Feingold: Joe Lieberman ‘Doesn’t Get It’
Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT) echoed Vice President Cheney last week by arguing that a timeline for Iraq redeployment (backed by 57 percent of Americans) “will be taken as a tremendous victory by the same people who wanted to blow up these planes in this plot hatched in England. It will strengthen them and they will strike again.â€
This morning on ABC’s This Week, Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) responded to Lieberman’s remarks. “Joe is showing with that regrettable statement that he doesn’t get it. He doesn’t get it,” Feingold said. Watch it:
Full transcript:
STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator Lieberman thinks that your approach will strengthen the terrorists and it’s a victory for terrorists. What’s your response?
FEINGOLD: Well, I like Joe Lieberman, but I support Ned Lamont, because Joe is showing with that regrettable statement that he doesn’t get it. He doesn’t get it. The fact is that we were attacked on 9/11 by Al Qaeda and its affiliates and its sympathizers, not by Saddam Hussein. And unfortunately Senator Lieberman has supported the Bush Administration’s disastrous strategic approach of getting us stuck in Iraq instead of focusing on those who attacked us. I mean, look at the places that have been attacked: India, Morocco, Turkey, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Somalia, Spain, Great Britain. What does this have to do with Iraq? And Senator Lieberman is stuck on that point. Ned Lamont and I believe that we should refocus on those who attacked us on 9/11 and not simply try to cover our tracks because this was such a very poor decision in terms of the overall battle against the terrorists who attacked us.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you think Senator Lieberman should get out of the race?
FEINGOLD: Well, you know, I think that’s his own decision. It would be better for the Democratic Party, I think it would be better for the people of Connecticut, it would be better for the country if he did it. Not because he hasn’t been a good Senator, not because he isn’t a good man, but this is a critical time. And we have to change course. We have to focus on those that attacked us on 9/11 and get away from this very mistaken policy in Iraq. So it would be helpful if he would do it, but obviously Joe will have to make that decision for himself.
Transcript H/T: A.G.
The fact is that we were attacked on 9/11 by Al Qaeda and its affiliates and its sympathizers, not by Saddam Hussein.
Yes! This is EXACTLY what the Democrats should be saying in response to the far-rightwing fear-mongering propaganda!
Ned Lamont said this and Now Hilary and Russ have said it also. We just need the rest of the Dems and Independents to also say it - and then repeat it frequently until November.
If they do, even Diebold won’t have a chance of saving the neocons.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:02 amGore / Feingold 2008!
August 13th, 2006 at 10:03 amOf course Feingold is correct in his assessment of Joe Lieberman. Joe has played in the sandbox of the pukes for so long he has taken up their bad habits, like peeing and pooping in his own play station.
Many think that Lieberman will win, however, their analysis of the situation is weak. Independents, dems and many republicans will vote for Lamont and he will win. The prognositactors have it all wrong, but of course they are looking through the wrong window.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:11 amWhere is the thread about Ned Lamont on Fox News Sunday?
Fresh from the campaign, Ned had a polished answer for all questions, but I was disappointed when he started back-pedalling from the “pull out all our troops from Iraq no matter what” position. When pressed, he dropped his eye contact from Chris Wallace, and gave a never say never retort. Seems he’s no different from Hill’reh, Raum Emanuel, John Kerry, or the other Dems who constantly move their position, and vote along with Republicans on national security issues, when forced to vote.
Liberal bloggers busted their butts, and ended up with the same thing they were hoping to replace.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:24 amLiberal bloggers busted their butts, and ended up with the same thing they were hoping to replace.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 13, 2006 @ 10:24 am
Your problem, Jason, is that you take what people say over what they do.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:29 amHendler is so screwed up it is unbelievable.
Does Hendler think that if a vote were held in the Senate today that they would give approval to Bush to invade Iraq to “fight them there so we dont have to fight them here”.
I dont think so Hendler. Millions of amukans have awakened since those early days. And dont forget, Bush has had about 10 other reasons why he wanted to invade Iraq since the original terrist thing.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:33 amIsrael and their supporters are desperate. It’s ugly and it shows.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:36 amI am super pissed off Lamont went on FOX.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:37 amI totally agree with Russ Feingold. He comes up with great responses against GOP spin.
One question for the media: when are they going to STOP putting the “D” tag on Lieberman’s name? He left the Democratic party. He’s running as an independent and cannot use the Democratic party tag.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:38 amdixie blood,
Silence, in our culture, is seen as acquiescence. I cannot be silent when the neocons like Jason, Exley and Chase spread lies that sound lucid. It’s what got us into this mess to begin with. The liberals just turning the other cheek. It make us look like we agree when we don’t.
However, MA is incoherent, and the others on your list, I don’t even read their posts. They are so juvenile they refute themselves.
You might wanna add Randy and Retired Republican Soldier. They don’t seem to have been banned yet.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:40 amHendler, all you have to do is Google “liar” and you will get over 31 million references to Blair and Bush.
The world knows by now, dont they?
August 13th, 2006 at 10:40 amI am super pissed off Lamont went on FOX.
Comment by The DLC are Frauds — August 13, 2006 @ 10:37 am
I can see how this is brilliant of him actually, if he is just using them the way they use us… To make himself seem like he cares about them, make them see a person instead of an empty chair, and to make them think he’s with them.
Just as long as he doesn’t ACT like them, I think he should go frequently to confuse them into voting for him.
He also went on Stephen Colbert’s show when Lieberman wouldn’t, and look how many neocons actually think Colbert is serious…
August 13th, 2006 at 10:43 amRuss for Prez in 08!
August 13th, 2006 at 10:56 amFiengold is one of the few politicians that even remotely speaks truthfully, regardless of what it does to his personal power position.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:01 amI second the Russ for prez nomination here.
Feingold/Clark 08
August 13th, 2006 at 11:06 amdixie blood,
Great job with the troll list!
Feingold/Clark in 2008!
August 13th, 2006 at 11:44 am#6; IRI is back too. Too Chicken to fight in Iraq.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:57 ambein president of america and a group of middle eastern terrorists at the same time is just like bein a double knot spy! — George W Bush, double knot spy
August 13th, 2006 at 12:19 pmLooks like Feingold can stay on message…was it three times in that clip he mentioned “not Iraq, 9/11″? That’s nice jujitsu on the “Iraq=9/11″ mantra.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:24 pmI’m Canadian,but i agree wholeheartedly with Russ Feingold for President. He seems to be the only one who speaks out against El Moron and his stormtroopers.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:27 pmI hope Dems. wake up fast, & follow his lead.
Cymru
russ feingold in ‘08!! he has shown strength in character in all that he’s done. it’s time for the dems to support a true democrat who’s not afraid to stand for principles. run Russ run!!
August 13th, 2006 at 12:31 pmjuslin
Joe Lieberman is a GOP agent, so he never was a real Democrat, so now he has been exposed as another Zell Miller fool > lol.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:33 pmLieberman is too arrogant and self-centered of a man. He and Bush are clones. They both are willing to lie and cheat and commit criminal acts in an attempt to get what they want. I really dont care what he does, as long as i dont have to watch him and hear him.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:38 pmI am not convinced that we were attacked by a coherent al Qaeda organization on 9/11. I have never seen a single shred of sustainable proof that this was the case. What I saw was a serendipitous government story and a brain-dead sycophantic corporate media tripping over itself to print the legend.
What I have seen from this government is a story full of holes that defies the physical laws of nature, and an abundance of corroborated evidence. I have seen the government systematically destroying criminal evidence, gagging whistleblowers, lying and whitewashing its own complicity.
It is quite apparent that both of the corrupt monopoly parties in the US want to capitalize on 9/11 by exploiting the myth for politial expediency and to continue to perpetrate the same destructive policies that are pushing us ever nearer to world war.
We need a criminal investigation of the worst crimes ever inflicted on American civilians on American soil in American history. Neither of the corrupt monopoly parties will allow impartial investigations that are out of the hands of political hacks and political obstructionists. Therefore, we need a Constitutional Amendment providing for an Independent Special Prosecutor and Grand Jury to conduct full scale criminal investigations with unlimited judicial subpoena power any time the nation is attacked retroactive to 9/11.
There are too many lingering important questions about 9/11 to allow us to pursue a national discourse and policy that may be completely bogus. An independent criminal investigation with the tools to pierce the firewalls to possible government criminality are required.
Look at the world and the direction we’re going, people. If we do not face the truth we are doomed as a species.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:54 pmThat troll listing in #6 helps. It seems to me that trolls mistake mirrors for windows–or maybe they never heard of windows. From time to time, I want to condemn what they write, but that’s no more use than disputing a certified psychotic.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:02 pmUnfortunately for Bush and his “war on terror” in his haste to make political hay for the Brit’s successful anti-terror use of police work and intelligence (and not brute force), he is likely to get few criminal convictions. The Brits are saying they wanted another week to strengthen their case against the plot, but Bush, at 33% in the polls, needed the political boost NOW. Bush’s response to this “Code Red” security crisis that put the skids on the air industry AGAIN? Stay on vacation.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:14 pmPresident Feingold. Has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
August 13th, 2006 at 1:15 pmSpeaking of those who dont get it, add the junior senator from New York, Hillary
Rodham Clinton, see the following: http://www.newsday.com/ news/ local/ longisland/ ny-liclin124849101aug12,0,5361360.story?track=rss
I agree with Jonathan Tasini, HRC’s opponent in the upcoming September 12th Democratic Party Primary when he says…
http://www.tasinifornewyork.org/ 2006/ 08/ 10/ tasinis_statement_from_august_10_press_conference
“On the war and on other significant issues, Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman are ideological soulmates. Both Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman voted for this immoral war. Both Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman continued to support the war and the occupation that have killed 2,600 of our men and women in uniform and tens of thousands of Iraqis. Both Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman have guaranteed every New Yorker that they will pay more in taxes or suffer cuts in valuable social programs because of their vote for a war that will cost $1 trillion to $2 trillion.”
Vote For What You Believe In!
August 13th, 2006 at 1:29 pmhttp://www.tasinifornewyork.org
LIEberman is still living up to the first 3 letters of his name… the LIE?
August 13th, 2006 at 1:33 pmHe isn’t about U.S. …he’s all about himself and his neoCONmen buddies!
Anybody notice an overall drop in activity by trolls at this site? Sure, I’m seeing an occasional burst of activity, but it looks to me like the trolls are less and less able to get any traction at all on the stories coming out lately, even using their dishonest rhetorical tactics.
Right wing propagandists like Jason Hendler no doubt are finding themselves increasingly isolated in their delusions. Jason, do you want to be among the last wingnuts defending the crown, to the point where you and your “ideas” are uniformly ostracized?
August 13th, 2006 at 1:35 pm#33, RealScientist,
For me, it is more a case of non-interesting threads lately. I bring up this site several times a day, but lately, I haven’t seen anything interesting to write about.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:44 pmPresident Feingold. Has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
Comment by dave
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But I thought we liberals are anti-Jewish?
And yes,some of my faith in government would be restored with Feingold in office.
Or Gore.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:44 pmdixie blood,
I do think your list is helpful to new people who come here. Just so they know that we don’t agree with the bought and paid neocon posts…
I think it’s more effective to point out their fallacious logic than to try and engage any of them. They have no interest in a debate - just antagonism… which reminds me that Antagonist is another troll. As is Tracy.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:54 pmFor me, it is more a case of non-interesting threads lately. I bring up this site several times a day, but lately, I haven’t seen anything interesting to write about.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — August 13, 2006 @ 1:44 pm
Translation: Jason cannot argue the obvious reality in recent threads so he pretends to be bored.
Nonsense Jason, you are transparent.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:57 pmI’d like to thank members of the press for saying that Joe Lieberman “echoes” the comments of the current administration, in refernece to the war. Each time the public is reminded that Sen. Lieberman is simply repeating whatever he hears Bush & Co say, the happier I am. It goes to prove what a spineless jerk Lieberman is to run this vanity campaign based on GOP talking points. He can’t run on his own merits, he knows this. He is useless to voters. If Joe wants to align himself with a morally bankrupt, inept and disfunctional administration to lengthen his career, good for him. Even better for Ned Lamont.
P.S.: No one does a take-down like Russ Feingold. If Russ is after someone, there is no doubt that the person deserves it.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:01 pmJason, I am amazed at your claim about “non-interesting” threads with all the frantic rightwing hoopla going on right now.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:02 pmFeingold for president, but a word of warning for Russ, stay out of small planes, Wellstone remembered. They will stop at nothing!
August 13th, 2006 at 2:02 pm[…] ThingProgress.org has it. […]
August 13th, 2006 at 2:13 pmLieberman must answer the question, what is a priority for you, helping yourself or helping your country? If we don’t put a check on a unitary executive and a rubber’stamp legislative branch - only possible before ‘08 by changing the majority in the House and/or the Senate this November, we stand a good chance of seeing our democracy collapse into the dustbin of history. Lieberman’s priority is obviously himself but his answer will merely dodge the question.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:18 pmSo you see how easy it is to move a troll down the gutter and back under their rock using ridicule and humor.
Comment by dixie blood — August 13, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
I completely agree. In fact, Jason has more logically been absent hoping that after enough time passes, he will stop being ridiculed for claiming that Stanford is Ivy League. He knows that until that stops happening, he has zero credibility with anyone who was present on that thread.
So, from now on, every time Jason posts, we should remind him that we have superb memories :)
August 13th, 2006 at 2:25 pmBush cut and run on Osama Bin laden to invade Iraq, a country with no ties to 9/11 and no wmds.
and yes the citizens of Bali, Spain, India, Afghanistan, England, Morocco, Turkey, and many other countries around the globe are so glad that Bush and Lieberman decided to ignore Bin Laden and help Halliburton. (And Joe owns stock in Halliburton.)
August 13th, 2006 at 2:29 pmReflecting previous comments, Russ Feingold is one of a handful of dems speaking the truth and not afraid nor intimidated by the neocons and their supporters. Hopefully, all the dems will get it before November!
We must all keep in mind following this coming election that if the lobbies are not kicked out of Washington DC, it will be more of ‘ here today and here tomorrow’!
Iraq has been an imperialistic power grab by the neocons based upon their corporate fascist grover and rover idealism. Understanding their objectives are really quite simple; Keep the voters afraid and distracted; generate mass income and wealth for political allies and campaigns through war funds; over throw oil rich mideast regimes to secure oil fields, and secure a continued hold of economic power over america by the oil men of this country; secure the Israeli lobby stranglehold in Washington. It’s all about power and money, money and power!!!
This scenario is in fact what is occurring. Just take a look at the small country of Iceland, and when one sees that they have already begun to convert and make available hydrogen fuel cell stations and vehicles for public consumption, it will become all too apparent that the mess the US finds itself in has been all one giant deception! The oil companies and US car companies have been whistling ‘motherhood and apple pie’ for so long that americans have been lulled into believing they’re the good guys! Viva Lee Raymond and his $400,000,000 retirement package while American soldiers are fighting and dieing.
Jimmy Carter warned us two decades ago that oil would result in crisis down the road. Imagine if the US had started down the path of hydrogen fuel cell tech. conversion back then. We would be free of the strings attached that brought 9/11, free of all the culture clash that results in conflict with extremism, as action and reaction. Not to mention that water drops would be falling out of car tailpipes, instead of the poisonous pollution that accelerates global weather change.
A powerful reminder concerning Iraq and 9/11………
“I told the world that Iraq, contrary to your claims did not have weapons of mass destruction.
I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to al-Qaeda.
I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to the atrocity on 9/11 2001.
I told the world, contrary to your claims, that the Iraqi people would resist a British and American invasion of their country and that the fall of Baghdad would not be the beginning of the end, but merely the end of the beginning.
Senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong and 100,000 people paid with their lives; 1600 of them American soldiers sent to their deaths on a pack of lies; 15,000 of them wounded, many of them disabled forever on a pack of lies. ” - Galloway -
August 13th, 2006 at 2:41 pmJason Hendler is right but I hope he’s wrong about Lamont. Lamont needs to be questioned about his plan or ideas about a complete pull-out. I didn’t see the interview. Politicians like Hill’rey and Kerry and Emanuel see how the winds of the public are blowing and then take a stand. In this case however, all 3 of them (throw in Obama too) have not publicly called for a complete pull-out and immediately from Iraq, especially Clinton who appears to still favor our troops remaining there. (It’s not enough to attack Bush for a failed policy. What’s the alternative?)
August 13th, 2006 at 2:43 pmUnbelievable thinks Jason takes what people say over what they do. That’s a very dangerous position to take. e.g., Hitler, Mussolini, McCarthy and even though I hate putting the Prsident of the United States in the same company–Bush. Ok. Toss in Lieberman.
What are we supposed to do? Wait until after an election to see if someone comes through with what we hope that politician will do? I don’t think so.
I would like to hear Lamont clearly state that he wants a complete pullout from Iraq and now. It doesn’t matter to me what Hillary Clinton says. I’d rather not vote then vote for her. She refuses to call for Lieberman to pull out from the race (remember Unbelievable it’s what people do and not what they say that’s important) as she continuously supported this war and continues to do so by staying silent about it (except when questioning those generals and even then never talked about a pullout), therefore we have to assume she’d keep our troops there until, like Bush says, the country is stabilized and Iraqies can fend for themselves. Fat chance. Not going to happen. Kerry had his chance so I don’t care what he says now. He’s waited and waited to call for a phased withdrawal which means as soon as those of our soldiers in Iraq are put in the position of danger after many of them leave, we’d very well send the ones who have left and even more back. A phased withdrawal is a terrible position and fatal for the tropps remaining in Iraq. Kerry ran a lousy campaign the first time and it’s over for him.
So who’s left? Gore and Feingold. Not a bad ticket.
Tailgunner Joe just doesn’t get and Feingold is right on target about this. Tailgunner Joe is in this for himself and no one else. I wonder he would do when he loses in Nov? Refuse to leave his office? Go to court to demand he be the senator?
And what is this crap about liberals being anti Jewish. I have never heard a more lame comment in a long time. Really lame.
GORE/FEINGOLD 08!!
Then FEINGOLD 016!!
August 13th, 2006 at 2:47 pmI posted about this here.
“That is exactly the point that republicans and the punditocracy seem to be missing. Iraq is not the central front in the war on terror. Our time, energy, and limited resources could be put to much better use. Under the Democratic plan America would not only be more respected internationally, it would also be safer from the threat of terrorism…”
August 13th, 2006 at 2:47 pmWhat are we supposed to do? Wait until after an election to see if someone comes through with what we hope that politician will do? I don’t think so.
Comment by Steamboater — August 13, 2006 @ 2:43 pm
You have to be a certain age to be elected to office. That means these people have a history. Therefore, I would look to at a person’s history to see what their actions are. I think it was DR. Phil that said that past behavior is a good indicator of future behavior. And it’s true.
Clinton had affiars before and during office.
Reagan was an actor before and during office.
Bush was a failure before and during office.
There’s a logical pattern. That’s how we tell.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:48 pmAnd what is this crap about liberals being anti Jewish. I have never heard a more lame comment in a long time. Really lame.
Comment by Buzzramjet — August 13, 2006 @ 2:47 pm
It was a claim some trolls were making last weekend. Turned out to be a paid troll who kept saying that we were against Lieberman because we is Jewish. Just some obnoxious nonsense. As usual from the trolls.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:51 pmWe where attacked on 9/11 by some cold-blooded terrorists, but it was not Al-Queda.. Know what I mean?
August 13th, 2006 at 2:53 pmSenator Russell Feingold is 110% Correct! He is one of the very few Congressional Senators that has ‘integrity, honesty, and ethics” and is a “True Hero!”
I’d vote for him as President in a “Heartbeat1″
Charlie C.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:56 pmDallas TX
In fact, Jason has more logically been absent hoping that after enough time passes, he will stop being ridiculed for claiming that Stanford is Ivy League. He knows that until that stops happening, he has zero credibility with anyone who was present on that thread.
Jason has zero credibility, period. He thinks that Michael Chricton knows more about science than all the real scientists put together. Absurd.
As for that other paid troll who kept saying Liberals = Jew Haters, notice how it completely disappeared after Lieberman lost.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:59 pmI agree with the first comment: We have to stop being called “anti-war” (even though most right-thinking people are indeed against wars, period). But we need to show that we are anti-IRAQ-war, not all wars. Whenever it is necessary to protect (really protect) our country and its people, we will go to war, yes. That means, among other things: Use our military to capture Osama, keep the Taliban from rising and taking back power in Afghanistan (which they have done with impunity since no military is stopping them), and do what we have to do to prevent more attacks, as recently happened in London. We are against more of our soldiers dying in the Iraqi civil war. We were always against Iraq because it wasn’t where the threat came from. And we’re against it today because, as all know, the threats are still coming, and they’re still not from Iraq. (Unless you’re US military in Iraq, of course.)
August 13th, 2006 at 3:00 pmThat makes me a Jewish anti Jewish liberal, I guess. The fact that we point out Joe Lieberman’s obvious and over-the-top asskissing of this president doesn’t somehow imply anti-semitism except, of course, in the small minds of those who agree with George and Joe. Frankly, I don’t gave a shit what they think. You’re loser Joe and the free ride is over. Go home and have a bagel.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:01 pmThat was a brilliant castration of Joe-O-P Lieberman and his Rove talking points. Since Joe’s declared himself an independent, Senate Dems should reconsider all of his committee appointments. Geez, did Jeffords get to keep his when he went from R-VT to I-VT?
Geez, why’d Russ have to say that McCain would win in a general presidential election, beating even him… Unless it’s just baiting the right wing fundies to turn on McCain before ‘07, that was a discouraging statement to any hopes of getting Russ to head teh Dem prez ticket.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:03 pmPS if anyone recalls it was King Ronny, who immediately after taking office cut the alternative energy development tax breaks for industry and individuals that all but killed new alternative energy development. And, it was also King Ronny that gave Saddam, through Rummy the mustard gas to fight off Iran.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:04 pmAhh, the evil webs we weave.
[…] Sen. Russ Feingold is clear, precise and stands up for what is right. It is for this reason that I think he has a real shot in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary. I believe that he says what other Democrats want to say, but forgot how to. From This Week: Stephanopoulos: “Senator Lieberman thinks that your approach will strengthen the terrorists and it’s a victory for terrorists. What’s your response?” […]
August 13th, 2006 at 3:30 pmFor the many supportive comments for Russ, I don’t think, at this time, he has plans to run. He reminds me of another Sen, from Wisconsin about 35 years or so ago. Renember?
August 13th, 2006 at 4:14 pmI will only vote for an anti-war candidate in 2008 elections > any Democrat who wants the nomination must talk the talk and walk the walk of pulling troops out of Iraq > that means Kerry is out, because he had his chance in 2004 and blew it > Hillary Clinton is out, because she still refuses to aknowledge that Iraq is a fiasco that never should have happened > Gore and Feingold are both good choices in 2008 { I prefer Gore, but he might not run for president again.}
August 13th, 2006 at 4:16 pmVote for Joe, Vote for freedom.
August 13th, 2006 at 5:48 pmWhat about Feingold and Murtha?
August 13th, 2006 at 5:56 pmJoe is trying to show that he isn;t a poll-driven politician–he is ego-driven, and can’t take an honest defeat graciuosly. As long as the Hank Scheinkopf types run the show from their safe (defeat-free, high-paying, values-neutral consultant jobs) perches, the Democratic Party is in serious trouble. Even Donna Brazile was (is) better than these little focus-group “generals” who continue to fall upstairs because, presumably, they are so good at the schmoozing part of their jobs that no one will give them the well-desrved axe. Going on with this namby-pamby temporizing and triangulation will net the Dems nothing. And as for all that talk from the Hanks about how ‘their’ candidates need to get in line with the national party management on every move or utterance they make, please let me refer them to their track record in the last ten years of constantly losing ground. No voter likes these operatchik candidates who carefully avoid controversail positions on such subjects as economic class, the ‘war’, the 911 commission, and numerous others. Let Hank run for office himself if he is such an asset to the party.
August 13th, 2006 at 6:22 pmThanks for the troll listing. The reason I don’t come here often is because sometimes it’s depressing to read all their shit. It upsets fair minded people. I’m mostly on DKos and I have noticed similarities in their spewing wingnut bs. I’ll keep you posted if I find anyone.
Kerry is definitively out as is Hillary. Pity about her, she would have made a good president but her stance on Iraq cancels that notion. And Kerry, well, he reminds me too much of the slow-talking Tree in Lord of the Rings.
August 13th, 2006 at 6:35 pmRe: #66 Comment by Fascinated by the stupidity. Just goes to show how stupid people are by your comment.
August 13th, 2006 at 6:48 pmruss feingold in ‘08;
barak obama in ‘16;
and (this will blow your mind) corey booker (of good old NJ) in ‘24!
you heard it here first, kids.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:23 pmRe #67 Sounds good, never happen, I have for some time now, think Clinton and Warner will be the dems ticket in 08. The repubs are touting Rudy and McCain, as well as Allen and Hagel, also Newtie. Frankly, most of my repub friends don’t have a clue and will not support Rudy or McCain, but will not vote or go Ind. Just remember no one had heard of Lamont 6 months ago.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:09 pmNY Times Loses Credibility…
Where is the journalistic integrity?
August 13th, 2006 at 8:31 pmI have now learned from Bill Keller, the executive editor, that The Times delayed publication of drafts of the eavesdropping article before the 2004 election. This revelation confirms what anonymous sources had t…..
Feingold speaks the truth unlike the majority of the craven Democrats. Why is it so difficult for the Democratic party as a whole to stand up to the nonsense propounded by the current Administration and its media enablers?
August 13th, 2006 at 8:35 pmTo this day there is absolutely NO salid evidence linking bin Laden OR AQ to the attack on 9/11…according to the FBI.
Therefore the question that begs for an answer is why did we invade Afghanistan in the first place if there was no solid evidence that AQ/bL were at fault?
60% of Americans do not believe the official story of 9/11 and there is damn good reason. The Bush administration knows EXACTLY what happened and who did it but they are not planning to tell us the truth about anything.
Do not forget, bin Laden used to be a CIA tool in Afghanistan…who says his (supposed) confession was not just another job for the CIA?
We have NOT A REALISTIC PEICE OF SOLID EVIDENCE that he actually did anything.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:36 pmIn his desperation, Lieberman’s using GOP fear mileage. It’s cheap and there was a time he was above that. A better man wouldn’t have done it. He needs to re-evaluate his motives and rein in his ambitions. Iraq and Hussein were not involved in 9/11. Osama Bin Laden and Hussein HATE each other. In fact, Hussein was keeping Iran from taking over the region, which is now unstable and weaker, just like we’re weaker. Iraq wants to take over its own security. The new government knows what Bush knows but won’t admit to the American people. The civil war there is escalating BECAUSE American troops are there.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:53 pmre #77 For months now we are being told so many stories about what is happening in Iraq. Facts are we are losing so much and this administration keeps saying [stay the course] How hard is it to admit this action in Iraq is and was wrong. How many more lives will it take?
August 13th, 2006 at 9:31 pmHere’s what scares me: people are not getting the full story. Many still believe there were WMD in Iraq. The media keeps the terrorism issue in the forefront and excludes any reports on the mainstream Iraqi people, the tragic toll in innocent Iraqi and Lebanese lives, and the OTHER side of the story about all the Arab nations and the displacement of people by Israel that started the whole stupid conflict.
August 13th, 2006 at 9:48 pmA good rule: DON’T believe anything that the media reports; they are just the toadies of the Bushies.
#76 bridge…
RIGHT!
and A LOT of people forget that bin laden initially denied any responsibility for the attacks. now, wasn’t this supposed to be his great master stroke of terrorism? so, why would he deny it?
and the “confession” tape is a forgery, which shows a right-handed, jewellery-wearing bin laden (he’s a left-handed devout muslim; wears no jewellery) — who clearly looks different than any other picture i’ve ever seen of obl.
August 13th, 2006 at 9:56 pmi think it’s funny how some people are just figuring out that lieberman is out for himself. i thought that was pretty clear in 2000 when he wouldn’t drop his senate bid and when he showed the passion of a wet noodle in his debate with cheney.
funny, he’ll basically accuse lamont, a fellow democrat, of aiding and abetting terrorists, but cheney gets the ‘esteemed colleague’ treatment. very collegial of the schmuck.
both joe and big dick can go to hell as far as i’m concerned.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:15 pmFeingold was very good this morning.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:49 pmAt this moment Ken Melonhead is on the MTP replay and he is grating on my ears with his repetitious words charging the Dems with weakness — the Repugs have NOTHING to offer the public EXCEPT fear. And fear is what they are peddling. Be afraid. We are strong. We are tough.
He is saying we can either “cut and run” or “win by adapting” WTF??
For those who say that the Dems are amti-Semites - not only do they not know their ass from a hole in the wall, but they would do well to acknowledge that a favorite Dem candidate is Feingold - a Jew.
#59, you picked up on the only comment I was dismayed to hear - that Feingold said he would lose to McCain. I suspect that he means he does not intend to run for president.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:52 pm#83. This is what I’ve been saying for a long time now Russ will not run in 08 and the dem ticket will be Clinton and Warner.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:02 amI’m sorry that Russ Feingold said Joe Lieberman is a good man and a good senator. He is neither. Lieberman is an ego-maniac and has talked the Bush talk far too often. He’s a traitor to the Democratic Party. A US Senator should be loyal to this country, and not so closely tied to another - in this case Israel. Israel seems to be his top priority. Goodbye Joe, You gotta go.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:22 amIf the DLC Democrats rig the primary elections for Sen. Hillary Clinton, in 2008, then there will be the biggest fight against her from progressives that has ever occured in history! We will not allow another shill like Sen. Kerry to get the nomination and then to lose to another warmonger Republican like Sen. McCain! It’s time to fight like sons-of-bitches against the GOP and DLC!
August 14th, 2006 at 1:50 amJoe Lieberman thinks that a timeline for troop redeployment in IRAQ will motivate potential terrorists in ENGLAND to come up with a new plan? That they will somehow be stronger? And then he says that they will “strike again”?!? Ummm… first of all, ‘They’ won’t be doing anything, except rot in jail. And I’d like him to explain what he is talking about when he says they will be ’stronger’. What does he know about them? What is he basing this ‘insight’ of his on? But it is his “strike again” comment that really fries my rice. What is this “AGAIN” crappola? They did not strike at ALL, so how could they strike again? If Lieberman thinks that lying is the only way to win the election, that is pretty messed up. He does not care about America, he cares about Joe, and hanging on to Joe’s job. Yeah, what WERE those Connecticut Democrats thinking anyway? Choosing Ned Lamont, when they could had Joe instead.
August 14th, 2006 at 3:06 amNovember Predictions:
Another Al Qaeda Attack
Another Bin Laden Video
Another Rigged Election
Another Republican Sponsored Supreme Court Decision
August 14th, 2006 at 3:08 am#85 I think RuFi was being polite when he said Lieberman was a good guy and a good senator. Perfectly senatorial, if you ask me. Also, “I like X. He’s a good guy. But…” is a classic setup for a slam. So don’t worry about it.
August 14th, 2006 at 6:11 amO man I wish I could apply that quote to somebody, I guess I will have to make it my new tag line
August 14th, 2006 at 8:12 amMahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, has started a blog.
http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/
In his first entry Ahmadinejad wrote about his childhood, the country’s Islamic revolution and Iran’s war with Iraq.
The blog also asks readers to participate in an online poll which asks if they think the United States and Israel are “pulling the trigger for another world war”.
The blog is translated into English, French and Arabic.
August 14th, 2006 at 8:14 amWhat a refreshing soundbyte from Russ Feingold, and something rare in a time when “breaking ranks” may garner the speaker some form of punishment you’d see in The Godfather.
Lierberman, meanwhile, sounds like the GOP/Gestapo. He has completely lost his mind. A victory for the terrorists??? Outrageous, morally bankrupt and intellectually constipated, he might as we be an independent if this is the pretzel logic he is relying upon.
I expect him to echo Bush’s tragically laughable, “they’re terrorists…if we don’t fight them over there, we’d be fighting them over here” comment any day now.
That these war-mongerers can keep misidentifying the enemy–purposely–and get away with it in this day and age of information is amazing.
August 14th, 2006 at 8:29 amQuestion….
what in the world has Rudy Giuliani done to garner such lofty talk about being president? Please. Explain it to me. I can understand McCain–the guy should run and should be taken as a war hero (who would hopefully correct the errors of the monsters in office), but Giuliani> A big zero who profits by being in office and making big ‘gipper-like’ speeches at the time of 9/11.
Please. Is this the best the GOP has to offer. Why not fix another election–this one for for Jeb-, instead?
August 14th, 2006 at 8:32 am91# Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, has started a blog.
http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/
The reason I give you this URL is so that the trolls can be cut to pieces with logic and show Ahmadinejad the mentality of 48% of american arseholes
August 14th, 2006 at 8:41 am#84, Iy,
Hill’reh’s negatives, even among her own party, are too high to win any nomination. Right now, my guess is Al Gore with Barack Obama.
August 14th, 2006 at 9:06 amIt may be good strategy for Feingold to say that “right now” he does not have enough support to defeat McCain. Translation: “Hey everyone, should I run? Will you be involved in my campaign? Can you send money?”
I like the troll list. Elsewhere I also suggested a “troll argument” list (Clinton’s fault, it’s my money, etc) to post early in the thread in order to get the talking points out of the way and dismiss them.
August 14th, 2006 at 9:34 amI am truly amazed and the complete lack of humanity shown here. You people are far more viscious and warlike then any Bush supporter. Frankly I dont like ANY of the politicians and think we should throw them all out. We would do better to put everyone’s name in a hat and draw the requisite number for each state and simpy do that every election year from this time forth. I mean really, they couldn’t do a worse job then what we have now.
That being said, have any of you ever met Joe Lieberman? While I dont agree with him on a lot of issues, I will sasy that he is gentleman enough to listed to people he doesnt’ agree with, and debate with people without resorting to the viscious ridicule and hyperbole I see posted here.
People calling others names along with outright lies being posted here.. No WMD’s? I am not sure where you got your information, they found mustard gas, serin (sp) nerve agent, chemical warheads and more. Not sure what you wanted to find, but I am quite sure that the mustard gas found by itself falls into that category.
Now that I have said all this, let the attacks begin. I envision a pack of frothing at the mouth red eyed terrors, just waiting to attempt to point out little bits and pieces of what they dont like about my post, and I welcome it. If you cannot have a discussion without becoming a rabid dog, then our worst fears are realized. . .
August 14th, 2006 at 11:32 amDouglas > whatever > have a nice day > lol.
August 14th, 2006 at 11:40 amThe world yearns for statesmen and not more politicians.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:23 pmPoliticians are too concerned about special interests and profits and power.
Have you seen a statesman lately?
…….america is to blame….blah blah blah….america is to blame….blah blah blah…..Bush is the devil…..blah blah….Rove will eat you babies if you give him the chance……blah blah blah….WE planned 9/11…blah blah blah….All the hurricanes and other natural occuring weather patterns have been caused within the past six years…blah blah blah…..Religion=Satan….blah blah blah…..terrorism is not as big of a problem as most people think…blah blah blah….Cheney’s daughter is gay because he abused her….blah blah blah…..Gore won!!! Blah blah blah…..Kerry was defeated by a bunch of religious fanatics….blah blah blah……Cindy Sheehan should never be questioned….blah blah blah…..the main-stream media is in Bushs back pocket….blah blah blah….Saddam was running a tidy little country…..blah blah blah….Israel has over-reached……blah blah blah……the failure of american schools is all Bushs fault…..blah blah blah…….health care? Bushs fault…blah blah blah….social security? Bushs fault…..blah blah blah……sunburn on the beach?Bushs fault…blah blah blah…..speeding ticket?Bushs fault…….blah blah blah….constipation?Bushs fault….blah blah….blah….
I think I may have forgotten something….Did I say blah blah blah?
August 14th, 2006 at 12:43 pmMy humanity did not start an ill-conceived, unnecessary war. My humanity does not people their fundamental rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness because they are not like me. My humanity does not wrap a lie in the truth, like a spin sandwich, to give to people starved for information. My humanity does not permit character assassination. My humanity does not favor corporations over individuals. No “blah, blah, blah” in my humanity.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:52 pmMike, go back to your Play Station now and let mommy and daddy worry about the important things in life.
Doug, while I am in agreement with you regarding politicians, you shoot yourself in the foot here. Ousting Lieberman isn’t a step in the right direction?
Please spare me the ‘gentleman politician’ spiel. Here’s a guy that illustrated his graciousness in sounding like Dick Cheney after the people have spoken. When it gets down to it, he is part of the problem. Good riddance.
August 14th, 2006 at 1:05 pmWhen one only vote for a person because of one issue, then he/she is very narrow minded, A candidate such as Lamont is riding the dislike over IRAQ. What else does he offer? I dont hear anything. Those who support Lamont …please tell me what other things you admire of him?
August 14th, 2006 at 1:36 pmJoe Lieberman is a man who votes by his conscious, not by his fat check book, He is a bridge builder, not an extremist which will hinder congress from passing legislation.
SO WHO IS THE BETTER CANDIDATE? JOE LIEBERMAN
There are very few democrates with enough intelligence to know their ass from a hole in the ground. Joe Leiberman happens to have the above referenced intelligence. He knows along with most of the American people that you fight terrroists all over the globe. To bad most dumbocrats can’t be shipped out of the country along with all the muslims
August 14th, 2006 at 1:38 pmcobra, your racism and stupidity are showing. Have another joint, pal.
As for Lieberman, moderate misses the point. For the middle class, as long as politicians and the people vying for office are millionaires and billionaires, nothing will improve. To wit, the middle class is the largest segment of the population and as such, will pay the costs. From that angle alone, Lamont is no breath of fresh air.
Unfortunately, you fail to see the idea of a protest vote before you and that idea will only truly take hold if Lamont beats the republican AND Lieberman in the coming election. Your boy aligned himself with was mongerers. He aligned himself with the grotesque who flaunt the fact that they are lining their pockets through the auspices of “war”. He aligned himself with the increasingly unbelievable idea that Iraq is where the “war on terror” is being fought.
What kind of voter would you be if YOU did not vote your conscience in thinking that this “war” is no war at all but rather, an agenda pushed by a coward and his staff of cowards? Perhaps people are getting wise and seeing where the country is headed. What bridge was this man building by kissing the president in both a physical and figurative sense.
The man deserved to go…and hopefully, he’ll be followed very shortly by the likes of Rick Santorum and other traitors.
August 14th, 2006 at 1:46 pmPlease everyone, drop Lieberman from your talk and focus on Ned Lamont. Otherwise Joe is stil in the picture. Just drop him or he will prevail to be present in everyones mind. He’s just a republican shill.
So now talk up Ned Lamont, Joe Biden, Russ Feingold John Conyers. These are the names of democratic guts. Focus on where we want to go not where we were. We are not going back.
This nation will see an optomistic future if we all keep our “eyes on the donut and not the hole”.
August 14th, 2006 at 2:12 pmTalk Ned Lamont!
Cobra, it is people like you who also inflame others while performing no usefull service to humanity. “Ship all the dumbocrats”? That’s about as inane of a statement as one can make.
I think Lamont is going to lose his butt coming up. The primaries only had Democrats voting, and even then Lamont could not generate even a 10% lead. What happens when all the non party affiliated voters, and the republican voters weigh in. I think Joe Lieberman will win by a landslide, and allow the “ONEDER - One Hit Wonder) Lamont a smooth ride back home with nothing to show for his efforts. All we have seen from him is his dislike for Bush, and the war. Big deal. How does he plan to deal with it?
More so, who does he plan to work with, and what else does he plan to do, and how does he plan to accomplish it? I think going back to the drawing board with someone who can only spout rhetoric, with no way of accomplishing any goals is a FAR more dangerous choice than someone who agrees with Bush on 1 subject out of hundreds.
August 14th, 2006 at 2:31 pmJoe thinks of the election primary as a ‘race’–as in relay race.
August 14th, 2006 at 4:45 pmSo we see Joe passing the baton off to Joe, who has not rcognized that
he has been running in the wrong lane now skips off into the far right lane
with the decision making cheerleader and his dog Rove urging him on and the discordent band of Media honkers strick up their usual discordent tune.
Seems I forgot to mention the line of singing and dancing trolls
August 14th, 2006 at 5:12 pmdoing a humm along while doing a high kicking rendition of Dance to the Tune
of the ‘Pug Nation, as directed by the barking Rove. A stainge thing to see, Trolls
praising a politician of their opposition? Can it be that Joe is one of them?
Their own mole-Troll in the Senate. Who’d a thunk it?
As a CT Yankee who has met Lamont, I recognize the more State residents get to know him, the more they’ll like him. He, despite his wealth, is a “regular” guy, who can get his ideas across without sanctimony (like Joe) or brutalizing the English language (like Bush). Joe has stayed too long at the fair…he is “over.” There’s a new boy in town (to quote that 70’s hit) and his name is Ned.
August 14th, 2006 at 7:02 pm#104 You are right. There are very few Democrates as Greece is not a very large country. Offhand I can only think of one and although you could probably make a case for disagreeing with his philosophies of the ancient Greek but I doubt many people have ever called him less than intelligent.
August 14th, 2006 at 7:42 pmI think the Repulsive party has something on Joe. Could it be? Or Joe can’t handle rejection that badly that he is in utter denial. It was a shock to his system when he lost and he went into a denial state and can’t get over it.
August 14th, 2006 at 9:27 pmfeingold gets my vote
August 14th, 2006 at 9:40 pmdouglas g: lieberman had no passion as the vp candidate in 2000 and wouldn’t drop his senate bid - total self-interest. now that he’s threatened and might lose his senate plantation priveleges, look at his passion. again, total self-interest. i know all i need to know about holy joe.
furthermore, more dems will vote for lamont in the general election than in the primary (exit polls had the split at about 61-39, a gap i expect to widen). joe didn’t even win his home town — or his home precinct — not a good sign.
mike: it sounds as if you think this site is a waste of time. you’re certainly free to leave. to stick around and mock something that you think is useless would pretty much be the definition of idiocy.
incidentally, bush sucks. the harsh reality will dawn on you one day.
moderate: glad you’ve bought into the “lamont’s a rich, one-issue candidate” lark. lieberman could just as easily fit that bill. he outspent lamont 2-1 in the primary (which would pretty much nullify the “lamont’s buying a senate seat” argument), and the one issue as far as joe is concerned is “I MUST KEEP MY SENATE SEAT, VOTERS BE DAMNED”. lamont is running on national healthcare and education also.
i must add that i’m no democrat, but i certainly don’t want anyone building bridges with today’s republican party, who have shown clearly that they have no interest in reciprocating. in that respect, joe is merely the republicans’ useful idiot. we need an opposition that’s going to actually, you know, oppose. i am absolutely sick of the status quo.
a true moderate would want to negate the obvious rightward tilt our government has taken on in the last decade. just a reminder.
August 14th, 2006 at 9:43 pmYour war, Dumbo. You ship out.
August 14th, 2006 at 10:53 pmTo those who are feeling sorry for Joe Lieberman, and think that we are being too harsh with him. Don’t waste your time. As soon as Joe knew he had lost the primary, that he dumped the entire Democratic party, and announced his intention to run as an Independant candidate. Poof, just like that, he was over it. It’s all about “JOE”, and ‘JOE” wants to stay in the SENATE, and that is it. He will do whatever it takes, even changing parties. Buh-Bye!
August 15th, 2006 at 3:57 amHow can there be any spanning of different political persuasions with so much hate spewed all the time?
August 15th, 2006 at 8:28 amYou all seem to be all up in arms over “Joe’s” defeat. You realize of course, that Lamonst BARELY won, by less than 4% of the votes cast. In a general election, you will have MANY more people voting, and again I think Lamont ius going to get blown away. A victory of less than 11000 out of over 280000 viters is not that huge, especially when one considers that it does not include all the registered voters who will vote in the general election, and could not vote in the primaries due to party affiliation.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:28 amIt STILL boggles my mind that the neocons think Stephen Colbert is actually serious and one of them!
August 15th, 2006 at 2:18 pmWhat a bunch of MORONS, no wonder our country is going to shit with morons like them running things.
Never been here before, was bored and had read all of news and opinion I could digest in one day, but was vainly hoping for any news that Lieberman would do the honorable and honest thing and withdraw from the race. It’s nice to find a site where those I generally agree with are getting their voices together.
I agree with all those clamoring for Russ in ‘08 for all the same reasons: consistency, clarity, a functioning moral compass, courage. As far as the Senator from New York is concerned, an idyllic fantasy would be for the voters in that state that would have been Lamont voters to continue to develop the effective refutation of the Bush agenda that seems to be gaining clarity. One thing that it is no longer necessary to do is to use derogatory, satirical, and baiting speach. I know it’s hard to give up, they just make it so easy, and they make us all so angry. I’ve done plenty of it myself, and I’m trying to clean up my act.
It’s no longer necessary becuse the arguments that can be made are compelling, and the failure of the Administration and their supporters is becoming starkly obvious. (See, I could have said “enablers” there but that would be baiting.) In keeping with this mood I have a comment that I hope Senator Clinton would hear: I voted for your husband twice, I thought I understood you and I respected you for many years. You especially Senator, and I am a middle class middle-ged man. Now I no longer think I know you, and doubt what you say you believe in. You seem to triangulate your every opinion statement based on the latest polling, and you are never out front on any issue. If those who used to be your supporters no longer trust you, what chance do you think you really have of surviving the Republican campaign apparatus in 2008? I’ll tell you now with certainty and finality; zero to none.
Sorry to run on like this. A comment early on where I picked up this string made me aware that I completely missed the ancestral significance of “Feingold.” Is he Jewish? Who cares? His words and his actions have proven that he is a true patriot, and we hope that we also detect the emergence of a true statesman. Can anyone summarize Senator Feingold’s positions and votes on the decades old Israeli/Palestinian conflict?
Thanks for your patience.
August 16th, 2006 at 12:00 amTotal bullshit; Feingold is just another talking head for Israel and if you listen to him carefully he barfs the official party line of building up the troops in Afghanistan instead of Iraq. Feingold also lies about the real perps of 911 saying that he remembers they came from Afghanistan. Bullshit again; anyone with an IQ greater than a porch swing knows 911 was an inside job conducted by elements within the US military together with Mossad operatives. Americans are taking the heat for Israel’s crimes while their destiny is being determined by Jewish banksters and their media whore counterparts. Do the research; Feingold is on the payoff list from AIPAC; his latest bribe from Israel was $56,810. For readers interested in what’s really going on, get yourselves a copy of PNAC, Planks of the Communist Manifesto and Protocols of the Learned Zion Elders. It all fits into the Talmudists and Rothschild’s game plan. Welcome to the New World Disorder; it’s a disease that must be stopped.
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