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	<title>Comments on: Right Wing Politicizes London Plot While Calling For â€˜National Unityâ€™ On Terrorism</title>
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		<title>By: just a thought</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/14/politicizing-london-plot/comment-page-2/#comment-735504</link>
		<dc:creator>just a thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonser -- nice for you to quote a philosophy professor on history.  How about a respected historian, at least?  Second, the references relating the neocons to Nazis are not one-for-one precisely-in-every-detail-the-same. No one claims that there are parallel upbringings.  The comments refer to policy and attemted policy.  Sure, it is easy to show how any one person in the world does not have the same life experiences as any other person in the world.  True.  But the policies either attained or sought by this administration and their tactics are similar to (NOT an &quot;identity&quot; with) with Nazi policies and tactics.  I know that you are smarter than this, so don&#039;t present dishonest arguments to skew the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonser &#8212; nice for you to quote a philosophy professor on history.  How about a respected historian, at least?  Second, the references relating the neocons to Nazis are not one-for-one precisely-in-every-detail-the-same. No one claims that there are parallel upbringings.  The comments refer to policy and attemted policy.  Sure, it is easy to show how any one person in the world does not have the same life experiences as any other person in the world.  True.  But the policies either attained or sought by this administration and their tactics are similar to (NOT an &#8220;identity&#8221; with) with Nazi policies and tactics.  I know that you are smarter than this, so don&#8217;t present dishonest arguments to skew the point.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=735504', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/14/politicizing-london-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-730413</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24 - The line I wrote was the poster that appears throughout the film version of &quot;V for Vendetta&quot;, followed up by paraphrasing the line that the Voice of London says at the end of his propaganda show, &quot;England Prevails!&quot;
If you haven&#039;t seen the movie, England is under an extreme right wing/facist government in the near future.

In other words, I was attacking the use of the phrase &#039;National Unity&#039;, not spreading republican propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24 &#8211; The line I wrote was the poster that appears throughout the film version of &#8220;V for Vendetta&#8221;, followed up by paraphrasing the line that the Voice of London says at the end of his propaganda show, &#8220;England Prevails!&#8221;<br />
If you haven&#8217;t seen the movie, England is under an extreme right wing/facist government in the near future.</p>
<p>In other words, I was attacking the use of the phrase &#8216;National Unity&#8217;, not spreading republican propaganda.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=730413', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Joneser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joneser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can i have the high horse back now? lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can i have the high horse back now? lol<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=729776', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: KingCranky</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/14/politicizing-london-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-729702</link>
		<dc:creator>KingCranky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the trolls always pathetic &quot;change the topic&quot; strategy still won&#039;t result in one more vote for the GOP going into November, nor will it get them noticed by their economic superiors they so desperately want attention from

I know us libs are still standing after an absolutely brutal 6 year reign for the Administration and the GOP, yet the second public approval turns against Dear Leader Kim Chimpy Jong W Il, the blathering radical neocons-who do NOT represent the political or social mainstream in this country-whimper and squeal like the most scalded of pigs at the first sign of hard times ahead

Very much like the situation in Bosnia-People had the mistaken impression that the Serb military was tougher than the Muslims it tried so ruthlessly to crush and obliterate, and the Serbs gained the &quot;toughness&quot; reputation because they racked up victory after victory

But that reputation was a joke, the toughness was on the part of the Bosnians who survived the Serbs onslaught and kept fighting back

And when the Serbs suffered their first military defeat in Bosnia, suddenly that peace plan they were so quick to laugh off previously didn&#039;t seem like such a bad deal after all

And in the end, it didn&#039;t matter in the least, the Criminal Syndicate known as the Milosevic regime was wiped out, it&#039;s leaders either assassinated (Arkan), on the run (Karadzic &amp; Miladic) or, best of all, died in captivity (Milosevic)

Seems the end of the Milosevic Thugs regime is a damn good model for the people to force upon the same type of rapacious bastards running both the Administration and GOP

And that&#039;s why the GOP is pulling out all the stops on dirty tricks and criminal actions in order to maintain it&#039;s hold on the legislative branch&#039;s non-oversight of the Administration, because they know if they lose control of even just one chamber of Congress, the subpeonas start flying-And war-profiteering due to no-bid, no-oversight contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan would be the perfect place to start the process

Unfortunately for the GOP, the tide has definitely turned against their policies that exist only to enrich those already at the very top of the economic ladder while making life as rough and brutal as possible for all who don&#039;t cut the GOP big campaign contributions, and make no mistake, the massive corruption encouraged by the GOP is definitely putting this country at risk from enemies both military and economic

I&#039;m not a Dem, but it&#039;s good to see that they&#039;re starting to finally play by the rules Rove set, with the notable exception of not having to lie when it comes to all the negative actions of the Bush jr Administration and the GOP.  It looks like the party as a whole is finally starting to show a desperately needed spine so far shown only by a few members, most notably, but not limited to, Feingold, Murtha, Conyers, Durbin, Reid, Dodd, the CBC, &amp; Kennedy 

The GOP and Administration are badly hurt at this point, and now the Dems have to really pour it on by attacking on every point possible, not one bit of political mercy should be shown or tolerated towards hurting these GOP bastards &amp; their willing Dem lapdogs like Lieberman. when they&#039;re down, dazed and reeling

The radical neocons know their time is rightly coming to an end, and the sooner they&#039;re relegated to their proper place on history&#039;s rubbish heap, the better it is for all of us who love this country and our Constitution

The Constitution will survive it&#039;s latest GOP enemies, just like it survived the Civil War, both World Wars, and all US military conflicts since then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the trolls always pathetic &#8220;change the topic&#8221; strategy still won&#8217;t result in one more vote for the GOP going into November, nor will it get them noticed by their economic superiors they so desperately want attention from</p>
<p>I know us libs are still standing after an absolutely brutal 6 year reign for the Administration and the GOP, yet the second public approval turns against Dear Leader Kim Chimpy Jong W Il, the blathering radical neocons-who do NOT represent the political or social mainstream in this country-whimper and squeal like the most scalded of pigs at the first sign of hard times ahead</p>
<p>Very much like the situation in Bosnia-People had the mistaken impression that the Serb military was tougher than the Muslims it tried so ruthlessly to crush and obliterate, and the Serbs gained the &#8220;toughness&#8221; reputation because they racked up victory after victory</p>
<p>But that reputation was a joke, the toughness was on the part of the Bosnians who survived the Serbs onslaught and kept fighting back</p>
<p>And when the Serbs suffered their first military defeat in Bosnia, suddenly that peace plan they were so quick to laugh off previously didn&#8217;t seem like such a bad deal after all</p>
<p>And in the end, it didn&#8217;t matter in the least, the Criminal Syndicate known as the Milosevic regime was wiped out, it&#8217;s leaders either assassinated (Arkan), on the run (Karadzic &amp; Miladic) or, best of all, died in captivity (Milosevic)</p>
<p>Seems the end of the Milosevic Thugs regime is a damn good model for the people to force upon the same type of rapacious bastards running both the Administration and GOP</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why the GOP is pulling out all the stops on dirty tricks and criminal actions in order to maintain it&#8217;s hold on the legislative branch&#8217;s non-oversight of the Administration, because they know if they lose control of even just one chamber of Congress, the subpeonas start flying-And war-profiteering due to no-bid, no-oversight contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan would be the perfect place to start the process</p>
<p>Unfortunately for the GOP, the tide has definitely turned against their policies that exist only to enrich those already at the very top of the economic ladder while making life as rough and brutal as possible for all who don&#8217;t cut the GOP big campaign contributions, and make no mistake, the massive corruption encouraged by the GOP is definitely putting this country at risk from enemies both military and economic</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a Dem, but it&#8217;s good to see that they&#8217;re starting to finally play by the rules Rove set, with the notable exception of not having to lie when it comes to all the negative actions of the Bush jr Administration and the GOP.  It looks like the party as a whole is finally starting to show a desperately needed spine so far shown only by a few members, most notably, but not limited to, Feingold, Murtha, Conyers, Durbin, Reid, Dodd, the CBC, &amp; Kennedy </p>
<p>The GOP and Administration are badly hurt at this point, and now the Dems have to really pour it on by attacking on every point possible, not one bit of political mercy should be shown or tolerated towards hurting these GOP bastards &amp; their willing Dem lapdogs like Lieberman. when they&#8217;re down, dazed and reeling</p>
<p>The radical neocons know their time is rightly coming to an end, and the sooner they&#8217;re relegated to their proper place on history&#8217;s rubbish heap, the better it is for all of us who love this country and our Constitution</p>
<p>The Constitution will survive it&#8217;s latest GOP enemies, just like it survived the Civil War, both World Wars, and all US military conflicts since then.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=729702', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Joneser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joneser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#45

oh, oh, wait... here is one... he was a religious zealot like Buch and Cheney...
....

&lt;em&gt;The reference to Christ notwithstanding, he was not personally a Christian, regarding the Catholicism he was baptized into as an irrational superstition. In fact he admired Islam more than Christianity, and he and his policies were highly respected by many of the Muslims of his day. He and his associates had a special distaste for the Catholic Church and, given a choice, preferred modern liberalized Protestantism, taking the view that the best form of Christianity would be one that forsook the traditional other-worldly focus on personal salvation and accommodated itself to the requirements of a program for social justice to be implemented by the state. They also considered the possibility that Christianity might eventually have to be abandoned altogether in favor of a return to paganism, a worldview many of them saw as more humane and truer to the heritage of their people. For he and his associates believed strongly that a people&#039;s ethnic and racial heritage was what mattered most. Some endorsed a kind of cultural relativism according to which what is true or false and right or wrong in some sense depends on one&#039;s ethnic worldview, and especially on what best promotes the well-being of one&#039;s ethnic group&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#45</p>
<p>oh, oh, wait&#8230; here is one&#8230; he was a religious zealot like Buch and Cheney&#8230;<br />
&#8230;.</p>
<p><em>The reference to Christ notwithstanding, he was not personally a Christian, regarding the Catholicism he was baptized into as an irrational superstition. In fact he admired Islam more than Christianity, and he and his policies were highly respected by many of the Muslims of his day. He and his associates had a special distaste for the Catholic Church and, given a choice, preferred modern liberalized Protestantism, taking the view that the best form of Christianity would be one that forsook the traditional other-worldly focus on personal salvation and accommodated itself to the requirements of a program for social justice to be implemented by the state. They also considered the possibility that Christianity might eventually have to be abandoned altogether in favor of a return to paganism, a worldview many of them saw as more humane and truer to the heritage of their people. For he and his associates believed strongly that a people&#8217;s ethnic and racial heritage was what mattered most. Some endorsed a kind of cultural relativism according to which what is true or false and right or wrong in some sense depends on one&#8217;s ethnic worldview, and especially on what best promotes the well-being of one&#8217;s ethnic group</em><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=729622', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Joneser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joneser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#45
You mean neocons like nazis because they are anti-smoking, anti-semetic, anti-animal slaughter, pro-human experimentation if they are thought to be an inferior group, pro union, anti-religious, anti-gun, and secular?

hmmm... sounds like a good connection to me... lets see what a Philosophy professor Edward Fesser said about Hitler....

&lt;em&gt;....He had been something of a bohemian in his youth, and always regarded young people and their idealism as the key to progress and the overcoming of outmoded prejudices. And he was widely admired by the young people of his country, many of whom belonged to organizations devoted to practicing and propagating his teachings. He had a lifelong passion for music, art, and architecture, and was even something of a painter. He rejected what he regarded as petty bourgeois moral hang-ups, and he and his girlfriend &quot;lived together&quot; for years. He counted a number of homosexuals as friends and collaborators, and took the view that a man&#039;s personal morals were none of his business; some scholars of his life believe that he himself may have been homosexual or bisexual. He was ahead of his time where a number of contemporary progressive causes are concerned: he disliked smoking, regarding it as a serious danger to public health, and took steps to combat it; he was a vegetarian and animal lover; he enacted tough gun control laws; and he advocated euthanasia for the incurably ill. &lt;/em&gt;

sounds close right?!... nah...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#45<br />
You mean neocons like nazis because they are anti-smoking, anti-semetic, anti-animal slaughter, pro-human experimentation if they are thought to be an inferior group, pro union, anti-religious, anti-gun, and secular?</p>
<p>hmmm&#8230; sounds like a good connection to me&#8230; lets see what a Philosophy professor Edward Fesser said about Hitler&#8230;.</p>
<p><em>&#8230;.He had been something of a bohemian in his youth, and always regarded young people and their idealism as the key to progress and the overcoming of outmoded prejudices. And he was widely admired by the young people of his country, many of whom belonged to organizations devoted to practicing and propagating his teachings. He had a lifelong passion for music, art, and architecture, and was even something of a painter. He rejected what he regarded as petty bourgeois moral hang-ups, and he and his girlfriend &#8220;lived together&#8221; for years. He counted a number of homosexuals as friends and collaborators, and took the view that a man&#8217;s personal morals were none of his business; some scholars of his life believe that he himself may have been homosexual or bisexual. He was ahead of his time where a number of contemporary progressive causes are concerned: he disliked smoking, regarding it as a serious danger to public health, and took steps to combat it; he was a vegetarian and animal lover; he enacted tough gun control laws; and he advocated euthanasia for the incurably ill. </em></p>
<p>sounds close right?!&#8230; nah&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=729601', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dark Horse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dark Horse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neocons are neo nazis, to be sure. The GOP are much like the German government circa 1920--powerless to stop the onslaught and as scared as hell to do anything to rein in the lunatics in charge. And then we have the sheeple who have become indoctrinated with the mindfuck philosophies of Bush, Cheney and the gang. They have no trouble misrepresenting history, have no trouble castigating those who protest and undoubtedly have no problem with calling their local FBI office to complain about a &quot;subversive&quot; neighbor.

These are dangerous times, friends. One look at postings by the likes of mighty aphrodisiac proves it. It&#039;s either mental illness or complete brainwashing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neocons are neo nazis, to be sure. The GOP are much like the German government circa 1920&#8211;powerless to stop the onslaught and as scared as hell to do anything to rein in the lunatics in charge. And then we have the sheeple who have become indoctrinated with the mindfuck philosophies of Bush, Cheney and the gang. They have no trouble misrepresenting history, have no trouble castigating those who protest and undoubtedly have no problem with calling their local FBI office to complain about a &#8220;subversive&#8221; neighbor.</p>
<p>These are dangerous times, friends. One look at postings by the likes of mighty aphrodisiac proves it. It&#8217;s either mental illness or complete brainwashing.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=729340', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WORFEUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>WORFEUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why this story isn&#039;t on the front page of every major newspaper in America. Britian is reporting that they wanted to wait to arrest these clowns so they could get their leaders. These guys were not even CLOSE to doing this. They didn&#039;t even have the bombs. Hell they didn&#039;t even have PASSPORTS!!!!!

Bush PUSHED them to do this to take the heat off the Ned Lamont victory. 

If that isn&#039;t a crime I don&#039;t know what is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why this story isn&#8217;t on the front page of every major newspaper in America. Britian is reporting that they wanted to wait to arrest these clowns so they could get their leaders. These guys were not even CLOSE to doing this. They didn&#8217;t even have the bombs. Hell they didn&#8217;t even have PASSPORTS!!!!!</p>
<p>Bush PUSHED them to do this to take the heat off the Ned Lamont victory. </p>
<p>If that isn&#8217;t a crime I don&#8217;t know what is.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=729124', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: KingCranky</title>
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		<dc:creator>KingCranky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl Rove thinks that by linking the Iraq fiasco to a larger, supposed &quot;War On Terrorists&quot;, the GOP will somehow benefit enough to maintain it&#039;s one party rule of nonoversight of the Executive branch

Unfortunately for Rove, I think the chances are better that the public will translate it&#039;s unhappiness about Iraq to W&#039;s &quot;War on Terrorism&quot;, especially as it seems the public is moving in that direction more and more by the day

And even more unfortunately for W, there&#039;s another anniversary that&#039;s coming up even sooner than the 5th anniversary of the September 11 attack, and that would be the 1st anniversary of Katrina&#039;s devastating New Orleans and the Gulf coast, giving everyone the chance to reminisce about the horrific and malign nonresponse of an immediate rescue and relief operation, most notable when W froze up, as opposed to showing the strong, decisive leadership such a catastrophe required, instead sticking to the fundraising vacation that left no time for trifles like making sure the Govt didn&#039;t fail it&#039;s poorest and most vulnerable citizens at the time they needed it&#039;s help the most

And Rove has the problems of ethical and legal scandals infesting the GOP, most notably with anyone involved with now convicted felon Jack Abramoff

Basically, W is one bad response to another cataclysm away from losing control of the House, possibly the Senate as well

And since so much of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast look the same as they did immediately after Katrina, then Rita, hit, why should anyone think the Administration or FEMA have learned the painful lessons both storms wrought upon a vulnerable citizenry?

The radical neocons time of unchallenged power and GOP inspired legislative nonoversight of the Executive branch is coming to an end, and that starts come November, as even Diebold ain&#039;t saving the GOP this time

And I can&#039;t think of a group of bloodthirsty, money-worshipping ghouls more deserving of their current woes than the radical neocons responsible for so much death, hatred and corruption that W&#039;s brutal policies have inflicted on both us and the rest of the world

And if the GOP goes down, what will that do for so many of their media whores, lackeys and apologists, especially with the more extreme and exterminationist rhetoriticians pitching the party line above the US Constitution?

Knock out the GOP, and you deliver a STAGGERING blow to the Coulters, Limbaughs, Becks, Malkins, Hannitys, Savages and the rest of their joyously hateful ilk

A true Win-Win situation all the way around</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl Rove thinks that by linking the Iraq fiasco to a larger, supposed &#8220;War On Terrorists&#8221;, the GOP will somehow benefit enough to maintain it&#8217;s one party rule of nonoversight of the Executive branch</p>
<p>Unfortunately for Rove, I think the chances are better that the public will translate it&#8217;s unhappiness about Iraq to W&#8217;s &#8220;War on Terrorism&#8221;, especially as it seems the public is moving in that direction more and more by the day</p>
<p>And even more unfortunately for W, there&#8217;s another anniversary that&#8217;s coming up even sooner than the 5th anniversary of the September 11 attack, and that would be the 1st anniversary of Katrina&#8217;s devastating New Orleans and the Gulf coast, giving everyone the chance to reminisce about the horrific and malign nonresponse of an immediate rescue and relief operation, most notable when W froze up, as opposed to showing the strong, decisive leadership such a catastrophe required, instead sticking to the fundraising vacation that left no time for trifles like making sure the Govt didn&#8217;t fail it&#8217;s poorest and most vulnerable citizens at the time they needed it&#8217;s help the most</p>
<p>And Rove has the problems of ethical and legal scandals infesting the GOP, most notably with anyone involved with now convicted felon Jack Abramoff</p>
<p>Basically, W is one bad response to another cataclysm away from losing control of the House, possibly the Senate as well</p>
<p>And since so much of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast look the same as they did immediately after Katrina, then Rita, hit, why should anyone think the Administration or FEMA have learned the painful lessons both storms wrought upon a vulnerable citizenry?</p>
<p>The radical neocons time of unchallenged power and GOP inspired legislative nonoversight of the Executive branch is coming to an end, and that starts come November, as even Diebold ain&#8217;t saving the GOP this time</p>
<p>And I can&#8217;t think of a group of bloodthirsty, money-worshipping ghouls more deserving of their current woes than the radical neocons responsible for so much death, hatred and corruption that W&#8217;s brutal policies have inflicted on both us and the rest of the world</p>
<p>And if the GOP goes down, what will that do for so many of their media whores, lackeys and apologists, especially with the more extreme and exterminationist rhetoriticians pitching the party line above the US Constitution?</p>
<p>Knock out the GOP, and you deliver a STAGGERING blow to the Coulters, Limbaughs, Becks, Malkins, Hannitys, Savages and the rest of their joyously hateful ilk</p>
<p>A true Win-Win situation all the way around<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=729065', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: KingCranky</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/14/politicizing-london-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-729055</link>
		<dc:creator>KingCranky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The GOP is attempting to use the plot the Brits &amp; Pakistanis disclosed last week as a way to try and rebuild popular support for it&#039;s Iraq occupation, a truly foolish strategy indeed, especially seeing as how there&#039;s an Afghanistan al-Qaeda tie-in with this latest terrorist plot

We&#039;ve now come full circle-Afghanistan was invaded and occupied in order to drive the Taliban and al-Qaeda from power. Instead of finishing the job right, W instead decides to show up his own father&#039;s Iraq policy by invading and occupying Iraq, the result being an illogical draw down of the resources in Afghanistan to further an unnecessary military campaign in a country that had no links to Usama bin Laden, al-Qaeda OR the 9-11 attacks.

The CIA unit devoted to catching or killing Usama bin Laden is shut down last year

The Taliban and al-Qaeda are now resurgent in Afghanistan as well, a DIRECT result of W&#039;s monumentally stupid decision to invade and occupy Iraq, and are now able to plan further attacks against the US on US soil and airliners world wide

But maybe it&#039;s just me, as I fail to see how this President has made this country logically and realistically safer from another terrorist attack regarding it&#039;s Iraq policy

Sure, this Administration is quick to shred the Constitution at every opportunity, considering the vast majority of US citizens as al-Qaeda sympathizers-witness it&#039;s attempts to warrantlessly spy on us and pushing for policies that would allow it to lock up any US citizen and deny them the most basic Constitutional guarantees of due process legally-but there is not one single success-especially in terms of disrupting major terrorist plots-that can be pointed to that justify this President&#039;s outright war on the same Constitution he swore to uphold and protect from enemies both foreign and domestic

The Administration will never again get a majority of voters to support it&#039;s Iraq disaster, a lesson the GOP is learning in the hardest of painful ways, as most people are and have made clear distinctions between the Iraq occupation and the larger &quot;Global War On Terror&quot;

Bad news for the Administration, GOP and Karl Rove, good news for the rest of us and the US Constitution</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP is attempting to use the plot the Brits &amp; Pakistanis disclosed last week as a way to try and rebuild popular support for it&#8217;s Iraq occupation, a truly foolish strategy indeed, especially seeing as how there&#8217;s an Afghanistan al-Qaeda tie-in with this latest terrorist plot</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve now come full circle-Afghanistan was invaded and occupied in order to drive the Taliban and al-Qaeda from power. Instead of finishing the job right, W instead decides to show up his own father&#8217;s Iraq policy by invading and occupying Iraq, the result being an illogical draw down of the resources in Afghanistan to further an unnecessary military campaign in a country that had no links to Usama bin Laden, al-Qaeda OR the 9-11 attacks.</p>
<p>The CIA unit devoted to catching or killing Usama bin Laden is shut down last year</p>
<p>The Taliban and al-Qaeda are now resurgent in Afghanistan as well, a DIRECT result of W&#8217;s monumentally stupid decision to invade and occupy Iraq, and are now able to plan further attacks against the US on US soil and airliners world wide</p>
<p>But maybe it&#8217;s just me, as I fail to see how this President has made this country logically and realistically safer from another terrorist attack regarding it&#8217;s Iraq policy</p>
<p>Sure, this Administration is quick to shred the Constitution at every opportunity, considering the vast majority of US citizens as al-Qaeda sympathizers-witness it&#8217;s attempts to warrantlessly spy on us and pushing for policies that would allow it to lock up any US citizen and deny them the most basic Constitutional guarantees of due process legally-but there is not one single success-especially in terms of disrupting major terrorist plots-that can be pointed to that justify this President&#8217;s outright war on the same Constitution he swore to uphold and protect from enemies both foreign and domestic</p>
<p>The Administration will never again get a majority of voters to support it&#8217;s Iraq disaster, a lesson the GOP is learning in the hardest of painful ways, as most people are and have made clear distinctions between the Iraq occupation and the larger &#8220;Global War On Terror&#8221;</p>
<p>Bad news for the Administration, GOP and Karl Rove, good news for the rest of us and the US Constitution<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=729055', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Randal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/14/politicizing-london-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-729025</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget the unity crap &gt; impeach Bush and Cheney &gt; PERIOD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget the unity crap &gt; impeach Bush and Cheney &gt; PERIOD.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=729025', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: PBR</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/14/politicizing-london-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-728764</link>
		<dc:creator>PBR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Voters Must Beware of Republicans&#039; Terrorism Trap 
Sunday, August 13, 2006
By Susan Estrich 

This is not about the war in Iraq. 

It has nothing to do with Joe Lieberman.

This is the Republican trap.

Donâ€™t fall in.

â€œThey have tried to keep it together -- they have to make it one in peopleâ€™s minds in order to cover the strategic error of Iraq,â€ says James Webb, Democratic Senate candidate from Virginia, and former member of the Reagan administration.

From the very beginning, the Republican slip of hand has been to convince people that the war in Iraq was the answer to 9/11.

It wasnâ€™t. It isnâ€™t. It never was.

It isnâ€™t the answer to British hijackers either.

This really has nothing to do with the war in Iraq. It needs to be said over and over.

Itâ€™s the distraction from focusing on airline safety, on Usama bin Laden, on Americaâ€™s true enemies. Itâ€™s one of the reasons we are so hated around the world.

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â€œThe war in Iraq had nothing to do with the war against international terrorism, or very little to do with the war on terrorism,â€ Webb says in interviews. â€œIt has distracted our attention, it has pulled our forces in, and we are now in a situation where we have 135,000 on the ground, which affects our ability to do a lot of things that we would be able to do otherwise.â€

Being anti-war has nothing to do with being soft-on-terrorism or ready to lead the world in dangerous times.

Being anti-war means having the resources we need to fight terrorism effectively.

No party is in favor of taking bombs on airplanes. As to whether either party is better at keeping them off, we are likely to hear more about that than we care to.

The Republicans have only one minor advantage left in the polls. They are now trailing on everything â€“ starting with the war in Iraq, and then continuing on with the economy, the environment, health care, foreign policy-- in some cases well into the double digits-- with the only exception being terrorism. And their lead on terrorism is quite small.

So what do you do when youâ€™re leading on exactly one issue?

What do you do when you have a slight winner and a loser. The loser, of course, the big loser, is the war in Iraq. You marry them, of course.

This is the August surprise. Itâ€™s what they have to work with, and they will try to milk it for all itâ€™s worth.

They will try to connect Liebermanâ€™s defeat with the attempted hijackings and say that the Democratic Party is being hijacked by the anti-war, anti-defense (pro-terrorism) crowd. Have you ever heard of anyone who was pro-terrorism? Who wanted to spend less on airport security? Who thought planes were too safe? What could be more ridiculous? But that will be the line.

What Dick Cheney started on Wednesday, saying that Liebermanâ€™s defeat suggested the Democratic Party was not prepared to lead in dangerous times, was just the beginning.

Who is going to let them get away with it?

Say it ainâ€™t so, Joe. Wouldnâ€™t that be a classy gesture? You know itâ€™s not true. Theyâ€™re saying this about your colleagues of decades standing. Joe Lieberman himself should stand up to that kind of talk. If he fails to, he will continue to lose the respect of his former colleagues and supporters, voters included.

This is what happens when you turn your back on your party. Then others attack your party and they come to you and ask you what you think. And moments like these will define Joe Lieberman as much as his run for the vice presidency did.

His decency is on the line now as much as it has ever been. He knows better. This is another occasion for Lieberman to distance himself from his fellow Democrats, another step in his losing his Senate seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voters Must Beware of Republicans&#8217; Terrorism Trap<br />
Sunday, August 13, 2006<br />
By Susan Estrich </p>
<p>This is not about the war in Iraq. </p>
<p>It has nothing to do with Joe Lieberman.</p>
<p>This is the Republican trap.</p>
<p>Donâ€™t fall in.</p>
<p>â€œThey have tried to keep it together &#8212; they have to make it one in peopleâ€™s minds in order to cover the strategic error of Iraq,â€ says James Webb, Democratic Senate candidate from Virginia, and former member of the Reagan administration.</p>
<p>From the very beginning, the Republican slip of hand has been to convince people that the war in Iraq was the answer to 9/11.</p>
<p>It wasnâ€™t. It isnâ€™t. It never was.</p>
<p>It isnâ€™t the answer to British hijackers either.</p>
<p>This really has nothing to do with the war in Iraq. It needs to be said over and over.</p>
<p>Itâ€™s the distraction from focusing on airline safety, on Usama bin Laden, on Americaâ€™s true enemies. Itâ€™s one of the reasons we are so hated around the world.</p>
<p>(Story continues below)</p>
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<p>â€œThe war in Iraq had nothing to do with the war against international terrorism, or very little to do with the war on terrorism,â€ Webb says in interviews. â€œIt has distracted our attention, it has pulled our forces in, and we are now in a situation where we have 135,000 on the ground, which affects our ability to do a lot of things that we would be able to do otherwise.â€</p>
<p>Being anti-war has nothing to do with being soft-on-terrorism or ready to lead the world in dangerous times.</p>
<p>Being anti-war means having the resources we need to fight terrorism effectively.</p>
<p>No party is in favor of taking bombs on airplanes. As to whether either party is better at keeping them off, we are likely to hear more about that than we care to.</p>
<p>The Republicans have only one minor advantage left in the polls. They are now trailing on everything â€“ starting with the war in Iraq, and then continuing on with the economy, the environment, health care, foreign policy&#8211; in some cases well into the double digits&#8211; with the only exception being terrorism. And their lead on terrorism is quite small.</p>
<p>So what do you do when youâ€™re leading on exactly one issue?</p>
<p>What do you do when you have a slight winner and a loser. The loser, of course, the big loser, is the war in Iraq. You marry them, of course.</p>
<p>This is the August surprise. Itâ€™s what they have to work with, and they will try to milk it for all itâ€™s worth.</p>
<p>They will try to connect Liebermanâ€™s defeat with the attempted hijackings and say that the Democratic Party is being hijacked by the anti-war, anti-defense (pro-terrorism) crowd. Have you ever heard of anyone who was pro-terrorism? Who wanted to spend less on airport security? Who thought planes were too safe? What could be more ridiculous? But that will be the line.</p>
<p>What Dick Cheney started on Wednesday, saying that Liebermanâ€™s defeat suggested the Democratic Party was not prepared to lead in dangerous times, was just the beginning.</p>
<p>Who is going to let them get away with it?</p>
<p>Say it ainâ€™t so, Joe. Wouldnâ€™t that be a classy gesture? You know itâ€™s not true. Theyâ€™re saying this about your colleagues of decades standing. Joe Lieberman himself should stand up to that kind of talk. If he fails to, he will continue to lose the respect of his former colleagues and supporters, voters included.</p>
<p>This is what happens when you turn your back on your party. Then others attack your party and they come to you and ask you what you think. And moments like these will define Joe Lieberman as much as his run for the vice presidency did.</p>
<p>His decency is on the line now as much as it has ever been. He knows better. This is another occasion for Lieberman to distance himself from his fellow Democrats, another step in his losing his Senate seat.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=728764', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: purvis ames</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/14/politicizing-london-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-728505</link>
		<dc:creator>purvis ames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is certainly no mystery behind the terror alert. The only mystery here is why Jason Hendler and Mighty Aphrodite haven&#039;t been banned from the site. These two are trolls on the payroll whose sole function is to bore everyone to death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is certainly no mystery behind the terror alert. The only mystery here is why Jason Hendler and Mighty Aphrodite haven&#8217;t been banned from the site. These two are trolls on the payroll whose sole function is to bore everyone to death.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=728505', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JPark</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/14/politicizing-london-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-728400</link>
		<dc:creator>JPark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 01:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eww, Chad, I was trying to avoid picturing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eww, Chad, I was trying to avoid picturing it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=728400', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 01:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mighty Aphrodite, can you spell zit-covered, cottage-cheese-puckered, lard-ass?  If you can, at least you&#039;re one who knows who they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mighty Aphrodite, can you spell zit-covered, cottage-cheese-puckered, lard-ass?  If you can, at least you&#8217;re one who knows who they are.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=728367', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: katy</title>
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		<dc:creator>katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 01:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Republican party is desperately unified around blaming Democrats for the insane mess they themselves have created in Iraq.&lt;/strong&gt;
Comment by Joseph â€” August 14, 2006 @ 6:44 pm&lt;/em&gt;

...and everywhere else...

that is a very interesting way to put it... good one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>The Republican party is desperately unified around blaming Democrats for the insane mess they themselves have created in Iraq.</strong><br />
Comment by Joseph â€” August 14, 2006 @ 6:44 pm</em></p>
<p>&#8230;and everywhere else&#8230;</p>
<p>that is a very interesting way to put it&#8230; good one&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=728359', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JPark</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/14/politicizing-london-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-728299</link>
		<dc:creator>JPark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hendler, who knows, maybe it could be because the right wing is GREAT for the consolidated mega-corporations that own the media?  Or is that too obvious for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hendler, who knows, maybe it could be because the right wing is GREAT for the consolidated mega-corporations that own the media?  Or is that too obvious for you?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=728299', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gay Bear</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/14/politicizing-london-plot/comment-page-1/#comment-728163</link>
		<dc:creator>Gay Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30, #31 -- I LOVE Molly Ivins and Mother Jones.  Partial to Molly though.  She really knows her stuff and has had Bush&#039;s number longer than just about anybody.  Wicked sense of humor too.  As far as people who seek out the truth rather than follow the rethuglican lemmings over a cliff, I think labeling those people (me included) as pathetic losers is pathetic, and since it was done by Mighty A., a loser, it makes &quot;Mrs. Aphrodite&quot; the pathetic loser.  But then everyone here already knows that.  Still, though, Mighty, the &quot;Gay Blade&quot; reference is too precious, even for you.  I know you want me, Mighty, but you might be a little less obvious about it; &quot;Mr. Aphrodite&quot; might suspect something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30, #31 &#8212; I LOVE Molly Ivins and Mother Jones.  Partial to Molly though.  She really knows her stuff and has had Bush&#8217;s number longer than just about anybody.  Wicked sense of humor too.  As far as people who seek out the truth rather than follow the rethuglican lemmings over a cliff, I think labeling those people (me included) as pathetic losers is pathetic, and since it was done by Mighty A., a loser, it makes &#8220;Mrs. Aphrodite&#8221; the pathetic loser.  But then everyone here already knows that.  Still, though, Mighty, the &#8220;Gay Blade&#8221; reference is too precious, even for you.  I know you want me, Mighty, but you might be a little less obvious about it; &#8220;Mr. Aphrodite&#8221; might suspect something.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=728163', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ho Chi Minh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ho Chi Minh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Thank goodness our friends and allies did not desert us during our civil war&quot;.-comment by Mighty Aphrodite-August 3, 2006 @ 3:22 pm&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mighty Moron, speak up. Confess to making up bs. You&#039;ve been nailed, with NO ifs, and, or buts(or is it butts in your case). Own up to it like a REAL man.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Thank goodness our friends and allies did not desert us during our civil war&#8221;.-comment by Mighty Aphrodite-August 3, 2006 @ 3:22 pm</em></p>
<blockquote><p>Mighty Moron, speak up. Confess to making up bs. You&#8217;ve been nailed, with NO ifs, and, or buts(or is it butts in your case). Own up to it like a REAL man.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: RealScientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>RealScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;pathetic losersâ€¦.

Comment by mighty aphrodite â€” August 14, 2006 @ 6:47 pm&lt;/em&gt;

You pluralized loser.  Do you have multiple personalities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>pathetic losersâ€¦.</p>
<p>Comment by mighty aphrodite â€” August 14, 2006 @ 6:47 pm</em></p>
<p>You pluralized loser.  Do you have multiple personalities?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=728116', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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