U.S. lags behind world in evolution acceptance.
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U.S. lags behind world in evolution acceptance.
“A comparison of peoples’ views in 34 countries finds that the United States ranks near the bottom when it comes to public acceptance of evolution. Only Turkey ranked lower.” One major factor: politics. “Major political parties in the United States are more willing to make opposition to evolution a prominent part of their campaigns to garner conservative votes—something that does not happen in Europe or Japan.”
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If there is no evolution, just creation, then explain the human appendix…
Only evolution can logically explain the human appendix and other non-intelligent aspects of biology. And unlike an invisible idol, evolution is completely visible in every aspect of our universe.
To reject evolution is to reject reality.
August 11th, 2006 at 9:06 pmGot God? You’re a moron.
August 11th, 2006 at 9:07 pmWe ranked 15th in math abilities, 10th in language arts and 7th overall educated. It’s the proponents of “Intelligent” Design that are ensuring our demise as a world leader, as knowledge is the ultimate power.
August 11th, 2006 at 9:07 pm#1…explian the human apendix? WTF?
August 11th, 2006 at 9:17 pm‘Splain the human opposable thumb, dude?
#1 – Thanks for not mentioning male nipples. :)
This could be a fun thread!
August 11th, 2006 at 9:19 pmReligion & politics = the dumbing down of America
August 11th, 2006 at 9:21 pmOnly evolution can logically explain the human appendix and other non-intelligent aspects of biology. – - For example, Bushes.
August 11th, 2006 at 9:23 pmHey, I know people who think 5 card poker on ESPM. is sportz.
August 11th, 2006 at 9:32 pmGolfers suffer “injury”
Believe what u wanna…reality b damned!
only evolution could give us this !
some amusement here… this is really unique and fun:
OK Go – Here It Goes Again
August 11th, 2006 at 9:32 pmhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=pv5zWaTEVkI
katy,
Why do you tease with the video? Describe it, please!
August 11th, 2006 at 9:37 pmso sorry to tease! my daughter showed it to me the other day…
August 11th, 2006 at 9:46 pma new music group – reminds me of 60s British look…
the 4 guys perform this amazing choreographed “dance” on treadmills… i cannot do it justice! it’s a real kick though… just gotta see it!
To understand and to believe in evolution, all one need do is to look at Republicans vs. Democrats. Republicans (generally) are lower on the evolutionary scale since they believe in, advocate, and strive for hate and violence, which are much easier, lower level objectives. Democrats (mostly the liberal, progressive wing) believe in, advocate and strive for peaceful coexistence, which are higher level and much more difficult objectives to attain.
August 11th, 2006 at 9:47 pmTo every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. As the world moves foreward in science and understanding, the United States serves as its equal and opposite reaction, moving backwards in direct proportion. Bluntly then, the people of the United States are de-evolving. How else could we elect a C-Average student to run the most powerful country in the world?
August 11th, 2006 at 9:53 pmthe 4 guys perform this amazing choreographed “dance†on treadmills… i cannot do it justice! it’s a real kick though… just gotta see it!
Comment by katy
I saw that on Keith Olbermann! It really is amazing. They’re braver than I’ve ever been.
August 11th, 2006 at 9:53 pmWet willy~
August 11th, 2006 at 9:54 pmI’m a trained scientist…and, you are correct sir!
How else could we elect a C-Average student to run the most powerful country in the world?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Ugh, don’t remind me. It’s Friday.
August 11th, 2006 at 9:55 pmbut, “we” didn’t…
August 11th, 2006 at 9:58 pmI know…
August 11th, 2006 at 10:01 pmbut then, I was breast fed (after we evolved tits)
i’m tired uv askin’ aLL THE Q’s
August 11th, 2006 at 10:04 pmBut, how would one ’splain the scotum?
I’m waiting…
August 11th, 2006 at 10:07 pmmy biological evolvultionary clock is phuggin’ tickin’-
Ain’t got all night
But, how would one ’splain the scotum?
Comment by beavercleaver
If you mean the “scrotum,” I’m not really sure, but I think it’s a cute little purse in which to carry around your balls, while you’re keeping them slightly lower than body temperature, for optimal sperm production. Cuz if you’re balls are body temperature, you ain’t gonna have any good swimmers. K?
August 11th, 2006 at 10:12 pmleave it to you, zoo … that was good… :-)
August 11th, 2006 at 10:18 pmThe right believes in killing all who disagree with them. If they had their way, first, they would kill everyone in the world except Americans. Then they would kill the liberals. Then they would kill all remaining Democrats. Then they would kill all remaining “evil” people. Then the survivors would kill all those remaining that they perceive to be “evil”. Then the survivors would kill all those they perceive to be “evil”. Eventually there would only be two persons left in the world and so the “good” one would have to kill the “evil” one. Then the one remaining person would eventually realize that he/she is “evil” and so he/she would kill himself/herself. End of human race. That is what would happen if the right had their way. End of story.
August 11th, 2006 at 10:19 pmi asked this on this morning’s thinkfast… still looking for ideas:
any/all – i’m going to see OBAMA at a town hall meeting on tuesday – help me come up with a good question in case i get the chance/nerve…
August 11th, 2006 at 10:23 pmthanks!
Willy,
It’s their “better” world. *shudder*
August 11th, 2006 at 10:29 pmI recommend a white chianti with this shit:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3308.htm
August 11th, 2006 at 10:30 pm27 –
I would ask Obama “Corporate interests control the media, and control the government: What do you believe can be done to take power away from the ruling class and return it to the people?”
August 11th, 2006 at 10:31 pmI recommend a white chianti with this shit
I think red wine is nicer with shit, but that’s just me…
August 11th, 2006 at 10:33 pmMe coming from the monkey? Ha!
August 11th, 2006 at 10:35 pmAnd the Earth is round, yeah.
chianti is red wine, sometimes served with fava beans….
August 11th, 2006 at 10:37 pmAnd the liver of an enemy?
August 11th, 2006 at 10:38 pmbut I think it’s a cute little purse in which to carry around your balls, while you’re keeping them slightly lower than body temperature, for optimal sperm production. Cuz if you’re balls are body temperature, you ain’t gonna have any good swimmers. K?
Comment by Zooey — August 11, 2006 @ 10:12 pm
Priceless. :D
August 11th, 2006 at 10:39 pm#11, Katy, I saw that video, too and thoroughy enjoyed it. Definitely a throw back to the sixties. Although the lawyers of the 80s, 90s, and 00s are having an aortic episode over it.
August 11th, 2006 at 10:40 pm24 – an’ that’s why th’ Scots wear th’ kilt!
;-)
August 11th, 2006 at 10:41 pman’ that’s why th’ Scots wear th’ kilt!
;-)
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Don’t get me started on that…ok, get me started. :)
August 11th, 2006 at 10:43 pmThis thread confirms evolution because, if for every action their is an equal and opposite reaction, this thread has devolved.
August 11th, 2006 at 10:47 pmNever mind the scrotum. Never mind the kilt. Explain the sporn.
August 11th, 2006 at 10:48 pmFor us, thermal engineers, the following is to die for:
Christian Right Lobbies To Overturn Second Law Of Thermodynamics
TOPEKA, KS–The second law of thermodynamics, a fundamental scientific principle stating that entropy increases over time as organized forms decay into greater states of randomness, has come under fire from conservative Christian groups, who are demanding that the law be repealed.
“What do these scientists want us teaching our children? That the universe will continue to expand until it reaches eventual heat death?” asked Christian Coalition president Ralph Reed, speaking at a rally protesting a recent Kansas Board Of Education decision upholding the law. “That’s hardly an optimistic view of a world the Lord created for mankind. The American people are sending a strong message here: We don’t like the implications of this law, and we will not rest until it has been reversed in the courts.”
The controversial law of nature, which asserts that matter continually breaks down as disorder increases and heat is lost, has long been decried by Christian fundamentalists as running counter to their religion’s doctrine of Divine grace and eternal salvation.
“Why can’t disorder decrease over time instead of everything decaying?” asked Jim Muldoon of Emporia, KS. “Is that too much to ask? (ha ha ha!) This is our children’s future we’re talking about.”
“I wouldn’t want my child growing up in a world headed for total heat death and dissolution into a vacuum,” said Kansas state senator Will Blanchard (R-Hutchinson). “No decent parent would want that.”
Calling the second law of thermodynamics “a deeply disturbing scientific principle that threatens our children’s understanding of God’s universe as a benevolent and loving place,” Blanchard is spearheading a nationwide grassroots campaign to have the law removed from high-school physics textbooks. The plan has already met with significant support in the state legislatures of Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Georgia, and Mississippi.
August 11th, 2006 at 10:50 pmExplain the sporn.
Comment by tablogloid
Um…I’m probably going to regret this…but, what is sporn?
August 11th, 2006 at 10:50 pmbut, what is sporn?
Comment by Zooey — August 11, 2006 @ 10:50 pm
Unlike freeman, I like when you hijack the thread. ;)
August 11th, 2006 at 10:54 pmIn the beginning Man created God because Man, with his superior brain power, could not otherwise justify his superiority over other forms of life. If there was a God. meeting the specifications imposed by Man, then Man had an excuse for his inability to control the universe as the superior, as opposed to supreme, being. The only problem with that approach was that Man, collectively, couldn’t agree which God was the true God. So from the first man and his first God we have evolved, OH MY GOD what a blasphemy, into a group of societies with a system of diverse Gods, any one better than the others. No wonder we can’t agree on the more mundane things as to who hit who first. God knows but to which God do you have reference. To know God is to be God. If I knew the true God I would just agree with everything he/she/it did and you couldn’t tell the difference. We all have the questions about if evolution then (?) and if not evolution then (?). I don’t really care. I am not an atheist, for to believe there is not a God is no different from believing there is one. I am an agnostic until someone proves me wrong. When that happens I will be the best Christian, Jew, Catholic, Mormon, Muslim, Buddhist, Mumbo Jumboist believer in the world. Immediately after I win the Megabucks Lottery and the devil didn’t make me choose the numbers..
August 11th, 2006 at 10:55 pmI don’t believe that the Bible-writers ever thought anyone would be so stupid as to take their stories literally.
August 11th, 2006 at 10:56 pm#43: The sporn? You know, that brush thingy that hangs down the front of the kilt.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:00 pmUnlike freeman, I like when you hijack the thread. ;)
Comment by Juan C
Good evening, Juan. Hijacking the threads has become a very bad habit of mine, I’m trying to cut back. :)
How was your day?
August 11th, 2006 at 11:02 pmClyde,
If you think of it, we are all still quite tribal. One group distrusts another for any reason, (religion, color, social structure, etc.,) We all think we have climbed to the top, but simply looking at the daily news shows us how far we have to go.
Also, I know I’ve already posted this, but perhaps Clyde has not seen it…
I have a button (I collect them) that reads:
MILITANT AGNOSTIC
I don’t know
and you don’t either!
Zoo,
August 11th, 2006 at 11:05 pmYou think that purse is “cute”?
So I guess you like sharpei’s! ;)
How was your day?
Comment by Zooey — August 11, 2006 @ 11:02 pm
Busy and I was snoring at 12:00, but besides that, bad. :)
August 11th, 2006 at 11:05 pmHow are courts on fridays? Do you go out with Mr. Zoo or Zoo kids at night?
You know, that brush thingy that hangs down the front of the kilt.
Comment by tablogloid
Ok.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:06 pmSo I guess you like sharpei’s! ;)
Comment by trueblue
I didn’t know men could carry around their balls in sharpeis.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:07 pmHi, true. Just wanna say sorry.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:07 pmNo, Zooey,
August 11th, 2006 at 11:08 pmThe dog….I must have spelled it incorrectly….
Juan,
I think our language barrier sometimes works against you…
You have absolutely nothing to feel badly about!
I love talking to you!
No problems, whatsoever.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:10 pm:)
The level of inanity in the arguments of the anti-science crowd is fullly revealed when you apply their logic to other scientific theories.
This is a funny story from The Onion:
Proponents of Intelligent Falling assert that the different theories used by secular physicists to explain gravity are not internally consistent. Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein’s ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum mechanics. This fact, Intelligent Falling proponents say, proves that gravity is a theory in crisis.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:10 pm“Let’s take a look at the evidence,” said ECFR senior fellow Gregory Lunsden.”In Matthew 15:14, Jesus says, ‘And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.’ He says nothing about some gravity making them fall—just that they will fall. Then, in Job 5:7, we read, ‘But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.’ If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety? This clearly indicates that a conscious intelligence governs all falling.”
Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New ‘Intelligent Falling’ Theory
I love that story, Gregor!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:12 pmIf I remember it correctly, it shows a pic of “God’s hand” flicking something down, (like off a cliff) right?
It’s brilliant!
I am not an atheist, for to believe there is not a God is no different from believing there is one. I am an agnostic until someone proves me wrong.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper — August 11, 2006 @ 10:55 pm
No. I think I am an atheist. They say (who? Im beginnig to sound like CNN) that when reporters asked Yuri Gagarin (you know, the first man in space) if he believed in God. He said: I was upthere and didnt see anybody. Ha!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:12 pmHow are courts on fridays?
The court was quiet today. No judges today, so everyone has to hold their little problems until Monday — except those paying fines, of course.
Do you go out with Mr. Zoo or Zoo kids at night?
Comment by Juan C
You’re funny, Juan. There hasn’t been a Mr Zoo for over 13 years. I’d say I dropped him down a mine shaft, but I’d probably get deleted again. Zoo Jr is 18, and he’s got his own thing going on — even though he’d really rather spend time with me. :) I go out with friends sometimes, but I’m basically very quiet and shy. :P
August 11th, 2006 at 11:12 pmHi True!
I agree 100% except I am not militant about it. I really don’t care because I have enough confidence in myself that I don’t need to rely on any body’s OPINION. Prove it Baby, and you got all of me!
Granny says Virginia will win! (I don’t think she communicates with the true God either.)
August 11th, 2006 at 11:13 pmNo problems, whatsoever.
:)
Comment by trueblue
Juan, I told you so.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:13 pmJuan,
I think our language barrier sometimes works against you…
Comment by trueblue — August 11, 2006 @ 11:10 pm
Ouch…and yes.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:15 pmbut I’m basically very quiet and shy. :P
Comment by Zooey —
BBWWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
woo! That was a good one, zooey!
I gotta go catch my breath!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:15 pmThe dog….I must have spelled it incorrectly….
Comment by trueblue
I know, I was picturing a wrinkly dog carrying a little barrel of balls around it’s neck. Quite entertaining…
August 11th, 2006 at 11:15 pmHi TrueBlue,
Yes, both the “Intelligent Falling Theory” and the “Second Law of Thermodynamics” stories are absolutely brilliant.
I love satire. I like The Onion for theirs.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:16 pmThe Onion is fantastic. (I hope I don’t get deleted for this.) My favorite story is one entitled, “Why do all These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My C*ck?”
It’s the best — ever.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:19 pmJuan,
August 11th, 2006 at 11:19 pmI mean it works against you in that you don’t know the colloquialisms (did I spell that one right?) that make up our language, and then you feel badly when you shouldn’t.
That’s what I mean by that. That’s all. You are quite articulate, and I am impressed by your posts.
I go out with friends sometimes, but I’m basically very quiet and shy. :P
Comment by Zooey — August 11, 2006 @ 11:12 pm
Ha ha. Yeah, Zoo. Now, the truth… :)
August 11th, 2006 at 11:20 pmGood. I guess Im pretty boring. (I was going to add, “too”, ha ha ha!)
That’s what I mean by that. That’s all. You are quite articulate, and I am impressed by your posts.
Comment by trueblue — August 11, 2006 @ 11:19 pm
You know what? some friends have told me Im a little too blunt (and in spanish, of course). What I would love is that you understand it was just an opinion based in almost nothing. And, thanks a lot for explaining in detail what you were trying to say. Really sweet of you.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:23 pmMaybe the ‘rest of the world’ took a vote on it. I mean just LOOK at BushCo. But they couldn’t be referred to as being created by an “Intelligent Designer” either. That is just SO wrong. It was the advent of the “Industrial Age” that allowed these freaks to survive. It was now possible for the evolutionary ‘dregs’ to survive, when previously their ‘make and model’ would have been discontinued, due to ‘design flaws’. The superior ‘makes and models’ would just keep getting better and better. But now we get ‘Edsel’s”, “Pacers”, and Pinto’s” as well. The price of progress. But let’s check back in a couple of thousand years, and see how we’re coming along.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:24 pmWhats the Onion?
August 11th, 2006 at 11:25 pmI guess Im pretty boring. (I was going to add, “tooâ€, ha ha ha!)
Comment by Juan C
*yawn* What?
August 11th, 2006 at 11:25 pmIt is truly sad that ‘The Most Powerful Nation’ thinks, in the words of Robin Williams,
“Let there be light,… is that a metaphor for the big bang?.. And they’re (the evangelicals) are like:’No. God just went CLICK!’ (motion turning on a light switch)
Anyone else remember Devo from the early 80’s?
August 11th, 2006 at 11:26 pmWhats the Onion?
Comment by Juan C
It’s a wildly funny parody news site. Check it out!
theonion.com
August 11th, 2006 at 11:28 pmhttp://www.theonion.com/content/index
It’s a satirical website, a parody of the news.
It’s very funny.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:29 pmHaving been in the scientific field, I really don’t understand the standpoint against evolution.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:31 pmHow much evidence needs to be found? How many times before they accept truth?
I really do not get it.
How much evidence needs to be found? How many times before they accept truth?
I really do not get it.
Comment by trueblue
Jeebus himself would have to appear, with his blond hair and blue eyes, and tell them in no uncertain terms that evolution is the way to believe. Then 67% would believe, and 33% would hang him on live TV.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:35 pm#55
If you have ever tried pouring styrofoam “peanuts” from a 16 pound (5 foot) bag into an 18″ cubical box under an air conditioner outlet and ceiling fan you, too, would question the law of gravity. Some times shit do fall up!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:37 pm#40- The actual name is ‘Sporran”. Basically it is a purse. Kilts don’t have pockets. :)
August 11th, 2006 at 11:37 pmThen 67% would believe, and 33% would hang him on live TV.
Comment by Zooey — August 11, 2006 @ 11:35 pm
Nice one.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:38 pmJust checked the Onion site. Really funny, but I came back here to read funnier stuff. Where´s exley?
Gravity — It’s the Law!
6th grade science class.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:38 pmHaving been in the scientific field, I really don’t understand the standpoint against evolution.
Comment by trueblue — August 11, 2006 @ 11:31 pm
I guess people dont like to be related to apes, for one part. Me? I rather go with the ape instead of copulating with my own rib.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:39 pmBlond/ Blue???
Jesus was a Jew, supposedly.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:41 pmI’d like to see him pull that off!
That’s another thing!… The depictions of Jesus would be all wrong for his lineage. You might as well ask for an African to have blue eyes/blond hair!
Wouldn’t it be great to see Bush’s and Delay’s faces looking at an olive skin-toned God?
The actual name is ‘Sporranâ€. Basically it is a purse. Kilts don’t have pockets. :)
Comment by Cyra Brown
No wonder I couldn’t find it! Thanks!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:42 pmMe? I rather go with the ape instead of copulating with my own rib.
Comment by Juan C
Ick. Now I have to scrub out my eyes with a wire brush.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:43 pmI love your post, Linda!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:43 pm#82
Juan C,
Congratulations, my friend! You have just replaced me as the self proclaimed King of Sarcasm and Retort. Keep up the good work!
Bye True and Zooey. It was fun while it lasted!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:45 pmDon’t say that, Zooey!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:46 pmJuan will think he has said something wrong….
Although the visual is pretty gross, we have to give him points on the sick-but-funny meter!
Goodnight, Clyde!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:47 pmIck. Now I have to scrub out my eyes with a wire brush.
Comment by Zooey — August 11, 2006 @ 11:43 pm
True was right. Language barrier at its best. I didnt mean the copulation with the ape, but with the idea of evolution. NOt that I have something against apes, its just…well, you know.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:47 pmJesus was a Jew, supposedly.
I’d like to see him pull that off!
Comment by trueblue
Every picture of Jeebus I’ve ever seen had blond hair and blue eyes, which is completely idiotic. I’ll have to ask my church lady sister what Jeebus looks like this weekend. In a nice way, of course. She’ll probably sick the local minister on me again. That was fun…not.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:47 pmNOt that I have something against apes, its just…well, you know.
Comment by Juan C
You just don’t swing that way? :)
August 11th, 2006 at 11:50 pmi had to leave for a bit – did i miss anything?
…that video…the lawyers of the 80s, 90s, and 00s are having an aortic episode over it.
Comment by Theresa — August 11, 2006 @ 10:40 pm
hospital ERs too, i’d imagine!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:51 pmYou just don’t swing that way? :)
Comment by Zooey — August 11, 2006 @ 11:50 pm
mmmm…how can I say this? I just dont swing. :)
August 11th, 2006 at 11:51 pmJuan,
It was the visual of you with your rib…
Funny AND gross – something Zooey and I appreciate in a post! ;)
August 11th, 2006 at 11:51 pmi had to leave for a bit – did i miss anything?
Comment by katy
Just Juan being weird about ribs. :)
August 11th, 2006 at 11:53 pmI would ask Obama “Corporate interests control the media, and control the government: What do you believe can be done to take power away from the ruling class and return it to the people?â€
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — August 11, 2006 @ 10:31 pm
excellent… thank you…
along the line of one i thought up earlier:
August 11th, 2006 at 11:53 pmwhile reading the “headline news anchor†thread, i thought of this one, still needs work – will accept revisions!
“what can we do – you, the congress, do – about the prevalence of lies and misinformation delivered constantly by the media, and even directly from the administration?â€
Juan,
Take this in the lightest of seriousness, but
If you don’t “swing”, you aren’t going to evolve!!!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:54 pmBoth good questions, katy. You and Briseadh na Faire are more coherent than I am on a Friday night. Have a great time at the Obama thing. Let us know how it goes. Maybe we’ll get another open thread this weekend — like it matters. :)
August 11th, 2006 at 11:55 pmEvery picture of Jeebus I’ve ever seen had blond hair and blue eyes, which is completely idiotic.
Comment by Zooey — August 11, 2006 @ 11:47 pm
And sad, he is always sad. Cant just be smiling like a fat, gleeful Buddha?
There is a joke (yeah, a joke): Jesus is on the cross in a church, whistling and hanging around (well, there), just wasting time when the priest shouts at him: Jesus, the tourists! Jesus closes his eyes and his head falls quickly to one shoulder.
Ha ha ha! Thats the stupidiest thing I have ever post. A joke that has to be acted. :}
August 11th, 2006 at 11:55 pm#27
Katy,
I would ask him, as I have via E-mail, if he, given the information AVAILABLE TODAY, would support an impeachment of Bush.
Why be bashful? Let him take a stand or equivocate. I suspect you will not be disappointed.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:55 pmposted…have ever posted.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:56 pmThat’s a tough question, Clyde!
He’d probably have to skirt around it until after the elections, though!
August 11th, 2006 at 11:59 pmOk. True, lets do something: (No ribs involved) You can speak to me in anyway you want, rude, crude, insulting, happy, sweet, whatever. I will never be offended. I say this because, well, due to what happened you are being careful about how I take things. Maybe I just dont grasp them, but that doesnt mean I am going to be offended.
August 11th, 2006 at 11:59 pmThere is a joke (yeah, a joke): Jesus is on the cross in a church, whistling and hanging around (well, there), just wasting time when the priest shouts at him: Jesus, the tourists! Jesus closes his eyes and his head falls quickly to one shoulder.
Comment by Juan C
That’s great, Juan. He should be happier, shouldn’t he?
August 11th, 2006 at 11:59 pmIf you don’t “swingâ€, you aren’t going to evolve!!!
Comment by trueblue — August 11, 2006 @ 11:54 pm
That was funny. Ok, I swing, I swing…but I dont like to brag. :)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:00 am#93- Juan, you must be really… umm… flexible. Do you do ‘Yoga’? Kidding, friend! ;)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:02 amJuan,
Do you know how you get a visual of someone, either through reading, or on the phone, or on this site?
Well, the joke wasn’t the funniest, until the end when you said it was a visual joke.
All of a sudden it was my image of you acting it out,….
it was pretty darned amusing!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:02 amWell, actually I did for 2 years. Never reached…the sporran or whatever. :)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:04 amAll of a sudden it was my image of you acting it out,….
it was pretty darned amusing!
Comment by trueblue — August 12, 2006 @ 12:02 am
Hey, true. How do I looked like? ;)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:12 amOh, sorry! How did I look like?
August 12th, 2006 at 12:12 amJuan,
you mean, “What do I look like?”
Answer: Not Tellin’!! :)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:14 amOh god, I gotta go, really. True & Juan, have fun. You two are too much! And that’s me saying that! No wonder I’m getting Word Press error messages….
Goodnight all!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:14 amI got that, too, Zooey!
Are they messing with us?
August 12th, 2006 at 12:16 amBye, Zoo. Yeah, got the same page recently.
August 12th, 2006 at 12:16 amAnd YOU’RE on the left coast, so it’s 9:22 – you can’t go!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:17 amAnswer: Not Tellin’!! :)
Comment by trueblue — August 12, 2006 @ 12:14 am
Ok, but its better. :)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:17 amAnswer: Not Tellin’!! :)
Comment by trueblue — August 12, 2006 @ 12:14 am
Ok, but its better. :)
Comment by Juan C
OK, Juan,
You don’t know how I picture you, so you can’t say!
Before we get another Wordpress notice, here’s my email…
your email will be initially spammed, but I’ll keep checking it, so simply put trueblue in the title so I know it’s you.
August 12th, 2006 at 12:22 amThat is, if you want….
anyway, it’s cforrest@capecod.net
I should get going too. Aikido class tomorrow morning.
August 12th, 2006 at 12:22 amTrue…goodnight. And everything´s ok. I was sad for making you feel that you had to explain me personal situations. You dont have to. Once again, sorry.
Zoo, funny shit the hijacking as ever.
That goes for you, too, Zooey!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:23 am(I bet you’re lurking still!)
:-)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:23 amKNEW IT!!!!!!
Zooey, same thing…
August 12th, 2006 at 12:24 amI’ll talk to you later!
wordpress troubles with me too…
time to call it a night…
clyde - i’d love to know the answer to that question, but
August 12th, 2006 at 12:24 ami think i won’t put him on the spot with that one just yet…
thanks for the idea though…
#110- Juan- I like your ‘accent’!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:25 amJust wrote you. Hope you get it.
August 12th, 2006 at 12:26 am#110- Juan- I like your ‘accent’!
Comment by Cyra Brown — August 12, 2006 @ 12:25 am
Yeah, yeah… :)
I know you were there, Zoo. That old kids story: I have to go…
August 12th, 2006 at 12:28 amTrue…do I have to fill what your mail just sent me?
August 12th, 2006 at 12:31 amno, Juan,
I already added you to my approved list! (and emailed you!)
Good night!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:32 ammmmm…Ok. What do I do in a thread when everybody has left?
August 12th, 2006 at 12:34 amI thought YOU had to go!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:35 amAikido, remember?
Oy. Goodnight, kiddos. :-)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:36 amI just read you, true. I will write you later. Godnight!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:36 amAiki…what?
August 12th, 2006 at 12:36 amI should get going too. Aikido class tomorrow morning.
True…goodnight. And everything´s ok. I was sad for making you feel that you had to explain me personal situations. You dont have to. Once again, sorry.
Zoo, funny shit the hijacking as ever.
Comment by Juan C — August 12, 2006 @ 12:22 am
That, Juan!
(silly)
Yo! Yenta!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:39 amYou are one great lady! Write me, you big lurker!!!!
Now, Im really gone. I drooling on the keyboard…and thats nothing to do with a rib!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:41 am:)
Take care, please. G´night.
nice visual!!!!!!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:42 amGoodnight! (To Everyone out there in cyberland!)
hardly a surprise…this is the only Western nation where more people believe in the Virgin Birth than in evolution. The end result can hardly be surprising.
August 12th, 2006 at 1:04 amBush is the missing link > he proves that humans are descended form chimps > lol.
August 12th, 2006 at 2:37 amFROM chimps
August 12th, 2006 at 2:38 amIf you live in NY, please print out these flyers for John Tasini and start passing them out. He is a real progressive running against Hillary for the democratic nomination for senate.
It’s in pdf format:
http://www.tasinifornewyork.org/files/Tasini-REALDemocrat-flier-BW.pdf
Thanks, so much. We need change in Washington. Hillary needs to go.
August 12th, 2006 at 2:53 amThe really scary part here is that the conservatives think thats a good thing.
:|
August 12th, 2006 at 4:56 amTERROR FEAR TERROR FEAR TERROR FEAR TERROR FEAR TERROR FEAR
August 12th, 2006 at 5:56 am“A comparison of peoples’ views in 34 countries finds that the United States ranks near the bottom
You can thank the republican party for that, and more besides. There is almost zero “debate†on the validity of global warming and evolution in the rest of the developed world, and precious little about that human caviar the blastocyst.
Yet these are hot topics in the US, why? Why is this the only developed country in the world confused and divided? The answer is crystal clear, the Bush regime in particular, and republicans in general are propped up by a 10% base of religious fanatics that lap all this nonsense up.
I mean politicians actually articulating a belief in utter unabridged bullshit like the rapture!!!!! Sheeese ….. no where else in the developed world could you get away with that, you’d be rightly dismissed as a lunatic.
Their selfish and foolish short term strategy gives these people a platform and “hey presto!!!!” suddenly half the country is questioning established science, making poor choices across the spectrum, and worst of all, electing inadequates like GWB.
The bottom line? The republicans would rather rule based on a pack of lies, than not rule. They would rather undermine the science that keeps us warm and well fed to garner that critical 10% of the vote, than campaign on real issues like healthcare, not blowing stuff up and the environment.
The Republican Party, thats the root of your problem right there. It has almost nothing whatever to do with the science.
August 12th, 2006 at 6:42 am#5: Males have nipples because all humans begin development as female until 8 weeks after conception; if testosterone is present at that time, the penis develops. The nipples are just a vestige.
August 12th, 2006 at 7:53 amis there a link between this and being the world’s most militariistic and belligerent nation ? The US is becoming a nation of regressive chest-chesting morons remiscent of a pack of gorillas.
August 12th, 2006 at 8:35 amis there a link between this and being the world’s most militariistic and belligerent nation ? The US is becoming a nation of regressive chest-chesting morons remiscent of a pack of gorillas.
Comment by jason baddo — August 12, 2006 @ 8:35 am
Actually there is. If you can convince people to integrate one irrational and unsubstantiated belief into the core of their lives, to wit, an all powerful, all seeing, all merciful God cares about humanity.
Then it isn’t that hard to integrate another, to wit, some of the poorest people on the planet are a deadly, fatal and existential threat that must be ruthlessly crushed with maximum force.
I say this as a person who had a “personal faith” for decades, and finally snapped out of it. Courtesy ironically enough of GWB. He shoved the inconsistencies of faith into my face with such vigour and frequency, that I finally gave up trying to reconcile them.
It really is a lot of bullshit, just think about it.
August 12th, 2006 at 8:51 amI noticed alot of comments stating what fools people who believe in religion are. I guess I have to ask if every name that they have called the right sided Christians, they would call Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Lutherans, Wiccans, Druids, Hindu etc… for having a belief in something other than straight evolution?
August 12th, 2006 at 8:57 amI noticed alot of comments stating what fools people who believe in religion are. I guess I have to ask if every name that they have called the right sided Christians, they would call Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Lutherans, Wiccans, Druids, Hindu etc… for having a belief in something other than straight evolution?
Comment by Tundra — August 12, 2006 @ 8:57 am
I’m not much for calling people names, many quite intelligent people are “believers” of one stripe or another. I present humbly myself as exhibit A:-)
It’s simply been my experience that the effect of constantly trying to reconcile the belief against reality is corrosive to cognition generally. That one gets in the practice of ignoring reality where it conflicts with a cherished belief, and when something else comes along that does the same thing, the circuits to ignore the contradicting reality are all in place.
For example the US government is largely made up of incompetent, amoral assholes, the supporting evidence for this contention is overwhelming. Yet 30-40% of the population persist in providing their support to these people. The cognitive disconnect that allows this, in otherwise normal people, is widened and nourished by fervent religious belief.
August 12th, 2006 at 9:09 amTHE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR! THE SKY IS FALLING! TERROR!
August 12th, 2006 at 9:13 amI guess I have to ask if every name that they have called the right sided Christians, they would call Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Lutherans, Wiccans, Druids, Hindu etc… for having a belief in something other than straight evolution?
Comment by Tundra — August 12, 2006 @ 8:57 am
Yes. The idea of God is the impossibility of human brain to explain certain phenomenology.
August 12th, 2006 at 9:30 amThe only known way that Nature has come up to known itself is called humanity.
August 12th, 2006 at 9:35 amHeya Brian,
I understand your point and am pretty much in full agreement with how you feel (I am not very religous myself, and not into organized religion at all). This isn’t directed at you by the way, more of something I noticed that just dosen’t make sense to me.
I often read or hear how we need to reach out and truly get to understand Muslims. We have to stop offending them and show them compassion. We have to show tolerance that they are different and extend hands in peace etc.
Yet in our own country SOME of these same people show zero tolerance for people who live next door for having similar beliefs. Christianity and Islam are not that different when viewed from a non-religous mindset (In my opinion). Both believe in an all powerful being who has total control over everything, an afterlife and a creation. I kind of think that the far right Christian Republicans and Far reaching Muslims are pretty much one and the same. We cannot have extreme distrust for one and understanding for the other (Eitherway it goes).
August 12th, 2006 at 9:38 amWe cannot have extreme distrust for one and understanding for the other (Eitherway it goes).
Comment by Tundra — August 12, 2006 @ 9:38 am
I know that wasnt directed to me, but I will answer that: Agreed.
August 12th, 2006 at 9:44 amBy the way, I know a bunch of Muslim guys and they are as simple as anyone.
Wasn’t he the little green guy in Star Wars?
August 12th, 2006 at 9:48 amJuan C,
Yeah you are usually pretty consistant in your thoughts which makes for good conversation. If someone simply has a different view it’s alot easier to take than when someone gets in that emotional net that Brian was speaking of.
That one gets in the practice of ignoring reality where it conflicts with a cherished belief
When any belief is that solid no matter what you tell someone, regardless of what facts you can present, you are always wrong. Where if you try and stay consistant then sure sometimes you look either like a tyrant or a fool, but at least you are true :)
August 12th, 2006 at 9:49 amI kind of think that the far right Christian Republicans and Far reaching Muslims are pretty much one and the same. We cannot have extreme distrust for one and understanding for the other (Eitherway it goes).
Comment by Tundra — August 12, 2006 @ 9:38 am
I totally agree. The reality is that extreme believers, in both cases are in the minority. I think moderates are becoming more concious of how generally destructive fanatical beliefs are. By fanatical I mean pretty much anyone who insists they they have a corner on the truth, that their religion is the absolute truth.
Ostensibly, all the major religions promote themselves as the “one and only”, and have injunctions to “kill the unbeliever”, not be “yoked unequally” and the like. Sensible people ignore all that crap of course, but there is a disturbing intellectual dishonesty about it, and I think moderates across the spectrum are waking up to it.
The same process happened in Europe in the 17th century. After nearly a century of religious wars, people realised it just wasn’t worth it, and adopted watered down versions of Christianity. In effect rhe seperation of church and state in the US, is a direct result of that lesson learned. Score one for the founders:-)
I’m hoping that globally, we’ll come to that conclusion a lot quicker, we’ll see religion generally watered down, and extreme religious views basically eliminated from public life.
August 12th, 2006 at 9:55 amWasn’t he the little green guy in Star Wars?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — August 12, 2006 @ 9:48 am
Now, that was funny. :)
August 12th, 2006 at 10:05 amNow, that was funny. :)
Comment by Juan C
Not a good mind picture, though. My brain keeps going back to it, and it’s not good. :P
August 12th, 2006 at 10:07 amOops, sorry. I forgot who I was this morning. :)
August 12th, 2006 at 10:08 amAn understanding and scientific research on evolution is necessary for improvements in future human well being. A recent story revealed scientists had managed to “recreate Hoxb genes” in a mouse. These genes had diverged and changed over the thousands of years of their evolution. Now Hoxb doesn’t seem to do much that will make a better mouse, or allow increased ability of the mice created to better adapt to their current enviornment. But the realization that we can recreate genes that have essentially disappeared from the current genetic structure of animals (like humans for example) reintroduce those genes may allow humans to better adapt to changing conditions we find in the future. If you poo-poo evolution then you would entirely deny the above experiment and the possibility of a true scientific solution to future human problems.
August 12th, 2006 at 10:10 amNot a good mind picture, though. My brain keeps going back to it, and it’s not good. :P
Comment by Yenta — August 12, 2006 @ 10:07 am
Your mind is adventorous, my friend. mmmmm. ;)
August 12th, 2006 at 10:11 amYour mind is adventorous, my friend. mmmmm. ;)
Comment by Juan C
Actually, it’s kind of freaking me out. :)
August 12th, 2006 at 10:13 amIf you poo-poo evolution then you would entirely deny the above experiment and the possibility of a true scientific solution to future human problems.
Comment by bones — August 12, 2006 @ 10:10 am
Besides, Darwin will be rolling in his grave after spending 5 years on the Beagle…
August 12th, 2006 at 10:14 amThe above article on reveral of “evolution” in mice
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5245950.stm
August 12th, 2006 at 10:14 amHey TP!
I promise not to use the F-word, if you start an open thread!
Deal?
August 12th, 2006 at 10:16 amHey, Zoo. I should be in the Aikido practice now, but since I was hijacking this same thread last night…well, what the hell. :{
August 12th, 2006 at 10:16 amIf you poo-poo evolution then you would entirely deny the above experiment and the possibility of a true scientific solution to future human problems.
Comment by bones
And you commit intellectual suicide.
August 12th, 2006 at 10:17 amHey, Zoo. I should be in the Aikido practice now, but since I was hijacking this same thread last night…well, what the hell. :{
Comment by Juan C
True and I have led you astray…mostly true, though. :)
August 12th, 2006 at 10:19 amDarwin did not hit on a solution during the Beagle voyage, but rather a few years later in London, while writing books on his travels. He began to speculate on the means by which species could arise by means still active around us. Darwin’s idiosyncratic eclecticism led him to investigate some unconventional bodies of evidence. He made countless inquiries of animal breeders, both farmers and hobbyists like pigeon fanciers, trying to understand how they made distinct breeds of animals. Gradually Darwin decided that organisms were infinitely variable, and that the supposed limits or barriers to species were a myth. In modern terms we would say that Darwin came to accept the then very controversial and unorthodox view that species evolve. Darwin then sought a mechanism for evolution. Darwin was familiar with the evolutionary theories earlier proposed by his grandfather Erasmus Darwin and by the great French zoologist Lamarck. In 1838 Darwin read the Rev. Thomas Malthus’ Essay on the Principle of Population (1798). Malthus had argued for a law-like relationship between population growth and food production in order to warn against what he feared was an immanent danger of overpopulation. Malthus was widely believed to have conclusively demonstrated that population would necessarily outstrip food production unless population growth were somehow checked. This focused idea inspired Darwin who applied it to his much wider field of concern. Darwin, already concentrating on how new varieties of life might be formed, now thought in terms of the differences between those individuals who, for whatever reasons, left offspring and those who did not.
August 12th, 2006 at 10:21 amTrue and I have led you astray…mostly true, though. :)
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2006 @ 10:19 am
Ha! Do you think? I thought it was the other way around… :)
August 12th, 2006 at 10:24 amI thought it was the other way around… :)
Comment by Juan C
Keep on thinking, sweetie. :-)
August 12th, 2006 at 10:26 amYeah, I know. It is a mind game I like to play: Its called “you are interesting”
August 12th, 2006 at 10:31 amha ha ha.
Gee, thank goodnesss Repugs are trying to cut funding to NPR and PBS–God forbid we invest in edumacation.
August 12th, 2006 at 10:33 amIts called “you are interestingâ€
ha ha ha.
Comment by Juan C
Thanks, Juan, you’re sweet.
August 12th, 2006 at 10:35 amBEIRUT, Lebanon – Israel staged wide-ranging airstrikes and sent commandos into the Hezbollah heartland Saturday as the United Nations raced to begin enforcing its new cease-fire blueprint and stop the heavy fighting still raging in southern Lebanon.
Airstrikes killed at least 19 people in Lebanon, including 15 in one village, while Hezbollah rockets wounded at least five people in Israel.
The Islamic militant group said its fighters killed seven Israeli soldiers and destroyed 21 tanks in combat Saturday. Israel said its troops had killed 40 Hezbollah guerrillas over the previous 24 hours. Neither side commented on the other’s claims.
Israel blasted a highway near Lebanon’s last open border crossing to Syria as it kept up its full-scale campaign against Hezbollah. Long columns of Israeli tanks, soldiers and armored personnel carriers streamed over the border.
The U.N. plan approved Friday night would create a peacekeeping force by combining a beefed-up version of the ineffective U.N. units already in the war zone and 15,000 soldiers from the Lebanese army. The force, which could number around 30,000, would stand between Israel and Hezbollah’s militia.
Israel’s Cabinet meets Sunday to approve the U.N. plan. Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora signaled his Cabinet would approve the plan at a meeting Saturday, saying it served the interests of his country and “shows that the whole world stood by Lebanon.”
Saniora also praised Hezbollah guerrillas. “The steadfastness of the resistance fighters in the field was very important, as was the steadfastness and unity of the people,” he said.
My guess. Israel wont take off from Lebanon. Then, Syrians will “abduct” another soldier and, cataplum! Israel will “defend” itself invading Syria…and staying there.
August 12th, 2006 at 10:35 amOH, Zoo. I was talking about me…you know, like a reassuring esteem game. It was a joke. You, on the other hand, are a blast!
August 12th, 2006 at 10:36 am#163- That’s an awfully long time to be on a Beagle! ;)
August 12th, 2006 at 10:48 amThat’s an awfully long time to be on a Beagle! ;)
Comment by Cyra Brown
Rick Santorum just fainted.
August 12th, 2006 at 10:49 amIt was a joke. You, on the other hand, are a blast!
Comment by Juan C
You’re still sweet.
August 12th, 2006 at 10:50 amThat’s an awfully long time to be on a Beagle! ;)
Comment by Cyra Brown — August 12, 2006 @ 10:48 am
OK, yeah, make fun of me. I dont care. Im still the best educated guy here.
August 12th, 2006 at 10:53 amComment by exley
OK, yeah, make fun of me. I dont care. Im still the best educated guy here.
Comment by exley
Comment by Juan C
You know he’s going to get you for that — if he sees it. :)
August 12th, 2006 at 11:02 am#180- Juan- (*titter*) It’s me laughing.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:02 amPost #18: “Darwinism is racist. It lead to Nazism and Leftwing Eugenics. Evolution is bunk.”
It doesn’t have to be that way. I recommend P. Kropotkin’s classic ‘Mutual Aid’ – a book that isn’t given enough attention on the left in my view. It uses Darwinism to argue in favour of solidarity.
Note, Kropotkin’s version of Darwinism emphasized the concept of ‘Natural Selection’ rather than the idea of the ‘Survival of the Fittest’, arguing that it is not competition between individuals, but the struggle of the species to overcome natural constraints, that is crucial to the evolution process.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:14 am#1…explian the human apendix? WTF?
‘Splain the human opposable thumb, dude?
Comment by beavercleaver — August 11, 2006 @ 9:17 pm
I see you can’t…
I’m not a dude.
The opposable primate thumb was helpful in climbing trees. We lost the opposable big toe when we started walking upright. We’re genetically 96.4% identical to chimpanzees.
Our size increased, as did our brain capacity when we began eating animal protein. It’s all about adaptation.
Just Evolution, no god.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:19 amThanks for not mentioning male nipples. :)
Comment by Zooey — August 11, 2006 @ 9:19 pm
I saved it for you :)
August 12th, 2006 at 11:20 amYou know he’s going to get you for that — if he sees it. :)
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2006 @ 11:02 am
Yeah, but he has changed. He is less uptight. I guess.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:21 amunbelievable,
Still loving the new job?
August 12th, 2006 at 11:21 amYeah, but he has changed. He is less uptight. I guess.
Comment by Juan C
I have to admit he has changed. At least he’s less defensive. That happens when you make a connection with them on some level. The discussion becomes more civil. Thank goodness.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:23 amThe opposable primate thumb was helpful in climbing trees. We lost the opposable big toe when we started walking upright.
Comment by unbelievable — August 12, 2006 @ 11:19 am
Damn the evolution. We could be zapping TV channels with our feet and doing stuff with our hands. Yeah, I know, Zoo…
August 12th, 2006 at 11:24 amDamn the evolution. We could be zapping TV channels with our feet and doing stuff with our hands. Yeah, I know, Zoo…
Comment by Juan C
Doesn’t everyone operate the remote with their toes? I’m confused…
August 12th, 2006 at 11:26 amYeah, I know, Zoo…
Ha.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:27 amAs a control mechanism, the U.S. wants to keep its population dumb and stupid. The religion is used as a means of political and economic control.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:28 amI am not an atheist, for to believe there is not a God is no different from believing there is one. I am an agnostic until someone proves me wrong.
Comment by Clyde the Ripper — August 11, 2006 @ 10:55 pm
Here’s my two cents on why I am convinced that there is no creator…
If creation is the premise, then the creator had to have been created, who had tobe created, who had to be created, etc. Occum’s Razor applied, creation is implausible because it requires to many steps. If a god can just be, then so too can the universe. And the reality of studying science i sthat there is no Intelligent Design, which would be the thumb print of a creator.
Sure, you can’t actually prove there is no god(s). That’s not what Atheism is saying. We’re saying that because there is no proof of any god, then believe in one is as pointless as believing in and worshiping flying invisible unicorns, or any other magical thing that cannot be disproven (as you can’t disprove a negative).
Zen Busshism says that wasting the provable (your life) debating the unprovable (gods) is a waste of life. That’s one of the most valid reasons I’ve ever heard.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:32 amIn fact, when South America and North America collided (what is now the Canal of Panama, well, Eisenhower took it for the US…surprise!) there was a halt in a marine current that fed the shores of Africa. This provoked that places in Africa crowded with trees began to dissapear and formed the Savannah. There, our ape-like ancestors had to adapt to this new environment by letting go of the branches and start walking upright to watch for food and predators.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:34 amI love satire. I like The Onion for theirs.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — August 11, 2006 @ 11:16 pm
Here’s a really good one. So good that I thought it was real….
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
August 12th, 2006 at 11:36 am#194, hey, HEY, let’s not start picking on the truely religious Flying Unicorn Church!
August 12th, 2006 at 11:41 am#196 – unbelievable
Did you read the fine print at the bottom? Truly hilarious! If you haven’t gotten those bifocals yet, just crank up the font size the way I told you before. :P
August 12th, 2006 at 11:43 ama friend sent me this:
It’s the liberals. It’s the ACLU. It’s Clinton. It’s Monica. It’s the “climate of permissiveness”. It’s France. It’s the liberal media. It’s Clinton’s p*nis. It’s Hillary. It’s Gov. Dean. We never could have known they’d fly planes into buildings. “No actionable intelligence”. They didn’t tell us to do anything. O’Neill’s lying. Clarke’s lying. General Shinseki’s lying. The Union of Concerned Scientists is lying. Our own weapons inspector David Kay’s lying. Wilson’s lying. John Dean’s lying. Newsweek lied! CBS lied! Everyone’s lying but us. We had to lie. We never lied.
Plame outed herself. Her husband outed her. The liberals outed her. No one outed her, since everyone already knew her covert identity. Libby had nothing to do with it. No comment. Lib’ral, lib’ral, lib’ral.
It’s the libs trying to pull Schiavo’s feeding tube. It doesn’t matter that DeLay pulled his own dad’s feeding tube. “Culture of life”. It’s Janet Jackson’s boobs; it’s the Statue of Justice’s boobs. Reading the news might cloud my judgement. It’s the “decade our government…blinded itself to our enemies”. It’s the homosexuals wanting to marry. “Restore honor and dignity to the White House”. A decision to go to war wasn’t a decision to go to war. “No actionable intelligence”. It’s the pledge of allegiance. They’re taking God out of America. Osama didn’t tell us when, how, where, and by what means he’d attack, and he didn’t leave a forwarding address. The 9/11 panel is biased against us. Saddam = Al Qaida. Saddam = Al Qaida.
Chalabi’s an honorable man and I believe everything he says about WMDs. Chalabi’s a crook and he passed secrets to Iran. Chalabi’s the liberals’ fault because they didn’t shoot us when we started using his “intelligence”. Chalabi? I don’t know any ‘Chalabi’!
It’s just a few dead-enders. They’ll be gone when we capture Saddam. They’ll be gone when we capture Saddam’s sons. They’ll be gone when we hand over “sovereignty”. They’ll be gone when Iraq has elections. They’ll be gone when Iraq’s permanent government comes in. They’ll be gone when we kill Zarqawi. They’ll be gone in 12 years. They’ll never be gone.
We found the WMD! We didn’t find the WMD. We found the WMD! We didn’t find the WMD.
The libs who warned against the war in Iraq and want to withdraw are killing our troops, but the cons who put them onto the battlefield are saving their lives.
We fight them in London so we don’t have to fight them, er, uh, well, can’t get fooled again!
Clinton cut funding for liquid explosives research in 2005!
It’s all these former staffers hawking their books. Money never corrupted anyone. “I’m a uniter, not a divider!” It’s the stem cells. It’s the feminazis, the intellectual elitists, and the ecoterrorists.
It’s Cthulhu and the meltin’ ice caves of, er, no there ain’t no meltin’ ice caves, and our SUVs ain’t makin’ ‘em melt!
It’s the martians.
It’s anyone but Bush.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:44 amThe Republican Party, thats the root of your problem right there. It has almost nothing whatever to do with the science.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 12, 2006 @ 6:42 am
Last year when I taught Physical Science I was told that I shouldn’t discuss Evolution at my school because it might upset too many people. Reality seems to upset the Republicans quite a lot…
(I now work in the school district where I went to high school, where I was taught Evolution in the classroom, and where I am allowed to say the word without fear of termination.)
August 12th, 2006 at 11:45 ami just started reading this article in time magazine… i get old issues from my mom, since i quit my own subscription after coulter was on the cover then dubya was “person of the year” the 2nd time (the last straw)… hope the link works:
Reconciling God and Science
Genome mapper Francis Collins is also an evangelical Christian. His new book says that’s not a contradiction
or, you can get to the story from here:
August 12th, 2006 at 11:49 amhttp://groups.google.co.uk/group/talk.origins/browse_thread/thread/a29826c41e22b89d/e9d4d76367ec9655?lnk=raot&hl=en
The US is becoming a nation of regressive chest-chesting morons remiscent of a pack of gorillas.
Comment by jason baddo — August 12, 2006 @ 8:35 am
Gorillas are actually less violent and more loyal than humans. Ever see the photo fo Koko with the kitten?
A National Geographic journalist decided to trek through remote areas of Africa where ‘naive’ gorillas lived. These goriilas had never had contact with humans.
When he came upon them, they were curious and recognized him as a fellow primate. They knew he wasn’t a gorilla, but knew that he was close, and they welcomed himinto their clan…
Makes them more hospitable than humans who cringe with disgust that they are our cousins. If anything, it is the gorillas who should be disgusted having us as relatives.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:49 amEveryone did see this:
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20060731/23387.htm
The carnegie Museum of Natural History, at 25 million it is a Christian denial of every other natural history museum in the world.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:49 amanyone see this from Scientific America? Its so worth the read so I’m posting the whole thing:
Okay, We Give Up
We feel so ashamed
By The Editors
There’s no easy way to admit this. For years, helpful letter writers told us to stick to science. They pointed out that science and politics don’t mix. They said we should be more balanced in our presentation of such issues as creationism, missile defense and global warming. We resisted their advice and pretended not to be stung by the accusations that the magazine should be renamed Unscientific American, or Scientific Unamerican, or even Unscientific Unamerican. But spring is in the air, and all of nature is turning over a new leaf, so there’s no better time to say: you were right, and we were wrong.
In retrospect, this magazine’s coverage of so-called evolution has been hideously one-sided. For decades, we published articles in every issue that endorsed the ideas of Charles Darwin and his cronies. True, the theory of common descent through natural selection has been called the unifying concept for all of biology and one of the greatest scientific ideas of all time, but that was no excuse to be fanatics about it. Where were the answering articles presenting the powerful case for scientific creationism? Why were we so unwilling to suggest that dinosaurs lived 6,000 years ago or that a cataclysmic flood carved the Grand Canyon? Blame the scientists. They dazzled us with their fancy fossils, their radiocarbon dating and their tens of thousands of peer-reviewed journal articles. As editors, we had no business being persuaded by mountains of evidence.
Moreover, we shamefully mistreated the Intelligent Design (ID) theorists by lumping them in with creationists. Creationists believe that God designed all life, and that’s a somewhat religious idea. But ID theorists think that at unspecified times some unnamed superpowerful entity designed life, or maybe just some species, or maybe just some of the stuff in cells. That’s what makes ID a superior scientific theory: it doesn’t get bogged down in details.
Good journalism values balance above all else. We owe it to our readers to present everybody’s ideas equally and not to ignore or discredit theories simply because they lack scientifically credible arguments or facts. Nor should we succumb to the easy mistake of thinking that scientists understand their fields better than, say, U.S. senators or best-selling novelists do. Indeed, if politicians or special-interest groups say things that seem untrue or misleading, our duty as journalists is to quote them without comment or contradiction. To do otherwise would be elitist and therefore wrong. In that spirit, we will end the practice of expressing our own views in this space: an editorial page is no place for opinions.
Get ready for a new Scientific American. No more discussions of how science should inform policy. If the government commits blindly to building an anti-ICBM defense system that can’t work as promised, that will waste tens of billions of taxpayers’ dollars and imperil national security, you won’t hear about it from us. If studies suggest that the administration’s antipollution measures would actually increase the dangerous particulates that people breathe during the next two decades, that’s not our concern. No more discussions of how policies affect science either-so what if the budget for the National Science Foundation is slashed? This magazine will be dedicated purely to science, fair and balanced science, and not just the science that scientists say is science. And it will start on April Fools’ Day.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:50 amhey, HEY, don’t be dissing the true religious Church of the Freeborn Gorilla.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:51 amOk…for the sake of my sanity: That Flat Earth Society is a joke, right?
August 12th, 2006 at 11:52 amunbelievable – ever hear of the Bonobo chimps? They are like the hippie-dom of the chimp world – they have longer hair, are very sociable, and settle disputes nonviolently, and that usually involves sex.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:52 amfor having a belief in something other than straight evolution?
Comment by Tundra — August 12, 2006 @ 8:57 am
Hey – didn’t think you’d be back. How is/was your golf event for charity?
The answer to your question is yes.
Though, I really only harrass the ones who are the in-your-face type of hypocritical jerks about their religion. My friend who are religious and walk their talk, I leave alone. It’s the radical Christo, Islamic, etc. zealots that receive my criticism. Mostly because they are annoying and well, mostly, dangerous.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:54 ambelieving in one is as pointless as believing in and worshiping flying invisible unicorns…
Comment by unbelievable — August 12, 2006 @ 11:32 am
unbelievable – Why must you belittle my belief system?
The sooner we accept Invisible Unicorns as the one true Gods – the better off we will all be!
August 12th, 2006 at 11:57 am*SARCASM*
August 12th, 2006 at 12:00 pmAnd you libs support peaceful guerillas, let me tell you the gueillas in Lebanon are not peaceful and we have to fight them overthere so they don’t start an insurgency in our zoos. I’m George W Bush and I will not allow guerillas to kill Americans on my watch!
It’s the radical Christo, Islamic, etc. zealots that receive my criticism. Mostly because they are annoying and well, mostly, dangerous.
Comment by unbelievable — August 12, 2006 @ 11:54 am
I suspect that the Republican love affair with the Christofascists has been very instructive, and has done more to undermine and destroy extreme religious movements, than it has to help them.
Increasingly, people are lumping the zealots together, regardless of religion, as the citizens of Europe did in the 17th century did to the radical christian sects of their time.
That is I think, on the whole a good thing, liberals/progressives/moderates co-operate instinctivley, the extremists all hate each other as well as us.
Moderates of the world unite:-)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:03 pmStill loving the new job?
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2006 @ 11:21 am
Oh yeah, my boss (my former high school teacher) is very liberal. My students are juniors and seniors who want to be there, and tell me they are enjoying the class. The community and BOE is very happy to have us there. I like my co-workers who are pre-dominantly liberal (though pretty religious). And the boys in my third period think it’s cool that I’m a modern tree-hugging hippy who has them make their projects out of used car parts because we are running out of natural resources and because the NYC landfill is now the largest man-made structure in the world. They are on their way to the junkyard this afternoon to pick up parts.
I finally feel like I have a career that is making a positive impact.
How about you?
August 12th, 2006 at 12:05 pm#206 – Ok…for the sake of my sanity: That Flat Earth Society is a joke, right?
Comment by Juan C
Yes. Read the very small print at the bottom of the page.
Very Monty Python-esque.
Have a great day!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:07 pmThe sooner we accept Invisible Unicorns as the one true Gods – the better off we will all be!
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist
Are they protected by magical rainbows? We must protect the Invisible Unicorns!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:08 pmI finally feel like I have a career that is making a positive impact.
Comment by unbelievable — August 12, 2006 @ 12:05 pm
Thats one of the most beautiful comments I have read.
August 12th, 2006 at 12:09 pmWho was polled, just Republicans? I find it hard to believe that even a stupid, historically-illiterate country like the US, a nation that keeps electing Republicans to power despite their catastrophic track record in domestic and foreign affairs, can be that ill-educated and willfully ignorant.
Thomas Franks, the author of What’s the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America, is guest writing for the NY Times this month while Maureen Dowd is on sabbatical and starts off with this great article that asks why we’ve let the Republicans, the ultimate insiders, keep complaining about being the ultimate outsiders.
August 12th, 2006 at 12:09 pmhey, HEY, let’s not start picking on the truely religious Flying Unicorn Church!
Comment by bones — August 12, 2006 @ 11:41 am
Yes, that’s my 5 year old niece’s favorite one. And man is she convinced it’s true :)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:12 pmDid you read the fine print at the bottom?
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2006 @ 11:43 am
Yeah. I guess that shows how gullible some people are that it’s hard to tell satire from their beliefs without some fine print… :)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:14 pm#206, Juan – I find this a good review of the history of the Flat earth Society
August 12th, 2006 at 12:15 pm#219 soory here’s the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society
August 12th, 2006 at 12:15 pmHow about you?
Comment by unbelievable
It’s so great that you’ve found something you love!
I’m still growing into my job, I’ll probably spend the next year or more learning it. Positive impact? Maybe. I like the job I do, so that’s positive!
But remember, I deal with felons — and their lawyers! Luckily, I don’t see the felons (except occasionally in the corridor to the courtroom, wearing an orange jumpsuit & handcuffs) as often as I see the lawyers. Sometimes I think the lawyer ought to be wearing orange, too. :}
August 12th, 2006 at 12:17 pmOk…for the sake of my sanity: That Flat Earth Society is a joke, right?
Comment by Juan C — August 12, 2006 @ 11:52 am
It’s a parody of the real Flat Earth Society – which doesn’t have a webpage.
The real people are just as loopy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society
August 12th, 2006 at 12:19 pmYeah. I guess that shows how gullible some people are that it’s hard to tell satire from their beliefs without some fine print… :)
Comment by unbelievable
Damn, you ignored my eyesight shot…
I’m really going now! Play nicely!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:19 pmThe power of the fundamentalists in this country is amazing. The nuymber of people who prefer to disregard science and trust in their faith is equally amazing.
August 12th, 2006 at 12:21 pmWe are not moving forward folks, we are traveling backward.
Of course, this will fit in nicely when we become a totalitarian state, run by the fascists, with labor being done by the serfs and controlled by the elites, when only the rich will be educated. Historians will one day say that this extreme reversal was begun by an Emperor named “W.”
Comment by bones — August 12, 2006 @ 11:49 am
That, of course, is contradicted by science, but that’s the point of the $25 million Creation Museum rising fast in rural Kentucky.
Its inspiration is the Bible — the literal interpretation that contends God created the heavens and the Earth and everything in them just a few thousand years ago.
It’s not a museum, it’s Storybookland… or Disneyland for the Reality-challenged…
August 12th, 2006 at 12:23 pm#225 I love the contention that the dinosaurs and man cohabitated the planet at the same time and the idea that the dinos missed Noah’s Ark so that’s why we don’t have T Rex in the streets.
August 12th, 2006 at 12:28 pmunbelievable – ever hear of the Bonobo chimps?
Comment by madashell — August 12, 2006 @ 11:52 am
Yeah, I think some religious group was bashing them for it. Neocons really hate others’ sex lives.
August 12th, 2006 at 12:28 pmfeel like smiling? Hope!
Happy Saturday!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:28 pmunbelievable – Why must you belittle my belief system?
Apologies…
The sooner we accept Invisible Unicorns as the one true Gods – the better off we will all be!
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — August 12, 2006 @ 11:57 am
I think it’s the Flying Spaghetti Monster myself.
:)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:30 pmI’m really going now! Play nicely!
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2006 @ 12:19 pm
Take care. :)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:30 pmI’m George W Bush and I will not allow guerillas to kill Americans on my watch!
Comment by bones — August 12, 2006 @ 12:00 pm
Good one!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:31 pmThat is I think, on the whole a good thing, liberals/progressives/moderates co-operate instinctivley, the extremists all hate each other as well as us.
It’s about time… I know we all like to live and let live, but in a world where the extremists won’t leave us alone, we have to stand up to them before they kill us all. And you’re right – they will if they can. I think they’re working on it, frankly. The Inquisition II…
Moderates of the world unite:-)
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 12, 2006 @ 12:03 pm
They leave us with no choice but to do so. But I think it’s going to get uglier the more we out number them…
August 12th, 2006 at 12:35 pmThats one of the most beautiful comments I have read.
Comment by Juan C — August 12, 2006 @ 12:09 pm
Thanks. But it’s just the truth. I realized when I was an architect that I was beating my head against the wall trying to make the profession care about the planet. But with kids, they are like sponges. I get to plant seeds that will hopefully make a positive change in a profession currently obsessed with raping the environment.
The first thing I said to them was “Do you know that we are running out of oil?” It was relevent as oil makes all the plastics used in the construction industry.
Then I showed them the worl of Samuel Mockbee – an architect who built houses for very poor people in Alabama out of recycled materials. My third perios class wants to go do the same for our community (it’s got some very poor areas), because they thought it was cool. I’m so proud of them.
August 12th, 2006 at 12:41 pmSometimes I think the lawyer ought to be wearing orange, too. :}
Comment by Zooey — August 12, 2006 @ 12:17 pm
It’s nice to have a job that allows you to learn and grow instead of herding things :)
So what exactly are you doing?
Some lawyers should most definitely be behind bars… :)
August 12th, 2006 at 12:45 pmfeel like smiling? Hope! Happy Saturday!
Comment by madashell — August 12, 2006 @ 12:28 pm
thank you for that, mad… and for all your posts… sometimes i worry about you, as i worry about myself – i can identify a fragile psyche at times and ours seems to coincide frequently! you speak (and link) for many of my own thoughts and observations…
there is hope… never want to lose it… i will keep that ditty as a reminder to myself, as needed… thank you again…
nice day, low 80s, low humidity! going outside…
August 12th, 2006 at 12:46 pmI love the contention that the dinosaurs and man cohabitated the planet at the same time and the idea that the dinos missed Noah’s Ark so that’s why we don’t have T Rex in the streets.
Comment by bones — August 12, 2006 @ 12:28 pm
I really cannot believe anyone believes that craziness. I just can’t…
August 12th, 2006 at 12:49 pmYou are so very welcome, Katy. Enjoy your day! And though its sometimes very hard, keep the faith, and keep the Hope alive! Peace!
August 12th, 2006 at 12:50 pmOf course dinosaurs lived at the same time as man! And the WMD are hidden in Syria under Bashar al Assad’s mattress. Pay attention!
Time for Agitprop’s Wingnut Roundup – Lieberman edition.
August 12th, 2006 at 1:21 pmjuan c + unbelievable true love. lol.
August 12th, 2006 at 1:29 pmjuan c + unbelievable true love. lol.
Comment by e harmony — August 12, 2006 @ 1:29 pm
You got that from one exchange between us???
This is not match.com
August 12th, 2006 at 1:47 pmIt’s becoming obvious that GOP Bush lovers are reverting back to a more primitive life form > some kind of crazy primate that goes berserk and loves to kill other primates! Some scientist has started a study of Repub brains, and found out they do not use the reasoning part of the brain, but instead use the most primitive part that reacts to fear > they are genetic throwbacks!
August 12th, 2006 at 1:48 pmU.S. lags behind world in evolution acceptance
not suprising really if you look at the morons that still support george bush, Many many people in America have no brains , so not suprising there then
August 12th, 2006 at 2:49 pmEvolution basically means that things happen for random with no clear unifying force. It makes sense for people of religion to doubt it as the core of their belief is that God (in whatever way you chose to worship her/him) has some sort of plan. Evolution clearly goes against that idea. I’m a big believer in “live and let live” but the rejection of evolution really scares the living hell out of me. If anyone gets the chance, read “The end of faith” by Sam Harris. Fascinating book.
Oh yeah, please destroy my simple discription of evolution if it’s all over the place. My degree was in History and I haven’t been near Biology since I was 16.
August 12th, 2006 at 4:16 pmBluedog49
I’m sure I bumped into you a few nights ago. If I’m not confused, good evening and I hope you are doing well.
If the only person arguing anti-evolution decides to name himself after the most notorious coke dealer of all time, I think the evolution argument is built on a fairly solid foundation.
Cheers!
August 12th, 2006 at 5:08 pmHere’s a new one I recently learned:
Because we have compressed our pelvis from the weight of standing upright, child birth has become terribly painful. Other primates don’t have this level if discomfort, because tehir pelvises are still a straight shot out of the womb, and they just pretty much squat and catch to have their babies. Very little pain or complications.
Humans are rare in that mother and child can die during child birth as a result of our compressed pelvis shape… Most animals have less difficult birthing than we do.
This is evolution. Cause and effect. Simple as that.
August 12th, 2006 at 6:17 pmThere is no question that the secular institutions of Europe are staunchly in support of the theory of evolution, but, much of their population is becoming more and more muslim, which has it’s own creation story. One day, when the secular population gets overrun by the religious population, they will experience the same reversal that America is now experiencing.
August 12th, 2006 at 6:56 pmJason M. Hendler
Can you give me the population growth figures to back up your argument please?
Thanks
Dave
August 12th, 2006 at 7:36 pm#249, Dave,
You are welcome to look them up in Tony Blankley’s book:
The West’s Last Chance: Will We Win the Clash of Civilizations?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_West%27s_Last_Chance:_Will_We_Win_the_Clash_of_Civilizations%3F
He cites the muslim populations in many European countries, and their push to convert secular law to sharia law.
August 12th, 2006 at 7:45 pmI find it interesting that the backlash against liberalism in the US has the Dems fighting old battles, especially on evolution. Thank God libs didnt’ push civil rights too hard, or we would be refighting the Civil War.
August 12th, 2006 at 7:47 pm#250
The problem for Sharia law is that the majority of Europe is secular democracies. They can push all they like but it’s not going to happen. Hell, my Muslim mates don’t want Sharia so the chances of the electorate being persuaded are less than minimal.
August 12th, 2006 at 7:54 pm#250, dixie,
Too funny, you should read the thread before you post – I provided the link to Tony Blankley’s book, which was a shocking read on the growth of muslim political power in Europe, as well as their refusal to assimilate, so they balkanize each nation in which they reside.
August 12th, 2006 at 7:55 pm#254, UK,
Right now, that is true, but the muslim populations have significant growth rates, whereas the non-muslim population growth is low or even negative. Eventually, following current trends, and the non-assimilation of muslims into these Western societies, will result in the eventual displacement of secularism with sharia law. Tony Blankley states it far better than I do.
August 12th, 2006 at 7:58 pmJason M. Hendler
I’ve got a feeling it’s over the top. I regularly go out for a few beers with some lads who are Muslim. I’ve an ex girlfriend of mine was Muslim. For most of us it’s no biggie.
August 12th, 2006 at 8:02 pm#258, UK,
Tony’s first chapter, in which he tries to paint a possible future based on these trends, will hit you as far fetched, but the rest of the book is a must read for Europeans. The most serious problem is the disinterest European governments and societies have in actively trying to assimilate the muslim population, so as their populations grow in isolation, you create the environment in which they start to demand self governance in their communities, which is currently happening. You should give it a quick read through.
August 12th, 2006 at 8:12 pm…For most of us it’s no biggie.
Comment by UKBristolDave — August 12, 2006 @ 8:02 pm
this is lost on the jasons et al… i remember the stories about how progressive the iranians were, wanting to get out from under the mullahs, modernize… then some yahoo threatened them in his “aixsis of eevil” speech… changed the whole course of american diplomacy…
August 12th, 2006 at 8:44 pmgone…
If the only person arguing anti-evolution decides to name himself after the most notorious coke dealer of all time, I think the evolution argument is built on a fairly solid foundation.
Cheers!
Comment by UKBristolDave — August 12, 2006 @ 5:08
So the name of this anti-evolutionist poster was Victoria, Queen of England? Ask the chinese, they remebember her as the greatest drug dealer of all times.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:12 amThe anti-evolutionists scoff at political activiists. They believe that political activists are brainwashed by Darwinism. Darwinism becomes propaganda for them.
That’s all.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:34 amLeave to Mr. Hendler to change the subject from the slow acceptance of the Theory of Evolution in the US to a blatant fearmongering, and smearing of Islam and Muslims.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:25 amJason M. Hendler
I’ve got a feeling it’s over the top. I regularly go out for a few beers with some lads who are Muslim. I’ve an ex girlfriend of mine was Muslim. For most of us it’s no biggie.
Comment by UKBristolDave — August 12, 2006 @ 8:02 pm
In my virtual travels I frequently come across this “Europe is being taken over by the Muslims” meme.
Basically Islamic terrorists are depicted as omnipotent villains with quite attainable dreams of world domination, genocide, and the obliteration of the United unless Americans stand loyally behind George Bush as he takes the extreme and unprecedented measures necessary to protect us from these extreme and unprecedented threats.
Totally nonsense of course. When looked at rationally it really is a wonder such piffle keeps these people spooked. Iran, easily the most well armed “threat” couldn’t even mount an invasion of the EU, the Swedish Airforce would be enough to repel them. As a result, the ” omnipotent villain” meme has to be beefed up with some 5th column propoganda, hence the birth rate in Europe thing. As if every muslim in the world is a prospective Jihadi. Bonkers.
Classic Jason Hendler though, and always good for a laugh:-)
August 13th, 2006 at 5:21 amTony Blankley states it far better than I do.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 12, 2006 @ 7:58 pm
Says the guy who jolds fiction-writer and med school drop-out Michael Crichton as a higher authority on Global Warming over actual climate scientists…
Jason believes in Jesus. Clearly he isn’t rational to begin with.
August 13th, 2006 at 6:04 amIran, easily the most well armed “threat†couldn’t even mount an invasion of the EU, the Swedish Airforce would be enough to repel them.
Comment by Brian Coughlan — August 13, 2006 @ 5:21 am
Good to see this put in perspective from someone who lives “within closer range” of Iran than the scaredy cats here.
If people in Europe aren’t afraid, then Americans being terrified is clearly irrational and without logical thought.
though I think we are all well aware that the neocons are driven by irrational fears, and they ‘believe in’ their pseudo-sciences to assuage any possible guilt over clubbing baby seals and their equivalents…
They love Global Warming Bush becuase he reinforces their fear, so that they can continue to harm dark-skinned people around the world. It’s psychotic. And if we don’t get them to calm down, they will be the end of us all…
August 13th, 2006 at 6:10 amSome Americans are really, really hung up on the idea that Europe has a growing Muslim population. Indeed it does. They’re also worried that the Muslim popuation is unassimilated and is subverting European secular states. It’s not correct. The thing which really bugs some Americans is that the Europeans aren’t worried, but they don’t get it that the Europeans aren’t worried because they don’t see anything to worry about.
Muslim extremists have killed maybe 300 people in the E.U. in the last few years. Non-muslim Europeans have killed many times that number in the same time period. The Europeans know where the threats lie, and for the most part, they’re on top of it.
European culture isn’t going anywhere. If it becomes more Islamic, then it becomes more Islamic. Cultures change. There were no Spanish speakers in the Western Hemisphere 550 years ago. 500 years ago there were very few churches which weren’t Roman Catholic in western Europe. Populations change faiths and values do, too. The difference is that the Europoeans aren’t getting worked up over it.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:08 amThe difference is that the Europoeans aren’t getting worked up over it.
Comment by David Carlisle — August 13, 2006 @ 10:08 am
To be fair, many Americans aren’t bothered by it either, just the neocon’s and their Christofascist enablers.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:21 amI should have noted in my last post that I’m sitting in an internet cafe in the eastern Czech Republic. The owner of this cafe is an Arab, and many Arabs use this cafe although I don’t see any in here this afternoon. When I pull down the list of addresses that have been contacted by the people who’ve used this computer before me, I see Arab Times, Jordan Times and something called 6arab.com which is a music site full of pictures of women who *gasp* don’t have their hair or face covered. I get the feeling that it’s not Jihadist music. There are also a number of Pakistanis who come here.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:56 amThe Muslims of foreign origin SEEM to be fairly well accepted. They operate a lot of businesses like this cafe and money changing kiosks downtown. They speak Czech and enter the country legally. Like the Vietnamese, they’ve got a niche in the local economy; they earn money and pay taxes. The Czechs may be an exception, but, at least where religion is concerned, they haven’t worried much about how their neighbors are worshipping since 1648. At that point, they decided it just wasn’t worth it.
I could be wrong, but my suspicion is that the growth of Europe’s Muslim community is just another way for people like Tony Blankley to feel superior to Europe, and use it as an example of the horrible things that’ll happen to the U.S. if American liberals get their way. Not only do Europeans have higher unemployment, higher taxes, fewer millionaires, higher gas prices, those Socialists (who don’t even know that “Socialist” is a bad word) are doomed because they aren’t scared about Mulsims. All their paid maternity leave and greater access to healthcare have made them forget to be paranoid.
Jason believes in Jesus. Clearly he isn’t rational to begin with.
Comment by unbelievable — August 13, 2006 @ 6:04 am
you know, statements like that put you in the same boat as those you rail against… i for one, am really tired of it… “open minded” and “inclusive”, my ass…
August 13th, 2006 at 11:07 amreligion, faith, whatever, even a lack thereof, is a personal matter and you should leave it as such.
#269, David is exactly correct. We rail about English as the national language, the “growing” hispanic immigration and birth rate and as A Faux “newscaster” said “soon there will be no ‘white babies’”, a growing “Muslim” immigration “problem” – it’s all crap. Think back over EVERY NATION on this planet. They started with tribal ethnic purity and ended. Period, ended. It’s going to happen to every nation and there is NO WAY to stop it. I lived in Japan a long time, they prided themselves on ethnic and cultural purity. The Romans were a strong educated people and as they conquered outlying areas they adopted the best ideas of the cultures they encountered, and it made them stronger. But this ridiculous idea that “Muslim” immigration will destroy Europe is bigotry, if it is going to happen, the “Muslims” will become Europe and have the right to live the way they wish, as current Europeans do now.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:14 amThe Czechs may be an exception, but, at least where religion is concerned, they haven’t worried much about how their neighbors are worshipping since 1648.
I live in Sweden David and I can confirm the same thing. One of the reasons I guess that I get so annoyed by this meme. I’ve had neocons cite Sweden as an example of the muslim “takeover” of Europe!!!! Amusing, given that I live here:-)
It’s amazing, and a concern, that such narrowminded, fear driven, war mongers have vaulted into power in the US:-(
It is my fervent hope that the republican party be destroyed as a political force in the US, what they have enabled is simply unforgivable, and they don’t seem to have even grasped how dreadful it is:-(
August 13th, 2006 at 11:38 amkaty- That same person,on the homeland sec. thread,made a statement about being in a “gifted” classroom when they were in the 7th.grade.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:54 amFunny,I don’t remember such “gifted”categories when I went to school.
Anyway,I think people who feel the need to aggrandize themselves like that are really suffering with self esteem issues.
you know, statements like that put you in the same boat as those you rail against… i for one, am really tired of it… “open minded†and “inclusiveâ€, my ass…
religion, faith, whatever, even a lack thereof, is a personal matter and you should leave it as such.
Comment by katy — August 13, 2006 @ 11:07 am
I couldn’t care less what you think katy.
I have plainly stated that I am against organize religion because it is the root cause of most wars and most ignorance in our society. And obviously I am right. As you continue to demostrate everytime you act like the intolerant mother hen that can only cut and paste.
If you don’t like it, you can skip my posts. But your opinion is NOT fact. I am entitled to mine and until you can understand that, you can continue to be offended. I don’t care. Many people here agree with what I say. I think that’s what bothers you the most.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:39 pmAnyway,I think people who feel the need to aggrandize themselves like that are really suffering with self esteem issues.
Comment by Bernadette — August 13, 2006 @ 11:54 am
Wasn’t aggrandizement, was a point that mainstream classrooms didn’t get such thought-provoking types of literature to read, that they only gave out those kinds of stories in gifted classes, which further divides thos eof us who think from the masses who ‘believe’ in absurd concepts such as Jesus and talking donkeys.
Just because you didn’t know about the gifted program doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. You just probably weren’t eligible for it. It’s been around in Georgia since the 1970s. At the time is was a pull-out class where we went three times a week to have exposure to a larger diversity of educational materials meant to encourage our creative minds.
Always assume the worst in people – it’s why no one wants to hang out with you or invites you to parties…
August 13th, 2006 at 1:45 pmIn fact, everytime someone criticizes my right to criticize the irrationality of organized religion, I’m going to speak out even more. Atheists have been persocuted by the religious right and it’s my First Right Amendment to denounce those who do.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
—Stephen Roberts
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
—Seneca the Younger
Men never commit evil so fully and joyfuly as when they do it for religious convictions
—Blaise Pascal
I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence
—Doug McLeod
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
—Epicurus
Don’t pray in my school, and I won’t think in your church
—unknown
You can’t convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it’s based on a deep-seated need to believe.
—Carl Sagan
There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages.
—Richard Lederer
It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand
—Mark Twain
The easy confidence with which I know another man’s religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also
August 13th, 2006 at 2:09 pm—Mark Twain
Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man — living in the sky — who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do..And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time! ..But He loves you
August 13th, 2006 at 2:10 pm—George Carlin
Jesus’ last words on the cross, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” hardly seem like the words of a man who planned it that way. It doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to figure there is something wrong here.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:13 pm—Donald Morgan
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:15 pm—Thomas Paine
Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:17 pm—Carlespie Mary Alice McKinney
So unbelievable, I’m not sure, what’s your religious persuasion?
August 13th, 2006 at 2:38 pmAnd obviously I am right. As you continue to demostrate everytime you act like the intolerant mother hen that can only cut and paste.
Come now people, lets not fight:-(
We can agree that republicans have hijacked Christianity in an offensive and hypocritical way. However, people do take issue when it is baldly stated that they are fools, morons or idiots for believing in a personal God.
I believed in the personal God for a very long time, but I don’t consider myself a fool. When one is immersed in a religious society, it is perfectly normal to accept the norms of that society.
My de-faithification came over the last 6 years of watching George Bush tear up the world. His actions violated my sense of what Christian faith should be and made me far more critical and cynical about faith in general. Eventually it killed it off altogether. My point is, in different circumstances, I might still be a Christian.
Believing in a loving God of one kind or another does not make you a fool. Committing, cheerleading or condoning atrocity in the name of a loving God does.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:49 pmIs this ‘unbelievable’ person just plain crazy or fanatical or both?
August 13th, 2006 at 2:52 pmDoes this whakjob post here often? This is pure spam.
So unbelievable, I’m not sure, what’s your religious persuasion?
Comment by bones — August 13, 2006 @ 2:38 pm
I’m a diehard Christian, can’t you tell :D
August 13th, 2006 at 2:53 pmBrian,
I’ve been pretty clear that I insult the religion of and to those who use it for violence, domination and other negative reasons. Also to those who insult Atheism. I get tired of being expected to be silent about my beliefs while having irrational beliefs forced upon me. I simply will not be silent about it. Religion IS the opiate of the masses, and you see how well that is working for the US…
katy just likes to feel better about herself by insulting me. It’s been going on a while. I usually ignore her until she insults me again, and then I remind her that I do not value her opinion.
In every instance, she starts it, and in every case I remind her that I do not care what she thinks. She seems unable to remember it for very long.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:59 pmUnbelievable makes a point. The Christofascists hate Muslims and Atheists equally well. Remeber both don’t accept Jesus as their personal saviour and are going to hell, so you can stop treating them like human beings and slander them, attack them, and kill them and their families. It’s intolerence that has us in our current mess in the Middle east, unbelievable reminds me that Atheists are targeted also.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:16 pmIntelligent Design is sumed up nicely by the cartoon: “Scientific Theory gets the data and sees what theory can be created to explain that data. Creation Theory gets the theory and tries to find all the data that support it.” It is NOT a theory. It is a religious belief. Strike one.
The main argument: “Present both, Let our kids decide.”
-I’m sorry. But we’re not going to let our kids decide their own reality. Strike two.
Religion is holding the U.S. back in many areas of science. We’re lagging behind because of a 2000+ year old book that wholeheartedly supports slavery and the demoralization of women. Come on.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:47 pmbones,
I just find it interesting how I’m supposed to tolerate religion but it won’t tolerate me (or those like me). This is one of many reasons I am so vocal about the hypocrisy in it.
I can’t tell you how many people I work with freely say “God bless you.” What do you think would happen to me if I said “I don’t believe”?
Thanks for understanding. The more of us who are open about being against the intolerance in organized religion, the more who will feel comfortable doing the same, until there is a resistence to religious hypocrisy.
August 13th, 2006 at 4:12 pmunbelievable reminds me that Atheists are targeted also.
Comment by bones — August 13, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
i cannot remember anyone here – other than aphro – targeting un because of her oft-professed atheism, though she is quick and persistant to criticize and offend others whose belief is different from hers… i was pointing out that hypocricy, and will continue to do so…
August 13th, 2006 at 6:27 pmseems she reads my posts after all… except, of course, the ones where i offer praise or agreement…
imagine that…
I read your post on accident katy. I usually do skip them because they are immature and inane babble.
The thing you don’t get is that the oppressed cannot be oppressors. It’s like saying that women are intimidating men, when women do not have equal rights. You argument is fallacious. You just have some selfish need to attack me because you cannot make me like you. Well, I’m just gonna be frank with you katy, because you don’t seem to understand anything that isn’t blatant. You will lose if you attack me.
You’ve been warned. I’m sick of your holier-than-thou condescention based on the fact that it angers you that I don’t take you seriously or think you are valid. That’s my prerogative. You think you can make me like you, but everything you are doing is making me dislike you more. You’re being juvenile and I’ve had enough of you minding my business like a petty grade school girl.
And, for the record, I was addressing Jason in my post – not you. Silly and pathetic of you, because it’s not ever about you when I post to someone else. I skip your posts because they are as ridiculous as the trolls.
I didn’t think it was possible to think even less of you and your childish behavior. Congratulations. You’ve managed to lower the bar.
August 13th, 2006 at 6:45 pmdixie blood,
This is why I laugh whenever anyone says that we are a free nation with freedom of speech rights. Not under the current neocon administration. We are not free.
Just so you know, I only insult those who insult me first or attempt to force their beliefs on me. It’s giving a dose of their own medicine back to those who need it the most. My comment to Jason was for Jason. katy just thinks everything is about her. It’s why most people ignore her.
Most of my comments about religion are in defense of my right to freedom from it. Women and blacks gained rights by refusing to be silent and by standing up to those who would try to oppress them. I am very vocal about my beliefs. I will continue to be vocal about my beliefs. It’s the only way that it will become visible and known. Anyone who mistakes that for a personal attack has misunderstood. I simply have the right to defend my right to reject religion and speak out about it. If that makes anyone feel threatened, then perhaps they aren’t as faithful as they claim to be.
katy is just making an issue out of nothing because I ignore her. She can’t stand it, so she tried to turn nothing about her into something to run her fat mouth about. Stick around long enough and you’ll see what I’m talking about. It’s hard to know the truth from one incident. Give her time, she’ll show her ass again and again. Others have seen it and called her on it. They know she’s just the poodle trying to look tough by attacking the German Shepard.
Blind faith is getting us into bad situations. If everyone tiptoes around it, and doesn’t call others on it, we will soon be a theocracy…
August 13th, 2006 at 7:08 pmOh come on. theocracies are fun, and it comes with free lolly pops, chewing gum, and Fritos!!!!!!Mmmmmmmmmmmmm yummy. Come on now with god on our side, them terrorists are going down. With or without comma splices or run on sentences and a preposition at the end of a sentence.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:30 pmIs the lollypop representative of the believer? Thick and gummy?
August 13th, 2006 at 8:35 pmexcellent 60 minutes tonight…
back to this matter, though, for a last response:
Comment by katy — August 13, 2006 @ 11:07 am
I couldn’t care less what you think katy.
odd that you would have a response then…
I have plainly stated that I am against organize religion because it is the root cause of most wars and most ignorance in our society.
and i can even agree with that stance…
And obviously I am right. As you continue to demostrate everytime you act like the intolerant mother hen
projection? transferance? you’re showing a deep intolerance also…
that can only cut and paste.
so judgemental… and speaking of which: #s 278-282…
If you don’t like it, you can skip my posts. But your opinion is NOT fact.
is this opinion or fact? :
“Jason believes in Jesus. Clearly he isn’t rational to begin with.”
I am entitled to mine and until you can understand that, you can continue to be offended.
that comment was a put-down, pure and simple… i am only offended that you, as a popular poster on this progressive sight, are speaking with a harmful, hypocritical bias…
I don’t care.
uh huh…
Many people here agree with what I say. I think that’s what bothers you the most.
Comment by unbelievable — August 13, 2006 @ 1:39 pm
more self flattery… we’ve been through that fallacy…
not a concern of mine – only the two-faced dishonesty…
you’ve not outgrown your republicanism either – those baseless,
personal insults come so easily to you…
and now you get to have the last word… go for it, girl…
August 13th, 2006 at 8:37 pmkaty,
You are irrelevent and you know it. Otherwise you’d be attacking the other TP posters who habitually slam religion and not just me. But you only single me out…
That says more about your issues than mine. And atleast I have my own thoughts. All you can do is cut and paste someone else’s. No wonder you’re just a sheep who believes in religious nonsense.
that comment was a put-down, pure and simple… i am only offended that you, as a popular poster on this progressive sight, are speaking with a harmful, hypocritical bias…
Yes it was a put down for Jason. But you must make everything about you. Why? Because all you’ve ever done is pop out a couple of kids. Big deal. Clearly that’s not so tough. 6.4 billion people in the world prove that. So you have to make it about you to feel like you matter. Basic Psychology 101.
My opinion is harmful? More harmful than a Christian majority that uses wars to kill, majority to oppress, and fear to allow priests to get away with raping little boys? You have lost touch with reality if you believe that.
Besides, if Christianiity is the truth, then what I say shouldn’t matter. The fact that you’ve allowed it to matter proves that it’s more your own issue than mine.
You don’t seem to be smart enough to get that those who are oppressed cannot do harm. They can only gain their freedom. And that is my intent – freedom from religious oppression by the Christian majority. And I will not stop speaking out about the real hypocrisy in organized religion until I can freely say I am an Atheist without retrobution. Deal with it.
I only respond to you because I told you that when you attack me I will call you out on your obsession with me. And I am good to my word.
My pasting occasional quotes is not the same as you doing it ALL the time. 99% of what I write is in my own words. 99% of what you post is someone else’s. Hardly makes you qualified to judge me.
You trying to harrass just me over this issue is clearly biased. And that is what makes you lose face every time. Well, that and you putting other people down while trying to criticize me for doing it. Walk your talk and try minding your own business for a change. You are just confirming my believe that those who worship Jesus are not rational or intelligent. Keep it up. You are living proof of my words.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:54 pmthis is scary.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:47 pmI agree, Daniel.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:12 amSCORE BOARD
katy————6
unbelievable—0
katy wins (yyeeaaaaa)!!
August 14th, 2006 at 1:42 amNovember Predictions:
Another Al Qaeda Attack
Another Bin Laden Video
Another Rigged Election
Another Republican Sponsored Supreme Court Decision
August 14th, 2006 at 3:09 amIn the same way I get ticked by conservatives who begin their argument by telling me what my political beliefs are, I get irritated by people telling me what my religious beliefs have to be. I get annoyed when people tell me “Because you think______, then therefore you believe ________, you associate with __________, and are blind to the crimes committed by ________.” Liberals are more nuanced than some conservatives believe, and people with thoughts which people catagorize as “religious” may similarly be more nuanced. Probably the same thing with outsider’s ideas about athiesm.
Everybody, but EVERYBODY takes something on for lack of a better term “faith”, be it religious faith, scientific faith, or what we call common sense. Just because I’m __________ it doesn’t mean I automatically am __________.
August 14th, 2006 at 6:06 am“Religion” for some reason gets boxed off from “ideology” in general. In the right hands, any ideology can be used to divide, exclude, commit crimes and justify hypocracy. In some cases that’s the original intent of the ideology, in some cases it’s not.
August 14th, 2006 at 6:12 amunbelievable
August 14th, 2006 at 10:30 amJust to let you know, I was also offended by your comment to Jason. That comment was a condemnation of anyone who professes a belief in Jesus, as I do, whether we are hypocritical or consistent, judgmental or kind, accommodationists or separatists in terms of church/state, accepting or rejecting of science. This was not a slam against religion, it was a slam against a personal belief. While I enjoy most of your posts, I cannot support you on this one.
PLC,
It is a choice whether or not to be offended, or any other feeling. You choose how you feel. It is not my decision.
If you choose to be offended, it because you do not recognize my right to think a belief in Jesus is irrational. It is my right to think a belief in Jesus, Santa Claus and any other unprovable entity is irrational. I’m actually offended that people are trying to tell me that I don’t have a right to my belief, or to express it. People who frequently bash conservative ideology and think that they are entitled to that belief. I have equal right under Freedonm of Speech. And, as I’ve said, I’m not the only one making such statements – just the only one called on it.
There are people who tell me I’m going to Hell. I think they are entitled to think that. I don’t take it personally. I would recommend all Jesus believers take the same approach. I shouldn’t have to defend my right to express my beliefs any differently than you have a right to profess yours.
After years of persocution by Christianity, I am entitled to be a bit angry with that system. I am also entitled to reach out to others who feel the same way I do, but are afraid to come forward.
I feel as strongly about the dangers of blind faith as you do about your faith. I will continue to express that. If it offends you, that is your decision. It has nothing to do with me.
August 14th, 2006 at 5:42 pmI shouldn’t have to defend my right to express my beliefs any differently than you have a right to profess yours.
EXCEPT YOU WERE NOT DOING THAT – WHAT YOU SAID WAS A PERSONAL ATTACK, BASELESS AND UNWARRENTED.
FUEL FOR THE ANN COULTER TYPES FIRE – GET IT?
THAT ATTITUDE DOES NOT HELP WIN FRIENDS OR ELECTIONS.
FORGET JESUS… HOW ABOUT “THE GOLDEN RULE”.
STOP WITH THE “POOR OPRESSED LITTLE ME” BULLSHIT.
ADMIT YOU GOOFED AND MOVE ON.
last time.
August 14th, 2006 at 5:58 pmI was RIGHT. It is my right to not only think that your belief in Jesus as a savior is ridiculous, absurd, ignorant, etc – but to say it. First Amendment affords me the right to believe it and express it. And I will do so more and more for each time you attack me or try to oppress my rights.
You’re so pathetically transparent. You didn’t say a word to criticize any of the other twenty people on the front page who were bashing religion. Why is that? Hmmm? Hypocrite.
You don’t follow Jesus’s teaching or the Golden Rule. At least I’m honest… and I don’t scream in all caps like a kindergartener throwing a temper tantrum. You’re irrelevent. Get over yourself.
August 14th, 2006 at 8:22 pmP.S. For the record, I didn’t goof. I’m not that careless. And I don’t want friends who apply conditions to my friendship. Your fear is showing.
In fact, I am even more convinced that people who believe in Jesus are irrational as well. Your temper tantrum validates everything I say against organized religion.
August 14th, 2006 at 8:25 pmkaty:
“You can’t argue with a sick mind.”.
August 15th, 2006 at 1:02 am“You can’t argue with a sick mind.â€.
Comment by Joe W. — August 15, 2006 @ 1:02 am
Says the people who won’t think for themselves because they are afraid to die more than they are afraid to live.
Good thing for you that you won’t know when you die that you wasted this life hoping and suffering for a fairytale.
August 15th, 2006 at 8:42 pmunbelievable:
I am ashamed of you,and you should be ashamed of yourself as well.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:55 amYou have published at this blog that I am dead;now you’re publishing that I am alive and in the garment business.Which one is it?
What a shameless,shameful,daughter you are !
Get a hobby, life, or something that does not include obsessing with my life. I really am not interested in having a stalker, or fan club.
August 16th, 2006 at 6:49 pmWTF ? …
take it away… not worth it… everyone knows…
August 18th, 2006 at 4:05 pmDid someone actually say that about their Mother,and it was not true?
August 20th, 2006 at 1:04 pmWhy? What would be the motivation?Does someone actually wish their mother were dead?
Where I come from,to say your Mother is dead,but is not,is the ultimate of disrespect;not to mention depraved.
Got started in blogging recently and set up my poker king tips blog. Just learning as much as I can… could do with some useful links.
Jay
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