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]]> By: Skeptic http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/comment-page-4/#comment-719357 Skeptic Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:30:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/#comment-719357 Jason; I read the wikipedia article and the Zionist movement did predate World War I. However do you realize that you are assuming that a documentary whose name you can not remember, that you can not name the distributer, the producer, or the author is completely true? You are assuming that your memory of that documentary is dependable even though you cannot remember enough to properly attribute it. You are assuming the documentary was not fictional and was both well research and well presented. This is not only a single point of failure, but a fairly insubstantial point to hang your evidence. If I told you that I thought my Aunt had told me that eating eggs would cause your hair to turn gray, would you give up eggs for breakfast? Jason;
I read the wikipedia article and the Zionist movement did predate World War I. However do you realize that you are assuming that a documentary whose name you can not remember, that you can not name the distributer, the producer, or the author is completely true?
You are assuming that your memory of that documentary is dependable even though you cannot remember enough to properly attribute it.
You are assuming the documentary was not fictional and was both well research and well presented.

This is not only a single point of failure, but a fairly insubstantial point to hang your evidence.

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]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/comment-page-4/#comment-719305 Gregor Samsa Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:15:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/#comment-719305 <i>to say you never read about it in a European history book means nothing. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 10, 2006 @ 1:03 pm</i> And to make statements on what most Europeans believe based an obscure conspiracy theory explained in a "documentary" you saw on TV is bizarre. You still have to provide one shred of evidence that that's what Europeans still believe -assuming they ever did. Without any fact to back up your claim, your posts are worthless. to say you never read about it in a European history book means nothing.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 10, 2006 @ 1:03 pm

And to make statements on what most Europeans believe based an obscure conspiracy theory explained in a “documentary” you saw on TV is bizarre.

You still have to provide one shred of evidence that that’s what Europeans still believe -assuming they ever did. Without any fact to back up your claim, your posts are worthless.

]]> By: Jason M. Hendler http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/comment-page-4/#comment-719264 Jason M. Hendler Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:03:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/#comment-719264 #175, Gregor, My post was to refute those who said there were no Zionists in Europe prior to WWI or even WWII. Zionists had planned to create a Jewish state in Europe if need be, which is why they needed Europe in anarchy to achieve it, according to the documentary that I saw. Europe has scrubbed their history books of any statements that might be construed as anti-Semitic, because of their shame for the holocaust, so to say you never read about it in a European history book means nothing. #175, Gregor,

My post was to refute those who said there were no Zionists in Europe prior to WWI or even WWII. Zionists had planned to create a Jewish state in Europe if need be, which is why they needed Europe in anarchy to achieve it, according to the documentary that I saw.

Europe has scrubbed their history books of any statements that might be construed as anti-Semitic, because of their shame for the holocaust, so to say you never read about it in a European history book means nothing.

]]> By: Matthew Vadum http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/comment-page-4/#comment-719010 Matthew Vadum Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:52:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/#comment-719010 <strong>WRONG TARGET, JUDD.</strong> You attacked the wrong think tank. <a href="http://www.capitalresearch.org/blog/default.asp?archiveID=518" rel="nofollow">It's our book</a>. Take a deep breath, calm down, and learn how to conduct research. Yours in struggle, Matthew Vadum Research Associate and Editor Capital Research Center WRONG TARGET, JUDD.
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]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/comment-page-4/#comment-718935 Gregor Samsa Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:34:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/#comment-718935 <i>This pre-dates WWI and places Zionists in Europe with the motive to cause anarchy to create a Jewish state. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 10, 2006 @ 8:37 am</i> You are grasping at straws now. At the turn of the 20th century, Palestine was in the hands of the Ottoman empire. The European powers could not have blocked the creation of a Jewish state simply because that land wasn't theirs to give, and the Ottomans weren't keen on giving up any land either. It was only <b>after</b> WWI that the Ottoman empire was divided, and Palestine ended up as a British protectorate, that an European power was conceivably in the position to advocate/block the creation of Israel. Moreover, as I've stated repeatedly, European history has always been clear on the origins of WWI, and WWII -never has Zionism entered the picture (we are talking <b>most</b> of Europe, mainstream). If anyone at anytime scapegoated Zionists or Jewish on anything related to WWI, it was the Nazi regime. They blamed the "international Jewry" (as they caleld it) for <b>losing</b> the war -not starting it, and for the sorry state of the interwar German economy. I urge you to abandon your crackpot conspiracy theory, and to stop projecting it on Europeans. This pre-dates WWI and places Zionists in Europe with the motive to cause anarchy to create a Jewish state.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 10, 2006 @ 8:37 am

You are grasping at straws now. At the turn of the 20th century, Palestine was in the hands of the Ottoman empire. The European powers could not have blocked the creation of a Jewish state simply because that land wasn’t theirs to give, and the Ottomans weren’t keen on giving up any land either. It was only after WWI that the Ottoman empire was divided, and Palestine ended up as a British protectorate, that an European power was conceivably in the position to advocate/block the creation of Israel.

Moreover, as I’ve stated repeatedly, European history has always been clear on the origins of WWI, and WWII -never has Zionism entered the picture (we are talking most of Europe, mainstream). If anyone at anytime scapegoated Zionists or Jewish on anything related to WWI, it was the Nazi regime. They blamed the “international Jewry” (as they caleld it) for losing the war -not starting it, and for the sorry state of the interwar German economy.

I urge you to abandon your crackpot conspiracy theory, and to stop projecting it on Europeans.

]]> By: Jon http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/comment-page-4/#comment-718731 Jon Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:38:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/#comment-718731 While Cohen is a senior fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research he wrote the book for <strong>Capital Research Center</strong>, a non-profit think tank based in Washington DC. Go to <strong>Capitalresearch.org </strong>to order the book and read his arguements. While Cohen is a senior fellow at the National Center for Public Policy Research he wrote the book for Capital Research Center, a non-profit think tank based in Washington DC. Go to Capitalresearch.org to order the book and read his arguements.

]]> By: Jason M. Hendler http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/comment-page-4/#comment-718509 Jason M. Hendler Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:37:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/vast-majority-climatologists/#comment-718509 From Wikipedia: "While Zionism is based in part upon religious tradition linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, the modern movement was mainly secular, beginning largely as a response to rampant antisemitism in Europe and in many parts of the Muslim world during the 19th century." Zionist movement began and was located in Europe as a result of anti-semitism in Europe in the 1800's. This pre-dates WWI and places Zionists in Europe with the motive to cause anarchy to create a Jewish state. From Wikipedia:

“While Zionism is based in part upon religious tradition linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel, the modern movement was mainly secular, beginning largely as a response to rampant antisemitism in Europe and in many parts of the Muslim world during the 19th century.”

Zionist movement began and was located in Europe as a result of anti-semitism in Europe in the 1800’s. This pre-dates WWI and places Zionists in Europe with the motive to cause anarchy to create a Jewish state.

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