

Funny, but it seems there are a good number of Israelies who fit that exact mold as well (I think they are the Zionists). Although in your case (as mine here about Zionists) the statement about the thoughts of the leaders is pure speculation. Unless you are talking with them, you do NOT KNOW what they think — you have an opinion, which is certainly biased on your own experiences and knowledge, and is not objective (no one is, but few will admit it).

“if they didn’t want this war why didn’t they just give the soldiers back? “

Probably, in a good part, because they felt that they counted a viable coup, and they wanted to receive some of their people back. Why didn’t Israel just agree to a prisoner exchange? They refused to even NEGOTIATE a prisoner exchange. Why was that? Did they PREFER this war? If Hezbollah refused to a one-for-one prisoner trade, then I would say they were completely unreasonable, but since Israel refused to even consider that as an option, no one KNOWS if Hezbollah would have accepted it. You can speculate all you want, but you do not know.

Neville Chamberlain was dealing with a country that didn’t honour its side of the deal, which led to the war. If Hitler had honoured his side of the deal, the war wouldn’t have happened, but Hitler was never known for his honour. You can’t have a 1 sided peace.

As an example of what I am talking about when I say that peace can bring an end to the engines of war: Take the whole continent of Europe. Centuries of hatred, war and outright ethnic cleansing. The Germans don’t like the French, the Russians don’t like the Germans, and nobody liked the English. Now after a couple of years of peace? EU, with talk of oil moving over to being traded in Euros.

When peace is engaged from both sides, the people on both sides tend to forget that they are supposed to hate each other, it becomes a non-issue what somebody did to your great grandfathers puppy last century. Peace is required, but all sides in the argument need to engage in it.

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2006/07/no-more-half-solutions.html

The islamo-fascists tell us everyday what they want and how they are going to get there, yet the international community and some of you all give them a pass, with the thought that they can be negotiated.

I also have a question… you all are so after Israel for killing innocents… never mind Hezbollah prevents these people from leaving… never mind israel leaflets where they are goign to bomb..

but where was you outrage in Kosavo when Clinton and NATO bombed innocents and said the actions in Kosavo were a moral imperative for the international community?

And we have troops there still… any paralles with iraq? genocide? ruthless dictator?

I don’t think you all have read really much of anything the man has written, nor know his background..

I agree to a point with what you said.. but

War simply doesn’t work that way. Peace does, slowly, but generally war just results in more misery and hatred being piled upon misery and hatred. Groups such as Hezbollah (Which bares a striking resemblance to Zanu PF) will continue to grow stronger, and so long as their are fingers to pull the triggers, there will be more and more blood spilled. In the end someone will get called the victor, whereas in all reality what will be left will be a ragged remnant of what there was before

I think Neville Chamberlain and Poland can disagree with you on that statement of peace. I also don’t see where this applies to the aftermath of WW2 for Japan and Germany. The mideast and north korea for that matter operates on ignorance. Those in power controlling thought, press, and propaganda.

Hezbollah and the rest are hell bent… they hit anything even their own if they will serve a purpose. Argentina, Spain, Canada, India, Palistan, Bali, Phillipines, on down the line… what do they have to do with their ideologies…

Did you read Thomas Friedmans OP-ED in the NYT… and many others have said it as well… they don’t care about their people, they care about bringing about the destruction of Israel… Israeli children have dreams of being inventors and living their lives… palestinaians children have dreams of being martyrs…

If Hezbollah and alike put their weapons down, there would be no more violence. If Isarael put their weapons down, there would be no more Israel.

The issue is many wish to divide the world by rich and poor not good and evil

It would have to be demonstrated that the results could not be achieved by any other means, in short it would have to be shown that any compromise would be dishonoured, as the compromise in Gaza WAS. (Peace for land; the land changed hands and then promptly got used for launching rockets into Israel. This was dishonourable.)

A good example of this was WWII Germany, which dishonoured its agreements with other nations, and thus demonstrated that no compromise could be reached.

Whether the reason for the peace being dishonoured is because of a weakness within a governments ability to enforce the peace, or whether it is willful is in fact irrelevant. When Israel said “This means war” Lebanon’s government at the time should have either agreed to help Israel take down Hezbollah or pressured Hezbollah to return those soldiers. When they didn’t the pretext for war was already made.

Now the Results that would have to be reached in order to Justify the means:

Peace. Israel would have to be secure from future attacks, and the surrounding countries would have to accept that Israel both exists, and is going to continue to exist whether they like it or not. The Middle Eastern propaganda mills, which spew nothing but outright hatred, would have to be shut down, and their message rejected by the people on both sides.

Further, the Middle East would have to turn into a stable region with a fairly enlightened rulership that does not discriminate based on race, gender or creed. It would have to be a final demonstration that when push comes to shove, God doesn’t really exist, or at least if he does he doesn’t take sides in the petty bickerings of his pet mortals.

Israel should, if all of that happens, gain the ability to open its borders, allowing visits to the various Islamic holy sights in the area, without the threat of violence. Slowly a population shift may occur which ends in the result of Israel becoming a Muslim country, but it would be a peaceful transition.

Why this won’t happen:

War simply doesn’t work that way. Peace does, slowly, but generally war just results in more misery and hatred being piled upon misery and hatred. Groups such as Hezbollah (Which bares a striking resemblance to Zanu PF) will continue to grow stronger, and so long as their are fingers to pull the triggers, there will be more and more blood spilled. In the end someone will get called the victor, whereas in all reality what will be left will be a ragged remnant of what there was before.

As a PS to the Hezbollah isn’t that evil: To their leaders this is a matter of winning power, they really don’t care about their followers. To the followers this is a holy war, that is long overdue. It is a war they have been programmed to from infancy by endless tapes calling for the death of Israel, they have been raised with the memories of previous wars, their grudges suplemented by fact and fiction, until finally they are willing to be a weapon against their foes.

While probably they didn’t expect the strength of Israel’s reaction, and I will grant you that they may not have intended it to go as far as it did, if they didn’t want this war why didn’t they just give the soldiers back? While they wanted their soldiers back, you can bet they wanted the propaganda victory as well. This is a election campaign war for Hezbollah, nothing more.