Cheney: Lieberman Loss ‘Disturbing’ Because al Qaeda Is ‘Betting They Can Break The Will of The American People’
Cheney: Lieberman Loss ‘Disturbing’ Because al Qaeda Is ‘Betting They Can Break The Will of The American People’
As the Mideast sits on the brink of regional war, Vice President Dick Cheney spent his time yesterday holding a teleconference to discuss the outcome of the Democratic Senate primary in Connecticut.
Cheney said that to “purge a man like Joe Lieberman” was “of concern, especially over the issue of Joe’s support with respect to national efforts in the global war on terror.” He explained:
The thing that’s partly disturbing about it is the fact that, the standpoint of our adversaries, if you will, in this conflict, and the al Qaeda types, they clearly are betting on the proposition that ultimately they can break the will of the American people in terms of our ability to stay in the fight and complete the task.
Cheney’s argument assumes that the war in Iraq is helping the United States defeat terrorists. He’s wrong. His own State Department found last April that Iraq had become a safe haven for terrorists and attracted a “foreign fighter pipeline” linked to terrorist plots, cells and attacks throughout the world. An overwhelming bipartisan majority (84%) of national security experts believe we are losing the war on terror, and 87 percent think Iraq has had a negative impact.
Cheney should spend less time analyzing the Democratic primary in Connecticut and more time acknowledging the administration’s critical policy failures and trying to fix them. (A good place to start is the American Progress plan, Strategic Redeployment 2.0.)
Read the full Cheney transcript HERE.
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And, there you go! Ha!
August 10th, 2006 at 10:14 amGee, Im good at this.
Did the reporter interviewing Cheney laugh in his face. If not, he or she should have. Absurdity squared. Unbelievable.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:17 amI think VPOTUS should go hunting with the Lieberman Campaign. And take them out of their misery.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:19 amCheney describes an election as a “purge”? No a purge is when fascists and authoritarians Hitler, Stalin Pinochet and Pol Pot send adversaries into a field to be machine-gunned. An election is when two opposing political parties debate and put the decision in the hands of the people.
No wonder the nation is in such a mess. Cheney thinks Iraq is a model of democracy and that Connecticut is totalitarian state.
Hey Dick, have a drink and a steak you callous ghoul. By the way, how are Mary Cheney’s book sales?
-GSD
August 10th, 2006 at 10:20 amOh sweet baby Jesus…
The neocon spin machine is operating at full tilt, I see…it’s too bad that this latest ‘terrorist incident will prove to be just as false as the rest of them.
But of course, by the time the truth starts to surface, we’ll have moved on to more pressing concerns…like the invasion of Iran and Syria.
Here’s my prediction: the United States will be entering this Israel/Hezbollah/Syria/Iran conflict by October at the latest. See if I’m wrong.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:20 amthey clearly are betting on the proposition that ultimately they can break the will of the American people in terms of our ability to stay in the fight and complete the task.
One question. What task?
August 10th, 2006 at 10:20 amP.S.: This is the first picture of a smiling Cheney I’ve ever seen….I think I prefer the scowl.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:21 amdiet sez:
One question. What task?
You know….freedom…and junk…
August 10th, 2006 at 10:21 amthis will be how they will try to spin out of this mess on november 9th ‘08 as well .
August 10th, 2006 at 10:23 amAgain, someone needs to take steps to squash this whole ‘election’ thing that we apparently do every 4 years… can’t people see that it’s impacting our national security to pull good people out of office and replace them with some new guy during a time of war?
Now that we are literally on red alert, hopefully BushCo will seize the opportunity to stop all this election nonsense and outlaw free speech and dissent, at least until we have completely eliminated all terrorists worldwide.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:24 amOne question about politics, guys? What the hell a member of the present government has to be talking about the other party elections?
August 10th, 2006 at 10:26 amWhy do people still give this paranoid man credence?
August 10th, 2006 at 10:27 amCheney has been persistently and consistently wrong over and over again for the last 6 years. Nothing has changed. He is simply wrong again. Besides, he doesn’t even understand the issue at hand so no wonder he is twisting out there in right field again.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:27 amhopefully BushCo will seize the opportunity to stop all this election nonsense and outlaw free speech and dissent, at least until we have completely eliminated all terrorists worldwide.
Comment by Buford — August 10, 2006 @ 10:24 am
Ha! Good one!
August 10th, 2006 at 10:27 amJust in time, al Qaeda comes through for Bush and Cheney. When the chips are down, the Big O is always there to help out his friends in the White House. The only thing going down in flames lately is Lieberman.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:27 amUntil people educate themselves , the GWOT will continue to live and the world will slowly die. The people of the US has followed without question a history based on lies for over 100 years. Presidential doctrines have been progressively more agressive since Monroe and there hasn’t been a peep from the public about America’s rush to the world wide empire with it’s tentacles wrapped around over 100 countries with several hundred standing military bases. Few if any people realize the slaughter of native people and degeneration of living conditions in countries that the US has imposed on most of the countries around the globe for cheap oil, electronics, clothes…
To learn about our real history and future, I highly recommend reading John Perkin’s “Confessions of and Economic Hit Man”, Stephen Kinser’s “Overthrow” and Zbigniew Brzezinski’s “The Grand Chessboard”.
Bill Moyers “The Secret Government” can be found at video.google.com/
videoplay?docid=2397496401234089687&q=secret
Created in 1987, it shows that the NSA has been used for the expansion of the American Empire, operating outside of the legitimate part of the US government.
The BBC has many documentaries on our behavior such as the four part documentary of US propaganda since WWI; The Century of the Self - How politicians and business learned to create and manipulate mass-consumer society.
Part 1 - Happiness Machines at informationclearinghouse.info/article12642.htm
Part 2 - The Engineering of Consent at informationclearinghouse.info/article12646.htm
Part 3 - There is a Policeman Inside All Our Heads: He Must Be Destroyed at informationclearinghouse.info/article12669.htm
Part 4 - Eight People Sipping Wine in Kettering at informationclearinghouse.info/article12698.htm
August 10th, 2006 at 10:28 amcan’t think of anyone more in favor of the al caca and hezbollah’s than ole’ dick. these are his personal friends, doing everything they can to make him what he is today.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:28 amwon’t someone ask mr. cheney to take his medication?
Comment by Just plain mad — August 10, 2006 @ 10:28 am
August 10th, 2006 at 10:31 amI wish you could see me applauding.
Why are they so obsessed with what’s going on in the minds of criminals and madmen? Whether their mad minds are “happy” with what’s going on in every newspaper headline or not? It’s bizarre.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:31 am#4 An election is when two opposing political parties debate and put the decision in the hands of the people
Right there is the problem…too many people elect parties and not the candidates. I think many elections also have more than two political parties represented, many of whom never get to debate their opposing candidates.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:31 amBut of course, by the time the truth starts to surface, we’ll have moved on to more pressing concerns…like the invasion of Iran and Syria.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:32 amThe Lieberman defeat wasn’t nearly as disturbing as the last two Bush victories.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:34 amOutlawing elections, free speech, and dissent is the best way to support our troops who are in Iraq defending our freedoms.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:35 amAnd so it begins…
BTW: Look at that shit-eating grin, Juan. Lordy…
August 10th, 2006 at 10:36 amthere’s that word “purge” again…
August 10th, 2006 at 10:36 amyou’ll be hearing it alot in months to come…
Why is the media paying so much attention to what Republicans think about this democratic primary. Who cares what they think. this isnt about them. Why are we letting the republicans tell the media what to say about this election. We should set the record straight.
1. Lamont won because he represents a new path for Dems
2. Lieberman lost becuase he insults dems. not because he votes against them. many dems vote against dems but they arent in trouble of losing their seats.
3. Lieberman has been bought by the lobbyists. thats why they stick up for him. theyve invested in him.
4. His independent run just shows his lack of commitment to Conn Dems and US dems. Hes selfish and used us.
5. Hes not a good bipartisin politician. He doesnt and has never created a compromise. He tries to convice dems by using repub words
6. Dems want a united party. they voted for a dem to represent Conn. We want a united party.
7. Dems are very excited to have a party to push for our ideas. Lieberman slowed us down and ripped us apart. We will no longer except the repubs to define us. We will let the media listen to Democrats define democratic ideas.
Contact your local News outlet and tell them to get the facts right.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:37 amCheney is just adding to the list of evidence against him.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:38 amMore rope sir?
VP “Chickenhawk”
Cheney FIVE DEFERMENTS:
1st deferment: Cheney enrolled in Casper Community College in January 1963 — he turned 22 that month — and sought his first student deferment on March 20.
2nd deferment: (student), after transferring to the University of Wyoming on July 23, 1963.
3rd deferment:(student)on Oct. 14, 1964.
4th deferment: attended graduate school at the University of Wyoming on Nov. 1, 1965.
5th deferment: On Oct. 6, 1965, the Selective Service lifted its ban against drafting married men who had no children. Nine months and two days later, Cheney had his first daughter. Cheney applied for 3-A status, the ”hardship”exemption, which excluded men with children or dependent parents. It was granted.
Murtha on Cheney: “I like guys who’ve never been there that criticize us who’ve been there. I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don’t like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done.”
August 10th, 2006 at 10:39 amSweet jumpin Jeebus on a pogo-stick…
al Qaeda knows we won’t “complete the task” because we showed them we wouldn’t when Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld let their collective ADD kick in and they stopped focusing on Afghanistan and bin Laden.
This just shows that the American people, at least those who are in touch with reality, have realized we let the wrong people get a hold of our country.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:40 amJLi’s loss proves that the voters of Connecticut are willing to stand up against the wishes of BushCo….
August 10th, 2006 at 10:44 amOne question about politics, guys? What the hell a member of the present government has to be talking about the other party elections?
Comment by Juan C — August 10, 2006 @ 10:26 am
A very good question. The WH is throwing their support to Lieberman. No surprise there. Hell, last night Chris Matthews couldn’t even get Ken Mehlman, chairman of the RNC, to endorse the Republican candidate in Connecticut. Ken said they were going to leave everythng up to the state Repubs. Yeah, right. A Democrat who is a big supporter of the WH and its policies gets beat in a primary, decides to run as an Independent, and the Republican National Committe takes a hands-off approach. Betcha they’d be rallying around the Repub candidate had Lieberman bowed out of the race.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:45 amWho knew that the only thing standing between us and al qaeda was Joe Lieberman?
August 10th, 2006 at 10:45 amI can’t believe that he can get away with saying such preposterous shite. Only a scumbag Republican would try to link an insignificant election (only significant to the Republicans that are losing an ally in the Senate) to the threat of terror.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:46 ama vote for liberals is a vote to placate the terrorists. After the attempted attack in the UK yeasterday it’s scary that you libs actually want to seek peace with terrorists. you may win a few seats in the ‘06 elections but when America sees your dismal failure in fighting the war on terror you’ll be gone. You cannot trust liberals with national security all they are really concerned with is try to make peace withan enemy that does not understand peace. if you think Pat robertson is nuts you just love what the muslims have in mind
August 10th, 2006 at 10:46 amComment by g — August 10, 2006 @ 10:37 am
i find it interesting that he is referred to as “lamont, the millionaire“…
August 10th, 2006 at 10:47 amit’s a slam when it’s the opposition…
Face it, Cheney. America thinks you’re full of shit.
FIGHT TERRORISM WITH INTELLIGENCE. VOTE DEMOCRAT.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:47 amWhat I can’t understand is how the Brits were able to nab those people using (gasp)police methods!
I was under the impression that you had to send 130,000 troops into Iraq to combat the threat of Global Terrorism. Police methods are supposed to be for wimps who don’t understand the nature of the enemy.
I guess we’ll have to write off Scotland Yard–along with 146,000 voters in Connecticut–as just another bunch of Bush-bashing appeasers who Hate Our Freedom.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:47 amHow soon before Bush gives a speech linking 9/11 to this latest escapade? Get out your egg timers….
August 10th, 2006 at 10:48 amTerm limits.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:48 amLuckily for Joe, we’re ALL GONNA DIE!
This has been a Terrortainment Network Breaking News Update… Stay tuned for team talking head coverage!
(Bottom paragraph contains news round up links including coverage 1.3 Million people running for their lives from the most powerful typhoon to hit China in 50 years.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:48 amSo Tricky Dicky II knows what’s going on in Al Qaeda, eh? Must mean he chatted up Osama bin Looney at one of the Big Oil Man Hoedowns they both attend or somethin’. After all, there’s no way Cheney could know what Al Qaeda is “clearly” doing without getting some insight direct from the top.
So now Dicky is consorting with the enemy — sounds like treason to me…
August 10th, 2006 at 10:49 amTo Dick: Maybe you haven’t been keeping up on current events but we just got our asses kicked, pal! -Private Hudson in Aliens
August 10th, 2006 at 10:49 amThere will never be an end to this ‘task’ as Dick puts it, with toxic and naive rhetoric that spews from this administrations mouths. Does Dick think that extremists will just one day say, ‘OK we give up’? NO! BushCo’s words and actions are the reason we are in this situation.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:49 am#25 - That’s right! We’re going to “purge” the Regressives out of congress and put in some good American Progressives! Woo hooo!
Vote Progressive to save America from fiscal insanity and failed policies!
August 10th, 2006 at 10:49 amA vote for the Republican party is a vote for incompetence.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:50 amOne question about politics, guys? What the hell a member of the present government has to be talking about the other party elections?
Comment by Juan C — August 10, 2006 @ 10:26 am
Oh…and they are running scared. They know this was a referendum on The Decider and, horror of horrors, it might just start a trend. The people in this country may go purge crazy and turn control of Congress over to Democrats. And then the s*it will hit the fan.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:50 amWhen the vote goes against someone (JLi) who agrees with BushCo, it has international implications… when the vote goes against someone who disagrees with BushCo, it is insignificant.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:50 amIt’s against Al Queda’s religion to bet… Cheney is a dunce.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:50 amRight, I am positive that Akbar the Sunni and Abu the Shiite use both hours of their electricity to read about the election in CT. They then formulate their future policy based on whether we voted for Joe or Ned.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:51 amDick, get a clue or use your phone a friend lifeline. Your game is just about over.
The Nazis calling the Americans Nazis. Like saying the MSM is liberal bias. They have a way of taking their own evil ways a spinning them on the other party in order to justify themselves.
Maybe its just me?
I’m glad Lamont won it showed the people stood up. Now its time to start shouting!…
August 10th, 2006 at 10:51 amWho the HELL buys the tired argument that “if your not with us, your a terrorist sympathizer”? If your not breaking the law or if you don’t support breaking the law, YOUR the criminal? Big Brother is trying not to die a tragic death.
Cheney, your neocon dream is coming to an end, and you’re all running like cockroaches when the light is turned on.
Squish, stomp!
August 10th, 2006 at 10:52 amTo Dick: Maybe you haven’t been keeping up on current events but we just got our asses kicked, pal! -Private Hudson in Aliens
I say take off, nuke the neocons from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:52 amDude shows up just when we need to hear from him.
It’s . . . . un-canny!
Totally a coincedence and has no connection with the incumbents peeing their pants.
The thing that’s partly disturbing Mr. Cheney, is how you think your opinion actually matters.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:53 amYour approval rating is sub-zero, teflon dick . . . and falling fast.
Just like your credibiliy level.
Now go back to your underground blood transfusion bunker, where you belong, and quitely await the fate that you have brought upon yourself.
Dick, get a clue or use your phone a friend lifeline. Your game is just about over.
Comment by RUCerious — August 10, 2006 @ 10:51 am
Thanks…I finally laughed today!
August 10th, 2006 at 10:53 amImpeach Bush and Cheney…
August 10th, 2006 at 10:54 amWhat I can’t understand is how the Brits were able to nab those people using (gasp)police methods!
I was under the impression that you had to send 130,000 troops into Iraq to combat the threat of Global Terrorism. Police methods are supposed to be for wimps who don’t understand the nature of the enemy.
I guess we’ll have to write off Scotland Yard–along with 146,000 voters in Connecticut–as just another bunch of Bush-bashing appeasers who Hate Our Freedom.
Comment by Invisible Fist — August 10, 2006 @ 10:47 am
Excellent post!
So, what do you say, reddog? Are the Brits wimps?
August 10th, 2006 at 10:54 amTo Dick: Maybe you haven’t been keeping up on current events but we just got ourasses kicked, pal! -Private Hudson in Aliens
I say take off, nuke the neocons from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
Beautiful! Neocons in power has only gotten us on an express elevator to hell…going down!
August 10th, 2006 at 10:55 amDick Cheney is secretly having an affair with Leonid the Magnificent.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:57 amBeautiful! Neocons in power has only gotten us on an express elevator to hell…going down!
What One Says To Ann Coulter If One Sees Her Anywhere Near The Statue of Liberty:
Get Away From Her, You Bitch!!
August 10th, 2006 at 10:58 amWhat I can’t understand is how the Brits were able to nab those people using (gasp)police methods!
Police methods? That’s so pre-911, not enough money to be made.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:58 amAm I the only one who notices the intense, familial understanding Cheney has with Al Queda. I expect him to say at any minute, “We hate you for your freedom .. I mean THEY hate you for your freedom..”
I have no doubt that Bin Laden sleeps easy at night knowing the White House would sooner blow up the Empire State Building than go after him. Why is the cozy relationship between ALQueada and the Bush White House not seriously examined any more than Bush ignoring 9/11 warnings (particularly since Bush had been WARNED Al Queda should be considered the top threat facing the US by the Clinton administration)?.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:58 amFat, ugly, bastard with his failed neocon policies! Phony Joe is a loser neocon Democrat who consorts with murdering, conscienceless scum like this.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:01 amCheney’s latest ratings
CBS News/New York Times Poll. July 21-25, 2006. N=1,127 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. RV=registered voters
“Is your opinion of Dick Cheney favorable, not favorable, undecided, or haven’t you heard enough about Dick Cheney yet to have an opinion?”
7/21-25/06 Favorable = %20
5/4-8/06 Favorable = %20
2/22-26/06 Favorable = %18
Wow, he’s experiencing a significant bump up from Feb!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:01 amWhat’s the difference between Ann Coulter and the Statue of Liberty?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:02 amThese attempted airline bombing terrorists were in Britain? We must bomb Britain with everthing we have!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:02 amBush admin. “WORSE_THAN_NOTHING” at protecting America’s vulnerable, hazardous CHEMICAL PLANTS. NY Times headline editorial:
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2006/ 06/ 14/ opinion/ 14wed2.html?ex=1307937600&en=b884cb3ce5e79af0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
Bush administration D’s and F’s - FAiLURES - at protecting America.
9-11 Commission Final Report, summary of FAILING and ‘D” grades:
http://www.9-11pdp.org/press/2005-12-05_summary.pdf
WashHoPo review of above:
August 10th, 2006 at 11:02 amhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2005/ 12/ 05/ AR2005120500097.html
Jules — August 10, 2006 - At your service. It’s the only way I keep from crying for our battered nation.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:03 amWhat’s the difference between Ann Coulter and the Statue of Liberty?
Comment by Regis — August 10, 2006 @ 11:02 am
The Statute of Liberty has a personality?
Brains?
Compassion?
Wit?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:03 amWhich country gave us the Statue of Liberty?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:05 amSee even Cheney admits that Lieberman is a GOP agent and their loyal ass kisser > lol.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:05 amMostly the conservatives come at night.
Mostly.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:05 amCheney? I thought he was dead.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:06 amAfter all this, the biggest neocon failure has been distorting the real threat by fabricating others.
Since when do these assholes give a shit about Al Kayduh?
Well, if you dipshits weren’t in Iraq wasting time and money, Al Qaeda would be all but defeated, and now that really is disturbing.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:06 amIt is you the Neocons that intend to break the will of the American people for the purposes of individual greed. Sorry not buying and looks like I am not alone. Now go write the next plot for the future thwarted terra attack and get a bit more creative please,it’s getting a bit boring.
This makes me stop questioning the existence of God. There IS a God and that is why Cheney is still alive. God doesn’t want to take him home. No one wants him. Not even the devil.
Cheney’s comments are absurd and I’m frightened that the American people will buy it and not see today’s latest “Terror warning” as just an out and out lie.
All of this to distract that they probably have figured out how to rig the 2006 election anyway. There is no way they will sit back and let the country speak for itself.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:07 amAll the neocons condeming the electoral process, where the voters spoke?
All thre neocons coming to the defense of Joe-No-Mentun.
If there was any indicator of what party Joe was really working for, this is it.
Can you name one other Democrat the Repugs would come to the defense of if they lost the party nomination?
Joe is not a real democrat, and has not been for a while. He is republican in democrat clothing.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:10 amOn cue today a bogus terror plot is supposedly uncovered, and thwarted by Bush’s poodle pal Tony Blair, so it’s convenient for Cheney to say Osama already is taking advantage of Joseph Lieberman being defeated by Ned Lamont?!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:10 amThe arrogance of King George and his minions is staggering, any suggestion of their infaliability is considered treasonous. Well give me Liberty or give me Death, thats all that I can say. Let’s run the whole bunch out of town on a rail. Its the form of public transportation to which they are so deserving.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:10 amAl queda has already broken the will of the American people. This is exacerbated by the re-election of Dick Cheney. We’re just little scared people and we need Dick n George out there protecting us. What men!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:13 amWhat’s the difference between Ann Coulter and the Statue of Liberty?
Comment by Regis
The Statue of Liberty is only frigid in winter.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:16 am“Break our will in terms of the ability to stay, fight and complete the task”. That is the problem, the task will NEVER be completed whilst everything in this country that is worth fighting for goes to hell.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:16 amNo question, the exercising of our political process is a sign of weakness. If we really wanted to show al Qaeda, we would make Bush and Cheney co-dicatators for life. That’d show ‘em!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:18 amJen:
Here’s how it will go:
The MSM will be inundated by reichwingers prattling on about how this is a stark example that we can’t let our resolve slip on the War on Terror…not fo an instant (and, by the way, liberals are with the terrorists, and if you vote for a liberal, you’re asking the terrorists to kill your family). This assault will continue for about two to three weeks, while the situation in Israel/Lebanon continues to deterioriate.
About when the hysteria regarding this latest terrorist plot is winding down, Israel will uncover ‘evidence’ that Iran and/or Syria are actively aiding and abetting Hezbollah. The reighwingers will switch back to praattling why we need to be bombing Iran and Syria.
The U.S. will engage Iran and Syria sometime in October. Don’t ask me where they’re going to get the troops…I don’t know (I don’t think they do, either).
By the time November rolls around, we’ll be fully committed to fighting Iran and Syria. When the 2006 election is stolen (just as the 2000, 2002, and 2004 elections were), neocons will claim that ‘America voted for security, strength, and honor’, despite the massive evidence to the contrary.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:18 amIt is you the Neocons that intend to break the will of the American people for the purposes of individual greed.
Not individual greed. Neocons somewhat resemble Noah Cross in the movie Chinatown. As when Jake Gittes asks him “what will you get that you don’t already have?” and Cross answers “The future, Mr. Gittes, the future!”.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:18 amFor Kristol, Krautspammer, the PNACers, and the disciples of Leo Strauss it’s always been about using 9/11 as a heaven-sent opportunity to create the dictatorship they’ve always dreamed of. 9/11 is to them what the German victory in 1940 was to the Right wingers in France, the “divine surprise” which enabled them to bring down what they had hated for decades–the Third Republic. Of course they then proceeded to make a complete mess of the sequel, but why is that not a surprise?
i can smell the stench of Zell Miller Sequel Part II - in the ‘08 Republican Presidential Convention… with Joe Loserman in the staring role. it’s a love story of 2 losers who deserve each other.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:20 amNo question, the exercising of our political process is a sign of weakness. If we really wanted to show al Qaeda, we would make Bush and Cheney co-dicatators for life. That’d show ‘em!
Bingo!
You dumbass libruls are finally getting with the program!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:21 amAmazing that this man has not been physically removed from office and strung to a tree. A traitor of the greatest magnitude.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:22 amI see all the moonbats and anti-semitic liberal trash have come out today. It is because of the liberal mentality that we are dealing with these islamic pieces of trash. Islam and the liberals were meant for each other. I wish all the liberals would move to the middle east, so we could take out two birds with one stone. By the way, if you are at the airport and are frustrated, then thank a Democrat. And by thanking them, I mean punch them in the face.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:23 amSnagged this from dailykos, taken from a phone interview:
Well he sure as hell wasn’t endorsing the Republican candidate, now was he?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:23 amBTW: Look at that shit-eating grin, Juan. Lordy…
Comment by Zooey — August 10, 2006 @ 10:36 am
So, thats what it looks like… :)
August 10th, 2006 at 11:28 amRedDogRocket!!! Joe Lieberman!!! HELP ME!!! the Al Kader is a-comin’ up the street , a-fixin t-chop my head off, and that gol-darned Lamont feller won’t help me!!! Help me Dick Cheney!!! grab yer shotgun and help me!!! Hurry!!! they’re a-choppin off the head of my neighbor lady right now - I don’t know what to do, I can’t get away rom them - there are so many swarming the streets in their nissan 4-by’s with their swords and AK’s……..I’m so afraid….If only those damned lib-ruls would’ve let us declare martial law back in 2000 like we should have……if nothing else, maybe my death will show them that it’s better to have a theocratic military junta run things than it is to maintain that damned old constitution….woe is me, they’re a-comin fer me now…help me Mama, help me Paul Wolfowitz!!!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:29 amATTENTION ALL NED LAMONT SUPPORTERS You have been classified as terrorist supporters under Presidential Directive 06-106624. You are hereby ordered to report to your nearest FBI, DHS, or police station for internment and re-education. DHS-102412. END MESSAGE
August 10th, 2006 at 11:29 amI gotta ask; How much stock in Al Qaida does Cheney own?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:33 amModerated by Admin.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:33 am#87 - You are a dangerous freak - I’m glad NSA is monitoring all this stuff, ’cause it’ll make it a lot easier to track your ass down after you’ve gone postal and shot up the insurance office down the street……keep that hate simmerin, buddy, and if I can help tip you over the edge into complete insanity then I’d be happy to. Your children will hate you and be gay, your wife will leave you and marry a woman, and you’ll find out that your “best friend” (the only person that will talk to you at work) is a vegetarian that believes in gun control. Stew on that for a bit, then do something criminal that we can get you sent to prison for…..freak!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:34 amWell he sure as hell wasn’t endorsing the Republican candidate, now was he?
Speaking of endorsements, did anyone here catch Hardball last night? Chris Matthews was interviewing Ken Mehlman, and Ken steadfastly refused to endorse Alan Schlesinger. It’s looking more and more like the Repugs are going to throw their support behind Lieberman.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:34 amNo one here has discussed the substance of Cheney’s comment and their merits, which if one reads the 9/11 Commission Report, are considerable. The Commission found that the the United States’ withdrawal from Somalia in the 1990’s following the Al Qaeda-linked attack on U.S. forces in Mogadishu (and recorded in the book and film “Black Hawk Down”) emboldened Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and convinced them that the United States was essentially weak and lacked staying power should events become difficult (See pages 48 & 60 of the 9/11 Commission Report).
So, it seems only prudent to ask what message would the U.S. be sending Al Qaeda if we prematurely withdrew our forces from Iraq?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:34 amLooks like the crushing of Lieberman has got the rightard’s flowery panties in a twist. I love the emotional responses hahahahahahahahahahaha Enjoying myself tremendously. Hillary is next. Get the F out of Iraq or get the F out of office!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:35 amBushit and Chaney think the resisters would cut and run like they did in the 60’s. If they want to fight the terrorest then get serios about it and get enough troops to do the job.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:36 amWell gee, who’ let Osama go free in Bora Bora? The dems?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:37 amwoops! I spoke too soon - there is a greater freak afoot here than ol #87, and he is all the way ’round the bend - funny how it’s always those guys accusing us of being flaky. Flaky is as flaky rants, bro, and you done took allllll the cake with that G. Soros screed…..get a prescription and go ahead and pre-register as a sex offender now, cause it’s only a matter of time before you dress up like Dennis Miller and take a sack of candy down to the park to do some “hunting”
August 10th, 2006 at 11:38 amooops…Tora Bora. Eccuse me citizens of Bora Bora….lol
August 10th, 2006 at 11:40 amJoe Lieberman is/was a Democrat, correct? Ned Lamont is also a Democrat. Connecticut Democrats chose a Democratic candidate to represent them in November. That is all that happened. How is it that the Vice President thinks that what happened in a Democratic Primary, on a State level, can have such a major impact on the Terrorists? Is he serious? If he is, we have WAY bigger problems to deal with. Gawd, their crap is SO old. The ’cause’ of the danger is always changing, but the ‘result’ is always the same. Whatever, Dick.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:40 amTora Bora
August 10th, 2006 at 11:41 amI wish that dumbass would go stand next to a very, very high powered microwave.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:42 amModerated by Admin.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:42 amI swear that man is the penguin
August 10th, 2006 at 11:42 amthat is one diabolical and evil grin I have ever seen
August 10th, 2006 at 11:42 amSpeaking of endorsements, did anyone here catch Hardball last night? Chris Matthews was interviewing Ken Mehlman, and Ken steadfastly refused to endorse Alan Schlesinger. It’s looking more and more like the Repugs are going to throw their support behind Lieberman.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — August 10, 2006 @ 11:34 am
Yes. I also liked how Ken said they were leaving the decision regarding an endorsement up to the Republicans in the state.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:43 amExley sez:
…and you can stop right there. The 9/11 Commission Report contains literally hundreds of ommissions, distortions, and outright lies. Sorry, but you don’t get to use it as a justification.
So, it seems only prudent to ask what message would the U.S. be sending Al Qaeda if we prematurely withdrew our forces from Iraq?
Tell me, Exley, what message did we send Al Qaeda by sending forces into Iraq in the first place?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:43 amAt one time, I believed the United States a monolith, jammed-packed with gun-totin’, hummer drivin, stark raving lunatics. This site has shown me that there are still thinking human beings in the US. It seems the gun-totin’, hummer drivin’, stark raving lunatics are all in government. Boy! do I feel better!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:43 amAny GOP swine who mentions terrorism or al-Qaeda for their political campaign needs to explain just how Dear Leader W is keeping us safer from another al-Qaeda attack by shutting down the CIA unit devoted to catching or killing bin Laden
Sure sucks for the GOP that this latest BS had to take place now, as opposed to right before the November elections, but of course, the closer to the elections obvious PR stunts like todays supposed Terrorist attack occur, the more obvious it is a desperate stunt to stop the coming GOP ballot-box bloodbath in November
This will end up being yet another fizzled PR stunt, which will have NO bearing on the November elections, like the last batch of supposed major terrorist plots against US targets. In fact, just how many major terrorist plots have actually been disrupted here in the US? And Plots means something more than just talking and blathering, as in a large-scale operation that was past the initial planning stages?
BTW
China’s looking to Iran to help fuel it’s rapacious oil demand-does anyone think they’d really let Dear Leader W invade and occupy Iran with absolutely no major retaliation of any kind?
There will be NO invasion and occupation of Iran & Syria while we’re still bogged down in Iraq, and just for the sheer numbers of US troops needed to do just that, while still maintaining current troop levels in Iraq, there’s absolutely no way such an invasion & occupation can occur
And since China and Russia can rain down instant nuclear ruin on the US, then the radical neocons-who do NOT represent the US political or social mainstream-are SOL again to an unpleasant reality even they can’t spin away more to their liking
In short, there’s NO way for W to strike Iran & Syria in a way that’s consequence free, and that alone means the radical neocons will see their latest blood-fueled fantasies crumble into the rubbish heap of history
Besides, does anyone here really think the US public will go along with yet another massive military invasion & occupation-targeting Iran & Syria-with the current troop levels still occupied in Iraq?
This one’s a no brainer
As is the fact that Karl Rove’s an overestimated politcal hack-For God’s sake, you try and seize as much power as possible when the condititions for widespread resistance are lowest, not when opposition is much more widespread which makes the objective so much harder to accomplish
In short, right after September 11 would have been the time to change the laws in W’s favor regarding the recent US Supreme Court ruling that BitchSlapped the Administration over it’s deliberate ignoring of Geneva Convention protections for anyone under direct US military control, as opposed to now, when the majority of the US public is against this President and his policies
The GOP’s already collapsing from it’s numerous ethical scandals and legal woes, and come November, it’s going to be in even worse shape than it is now
MUCH worse
August 10th, 2006 at 11:44 amLet’s see, who supported Osama when he worked for the CIA in Afghanistan, supported Saudi Arabia where most of the hijackers come from and where this new muslim radicalism started?Hmmmm
August 10th, 2006 at 11:44 amDick Cheney, you neo-con, Zionist bastard programed clone. Did I say Clone? Yes, indeed. I know for fact that you were removed by the Glactic Federation over a year ago and judged by the Lighted Realms Tribunal! Wake-up Americans to the truth. Israel is the enemy! AIRPAC is the enemy! ADL is the enemy! Don’t you realize 30% of all we work for goes to Israel! I’m the GOD child Emphatic Heart. I come with the many millions of legions of the lighted realms at my beckoning! I am that that I am, of light and truth! Brothers and sisters Lucifer has been removed from this Earth plane. Now all his minnons run around like chickens with their heads cut off. It is time to use your own discernment concerning matters upon this Earth plane NOW!!! We will not let the NEW WORLD ORDER progress any futher. I petition you Americans to transmute all the negative karma you can. Come unto your power, awaken my beloved brothers and sisters! Creator GOD ATON of the Nebadon Universe (my father) is here! I petition you brothers and sisters to call upon your guardian angels, for they are many and await your calling for guidance and intervention. But you must ask, for they honor the law of freewill. I come to help bring Heaven to Earth, as all the lighted realms do so also. The one whom you call Jesus is actually Isu Emanuel SANANDA Kumura, my beloved brother. A very great warrior of Love and Peace. He to is spiritually with us at this time. However, no man knows when he will incarnate upon the earth plane. But I tell you it will be very soon. This current earth cycle is coming to a end for a new paradigm to emerge! I would request each of you americans to consider what congress has done for you…vote the bastards out!!!
Of the one Light of Creator GOD ATON of Nebadon Universe!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:45 amDick Cheney, paranoia’s undeterred champion.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:45 am#96. . . please connect the dots…. Iraq = Al Qaeda???????? If you remember, bush/cheney attacked Iraq because they had proof of WMD’s. Ops, no WMD’s, well, it’s about democracy and getting rid of an evil guy. So, just where does Al Qaeda fit in with Iraq?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:46 amSo, it seems only prudent to ask what message would the U.S. be sending Al Qaeda if we prematurely withdrew our forces from Iraq?
Comment by exley — August 10, 2006 @ 11:34 am
Are you willing to blame 9/11 on Reagan? Chris Matthews said that his pulling our troops out of Beirut in 1983 also emboldened al Qauea.
How about Bush Sr? Can we lay blame on him, too, by pulling out of Iraq in Gulf War I instead of going after Saddam? By the way, Cheney didn’t want to go into Baghdad either.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:47 amCheney is getting real nervous about the 2006 election… wonder why?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:47 amSo, it seems only prudent to ask what message would the U.S. be sending Al Qaeda if we prematurely withdrew our forces from Iraq?
Comment by exley
Well, they might become afraid that our resources were going to be redirected toward actually damaging al Qaeda rather than fomenting civil war in a country that posed no threat to the US. They’d also regret that we weren’t still there to stir up further hatred of the US in the region, further swelling their ranks with new recruits.
Mostly they’d just go about their business, secure in the knowledge that this administration never has and never will truly take them seriously.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:48 amAnd the answer to comment 96 is that terrorists will understand that there are enough Americans smart enough to want to get out of a senseless quagmire that the leaders will eventually follow them.
What bin Laden says he learned in 1991 is no longer the point. As the Repubs are proud of pointing out, 9/11 changed everything. The point is what did bin Laden learn from 9/11?
He learned that the American people will be so furious over an attack that they will rally around anyone, even bozo the clown, who is intent on hunting him down and killing him–unless they have put some cabal of neoconservative idiots in power who will let him escape while they chase pipe dreams of capatilist grandure in the oil fields of the mideast.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:48 amCheney knew about the terror plot that was unfolding in Britain when he made those comments. You can bet on it. It’s always about propaganda.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:51 amBig thanks to Think Progress for attracting the most colorful and wacky Trolls in the free world. I get no greater kick these days than stopping by to see what the “conservative intelligentsia” has to contribute to the threads. I especially enjoy taunting and goading them, which I’d never do to the random, mentally diseased homeless people I encounter. There are people to be appealed to, people to be pitied, and then there are these clowns - wish I had their addresses, so I could send them all a shiny new tinfoil hat to wear to their next civil defense meeting. My flipside to their oft-repeated laments about the degeneracy and decline of our society is this: How in the hell did the US manage to produce them??!! Where did all the woefully ignorant, proudly mis-informed, maniacally hateful people come from??? Who pissed in Rush’s corn flakes, that he would devote his entire career to exhorting and mobilizing a legion of hateful dummies?? Did any of our national heroes EVER do that? Yes is only an answer if you think McCarthy was a national hero, and not a national disgrace.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:52 amSo, it seems only prudent to ask what message would the U.S. be sending Al Qaeda if we prematurely withdrew our forces from Iraq?
Comment by exley
Also prudent…what message was Bush saying to al Qaeda when he said, “I don’t care where bin Laden is. I don’t think much about him.”
August 10th, 2006 at 11:52 amGuys, the neocons are starting to get desperate. The whole Iraq mess is falling apart and they are running out of reasons to make Americans scared as hell so that they will enable these right wing authoritarians and passively allow them to rule.
I don’t think that anyone in the Democratic Party is saying “let’s run and hide from Al Qaeda”. What most of us seem to be saying is that there are better ways of confronting Al Qaeda and clearly the direct military approach taken by Bush & Co. just doesn’t work. We are like the Redcoats fighting the American colonists; we are not innovating, we are following old styles of combat.
The best response to Al Qaeda and their ilk is to use intelligence agencies and police action to track them down and “bring them to justice”. It worked well for Clinton after the first Trade Center bombing and it could have worked for Bush had he the patience for such things. Of course, there is no money to be made if the police are on the task whereas sending the military creates opportunities for profiteering. THAT is the reason our men and women in uniform are dying every day in Iraq. THAT is why they are so dead set on keeping Americans scared. THAT is why they are so critical of Democrats who seek better solutions.
Always remember that fear is the autocrat’s best friend. In the immortal words of FDR, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” We can and will beat Al Qaeda; the only question is how much longer we will pursue the dead end military approach before we start making real progress.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:53 amwhat message would the U.S. be sending Al Qaeda if we prematurely withdrew our forces from Iraq?
Comment by exley — August 10, 2006 @ 11:34 am
This excuse was the same used to prolong the war in Vietnam. At the end, the US had to withdraw after losing a considerable amount of people, hardware, money, and international prestige.
Vietnam turned communist anyway and all the dire, doomsday, predictions about the whole region turning communist didn’t come true. I suspect the curent predictions about “terrorists” won’t come true either.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:55 amSo, it seems only prudent to ask what message would the U.S. be sending Al Qaeda if we prematurely withdrew our forces from Iraq?
Comment by exley
Or how about why we have been prematurely decreasing our troop strength in Afghanistan. You know where al Queda was and probably is.
And what does al Queda have to do with Iraq anyway?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:56 amThe real “will of the people,” as expressed in a little thing I like to call an “election,” is that Iraq is a mistake that needs to end.
Of course, Cheney doesn’t give a shit about the real “will of the people” is pretends to know what the terrorists are thinking.
Save it for the trailer park, Dick.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:57 am.
that is one diabolical and evil grin I have ever seen
Comment by madashell — August 10, 2006 @ 11:42 am
i dunno… this one always freaks me…
August 10th, 2006 at 11:57 amhttp://www.defensetech.org/archives/002546.html
what message would the U.S. be sending Al Qaeda if we prematurely withdrew our forces from Iraq?
That we’re turning our attention to fighting terrorism? That America is no longer playing into their hands?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:58 am.
Dear Cheney:
If you hate American democracy, then please leave. We need an administration that believes in the “will of the people”. Good-bye.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:59 amThat photo TP used here was obviously taken before the polls dropped him and his sock puppet into the 30/40 approval ratings.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:00 pmThis site has shown me that there are still thinking human beings in the US. It seems the gun-totin’, hummer drivin’, stark raving lunatics are all in government. Boy! do I feel better!
Comment by rgl — August 10, 2006 @ 11:43 am
imagine how WE feel…
August 10th, 2006 at 12:01 pmHERE’S news- Cheney is a coercive lying criminal treasonous FOOL. It’s so transparent is absurd- whenever the code word ‘Al Qaeda’ is invoked- i.e. “Al Qaeda is betting on….”- “Al Qaeda feels…” a certain way- he’s actually referring to himself & George! My god- it’s so simple- WHAT a strategy! It’s DaBUSHY Code!!!!- When the chips are down, and the obvious implosion of their administration becomes more and more evident- they constantly invoke how Al Qaeda “feels”?!!! Or the casual reminder of 9/11 of course- but I guess it turns out it’s not really heresay now is it??- their simply talkin bout themselves… YIPEEE I cracked it. Al Qaeda’s not even the biggest problem as we all know now- our own administration is a gigantic bully, and as we all know- the bully never wins in the end. Very sad.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:02 pmTo me at least, watching the nation shift in 40 years time from a nation of people who had some semblance of right and wrong and were willing to protest–sometimes violently–to one that just doesn’t want to be bothered is mind-boggling. So much has transpired unique to this administration’s tenure that we NEVER thought could happen in or to the U.S. that it is natural to wonder where the public outcry is. Complacent and apathetic, we have ourselves to blame for Bush, Cheney and the gang.
It’s beyond nauseating to think that people still support these traitors, believe their words and adhere to the lies which they spout.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:03 pmWes Clark on “Being Strong on National Security”
http://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2006/ 8/ 9/ 141354/ 8076
Wed Aug 09, 2006 at 11:13:54 AM PDT
Wesley Clark came out strongly for Ned Lamont today, but it’s this passage that particularly caught my attention:
You see, despite what Joe Lieberman believes, invading Iraq and diverting our attention away from Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden is not being strong on national security. Blind allegiance to George W. Bush and his failed “stay the course” strategy is not being strong on national security. And no, Senator Lieberman, no matter how you demonize your opponents, there is no “antisecurity wing” of the Democratic Party.
Well said. That’s the Democratic message on National Security this year, and it works. That’s why Republicans are freaking out.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:07 pmDid they catch Osama in Iraq yet? Anyone who supports the war in Iraq will be voted out of office. People aren’t as stupid as Cheney thinks they are. Iraqis and terrorists are not one and the same. The Lieberman election proved that. People are thinking now. Anyone in favor of this adminstration will be voted out of office. The Bush administration is a failed disaster. They world is as deadly as ever. Now we have even more hatred than ever before. However, Americans are finally waking up to the fact that the Bush Administration is what should be feared.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:07 pmIf you were on guard duty and your post was overrun by the enemy and after investigation it was found out that you were asleep on watch why would you expect to be promoted?
August 10th, 2006 at 12:09 pm911 was an act of TREASON or a failed watch I see no middle ground .
this sort of thing is all the rethugs have left… they have lost the debate because they are WRONG…
August 10th, 2006 at 12:11 pmJust think how much 300 billion dollars would buy in terms of border security,port and terminal package screening and security, upgraded spy networks,airport security,better treatment of our soldiers, REAL monitoring and prosecution of terrorists within the law throughout the world with international cooperation. We would all be much safer but the Oil Industry and Weapons Manufacturers poorer.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:13 pm#109 — Tell me, Exley, what message did we send Al Qaeda by sending forces into Iraq in the first place?
We were telling them that after 9/11 the U.S. would no longer tolerate regimes that aided and worked with Al Qaeda.
#116 — There is enough blame for 9/11 to go around. Yes, Reagan’s withdrawal from Beirut in 1983 also inspired the Islamists. In retrospect, it was a mistake. Of course, I never understood what we were doing in Beirut in the first place. And yes, if we had continued on to Baghdad in 1991, history would probably have been quite different.
#125 — I am not sure we HAVE in fact decreased our troop levels in Afghanistan. I actually don’t think we have. As for the second part of your question, see my answer to #109.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:14 pmHave the legs fallen off the ReichWing’s One Trick Pony called FEAR?
August 10th, 2006 at 12:16 pm109 — Tell me, Exley, what message did we send Al Qaeda by sending forces into Iraq in the first place?
We were telling them that after 9/11 the U.S. would no longer tolerate regimes that aided and worked with Al Qaeda.
Comment by exley
Still hanging on to the fantasy that al Queda was in Iraq before we invaded it. Let it go. The truth is so comfortable.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:19 pmVietnam turned communist anyway and all the dire, doomsday, predictions about the whole region turning communist didn’t come true. I suspect the curent predictions about “terrorists†won’t come true either.
Actually South Vietnam going communist did make a huge difference. Instead of making running shoes for 30 cents an hour in Saigon, the Vietnamese are making running shoes for 30 cents an hour in Ho Chi Minh City.
Damn you, Jane Fonda! Damn you!!
August 10th, 2006 at 12:19 pmPeople aren’t as stupid as Cheney thinks they are.
Comment by Heynow — August 10, 2006 @ 12:07 pm
The results of the last two elections would be evidence to the contrary… never underestimate the power of stupid people working in a group.
The only real hope that America and the world have for a peaceful future is to gradually reduce the minions of idiots through enhanced education initiatives… but as long as we spend most of our tax revenues on pretend wars and not on schools we will have little hope to deplete the dummies.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:20 pm#141:
“Osama bin Laden Contact With Iraq”
August 10th, 2006 at 12:21 pmA newly released prewar Iraqi document indicates that an official representative of Saddam Hussein’s government met with Osama bin Laden in Sudan on February 19, 1995, after receiving approval from Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden asked that Iraq broadcast the lectures of Suleiman al Ouda, a radical Saudi preacher, and suggested “carrying out joint operations against foreign forces” in Saudi Arabia. According to the document, Saddam’s presidency was informed of the details of the meeting on March 4, 1995, and Saddam agreed to dedicate a program for them on the radio. The document states that further “development of the relationship and cooperation between the two parties to be left according to what’s open [in the future] based on dialogue and agreement on other ways of cooperation.” The Sudanese were informed about the agreement to dedicate the program on the radio.
The report then states that “Saudi opposition figure” bin Laden had to leave Sudan in July 1996 after it was accused of harboring terrorists. It says information indicated he was in Afghanistan. “The relationship with him is still through the Sudanese. We’re currently working on activating this relationship through a new channel in light of his current location,” it states. ABC News.com
Yesterday the republican talking points was bashing Ned Lamont and scaring the hell out of the American people!! Tony Snow, Cheney, Fox “News”, etc. O’Reilly even said that voting in Lamont was giving way to nuclear blackmail!!!!???? Tony Snow that it would cause a new 9/11. And then suddenly today 21 terrorists (Islamic fascists, according to Bush - don’t know were he got that, he knows more than Scotland Yard!!) were captured in London. Oh yeah?? Good timing!! Forget that hundreds of innocent people are being killed every day!! Just be scared, reaaaally scared!! Am I being paranoid here??? It is so obvious that it slaps you in the face! Did GWB say: “Fool me once….”??? Well, he still thinks he can fool everyone… unfortunately, he is close to the truth here… Oh - my - God!!!
August 10th, 2006 at 12:21 pm#141
Saddam, Al Qaeda Did Collaborate, Documents ShowBY ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
August 10th, 2006 at 12:22 pmMarch 24, 2006
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/29746
CAIRO, Egypt - A former Democratic senator and 9/11 commissioner says a recently declassified Iraqi account of a 1995 meeting between Osama bin Laden and a senior Iraqi envoy presents a “significant set of facts,” and shows a more detailed collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
In an interview yesterday, the current president of the New School University, Bob Kerrey, was careful to say that new documents translated last night by ABC News did not prove Saddam Hussein played a role in any way in plotting the attacks of September 11, 2001.
Nonetheless, the former senator from Nebraska said that the new document shows that “Saddam was a significant enemy of the United States.” Mr. Kerrey said he believed America’s understanding of the deposed tyrant’s relationship with Al Qaeda would become much deeper as more captured Iraqi documents and audiotapes are disclosed.
Last night ABC News reported on five recently declassified documents captured in Iraq. One of these was a handwritten account of a February 19, 1995, meeting between an official representative of Iraq and Mr. bin Laden himself, where Mr. bin Laden broached the idea of “carrying out joint operations against foreign forces” in Saudi Arabia. The document, which has no official stamps or markers, reports that when Saddam was informed of the meeting on March 4, 1995 he agreed to broadcast sermons of a radical imam, Suleiman al Ouda, requested by Mr. bin Laden.
The question of future cooperation is left an open question. According to the ABC News translation, the captured document says, “development of the relationship and cooperation between the two parties to be left according to what’s open [in the future] based on dialogue and agreement on other ways of cooperation.” ABC notes in their report that terrorists, believed to be Al Qaeda, attacked the Saudi National Guard headquarters on November 13, 1995.
The new documents suggest that the 9/11 commission’s final conclusion in 2004, that there were no “operational” ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda, may need to be reexamined in light of the recently captured documents.
While the commission detailed some contacts between Iraq and Al Qaeda in the 1990s, in Sudan and Afghanistan, the newly declassified Iraqi documents provide more detail than the commission disclosed in its final conclusions. For example, the fact that Saddam broadcast the ser mons of al-Ouda at bin Laden’s request was previously unknown, as was a conversation about possible collaboration on attacks against Saudi Arabia.
“This is a very significant set of facts,” former 9/11 commissioner, Mr. Kerry said yesterday. “I personally and strongly believe you don’t have to prove that Iraq was collaborating against Osama bin Laden on the September 11 attacks to prove he was an enemy and that he would collaborate with people who would do our country harm. This presents facts should not be used to tie Saddam to attacks on September 11. It does tie him into a circle that meant to damage the United States.”
Mr. Kerry also answered affirmatively when asked whether or not the release of more of the documents captured in Iraq could possibly shed further light on Iraq’s relationship with al Qaeda. The former senator was one of the staunchest supporters of the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act, which made the policy of regime change U.S. law.
However, Mr. Kerry has also been a critic of how the administration has waged the campaign in Baghdad, which he calls the “third Iraq war,” meaning that the period between the invasions of 1991 and 2003 was a prolonged military engagement.
Here we have the perfect scenario to test your ridiculous hypothesis. Do you think that if a couple of hundred thousand registered Democrats in Connecticut had voted to nominate Lieberman instead, the terrorists in the UK would be so scared of the American resolve that they would swear off terrorism?
What does it mean to “win” the war on terror? If winning means a world with no terrorist attacks, we have to now admit that we haven’t won it. Actually, according to that definition, as long as there is one terrorist we will not win the GWOT. If winning means preventing terrorist attacks, then it looks like the UK is winning without putting 130,000 troops in a country unrelated to any who attacked us.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:26 pmexley, do you believe your own blather or are you just attempting to justify your flawed mindset at a time that most people are abandoning ship.
Your links prove nothing.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:26 pmOur VP is an Asshole saying its disturbing.. Hold on a sec..I thought Democracy is what they promote
August 10th, 2006 at 12:27 pmCaption Contest: “All your microphone are belong to me!”
August 10th, 2006 at 12:28 pmits always amazing how cheney speaks as if he’s a messenger from al qaeda, knowing what they think about, and how they interpret every big and small American development; like he was in the room when they were discussing the latest events from America.
Is there anyone left that is stupid enough to believe any word that comes out of cheney’s mouth? why is that sick, demented piece of shit still holding an important public position in America?
August 10th, 2006 at 12:28 pm.
want a little insight on how arms deals are made? Rent the flick Lord of War.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:28 pm#144
Please post a link.
And that is your mandate for invading a sovreign country? Someon in the government talked to al Queda and maybe they will have mo