DeLay on Liberals’ Reaction to Terrorists: ‘You Can’t Go After These Wonderful People that Just Killed a Bunch of Americans’
DeLay on Liberals’ Reaction to Terrorists: ‘You Can’t Go After These Wonderful People that Just Killed a Bunch of Americans’
Just now on Fox News, criminally indicted ex-Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) said that liberals “don’t want to fight this war on terrorism.” DeLay described the liberal world view as “Can’t we all get along?” and said that liberals’ reaction to a terrorist attack is, “You can’t go after these wonderful people that just killed a bunch of Americans.” Watch it:
This is a classic Rovian tactic. An overwhelming majority (84%) of national security experts — liberal and conservative — believe America is losing the war on terror under the guidance of the Bush administration. Instead of addressing the failure of their approach, Delay and other White House surrogates attack their opponents on the same issue.
It may or may not be a successful political strategy but it definitely doesn’t make the country safer.
Full transcript:
DELAY: They don’t want to fight this war on terrorism. If they did, Bill Clinton would have led us into the war on terrorism and against Islamic fanatics. Their world view is, “Can’t we all get along? Surely we can talk our way out of this.” And so when we are attacked, their first reaction is to recoil, and say, “This is really horrible. It’s too harsh and you can’t go after these wonderful people that just killed a bunch of Americans. You’ve got to just find a leader here or there, put him in jail,” instead of understanding, as the President understands, that we are at war. We are at war all over the world and you have to go get these terrorists and either put them in a cell or a cemetery. That’s all they know. And we have to do it with overwhelming force. That’s something that i criticize the administration for right now.
CAVUTO: Yeah.
DELAY: You want to get rid of the insurgents in Iraq? Overwhelming force. Israel shouldn’t just let a few troops into Lebanon every now and then. They ought to call up the entire army and have overwhelming force in Lebanon.
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Has the Bush/Coulter Republican Party filed for moral bankruptcy yet?
-GSD
August 10th, 2006 at 5:26 pmOverwhelming force.....sounds like a blitzkrieg to me.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:28 pmThat this lying piece of shit--who is above the law that governs the rest of us--would make such a comment is outrageous. We clearly have two Americas, and this white trash is from the "other one."
August 10th, 2006 at 5:28 pmHow can they even be taken seriously when they prop up a man who is Criminally Indicted!
This is not a man who can be trusted!
August 10th, 2006 at 5:28 pmLook Mr. Delay, just because Bill Clinton postponed Armageddon doesn't mean it's not going to happen. Geesh, I think when it comes to the end of the world one really can't push the envelope.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:29 pmHey, aren't you the guy that got smacked down by Scalia, indicted in Texas, dropped out of Congress, ran away from Texas,so you could avoid running for office, because you know you'll lose? Shut your pie-hole, loser.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:29 pmonly Fox would give voice to a disgraced indited scumbag.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:29 pmAs you document the right wing spinning of Lieberman's defeat, please don't forget to point out that Ned Lamont holds the same basic belief about the war on terror as a majority of Americans: the war in Iraq is not making us safer. The last poll I saw said 59% of american hold that position, perhaps you have one that is more current.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:31 pmter·ror (tĕr'ər) pronunciation
n.
1. Intense, overpowering fear.
2. One that instills intense fear: a rabid dog that became the terror of the neighborhood.
3. The ability to instill intense fear: the terror of jackboots pounding down the street.
4. Violence committed or threatened by a group to intimidate or coerce a population, as for military or political purposes.
5. Informal. An annoying or intolerable pest: that little terror of a child.
How do you expect to win a war on a noun?
August 10th, 2006 at 5:33 pmWar on Drugs?
War on Poverty?
Have we won those yet Dubya?
Stop instilling the fear!
This anti-American neofacist traitor thinks he knows what liberals think... since when did Delay become a mind reader? If he was so brilliant, he would have know that he was going to get caught sleeping with Abramoff.
Can't trust Republicans to tell the truth.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:34 pm"Look kids, that's a dirty criminal, doing what they always do: LIE."
August 10th, 2006 at 5:35 pmDelay must be a Rapture fan.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:35 pmThe fact that they keep trotting this guy out to broadcast the rethuglican talking points tells us the others are trying to distance themselves from this nonsense, pre-election.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:35 pmCan't we just 'go after' people like Delay the same way people like Delay want to 'go after' anyone they perceive to be their enemies?
August 10th, 2006 at 5:35 pmRepublicans love to blame other people for their failures... especially "liberals."
They failures of this war are the failures of the republican party. period.
They can run but they can't hide from their record of failure.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:36 pmHow the hell does the BugMan get away with this stuff?
Liberals are NOT the evil of the world. In fact, Progressives consistantly execute better foreign policy, oversee stronger economic growth, enjoy a higher level of happiness, and live in greater safety than at any time during a ReighWingNut Administration.
OK, so Progressives get a blowjob from time to time. It takes true talent to be able to hand more than one thing at a time. Right?
Big hairy deal about a blowjob! At least we are a happy group. Unlike those self loathing non-thinking bloated ego non-reality war mongering end times Konservative bubbleheads...
August 10th, 2006 at 5:36 pmHow about a "war on neofacist - Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld". Now that would be doing our patriotic duty.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:36 pmblowjobs is better than no jobs
August 10th, 2006 at 5:37 pm#17 - How about a “war on neofacist - Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeldâ€. Now that would be doing our patriotic duty.
Amen to that!
August 10th, 2006 at 5:37 pmHey Jesus Christ...gow
The problem with the neofacists is that no woman will give them a blowjob. They are jealous.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:40 pm"only Fox would give voice to a disgraced indited scumbag."
Comment by ckerst
Are you talking about Tom Delay or Ollie North?
August 10th, 2006 at 5:40 pmNeo-conservative = self loathing and in-the-closet... using big guns to prove they are manly men....
Yet, significantly less republicans have ever even served their country in the armed forces.
The majority of those in congress who HAVE served are democrats. undisputed fact.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:41 pmLately it's been a steady stream of this kind of bogus rhetoric from conservatives, including those who weigh in on this site. I suppose I can see why: they know they can't win a logical debate.
For instance, if we look at the war in Iraq rationally, we can ask, "Has this war tended to enpower terrorists, or has it tended to reduce terrorist activity?" That would be a reasonable place to start. Both sides could make their points, and most people would come out agreeing that the war in Iraq has tended to worsen the violence in the Middle East and has made it much more difficult for the U.S. to fight terrorism effectively.
Instead, conservatives launch dishonest attacks claiming that liberals sympathize with terrorists, that liberals want terrorists to win, that liberals are afraid to fight, and all that other crap. Delay, like the rest of his minions in the Republican Party, is totally bankrupt of ideas and has no choice but to attack, attack, attack.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:41 pm#21 - how about both scumbags.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:41 pm#24
August 10th, 2006 at 5:46 pmAfter the elections, and the subpoenas start flying, Fox's stable will be top-heavy with'em.
A chorus of jail birds.
Wish we could bring back 'white trash' Bubba Clinton. He knew how to fight a war. He lobbed some US missiles in Bosnia and then got his own missle launched by a sweet little thang named Monica.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:47 pmWhy does Tom DeLay even warrant an appearance on ANY cable news show now? He's no longer a Member of Congress; he's just a private citizen like the rest of us.
But he is, however, the Republican nominee for the TX-22 Congressional District. So shouldn't Fox News Channel have his Democratic opponent, Nick Lampson, on for "equal time"? Or doesn't FNC believe in "Fair and Balanced" any more?
C'mon, Roger Ailes, I'm sure you pay someone to read these blogs. Why do you have one candidate for US COngress on and not his opponent? Where's the "balance" in that?
August 10th, 2006 at 5:48 pmwhat a bunch of liberal bigoted nasty mouth haters you liberals are. I know your "tolerance" only goes so far, far enough to include your love for terrorists.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:49 pmTom DeLay - the fool that is on the Texas ballot for the Republican party, the whiney little dipshit that went crying to the Supreme Court asking to have his name removed from the ballet. DeLay has no balls and will never get a blowjob except in jail... unless his prison inmates have discriminating taste.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:49 pmFox - the network that will fall apart after Ruppert's body gets placed 6 feet under and his greedy children start fighting over his estate. Now, that will be newsworthy and interesting to watch.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:50 pmYes, Fox News just love to show the world and our nation that we are nothing but a farce...a dangerous farce.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:51 pm#7 only Fox would give voice to a disgraced indited scumbag.
Comment by ckerst
That is because he has so much in common with all the other scumbags at Faux Snewz
hehe
August 10th, 2006 at 5:52 pmA Judgment on Iraq
By Wesley K. Clark
Republican strategists could hardly be happier with the outcome of the Connecticut Democratic primary. And Democrats should be deeply concerned in the near term. But if I were a Republican, I’d recognize this as the beginning of the end. Forget about the neocons. This era is over.
Complete article
http://securingamerica.com/
Wes Clark in 2008 !!!
August 10th, 2006 at 5:52 pmSo voting for Lamon over Libermann would make the US more open to terrorist attacks according to cheney. Well what made us open to the terrorist plan that Pakastan just stopped. According to the Newsreaders on CNN the plot was made long before Libermann lost the primary .....WE as bush kept saying hadn't anything to do with finding out the culprits. So what is the bush administration going to do to stop all the terrorist attacks because Libermann lost the primary. Seems to me like they could care less about Libermann they planned the attack befor he lost the primary.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:53 pmWhat are the lessons to be drawn from the major chaos in airports today?
1) Absolute security means the end of freedom and the end of privacy. How long is it going to be before a decision to fly anywhere means having a required iris scan which will tie into a computer network that will scan your police history, court documents, all internet sites and statements associated with your name, your consumer history from cash register tracking, your credit history, your Google searches, and of course your bank records. Got an outstanding traffic ticket? Kiss your trip good-bye.
2) The terrorists won. Why? So 24 of their guys get locked up – so what? How many ordinary people will be inconvenienced multiple times because of them? How many billions in productive activity will have been replaced by fear-based security measures? This was a no-lose situation for the terrorists. All they have to do is communicate a “plausible threat†in order to get us to hurt ourselves.
3) Chronic fear means societal death. You can’t be afraid and be creative too. You can’t grow into your potential if you’re afraid to breathe. Fear of Sparta destroyed classical Greece more than the Spartans ever did. The Athenians did it to themselves.
4) The conservatives and neo-conservatives won today. They want you to be afraid, because the more afraid you are the more likely you are to vote for them. You are more likely to vote for the loss of your rights and services in the interest of “national security.â€
5) For this reason, conservatives and neo-conservatives need enemies. They need the terrorists to help you stay scared so they can grab more power.
6) Adaptability is not always a good thing. Americans and travelers all over the world have and will continue to adapt to Big Brother. It’s been said that chronic drunks in the bowery of Manhattan could adapt to drinking anti-freeze and still survive when there was no money for alcohol. Adaptability is not always a good thing.
7) As you give up more of your freedoms, the fear-mongers of whatever nation, religion, or political party just think of new ways to get you to give up more.
8) At some point the only sane thing to do is to say, STOP! I’ll take my risks! Stop using my money to build stupid make-work security programs that produce absolutely nothing! If all of us were to fly one less trip a year than we did last year the big money in transportation would lighten security so fast you would think they had found Jesus.
9) There’s such a thing as cost-benefit ratios. How many people die in auto accidents EVERY DAY in the U.S? Probably more than die in plane crashes world-wide in a YEAR! Apparently the costs of inconvenience, lost time, and loss of privacy do not yet equal, in the minds of the average traveler, the perceived benefits to their security of all this fear-based crap. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
The big story of the day is “Kiss your autonomy good-bye.†It’s melting away before your eyes. The land of the free and home of the brave has turned into the land of the enslaved and home of the spineless.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:53 pmStraight from the mouth of Tom Delay: Terrorists are "Wonderful People."
August 10th, 2006 at 5:54 pmStraight from the mouth of Tom Delay: Terrorists are "Wonderful People."
August 10th, 2006 at 5:54 pmHow about we do the same thing? Let's attack the neo-cons, the GOP, and Bush as being weak on terror. After all, they've shown no interest in really making us safer. They just want to start wars and make their friends rich.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:55 pmShorter Tom DeLay: WAAAAAAH!!!!
Just wait until you fade into obscurity, Tom.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:55 pmAnother FoxPert! Yes, Dick, you are an unemployed expert at bypassing and breaking campaign contribution laws, maximizing the partisanship during your tenure as House HeadAss.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:57 pmThat makes you a perfect FoxPerv, er. uh, pert.
Did I say Dick? I meant Tom, you Dick!
August 10th, 2006 at 5:57 pm#28 -
what a bunch of liberal bigoted nasty mouth haters you liberals are
What a weird statement about liberals, especially after all the hate that comes out of O'Reilly's mouth and Rush Limbaugh's mouth and Dick Cheney's mouth and Traitor Rove's mouth just to name a few of the neocons that you support.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:59 pmThe land of the free and home of the brave has turned into the land of the enslaved and home of the spineless.
Comment by RealityCheck — August 10, 2006 @
But, I can kick ass on any Tom Clancy video-game ever made, so watch out terrorists, I've got Duluth covered.
August 10th, 2006 at 5:59 pmComment by MadLad — August 10, 2006 @ 5:55 pm
Absolutely. Fact is the GOP is really weak on terrorism... they have no viable strategy, and sound bites don't count as a plan.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:00 pmOkay, Mr. DeLay. You said, "We are at war all over the world and you have to go get these terrorists and either put them in a cell or a cemetery. " A cell, eh? That sounds like you would treat this as a law enforcement issue. So why did you criticize everyone before you who took that approach? Apparently you believe in it, too! Or did that just slip out of your mouth and you only meant the part about killing them? I realize that you were unable to negotiate or reason with the bugs you used to kill, but is killing your opponents the only way you know to stop them?
August 10th, 2006 at 6:00 pm#17
August 10th, 2006 at 6:01 pmExcellent Idea!
#34 - spot on. The terrists have already won. Watch...
August 10th, 2006 at 6:02 pmIf every plot that is hatched is allowed to have this magnitude of fear/response, we've already lost.
Oh by the way, they have your email address, know where you live. Watch your back, ass, etc.
The UK and Pakistan "read the memos" and followed the perps and foiled the plot and today the Republicans, who had absolutely nothing to do with uncovereing this plot, are attempting to take credit for saving us from disaster... hummm...
There they go again... can't trust Republicans to tell the truth.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:04 pmI just noticed , if you combine Ann and Toms faces , it makes a normal size face , but still abnormal ideals .
August 10th, 2006 at 6:05 pmIs that what Jesus would really say? hmmmmmm
August 10th, 2006 at 6:06 pm#49 - that's funny. Every now and then we need a little humor. It's something that the neocons know nothing about. They are always angry and grumpy.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:07 pmAmazing how these wingnuts know nothing about military history. All they know about the Muslim world they learned from watching Raiders of the Lost Ark. Just use "overwhelming force," and all the bad guys will be gone and we'll live happily ever after. Idiots.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:08 pmForget about the neocons. This era is over.
- Wes Clark
August 10th, 2006 at 6:08 pmIsn't it ironic?
Isn't it ironic that just a mere month and a half before the Mid Term elections, when the republicans are so far down in the polls that they barely register, and the VERY NEXT DAY after Ned Lamont wins the Conn primary against Joe Lieberman, signalling a swing to the left and away from the war in Iraq, that SUDDENLY theres ANOTHER terrorist threat and arrest.
I mean, isn't it nice of the terrorists to take the heat off Bush and turn the news into nothing but talk of terror, right before the elections, AGAIN?
I mean wow.
Those zany terrorists.
They must LUV the republicans to keep helping them like this.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:09 pmI thought he was in jail already. Hunh.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:11 pmThose zany terrorists.
They're wacky.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:12 pm#24
Word, bro.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:15 pmwhat a bunch of liberal bigoted nasty mouth haters you liberals are. I know your “tolerance†only goes so far, far enough to include your love for terrorists.
Comment by return of reddog — August 10, 2006 @ 5:49 pm
So how's that port security going, pal? How about border security, chemical factory security, and nuclear power plant security? Airline security? Hah! Numerous reports are available showing what a pathetic program that is.
Funny, I could have sworn the members of the former 9/11 commission recently told us we were no safer from a terrorists attack today than we were on 9/11.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:16 pmTom is in the deck of chickenhawk cards.
http://www.chickenhawkcards.com/
August 10th, 2006 at 6:17 pmMaybe the chickenhawk Melman would be more believable if he were
August 10th, 2006 at 6:21 pmrepresenting the Log Cabin Republicans. He has a lot of nerve
criticising Murtha.
I just love Cavuto's respnose:
CAVUTO: Yeah.
Brilliant.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:21 pmwhat a bunch of liberal bigoted nasty mouth haters you liberals are. I know your “tolerance†only goes so far, far enough to include your love for terrorists.
Comment by rechurn of a blowhard — August 10, 2006 @ 5:49 pm
No pinhead.
I hate the terrorists just as much as I hate you.
Of course, at this point there is not much difference between you and the terrorists, so its easy to hate you both equally.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:22 pmMr. DeLay wants to use overwhelming force. Too bad our military is tied up in a civil war in Iraq.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:23 pmThose zany terrorists.
Those wacky republicans.
Together what a circus act you make... you clowns with exploding shoes you.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:24 pm[...] Tom Delay is an evil, evil, evil, evil, evil, evil, despicable person. [...]
August 10th, 2006 at 6:25 pmDelay went on to explain the nature of the threat, "It not a dump truck†he said,†It's a series of tubes....."
August 10th, 2006 at 6:25 pmShouldn't DeLay be breaking rocks in Oz or something?
August 10th, 2006 at 6:25 pmTom Delay's picture is also on the cover of John Dean's book, "Conservatives without Conscience", along with the Scooter, Abramoff, Cheney, traitor Rove, cat killer Frist, and anti-christ Robertson. They are known by the company that they keep.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:26 pmtough-on-terror politicians....
is that like the tuff on crime politicians that have brought us mandatory minimum sentencing, endless prison building, billions upon billions of dollars wasted on a drug 'war'?
How bout a tuff on ethics and constitution polititians???? anybody who is running on a tough-on-terror campaign just wants Americans to be afraid of a the boogie man so that they can extort your vote through fear....again.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice.....eh...forget it, my minds pulling a bush on me right now, I can't remember how that one goes...
August 10th, 2006 at 6:31 pmSo somebody tell me who foiled this terror attempt , the dummies on a.m. radio this afternoon could'nt give enough credit to american intel , then I get home and cnn credits the UK and Pakastan .
August 10th, 2006 at 6:31 pmDelay better hope is trial is over before Bush leaves office, I don't think a dem president will pardon him.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:33 pm#54 - Yes, ironic, but when you think about it, having the neocons in power is their best recruiting tactic!
August 10th, 2006 at 6:33 pmWhen Canada caught those terrorists the dummies on am radio credited warrantless wiretapping. the truth is, the Canadian authorities were alerted by the muslim community -- a community that doesn't live in fear of a redneck population bent on WWIII.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:34 pmstrong>Why are neocons soft on the Constitution?
August 10th, 2006 at 6:36 pmThis from the guy who commandeered Homeland Security forces to track down Texas state legislators in Oklahoma. Way to keep your eyes on the ball, o finest public servant.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:36 pmHey! where'd my go ? Tom, you got it?
August 10th, 2006 at 6:37 pmAh yes the man who never served in the military because they had too many people. Now he'll look to just profit from the wars. What a wonderful human being.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:38 pmI wish one of these bush/cheney/rove lovers would attempt to connect using the military and killing lots of people to defeat terrorism. I'm waiting for the full report on how many bomb and bullets we had to use to flush out the latest group of terrorists in England.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:38 pmTo understand terror you have to understand the conflict and you have understand the history . Israel does not want peace . If they did they would've went back to the original borders before the seven days war . Now don't go and call me a jew hater because I'm not , just check the facts .
August 10th, 2006 at 6:39 pmTuesday: Lamont beats Lieberman.
Wednesday: Tony Snow says that voting for Lamont is voting for 911.
Thursday: Brits foil a plot to blow up planes. Meanwhile, the right-wing machine is in action:
O’Reilly: Lieberman’s Defeat Shows ‘Americans Have No Will To Restrain Iran’s Jihad’
Cheney: Lieberman Loss ‘Disturbing’ Because al Qaeda Is ‘Betting They Can Break The Will of The American People’
Is it coincidence that a terrorist plot has be foiled? I'm suspicious. This administration distorted evidence so that they could go to war in Iraq. Is it possible they might use terrorism to retain power?
August 10th, 2006 at 6:39 pmWould our government use terror on our citizens ? Would they sent our troops into an illegal war with improper armorment and use terror on Iraqi people ? Mabey .
August 10th, 2006 at 6:44 pmI don't think this is a fake Skeptical. Bush wouldn't trust the UK after the Downing Street memo leak and the David Kelly incident. This feels like it's real.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:50 pm#81 - Would our government use terror on our citizens ? Would they sent our troops into an illegal war with improper armorment and use terror on Iraqi people ?
Did NeoCons read and take too seriously the plot and plan laid out in the book 1984? So they're off two decades. They must've loved the book.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:51 pmListen to Skeptical.
Skeptical is the only one in here that seems to "get it".
We all predicited that sometime before November a big terrorist hullaballoo would pop up, and shift the focus back to the right wing talking points.
And sure enough today that prediction came true in spades.
Ask yourselve people, WHY? Why would terrorists "suddenly" want to do something right before OUR elections, which can help the republicans.
Why would they do it?
We know that the British and US government were "sitting" on this one for some time, so right now, just over a month before the elections, tadaaa! We cought some terrorists.
And not just any terrorists, no sir.
THESE terrorists, were going to do something "like" 911.
Think about it.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:55 pmI like it. Let's keep Delay's face on T.V. as much as possible. The propagandists are getting frantic now.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:55 pmWould they sent our troops into an illegal war with improper armorment and use terror on Iraqi people ? Mabey .
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — August 10, 2006 @ 6:44 pm
Not Mabey.
Mabus.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:56 pmI remind people that 9-11 happened under Bush's and the Republican party's watch. The Republicans appear weak on defense.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:57 pmThe republican ARE weak on defense.
They have proven they can't even defend us from the tiny country of Iraq, or even from the rains down south.
The republicans have proven one thing, and this is the message for November people.
The republican are WEAK.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:58 pm84: I really have to disagree. If this is a fake, it involves too many members of the UK security forces and support teams. Bush and Blair are loathed in my country at the moment. They just couldn't get away with it. Someone would leak.
August 10th, 2006 at 6:59 pm89. When was that quote delivered? Let me guess, the Kosovo intervention. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that was a success wasn't it? Right wingers, please correct me if I'm wrong.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:02 pmThe Republicans are totally weak on national security.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:05 pmCome on BristolDave. Quit drinking the Bristol Creme.
A. It doesn't mean ANYONE in the UK Security Forces knew about this. They arrest who they're told to arrest, and since this is all conveniently classified, only a small handful of people would actually know whats really going on.
B. These terrorists, were they going to act today? Tomorrow? When? Last week maybe? Why arrest them now? Why not 6 months ago? Suppose they did something last month? Or the month before. No by friend from the old country, this is just all too convenient, and maybe you believe that immediatly after the white house loses its Jewish handpuppet, Leiberman, and sees the shift is AWAY from their war song, that SUDDENLY, out of the blue, a 911 like Terrorist attack is foiled, and with the November elections looming just over a month away?
Naaah...
I don't think I'm gonna buy this one.
:|
But feel free to cut yourself up a big slice of this horsecrap.
Rest of the press is.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:05 pmWORFEUS,
There is no way this was an al Qaeda plot. Zwahiri has already said that the next al Qaeda attack will be much larger than 9/11. In other words blowing up some airplanes isn't big enough. You would have to do something really big to "out do" 9/11.
That is why I don't buy all the hoopla being made out over this.
Not to mention:
It didn't have anything to do warrantless wiretaps.
It didn't have anything to do with Internet searches.
It didn't have anything to do with rendition.
It didn't have anything to do with secret prisons.
It didn't have anything to do with torure.
It didn't have anything to do with America intelligence.
It didn't have anything to do with republicans.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:06 pmYou know it Spudge.
This one stinks to high freakin heaven.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:08 pmOh and let's not forget.
As was reported this morning on the news:
NO EXPLOSIVES OR DETINATORS HAD BEEN OBTAINED.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:08 pmBlueDog49, I keep forgetting that Democrats are weak on national security. I mean, they went into the tinderbox of the Balkans and got it peaceful. Hell, the Balkans was only where the 1st World War kicked off and that was a walk in the park for everyone involved. They deserve no credit for bringing stability to that part of the world. The Republicans have succeeded in making the Middle East a safe, stable environment. They should be very, very proud of themselves. The w@nkers.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:08 pmIsn't it funny that the first information released to the press INCLUDED mention of a "911" like attack.
Of course this sounded NOTHING like 911 to me.
This was planes, bombs and oceans.
911 was planes made INTO bombs and flown into buildings.
Nope. This just goes to show the blatant MISUSE of agencies tasked with our national defense for their electorial purposes.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:10 pmDelay thinks terrorists are wonderful people?
I think Dean can use that.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:14 pm96: What it did have to do with was timing -- right after Lieberman got kicked off the democratic ticket and shortly after Blair got caught looking utterly subserviant to Bush, the UK nails a couple dozen would-be terrorists. Blair looks in-control again and the Republicans have something other than a dismal showing in Iraq, civilian casualties in Lebanon and an inept lack of response to Iran and North Korea to show the world -- paying no mind to their lack of involvement. (Either that or we were involved and our silence on the matter is just part of making Blair look good because the neo-cons don't want to be losing multinationalism at the same time they're losing bipartisanship.)
Good job for the Brits, good show for the politicos, but all it really proves is that terrorists still hate neo-cons -- and that's no big surprise there.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:15 pmNotice Tom's inability to articulate his script in the beginning. Once he mentions the word "WAR" he gains traction. I believe that with proper, progressive framing these idealogical rants can be marginalized. Read Lakoff... read him often.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:17 pmJMiller,
Terrorist is to Islamic Fascist what NeoCon is to Christian Fascist
Both of these groups need to be destroyed.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:18 pmIt also takes the heat off the republicans, shifts the news cycles OFF of Ned Lamonts astounding victory over an 18 year incumbent, and drives the news into the direction the President and the right wings wants.
Back to the war on terror.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:18 pmGo back and look at the news cycles for the last 5 years.
EVERYTIME, and I do mean EVERYTIME, there has been a big story portraying the right in a negative light, OR a big win for the democrats, SOMETHING in the war on terror occurs.
Everytime.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:20 pmI would like to thank Ehud Olmert for calling a small time out in the war on Lebanon so that this terror story could gain traction.
-The Mashing Chimp
August 10th, 2006 at 7:20 pmA terrorst bombing.
An Al Quaida leader captured or killed.
An American taken hostage or killed.
A terrorist threat announced or foiled.
:|
Every single time.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:21 pmRemember Abu Ghraib? When it first came out?
Then 2 days later Daniel Pearl gets decapitated.
Problems at Gitmo? We capture Saddam.
Look it up. Do the math.
Every single time.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:23 pmJMiller:
Americablog reports that the Gray House is overjoyed with this supposed attack. Takes the sting off of all their failures of the past 6 years I guess.
Bush was all prepared, at first opportunity to give a speech because, of course, he knew about this well in advance.
Yep, they are dancing, smiling, grinning, happy as hell in the Gray House, you know, the house that Bush re-painted to blend in with his mood.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:23 pmIn fact, its like the Al Quaida is more of a right wing lobbying group.
At least thats how they behave.
Everytime our president or the right wing is in trouble, they, or their buddies do something to take the heat off of the right.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:25 pmCant we all get along?
August 10th, 2006 at 7:37 pmThis all just reminds me more and more of V for Vendetta...using fear to keep power. The Republican way of things since 2001.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:43 pmThink I'm kidding?
Think I'm wrong.?
Just take a look at the next thread.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:43 pm7:28 pm | Comment (4)
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August 10th, 2006 at 7:44 pmPosted by Nico at 7:28 pm
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Aug. 8-9, 2006. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"Thinking ahead to this November's elections, if the congressional election were held today, would you vote for the Democratic candidate in your district or the Republican candidate in your district?" [7/11-7/12 results in parenthesis]
Democrat: 48 (42)
Republican: 30 (34)
Unsure: 22 (25)
I am pretty sure this is the largest lead Democrats have held in a generic ballot poll since at least 1982 (and maybe before then).
At 30 percent, it's clear only the wacko fringes still support the Republican Party.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/10/193529/443
August 10th, 2006 at 7:49 pmThis is the voice of america? no a criminal!
August 10th, 2006 at 7:52 pmLike I said in the other thread. Just let a few more “terrorist plots†get foiled, and maybe even a few Americans killed in some kind of terrorist attack, and watch those numbers change.
Most people are suckers.
Just look at Kyra Phillips and Wolf Blitzer, blathering on about this terrorist plot, forgetting that Ned Lamont just beat Joe Lieberman in a heated head to head Democratic race that illustrates a shift in the tide for the republicans.
They eat it up like cake.
Yellow cake.
August 10th, 2006 at 7:52 pmPolitician:Blah Blah Blah blah bleh blah blah liberal blah blah blah blah conservative blah blah blah blah my penis is bigger than yours blah blah blah blah blah blahb blah blah
August 10th, 2006 at 8:06 pmEvery incumbent is being blackmailed by Israel.
Send them all packing.
August 10th, 2006 at 8:14 pmThis entire terror threat is a scam - totally government orchestrated.
August 10th, 2006 at 8:15 pmummm, hell no. traitors to the constitution need to be dealt with in accord to the LAW.
republicans know there's about to be hell to pay after the Lamont win is predicting the upcomming Nov republican smackdown. They try now to make their war crimes legal retroactively. Just sick, perverted, twisted pukes that should be dragged through the streets of the countries they have commited crimes against.
vote republican and vote for another 911.
August 10th, 2006 at 8:21 pmAmen NYM, except I am afraid that its more like a vote for the democrats is a vote for another 911.
See, I think Tony Snow meant what he was saying. I think it was a vieled threat.
They're kinda like the local mob now.
We pay their "protection money" which is a vote in this case, and we "stay safe".
We don't, and well, they can't be "held responsible" for what happens, if you get my drift (wink wink nod nod)
August 10th, 2006 at 8:25 pmWell, as sarcastic as I could put it, pulled from the headder, its pretty obvious we cant get along, the four or five of you who camp out here are fools, with no reality, no optimism, nothing but hatred. You have nothing better to do than try and think up names, probably makes you think your someone, i guess. Look at the posts, whats constructive, what are you suggesting, NOTHING. NOTHING, NOTHING.
August 10th, 2006 at 8:29 pmThis is the first day of school, my assignment was to look at this site and the daily kos, as my father said ... you people are fools. Good night and ..... you.
Brandi are you talking about the right side or the left?
August 10th, 2006 at 8:33 pmAnd you've added so much, Brandi.
You're a fine girl.
What a good wife you will be.
But my life, my love and my lady,
Is TP.
:P
August 10th, 2006 at 8:35 pmI think Brandi left. It seems she may not like this blog.
Brandi lets her daddy do the thinkin' for her.
August 10th, 2006 at 8:35 pmI just found out that Wolf Blitzer worked for pat Robertson on CBN doing work as a foreign correspondent for CBN.
Yes Pat worked for the fundies.
As for Delay the last person to give advice appears an indicted Republican ex congressman.
August 10th, 2006 at 9:11 pmTerrorism must be fought with intelligence and arms, not arms and a blindfold.
August 10th, 2006 at 9:14 pmyep - nothing but hatred from the fact that republicans have crapped on my constitution, then tried to wipe with my bill of rights.
go let daddy do your thinking for ya
oh yeah, vote republican and vote for another 911!
August 10th, 2006 at 9:17 pm#27...Hi Wayne...Long time, no talk....Now, Wayne, you know I respect you (although we don't often agree), but I gotta tell ya, I think DeLay (and I am NOT a huge DeLay fan) has a point....I mean, Good Grief, I cannot tell you how many times I have seen a post here at TP stating that either 1) the U.S got what we deserved on 9/11; or 2) the U.S. government (or Israel) was secretly behind 9/11....I know YOU don't believe that (nor, I assume, do most other TP posters)...But, my God, I have been shocked to see those opinions expressed so often here. It does give one pause and mae one consider whether Democrats or "liberals" understand the nature of the threat.
August 10th, 2006 at 9:18 pmWould someone please explain why Tom Delay is news?
He resigned, he must run again because he and the GOP are not as smart as they thought they were and, if he loses he is not a factor.
He is, and always was, a nasty little festering sore. Time to excise him forever.
August 10th, 2006 at 9:23 pmjust like republicans - bait and switch.
hmmm, how many topics does it take to lick before you get to the center?
August 10th, 2006 at 9:23 pmThis is a almost convicted disgraced criminal speaking
who very much still has the privledged to be one of
the greatest public servants requiring outmost integrity
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just shows ya how perverse things really are today
A TOTALLY CORRUPTED CRIMINAL WHO OVERSEAS
FUNDS RELATED TO NASA AMONG OTHER BUDGETS
you got to be kidding me... this crook is still in
politics... the only thing he deserves is the privledge
of being totally reformed to clean up his corrupt messes
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it's SO corrupt
August 10th, 2006 at 9:29 pmWho gives a shit what Tom DeLay says? They may sound like words eminating from the lower hole in his face, but it's only the same old vomit.
August 10th, 2006 at 9:46 pmBrandi with an i acts like this was the first time she'd ever been here. Sorry, girl, you can only pop the TP cherry once.
August 10th, 2006 at 9:47 pmThis is true
August 10th, 2006 at 9:51 pmGood Grief, how many times I have seen a post here at TP stating that either 1) the U.S got what we deserved on 9/11; or 2) the U.S. government (or Israel) was secretly behind 9/11….I know YOU don’t believe that (nor, I assume, do most other TP posters)…But, my God, I have been shocked to see those opinions expressed so often here. It does give one pause and mae one consider whether Democrats or “liberals†understand the nature of the threat.
Comment by Exley — August 10, 2006 @ 9:18 pm
1) I guess youve never seen 1) in TP.
August 10th, 2006 at 9:51 pm2) As Ive told you, press your government to release all the evidence about 9/11 so they and you can laugh your asses off due to our lunacy. Until then, there is a lot of suspicacy about it, and you know it. Probably if you start thinking with the brain and not with your inflamed-patriotic-emotional heart of yours, you will see clearer. One thing is to love your country and other, very different, to agree with Bush´s policies. Come on!
Zoo. What are you up to, now? ;P
August 10th, 2006 at 9:57 pmAnd, to those who say that Clinton´s bombs in Kosovo were great and bla, bla, bla...please, read.
What have U.S. and NATO leaders actually done in Yugoslavia? Through the IMF they have imposed repeated wage cuts, devaluations, and massive lay-offs. They supported a "peace process" which has kept that country in a state of war for eight years.(24) They brokered agreements producing massive dislocations of populations and the fragmentation of Yugoslav society.(25) And now with their bombs they are driving people into the arms of a hated politician whom people before the bombing had been trying to overthrow.
Milosevic has been the U.S.-IMF man all along. Bombing Kosovo and Serbia is a last desperate bid by the elite to smash the revolutionary movement and keep Milosevic in power. The targets of the bombs are the solidarity and self-confidence of the working people of every ethnic group. They want to destroy the working class movement and divide Yugoslavs into warring fractions. Their goal is counterrevolution.
The actions of the U.S. and NATO are not signs of strength but weakness. Acting through the Yugoslav elite they tried to control working people with Communist rhetoric, with capitalist rhetoric, with threats, with police clubs, with bullets, with "restructuring," with ethnic atrocities, with civil war, and each time they failed. They rely now on massive military force because they lack sufficient moral or political credibility to achieve their ends by other means. They carry out these actions at great political cost: their actions expose them as utterly without morality.
The world elite are willing to pay this price because they know that much more is at stake than Yugoslavia alone. The last few months have seen neighboring Romania, where workers overthrew a Communist dictator in 1989, shaken by huge strikes and marches on Bucharest by miners and other workers. Neighboring Albania has been virtually without a government since a popular uprising in 1997. Russia, with its historic ties to the Serbs, is in the throes of strikes and complete disillusionment with capitalist reforms. NATO air strikes are no doubt intended to rally the people of these countries to their respective elites and to tell them also, "Keep in line or you’ll get the same."
Source
August 10th, 2006 at 10:01 pmJuan ... for once, agree
August 10th, 2006 at 10:14 pmJust as bad, the psychotic Ann Coulter said "This is Armageddon and all the [Democrats" do is surrender" and Cavuto just looked on approvingly.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:17 pmWhy are these people even on TV?
Well, Juan C, in a strange way, I respect that you are criticizing the Clinton Administration's military campaign against Milosevic in Bosnia/Kosovo. I disagree with you. But, at least, it shows a consistency on your part. For my part, I cannot understand those liberals and/or Democrats who supported the bombing campaign in the Balkans in the 1990s but oppose the liberation of Iraq. And vice versa.
I -- a conservative Republican (which I am sure shocks no one) -- was 100% supportive of Clinton's actions in the Balkans. When the West has has opportunity and ability to stop successfully genocidal horrors, whether it be in the Balkans or in Iraq, it is our moral obligation to do so. I vehemently disagreed with those in my own party in the 1990s who criticized the Clinton/NATO actions in the Balkans. How can one oppose stopping a dictator from murdering innocents when the chances of success are so great?
August 10th, 2006 at 10:24 pmExley, Exley, Exley...I am somewhat amazed by your admission. Why haven;t you joined the rest of the gang at Conservative HQ and jumped ship? Give McCain the pep talk that states he doesn't have to warm up to the Bush folks and take back your party. You know, you remind me of the last few guys on the Titanic, playing a few tunes as the ship sinks.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:33 pmShow Notes for WAR Radio 10-Aug-2006...
Tonight will mostly be dedicated to the events in Great Britain, reaction around the Blogosphere, etc.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:36 pmPlaying politics with terror
Daily Kos takes exactly the wrong viewpoint on the thing — rather than exuberance that we caught the bastards, to ...
Horseman, My "admission"? I don't think there is any one here who has read my postings who is surprised that I am a conservative Republican. I have never attempted to hide that. I am quite proud of it...As for McCain, he is a good Republican and great American who understands the nature of the Islamist threat. In fact, I would say at this point, McCain is my choice for the GOP nod in 2008. McCaiv v. Hillary...It'll be a heck of a race!
August 10th, 2006 at 10:39 pmTerrarists are little more than the imaginary friends of lonely neocons
August 10th, 2006 at 10:43 pmPutting aside that this guy is a liar, spitting his vile demon spit all over the place with his fear of Liberals and care.
Killing people: the eazy way out.
Using your mind: the harder way out.
It's easier to hit a child than to raise it.
Oh sure Delay, going after the one or two guys that planned out and funded 9/11 is a stupid idea!...what are Liberals thinking!...We are so dumb...NOT!
Delay needs to find out what reality is. He's a sick little mammal.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:44 pmBy the way, Horseman, just out of curiousity...Did you support the NATO air campaign in the Balkans in the 1990s?
August 10th, 2006 at 10:44 pmPoint was, most "conservatives" began distancing themselves from this lot some time ago. It became clear that this transcended party politics (making the liberal versus conservative tagline all the more laughable) and that the folks in control had their own agendas.
I like McCain. He's more of a democrat than most democrats, but in the past few months, his overtures to that part of the GOP that still supports dub-ya is troubling. I would agree that he understands the threat quite well, but where he differs with this administration is how to go about actually defending Americans. His reactions at the last senate meeting to generals suggesting he was out of the loop about Iraq if he only relied on his Nam experience is now classic. It represented to me a refreshing approach--someone who wouldn't lie down to standard operating procedural explanations.
But exley, if you are a McCain man...this group cannot possibly make you feel comfortable. And Hillary? Don't know that she is your Dem answer.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:46 pm#128:
Keep it up your on your way to becoming a Psychopath if you keep listening to your father who is Projecting.
Things are going so wonderfully in Iraq aren't they? Nutcase.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:47 pmWhen the West has has opportunity and ability to stop successfully genocidal horrors, whether it be in the Balkans or in Iraq, it is our moral obligation to do so. Comment by Exley — August 10, 2006 @ 10:24 pm
OK. First (and this is critical), who, what give US that moral obligation? You are no better than anybody else. Please, if some divine finger touched Ben Franklin and Tom Jefferson, I would like to know. So far, thats emotional, patriotic, useless BS. Again, you are speaking with your pride. I dont criticize that but it doesnt have a factual value here.
How can one oppose stopping a dictator from murdering innocents when the chances of success are so great?
Comment by Exley — August 10, 2006 @ 10:24 pm
Indeed. I agree. The question you have not answered is that Saddam was a widely known butcherer against kurds and iranians when he was shaking hands with Rumsfeld. Did US give a f**Ck? Of course not, US was happy to sell him weapons. Can you explain me your logic of Saddam good back then, but now bad guy. Please, do, buddy. Milosevic was another butcherer, but he was that long before US and NATO get in there, so why the IMF (you know, the financial toy of US) held him in a very high status. By the way, IMF, held Pinochet in a very high status (of course, he dedicated to privatize all Chilean industries to american companies while slaughtering thousands of chileans opposing him)
See, what troubles me is that double moral standard of the US, that you follow like the best soldier.
I respect that you are criticizing the Clinton Administration’s military campaign against Milosevic in Bosnia/Kosovo.
The thing is my skin is not attached to any party, politician, color or side. Thats dumb. I am attached to ideas.
Quick story (sorry for taking your time):
My father was in the communist party back in Argentina some decades ago (yeah, you would figure out why I think like I do, but dont judge me yet). He had to travel to Chile for a communist meeting. They were waiting for the president of the communist party in the airport and then the guy arrived IN ITS OWN FREAKING PLANE. At present a private jet costs around $100 million. Imagine how much did planes cost back then. You cant imagine my dad´s dissapointment. Communism is about fair distribution of the wealth (controlled by the state, ok, that part I dont like) and this guy has its own jet. There are crooks and murderers in both sides, so it is hard to attach passionately to an ideal expressed by human action. Of course, he left the party, but kept his principles (correct or wrong, whatever, doesnt matter).
I am sure you will be able to see that the best thing that can happen to you and the people you defend is permanent self-criticism seeking better ways to relate with people. Do you agree at some extent?
August 10th, 2006 at 10:49 pmExley, you remind me of a friend who blames everything on Clinton OR is happy to answer a question with a question that reflects on the Clinton administration. Apples and oranges, of course. Air campaigns versus ground incursions generally mean less direct involvement of American troops. Bosnia and Serbia are not quite the hotbed of activity for islamic elements bent on 'death to America'.
I understand the correlation quite well, of course. The comparison is one of convenience. Do we act as world watchdog? Do we have the inherent duty to stop genocide? If so, where were we in Rwanda? How about the Congo?
The economic implications of Bush's actions make the comparison a moot point. The faulty rationales now seem unbelievable in terms of justifcation.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:53 pmDELAY is a Chickenhawk, nuff said.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:54 pmSome people must be so stupid to think we are haters. These same people don't understand there is reason behind being angry with someone, it's such a basic idea, something you should know as a child.
Then they give a lie like "you love the terrorists" It's the sickest behavior. What confused liars, they don't have a clue about the most basic child level IQ sort of stuff. They seem to only see the final outcome, anger, but they don't realise the more advanced emotional behavior that we as smarter people posess. This is how Psychopaths see the world.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:54 pm#156: That's because it's not Communism, it's nearly fascist, Authoritarianism police state like all industrialized countries in the world are, even America. Communism means the end of the class system. These contries call themselves Communist, but it their governments have nothing to do with Communism.
August 10th, 2006 at 10:59 pmSince when are innocent civilians terrorist's?
So If I follow the GOP 'propaganda' anyone that just so happens to live in say, Lebanaon, say a Christian living in a Christian suburb, it's okay to kill them and call it collateral damage?
I don't think so.
This is like saying that it's okay to kill all the Christians in, say Alabama, Home of many Evangelicals, to kill a few terrorists?
Oy, It's Collateral damage!!!
Think About it.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:00 pmI think I should have said: "on the planet"
August 10th, 2006 at 11:02 pm#156: That’s because it’s not Communism, it’s nearly fascist, Authoritarianism police state like all industrialized countries in the world are, even America. Communism means the end of the class system. These contries call themselves Communist, but it their governments have nothing to do with Communism.
Comment by SUSA — August 10, 2006 @ 10:59 pm
Couldnt agree more. I missed to mention that communism has not existed in this world yet. Just a pseudo-farmer, peasant revolution transformed into a totalitarian, bureaucrat, murderer regime.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:03 pmJust a pseudo-farmer, peasant revolution transformed into a totalitarian, bureaucrat, murderer regime. -Juan C
Bolshe means many, and it was called that, but as Juan pointed out it really was just the opposite, a minority imperialism that went on to kill 20 million peasant Christian, and Jewish Farmers.
Power and Greed know not God but Satan
August 10th, 2006 at 11:11 pmExley
August 10th, 2006 at 11:11 pmOne thing I've never understood is why people justify the War in Iraq by pointing to Hussein's genocidal activities when the U.S. did nothing about them at the time. Hussein was contained when Bush decided to invade Iraq and it is very unlikely that he would have been able to repeat the horror he had previously. The instability in the region is a direct result of our actions and should have been predictable. Can and should the U.S. be the world's policeman? This is an issue that has never been truly debated but only inconsistently acted upon, to horrific end in too many cases. If we do have a moral obligation to play that role, we need to debate about the circumstances under which we do so. The War in Iraq is another impulsive American foreign "procedure", not "policy", which can only be the result of the debate I have indicated is needed.
Juan C,
When the West has has opportunity and ability to stop successfully genocidal horrors, whether it be in the Balkans or in Iraq, it is our moral obligation to do so. Comment by Exley — August 10, 2006 @ 10:24 pm
OK. First (and this is critical), who, what give US that moral obligation? You are no better than anybody else.
I didn't say the United States...I said "the West." And, by that, I meant economically and militarily advanced nations. As you recall, the Balkans air campaign was waged by NATO, including the U.S., U.K. and France.
Moreover, your postulation smacks of moral relativism. Are you saying there was nothing morally repugnant to you about Milosevic's ethnic cleansing policy? Should he have been stopped or not?
You also ask: Can you explain me your logic of Saddam good back then, but now bad guy. ...
I answered this (somewhat facetious) question in an earlier thread (August 7) when you asked it. You chose not to respond at that time. I hope you will respond this time. Here is my answer from August 7:
And, Juan C, often nations are faced with allying themselves with unsavory regimes when the more immediate threat comes from another unsavory regime. As you may or may not know (and you seem unaware of this), the U.S., France, and Great Britain were allied with Josef Stalin and the USSR in World War II. Now, I don’t think anyone here would suggest that Stalin’s USSR was anything other than a mass murdering regime. But the immediate threat in the 1940s was Adolph Hitler and Nazi Germany. Thus, the Allies were forced to hold their proverbial noses and work with a monster like Stalin to stop the more immediate threat of Hitler. Once WWII was over and the threat of Nazism destroyed, the U.S. and the West took up a position of hostility and defense against the communist USSR because it now represented the greatest and most immediate threat.
The analogy to the 1980s Iran/Iraq War is clear. Both were repugnant regimes. But the immediate threat was the spread of Iranian-sponsored Islamic fundamentalism throughout the Gulf region and Arab world. Thus, even though the U.S. was fully aware of Saddam’s status as a murderous dictator, it was compelled by the immediacy and magnitude of the Iranian Islamist threat to tilt towards Iraq (as we did with Stalin against Hitler). Once that threat had receded, the U.S. withdrew its tilt towards Saddam and treated him like the threat he was.
As I said, the historical analogy is clear and I am happy to share it with you.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:12 pm#157...Horseman, where am I blaming Clinton for everything? I just said that I supported his participation, indeed, leadership, in the NATO campaign against Milosevic in the Balkans. I simplu asked you if you too suported Clinton at that time.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:15 pmBut the immediate threat was the spread of Iranian-sponsored Islamic fundamentalism throughout the Gulf region and Arab world.
Comment by Exley — August 10, 2006 @ 11:12 pm
Ok, wrong. I am focusing on this. Please, do a google search of all the military interventions that US has taken part. You will find that they are all related to stopping a communist/socialist government (so free-market can keep showing itself as the useless piece of economic crap that brainies from Harvard invented) or defending some american company (Guatemala = United Fruit, Standard Oil, etc.). And, they invent stories so US citizens support it.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:24 pmNaw Exley, i think we need to go all the way back to the beginnings of mankind.
Always there has been one group, ethnic or religious, for power, wealth and control, that has wanted to dominate, or did dominate another. Tyranny gives rise to revolutions and revolutions give rise to monarchies or tyranny.
It is a vicious circle that has gone for thousands of years.
Moderation [As man is both good and evil and ust moderate himself,or balance his equilibrium is the only way to peace.
Moderation is Negotiation.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:28 pmJuan C...Referring to the United Fruit Co. and its supposed sponsorship of intervention in Central America 100 years ago does not address the issue of U.S. policy during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s and current American foreign policy. Stick to the topic at hand, please.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:31 pm#169...Think Progress Spam filter SUCKS (Interesting name)...I'm sorry. To which posting are you referring?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:35 pmHistorical Analogy Exley.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:37 pmStick to the topic at hand, please.
Comment by Exley — August 10, 2006 @ 11:31 pm
The same root of the problem. It is what US needs, all interventions. Hey, I dont have anything against americans. I am against what they been doing to other countries leaving a trail of dead civilians for "humanitarian" reasons. And United fruit/Guatemala is a 60 y/o problem. If you ask to families who lost members due to the repression they will say that it happened yesterday.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:46 pmWe can sit here and argue all week about who was right and who was wrong, and we can blame the socialists, the prophets and the Kings, but it will never change anything until we realize what a horrible dilemma mankind has created for themselves and acknowledges this.
Nothing will change after this war, or the next war or the next war no matter who starts it or wins it.
Man will continue to repeat death and destruction long after I am gone. Thats a terrible and sad comment on mankind, but it is the undeniable truth.
Goodnite folks and please stop the hatred, thanxx.
August 10th, 2006 at 11:48 pmJuan, You haven't addressed any of my points. I'll ask again:
1) Should Milosevic have been stopped in the 1990s?
2) Do you accept that the spread of Islamic fundamentalism in the 1980s justified the rather limited support the U.S gave Iraq at that time (just as U.S. aid to the evil U.S.S.R. in the 1940s was justified by the more immediate need to defeat Hitler)?
August 10th, 2006 at 11:55 pm#156 ...Juan...GREAT STORY....Right out of Orwell's "Animal Farm."
Referring to: "My father was in the communist party back in Argentina some decades ago (yeah, you would figure out why I think like I do, but dont judge me yet). He had to travel to Chile for a communist meeting. They were waiting for the president of the communist party in the airport and then the guy arrived IN ITS OWN FREAKING PLANE. At present a private jet costs around $100 million. Imagine how much did planes cost back then. You cant imagine my dad´s dissapointment. Communism is about fair distribution of the wealth (controlled by the state, ok, that part I dont like) and this guy has its own jet."
August 10th, 2006 at 11:57 pmwhat's delay doing out of jail?
August 11th, 2006 at 12:00 amI think hes on work release.
August 11th, 2006 at 12:09 amHe just won't go away, will he. These Repubicans are puppets. They have no minds of their own. They all say the same things on the same days, like the frigging puppets they are.
Tune out the puppets, they have nothing interesting to say.
August 11th, 2006 at 12:13 amWell Delay departure is being "delayed", but he has about as much of a chance of winning as I do.
And I'm not running.
August 11th, 2006 at 12:15 amSomebody please tape DeLay's festering mouth shut with duct tape, or glue his lips to Ann Coulter's right nipple > lol.
August 11th, 2006 at 12:37 am1) Should Milosevic have been stopped in the 1990s?
2) Do you accept that the spread of Islamic fundamentalism in the 1980s justified the rather limited support the U.S gave Iraq at that time (just as U.S. aid to the evil U.S.S.R. in the 1940s was justified by the more immediate need to defeat Hitler)?
Comment by Exley — August 10, 2006 @ 11:55 pm
Sorry, I was watching Sportscenter.
1) No, he should have been stopped in the 80´s. By THE PEOPLE UNDER HIS RULE!!
August 11th, 2006 at 1:01 am2) Do Islamists have supported campaigns in Canada or Mexico to see stopped the increase in Christianism fundamentalism? Let them solve their own problems, buddy. Just that.
#175: I wanted to weigh in here.
1) Should Milosevic have been stopped in the 1990s?
Yes. I was pleased with the way NATO (and Clinton) handled that situation. Airstrikes were necessary to stop Milosevic. I never feel 100% comfortable with military solutions, but I supported this, in the same way that I supported Bush's invasion of Afghanistan.
2) Do you accept that the spread of Islamic fundamentalism in the 1980s justified the rather limited support the U.S gave Iraq at that time (just as U.S. aid to the evil U.S.S.R. in the 1940s was justified by the more immediate need to defeat Hitler)?
No. Your comparison is not valid. Iran never posed the same sort of threat that Nazi Germany did. And we never should have given Saddam Hussein weapons of mass destruction. Reagan chose short-term expediency over long-term wisdom.
August 11th, 2006 at 1:31 amEd:
1) We agree.
2) While I agree with you that Iran didn't pose the same type of threat that Nazi Germany did, I think you would agree that it did pose a threat of spreading radical Islamic fundamentalism throughout the region. Moreover, we did not give WMDs to Iraq. Our military assistance to Iraq in the 1980s was limited pretty much to satellite intelligence on the location of Iranian military positions and some very minor conventional weapons.
August 11th, 2006 at 2:22 amWhy aren't these scumballs scolding the people in their own party, a lot of them are now stating that Iraq is a total failure, anyone not seeing these statements as anything short of partisan politics is a knucklehead. Does anyone notice the timing of the new terrorist attacks co inciding w/ the repukes party line that liberals ARE IN FAVOR OF TERRORISM. MI5
August 11th, 2006 at 2:37 amWhy aren't these scumballs scolding the people in their own party, a lot of them are now stating that Iraq is a total failure, anyone not seeing these statements as anything short of partisan politics is a knucklehead. Does anyone notice the timing of the new terrorist attacks co inciding w/ the repukes party line that liberals ARE IN FAVOR OF TERRORISM. MI5 had known about this for months, only two days after the election and defeat of their asshole buddy joe l. The U.S. picked up some chatter and TOLD GB that it was time to make arrest. There is always some coincidence w/ terrorism when the repukes take a hit. The sad thing is that most of the idiots that fall for this nonsense cannot put 2& 2 together and come up with four. Anybody want to be a pundit? all you need do is sell your soul and lie your ass off, as long as you spew enough hate and lies you will be a success. What a country.
August 11th, 2006 at 2:46 amLet's look up the FOX DISGRACE LIST
August 11th, 2006 at 3:00 amTom Delay........disgraced politician
Dick Morris........ditto
Ollie North..........disgraced soldier
Grealdo Rivera.......disgraced newsman
Mark Furman ( an H&C guest) disgraced policeman
Dick Cheney.......disgraced v.p.
Rummy.............disgraced def. sec.
Geo Bush............disgraced president
Ann coulture........disgrace to the human race
not to mention the disgraceful lying, partisan, unconscienable hacks that work there, and you have one disgraceful network
- Chris Floyd
August 11th, 2006 at 4:54 amHOW STUPID DO THEY THINK WE ARE? America give England orders to arrest a bunch of alleged plotters. They stated that they arrested everybody and broke the plot, but why did they got on RED ALERT? I think they - the US leaders - needed to take the heat off the wars, and the Lamont victory. It smells to me like a great big hoax.
England will do anything the US wants. That is proven by, for example, the way the US got England to "remove" all the residents from Diego Garcia and surrounding islands so the US could build an enormous base. And even after Britain's highest court ruled that the Islanders could return, a word from Washington and the Prime Minister claimed special circumstances and blocks these people from their homes.
We do not have democracy now, and haven't for quite some time. I hope I live long enough to see the tides change. I would love to be recognized as a true, constitutional American, and be respected again by the rest of the world.
August 11th, 2006 at 5:07 amphillyfan - you forgot about Dennis Miller.... failed comedian
August 11th, 2006 at 5:41 amClinton should have started the war on terror? Even if that were true, then Bush is to blame for not starting it the day he was inaugurated, instead of ignoring Clinton's advice, Clarke's advice, those annoying memos on his desk like "Bin Ladin Determined To Attack Within U.S"...
And as for overwhelming force defeating the insurgency, it's been three years since Saddam Hussein was in charge. How's that overwhelming force workin' out for ya?
August 11th, 2006 at 6:00 amSo, 'Ms.Cleo' here, pretends to know how "Liberals" think? I don't see how that would be possible. A 'Rabid Rightie', such as he, is incapable of even beginning to comprehend anything outside of his own narrow, yet fantastically warped, mind. Combine that with the humiliating rejection, compliments of Justice Scalia, that he got, and you have Tommy Boy, burning to 'Hammer' the hell outta somthing, tomake himself feel better. So he's going to speak for Liberals, because he is an expert. I think somebody needs a nap.
August 11th, 2006 at 8:23 am#184
August 11th, 2006 at 8:30 amThe US gave specimens of botulism and anthrax in 1986. I don't know if they are technically WMDs. Before that, the CIA trained the Iraqis in the use of mustard gas (don't think they supplied it, though)
The war on terror began with Reagan bombing Qaddafi's house in the 1980's. It likely ended when Bush I decided to stop short of invading Baghdad during Desert Storm. It wasn't so much that Bush aided and abetted terrorists by not going in. Instead, it gave his son the impetus to one day go in and finish what daddy had the sense not to.
My feeling is that terrorists should be wiped out...of course.
But my feeling is that our government uses the "terrorist" term toward their own end, that this administration was looking for the trigger mechanism to get involved in Iraq (see Paul O'Neill) and that thanks to what Bush has done in the middle east, we will suffer with terrorism for years to come. How can any individual who lives in the middle east not have a fair amount of hatred for the U.S.?
Thanks George, thanks Dick. Your legacy of blood for oil and blood for pride will reap dividends for generations to come.
August 11th, 2006 at 8:30 amIn the last few months, conservatives have mostly given up arguing liberal points. At this point, conservatives aren't arguing against liberal points, they're arguing against their OWN arguments, which they pretend come from liberals.
The ONLY thing many (heck, maybe most) conservatives know about liberals is what they've been told by other conservatives. Liberal thought processes, liberal views of the past and present, and liberal views of the future. If you want to know what a liberal thinks, ask a conservative because, hey, who understands the liberal mind better.
August 11th, 2006 at 8:37 amamerica is a great place....only a criminal like DeLay devoid of shame has the balls to repeatedly show his ugly face in public
August 11th, 2006 at 8:56 amFox newz and Tom DeLay . . . . they're made for one another.
August 11th, 2006 at 9:31 amIsn't Tom Delay supposed to be fading into obscurity by now? Shouldn't he like, be in jail?
August 11th, 2006 at 10:08 amWhere is Tom's rifle and fatigues anyway? When is he going to show his commitment to the War of Error
August 11th, 2006 at 10:09 amHow much credibility can you have as a news program, when at the same time your two guests are Tom DeLay and Ann Coulter?
How can you even believe anything they say in that circle of fear mongering GOPers?
August 11th, 2006 at 10:27 amAfter reading the left's outrage over the rights "Percieved morale authority to protect the world, I have to postulate: If any of you lefties saw a mugger beating the crap out of a little old lady across the street, would you have a discussion group to: 1) Decide if the repressed mugger had earned the right to beat the crap out of the old lady, 2) Decide if the lady should have to defend herself without outside interference, or 3) Decide if its the rightwing's failed economic agenda that is causing the mugger to beat the lady. Would ANY of you cross the street to stop the mugger, even if it meant killing him? I think not.
August 11th, 2006 at 10:37 amThis fool isn't interested in keeping the country safer. He and his cronies are interested in keeping the keys to the country's treasury. I would like to know why this crook still gets political coverage? Is he running for office? Does he have an official role in anything other than his legal defence?
August 11th, 2006 at 10:40 amHe should be in jail, not on TV.
Dude Brian, go join the army. the 101st fightin' keyboarders is overstaffed.
August 11th, 2006 at 10:42 amIt's 'Hate us for our freedom' Friday!...
If it's Friday, there must be terrorists plotting to bomb our freedoms!This time, the British have learned that Saddam Hussein has sought large quantities of uranium from Afri... oh, sorry, wrong talking points. WE'RE AT WAR AND THE TERRORISTS ARE CO...
August 11th, 2006 at 10:44 am#195:"In the last few months, conservatives have mostly given up arguing liberal points. At this point, conservatives aren’t arguing against liberal points, they’re arguing against their OWN arguments, which they pretend come from liberals."
Your right. They have created imaginary Liberals and a position for this imaginary group that only exist in their mind. Like saying "Liberals love terrorists".
August 11th, 2006 at 11:28 amBrian thats rediculus.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:46 amTom who? What does this political washout have to do with anything anymore? His opinion about this subject is just as valid now as Dennis Miller. With a history of lying and blaming everyone else but himself for his problems, who cares? Darth Cheney can also say his absurd nonsense, but nobody listens to him either.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:54 amExley,
Maybe the time to sit around and intellectualize about the middle east is over, can we discuss some of the fundamentals, like is it effective on the overall war on terror to be fighting in Iraq?
August 11th, 2006 at 11:55 amIs there no way we can finally get rid of this dirtbag! As soon as he becomes someones bitch in prison the better off we will be. Why any braindead Republican would listen to him is beyond me!
August 11th, 2006 at 1:28 pmWOW, have we figured it all out yet. Think I tend to lean toward Juan C., I repeat lean. I feel I do not agree with who this administration decides are terrorists. They hate us for our freedom? If we have any freedoms were it seems to become less by the day. I would tend to feel that if there is hate from the Arab people, is that it tend to be based on DEFENSIVE resentment at the WEST (FR., ENG., U.S.,) thinking we have the balls (swinging free), to think we, (now and in the past OCCUPATIONS) have the free right to decide their well being. Also while proping up Westfreindly regimes that are definately contrary to what the west declares to be in themselfs. So although the spin gets to work at twisting this at home against its own. I thnk it is true all politics are socio economic. The man what comes out of his mouth and his friends that these posts are suppose to be about represents the dynamics of how this all works, they are dispicable, if any one should be lined up and s$$*. Use him and his close buds as ex. of how to pit one group against another. This started in manys eyes as assault on 2 towers by extremest that say they hate us in part for holding hands kissing arse as Tony B. loves todo with our leader--s. The regimes they were refering to still sit, maybe uneasy, as they do as Isreal has done stocking up on military weapons. While our DWA talking guy helps our elite in working there way as fast as possible without the masses becoming to enlightened. After allthey need the little guy to do the bloody work. So they demonize and define terrorists as in the ME who is more than likely to stand inthe way for control. Even though we sold them weapons, to control. As is stated in PGNAC before 9/11, first written and published by Wolfowitz during the Regan administration, he rewrote later but supposed same basic message. Until further tech development who ever contols oil reserves the largest naturalgas and oil ready to go are in Iran. The current and now newest conflict really bringsthis to a better light. Either party even with the upcoming Nov. cut and run, realy? Can't be serious can they. Both partys have their pockets lined with gold. The companys adn their special interest what do you think they want, topple, go broke, loose the #1 status. Has to be a permanent cease fire, may look liek, maybe can. If they do ? if they don't, ? Hitler, Kosovo, Stallin, DELAY back to the man, what is with the Delay. It must come to a dead stop, it is the only way. No one wants to be the od man out here, no one dare be on the bad side of the victor, Delay won't be. Hanging on a thread some how just dose not say it for me. Justify steping in with Stalin to end Hitler. Juan was it? Ops you said no, it was up to the people. Who would dare step in now ? So Guatimala I think was stil in line. as a small example as a comparison in the same ideals, that people who believe in those ideals have a responsibilty to hold their gov. accountable to maintain and represent for thepeople not the elite. , they know their owndemons, we go in adn give emanother. For the people always tends to get lost under all the rubbish. Sorry hope I stayed on. Juans thoughts just took me to what I think will be the only answer to this current ME crisis. Only the people canstop this. Iran needs neuclear power to defend its standard of living and its oil. If we stop this current conflict now some one else will try. Isreal and neighbors need to stop. If George wants to help Isreal, he can give them his ranch and a bit more in Texas. If they get ot of line Cindys ther to keep em inline. Some say they should be their own country anyway.
August 11th, 2006 at 3:40 pmAlso in response to the Rights moral authority. And crossing the street to help a victimized old person? Cant answer for other leftys, but I would. There are plenty of leftys that serve in the military why do you think you have sole ownership to morals and heroism. You think our current leader would take on a robber or thief, guess he might from a fighter plane, hee hee hee. I know they say exteme right , moral majority. Extreme was correct. Delay, definately moral ? and his work shops in the islands that produce clothing stamped Made in America by people basically held hostage in an American territory. He gave a speech there on a vacation tellng those poor trapped people they were a prime example of how a growing democracy can work, back alley abortions and all. Corparation slavery supported by this man. Probably plenty of leftys not innocent on that situation. This country needs a good competeing 3rd political party to keep a stonger dialog going and to spread more of that special interest money around. May you all be blessed, not touched, and protected from the politicians. What was it they said Jesus did when he first went about his fathers business. If Armagedon is coming soon, watch out Delay, Reed,Doberman Dobeson, kicked out of politics would be the least of your worries. If you believe in Armagedon? If Jesus repeats his own history and starts out the same. I do believe George and Delay were born aga ga about the same time period. By the way has any one herd mention of Karen Hughes lately, with these new current events hope shes able to keep her head about her. Probably time to resign so she can spend more time with family anyway. Otherwise she may have to wrap a towel around her head or over it and try to blend or become on of the next hostages. What do you think George Jesus would do? It would be hard, realy hard, I know, giving up a friend is'nt easy, I know. Oh, by the way was it right to go into Iraq,sure was. Sadam with all those wifes, had to stop that, what next gays will be getting married, gotta protect the sactity of marrige as between a man and a woman; not many women and on top of it all forjust a privilaged few. It was about more than just a BJ. Clinton was just the beginning, look what it has led to take a village- an Army!
August 11th, 2006 at 5:25 pmI'm don't want to fall asleep tonight because I might dream of freedom. Since the Islamofascits hate freedom so much, I'm afraid they may kill me in my sleep!
August 12th, 2006 at 1:43 amTERROR FEAR TERROR FEAR TERROR FEAR TERROR FEAR TERROR FEAR
August 12th, 2006 at 5:59 amTHE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR!
August 12th, 2006 at 9:16 amOnly FOX NEWS would feature the disgraced Tom DeLay as credible on any subject.
August 12th, 2006 at 10:31 amCongratulations to the insurgents another milestone acheived , once again well done. 2,600 members of the U.S. military have died actually 2601 , welldone keep up the good work
August 12th, 2006 at 11:07 amHell, I'd be happy if you lefties actually quoted facts once in while in your arguments instead of spewing all the conspiracy crap. These guys have hated us LOOOOOONG before George came along, and will continue to attack as long as they think they can win. And they don't care if they kill republicans or democrats, so don't think your safer if George is gone. 9/11 was the seventh attach by OBL on the US, not the first, and the second attack on New York, not the first. And the FIRST SIX were while Clinton was focusing on his crank instead of overseas.
Forget the 101st. I'm already retired from 27 years of service including 2 years in Saudi, 1 year in Bahrain, 2 years in India, 3 years in Asia, and 7 years in Europe. I still find it amazing how clueless people in the most powerful country in the world are.
August 12th, 2006 at 6:29 pmFor the last several days, I keep hearing that the planned terrorist attacks were the "REAL DEAL". Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But, I guess it seems to show that the other big news plots given weeks of press (Canada, Lodi, etc.) weren't the real deal. This just shows that the Repugnants will do anything for political advantage. If it matters to anyone, I'm a vietnam Vet. I personally, have had to deal with close to a year living in the jungle hunting for Viet Cong. We were wrong then, and we are wrong now. I'm patriotic, yet I was embarrased to serve under a bad administration back then, as I am now embarrased to be a citizen of a country with so much blood on it's hands. Time to right a wrong. Nov. 2006 might be our last chance.
August 12th, 2006 at 9:54 pm#201.
So we are wimps...is that your baseless, unfounded insult, twit? Well I think your a poo-poo head....I can act like grade schooler too, look at me. That was a joke. We are not children so don't talk to us like we are in the same league.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:10 amWimps, yes. Misguided, yes. Dellusional yes. Drinking your own bath water, for sure.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:09 amI have seen NO PROOF from any leftie that all of OBLs atttacks have been faked, that 9/11 was faked, that Canada, Lodi, UK, Bali, and Spain were faked. That Bush has been rounding up hundreds, no dozens, no at least 2-3 completely innocent Americans and throwing them in jail. PLEASE NAME all the Americans rotting in our jails because of Bush's agenda! Either Bush has 100,000 right wing consipirator's working for local, state, federal, and foreign governments, without a SINGLE whistle blower around to show us how its all been faked, or maybe, just maybe, there actually are hard-core islamic nut cases who want women to wear burkas and sit in the back seat of the car, run governments according to Mulslim law, kill everyone who disagrees with them (Especially gays, abortionists, and upity females), and will gladly die for their beliefs.
November Predictions:
Another Al Qaeda Attack
Another Bin Laden Video
Another Rigged Election
Another Republican Sponsored Supreme Court Decision
August 14th, 2006 at 3:36 am[...] DeLay described the liberal world view as “Can’t we all get along?” and said that liberals’ reaction to a terrorist attack is, “You can’t go after these wonderful people that just killed a bunch of Americans.” [...]
August 18th, 2006 at 6:28 amTerrorists look forward to the day they can self destruct taking our military men and women like myself with them. When will you people learn there is no talking to these terrorists, there is no backing away and this war will never end. God forbid if the media can continue this march of deception aimed on dividing the American people even more than we are, we will all see huge destruction on our soil. Is this really what it is going to take for you people too understand the war we are in?
February 16th, 2007 at 7:19 pm