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		<title>By: DRxJ</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/16/thinkfast-august-16-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-735187</link>
		<dc:creator>DRxJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Thanks for posting my quote. I stated that I used IVY LEAGUE as a metaphor for TOP RANKED ...
vulcanism...

Comment by Jason M. Hendler &lt;/em&gt;

Jason, it took you all day to come up with that???   Okay...first : I never quoted you! I was rephrasing Mark&#039;s comment!  Follow me here:  Mark said &lt;strong&gt;You would think a guy with an advanced degree from a prestigious university like Stanford, would know this.&lt;/strong&gt;  I added &lt;strong&gt;a prestigious IVY LEAGUE school like Stanford&lt;/strong&gt;  See, not your quote, but an addition to Mark&#039;s quote.
If I were to quote you, it would be this     &quot;Stanford, an Ivy League school&quot;
Second:  It is not vulcanism, it is VOLCANISM.  How would an engineer with such expertise in climatology get vulcanization confused with volcanism?  Are you a star trek fan? I mean, how would you feel about my credentials (a pharmacist) if I confused anti-pyretic (fever reducing) with pruritus ani (chronic itching of the skin around the anus).   
Jason, this is why I, and many others, have a hard time believing you and your credentials.  Are you a paid schill just to disrupt this sight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Thanks for posting my quote. I stated that I used IVY LEAGUE as a metaphor for TOP RANKED &#8230;<br />
vulcanism&#8230;</p>
<p>Comment by Jason M. Hendler </em></p>
<p>Jason, it took you all day to come up with that???   Okay&#8230;first : I never quoted you! I was rephrasing Mark&#8217;s comment!  Follow me here:  Mark said <strong>You would think a guy with an advanced degree from a prestigious university like Stanford, would know this.</strong>  I added <strong>a prestigious IVY LEAGUE school like Stanford</strong>  See, not your quote, but an addition to Mark&#8217;s quote.<br />
If I were to quote you, it would be this     &#8220;Stanford, an Ivy League school&#8221;<br />
Second:  It is not vulcanism, it is VOLCANISM.  How would an engineer with such expertise in climatology get vulcanization confused with volcanism?  Are you a star trek fan? I mean, how would you feel about my credentials (a pharmacist) if I confused anti-pyretic (fever reducing) with pruritus ani (chronic itching of the skin around the anus).<br />
Jason, this is why I, and many others, have a hard time believing you and your credentials.  Are you a paid schill just to disrupt this sight?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=735187', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason M. Hendler</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/16/thinkfast-august-16-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-735096</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason M. Hendler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#129, Dr.

&lt;blockquote&gt;... a prestigious IVY LEAGUE school like Stanford ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for posting my quote.  I stated that I used IVY LEAGUE as a metaphor for TOP RANKED, but it turns out that I used a simile, having inserted the word &quot;like&quot; - my point being that those who meet graduates of TOP RANKED universities typically feel insecure, and do all they can to try to prove they are smarter.  I tend not to mention my credentials unless they pertain directly to the discussion, as they did in that particular, or previous, thread.

Vulcinization is the process by which synthetic rubbers solidify.  I meant to use the word vulcanism, which can mean any volcanic or geo-thermal process (could be geyser related also).

I do understand urban heat islands.  Yes, current theorists state that it is just the retention of solar heat by steel, glass, concrete and higher local concentrations of greenhouse gases in smog.  I believe man&#039;s concentrated use of energy in urban areas is a greater contributor than the heat storing capacity of materials.  If you don&#039;t accurately identify the main contributors to a problem, you will never identify the correct solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#129, Dr.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; a prestigious IVY LEAGUE school like Stanford &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for posting my quote.  I stated that I used IVY LEAGUE as a metaphor for TOP RANKED, but it turns out that I used a simile, having inserted the word &#8220;like&#8221; &#8211; my point being that those who meet graduates of TOP RANKED universities typically feel insecure, and do all they can to try to prove they are smarter.  I tend not to mention my credentials unless they pertain directly to the discussion, as they did in that particular, or previous, thread.</p>
<p>Vulcinization is the process by which synthetic rubbers solidify.  I meant to use the word vulcanism, which can mean any volcanic or geo-thermal process (could be geyser related also).</p>
<p>I do understand urban heat islands.  Yes, current theorists state that it is just the retention of solar heat by steel, glass, concrete and higher local concentrations of greenhouse gases in smog.  I believe man&#8217;s concentrated use of energy in urban areas is a greater contributor than the heat storing capacity of materials.  If you don&#8217;t accurately identify the main contributors to a problem, you will never identify the correct solution.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=735096', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zooey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zooey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;But I finally discovered that he changed the method of communicating via e-mail â€” the only way to do so was to send it using a form on his Web site. 
Comment by WC&lt;/em&gt;

When I call, he&#039;s never there.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But I finally discovered that he changed the method of communicating via e-mail â€” the only way to do so was to send it using a form on his Web site.<br />
Comment by WC</em></p>
<p>When I call, he&#8217;s never there.  :)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=733749', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Briseadh na Faire</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/16/thinkfast-august-16-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-733371</link>
		<dc:creator>Briseadh na Faire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;#16, Bris,
 
You are wrong again. The Supreme Court maintained that is WAS lawful for the US to hold those prisoners in Gitmo, they just asked that Congress address what type of proceedings were required to process the prisoners - military courts, federal courts, civil courts or some new hybrid process for this new type of stateless warfare we are now experiencing. 

Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” August 16, 2006 @ 10:07 am&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/em&gt; 

Yet all the time you maintained that the prisoners had no rights under the Constitution. How quickly you forget your own wrong arguments.  The Supreme Court held that they do have rights under the Constitution, and under the Geneva Convention as well.

Now, your expertise on Constitutional Law is matched, yea perhaps even surpassed, by your expertise on Global Warming.</description>
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<blockquote><p>#16, Bris,</p>
<p>You are wrong again. The Supreme Court maintained that is WAS lawful for the US to hold those prisoners in Gitmo, they just asked that Congress address what type of proceedings were required to process the prisoners &#8211; military courts, federal courts, civil courts or some new hybrid process for this new type of stateless warfare we are now experiencing. </p>
<p>Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” August 16, 2006 @ 10:07 am</p></blockquote>
<p></em> </p>
<p>Yet all the time you maintained that the prisoners had no rights under the Constitution. How quickly you forget your own wrong arguments.  The Supreme Court held that they do have rights under the Constitution, and under the Geneva Convention as well.</p>
<p>Now, your expertise on Constitutional Law is matched, yea perhaps even surpassed, by your expertise on Global Warming.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=733371', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Bush Awareness Report &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Going back to their Roots&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/16/thinkfast-august-16-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-733088</link>
		<dc:creator>The Bush Awareness Report &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Going back to their Roots&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DRxJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRxJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, why so quiet?  Is it because of this... &lt;em&gt;in that heat inside the Earth is regularly released through VULCANIZATION.&lt;/em&gt;

You mean the heat inside the earth is regularly released through &lt;em&gt;the  process of treating rubber or rubberlike materials with sulphur at great heat to improve elasticity and strength or to harden them.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, why so quiet?  Is it because of this&#8230; <em>in that heat inside the Earth is regularly released through VULCANIZATION.</em></p>
<p>You mean the heat inside the earth is regularly released through <em>the  process of treating rubber or rubberlike materials with sulphur at great heat to improve elasticity and strength or to harden them.</em><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732477', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RUCerious</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/16/thinkfast-august-16-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-732425</link>
		<dc:creator>RUCerious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deÂ·luÂ·sion (d-lzhn)
n.
1.
a. The act or process of deluding.
b. The state of being deluded.
2. A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
3. Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.

Iâ€™ll take b, c and d for a million. 
Mr Hendler, if the foo sh**s, wear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deÂ·luÂ·sion (d-lzhn)<br />
n.<br />
1.<br />
a. The act or process of deluding.<br />
b. The state of being deluded.<br />
2. A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.<br />
3. Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.</p>
<p>Iâ€™ll take b, c and d for a million.<br />
Mr Hendler, if the foo sh**s, wear it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732425', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I debunked current global warming theories as to their root causes
Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” August 16, 2006 @ 10:33 am &lt;/i&gt;

You are nowhere even close to doing that, Mr. Hendler. You see, to debunk something it needs to have &quot;bunk&quot; first.  

All you have done is offer uneducated guesses, wildly speculative arguments, and a plethora of untested hypothesis (if we can call them that).

To support your position you have not offered data or analysis, but the work of a science &lt;b&gt;fiction&lt;/b&gt; writer, and a TV show on climate change and temperature measurement. 

It seems to me your contentions (each one of them) have been thoroughly debunked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I debunked current global warming theories as to their root causes<br />
Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” August 16, 2006 @ 10:33 am </i></p>
<p>You are nowhere even close to doing that, Mr. Hendler. You see, to debunk something it needs to have &#8220;bunk&#8221; first.  </p>
<p>All you have done is offer uneducated guesses, wildly speculative arguments, and a plethora of untested hypothesis (if we can call them that).</p>
<p>To support your position you have not offered data or analysis, but the work of a science <b>fiction</b> writer, and a TV show on climate change and temperature measurement. </p>
<p>It seems to me your contentions (each one of them) have been thoroughly debunked.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732287', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: madashell</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/16/thinkfast-august-16-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-732227</link>
		<dc:creator>madashell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one has mentioned that fact that the ice melting in greenland, antartica, siberia, etc...., makes it so that the sun is not reflected back...which in turns HEATS UP THE PLANET.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has mentioned that fact that the ice melting in greenland, antartica, siberia, etc&#8230;., makes it so that the sun is not reflected back&#8230;which in turns HEATS UP THE PLANET.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732227', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: madashell</title>
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		<dc:creator>madashell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cev1jFt-Uic&amp;eurl=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;THE 2008 GOP CONVENTION&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cev1jFt-Uic&amp;eurl=" rel="nofollow">THE 2008 GOP CONVENTION</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732207', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RealScientist</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/16/thinkfast-august-16-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-732203</link>
		<dc:creator>RealScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt; I have a solid understanding of thermodynamics and heat / mass transfer.&lt;/em&gt;

Jason, no you don&#039;t.  You don&#039;t even understand the urban heat island effect, such as it is!  It isn&#039;t the heat we release by AC, driving, heating etc.  It is the absorption and retention of radiant heat from the sun that causes the effect.  You have absolutely no clue whatsoever.  The things you have claimed here in the past 24 hours are preposterously stupid, and anyone with a degree in ME should know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em> I have a solid understanding of thermodynamics and heat / mass transfer.</em></p>
<p>Jason, no you don&#8217;t.  You don&#8217;t even understand the urban heat island effect, such as it is!  It isn&#8217;t the heat we release by AC, driving, heating etc.  It is the absorption and retention of radiant heat from the sun that causes the effect.  You have absolutely no clue whatsoever.  The things you have claimed here in the past 24 hours are preposterously stupid, and anyone with a degree in ME should know it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732203', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DRxJ</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/16/thinkfast-august-16-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-732160</link>
		<dc:creator>DRxJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;You would think a guy with an advanced degree from a prestigious university like Stanford, would know this.

Comment by Mark&lt;/em&gt;

Careful there Mark. You have now opened a can of worms, and Jason will come back with attacks, name calling, along with the arrogance that  surrounds him.
Next time, use the phrase &quot;a prestigious IVY LEAGUE school like Stanford. That really gets the hornets a buzzin&#039;

All in all, a very good, informed post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You would think a guy with an advanced degree from a prestigious university like Stanford, would know this.</p>
<p>Comment by Mark</em></p>
<p>Careful there Mark. You have now opened a can of worms, and Jason will come back with attacks, name calling, along with the arrogance that  surrounds him.<br />
Next time, use the phrase &#8220;a prestigious IVY LEAGUE school like Stanford. That really gets the hornets a buzzin&#8217;</p>
<p>All in all, a very good, informed post.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732160', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On my way out just one last response.....Contacting representatives and the white house past administration and present.......When Clinton was in office I sent letters called the white house switch board and toward the end of his term sent emails on lot&#039;s of subjects.  Guess what I always got returned answers....Alway&#039;s.  It was aids that handled all my queries with speed and dignety....I also recieved letters from Clinton and Gore. Form letters naturely mailed out to many I am sure but good responses......Moving right along...I have attempted to call the white house since bush was installed and been blocked every time, no aid to answer or response, just refere me to the gov. web site.......I have mailed hundreds of emails over the past 5+ years with questions and or statements and never (never recieved) any response. .......The only thing I have ever gotten is an excuse saying &quot; due to high traffic the white house cannot respond at this time.&quot;.......5 year&#039;s later still no response..Well guess the entire staff is always on vacation......Hell yes, the dummie in charge doesn&#039;t have form letters or form emails he and his crew are constantly on vacation or AWOL...........Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On my way out just one last response&#8230;..Contacting representatives and the white house past administration and present&#8230;&#8230;.When Clinton was in office I sent letters called the white house switch board and toward the end of his term sent emails on lot&#8217;s of subjects.  Guess what I always got returned answers&#8230;.Alway&#8217;s.  It was aids that handled all my queries with speed and dignety&#8230;.I also recieved letters from Clinton and Gore. Form letters naturely mailed out to many I am sure but good responses&#8230;&#8230;Moving right along&#8230;I have attempted to call the white house since bush was installed and been blocked every time, no aid to answer or response, just refere me to the gov. web site&#8230;&#8230;.I have mailed hundreds of emails over the past 5+ years with questions and or statements and never (never recieved) any response. &#8230;&#8230;.The only thing I have ever gotten is an excuse saying &#8221; due to high traffic the white house cannot respond at this time.&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.5 year&#8217;s later still no response..Well guess the entire staff is always on vacation&#8230;&#8230;Hell yes, the dummie in charge doesn&#8217;t have form letters or form emails he and his crew are constantly on vacation or AWOL&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Peace<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732157', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#74 that analogy holds no water as there is no measurable data on communism etcâ€¦ only theory (or hypothesis if you think in terms of scientific theory, but theory works for lay people even though scientific theory is not what they think it is). Much like the Lafer curve, all he had was theory and bad theory at that, yet millions latched onto it incorrectly assuming it to be valid because it fit their ideological world view.  The big difference with Laffer and papers on communism vs. global warming is data and peer review.  When the only thing you have going for you is ideology you are invariably going to be wrong.  When you have hard facts and peer review there is less chance for error.  

I, myself have a degree in geology as well as one in accounting and an MBA (weird combo) so with my back ground I tend to think of climate in terms of thousands and tens of thousands of years for climate cycles to evolve.  This view may hold true in the long run, but I will not be alive to find out.  However, with my back ground I am able to note that past patterns may not hold true to day as the population of the earth has increased dramatically, I still remember back in 5th grade when my teacher told us that the population had recently passed 4 billion, which was 2.5 billion people ago.  The sheer numbers of people using fossil fuels and the number of products base don fossil fuels has increased dramatically since way back them.  It does not take a great leap of imagination to associate mankind with a warmer world, in fact intuitively this should be the first thought on everyone&#039;s mind (except of course Christian fundamentalists who are praying for the end of times and dream that warmer temps are due to gods actions).  That is my gut intuition, and I will trust the thousands of scientists who have analyzed the data and written critically reviewed papers on the topic.  I will not trust political pundits.

I mention that I used to think of climate in terms of thousands of years for cycles,  even if this were true, and there is a possibility that that view point is wrong, should we do something today to counteract any threats in the future?  The president is all for invading countries based on the theory that they may someday pose a threat, should the same be held today if there is a possibility of  a future threat?

The right is agaisnt the notion of global warming, real or not, based on percieved affects on business.  They view profits today over the value of quality life tomorrow, which is a very sad view.  However that view point is fallicious.  They said the same thing in the early 1970&#039;s when pollution controls started becoming stronger, yet the economy has been fairly strong since then.  Also what exactly is wrong with conservation?  I&#039;m not quite sure why the right considers this to be a bad idea.

#86 volcano&#039;s have been erupting since the dawn of time, what is new to the arena is man&#039;s unfettered consumption of fossil fuels.  Also vulcanization has nothing to do with volcanic activity.  Vulcanization is related to treating rubber.  You would think a guy with an advanced degree from a  prestigious university like Stanford, would know this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#74 that analogy holds no water as there is no measurable data on communism etcâ€¦ only theory (or hypothesis if you think in terms of scientific theory, but theory works for lay people even though scientific theory is not what they think it is). Much like the Lafer curve, all he had was theory and bad theory at that, yet millions latched onto it incorrectly assuming it to be valid because it fit their ideological world view.  The big difference with Laffer and papers on communism vs. global warming is data and peer review.  When the only thing you have going for you is ideology you are invariably going to be wrong.  When you have hard facts and peer review there is less chance for error.  </p>
<p>I, myself have a degree in geology as well as one in accounting and an MBA (weird combo) so with my back ground I tend to think of climate in terms of thousands and tens of thousands of years for climate cycles to evolve.  This view may hold true in the long run, but I will not be alive to find out.  However, with my back ground I am able to note that past patterns may not hold true to day as the population of the earth has increased dramatically, I still remember back in 5th grade when my teacher told us that the population had recently passed 4 billion, which was 2.5 billion people ago.  The sheer numbers of people using fossil fuels and the number of products base don fossil fuels has increased dramatically since way back them.  It does not take a great leap of imagination to associate mankind with a warmer world, in fact intuitively this should be the first thought on everyone&#8217;s mind (except of course Christian fundamentalists who are praying for the end of times and dream that warmer temps are due to gods actions).  That is my gut intuition, and I will trust the thousands of scientists who have analyzed the data and written critically reviewed papers on the topic.  I will not trust political pundits.</p>
<p>I mention that I used to think of climate in terms of thousands of years for cycles,  even if this were true, and there is a possibility that that view point is wrong, should we do something today to counteract any threats in the future?  The president is all for invading countries based on the theory that they may someday pose a threat, should the same be held today if there is a possibility of  a future threat?</p>
<p>The right is agaisnt the notion of global warming, real or not, based on percieved affects on business.  They view profits today over the value of quality life tomorrow, which is a very sad view.  However that view point is fallicious.  They said the same thing in the early 1970&#8217;s when pollution controls started becoming stronger, yet the economy has been fairly strong since then.  Also what exactly is wrong with conservation?  I&#8217;m not quite sure why the right considers this to be a bad idea.</p>
<p>#86 volcano&#8217;s have been erupting since the dawn of time, what is new to the arena is man&#8217;s unfettered consumption of fossil fuels.  Also vulcanization has nothing to do with volcanic activity.  Vulcanization is related to treating rubber.  You would think a guy with an advanced degree from a  prestigious university like Stanford, would know this.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732124', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Randal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/16/thinkfast-august-16-2006/comment-page-2/#comment-732123</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SEPTEMBER A BAD MONTH?
Wed. 16th of August 2006
by Jay Randal

I believe this coming September might be the most dangerous time in our nation&#039;s history, but not due to foreign terrorists, but from the evil Bush Regime!

Pres. George Bush&#039;s approval ratings are falling fast again, as the Iraq occupation goes from bad to worse, so as the election looms closer it causes a lot of tension!

VP Dick Cheney, and his Neocon pals, desire a war on Iran badly, which means September could be their last chance to instigate any aggression against them!

Plus the Senators and Representatives are occupied with campaigning, so the last opportunity to commit an attack is next month, so will the Congress allow it?

( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Stone Mountain, Georgia.)

PS: To all my friends, and fellow posters on TP, this is my last post until September, since I am taking time off from politics and will be busy doing other things, so keep up the fight against the Bush Regime injustices and do NOT let the Bush lover trolls twist the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SEPTEMBER A BAD MONTH?<br />
Wed. 16th of August 2006<br />
by Jay Randal</p>
<p>I believe this coming September might be the most dangerous time in our nation&#8217;s history, but not due to foreign terrorists, but from the evil Bush Regime!</p>
<p>Pres. George Bush&#8217;s approval ratings are falling fast again, as the Iraq occupation goes from bad to worse, so as the election looms closer it causes a lot of tension!</p>
<p>VP Dick Cheney, and his Neocon pals, desire a war on Iran badly, which means September could be their last chance to instigate any aggression against them!</p>
<p>Plus the Senators and Representatives are occupied with campaigning, so the last opportunity to commit an attack is next month, so will the Congress allow it?</p>
<p>( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Stone Mountain, Georgia.)</p>
<p>PS: To all my friends, and fellow posters on TP, this is my last post until September, since I am taking time off from politics and will be busy doing other things, so keep up the fight against the Bush Regime injustices and do NOT let the Bush lover trolls twist the truth.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732123', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WC</title>
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		<dc:creator>WC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;So, IMO, this may not be the best way to communicate with our representatives. 

Comment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian) â€” August 16, 2006 @ 11:25 am&lt;/em&gt;

I have to agree with you.  And really, the same could go for contact via phone; how do you know that the person on the other end is accurately recording your position?  It&#039;s easy for a congressman to say &quot;A majority of my consituents support ____&quot; but unless anyone outside of the staff actually looks at all the info, who is to say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>So, IMO, this may not be the best way to communicate with our representatives. </p>
<p>Comment by PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian) â€” August 16, 2006 @ 11:25 am</em></p>
<p>I have to agree with you.  And really, the same could go for contact via phone; how do you know that the person on the other end is accurately recording your position?  It&#8217;s easy for a congressman to say &#8220;A majority of my consituents support ____&#8221; but unless anyone outside of the staff actually looks at all the info, who is to say?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732111', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve53</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no glory in failure. It means that a person who conjured up a vision, had no vision at all. That vision failed regardless of the extreme tactics employed. Only success brings glory, because it reaffirms true vision of what will be. 

Comment by Jason M. Hendler 
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 A quote from Timothy McVeigh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no glory in failure. It means that a person who conjured up a vision, had no vision at all. That vision failed regardless of the extreme tactics employed. Only success brings glory, because it reaffirms true vision of what will be. </p>
<p>Comment by Jason M. Hendler<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
 A quote from Timothy McVeigh?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732090', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian)</title>
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		<dc:creator>PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only way to do so was to send it [e-mail] using a form on his Web site. 

Comment by WC

I sent e-mail to my Senators in opposition to the marriage protection amendment and, using their form, checked the appropriate topic box.  I got a form letter response weeks later that read like I agreed with their support of the amendment.  I&#039;m concerned that, as a result, I am now listed and counted as a supporter!  So, IMO, this may not be the best way to communicate with our representatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only way to do so was to send it [e-mail] using a form on his Web site. </p>
<p>Comment by WC</p>
<p>I sent e-mail to my Senators in opposition to the marriage protection amendment and, using their form, checked the appropriate topic box.  I got a form letter response weeks later that read like I agreed with their support of the amendment.  I&#8217;m concerned that, as a result, I am now listed and counted as a supporter!  So, IMO, this may not be the best way to communicate with our representatives.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732070', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madashell, wonder if they went through the same thing I did on the site.....When their vacation is over we need to get ahold of Judd or who ever monitors these sites and get an idea of what&#039;s going on.........Someone told me there might be some type of site restictions like spamming going on or viruses.  I&#039;m not real savy on all that stuff so I can&#039;t say.......Off to hug trees and pick berries...Blessings all.......Peace is the answer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madashell, wonder if they went through the same thing I did on the site&#8230;..When their vacation is over we need to get ahold of Judd or who ever monitors these sites and get an idea of what&#8217;s going on&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Someone told me there might be some type of site restictions like spamming going on or viruses.  I&#8217;m not real savy on all that stuff so I can&#8217;t say&#8230;&#8230;.Off to hug trees and pick berries&#8230;Blessings all&#8230;&#8230;.Peace is the answer<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732066', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian)</title>
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		<dc:creator>PLC (PatrioticLiberalChristian)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Troll names remind me of the &quot;banana song&quot;  (&quot;ana, bana, bobana, fe fi fofana):
     brandi, randy, sandy, fi fi not so dandy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troll names remind me of the &#8220;banana song&#8221;  (&#8221;ana, bana, bobana, fe fi fofana):<br />
     brandi, randy, sandy, fi fi not so dandy<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=732062', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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