Iraq Forced To Import Oil To Tackle Shortages
Paul Wolfowitz, 3/27/03:
There’s a lot of money to pay for this that doesn’t have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people…and on a rough recollection, the oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years. … We’re dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.
AP, 8/17/06:
Iraq has doubled the money allocated for importing oil products in August and September to tackle the country’s worst fuel shortage since Saddam Hussein’s 2003 ouster, a senior Iraqi official said Thursday. Even though Iraq has the world’s third-largest proven oil reserves, it is forced to depend on imports because of an acute shortage of refined products such as gasoline, kerosene and cooking gas. Sabotage of pipelines by insurgents, corruption and aging refineries have been blamed.
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Another Neo Con job pipedream busted!!!!!!
August 18th, 2006 at 11:54 amIraq…. importing oil….
That’s like Wisconsin running out of cheese. Maine importing lobster.
I would like to see a democratic majority in Congress asap, and not for any sense of retribution - someone needs to give us an unbiased assessment of WTF is going on in a country “floating on an ocean of oil” that requires them to import crude.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:55 amIs it ok yet to openly hate the Bush regime, or do I still have to be polite?
August 18th, 2006 at 11:56 amAnd people talk about how Wolfowitz is the smart guy, the Neocon genius. What a load of tripe.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:56 amPure, concentrated irony.
Made with pride in the U.S.A..
August 18th, 2006 at 11:56 amMore money for the interational oil men won’t discourage W, I’m sure. All the easier to “starve the beast” at home and remake the ME in the image of the neocons.
August 18th, 2006 at 11:59 amLeave it to Bush ..
Not able to find OIL in Texas…and ends up forcing the Iraqi’s to go outside their country for OIL…..must be some “special” kind of genius there
August 18th, 2006 at 12:02 pmThe republicans are management geniuses.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:03 pmWhat an insightful,far-sighted bunch this Bush administration was/is.
The Keystone cops of government.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:04 pmHummph. Sean Hannity’s claim before our invasion that we would be using Iraqi oil to pay for the rebuilding might be in jeopardy.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:05 pmhehe, you can tell Bush has been making business decisions for Iraq’s oil industry.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:07 pm“It was good enuf fer my oil company I used ta own, it’s good enuf fer Iraq” —- King George
It’s time for these nut jobs to hand over the keys (and I don’t mean Alan). Every fear pushed down our throats for this war has turned out to be false. This administration has gone far enough in the wrong direction. we need the voices of the average american to rise up over the slanted sound bites and fearmongering rants. “You have nothing to fear but fear itself”. Great words from a great american. Oh yeah, he was also a Democrat.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:07 pmA few more years of Bush administration-style help to Iraq, and Iraqis will find themselves importing sand, too.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:08 pmBush is an idiot, what’s next importing cattle to Texas?
August 18th, 2006 at 12:11 pm#9 Joe Sixpack the “Iraqi Oil” is paying for Hannity and other repugs rebuilding their houses, boats, bank accounts…they have a lot of rebuilding to do. Hell Cheney is helping rebuild Halliburton…wolfy was just being a wee bit coy in his testimony
August 18th, 2006 at 12:11 pmi’m sure iraqis will need to import sand, since america has dumped all that depleted uranium there.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:13 pmThis is classic neo-colonialism. You drain the natural resource, crude oil, and then you force the colony to buy back manufactured products.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:14 pmPaul Wolfowitz is obviously a financial visionary. He should head up some big bank or something.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:14 pmHmmm… puts more stress on global supply, driving up overall prices, sounds like a winner to me. And think of the oil being saved by not being able to be used, this whole fighting over oil thing can be prolonged!
Seems to be according to the plan.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:14 pmDoes anyone know of a compiled list of what the neocons said before the war and what they are saying now. I see individual ones like above but would like to see a comprehensive list from Fox, The National Review, the administration and the like.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:15 pmThat’s like Wisconsin running out of cheese. Maine importing lobster.
Illinois importing soybeans and corn, Idaho importing potatoes, Texas importing nutjobs
August 18th, 2006 at 12:15 pmAmazing.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:18 pmEven when it looks impossible that it’ll get any worse, it does.
Complete and utter failures, this batch of Republicans.
And the country finally realizes that they have to go.
Some might say that Republicans are total idiots.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:23 pmRepublicans. The could’ve, would’ve should’ve party.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:26 pmRepublicans are so far out there that they have left America. If you don’t know the difference between the two parties then you have a lot of reading to do.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:33 pmrepublicans are fascist.
lookup Mussolini’s writings.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:38 pmYET ANOTHER UNFULFILLED PROMISE FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
You would think the liberal media would maybe mention the rosy scenarios that were presented to us prior to the war ….and how those rosy predictions have turned out….
August 18th, 2006 at 12:40 pmMore evidence that this country is being run by an Administration with the lowest collective IQ in US history. Look around the world today, this is what happens when stupid, arrogant Republicans get too much control of our system.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:45 pmboo hoo
(did i say boo? seems time for you to be running scared)
and remember, the twin towers fell on republican watch.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:46 pmWe are not your darlings, sweetie. If you would stop reading “The Republican-Fascist Daily” you might learn something. Republicans want their fuhrer to have all the power and want to destroy anyone who disagrees with them. That is fascism.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:48 pm[…] Think Progress - Iraq Forced To Import Oil To Tackle Shortages […]
August 18th, 2006 at 12:50 pmjust like a republican, throw insults when simple truth is stated.
the twin towers fell on republican watch.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:50 pmArmstrong, do you beleive there were no differences between Gore and Bush? How about between Kerry and Bush? Almost every Democrat favors some form of universal healthcare, rolling back huge tax cuts for the wealthy, more accountability for the Bush administration, beefing up funding for education and helping the poor, re-evaluating our tax policies which encourage off-shoring jobs, and spending more time fighting the real terrorists instead of staying in Iraq. Most Repubs don’t agree with these things. Don’t these things count as differences to you? Here’s an idea: vote for the Dem, give them control of congress, wait a couple of months and then, if you’re not satisfied, complain about the Dems.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:51 pmWe are not stupid, dumbass. The Republicans chose to ignore intelligence warnings because they are…well not very intelligent. They would rather read “My Pet Goat” than be bothered by a few towers being destoryed.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:51 pmdid you get your prozac this morn?
August 18th, 2006 at 12:53 pmi’ld rather ask you
August 18th, 2006 at 12:54 pmarmstrong you seem to be high on meth. I suggest you take a chill pill and calm down. Ranting will not get you anywhere.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:54 pmthat’s right, pun intended, switch the topic.
typical republican crap. when the going gets tough, just make crap up!
August 18th, 2006 at 12:56 pmarmstrong: “and remember, the twin towers fell on republican watch….??? No !!!
On american watch! Not a party issue stupid!”
Sorry, armstrong, but there were huge differences between the way Bush and Clinton dealt with the various threats. When the system was “blinking red” for Clinton in 1999, he went nuts. He ordered the heads of the CIA, NSA and the FBI to meet with him every week. He exorted the leaders to “shake the trees” in their respective orgainizations to keep people vigilant. The millenium bombing plot was thwarted. When Bush took over, he ignored the suggestions from Clinton’s people that they should concentrate on bin Laden. When he was presented with a breifing titled “bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S.” he said “alright you covered your ass” to the CIA officer making the presentation and went back to his 30 day vacation. His administration ignored 55 separate FAA messages that dealt with possible terrorist activity. The worst attack on American soil in history happened on Bush’s watch.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:57 pmBush is not an idiot..idiots are actually smarter,
> Leave it to Bush ..
> Not able to find OIL in Texas…and ends up forcing the Iraqi’s to go outside their > country for OIL…..must be some “special†kind of genius there
Hey man, I dont laugh that easily; but this is funny.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:57 pmSince when are you taking sides? I thought you just said that we were all “Americans”???
August 18th, 2006 at 12:58 pmi’m sure you are waiting.
i also hear if sybil is hit hard enough, one can witness the personality changes in real time.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:59 pmWhen the democrats will be in power tell me what it will be different?
Comment by amstrong — August 18, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
This is a hypothetical. Let’s stick to the facts, shall we?
9/11 happened under Pres Bush’s watch. The Iraq invasion and occupation happened under Pres Bush’s watch. The current gigantic deficit has occurred under Pres Bush’s watch and as a consequence of his reckless domestic and foreign policies.
Republicans have spent all this time telling us they are in charge, that Pres Bush is the leader, and that any success was thanks to him and his party. Now that things are turning sour, it’s everyone’s fault? Riight.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:59 pmSo, Mighty A, I take it by your post that history is irrelevant. Is that your argument. I could have sworn I heard somebody say, “those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.”
August 18th, 2006 at 1:00 pmWhat would be different #48 is the covers will be blown off this administrations fear machine. Billions won’t be thrown into a country half way around the world when budgets for homeland security are being cut. New Orleans will be addressed as a national problem and proper time and resources will be put into rebuilding it instead of empty promises.
If a war is immenant, then a national consensus and sacrifice will be openly discussed instead of tax cuts.
That is just for starters.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:00 pmit’s also difficult to drive a car without hands on a wheel.
why did republicans let america get attacked?
August 18th, 2006 at 1:01 pmSo amstrong, you were talking about a terrorist attack. You said there was no difference between Dems and Repubs. I offered a couple arguments that there were differences. Now, you want to talk about a phony, bullshit impeachment. You are simply full of shit!
August 18th, 2006 at 1:02 pmyes, there are snakes on this plane
August 18th, 2006 at 1:02 pmBuckley Roberts,
> Texas importing nutjobs
LOL.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:03 pmThere is a feral pig rooting around on this thread. Don’t feed the feral pig and he will move to another part of the forest.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:03 pmBluedog49 should we start talking about Clinton impeachment and why ? Linda Tripp role and Monica? Cuz it’s a long story do you have the afternoon free?
Comment by amstrong
Oh, yeah, sure, why not? Getting a Blow job is so much worst than lying to get us into a war, Disclosing the identety of a covert cia agent, torturing people and thumbing their nose at international and US law, illegally wiretapping without a warrant. And that is just the tip of the iceburg.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:04 pmyou are right Bluedog49
August 18th, 2006 at 1:04 pmNow if progs could only start accurately predicting the FUTURE, […]
Comment by mighty aphrodite — August 18, 2006 @ 12:58 pm
Yeah, it’s not as if anyone said invading Iraq was a bad idea, or that Hussein had no WMD, or that he was not a threat to the US. And nobody ever said the war & occupation would cost billions, and that many more troops would be needed for many years to come.
Yeah, nobody ever said any of that.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:07 pmtake your meds and take a nap while you are at it, weakarm
Read the subject above, comment on it. It has nothing to do with Clinton.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:10 pm[…] Iraq Forced To Import Oil To Tackle ShortagesThink Progress, DC - 1 hour agoIraq has doubled the money allocated for importing oil products in August and September to tackle the country s worst fuel shortage since Saddam Hussein s … […]
August 18th, 2006 at 1:10 pm#58 - “….Bush took over, he ignored the suggestions from Clinton’s people that they should concentrate on bin Laden…..” - Comment by BluePuP
*****Dear BluePuP - Thank you for pointing out President Clintons suggestion to Bush to finish the job he so ineffectually began. I believe the Millenium Plot was thwarted by a very observant border agent - I don’t think Bill had anything to do with THAT. You and your ilk would have been up in arms had terror profiling taken place - can you hear the sensitive prog-wacks screeching at the thought?? Just like too many progs, you seem to be looking for others to come and clean up your mess….
August 18th, 2006 at 1:12 pmIsn’t it “pearls of wisdom”? Isn’t mixing metaphors a sign of emotional ranting? Just asking.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:12 pmthere we go with the persona change again
August 18th, 2006 at 1:13 pmMighty, the facts speak for themselves. The WTC was first bombed in ‘93, barely 30 days into Clinton’s two terms. No attack on American soil occured for the next 7 years. Nine months after Bush took over, the largest terrorist attack in history occured. Repubs blamed Clinton. Funny though, there is absolutely no record of anyone in the Clinton adminsitration blaming George HW Bush for the first attack. I guess that’s just one of the many differences between Repubs and Dems.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:15 pmthere we go with the persona change again
Comment by nym@alias.net
Yeah, Santo is off the meds again
August 18th, 2006 at 1:15 pmthey do seem desparate now days.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:16 pmMighty: “Just like too many progs, you seem to be looking for others to come and clean up your mess…”
Not at all. I want my party to take over congress and begin cleaning up the mess.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:16 pmWayne, there’s a feral pig rooting around in your garden. Don’t feed the pig and he’ll move on.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:17 pmWow, someone is going through a serious nervous breakdown today…
August 18th, 2006 at 1:19 pmkinda sad
August 18th, 2006 at 1:19 pmLOL!!
August 18th, 2006 at 1:23 pmThis actually would be kind of funny if it weren’t so pathetic.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:23 pm#49 Bluedog49 I am curious why are you going to sue armstrong a**? You do not know his real name.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:25 pmThank you for pointing out President Clintons suggestion to Bush to finish the job he so ineffectually began. Piddles
And thank you for unintentionally pointing out the we are in this mess because the first Bush was too cowardly to get the job done. Clinton only attempted to clean up after Bush’s Gulf War mistakes, as he did in Somalia. Your understanding of history is as laughable as your understanding of geo-politics, piddles.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:26 pmi’m just wondering - to what purpose, if any.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:27 pmNo, Mary, I think if you look again, you’ll see that he’s threatening to sue me. This is evidently because I pointed out that when you have a feral pig rooting around, you don’t want to feed it. If you don’t feed a feral pig, he’ll move to another part of the forest. Know what I mean?
August 18th, 2006 at 1:28 pmIf this one doesn’t become a TV ad before November, someone is not doing their job.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:28 pmGetting back to the thread. The Wolf told us all how the revenues from the Iraqi oil production would pay for the war. Now it’s proven to be false and that Iraq has to import to meet demand. This is all in repub. hands and it turned into a shit sandwich.
P.S. MA, Bushco had nothing to do with the latest arrests in England but he’s trying to take credit. tsk, tsk, tsk. By the way, I thought you were busy. Can’t stay away huh?
August 18th, 2006 at 1:29 pmLet’s just all sue each other….let’s see…I think I’ll sue myself for slander…LOL!
August 18th, 2006 at 1:30 pmGosh, and to think that the first thing they did after invading was send soldiers over to protect the Ministry of Oil. What happened? The “adults” were in charge.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:33 pm“Let’s just all sue each other….let’s see…I think I’ll sue myself for slander…LOL!”
Remember, they’ve got a real hair up their butts about “frivolous lawsuits.”
August 18th, 2006 at 1:35 pmThis is all in repub. hands and it turned into a shit sandwich.
Comment by hellinabucket — August 18, 2006 @
Unfortunately we must all take a bite of this turdburger. Hopefully the menu will change a little come November.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:36 pmI question I asked was for #104 Not #49 Sorry This was for Bluedog 49
August 18th, 2006 at 1:36 pmYou know what - I have ZERO patience for the inane arguments - or actually RHETORIC and rove talking points (which by the way is straight out of the NAZI HANDBOOK) that these sheeple try and use. I mean really, what’s the damn point. Let these fools follow blindly these shysters in the white house. Their credibility on the WORLD STAGE is gone. If they don’t want to be part of the solution, let them regress - when the SH*T really hits the fan, and it will, at least WE WILL BE PREPARED!
August 18th, 2006 at 1:45 pmDear Gregor how many times do i have to tell you the same thing?
Comment by amstrong — August 18, 2006 @ 1:39 pm
I believe this is the first time you address me directly to tell me anything at all.
I didn’t mention names, but I knew you’d find the shoe fits.
And don’t call me “dear”.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:46 pmWere there ANY predictions at all made by the administration which were correct? I can’t think of one thing they said which turned out to be true. Isn’t there any accountability for being so very, very wrong? I hope the accountability moment comes this November.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:48 pmYou dont think this means Wolfie lied to us do you??
August 18th, 2006 at 1:53 pmI think my days on thinkprogress are beginning to make me realize, what a waste of time. I’m tired of trying to defend the truth. I’m tired of getting frustrated at the stupid people in this country. I would much rather spend my time talking to people who want to PROGRESS, and not regress. Staying the course is CLEARLY NOT WORKING - and these idiots are so blind, so DELUSIONAL, that they don’t even realize it. Instead all they have is to DISCREDIT what WE KNOW HAS TO HAPPEN IF HUMANITY IS TO SURVIVE.
You know, if the German people ACTUALLY KNEW what HITLER’s nazi party was up to, of which THEY DID NOT - since the media was OWNED, LOCK, STOCK, AND BARREL by the nazi’s. They perfected the whole propaganda game, and it worked. If there is one good thing about the USA, is the fact we can go seek the truth from REPUTABLE SOURCES, instead of the MSM that is owned LOCK, STOCK, AND BARREL, by the lemmings. At LEAST WE HAVE THAT!
August 18th, 2006 at 1:54 pmThis is all in repub. hands and it turned into a shit sandwich.
Comment by hellinabucket
Actually it didn’t change into a feces falafel. Libs and dems could smell the sucker cooking, and tried to warn the repubs they wouldn’t like it as leftovers, but no; we instead were called names; vile slanders like “vegans,” and “tofu lovers.” At least we can make sure they don’t try slipping out the back before paying the check. If they say they want to use the restroom, check first and determine if there is a window they might jimmy, and if so, stand outside the stall.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:56 pmnever be tired of defending the truth.
it is the only thing to set us free.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:56 pmMadashell: then, respond to reasonable posters, engage like-minded people, give anyone a try and when they turn out to be a feral pig, don’t feed them. I do know how you feel, though.
August 18th, 2006 at 1:57 pmoh, how cute, my own personal troll.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:00 pmand the persona continues to change
August 18th, 2006 at 2:03 pm[…] We are IMPORTING oil INTO Iraq. Security’s so bad, the country with the world’s third largest oil reserves needs gas. And we were told all those oil riches would fund Iraq’s reconstruction - which, of course, the Bush administration has stopped funding, too. […]
August 18th, 2006 at 2:05 pm#131 Bluedog49 I also hope that accountability will come in November. Bush and his admin has broken the law to many times. They need to be accountable for what they have done.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:06 pmThe first Bush administration estimate to congress on the cost of the Iraq war was $1.6 billion, but history is irrelevant, right Mighty Aphrodite?
August 18th, 2006 at 2:06 pmYet another neo-con promise about Iraq that flamed out. Paul Wolfowitz needs to be charged with perjury for the dozens of lies he spouted off about pre and post-war Iraq.
http://www.harmoniousdissent.blogspot.com
Bush fear-mongering on illegal wiretaps
http://www.polibuzz.blogspot.com
August 18th, 2006 at 2:06 pmThe first Iowa straw poll
Mary, they are arguably the most lawless administration in history, but the challenge will be to get tangible things done for the American people as well as bring some measure of accountability. I hope they do both.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:08 pm[…] Nobody can stop neocons from gloating about the irrefutable successes of their policies. Not even a chorus of generals and other military types. Not even reality itself can stop them from learning all of the wrong lessons. […]
August 18th, 2006 at 2:10 pmSandy, do you have anything useful to add to this discussion? Just asking.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:11 pm#97
“No attack on American soil occured for the next 7 years.”
Except the U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya. That embassy was official U.S. territory FYI.
“Repubs blamed Clinton.”
Republican’s blamed Clinton for not being serious about the al Qaeda threat and international terrorism in general for eight years. I don’t blame Clinton for the first WTC attack, although anyone who doesn’t lay partial blame for 9/11 on Clinton is fool. Bush share part of the blame too, I agree.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:11 pmThis whole topic does not even suprise me - none of what they do surprises me anymore. What are we to do if the electorate in this country just don’t get it, don’t pay attention, don’t care, believe in the rapture, and are just plain nonthinkers? I hope and pray that November will go our way - because otherwise, we are doomed. In six short years…..we are getting closer and closer to oblivion, and damn, I will fight tooth and nail from keeping that from happening. Even if it means leaving my beloved country.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:12 pmOK, Tracy, you got me on a technicality. Those embassies are “american soil.” Still, you have to admit, if you ask 10 Bush supporters what they’re most proud of, all 10 will say “he’s kept us safe.” The reason I think that is silly is that by that argument, Clinton was more successful. I do agree with you that both administrations share blame, but I maintain that the record shows that the Clinton administration was much more engaged in the effort than Bush was pre-9-11. In addition, Clinton actually tried to kill bin Laden, while Bush let him off the hook. And, Tracy, let’s not forget the Republican congress’s part in all this. During the time Clinton was attempting to deal with terrorism, Repubs called it “wagging the dog” and forced him into depositions about oral sex. What did republicans in congress do to help Clinton with the war on terror?
August 18th, 2006 at 2:17 pmdon’t do it = ABU
August 18th, 2006 at 2:18 pmABU just wants your IP
August 18th, 2006 at 2:19 pmOh, that oil. I thought you meant the other oil.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:20 pmWell, there’s oil that we don’t know if it will pay for the war that’ll be over in, at most six months. Then there’s the oil that we know won’t be able to be brought to market because of the “sectarian strife”. But what about the oil that we don’t know that may or may not exist or…
Your turn Donnie.
Hell of a job!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:23 pmThey even have lost what they went after.
How are they ever going to thank the dead?
Tracy, I keep pointing out that on the day Clinton was 45 minutes late in his attempt to kill bin Laden and a bunch of terrorists with cruise missles in Afganistan, he had spent the entire morning in deposition answering questions about oral sex.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:24 pmI for one HEED this warning….
“If we do not change direction, we are likely to end up exactly where we are headed.”
Chinese proverb
August 18th, 2006 at 2:25 pm“No attack on American soil occured for the next 7 years.â€
Except the U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya. That embassy was official U.S. territory FYI.
So Tracy, when Bush and Cheney say there hasn’t been an attack on American soil since 9/11 are they lying? There have been attacks on our embassies (not just the one in Iraq), and even a ship docked in Jordan.
August 18th, 2006 at 2:37 pm#2 - “Iraq…. importing oil….That’s like Wisconsin running out of cheese. Maine importing lobster.” Drew M.
******That’s like the US importing oil with so much available…..Oh…..that’s right…prog-wacks BLOCK oil drilling AND nuclear energy…..They LOVE the environment - it’s people they HATE….
August 18th, 2006 at 2:38 pmDear Sandy -
August 18th, 2006 at 2:44 pmAnd whoooooo are youuuuuuu?
sybil
August 18th, 2006 at 2:44 pmBeing new here, I think I got it!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:49 pmTo disrupt a thread, you first come in as an antagonist, with little, if no facts (Jason M Hendler, exley, mr.big..etc)
If that doesnt work
you just hijack the thread with garbage (sandy, dr.phil, amstrong, dr.one…etc)
Pathetic!
yes, sybil
August 18th, 2006 at 2:49 pmbut the purpose is still unclear
August 18th, 2006 at 2:50 pm(Jason M Hendler, exley, mr.big, sandy, dr.phil, amstrong, dr.one = sybil
August 18th, 2006 at 2:52 pmDRxJ: yep, you’ve got it!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:53 pmAgain, if a feral pig is rooting around, don’t feed it. It will move to another part of the forest. Get it, DRxJ?
August 18th, 2006 at 2:54 pmBluedog49…Got it!
August 18th, 2006 at 2:55 pmSabotage of pipelines by insurgents, corruption and aging refineries have been blamed.
Of COURSE the US has NOTHING to do with that. NOT!
August 18th, 2006 at 3:02 pmWhat is worse is that while there are American soldiers and Iraqi civilians dying, Paul Wolfowitz gets away scot free and is named the head the World Bank. No accountability whatsoever.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:08 pmLots of hugs,kisses flowers and candy. Wolfy is so full of shit.
August 18th, 2006 at 3:51 pma hole new level
August 18th, 2006 at 4:12 pmshe must be sybil
August 18th, 2006 at 4:19 pmthat Wolfowitz is a war criminal……he is the main architect of this crime. why is he not in a Nuremburg-like tribunal?
August 18th, 2006 at 4:21 pm#166
“The reason I think that is silly is that by that argument, Clinton was more successful.”
How many terrorist attacks against U.S. interests happened after the 1993 WTC attacks on Clinton’s watch? First their was the 1993 WTC attack, then their was the 1995 attack outside the U.S. military HQ in Saudi Arabia, then the Kobar towers attack, then there was the 1998 Kenya embassy bombings and finally then there was the 2000 USS Cole bombing. I don’t think that body counts should play into this comparison, however the number of seperate attacks should.
“In addition, Clinton actually tried to kill bin Laden, while Bush let him off the hook.”
Clinton said he had no legal way to hold bin Laden after the Sudanese government offered him to the Saudis in the interm. BTW are you trying to say the Bush INTENTIONALLY let bin Laden go in the mountain’s of Tora Bora? I hope not.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:22 pm#174
I guess if he would have told the truth in the first place he wouldn’t have has to be in that oral deposition….would he?
August 18th, 2006 at 4:24 pmIf you would actually read what it says….
Note that it DOES NOT SAY IRAQ IS IMPORTING OIL!!!
It says that they are importing MORE oil PRODUCTS than they used to. They don’t have the refining capacity to handle their demands for gasoline and diesel and such. And they NEVER HAVE!
The massive construction going on in that country is certainly bumping up their demand for fuel products in addition to the shortage that they usually have.
They care about producing oil, not refining it. They are cranking out oil and reeling in big bucks for every barrel of it.
Does Alaska import oil products? Probably. Other than the fact that your shipping costs for crude oil are lower, why would you build a refinery in Alaska where you have to deal with really high prices for everything (labor, parts, heating, chemicals, etc) when you could build one on the coast in another state and just ship the fuel to Alaska?
It surprised me that so many people would have missed the fact that this is more or less a non-story and would crank out so many comments that are clearly in violation of the Terms of Use of this site.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:28 pm#176
When did Bush or Cheney say that?
August 18th, 2006 at 4:33 pmthe troll is concerned about deflecting the frame of iraq war & oil.
the only path left for the troll is an attempt to hi-jack the thread to shut down productive conversation
August 18th, 2006 at 4:42 pmI think that were exactly the US plans…or anyone still believes that democracy crap?
August 18th, 2006 at 5:10 pm#3 Shlomo; I’ve been openly hating Bush since Nov., 2000, and NO politeness.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:39 pmTracy: “Clinton said he had no legal way to hold bin Laden after the Sudanese government offered him to the Saudis in the interm. BTW are you trying to say the Bush INTENTIONALLY let bin Laden go in the mountain’s of Tora Bora?”
That pleasing right wing tale is contradicted by the 9-11 commission report. They found no evidence to prove that this happened. And, yes, the Bush administration intentionally diverted funds and military manpower away from the hunt for bin Laden in Tora Bora. In fact, they illegally diverted $700 million in funding to Iraq without congressional approval which, last time I checked, is a constitutional crime worthy of impeachment.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:39 pm#28; Republicans ARE total idiots. Even my step-father, a life-long republican from a family of life-long republicans is sooooo fed up with the GOP, that he will for the first time in his life vote democratic.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:43 pm“Thank goodness our friends and allies did not desert us during our civil war.”-comment by Mighty Aphrodite-August 3, 2006 @3:22 pm.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:58 pmNOTE: Post # 244 has been falsely attributed to me. I did NOT write that posting. Someone has misrepresented himself or herself and posted material under my name. This “copy cat†poster has also submitted this same distraibe under my screen name on other threads — all tnonight at apporoximately 8:33 pm. I would ask that the managers of “ThinkProgress.org†remove those postings or, at the very least, remove my name from them. When I registered on this site and created a screen name for myself, I provided my e-mail address, thus, the identification of the impostor should be readily ascertainable. Thank you.
August 18th, 2006 at 10:32 pmYep, brilliant observation by Wolfie. NOW President of the World Bank. One more (and powerful) way of working toward American hegemony and total dominance in the world.
August 19th, 2006 at 10:47 amReading all the comments on this page gives one the impression that what is going on in Iraq is taken quite light-heartedly and just talk, talk and talk - I guess that so long as it’s happening across the oceans, it’s not our problem, really. DO something about it. Further up, someone said that if Bush continues with this, the Iraqis may soon need to import sand. Looking at the way things are going, if Americans continue to take what’s going on in the world so lightly, it may soon be necessary to import brains to the U.S. because these seem to be lacking.
August 19th, 2006 at 11:45 amThey couldn’t even get a grilled cheese sandwich right without turning it to charcoal.
August 19th, 2006 at 12:27 pmIt surprised me that so many people would have missed the fact that this is more or less a non-story and would crank out so many comments that are clearly in violation of the Terms of Use of this site.
Comment by Marty — August 18, 2006 @ 4:28 pm
I guess you’re right Marty, but to be honest, I never throrougly read the Terms of Use myself. This one caught my attention…and I’m thus left wondering….what is the purpose of this (or any other) blog?
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August 19th, 2006 at 8:39 pmWhoa. Miss a few days, and a new whacko shows up. Who/what is this Armstrong/Sandy with the 3 second attention span and the ample supply of crystal-meth? Holy crap, Out of 251 messages here, I’d say about 130 of them are Armstrong/Sandy. This isn’t a discussion, it’s an example of someone’s delusions having too much power of them.
August 20th, 2006 at 2:26 am#135
“They found no evidence to prove that this happened.”
That is false.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/ staff_statements/ staff_statement_5.pdf
“Sudan did offer to expel Bin Ladin to Saudi Arabia and asked the Saudis to pardon him.”
“Yet both Berger and Clarke also said the lack of an indictment made no difference.
Instead they said the idea was not worth pursuing because there was no chance that
Sudan would ever turn Bin Ladin over to a hostile country. If Sudan had been serious,
Clarke said, the United States would have worked something out.”
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/ Web%20Pages/ HERALD%20TRIBUNE_Sudan%20Offered%20to%20Arrest%20Bin%20Laden%20in%20‘96.htm
August 22nd, 2006 at 3:55 pm[…] My attention was draw with coverage of topics like the media’s bread and circus obsession with the JonBenet Ramsey case(and disregard of current realities like the NSA ruling), the regressions in Oil production with Iraq, or why some think tanks think we should just start ignoring global warming. […]
August 25th, 2006 at 6:43 amIt’s not oil, it’s oil products they are short on.
Iraq exports crude oil, they only have refining capacity for 700,000 bpd, which seems to be running at only half capacity.
http://www.denverpost.com/energy/ci_4602008
CIA estimates (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html#Econ) they consume 351,500 bpd, which should be about the half capacity rate stated above. Therefore they should be near balence.
The money our friend wolfie is talking about is from the export of crude, which, again using CIA numbers, is about 2 million bpd.
now for math
2 million barrels minus 350,000 consumed domestically
= 1,650,000 barrels per day being exported
1.65 million bpd * 61$ US / barrel = 100.65 million US$ per day
Try thinking in terms of apples.
Wolfie says that Iraq can export the many apples that grow there.
The second article points out that there is a shortage in apple sauce, apple jus, and fruit roll ups.
Neither comments on the factories needed to make apple sauce, apple jus, or fruit roll ups.
November 29th, 2006 at 2:24 pm