VIDEO: Bill Clinton Calls Lieberman’s Iraq Stance The ‘Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Position’
VIDEO: Bill Clinton Calls Lieberman’s Iraq Stance The ‘Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Position’
This morning on ABC’s Good Morning America, former President Bill Clinton explained Sen. Joseph Lieberman’s position on invading Iraq “is the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld position,” and one that nearly all progressives disagree with. Clinton characterized the Lieberman position as: “I want to attack Iraq whether or not they have weapons of mass destruction.” Watch it.
According to a recent World Public Opinion Poll, 71 percent of Americans said that the US should not have gone to war if Iraq did not have WMD, while just 27 percent said that the US should still have gone to war with Iraq for other reasons.
Full transcript below:
JAKE TAPPER: Joe Lieberman said that this was basically liberals in the party purging moderates such as him and you out of the party, and that there needs to be a voice for more moderate national security voices.
CLINTON: Well, if I were Joe and I were running as an independent that’s what I’d say, too. But that’s not quite right. That is, there were almost no Democrats who agreed with his position, which was I want to attack Iraq whether or not they have weapons of mass destruction. And his position was the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld position.
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And yet, HE campaigned for him (Lieberman), because???
August 15th, 2006 at 10:33 amBill Clinton is correct in his analysis. Lieberman wanted regime change, period.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:36 amAnd he wanted regime change because he somehow believed this would be to the benefit of Israel. His big mistake was to put the interests of the NeoCons ahead of the interests of the American people.
#1 - Because. . . . . he didn't. He showed up for one campaign appearance with Sen. Clinton. One apperance does not "support" make.
Fmr. Pres. Clinton is a politician. He's allowed to change his mind. Remember, the Democratic Party does not require all Democrats to drink the kool-aide.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:37 amOk, first he campaigns in support of Lieberman. NOW, he criticizes him. Watch Hillary change her stance on the war very soon. She knows which side her bread is buttered on, opportunist that she is. As for me, I hope Feingold runs, because he is the ONLY Democrat that was opposed to the Iraq war from the very beginning and has consistently spoken out in opposition to our continuation of the occupation there.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:39 amI agree with IraqVet: Clinton was campaigning for Lieberman just days before the primary election. This man will say anything if he thinks it is politically popular. If Lieberman would have won the primary, Clinton would not be on the morning shows putting down Lieberman's Iraq war view.
But I do agree also that Lieberman's position is closer to the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld paradigm than most of the democrats in Connecticut.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:39 amFmr. Pres. Clinton is a politician. He’s allowed to change his mind. Remember, the Democratic Party does not require all Democrats to drink the kool-aide.
Comment by Democratic Soldier — August 15, 2006 @ 10:37 am
Looks to me like the boot is being put in. Joe is goin' down .... and the kicking won't stop there.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:40 amGeorge Allen (R-VA) is a racist. Analysis and video on DoubleSpeak. Check it out.
http://www.doublespeakshow.com/2006/08/15/lets-call-sen-george-allen-what-he-is/
August 15th, 2006 at 10:40 amthe first comment is all that needs to be said.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:41 amwhile just 27 percent said that the US should still have gone to war with Iraq for other reasons.
We need to find out who these 27% are and start them on medication immediately.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:42 amAll the Republicans need to do is find an independent "Democrat" in each race in order to dilute the Democratic vote. It's really a sick and brilliant power-holding strategy.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:43 amIm proud of clinton. If the Clintons step it up this election year, the dems are in a great position. They are an amazing public voice that can reach out far and wide. We want people to start asking tough questions. im sure some of you think its too late but its not. I want hillary to step it up a notch. I wont vote for Hillary if she doesnt but if she starts to stand up against the republicans and the administration, i will vote for her. She doesnt havet to agree with me on everything but she needs to be bold. and Bill needs to stand against the republicans as well.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:45 amWhat make Lieberman think that Conn Sen seat belngs to him? He acts like a spoilt brat that somebody stole something from him.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:45 amWJC has always said that he would support the Dem who was elected in the primary. Lieberman was not that person. There's no inconsistency here folks.
The fact of the matter is that Clinton is right. Lieberman's policy is the same as Bush's, and that's a huge problem for him.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:46 amIt's not that he's "drinking the kool-aid", it's that he knew Lieberman's position on Iraq, and despite that, he still campaigned for him. I don't blame him if they're friends, but it's not good when a politician offers support to a candidate then two weeks later say he's working with the Republicans in regards to Iraq.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:48 amWhen he was running as a Democrat, Lieberman was an asset to the party. Running as an Independent, he is a lieability. Bill C has taken a stance in the best interests of all Democrats.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:51 amPerhaps better than anything else, Lieberman begging the Slick One himself for help in the primary shows just how quick No-Mentum is to toss his supposed "values" out the window when it comes to retaining political power
Lieberman couldn't scourge Clinton hard enough regarding Monica Lewinsky, but then turns right around and enthusiastically welcomes the former President with open arms when it comes to maintaining his Senate Seat
Lieberman's a W lackey and hypocrite of the most base, easily disprovable kind, and his petulant whining about how voting for anyone but Lieberman is aiding al-Qaeda probably won't win many independent voters to his campaign
August 15th, 2006 at 10:52 amGeneral question, now that Joe Loserman has declared his run as an independant, can/will the democrats strip him of all his various committee appointments when they return after recess? Joe and Jeffords can play cards waiting for the floor votes.
As for Clinton, while I found it disturbing that he supported Joe with an appearence, I have yet to hear him get behind Lamont which is more troubling.
August 15th, 2006 at 10:54 amThat's a pretty good knock on Joe Who?
So you know, I actually defended Reich and Clinton economic policy in a letter to editor Dallas Morning News today. Senator Hutchison is whoring Reaganomics policy in opeds...
Still hate DLC, though...
August 15th, 2006 at 11:00 amAttack Lieberman Attack their strengths.
Who pulled out of Vietnam? Republican Richard Nixon.
Who pulled out of Korea? Republican Eisenhower.
Who pulled out of Lebanon? Republican Ronald Reagan.
Who pulled out of Iraq in 1991? Republican George H. W. Bush.
Who pulled the US troops out of Saudi Arabia after threats from Bin Laden? Republican George W. Bush.
Hit them with these lines every time.
They point to Clinton in Somalia. Point them to these examples.
-GSD
P.S. How is it that Bush gets away with spinning the withdrawl of Israel from Lebanon as a great victory, but still pushes the theory that the U.S. must remain in Iraq or it is a failure?
August 15th, 2006 at 11:00 amKingCranky's comment is right on. Clinton and Lieberman are both hypocrites.
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August 15th, 2006 at 11:06 amLieberman is a complete fool, and a GOP agent, so perhaps Bill Clinton has finally figured that out > lol.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:07 amOne can argue that the reason Clinton showed up in Ct, to support (not campign for) Lieberman was to show him that he is the better man and a better team player. Remember, Lieberman said some pretty harsh things about Clinton during the Monica fiasco and the impeachment.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:10 amI have been unhappy with many of Bill Clinton's actions/words since leaving office. I especially don't like his chummy relationship with Bush Sr.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:13 amAre people actually falling for this crap?:
August 15th, 2006 at 11:19 amhttp://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/view/columns/3017776.shtml
It's just everywhere. The "extremists" are taking over the Democratic party, but no pundit actually writes down was these crazy-loon extremist views are. I am just dumbfounded.
superedo - no, you may be dumbfounded, but many writers are just plain DUMB!
I'll say one thing though....If Bill Clinton Campaigned hard for Hillary for President, I'd vote for Bill again, uhhhh, Hillary that is.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:23 amI agree with #23. Clinton chose to support Joe for a number of reasons including the fact that Joe was part of the establishment. My general impression is Clinton knows where he wants to go but tends to be more comfortable with a strategy of non-confrontation/reason. personally, that is what I want in a politician. Someone who listens, observes and moves to the harmonious position, not the most confrontational. He may have even been campaigning for Joe on the hope that he could influence Joe to refrain from an independent bid. Since that didn't work, time to put in the knife and twist.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:25 amBill Clinton, the last American President.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:25 am24: Here we go again. Digressing to moot discussions. Clinton may still have some influence but he is not in power anymore so it does not matter what he says or where he stands.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:26 amSave your bellyaching and whining and justifiable gripes for Bush and his band of thugs.
"I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life.
My Administration has pursued, and will continue to pursue, these objectives through active application of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions. The evidence is overwhelming that such changes will not happen under the current Iraq leadership...."
- Statement by President Bill Clinton, 31 Oct, 1998, at the signing of HR4655, "Iraq Liberation Act".
******Darn - I miss THAT guy!! (Is the correct term "triangulation"
August 15th, 2006 at 11:26 amor "tristrangulation"???)
I like the way he admitted that he is dishonest.
Of course you would, Bubba.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:31 am#3 - "Remember, the Democratic Party does not require all Democrats to drink the kool-aide." - Comment by Demo Sold
******You're absolutely correct - Dems DEFINITELY ARE NOT the party of strict adherence to the "purist" left - there is plenty of room for MANY diverse viewpoints! I have noticed "big tent - bold idea" Dems welcoming moderate and "security Dems" with open arms. They have their places right next to the pro-life Dems....
Busy day....
August 15th, 2006 at 11:36 am"if I were Joe and I were running as an independent"
Some pretty big ifs there ;) cut the man some slack.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:37 am#14 - As for me, I hope Feingold runs, because he is the ONLY Democrat that was opposed to the Iraq war from the very beginning...
There were a few other Democrats who were against the invasion/occupation. I can't remember which committee they sat on. But Ron Wyden was one of them who voted against an invasion.
Still, I agree: Feingold 2008!
August 15th, 2006 at 11:38 amI want to thank George Bush for constantly reminding me of how better off I was up until the end of 1999. I want to thank him for bringing the drama back to the American way of life. Thanks to George, I have terrorism to worry about and unparalleled hatred of America around the world. Thanks to George, the country has a deficit that my grandchildren will inherit. Thanks to George, we are at war in Iraq and by all accounts, may be in Iran shortly. Thanks to George, I will have to worry about my teenagers getting drafted if things go badly. Thanks to George and his oil loving family and friends, I am paying through the backside for gasoline.
George only wanted to bring us a nice taste of World War II America. Thanks, pal.
Who in their right mind can say he is better off thanks to the current weasel in command than he was in under Clinton?
August 15th, 2006 at 11:41 amI'd vote for Clinton tomorrow...or Gore, the only politician currently making sense.
Perhaps Keith Olbermann has it all pegged accurately, yet again:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/150806thenexus.htm
August 15th, 2006 at 11:44 ammighty,
If you've come to make us feel bad about Democrat you've come to the wrong place.
mighty=soft, warm watermelon.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:56 amNah, DLC, might is the soft, fuzzy, feel-good Smurf. Don't worry about a thing. Georgie will make it alright.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:58 amMA > Karl Rove called and said Jeff Gannon could not service Bush today, so he asked if you could fill in for Jeffy Lube > lol.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:58 amLieberman is from the rightwing. We all knew this. Thanks, Bill.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:00 pmNow, dont you have to bomb pharmacies in Sudan?
That's a great analogy, Juan. I mean, until now only other nation's troops tortured, beat and killed the innocent while raping their daughters in the process. And we wonder why the world hates us so. Thank George. Thank Dick. And quit sniffing the glue.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:02 pmBill Clinton is too slick and can change his position on an issue at the drop of a hat. He flip flops back and forth from support of Lieberman to being against Lieberman, and he does it like a well oiled machine. A note to John Kerry: this is how you do it.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:02 pm#19 RE Somalia do not forget that they tried like heck to link Somalia/Al Qaeda/Clinton for years. When we invaded Afghanistan they found some gear on the battlefield labeled G Gordon. This was immediately touted by both the so called liberal media and the government as proof that Al Qaeda was linked to Somalia. After all this was Gary Gordon's gear and he was killed fighting in Somalia. They called his wife and told her the awful truth about who really killed her husband. They had about 24 hours for this to sink in, but then…They found out that a soldier had lost the gear on the field and that the G Gordon written on it was due to his uncanny resemblance to G Gordon liddy, a well know conservative criminal and pundit. Whoops, that story did not work so well.
Also remember re: Somalia that the current administration ended up siding with the very warlords we were fighting in 1992. Why side with them? The story always had been that these warlords were al queda, but now we were siding with them against al queda types. Hmm the story from the right does not jibe with reality, go figure.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:03 pmBill Clinton is too slick
Comment by Mr. Big — August 15, 2006 @ 12:02 pm
Isn't that why the right wing hated him so much? I mean c'mon how much did the useless whitewater investigation cost? All on the taxpayers dime even.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:05 pmSo, 'Big', you are better off than you were under Clinton's regime?
Prove it.
The nation is safer now. The economy is going in the right direction.
Prove that, too.
What complete bullshit.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:08 pm#33 MA
I have noticed “big tent - bold idea†Dems welcoming moderate and “security Dems†with open arms. They have their places right next to the pro-life Dems….
Harry Reid - pro-life Dem
Bob Casey Jr. - pro-life Dem
Many more in the House.
Notice that nobody's trying to dump Ben Nelson or Bill Nelson from the party. Ken Salazar is supporting Lieberman and nobody's trying to dump him from the party.
In fact, there's one Democrat that the party in general finds intolerable. Is it because of his views? No. It's because he's a fawning toady of George W. Bush. It's because he fails to recognize how morally repugnant this president is and he chooses, instead, to chastise Democrats for not cuddling up to Bush the way he does.
Lieberman left the Democratic party. Not only is he out of step with the Democrats. He's out of step with the majority of Americans. And so are you.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:10 pmIsn’t that why the right wing hated him so much?
I think Republicans disliked Clinton for his low moral character.
I mean c’mon how much did the useless whitewater investigation cost? All on the taxpayers dime even.
Didn't that result in 12 felony convictions, including a former sitting governor?
August 15th, 2006 at 12:11 pmI love the "flip-flop" tag line, by the way. I remember the Bush-Kerry debates. Each one was a complete slam dunk for Kerry. Bush could hardly string together sentences and only relied upon the words "flip flop". And somehow, the public elects the guy.
Meanwhile, where Bush was concerned...there was no flip-flopping. He simply either had no discernible opinion or was completely AWOL.
Again---more mumbo-jumbo from the mentally constipated. Big's logic proves you can fool most of the people all of the time.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:12 pm#46, relax. I was commenting on Clinton's ability to be slick, and flip flopping with ease. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Get with the program.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:13 pmIn PA, I can only pray for Casey. If there is a candidate more grotesque than Santorum, I don't know who it is. Being a GOP apologist is one thing, but being a sneering, truth bending, history-revising toad is another. And the guy lives out of state!
August 15th, 2006 at 12:15 pmI love the “flip-flop†tag line, by the way.
Thanks. I liked it too. It happens to be true. Clinton can change positions on the drop of a dime and not lose a step. He's actually good at it; Kerry is not. Kerry looked like a walking contradiction.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:15 pmBig---they're all slick---especially the "Christians" who are now leading us.
Hint to you---as a devout Catholic I can tell you---these are no Christians but there is a biblical line to consider: Beware of wolves dressed as sheep
August 15th, 2006 at 12:16 pmIn PA, I can only pray for Casey.
Keep it up. He's going to need it. Santorum is surging in the polls. He's only down by 6 now and he's moving. Pro-abortion voters can now vote for the Green party candidate.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:17 pmBut the issue still comes down to number 46.
Think of where you were 8 years ago. Can you say that you--or the nation--was better off? Can you believe how far we have fallen?
(And I don't want to read anything about origins. That's apologist hooey.)
August 15th, 2006 at 12:18 pmAw---you hit upon the problem in PA--third party candidates:
http://www.pittsburghpostgazette.com/pg/06227/713662-100.stm
Shame.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:19 pmCan you say that you–or the nation–was better off?
Sure. The price of my home has gone up 100%. Unemployment is low. And according to the 9/11 commission, we are safer, but not yet safe. Bush's approval on handling terrorism is in the 50's. He's doing a good job.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:22 pmWow---the key was truthful.
How does your home's worth equate if prices on other items, like energy, are rising? The real estate bubble is bursting as we speak and has gone kaboom in various locales.
The 9/11 Commission is your barometer of safety? You can't be serious.
And as for the approval rating---that's extremely doubtful
You are whistling past the graveyard, friend.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:29 pmHow does your home’s worth equate if prices on other items, like energy, are rising?
Energy is rising in part because the economy is so strong. A growing economy needs fuel.
The real estate bubble is bursting as we speak and has gone kaboom in various locales.
The price of my home has gone up dramatically over the past 5 years.
The 9/11 Commission is your barometer of safety? You can’t be serious.
That was their conclusion. We are safer now, but not yet safe.
And as for the approval rating—that’s extremely doubtful
You are whistling past the graveyard, friend.
That's what the polls say. Bush's approval on terrorsim is in the 50's.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:33 pmSorry to inject context into the Bill-bashing, but:
1) When Bill stood beside Joe, Lieberman was a candidate in a contested primary. I don't know why he did it, but he did. I wish he hadn't. Bill's smart enough to know what he's doing. There might be a game within the game.
2) Now that the primary's over, Bill's doing what all Dems should be doing - supporting the primary winner.
It's only a flip-flop if you want to look at the world through BushCo glasses.
I think Gore's refusal to let Clinton help out for him in 2000 hurt the campaign. Yes Clinton has baggage, but it's well-defined, and his ability to talk to people and put issues into the proper context is amazing. (And sorely lacking in 2000!) It's not some kind of Clinton lovefest, just the recognition that Bill has the ability to effortlessly talk on a wide range of topics. It's more nostalgia for what it was like having an engaged president who did his own reading and thinking.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:36 pmJester,
that was the big thing that struck me during the '96 campaign. Bob Dole often came across as wooden and disconnected, especially when he used the third person speak. Clinton, on the other hand seemed concerned and approachable. I remember during one of the debates, on one of the questions, Dole gave out a standard talking point sorta answer. Clinton started his answer with "I was talking to a women in..." it doesn't really matter if the story is true, Clinton overall came across as human. A failing of gore and kerry both in my opinion.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:43 pm#48: Here's a wager for you, Mr. Big.
Lets find an "independant" counsel who's as rabidly partisan towards Democrats as Starr was towards Republicans. Remember that the first counsel was replaced for not being aggresive enough - meaning he didn't find any dirt. Lets give that person full supoena powers and unfettered access to the White House. Let's give that person a budget equal to what Starr spent (adjusted for inflation of course). Let's give that person an amount of time and press coverage equal to what Starr got. Let's allow that person to dig as far back into Bush's life as Starr dug into Clinton's.
Do want to bet that the number of indictment is at least order of magnitude higher than 12 (assuming that's accurate).?
August 15th, 2006 at 12:45 pm#60, with all respect, the candidates that Bill Clinton has been supporting over the past 4 years or so haven't done all that well. He campaigns for them but they don't win.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:45 pmDo want to bet that the number of indictment is at least order of magnitude higher than 12 (assuming that’s accurate).?
12 criminals were found guilty in the White Water investigation. I'd say it was worth it.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:48 pm#36 - "...Thanks to George, I have terrorism to worry about and unparalleled hatred of America around the world." -Duke 82
*****Dear Mr./Ms. Duke, Your "knowledge" of "terror history" appears rather cursory. Apparently you have "been asleep at the wheel" since the 1970's. May I suggest you operate no heavy machinery or automobiles....
Due at a meeting....
August 15th, 2006 at 12:54 pm#63: Like I said, maybe that's the game within the game. I wasn't claiming Bill's support will actually *help* the candidates, just trying to explain why I don't see his actions as hypocrisy.
If you're implying that Clinton's support actually hurt candidates in the last 4 years, I'd be willing to challenge that.
There are lots of reason why the last 2 Dem presidential campaigns fell short. IMHO Clinton was at best a very minor factor in 2000, and not a factor in 2004. Gore and Kerry both seemed to rely far to heavilty on horrible advice from "political consultants".
August 15th, 2006 at 12:54 pm[...] Think Progress has a video clip. [...]
August 15th, 2006 at 12:55 pmThe price of my home has gone up dramatically over the past 5 years.
So has mine - but WE STILL STRUGGLE TO MAKE ENDS MEET - energy costs, food costs, ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, and I can't afford the $600 a month it would cost me to insure my children. DAMN IT!
August 15th, 2006 at 12:55 pmIs the correct term “triangulationâ€
or “tristrangulation�??)
Comment by mighty aphrodite —
Monkey Antic is terrible at making up words or using real ones for that matter.
August 15th, 2006 at 1:01 pm#64: Strange, but you didn't answer the question. I have no doubt you think the money ($40M?) was "worth it".
I think that the $0.75M Fitzgerald has spent is worth it. And he's about as close to independent as you're likely to find these days. Unless actually prosecuting Republicans means you aren't independent.
Just to remind you, the simple question was how the number of indictments of Bush and cronies from a comparable investigation would compare to the 12 from Whitewater?
August 15th, 2006 at 1:01 pmFitzgerald ended up being a dunce and a phony clown! Any prosecuter worth anything can indict a ham sandwich, by a Grand Jury, but he was unable to indict Karl Rove, who is guilty as sin! Ken Starr spent millions and all he found on Bill Clinton was Monica giving him BJs > lol.
August 15th, 2006 at 1:12 pmmighty aphrodite,
Terrorism started long before the 1970s. You just want to focus everything on Muslim terrorism, but want to ignore good old fashion Christian terrorism. Spanish Inquistion anybody? Do I hear Salem Witch Trials? Can I get a Holocaust? Any Crusaders in the crowd?
August 15th, 2006 at 1:23 pm71 Jay Randal
August 15th, 2006 at 1:23 pmI'm not ready to give up on Fitzgerald, yet. The Libby trial may be the key domino to start the ball rolling in terms of real information finally being given up by some of the players in this fiasco, pointing back to Rove. Fitzgerald may have chosen not to indict Rove now because he wants to be very sure of a tight case later. But then, maybe this is just my wishful thinking.
key domino to start the ball rolling
Who wrote that mangled mixture of metaphors?
August 15th, 2006 at 1:25 pmSo this poll says that 71% of Americans feel that we should not have gone to war if WMDs were not there.
Didn't we just get a poll last week that said that somewhere around 50% of Americans felt that there were WMDs in Iraq? (Despite all of the contradictory information)
It would only be more interesting if these polls were done by the same group.
August 15th, 2006 at 1:30 pmWhen Joe made his first bid for political office (DA in New Haven) Bill Clinton was at Yale Law School and was a volunteer for Lieberman. Ever since, they have helped one another in every campaign that either one has ever run in. Hell, Joe campaigned for Clinton in Arkansas.
I respect Bill for honoring their friendship during the primary, and then supporting the Democratic nominee afterward. There's nothing sinister, just human friendship over a very long period. Hell, they've been friends longer than most of you have been potty trained.
August 15th, 2006 at 1:32 pmWally, you guys are obsessed with polls. Go outside and breath in some fresh air, my friend.
August 15th, 2006 at 1:32 pmPost 73 Fitzgerald announced that Rove is completely cleared of any charges > perhaps he was paid-off to drop the charges or maybe his life was threatened? Nonetheless he failed!
August 15th, 2006 at 1:34 pmPost 76 Pete > if my best friend insinuated that I was a pervert, like Joe did to Bill during the impeachment attempt over the Monica affair, then I would either punch out my buddy or never say another word to him for the rest of my life! Joe Lieberman is nobody's friend, but Dubya's!
August 15th, 2006 at 1:38 pmJay Randal,
We must keep in mind that Fitzgerald was appointed by a republican, James Comey. v The two are even described as close friends. So, I don't think anything big will come of Fitzgerald's investigation. I think that he was put in place for republicans to say "See Fitzgerald couldn't indict Rove"
August 15th, 2006 at 1:38 pmYes Spudge > Fitzgerald is a paid shill to exonerate Rove and he did that job well!
August 15th, 2006 at 1:41 pmWashingtonPost June 14, 2006
Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald told Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin, in a short letter delivered Monday afternoon that he "does not anticipate seeking charges" against Rove in the case, Luskin said.
I still don't see this as "exoneration" but an attorney keeping options open. While Spudge and Jay may be correct, I want to hang onto a little hope a little longer.
August 15th, 2006 at 1:47 pmAfter reading the posts on this site for several months there seems to be some consistency as to the feelings of the “bloggersâ€........let me summarize......because somewhere in my following list you (yes, you the wacko “progressiveâ€) will find an answer to ALL of the problems that America faces today….or at least the person/persons that are responsible for such a miserable existence that we must trudge through in America…..America the damned!!! Each of the items below are just a snippet of what “think progress†stands for….so…in your words….
Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate…
Fox News is Hitler’s SS version of propaganda...
The Democrats are waayyy too conservative and right-leaning....
The Republicans (gulp...I said the word Republicans) work for the Devil...
Lieberman is a Bush crony that never accomplished anything for the state of Connecticut…
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
The War in Iraq was certainly for the oil and making rich people richer!!!
Halliburton? Planning the war(s) for years before 9/11…
9/11? Bush not only knew exactly what/where/when/how…..he helped to plan it…..
9/11? The towers were not taken down by airplanes…American C-4 explosives were strategically placed to “take ‘em downâ€â€¦.
Bush planted the C4…along with the help of Cheney and Rumsfield…
The War in Iraq was certainly a follow-up to papa Bush….and his “failure†in removing Saddam…..
Terrorism is not that big of a deal…it should be monitored and controlled by our police agencies….not the government….
OBL is not that bad....hell, America created him!!
Saddam is not the bad...hell, America created him!!
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not that bad….he does not want nukes for weapons…its all about the fuel baby!!!
Problems in the Middle East...Americas fault...
Darfur? Bush and Cheney are not fully responsible for the genocide---but at least 78%....
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Try to resolve the problems in the Middle East??---Why does America feel it should stick its nose in others business...
Israel...America’s puppet....
Israel is the cause of most of the problems in the Middle East….Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization---they were “elected†into a position of power in a democratic government!!!
America did the worse job of evacuating its citizens from Lebanon…Denmark did the best…Denmark is #1!!! Denmark is #1!!!….
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
American flags are made for one purpose….to burn!!!!!!!!
The primary run off in Ct proves that the American people want an immediate withdrawal from Iraq….
AIDS in Africa killing scores? Bush’s Fault….well, maybe 82% responsible…
Socialism #1…Communism #2….Dictatorship #3…Democracy #4…as ranked by the bloggers on “Think Progress†as best form of govt….
Global Warming is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......
The short-comings of American schools...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......
The short-comings of Health-care....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......
Oil?....ever since man has been able to process it into a usable fuel....all the problems have been.....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......
Wal-mart=Capitalism=Bush cronies=Conservatives=devil
Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Mexican Immigration problem? No problemo…
Katrina?....a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......not the response---the actual cause of the hurricane...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive
Katrina…response to it?....Bush hates blacks.....it’s that simple......did I mention Bush hates Mexicans, Canadians, French, Italians, Spaniards, Russians, Irish, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Aussies, Swedes, New Zealanders, anybody that might be of south American persuasion, anybody that might be a mix bred, anybody from Africa-even if they “look†white, and of course…all Muslims….
Did I mention that according to this site that Bush hates gays? And wants them dead?
The economy----the worse it’s been in the history of America----....is a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive......
International relations? well---before Bush we were loved from china to south America...but now---America is hated all around the world and we need to kowtow to the Europeans and Islam so they like us…..we want other people to like us…we really want other people to like us………please like us…..please?
Homeless problem in a city/town near you?...a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…
Abortion is good (million+ innocents a year)…Death penalty is Bad (handful of convicted criminals a year)….
(Did I mention that Bush and the Republicans are the devil reincarnate?
Lines at the super-market….. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive…
Howard Stern being fined for foul behavior/language…. a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive….
Katrina “evacuees†in Houston or other cities committing hideous crimes?... a direct cause of Bush being the Chief-executive……
Christian groups are bigots and things such as “faith day†(at a ball park after the game) are nothing more than the radical rights attempt at “christian-izing†us….
America’s military is weak and the Draft is right around the corner…
“God†should not be in the Pledge….
“God†should not be on our currency…
“God†should not be……….
Cindy Sheehan should not be questioned nor debated…..her son died for her right to hang out in Crawford dam it!!!
America went to war unprepared….look at the hummers!! They have absolutely no armor….and its Bush’s fault…
Democrats and Republicans are all the same…evil…out for themselves…slave-masters (its in their family history)…sex addicts…and of course out to kill Americans in a fake war that was based on purposely fraudulent intelligence…
The (mass) media is covering up everything!!!
Good policing and investigative work is called---racial profiling!!!
“Minimum Wage should be at least $18.00 a hourâ€
“Progressive†reporters get kick out of all the neo-cons news briefings…
“My phones have been taped because I went to an anti-war rally!â€
“My cable has been on the blink and my phone has been making weird noises since I went to a anti-war Rallyâ€
Anybody that makes money and lives a successful life MUST be doing something that hurts the poor or crippled….
Taxes and more taxes are good for the economy…tax cuts/breaks only help the millionaires…
SUV’s were created by conservatives that wanted to help out their “oil buddiesâ€â€¦
People should not be expected to take care of themselves!!! That’s the role of government…
People should not be able to invest their social security account as they wish!! That’s the role of the government…
If I forgot a topic or an issue please just fill it in with the following…
“BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA..BUSH IS THE DEVIL BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…REPUBLICANS ARE THE DEVIL… WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA WAA-WAA…AMERICA IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD…-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA- BLAH-DA-DOO-DAA…â€
IN CONLUSION::::::
I have posted this because it addresses nearly all the issues that “think progress†and its bloggers believe/state/dream about….in other words, this post can be placed on any of your blogs and it will make sense……thanks “think progress†bloggers for making this so easy….if you think my post is foolish….please remember---these are your words (with some editing liberties taken…oh I forgot---I should not mention anything about taking liberties)….dam America!!!
August 15th, 2006 at 1:54 pmhey look everyone....neocon from ct, aka mike, made a funny!
August 15th, 2006 at 1:56 pm#72 - "You just want to focus everything on Muslim terrorism, but want to ignore good old fashion Christian terrorism. Spanish Inquistion anybody? Do I hear Salem Witch Trials? Can I get a Holocaust? Any Crusaders in the crowd?" -Comment by SpongeMAN
*****Dear SpongeBob - I know you're TERRIFIED of Christian Inquisitors, Crusaders and Salem Witch Hunters....so if ANY of those murderous people threaten you with injury or death, I'll see YOU'RE protected. (I suppose your need to watch for the inquisitors and witch hunters precludes your need to be vigilant about Islamo-wacks....Why aren't I surprised??)
August 15th, 2006 at 1:59 pmThese are "your words" with some editing liberties.
-GSD
August 15th, 2006 at 2:00 pmYou know the REICHTWINGNUTZ are in trouble when so many of 'em are siezing this thread to show how correct they are.
Sounds like one HUGE DUHHH! from the peanut gallery here @ ThinkProgress....did any of you goosestepping morons actuall READ the post? I have to guess not as the post isn't complimentary to the bushco machine, nor it's surrogate joe Lieberman.
So, I'll spell it out for you (in lil words so you can understand)..
President Bill Clinton, did the magnanamous & proper thing by showing up at a rally for a Democratic Senator, even though that Senator is a putz. Once the good citizens of Conneticut chose their preferred candidate to run in this years elections, that same great President Clinton has chosen to support the peoples choice. Oops...a couple of words are bigger than 4 letters. Well, I hope you cope....
Now if only King dumbya would get Darth Cheney to pull dumbya's head out of Cheney's ass (god, sounds like a gay S&M porno), maybe we could throw rotted vegetables at that retard who has blessed us with a war in Iraq that has killed over 2500 great american GI's & earned the US the hatred of the Islamic world. Stand up and give your furher a straight armed Zeig Heil righties!!!!!
August 15th, 2006 at 2:03 pmNow it's neocon fron ct on this thread > lol. Paid GOP stooge for sure!
August 15th, 2006 at 2:04 pmNeocon from CT...You forgot how Bushco stole the 2000 & 2004 elections by having Choicepoint purge the voter rolls. How could you forget this? You must be suffering that memory loss problem Scooter Libby is claiming. The entire Bush presidency has been illegitimate.
And please don't say that your words are our words. Our words are backed up with facts. Remember facts? They are the things you neocons run from.
August 15th, 2006 at 2:08 pm#69 - "Monkey Antic is terrible at making up words or using real ones for that matter." - Comment by PLC (Patriotic Liberal Christian)
******"Monkey Antic"??? I haven't heard such an original attempt at name calling since third grade....THAT'S the best you can do, PLC (Phony Licentious "Christian")?? Pitiful....
August 15th, 2006 at 2:09 pmMA are you associated with that neocon from ct fool on here? Tell Karl Rove to fire his ass!
August 15th, 2006 at 2:13 pmEveryone's real estate value has increased tremendously over the past 5 years. Its all relative. If you don't believe me, try to replace what you have today, you'll pay more for it.
Mr. Big, your blind acceptance of the fascist principles of the current republican administration are what has dragged this country to the edge of the abyss over the past 5.5 years. You ass clowns hunted down Bill Clinton everyday for 8 years at the cost of over $60 million in taxpayer dollars. Many of those shouting guilty were themselves guilty of larger trangressions, if I recall Newt Gingrich was a victim of that witch. But Bill showed more class than the entire republican party. You shold pray that the republicans hold control of the congress after November, if not, your boy in the WH may be looking at impeachment.
August 15th, 2006 at 2:15 pmjust like a republican… when the going gets rough, make crap up.
no conviction, always the bait and switch.
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August 15th, 2006 at 2:17 pmi’ve posted this because it addresses any issues republicans try to switch topics on…. in other words, this post can be placed on any republican blog and it will make sense. thanks ‘republican’ bloggers for making this so terribly funny… if you think my post is foolish…please remember-stop the bait and switch (making crap up)… oh, i forgot - i should not mention ‘terribly’… it only helps with the chicken little ‘the sky is falling’ type of bs that republicans always vomit.
oh, i can’t post on republican blogs?
what is that you say, they’ve disabled comments? from all but registered republicans?
August 15th, 2006 at 2:17 pmokay, I rarely, if ever, read MA...but this made me laugh..
August 15th, 2006 at 2:17 pmPhony Licentious Christian.
Now let's define Licentious....."Lacking moral discipline or ignoring legal restraint, especially in sexual conduct."
Okay basically "Immoral"
now phony means pretending to be, or a fake
so a fake immoral person would be....moral
so PLC is a moral christian....thanks for pointing that out MA
now back to the thread
your boy in the WH may be looking at impeachment.
Yes, because it is a top item on the Democrats' agenda to impeach the president. Investigations and impeachment, this is what the Democrats are offering. I'm sure the voters can't wait.
August 15th, 2006 at 2:18 pmYes, because it is a top item on the Democrats’ agenda to impeach the president. Investigations and impeachment, this is what the Democrats are offering. I’m sure the voters can’t wait.
Comment by Mr. Big — August 15, 2006 @ 2:18 p
Didn't seem to slow the republican charge for impeachment, that the country was not really into removing Clinton.
August 15th, 2006 at 2:24 pmMr Big....do you agree that IF a crime was committed, that there should be an investigation?
August 15th, 2006 at 2:25 pmThat’s a great analogy, Juan. I mean, until now only other nation’s troops tortured, beat and killed the innocent while raping their daughters in the process. And we wonder why the world hates us so. Thank George. Thank Dick. And quit sniffing the glue.
Comment by Duke82 — August 15, 2006 @ 12:02 pm
Did I post an analogy? Where? And, me sniffing glue? I didnt get it.
August 15th, 2006 at 2:34 pmMA lol > at least you admitted big mikey works for Karl Rove > he hires very stupid trolls!
August 15th, 2006 at 2:41 pmMA - you are on a roll. Hey, What's that sound I hear? Ohhh yea, that's you're ovaries screaming. They are unhappy that you'll be the wacko mom of anything they produce.
Such is their lot in life.....
August 15th, 2006 at 2:57 pmsad to see this country regressing - the PURITANS have been REBORN!
August 15th, 2006 at 3:06 pmMr. Big,
August 15th, 2006 at 3:13 pmRepresentative John Conyers of Michigan just published a 400 page document pointing out over 26 Federal statutes that the President has violated in 5.5 years. While not as exciting as a blow job, I think there is ample legal ground to proceed with impeachment hearings. Besides there is a bigger issue that the President's guilt, his blind allegence to a faulty ideology at the expense of liberty and democracy.
Joe Lost and should accept it like a man...go home Joe.
August 15th, 2006 at 3:26 pm#90 - "Monkey Anticâ€??? I haven’t heard such an original attempt at name calling since third grade….THAT’S the best you can do, PLC (Phony Licentious “Christianâ€)?? Pitiful…
This, from a woman who's moniker came from a comedy by Woody Allen?
Sad attempt there, Mighty Aphro. Maybe you should give up while you're behind. . . .
August 15th, 2006 at 3:41 pmMA
August 15th, 2006 at 4:03 pmOh, no, I could do much better but 1) I was joking along with another poster with the monkey theme and 2) I tend to keep the more foul mouthed, obnoxious, ridiculous thoughts I have to myself. Unlike some other people. And when have you ever demonstrated that you were either "strong or superior" (Mighty) or "loving" (Aphrodite) on these posts.
I asked Mr. Big a simple question in #64 about what would happen if Bush was investigated by a so-called independent counsel like Starr. After a reply that ignored the question (#66), I reminded him of the question (he may have an attention-deficit problem) in #72.
DRxJ tried in vain to resurrect the issue in #100, and David B brought up the Conyers report in #106.
Oh well, I guess Mr. Big has moved on. Holding Bush accountable is such a pre-1:00 mindset...
August 15th, 2006 at 4:32 pmClinton is an idiot. he should go back to playing his saxophone.
cheney-rumsfeld position my ass. His own wife sucks Lieberman's cock and believes the same Jingoistic bullshit.
Oh BTW, the Iraq issue would never have come about if the Clinton Admin had not given the green light to the neo-con hijacked govt. of Bush Co. with thier Iraq Liberation Act of 1998.
Fuck Clinton and fuck the democrats.
August 15th, 2006 at 5:35 pmIt depends upon what the meaning of the word 'if' is.
August 15th, 2006 at 5:52 pmMA = monkey ass. Chimpy lovers, it's booty call for you.
August 15th, 2006 at 6:09 pm"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." -George Bush, AntiChrist (July 9, 2004)
August 15th, 2006 at 7:05 pmLets see some religious quotes from Bubba Clinton.
August 15th, 2006 at 7:23 pmI saw him several times in the news clips walkin' with his Bible out of the Oral office
sorry I mean Oval office.
#116 all sins are equal? Murder equals oral sex in the eyes of God eh? That must be how the Right Wing Christian Fundamentalists can justify pedophelia while condemning gay marriage...pedophelia is no worse than a speeding ticket in the compartmentalized eyes of a Neoconservative.
August 15th, 2006 at 7:58 pm116 pj
August 15th, 2006 at 8:02 pmIt is absolutely unnecessary and, IMO, completely a "Modern Pharisee" action to exploit your faith for political gain or to appear superior. I'm glad Clinton kept his faith personal.
#111 - brtuthful "useful idiot" ignorantly asserts: "She never brings, facts, (sic)..."
******STATEMENT presented as evidence of bLIAR's pathological inability to tell the truth about anything, anytime:
“I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq’s history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life.
My Administration has pursued, and will continue to pursue, these objectives through active application of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions. The evidence is overwhelming that such changes will not happen under the current Iraq leadership….â€
- Statement by President Bill Clinton, 31 Oct, 1998, at the signing of HR4655, “Iraq Liberation Actâ€.
Sadly, the pathetic bLIAR should garner NO consideration from honest people on either side of the political aisle....a sad, pathetic creature...
August 16th, 2006 at 12:42 am#118&119
August 16th, 2006 at 3:47 pmClinton the Christian bombed the Balkins and no one got killed or murdered?
I know Christians get horny just like everyone else.
I glad he kept his faith personal.
"And he wanted regime change because he somehow believed this would be to the benefit of Israel. His big mistake was to put the interests of the NeoCons ahead of the interests of the American people."
Agree
August 17th, 2006 at 9:55 pm#118 - Pay attention to who's actually trying to pass stricter rules on sex offenders, because it's not the liberals. The solution there is apparently 4 years and 'counseling'. Bill O'Reilly (ugh) and his "neoconservatives" are the ones that seem to be screaming about keeping these people off the streets forever.
September 7th, 2006 at 1:24 pm