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Bush Ignores Calling For Minimum Wage Increase On 10-Year Anniversary Of Last Increase»

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    After President Bush met with his economic advisors today, he spoke to the media on the state of the economy:

    We discussed the state of the economy. We discussed where our economy is headed. And we discussed the steps that we’re going to take to ensure that our economy continues to lead the world.

    One important step that Bush didn’t discuss in his speech was an increase in the minimum wage. This Sunday, Aug. 20, marks the 10-year anniversary of the 1996 minimum wage bill — the last time the minimum wage was increased.

    Today, eight million Americans are still living on $5.15 an hour and the federal minimum wage is currently at its lowest level in 51 years. Since President Bush took office, the number of Americans living in poverty has increased by 5.4 million. (Unemployment and poverty rates fell after the 1996 legislation.)

    The Senate recently voted down a wage increase because it was tied, in a political ploy, to a cut in inheritance taxes on multimilllion-dollar estates.

    The American economy can’t continue to lead if eight million people are left behind.




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    466 Responses to “Bush Ignores Calling For Minimum Wage Increase On 10-Year Anniversary Of Last Increase”

    1. TripMaster Monkey Says:

      Cue idiot reighwingnut arguments about how increasing minimum wage hurts the economy by hurting business owners in 3…2…1…


    2. Spudge_Boy Says:

      OT, but you can’t make this sh!t up.

      Bush pardons moonshining ‘Deliverance’ actor
      CNN
      August 18, 2006
      http://www.cnn.com/ 2006/ POLITICS/ 08/ 18/ bush.pardon/ index.html


    3. the real pablo Says:

      w could at least have said something like: “And so many of the people in this situation here, you know, are underprivileged anyway, so this–this (chuckling slightly) is working very well for them.”


    4. Matt Says:

      The House hasn’t allowed a full floor vote on the minimum wage since the last increase went into effect [in 1996]

      Just about the time the Republicans took over the House.


    5. Ho Chi Minh Says:

      “You are the have and the have-mores. Some call you the elite, I call you my base”.-George W. Bush.

      Is anyone surprised here? This administration is a government of the rich, by the rich, and FOR the rich. Everyone else as far as they’re concerned can f*ck off.


    6. Juan C Says:

      And we discussed the steps that we’re going to take to ensure that our economy continues to lead the world.

      and you probably know that SINCE 9/11…
      Heh! These crooks get away with those two numbers everytime.

      :|


    7. lib4 Says:

      Who you kiddiing……..

      Lets face it the the economy is humming along so well….
      THEY DIDNT EVEN NEED TO WEAR TIES!!!!

      WOW!!!


    8. s Says:

      It is time that Americans got something clear. The so called war on terror is a lie as far as a cohesive target…….but more importantly…….there is a war. Just one most people are not aware of..but more are becoming aware of. The war is between the thugs in power and the general populace they are screwing and want divided - they wanted us fighting each other from the beginning. You see…the American people are the right wing crime familys enemy. They want to dominate us and take our resources. One ex: sell off forest land to the rich..then it doesn’t matter if the rest of the country goes to hell..they’ll have their scenic spots owned and secure. They then can build the “rape highway” they have planned ( Governor Perry’s little project) up the middle of this country. How cute. A symbol of divide and conquer loud and clear. Why would Bush / Rove / CrazyCheny / and Rummy want to unite/strengthen this country? Think about it. Would you want to unite your enemies? It would not serve their interests to unite us. So…folks. Keep watchin Jon Benet, be very afraid all the time ( doesn’t matter what of) and just keep quiet like good little slaves. Or …….not.


    9. Juan C Says:

      Caption contest:
      Teletubbies reloaded.


    10. kasinca Says:

      He is drinking…and all this time I gave him the benefit of being a dry drunk. Dubya is drinking…


    11. RUCerious Says:

      This sitting president is not qualified for any job above a minimum wage fast food counter position. His MBA must be a Masterful Bulls**t Artist credential.


    12. marie Says:

      HOW MUCH IS CHENEY MAKING FROM WAR PROFITEERING HALIBURTON? APPALLING THAT THIS PREZ DOESN’T RESPECT THE MIDDLE CLASS IN THIS COUNTRY. TIME TO GIVE THEM ALL THE BOOT!


    13. RUCerious Says:

      Caption contest:
      Snow job and the eight mental midgets


    14. RUCerious Says:

      BTW - Is that Cheney asleep on his feet behind and to the left of the jerk in the center?


    15. marie Says:

      I CERTAINLY HOPE HE IS BACK ON BOOZE; OTHERWISE, HIS PATHETIC SPEECH BLUNDERS AND DISJOINTED THOUGHT PATTERNS BECOME VERY, VERY SCARY. NO WONDER THE BRITS CALL HIS ADMINISTRATION PURE CRAP AND THE CHINESE ARE TELLING US TO SHUT UP. WHO’S NEXT TO SLAP HIM DOWN? UNLESS “WE, THE PEOPLE” BEGIN TO DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY, TRUTH, AND JUSTICE FROM THOSE WHO SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENT US, WE ARE AS MUCH TO BLAME HERE AND RESPECT WILL NEVER BE RETURNED TO WHAT WAS ONCE A GREAT COUNTRY BY THE REST OF THE WORLD. THEY’RE DROPPING US LIKE HOT POTATOES RIGHT NOW.


    16. s Says:

      I agree it’s time to boot them. And it is also past time, not to criticize great wit when I read it, to move past the wise cracks, laughing at chimpy, and zinging the president in all sorts of creative ways. He deserves far greater condemnation ………He deserves our very real anger. And he deserves to lose his job……..the joking time is over as far as I’m concerned. It just doesn’t cut it for me anymore.


    17. marie Says:

      IT IS TIME FOR SOME REAL ANGER BECAUSE IT IS TOTALLY JUSTIFIED. IT MAKES MY HEAD SPIN WHEN I TRY TO ENUMERATE ALL OF THE LIES, STORIES, ILLEGAL ACTIONS, ETC. WHEN IS THIS NONSENSE GOING TO STOP? IT WILL ONLY STOP WHEN THE PEOPLE BEGIN TO DEMAND HONESTY AND ACCOUNTABILITY FROM THEIR PUBLIC SERVANTS; AND, YES, THAT INCLUDES THE PRESIDENT! HE IS OUR ‘HEAD PUBLIC SERVANT’ AND THE BUCK SHOULD ALWAYS STOP THERE UNLESS HE IS A COWARD AND CANNOT HANDLE TAKING THE HEAT OF HIS WRONGDOINGS.


    18. RUCerious Says:

      s - You’re right, but until we elect a Democratic congress in Nov and begin the stain removal process I am going to have as much fun as I can at his expense. Please scroll past my posts if I don’t sound angry enough.


    19. JMiller Says:

      #5: “This administration is a government of the rich, by the rich, and FOR the rich. Everyone else as far as they’re concerned can f*ck off.”

      Nonsense, they don’t want anybody to f*ck off. Don’t you know that “abstinence only” is the wave of the future?


    20. Juan C Says:

      And he deserves to lose his job
      Comment by s — August 18, 2006 @ 5:52 pm

      And a war trial, no better than Saddam. He is a genocide.


    21. s Says:

      RUCerious…..no offense meant. Whatever we need I guess. I’m just sooooooo sickened by him I can’t laugh about it. Maybe you can make me laugh..:)
      It would be appreciated…but prob not possible.
      The pain these hoods have caused is immeasurable.

      I also agree he is a war criminal. ( that wasn’t very funny was it……)
      see? I’m hopeless


    22. katy Says:

      marie, just don’t give yourself a headache! :-]

      anyone listening to air america? tom hartman in for randi today…
      he talks about a plan for a group to get it together to help out with the coming election and voter supprerssion… look for details on monday, he says…

      hey, i’m ready now… this is just about out of control…

      these guys are criminals…


    23. RUCerious Says:

      s- None taken. He is a dark splotch on the history of this great nation. His karma will be dealt with by the appropriate karmic authorities. Until then, our job is damage control and minimization of his evil deeds.


    24. RUCerious Says:

      I think handing he, Cheney, Rummy and Rice over to the Hague for war crimes trials would be the hallmard of the RUCerious platform.


    25. RUCerious Says:

      hallmard? mark…? damn, not only am I not funny, I can’t spellllllll.


    26. Juan C Says:

      I think handing he, Cheney, Rummy and Rice over to the Hague for war crimes trials would be the hallmard of the RUCerious platform.
      Comment by RUCerious — August 18, 2006 @ 6:06 pm

      or you could use just an old guillotine.


    27. Alexander Alt Says:

      But we could have the Democrats raise taxes on everyone who works - excluding the Left, of course - and destroy the economy in quick order.

      Then we can all work for minimum wage. The Democrats would love that one.


    28. Alexander Alt Says:

      WHEN IS THIS NONSENSE GOING TO STOP?

      January 20, 2009. That’s when Bush leaves office.

      Of course, the real nonsense could start if one of those morons in the Demoncratic Party somehow get elected. Now THAT would be a disaster.


    29. s Says:

      :) RUCerious…you got close to bring a smile with that one. Why not Hallturd? That’s better

      I liked the Karma ref. Being a Zen Buddhist, I’m with ya. I shudder to think of the Karmic bills that Bushyboy is going to get in the mail. I almost…almost feel a tad sorry for him. He’s just so out of it.


    30. Alexander Alt Says:

      The House hasn’t allowed a full floor vote on the minimum wage since the last increase went into effect [in 1996]

      Just about the time the Republicans took over the House.

      I know it is hard to confront a liberal with facts, but the GOP took control of the House in January 1995. That was a FULL YEAR before the Congress voted for an increase.

      I know facts are pesky things for a liberal to understand, but at least try to make an effort to know something, for God’s sake.


    31. Alexander Alt Says:

      I shudder to think of the Karmic bills that Bushyboy is going to get in the mail.

      If anyone is going to Hell, it is that liar Clinton. Maybe one day some woman will bite off his dick while he is raping her.


    32. Retired Republican Soldier Says:

      Who in the hell makes $5.15-an-hour? If anyone here is making $5.15 (those of you that do work) you only need walk down the street to McDonalds and make $7.50-an-hour. My recently graduated son washes dishes and buses tables for $10-an-hour.


    33. Alexander Alt Says:

      and you probably know that SINCE 9/11…
      Heh! These crooks get away with those two numbers everytime…

      That’s because we have not had a terror attack since that date, numbnuts.

      We are waiting for the Democrats to take over something, so we can let down our guard and get attacked. The Left would love that.


    34. katy Says:

      don’t bite… not worth it…
      alexander’s bullshit deserves no more time here…


    35. Alexander Alt Says:

      Who in the hell makes $5.15-an-hour?

      Liberals who are either too stupid or too lazy to work.

      This is why they want the government to get them some more money. It makes the limousine liberals feel better to milk businesses of any profit.

      Never ask a liberal about economics. They will merely turn to their friend Karl Marx for advice.


    36. Srubby Speaks The Truth Says:

      Finally some truth and a little humor for your Friday!

      http://www.break.com/ index/ evil_state_of_union.html


    37. RUCerious Says:

      Juan, let me go see if I have one of those in the back forty..


    38. s Says:

      Hey Alexander Alt…..the Pentagon psyops /rove disinformation proram must not be paying you much ($ 5.15 per hr?) to disrupt this post with your drivel. People are way past your level of thinking bud. Get use to it. Maybe you could confuse folks 2 years ago…but we’ve been there done that. Now it’s time to clean up the country after the wild ride the right has taken us all on. Nope. No more. You my dear make absolutely no sense and more and more decent thinking people are catching on to the right wing disease. Move over.


    39. beavercleaver Says:

      Hey Uniter…GET YER LIES STRAIGHT!


    40. RUCerious Says:

      s - what I wouldn’t give to be there at the moment of bush’s passing, to see the look on his spirit when he finds out the “rewards” his conduct in this life has earned him(it)


    41. Gay Bear Says:

      Alexander Alt, go to a rightwing nutjob neocon website where your fallacious comments will be appreciated. Who paid you to come here with these rantings? Why you people bow down to Bush and his nonsense is beyond my understanding. If Bush says it’s so, then you get in lockstep with him without questioning. It makes you happy to keep people down? Are you a billionaire like Bush who has never had to work for and get by on minimum wage? Like Bush, you never knew a soul who had to work for minimum wage? Like Bush, you don’t care about people who aren’t billionaires? Come on, dude. Like Bush, that’s just plain mean spirited.


    42. RUCerious Says:

      Hey - Juan, I found it! Do you want to sell tickets?


    43. Alexander Alt Says:

      Hey Alexander Alt…..the Pentagon psyops /rove disinformation proram must not be paying you much…move over.

      I am sorry - did I say something that challenged your perverted leftwing fantasies?

      I don’t work for the Pentagon or the government. I own my own business here in Florida, where I have to pay employees and balance a budget and run a company. I live in the real world. You, on the other hand, appear to live in a fantasy world.

      Grow up, for God’s sake.

      [Oooh…I said “God.” You must be pissed now.]


    44. UKBristolDave Says:

      #33 - seriously though, at what point have Liberals called for nationalising all industry and banning private enterprise?


    45. Alexander Alt Says:

      “what I wouldn’t give to be there at the moment of bush’s passing.”

      Maybe you can be there when Clinton yanks his dick out of your ass.


    46. Bluedog49 Says:

      Retired Republican, why is it that conservatives almost always like to rely on anecdotal stories to make points? Anecdotes may be interesting, but they’re not that useful as fact. The facts are that when minimum wages go up, poverty-rates decline. Furthermore, the data on minimum wages show that increasing minimum wage in a given area helps the economy in that area. Why? It’s the Henry Ford principle: if people make more money, they buy things.


    47. Alexander Alt Says:

      Alexander Alt, go to a rightwing nutjob neocon website where your fallacious comments will be appreciated.

      You don’t appreciate them?

      How about I respond this “tough shit”?

      You don’t have to “appreciate them.” You can challenge them, or, as I believe, mock them because you have no rational response other than “you are a rightwing nutjob.”

      Typical leftwing nonsense when you have nothing else in that empty vessel you call your brain.


    48. RUCerious Says:

      #34 - BWAHAHAHAHAH!
      ROFLMAO!!!!


    49. s Says:

      Honey…..Alex. Sorry. I thought you worked at the Pentagon because they are so inept that I thought you fit right in.

      As for your human development……it’s behind schedule.
      You need to do an overhaul.


    50. Sharon Cox Says:

      Incoming….The kool aid crew showed up for swing shift…….


    51. Bluedog49 Says:

      There’s a feral pig rooting around on this thread. Don’t feed the feral pig and he’ll move on to another part of the forest.


    52. RUCerious Says:

      #43 - obvious projection, poor Fla business owner. Hey, y’all gonna vote for Katie?


    53. Alexander Alt Says:

      The facts are that when minimum wages go up, poverty-rates decline.

      All reports on this shows just the opposite - because the businesses hardest hit by an increase in the MW lay people off rather than pay them more.

      Furthermore, the data on minimum wages show that increasing minimum wage in a given area helps the economy in that area.

      It also increases unemployment, mostly among people who can least afford it: the working poor.

      Why? It’s the Henry Ford principle: if people make more money, they buy things.

      Not if they get laid off, will they “buy” things. They will go on welfare, and tax the system more than if there was no increase in the MW.


    54. Alexander Alt Says:

      Honey…..Alex. Sorry. I thought you worked at the Pentagon because they are so inept that I thought you fit right in.

      Interesting.

      So you must be a prostitute, because you fit right in, in a whorehouse.


    55. Alexander Alt Says:

      obvious projection, poor Fla business owner.

      Let me know your name, so I can avoid hiring your skany welfare ass.

      Thanks for the warning me about your line of work, streetwalker.


    56. For Truth Says:

      Alexander Alt=Mr. Big


    57. Alexander Alt Says:

      Alexander Alt=Mr. Big

      Thanks for the endorsement! My business competitition will be thrilled to hear that!


    58. Gay Bear Says:

      Maybe you can be there when Clinton yanks his dick out of your ass.

      Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 6:28 pm

      Get your mind off of Clinton, who has not been president for 6 years. For God’s sake (oooh, I said “God” hope that doesn’t piss you off!). The loser in charge now is your fearless leader Bush. No one is going to take you seriously when you post comments like “yanking dicks out of asses.” And you say you’re a business owner? Watch your mouth around your employees or they’ll get you for sexual harassment with that mouth of yours.


    59. clif Says:

      Nonsense, they don’t want anybody to f*ck off. Don’t you know that “abstinence only” is the wave of the future?

      Comment by JMiller — August 18, 2006 @ 5:59 pm

      Unless your a repug pervert or hypocrit cheating on wifey #1 with future wifey #2


    60. RUCerious Says:

      What’s the name of your business so I can report you to the INS for hiring all those illegal immigrants.


    61. s Says:

      hee hee. Guess we did our job with Alt. Got to him.
      Move on, nothing to see here.

      I look forward to the day when reason returns to our great country. When fear and greed aren’t the driving principles of this nation. Every man for himself….brute force etc…just don’t work in creating anything really good. It’s all so ugly. Alty Salty refuses to think deeply…he’s too busy making money and feeling like powerful white guy Americun……….

      Luckily life is always changing. We’re moving, finally, in the right direction.


    62. Gay Bear Says:

      Okay, moderator, here we go again with these freaks who come here to call people whores, scrawny welfare ass, yanking dicks out of asses, etc. This is inappropriate and this poster (Alexander Alt), whoever or whatever it is, does not belong here.


    63. Cheney/Voldemort 2008 Campaign HQ Says:

      Sorry, but American Idle President couldn’t give a flying fuck about those who make just minimum wage; they don’t vote Republican anyway.


    64. Alexander Alt Says:

      What’s the name of your business so I can report you to the INS for hiring all those illegal immigrants.

      And here I thought they were not illegals to you on the Left.

      I don’t have any illegals working for me. I have Hispanics, blacks, and others. But I check their status.

      Oh, I forget - the Left thinks there should be no borders. You must be a racist.


    65. s Says:

      I agree Gay Bear—but it ( the vileness of Alt types) does work if we let it… doesn’t it. It disrupts any truly logical discussion,. That’s what the Bush boys want…a divided…scarping america. So we keep each other busy as they reach deeper and deeper into the collective till and America’s very soul


    66. RUCerious Says:

      In case the feral swine show up again, here’s a good site for hard stats on minimum wage and it’s impact.
      http://www.epinet.org/ content.cfm/ webfeatures_viewpoints_raising_minimum_wage_2004


    67. Alexander Alt Says:

      This is inappropriate and this poster (Alexander Alt), whoever or whatever it is, does not belong here.

      Translation: Damn, someone else comes to challenge our leftwing delusions! How must we deal with this person?

      BAN THEM! This way, we can go back to our comfortable, back-slapping leftwing way of thinking!

      Ban all who do not agree with our twisted liberal thinking! Yeah! That’s the ticket!


    68. RUCerious Says:

      Come on Al, here’s some free advertising! What’s the name of your business, and are you voting for Katie?


    69. Alexander Alt Says:

      It disrupts any truly logical discussion…

      And it could make you have to defend your twisted ideas.

      That could cause you some major embarrassment.

      Yikes.


    70. s Says:

      Not all Alt….not ban ALL

      Just you


    71. Alexander Alt Says:

      Come on Al, here’s some free advertising!

      Yeah, free advertising.

      I need your business like I need a Democrat in the White House.


    72. Alexander Alt Says:

      Not all Alt….not ban ALL. Just you.

      But no one else is here to challenge your twisted thinking.

      So to ban me is to ban those who confront your illogical posts and make you defend them.

      You want that. Of course you do.


    73. RUCerious Says:

      What makes you think I’d patronize your business?
      I’d just like to sic the INS on your ass. Just like warrantless wiretapping. If you haven’t done anything wrong, why would you be afraid?


    74. Alexander Alt Says:

      What makes you think I’d patronize your business?

      I wouldn’t.

      I would hope you would stay far, far away from me and my family. You and your twisted and perverted ideas are a danger to the entire country.


    75. s Says:

      The country is poorer and in dangerous debt
      The world hates us
      The president is a drunk and an idiot
      The Vice president shoots people in the face
      Global warming is not a concern for these thugs in power
      Bush lied us into War
      Bush lost the war
      Bush is not keeping us safe….less safe.
      Americans are fighting each other ( good job “uniter )

      Yawn…..
      should I go on with my twisted ideas Alt?
      I think if you wake up sweetie and look at this country, you might start to get it. might


    76. RUCerious Says:

      The INS isn’t coming after your family, just your business. So what’s the problem here?
      You come onto this site and start slinging sh*t, then when someone calls you on it, you whine like a female dog.


    77. Alexander Alt Says:

      Interesting poll in Connecticut showing that Lieberman is beating the pants off of “Creepy Ned” Lamont, the al-Qaeda/Hamas/Hezbollah candidate who answers “I am against the Iraq war” to every question:

      Reporter: Mr Lamont, what is your ideas on tax reform?

      Lamont: I am against the Iraq war.

      Reporter: What about health insurance?

      Lamont: I am against the Iraq war.

      Reporter: We understand that. How about the Israel-Hezbollah conflict?

      Lamont: I am against the Iraq war. But I am for Hezbollah’s right to defend themselves. I think. But I am against the Iraq war.

      Reporter: Thank you.


    78. Alexander Alt Says:

      The INS isn’t coming after your family, just your business. So what’s the problem here?

      Well, considering that I employ no illegal aliens, I have no problem.

      However, since you and your ilk do not like to “label” people, and that to you there are no such people as “illegals,” you must be a racist for bringing the subject up.

      Racist! You are a racist! Probably a bigot and a homophobe as well!


    79. s Says:

      Yes, the Republican “stategy” has been ( has been cause it ain’t workin anymore) to accuse their opponent ( anyone who is not exactly like them) of the very thing they are guilty of. Alt has not put forward any logical arguments and says we are illogical. So nice that people are now getting this.


    80. Alexander Alt Says:

      Yes, the Republican “stategy”

      is to try and teach people like you to spell correctly.

      Maybe we should make education mandatory for liberals.

      It could work.


    81. Esteban Calderone Says:

      Liberals want to raise taxes which would destroy this nation’s economy. They want to take money away from people because they think they earn too much.


    82. s Says:

      Ooh I pity Alt when the Dems come into power. He’s NOT going to be a happy puppy. I don’t know what he’ll do……


    83. Alexander Alt Says:

      Darn! Where did all the liberals go?

      Did I make them leave?

      Shoot. You make a liberal defend their ideas, and they flee the room.

      I would flee the room too if I had to defend leftwing nonsense.


    84. clif Says:

      Alexander Alternate reality….good repug spin is soo 2004 …try and keep up son the American people ain’t buying that OLD BULLSH*T any more…..


    85. RUCerious Says:

      Well then, please tell us racist labelers the name of your company.


    86. Esteban Calderone Says:

      #74 -

      The lastest polling gives Ned Lamont a 26% approval rating in CT. That’s pretty good, for a liberal.


    87. Alexander Alt Says:

      Ooh I pity Alt when the Dems come into power.

      I have seen Dems in power, and I have seen Republicans in power.

      All either party can do is fix the edges of the policy. They can’t change the game.

      And the game is capitalism.

      If the Dems ever really try to destroy capitalism, they will be thrown completely out of power.


    88. Esteban Calderone Says:

      Ooh I pity Alt when the Dems come into power.

      What century is that going to be? You guys pretty much ruined hopes of that with 8 years of that horndog Billy Boy Clinton.


    89. Alexander Alt Says:

      try and keep up son the American people ain’t buying that OLD BULLSH*T any more….

      You are not think as you drunk you are.

      Go take your meds and lay down, bubbeleh. You need a good 2 days to sober up.


    90. RUCerious Says:

      Actually, Alt is a dishwasher at Denny’s. Otherwise he’d tell us the name of his company.


    91. Juizzee Says:

      #51 “All reports on this shows just the opposite”

      Please give an example. Shouldn’t be hard to find since it is “all” reports, afterall.

      I’ve read many analyses that show an uptick in the economy with increases in the minimum wage (in many countries, not just U.S.).


    92. Esteban Calderone Says:

      If the Dems ever really try to destroy capitalism

      Havne’t they already? Kerry wanted to raise taxes to pay for all of his welfare programs.


    93. Esteban Calderone Says:

      Actually, Alt is a dishwasher at Denny’s.

      Actually, he probably isn’t because that would make him a liberal Democrat.


    94. Alexander Alt Says:

      Actually, Alt is a dishwasher at Denny’s.

      Once again, you denigrate a group of people - now it is dishwashers.

      What next? Do you hate blacks? Gays? People who mow lawns at golf courses?

      You are nothing but a racist homophobe hater of working people!

      Down with your kind! Hater!


    95. UKBristolDave Says:

      Alexander Alt

      I still don’t understand how Democrats are trying to destroy capitalism. Can you explain please?

      Thanks


    96. RUCerious Says:

      #51 - see #63


    97. Alexander Alt Says:

      Kerry wanted to raise taxes to pay for all of his welfare programs.

      Kerry’s wife could pay for welfare in this country just from selling one or two of her mansions.

      Maybe Johnny Boy can sell his faked military decorations on eBay to pay for his next failing campaign for President.


    98. s Says:

      ha ha ha. Good RUCerious. He ( Alt :) is a good speller who had emotional problems so had to settle for Denny’s. I gave him a list of ideas back a ways and of course, he didn’t address one. He’s a fake…full of hot air. Don’t let the door get cha on the way out……Alt.

      Gore/Feingold 08


    99. RUCerious Says:

      Au contraire, my first job was a dishwasher, a fine profession.
      What’s the name of your company?


    100. clif Says:

      Noi alternate boy just LYING repug operatives who continue to defend a stupid drunk war criminal…sort of like the volkstrum in germany in 45


    101. RUCerious Says:

      Poor alt. More projection. I love everyone. How’s the weather in FL?


    102. Esteban Calderone Says:

      He’s a fake…full of hot air. Don’t let the door get cha on the way out

      Sounds like any Democrat who has ever run for Presdient.


    103. Alexander Alt Says:

      I still don’t understand how Democrats are trying to destroy capitalism. Can you explain please?

      Oh, they could continue to raise taxes on people who work, on businesses, on the income of retirees, on everyone but their poorest constituents.

      As we have seen with the deficit going down with tax cuts, the more you raise taxes on a national basis, the higher the deficit goes without offsetting cuts in spending, and the more the taxes impact economy growth.

      That’s called Economics 101.


    104. Esteban Calderone Says:

      I still don’t understand how Democrats are trying to destroy capitalism. Can you explain please?

      Soaking everybody, everthing with higher taxes. If it moves, Dems want to tax it. They even want to tax you when you die.


    105. clif Says:

      Maybe Johnny Boy can sell his faked military decorations on eBay to pay for his next failing campaign for President.

      Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:02 pm

      So the department of the NAVY under Richard Nixon is selling “fake” medals son?


    106. Alexander Alt Says:

      Noi alternate boy just LYING repug operatives who continue to defend a stupid drunk war criminal

      Uh, Clif, you sound like that the 10 drink limit at the corner pub was allowed to be doubled by you.

      Either that, or man are you one dumb a$$hole.


    107. RUCerious Says:

      Alt, oh yeah, by the way, what’s the name of your company?
      “Well, considering that I employ no illegal aliens, I have no problem.”


    108. Esteban Calderone Says:

      stupid drunk war criminal

      John Murtha?


    109. Alexander Alt Says:

      So the department of the NAVY under Richard Nixon is selling “fake” medals son?

      Sorry, Cliffy Boy, but you need to get updated from events from 3 years ago.

      Johnny Boy threw his original decorations away, but somehow has them in his Senate office. Now either he threw fakes away, or he has fakes now.

      Understand this concept?


    110. s Says:

      Alt…get some help Really.


    111. Esteban Calderone Says:

      So the department of the NAVY under Richard Nixon is selling “fake” medals son?

      Kerry faked all his. He got shot in the ass and got a medal.


    112. Juizzee Says:

      #100. I think you mean Voodoo Economics 101.


    113. RUCerious Says:

      Alt, you really need a clue.
      Medal replacements are available on request from the office of military records in St Louis.
      Try again, and by the way, what’s the name of your company?


    114. clif Says:

      No son just a vet who hates lying chicken hawks who attack people who went…Kerry spent 16 months in Vietnam…and defend those who didn’t…Bush flew planse defending the Gulf of Mexico from the VC…when he


    115. Alexander Alt Says:

      Kerry faked all his. He got shot in the ass and got a medal.

      Actually, some of the guys her served with in Vietnam, when he wasn’t running guns to Cambodia when he wasn’t running guns to Cambodia, said that they believed that Kerry’s wound was self-inflicted.

      The dumb bastard couldn’t even shoot himself correctly. He should have aimed right between his eyes.


    116. RUCerious Says:

      Oh, by the way, Steve and Al, this is a thread about minimum wage.
      but, but Clinton, but, but Kerry.
      Oh, and Al, what’s your company’s name?


    117. Alexander Alt Says:

      No son just a vet who hates lying chicken hawks who attack people who went.

      My God! So, you voted for Bob Dole in 1996? When he was running against Chickenhawk Bill Clinton?

      That’s incredible!


    118. Esteban Calderone Says:

      lying chicken hawks

      You must be talking about the Breck Girl, John Edwards.


    119. Alexander Alt Says:

      but, but Clinton, but, but Kerry.

      Lots of “buts” there, buddy.

      You may have a tushy fetish.

      Get some help for it, and don’t share it with the rest of us.


    120. marie Says:

      Republicans all use DARVO: Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim & Offender - when they are cornered. We got that game down pat now. You can see it in full flagrantia here on this blog, can’t you? Sad, indeed.


    121. Esteban Calderone Says:

      Medal replacements are available on request from the office of military records in St Louis.

      Except Kerry got his on ebay.


    122. clif Says:

      Kerry faked all his. He got shot in the ass and got a medal.

      Comment by Esteban Calderone

      son you do not ‘fake’ paper work that takes you commanders signarture…and his comanders endorcement..and a general officers signature and each level of commander fact checking. Sorry but those of us who served…especially those of us WHJO were a company commander in combat ..know a bit about the process…but GUTLESS repug chicken hawks knbwo NOTHING about what really happens in the military or combat


    123. Esteban Calderone Says:

      what’s your company’s name

      Kicking Liberal Ass, Inc.?


    124. Alexander Alt Says:

      Republicans all use DARVO

      It beats Democrats who use VIAGRA and CRACK.


    125. RUCerious Says:

      Al, how’s the weather in Seminole?


    126. Esteban Calderone Says:

      son you do not ‘fake’ paper work that takes you commanders signarture…

      Some say Kerry signed that form himself. I wouldn’t doubt it. He wanted to get his Ivy League ass out of Vietnam.


    127. Alexander Alt Says:

      Clinton didn’t support the war.

      Do you mean to tell me that when Clinton put himself in the draft and then went to England to protest the war he did not initially support the war?

      And that he did not somehow support sending American boys to fight in the middle of a civil war in Bosnia and Kosovo?

      That is amazing.


    128. marie Says:

      Estaban knows so much about ebay medals, hmmm…


    129. Juizzee Says:

      Okay. That’s enough. The “Kerry got his [medals] on ebay” comment just broke the camel’s back. It’s almost like these rightys are mad that any policy is being discussed or debated.


    130. UKBristolDave Says:

      Alexander Alt

      Thanks for coming back to me. I was just looking for input so was there any need for the sarcy “Economics 101″ comment? I was trying to keep it civil.


    131. Esteban Calderone Says:

      a chickenhawk is someone who supports war but doesn’t go.

      John Edwards, Evan Byah, Joe Biden.


    132. Alexander Alt Says:

      Al, how’s the weather in Seminole?

      Hot, rainy, and always like a wet blanket.

      Come vacation in Florida. We could use your money, and besides we offer to visitors the chads from when Al Gore tried to steal the 2000 election.


    133. marie Says:

      DARVO - AlexanderAlt…you’re the classic example now for everyone on the blog to see. Bringing Clinton into the discussion is ridiculous….stay on topic and get your head out of past history, please.


    134. Esteban Calderone Says:

      #124-

      You are a dumbass chicken hawk.


    135. Gregor Samsa Says:

      Some say Kerry signed that form himself.
      Comment by Esteban Calderone — August 18, 2006 @ 7:14 pm

      Now, this is beyond silly…

      Is there a point in engaging Mr. Calderone?


    136. Alexander Alt Says:

      I was just looking for input so was there any need for the sarcy “Economics 101″ comment? I was trying to keep it civil.

      Sorry about that.

      I would be happy to have a civil conversation with anyone who wants to truly discuss MW policy, without having that “rightwing thug” crap thrown in my face.


    137. RUCerious Says:

      TaTa, gotta run, and Al, good luck on that feral pig thing!


    138. marie Says:

      AlexanderAlt knows all about corruption since he lives in Florida - say Katherine Harris and stolen election slowly.


    139. Esteban Calderone Says:

      Dole did commercials for Viagra, dumbass, and the last time I checked, he’s a republican.

      Dole is in his 80’s, you sick freak. Clinton was in the white house popping Viagra looking for interns. He’s a horny bastard.


    140. Alexander Alt Says:

      Bringing Clinton into the discussion is ridiculous.

      Not at all.

      Clinton was President during the time from 1996 until he left office in January 2001 to use his influence to push for increased MW legislation.

      How many times did he do it? Let me know if you can find out.


    141. clif Says:

      It beats Democrats who use VIAGRA and CRACK.

      Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:12 pm

      no son that would be the limpman himself…


    142. For Truth Says:

      Alexander is posting the points predicted from the beginning of the thread. Does he read the posts?


    143. Esteban Calderone Says:

      Esteban, how many of your former comrades would stand up and say you saved their lives, dumbass?

      More than would for draft dodging Bill Clinton.


    144. UKBristolDave Says:

      No worries Alexander. Love to discuss but it’s half midnight in the UK and I need some sleep. I think it’s fair to say we’re going to disagree on economic policy but each to their own. Thanks for responding.


    145. Alexander Alt Says:

      AlexanderAlt knows all about corruption since he lives in Florida - say Katherine Harris and stolen election slowly.

      Nah. Harris certified the election after THREE recounts.

      Blame Al Gore…oops, and Joe Lieberman!…for asking for recounts in three counties CONTROLLED BY LEFTWING DEMOCRATS. I should know - I live in one of them,

      They tried to get 3 election boards to increase vote totals that didn’t exist.

      That’s called theft. And the USSC prohibited it.


    146. marie Says:

      What Clinton did with his sex life is of no interest to me; what this administration has done to destroy this country is of tremendous importance to me - ‘nuf said?


    147. clif Says:

      Some say Kerry signed that form himself. I wouldn’t doubt it. He wanted to get his Ivy League ass out of Vietnam.

      Comment by Esteban Calderone — August 18, 2006 @ 7:14 pm

      Shows Just how desperate you FOOPLES are now, because nobody including the officers who did sign the awards claimed that in 2004….must suck to be a repug seeing 1994 repeat itself…but the dems are coming this time…and you clowns are POWERLESS to stop it


    148. Alexander Alt Says:

      No worries Alexander. Love to discuss but it’s half midnight in the UK and I need some sleep.

      Good to hear from you.

      I was in London on 7/7 last year headed to Heathrow. I was on the bus that was blown up 30 minutes before it happened.

      I missed getting killed by a half hour.


    149. Esteban Calderone Says:

      how many American boys died in Kosovo?

      Not sure. But a lot of civilians did. Clinton is a war criminal.


    150. marie Says:

      You need to go to blackboxvoting.org or bradblog.com to see what really happened both in Florida AND Ohio if you want the unvarnished truth. Don’t believe a thing AlexanderAlterEgo says.


    151. Esteban Calderone Says:

      but the dems are coming this time…and you clowns are POWERLESS to stop it

      The Dems are coming to raise everybody’s taxes.


    152. Alexander Alt Says:

      You need to go to blackboxvoting.org or bradblog.com to see what really happened both in Florida AND Ohio if you want the unvarnished truth.

      No, you need to see the various investigations done by newspapers after the 2000 election - all concluded that Gore lost the election fairly. Hell, even the Dems in the US Senate never challenged the election, including Hillary Clinton.

      And as for Ohio in 2004, John Kerry has never said there was fraud. At least I don’t think he has - if you have a link to a story, let me see it.


    153. marie Says:

      This blog is crawling with trolls - time for non-DARVO’s to go to alternate, intellectual blogs.


    154. Esteban Calderone Says:

      Esteban, you seem to have an inordinante interest in Clinton’s cock. Just who is the “sick freak” here?

      You sound like a homo by mentioning Clinton’s private.


    155. marie Says:

      Alexander…shovel the drivel elsewhere. We don’t buy it here!


    156. For Truth Says:

      AAAHHHHH, the sky will fall if minimum wage increases, it will destroy the economy, its Clinton’s fault, AHHHHHHH……..


    157. Esteban Calderone Says:

      What Clinton did with his sex life is of no interest to me

      Except when it comes to defending his lying. Then Dems bring up his sex life. He was only lying about sex they say.


    158. Alexander Alt Says:

      Clinton was fulfilling his NATO treaty obligations. Not fulfilling your treaty obligations is a crime. Treaties lawfully signed are U.S. law, dumbass.

      Nothing in the NATO treaty says that the US had to send troops to Kosovo and/or Bosnia.

      Neither were signatories to the NATO treaty.

      And Kosovo was a “civil war.” How come the Left supported Clinton sending troops there, especially when the UN never sanctioned the sending of forces?

      Answer me that one.


    159. Esteban Calderone Says:

      This blog is crawling with trolls

      For Truth, Bluedog49, Cliff…


    160. marie Says:

      All the trolls do is change the subject because they have nothing positive to add that their party has done in 6 years! What a joke!


    161. Alexander Alt Says:

      This blog is crawling with trolls.

      Well, then, Marie, maybe your next customer is here for his massage.


    162. For Truth Says:

      Maybe, these boys are afraid to raise the Min Wage because they know the economy is really being presented by David Copperfield’s magic. And maybe the economy really can’t take a raise in Min Wage, being much more fragile than our boys in office would want people to know about. But hey, they can always blame the Democrats if a min wage raise ends up breaking the last economic straw.


    163. clif Says:

      No son the Democrats are coming to end the Borrow and spent of the repugs who have almost bankrupted the country.

      Bush ET AT have borrowed enough money frtom the chinese that our interest payments on the debt we owe them almost pays their DEFENSE budget….I’m sure the chinese citizens appreciate the fact that the american citizens are paying their defense budget.


    164. Esteban Calderone Says:

      129,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed. Is Bush a war criminal?

      No, but John Kerry and Bill Clinton are.


    165. Alexander Alt Says:

      Clinton is a war criminal.

      I disagree. I supported Clinton on sending forces there.

      Plenty on the Left did as well, in worse conditions and without UN approval.

      But when a Democrat did it, it was fine with them.


    166. For Truth Says:

      Alexander, do you utilize Asian “massages” and other professional services, you seem to easily think of that.


    167. Esteban Calderone Says:

      you have an inordinate interest in clinton’s cock.

      No, but you and Monica do.


    168. marie Says:

      can’t take the heat here can you, Alexander TheGreat?


    169. Alexander Alt Says:

      NATO asked the U.S. for help in stopping the genocide of Muslim citizens in that part of europe. What part of that don’t you understand?

      The NATO treaty involves the signatories only. For Europe to “ask” us to get involved in a war not involving any of the signatories, when they were too timid or too dumb to send help themselves, shows how weak Europe is.

      We see it now, that France and Italy and Germany are too lazy to send forces to Lebanon.


    170. marie Says:

      DARVO: deny, attack, reverse victim & offender - the Republican Mantra


    171. Juan C Says:

      How come the Left supported Clinton sending troops there, especially when the UN never sanctioned the sending of forces?
      Answer me that one.
      Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:25 pm

      The left???? Sorry, but there is no left in the US.


    172. Esteban Calderone Says:

      No son the Democrats are coming to end the Borrow and spent of the repugs who have almost bankrupted the country.

      The Democrats are coming to bring back the 75% marginal rate under Jimmy Carter. They are going to hit you hard in new taxes, son.


    173. Alexander Alt Says:

      can’t take the heat here can you, Alexander TheGreat?

      Well, no one has ever called me that before, missy. I am honored.

      However, I have been here all along, taking “the heat.”

      Dish out legitimate heat. Argue a point. Let me argue the opposite point.

      That’s called debate. Its the way we do things in America.

      Or is everyone afraid to debate? Is it easier to dismiss someone you do not agree with as “a troll”?


    174. Juan C Says:

      shows how weak Europe is.
      Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:29 pm

      You mean the Euro against the dollar?


    175. Alexander Alt Says:

      The left???? Sorry, but there is no left in the US.

      Uh, okay.

      Can you explain that one for me?


    176. Juan C Says:

      No, but you and Monica do.
      Comment by Esteban Calderone — August 18, 2006 @ 7:28 pm

      Great post. Keep it up.


    177. Esteban Calderone Says:

      If you don’t feed a feral pig, he will move on to another part of the forest.

      So then move on and quit whining for slop.


    178. Gregor Samsa Says:

      Neither were signatories to the NATO treaty.
      Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:25 pm

      If you are saying the US is not a member of NATO, you are very wrong. The United States has been a member of NATO since its creation in the 40s:

      These talks resulted in the North Atlantic Treaty, which was signed in Washington, DC on 4 April 1949. It included the five Treaty of Brussels states, United States, Canada, Portugal, Italy, Norway, Denmark and Iceland.
      NATO


    179. Alexander Alt Says:

      You mean the Euro against the dollar?

      No - utilizing the militaries of the once great nations of Europe.

      They couldn’t stop the slaughter in Bosnia and Kosovo, and they said they would send forces to Lebanon to enforce the cease-fire and are now backing down like the weaklings that they are.

      Including Jacques Chirac, that criminal.


    180. Juan C Says:

      Can you explain that one for me?
      Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:31 pm

      What do you mean in your post as the left? You mean Dems? Not in a lifetime. Probably moderates, but left…come on, you have to go to Europe…and no, it is not the Labor Party.


    181. For Truth Says:

      I like French toast, French fries, French kissing, and French cut greenbeans.


    182. Alexander Alt Says:

      If you are saying the US is not a member of NATO, you are very wrong.

      Who said that?

      I said that Bosnia and Kosovo were not signatories.

      The NATO treaty only specified that NATO countries would come to each other’s aid.

      We did not have NATO obligations to go into Bosnia or Kosovo.


    183. Juan C Says:

      utilizing the militaries of the once great nations of Europe
      You mean when they plundered and divided Africa? Yeah, great nations.


    184. Alexander Alt Says:

      What do you mean in your post as the left? You mean Dems? Not in a lifetime. Probably moderates, but left…

      Are you saying to me that the likes of CodePink, or ANSWER, or the ACLU, are not “left wing”?

      My God, don’t tell me that those are not left wing groups. Do not say that.


    185. Juan C Says:

      So, the prudent thing to do is to ignore you.
      Comment by Bluedog49 — August 18, 2006 @ 7:33 pm

      Give him a chance. He probably lighten up a little. He seems pretty uptight.


    186. Alexander Alt Says:

      I like French toast, French fries, French kissing, and French cut greenbeans.

      The bread is good, but their pate and foie gras sucks. As does their cheeses.


    187. Esteban Calderone Says:

      NATO asked the U.S. for help in stopping the genocide of Muslim citizens in that part of europe.

      Saddam killed more of his own people. But libs are against removing Saddam from power.


    188. clif Says:

      And the sky dive to trillions of debt started with Reagan which we have not even come clkose to paying off…and Bill Clinton was the only President to even make a real attempt to control the deficet, bush just uses the knowledge that allowed him th bankrupt three companies to bankrupt the federal government pushing it SO far in debt that it has no descresionary funds left…and the rich can sit back and collect interest on money they :loaned” to the government instead of paying it in taxes


    189. Sharon Cox Says:

      Say ,all but the trolls. Your waisting your timre on these two kool aid drinkers. Their children playing with their dad’s computers or MA…They think an 11 trillion dollar borrowed and spent debt is a good thing and they are throwing stupid shit at Dem’s….Their ideas are beyond ignorant, blaming and name calling dem. representatives for viagra and crack, bla. bla. Bull shit..The truth is our white house is occupied by a drunken crack whore that has sold his country and people out to the highest Hallaburton bidder…….Ignore these fakers and dump them, not worth our time………Blessings


    190. Juan C Says:

      My God, don’t tell me that those are not left wing groups. Do not say that.
      Comment by Alexander Alt — August 18, 2006 @ 7:35 pm

      I wont. There is no left in the US, except from some unheard voices: Chomsky, for example. He is more an anarchist, in my opinion.


    191. Alexander Alt Says:

      Give him a chance. He probably lighten up a little. He seems pretty uptight.

      Not uptight at all. I desire some debate.

      Maybe you can see that if you intelligently argue your points, you get an intelligent response from the other side. But when you call names and use “Bushboy” and other baloney, you get the same thing in return.

      I told this to plenty of my friends who use every name in the book for Clinton. I told them it was self-defeating. Nixon once said that if you hate, you come back to hating yourself. He was right, at least about that.


    192. Alexander Alt Says:

      They DID stop the slaughter, dumbass. That’s what happened. Do you think we forgot already?

      Once more, the name calling.

      The slaughter went on for years, sir. As it is happening in Darfur and the Sudan right now.

      Nothing was done then, and nothing is done now. You may want to hate Bush, but he has tried to get the UN - and Kofi Annan - to end the slaughter in Darfur, and none of those grand European nations wish to get off their fannies.


    193. Esteban Calderone Says:

      The bread is good, but their pate and foie gras sucks. As does their cheeses.

      I’ll never buy another French wine again. Napa valley or Austrialian is what I buy now.


    194. Juan C Says:

      I told this to plenty of my friends who use every name in the book for Clinton.

      Ok, buddy. Forget about Dems and Reps, good and bad, and those things. I dont support either of them.


    195. Esteban Calderone Says:

      They DID stop the slaughter, dumbass.

      Reverse ethnic cleasing is happening now.


    196. hap Says:

      Would that be the “swedish” or the “swiss miss” type of massage? Ask Cheney’s mistress (Pam Willeford) who was there at the shooting incident. Maybe she can help you out when it comes to massages.


    197. Alexander Alt Says:

      I’ll never buy another French wine again. Napa valley or Austrialian is what I buy now.

      I have friends in England who tell me, “I hate the Frogs more than the Krauts.”

      Now THAT is funny, considering the Blitz happened 60+ years ago and the French invasions happened hundreds of years ago.


    198. Esteban Calderone Says:

      and Bill Clinton was the only President to even make a real attempt to control the deficet

      Thanks to the Republican congress and Newt Gingrich.


    199. Juan C Says:

      The slaughter went on for years, sir. As it is happening in Darfur and the Sudan right now.

      with US allowance, I must say. Milosevic was an IMF boy on the verge of being thrown of by a work