Kristol: Cheney’s Claim That Lamont Win Helps ‘Al-Qaeda Types’ Is ‘Indisputably Correct’
Kristol: Cheney’s Claim That Lamont Win Helps ‘Al-Qaeda Types’ Is ‘Indisputably Correct’
Last week, Vice President Dick Cheney called Ned Lamont’s win in the Connecticut primary “disturbing” because “the al Qaeda types, they clearly are betting on the proposition that ultimately they can break the will of the American people in terms of our ability to stay in the fight and complete the task.”
Today on Fox News Sunday, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol called Cheney’s remarks “indisputably correct.” Kristol said that anyone who advocates redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq is helping al-Qaeda. Watch it:
Transcript:
WALLACE: Bill, after the events of this week — and I know you’re not going to like this question — but can you argue that the working class neighborhoods in Britain are a bigger threat to the United States than what happens in Baghdad?
KRISTOL: No. Look, there are lots of threats. It is a global war. The Bush administration, I think, is deeply correct about this. And what you do on one front affects what happens on the other front. Cheney’s statement is indisputably correct. It doesn’t mean that Ned Lamont likes al Qaeda or wants al Qaeda to win. But the notion that a retreat in Iraq would not embolden terrorists elsewhere in the Middle East, and terror recruiters in the suburbs of London, is ludicrous. Of course it would. Now, if you want to say we should get out of Iraq anyway because we can’t win and this is the price we have to pay, fine. But it’s just factually true that our pulling out of Iraq will be bad for us in the global war on terror.
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Read Ron Suskind's book. Bin Laden indisputably wanted Bush reelected.
No argument even. Bin Laden loves having the predictable Bush in power. Kristol is just wrong. But of course they can't admit the truth, to the country or themselves.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:46 amBill Kristol is such a smug, partisan hack I can't even hear what he's saying anymore. I just hear the sound of a baby with a soiled diaper crying instead.
The neocons are afraid. The spin and propaganda are getting more and more absurd.
Fortunately, the 20% that will support them no matter what do not constitute a majority.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:48 amPlunger posting the same bloated diatribe on multiple topics on the same blog site is inconsiderate. I understand the desire but how about shortening it up, and don't past the exact same LONG LONG LONG post in multiple threads please.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:56 amkristol is certifiably insane but allowed to wander the halls of Faux news for therapy
August 13th, 2006 at 10:57 amPut your azz where your mouth is Billy! Go to Iraq and KILL all Al Qaeda types, you horses ass!
August 13th, 2006 at 10:58 amAnd that's why Bill Kristol is in the military, because he knows better than our military commanders, who now all follow the President's orders but are saying overtly and active duty members as delicately as possible - they want out!
August 13th, 2006 at 10:58 amField Mouse, I mean Field Marshall Bill Kristol will fight the terrorists tooth and nail from his air-conditioned offices at the American Enterprise Institute.
-GSD
August 13th, 2006 at 11:02 amThat's right. And Ned Lamont is on FOX this morning. Proboably because of direct orders from the DLC.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:04 amAnother FOX Democrat resigned to a career of fending off slanderous remarks from FOX people on FOX news shows on FOX terms.
It may be best if TP stops posting anything that Bill Kristol has to say. His political views have been widely discredited and contain no rational thought or evidence of a reasoning process. They just become blind rallying cries for trolls.
The fact is that the policies of these war mongers have been Al Quaida's, and all other extremists best friends. If anything emboldens terrorists, it is to be able to use an Imperialist argument or the death of innocents to recruit more sympathy and fighters to their causes.
Kristol knows this -- it is the same tactic that neocons have used for decades to enlist sympathy for their extremist positions. Fear, terror - we need drastic action to protect you; it's a good-evil world; if you disagree/you are the enemy; only we can protect you ......and on and on and on. If the reasoning weren't so diabolically bankrupt, it would be boring.
There are thousands of times more terrorists and terrorist sympahizers today than there were pre- 2003. The law enforcement and intelligence sides of the "war on terror" (which is not seamless) will be severly tested over the next several decades. At least decades are needed to change and improve the relationship of the US in the world. The US still has most of it's WWII allies, because they remember a different country. However, attacking innocents and enabling Israel to do the same (or even world impression of such), delays any improvement.
The campaign message regarding terrorism and foreign policy needs to be - "Here are the X ways that we can diminish terrorism worldwide." Anyone know of politicians campaigning on this theme?
August 13th, 2006 at 11:15 amKristol and Cheney:
It takes a dickhead to know a dickhead
August 13th, 2006 at 11:20 am
80) of the War on Terror is and has always been just one facet of the War on Liberals. The logic goes like this: onservatives don't like terrorists. Conservatives don't like liberals or moderates. Therefore, liberals and moderates must be held in the same contempt as terrorists.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:25 amNuts. should have read "80 percent"
August 13th, 2006 at 11:26 amA fair election in Connect-ticut is a step backwards. Ned Lamont has the blood of murkan soldiers on his hands, not Bill Kristol?
Tell me another one. jeesh louise
Parts of America are looking third world now, best to get out of Iraq before it all is.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:29 amThe power of nightmares are keeping American chicken littles frozen in fear. The FUD machine of the media which is part of US corporatism is working well. Honest capitalism died back in the middle 1800s. Power and weath will continue to move into ever smaller groups of more powerful industries and individuals.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:29 amKristol is another rightwingnut pseudo intellectual. I have known first-graders who were brighter, and sharper than this turd.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:29 amI hope you realize that by posting comments here expressing dissatisfaction with the current administration you too could be considered an "Al Qaeda type." This one subtle semantic change broadens the scope of the War on Terror to not just a war against Iraq and Al Qaeda, but against anyone who can now be labled an "Al Qaeda Type." These individuals can now be found in the suburbs of London, in the inner cities of the United States and will soon be deemed to exist in the "Left-Wing Liberal Extremist Blogosphere."
August 13th, 2006 at 11:31 amDavid I love that inductive reasoning!!!
August 13th, 2006 at 11:32 amCharactarizing points as "indisputably correct", when they are in fact debatable at best: that's the way college sophomores debate in the dorm at 2 in the morning after their 5th or 6th Old Milwaukee. One over 30 who uses the phrase just might be a wanker.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:33 amIrving Kristol and son, William and the rest of the PNAC facilitators of terror are indoctrinated in Leo Strauss's ideal that the masses must be kept under control by fear and heavy handed policing organizations. I would highly recommend people to research these people (PNAC signatories) and you will understand why the US is no. 1 in incarceration, prison population, sucide, teen pregnancy... American people don't seem to understand that the Iron Fist of the police state is closing in on them until they loose their job or come back from war and find no support and ever shrinking benefits progams. Money that could be spent on education and working with other nations as foreign policy that was the hallmark of the US until President Ford, has since been moved to a vast money pit of militarism and privatization of even our water resources in public lands.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:39 am“Al Qaeda Type.†These individuals can now be found in the suburbs of London, in the inner cities of the United States and will soon be deemed to exist in the “Left-Wing Liberal Extremist Blogosphere.â€
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — August 13, 2006 @ 11:31 am
Count me in, because sometimes I'd like to kill these people:-(
August 13th, 2006 at 11:42 amCould an Internet savy individual find the Kristol quote just before the war where he said something to the effect that the Sunis and Shiites will get along just fine after the fall of Iraq. Al Franken played it a few times on his show yesterday.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:43 amOsama is laughing his azz off right now. Cheney made it soooo easy for him with the half wit comment he made.
Osama can say, "Yes VP Cheney is correct. America is not behind the President anymore. We have won."
Or he could say, "Of course that is a ridiculous statement. The loss for Lieberman is merely a statement about the Bush administration. They are, as the world has seen over the past six years, incompetent. Now America sees it."
Cheney needs to take a vacation...a two year vacation. And take Bush and Rumsfeld with him.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:44 am#26
August 13th, 2006 at 11:45 amYeah, thinkprogress. If you find the quote and post it I will link it everywhere. Kristol will be sooooo proud.
Ken Melmhan the RNC chair is on Meet the Press relentlessly pushing dems are weak on security. It is pretty much all they have. The best line though was when he said this isn't a choice between cut and run or stay the course, this is a choice between cut and run and fight and adapt. Just what the Dems have been saying for the last 4 years.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:52 amLet's say by some miracle we "succeed" in Iraq and set up a working democracy. Will that be the end of terrorism? What if we convert all the Arab nations? We still were attacked by an AMERICAN in Oklahoma City. Their whole argument makes no sense and never has. There are always going to be malcontents no matter what and the way to deal with them is individually.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:58 am"But the notion that a retreat in Iraq would not embolden terrorists elsewhere in the Middle East, and terror recruiters in the suburbs of London, is ludicrous. Of course it would." Five years on and we still don't have an answer to why "terror recruiters" find people "in the suburbs of London" amendable to the idea of terror. One could take Kristol's argument and say that the situation in Iraq, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the UK and US's continued support for un-representative repressive governments, etc. is making the "terror recruiters" jobs easier. We really need to address the big question, why are university educated, family men from the middle and working classes in the UK and elsewhere finding al Qaeda's message appealing? One reason we don't really ask that question is because answering it might mean that we have to alter or modify our behaviour (gasp!).
August 13th, 2006 at 12:03 pmmmmm...No. Still dont care.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:03 pmThe response to Melmhan should be straightforward. The US killed over 100,000 up to millions of Iraqis and the Iraqi people rightly or wrongly blame the US. Israel blows up Lebanon and the rest fo the Arab world rightly or wrongly blames the US. Continuing to kill Arabs in the Middle East is the cause of generating terrorists, they want to punish the US - so how is killing MORE arabs "winning"?
August 13th, 2006 at 12:04 pmAs has been pointed out, Kristol has been so indisputably correct so far, how can we not believe him? God, I'm tired of these jerks.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:05 pmName a single thing that Bill Kristol has been right about on the war in Iraq?
August 13th, 2006 at 12:16 pmKristol is a criminal Neocon who either must be arrested or deported to Israel ASAP!
August 13th, 2006 at 12:17 pmbein president of america and a group of middle eastern terrorists at the same time is just like bein a double knot spy! -- George W Bush, double knot spy
August 13th, 2006 at 12:18 pmAssholes like Kristol needn't worry about "al Qaeda types" breaking the will of the American people. Republicans are doing the job just fine.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:21 pmKristol:
Blah, blah, blah, stupid stuff, blah, blah, blah, blah, crazy stuff, blah, blah, blah, complete incompetence, blah, blah, blah..........
August 13th, 2006 at 12:24 pmKristol and Cheney are part of the neocon cabal who lied to the american people to engage in their geo-political war games in attacking iraq. No one should believe anything coming out of mouths of these criminals. I would prefer that the media not provide any platform for these jokers and ignore them...or better yet, put them in jail to protect america and rest of the humanity.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:24 pmWhat Kristol is really saying here, then, is that the fact that we even started this war has emboldened terrorists globally.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:25 pmIf al Qaeda had an Awards Night, George W. Bush would get a trophy for greatest recruiter for the movement.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:28 pmI bet you people like Cheney and Kristol actually would like another terroristic attack, and may even permit it knowingly, on the U.S. so that they can carry out the rest of neo-con agenda in the guise of protecting america.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:29 pmKristol: "Let's sit here and spend as much time as we can talking about Joe Lieberman. That way, it's time we don't have to spend talking about my neocon fiasco Iraq--the debacle I so vehemently advocated for--you know, WMD and all that nonsense. I was wrong about Iraq, I was wrong about freedom on the march, and I was wrong about peace in the Middle East. Do you sometimes wonder why talk shows keep bringing me on-air when I am WRONG WRONG WRONG about EVERYTHING?"
August 13th, 2006 at 12:29 pmOBL's greatest ally in this country is sitting in the White House.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:31 pmI respectfully diagree with Mr. Kristol.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:34 pmThat said, I wish he would fold up his circus tent as see if he can shove it up where the sun don't shine.
RUCerious,
I'm impressed you could squeeze in any level respect. :)
August 13th, 2006 at 12:36 pmour presence in Iraq is helping Al Qaeda. ITS INDISPUTABLE.
Bush is responsible for assisting Al Qaeda, that makes him a terrorist and a traitor!
August 13th, 2006 at 12:45 pmWell AlQeada is Sunni... AlQeadas leader Osama comes from Sunni Saudi Arabia. Wahhabism is the Sunni radical version of Islam that Osama and his followers learned in SAUDI ARABIA under the Saudis official clerics and their official religion. Osamas staunchest supporters come from Saudi Arabia to help Osama and they go to Iraq to kill Americans.
While these NeoCons have some kind infactuation with Iran and the Sunni branch of Islam they completely PROTECT the Sunni branch Wahhabism even though they are the ones that attacked America on 911.
It looks to me the NeoCons have been aiding and protecting AlQeada but diverting America away from the source of the Wahhabism... What would you call an American that when you are trying to chase down the terrorists and you ask this American which way did the terrorist go and he says FROM THE WEST ... when he knows damn well that they came from the EAST? .... a traitor .... someone that protects the enemy by deceiving those in pursuit.
IF the democrats force a pull out of Iraq and then do NOTHING after that then that would be helping AlQeada. IF the democrats follow up the Iraq pull out with renewed efforts on getting AlQeada and a real long term solution to dry up the source of the terrorism then it will be a win for America.
The NeoCon appraoch to this fight is WAR... well if that is the appraoch then go all out WAR and wipe these assholes out... and just accept that it will be genocide. If you are unwilling to do that then you should not wage war at all. If America treated WAR in WWII like it was just a big game of Chess then we would have lost. In WWII we chose WAR and we went all out WAR until the enemey was dead by the millions. THAT is how you do war. NeoCon war is just Israeli style tit for tat revenge cycle. The NeoCon plan is NO plan... just reactionary profiteering.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:51 pmBill Kristol does what he does because he can't function as a productive human being in society. He's not a scholar, he's not an educator. He's a propagandist for an ideology he made up and spends all his time spreading because he doesn't want to do honest work for a living.
August 13th, 2006 at 12:52 pmIf al Qaeda had an Awards Night, George W. Bush would get a trophy for greatest recruiter for the movement.
Comment by Zooey — August 13, 2006 @ 12:28 pm
He. You know I am watching, do you?
August 13th, 2006 at 12:59 pmZooey - I try my best to keep it civil. To a point. It's hard sometimes, when these idiots utter trash like they do. Happy Sunday!
August 13th, 2006 at 12:59 pmWhy am I being censored?
This comment appeared at #47 and was gone shortly afterwards.
Kristol is 100% right. Withdrawing the troops from Iraq is a non-option, but not because it would bolster anti-American terrorism, but because the experiment has failed. What was once Iraq is now a violent uranium-infested mess, ungovernable for decades to come.
Saddam ruled with an iron fist because he had to. The reasons are simple - some 90 years ago, Britain and France basically demolished the whole region using rulers and a map. Imagine if some God-like entity came to the U.S. and said: “From now on, California shall be part of Mexico, and Texas shall be an independent country ruled by Native Americans.†What would California and Texas turn in to? Right, a violent ungovernable mess.
Saddam was also more effective at instilling fear in his people than the amateur nation builders in Washington are. Watching Kristol and Cheney desperately trying to establish a link between the war in Iraq and the shadowy phantom that is Al Qaeda is pathetic.
So, the troops cannot leave.
But they cannot stay there, either, because that would be bad for elections? Hmm, what was the word again? Right, it is a DILEMMA! Congratulations to the American people and its electorate. You break it, you own it.
Naturally, this nonsense about “breaking the will of the American people†is not worth mentioning. Cheney neither represents nor gives a damn about the will of the American people or the opinion of its majority. Greatest democracy in the world, right? Surely you’re joking.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:02 pmP.S. to #53: I had used the f-word and removed it now. Is there a policy here that disallows certain words?
August 13th, 2006 at 1:09 pmHe. You know I am watching, do you?
Comment by Juan C
I'd watch, too, Juan, even though I can't stand the sight of him. Every time I see GWB, he's dripping with blood.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:09 pmThe reasons are simple - some 90 years ago, Britain and France basically demolished the whole region using rulers and a map.
Comment by Gleichschalter — August 13, 2006 @ 1:02 pm
That reminds me another european breaking in situation. MMM...would this be a pattern?
Once, Hutus and Tutsis lived in harmony in Central Africa. About 600 years ago, Tutsis, a tall, warrior people, moved south from Ethiopia and invaded the homeland of the Hutus. Though much smaller in number, they conquered the Hutus, who agreed to raise crops for them in return for protection.
Even in the colonial era -- when Belgium ruled the area, after taking it from Germany in 1916 -- the two groups lived as one, speaking the same language, intermarrying, and obeying a nearly godlike Tutsi king.
Independence changed everything. The monarchy was dissolved and Belgian troops withdrawn -- a power vacuum both Tutsis and Hutus fought to fill. Two new countries emerged in 1962 -- Rwanda, dominated by the Hutus, and Burundi by the Tutsis -- and the ethnic fighting flared on and off in the following decades.
It exploded in 1994 with the civil war in Rwanda in which hundreds of thousands of Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed. Tutsi rebels won control, which sent a million Hutus, fearful of revenge, into Zaire and Tanzania.
In Burundi, the Tutsis yielded power after a Hutu won the country's first democratic election in 1993. He was killed in an attempted coup four months later, and his successor in a suspicious plane crash in 1994, in which the Hutu leader of Rwanda was also killed.
Oh, and who provides weapons to all of them?
August 13th, 2006 at 1:11 pmWhy am I being censored?
This comment appeared at #47 and was gone shortly afterwards.
Lately, Gleichschalter, everytime I drop the F-bomb, and I drop it a lot, I get deleted. If you use this cute little thing "f*ck" you might not get deleted. TP has no sense of humor for potty mouths anymore.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:12 pmZoo. What do you on sundays? Are there any parks or something there? What do people do there on weekends?
August 13th, 2006 at 1:13 pmCould it be that Billy is so "INDISPUTABLY BIASED" that he no longer is able to put together a rational and coherent thought. Oooops I forgot, he was probably following the Rovian talking points.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:18 pmAn evil symbiosis does exist between Muslim terrorists and American politicians, but it is not the one Republicans describe. The jihadists need George W. Bush to sustain their cause. His bloody crusade in the Middle East bolsters their accusation that America is out to destroy Islam. The president has unwittingly made himself the lead recruiter of willing young martyrs.
More to the point, it is equally true that Bush desperately needs the terrorists. They are his last frail hope for political survival. They divert public attention, at least momentarily, from his disastrous war in Iraq and his shameful abuses of the Constitution. The "news" of terror--whether real or fantasized--reduces American politics to its most primitive impulses, the realm of fear-and-smear where George Bush is at his best.
So, once again in the run-up to a national election, we are visited with alarming news. A monstrous plot, red alert, high drama playing on all channels and extreme measures taken to tighten security.
The White House men wear grave faces, but they cannot hide their delight. It's another chance for Bush to protect us from those aliens with funny names, another opportunity to accuse Democrats of aiding and abetting the enemy.
This has worked twice before. It could work again this fall unless gullible Americans snap out of it. Wake up, folks, and recognize how stupid and wimpish you look...... >Fear and Smear
August 13th, 2006 at 1:18 pmHi Juan,
Sunday is normally my "day off." It's the day I do whatever I feel like doing. Take my dog for a long walk, go for a little hike and take pictures, or hang out in my jammies and watch DVDs. I get groceries before the "good" people get out of church. Today is not a normal Sunday, later today I have to go to my youngest sister's house for a cookout, in honor of my middle sister and her kids visit from Texas. My youngest sister doesn't like me much, and she has 5 badly behaved dogs. Not looking forward to it. :(
What do you do on your Sundays?
August 13th, 2006 at 1:19 pmThe problems of the world can and should be laid at the feet of the Swiss.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:22 pmHaving proclaimed their sissy "neutrality", and failed to support America's imperial quest to proclaim the spread of democracy through the use of military action, thay alone are to blame for it's failure.
We must now face the truth. The invasion and overthrow of the tyrannical Swiss government is our only hope.
Only then will the terrorists realize that no one on the planet is safe from the march of Freedumb.
Mr. Kristol, one thing about the will and resolve of the American people is that we elect whoever we damn well please to represent us. Do you think the entire state of Connecticut has gone pro-Al Qaeda now? Shove off.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:23 pmWe already have some of the top al qaeda brass in custody who have confirmed bin laden's leadership (under torture in some cases) in the 9/11 plot. We have direct links from al qaeda to the hijackers. So let's not distract ourselves with conspiracy theories from the real elephant in the room-- Kristol and Lieberman's insistance that we are somehow preventing global terrorism by reducing a once secular country to an Islamic fundementalist free for all. Make no mistake about it, the bloodbath in Iraq is inspiration to young Muslims in the UK, and everywhere else in the world for that matter.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:26 pmIt is hard to talk about someone like Bill Kristol without using the F word. I hold Kristol in utter contempt. I no longer even regard him as a human being. Likewise for Ann Coulter and her ilk.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:26 pmMy youngest sister doesn’t like me much, and she has 5 badly behaved dogs. Not looking forward to it. :(
Comment by Zooey — August 13, 2006 @ 1:19 pm
You know? I kind of noticed when you said: I have to go...instead of I will go or Im going ... I dont like family reunions. NOt a fond of home guy, I guess. Oh, I love my family by the way. :)
What do you do on your Sundays?
August 13th, 2006 at 1:30 pmSundays are the days when I can sleep until past 9:00 am, so its good. Today just watched Liverpool-Chelsea soccer match...boring. And, if didnt go out with my girlfriend on saturday, she will aske me to go to the movies or out to have dinner. In the morning, we (friends and I) play soccer and then, we just drive around drinking beer. (Its the only day where I allow myself to go back to puberty) And I get home before 7:00 pm to read school stuff or read news...you know, a lazy bag. ;)
Plunger is what's needed after you flush twice and there's still particle feces floating in the bowl.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:32 pmBill Kristol's indisputably a peckerhead. I didn't see any al Qaeda types last Tuesday night sporting blue fingers, did you guys?
Anyway, while Frank Rich is on vaca, Nicholas Kristof tells us how we're talking to evil.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:32 pmLet's play "Connect the Dots":
(Repost, because you should know)
1. Plame outing ==> BULLSHIT YELLOWCAKE STORY
2. B.S. YC S ==> Other bullshit WMD stories
3. O. B.S. WMD S==> 9/11
4. 9/11 ==> PNAC
5. PNAC ==> Adolescent world domination fantasy. READ ABOUT IT HERE:
http:// http://www.newamericancentury.or...ionsreports.htm
Now, the PNAC report you want to start with is the one entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century". Here is an excerpt that should be of particular interest. It appears on page 51, left column, paragraph two:
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."
Actually, all of page 51 is of special interest. Especially the part about controlling space and cyberspace.
But most importantly, what luck! They got just such a catalyzing, catastrophic event on September 11, 2001, just months after returning to power! (Read below the history of the personnel in this administration) Now, couple that with what you can read here. . .
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/new.../ northwoods.pdf (More on this important document below)
Here is a great site that will give you any details you want to know about the people at PNAC
http://www.oldamericancentury.or...ry.org/ pnac.htm
And to watch a video that explains PNAC in simple terms, click here
http://www.oldamericancentury.or...g/ barrysays.wmv
for a Quicktime version of this video, click here
http://www.knife-party.net/flash...lash/ barry.html
"PNAC is not America. They are the radical, idealistic, terrorists who have hijacked it, and are well on their way to completely destroying it. Not in the empty rhetorical way that conservatives have been shreiking about "liberals are ruining America", I mean the actually systematic destruction of Americas image, military, economy, environment, constitution, educational system, workers rights, manufacturing industry, future, the list goes on and on. And it isn't conservatives who are responsible for this destruction. It's just this group of radicals within the conservative camp." ShifterX@Spock'sBeard
ALL OF THESE EVENTS ARE TIED TOGETHER. THE TRAIL OF BLOOD AND GORE LEADS DIRECTLY TO DICK CHENEYBURTON AND THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING AND "INVESTMENT" COMMUNITY THAT PROFITS DIRECTLY BY THE MISERY OF OTHERS.
The United States has a three-part manifest for bringing smaller nations under its thrall.
First, an "economic" approach is attempted. The nation is offered a ridiculously high, mega-interest loan that it can never, ever pay off. As a condition to the loan, the nation agrees to "privatize" all of its industries and eliminate social programs, thereby promptly disenfranchising and impoverishing a majority of its population.
Second if that doesn't work, then a coup is attempted, usually with the assistance of friendly locals.
Third if neither one nor two above works, then an all-out military invasion is staged.
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins.
During the Eisenhower administration, the U.S. attempted to oust newly installed Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, who had destroyed and displaced the U.S. puppet Batista regime. Oh, how they hate Fidel.
Fidel rejected the "free (uhm I mean "rigged") market capitalism" and "free trade" policies of the U.S. He recognized how terrible they were for the vast majority of people. Fidel refused U.S. aid; refused a loan, which of course, set plan "B" into action. Obviously, the many attempts that have been made covertly to depose Fidel over the last 70 years have failed abysmally.
During Kennedy's administration, efforts were made to drum up American support for Option "C" -- an all-out invasion of Cuba. First, there were a series of strange hijackings of commercial airliners, by Cuban nationals who had escaped from Castro's Cuba. Yet now, for some inexplicable reason (never given of course) they were hijacking American airliners and demanding to be flown to Havana!
These hijackings failed to engender sufficient American support to justify war with Cuba. Though there was a contingency plan, which contemplated escalating these "terror" attacks.
You can find it in a document called "Operation Northwoods".
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/new.../ northwoods.pdf
Fortunately, the Kennedy administration never was crazy enough to go to the extremes advocated in the Northwoods document; Johnson and Nixon had Vietnam. But Chimpy? What did he have? Questionable legitimacy; a failed economy; 45 million uninsured for health care; 25% of the population of the Land of the Free IN PRISON; extreme unpopularity; no ideas; growing discontent and then....
VOILA! a catalyzing, catastrophic event
Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, et. al., ALL OF WHOM WERE INVOLVED (and behind) IN THE WOULD-BE IMPERIAL NIXON ADMINISTRATION (as well as Reagan and Bush I) had access to Operation Northwoods documents. You can see how it starts to come together, but you have to look at this thing as an operation that spans decades, not just the few years since they came to power.
THIS IS A PLAN OF DECADES COMING TO FRUITION: TO CREATE A CORPORATE THEOCRACY WHERE A SERVANT CLASS PROVIDES LABOR TO THE FILTHY RICH IN EXCHANGE FOR ROOM, BOARD AND MINIMUM HEALTH CARE (got to keep the slaves alive)
Why hasn't it come to fruition yet? PNAC's plan for world domination isn't working out how they had planned because it was delayed by about 8 years. They were counting on a second term for Bush the elder. 9/11 likely would have taken place on September 11, 1993, 20 years to the day of Nixon's Chilean coup (see Plan "B" above) During this time of course, Bush Sr. was CIA director. The CIA is the agency that carries out these black ops on behalf of the U.S. Also On September 11, 1991 Bush Sr. first announced the onset of The New World Order.
However, they did not count on H. Ross Perot gumming up the works in '92. He split the conservative vote and thwarted the Bush Sr.'s second term.
These guys went though Watergate....hell they cut their teeth on it. They learned from Watergate that the press had to be controlled. So they spent the next 40 years buying up media. That's why the mass media is a marketing and advertising tool instead of a legitimate journalistic enterprise.
And, in light of 1992 and 1996, in 2000 they made sure the pesky choice of American voters wouldn't thwart them again . . . they have DieBold now.
HOWEVER:
Like all short-sighted, live-for-the-moment and care about only immeidate profit and gain corporate asshats, their solutions are/were not far-reaching enough.
MEDIA CONTROL HAS NOT WORKED:
If Bush Sr. had been reelected, it is unklikely that we would have the internet, at least in it's current form, and frankly the net is the biggest reason this group is having so much trouble. They control all the mainstream press (making an adjustment from another mistake, when they tried to establish an imperial presidency under Nixon), but the net let's people circumnavigate the newscasters and find out what's really going on in the world. Thank you H. Ross Perot!!!:D However, BEWARE! They want to control the internet TOO and they are already dreaming up numerous bullshit reasons to do it.
DIEBOLD WORKED IN 2000 AND 2004 BUT WON'T WORK AGAIN
The sheeple are on to these paperless black boxes and many jurisdictions are simply refusing to use them. Also several state legislatures have begun to enact or draft rules governing access to voting equipment before during and after a vote, as well as making efforts to distribute access more evenly.
It is extremely unlikely that another rigged vote will work because there is no basis for the media to claim that the choice of the American people is "evenly divided". If anything the lie has been given to that claim, particularly in light of "meat" issues like Schiavo that have demonstrated that these fringe lunatics are still in the extreme, even if they have bought and cheated their way into power.
But the point is, the delay in the execution of their evil plot by the intervening Clinton terms forced them to reach to fast and too far to make up for lost time when they finally got back into power in 200. Though it would have been much easier to connect Saddam's Iraq to 9/11 if it had happened on schedule, just 2 years removed from the Gulf War, they did not have that advantage any longer. Such a tenable connection would have made it easier to build a stronger coalition to invade and secure Iraq.
Instead, they got arrogant, sloppy and desperate.
IN FACT, they have already planned the next 9/11 attack and who they intend to pin it on:
"The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney's office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option."
READ MORE: http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...7/22/164841/ 163
THEY ARE PLANNING THE NEXT 9/11 NOW http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1098.shtml
August 13th, 2006 at 1:37 pmIt no doubt gives great comfort to Al Qaeda to know that the Bush administration, supported by their legions of pundit-minions like Mr. Kristol, unflenchingly focusses on the politicization of security rather than on security itself, which as the current plot once again shows, has nothing to do with Iraq.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:39 pmMarblex, Plunger . . .would by any other name...
August 13th, 2006 at 1:43 pmOh, I love my family by the way. :)
Comment by Juan C
I love my family, too. They just think my sons and I are a bunch of liberal weirdoes, which I guess we are, since we live in the reddest state since Utah. Maybe my youngest sis doesn't like me because I tell people she's my older sister, and they believe me. :-)
Sounds like a nice Sunday, Juan.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:43 pmComment by RUCerious — August 13, 2006 @ 1:22 pm
It was a nice sarcastic post, but, in fact, Swiss is not the neutral. Their banks must still be keeping the money that Nazis took from jewish people and from all the people of the countries they invaded. Also, they support weapon smuggling in Naples...I read it somewhere...couldnt find any google link.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:44 pmI was feeling bad about Juan and my thread detour -- not too bad, but a little bad -- until marblex came along.
August 13th, 2006 at 1:45 pmmarblex - check this out:
A quality education is a very dangerous weapon in the hands of society. However do not take my word for it. I obtained the following document as part of the Freedom of Information Act. I have been unable to ascertain whether it was simply a page that was lost as part of Lewis Powell’s original memo to Eugene Sydnor, Jr, or perhaps a separate document altogether that was not even written by Lewis Powell. Nevertheless, the document passes the Stephen Colbert “Truthiness†test.
Top Secret: Operation Numb and Dumb, Our Supplemental Plan to Takeover America (August 23, 1971)
Background
America has significant wealth and natural resources that are not controlled by us.
An educated and informed America that actively participates in the political process will never support and elect a corrupt group of fascists to Congress nor the Executive Branch.
Without Congressional and Executive Branch control we will be unable to appoint and confirm our judges to U.S. District, Appellate or Supreme Court.
A well educated public will raise concerns when what were once public commons become owned and operated by Halliburton, Exxon, Standard Oil and other private concerns. In a recent focus group study, nine out of ten people with at least a high school education objected to the new sign “Welcome to AT&T’s Grand Canyon Park†or “Now entering Exxon’s Zuma Beach. 10,000 barrels per day (population 17).
Without our ability to control government, we cannot accelerate the transfer and consolidation of wealth and power, privatization of public wealth and erosion of public infrastructure.
More here: Top Secret: Operation Numb and Dumb, Our Supplemental Plan to Takeover America (August 23, 1971)
August 13th, 2006 at 1:57 pmI;m glad you all find it funny that our government has been taken over by a bunch of murdering fascists who consider us expendible work horses.
Enjoy!
August 13th, 2006 at 1:59 pmThe question that should have been asked: "And how do you know that, sir?"
(do these guys have an ear piece connected to the global terrorist boogie-man that we should know about?)
August 13th, 2006 at 2:02 pmuntil marblex came along.
Comment by Zooey — August 13, 2006 @ 1:45 pm
Why freeman isnt here to see that we are not the only ones derailing threads?
:)
Sounds like a nice Sunday, Juan.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:08 pmComment by Zooey — August 13, 2006 @ 1:43 pm
Today, no soccer match. Here is 1:12 p.m. So, reading about fuel cells for a lab project.
News flash, no one gives a f*ck what your doing on Sun. Don't bag on people who are at least stating a viewpoint and turn around and chat about your day. No one cares!!!!! Sunday is really great, I just woke up hung over as hell and made some coffee. See, do you care? no.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:17 pmYou know what would really make for a great sunday? Kristol's limp body swaying in the breeze from the same scaffold as cheney.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:18 pmToo about your buzz kill, buzzbomb. Get bent.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:24 pmLet me correct something Bill said: A Lamont vitory ONLY tells Al Qaeda types PRECISLY when we'll leave. Like Hezbollah, they'll be able to use the weak tummies of the infidels to get ready.....
August 13th, 2006 at 2:30 pmNo one cares!!!!! Sunday is really great, I just woke up hung over as hell and made some coffee. See, do you care? no.
Comment by buzzbomb — August 13, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
Just go to the next post. Ignore me. I couldnt care less.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:31 pmEat a bowl of menudo, that should do the trick. Or 4 or 5 cheeseburgers.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:31 pmSome nice pink sausages would be nice, too.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:36 pmMighty Haggis,
Try not to be frightened.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:37 pmBill Kristol is a traitor and needs to be sent to an internment camp.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:38 pmcnn:terror suspex wanted to blow up makinac bridge
August 13th, 2006 at 2:40 pmComment by dixie blood — August 13, 2006 @ 2:37 pm
Thats a nice work youre doing there.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:41 pmI would add COMMENT by Jim and theleftisnuts
dixie blood,
I would add Red Wolf to that list.
I don't think Chase should be on the list. He can be annoying, but he's not a troll. Jason M. Hendler is more troll-like, but I wouldn't put him on the list either.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:41 pmYeah, and Kristol is indisputably a douchebag.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:42 pmThe Bush administration has played right into BinLauden's hands. Osama sets the trap and Bush walks right into it. It is a failure of imagination and the inability to think strategically by this Republican Congress and Administration that has further endangered the security of Amercians and the rest of the world.
Can't trust Republicans with Americans security and money.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:42 pmI would add Red Wolf to that list.
Comment by Zooey — August 13, 2006 @ 2:41 pm
Red Wolf is...in that list.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:45 pmGood thing I am the one that drinks beer on sundays. :)
#86 - "Mighty Haggis, Try not to be frightened." Comment by Zoo
*****Zooscooper, you poor little thing - as usual, you're a tad confused. You mistake care and vigilance for fear.....
August 13th, 2006 at 2:47 pmRed Wolf is…in that list.
Good thing I am the one that drinks beer on sundays. :)
Comment by Juan C
Maybe I should start drinking beer on Sundays...
August 13th, 2006 at 2:49 pmMighty Teabagger,
You mistake betwetting for care and vigilance. Poor baby...
August 13th, 2006 at 2:50 pmYou mistake care and vigilance for fear…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 13, 2006 @ 2:47 pm
Dont wate time here, mighty.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:50 pmIslamo-whackos could be outside your door, right now. Go and check that out for us. We will appreciate your job on keeping our freedom.
DixieAnemia - A BIG THANK YOU!!! To be included on your list of conservatives and patriots is truly an honour - I am flattered....I'd like to thank my mom and dad, my wonderful husband, Mr. Aphrodite and my terrific children, the Mini Aphrodites.....
August 13th, 2006 at 2:51 pmObviously, the people who voted for Lamont are terrorists.
Democrats should be rounded up and sent to re-education camps, and if that doesn't work, slave labor concentration camps.
We must do this, to protect freedom.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:52 pmOk, dixie. One more: Thomas MC.
Kidding.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:53 pmI hope it doesn’t involve small animals and chemicals….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 13, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
Do people call me George W. Bush? No.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:56 pm#87 Kristol isn't on that list? He's probably King Troll, although he's easy to miss, because he trolls from TV.
August 13th, 2006 at 2:58 pmDo people call me George W. Bush? No.
Comment by Juan C
*snort* Slapdown!
Gotta go get ready for the fun family day. *feet dragging*
August 13th, 2006 at 2:59 pmSee ya later, if you're around, Juan. :)
#62 - that was funny.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:00 pmZooey- I apologize for my previous comment. I have too much unhealthy anger these days. I decided to channel it into something better than ranting on the internet. Tomorrow I am volunteering for the Waltz campaign here in lovely Minnesota. One less Repug. in the house if he wins. It is his first foray into politics, but that is a plus in my book. Again, sorry about the anger earlier, Peace OUt.l
August 13th, 2006 at 3:03 pm“A retreat in Iraq would embolden terroristsâ€
That’s right Bill… we don’t want the normally mild mannered terrorists to become emboldened. If Lamont wins the general election they might become so bold that they start attempting to blow up planes, trains, and troops with explosive devices strapped to their own bodies.
Man that would be bold… I sure hope that never happens!
August 13th, 2006 at 3:05 pm#2 - The Idaho Observer is written by constitutionalist whack jobs. Not a good resource.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:06 pmJust sayin'
See ya later, if you’re around, Juan. :)
Comment by Zooey — August 13, 2006 @ 2:59 pm
Hope so. In any case, be nice and polite, Zoo. Or just get boozed.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:07 pmEnjoy. :)
Dixie blood-
August 13th, 2006 at 3:09 pmHere,put my name on your list-you little SHIT LICKER.
Again, sorry about the anger earlier, Peace OUt.l
Comment by buzzbomb
Glad you're feeling better. Good luck with your campaign function!
Sorry about the pink sausages crack. You may get un-bent now. :)
August 13th, 2006 at 3:09 pm#87 - Wait a minute... you mean I Hate Liberals is a troll?
All this time I thought he was being satirical:)
August 13th, 2006 at 3:09 pmEnjoy. :)
Comment by Juan C
If you say so...later. :)
August 13th, 2006 at 3:11 pmHere,put my name on your list-you little SHIT LICKER.
Comment by Dale — August 13, 2006 @ 3:09 pm
Not that easy, Dale. You have to earn it.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:13 pm118 - pasting irrelevant telephone book size posts from 3rd rate conservative stink tank.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:17 pmThe fascists are on the ropes and the majority of American's are pummeling their ass. After the Lamont victory the neocons are scared. Keep punching and don't let the bastards breathe!!
August 13th, 2006 at 3:21 pmReasons to not get on any list at all:
1) Calling people little SHIT LICKER
2) Wanting to get on a list
August 13th, 2006 at 3:21 pmNeocons (Richard Cheney as well as Rumsfeld, Kristol, etc.) have a stated objective to reshape the globe in America's image by force of arms. They stated that they needed "a new-Pearl Harbor" to enable their military redesigning of the world. The atrocity that was the attacks on September 11th enabled this current US Administration to launch to War with Iraq though Iraq had provided no immediate provocation. Continued acts of terrorism and the ongoing threat of terrorist attacks further enable the current US Adminstration to pursue the neocon objective of America reshaping the world by force. Stopping terrorism is not on the neocon agenda.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:21 pmJust the fact that responsible people (Tom Ridge, for instance) dispute Cheney's claim makes Kristol a liar. It's obviously NOT "indisputably correct".
August 13th, 2006 at 3:37 pmWhat kind of person calls their children "Mini Aphrodites"? A Madame?
August 13th, 2006 at 3:43 pmIndisputably. Gosh, I guess we'd better not have a presidential election in 2008. After all, if we change presidents, that will be an indisputable Al Qaeda victory. Now that I think about it, maybe we should just abolish the Congress, since it was designed to sit for election every couple years, and as long as there's a "war" on, any change in the status quo will be an Al Qaeda victory. Let's just anoint Bush President-for-Life, with Kristol as Court Jester.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:44 pmJust the fact that responsible people (Tom Ridge, for instance) dispute Cheney’s claim makes Kristol a liar. It’s obviously NOT “indisputably correctâ€.
Comment by krank — August 13, 2006 @ 3:37 pm
Krank - With all due respect Tom Ridge is not a reasonable person. That's what makes his refutation of Cheneys statement that much more incredible.
If even a Dumbass like Ridge gets it... how much more of a Dumbass do you have to be to still not get it?
Maybe some of the people of dixie blood’s list will help us answer this question.
August 13th, 2006 at 3:53 pmPost 129 Hemlock > Do not give Bush any ideas > he would love to remain as president/dictator for the rest of his stupid life > he would enjoy having all his enemies in the Congress sent to GITMO to be tortured, and us average Americans sent to re-education camps!
August 13th, 2006 at 3:54 pmSo what if Al-Queda is "emboldened" by the US doing the intelligent thing and redeploying from Iraq. That is a simple emotion that means nothing.
They will be "emboldened" out of the other side of their ***** when the US keeps even half of the $5 billion a month that we pour into Halliburton, Bechtel, Custer Battles... oops, I mean Iraq, and spends it to improve our national security at home by beefing up airport security, port security, infrastructure security and especially investigative methods. All of this fluster for an alleged attack in Britain that never took place because of old fashioned investigation instead of all out war. If terrorists' plans are busted before they happen, then the pain just doesn't come.
August 13th, 2006 at 4:00 pm#
Ken Melmhan the RNC chair is on Meet the Press relentlessly pushing dems are weak on security. It is pretty much all they have. The best line though was when he said this isn’t a choice between cut and run or stay the course, this is a choice between cut and run and fight and adapt. Just what the Dems have been saying for the last 4 years.
Comment by Krazny — August 13, 2006 @ 11:52 am
I can't keep track of all the times the Republicans have done this anymore. They know the country wants a progressive leadership so every now and then they appease the masses by stealing Democrats' idaes then turning around and tricking the people into thinking the Democrats have a different view.
August 13th, 2006 at 4:11 pmHaving Bush in office, as our CIA knows, helps Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden.
Invading Iraq when there were no ties to 9/11 nor wmds helped Bin Laden.
Remaining in Iraq when this undermines our credibility helps Bin Laden.
Bush's decision to cut and run on Bin Laden to invade Iraq helped Bin Laden.
Joe Lieberman's decision to go along with Bush has helped Bin laden.
Do I believe Joe Lieberman wants terrorists flying airplanes into American buildings? Of course not.
But Joe's votes, whatever his intentions, help the terrorists. A Lamont Victory is a setback for Al Qaeda.
August 13th, 2006 at 4:41 pmtricking the people into thinking the Democrats have a different view.
No, only the sheeples - the nonthinkers - the christian fundamentalists!
August 13th, 2006 at 4:43 pmdixie - just call them (trolls) the AMERICAN TALIBAN
August 13th, 2006 at 4:47 pmOT - but needs to be mentioned again - with regards to the arabic translators fired by the state department - (mostly for being gay!) - here we go again....
Here's a surprise: The State Dept. is critically short of people with adequate language skills to deal with the rest of the world
August 13th, 2006 at 4:51 pmOBL, April 24, 2006 describes a situation appealing to liberals. A retreat and defeat in Iraq. Welcome to the club, libs. The Useful Idiot club. OBL appreciates your help.
"Their defeat in Iraq will mean defeat in all their wars and a beginning to the receding of their Zionist-Crusader tide against us. Your mujahidin sons and brothers in Iraq have taught the US a hard lesson while in the fourth year of the Crusaders' invasion, they are steadfast and patient and keep killing and wounding enemy soldiers every day.
"It is a duty for the Umma with all its categories, men, women and youths, to give away themselves, their money, experiences and all types of material support, enough to establish jihad in the fields of jihad particularly in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Sudan, Kashmir and Chechnya. Jihad today is an imperative for every Muslim. The Umma will commit sin if it did not provide adequate material support for jihad.
"O fellow Muslims, pay no heed for the number of the enemy and their arsenal of arms because victory is a gift of God while the enemy, praise be to God, is experiencing a critical situation."
August 13th, 2006 at 5:19 pmcorrection: April 23, 2006
August 13th, 2006 at 5:20 pmKristol, a coward who dodged service in Vietnam, is one of the principal neocons who got us into the quagmire in Iraq and now advocaes attacks on Iraq and Syria.
He simply does not know what he is talking about when discussing terrorism or how to combat it. He knows nothing about the military and considers our men and women who faithfully serve their country as nothing more than cannon fodder.
Although I am 68, I'd be willing to return to active duty, if I could lead Cheney, Wolfowitz, Kristol, Feith, Libby and all the other neocon chickenhawks on a patrol in Ramadi. The first thing I would do I make sure they were all wearing Pampers, because you can be sure that as soon as the first shot was fired they would all piss their pants!
August 13th, 2006 at 5:30 pmMemphis Minnie seems to think taking OBL at his word is the correct stance to use to bash liberals. She also believes in the tooth fairy, so don't tell her where the quarters really come from - it would shatter her worldview. Isn't it funny that Bin-Laden hasn't been caught yet, giving him an open mike to spout such propaganda. I wonder why conservatives suck it all up so uncritically. "Useless idiots" is more like it.
August 13th, 2006 at 5:41 pm139 - Memphis Dummy - It's called reverse psychology!
They say they want you out of Iraq because they know that it will encourage Dummies like yourself to stay.
This helps divert money and man power from programs and initiatives that would actually inhibit their ability to attack us.
Don't be such an easily manipulated Dummy... you are playing right into their hands!
August 13th, 2006 at 5:44 pmBilly Kristol is another REpubliqueer closet case. Jeez, what a pretty boy. I bet he goes to Bohemian Grove every summer and gets drunk and naked with the other Republihomos.
August 13th, 2006 at 5:46 pmMedia matters for America on July 27 did an analysis demonstrating using their own statements Kristol and other conservative pundits were completely wrong on Iraq, YET the media still gives them a platform and loads of credibility to speak on the Israel situation. You can add to that on the Lamont win as well.
I cut and posted the section on Bill Kristol.
From mediamatters.org http://mediamatters.org/items/200607270007
Bill Kristol THEN ...
"The larger question with respect to Iraq, as with Afghanistan, is what happens after the combat is concluded. [...] And, as in Kabul but also as in the Kurdish and Shi'ite regions of Iraq in 1991, American and alliance forces will be welcomed in Baghdad as liberators. Indeed, reconstructing Iraq may prove to be a less difficult task than the challenge of building a viable state in Afghanistan.
"The political, strategic and moral rewards would also be even greater. A friendly, free, and oil-producing Iraq would leave Iran isolated and Syria cowed; the Palestinians more willing to negotiate seriously with Israel; and Saudi Arabia with less leverage over policymakers here and in Europe. Removing Saddam Hussein and his henchmen from power presents a genuine opportunity -- one President Bush sees clearly -- to transform the political landscape of the Middle East." [Testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, 2/2/02]
"The United States committed itself to defeating terror around the world. We committed ourselves to reshaping the Middle East, so the region would no longer be a hotbed of terrorism, extremism, anti-Americanism, and weapons of mass destruction. The first two battles of this new era are now over. The battles of Afghanistan and Iraq have been won decisively and honorably. But these are only two battles. We are only at the end of the beginning in the war on terror and terrorist states." [4/28/03 column]
"There's been a certain amount of pop sociology in America ... that the Shia can't get along with the Sunni and the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime. There's almost no evidence of that at all. Iraq's always been very secular." [National Public Radio, 4/1/03]
NOW ...
"The deaths are worth it if it leads to Hezbollah being expelled from Lebanon, disarmed, the Lebanese government able to observe sovereignty, and then we will have a peaceful and democratic Lebanon that is perfectly happy to live in peace with Israel and its other neighbors. That's why this is a great opportunity. It's unfortunate that Lebanese get killed in the cross fire, but at the end of the day, this is really much better for Lebanon than them being forced to tolerate Hezbollah, as they were forced to tolerate Syria for all those years, occupying their territory." [Fox News' Big Story with John Gibson, 7/18/06]
August 13th, 2006 at 5:47 pm"We have to be ready to use military force against Iran, if it comes to that. [...] We have to stop them from getting nuclear weapons. We can try diplomacy. I am not hopeful about that. We have to be ready to use force. [...] [T]he Iranian people dislike their regime. I think they would be -- the right use of targeted military force, but especially if political pressure before we use military force -- could cause them to reconsider whether they really want to have this regime in power. There are even moderates -- they are not wonderful people, but people in the government itself -- who are probably nervous about [Iranian president Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad's recklessness. [...] This is the moment to set them back. I think a setback to Hezbollah could trigger changes in Iran. People can say, 'Wait a second, what is Ahmadinejad doing to us? We're alone. The Arab world is even against us. The Muslim world is against us. Let's reconsider this reckless path that we're on.' " [Fox News Live, 7/19/06]
"The right response is renewed strength -- in supporting the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan, in standing with Israel, and in pursuing regime change in Syria and Iran. For that matter, we might consider countering this act of Iranian aggression with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait? Does anyone think a nuclear Iran can be contained? That the current regime will negotiate in good faith? It would be easier to act sooner rather than later. Yes, there would be repercussions -- and they would be healthy ones, showing a strong America that has rejected further appeasement." [Weekly Standard, 7/24/06]
Memphis Moron is the useful idiot. Used by the Republinazis to keep their nasty little Iraq war going.
The Iraq war is NOT the war on terrorism. Redeploy these troops and catch Osama.
The Iraq war is NOT the war on terrorism. 60% of Americans want us to redeploy.
August 13th, 2006 at 5:48 pmThe comments by Kristol, as well as most of the LIBERAL media, are nothing but a pack of lies. Go back and watch and listen to Fox News and you will see how the attacks Lamont mentions, are coming directly from the far-right. Not many had even heard of him 6 months ago. I think he will do a lot better in the coming months to get the whole message of what he is for and against.
August 13th, 2006 at 6:31 pmA comment about body language. Right at the beginning, isn't that a cute little giggle that Billy-boy Kristol gives, leaning forward with his head tipping back, like a good little boy being payed a complement. Then, prompted once again to perform his lessons he dives right in and delivers, performs, .... and outrageous nonesense spills out of his mouth, but because his body language is like a little sunday school good little dooby, correctly repeating his lessons, what he's saying MUST BE TRUE.... Right?
Anyway, I really like that first little giggle.
August 13th, 2006 at 6:48 pmOBL, should have been taken seriously in the 90's. After 2 declarations of war, Clinton had still refused to kill OBL. Al Qaeda was emboldened in 1996. Libs still deny the connection with Iraq.
The first declaration of war, 1996.
“We think that the United States is very much weaker than Russia. Based on the reports we received from our brothers who participated in jihad in Somalia, we learned that they saw the weakness, frailty, and cowardice of US troops. Only 80 US troops were killed. Nonetheless, they fled in the heart of darkness, frustrated, after they had caused great commotion about the new world order.â€
"More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (sanction) imposed on Iraq and its nation. The children of Iraq are our children. You, the USA, together with the Saudi regime are responsible for the shedding of the blood of these innocent children. Due to all of that, what ever treaty you have with our country is now null and void."
August 13th, 2006 at 7:03 pmThe fact that a wack job like Kristol gets all the air time he does should tell you all you need to know about the fascist media.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:04 pmTrivia question: OBL or angry lefty blogger?
"What happens in Guatanamo is a historical embarrassment to America and its values, and it screams into your faces - you hypocrites."
August 13th, 2006 at 7:09 pmMinnie has a problem with history.\, like a lack of knowing it. for example Bill Clinton could have taken OBL out but the air strike was nixed because he was falcon hunting with the royal family of Dubai. This was during the republofascist "No war for Monica" bullcrap. Clinton's transition team briefed Chimp Bush that OBL and Al Qaeda was the biggest security threat to the US and thee country had to take them out. The Bush security team met ZERO times from the day he took office until 9/11. Don't tell us about the 90s, that's a ridiculous excuse to cover up gross incompetence and dereliction of duty on the part of GW Fascist.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:23 pmWhy didn't Clinton kill OBL? He knew where he was. I hope it wasn't his signing of an excutive order not to assasinate enemies of the United States that prevented him from killing OBL. I hope it wasn't because he was more concerned with potential political damage to his presidency if there was too much collaterial damage. We know the CIA wanted to kill OBL and were turned down.
Clinton handed the problem to Bush with a dysfunctional intelligence community. 911 Commission found that to be true. If a scapegoat argument appeals to you then you also have to blame Clinton.
Your distractions are very clever, but still support the desires of OBL. RETREAT AND DEFEAT IN IRAQ. Hmmm, that makes a good campaign slogan, don't you think?
August 13th, 2006 at 7:26 pmAnd Minnie since your kiss Chimpy's backside then you should believe him when he said, "We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9-11". Or are you calling GW Chimpster a liar?
August 13th, 2006 at 7:27 pmIf everything is Bill Clinton's fault doesn't that make Global Warming Bush even more incompetent for not being able to make things better, just worse?
August 13th, 2006 at 7:28 pm#155, see #154 - a perfect example of republicans protesting Bill Clinton taking action against Al Qaeda, you do remember the self righteous crap "No war for Monica", right? Zero security meetings from inauguration till 9-11. "Osama determined to strike within the US". All on Chimpy's watch. It is disingenious to pretend this is Clinton's fault. Clinton actually stopped the Millenium bomb plot and the first WTC attack from being successful.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:30 pm#118 - Dear Dixie Anemia - If EVERYONE who "Provide(s) links to discredited or biased sources," is eligible for the troll list, then you better list 95% of the Prog-wacks who post here. (Linking to The Nation should be on the same par as Front Page...) The only person perhaps not eligible is Sharon Cox, who only references her own sorry life and observations, (while simultaneously cursing some and "Blessing" others....)
August 13th, 2006 at 7:32 pmHey Minnie you do remember Richard Clarke, the fact that Rumfeld and Cheney refused to be briefed on any terrorist threat except Iraq from the day they took office, right? You gotta be deep into the fascist koolaid.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:32 pmWhat Kristol doesn't mention is the fact that the two biggest boosts to Al Qaeda since the fall of Afghanistan are the facts that Osama bin Laden escaped capture and that we invaded Iraq.
Iraq, which under Saddam was hostile to Bin Laden, has now become a kind of Woodstock for terrorists, including Al Qaeda.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:34 pmHey mighty asstroditie - what would ever give you the idea that anyone on this board would want your fetid advice?
August 13th, 2006 at 7:35 pmTHe government spent more investigating Monica and Whitewater than they did on the 9/11 Commission report.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:36 pmwhy bother with minnie no nothing. She is nothing but a bush loyalists, and probably a religious freak who is waiting to be raptured. Please do not take anything this idiot has to say as serious. She can live in her little delusional world with the rest of the NONTHINKERS.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:37 pmBill Kristol is the intellectual giant who insisted that there was no history of sectarian violence in Iraq, and that any predictions of civil conflict after an invasion were a matter of "pop psychology." Kristol's ability to peer into the hearts and minds of anyone, let alone "Al Qaeda-types," is on a par with George Bush's gift for looking at souls of ex-KGB officers. They see what they want to see, and it has little to do with reality. Bush's father has been very quiet about his son recently. I wonder how Irving Kristol feels about young Bill.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:38 pmespecially since the freak still ties OBL WITH IRAQ!
August 13th, 2006 at 7:38 pmNo al quaeda just democracy.
Let's make it even simpler, shall we? The oh-so-mysterious message to elected officials is: People are sick unto death of war, of unresponsive representation, of incompetence, of corruption, of ever-more-intrusive government, of a spiraling deficit, of lobbyist-owned and corporation-sponsored politicians, of a power-hungry president, of six years of attempts to pass stick-up-the-ass moralizing legislation telling us when and how we can die and when and how we can reproduce. Get out of our personal lives, get the hell out of Iraq and do your freaking job - run the government competently, economically and fairly. Period.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:39 pm(Daily kos Aug 12)
And from my read the "intelligence community" doesn't have a problem, the administration refused to accept the advice of the intelligence community. "Osama determined to strike within the United States", Bolten torturing analysts who pointed to Al Queda and OBL instead of Iraq like Cheney wanted them to, outing operatives whose husband's disagree with the factitious call for war in Iraq. Yeah, that's an "intelligence failure" but the lack of intelligence lies between Chimpy's ears.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:40 pm156 - “We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9-11″.
- Comment by barebones
*******Dear Mr. Bones - Run and grab the fire extinguisher - your straw man is going up in flames! I don't KNOW ONE conservative who has publicly claimed Saddam was INVOLVED with 9/11. Conservatives DO contend that Saddam's Iraq was a "State Sponser of Terrorism" (follow the $$$) and that he allowed al Qaeda and other terror members to use Iraq for "meet and greets" , medical attention, etc. (Holy War, Inc. by Peter Bergen.) You seem to be confused by the FACTS....
August 13th, 2006 at 7:41 pmMighty asshat, you are the koolaid deluded, Chimpfarter Bush said we went to Iraq because of 9-11, Saddam was a threat to the US. Then after that lie exploded in his face he changed the reason 4 more times. And 60% of the US voting public now sees it, too bad you're in the koolaid 30% of the terminally ignorant.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:44 pm100.
"Democrats should be rounded up and sent to re-education camps, and if that doesn’t work, slave labor concentration camps.
We must do this, to protect freedom."
Hmmm...protect freedom = putting people in slave labor camps.
Does 2+2=5 for you too?
Since you have a hard time thinking things though, try explaining what liberals are uneducated about? And then let all the Liberals here debunk you.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:46 pmDale - an authoritarian conservative without a brain. Yes, we will gladly add your name to the list of other brainless trolls. These are trolls that are incapable of independtent thought. They lick the butts of people like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, traitor Rove, O'Leilly, and Limbaugh... the very trolls that are loved by Osama BinLaden.
Can't trust Republicans to tell the truth.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:48 pmThe only person perhaps not eligible is Sharon Cox, who only references her own sorry life and observations, (while simultaneously cursing some and “Blessing†others….)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 13, 2006 @ 7:32 pm
Ok. From all the posters here, who hasnt had sex in a while? Who is so anxious to prove a point? Wanna bet?
August 13th, 2006 at 7:48 pmJust like President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney (who once shot a 78-year-old man in the face and then sent his friend out to lie about it), and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, William Kristol is an authoritarian, not a conservative. They do not believe in democracy. They do not believe in open government. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not believe in freedom. And they do not believe in telling the truth. These are all people who believe that the President is in charge, he makes the rules, and he can do whatever he believes the Constitution says he can do, even if it doesn’t really say that. (That’s when they say, “It doesn’t say he can’t!â€)
President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld should all be dealt with in the only way they understand: They should all be fired at once. [Out of what, I’ll leave up to you. :) ]
August 13th, 2006 at 7:50 pmVoting for Lamont it not "embolding" the terrorists. This is common Republican Psychopathic Psychological Projection...the big secret is the 3 Billion sent to the Israel military is embolding the terrorists. Psychological Projection, read about it.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:52 pmMemphis minnie - we'll add your name to the no-thinking troll list. You have it backwards. OSB LOVE BUSH&Co.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:54 pmChimpfarter Bush said we went to Iraq because of 9-11, Saddam was a threat to the US.
False. There are around 20 reasons, including the Liberation of Iraq Act of 1998 (that Clinton signed), Iraq was a threat to the region therefore us (that's what the Clinton Administration said, right?), supporting terrorism, harboring terrorists, genocide and other war crimes, 17 UN resolutions ignored, etc.
Anyone who ignores all of the reasons is ignorant...like you bones.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:54 pm#169 Mighty asshat
On December 9, 2001, Tim Russert asked the Vice President whether Iraq was involved in the September 11th attack. The Vice President replied: “It’s been pretty well confirmed that he [Mohammed Atta] did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack.â€
So your contention that one, Cheney did not say Iraq was responsible for 9-11 and two Cheney is not a conservative. Again, the delusions, lies, and distortions you ignorant koolaid fascists consume is pretty powerful.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:54 pmOh, yes, we defied the U.N. in order to make the point that the U.N. should not be defied.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:55 pmAs long as Bush&Co keep fighting in Iraq, our ports and airports will remain unguarde.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:55 pm#178, hey minnie brain see #179, Cheney said Al Qaeda and iraq on TIM RUSSERT, see the quote from the show, it's fact not your fascist delusional world.
August 13th, 2006 at 7:56 pmIf the Republicans weren't so concerned about Clinton's sex life during the '90's, OSB would have been taken out. If Bush had read the memo in August 2001 and followed through (and I'm not referring to his golf swing) with the needed protections, 9/11 would be nothing more than just a date on a calendar.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:02 pmAnd might Ass, violating UN resolutions which contained the violator and the UN weapons commision stating that Saddam HAD NO WEAPONS, meant the sanctions were coming off and Saddam and Iraq were about to flood the market with cheap oil traded in EUROS specifically avoiding dollars, which meant bancruptcy for a lot of US oil companies if you're going to tell lies and half truths don't be surprised when someone corrects your fascist propoganda exposing you for the fascist apologist you really are.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:02 pm139.
Think for yourself. You want to stay in Iraq just to spite some crazies. That's childish. Who cares what they say - they are nuts, your not talking that into account.
Ever think that maybe the terrorist get angrier and angrier everyday we are in Iraq, the cause of the deaths of so many innocents?...I do. I'm sure it would shock you to find that if we left Iraq the violence would stop. Then the US military could focus on people who want to kill us!
August 13th, 2006 at 8:03 pmBoners forgets the Iraq-al Qaeda connection described by the Clintonistas,
Undersecretary of State Thomas Pickering, August 25 1998 on the al Shifa-al Qaeda-Iraq connection:
Q: Ambassador Pickering, do you know of any connection between the so-called pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum and the Iraqi government in regard to production of precursors of VX?
PICKERING: Yeah, I would like to consult my notes just to be sure that what I have to say is stated clearly and correctly. We see evidence that we think is quite clear on contacts between Sudan and Iraq. In fact, al Shifa officials, early in the company’s history, we believe were in touch with Iraqi individuals associated with Iraq’s VX program.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:05 pmAmbassador Bill Richardson, in an appearance on CNN’s “Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer,†on August 30, 1998.
“We know for a fact, physical evidence, soil samples of VX precursor–chemical precursor at the site,†said Richardson. “Secondly, Wolf, direct evidence of ties between Osama bin Laden and the Military Industrial Corporation–the al Shifa factory was part of that. This is an operation–a collection of buildings that does a lot of this dirty munitions stuff. And, thirdly, there is no evidence that this precursor has a commercial application. So, you combine that with Sudan support for terrorism, their connections with Iraq on VX, and you combine that, also, with the chemical precursor issue, and Sudan’s leadership support for Osama bin Laden, and you’ve got a pretty clear cut case.â€
August 13th, 2006 at 8:05 pmRichard Clarke writes in his book, Against All Enemies: Inside America’s War on Terror about the Iraqi VX found at al Shifa by the CIA:
EMPTA is a compound that had been used as a prime ingredient in Iraqi nerve gas. It had no other known use, nor had any other nation employed EMPTA to our knowledge for any purpose.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:06 pm150. "Libs still deny the connection with Iraq."
Jesus Christ! I dare you to explain what threat Iraq had to the United States before or after 9/11. PLEASE! hahaha.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:06 pmWhat!?...don't want to because we will expose your incorrect ideology?
And #179, memphis miniature the Liberation of Iraq act WAS SPECIFICALLY a non-military act. Republofascists tried to get military action written into the act and Clinton denied them. There is NO call for invasion of Iraq in the Liberation of Iraq Act, stop repeating right wing talking points and read for yourself, oh i forgot you can't.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:06 pmWe'lk say it agian for the idiotic fascists Iraq HAD NO CONNECTION TO 9-11. they keep implying Iraq HAD a connection then when you confron them they say there is no connection, then they go back and imply there was a connection, then you press them and they admit there is no connection, back and forth - they idiot insisting over and over.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:09 pm"Get out of our personal lives, get the hell out of Iraq"
August 13th, 2006 at 8:10 pmGet the hell out of our personal lives!
August 13th, 2006 at 8:11 pmRemoving Saddam was the stated policy of the US. It was stated as one of the reasons supporting the invasion. Democrats supported it, you ignored it, along with all of the other reasons.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:11 pmYou know it's irritating when these morons listen to Limbaugh, or Michael savage, or Boortz and then rush here and parrot the latest talking poit. You guys should know it only makes you look stupid, do your own research instead of mouthing someone else's talking points.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:12 pmmust apologize for my typos. I really do know how to spell. It's just that the fingers and the brain are not always in sync.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:14 pm#195, no memphis idiocy - the president of the us went to Congress and said I have evidence Saddam is going to kill us all so give me the authority to take military action. Action he was not supposed to take until he went to the UN for a second vote, which he never did by the way. It doesn't help the congress make a good decision when the Chimp-in-chief lies and cherry picks the info they see. You see good congessmen wouldn't expect the president to lie the country into a war, now we know better, if it's a republofascist you can't ever trust them.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:15 pmYou've lost your shiftring arguments, Bonerz. Time to use the personal attacks. Fire away...
August 13th, 2006 at 8:17 pmBones, I agree.
You can't trust Republofascists to tell the truth. Get the bumper stickers ready!
August 13th, 2006 at 8:18 pmMemphis - that's a city in a dumf**kistan State. Explains it all.
Can't trust Republofacsists to tell the truth and to support and follow the Constitution of the USA.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:19 pmmemphis, I can't help you're brainwashed. It should mean something when 60% of your fellow citizens disagree with your point of view. It should mean something when every country except one pulls out of your "coalition of the willing", it should be a red flag when the actions you take in the Middle East have only 2 supporting countries on the ENTIRE PLANET, but you can't see that because you are (1) dense, (2) brainwashed, or (3) a republofascist troll making trouble. i vote for all 3.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:21 pmRevealing details on the Bush administration's woeful record on national defense have been coming to light. ABC News reported that the General Accounting Office warned, back in 2005, that no precautions were being taken by the Transportation Safety Administration to detect elements of liquid explosives - the very weapon the plotters in Britain allegedly intended to use - being brought aboard airplanes. The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security followed up with their own warnings about this exact threat. The Bush administration did nothing to respond to these warnings, and is now rolling out the old "no-one-could-have-anticipated" excuse for their failure to anticipate such a threat. More recently, the White House attempted to strip $6 million in funding for such explosives-detection technologies out of the Homeland Security budget, a move that was stopped by Congress. From TruthOut
So the Republicans are claiming that old tired excuse "no-one-could-have-anticipated"... just like Katrina..."no-one-could-have-anticipated". This excuse show ignorance and lack of strategic thinking. This is further proof of the inadequacies of this administration to lead. No true leader would ever rely on this kind of lame-brain excuse. This is why 9/11 is more than just a date on a calendar.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:35 pmBill Cry N Stall is just another moron who wants the Republican party to control the country, the people, the world. Unfortunately for Bill and Dickey that's not going to happen. And in fact it is there stupidy that got us into the Iraq war and lack of reasoning that keeps us there. Any fool can see that this is turning into another Viet Nam, where the United States wastes Billions of dollars, thousand of dead soldiers, and then declares victory and goes home. The end result will be the same too, we won't get one drop of Oil and won't be any safer because of their reckless policies.
I love it when these war mongering fools go charging up the next hill before they'll secured the last one. They use the Tommy Franks/Baghdad Bob thery of, "Say it ain't so" method of telling the truth. In other words if they say the war of terror is going great, then it becomes true. This type of thinking will lead to disaster every time and the sad part is that they don't get it. I'm just glad that I'm not 18 to 44 years old anymore, so I don't have to lose my life for nothing. By the way, why are they having to enlist 44 year olds if things are so great. If they knew they were going to start talking like Baghdad Bob, why didn't they just keep him on the payroll and he could have Tony Snow's job as Press Secretary.
It's really a shame to less of that talent just go to waste. Bob would fit right in with republican thinking and spin. Heck, he could teach them a thing or two about spin, they are rookies next to him. The thing is that he actually believed what he was saying, even though the entire world knew better. So when you hear a Republican saying those polls don't show an overwhelming Democratic victory in November, just listen to the sound of the approaching tidalwave.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:36 pmI'm telling you, MA and MM and their ilk are just NONTHINKERS who are spouting off the BS they are told to spout off. It is as simple as that. Like I said, they can believe in their fairy tales, BUT WE KNOW THE TRUTH, and the TRUTH IS NOT GOING AWAY. They LACK THE CAPACITY TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES - THUS NONTHINKERS!
August 13th, 2006 at 8:40 pmRepublicans lack imagination and as a result are weak on security. If the UK had not made arrests on Thursday, the Bush administration would have allowed attacks on airplanes using liquid bombs. Once again, showing that the Bush administration is weak on security.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:42 pmI love the fact that these fascists don't mind for a moment to call ever voter that voted for Lamont an anti-American terrorist supporting traitor, and then act like meek virginal high priestesses of the Church of the Innocent and get offended when you call them what they are, evil sadistic dangers to us all.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:46 pmHearing the latest terror threats from England were put up jobs. POTUS had no clue. Cell-phones, 1000 to be resold. Cell-phones again. Twin-Towers. Blair and Bush in polital trouble. Seems we are getting back to terror in ordet to hide or mask the trouble we are having in Iraq. Cease fire in Lebanon. On and On it goes.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:51 pmAbsolutely the ONLY thing the repukes have to run on is terrorism. Which really only works for the stupid people - the NONTHINKERS!
August 13th, 2006 at 8:52 pmThis idiot we have for President has had 5 years to address terrorist threats. If my boss gave me 5 years to address a critical problem at work and 5 years later, the exact same problems were still cropping up, I'd be gone. In 5 years we're still talking about the EXACT SAME threats, zippo progress. Back where we started. It's time for someone to be fired, as Joe Lib recently found out.
August 13th, 2006 at 8:56 pmLooks like one person showed up today to storm the Bastille. Now if we could just get another 999,999 to show up on the same day, we might have ourselves a real Revolution...
Machete-wielding woman outside White House
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A 32-year-old woman wielding a machete was arrested Sunday outside the White House, the Secret Service said.
Spokeswoman Kim Bruce said Ashwak Saleh was taken into custody and charged with possession of a prohibited weapon after she displayed a 13-inch machete on the sidewalk outside the White House.
Saleh was arrested at 2:20 p.m. and taken to Washington Metro Police Department 3rd district for processing.
Witnesses said Saleh was sitting on the sidewalk when she pulled the machete out of a leather sleeve and began sharpening it on the edge of the sidewalk.
The witnesses said passersby then alerted Secret Service officers, one of whom approached the woman and told her to "Drop the blade."
To that, Saleh said, "What are you going to do -- shoot me?"
The witnesses said the officer repeated his command, then took Saleh into custody when she wouldn't comply.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/13/wh.machete/index.html
August 13th, 2006 at 9:07 pmbones: Don't fall in trap about idiot and ignorance. Ignorant. Idiot. Joe Lie-- was just one, there are others and like u say 5 years is a long time.
August 13th, 2006 at 9:19 pmSaleh should be protected by the 2nd amendment... the right to bear arms to form a militia. It doesn't say firearms, just arms which can be anything.
August 13th, 2006 at 9:25 pmWitnesses said Saleh was sitting on the sidewalk when she pulled the machete out of a leather sleeve and began sharpening it on the edge of the sidewalk.
That's a woman getting ready to start kicking ass and taking names...
August 13th, 2006 at 9:40 pmRemember that Cindy Sheehan was arrested for just standing outside the White House last year - without the proper permit...
Guess the Emporer has a restraining order against all 6.4 billion other humans on the planet?
Can't blame him. He should be afraid. The people are angry enough to stop fearing the government...
August 13th, 2006 at 9:52 pmLieberman must feel like a total shit for getting "fired" for Bush's failures. Fired isn't really a good word--Lieberman was voted off of the isalnd. His "event" is a loud and clear signal to all politicians of every stripe--snuggle up to Bush and his failed policies at your own peril.
August 13th, 2006 at 9:52 pmMaybe Sheehan wasn't in one of Bush's "Free Speech Zones."
August 13th, 2006 at 9:53 pmCaution friends, GW is no fool,he just does not care about the common folk. This has been proven time after time, and now he has no reason to even pretend that he does care. The next 17 months or so wont get any better unless something comes out that we are not aware of. The secerts of this White House is well known by some, so don't hold your breath for they appear to be on the same page.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:18 pmWay to go Minnie!!! You present prog-wacks with quotations which bolster your premise and they "busy" themselves ignoring facts. The security Dems of old would NEVER recognize the party which has devolved.
Looking at the last 26 years might prove enlightening to those with a "higher than 3rd grade" reading ability. For those with average IQ's and/or poor reading skills, YOU are evidence that THERE were children LEFT BEHIND...
Iranian Islamo-wacks released the last 52 kidnapped hostages (after 444 days of captivity) on the same day Ronald Reagan was to be sworn into office. The inept Mr. Jimmeh was working at a level well above his abilities. International peacekeepers have been a miserable failure in the target rich environment of Lebanon; Reagan's greatest failure was the almost instantaneous pullout of the Marines after the horrific loss our Marines suffered. That, coupled with the immediate withdrawal from Somalia, signalled to bin Laden, the PLO, and the rest of the barbarians what a bunch of "weak sisters" the US is. IF nothing else, progwacks, YOU certainly confirm what a bunch of lily-livered cowards YOU are.
Bush is elected - EVERY independent news organization, including the New York Times and LA Times, which conducted re-counts in Florida confirms Bush's VICTORY. Progs wail and gnash their gums. Bush waits 5 minutes on 9/11, gets his bearings and progs screech. Bush goes after the Taliban - and your "concillatory" silence is deafening. Bush gives Saddam an enormous amount of time to comply with the signed and agreed to cease-fire agreement and you rail against him. You seem to be the type of people always on the defense - always ready to react. Consequently, I believe the term reactionary NOW applies in its strictest sense to prog-wacks.
Thank you for confirming the diagnosis that the malcontents of progressivism suffer a debilitating mental disorder. I
August 13th, 2006 at 10:27 pmHey look might asshat is back and missed every last fact and still posts ignorant drivel and then pats herself on the back. Must be lonely in that basement all by yourself eh mighty ass.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:34 pmPoor Bones - Didn't your mama teach you to read reports and pages with no pictures? Surely your vulgarity lessons couldn't have taken all that long....but look at the bright side....EVERYONE has to be good at SOMETHING! Too bad you can't earn a living doing what you do best: LIE and type dirty.....
August 13th, 2006 at 10:40 pmHey assroditie, bored alone and republican? Try republican rehab, I'll get the number for you. The drivrl crap you post isn't an actual intelligent language much less a logical argument. Why don't you try the brainwashed Christofascist board?
August 13th, 2006 at 10:41 pmAnd astroditie too bad you fcan't earn a living at what you do, pig slopping.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:42 pmYou hear, with all that fat between your ears it is obviously impossible for you to hear.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:43 pmKristol is so full of shit he is hard to watch.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:43 pmHe is still in the Cheney cheerleading mode with his indisputably correct phrase. No one is cheering Cheney any more - the 19% that still approve of him are too far gone to even consider. Kristol is part of those too far gone and someone should take him away for a long time to a quiet rest home where he can talk to himself all day. His audience will love him. The rest of us would like to forget him.
HEY MIGHTY GO FY!
August 13th, 2006 at 10:44 pmYou know MA waited all nite and when she thought no one would be around she snuck in to get the last word on the thread, pathetic. Surprised her though.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:46 pmNONTHINKERS, BUSH LOYALISTS, RAPTURERS, FRIGHTENED LEMMINGS - GO PREACH TO YOUR OWN FREAKIN' CHOIR
August 13th, 2006 at 10:46 pmI mean, do they really think ANYONE takes then seriously? They are merely the 30% that LOVE their MASTER. They have a mental disorder, plain and simple, and that EXPLAINS all of it.
August 13th, 2006 at 10:49 pmMaybe it's a mating call to her own kind, creepy!
August 13th, 2006 at 10:51 pmA message to swing voters and independent voters.
Despite the Karl Rove propaganda for 5 years since 9-11-2001, the Republiklan party appears the only party that has ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATED weakness on National defense, National security and terrorism with their failure to defend America on 9-11-2001 and keep us safe.
If you vote Republican then you do it for the tax cuts, the religious persecution, and the F the poor Republican economic policies.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:04 pmJuan C. Maybe the story of Canute would come in handy at this point...
August 13th, 2006 at 11:16 pmOMG, I just read MA quick version of history and I realize it is no wonder that people like MA and minnie are so confused - they can't retell history with facts and proper perspective.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:16 pmCarter and Clinton are to blame for everytihng. Bush and Reagan are excused.
That's the end of their history report.
As if Bush lamely sitting in kindergarten on 9/11 knowing we were under attack could be excused - but his real negligence occurred during the previous months when he "took a pass" on everything international and culminated when he disregarded the 8/6 PDB clearly warning of an imminent attack.
The U.S. authorized the Israelis, with the helpful assistance of agents of Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) & Co., to initially administer Arafat poison in Ramallah, giving him an isolated case of thrombocytopenia (low platelets) with no other symptoms, symptoms which could only occur by poisoning, as his doctors in Ramallah so testified! The French provided timely assistance first by immediately sedating Arafat when he arrived in Paris so that he could not speak or know what was happening to him. The French, who have historically always worked closely with Israel and Mossad and, of course, with the United States (except in Iraq), indubitably administered the final overdose of anti-coagulant or other poison in order to induce a stroke. Arafat used to be their boy but was sacrificed primarily because he had largely lost the support of his militant constituency and the capitalists wanted to install new personnel, which has turned out to be a total failure for them once again. The irony is that during the 1980’s several assassinations of highly militant PLO figures were carried out by Mossad in the close proximity of Arafat, always leaving him untouched. This time the capitalists sacrificed him.
It is true that the Syrian leaders are completely opportunist and have worked closely with both the U.S. and Israel. The Syrians have and will continue to torture absolutely anybody the U.S. sends them through their so-called "Extraordinary Rendition†Torture Program, which incidentally is not extraordinary for the capitalists but routine and an everyday event. But Syria would have NO MOTIVE whatsoever to assassinate Hariri! Only the United States and Israeli, the puppet of U.S.-led world imperialism, and Mahmoud Abbas have the motive! The motive of the Hariri assassination was 1.) to generate the pretext to pressure Syria to withdraw from Lebanon—which was the almost immediate result and 2.) to supply the pretext to try to overthrow the Baath Socialist Party-led government of Syria! Syria has a socialist system, which provides full employment, no homelessness, free education to the highest level and free medical and dental just like Iraq used to have, all of which is unavailable in the United States! The capitalists want to get rid of it and institute so-called “freedom and democracy,†which under capitalism have become euphemisms for capitalist dictatorship and enslavement. Just like in Iraq and everywhere else, including the U.S.A.! Long and convoluted articles based on CIA files, e.g. the November 3, 2005 article in the New York Times demonstrate how determined the capitalists are to try to undermine the Syrian Baath Socialist government and falsely implicate Bashir al-Assad, a former ophthalmologist as supposedly having given the order to assassinate Hariri! But Hariri had already resigned from the government when he was assassinated! If the Syrians hated him so much they would have assassinated him while he was in office. The reason that he was assassinated after he left office rather than when he was in office and presumably more of a “threatâ€, which he never really was, was that such a provocation simply did not occur to U.S. and Israel earlier. The truth is that Hariri never ever had a majority support for his anti-Syrian position! Not even close! Not even after he was assassinated! Not even now! Syria has supported Hezbollah, whose defensive attacks against the illegal Israeli occupation of Lebanon, forced Israel to finally pull out of Lebanon and all the Lebanese know it! The U.S.-directed Mossad is widely recognized and understood to be the assassin of Hariri and Arafat, etc. throughout the Mideast! It’s time to wake up here in the USA!
To assassinate Hariri the U.S. directed Israeli Mossad assassins used a huge truck bomb, which they drove through Syria, or assembled in Syria, and painstakingly filmed leaving Syria and driving all through Lebanon and Beirut before being blown up, where it was also filmed at the point of detonation! It is not credible that surveillance cameras would be so strategically placed to document this event so precisely unless it had been planned in advance. This is very similar to the video that was made of “the first AIDS ‘Typhoid Mary’†(so-called patient 0) where the capitalists deliberately infected a promiscuous male airline steward through his “doctor†with the AIDS virus then followed him, videotaping him going from one assignation to another unknowingly spreading AIDS. But what these Biowarfare enthusiasts, who could not have made the film for any other reason than to document their Biological Warfare handiwork, did not realize was that the film actually implicated those who made it. The questions immediately arose: 1.How did the video tapers know that person had AIDS? 2.) Why didn’t they stop him? The same thing applies with the film of the Hariri truck bomb.
Instead the United States has ordered its United Nations puppet leadership to begin a phony “investigation,†which has been authorized by the Security Council! The only problem is that the capitalists currently have only one “witness.†(Of course more can be manufactured if necessary!) The witness, Hossam Taher Hossam, who identified himself to the UN inquiry as a former Syrian intelligence officer, alleged in a 75-minute interview on November 27, 2005 that Hariri’s son, Saad Hariri, met him several months ago and offered him $1.3 million to testify against top Syrian officials. But the question of credible motive and who only benefits from such assassinations—the United States and its cat’s paw Israel—is never raised in this brazen provocation. The capitalists are running totally amok! Everything the capitalists attempt turns into a fiasco. On June 28, 2006 the U.S. ordered its Proxy Zionist Army of Israel to buzz the Syrian coast and the house of Syrian leader Bashir al-Assad while threatening to attack Syria on the pretext that the exiled supreme leader of Hamas, Khaled Mashaal, living in Syria ordered the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier! Right! This was carried out while the U.S. Zionist Proxy State of Israel was invading Gaza under the laughably fraudulent pretext of trying to “rescue the kidnapped (murderer) Israeli soldier,†for whom they do not give a damn, and relentlessly bombing and shelling Gaza population centers and torturing the population all night with sonic booms in order to deprive them of sleep just like they torture prisoners in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, all in direct violation of International Law, just exactly like its U.S. master who writes Torture Memorandums and gives virtually all the orders. The U.S. and its Zionist Proxy State of Israel also wage economic war against Hamas by having Israel collect $55 million in taxes from the Palestinians and then refusing to turn the money over to the Palestinians to run their government because they do not really believe in democracy when the masses choose to elect Hamas. They actually thought that they might be able to impose the election of Fatah on the Palestinians after it was taken over by U.S./Israeli Puppet Mahmoud Abbas after he was nice enough to help poison Arafat! The U.S. Israeli Proxy State has even pledged to bomb the infrastructure of Lebanon back to the Stone Age, while they threaten to invade Syria! All completely authorized by their master the USA! This was precisely the policy of the U.S. in Vietnam! This is why in order for there to be a genuine solution in the Middle East there first must be a Socialist Revolution in the United States!
The Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin Was a “Queen Sacrifice†Carried Out by
the Israeli Government, under Authorization From its United States Master, in Order to Increase Support Among Israelis for the Oslo Peace Accords in 1995
But Was Gratuitously Sabotaged by Likud-directed Shin Bet!
In 1995 support for the Oslo Peace Accords was substantial among Palestinians because it represented a better situation than they had, but Israel was split right down the middle with supporters versus opponents. Because the Mideast and the Oslo Accords were so important to the United States, Israel and the entire capitalist world, both politically and economically, potentially opening up an area which had been shunned by big investors because of the Intifada and constant threat of suicide bombings, the capitalists decided to carry out what is known in politics and chess as a Queen Sacrifice in order to increase support for the Oslo accords among the Israelis. At a rally in support of the Oslo Accords on November 4, 1995, members of the Israeli security forces deliberately allowed a Zionist fanatic, Yigal Amir, to breach security around Rabin as the rally ended and Rabin was on his way to his car. (In this respect the Rabin assassination was very similar to the 9/11 Trade Center Attack, which was also a government-facilitated provocation, where the Bush Regime deliberately opened the door to the Islamic Fundamentalists to permit them to obtain flight training for jumbo jets in the face of local FBI protests [see above] and kept the Air Force jet interceptors grounded for over an hour in order to permit the 9/11 Attack to be successfully carried out.) After the Rabin assassination support for the Oslo Accords among Israelis increased to over 71%!
The assassination of Rabin appeared to be a “success!†But shortly thereafter on January 5, 1996, the head of Shin Bet, Avi Dichter, known up to that time only as “Kaf,†under pressure from the fanatical Zionist Likud Party and acting against the objectives of the United States and its puppet Israeli government, gratuitously assassinated the chief Hamas suicide bomb maker, Yehiya Ayash, in the Gaza Strip by planting a radio-controlled bomb in his cell phone. But Yehiya Ayash had had no business for years! Ayash was no longer a viable threat because nobody wanted to volunteer for suicide bombing against Israel and in fact there had not been any suicide bombing in Israel for several years after the signing of the 1993 Oslo Accords, which stood to improve the situation for Palestinians living in Occupied Palestine. Support for the Oslo Accord was also at an all time high among Israelis after the “successful†Queen Sacrifice of Rabin. Avi Dichter was a literal example of a loose cannon and his motive was clear as crystal! The Israeli government and the United States were furious! The Shin Bet Chief “Kaf’s†offer of resignation was accepted several days after he ordered the assassination of Ayash. Previously “Kaf’s†pro forma offers of resignation after the carefully planned Rabin assassination were turned down by Peres, who was also part of the Rabin assassination, which briefly advanced Israeli interests! In order to expose “Kaf†for acting against Israeli and U.S. interests, the new Shin Bet Chief, Ami Ayalon, former Rear Admiral in the Israeli Navy agreed to openly accept the position as the new Shin Bet Chief one week after the Shin Bet assassination of Ayash, allowing his name to be known for the first time as the new Shin Bet Chief in order to permit the Israeli government to be able to then reveal the name of his trouble-maker predecessor, “Kaf,†who was Avi Dichter, who would no longer enjoy the government security he had while head of Shin Bet!
It was a completely new precedent in Israeli politics to announce the name of the head of Shin Bet, and was designed to jeopardize the security of those Zionist fanatics who would act independently against Israeli interests and U.S. interests. (Yigal Amir, the Zionist fanatic who assassinated Rabin was manipulated to advance U.S. and Israeli interests.) The assassination of Yehiya Ayash of Hamas was a deliberately calculated provocation by Likud to sabotage support for the the Oslo Accords among Israelis by providing the pretext for retaliatory suicide bombing by Hamas and other Islamic Fundamentalist groups, which began immediately after the assassination and has continued ever since right up to the present moment. On September 28, 2000 Ariel Sharon went onto the Temple Mount, Al Haram ash-Sharif in Arabic, as a deliberate provocation, after the Camp David negotiations broke up earlier on July 5th, in order to incite the Palestinians and start up a Second Intifada, which was used to further crush and oppress the Palestinians and to try to force them into submission. This has continued despite the fact that Likud Chief Sharon before his stroke agreed to U.S. demands to withdraw from Gaza and try to give the appearance of supporting a “Two State Solution†with the Palestinians, where the Palestinians would in practice remain under the jackboot of the Israeli Fascists behind the Israeli Apartheid Wall, which is three times as long and twice as high as the Berlin Wall, and where the huge Israeli West Bank settlements, which are designed to incorporate valuable land and resources of the West Bank into so-called “Israel,†are left mostly intact, and the Palestinians are left in a few nonviable Bantustans, which the US and Israel try to call “a state for the Palestinians!†The Israeli Apartheid Wall is 25 ft. high, presently 216 miles long and counting, with 95-315 ft. of buffer zone with electric fence, trenches, cameras and security patrols, which according to the new acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, of the new so-called “centrist†Kadima Party, will form the basis of the permanent boundary between “Israel†and a proposed Palestinian State! While this may have represented a bargaining chip to cause Hamas to recognize Israel (which it now has by establishing a national unity government with Arafat assassin Mahmoud Abbas thus implicitly recognizing Israel), there is no real possibility that Israel will ever dismantle it. The Israeli Apartheid Wall represents the hardening dictatorship of U.S. capitalism in the Mideast.
The Only Solution for the Middle East is One Secular
State Of Palestine which has as its Pre-Condition:
Socialist Revolution in the United States!
The only solution which could ever succeed on a long term basis is a One Secular State Solution which is neither a Zionist state nor an Islamic state. This can only come about after a Socialist Revolution here in the United States and will automatically be one of the immediate outcomes of that Socialist Revolution. This fact should be made widely known to all Jews and all Moslems. There can be no oppression of Palestinians and there can be no oppression of Jews. Zionism—Jewish nationalism—has no place in a peaceful future in the Mideast and neither do Islamic Fundamentalist States, both of which represent reaction not progress. The Jewish people have always had a progressive history up until World War II and the Holocaust. Two-thirds of the leadership of the Russian Revolution was Jewish! In Europe Jews followed Communists and Social Democrats—NOT Zionists. In Germany the Zionists only got about 5% of the Jewish vote, while in Poland it was higher, up to 35%, due to the capitalists’ barrage of anti-Soviet anti-Communist propaganda because of its proximity to the Soviet Union. The Jewish people had its Communist and progressive leadership beheaded in the Holocaust along with the 6 million Jews murdered by Hitler, who also murdered 27 million Soviet citizens and millions of others, 57 million in WWII. After the Holocaust, reactionary and Fascist Zionists, some who had actually made agreements with Hitler, were insinuated into leadership positions among the Holocaust Survivors, whose first choice was to emigrate to the United States and Great Britain. Both countries turned down the Survivors, prevented their entry and directed them to Palestine, where the capitalists helped them set up the Zionist entity “Israel†as a garrison proxy state to protect U.S. and British imperialist oil interests. As mentioned, Israel is not formally even a state because it is economically, politically, diplomatically and militarily dependent on the United States. If this support were withdrawn Israel would collapse like a house of cards. Israel’s 200 plus nuclear weapons at Damona would be of no help to the Zionist criminals without oil. The Proxy State of so-called “Israel†does not represent the interest of the Jewish people. “Israel†is bad for Jews! Its existence has increased the threat to Jewish people everywhere! This is undeniable and can only be ended with a Socialist Revolution in the United States!
The Kibbutzim Are A Total Deception and a
Means of Neutralizing Potential Communists!
Jewish people worldwide and Israelis alike must organize themselves against Zionism and for a Socialist Revolution. Israel plays another little number on its citizens many of whom aspire to Socialism and would like to think of themselves as progressive. Israel runs a network of 270 Kibbutzim, which are communal settlements supposedly based on the principle of joint ownership of property, equality and cooperation of production, consumption and education; the fulfillment of the idea "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." But the reality is that they do not represent Socialism at all in any way and cannot because they exist within a capitalist dictatorship and function to help maintain that dictatorship. This is an example of the dialectical contradiction of form and essence. The Kibbutzim are a just a trick, a deception used to exhaust progressive-minded people and to isolate potential Communists away from main population centers and to exploit the labor of about 130,000 Israelis who supply and help maintain the Imperialist-cat’s paw of the United States—“Israelâ€â€”in its permanent war against the Palestinians and the other Mideast countries. At age 18 all members of the Kibbutzim all must serve in the Israel army, 3 years for men and 21 months for women, and for each year thereafter until age 51 men must serve 39 days each year in the army, while those who have seen combat are allowed to stop after age 45. Thus there are no “innocent Israeli citizens†unless they are in the process of organizing a mutiny in the Israeli puppet army. Unless the Israeli people carry out a mutiny the reality is that every child in Israel will grow up brainwashed and be organized to kill, torture and oppress Palestinians. Only a Socialist Revolution in the United States can bring this to an end. It’s pre-condition is mutiny in all the armed forces of the capitalist countries!
The position of all Communists, and all progressive people who are not yet Communists, is to support all those oppressed by capitalism-imperialism and its Zionist cat’s paw and that includes supporting the Palestinians and supporting Hezbollah against the U.S./“Israeli†Invasion of Lebanon. The “Israeli†army should be encouraged to mutiny, as should the entire population of Occupied Palestine! That does not mean that Communists support Islamic Fundamentalism or Sharia any more than they do Zionism. Nor does supporting Hezbollah against the U.S. and “Israel†mean in any way that Communists support the nuclear bombing of “Israel†by Iran! Not at all! By consistently opposing capitalism-imperialism in all of its death throe invasions and statecraft against the people of this planet capitalism is weakened overall and the Socialist Revolution brought closer and with it a Secular State of Palestine. The overthrow of Zionism in “Israel,†will occur in tandem with the Socialist Revolution in the United States. The elimination of the Zionist state will permanently eliminate the threat to the Jewish people. The Jewish people must no longer tolerate representation by Zionists and should begin immediately to deprogram themselves of the cancer of Zionism!
William H. Depperman
August 13th, 2006 at 11:22 pmAugust 12, 2006
Canute is perhaps best remembered for the legend of how he commanded the waves to go back. According to the legend, he grew tired of flattery from his courtiers. When one such flatterer gushed that the king could even command the obedience of the sea, Canute proved him wrong by practical demonstration at Bosham, his point being that even a king's powers have limits. Unfortunately, this legend is usually misunderstood to mean that he believed himself so powerful that the natural elements would obey him, and that his failure to command the tides only made him look foolish. It is quite possible that the legend is simply pro-Canute propaganda. Canute died in 1035, at Shaftesbury in Dorset, and was buried at Winchester. On his death, Canute was succeeded in Denmark by Harthacanute, reigning as Canute III. Harold took power in England, however, ruling until his death (1040), whereupon the two crowns were again briefly reunited under Harthacanute
August 13th, 2006 at 11:28 pmMaybe MA is a closet Mickey freak!
Comment by RUCerious
I think we have a winner!
August 13th, 2006 at 11:32 pmThe terror level has been downgraded, re news a fews minutes ago. This seems to be a pattern. every time GW drops in the polls, the terror warnings come.. Maybe I'm wrong, if so please correct me.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:43 pm#1
What's your point? Like we care?
August 13th, 2006 at 11:51 pmour resident trolls are inflicted with:
amentia Subnormal development of the mind, with particular reference to intellectual capacities; a type of severe mental retardation.
anosognosia The apparent unawareness of or failure to recognize one's own functional defect
bizarre delusion A delusion that involves a phenomenon that the person's culture would regard as totally implausible.
confabulation Fabrication of stories in response to questions about situations or events
and especially
delusion A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everyone else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The belief is not one ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture (e.g., it is not an article of religious faith). When a false belief involves a value judgment, it is regarded as a delusion only when the judgment is so extreme as to defy credibility. Delusional conviction occurs on a continuum and can sometimes be inferred from an individual's behavior. It is often difficult to distinguish between a delusion and an overvalued idea (in which case the individual has an unreasonable belief or idea but does not hold it as firmly as is the case with a delusion). Delusions are subdivided according to their content. Some of the more common types are: bizarre; delusional jealousy; grandiose; delusion of reference; persecutory; somatic; thought broadcasting; thought insertion.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:53 pm#87
But YOU are a troll.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:54 pmlooks like tracy got the night shift.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:55 pmThis seems to be a pattern. every time GW drops in the polls, the terror warnings come.. Maybe I’m wrong, if so please correct me.
Comment by lylepink — August 13, 2006 @ 11:43
Wait until October. If he drops below thirty percent, they'll add a new "high" color to the Homeland Security chart: brown.
August 13th, 2006 at 11:56 pmYet more proof that Kristol is neo-con with a hard on for misinformation, fear, and war.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:03 am#249
Nostalgia describes a longing for the past, often idealized and unrealistic...i.e. the liberal mindset which is why most here are so hostile.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:05 am#251
No, just see what you guy are bitching about now.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:06 amNostalgia describes a longing for the past, often idealized and unrealistic…i.e. the liberal mindset which is why most here are so hostile.
Comment by Tracy — August
Hold tight to that. It will keep you warm as you head back to the political wilderness.
I think conservative ire has become more pronounced lately because they're watching as an incompetent and his think-tank handlers expose their precious ideology for the fraud it always was, and they can do nothing to stop it. The ones most pissed off must be the Scaifes, Coors, and others who invested all that time, money and energy into bringing conservative thought to the masses - only to see it piddled away by a group of nerdy neo-cons in six short years. "Fiscallly conservative" projections now are defined by overblown estimates, politically-driven and based on cooked figures, unrealistic assumptions, and pie-in-the-sky fake-populism. "Religious Conservative" now represents a non-Christ-like acceptance of collateral damage, intrusion into the sacred bond of matrimony when it suits a political agenda, and an exhaltation of riches-without-social-responsibility. "Social conservative" is now a person who surrenders other's rights to make themselves feel safe.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:11 amHave I missed any?
August 14th, 2006 at 12:13 amAzzaman, August 10, 2006
Unidentified gunmen have assassinated 720 medical staff and 300 university professors since U.S. troops landed in Baghdad in April 2003, new statistics have revealed.
The figures, issued by the Ministry of Health, show that more than 1000 Iraqi doctors have fled the country along with nearly 5000 university professors. The number of university professors fleeing has surpassed 4,000.
I guess they dont know what democracy is.
The exodus is the biggest in Iraqi history and far exceeds the numbers that had to flee the three decades of the rule of the ousted leader Saddam Hussein. The U.S. was supposed to bring freedom, democracy and security to the Iraqis who bore the brunt of Saddam Hussein’s regime and the U.S.-backed economic sanctions that had impoverished most of them.
Well, what you gonna do? Its not like US planned it.
Health services have deteriorated to levels unseen before amid the upsurge in violent attacks targeting the medical staff, a ministry source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said. Doctors now are afraid to work in their private clinics. The authorities have suggested providing bodyguards but Iraqi doctors have rejected the offer.
Health Minister Ali Al-Shamari told Azzaman in a recent interview that he was trying to persuade Iraqi doctors to move their private clinics to hospitals.
The suggestion was spurned by doctors because all services at Iraqi hospitals are free and it would look weird for doctors to charge visitors in state-run medical institutions.
Oh, so now Iraqi doctors are teaching dignity to us?
The doctors have turned away another suggestion by the minister to provide them with lodging and accommodations inside hospital premises.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:14 amDr. Isam al-Rawi, who heads Iraqi academics syndicate, said the union’s record show that 300 university professors have been “assassinated†since the U.S. invasion.
“Of course this figure does not include engineers and other holders of higher degrees,†he said.
Max Hastings
Monday August 14, 2006
The Guardian
George Bush sometimes sounds more like the Mahdi, preaching jihad against infidels, than the leader of a western democracy. In his regular radio address to the American people on Saturday he linked the British alleged aircraft plotters with Hizbullah in Lebanon, and these in turn with the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan.
All, said the president of the world's most powerful nation, share a "totalitarian ideology", and a desire to "establish a safe haven from which to attack free nations". Bush's remarks put me in mind of a proverb attributed to Ali ibn Abu Talib: "He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere."
In the United States a disturbingly large minority of people - polls suggest around 40% - remain willing to accept Bush's assertions that Americans and their allies, which chiefly means the British, are faced with a single global conspiracy by Islamic fundamentalists to destroy our societies.
In less credulous Britain one could nowadays fit into an old-fashioned telephone box those who believe anything Bush or Tony Blair says about foreign policy. Many of us are consumed with frustration. We know that we face a real threat from Muslim fundamentalists, and that we are unlikely to begin to defeat this until we see it for what it is: something infinitely more complex, diffuse and nuanced than the US president wishes to suppose.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:29 amagain the DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF LIBERAL: as opposed to the MADE UP ONES BY THE RESIDENT TROLLS
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:38 amOne more - THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE:
tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition [ant: conservative]
August 14th, 2006 at 12:40 amPardon me, but your ignorance is showing:
GOP lawmaker: Saddam linked to 9/11
N.C. representative says 'evidence is clear'
Then there's this one:
- Deroy Murdock (a conservative syndicated columnist for the Scripps Howard News Service and a contributing editor with National Review Online (nationalreview.com).)
Or how about this report?
Or maybe even this guy:
Bush stands by al Qaeda, Saddam link
Tuesday, June 15, 2004 Posted: 6:06 PM EDT (2206 GMT)
I close with this insightful analysis by the Christian Science Monitor:
The impact of Bush linking 9/11 and Iraq
American attitudes about a connection have changed, firming up the case for war.
By Linda Feldmann | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
What you have in the last article is an analysis of how one uses inference to sell a particular message while having the "wiggle room" to be able to say He never actually said what He inferred.
There's more out there, Mighty A, if you care to educate yourself. But then, you are consistent in your ignorance, and your insults.
If ignorance is bliss, you must be ecstatic.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:52 am#258 what happened to THE LIBERAL MEDIA ?? Surely the repubs will continue this one.
August 14th, 2006 at 12:57 am"prog-wacks"...? that's just like n-word isn't it. I wonder why there are such close simularities between racism and fanatical bigot Republicans attacking Liberals? Same mentality? Same thing.
August 14th, 2006 at 1:00 am#257
"...only to see it piddled away by a group of nerdy neo-cons in six short years."
The Republican i.e., ones in congress today who ran as conservatives and have since acted like liberals will be taken care of in due time. America isn't going to go back to the liberal glory days of social experimentation that did nothing but place a huge fiscal burden on the people.
August 14th, 2006 at 1:30 am#261 & #262
I wish they would practice what they preach and then people just might vote for them.
August 14th, 2006 at 1:32 amLiberal Americans = Al-Queda or the Taliban? Excuse me? Didn't former AG, John Ashcroft, insist on putting a 'Burka' on that statue? Ashcroft is a Republican. And GWB quietly closed the Bin Sultan AirForce Base in Saudi Arabia after 9/11, because Osama said that it was one of the reasons they attacked America. The 'Religious Right' are constantly trying to have their beliefs become the law of the land, and the Republican Congress is right there, doing all that they can to be accommodating to their 'base'. Once again, we are in "Opposite World", whatever BushCo is saying, the exact opposite of that is what is REALLY happening. That is why they appear to have so much 'insight' on these issues, they wrote the script!
August 14th, 2006 at 1:47 amThe Republican i.e., ones in congress today who ran as conservatives and have since acted like liberals will be taken care of in due time. America isn’t going to go back to the liberal glory days of social experimentation that did nothing but place a huge fiscal burden on the people.
Comment by Tracy — August 14, 2006
You are nutty. This has been going on since Reagan's term, and nothing's been done - except they keep getting re-elected for their "liberal" spending habits.
Predictably, the point went past you: "conservatism" is a failed ideology, and has been since Reagan exposed the intellectual fraud inherent in its precepts. It just took Bush's incompetance to finish it off. Every time a "conservative" goes to Washington, they abandon their weakly-held beliefs, and join the high-living crowd. Or they become sexual deviants. Ask John McCain.
August 14th, 2006 at 2:07 amI guess this is the one active TP thread tonight?! Supposedly the ceasefire in Lebanon takes place today, but Israel is itching for any excuse to break the agreement and blame Hezbollah! I give it about 2 or 3 days before Israel starts killing Lebanese civilians again! Shame on them!
August 14th, 2006 at 2:08 amNovember Predictions:
Another Al Qaeda Attack
Another Bin Laden Video
Another Rigged Election
Another Republican Sponsored Supreme Court Decision
August 14th, 2006 at 3:07 am#272; I have no doubt about it.
August 14th, 2006 at 7:39 amTracy pompously predicts that America will "deal with" republicans "who became liberals" while in Congress and that the country will not "go back to the good old liberal days.' Who can blame him?
Tracy, it seems, is a microcosm of his party. Revise history, overstate risks, engage in libel and slander all in the name of nationalism and patriotic fervor, control media outlets, railroad journalists who ask question, 'out' anyone who protests.....
And this gentleman wants to talk 'democracy.'
August 14th, 2006 at 8:10 amMahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, has started a blog.
http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/
In his first entry Ahmadinejad wrote about his childhood, the country's Islamic revolution and Iran's war with Iraq.
The blog also asks readers to participate in an online poll which asks if they think the United States and Israel are "pulling the trigger for another world war".
The blog is translated into English, French and Arabic.
August 14th, 2006 at 8:14 am275# Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, has started a blog.
http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/
The reason I give you this URL is so that the trolls can be cut to pieces with logic and show Ahmadinejad the mentality of 48% of american arseholes
August 14th, 2006 at 8:41 amSaw his interview last night with Mike Wallace. Kind of gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling to know that no matter where you go anymore, you can't trust the people in charge.
August 14th, 2006 at 8:45 amJust what in the heck does "deeply correct" really mean? They haven't been "correct" about much of anything since the beginning of the Bush administration, let alone the whole misadventure in Iraq.
The whole "we have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" claim is just utter bull$hit!! It didn't work for the Spanish nor the British. Besides, WHO are we actually fighting in Iraq? Does anyone seriously believe that the only people committing violent acts in Iraq are "terrorists" or foreign jihadists? To be sure, there are foreign fighters in Iraq but one simply cannot honestly believe that all of the chaos in Iraq is being caused by Al Qaeda. The United States is (once again!) stuck in on foreign soil in the middle of a civil war (Korea, Vietnam, etc.) and we are losing troops, money and equipment for no good reason.
Kristol has no ground to stand upon with his arguments. He has been consistently and "deeply" wrong about every step of the war in Iraq. Why does anyone listen to these people anymore?
August 14th, 2006 at 8:47 amWhy?
"Daddy" syndrome, of course. I have to think that the 33% that still supports these traitors must be peeing their panties every time the word "terror" hits the public stage. All you see now are the Cheneys capitalizing on that fear..and trying to make others fearful, as well.
Oldest trick in the book. How else can one explain individuals believing this claptrap?
August 14th, 2006 at 8:51 amAs I said earlier, the Republican Party has become the Party of Fear and Smear.
August 14th, 2006 at 9:26 amSo neo-con neo-nazi Kristol wants the USA to stay in Iraq (with absolute power of life and death over all we survey, no questions asked or answered) continue supporting Israel's bombing of Lebanon, expand that war into Syria, and then on to Iran. He has said "we must attack Iran."
WHAT PERSONAL SACRIFICE is William Kristol willing to maek to obtain these great and glorious goals? Shouldn't he, like Abraham, offer up his own sons (and/or daughters) on the altar of this glorious sacrifce? Shouldn't her urge all of us Americans to patriotically ramp up our procreation (birth rate) to provide the bodies to police and maintain Kristol's Pax RomanoMerica in lands that number some 100 million souls, most of whom are not/will not be happy to see us in their homelands? You know, take a page from the original Nazis, and have our women dutifully procreating under a picture of Dear Leader, "Do it for love of the furher, and for the greater glory of the Chosen race(s)!"
August 14th, 2006 at 10:38 amSomeone should ask these sorry excuses for human beings that if they're so god damned worried about Bin Laden why did they attack Iraq?How come you haven't spent the last 5yrs looking for this mythical being?Why didn't we go in and throttle the Saudis,considering most of these guys were from there if you listen to garbage that has spewed from our so called law enforcement agencies the last 5yrs.If any one of you out there still believe anything these right wing idiots say,seek help,seek it quickly or you may end up buying a bridge somewhere or some swamp land in FLA.Geez,enough is enough altready.
August 14th, 2006 at 11:35 amBy the same logic, it is "indisputably correct" that Bush helped out bin Laden when he pulled U.S. forces off of the hunt for bin Laden and sent them to Iraq. And also "indisputably correct" that Bush helped al Queada by invading Iraq and turning it into the worlds best terrorist recruiting center. What do ya, Bill? Is Bush the "al Queada President," or what?
August 14th, 2006 at 12:15 pm…….america is to blame….blah blah blah….america is to blame….blah blah blah…..Bush is the devil…..blah blah….Rove will eat you babies if you give him the chance……blah blah blah….WE planned 9/11…blah blah blah….All the hurricanes and other natural occuring weather patterns have been caused within the past six years…blah blah blah…..Religion=Satan….blah blah blah…..terrorism is not as big of a problem as most people think…blah blah blah….Cheney’s daughter is gay because he abused her….blah blah blah…..Gore won!!! Blah blah blah…..Kerry was defeated by a bunch of religious fanatics….blah blah blah……Cindy Sheehan should never be questioned….blah blah blah…..the main-stream media is in Bushs back pocket….blah blah blah….Saddam was running a tidy little country…..blah blah blah….Israel has over-reached……blah blah blah……the failure of american schools is all Bushs fault…..blah blah blah…….health care? Bushs fault…blah blah blah….social security? Bushs fault…..blah blah blah……sunburn on the beach?Bushs fault…blah blah blah…..speeding ticket?Bushs fault…….blah blah blah….constipation?Bushs fault….blah blah….blah….
I think I may have forgotten something….Did I say blah blah blah?
August 14th, 2006 at 12:47 pmMy claim that Bill Kristol is an asshole is indisputably correct.
ZING!
August 14th, 2006 at 12:52 pmIs posting the same comment on more than one thread an example of "blah, blah, blah"?
August 14th, 2006 at 12:54 pm#269
"except they keep getting re-elected for their “liberal†spending habits.
"Every time a “conservative†goes to Washington, they abandon their weakly-held beliefs, and join the high-living crowd."
Yes those who have gone to Washington lately as true conservatives have gotten suckered into the liberal mindset of spend, spend, spend, in order to attempt to solve people's problems...which doesn't 75% of the time BTW. "High-living crowd"...i.e. the liberal elitist snobs that infests Washington D.C. today.
"Predictably, the point went past you: “conservatism†is a failed ideology, and has been since Reagan exposed the intellectual fraud inherent in its precepts."
LOL! Reagan is exposed the intellectual fraud the liberalism is which is why since he spanked Dukakis in 1984, conservatism has replaced liberalism and it's failures....in the U.S. at least.
August 14th, 2006 at 1:12 pm#274
"go back to the good old liberal days."
What good old liberal days? It was good for a while and now we are paying for it thru the nose today.
"And this gentleman wants to talk ‘democracy.’ "
Which is what the liberals DON'T want to talk about...unless of course only when it affects their inherited democracy but then they basically say "screw everyone else they aren't worth it", i.e. the Iraqis.
August 14th, 2006 at 1:20 pmOne of my favorite things to do is read the Reader's Comments. I usually learn a great deal from you guys and find excellent links to other sites where I can fact check a story. However, on this thread, there are too many damned responses to the lunatic freeper.
August 14th, 2006 at 1:24 pmThe best way to make a stray cat go away is to STOP FEEDING IT! Today I had to trudge through hundreds of arguments with the idiot freepers to find good responses.
Also, the top comment about the PNAC was excellent. If the news media would tell people about the neocon's plan and print "Rebuilding America's Defenses" in the papers, I'm convinced the sheeple would wake up and fight this crap.
Please, stop feeding the Right Wing sheeple freepers! They LOVE the attention.
Dharma - - Most trolls view our participation on lefty sites as a PUBLIC service (we assist the progressive community by not allowing them to become dreaded "ditto-heads". (How many different ways can 50 people say "I hate George Bush and EVERYTHING he is FOR?) Secondly, we advise you to carefully scrutinize when linking to the sites referenced here - especially if you are attempting to "fact-check" - - ha-ha-ha...that's rich.....
Busy day.....
August 14th, 2006 at 1:31 pmTracy, if you aren't in PR, you should be. Youre apologist approach would have the read believe that he is better off now than under the Clinton administration. Perhaps we all need to check our bottom lines, and let's begin with energy costs. So much for that argument.
I like your style. Revise, revise, revise and belittle. Especially humorous are your comments on "inherited" democracy. Let me guess the next line of thinking: "freedom ain't free." Yawn. While I know that the 8th grade mentality will put their hands over their hearts upon reading your words of inspiration, you forget that the last two quagmires, Iraq and Vietnam, have been instigated by trigger-happy GOP-types at the helm.
Most notably, you'd have me goose-stepping to chords of "God Bless America" when we are led by cowards. Who more than Bush, Cheney, Wolfie and the gang have INHERITED more and have done nothing in the process than these guys? Who are you fooling?
I have read horseshit before...pure horseshit...but that takes the cake. Presidents who were AWOL for their service.....cabinet members rife with deferments....and you have the balls to talk about INHERITED DEMOCRACY???
Who do you think you are, sir?
August 14th, 2006 at 1:37 pmGood old liberal days? Do you mean when Clinton dragged the country out of the deficit Reagan and Bush I got us into and spoke intelligently and articulately -- and sometimes with great human feeling -- about national and international issues? Do you mean those good old liberal days?
August 14th, 2006 at 1:40 pmSeems to me the Iraq war has put us -- let's see -- how many trillions in debt? Can't blame libs for that one, trolls! And how many Iraqis were part of 9/11?Can you spell Z-E-R-O? What leap of logic was that, to connect Iraq to 9/11? And hey, five years later, where's Osama?
#292....Well put, Mighty Aphrodite:
"Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick"
August 14th, 2006 at 1:50 pmLet's spell it out, shall we? Tracy and his like-minded brethren hated Clinton because of the pecker incident, first, and somehow, in their pea-brained minds that was an impeachable offense. Somehow, "outing" an American spy to get at her husband is ok. Hell, they hang people for such a crime in other governments.
Clinton enacted policies that aided the economy and did more for the country at home.
9/11
Iraq
Oil
Valerie Plame
Social Security
The Deficit
On these issues alone, the man and his administration have shown themselves to be the worst administration in the modern history of the US.
August 14th, 2006 at 1:50 pm"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past."
Richard M. Nixon
any comments from the trolls?
August 14th, 2006 at 1:59 pmHorseD*^g incorrectly repeats the same worn OUT line: "Tracy and his like-minded brethren hated Clinton because of the pecker incident, first, and somehow, in their pea-brained minds that was an impeachable offense."
******* No, Horse, the "pecker incident" didn't surprise or faze us - most of us understand the frailities of human nature. We were incensed at his LYING UNDER OATH. Apparently your thoughts never travel farther north than your belt-line...
And for the sensitive prog-men/women, your deafening silence while a "sister" was attempting to take legal action against a sexual predator exposes the phonies of NOW....
Joe outed Val in his attempt to cover up his sorry a$$ and tired lie that "the Administrstion" sent him to NIGER.....
August 14th, 2006 at 3:01 pmMA - graduate of the SCHOOL OF ANN COULTER -
August 14th, 2006 at 3:23 pm#293
"Youre apologist approach would have the read believe that he is better off now than under the Clinton administration"
As if Clinton's policies had much to do with the economic growth of the 1990s...LOL!
Revise, revise AND correct YOUR point...Vietnam was conducted by liberal bafoons named Kennedy and Johnston. Apologist for those two....I guess.
"Yawn."
Spoken like a true liberal.
"Who more than Bush, Cheney, Wolfie and the gang have INHERITED more and have done nothing in the process than these guys?"
Clinton....and you of course.
"Who do you think you are, sir?"
Same as you someone who inherited democracy. I guess next think you will try and pull is say that you served in the military.
August 14th, 2006 at 3:25 pm#294
"Do you mean when Clinton dragged the country out of the deficit Reagan"
Clinton was forced to sign the balanced budget amendment and it sure WASN'T his ideal.
August 14th, 2006 at 3:27 pm#296
"Tracy and his like-minded brethren hated Clinton"
I didn't and don't hate Clinton, it's just that he rode the American economy like one of his interns for all it was worth and then tried to take credit for the economic growth of the 1990s. The people made the economy grow not him.
"Clinton enacted policies that aided the economy and did more for the country at home."
Like what? Balanced budget amendment?...no. Social Security reform?..no.
"Somehow, “outing†an American spy to get at her husband is ok."
Who did this?
August 14th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#299 - "MA - graduate of the SCHOOL OF ANN COULTER" - Comment by madashell
August 14th, 2006 at 3:40 pm*******Dear Mr. MaDaschle - I graduated summa cum laude....let me know when you're ready to graduate from the Head Start program - we'll send our heartiest congratulations.....
WHAT MA? No comment about the Nixon quote? WHO GIVES A F*CK about your supposed degree anyway? I know I sure as HELL DON'T.
August 14th, 2006 at 3:45 pmHigh-living crowdâ€â€¦i.e. the liberal elitist snobs that infests(SIC) Washington D.C. today.
LOL! Reagan is exposed the intellectual fraud the liberalism is which is why since he spanked Dukakis in 1984, conservatism has replaced liberalism and it’s failures….in the U.S. at least.
Comment by Tracy
Tracy,
August 14th, 2006 at 4:24 pmA little bit of history, which you could have looked up first: Reagan ran against Walter Mondale in 1984; it was daddy Bush who ran against Dukasis in 1988.
Just in case you haven't noticed, currently the Republicans are the majority in both houses and also occupy the White House. Moreover, Tom Delay did his best to see that only Republican lobbyists could get work on K Street. So who are all the liberal elitist snobs that you think infest Washington D.C. today? The true high-living crowd seem to be your beloved Republicans who have allowed the record deficit to grow and grow. Your "liberal elitist" bunk is just that: another hackneyed Gluttons-Of-Plenty talking point. (And incidentally, since you don't seem to know much even about recent history, it was a former Republican President, Theodore Roosevelt, who first called the party "Gluttons-Of-Plenty.")
Here's what we know: To avert the public's eyes away from Bush and Blair's increasing political woes, intelligence operatives in the United States, Israel, and Britain including Rupert Murdoch's global media empire, cooked up the terrorist plot, liberally borrowing from the failed 1995 "Oplan Bojinka" air plot. The London terror plan was "known" last Sunday by British and American authorities, American Airlines flight 109 from London Heathrow to Boston boarded an agent posing with a family of five, however, as the plane left Heathrow authorities determined that the father (agent) appeared on a British suspect list drawn up after the 7/7 London transit coverup.
August 14th, 2006 at 5:56 pmAt first, the pilot was instructed to fly all the way to Boston where U.S. authorities could claim credit for apprehending the suspect. However, the pilot, fearing for the safety of his passengers and crew, refused and quickly returned to Heathrow without informing the passengers. Once on the ground, the 007 boys deliberately discovered the father (agent) had in his carry-on baggage the type of combination liquid explosive and electronic device now being hyped by the British and American media. This hogwash has gone on long enough, When are these two fools going to grow some balls and step down so the world can get back to normal ?
Conclusion: US, UK & Israel opposed the immedient crease fire in Lebanon, who were also behind the 911 terror attack and who are behind this latest terror plot.
PNAC needs terrorism like they needed a new Pearl harbor in order to "advance" their agenda.
August 14th, 2006 at 6:11 pmMaDaschle - Are you also posting under the name William Depperman?? If not, you might have a new playmate - you seem to have MUCH in common.
Re: Your Nixon quote: I enjoyed your referencing a quote criticizing the inept handling of the Viet Nam war by LBJ and that phony Secretary of Defense, Robert MacNamara.... Just like today, leftists did NOT want to win that war either...To read a prog-wack quoting political Nixon (vs. Commander in Chief Nixon) is just tooooo precious... Good work!!!
August 14th, 2006 at 6:27 pm"Thank goodness our friends and allies did not desert us during our civil war".-comment by Mighty Aphrodite-August 3, 2006 @3:22 pm
but you can NOT hide.I will bitch-slap you on this EVERY day until you confess to making up BS.
August 14th, 2006 at 7:09 pmMighty Moron; Why don't you present your evidence or fess up? Why are you avoiding answering the question? Could it be that when confronted that you are a "cut and run coward", like your neocon "heroes"?
August 14th, 2006 at 7:46 pmHey Zooey, it's popcorn time! Remember, I want extra butter on mine, but hold the salt(save that for rubbing into the moron's wounds).
August 14th, 2006 at 7:50 pm#305
Thanks for the correction Mondale/Dukakis...same tripe.
"Moreover, Tom Delay did his best to see that only Republican lobbyists could get work on K Street. So who are all the liberal elitist snobs that you think infest Washington D.C. today?"
I wasn't talking about lobbiests, but the current crop of liberal republicans who don't have a clue as to what conservative means...along with the regular liberal elitist snobs like Kerry, Kennedy, Boxer, Durbin, ect... I agree that DeLay let liberal Republican lobbyists wrongly infest K-Street. They have corrupted everything.
"The true high-living crowd seem to be your beloved Republicans who have allowed the record deficit to grow and grow."
Beloved republicans? The current lot sucks as conservatives go. We are going to do the same thing the Lamont did to Lieberman...get the incumbents out during the primaries.
August 14th, 2006 at 7:54 pmRock on America!!
BushCo is going down in November!!
August 14th, 2006 at 8:04 pmBut let us remember. kristol is a neo-con who sees no evidence that iraq is in a Civil war. so creditability is not high on his list.
August 14th, 2006 at 8:36 pmdixie, IRI is back too, saw his post on another thread recently.
August 14th, 2006 at 8:40 pmKristol is a pathological liar.
Terrorism is the expression of anger based on frustration and impotence. We have to ask what anger and frustration caused terrorists to attack on Sept 11, 2001? The George Bush logic: “They hate us because of our freedom and our wealth†is naïve beyond belief. No one dares ask the question in the U.S. Why? Perhaps it is because the answer is too ugly. It is buried in the history of Iran, Guatemala, Chile, Nicaragua, The Phillipines, even Hawaii, etc., etc.,
Bush's war against Iraq has created a bonanza for the recruitment of young Muslim terrorists, and we have infinitely more terrorists in the world today than we had on 09/10/01. It is also a bonanza for the military/industrial/congressional complex in the U.S.
If Osama were captured today, would that not diminish the adrenalin and hysteria of people like Bill Kristol, needed to continue this charade – this “war on terrorism� Would his capture be greeted as a great disappointment within the Military/Industrial/Congressional Complex. (We always need “enemies†to arouse fear and hatred among our citizens.)
We use terrorist tactics ostensibly to eliminate terrorism, but our terrorist enemies multiply like rabbits.
We take two steps forward and end up three steps backward. But “terrorism†remains the catch-word used by those in power to keep us living in fear.
If every blogger, every honest editor, every concerned minister, and everyone else concerned about the corruption of this government and its imperialistic ambitions would constantly denounce the use of the term “war on terrorismâ€, perhaps we could then begin to address this real problem—U.S. imperialism.
August 14th, 2006 at 9:26 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — August 14, 2006 @ 1:01 pm
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 14, 2006 @ 3:40 pm
"Feelings of superiority..." Projecting again Mighty A? Would you kindly tell us from where you graduated summa cum laude? Did you make Order of the Coif? If you are a prime example of the best that institution can produce, I would like to tell my students to avoid going there!
And, really, it does not take a great deal of intellectual prowess to point out the foolisness of your assertions. All one need have is a working knowledge of how to google. I found the above articles from and about conservatives linking Saddam to 9/11 in only a few minutes.
Now, if my posts causes you to feel intellectually inferior, so be it. When you come on here and claim to be a lawyer and a summa cum laude graduate from...wherever, you should be held to a higher standard of intellectual arguments. Yet you seem to be reduced to name calling. It's rather pathetic, in my opinion.
August 14th, 2006 at 9:35 pmthe neocons balls are in a big vice,that is being screwed tighter each day. america is finally waking up to their lies.
August 14th, 2006 at 10:35 pm[...] Bill Kristol is rarely unsure about anything; Sunday was no exception. Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," Kristol told host Chris Wallace that "the notion that a retreat in Iraq would not embolden terrorists elsewhere in the Middle East, and terror recruiters in the suburbs of London, is ludicrous… It’s just factually true that our pulling out of Iraq will be bad for us in the global war on terror." [...]
August 14th, 2006 at 11:13 pm#316 Dixie Blood,
August 15th, 2006 at 2:02 amI was busy over the weekend and missed reading Jason M. Hendler's claims of being a "Stanford, and therefore, Ivy League, graduate." I hope this doesn't put me on your troll list, but I am a bonafide Ivy League grad and would like to say that Stanford ranks right up there in prestige with the Ivy League. However, I think a bonafide Stanford grad would know enough not to claim that it is an Ivy League school and let its name stand on its own merit.
Moreover, once I actually made it to an Ivy League university, I realized there are all sorts of types within the student body--and not all of them necessarily very intelligent. The Ivies have their legacies, for example, like George W. Bush, who normally couldn't have entered on the basis of their high school records and SATs. There also students who got in on athletic scholarships but usually aren't such good students. Then there are some like William Kristol (Harvard), Ann Coulter (Cornell) or Laura Ingraham (Dartmouth) who may have had the ability to do well on SATs other tests but prove to be idiots in later life. Actually Kristol may have been a legacy, too. Does anyone know which university his father, Irving, attended?
#320 Briseadh na Faire,
I think Mighty Hypocrite may have been referring to the SCHOOL OF ANN COULTER when he/she wrote that he/she graduated summa cum laude. Certainly that's the only school he/she has the mental faculties to graduate with honors from.
August 15th, 2006 at 2:08 amDixie Blood,
August 15th, 2006 at 2:10 amYour list left out
Memphis Minnie
Moonbat Patrol (who is probably the same person as "I Hate Liberal" and "reddog")
Lora - Congratulations!!! YOU are so much brighter than I ever gave you credit for!!! Poor Braid Fair - a sense of humour - should you ever find, or develop one, is a MARVELOUS asset for the terminally self-important....
Good night....
August 15th, 2006 at 2:22 amThanks Lora, I think you hit the nail on the head. Mighty A does seem to project his/her-its own flaws onto others. He/she-it does have a certain consistency: when confronted with the truth, resort to name-calling.
And, as the Spanish would day, Vaya con Dios.
August 15th, 2006 at 9:46 am# 326. dixie blood:
Why don't you say the same thing about 'unbelievable' when she mouth's off about her intelligence,careers,good looks and other made up bullshit?
August 15th, 2006 at 12:37 pmYou would have more credibility if you were consistent in your criticism.
#315
Your list on how to get on the troll list just implicated EVERYONE in this blog in one way or another....your list doesn't include 1/10 of the names that should be on it including yourself.
August 15th, 2006 at 1:21 pmContemptable gravel-voiced chickenhawk.
August 15th, 2006 at 1:56 pm#330 Tracy,
August 15th, 2006 at 5:43 pmBelow is Wikipedia's definition of an Internet troll:
"In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established online community such as a discussion forum and posts deliberately controversial, inflammatory, insulting or otherwise offensive messages designed to annoy or antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion."
You have accused me of being a "troll" here in the past and now Dixie Blood, although our postings have generally fit in with the flow of the discussion and have not been antagonistic, like yours. You seem to think that everyone who doesn't agree with you even on a liberal/progressive site like TP must be a troll, just the way you obviously believe (as shown in #313) that the Republican Party has no room for anything but conservative voices. Well, you can do what you want with the GOP, but on a liberal/progressive site you are a troll. If you don't like being called that, then post elsewhere.
Dixie Blood,
August 15th, 2006 at 7:59 pmI haven't been criticizing your Troll List; I was criticizing Tracy for calling you a "troll."
Read over my message to Tracy in #332; you completely misunderstood it.
Dixie,
August 15th, 2006 at 8:18 pmI accept you apology. Please read things with a cooler head from now on.
Your list is still missing Memphis Minnie and Moonbat Patrol (who is probably the same person as I Hate Liberals and reddog).
Dixie blood, I'm glad you and Lora got that straightened out. I've read Lora's posts, and she is by no means a troll. She is, in my opinion, one of the most educated persons who post here.
Lora, Moonbat Patrol is I-Right-I.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:09 pm[...] Kristol: Cheney s Claim That Lamont Win Helps Al-Qaeda Types …Think Progress, DC - Aug 13, 2006Last week, Vice President Dick Cheney called Ned Lamont s win in the Connecticut primary disturbing because the al Qaeda types, they clearly are … [...]
August 16th, 2006 at 8:00 am#332
Explain then, how dixie blood's "troll list" has anything to do with the original topic of this particular thread. Pretty much troll like.
"You have accused me of being a “troll†here in the past and now Dixie Blood, although our postings have generally fit in with the flow of the discussion and have not been antagonistic, like yours."
The flow of the discussion? You have chimmed in multiple time to do nothing more than respone to my posts that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. If I see something that I think is BS then I will voice my opinion. This is a debate forum isn't it?...or would you rather this be a ra-ra cheering blog where EVERYONE agrees with everyone else, i.e. a bunch of zombies that all think alike?
"You seem to think that everyone who doesn’t agree with you even on a liberal/progressive site like TP must be a troll..."
As per your definition of a troll, I don't think I fit the definition 90% of the time. I don't post here "...to annoy or antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion.†I post here to debate and test ideology and see how others think...or don't. I post here to see other's point of view. Now if TP, and you BTW are no more a member than I, want's to make this a site where there is no debate then they needs to make people log in and have passwords and this can be the utopia that you are dreaming of where it's nothing more than a big circle jerk.
"...just the way you obviously believe (as shown in #313) that the Republican Party has no room for anything but conservative voices."
Just like the Democratic Party has no room for anything but liberal voices? Give me a break!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:00 pmI'm glad to see so many people in agreement with me about Billy Kristol.
What can you expect from someone who was Dan Quayle's chief of staff?
What can you expect from someone who told NPR on April 03: "There is a certain amount of pop sociology in America...that the Shia can't get along with the Sunni and the Shia in Iran just want to establish some kind of fundamentalist regime. There is almost no evidence of that at all. Iraq's always been very secualr."
Why is this guy on NPR if NPR is so much part of the "left wing media"?
Why is anyone listening to Bill Kristol at all?
How can such a person with such a weak grasp on world events get so much media attention??
I must rest now.
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