Al Qaeda Candidate Redux.
By on Aug 16th, 2006 at 1:06 pm
Al Qaeda Candidate Redux.
During a Fox News discussion on the diversion of a United Airlines flight because of an “unruly” female passenger, former Weekly Standard deputy publisher David Bass said, “She’s probably not an al Qaeda affiliate, probably not a terrorist, could just be a Ned Lamont supporter, we don’t know.”
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What an ass.
The problem is no amount of e-mails will get Fox to apologize.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:07 pmEven I think that is sort of funny and I think it does poke fun at FOX as a GOP mouthpiece.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:12 pma connect the scrambled dots, crooked line of logic only a Faux News watcher could absorb and understand without having to think about it.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:13 pmIt was a joke. Loosen up tight wads.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:13 pmThis is psyops against Americans. It’s design is to solidify the base against and peel one to two percent of the soft middle. That will be enough in a close house or senate race.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:14 pmThis is my last post on TP until September > I am taking a break from politics for the rest of August! To all my fellow posters: Keep up the fight against the vile Bush Regime and do NOT allow the Bush lover trolls to twist the truth on the threads! Bye for now till September!
August 16th, 2006 at 1:14 pmWhat a riot if it is discovered that she is a card-carrying Republican County Committee member or a fundamental, anti-choice activist or something similar.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:14 pmis this a requirement, to be a complete asshole, to get on Fox now?
August 16th, 2006 at 1:15 pmTracy
August 16th, 2006 at 1:17 pmThe whole BushCo regime and its rabid supporters who use every opportunity to smear their political opponents who are the joke. And who’s laughing?
the Right is a joke, I agree . Nice tie Bass
August 16th, 2006 at 1:17 pmThey have absolutely nothing to loose. They are going to be retired as a collective intelligentsia notion, to the ash bin of history very shortly. Pat Buchanan has a great article on how self serving Mr. Kristol’s and his cronies abandonment of major conservative principles are in their unwavering support of Mr. Liberman. Bob Novak wrote almost the exact same thing a few days later. Enjoy:
August 16th, 2006 at 1:19 pmhttp://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51468
Good Lord, does Fox cover every plan that has some sort of “incident” with the question : is it terrorism? Talk about fear mongering!
August 16th, 2006 at 1:20 pm#9
I am laughing…at those who don’t see the humor in Bass’s comment.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:20 pmI’m sure the right would find it just as funny if a NY Times publisher went on CNN and talked about a story where a man went on a shooting spree in a mall and ended up shooting one of his friends. “And tonight we don’t believe this man is al-Queda affiliated, probably not a terrorist, could just be a Dick Cheney supporter, we don’t know.â€
August 16th, 2006 at 1:20 pmTracy, is Al Sharpton being portrayed as Ned Lamont’s step and fetch limo driver a joke?
August 16th, 2006 at 1:21 pm#9
Harry Reid last December was cheering after he and his fellow democrats “killed the patriot act”. Now democrats have the nerve to say that Bush is not doing enough to keep us safe. Tell me again who politizing the war? I forget.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:22 pmJay R – Take care, we’ll miss you and ignore the trolls on your behalf.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:24 pmtracy is an airhead – NOW THAT’S FUNNY!
August 16th, 2006 at 1:24 pmWhat do you expect from a bunch of bigots and racists?
August 16th, 2006 at 1:27 pmBut Tracy the right wingers do not see humor in his comments, they see the comments as being valid. Also a news organization is editorializing with presentation of the news? Hmm hardly sounds fair and balanced to me.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:28 pmin case you missed this from an earlier thread:
the GOP 2008 CONVENTION
August 16th, 2006 at 1:28 pmTracy is a fine example of the fundamental problem with the American public. They are so isolated against the realities of the things happening around them that they either don’t know or don’t remember that this kind of behavior from news outlets claiming to be legitimate is irresponsible and unprofessional.
So Terry, which is it? Is it a funny joke and Fox News is not a professional news outlet? Or is this a jab at a political enemy of the regime coming from the state run media?
August 16th, 2006 at 1:29 pmthe diversion of a United Airlines flight because of an “unruly†female passenger.`She said she was very claustrophobic and said she had an adverse reaction to something,”
Probably MA who sat next to an “Islamo-wacko”.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:30 pmAnd we are all laughing at you.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:31 pmLets see how long an equitable knuckledragging analogy would have been tolerated if anyone, I mean anyone, had made an anti-semetic remark comparing Mr. Kristol and Mr. Liberman’s faith. We can be hatefull, but not against the Jews, right? It should be called the Double Standard.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:34 pmFOX is the GOP/Neoconservative news station. If you over-react to these things, you play into their hands. Just laugh and forget about it. There are more important fish to fry.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:37 pmThis is an attempt to paint Lamont as a terrorist sympathizer, as was done to Max Cleland, but this time with “humor.” It’s more fear and smear from the Republicans and their ilk.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:38 pmYou saw it on TV this morning, wall to wall coverage by CNN, one of the official mouthpieces of the Bush folks.
The lies about he screwdriver, the vaseline gel and the notes? Bushco people have a very vivid, but quite unreal, imagination.
Look for this to occur weekly until the November elections. Low level Bushites will fly to London, board a return flight, and do some crazy thing to make us all think it is terist connected. Wall to wall coverage by the repuke owned CNN and others.
You see folks, fear is the only thing Bush has going for him. So fear it will be.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:38 pm“She’s probably not an al Qaeda affiliate, probably not a terrorist, could just be a Ned Lamont supporter, we don’t know.â€
This is disgraceful. Really, Im embarrased by the poor guy who earns money out of comments like these.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:38 pmIf, as Tracy suggests, this is a joke, then “Fox News” is really a comedy channel and is falsely advertising itself. Is there an FCC violation somewhere in there? At the very least there is a moral violation of the utmost magnitude.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:39 pmPhaux Pnews – america’s biggest jerks…..
They love fear, they love hysteria, they love FASCISM.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:43 pmAnother fine example of “Fox Programming”, where instead of the viewer programming their television, the television instead programs the Fox News Useful Idiot.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:44 pmI want to know after the recent changes in security how this chick got a screwdrive, and a jar of vaseline on the flight?
August 16th, 2006 at 1:45 pmFair. Balanced. Voting for Lieberman? Who is the Republican candidate from CT? Pucky, the old Hartford Whalers mascot?
August 16th, 2006 at 1:45 pm#6
Jay, I don’t know where you’re going for vacation, but I was wondering if you could do me one small favor. Can you find out where all of the hurricanes that were promised have gone? I know you’re supposed to be on vacation, but pleaaaase try. What’s happening? Was Al wrong?
August 16th, 2006 at 1:46 pmShut up Santo.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:46 pmI did not listen to the bite, but I guess I would view it as self deprecating humor on the part of FOX. I mean the whole incident is an example of how the right’s stoking of fear for political purposes turned a relatively innocous incident into a three ring circus. A woman who is apparantly claustrophic goes nuts on an airplane, the plane is diverted and accompanied by fighter jets, the passengers are taken off and subjected to interrogation, their bags are unloaded and rescreened, because some woman has a panic attack? It is absurd. There was no terrorist link, there was no Al Quida link, the war on terror looks surreal and the FOX guy engaged in a parody of our vice president and the independent candidate for Senate in Conneticut. Of course the larger picture is serious, but I guess I still think there is some humor ala the Onion headline of last week: “Prohibitive Cost of Rocket Fuel Brings MidEast Conflict to a Standstill”
August 16th, 2006 at 1:46 pmTracy is that like the gay sex joke of Rove and Bush packing Gannon?
August 16th, 2006 at 1:48 pmOff topic….Heat-breaking and gut-wrenching transcript of 9/11 call to emergency workers released today:
Transcription of Melissa Doi’s 9/11 call
August 16, 2006, 11:42 AM EDT
Description
917 hours, 22 seconds
Sept. 11 2001
Caller: Holy Mary, mother of God.
Operator: Operator, good morning have a good day. (two operators talking to each other)
I’m on the 83rd floor! (Screaming through the two operators talking.)
Caller: Ma’am how are you doing?
Is it, is it, are they going to be able to get someone up here?
Operator Of course, Ma’am we’re coming up for you.
Well there’s no one here yet and the floor is completely engulfed.
We’re on the floor and we can’t breathe. And it’s very, very, very hot.
Operator: Is, are the lights on.
Caller: The lights are on, but it’s very very hot.
No, no the lights are off.
Operator: Okay, good. Now everybody stay calm. You’re doing a good job.
Caller: Please.
Operator: Ma’am listen. Everybody’s coming, everybody knows. Everybody knows what happened, OK?
Caller: I’m scared.
Operator: But no, they have to take time to come there you know that. They got to be very, very careful.
Caller: It’s very hot.
Operator: I understand. They got to be very, very careful in how they approach you. Okay, all right. So when they come up stairs it won’t be worse than it is.
Operator: Now you stay calm. How many people where you’re at right now?
Caller: There’s like five people with me.
All from the 83rd floor …Everybody’s having trouble breathing. Some people are worse.
Operator: …Everybody’s awake.
Caller:So far yes
Operator: It’s very hot there but no fire, right?
Caller:I can’t see cause it’s too hot.
Operator:: Very hot. No fire for now. And no smoke, right? No smoke, right?
Caller:Of course there’s smoke! (sounding impateint)
Operator: Ma’am, ma’am you have to stay calm.
Caller:There is smoke I can’t breathe.
Operator: Okay, stay calm with me, okay. I understand.
Operator:I think there is fire because it’s very hot.
Caller:It’s very hot everywhere on the floor.
It’s very hot. I see, I don’t see any air anymore.
All I see is smoke.
Operator: Okay, dear. I’m so sorry. Stay calm with me.
Caller:I’m going to die aren’t I?
Operator:No, no, no, no. Ma’am, Ma’am say your Ma’am prayers.
Caller:I’m going to die.
Operator: You’ve got to stay postive.
Caller: Please, God.
Operator: You’re doing a good job, Ma’am.
Callerr: No, it’s so hot.
I’m burning up.
Operator: Hold on for a second … (talking to another operator)
Caller: Wait , wait, we hear voices.
Help? Hello (screaming)
Operator: Ma’am, stay calm. Stay calm.
Caller: Can you find out if there someone here on the 83rd floor cause we thought we heard somebody.
Can you stay on the line with me please. I feel like I’m dying.
Operator: Ma’am stay calm. Ma’am stay calm until they get inside.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:48 pmthe difference Terry, is most people, with the exception of one anti-choice zealot, know the onion, is fake news. Fox is a very real news to those who watch. By making such a statement, joking or not, it is a clear attempt to link Ned Lamont, Democrats, and anyone to the left of Attila the Hun, to Al Qeada, or extreme acts of violence. I guess I am not seeing the humour, of course I don’t see the humour in Ann Coulter either.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:50 pmThanks Tracy. You can tell Holy Joe how well Mr.Bass’s trite comments just elicited a donation from me to the Ned Lamont campaign. We shall see who the joke is on. We shall see.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:50 pmHere’s the link, in case the actual transcript is considered too lengthy to remain posted:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-doi-transcription,0,137404,print.story?coll=ny-top-headlines
August 16th, 2006 at 1:50 pmsee…I always thought fox news was a joke
August 16th, 2006 at 1:51 pm#14
See there, I think that is hilarious!
August 16th, 2006 at 1:52 pm#15
Post a link to who said the joke so I can get the full context.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:52 pmHere’s the link, in case the actual transcript is considered too lengthy to remain posted:
http://www.newsday.com/ news/ local/ newyork/ am-doi-transcription,0,137404,print.story?coll=ny-top-headlines
Comment by exley — August 16, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
With all due respect man… how about trying the link thing first next time!
The 911 transcripts have nothing to do with this thread… pasting an off topic irrelevant telephone sized post in the thread is not only pointless but it’s also irritating and rude!
August 16th, 2006 at 1:58 pmSo, Tracy, would it be OK for David Gregory to ask Bush in his next press briefing “Sir, do you think you enjoy oral sex from Condi as much as Clinton enjoyed it from Monica?”
August 16th, 2006 at 1:58 pmYou mean horrific things happened on 9/11? Wow thanks exley, you freakin’ dolt. Go see WTC for the third time and shut the hell up.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:58 pmSo is it a joke when the people make snide remarks about Bush and Co being the new Hitler?
And how can what Bass said be taken as a joke when the only people its funny to are Republicans who use that “Al-Queda” candidate as an election platform?
it cant.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:58 pmThe Nazi party is busy, busy, busy. Gotta keep those Jews…uh, I mean liberals in line.
August 16th, 2006 at 1:59 pmThe 911 transcripts have nothing to do with this thread… pasting an off topic irrelevant telephone sized post in the thread is not only pointless but it’s also irritating and rude!
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist
I think exley’s paste has EVERYTHING to do with this thread – more connecting the fear of 911 and “fear” of Democrats in office. Off topic and pointless, no. Irritating, rude, disingenuous, and morally bankrupt, yes.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:03 pmI think exley’s paste has EVERYTHING to do with this thread – more connecting the fear of 911 and “fear†of Democrats in office. Off topic and pointless, no. Irritating, rude, disingenuous, and morally bankrupt, yes.
Comment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian) — August 16, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
You are correct sir!
August 16th, 2006 at 2:05 pmget the feeling that DJB and DP are one in the same?
August 16th, 2006 at 2:06 pmAh, the pitter-patter of little troll feet, making little noises and saying nothing. How sweet!
August 16th, 2006 at 2:11 pmIs that supposed to by some sort of messed up joke?
August 16th, 2006 at 2:12 pm#18
And you were offended by the joke, that even more funny!
August 16th, 2006 at 2:14 pmSimona was just on CNN. He waffled for hours about he international community and the reconstruction effort. People were shown in their rubble what were their homes. Hassan Nasrallah is playin Hitlers highway effort and palavers (waffles) sth. about the Lebanese people turning the country from ruins to prosperity. Ooverypoddy rohl up youhr zleeves. Grotesque bullshit.
The truth is the fucking moolahs waited since 1979 for somebody to lower the threshold. what ten years of iraq-iran war didnt cause bush achieved in a moment. The Arabs think diffrent about the harm one should inflict and the damage that is taken.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:14 pmhttp://americablog.blogspot.com
They must be terrified by Lamonts victory to keep attacking like this. Outside of Ct. who the hell would care about Lamont if they didn’t keep bringing it up? The conservativ movement is going down in flames and I want to stomp out the last smoldering embers.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:15 pm#21
“But Tracy the right wingers do not see humor in his comments, they see the comments as being valid.”
The ONLY way we will get a full flavor of the context of the interview is for TP to post the link to the video…otherwise we don’t know if they see the joke as serious and valid.
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These folks at the FOX Network are so despicable that I would rather live next door to an Al Qaeda than to one of these sub-humans at the FOX.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:20 pm#24
You, and others here that are bent out of shape by Bass’s comment, with no context given by TP because they didn’t post the video for us to watch BTW, is a perfect example of those foaming at the mouth before they know the FULL story.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:20 pm#55…Some liberals get so offended whenever the horror of 9/11 is raised. It must be because it reminds them of how morally vapid their foreign policy positions are.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:20 pmWhats the matter Santo, Raw Story boot you off their comments pages again?
August 16th, 2006 at 2:21 pm#23
Looks like Al Gore at one of his freak rallies! LOL!
August 16th, 2006 at 2:22 pm#26
Ditto.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:23 pmGW, the moderator will take down Posting# 44, especially since I provided the link after seeing long it translated onto the page. No need to get your yourself all in a dither. Relax, dude. You’ll live longer.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:24 pmExley – While were going off topic I just wanted to clear something up for the record. The other day we discussed Al Qaeda and Iraqi links and you said:
I think what we have here is a failure to agree on justification…What I mean by that is that while we both accept the factual underpinnings (or at least do so for the purposes of this discussion) of the link between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, what we disagree on is whether the established links (which we both accept) were sufficient to justify the invasion of Iraq and the toppling of Saddam.
My response is that we both don’t accept “the factual underpinnings of the link between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s Iraqâ€
The article you cited made only a half assed case for a very week links between Al Qaeda and Iraq back in 1995… an indisputable case this does not make.
If you experimented with pot back in college that doesn’t mean that you are a pot head today right?
It was the administrations responsibility to uncover evidence that established an ongoing relationship between the two parties before using this supposed relationship as a justification for war!!!
August 16th, 2006 at 2:24 pmmorally vapid their foreign policy positions are.
Comment by exley — August 16, 2006 @ 2:20 pm
Except the republican foreign policy is morall bankrupt. If the liberals were so bad, why did we have a fair bit of peace and international coopertion under clinton, and now massive far flung wars under Bush?
August 16th, 2006 at 2:26 pmGW: “It was the administrations responsibility to uncover evidence that established an ongoing relationship between the two parties before using this supposed relationship as a justification for war”
And they did. That is one of the reason’s why Congress voted to grant the president the authority to use military force against Iraq. And, as we have seen, subsequent developments have validated the now-established link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:28 pm#35
That funny considering some people here think that Jon Stewert’s Daily Show is a legit news outlet.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:31 pmIt must be playing to the base. Why else would the wingnuts continue to spew such garbage. But there are not enough knuckle-draggers to win elections. Let them isolate themselves with more stupid comments. People are starting to take notice and aren’t liking what they are seeing.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:34 pmAnd, as we have seen, subsequent developments have validated the now-established link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
Comment by exley
And then you woke up in a puddle.
As usual, Exley has nothing. We resolved this years ago. Every time we pin Exley on this he pretends he didn’t read the post.
Pathetic.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:34 pm.
Ah, it’s Grand Moff Texan, the Star Wars fan, again. Actually, GMT, I took you to school on this topic last week. As I recall, you ran away when you couldn’t come up with any evidence to support your now-discredited position, while I provided voluminous and indisputable evidence in support of mine.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:37 pmAnd, as we have seen, subsequent developments have validated the now-established link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
Comment by exley — August 16, 2006 @ 2:28 pm
Now established link?
The 911 commision, the Senate Intellegence Commitee, and the Army War Collage say there was no link… who exactly is it that has “established” this airtight link?
Oh and please no imaginary friends or cartoon characters… persons or parties have to be real and they must have used standard methods of deduction such as logic and reasoning to have actually established a link.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:37 pmnot that I really care, but for those stupid enough to believe the posts of our resident trolls…we are QUITE AWARE of the Daily Show – its called satire…
A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:40 pm#42
Atta and all of those hijackers on 9/11 probably didn’t do anything to draw attention to themselves…right before they took over those airplanes.
I don’t think we have the FULL story though, because one person WAS arrested. Also, there have been MULTIPLE incidents since 9/11 where unruly people got out of hand and the other passangers tied their butts up and continued on to their destination…then the disruptors were arrested.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:41 pm#43
Sound funny to me. Do you have a link to the joke?
August 16th, 2006 at 2:42 pmTracy is a piece of human excrement
Comment by Bluedog49 — August 16, 2006 @ 2:39 pm
Tracy – Congratulations!!!
When did you get the promotion?
August 16th, 2006 at 2:42 pmSeveral years ago, I was in Israel to soak up some history.
At the Hall of Remembrance, the Holocasut Memorial, I was invited to plant a hillside tree in recognition of the six million who died in World War II. It cost $20 dollars and I was promised that each year thereafter I’d get a picture of the tree’s growth. What I got instead was news that an Aipac-type entrepreneur had dug up the tree and twice resold the site.
The episode came to mind as I began to consider that Israel, in keeping with the unashamed roots of Jewish economics, will soon be in Washington asking
that America pay the $1.8 billion in damages that were incurred in its erstwhile war, and that Bush and the congress, forever indebted to Aipac, Wall Street and Palm Beach realtors, will promptly acquiesce.
You’ve got to hand it to Israel, though. As it’s said since 1948, and now maintains almost hourly on American television, Israel, just like seven Arab states, never asks for U.S. soldiers to do its fighting. Money will be more than enough.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:43 pmGW, do you REALLY want to go over this again? You KNOW that the 9/11 Commission found that there was INDEED a link. Even Democrat 9/11 Commissioner Lee Hamilton defended Vice President Cheney and said he was correct when he said Iraq and Al Qaeda were linked:
“The vice president is saying, I think, that there were connections between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s government,” Democratic vice-chairman Lee Hamilton told reporters. “We don’t disagree with that.”
Why do you folks keep denying the facts?
August 16th, 2006 at 2:43 pm#45
There are more registered independents in Conn. than Democrats….I guess we will see won’t we.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#53
I agree, there is FAR more important things to examine…like jokes.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:46 pmI’ll say it again – the PENTAGON admitted they LIED to the 9/11 commission
August 16th, 2006 at 2:46 pm“There is…evidence [in 1997] that around this time bin Laden sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime, offering some cooperation,” the 9/11 Commission Report says.
According to the Report, “In March, 1998, after bin Laden’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with bin Laden.”
So, this is all meaningless GW and Star Wars guy??? No big deal? Nothing to be concerned about?
August 16th, 2006 at 2:47 pmgeez, they are willing to go back to the 1990’s – FINE – Then explain rummy’s picture with saddam – then explain the TIES THAT THE BUSH family HAS WITH THE BIN LADENS. OMG, I cannot BELIEVE they are still beating this DEAD HORSE!
August 16th, 2006 at 2:49 pmMore for GW and the Star Wars fan:
In February 1999, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, the CIA wanted to conduct U-2 surveillance missions over bin Laden’s camps in Afghanistan.
But Richard Clarke worried that doing so might scare bin Laden into leaving the country — and going to Iraq.
If that happened, the report says, Clarke feared that bin Laden’s “entire network would be at Saddam Hussein’s service,” and the U.S. would never be able to find him.
So Clarke wrote an e-mail to then-national-security adviser Sandy Berger, saying that if bin Laden learned about the U-2 missions, then, “armed with that knowledge, old wily Usama will likely boogie to Baghdad.”
The report says another Clinton National Security Council aide also warned that “Saddam Hussein wanted bin Laden in Baghdad.”
But NO connection. right GW?
August 16th, 2006 at 2:50 pmThaty’s right. And Democrats who grovel for votes on FOX also endorse these statements.
Democrats enable FOX.
Without Democrats, FOX would be COPS.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:50 pmSue the ashole.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:52 pmBlueDog…No where do I or did the administration say that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 atrocity. But what is beyond dispute is that Saddam Hussein was quite cozy with the terrorist group that perpetrated 9/11.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:52 pmthe only thing that Hussein shared with bin laden is their twisted views of the KORAN.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:53 pmThat is Sue the Asshole.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#124
Can your direct me to the source of that claim? I’d like to read that poll/report.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:53 pmBass, probably not a journalist, probably not a professional, could just be an asshole, we don’t know.â€
August 16th, 2006 at 2:56 pmBut you of course won’t state that Saudi Arabia is the most comfortable with AL Qaida and those facts were redacted from the 9/11 Comission Report you are so fond of.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:56 pm“The vice president is saying, I think, that there were connections between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s government,†Democratic vice-chairman Lee Hamilton told reporters. “We don’t disagree with that.â€
Why do you folks keep denying the facts?
Comment by exley — August 16, 2006 @ 2:43 pm
Exley – There were connections between the Al Qaeda and our government too… I don’t know if you remember that whole Soviet Union/Afghanistan thing – but we supplied them with many of the rocket launchers that they eventually used against our troops.
Like the connections between Al Qaeda and our government the connections between Iraq and Al Qaeda were historical and never really ever that strong.
If you believe that the “connections†between Iraq and Al Qaeda were strong enough to justify the bombing of Baghdad then must also believe we should have bombed DC as well.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:58 pmBlueDog…Bin Laden is Sunni and Al Qaeda are a Sunni group — Not Shiite.
You are again incorrect.
August 16th, 2006 at 2:59 pmG.W.SuperChrist,
Don’t forget the connections between Saddam and the US. Should we invade America?
August 16th, 2006 at 3:00 pmLeiberman logic, support and tactics need to be hunted down and brought to justice.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:01 pmWhere’s Simon Weisenthal?
Is he still in the hunt?
#132
Is that what Sandy was stealing to protect Clinton?
August 16th, 2006 at 3:01 pmWhy do you folks keep denying the facts?
Exley cites opinion and calls it fact. Truly, he is stupid enough to support Miserable Failure.
Can’t tell the difference, I guess.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:02 pm.
Still waiting for BlueDog to admit that he was wrong when he claimed that Al Qaeda is a Shiite group when, in fact, it is a Sunni fundamentalist terrorist group.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:03 pmBut what is beyond dispute is that Saddam Hussein was quite cozy with the terrorist group that perpetrated 9/11.
Comment by exley
Say it with me now, Exley: “no cooperative links.”
August 16th, 2006 at 3:04 pm.
G.W.SuperChrist,
Don’t forget the connections between Saddam and the US. Should we invade America?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — August 16, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
I didn’t forget I just didn’t want his head to explode:)
August 16th, 2006 at 3:04 pmStill waiting for BlueDog to admit that he was wrong …
Hypocrite. You’ve been insisting on contrafactual crap for days.
You have no right to make such a statement.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:04 pm.
#148 — Actually, Star Wars Fan, if you look at postings #128 and 131, you will see the findings of the 9/11 Commission. Keep trying.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:05 pmWhat did sophistication ever do to deserve this discussion of Saddam-bin Laden?
August 16th, 2006 at 3:06 pm#152…I think it is adorable that the Star Wars fan is rushing in to try and protect his pal “BlueDog” from BlueDog’s embarassingly ignorant and incorrect statement that Al Qaeda is a “radical Shiite” group, when it is in fact a Sunni fundamentalist terrorist group.
But, alas, BlueDog will have to face up to his mistake. We’re all waiting, BlueDog.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:08 pmSenator Joe McCarthy understood that you could intimidate your political opponents if you accused them of being traitors to this country and being in league with our enemies. But he also came to understand that this cheap political parlor trick only lasts so long. And history is not kind to its purveyors.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:08 pm#148 — Actually, Star Wars Fan, if you look at postings #128 and 131, you will see the findings of the 9/11 Commission. Keep trying.
Comment by exley
You keep posting fragments ’cause you know they came to the opposite conclusion.
Keep trying, exley. You’re inferior. You have failed. You have been exposed. The only reason you keep going is because you’re a sick sack of shit.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:08 pm.
#152…I think it is adorable that the Star Wars fan is rushing in to try and protect
Where did I do that? Show me where I “protected” anything.
Exley is changing the subject because I just showed he is wrong.
Again.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:09 pm.
Exley?
August 16th, 2006 at 3:10 pm.
Top Clinton administration counterterrorism official Richard Clarke’s assertions, based on intelligence reports in 1999, that Saddam had offered bin Laden asylum after the embassy bombings, and Clarke’s memo to then-National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, advising him not to fly U-2 missions against bin Laden in Afghanistan because he might be tipped off by Pakistani Intelligence, and “[a]rmed with that knowledge, old wily Usama will likely boogie to Baghdad� (See 9/11 Commission Final Report, p. 134 & n.135.)
August 16th, 2006 at 3:11 pmFor those who think that David Bass was trying to make humor, his “humor” is of the same type as used by racists who tell jokes about blacks or other minorities to “keep them in their place”.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:11 pmBut, alas, BlueDog will have to face up to his mistake. We’re all waiting, BlueDog.
Comment by exley — August 16, 2006 @ 3:08 pm
I’m waiting too exley, for you to get your head out of your ass.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:12 pmBush Spin Continues on al Qaeda Link
The defenders of George W. Bush are having a difficult time with the 9/11 commission report that declared no “collaborative relationship” existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. Before the war, Bush claimed that one reason that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the United States was that he was “dealing with al Qaeda.” (He was referring to present-day “dealing.”) The 9/11 commission report challenges that key assertion. And the dogs of war have been barking since its release.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:12 pmaren’t you dizzy yet, exley????
August 16th, 2006 at 3:13 pm#157…UH OH! The Star Wars fan is getting frustrated because he now realizes that his failure to read the 9/11 Commission Report means that he cannot even begin to discuss this topic because he simply does not know the facts. Calm down, sparky.
And I find it very amusing that he chides me for posting “fragments” of the 9/11 Commission Report, as if I should post the entire 567-page report.
Well, since you clearly have not read the report, Han Solo or Darth Vader or whatever you want to call yourself, I am happy to provide you the link…Read and learn, junior:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/
August 16th, 2006 at 3:14 pmHey, Exley: suck on this (you know you want to):
US Army War College:
August 16th, 2006 at 3:16 pmOf particular concern has been the conflation of al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s Iraq as a single, undifferentiated terrorist threat. This was a strategic error of the first order
.
Or this:
Senate Intelligence Committee report, 2004:
August 16th, 2006 at 3:21 pm“The Central Intelligence Agency,” the report says, “reasonably assessed that there were likely several instances of contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida throughout the 1990s, but that these contacts did not add up to an established formal relationship.”
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#162….Wow, MadasHell, that’s really impressive…Whereas I have posted the actual findings of the 9/11 Commission, with direct quotes from the Democratic Vice-Chairman of the Commission and the report itself,
YOU have come back with an opinion piece by David Corn in a left-wing partisan publication that was written and printed more than a month BEFORE the 9/11 Commission Report was even released..
Yeah, that’s really persuasive evidence you presented there, MaH…
Heh! Try again, rookie.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:22 pmHey, anyone see BlueDog49 around???? He seems to have run away….
August 16th, 2006 at 3:23 pmAnd I find it very amusing that he chides me for posting “fragments†of the 9/11 Commission Report, as if I should post the entire 567-page report.
You can’t read 567 pages? No wonder you’re so fucking stupid.
I read their conclusion. You lose.
You lose with the US Army War College report.
You lose with the (Republican controlled) Senate Intelligence Committe report.
You lost years ago. That’s why you’re over here whining. You’re a whipped bitch and that’s all you’ll ever be.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:23 pm.
Shut up, Exley. You’re done.
You have nothing. We showed that days ago. All I did was repeat the summary.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:24 pm.
All Exley can do is repeat fragments without even checking to see if the story was junked by the CIA in their burn file.
Works on idiots like Exley, but not on thinking people.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:25 pm.
America has become a soap. Advertising included free of charge.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:26 pm#169 — “Shut up, Exley.”
Heh! The heat is REALLY getting to the Star Wars Fan…First, we find out that he hasn’t read the 9/11 Commission Report and thus knows nothing about its findings of numerous links between Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and Al Qaeda…
THEN he has to deal with tha fact that his ally BlueDog49 made an unbelievably and embarassing misstatement of fact, claiming that Al Qaeda is a Shiite group, when it is, in fact, a Sunni group.
It’s been a tough day for you, “Grand Moff.” I understand. Now go off and read the 9/11 Commission Report and learn something….I sent you the link. Go on…We’ll wait for you.
Now, WHERE is “BlueDog?”
August 16th, 2006 at 3:31 pm…as if I should post the entire 567-page report.
So says Exley.
Feh, in grad school the standard load was 1,000 per class per week, and profs usually exceeded it.
This is why I say, Exley, that you are inferior. You try to take these things on, but you’re just not equipped.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have some Republicans to shit on elsewhere.
Ta-ta!
August 16th, 2006 at 3:36 pm.
By the way, here is a 1999 article from THE GUARDIAN, all places (hardly a pro-Republican, Iraq War-supporting, pro-Bush newspaper):
Saddam link to Bin Laden Terror chief ‘offered asylum’ in Iraq? US says dealings step up danger of chemical weapons attacks
By Julian Borger in Washington (The Guardian)
Saturday February 6, 1999
The key meeting took place in the Afghan mountains near Kandahar in late December. The Iraqi delegation was led by Farouk Hijazi, Baghdad’s ambassador in Turkey and one of Saddam’s most powerful secret policemen, who is thought to have offered Bin Laden asylum in Iraq.
Since RAF bombers took part in air raids on Iraq in December, Bin Laden declared that he considered British citizens to be justifiable targets. Vincent Cannistraro, former chief of CIA counter-terrorist operations, said: “Hijazi went to Afghanistan in December and met with Osama, with the knowledge of the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar. We are sure about that. What is the source of some speculation is what transpired.”
Note again that this article in from 1999, before anyone had a real political axe to grind on the question of Iraq’s ties to Al Qaeda….
By the way, where is BlueDog49?????
August 16th, 2006 at 3:39 pmNow that I see the little shitstain is still smearing around.
Exley, we already know the 9/11 commission’s conclusions. You haven’t learned to deal with sources, only stories. This is why you’re an idiot and I’m right … again.
Second, I never protected or cared or addressed what that other guy said. You keep talking about it because you need to manufacture a victory over me.
You can’t because you’re inferior. I’ve shown that time and again.
OK, now I’m off.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:40 pm.
#179…Heh! That’s right, Star War Fan…Run away. Just like your buddy “BlueDog49″ did….
Game. Set. And match — Exley…..again.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:40 pmwhy do republicans always switch topics and start making crap up whenever the going gets rough?
August 16th, 2006 at 3:44 pm#181….Well, Dr. Phil…He DID name himself after a character in “Star Wars.” Anc certainly his grasp of international affairs is that of a fifth-grader….So, “Grand Moff” may indeed be 12-years old. That would explain A LOT!
August 16th, 2006 at 3:44 pmLike the 9/11 Commision Report has anything whatsoever to do with reality, HAAhahahahahhaaaa.The propaganda has found its mark with this exley douchebag . The world needs gullible dopes too, I guess.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:45 pm#188…Heh! And now the conspiracy nuts come out!
August 16th, 2006 at 3:45 pmfrom the WASHINGTON POST – which is hardly a left wing newspaper:
The Iraq Connection
Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed
By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 17, 2004; Page A01
The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no “collaborative relationship” between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration’s main justifications for the war in Iraq.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:46 pm#165 – Grand Moff Texan,
August 16th, 2006 at 3:48 pmThere’s a Trojan Horse in that link (Exploit-URLSpoof.gen).
But the report of the commission’s staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:48 pmoh the real connection between hussein and bin laden – their mutual HATRED FOR THE UNITED STATES
August 16th, 2006 at 3:52 pmIn hussein’s iraq, women did not have to wear burkas, their infrastructure worked, and they had LIQUOR STORES
August 16th, 2006 at 3:53 pmOh boy… MadasHell…You DO know that 9/11 Commissioners Tom Kean and Lee Hamiliton responded to this WaPo article (which again pre-dates the release of the actual 9/11 Commission Report on July 22, 2004) and essentially said it was inaccurate, don’t you????
Tom Kean: “Were there contacts between al-Qaeda and Iraq? Yes. Some of them are shadowy, but there’s no question they were there.â€
Lee Hamilton: “I must say I have trouble understanding the flap over this. The Vice President is saying, I think, that there were connections between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s government. We don’t disagree with that … So it seems to me that the sharp differences that the press has drawn, the media has drawn, are not that apparent to me.â€
And here is 9/11 Commissioner Jim Lehman:
“The President’s correct. And the commission yesterday said exactly that. What the commission also said was there was no evidence of collaboration on any of the attacks against the United States. But we had previously pointed out that, particularly in Sudan, there is very hard evidence of collaboration on the X gas and other evidence, and additional contacts between Saddam’s intelligence service and al Qaeda in the assistance in training in weapons, chemical and biological weapons, anthrax manufacture, and that’s what we had in our report yesterday, but unfortunately, the New York Times sort of highlighted only one half of that.â€
Thus Hamilton undermined the premise of two days of the media line on how the report supposedly undermined Bush and Cheney.
August 16th, 2006 at 3:58 pmBy the way, anyone see BlueDog49…He still hiding???
August 16th, 2006 at 3:59 pmExley – you out there?
Its okay to admit you were wrong… we won’t make fun of you.
Now that your pathetic attempts to make a case that there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda have all been shot down… and madashell has helped guide you to the actual conclusion of the 911 commission that there was no “collaborative relationship†between the two parties… I would guess there is nothing left for you to do but admit to your mistake.
So go ahead… be a big boy… or girl… and own up to it… you were wrong…. very very wrong!
See… doesn’t that feel better?
August 16th, 2006 at 4:04 pmThe Iraq-al Qaeda connection:
The CIA set up Saddam in the dictator, WMD, and regional spoiler bizz
The CIA set up al-Qaeda/bin Laden in the rebel and terror biz
the CIA is their strongest link I would say
August 16th, 2006 at 4:05 pmHarper’s Magazine -911 whitewash
August 16th, 2006 at 4:08 pmYes, I’m certain that Saddam, at one point, could spell Al Queda, and there you have it! The connection! Irrefutable!
August 16th, 2006 at 4:09 pmOh, maybe not. What if he misspelled Al Qaeda? Is it still a connection? Oh well. At one point, I’ll bet he knew somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody who could spell it. There’s a connection there somewhere. Irrefutable!
August 16th, 2006 at 4:12 pmI guess exlax is not familiar with the new book that Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton just published….
August 16th, 2006 at 4:12 pmI think maybe exley finally figured out that she was barking up the wrong tree and trying to make a case that was not there?
It’s okay that she didn’t admit to her mistake… I will take her running away as evidence that she knows she was wrong.
August 16th, 2006 at 4:19 pmY’know, GW, I wish I could even say “Nice try,” but your posting #196 is truly pitiful. You utterly ignore all the quotes from Kean.,Hamilton, Lehman, the 9/11 Commission Report, Richard Clarke, the Guardian article that I so generously provided and which absolutely devastated your embarassingly wrong and discredited contention that there was no connection between Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and Al Qaeda…And while pretending that everything I provided is not there, you provide…well…absolutely nothing to support your position. Again, I win. And although you will never admit it, I know that you are beginning to question your beliefs and are beginning to realize that you have been oh-so-wrong on this issue and probably many others.
But I DO give you this much credit, GW — Unlike Grand Moff Texan and BlueDog49, you did not run away and hide. You are, at least, attempting to stand your increasingly shaky ground.
Now, I will wait for you to address individually the comments from Kean, Hamilton, Lehman I have provided you. Proceed.
August 16th, 2006 at 4:22 pmThere’s a connection there somewhere. Irrefutable!
Comment by Solitaire
Actually, there was one irrefutable evidence: OBL could not stand Saddam, for the way he treated other muslims (Iranians, Shiites vs Sunnis) and for his tolerence of other religions. Back in the Hussein heyday, you were free to practice Islam, as well as Judiasm (sp?) and Christianity. In fact, Christians where allowed in the government. Try and practice Christianity today in Bagdad (er, no thank you)
August 16th, 2006 at 4:22 pmthe above conversation, exlax – the LINK?
August 16th, 2006 at 4:23 pmEXLAX, take your bush/cheney talking points ELSEWHERE, please.
August 16th, 2006 at 4:24 pmexley,
> Al Qaeda is a Shiite group when, in fact, it is a Sunni fundamentalist terrorist > group.
Sure. And I am Jesus Christ. WTF is wrong with people like yourself. You know nothing about the other culture and make blatant false remarks about others. Did you know SH and OBL were actually enemies. SH was secular and totally against the crap of OBL.
I thank my stars that I wasnt born in this country. I am however concerned about my kids. I havent seen the human filth that I have seen here in the USA.
August 16th, 2006 at 4:25 pmWhen did DILDOS learn to speak?
August 16th, 2006 at 4:25 pmOBL did want one thing from IRAQ – LEADERSHIP CHANGE
August 16th, 2006 at 4:26 pmand guess what BUSH GAVE IT TO HIM
August 16th, 2006 at 4:27 pm> and guess what BUSH GAVE IT TO HIM
Bush is by far the best thing that could happen to OBL. You could indirectly say the blind American patriotism played in his favor.
August 16th, 2006 at 4:30 pmEXLAX, take your bush/cheney talking points ELSEWHERE, please.
Comment by madashell — August 16, 2006 @ 4:24 pm
Heh! Getting frustrated that I have refuted all of your contentions today, MaH????
I can understand that. It must be difficult for you to see all of your beliefs discredited by my careful and meticulous presentation of the facts. But fear not, junior. What you are going through is quite natural. Many people start out life as “liberals.” But then they mature and live life a little and realize that what they once believed was based not on facts or the real world. And then they become conservatives. Consider this the first day on your road to political maturity. Congratulations!
August 16th, 2006 at 4:32 pmSorry EXLAX, you have refuted NOTHING. Your bloviating BS is just that BLOVIATING BS.
August 16th, 2006 at 4:33 pmThe Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no “collaborative relationship†between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration’s main justifications for the war in Iraq. But the report of the commission’s staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation.
What is so hard about this exley?
August 16th, 2006 at 4:35 pmI’m sure the families of almost 3000 dead soldiers take great solice in “there may have been contacts, but no cooperation” to justify a war
Wow, Ajay…Right out of the box you embarass yourself with your ignorance. Are you actually claiming that Al Qaeda is not a Sunni fundamentalist terrorist group.
Oh, and you can drop the now-discredited “Saddam and Osama would never deal with eachother canard.” Even GW doesn’t try and peddle that nonsense anymore.
Here ya go, sport:
Tom Kean: “Were there contacts between al-Qaeda and Iraq? Yes. Some of them are shadowy, but there’s no question they were there.â€
Lee Hamilton: “I must say I have trouble understanding the flap over this. The Vice President is saying, I think, that there were connections between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s government. We don’t disagree with that … So it seems to me that the sharp differences that the press has drawn, the media has drawn, are not that apparent to me.â€
And here is 9/11 Commissioner Jim Lehman:
“The President’s correct. And the commission yesterday said exactly that. What the commission also said was there was no evidence of collaboration on any of the attacks against the United States. But we had previously pointed out that, particularly in Sudan, there is very hard evidence of collaboration on the X gas and other evidence, and additional contacts between Saddam’s intelligence service and al Qaeda in the assistance in training in weapons, chemical and biological weapons, anthrax manufacture, and that’s what we had in our report yesterday, but unfortunately, the New York Times sort of highlighted only one half of that.â€
August 16th, 2006 at 4:36 pmIs exley still here trying to tie Saddam to al Qaeda? Ha!
“bin Laden visited Iraq”
Is not the same as
“Saddam supported al Qaeda”
No matter how you want to spin it dumb ass.
August 16th, 2006 at 4:39 pmSorry EXLAX, you have refuted NOTHING. Your bloviating BS is just that BLOVIATING BS.
Comment by madashell — August 16, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
Heh! Sorry, MaH…But the facts and the postings and Kean, Hamilton, Lehman, the 9/11 Commission, and The Guardian say differently….
I note (with some amusement) that you have not responded to any of those postings and quotes. Well, then again, what CAN you say? Facts are facts.
But again, as with GW, I admire you for the fact that even though you know your position has now been discredited and undermined, you are sticking around, unlike the Star Wars Fan and BlueDog49, who ran away when they saw that they were beat.
Good for you! MaH. Now, the MOST mature thing you could say is, “Wow. I did not know the 9/11 Commissioners or the Commission Report said that. I guess I haven’t really though this through. Thank you, Exley, for providing me with this information.”
Go on…Say it. You know it’s true.
August 16th, 2006 at 4:41 pmThe intelligence community (CIA, NSA, DIA, etc) view, confirmed by the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission Report and the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq, is that there was not a cooperative effort between the two and that Saddam did not support the 9/11 attacks. According to this view, the difference in ideology between Saddam and al-Qaeda made cooperation in any terrorist attacks very unlikely.[3] The Senate Report discussed the possibility of Saddam offering al-Qaeda training and safe-haven, but confirmed the CIA’s conclusion that there was no evidence of operational cooperation between the two
A minority view held by some intelligence analysts is that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda did have a cooperative relationship,[citation needed] but that Saddam Hussein’s government did not support the 9/11 attacks. According to this view Saddam and al-Qaeda had an on-again, off-again cooperative relationship and were willing to use the other for their own purposes.[citation needed]
August 16th, 2006 at 4:41 pmExactly what I said…No evidence that Iraq participated in the 9/11 attacks. But much evidence that Iraq was connected with the terrorist group that perpetrated the 9/11 atrocity.
Thank you, MaH. I accept your peace offering and your tacit admission that I was correct.
By the way, what is the citation for posting #227? It is mysteriously absent.
August 16th, 2006 at 4:46 pmThen why the fvck you going on about it. The only reason for that argument is to give a reason why we invaded Iraq. If there is no connection between Iraq and 9/11, then we invaded Iraq under false pretenses.
Thanks for proving our point. Next topic.
August 16th, 2006 at 4:52 pmThe Senate Report discussed the possibility of Saddam offering al-Qaeda training and safe-haven, but confirmed the CIA’s conclusion that there was no evidence of operational cooperation between the two
sorry…game set match, exley
time to move on please
now, what’s your view on global warming?
August 16th, 2006 at 4:52 pmtracy, ya still out there? Sorry I didn’t get back to ya sooner. Here is the COVER of the Double Standard. You tell me if this isn’t offensive. Thanks TFM
August 16th, 2006 at 4:54 pmhttp://www.theweeklystandard.com/
Okay, time to go. Mr. Rove said I could leave.
I look forward to GW answering my posting in #206 and the Star Wars Fan actually reading the 9/11 Commission Report and for BlueDog49 to come out of hidng and admit he made a truly embarassing misstatement of fact when he wrote that Al Qaeda was a “radical Shiite” group, when the fact is that Al Qaeda is a Sunni terrorist organization.
Their responses should be quite amusing (But then again, maybe they will surprise me and, like MadasHell, admit I was right).
August 16th, 2006 at 4:54 pmI NEVER ADMITTED EXLAX WAS RIGHT
August 16th, 2006 at 5:00 pmIt was a tacit admission, MaH…
Okay, Mr. Rove is honking the car horn….I gotta run! Later!
August 16th, 2006 at 5:04 pmExley – Since you are obviously not very smart I’m going to go real slow and try to be as plainly spoken as possible.
The real difference in our understandings seems to lie in your inability to understand the difference between information/evidence and conclusions.
Stated simply… conclusions are the sum of all the information/evidence… they are the big picture… they are what counts!
You are missing the boat here on this argument because you want to analyze bits of information/evidence without any consideration of the information/evidence as a whole.
An example of how this type of analysis skews reality would be like going to Olympic park in Washington and pointing out it’s two weeks of sunny weather in July and trying to make the case that Olympic is a warm dry area… Anyone that looked at its annual rainfall of 144 in would certainly not agree with you rather weak case… they would rightly conclude that Olympic is generally a wet and rainy place… hence its designation as a rainforest!
You see how that works? If you take individual pieces of information/evidence out of context you can make a case for almost anything… that is why we commission committees to look at all the information/evidence and draw conclusions!
The following are conclusions from the Army War College, the Senate Intelligence Committee, and the 911 Commission… they make all of your citations of individual information/evidence irrelevant… thanks for playing… maybe next time?
1) US Army War College:
Of particular concern has been the conflation of al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s Iraq as a single, undifferentiated terrorist threat. This was a strategic error of the first order.
2) Senate Intelligence Committee report:
“The Central Intelligence Agency,†the report says, “reasonably assessed that there were likely several instances of contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida throughout the 1990s, but that these contacts did not add up to an established formal relationship.â€
3) The 911 Report:
August 16th, 2006 at 5:10 pmno “collaborative relationship†between Iraq and al Qaeda
Okay, time to go. Mr. Rove said I could leave.
Comment by exley — August 16, 2006 @ 5:04 pm
Translation: I’d rather go have a beer then stay here at work and debate ya’ll.
August 16th, 2006 at 5:13 pmEnjoy, exley, enjoy
It is interesting that exlax completely ignored everything that I said. As he stated, I guess it is hard to argue with facts.
August 16th, 2006 at 5:14 pmDavid Bass = @sshole
August 16th, 2006 at 5:44 pmTo those here who call this nonsense a “joke”: America is in dire straights and this sort of “joke” is extremely dangerous. We cannot trust that people in this country, the boobs that place an X next to the name of George W. Bush for president, truly understand what is at stake here. We MUST remove rethuglicans from office. We cannot afford to have this sort of “joke” made on a news program, because the numbskulls of this country cannot differentiate between a “joke” and the truth. And there are still people out there who consider Fox a reputable news channel. This “joke” cannot be tolerated, period.
August 16th, 2006 at 5:44 pm#100
Oh, I know that’s a joke. No problem.
August 16th, 2006 at 6:04 pm#103
Yes that is very funny…definately a joke.
August 16th, 2006 at 6:06 pm#108
Yes it’s very funny.
August 16th, 2006 at 6:06 pm#110
Yes I know that you are only joking. Do you now see the humor in Bass’s comments?
August 16th, 2006 at 6:08 pm#114
Everything you say is a joke now?
August 16th, 2006 at 6:09 pm#119
He was joking dummy.
August 16th, 2006 at 6:10 pmExley is right! Iraq and Al-Qaeda had the same relationship as Saddam and Rumsfeld who shook hands, making contact. Time to have regime change and “shock and awe” Rumsfeld out of his office!
August 16th, 2006 at 6:10 pm#122
Good god man you don’t understand what I was referring to…typical. I was responding to the point where the poster was getting his/her panties in a wad about the flight being diverted and causing inconvenience to the passengers because of woman going nuts on board the aircraft. I pointed out the the hijackers on 9/11, as they were boarding and on the plane prior to the hijacking, didn’t draw attention to themselves AT ALL…untill they decided to take it over using razor blades, and that it was absurd that the poster was getting bent out of shape because of precautionay measures.
“Evidently to you, specifying to your flight instructor that you want to learn how to take off, but you don’t need to learn how to land makes perfect sense.”
Evidently you didn’t get that information that those flight instructors didn’t report this odd request by the hijackers before 9/11 to the FBI.
August 16th, 2006 at 6:36 pm#100
Oh, I know that’s a joke. No problem.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2006 @ 6:04 pm
#103
Yes that is very funny…definately a joke.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
#108
Yes it’s very funny.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
#110
Yes I know that you are only joking. Do you now see the humor in Bass’s comments?
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2006 @ 6:08 pm
#114
Everything you say is a joke now?
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2006 @ 6:09 pm
#119
He was joking dummy.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2006 @ 6:10 pm
O.k I am trying to get this stright–was Bass joking? Is tracy funny all the time? Them rethugs crack me up. I don’t think I have ever laughed so hard. That real funny Iraq war gig is just a knee slapper and the deficit –stop-stop it hurts my ribs.
August 16th, 2006 at 7:06 pm#252, am i to understand we’re saying the fact that persons were not reported to the FBI before 9-11 who wanted to fly but not learn to take off or land?
August 16th, 2006 at 7:16 pmComment by Bluedog49 — August 16, 2006 @ 7:11 pm
Blue You owe them no apology. They support a regime that is causing death, destruction, and increasing the number of those that wish to cause us harm in the middle east. They have no shame, honor or dignity. Cut them no slack. They are like Mr.Kristol-a smirk on his face while he rides his high horse and tens of thousands have died and will continus to for his and their dream. We all deserve to be “Pissed”.
August 16th, 2006 at 7:23 pmThanks, Joe!
Comment by Bluedog49 — August 16, 2006 @ 7:27 pm
No problem. You know most of these low life trolls deserve no response. However, exley. giacomo, and Norway Bob do. They try to take the high road of smoke and mirrors. They are the worst of the worst because, they know better and that is sick. The morons are something else.
Peace
August 16th, 2006 at 7:40 pmExloui, considering the Boy is cleaning streets and sanitation depots in NY, I’ll pass on the Boy George momentarily. No, I read -
Evidently you didn’t get that information that those flight instructors didn’t report this odd request by the hijackers before 9/11 to the FBI.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2006 @ 6:36 pm
and my confusion stems from the Pheonix Memo and the testimony at
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/092402hill.html
which leads one to believe these individuals were the subject of FBI scrutiny, but the ball was dropped at the executive level of the FBI.
August 16th, 2006 at 7:43 pm#231
What do YOU think was implied by using Al Sharpton as the driver considering Lamont is a liberal democrat just like Al is? For me, I didn’t see the racial connotations like I think you did. The fact the Al Sharpton as well as Jessie Jackson served Lamont well during his campaign by endorsing him it worth noting; however, again I didn’t see the racial connotations untill, YOU pointed it out.
I will be you a $100 the you think that this is funny.
http://store.thenationmart.com/wcome.html
…it all depends on which side of the political spectrum you are on when dealing with political satire.
August 16th, 2006 at 7:56 pmComment by Sandy — August 16, 2006 @ 7:48 pm Sandy I don’t watch faux ?news?-so that ain’t gonna happen. BTW, some village in Texas is missing its’ idiot. So are you on the third or forth string? I really don’t care. Let’s try this–I can tell by your post that your in the moron group.
August 16th, 2006 at 7:57 pm#257
“O.k I am trying to get this stright–was Bass joking?”
You will have to ask TP that one considering they don’t have the courage to post a link to the interview video with Bass so we could decide for ourselves if Bass was joking.
“That real funny Iraq war gig is just a knee slapper and the deficit –stop-stop it hurts my ribs.”
Well I knew that the Iraq war was a joke as far as you were concerned…just joking.
August 16th, 2006 at 8:02 pm#259
I accept your apology and if I offended you in any way I too apologize. I too think that this is all deadly serious stuff, but this little comment which I think was definately touge and cheek, is nothing to get worked up about that’s all. And once again since we don’t have the video link…oh well we will have to continue to speculate.
August 16th, 2006 at 8:09 pm#261
Can’t we all just get along! LOL!
August 16th, 2006 at 8:11 pm#266
“You know most of these low life trolls deserve no response.”
Well you sure are a hypocrite…troll, something that you probably deny.
August 16th, 2006 at 8:14 pm#280
It’s about as funny as you think it is.
August 16th, 2006 at 8:24 pm#258 … BlueDog49…I accept your admission of guilt and error. You are forgiven.
August 16th, 2006 at 8:29 pmNOW THIS IS GETTING INTERESTING!
Comment by Dr Joyce Brother — August 16, 2006 @ 8:27 pm
Yes! sandy can’t tell who is on her side. sandy is now defending tracy whom I sent a smack down. tracy thinks I’m a troll. We must be in the brazoro world. If you can’t read a post go back to “reality T.V” Do I haVE to use the sarcasm switch/? Try an re-read posts# 257-261- and 266 again “tank girl”.
August 16th, 2006 at 8:44 pmWell I knew that the Iraq war was a joke as far as you were concerned…just joking.
Comment by Tracy — August 16, 2006 @ 8:02 pm
Everybody please laugh Tracy just cracked a joke! or did she not?
Comment by Sandy — August 16, 2006 @ 8:05 pm
So when I was not joking but, pretened to and you were or thought you were and sandy thought I wasn’t and then I thought you didn’t understand that sandy was or sometimes does but, you don’t so I got that stright now–I think- it was not a joke unless you think it was but, faux ?news? is always a joke. I think tracy, sandy and I can all agree on this.
August 16th, 2006 at 8:53 pmJoefriday what part of married you did not get it uh? Stop it boy!
Comment by Sandy — August 16, 2006 @ 8:55 pm
Shucks Miz sandy I only have the most honorable of intentions. Now that tracy person- I’m a thinking “water boarding”, or maybe something with car batteries and body parts..just joking with my buddy tracy see ya at the laugh stop. Who knows –purple onion?
August 16th, 2006 at 9:22 pm#165 – Grand Moff Texan,
August 16th, 2006 at 10:36 pmThere’s a real Trojan Horse in that link (Exploit-URLSpoof.gen).
“She’s probably not an al Qaeda affiliate, probably not a terrorist, could just be a Ned Lamont supporter, we don’t know.â€
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I don’t watch Fox! Not a problem. Those who do are too dumb to think anyway!
August 17th, 2006 at 3:44 amPersonally, it would not be in your best interests Trolls, to have all these little personal quips to each other to be influential to yourselves or anyone who is human-ish! Just as your comments are DOA here.
Maybe she was just a Bush supporter of FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 17th, 2006 at 10:08 am#303
“sandy is now defending tracy whom I sent a smack down.”
Funny, I thought it was hot air…maybe the wind.
August 17th, 2006 at 5:43 pm#306
“I think tracy, sandy and I can all agree on this.”
As much as MSNBC,CNN, ABC, CBC, NBC, the NY Times or the LA Times is…even TP.
August 17th, 2006 at 5:45 pm