Bush Ignores Calling For Minimum Wage Increase On 10-Year Anniversary Of Last Increase
Bush Ignores Calling For Minimum Wage Increase On 10-Year Anniversary Of Last Increase
After President Bush met with his economic advisors today, he spoke to the media on the state of the economy:
We discussed the state of the economy. We discussed where our economy is headed. And we discussed the steps that we’re going to take to ensure that our economy continues to lead the world.
One important step that Bush didn’t discuss in his speech was an increase in the minimum wage. This Sunday, Aug. 20, marks the 10-year anniversary of the 1996 minimum wage bill — the last time the minimum wage was increased.
Today, eight million Americans are still living on $5.15 an hour and the federal minimum wage is currently at its lowest level in 51 years. Since President Bush took office, the number of Americans living in poverty has increased by 5.4 million. (Unemployment and poverty rates fell after the 1996 legislation.)
The Senate recently voted down a wage increase because it was tied, in a political ploy, to a cut in inheritance taxes on multimilllion-dollar estates.
The American economy can’t continue to lead if eight million people are left behind.
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Cue idiot reighwingnut arguments about how increasing minimum wage hurts the economy by hurting business owners in 3…2…1…
August 18th, 2006 at 5:01 pmOT, but you can’t make this sh!t up.
Bush pardons moonshining ‘Deliverance’ actor
August 18th, 2006 at 5:02 pmCNN
August 18, 2006
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/18/bush.pardon/index.html
w could at least have said something like: “And so many of the people in this situation here, you know, are underprivileged anyway, so this–this (chuckling slightly) is working very well for them.”
August 18th, 2006 at 5:03 pmThe House hasn’t allowed a full floor vote on the minimum wage since the last increase went into effect [in 1996]
Just about the time the Republicans took over the House.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:10 pm“You are the have and the have-mores. Some call you the elite, I call you my base”.-George W. Bush.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:12 pm
And we discussed the steps that we’re going to take to ensure that our economy continues to lead the world.
and you probably know that SINCE 9/11…
Heh! These crooks get away with those two numbers everytime.
:|
August 18th, 2006 at 5:13 pmWho you kiddiing……..
Lets face it the the economy is humming along so well….
THEY DIDNT EVEN NEED TO WEAR TIES!!!!
WOW!!!
August 18th, 2006 at 5:20 pmIt is time that Americans got something clear. The so called war on terror is a lie as far as a cohesive target…….but more importantly…….there is a war. Just one most people are not aware of..but more are becoming aware of. The war is between the thugs in power and the general populace they are screwing and want divided – they wanted us fighting each other from the beginning. You see…the American people are the right wing crime familys enemy. They want to dominate us and take our resources. One ex: sell off forest land to the rich..then it doesn’t matter if the rest of the country goes to hell..they’ll have their scenic spots owned and secure. They then can build the “rape highway” they have planned ( Governor Perry’s little project) up the middle of this country. How cute. A symbol of divide and conquer loud and clear. Why would Bush / Rove / CrazyCheny / and Rummy want to unite/strengthen this country? Think about it. Would you want to unite your enemies? It would not serve their interests to unite us. So…folks. Keep watchin Jon Benet, be very afraid all the time ( doesn’t matter what of) and just keep quiet like good little slaves. Or …….not.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:22 pmCaption contest:
August 18th, 2006 at 5:33 pmTeletubbies reloaded.
He is drinking…and all this time I gave him the benefit of being a dry drunk. Dubya is drinking…
August 18th, 2006 at 5:46 pmThis sitting president is not qualified for any job above a minimum wage fast food counter position. His MBA must be a Masterful Bulls**t Artist credential.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:48 pmHOW MUCH IS CHENEY MAKING FROM WAR PROFITEERING HALIBURTON? APPALLING THAT THIS PREZ DOESN’T RESPECT THE MIDDLE CLASS IN THIS COUNTRY. TIME TO GIVE THEM ALL THE BOOT!
August 18th, 2006 at 5:48 pmCaption contest:
August 18th, 2006 at 5:50 pmSnow job and the eight mental midgets
BTW – Is that Cheney asleep on his feet behind and to the left of the jerk in the center?
August 18th, 2006 at 5:51 pmI CERTAINLY HOPE HE IS BACK ON BOOZE; OTHERWISE, HIS PATHETIC SPEECH BLUNDERS AND DISJOINTED THOUGHT PATTERNS BECOME VERY, VERY SCARY. NO WONDER THE BRITS CALL HIS ADMINISTRATION PURE CRAP AND THE CHINESE ARE TELLING US TO SHUT UP. WHO’S NEXT TO SLAP HIM DOWN? UNLESS “WE, THE PEOPLE” BEGIN TO DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY, TRUTH, AND JUSTICE FROM THOSE WHO SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENT US, WE ARE AS MUCH TO BLAME HERE AND RESPECT WILL NEVER BE RETURNED TO WHAT WAS ONCE A GREAT COUNTRY BY THE REST OF THE WORLD. THEY’RE DROPPING US LIKE HOT POTATOES RIGHT NOW.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:52 pmI agree it’s time to boot them. And it is also past time, not to criticize great wit when I read it, to move past the wise cracks, laughing at chimpy, and zinging the president in all sorts of creative ways. He deserves far greater condemnation ………He deserves our very real anger. And he deserves to lose his job……..the joking time is over as far as I’m concerned. It just doesn’t cut it for me anymore.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:52 pmIT IS TIME FOR SOME REAL ANGER BECAUSE IT IS TOTALLY JUSTIFIED. IT MAKES MY HEAD SPIN WHEN I TRY TO ENUMERATE ALL OF THE LIES, STORIES, ILLEGAL ACTIONS, ETC. WHEN IS THIS NONSENSE GOING TO STOP? IT WILL ONLY STOP WHEN THE PEOPLE BEGIN TO DEMAND HONESTY AND ACCOUNTABILITY FROM THEIR PUBLIC SERVANTS; AND, YES, THAT INCLUDES THE PRESIDENT! HE IS OUR ‘HEAD PUBLIC SERVANT’ AND THE BUCK SHOULD ALWAYS STOP THERE UNLESS HE IS A COWARD AND CANNOT HANDLE TAKING THE HEAT OF HIS WRONGDOINGS.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:56 pms – You’re right, but until we elect a Democratic congress in Nov and begin the stain removal process I am going to have as much fun as I can at his expense. Please scroll past my posts if I don’t sound angry enough.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:58 pm#5: “This administration is a government of the rich, by the rich, and FOR the rich. Everyone else as far as they’re concerned can f*ck off.”
Nonsense, they don’t want anybody to f*ck off. Don’t you know that “abstinence only” is the wave of the future?
August 18th, 2006 at 5:59 pmAnd he deserves to lose his job
Comment by s — August 18, 2006 @ 5:52 pm
And a war trial, no better than Saddam. He is a genocide.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:59 pmRUCerious…..no offense meant. Whatever we need I guess. I’m just sooooooo sickened by him I can’t laugh about it. Maybe you can make me laugh..:)
It would be appreciated…but prob not possible.
The pain these hoods have caused is immeasurable.
I also agree he is a war criminal. ( that wasn’t very funny was it……)
August 18th, 2006 at 6:02 pmsee? I’m hopeless
marie, just don’t give yourself a headache! :-]
anyone listening to air america? tom hartman in for randi today…
he talks about a plan for a group to get it together to help out with the coming election and voter supprerssion… look for details on monday, he says…
hey, i’m ready now… this is just about out of control…
these guys are criminals…
August 18th, 2006 at 6:04 pms- None taken. He is a dark splotch on the history of this great nation. His karma will be dealt with by the appropriate karmic authorities. Until then, our job is damage control and minimization of his evil deeds.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:05 pmI think handing he, Cheney, Rummy and Rice over to the Hague for war crimes trials would be the hallmard of the RUCerious platform.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:06 pmhallmard? mark…? damn, not only am I not funny, I can’t spellllllll.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:07 pmI think handing he, Cheney, Rummy and Rice over to the Hague for war crimes trials would be the hallmard of the RUCerious platform.
Comment by RUCerious — August 18, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
or you could use just an old guillotine.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:09 pmBut we could have the Democrats raise taxes on everyone who works – excluding the Left, of course – and destroy the economy in quick order.
Then we can all work for minimum wage. The Democrats would love that one.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:12 pmWHEN IS THIS NONSENSE GOING TO STOP?
January 20, 2009. That’s when Bush leaves office.
Of course, the real nonsense could start if one of those morons in the Demoncratic Party somehow get elected. Now THAT would be a disaster.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:13 pm:) RUCerious…you got close to bring a smile with that one. Why not Hallturd? That’s better
I liked the Karma ref. Being a Zen Buddhist, I’m with ya. I shudder to think of the Karmic bills that Bushyboy is going to get in the mail. I almost…almost feel a tad sorry for him. He’s just so out of it.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:13 pmThe House hasn’t allowed a full floor vote on the minimum wage since the last increase went into effect [in 1996]
Just about the time the Republicans took over the House.
I know it is hard to confront a liberal with facts, but the GOP took control of the House in January 1995. That was a FULL YEAR before the Congress voted for an increase.
I know facts are pesky things for a liberal to understand, but at least try to make an effort to know something, for God’s sake.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:15 pmI shudder to think of the Karmic bills that Bushyboy is going to get in the mail.
If anyone is going to Hell, it is that liar Clinton. Maybe one day some woman will bite off his dick while he is raping her.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:16 pmWho in the hell makes $5.15-an-hour? If anyone here is making $5.15 (those of you that do work) you only need walk down the street to McDonalds and make $7.50-an-hour. My recently graduated son washes dishes and buses tables for $10-an-hour.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:17 pmand you probably know that SINCE 9/11…
Heh! These crooks get away with those two numbers everytime…
That’s because we have not had a terror attack since that date, numbnuts.
We are waiting for the Democrats to take over something, so we can let down our guard and get attacked. The Left would love that.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:18 pmdon’t bite… not worth it…
August 18th, 2006 at 6:18 pmalexander’s bullshit deserves no more time here…
Who in the hell makes $5.15-an-hour?
Liberals who are either too stupid or too lazy to work.
This is why they want the government to get them some more money. It makes the limousine liberals feel better to milk businesses of any profit.
Never ask a liberal about economics. They will merely turn to their friend Karl Marx for advice.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:19 pmFinally some truth and a little humor for your Friday!
http://www.break.com/index/evil_state_of_union.html
August 18th, 2006 at 6:21 pmJuan, let me go see if I have one of those in the back forty..
August 18th, 2006 at 6:24 pmHey Alexander Alt…..the Pentagon psyops /rove disinformation proram must not be paying you much ($ 5.15 per hr?) to disrupt this post with your drivel. People are way past your level of thinking bud. Get use to it. Maybe you could confuse folks 2 years ago…but we’ve been there done that. Now it’s time to clean up the country after the wild ride the right has taken us all on. Nope. No more. You my dear make absolutely no sense and more and more decent thinking people are catching on to the right wing disease. Move over.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:24 pmHey Uniter…GET YER LIES STRAIGHT!
August 18th, 2006 at 6:25 pms – what I wouldn’t give to be there at the moment of bush’s passing, to see the look on his spirit when he finds out the “rewards” his conduct in this life has earned him(it)
August 18th, 2006 at 6:26 pmAlexander Alt, go to a rightwing nutjob neocon website where your fallacious comments will be appreciated. Who paid you to come here with these rantings? Why you people bow down to Bush and his nonsense is beyond my understanding. If Bush says it’s so, then you get in lockstep with him without questioning. It makes you happy to keep people down? Are you a billionaire like Bush who has never had to work for and get by on minimum wage? Like Bush, you never knew a soul who had to work for minimum wage? Like Bush, you don’t care about people who aren’t billionaires? Come on, dude. Like Bush, that’s just plain mean spirited.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:26 pmHey – Juan, I found it! Do you want to sell tickets?
August 18th, 2006 at 6:27 pmHey Alexander Alt…..the Pentagon psyops /rove disinformation proram must not be paying you much…move over.
I am sorry – did I say something that challenged your perverted leftwing fantasies?
I don’t work for the Pentagon or the government. I own my own business here in Florida, where I have to pay employees and balance a budget and run a company. I live in the real world. You, on the other hand, appear to live in a fantasy world.
Grow up, for God’s sake.
[Oooh...I said "God." You must be pissed now.]
August 18th, 2006 at 6:28 pm#33 – seriously though, at what point have Liberals called for nationalising all industry and banning private enterprise?
August 18th, 2006 at 6:28 pm“what I wouldn’t give to be there at the moment of bush’s passing.”
Maybe you can be there when Clinton yanks his dick out of your ass.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:28 pmRetired Republican, why is it that conservatives almost always like to rely on anecdotal stories to make points? Anecdotes may be interesting, but they’re not that useful as fact. The facts are that when minimum wages go up, poverty-rates decline. Furthermore, the data on minimum wages show that increasing minimum wage in a given area helps the economy in that area. Why? It’s the Henry Ford principle: if people make more money, they buy things.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:29 pmAlexander Alt, go to a rightwing nutjob neocon website where your fallacious comments will be appreciated.
You don’t appreciate them?
How about I respond this “tough shit”?
You don’t have to “appreciate them.” You can challenge them, or, as I believe, mock them because you have no rational response other than “you are a rightwing nutjob.”
Typical leftwing nonsense when you have nothing else in that empty vessel you call your brain.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:30 pm#34 – BWAHAHAHAHAH!
August 18th, 2006 at 6:30 pmROFLMAO!!!!
Honey…..Alex. Sorry. I thought you worked at the Pentagon because they are so inept that I thought you fit right in.
As for your human development……it’s behind schedule.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:30 pmYou need to do an overhaul.
Incoming….The kool aid crew showed up for swing shift…….
August 18th, 2006 at 6:30 pmThere’s a feral pig rooting around on this thread. Don’t feed the feral pig and he’ll move on to another part of the forest.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:31 pm#43 – obvious projection, poor Fla business owner. Hey, y’all gonna vote for Katie?
August 18th, 2006 at 6:31 pmThe facts are that when minimum wages go up, poverty-rates decline.
All reports on this shows just the opposite – because the businesses hardest hit by an increase in the MW lay people off rather than pay them more.
Furthermore, the data on minimum wages show that increasing minimum wage in a given area helps the economy in that area.
It also increases unemployment, mostly among people who can least afford it: the working poor.
Why? It’s the Henry Ford principle: if people make more money, they buy things.
Not if they get laid off, will they “buy” things. They will go on welfare, and tax the system more than if there was no increase in the MW.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:32 pmHoney…..Alex. Sorry. I thought you worked at the Pentagon because they are so inept that I thought you fit right in.
Interesting.
So you must be a prostitute, because you fit right in, in a whorehouse.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:34 pmobvious projection, poor Fla business owner.
Let me know your name, so I can avoid hiring your skany welfare ass.
Thanks for the warning me about your line of work, streetwalker.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:34 pmAlexander Alt=Mr. Big
August 18th, 2006 at 6:35 pmAlexander Alt=Mr. Big
Thanks for the endorsement! My business competitition will be thrilled to hear that!
August 18th, 2006 at 6:36 pmMaybe you can be there when Clinton yanks his dick out of your ass.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 6:28 pm
Get your mind off of Clinton, who has not been president for 6 years. For God’s sake (oooh, I said “God” hope that doesn’t piss you off!). The loser in charge now is your fearless leader Bush. No one is going to take you seriously when you post comments like “yanking dicks out of asses.” And you say you’re a business owner? Watch your mouth around your employees or they’ll get you for sexual harassment with that mouth of yours.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:37 pmNonsense, they don’t want anybody to f*ck off. Don’t you know that “abstinence only†is the wave of the future?
Comment by JMiller — August 18, 2006 @ 5:59 pm
Unless your a repug pervert or hypocrit cheating on wifey #1 with future wifey #2
August 18th, 2006 at 6:38 pmWhat’s the name of your business so I can report you to the INS for hiring all those illegal immigrants.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:38 pmhee hee. Guess we did our job with Alt. Got to him.
Move on, nothing to see here.
I look forward to the day when reason returns to our great country. When fear and greed aren’t the driving principles of this nation. Every man for himself….brute force etc…just don’t work in creating anything really good. It’s all so ugly. Alty Salty refuses to think deeply…he’s too busy making money and feeling like powerful white guy Americun……….
Luckily life is always changing. We’re moving, finally, in the right direction.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:38 pmOkay, moderator, here we go again with these freaks who come here to call people whores, scrawny welfare ass, yanking dicks out of asses, etc. This is inappropriate and this poster (Alexander Alt), whoever or whatever it is, does not belong here.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:39 pmSorry, but American Idle President couldn’t give a flying fuck about those who make just minimum wage; they don’t vote Republican anyway.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:40 pmWhat’s the name of your business so I can report you to the INS for hiring all those illegal immigrants.
And here I thought they were not illegals to you on the Left.
I don’t have any illegals working for me. I have Hispanics, blacks, and others. But I check their status.
Oh, I forget – the Left thinks there should be no borders. You must be a racist.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:41 pmI agree Gay Bear—but it ( the vileness of Alt types) does work if we let it… doesn’t it. It disrupts any truly logical discussion,. That’s what the Bush boys want…a divided…scarping america. So we keep each other busy as they reach deeper and deeper into the collective till and America’s very soul
August 18th, 2006 at 6:41 pmIn case the feral swine show up again, here’s a good site for hard stats on minimum wage and it’s impact.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:42 pmhttp://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_viewpoints_raising_minimum_wage_2004
This is inappropriate and this poster (Alexander Alt), whoever or whatever it is, does not belong here.
Translation: Damn, someone else comes to challenge our leftwing delusions! How must we deal with this person?
BAN THEM! This way, we can go back to our comfortable, back-slapping leftwing way of thinking!
Ban all who do not agree with our twisted liberal thinking! Yeah! That’s the ticket!
August 18th, 2006 at 6:42 pmCome on Al, here’s some free advertising! What’s the name of your business, and are you voting for Katie?
August 18th, 2006 at 6:43 pmIt disrupts any truly logical discussion…
And it could make you have to defend your twisted ideas.
That could cause you some major embarrassment.
Yikes.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:43 pmNot all Alt….not ban ALL
Just you
August 18th, 2006 at 6:44 pmCome on Al, here’s some free advertising!
Yeah, free advertising.
I need your business like I need a Democrat in the White House.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:44 pmNot all Alt….not ban ALL. Just you.
But no one else is here to challenge your twisted thinking.
So to ban me is to ban those who confront your illogical posts and make you defend them.
You want that. Of course you do.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:46 pmWhat makes you think I’d patronize your business?
August 18th, 2006 at 6:46 pmI’d just like to sic the INS on your ass. Just like warrantless wiretapping. If you haven’t done anything wrong, why would you be afraid?
What makes you think I’d patronize your business?
I wouldn’t.
I would hope you would stay far, far away from me and my family. You and your twisted and perverted ideas are a danger to the entire country.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:49 pmThe country is poorer and in dangerous debt
The world hates us
The president is a drunk and an idiot
The Vice president shoots people in the face
Global warming is not a concern for these thugs in power
Bush lied us into War
Bush lost the war
Bush is not keeping us safe….less safe.
Americans are fighting each other ( good job “uniter )
Yawn…..
August 18th, 2006 at 6:49 pmshould I go on with my twisted ideas Alt?
I think if you wake up sweetie and look at this country, you might start to get it. might
The INS isn’t coming after your family, just your business. So what’s the problem here?
August 18th, 2006 at 6:51 pmYou come onto this site and start slinging sh*t, then when someone calls you on it, you whine like a female dog.
Interesting poll in Connecticut showing that Lieberman is beating the pants off of “Creepy Ned” Lamont, the al-Qaeda/Hamas/Hezbollah candidate who answers “I am against the Iraq war” to every question:
Reporter: Mr Lamont, what is your ideas on tax reform?
Lamont: I am against the Iraq war.
Reporter: What about health insurance?
Lamont: I am against the Iraq war.
Reporter: We understand that. How about the Israel-Hezbollah conflict?
Lamont: I am against the Iraq war. But I am for Hezbollah’s right to defend themselves. I think. But I am against the Iraq war.
Reporter: Thank you.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:51 pmThe INS isn’t coming after your family, just your business. So what’s the problem here?
Well, considering that I employ no illegal aliens, I have no problem.
However, since you and your ilk do not like to “label” people, and that to you there are no such people as “illegals,” you must be a racist for bringing the subject up.
Racist! You are a racist! Probably a bigot and a homophobe as well!
August 18th, 2006 at 6:53 pmYes, the Republican “stategy” has been ( has been cause it ain’t workin anymore) to accuse their opponent ( anyone who is not exactly like them) of the very thing they are guilty of. Alt has not put forward any logical arguments and says we are illogical. So nice that people are now getting this.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:53 pmYes, the Republican “stategyâ€
is to try and teach people like you to spell correctly.
Maybe we should make education mandatory for liberals.
It could work.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:54 pmLiberals want to raise taxes which would destroy this nation’s economy. They want to take money away from people because they think they earn too much.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:55 pmOoh I pity Alt when the Dems come into power. He’s NOT going to be a happy puppy. I don’t know what he’ll do……
August 18th, 2006 at 6:55 pmDarn! Where did all the liberals go?
Did I make them leave?
Shoot. You make a liberal defend their ideas, and they flee the room.
I would flee the room too if I had to defend leftwing nonsense.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:56 pmAlexander Alternate reality….good repug spin is soo 2004 …try and keep up son the American people ain’t buying that OLD BULLSH*T any more…..
August 18th, 2006 at 6:56 pmWell then, please tell us racist labelers the name of your company.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:56 pm#74 -
The lastest polling gives Ned Lamont a 26% approval rating in CT. That’s pretty good, for a liberal.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:56 pmOoh I pity Alt when the Dems come into power.
I have seen Dems in power, and I have seen Republicans in power.
All either party can do is fix the edges of the policy. They can’t change the game.
And the game is capitalism.
If the Dems ever really try to destroy capitalism, they will be thrown completely out of power.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:57 pmOoh I pity Alt when the Dems come into power.
What century is that going to be? You guys pretty much ruined hopes of that with 8 years of that horndog Billy Boy Clinton.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:58 pmtry and keep up son the American people ain’t buying that OLD BULLSH*T any more….
You are not think as you drunk you are.
Go take your meds and lay down, bubbeleh. You need a good 2 days to sober up.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:58 pmActually, Alt is a dishwasher at Denny’s. Otherwise he’d tell us the name of his company.
August 18th, 2006 at 6:59 pm#51 “All reports on this shows just the opposite”
Please give an example. Shouldn’t be hard to find since it is “all” reports, afterall.
I’ve read many analyses that show an uptick in the economy with increases in the minimum wage (in many countries, not just U.S.).
August 18th, 2006 at 6:59 pmIf the Dems ever really try to destroy capitalism
Havne’t they already? Kerry wanted to raise taxes to pay for all of his welfare programs.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:00 pmActually, Alt is a dishwasher at Denny’s.
Actually, he probably isn’t because that would make him a liberal Democrat.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:00 pmActually, Alt is a dishwasher at Denny’s.
Once again, you denigrate a group of people – now it is dishwashers.
What next? Do you hate blacks? Gays? People who mow lawns at golf courses?
You are nothing but a racist homophobe hater of working people!
Down with your kind! Hater!
August 18th, 2006 at 7:01 pmAlexander Alt
I still don’t understand how Democrats are trying to destroy capitalism. Can you explain please?
Thanks
August 18th, 2006 at 7:01 pm#51 – see #63
August 18th, 2006 at 7:02 pmKerry wanted to raise taxes to pay for all of his welfare programs.
Kerry’s wife could pay for welfare in this country just from selling one or two of her mansions.
Maybe Johnny Boy can sell his faked military decorations on eBay to pay for his next failing campaign for President.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:02 pmha ha ha. Good RUCerious. He ( Alt :) is a good speller who had emotional problems so had to settle for Denny’s. I gave him a list of ideas back a ways and of course, he didn’t address one. He’s a fake…full of hot air. Don’t let the door get cha on the way out……Alt.
Gore/Feingold 08
August 18th, 2006 at 7:02 pmAu contraire, my first job was a dishwasher, a fine profession.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:03 pmWhat’s the name of your company?
Noi alternate boy just LYING repug operatives who continue to defend a stupid drunk war criminal…sort of like the volkstrum in germany in 45
August 18th, 2006 at 7:03 pmPoor alt. More projection. I love everyone. How’s the weather in FL?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:03 pmHe’s a fake…full of hot air. Don’t let the door get cha on the way out
Sounds like any Democrat who has ever run for Presdient.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:04 pmI still don’t understand how Democrats are trying to destroy capitalism. Can you explain please?
Oh, they could continue to raise taxes on people who work, on businesses, on the income of retirees, on everyone but their poorest constituents.
As we have seen with the deficit going down with tax cuts, the more you raise taxes on a national basis, the higher the deficit goes without offsetting cuts in spending, and the more the taxes impact economy growth.
That’s called Economics 101.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:04 pmI still don’t understand how Democrats are trying to destroy capitalism. Can you explain please?
Soaking everybody, everthing with higher taxes. If it moves, Dems want to tax it. They even want to tax you when you die.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:05 pmMaybe Johnny Boy can sell his faked military decorations on eBay to pay for his next failing campaign for President.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:02 pm
So the department of the NAVY under Richard Nixon is selling “fake” medals son?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:05 pmNoi alternate boy just LYING repug operatives who continue to defend a stupid drunk war criminal
Uh, Clif, you sound like that the 10 drink limit at the corner pub was allowed to be doubled by you.
Either that, or man are you one dumb a$$hole.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:05 pmAlt, oh yeah, by the way, what’s the name of your company?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:05 pm“Well, considering that I employ no illegal aliens, I have no problem.”
stupid drunk war criminal
John Murtha?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:06 pmSo the department of the NAVY under Richard Nixon is selling “fake†medals son?
Sorry, Cliffy Boy, but you need to get updated from events from 3 years ago.
Johnny Boy threw his original decorations away, but somehow has them in his Senate office. Now either he threw fakes away, or he has fakes now.
Understand this concept?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:06 pmAlt…get some help Really.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:07 pmSo the department of the NAVY under Richard Nixon is selling “fake†medals son?
Kerry faked all his. He got shot in the ass and got a medal.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:07 pm#100. I think you mean Voodoo Economics 101.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:08 pmAlt, you really need a clue.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:08 pmMedal replacements are available on request from the office of military records in St Louis.
Try again, and by the way, what’s the name of your company?
No son just a vet who hates lying chicken hawks who attack people who went…Kerry spent 16 months in Vietnam…and defend those who didn’t…Bush flew planse defending the Gulf of Mexico from the VC…when he
August 18th, 2006 at 7:09 pmKerry faked all his. He got shot in the ass and got a medal.
Actually, some of the guys her served with in Vietnam, when he wasn’t running guns to Cambodia when he wasn’t running guns to Cambodia, said that they believed that Kerry’s wound was self-inflicted.
The dumb bastard couldn’t even shoot himself correctly. He should have aimed right between his eyes.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:09 pmOh, by the way, Steve and Al, this is a thread about minimum wage.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:09 pmbut, but Clinton, but, but Kerry.
Oh, and Al, what’s your company’s name?
No son just a vet who hates lying chicken hawks who attack people who went.
My God! So, you voted for Bob Dole in 1996? When he was running against Chickenhawk Bill Clinton?
That’s incredible!
August 18th, 2006 at 7:10 pmlying chicken hawks
You must be talking about the Breck Girl, John Edwards.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:10 pmbut, but Clinton, but, but Kerry.
Lots of “buts” there, buddy.
You may have a tushy fetish.
Get some help for it, and don’t share it with the rest of us.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:10 pmRepublicans all use DARVO: Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim & Offender – when they are cornered. We got that game down pat now. You can see it in full flagrantia here on this blog, can’t you? Sad, indeed.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:10 pmMedal replacements are available on request from the office of military records in St Louis.
Except Kerry got his on ebay.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:11 pmKerry faked all his. He got shot in the ass and got a medal.
Comment by Esteban Calderone
son you do not ‘fake’ paper work that takes you commanders signarture…and his comanders endorcement..and a general officers signature and each level of commander fact checking. Sorry but those of us who served…especially those of us WHJO were a company commander in combat ..know a bit about the process…but GUTLESS repug chicken hawks knbwo NOTHING about what really happens in the military or combat
August 18th, 2006 at 7:12 pmwhat’s your company’s name
Kicking Liberal Ass, Inc.?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:12 pmRepublicans all use DARVO
It beats Democrats who use VIAGRA and CRACK.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:12 pmAl, how’s the weather in Seminole?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:13 pmson you do not ‘fake’ paper work that takes you commanders signarture…
Some say Kerry signed that form himself. I wouldn’t doubt it. He wanted to get his Ivy League ass out of Vietnam.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:14 pmClinton didn’t support the war.
Do you mean to tell me that when Clinton put himself in the draft and then went to England to protest the war he did not initially support the war?
And that he did not somehow support sending American boys to fight in the middle of a civil war in Bosnia and Kosovo?
That is amazing.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:14 pmEstaban knows so much about ebay medals, hmmm…
August 18th, 2006 at 7:14 pmOkay. That’s enough. The “Kerry got his [medals] on ebay” comment just broke the camel’s back. It’s almost like these rightys are mad that any policy is being discussed or debated.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:14 pmAlexander Alt
Thanks for coming back to me. I was just looking for input so was there any need for the sarcy “Economics 101″ comment? I was trying to keep it civil.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:14 pma chickenhawk is someone who supports war but doesn’t go.
John Edwards, Evan Byah, Joe Biden.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:14 pmAl, how’s the weather in Seminole?
Hot, rainy, and always like a wet blanket.
Come vacation in Florida. We could use your money, and besides we offer to visitors the chads from when Al Gore tried to steal the 2000 election.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:15 pmDARVO – AlexanderAlt…you’re the classic example now for everyone on the blog to see. Bringing Clinton into the discussion is ridiculous….stay on topic and get your head out of past history, please.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:15 pm#124-
You are a dumbass chicken hawk.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:16 pmSome say Kerry signed that form himself.
Comment by Esteban Calderone — August 18, 2006 @ 7:14 pm
Now, this is beyond silly…
Is there a point in engaging Mr. Calderone?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:16 pmI was just looking for input so was there any need for the sarcy “Economics 101″ comment? I was trying to keep it civil.
Sorry about that.
I would be happy to have a civil conversation with anyone who wants to truly discuss MW policy, without having that “rightwing thug” crap thrown in my face.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:16 pmTaTa, gotta run, and Al, good luck on that feral pig thing!
August 18th, 2006 at 7:16 pmAlexanderAlt knows all about corruption since he lives in Florida – say Katherine Harris and stolen election slowly.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:17 pmDole did commercials for Viagra, dumbass, and the last time I checked, he’s a republican.
Dole is in his 80’s, you sick freak. Clinton was in the white house popping Viagra looking for interns. He’s a horny bastard.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:17 pmBringing Clinton into the discussion is ridiculous.
Not at all.
Clinton was President during the time from 1996 until he left office in January 2001 to use his influence to push for increased MW legislation.
How many times did he do it? Let me know if you can find out.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:17 pmIt beats Democrats who use VIAGRA and CRACK.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:12 pm
no son that would be the limpman himself…
August 18th, 2006 at 7:18 pmAlexander is posting the points predicted from the beginning of the thread. Does he read the posts?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:18 pmEsteban, how many of your former comrades would stand up and say you saved their lives, dumbass?
More than would for draft dodging Bill Clinton.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:19 pmNo worries Alexander. Love to discuss but it’s half midnight in the UK and I need some sleep. I think it’s fair to say we’re going to disagree on economic policy but each to their own. Thanks for responding.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:19 pmAlexanderAlt knows all about corruption since he lives in Florida – say Katherine Harris and stolen election slowly.
Nah. Harris certified the election after THREE recounts.
Blame Al Gore…oops, and Joe Lieberman!…for asking for recounts in three counties CONTROLLED BY LEFTWING DEMOCRATS. I should know – I live in one of them,
They tried to get 3 election boards to increase vote totals that didn’t exist.
That’s called theft. And the USSC prohibited it.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:19 pmWhat Clinton did with his sex life is of no interest to me; what this administration has done to destroy this country is of tremendous importance to me – ‘nuf said?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:20 pmSome say Kerry signed that form himself. I wouldn’t doubt it. He wanted to get his Ivy League ass out of Vietnam.
Comment by Esteban Calderone — August 18, 2006 @ 7:14 pm
Shows Just how desperate you FOOPLES are now, because nobody including the officers who did sign the awards claimed that in 2004….must suck to be a repug seeing 1994 repeat itself…but the dems are coming this time…and you clowns are POWERLESS to stop it
August 18th, 2006 at 7:20 pmNo worries Alexander. Love to discuss but it’s half midnight in the UK and I need some sleep.
Good to hear from you.
I was in London on 7/7 last year headed to Heathrow. I was on the bus that was blown up 30 minutes before it happened.
I missed getting killed by a half hour.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:20 pmhow many American boys died in Kosovo?
Not sure. But a lot of civilians did. Clinton is a war criminal.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:20 pmYou need to go to blackboxvoting.org or bradblog.com to see what really happened both in Florida AND Ohio if you want the unvarnished truth. Don’t believe a thing AlexanderAlterEgo says.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:21 pmbut the dems are coming this time…and you clowns are POWERLESS to stop it
The Dems are coming to raise everybody’s taxes.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:23 pmYou need to go to blackboxvoting.org or bradblog.com to see what really happened both in Florida AND Ohio if you want the unvarnished truth.
No, you need to see the various investigations done by newspapers after the 2000 election – all concluded that Gore lost the election fairly. Hell, even the Dems in the US Senate never challenged the election, including Hillary Clinton.
And as for Ohio in 2004, John Kerry has never said there was fraud. At least I don’t think he has – if you have a link to a story, let me see it.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:23 pmThis blog is crawling with trolls – time for non-DARVO’s to go to alternate, intellectual blogs.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:23 pmEsteban, you seem to have an inordinante interest in Clinton’s cock. Just who is the “sick freak†here?
You sound like a homo by mentioning Clinton’s private.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:23 pmAlexander…shovel the drivel elsewhere. We don’t buy it here!
August 18th, 2006 at 7:24 pmAAAHHHHH, the sky will fall if minimum wage increases, it will destroy the economy, its Clinton’s fault, AHHHHHHH……..
August 18th, 2006 at 7:24 pmWhat Clinton did with his sex life is of no interest to me
Except when it comes to defending his lying. Then Dems bring up his sex life. He was only lying about sex they say.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:25 pmClinton was fulfilling his NATO treaty obligations. Not fulfilling your treaty obligations is a crime. Treaties lawfully signed are U.S. law, dumbass.
Nothing in the NATO treaty says that the US had to send troops to Kosovo and/or Bosnia.
Neither were signatories to the NATO treaty.
And Kosovo was a “civil war.” How come the Left supported Clinton sending troops there, especially when the UN never sanctioned the sending of forces?
Answer me that one.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:25 pmThis blog is crawling with trolls
For Truth, Bluedog49, Cliff…
August 18th, 2006 at 7:25 pmAll the trolls do is change the subject because they have nothing positive to add that their party has done in 6 years! What a joke!
August 18th, 2006 at 7:25 pmThis blog is crawling with trolls.
Well, then, Marie, maybe your next customer is here for his massage.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:26 pmMaybe, these boys are afraid to raise the Min Wage because they know the economy is really being presented by David Copperfield’s magic. And maybe the economy really can’t take a raise in Min Wage, being much more fragile than our boys in office would want people to know about. But hey, they can always blame the Democrats if a min wage raise ends up breaking the last economic straw.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:26 pmNo son the Democrats are coming to end the Borrow and spent of the repugs who have almost bankrupted the country.
Bush ET AT have borrowed enough money frtom the chinese that our interest payments on the debt we owe them almost pays their DEFENSE budget….I’m sure the chinese citizens appreciate the fact that the american citizens are paying their defense budget.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:27 pm129,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed. Is Bush a war criminal?
No, but John Kerry and Bill Clinton are.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:27 pmClinton is a war criminal.
I disagree. I supported Clinton on sending forces there.
Plenty on the Left did as well, in worse conditions and without UN approval.
But when a Democrat did it, it was fine with them.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:27 pmAlexander, do you utilize Asian “massages” and other professional services, you seem to easily think of that.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:28 pmyou have an inordinate interest in clinton’s cock.
No, but you and Monica do.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:28 pmcan’t take the heat here can you, Alexander TheGreat?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:28 pmNATO asked the U.S. for help in stopping the genocide of Muslim citizens in that part of europe. What part of that don’t you understand?
The NATO treaty involves the signatories only. For Europe to “ask” us to get involved in a war not involving any of the signatories, when they were too timid or too dumb to send help themselves, shows how weak Europe is.
We see it now, that France and Italy and Germany are too lazy to send forces to Lebanon.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:29 pmDARVO: deny, attack, reverse victim & offender – the Republican Mantra
August 18th, 2006 at 7:29 pmHow come the Left supported Clinton sending troops there, especially when the UN never sanctioned the sending of forces?
Answer me that one.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:25 pm
The left???? Sorry, but there is no left in the US.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:30 pmNo son the Democrats are coming to end the Borrow and spent of the repugs who have almost bankrupted the country.
The Democrats are coming to bring back the 75% marginal rate under Jimmy Carter. They are going to hit you hard in new taxes, son.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:30 pmcan’t take the heat here can you, Alexander TheGreat?
Well, no one has ever called me that before, missy. I am honored.
However, I have been here all along, taking “the heat.”
Dish out legitimate heat. Argue a point. Let me argue the opposite point.
That’s called debate. Its the way we do things in America.
Or is everyone afraid to debate? Is it easier to dismiss someone you do not agree with as “a troll”?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:30 pmshows how weak Europe is.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:29 pm
You mean the Euro against the dollar?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:31 pmThe left???? Sorry, but there is no left in the US.
Uh, okay.
Can you explain that one for me?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:31 pmNo, but you and Monica do.
Comment by Esteban Calderone — August 18, 2006 @ 7:28 pm
Great post. Keep it up.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:32 pmIf you don’t feed a feral pig, he will move on to another part of the forest.
So then move on and quit whining for slop.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:32 pmNeither were signatories to the NATO treaty.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:25 pm
If you are saying the US is not a member of NATO, you are very wrong. The United States has been a member of NATO since its creation in the 40s:
These talks resulted in the North Atlantic Treaty, which was signed in Washington, DC on 4 April 1949. It included the five Treaty of Brussels states, United States, Canada, Portugal, Italy, Norway, Denmark and Iceland.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:32 pmNATO
You mean the Euro against the dollar?
No – utilizing the militaries of the once great nations of Europe.
They couldn’t stop the slaughter in Bosnia and Kosovo, and they said they would send forces to Lebanon to enforce the cease-fire and are now backing down like the weaklings that they are.
Including Jacques Chirac, that criminal.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:32 pmCan you explain that one for me?
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:31 pm
What do you mean in your post as the left? You mean Dems? Not in a lifetime. Probably moderates, but left…come on, you have to go to Europe…and no, it is not the Labor Party.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:33 pmI like French toast, French fries, French kissing, and French cut greenbeans.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:34 pmIf you are saying the US is not a member of NATO, you are very wrong.
Who said that?
I said that Bosnia and Kosovo were not signatories.
The NATO treaty only specified that NATO countries would come to each other’s aid.
We did not have NATO obligations to go into Bosnia or Kosovo.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:34 pmutilizing the militaries of the once great nations of Europe
August 18th, 2006 at 7:34 pmYou mean when they plundered and divided Africa? Yeah, great nations.
What do you mean in your post as the left? You mean Dems? Not in a lifetime. Probably moderates, but left…
Are you saying to me that the likes of CodePink, or ANSWER, or the ACLU, are not “left wing”?
My God, don’t tell me that those are not left wing groups. Do not say that.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:35 pmSo, the prudent thing to do is to ignore you.
Comment by Bluedog49 — August 18, 2006 @ 7:33 pm
Give him a chance. He probably lighten up a little. He seems pretty uptight.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:35 pmI like French toast, French fries, French kissing, and French cut greenbeans.
The bread is good, but their pate and foie gras sucks. As does their cheeses.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:36 pmNATO asked the U.S. for help in stopping the genocide of Muslim citizens in that part of europe.
Saddam killed more of his own people. But libs are against removing Saddam from power.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:36 pmAnd the sky dive to trillions of debt started with Reagan which we have not even come clkose to paying off…and Bill Clinton was the only President to even make a real attempt to control the deficet, bush just uses the knowledge that allowed him th bankrupt three companies to bankrupt the federal government pushing it SO far in debt that it has no descresionary funds left…and the rich can sit back and collect interest on money they :loaned” to the government instead of paying it in taxes
August 18th, 2006 at 7:36 pmSay ,all but the trolls. Your waisting your timre on these two kool aid drinkers. Their children playing with their dad’s computers or MA…They think an 11 trillion dollar borrowed and spent debt is a good thing and they are throwing stupid shit at Dem’s….Their ideas are beyond ignorant, blaming and name calling dem. representatives for viagra and crack, bla. bla. Bull shit..The truth is our white house is occupied by a drunken crack whore that has sold his country and people out to the highest Hallaburton bidder…….Ignore these fakers and dump them, not worth our time………Blessings
August 18th, 2006 at 7:37 pmMy God, don’t tell me that those are not left wing groups. Do not say that.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:35 pm
I wont. There is no left in the US, except from some unheard voices: Chomsky, for example. He is more an anarchist, in my opinion.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:37 pmGive him a chance. He probably lighten up a little. He seems pretty uptight.
Not uptight at all. I desire some debate.
Maybe you can see that if you intelligently argue your points, you get an intelligent response from the other side. But when you call names and use “Bushboy” and other baloney, you get the same thing in return.
I told this to plenty of my friends who use every name in the book for Clinton. I told them it was self-defeating. Nixon once said that if you hate, you come back to hating yourself. He was right, at least about that.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:37 pmThey DID stop the slaughter, dumbass. That’s what happened. Do you think we forgot already?
Once more, the name calling.
The slaughter went on for years, sir. As it is happening in Darfur and the Sudan right now.
Nothing was done then, and nothing is done now. You may want to hate Bush, but he has tried to get the UN – and Kofi Annan – to end the slaughter in Darfur, and none of those grand European nations wish to get off their fannies.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:39 pmThe bread is good, but their pate and foie gras sucks. As does their cheeses.
I’ll never buy another French wine again. Napa valley or Austrialian is what I buy now.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:39 pmI told this to plenty of my friends who use every name in the book for Clinton.
Ok, buddy. Forget about Dems and Reps, good and bad, and those things. I dont support either of them.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:39 pmThey DID stop the slaughter, dumbass.
Reverse ethnic cleasing is happening now.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:40 pmWould that be the “swedish” or the “swiss miss” type of massage? Ask Cheney’s mistress (Pam Willeford) who was there at the shooting incident. Maybe she can help you out when it comes to massages.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:40 pmI’ll never buy another French wine again. Napa valley or Austrialian is what I buy now.
I have friends in England who tell me, “I hate the Frogs more than the Krauts.”
Now THAT is funny, considering the Blitz happened 60+ years ago and the French invasions happened hundreds of years ago.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:41 pmand Bill Clinton was the only President to even make a real attempt to control the deficet
Thanks to the Republican congress and Newt Gingrich.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:41 pmThe slaughter went on for years, sir. As it is happening in Darfur and the Sudan right now.
with US allowance, I must say. Milosevic was an IMF boy on the verge of being thrown of by a worker revolution. Then, they began dividing the country and throwing bombs to crush everything. Slodoban included.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:41 pmThey think an 11 trillion dollar borrowed and spent debt is a good thing
Democrats would try to make that up by taxing the shit out of everybody.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:42 pmOk, buddy. Forget about Dems and Reps, good and bad, and those things. I dont support either of them.
I detest plenty of them from both sides. I think McCain and Hagel are sellouts.
I like Guiliani, but he is too moderate for the Republican Party and has no chance to get the GOP nomination. But I like him.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:42 pmBluedog69. Please, dont fall for this one.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:43 pmNo son Clinton started working to balance the budget before 1994.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:43 pmI said that Bosnia and Kosovo were not signatories.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:34 pm
Then I misunderstood your post. It wasn’t clear to me what you meant.
The NATO treaty only specified that NATO countries would come to each other’s aid.
That is true. And NATO claimed that the conflict in Kosovo threatened the security of some of its country members, mainly those bordering the former Yugoslavia.
We did not have NATO obligations to go into Bosnia or Kosovo.
The actions were undertaken after a NATO vote. As a member of NATO, the US had an obligation to fulfill.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:43 pmBut I like him.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:42 pm
You mean that thug? OK. NOw, I am beginning to understand your likes.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:44 pmwith US allowance, I must say. Milosevic was an IMF boy on the verge of being thrown of by a worker revolution. Then, they began dividing the country and throwing bombs to crush everything. Slodoban included.
I don’t think us being unable to get involved unilaterally was with “our allowance.” Clinton tried to stop it, but the nations in Europe – the true countries who should have been involved – did nothing. They stood by and bitched.
Milosevic, if you should know, was a leftist and nationalist dictator who used ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo.
However, do remember that Clinton went into Kosovo in the midst of a civil war without major public support in the US. And the UN did not sanction the sending of troops.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:44 pmMilosevic, if you should know, was a leftist and nationalist dictator who used ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo.
Yeah, also Stalin was in the Communist Party. He knew shit about communism, though.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:46 pmanybody else getting flagged for spam?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:46 pmThe actions were undertaken after a NATO vote. As a member of NATO, the US had an obligation to fulfill.
I do not agree. I do not think Clinton sent in forces based on NATO, but I may be wrong.
I do think that NATO specifically says that only signatories can come to each other’s aid and assistance, as NATO did after 9/11.
I do not think they can ask for aid for a non-NATO country, but if you have the relevant portion of the treaty I would like to see it.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:46 pmYou mean that thug? OK. NOw, I am beginning to understand your likes.
Wait – do you think that Guiliani is a “thug”?
You have to be kidding. After what happened on 9/11?
A thug? My God.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:47 pmI think everyone is missing the point here. I suspect that the sole reason for this obvious photo-op was to cover for the on-going collapse of the US real estate market. It won’t be long now before a whole bunch of home owners are gonna be sporting negative equities. That will quickly domino out into a global economic collapse since the only things driving the global economy are the excess private consumption in the US and the fees for unsecured financial derivatives.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:47 pmYeah, also Stalin was in the Communist Party. He knew shit about communism, though.
If you think Stalin was not a Communist who turned his once-rich country into a massive graveyard, you are deluding yourself.
Stalin, Mao, Castro, Ho Chi Minh – all Communists or Socialists who turned their countries into prisons and graveyards.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:48 pmWhy is this about Clinton when it should clearly be about Bush? Some people need to live in the past I guess.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:48 pmIf you don’t believe me, check out just yesterday on TruthOut. I’m getting visions of Slim Pickens riding the nuke – weeee-haaaah!!!
August 18th, 2006 at 7:49 pmOh I’ve enjoyed reading coming back from my break. Alt is definately losing ground. And more and more I see the fake erection thing in between the lines of his writing…viagra Republican porn addicted, hates women and is mad as hell……just doesn’t know what at. But thinks he’s an upstanding guy….The money isn’t doing it….the viagra isn’t doing it…….so why not rant on a left blog about wanting to have a reasonable debate when you really really could care less….? HMMMMM. Alt ..you are transparent. And I repeat, the right wing’s fun and games time is coming to an end and you sense it. Otherwise you would be so unhinged. You are a capitalist bar none…no matter what the cost to anyone. But……You can’t defend the indefensible alternate Reality babe…..can’t be done. Unfortunately I have to leave again. I know Alt would suggest I have a John to service………his social skills are so charming..but who cares? Smile and move on. And make sure his type is out of power as soon as possible. We are going to make it happen.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:49 pmI do not think they can ask for aid for a non-NATO country, but if you have the relevant portion of the treaty I would like to see it.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:46 pm
You are reading me wrong: The NATO members did not ask help for Bosnia or Kosovo but for themselves, claiming the Balkan conflict was a threat to the security of the NATO country members bordering the former Yugoslavia.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:49 pmthe on-going collapse of the US real estate market.
The housing market does suck. I blame Greenspan. I think he went overboard in a zeal to deal with inflation which in my mind is minimal at best.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:49 pmStalin, Hitler, Mao, Bush – you know all about the dictators.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:49 pmAnd the UN did not sanction the sending of troops.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:44 pm
First, UN is very mild about US foreign policy, we all know this. US has vetoed every resolution against it. Second, there was a civil war there, of course. US has a nice way to stop civil wars. (or starting them)
NATO convoy massacre a scene of horrors
by John Bosnitch, April 16, 1999
(Includes a MediaWatch supplement)
Scores of ethnic-Albanian Yugoslavs were killed by attacking NATO aircraft along a road in southwestern Kosovo on Wednesday, April 14. In a series of attacks, jets fired high explosives on a column of thousands of ethnic Albanians traveling in a convoy of buses, cars and tractors between Djakovica and Prizren.
Citing a figure of 72 dead, Yugoslav media accused NATO of deliberately committing the largest massacre in the three years since separatist Albanian guerrillas made their first attack on Serb civilians. NATO authorities initially denied responsibility and U.S. President Bill Clinton dismissed the killings as “regrettable, but inevitable.” NATO said that any dead were “collateral damage” from a legitimate attack on a military convoy. IMCnews has prepared a detailed report on the massacre.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:50 pmNATO’s version of events changed several times before its “final” findings were released on April 19. But journalists who visited the scene after the attack obtained testimonies and physical evidence of a series of attacks by what NATO finally admitted were several aircraft.
ahhh-haaa – the trouble seems to be the link
link was http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/081706L.shtml
August 18th, 2006 at 7:51 pmThe NATO members did not ask help for Bosnia or Kosovo but for themselves, claiming the Balkan conflict was a threat to the security of the NATO country members bordering the former Yugoslavia.
Is that true? I never heard that before.
If it is, that is quite interesting.
However, I did support Clinton’s sending troops there. But, do understand something: Kosovo was a civil war when we got there. And we sent in forces without the support of the UN.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:51 pmA thug? My God.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:47 pm
Exactly, buddy. My god.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:51 pmAlexander’s totally lost it. What rambling? In reading your post soliciting serious debate, why don’t you begin by saying something significant and substantial yourself? I guess the Repugs threw you out of their blog-land and you’ve landed here. Time to either ignore this troll and move on.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:53 pmStalin, Mao, Castro, Ho Chi Minh – all Communists or Socialists who turned their countries into prisons and graveyards.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:48 pm
First, 2 Ok. Ho Chi MInh????? Have you read some history?
August 18th, 2006 at 7:53 pmCastro. He has killed no more than Texas. I would like to see US with a 45 year embargo.
Have to go. Play nice. Peace.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:53 pmSecond, there was a civil war there…
As I have been saying.
But we had plenty of screw-ups there. Remember bombing the Chinese Embassy? Or the train load of Serbian civilians? Or the tv stations in Serbia?
Plenty goes wrong in a war. Roosevelt sent thousands of men to their deaths based on fault intelligence, as in the Battle of the Bulge. But we do not blame the war leaders for every screw-up in battle.
Someone said it long ago, and it remains true today: There are 2 rules to war: young men will die, and no once can change rule no. 1 once the war starts.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:53 pmAll serious bloggers need to go mute and let Alexander stew in his own juices – NOW!
August 18th, 2006 at 7:54 pmThen let the baby cry foul.
First, 2 Ok. Ho Chi MInh????? Have you read some history?
Castro. He has killed no more than Texas.
Tell me – do you think that Ho did not send thousands to their deaths after Saigon collapsed in April 1975? Thousands fled his torture and re-education camps. I won’t even mention what happened when the Khmer Rouge took over in Cambodia.
As for Castro, he is a thug of the worst sort. If you have a country where people will get on rafts to sail across shark-infested waters just to escape that hell-hole, that is not a good place.
August 18th, 2006 at 7:56 pmIs that true? I never heard that before.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:51 pm
Well, it was in the news… here is the entry in the wikipedia:
NATO itself justified the actions in Kosovo under its Article 4, which states:
“The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened. “
Legitimacy of NATO bombing of Yugoslavia
However, I did support Clinton’s sending troops there.[...]And we sent in forces without the support of the UN.
Also from the entry in the wikipedia:
Additionally, as NATO is a supranational organization itself (and not a member state of the United Nations), NATO itself is not subject to limitations which would apply to members of the UN.
Legalistic, to be sure. But there you have a) the rationale behind the NATO involvement and b) the reason why UN support wasn’t needed.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:00 pmClinton lost no American soldiers in combat in Kosovo and Bosnia.
Agreed. But do not forget that that was entirely an air war – no ground troops were sent in.
Clinton realized that the unpopularity of sending troops (remember the Ohio debate with Madeleine Albright and Sandy Berger?) into a ground war would have meant his head. So he sent mostly air forces.
He was lucky he didn’t need ground troops. Most Presidents who send in troops do not have that luxury.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:00 pmInteresting.
However, the UN resolutions behind the Iraq War also allowed for action if the prior resolutions were not followed. Saddam did not follow them.
So, UN action was needed in this case but the UN – the French and their allies – did not want to back up words of force with actual force. It appears the French are doing it again with respect to Lebanon.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:02 pmClinton lost no American soldiers in combat in Kosovo and Bosnia.
But he killed a helluva lot civilians. How many Serb and Albanian civialians have no arms, nor legs or are maimed for life because of Billy Bob Clinton?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:03 pmAlternet is has only a few aims. Being right at all costs. Control the discussion and lead people away from the topic…minimum wage, and create confusion. Ignore him. We could all discuss the ins and outs of the war in Bosnia…( we didn’t stay there by the way – Bush wants to stay in Iraq forever ) but that is not the topic. The topic is that this right wing sleaze bag of a president is not behind minimum wage. Now if you live in an Alternate universe like some here and believe that you have gotten where you are without the help of and connection to others…..go for it. Keep being the pigs you are. If, on the other hand, you realize that working together including creating social services ( The Democratic vision) will be part of what keep this species from killing itself off you can get to work for something other than yourself. Republicans are extremely selfish and deluded sometimes about their connection to others. They think they are these great conquerors but don’t realize they are totally dependent on the infrastructure made up of countless lives. So, their time must end. And it is ending. Gore/Feingold
August 18th, 2006 at 8:04 pmHe was lucky he didn’t need ground troops.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 8:00 pm
Clinton did send troops to Kosovo:
President Bill Clinton announced Wednesday that the United States is deploying more forces in the Kosovo conflict, including about 7,000 ground troops for any future NATO peacekeeping force that would enter the province once the fighting ended.
Clinton increases U.S. troops for Kosovo force
The big difference is that the American contingent was part of a NATO-led operation, not a willy-nilly “coalition of the willing”. That made all the difference in the world.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:05 pmyou know all about the dictators.
Kim Jung Il, Chavez, Castro, Kerry, Kennedy…
August 18th, 2006 at 8:06 pmAlexander, we’ve got 25,000 maimed american soldiers, 2600 dead and 130,000 dead Iraqi civilians.
Let me say this, being the friend of a man who just returned 2 weeks ago from his 5th tour in Iraq, with 1 tour in Afghanistan: I do not like war.
However, wars sometimes are necessary. I could read to you intel reports, and discussions, and post the remarks of many politicians (including John Kerry and Jillary Clinton) who said that Iraq was an imminent threat in 2003. They all believed it. The world believed it. And although no huge stockpiles of WMD have been found, no one can tell me that Iraq was not a danger before the invasion.
I do not like this war, and I cringe each time another American is killed there. But if you wish to be against war but never for defending the world and your country against the likes of Saddam Hussein, or Slobodan Milosevic, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, you are not thinking about what not doing anything truly means.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:06 pmYes,…..they are pigs. They care about nothing other than power
August 18th, 2006 at 8:06 pmNo Alexander, it is quite clear who the thug is on this forum. You have contibuted nothing to this discussion, yet every other comment belongs to you. I’d be hard-pressed to find a more glaring example of spermatic misuse. The world would have been a better place if your daddy had just rolled over and wiped it on the curtains.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:06 pmIs Bill Clinton still president or has another troll tried to divert the real issue? This guy is talking to himself which is sad. He obviously is attention deprived and thinks he’s an expert on foreign policy – wrongo!
August 18th, 2006 at 8:08 pmAnd you’re splitting hairs about Kosovo and Bosnia.
Clinton bombed the tar out of civilians in Kosovo.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:08 pmClinton did send troops to Kosovo:
Ah – but notice what you posted:
President Bill Clinton announced Wednesday that the United States is deploying more forces in the Kosovo conflict, including about 7,000 ground troops for any future NATO peacekeeping force that would enter the province once the fighting ended.
“Once the fighting ended.”
In short, no ground troops were sent in while the war raged.
And the “war” was an air war.
We hit plenty of civilians inside Serbia. Did the world march against us for that?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:09 pmAs it generally goes with trolls, if everyone ignores him/her, they usually get the hint.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:09 pmThis guy Alexanderalt is a nutcase. Ignore him and he’ll go away.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:10 pmAll serious bloggers need to go mute and let Alexander stew in his own juices
Which explains why the libs here can’t shut up. hehe
August 18th, 2006 at 8:10 pmThe world would have been a better place if your daddy had just rolled over and wiped it on the curtains.
I could post a real shot at this one, but I will pass.
I will just let it stand for what it symbolizes: pure, unadultered hate.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:10 pmYou have contibuted nothing to this discussion, yet every other comment belongs to you.
And yet no lib here has the intelligence to even dent his arguments. Go figure.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:11 pmYes,…..they are pigs. They care about nothing other than power
John Murtha and Ted Kennedy are fat pigs, who only care about getting drunk.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:13 pmDon’t feed the feral pig and he’ll move on to another part of the jungle.
Nothing to contribute except using namecalling to advance an empty argument.
Do you have anything positive to add? If not, go away, pest.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:13 pmIs that like the pot calling the kettle black – empty argument? Who is the one here talking about past history with absolutely no pertinence to what’s occurring today? Hello? Anyone home, trolls?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:14 pmAlt, please try to keep in mind that Saddam Hussein never attacked the U.S., had nothing to do with 9-11 and was a mortal enemy of Muslim theocracy.
Slobo certainly didn’t.
But Saddam did shoot at our planes in the no fly zones, tried to kill former President Bush, paid terrorist families $25 large to blow up Israelis.
In other words, you lie.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:15 pmIf anyone is looking for something nice to add to their evenings, go to music.yahoo.com, and sign up for Launchcast, which lets you listen to about 500 free songs a month. You get to select which songs you like, and which ones you hate, and listen to the ones you like over and over.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:16 pmlet’s let the two feral pigs feed each other. They’re clearly not worth the blog lines they take up. They just enjoy the “posturing” which they think makes them look intelligent. We know otherwise.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:16 pmYes. Thank you for posting the real reason we went after Saddam. You are the first troll here to tell the truth.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:16 pmWho is the one here talking about past history with absolutely no pertinence to what’s occurring today?
The libs. They are comically trying to excuse away Bill Clinton attacking civilians in Kosovo.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:17 pmAlt, please try to keep in mind that Saddam Hussein never attacked the U.S., had nothing to do with 9-11 and was a mortal enemy of Muslim theocracy.
No one ever said that Saddam had to do with the 9/11 attacks.
But he did train terrorists how to hijack aircraft – read up on Salman Pak and the aircraft facilities we found there.
And he was paying Palestinian terrorists to blow up Israeli buses.
And he tried to buy uranium ore in Africa in the late 1990s, but was stymied because the governments there knew what he was going to do with it.
In short, Saddam was a continuing threat as long as he remained in power.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:18 pm#272 -
Saddam never tried to attack Americans?
Former President Bush is not an American?
Liberals lie.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:19 pmCNN
September 27, 2002
Bush calls Saddam ‘the guy who tried to kill my dad’
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/27/bush.war.talk/
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) — President Bush leveled harsh criticism Thursday at the Senate on homeland security issues, but he revised his stump speech to make clear “there are fine senators from both parties who care deeply about our country.”
And, in discussing the threat posed by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Bush said: “After all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad.”
August 18th, 2006 at 8:20 pmlet’s let the two feral pigs feed each other.
Bluedog and Spungeboy are having dinner together? hehe
August 18th, 2006 at 8:21 pmHaven’t spent much time on this blog have you. It is all your right wing buddies talk about.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:21 pmOooo, think of that yourself did ya?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:22 pmAlexander Asshole: I don’t see your chickenshit ass in the army. If you’re gonna talk the talk, you damn well better be able to walk the walk.–Vietnam veteran
August 18th, 2006 at 8:22 pmAlexander Asshole: I don’t see your chickenshit ass in the army.
Bill Clinton was the chickenshit who went to London.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:23 pmHaven’t spent much time on this blog have you. It is all your right wing buddies talk about.
And all leftwingers talk about is how Bush knew Iraq had no WMD and went to war anyway. That is a lie, and anyone worth his or her salt knows it.
Now, if you want to argue that our intell was bad, that is fine. But every intelligence agency, including the Russians, the French, and the Chinese, thought Saddam had massive stockpiles of WMD.
So anything about “Bush knowing there was no WMD” is a lie. And you know it. Or else you are not being honest with yourself.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:24 pmAnother lie is that bin Laden and Iraq had no ties. Even the 9/11 Commission showed how many times they tried to work with each other.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:26 pmOMFG!!! Gotta get into the hip waders, the trollshit is really piling up deep tonight.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:28 pmDixie blood, who can ignore such a dipshit like you?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:28 pmthe trollshit is really piling up deep tonight.
And it’s coming out of YOUR ass.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:30 pmEstaban; you are perfectly free to join the army too, they even take criminals now.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:30 pmDixie blood, who can ignore such a dipshit like you?
I would ignore her and those who throw hand grenades for effect. They have such empty lives, that they cannot have 1 rational conversation and need to have enemies in order to have happiness.
Truly sad and pathetic people.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:30 pmDixie Blood is a troll who lives under a bridge. He’s so ugly, the doctor slapped his mom when he was born.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:31 pmEstaban; you are perfectly free to join the army too, they even take criminals now.
Your communist loving butt never served. You hate America.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:32 pmYea, I served, no small thanks to the draft. And I learned the hard way about THAT bs war and I KNOW that this one is even BIGGER BS.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:37 pmwould love to someday debate a real conservative.
Standing right here, waiting for something to debate on.
Are you up for it? I am.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:38 pmAlexander Alt is jealous of Hillary.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:39 pmAlexander Alt is jealous of Hillary.
Not at all.
I just think she is the worst kind of opportunist. She takes a stand, and when that stand becomes unpopular she changes her mind. Or she says something that conflicts with what she said earlier.
Don’t get me wrong – I find plenty of politicians who do this. I will never vote for any of them, left or right.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:40 pmOk Alt, why are you defending the policies of this president? And why are you willing to continue a war that we did not need to fight in the first place?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:40 pmYea, I served, no small thanks to the draft.
Yeah you served for North Vietnam. What a lying a$$hole.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:40 pmwould love to someday debate a real conservative.
You call that a debate? I call it a slaughter. Alex and Exely tear you a new one every time you open your pie hold.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:42 pmEsteban is Alt’s side kick. The reason liberals have a hard time “debating” these type folks is that they don’t reason…they throw information at you that they have twisted to fit their story. It is not honest…and they know it. It is all about power…not reason, fairness, etc. They can’t be wrong…regardless of the reality of a situation
August 18th, 2006 at 8:43 pmOk Alt, why are you defending the policies of this president? And why are you willing to continue a war that we did not need to fight in the first place?
I like Bush for the same reason I do not like Hillary Clinton – he stands for what he believes. Whether or you agree with him, as I do, or disagree with him as you do, you can say one thing about him: he takes a stand and stays with it. For instance, he is staying with supporting this war in Iraq and Afghanistan because he believes what we are doing there is right.
Now, I see you are against the war. That is fine. I do not “hate” people against the war, but I do ask them to tell me what we should do next without calling names.
Give me a strategy that works, and I will listen. Hell, many people will.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:44 pmEsteban is Alt’s side kick.
Alt is my new friend. It’s fun to watch him intellectially destroy you pea sized brained liberals.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:44 pmesteban….tearing a new one is all you think about. Because you are weak and over compensating. That’s why you’re on the right
August 18th, 2006 at 8:45 pmThe reason liberals have a hard time “debating†these type folks is that they don’t reason…they throw information at you that they have twisted to fit their story.
If you can show me where I have “twisted information,” I invite you to post it and show me to be a liar.
Where I said I did not know the answer, I asked and someone posted the relevant information. We debated on NATO’s role in Bosnia and Kosovo – and I said I did not know the answer. Someone posted it, and we debated it.
Is that not debate? What else could I do to placate you and get you to discuss issues rather than call names?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:46 pmEsteban…you don’t care about this country. Shame on you. You’re a loser
August 18th, 2006 at 8:46 pmIt was dumb to point this out before the 20th. How you just make it possible that he will talk about it over the week-end.
Why do Dems always get the President clues about those things he should care about but clearly does not, and let him serve empty words for the media to send to the public?
Stop this dumb shit. Let the son a bitch fuck up, then point it out.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:47 pmBush is a failure as a president! Most Americans agree with me. Prove me wrong…
No, Bush is not popular with a majority of the Americans polled. I do not think he is a “failure,” and no one will truly know until years from now. It takes decades for the ultimate disposition of the success or failure of an administration to be settled, by the public, politicians, historians, etc.
To say he is a “success” or a “failure” at this point is senseless, to be honest.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:47 pmBecause you are weak and over compensating.
Nope, you must be referring to the Democrats’ foreign policy proposals.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:49 pmEsteban…you don’t care about this country. Shame on you. You’re a loser
Yeah, the Republicans have been losing so many elections.
If you want to see a whiny loser, look in the mirror. Crabfaced Loserman.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:51 pmBush is a failure as a president!
Most Americicans think Bill Clinton is immoral and has no class.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:51 pmBullshit Alt. Pure Bullshit. You sure are a right wing shill. Bush will be held accountable….he doesn’t get off with that right wing spin. “history will decide” Sorry but no cigar. People are not falling for that. He is a failure and you need to get counseling.
Bush is a disaster and a failure for this country. If you can’t see that, it would take eons to explain it to you.
And you do not debate. I don’t respect your comments enough to debate you. Sorry
August 18th, 2006 at 8:52 pmi know where it would end. In la la land………..Alt’s Alternate reality. Won’t go there. Night.
Dixie Blood stop spamming the board, a$$hole.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:52 pmStill waiting…
All I can say to you is that you cannot judge a president while he is in office as to how history will judge him.
It is like judging a ball player for having a lousy season at the plate, and then he hits a grand slam in the 9th inning of Game 7 of the World Series. Historians will remember the home run, not the lousy season.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:53 pm#316-
You’re using Democrat talking points.
I thought you were smarter and more creative than that.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:54 pmHi Uncle Ho,
Anything going on around here?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:54 pmBullshit Alt. Pure Bullshit. You sure are a right wing shill.
That’s not debate – its name calling.
And it is the reason why Dems have lost all but 2 presidential elections since 1964.
Debate rationally, and you will get a debate from the other side. Call names, and you get that instead.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:54 pmNight little esteban side kick. Hard being in the cheering section after awhile isn’t it. Especially when the person you’re cheering is …….who he is. What restraint.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:55 pmPhuck you to the core a$$hole, time-wasting, sh!thead!!!
I can see you’re in 3rd grade, or maybe in prison throwing $hit.
Stop spamming the board, you ugly troll.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:55 pmdixie,
Is there a reason you didn’t do that earlier?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:56 pmEsteban Calderone, Igave a chance you phucked yourself!!!!
Nope, the Dems got phucked over last election by Rove. hehe
August 18th, 2006 at 8:57 pmIt’s obvious you rightwing junkies don’t have a life on a Friday night sitting on this blog for hours. Get a life!
August 18th, 2006 at 8:57 pmNight little esteban side kick.
Drink yourself to sleep, liberal?
August 18th, 2006 at 8:58 pmlet these wingnuts do a circle jerk with themselves. Most people have better things to do than play mental masturbation with nutbags.
August 18th, 2006 at 8:58 pmwhacko wingnuts unit! This bog has become full of worthless nonsense and truth twisting tonight. What a joke!
August 18th, 2006 at 8:59 pmIt’s obvious you rightwing junkies don’t have a life on a Friday night sitting on this blog for hours. Get a life!
So, someone who comes on a site looking for some debate on a Friday night after a hard work week is now a “junkie.”
How would you describe a liberal who comes on here on a Friday night and posts for hours?
August 18th, 2006 at 9:00 pmWhat Bush really meant to say was “We discussed more made-up terrorist stories so we can shovel even more money under the table to our supporters, privatize everything we can to our supporters, get as much money as we can for dismantling the US government, and basically open up the Treasury doors to the pin-striped corporate mafia.
When are the American people, and especially the conservatives who claim to HATE big government, going to wake up and see that BushCo and the corporate GOP and the corporate Dems are basically racketeering fronts. Our country is run by organized crime.
What’s it going to take for reasonable people to get the message. The emperor is not wearing any clothes, and he’s a crook.
THe former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan wrote the following regarding John Reid, Home Secretary and the suspicious terrorist arrests last week in the UK
August 18th, 2006 at 9:00 pmhttp://www.counterpunch.org/murray08172006.html
“For those who don’t know, it is worth introducing Reid. A hardened Stalinist with a long term reputation for personal violence, at Stirling Univeristy he was the Communist Party’s “Enforcer”, (in days when the Communist Party ran Stirling University Students’ Union, which it should not be forgotten was a business with a very substantial cash turnover). Reid was sent to beat up those who deviated from the Party line.”
His parting words were “Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical.”
Circle jerk? Estaban & Alex Asshole fight to be the pivot man.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:01 pmI see all of the liberals who did want to debate some issues have gone, to be replaced by bitter haters who have nothing to add but namecalling.
Time for me to exit, stage right.
Of course, I fully expect the more juvenile amongst the haters to curse my back after I have left. A sure sign of a twisted mind.
Night, folks.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:01 pmI feel good. It is becoming so obvious to me and a lot of others that what makes the right wing tick is juvenile in your face dishonesty. I don’t respect them. They aren’t honest with themselves and will defend their “team” for the powerful feeling they get…at all costs. This country has been damaged by a loss of the ability for it’s citizens to communicate and share responsibility. It’s been the squeaky wheel syndrome and it is on the way out.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:02 pmGore/Feingold.
To say he is a “success†or a “failure†at this point is senseless, to be honest.
==
To be honest the Plans for Iraq war date back 10 years before Bush [PNAC]. The plans for Israel to make a clean break date back to 1996.
PNAC is a failure.
To be honest the think tanks that advise the Bush cabal is a failure. [The Kristol/Kagan decades long Ideological failure]
Neo-Cons are a failure.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:02 pmIt’s obvious you rightwing junkies don’t have a life on a Friday night
It’s only 6pm here, pea brain liberal.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:02 pmGore/Feingold ‘08 ’tis!
August 18th, 2006 at 9:03 pmdining all alone then, loser Estaben? Guess that pretty much tells the story….
August 18th, 2006 at 9:04 pmHey Zooey, best to curl up with a good book tonight. All the threads are being hijacked by the reichwing nuts. Must have gotten their orders from KKK Rove.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:04 pm340
August 18th, 2006 at 9:06 pmGore Feingold
Only if they get some balls and start speaking the truth instead of vague rambling tangential nothingness. If either of them could definitively take a position instead of waffling around. BUt then they’d have to agree not to take the money. ANd that’s hard to do.
dining all alone then, loser Estaben?
I’d invite you to dinner, but you’d probably stick me with the bill. Liberal.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:07 pmMust have gotten their orders from KKK Rove.
Comment by Ho Chi Minh
Hi Uncle Ho. Idiot stick may gotten his marching orders from Unka Karl, but WE don’t have to follow them. I wanted to read about the minimum wage thing, and I find this horror. ;{
August 18th, 2006 at 9:07 pmIt’s only 6pm here, pea brain liberal.
Capitalism is liberalism.
Think about that ‘pea brain’.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:08 pmThe question is….did this discussion get anywhere regarding the fact that Bush is not working to raise minimum wage? No. Because there were several trolls intent on having fun and shutting down the discussion. This is how our government works. Men of no honor or decency. Power is all. Ironically, look where their tactics have gotten this country. We are less powerful, less respected and less wealthy. When a country cares only about power, greed and fighting, it falls. We are in danger of this. The trolls here were interested in their own power…nothing more. Nothing. Too many puffed up roosters crowing delightedly as the ship goes down. It’s about all of us you know….not libs against Right wingers. That is a false fight. The dividers want power….to keep us fighting. We can’t let them
August 18th, 2006 at 9:19 pmWow. It looks like the trolls knock off at 6 p.m. Cool.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:20 pmWell said, s
August 18th, 2006 at 9:21 pmCan I clear a room, or what? :)
August 18th, 2006 at 9:22 pm347
August 18th, 2006 at 9:24 pmGet off the soapbox. The usuals are just as power hungry as the trolls. In fact the usuals are so protective of their little coffee klatch bush hating sessions, they can’t stand it if anybody veers from the party-line, and can be just as controlling and power mad. For example, if you say anythign about HRC, all the usuals go deaf dumb and blind.
welcome back Alt/cmw
If you don’t hate Bush by now there is something wrong with you . Period
August 18th, 2006 at 9:27 pmZooey, if you don’t already read alternet, check it out. Great stories from there ranging from the Iraq war, to minimum wage, Wal-Mart, televangelists. Good columns by Ariana Huffington, Molly Ivins, & others. I read it daily. Alternet.org.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:31 pmcmw,
Who peed in your coffee?
August 18th, 2006 at 9:32 pmI read it daily. Alternet.org.
Comment by Ho Chi Minh
I can’t say I read it every day, Uncle Ho, but I stop by regularly. Can’t get enough of Molly Ivins!
August 18th, 2006 at 9:34 pmZooey
A CSV customer seeking emergency contraceptives.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:38 pmZooey, as for cmw’s coffee, could be Alex A. It’s not an accusation, but a nomination.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:41 pmA CSV customer seeking emergency contraceptives.
Comment by cmw
I hope you drank it. It might clear up your skin.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:42 pmBTW- a friend of mine swears by the site Crooks and liars, but I’m not a regular there.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:44 pmMinimum wage increase is exactly what AlQaeda wants. just like they want Lamont to win in CT. uh.. and they want freedom too… uuhhh…to die because then will have to go back to managing calm again, and…uuhhh, then no one will be getting blown apart to satisfy the pro-life people who want to uuhhh… send our young men and women to die for a OIL PIPELINE that were NOT EVEN THERE FOR… HeH- HeH… Cuz its freedom we’re fighting for over their so we don’t have to have it here. Cuz that stuff can make… make people do some strange things…Heh Heh And all the tax dollars Y’all givin us, in our pockets will newver be able to pay back china, because china ’s paying for the war and y’all can pay them back later. So you can see the impact that a minimum wage increase has on our economy… it’s just hard werk. Now how do I look on this Harley.. Vroooom, Vrooooom..HeH HeH
August 18th, 2006 at 9:47 pmBTW- a friend of mine swears by the site Crooks and liars, but I’m not a regular there.
Comment by Ho Chi Minh
Are you trying to get me to leave TP, Uncle Ho? :)
I like Crooks & Liars, but since I only have dial-up at home, it’s hard to watch any of his clips. He’s usually got a transcript up, though.
My most favorite site, other than TP, is Pandagon. Have you been?
August 18th, 2006 at 9:47 pmCrooks and Liars is my second favorite site besides TP.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:50 pmaproudrepug,
Sums up the Neo-Con point of view.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:52 pmZooey, absolutely NOT trying to get you to leave TP, you are funny and a delight here. I was merely pointing out some other sites. Visited Pandagon rarely. Alternet & TP DAILY.
August 18th, 2006 at 9:52 pmZooey, absolutely NOT trying to get you to leave TP, you are funny and a delight here.
Comment by Ho Chi Minh
*blush*
August 18th, 2006 at 9:55 pmI DO hope aproudrepug was only being sarcastic. If not…it’s a sick world, isn’t it?
August 18th, 2006 at 9:56 pm*blush*
August 18th, 2006 at 9:58 pm
Hey there Alt!
August 18th, 2006 at 10:04 pmDoes Florida have a state minimum wage?
crap, looks like I missed Alt by an hour…
August 18th, 2006 at 10:06 pmaproudrepug,
/sarcasm=on
August 18th, 2006 at 10:07 pmOH…VERY SARCASTIC, However it is a sick world isn’t it?…
August 18th, 2006 at 10:07 pmGreetings, Zooey, Uncle Ho.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:08 pmBeen an interesting thread, just got back from dinner, all the trolls have crawled back under their bridges.
Hey RU, I’m sure Alt will return. Bad pennies always turn up, just like Mighty Moron,Seixon, exley, Jason M Hendler, IRI, etc. They always “cut and run” away only to return another day.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:10 pmNow, now, just what would yenta say?
Comment by Ho Chi Minh
She’d say, “Have I got a nice boy for you, deary. Nevermind he wears pink socks…you’ll love his mother. I’m surprised a girl your age blushes…” :P
August 18th, 2006 at 10:13 pmIf the issue/issues doen’t confuse or anger you, you will never understand them…
August 18th, 2006 at 10:15 pmI think Murrow said something along those lines…
Good evening, RUCerious. I think the trolls only got paid until 6 p.m.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:17 pmNote: Post # 292 has been falsely attributed to me. I did NOT write that post. Someone has misrepresented himself or herself and posted material under my name. This juvenile “copy-cat” poster has placed this same diatribw on several other threads tonight and falsely attributed it to me. I would ask the managers of “ThinkProgress.org†to remove those postings or, at the very least, remove my screen name from them. When I registered on this site and gave myself a screenname, I provided my e-mail address, thus, the identification of the impostor should be readily ascertainable. Thank you.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:20 pmThe government can mandate as high a minimum wage as they want. Too bad they can’t mandate a certain level of productivity to go along with it. This will only cost black teenagers their summer jobs they could have had.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:21 pmI’m a man of many Names, many Places and any Face….
August 18th, 2006 at 10:23 pmPleased to meet you… Won’t you quess my name…????
August 18th, 2006 at 10:25 pmThe repugs want NO increase in the minimum wage, that way they keep their economic draft for the army.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:26 pmUncle Ho,
“…economic draft for the army.” I hadn’t thought of it that way before. That really makes sense.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:28 pmI’ve been around since JESUS died. When pilot … Sealed his fate
August 18th, 2006 at 10:30 pmThis is the bush loyalists proud leader:
LANCASTER COUNTY, PA – As President Bush’s motorcade came into view on Lincoln Highway East Wednesday afternoon, protesters prepped their makeshift anti-war/anti-Bush signs and prepared to faceoff — if only for a second — with their nemesis.
But Bush’s entourage entered the Lancaster Host Resort through a back entrance, turning down a side street and avoiding his detractors.
The protesters yelled “Coward!” and “Loser!” and booed until the last car in the president’s procession vanished from sight.
“I think he’s very consistent with his cowardice,” Todd Baxter, 37, of Manheim Township, said. “He never sees us, so he thinks everyone supports him.”
Charles Lane, 72, a treasurer for Lancaster County Coalition for Peace and Justice, compared President Bush to Nicaraguan dictator Anastasio Somoza, who was so loathed he had to sneak in all public places through back entrances.
“I make the observation that Mr. Bush goes in the back way the same way the banana republic dictators have done for a long time,” he said, shaking his head in disgust.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:31 pmjust great, aproudrepug is a stones nut. I prefer Jefferson Airplane, Country Joe & the Fish, The Grateful Dead, Quicksliver Messenger Service, & Bigh Brother & the Holding Co. I turned hippie in San Francisco when I was in the Service.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:31 pm
If you do not seperate, you are doomed to repeat the same
August 18th, 2006 at 10:33 pmIf you do not separate, you are doomed to repeat the same.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:40 pm
Apparently hes a seperationist.
:|
August 18th, 2006 at 10:43 pm#383 – madashell,
when “Dick” Cheney was in Boise a couple days ago shilling for (whatthehellishisnfirstname?) Sali, a genuine nut case, protesters donned hunter orange and handed out hunter safety pamphlets in front of the venue. Priceless…
August 18th, 2006 at 10:47 pm#388 zooey; you should have posted pix of that. ROTFL.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:54 pmHi, Zoo. That Alexander really made an impression. :)
August 18th, 2006 at 11:14 pmKeep up the good stuff y’all. I got to give my 3 year old her bath! Nite All!
August 18th, 2006 at 11:18 pmWho exactly would raising the minimum wage help? Every study shows that kids of the rich are most of the ones working part time and pulling in the minimum wage.
Even Wal-mart pays over $10 an hour.
Minimum wage is just an election year rhetoric issue. Nothing to see here.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:21 pmMan alive, there was SOOOOO much crap from the trolls tonight that I nearly called it a day from disgust. Much better after they split. It’s now about 2330 Eastern time in SE Michigan.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:22 pm
Who exactly would raising the minimum wage help?
Stupid liberals.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:23 pmHere we go again……trying to turn this country in to the People’s Republic of America. Please, will you socialists give it up…….
You wanna make more money….work harder!
August 18th, 2006 at 11:27 pmYou wanna make more money….work harder!
But they’re liberals. They too stupid.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:28 pmWe’ve already had this debate. I’ve yet to learn of one socialist country that provides more opportunity than a capitalist country like the United States.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:30 pm#397
Who the F*CK wants to be Socialist?
On the other hand, Canada, eh, offers WAY more opportunity than the U.S., “jackoff”.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:35 pmHa! Canada? You truly must be kidding!
August 18th, 2006 at 11:36 pmWho the F*CK wants to be Socialist?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:37 pmComment by DieNowForPeace — August 18, 2006 @ 11:35 pm
Sorry, I do. Know any other SUSTAINABLE economic system?
#396
“they too stupid”
Duh-huh, bubba.
“Aintree? What the hell you wanna go to Aintree fer?”
August 18th, 2006 at 11:37 pmOn the other hand, Canada, eh, offers WAY more opportunity than the U.S., “jackoffâ€.
If you like paying all those taxes.
Ever try to see a doctor in Canada?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:39 pm#400
August 18th, 2006 at 11:39 pmGypsies have survived on the barter system. ;)
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If you agree that this would be a useful method to clean out these viscious trolls, then send a comment to the management using the CONTACT US link. If enough of us agree to a accept a minimal degree of limitation, then we can greatly improve the quality of the dialogue with minimal restriction. In my opinion, having a forum for intelligent, open-minded discussion is just as important as the advance political information we receive from this site.
I truly appreciate the efforts of the Think Progress team to create this kind of site. My only intent here is to make it better.
Sincerely yours, stonehinge
August 18th, 2006 at 11:39 pm#401, that was meant for you, you dumb redneck.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:39 pm#402
Have YOU?
Have you ever marveled at the amount of OVER THE COUNTER alternatives in Canada, or are you just dreaming?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:40 pmDumb rednecks wanna hug big, racist, fascist dolts, REAL HARD.
Wubba-wubba.
Ughn!
August 18th, 2006 at 11:41 pm#406
Have you?
The wait to see a doctor is very long. Is it worth paying all of those taxes for socialized medicine?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:42 pmIt must be a strain for you to type, #407, you seem dumb as rocks.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:43 pm#408
Ever been a member of an HMO?
No freakin’ diff.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:43 pm…and the service at an HMO is SHIT.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:44 pmTry me.
I’m FAMOUS for getting scum-eating trolls EXORCISED from TP.
Discuss the thread, OR YOU’RE DEAD.
BOOM.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:47 pmOh I see….so what happens is conservatives come into a liberal website like this, make posts that liberals don’t like, and then the ever-so-tolerant liberals want to limit the amount of posts one can make. How progressive of you….
Where’s my ACLU lawyer to defend my rights????
August 18th, 2006 at 11:48 pmWhere’s my ACLU lawyer to defend my rights????
Comment by Keith Olberman is a j*ckoff
Call ‘em, they sue to protect the rights of idiots all the time.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:49 pmJACKOFF,
If you refuse to discuss the topic, YOU’RE DEAD TO US.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:49 pmEver been a member of an HMO?
No freakin’ diff.
Bull crap.
You lie.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:50 pmTry it!
August 18th, 2006 at 11:50 pmAs opposed to getting no service here if you can’t afford it?
Having trouble paying your bills, little liberal?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:52 pmDeaBla,
No, I don’t lie.
I’ve been a member of an HMO.
You lie, dildo.
Ever even been to Canada?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:52 pmSays the guy who intentionally distorts the Canadian medical system.
Says the guy who’s too stupid to comprehend what I said.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:52 pmyou’re just spreading crap, lies, and intentional distortions.
This from the guy who has lied in every post in this thread so far.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:53 pmHey Deaky Blacklittle,
August 18th, 2006 at 11:54 pmShouldn’t you be rubbing one out to your Karl Rove fan club 8X10″?
It’s been almost 15 minutes since the last time you did!
You lie, dildo.
Ever even been to Canada?
You lied in your last post.
Of course I’ve been to Canada. The wait to see a doctor is very long. Nothing like here.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:55 pm#400
August 18th, 2006 at 11:55 pmGypsies have survived on the barter system. ;)
Comment by DieNowForPeace — August 18, 2006 @ 11:39 pm
:) Good one. Hey, dont waste with this guy. He knows nothing about anything.
The one that showed the US has one of the worst – class mobility, and wealth mobility – in the world.
Failed liberal social programs.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:56 pmActually, it should be no suprise that the people who post in here want income redistribution. Mainly because their is no way that they actually work. Every day after work I come in here and read the posts that people make, and it’s always the same people posting all day:
DieNowForPeace
August 18th, 2006 at 11:56 pmZooey
Juan C
etc…..
Who the F*CK wants to be Socialist?
Comment by DieNowForPeace — August 18, 2006 @ 11:35 pm
Sorry, I do. Know any other SUSTAINABLE economic system?
Comment by Juan C — August 18, 2006
Juan, I agree entirely with your retort.
These poor neo-fascists don’t realize that the US economy is already a Communist system. Our financial and commodity markets have been manipulated by a central authority since the Reagan era. These fools can rant until the cows come home, but the US economy is clearly communistic by definition, and has been now for a long time.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:56 pm…I’m just toying with trollies approach of Jr. High taunting:
“My mom has kicked your dad’s ASS!”
August 18th, 2006 at 11:57 pmDickheadforpeace, you would know all about rubbing one out. I’m surprised you can type with one hand. heh.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:58 pmEvery day after work I come in here and read the posts that people make, and it’s always the same people posting all day:
DieNowForPeace
Zooey
Juan C
etc…..
Comment by Keith Olberman is a j*ckoff — August 18, 2006 @ 11:56 pm
LIghten up and join the club. Come on.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:58 pmDie Now For Peace….
Don’t hate on Deacon Blackfire….I saw you laminating your Karl Marx poster the other day….
August 18th, 2006 at 11:58 pmit’s always the same people posting all day:
DieNowForPeace
Zooey
Juan C
etc…..
Comment by Keith Olberman is a j*ckoff
You were a whiny kid with wet pants in school, weren’t you?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:59 pmI’m quite familiar with the Canadian medical systems, and have several Canadian friends.
I doubt you have any friends, or any knowledge of anything whatsoever. You’re a bigmouth liberal.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:59 pmJuan C…
No thanks…I like being wealthy and talking shit to all the no good bums on the street who would rather inject heroin in their arms than make something of themselves
August 19th, 2006 at 12:00 amDon’t worry trolls,
August 19th, 2006 at 12:01 amJust because other countries have figured out how to function better than us, you shouldn’t feel threatened.
But you’re too ignorant to learn anything other than yer granddady’s racist, money-grubbing ways.
The U.S. has already become the “Mexico” of Canada.
Just ask anybody who lives there.
We’re among the most rightwing, and deficient society in the civilized world social program wise.
So pack it up and leave, hot shot. Nobody likes you here.
This country is the way it is because of 50 years of failed liberal programs. Like the billions wasted on the war on poverty.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:01 amA “bigmouth” liberal will always have more true friends than a frat-boy, coat-tail-ridding, yuppie dork.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:02 amEveryone’s a commie to you.
No, but you sure seem like one with your commie ramblings. You’re the type of left wing hate monger that would put a cap on wealth.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:05 am#446, answer your own questions, smart ass.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:08 am#449
Do you really believe all of this crap that has been spoon fed to you by the Democrat party? Or are you just repeating this morning’s talking points to be annoying?
August 19th, 2006 at 12:17 amDeacon,
You’ve offerend no FOOTNOTES, links or facts to base your allegations/arguments.
You’ll find little accomodation for barbed one-liners here.
FACTS, LITTLE MAN, PROOF, if you’ve got anything OTHER than bullcrap talking points?
Or did you cheat with the rest of your frat buddies and not learn to research/study?
August 19th, 2006 at 12:21 amI know these things because I think for myself.
LOL. DNC.com is where you get your information.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:22 amYou’ve offerend no FOOTNOTES, links or facts to base your allegations/arguments.
That’s a stupid comment. Everybody in the world knows about the tremendously long wait to see a doctor in canada.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:23 amComment by Keith Olberman is a j*ckoff
The problem is childish thugs like yourself who contribute nothing to the discussion. My preference would be to establish a ban protocol, but a limit such as I have suggested will do just fine. The objective here is to help you realize that there are places designed for people just like you. For example, I’m sure you would be much more comfortable over on MySpace. You could still get off a few shots over here.
=)
August 19th, 2006 at 12:29 amMethinks Deacon longs for the good old days, before all those liberal programs, when life was great for the wealthy, you know.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:31 amThe Great Depression…
Deacon,
August 19th, 2006 at 12:33 amHere in Texas, if you don’t make an appointment with your family doctor/dentist or sex change therapist AT THE TIME OF YOUR LAST APPOINTMENT, you’ll be on about a 3-6 week wait list, JUST LIKE IN CANADA.
Here in Texas, if you don’t make an appointment with your family doctor/dentist or sex change therapist AT THE TIME OF YOUR LAST APPOINTMENT
So don’t be so lazy. Make the appointment.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:34 amMethinks Deacon longs for the good old days, before all those liberal programs, when life was great for the wealthy, you know.
We shouldn’t have had all those stupid social programs over the past 50 years. They did good damage to the country.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:36 amDea,
My point is, the “wait-list” propaganda about Canada is just that: PROPAGANDA.
I just made the same point abou the U.S.?!
August 19th, 2006 at 12:36 amDeacon,
August 19th, 2006 at 12:38 amIs it hard to type with the white hood and robe on?
My point is, the “wait-list†propaganda about Canada is just that: PROPAGANDA.
Nope it’s not. The wait in canada has nothing to do with how lazy you are. It’s the failed socialized system.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:38 amDeacon,
Is it hard to type with the white hood and robe on?
You should ask Robert Byrd. Heh.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:45 amGood damage? As opposed to bad damage?
August 19th, 2006 at 12:46 amYou’re a joke.
BC Ministry of Health reports a 3.9 week median wait time for neurosurgery for Mar-May/05
August 19th, 2006 at 12:50 amI waited longer than that for a back surgery in Jan 2003, after injuring my back in August of 02.
Here’s my source, where’s yours? This “everybody knows” BS is just that.
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/books/chapterfiles/WYT2005pt2.pdf#
#466, David Duke is not a Republican, you immature child.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:56 amWhy don’t you go to any emergency room, and ask the paitents waiting there.
1 to 2 hours tops, big mouth.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:57 amGreat advice.
That’s exactly what canadians do.
And they wait forever for their appointment.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:58 amThis “everybody knows†BS is just that.
Everybody should know it. If they don’t, they are keeping themselves deliberately ignorant.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:01 amWhere’s your source for your data, Deke?
August 19th, 2006 at 1:01 amSo, you proved that you don’t know jack shit about the technology in the other thread and you are here proving to everybody that you know jack shit about the health care industry here.
Way to go.
Anything else we should know that you don’t know jack shit about?
August 19th, 2006 at 1:03 amOn the other thread he blames DOJ Microsoft suit for the .Com bubble burst.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:05 amA classic dumbass.
Because I know lots of Canadians and americans disagree with you.
Liberals like you who spout Democrat party talking points.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:19 amCanada spends about 1/2 of what the US does per patient.
Higher taxes, way higher.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:20 amOn the other thread he blames DOJ Microsoft suit for the .Com bubble burst.
It started it. Facts to liberals are like garlic to vampires.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:26 amDude, you are a flying sh!t storm of republican talking points. A veritable cornucopia of bullshit.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:26 amAhhh, because you are the only one who should be able to belittle people? Well, I don’t think so. You wanna attack everybody, but when somebody gives it back, you think they talk too much. Too fricken bad for you.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:38 amToo bad.
And since you wanna call me an indearing name like son, I am going to reciprcate by calling you daughter.
You do nothing but denigrate people like Sean Hannity and his ilk, daughter.
Get bent, kiddo.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:46 amGet bent? Kiddo?
You can do better than that. Like I will tell you “Get bent over, daughter”
August 19th, 2006 at 1:48 amDeacon, show us one, just one factual source for your contention that the DOJ suit had anything to do with the dot com bubble burst, just one.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:50 amAnd not your, well everyone should know crap.
It’s called scholarship. Try it. Come on.
Get bent? Kiddo?
You can do better than that.
Probably. But I don’t want to lose my posting privleges here. Good night.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:50 amGoodnight.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:50 amHey deke, before you leave, just one source!
August 19th, 2006 at 1:51 amYeah, I thought so. Cut and Run.!
August 19th, 2006 at 1:53 ambuzzflash:
August 19th, 2006 at 6:16 amThe commander of the batallion involved in the Haditha killing of 24 Iraqis says he didn’t consider the violence unusual and did not initiate an inquiry. Good god, how awful 8/19
???????????????????? So theres going on more like this down there??????????????????????
Worse than Bin Laden? Dubya. Bet on it.
August 19th, 2006 at 6:34 amDidn’t Jesus constantly talk of helping the poor? Guess the Murder Monkey missed that day of Sunday school.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:24 pmNo Minimum Wage Increase For The Poor But A Lot Of Welfare For The Rich(Tax Cuts).
Well, born again idiot.
Yesterday Bush’s Labour party agreed: BUSH IS CRAP.
And for all right wingers who still believe that Bush is The Man.
August 19th, 2006 at 1:37 pmThe whole world agrees that Bush is crap.
The bread is good, but their pate and foie gras sucks. As does their cheeses.
Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:36 pm
I see you have a very under-developed sense of taste that goes perfectly with you under-developed brain… and gaging from the way you toot your own horn, you most probably have an under-developed penis as well. Go make yourself a Spam sandwich with American cheese and a nice tall glass of Kool-Aid to wash your snack down, SON!
August 19th, 2006 at 2:25 pmWonder if they “discussed” that Bush is an idiot.
August 19th, 2006 at 4:03 pmRick Santorum – just like his role model George W Bush, does not support an increase in the minumum wage.
August 19th, 2006 at 4:04 pmSocialism is evil. Would you consider giving out debbie cakes for free? I think not.
August 19th, 2006 at 4:36 pm#507 Jimbo; thanx for the link, LMFAO!!!!
August 19th, 2006 at 5:17 pmUh, it’s not so much that our economy leads the world as it is the banking system that rules us also rules the world.
August 19th, 2006 at 5:35 pmThis means you support it 100%?
Let’s rephrase: “Clinton went into Iraq causing a civil war. And the UN did not sanction the sending of troops.”
August 19th, 2006 at 5:47 pmYour ignorance of socioeconomic systems is showing. If what you say is true, we should attack Sweden. That country has enjoyed a socialist economic system since WWII.
August 19th, 2006 at 6:51 pmOnce again Bush and the GOP have become the “followship” party.
Only when public demand is high to they try to do the right thing; which by definition is the wrong thing.
Walt
August 19th, 2006 at 6:54 pm485 – factor in our healthcare costs to our taxes. If you add all the factors, the net is about the same, but Canada has universal coverage whereas in the United States an injury or illness is the single greatest cause of bankruptcy.
In order to have a valid argument comparing United States taxes and the taxes of other countries which provide universal health care you must add the total true cost of our health care system to our total tax bill. That would include things such as health insurance premiums and co-pays, out-of-pocket expenses…the list is really quite extensive. The “higher tax” argument is only effective with ignorant people. You might have better luck with it if you blogged on right-wing sites.
August 19th, 2006 at 7:00 pmChill, I was being satirical in a very subtle way(notice the word debbie cakes?).
August 19th, 2006 at 10:10 pmI didn’t realise the US economy was in the lead. I always thought Americans were the biggest wasters of the world and economy had something to do with reducing waste. But hey who am I, just a 25 yr old economics graduate. Don’t trust me, believe Bush. He seems to know exactly what it all means when his advisors advise him on everything. They can’t all be wrong can they? lol
August 20th, 2006 at 8:37 amSince when do we want to attack anyone just because they are different? I know we ARE doing just that, but that’s because we are people and thereby plain evil, but it shouldn’t be the goal of our REASON, which is also human. REASON is what should have us all living in peace but REASON is about as near as world peace.
August 20th, 2006 at 8:40 amanybody else getting flagged for spam?
Comment by stonehinge
August 20th, 2006 at 9:03 pm—————-
I was–a lot.
It was my aol connection.
Now if I want to post here,I just get on the net via internet explorer.
No more being flagged,so far.
I honestly can’t believe that you liberals believe this balderhash. Let me tell you a few things about the real world. George Bush was a very successful businessman, he never used drugs or alcohol, and he is only trying to help the working people with his economic policies. Take me, for instance. I am the CEO of a large Texas oil company, and I have to work a torrid week of 3 hours for my meager $14,000,000 salary. That’s barely enough to pay for my great grandkids to go to Harvard on!! And don’t forget about the 45 minute board meetings held on the first Tuesday of every month. They honestly expect me to attend these affairs and shake hands and hobnob with…..ordinary investors! Imagine my outrage! What I am trying to tell you is this, you working class swine, what we want to give you is hope…not a real job. Hell, if we gave you a real job you would want to be joining our country clubs and snorting dope with our daughters. George is just trying to set right the REAL WORLD ORDER through his very equitable policies. Remember, you working class swine, you can watch the party but you won’t be invited to join as long as WE REPUBLICANS ARE IN CONTROL!
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